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The Macabees

09-01-2006, 19:48

To: McKagan
Welcome back to Kriegzimmer. The two orders have been fully read over and subsequently confirmed. All manufacturing information on the Hali-42 assault rifle will be transferred by hand to the Imperial McKagan Army Center, in Kurora. The second order for thirty thousand Arca. I Ausfva. A Cougar MBTs has also been confirmed, and the emergency has been acknowledged. The fastest these will be sent to you is two thousand per month, which quite a lot; meaning, the entire order should take fifteen months. We can attempt to alot more manhours to the production of tanks, which may bring total production only for McKagan to three thousand per month, meaning the order will be finished in ten months, or just under a year. Hopefully that is a good timeschedule.

[signed]Kriegzimmer Board

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To: General Jared Ka-Wing Lau, Chief of the Army, Southeastasia
We're glad that you consider the Praetorian II a worthy design to test; originally, we were suprised that one of the first purchasers of the design was Automagfreek. But this humbles us just as well. Nevertheless, the two hundred Praetorian IIs should be at your ports within the month, making for a very speedy delivery. We hope to hear from you concerning how the tests went. Thank you.

[signed]Kriegzimmer Board

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To: The Conspiracy of Defence, Communist Revolution
First, we will take care of the order, which has been confirmed. The one million Hali-42s will be delivered within two months, with the Praetorians arriving within about thirty-six months, and the Azores within sixty months [using fluid time, you can RP them arriving at anytime, however]. Along with this order, on request, Kriegzimmer will dispatch a team of three hundred trainers for the full training a select few individuals of your military, which will then turn around and train the rest of your military in some sort of pyramid effect.

On the matter of tanks; by all acounts, the Cougar, a Kriegzimmer design, is all in all much superior to the Lame Bums designed Ferne main battle tank; in fact, we pride ourselves in the fact that the Cougar is one of the world's best and most practical tank designs. As for the Wolverine; deployed with the Waffen-SS in the First Battle of Mons Dei it preformed spectacularly against rebel armour, which outnumbered them by much. For a light tank, it certainly is a good design.

If you have any more questions, feel free to ask. That is why we're here.

[signed]Kriegzimmer Board

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[The Thirteen Tribes: I'll answer this in an OOC fashion. I can up the number of men that can be carried to fifteen, that should be no problem. As for point #2; what is your view of a heavy machinegun? I don't think I specified the calibre, but is 12.7mm heavy enough? If it was to be turned into a chaingun, it wouldn't be manned - too much recoil, which means it would have to be mounted under the helicopter, which would look weird, and it would have to be commanded through a man on a computer - nominally, the pilot. I think it would be much more accurate if you were to mount a 12.7mm machinegun on either door, controlled by the machinegunners of the squad you're transporting on the choppers. I would have to think about mounting rockets, and a fire and forget missile might be too large to employ in any significant numbers; you can certainly employ dumb rockets, though, which in essence are unguided fire and forget type ordnance, although more with saturation in mind, as opposed to accurate suppression. I guess the XKh-13 already has stub pylons, so you can mount one or two rotating rocket launchers on either side of the helicopter, adding firepower. In the end, I would have to extend the length by perhaps a meter.

As for protection against RPGs; I dunno. I think your best bet is evasion. I need to look up how heavy MEXAS is protracted to be, and if it's not too heavy that should provide ample defense verse heat. But even the kinetic energy of the impact, produced by the momentum of the moving rocket, would cause the helicopter to shudder, meaning it might destabilize in flight. Carrying an APC or two, that can pose a problem, even if the jet of molten copper doesn't exactly penetrate the helicopter. So, I'm not sure if a lot of armour should be priority on either design - as opposed to mobility and velocity.

As for the APC; will do. Any exact number of men you wanted it to carry? I think I might have asked this before, but it's better to be safe than sorry.]

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To:Skibereenian Private Corporation FallCorp Inc,
The price offered is more than resonable, and so the manufacturing rights and engineering rights to the GLI-76 will be sent for the price stated; the plans will be delivered by hand to your embassy location within Fedala, to avoid any misgivings. As per the royalties, if we understood correctly, there is no need for such - Kriegzimmer operates on one time deals to avoid any 'binding agreements' which could turn into serious credit problems later. Therefore, assume the forty billion to be the final payment in the matter. Thank you for the business; we're sure you will enjoy the GLI-76, as well as anything that concludes from the reverse engineering [assuming that you will use parts of it for your own designs].

[signed]Kriegzimmer Board

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[Corzia: Well, what I was sayin to The Thirt. Tribes; anything with that much firepower and then troop capacity above that, will be huge; meaning it will paint such a huge target that in the end you have to ask yourself, is it worth it? ]

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To: Toast Army
Very well; the rights to the Hali-42 have been given for the price stated. The manufacturing plans will be delivered by hand to your general staff building in your country. Thank you for your business.

[signed]Kriegzimmer Board

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[Hailandkill: On Kriegzimmer? The Cartagena, since it's a SSN.]

The Thirteen Tribes

10-01-2006, 05:31

OOC:
12.7 Cal sounds great. Actually I was thinking of the 14.5 mm round fired by the old Russion KPV, because I was also thinking of asking you to try to mount four of them on the APC as an anti-personnel, aircraft, and light vehicle platform, or otherwise as a turret gun, manned by the APC commander.

When I said "fire and forget," I did mean dumb rockets for saturation effect. The infantry squads would be carrying the "Lassen" assault shotgun and powerful Sub-Machine Guns such as the FN P90 and the Saab-Bofors CBJ, going for massive firepower over long-range hitting power.

For the Cargo 'Copter, Heavy Armor is a priority. The theory here is that for every one of the APC's dropped 3 light attack transport heli's will be surrounding it and slightly ahead of it, to establish at least a moderately secure perimeter so the APC doesn't get blown out of the sky before it has a chance to land and crew up. Question....Does the cargo ship have the capacity to carry the APC's crew in it? It seems to me that making the ship big enough to carry an APC and the crew would make it bulky to the point of being a bit short of flying target practice, but it's your design.

Also out of character, the Thirteen tribes are trying to get involved in the Earth Six RP, where you are involved. I was wondering what the response would be from Kreigzimmer to an overture from the Thirteen Tribes Confederate Government asking for advisors from the Golden Throne and Kreigzimmer to revamp the Thirteen Tribes JMC and make it mobile, hard hitting, and efficient. As it stand now, the JMC is barely adequate to keep the bickering tribes in line, seeing as the Confederacy can't institute a draft except during war-time, a restriction that does not apply to the individual tribes, who each keep a well supplied Tribal Guard force not responsible to the Confederacy and some of the Tribes resent having to treat long-time rivals as equals and country men.

Thanks.

Southeastasia

10-01-2006, 10:16

OOC: Actually Mac, it's supposed to be 'Southeast Asia', but because someone else took it before, I was forced to pick this name instead. Nevertheless, I prefer to be called 'Southeast Asia' ICly and OOCly, as it's the original name I wanted and my nation really is a federal republic consisting of all the RL nations in the region of Southeast Asia.

The Macabees

11-01-2006, 02:04

XKh-74 Cargo Helicopter
Description: The XKh-74 is designed for very heavy lift capabilities, able to ferry even light armoured vehicles if necessary. It was designed by Kriegzimmer for The Thirteen Tribes upon request, and easy to say it preforms quite advance capabilities. The XKh-74 can also be modified to carry heavy bomb loads for tactical bombardment, although it's primary mission will solely be cargo capabilities.
Main Rotor: Six Bladed Titanium-Aluminum Construction.
Tail Rotor: Four bladed; heavy contruction.
Engines: Two Lu-344-C High Bypass Turbofans.
Total Thrust: 26,000 lbf.
Total Weight Capabilities: 35 Tons
Length: 27.4 meters.
Height: 8.2 meters.
Ceiling: 9,000 meters.
Airframe: Armoured to protect against small arms fire, with a 18mm modular cover of MEXAS for CE munitions.
Procurement Cost: 16 million

XKh-13 Multi-Role Cargo Helicopter
Description: The XKh-13 is a personnel transport helicopter that doubles as an airborne attack helicopter, making use of a versatile weapon load to support the men it drops after the drop, making it as a perfect close air support aircraft. It was designed by Kriegzimmer for The Thirteen Tribes to fulfill this role and initial testing gave it a very positive outlook.
Main Rotor: Six Bladed Titanium-Aluminum Construction.
Tail Rotor: Four bladed; heavy contruction.
Engines: Two 16,000shp turboshafts
Troop Space: 15
Armaments:
Nose mounted 14.5mm heavy machinegun
Side door mounted 14.5mm heavy machinegun
Dual stub mounted thirty rocket pod launcher
Length: 18.3m
Height: 7.9m
Ceiling: 300m
Airframe: Armoured to protect against small arms, with minor stub pylons for greater manuevering.
Procurement Cost: 12 Million

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I made the edits; I added MEXAS to the cargo helicopter, and all what was needed on the personnel/APC helicopter. I did not make provisions to fit the crew in the helicopter, but you could certainly keep them in the APC; the flight will not be that long, and the crew will most likely be used to such long term internments inside the cabin of the ACP - knowning the nature of NS combat. The APC, again, will be put up later...because I'm a lazy ass like that.

As for Earth 6 - I don't really stop by there anymore. And, knowing how lazy I am, I wouldn't suggest putting that much on my platter. :p

The Silver Sky

11-01-2006, 02:14

The Silver Sky wants to buy production rights to the XKh-74 Cargo Helicopter, please inform us if prodction rights are for sale and state a price.

The Macabees

11-01-2006, 02:15

That would be entirely up to The Thirteen Tribes.

The Thirteen Tribes

11-01-2006, 02:35

TO: Kreigzimmer Board

FROM: Confederacy Joint Military Command

SUBJECT: Upon revision, the two helicopter designs meet our needs admirably. If the amount is agreeable, 400 million will be wired to kriegzimmer as compensation for design costs and production rights to both helicopters.

We are very much indebted to Kriegzimmer and look forward to doing business with you in the future

OOC: expect a large naval order coming in soon. I'm an Island in Earth 6 and have no navy to speak of.

Sincerely,

Blinding Spear
Chief of Staff
Thirteen Tribes Confederate JMC

The Thirteen Tribes

11-01-2006, 02:41

TO: Silver Sky Government

FROM: Confederacy Joint Military Command, Confederacy of the Thirteen Tribes

SUBJECT: Your government has inquired as to production rights for the Xkh-74 helicopter. Production rights of the Xkh-74 as is may be had for $300 million US.

Sincerely,

Swift Wind
Major, Procurement Dept.
Confederacy Joint Military Command

Corzia

11-01-2006, 04:20

To: Kreigzimmer/Thirteen Tribes Military Command

The United Armed Forces of the Allied States of Corzia (UAF) would like the production rights tothe XKh-74, XKh-13 and TTS-21 Mk. II "Lassen" we will pay 600 500 000 USD for all of them.

Greatest Regards,
~Corzia

Amestria

11-01-2006, 05:55

The State of Amestria, North Coast

Lieutenant General Maria Deraismes gazed through her binoculars at the squadrons of remote controlled planes as they approached the Amestrian coast. Those planes had been launched from an Amestrian Carrier. They had limited maneuverability and would be useless in combat, but one had to test ones air defenses with something besides computer simulations and combat readiness drills.

“Major General!”

“Yes Lieutenant General?!”

“Fire!”

The Praetorian II Mobile Surface to Air Missile Launcher system emplaced along the coast fired 100 surface to air missiles. The remote controlled planes sensed the incoming missiles and attempted evasive action while releasing all their counter measures. It was no use; all the remote planes were annihilated.

Lieutenant General Maria Deraismes smiled. “These Praetorian II’s are superior to are current surface-to-air missile launchers… Major General, notify the Ministry of Defense and the Central Command that I recommend acquiring additional units.

“Yes Lieutenant General!”

{1024 Bit Encryption}

To:Basque Gran, Supreme Commander of the Amestrian Occupation Authority
Indeed, it can be airlifted from the colonies, but it will require rougly around ten million more United States Dollars. To put it bluntly, each of our modified Archimede Lever's can only carry so much, so it will require quite a bit of airtime, as well as an additional two weeks to make all the flights. In the end, the equipment will make it, but for further use we really suggest that the AOA put money into the construction of at least temporary ports in Torontio to ease the flow of supplies. Nonetheless, Kriegzimmer is here to bend around the client's wishes, so we will do as much as is needed.

[signed]Kriegzimmer Board

Secret Message from the Amestrian Ministry of Defense and the Amestrian Militaries Central Command
Subject: Alteration of Order

Torontia is no longer under Amestrian Occupation so there is no longer any need to ship the AOA’s order there, nor do the weapon systems have to be flown in. Our order still stands and we would like the Praetorian II’s shipped to Amestria.

The Amestrian Military has been highly impressed with the performance of the Praetorian II Mobile Surface to Air Missile Launcher. We wish to expand are previous order from 200 Praetorian II Mobile Surface to Air Missile Launchers to 10,000 Praetorian II Mobile Surface to Air Missile Launchers. We assure you that the Amestrian State can pay cash up front. We also wish to hire the services of Kriegzimmer engineers to assist in the installation of the weapons as a permanent defense system integrated with Amestria’s existing Air Defense Grid.

[signed]
Minister of Defense Pierre Gagnaire
Senior General of the Armies Aaron Bradley

Southeastasia

12-01-2006, 10:15

OOC: TM, why were they (the Kriegzimmer Board) surprised? Because the Freeks produce all of their equipment domestically (it's just my guess)?

The Thirteen Tribes

12-01-2006, 15:11

TO: The Government of Corzia

FROM: Thirteen Tribes Confederacy Joint Military Command

SUBJECT: As to your inquiry regarding production rights to the TTS-21 "Lassen" and our two most recent helicopter designs, your price of 600,500,000.00 USD is quite agreeable. Blueprints will be delivered to a location of your choice within the week, money to be wired upon receipt of the blueprints. The TTS-21 has served Confederate soldiers very well, and the helicopter designs look extremely promising. We hope that you find the weapons systems useful.

Sincerely,

Wise Owl
Major, Procurement Corps
Thirteen Tribes JMC

The Thirteen Tribes

12-01-2006, 15:12

Southeastasia

13-01-2006, 13:12

*bump*

Angelonisia

13-01-2006, 15:02

After a long time of using the same asault rifle angelonisia has decided to encorporate you hali-42 AR and want to purchase the production rights for 3.6 mil $.money will be wired upon confirmation

Communist Revolution

13-01-2006, 17:24

To: Kriegzimmer Board
From: The Conspiracy of Defence
Subject: Tanks

The Conspirators have made a decision about the tanks.

Forty thousand Cougars - $480 billion
Eighty thousand Wolverines - $280 billion
Fifty thousand Prae. II SAMs - $85 billion

Total Cost: $845 billion

The Conspiracy also has a requirement for a highspeed, infantry fighting vehicle-armoured personnel carrier combination. We would like to begin a joint project with Kriegzimmer for this product.

[signed]
John Axeworthy
Chief Conspirator
Conspiracy of Defence

The Macabees

14-01-2006, 03:47

Secret Message from the Amestrian Ministry of Defense and the Amestrian Militaries Central Command
Subject: Alteration of Order

Torontia is no longer under Amestrian Occupation so there is no longer any need to ship the AOA’s order there, nor do the weapon systems have to be flown in. Our order still stands and we would like the Praetorian II’s shipped to Amestria.

The Amestrian Military has been highly impressed with the performance of the Praetorian II Mobile Surface to Air Missile Launcher. We wish to expand are previous order from 200 Praetorian II Mobile Surface to Air Missile Launchers to 10,000 Praetorian II Mobile Surface to Air Missile Launchers. We assure you that the Amestrian State can pay cash up front. We also wish to hire the services of Kriegzimmer engineers to assist in the installation of the weapons as a permanent defense system integrated with Amestria’s existing Air Defense Grid.

To: Aaron Bradely, Senior General of the Armies, Amestria
The order will be rerouted to Amestria's home ports, as required, while the expansion will be completed in batches of a thousand per month, and so will be completed over a time span of ten months, and sent in maritime convoys accordingly in one month batches as well. We're glad that you found the Praetorian II to be capable enough to enter the services of your military. Just as well, we are doubly glad that a peaceful solution was found to the Torontian conflict.

As for the permenent defense system, we do not suggest the Praetorian II, since the Praetorian II is meant to be a mechanized weapon to move with mechanized, or at least moving, armies. The best for a permanent defensive solution is to build a series of fixed surface to air missile batteries and equip them with the P.746.A surface to air missile, which you can purchase in our P.746.X package [linked under groud mechanization, I believe]. If you wish, Kriegzimmer engineers can still aid you in that venture.

Thank you for your continued interest in Kriegzimmer products; it is greatly appreciated.

[signed]Kriegzimmer Board

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Southeastasia: Because I wouldn't have expected AutoMagFreek buying something from me. Especially me; especially after the NATO/RWC debacle, which basically turned into a flamefest in late November - saved by me breaking my arm and then restarting my history in January.

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To: Angelonisia
The production rights for the Hali-42 have been confirmed. You made a mistake in the order; the price is 3.2 million, as opposed to 3.6 million, and so it will be sold for 3.2 million, saving four hundred thousand USD. The manufacturing prints will be sent to your government immediately. Thank you for the order.

[signed]Kriegzimmer Board

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To: Communist Revolution
That is a large order, but confirmed nonetheless; Kriegzimmer can set up a payment policy to ease the payment, if you would like. Regardless, the forty thousand Cougars will be sent in batches of two thousand a month, from two different factory sites, meaning the full order of Cougars will arrive in twenty months. The Wolverines will be sent in batches of four thousand, meaning they too will finish in twenty months. The Praetorian IIs will come in batches of two thousand five hundred, meaning the entire order will be completed, just as well, in twenty months. Thank you for the order.

As for the APC, before we promise anything, we are soon to be releasing a new APC; perhaps that will pall your tastes. Nonetheless, we will have to get back to you. [OOC: I'm a lazy git; don't count on it - look how long it's taking me to get up the APC for The Thir. Tribes].

[signed]Kriegzimmer Board

Southeastasia

14-01-2006, 03:58

OOC: Ah that's why. And while you take friggin' ages to get custom designs completed, are you free now?

The Macabees

14-01-2006, 04:10

[OOC: Nope, I still have to finish the APC for Thirteen Tribes. :p ]

Southeastasia

14-01-2006, 04:28

[OOC: Nope, I still have to finish the APC for Thirteen Tribes. :p ]
[OOC: LOL! Hehe, that's ok, I can wait. BTW, check out the IADF boards....I made a new thread.]

Amestria

14-01-2006, 04:37

To: Aaron Bradely, Senior General of the Armies, Amestria
The order will be rerouted to Amestria's home ports, as required, while the expansion will be completed in batches of a thousand per month, and so will be completed over a time span of ten months, and sent in maritime convoys accordingly in one month batches as well. We're glad that you found the Praetorian II to be capable enough to enter the services of your military. Just as well, we are doubly glad that a peaceful solution was found to the Torontian conflict.

As for the permenent defense system, we do not suggest the Praetorian II, since the Praetorian II is meant to be a mechanized weapon to move with mechanized, or at least moving, armies. The best for a permanent defensive solution is to build a series of fixed surface to air missile batteries and equip them with the P.746.A surface to air missile, which you can purchase in our P.746.X package [linked under groud mechanization, I believe]. If you wish, Kriegzimmer engineers can still aid you in that venture.

Thank you for your continued interest in Kriegzimmer products; it is greatly appreciated.

[signed]Kriegzimmer Board

Secret Message from the Amestrian Ministry of Defense and the Amestrian Militaries Central Command

The best for a permanent defensive solution is to build a series of fixed surface to air missile batteries and equip them with the P.746.A surface to air missile, which you can purchase in our P.746.X package. If you wish, Kriegzimmer engineers can still aid you in that venture.

How much would the construction of 20,000 surface-to-air missile batteries employing the P.746.A surface-to-air missile cost? What would be the monetary expense of Amestria's Military receiving assistance from Kriegzimmer engineers in the aforementioned expansion of Amestria's Air Defense Grid?

[signed]
Minister of Defense Pierre Gagnaire
Senior General of the Armies Aaron Bradley

Southeastasia

14-01-2006, 10:11

OOC: So, the NATO-RWC conflict ended up with your IC and OOC issues blending together? And what do you mean by you had to restart your history?

The Macabees

14-01-2006, 18:07

The Macabees

14-01-2006, 20:40

[OOC: W00t, a new, but just as crappy, banner for Kriegzimmer! Maybe I'll take some time at it later on, but for now the crappy one. Yay!]

Southeastasia

15-01-2006, 13:54

TO: Board of Kriegzimmer Arms Industries
FROM: USNSEA Ministry of Defense
RE: Feedback
For easy reference to all those that read this message, dark green is for Kriegzimmer and dark blue is our writing (the Southeast Asian Defense Ministry!).

[Kriegzimmer Customer Feedback Form]

What did you like about Kriegzimmer?
In general, we officials at the Ministry of Defense of Southeast Asia are impressed by your designers' fine weapons: assault rifles, armor, warships and in particular, your aircraft. You may have noticed, board members, that we have only purchased forty units of your Lu-25 "Black Mariah" SVTOL Aircraft for testing purposes and two hundred units of your Praetorian II Mobile Surface-to-Air-Missile Launchers for the aforementioned reason. And the reason, in case you were wondering why, is because we have filled several arms contracts with other corporations like DMG Military Industries and Aequatian Military Industries. The Dominion and the United Sovereign Nations have a close relationship, and since we didn't want to sever economic ties which would in turn generate political consequences, we still purchase from just-as-self-made-as-you-big-businessmen-at-Kriegzimmer-are-trillionaire Mar'ki Ticron, Chief Executive Officer of DMG Military Industries and Aequatian Military Industries for the same reason.

How do you think Kriegzimmer could improve?
Well, there are a variety of ways. For us, they are:

Emperor Fedor I increasing friendly relations with the Dominion so that in case we decide to turn to other arms contractors, the political magnitude won't be as great.
If relations become so great that you two decide for a joint-project, please make it an air superiority fighter...we would like to see the Dominion's F-90 Guardian Angel and the Golden Throne's Lu-45 Hawk in a friendly war simulation.
Increase research on the naval department....while several designs like your Zealous-class Super Dreadnaught would impress Admiral Tucker of Portland Iron Works, we feel that it could be improved by doing more naval projects.
Increase the amount of custom designs you can do.
And last, but not least, think of the social effects Absolute Capitalism would have in the long run.

What other products, or line of products, do you think Kriegzimmer could design to increase the number of clients?
Well, other than naval and air designs as we informed you about in the aforementioned questions, none really.

Your Name: [Name of your national leader, and his position - emperor, president, etc.]
Minister Nettleton is normally the person that personally fills out these messages to arms corporations, but as he is in Saint Fedski to attend a conference regarding the Saint Fedskian domestic and supranational policies, it is us that is filling it out for him. We know what he would say, as he has told us to draft this before he went off. And we prefer to remain anonymous.

Anything else you would like to say?
Not applicable.

Thank you for taking the time to fill out this form. We truly appreciate it.

The Exodians

15-01-2006, 15:35

OOC: Does Kriegzimmer still do the designing of armies? Something like that would save me a lot of time, and naturally I'd pay you extra for the 'paperworks' ;) I'll await the answer before saying something IC :OOC

The Macabees

15-01-2006, 20:36

[OOC: SEA, thanks for the form; I'll do my best to change a few things, and maybe get done with some naval designs post-haste. But, alas, AbsoCap will prevail - social effects are inconsequential to big business, and are protected only through the demand of the worker (since NS is too big for real outsourcing, it works to an extent). But yea, more naval designs, certainly.

Exodians: No, because I'm extremely lazy. I can't even do a damn simple APC on time.]

The Macabees

15-01-2006, 20:47

Arica. I 'Shalmaneser' Heavy Armoured Personnel Carrier
[A Joint Mekugian-Macabee Design]

Variants [SEoTG Terminology]:
Ausfva. A: Shalmaneser
Ausfva. B: APV-30 Jaguar

http://img75.imageshack.us/img75/2549/shalmanesar6uk.png
Mekugi, once again!

Abstract:
The project found its beginnings in 2013, three years prior to the War of Golden Succession, in the form of minor dabblings into the realm of armoured personnel carriers and such by a team of Kriegzimmer engineers and Mekugian mechanics. Through then and 2015, the 'project' designed and introduced a series of theoritical possibilities for a replacement to the SOV-6 Infantry Fighting Vehicle that had been outclassed since its introduction, since the original intent of the vehicle was as a heavy siege vehicle for national special weapons and tactics forces. However, no design was truly capable enough to be considered a practical replacement, and no design that could be considered a replacement was within the restrictions of Mekugian design aesthetics, meaning by the end of 2015 the two nations had still failed to progress further in the design of a new armoured personnel carrier. Fortunately, in early 2016 all viable solutions were merged into a single design, and after undergoing three months of intense 'runs through the gauntlet', and a final two months of pure testing, ending in another month of final theoritics, the first proper prototype of the end product rolled off the line on 23 September, 2016, and the consequent Shalmaneser began mass production on 1 October.

The name Shalmaneser stems from the namesake of the Assyrian king Shalmaneser II. Heir to a kingdom plagued by a rebellion led by Shattuara II of Hanigalbat, he hammered the Mitanni rebellion, and their Hittite allies, and then claimed to blind fourteen thousand men. In his lifetime and according to the tablets, he laid waste to nine fortresses and one hundred eighty cities. Like its namesake king, the Shalmanesar Armoured Personnel Carrier provides a well formed fist on the battlefield.

The design offers a blend between the infantry fighting vehicle and the armoured personnel vehicle, keeping the latter's high personnel carrying capacities, and offering the former's firepower - to a certain extent. The Shalmaneser was never designed to stand up to heavier armoured designs, but it could most certainly hold its own against an enemy armoured personnel carrier or even an infantry fighting vehicle, providing the infantry within it a safe ferry to the battlefield, and allowing for simpler mechanization, especially in the form of logistics. The justification for the latter being, the Ejermacht, or foreign equivalents, does not need to field two or more designs for different roles when it can field the Shalmaneser, regardless of its lesser qualities in specific areas. Nonetheless, this does not mean the Ejermacht was looked into different variants. Nonetheless, users of the design have returned with very positive feedback to Kriegzimmer.

The Shalmanesar saw its first combat in the War of Golden Succession in October 2016 against Havenite [SafeHaven2] forces in northern Haven and southern Ruska. It made its debut in combat in the Battle of Ishme-Dagan, one of the largest tank battles in history, with over fifteen thousand armoured vehicles participating in the slaughter, both Mekugian and Macabee. The Shalmanesar failed to preform well, simply due to the high cocentration of heavier armour, and did even worse in situations in which the battle was 'layered', and confused. Nonetheless, in infantry only portions of the battle it did splendidly, marking its success in the situations it was originally built for. In the end, it's suspected that the Arica I will mirror the lifespan of what it's replacing, the SOV-6, and perhaps extend to even more than that.

Armament:
Both the Macabee and Mekugian version of the vehicle equip a 35mm chaingun as the primary armament, feeding off four modular ammunition bins within and under the turret. The gun features a dilutable coolant, first introduced by Shell for manufacturing purposes, which enables the chaingun an outstanding rate of eight hundred rounds per minute, although there are little viable reasons why the gunner would reach such a rate. Nevertheless, if the gun's ammunition is swapped for minor depleted uranium sabots [albeit, with a smaller storage number], it is said that it can penetrate the top armour of light and medium tanks if enough rounds are expended accurately on the side, rear or top armour. This failed to be proven at Ishme-Dagan, but there was not a very large contingent of armour that fitted the requires of being medium or light, which may attribute to the fact. Regardless, the Arica I is certainly not undergunned in any way, shape, or form.

Sometimes, the Mekugian field version can be seen with a larger turret and a 40mm ACP cannon. The export and Ausfva. A versions, however, remain with the 35mm chaingun as their primary armament.

Secondary armament manifests itself in the form of two machineguns mounts, crewed by the personnel of a squad riding in the back, fitted into two advance firing ports. The Advanced Firing Ports (AFP’s) are built into the armored hide of the Shalmanesar. The traverse and elevation are somewhat limited, but only just slightly allowing for a wide defensive fire arc to be laid down for debussing and in transit units. The AFP’s true ‘advanced’ feature is the addition of a spent round collector, which unlike the brass bags used by other countries spent rounds are collect and transferred out of the port to a exit point below the vehicle allowing for uninterrupted fining without covering the floor (and surrounding infantry) with hot brass. An integral ventilation system draws away any additional gasses from the gun preventing a ‘smoke-up’ of the fighting compartment, and keeping the weapon cooler without adding a complex system, or forcing changes to be made to the gun itself.

The gun ports can be opened to narrow or large size to accommodate different gun sizes, so that fragmentation cannot enter the cabin via the gun ports. The rotating gun port doors are lockable to prevent opening or enlarging the aperture from outside. The gun is aligned using a small clip which holds it in a pintle mount, offering very good handle on the design. Vertical stabilization and recoil attenuation as can be found on many vehicle mounted weapons allow for comfortable and accurate firing while on the move, yet allows for the weapon to be quickly removed for field use without comprising the systems capabilities in or out of the vehicle.

Additional secondary armaments include the VAPS system on the non-export version meant exclusively for the Empire and Mekugi, or a multi-barreled grenade launcher in its place - both offering an excellent fire suppression device for nearby infantry and trenchlines. Finally, the Shalmanesar has two anti-tank guided missiles in a launcher on the right side of the turret of the main gun, offering another possible solution against heavier armour designs, such as main battle tanks.

Armour:
The lower layer of the armour is formed of a 300mm plate of ceramic armour, which is fully modular and made out of light ceramics and alloys. This offers the design an excellent defense against high velocity impacts from kinetic energy weapons, including armour piercing fin stabilized discarding sabots. The armour is considerably lighter than its counterpart used on the Leopard A6, and variant E [Spain's self designed variant of the Leopard A6], but it also offers lesser protection against KE threats; nonetheless, the version featured on the Arica I provides enough to protect against anything save a main battle tank and some high velocity medium tank guns. This is layered with a soft insulation on the top to avoid cracking and stress due to the expansion of the top layer.

This top layer is formed of either modular expandable armour system, or an enhanced appliqué armour kit, depending on the customer and weight prerequisites. Although the MEXAS offers greater ratings, the EAAK is also much, much lighter - each offers its own distinct advantages. Regardless of which used, the entire armour system offers very fine protection against both kinetic energy threads and chemical energy threats, making it viable for the vehicle to complete the tasks it was designed for.

Optionally, sometimes witnessed on Mekugian tanks, the MEXAS is covered by an anti-spalling layer which is capped off by a minor ceramic appliqué, which offers minor protection against chemical energy threats. On top of this, hexagons of captive explosive reactive armour are placed on slats, making the CERA largely appliqué as well. Other times, the CERA replaces the MEXAS altogether. The exact composition of the Ausfva. B remains classified within the Mekugian military.

Engine:
The Shalmanesar is powered by the Q-300-J, although the Mekugian design might employ it's own engine for preference and logistical purposes. Nonetheless, it's safe to say that the Shalmanesar relies on one thousand two hundred break horsepower, meaning, what is not lost on ignition and through the propulsion of the shaft. The outer encasement is made out of a tough, but flexible, titanium based superalloy, while several turbine components are manufactured out of ceramic. The engine has three major subcomponents throughout the Arica I, including a 200v battery in the turret, and two 125v batteries in the back. And of course, all ot her minor subcomponents. Although the engine is rather large for the weight, especially considering that the Shalmanesar does not feel the requirement of ultramodern MBTs in having overly large engines to allow for greater velocities, the engine does serve the purpose to deal with crew accomodations, specified below.

The transmission offers a dual stick, group and gear, transmission with a total of twenty-four gears, including three groups and six foward gears and two rear gears. The drivetrain is fully electromagnetic, allowing for almost a greater conservation of energy, which in turn maximizes the effeciency of the engine. The drivetrain was also featured in the Arca. I Cougar.

Rear Accomodations:
The personnel being ferried by the APC are amongst the most important parts of the APC. For them the Shalmanesar and other variants boast of a very well designed accomodation system to best serve the cabin. In fact, in testing and in combat personnel carried often claim that the best ride they've had was on the Arica. For one, seating is divided by a series of cushioned 'chairs' whie lie on the floor to take as little space as possible, providing comfortable seating. The seats are springed for bumps, and avoid having the men in the back jolt around, while they also have reduced pitch input, allowing them to absorb shock. The two machinegunners are not seated, and instead are harnessed into place to avoid rabid moving, and two kneepads cushioned for them to kneel on, as well as a foward footpad in both cases for the soldier to rest a leg, if need be. The ground is reinforced, allowing soldiers to point their guns down so that if a rifle is accidently fired it will penetrate the bottom armour and stay there without fear of the shot ricocheting. The APC is air conditioned both for the crew and what is being carried, while there is a temporary water dispeser so that soldiers need not use the little water they carry for missions.

Although many believe all of this luxury as just that, and extraneous, it has been tested before that better preforming soldiers are those that are more relaxed before entering combat. History in design has proved it; in fact, one of the faults attributed to early Soviet armoured design was crew conditions, especially crampness, which reduced lethality of Soviet armour. Although not necessarilly within the same context, the same can be said for the soldier within the APC. Not only that, but the 'luxury' comes at relatively little cost, as opposed to the huge cost of the armour, turret and armament. Therefore, it is just a minor way to pay soldiers for the duties they have done.

For this, the Shalmaneser has been called the 'Cruise Liner' by many Macabee soldiers, on the field. Automobile magazines have also awarded it as the most confortable all terrain vehicle design on the public market. But for all the satire, the Shalmanesar cedes the point and is proud of it.

The soldiers are let out through a rear hatch which is a ramp door, offering an easy unloading process. The rear hatch, to avoid lightening the armour load on it, is powered through an extremely powerful set of electrical mechanics, which is one of the major things that warrants such a large engine in use for the APC, when something of 800 bhp would have done perfectly. For emergency dismounting there are two roof mounted hatches.

Sensor Equipment:
Sensor equipments include a foward-looking infrared [FLIR] rangefinder for close range engagement accuracy; especially since most engagements will be from close range, given the armament. On top of the minor turret there is a minor short-range, short-wave, radome for near complete radar coverage for up to eleven thousand meters, although expected usage is two thousand meters and less. There is also a laser radar [ladar] transmitter independence from the main array to further guide the ATGMs, while and independent transmitter is for the tank in general. Two side looking miniature LIDAR guassian transmitters aid in target and foe indentification.

The fire and control system is based on the larger Cornerstone program. The program is able to receive, condense, and process information from all sensor systems simultanuously, and thus offer a host of possible targets on a black background liquid matrix display screen for both the gunner and the commander [two seperate screens]. The Arica I can have up to eleven targets for possible engagement, and once one is deemed appropriately knocked out a new target is processed into the system.

Statistics [Export Version]:
Crew: 3 [Driver, Commander and Gunner]
Carrying Capacity: 15, including crew
Vehicle Armament:
-1x 35mm Chaingun
-2x portmounted 7.92mm machineguns
-2x anti-tank guided missiles
-1x 60mm grenade launcher
Ammunition:
-1,600 rounds for the 35mm [dispensed into four modular bins]
-800 rounds per portmounted machineguns
Length, Hull: 8.7m
Width: 3.57m
Height Overall: 2.3m
Ground Clearance: 0.51m
Weight, Combat: 51 tons
Weight, Empty: 45 tons
Turret Traverse: 360
Engine: Q-300-J 1200bhp Diesel
Maximum Horsepower: 1200bhp
Maximum Road Speed: 76 km/hr
Maximum Reverse Road Speed: 25 km/hr
Maximum Off-Road Speed: 55 km/hr
Acceleration, 0km/hr to 65km/hr: 17 sec
Maximum Range: 620 km
Fuel Capacity: 600 lit
Fording: 2.5m
Tracks: 450mm single pin metalic tracks with rubber inset roadwheels
Vertical Obstacle: 1.13m
Trench: 3.3m
Gradient: 60%
Side Slope: 40%
Armour Type: Composite
RHA: ca. 600mm RHAe vs. KE; ca. 1,600mm vs. CE
NBC System: CC/COP-30, 3+12x IDV-14
Night Vision Equipment: Yes (Driver, Commander, And Gunner)
Cost: 3.2 million USD

Corzia

15-01-2006, 22:04

Zossen

15-01-2006, 22:32

Zossen would like to purchase:

2,000 x Wolverine Light Tank
10 x Pepperbox class Logistical Support Vessel

Mekugi

15-01-2006, 23:07

The ACA has needed to replace our old LameBums IFV's for quite some time and has quickly chosen the Shalmaneser HAPC to do so. We require 12 000 of said vehicles and if possible, equiped with the 40mm ACP gun in lieu of the 35mm. Our total should be USD 19 200 000 000.

~CorziaThat would be this version:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v203/jay3135/Hardware/afvcs.png
with a 40x255mm CTA Main cannon and a 7.95mm Coaxial both in an unmanned turret. Though its not for sale, theres nothing saying you cant modify any number you buy with their own turrets.

Ato-Sara

16-01-2006, 01:00

Communique to the Kriegzimmer board

Tian' do arms wishes to market its flagship product the P10 PDW to a wider audience, it sees Kriegzimmer as an excellent way to draw attention to itself through Kriegzimmer's large customer base. Tian' do arms is therefore willing to accept a 50/50 split of profits from all sales made through Kriegzimmer.
Infomation about the P10 PDW (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10255738#post10255738) is enclosed.
We hope you accept this application.

Faithfully,

Director of Tian' do Arms
Han Kai

The Macabees

16-01-2006, 08:21

To: The Allied States of Corzia
We agree with your decision to replace LameBum's design with our own, specifically the Shalmanesar. Knowing the former's equipment very well, since LameBum's is notorious for the blatant copy of Kriegzimmer products, much like the Chinese to the Soviets/Russians, we can guarantee the superiority of the Shalmanesar. However, the 40mm ACP cannot be sold with this design since it is not under export liscence from Mekugi; one of the principal reasons the Empire itself doesn't use it - the Empire buys from Kriegzimmer, and Kriegzimmer refuses to sell selectively. Nevertheless, what Kriegzimmer can do is replace the turret with a heavier turret, and instead introduce a 40mm HVP main cannon, meaning you will get the same bore, with a magnum projectile. Regardless, weight will increase a bit. Just as well, the upgrade will cost you three hundred thousand USD more per unit bought, making the entire order for twelve thousand cost forty-two billion. It's up to you, but we appreciate the interest for the design!

[signed]Kriegzimmer Board

[OOC: That price does not include any percentage off; I don't remember exactly what you get off, but I suppose you do since the price you suggested for the twelve thousand APCs was almost at half-price. 12000*3,200,000 = 38,400,000,000. Bah, you have a plant in Corzia, correct? That would explain it!]

To: Zossen
Welcome old allies to Kriegzimmer. We believe you have purchased here before, but we will welcome you nonetheless. Your order, of course, has been confirmed. The two thousand Wolverines will arrive within four months, while the ten Pepperbox LSVs will be manufactured and shipped with skeletron crews within fourteen months. We are extremely greatful for the business, and it is always heartwearming to see old clients return. I'm sure the Empire would love to speak to you, but alas, we are completely seperate in terms of politics from the Empire. We bid you good luck, and we guarantee you that the designs will fulfill any roles you give them!

[signed]Kriegzimmer Board

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To: Han Kai, Director of Tian' do Arms
Kriegzimmer is very interested in this business proposition offered by Tian' do Arms. The profit split you suggested is more adequate than most, and so is immediately accepted. Although only some designs have gotten wide purchases, mostly being some of Lame Bum's tanks, which are soon to be erased from newer catalogues, and the other being Hailandkill's Maiden class SSVN, we do believe that your P10 PDW will be a wide seller. It is better than most rifles offered by Kriegzimmer, although we will not conceed that for the Hali-42; but it is also cheaper, which is always a very big positive aspect in any weapon design. Alas, we expect much traffic for the P10 PDW. Would you like to be informed of any and all purchases? Thank you for your time, Kriegzimmer appreciates it.

[signed]Kriegzimmer Board

The Macabees

16-01-2006, 08:24

Note: This is an Ato-Saran design. The rifle was researched and developed by Tian' do Arms, not Kriegzimmer. Any and all props should be directed to him; design, as well as image.

The P10 PDW
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v671/lazyjim/P10.png

In a bid to upgrade the Ato-Saran military firearms from the aging CR-2 series the CSC logistics department launched a competion for a contract to manufanture a next generation rifle.

The brief stated that because the Jade Guard and G-SDF were increasingly seeing action in enclosed urban enviroments that the weapons construction had to reflect this while still keep some of the power and range that the CR-2 series possesed. This would allow the weapon to be effective in closed urban enviromennts while still being able to use in pitched battles in open areas.

The second part of the UARW project was a personal defence weapon for vehicle crews and pilots.
The contract for this won by Tian' do arms, a small relatively unknown company based in Wu Lao.
The P10 far outstripped its competitors with its high rate of fire and stopping power.

Type: PDW
Name: P10
Fire Modes: Semi-Automatic, 3 Round Burst, Full Auto
Calibre: 9 x 18mm (Caseless)
Barrel Length: 257.3 mm
Overall Length: 384.4mm
Magazine Capacity: 30 rounds
Rate Of Fire: 2,000 rounds/min (800 RPM for Full auto)
Muzzle Velocity: 760 m/s
Maximum Effective Range: 120 meters
Mass without Magazine: 2.36kg
Mass with Magazine: 2.81kg
Estimated price per unit: 1,435 USD

Features
-Picatinny exapnsion rails
-Laser dot
-Light Carbon fibre construction

The powerful caseless round of the P10 allows it to penetrate most modern body armour, this comes at the cost of high recoil, however the extremely high rate of fire permitted in the three round burst mode negates this somewhat allowing every burst to be laser accurate. Firing in full automatic mode has no such benefit and recoil becomes a large problem.

The P10 is small, light weight and easily concealed making it ideal for spec-ops, pilots and vehicle crews. It is also heavily used by many Ato-Saran police departments as a standard sidearm for officers in hostile situations.

The caseless rounds used by the P10 are manufactured by Ban Toi heavy manufacturing exclusively in Ato-Sara, but production rights can be bought by foreign companies on the explicit agreement that they are not to be distributed anywhere inside the Socailist Federation of Ato-Sara and affiliated territories. Production rights for the 9x18 caseles 'Jian' round are usually around 12 Million USD. (Production rights for the P10 itself are not available.)

Ato-Sara

16-01-2006, 12:09

To: Han Kai, Director of Tian' do Arms
Kriegzimmer is very interested in this business proposition offered by Tian' do Arms. The profit split you suggested is more adequate than most, and so is immediately accepted. Although only some designs have gotten wide purchases, mostly being some of Lame Bum's tanks, which are soon to be erased from newer catalogues, and the other being Hailandkill's Maiden class SSVN, we do believe that your P10 PDW will be a wide seller. It is better than most rifles offered by Kriegzimmer, although we will not conceed that for the Hali-42; but it is also cheaper, which is always a very big positive aspect in any weapon design. Alas, we expect much traffic for the P10 PDW. Would you like to be informed of any and all purchases? Thank you for your time, Kriegzimmer appreciates it.

[signed]Kriegzimmer Board

To: Kreigzimmer Board

We thank you for accpting our proposition, as to infomation on purchases, this we do not require unless it is a very, very large purchase.
Once again many thanks.

Sincerely,

Director of Tian' do Arms
Han Kai

Corzia

16-01-2006, 19:42

The Macabees

16-01-2006, 20:39

ooc: yeah, you built one on corzian soil, hence the awesome discount! i guess the hvp would work, i just like using a heavier gun in combat.
dang, if i didn't just design my own pdw i might've bought myself an excessive amount of that p10. ah well, life can be cruel...

[OOC: Consider the order fulfilled then. The 40mm HPV might get you the equivalent of a 50 to 60mm round; but it'll increase barrel wear. Then again, it'll get you that extra penetration.]

Southeastasia

17-01-2006, 13:02

The Macabees

17-01-2006, 18:33

OOC: Mac, can you please enlighten Kahanistan on who would win, pilots of equal skill: six MiG-35s against one Lu-45 Hawk.

Link here to the post. (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10128972&postcount=7)

[OOC: An Lu-45, carrying beyond visual range armament [AAM.176 and foreign equivalents] will be able to engage any MiG from a greater range [by greater, I mean 200 kilometers greater], since no MiGs carry advance enough radar to engage a threat at what could be considered 100kms or more. In fact, the Lu-45 can engage with missiles that are more manueverable than their threat itself, then turn around and leave unscathed - all the MiGs might not be destroyed, but they would have found themselves with perhaps 1/5 of the original number. On a 1:6 basis a Lu-45 can fire all of its armament, which can be twelve AAM.176 missiles from a range of two hundred kilometers, and then turn around, and realistically expect for none of those MiGs to survive. A MiG is really not the aircraft to choose; if he claims that he has upgraded it, it no longer becomes a thirty million dollar aircraft, it becomes a sixty to seventy million dollar aircraft, and it's still inferior to the Hawk and equivalents.]

The Exodians

17-01-2006, 20:46

OOC: It's me again, and now I've got some work for you... :OOC

IC[MWS]:

To: Kriegzimmer
From: Office of Foreign Business, Amsterdam

Greetings, for the purposes of creating a temporal army - meaning untill our own scientists find suitable replacements - The Netherlands wish to order the following list of production rights, and preferably an estimation of the production time of the items on it.

-Naram-Sin Strategical Long Term Bomber
-Lu-45 Hawk Air Superiority Fighter
-GLI-34 Albatross Long Range Stealth Bomber
-Hali-42 Assault Rifle
-Zealous class Super Dreadnought
-Argentine class Galleon [Super Dreadnought Killer]
-Paramount class Air Defense Vessel [ADV]
-Indestructable class Aircraft Carrier
-Valencia class SSK
-Cadiz class SSBN
-Tenerife class SSH
-All ammunition required for the above.

We thank you for your attention, signed,

NL

The Macabees

18-01-2006, 03:55

[MWS]

To: Amsterdam, the Netherlands
We're glad that your scientist have looked into the Spanish company of Kriegzimmer, despite the rather ironic name. The order has been confirmed for the Dutch, all production rights to all listed items will be given. We will give the roundabout number of 2.7 trillion United States Dollars [it would have been at least a trillion less, but the Zealous really got you] for production rights, including ammunition. This latter includes the AAM.176 and all other AAM variants, as well as the AV. variants [torpedoes]. We hope that the Dutch government is content with Kriegzimmer's price. We can negotiate a payment plan if 2.7 trillion is past your annual budget, which would include a five year payment method, which would guarantee your budget's safety, and our money. Regardless of your decision, we want you to know that Kriegzimmer works for you, and it thanks you for the purchase. We certainly are eager to have you back, if willing, at a later date.

[signed]Kriegzimmer Board

Southeastasia

18-01-2006, 09:53

[OOC: I wished you to post it in Kahanistan's version of AMF's 'Great Big' OOC thread, TM.]

The Exodians

18-01-2006, 18:54

To: Kriegzimmer

Do not worry, our budget [about 3.5 Trillion] is more than capable of handling such a price. Therefor The Netherlands will accept your offer, and planning for the transfer of the schemes will begin.

We will be happy to do business with you again, as we would also like to purchase the production rights for:
-Elusive class Battleship
-Illium class DDG
-CLN-68 Morsky-Orol Class Light Cruiser
-Azores class Fast Attack Craft
-Lu-27 Condor Hypersonic Interceptor

NL.

OOC:This ought to finish the rest of my budget this year...:OOC
Edit: What are the numbers for the crew of the Indestuctible, the Elusive, and the Tenerife?

The Macabees

18-01-2006, 20:56

[OOC: The Indestructable has a crew of around 3,500 sailors [officers and non-officers], with a air wing of around three thousand souls. The Elusive should have around 2,000 sailors, with around 1,500 enlisted. The Tenerife has a crew of around 120.]

To: The Netherlands
We apologize for any assumptions we made, and apologize if your government found them offensive. We did not mean any disrespect towards the Netherlands. Your newest order, of course, has been confirmed for seven hundred billion United States Dollars. We hope that the Netherlands finds this agreeable. Thank you for yet another purchase, and we hope to offer the Netherlands more service at a later date.

[signed]Kriegzimmer Board

Sniper Country

20-01-2006, 20:04

The Confederacy of Sniper Country would like to purchase:

(648) Ostkampfwagen VIII Ferne [$9,720,000,000]

TOTAL: $9,720,000,000

::$9,720,000,000 WIRED::

Southeastasia

21-01-2006, 09:57

OOC: Mac, how come you removed the Ferne from the list?

Communist Revolution

21-01-2006, 11:43

To: Kriegzimmer Board
From: The Conspiracy of Defence
Subject: Large Order

We here at the conspiracy would like to place another large order for amoured units.

2 million Hali-42 assault rifles ($6.4 billion)
--Plus production rights ($3.2 million)
60,000 Cougar MBTs ($720 billion)
20,000 Wolverine Light Tanks ($70 billion)
100 Paramount Class ADVs ($70 billion)
2500 Azores Class FACs ($1 trillion)

Grand total: $1.7964732 trillion
To make it even: $1.8 trillion

Each unit will be paid for as it arrives.
[signed]
John Axeworthy
Chief Conspirator
Conspiracy of Defence

(ooc: the "to make it even" may be taken as a bit of a bribe for the future)

Spizania

21-01-2006, 14:09

The Confederate States of Spizania wishes to order 200,000 Shockhound I Avenger AntiShipping Missiles per year for the next twenty years. The First payment of 110,000 million USD dollars has been wired. (I have 50% of oon Naval stuff)

The Confederate Navy also wishes to order 25000 Hammerhead torpedoes and 15000 Av.17 'Tiburon' Light Weight Torpedoes, the payment, again with the naval discount has been wired.

The Exodians

21-01-2006, 14:23

OOC: Me once more, I just noticed that "we" also don't know the crew of the "Azores"... :OOC

The Macabees

22-01-2006, 00:20

[OOC: This is for both Southeast Asia and Sniper Country; Kriegzimmer no longer sponsors Lame Bum's equipment, since #1 he has newer stuff out, and #2, most of it just copies off old Kriegzimmer designs. Not to give any disrespect, but he's a self proclaimed armoured specialist, but most of his designs are direct copies off mine - he is China, and I'm the Soviet Union, so to speak. Nonetheless, Sniper Country, he has a storefront of his own, which incidently copied the tagline I use to have on my signature, but to tell you the truth, the Arca. I is superior to anything that he has. But it's your choice.]

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To: John Axeworthy, Chief Conspirator, Conspiracy of Defence
Welcome back to Kriegzimmer; the entire order, of course, has been confirmed, and just for kicks, so has the price augmentation 'to make it even', so to speak. The two million assault rifles will arrive in four batches of five hundred thousand rifles each, over four months, while the Cougars will arrive in batches of seven hundred tanks per month, coming from McKagan, and five hundred tanks per month coming from Corzia, making the entire order sixty months long; one thousand tanks per month. The light tanks will come at the same rate, finishing in twenty months, while the Paramounts will arrive in two years, and the Azores within six or seven. Thank you for your business.

[signed]Kriegzimmer Board

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To: Spizania
The order has been confirmed, like always, and the two hundred thousand Shockhound Avenger Is will be sent over a period of twenty years, or ten thousand per year. Should you wish to augment your order, we would be happy to. The rest of the order is also confirmed, with the twenty-five thousand Hammerheads arriving in two months,a nd the fifteen thousand Av.17s within one. Again, thank you for your business.

[signed]Kriegzimmer Board

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[Exodians: I'd say about seventy crew members.]

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Sorry for the troubles, but can I get people that are not listed on this list to tell me that I have a factory complex in their country, and for what [either sea, or air and land, or all three]:

McKagan [which?]
Corzia [which?]
Space Union [air and land; bought it on another thread]
Praetonia [air and land]
Spizania [which?]

My memory is faltering.

McKagan

22-01-2006, 00:28

[OOC: I'm not sure what your factories were for, but I know naval at least. We should just make it for Air, Sea, AND land.]

Whyatica

22-01-2006, 00:35

We of the Sultanate once again return to the excellent storefront of Kriegzimmer, this time for a rather large request;

We are willing to pay for the production rights of the following productS:

Arca. I Cougar Main Battle Tank
Zealous class Super Dreadnaught
Argentine Class Galleon
Paramount Class ADV
Elusive class Battleship
Ilium class Guided Missile Destroyer
Morsky-Orol Light Cruiser
Lu-45 Hawk Air Superiority Fighter

Please respond with your price for these designs.

Minister Aziz Afnan,
Sultanate of Whyatica

Spizania

22-01-2006, 01:14

OOC: That was two hundred thousand missiles PER year, for Twenty years, I have a fifty percent discount becasue teh Krigzimmer factory is a NAVAL yard.

Corzia

22-01-2006, 03:20

"2 x 1 for coastal arrangments and 100 x 100kms for an inland factory polygon"

that's what you built in corzia. it is for all unit production.

Southeastasia

22-01-2006, 03:53

OOC: Where's LB's sf? Link anyone?

Corzia

22-01-2006, 05:00

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=9067303

yeah, i think that is it...

Mac: Halbergradia <sp?> has a plant twice the size of the one in corzia.

Amestria

22-01-2006, 05:27

To:Aaron Bradely, Senior General of the Armies, Amestria and Pierre Gagnaire , Minister of Defense, Amestria

It would cost the production rights to the P.746.X series, which are twenty billion USD. You can build the launchers yourself, or you can hire Kriegzimmer engineers for two hundred million USD, and Kriegzimmer can design them for you. In the end, if you have your own, capable, engineers we suggest that you do it yourself to save the money, and to give more freedom of design; if you build the launcher to conform the P.746.A then there would be no problems. It's up to you.

[signed]Kriegzimmer Board

Secret Message from the Amestrian Ministry of Defense and the Amestrian Militaries Central Command

The Amestrian State shall purchase the production rights to the P.746.X series. The Amestrian Dupuit Arm-Produktion Compagnie shall be contracted to begin production of the missiles. As for the construction of the launchers, the Amestrian Military maintains several Engineering Corps that shall be assigned to the current Air Defense Grid Project. However, as we wish for the construction to proceed as quickly as possible, the Amestrian State shall hire the Kriegzimmer Corporations engineers to aid its own Military Engineers.

[signed]
Minister of Defense Pierre Gagnaire
Senior General of the Armies Aaron Bradley

The Macabees

22-01-2006, 07:25

To: Minister Aziz Afnan, Sultanate of Whyatica
Welcome back to Kriegzimmer! The production rights for all listed would come at around 1.8 billion [the Zealous being, by far, the most expensive in production rights]. Nevertheless, we feel this is a fair price, although you may negotiate to your heart's content. We hope to hear back from you for this hefty order. Thank you for your business.

[signed]Kriegzimmer Board

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To: Aaron Bradely, Senior General of the Armies, Amestria and Pierre Gagnaire , Minister of Defense, Amestria

Then the order is confirmed! The production rights will be at twenty billion USD [one of the few units with listed prod. rights], and the Kriegzimmer engineering price will be tallied up afterwards, depending on time consumed [in other words, I won't state a price; just assume it was paid]. Thank you for yet another hefty deal, and Kriegzimmer will do its best to aid and advise your own engineers in the construction of your national air defense curtain, employing the P.746.X series.

[signed]Kriegzimmer Board

[OOC: Spizania, assumed it approved.]

Southeastasia

23-01-2006, 11:18

*bump*

Southeastasia

24-01-2006, 10:17

OOC: Mac, how does the BredSvert's successor look like?

The Macabees

24-01-2006, 17:36

OOC: Mac, how does the BredSvert's successor look like?

[OOC: It's the Arca. I. There's no realistic tank on NS that would be able to withstand a APFSDS from the main gun [not to mention it's 140mm]. Well, better yet, I'll provide you with the link. http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=9906755&postcount=757 The Ausfva. [Variant] C was supposed to be released around now, but SafeHaven2 broke his computer, and the release of the tank deals directly with A Passion Play, since I'm roleplaying my armoured developement realistically. It's going to feature improved a very improved fire rate for the heavy gun, better but lighter armour [I'm developing my own ceramic composite], amongst other things. There's an Ausfva. B which was originally designed for Truitt, but I don't think he uses it - it simply downsizes the gun to a 120mm to increase firing rate. If you want a nicer looking version of the write-up..the difference being it has a table... it's here: http://ns.goobergunch.net/wiki/index.php/Arca_I_Cougar]

EDIT: Anybody have idea on what I should design next? Right now my designs are going for practicality in my own military, but I could design something else.

Spizania

24-01-2006, 18:18

OOC: Well with me being apparently blacklisted by the Sarzonian Government, and then SUs defence companies being bought by PIW, could you develop a heavy bomber as it appears i wont be buying his SuB-1C Block 10 Hurricaine

The Exodians

24-01-2006, 19:29

OOC: My vote goes to mines, I only see one kind of them there, and they do remain effective no matter how far tech advances in the future. Either that, or just something that is new and quite rare to see. :OOC

The Macabees

25-01-2006, 00:15

[OOC: Spizania, I'll get working on a heavy bomber right away, and Exodians, I can do those too since they don't up that much time. Spiz, any specific amount of armament you would like this to carry? I mean, the Albatross carries 80,000kgs, and that's not 'small' in any respect - so, what exactly are you looking for? And Exodians, any specific type of mine? I think I'm going to be working on naval mines first, and then an anti-personnel mine, and then I dunno what other types of mines.]

Spizania

25-01-2006, 00:18

OOC: According to your writeup it carries a bombload of 60000 POUNDS, I want as high a payload/speed as possible. Payload is primary aslong as the bomber isnt a sitting duck. I dont want to waste money on Stealth for all my bombers

Southeastasia

25-01-2006, 10:16

OOC: Yes I know what is the name of the tank. I just wanted to see it's picture.

Mationbuds

25-01-2006, 13:03

[Tenerife class SSH]

[Out of Character Background]
This is the first design I've undertaken on paper before transferring all of the information to the computer. It is to say, it's the first design in which I drew specific parts and I actually explained and computed certain charactiristics of the submarine, and of course many of the things are mathimatically tested, although unfortunately I can't show all of the math on here. It also is, most likely, a piece in which I spent the most time researching specific technologies and designs.

Consequently, I've decided to include a bibliography at the end with a list of written sources. I've attented to, as well, as a list of oral testimonials. Hopefully, this bibliography will give the Tenerife a bit more justification, and, perhaps, it will underscore the two months time I put into the design.

The design took me from my more permanent home of San Diego, where for the past two years, through Physics and enginnering, I slowly developeed my knowledge of weapons, which is still severely limited, and then to central Spain, including Madrid, and El Provencio, where I was opened to my uncle's vast collection of books concerning submarines, as well as the National Museum of the Armada. Maybe the Tenerife will go down as the most international design of NationStates.

Because of the fact that this was done largely through my own assumptions, designs and calculations there is a huge possibility that the Tenerife has some errors. Consequently, I invite anybody to nitpick at me. In the end, it is only improvement of the design.

-Jon

[Abstract]
The Tenerife was the response of the Empire to the evolution of naval strategy. The latter has seen a change from the supremacy of surface combat groups to that of submerged combat groups. It is to say, in modern naval battles we've seen that the submarine has been the most influential variable, considering the conclusions of most battles. Then, following the game of cat and mouse, armaments and counter-armaments, Kriegzimmer has introduced the new class of submarine - the hunter; the first of these will be the Tenerife.

Not only that, but the Tenerife is the first submarine in the service of the Kriegsmarine that is one hundred percent produced in the Empire, by domestic companies. It is sure to say that the Tenerife is the glory of the Kriegsmarine and of the Empire in general.

[Hull Design and Construction]
The hull of the submarine doesn't follow standard procedures of modern sbumarines, the teardrop shape. Instead, the Tenerife takes on the shape of a pure cigar, which was originally attempted by the Soviet Union twenty years ago, in its Alfa class SSNs and Papa class SSBNs. The pure cigar has proved to have the capability of higher velocities as opposed to a standard cigar or a tear drop shape hull. The Tenerife itself has been tested to reach the maximum velocity of forty-three knots, one more than the Alfa class submarine.

The frame of the Tenerife class SSN is fully made of titanium, amongst the strongest conventional metals known to man. Although rather expensive, it does allow to extend the much important crush depth needed for modern submarines. Furthermore, it gives the hull a greater tensile strength, and should be able to survive up to, and perhaps more than, two standard ADCAP [MK 48] torpedoes.

The hull is constructed of a composite material, designed by Imperial engineers. Namely, a polymer material [or plastic material] is weaved around a matrix, giving it additional strength for resistance. The polymer is also reinforced with titanium and steel strands, as well as the ceramics found in chobham and cermat. Furthermore, there are also strands of depleted uranium and vanadium, giving the hull a strength proportional to that of a surface ship. There are also several bulkheads and a host of NBC protection agents, in order to defend from chemical to nuclear attacks in the submarine layer.

The hull and frame gives the Tenerife class SSH an outstanding crush depth of 2.5 kilometers under perfect circumstances. The hull also incorporates ROR-CHO composite technology developed by BFGoodrich which give the submarine and its sonar windows awesome acoustical performance, while keeping structural integrity.

Moreover, the hull and screws are pocketed by Super Flow cavitation absorbers. SuperFlow power absorbers use forged stainless steel shafts, which have internal hubs for attachment of the impeller. The attachment point to the hub is part of the forging, not a keyway or serration. The stainless steel forged shafts, used in the dynamometers currently available on SF-901s, have not experienced a single failure in their current configurations, going back a number of years. The SuperFlow absorber design uses a rounded pocket which is considerably more efficient at transferring torque, while reducing the shock effect of the water moving from the rotor to the stator. As a consequence, the rotor is smaller in diameter and contains much less volume for rapid response. The area exposed to the water is less, and many of these units have been in operation more than 15 years at this time. The SuperFlow dynamometers are used extensively for endurance testing, and customers report accumulating more than 10,000 hours on the absorbers. SuperFlow’s durability is proven by many years of in-field use.
Finally, the hull is layered with a thin strip of gaucho, a black rubbery substance designed to absorb active sound waves, as well as anechoic tiling.

[Propulsion]
The Tenerife class SSH is driven by a single Baldur pebble bed nuclear reactor. The Pebble Bed Modular Reactor (PBMR) is a new type of high temperature helium gas-cooled nuclear reactor, which builds and advances on world-wide nuclear operators' experience of older reactor designs. The most remarkable feature of these reactors is that they use attributes inherent in and natural to the processes of nuclear energy generation to enhance safety features. More importantly, it is also a practical and cost-effective solution to most of the logistics of generating electricity.

http://www.eskom.co.za/nuclear_energy/pebble_bed/image1_2.gif

To protect the reactor there are several infra-red detection devices around the uranium core, and at a note from a pressure sensor, either made by water or a man made collision, the Baldur nuclear reactor is automatically shut off, save for the coolant flow.

http://www.eskom.co.za/nuclear_energy/pebble_bed/coated_part.gif

The nature of the chain reaction that takes place in the PBMR is exactly the same as the one that takes place at Koeberg. (Refer to Koeberg experience - Fuel )

The fuel used in a PBMR consists of "spheres" which are designed in such a way that they contain their radioactivity. The PBMR fuel is based on proven high quality fuel used in Germany.

Each sphere is about the size of a tennis ball and consists of an outer graphite matrix (covering) and an inner fuel zone The fuel zone of a single sphere can contain up to 15 000 "particles". Each particle is coated with a special barrier coating, which ensures that radioactivity is kept locked inside the particle. One of the barriers,the silicon carbide barrier, is so dense that no gaseous or metallic radioactive products can escape. (it retains its density up to temperatures of over 1 700 degrees Celsius). The reactor is loaded with over 440 000 spheres - three quarters of which are fuel spheres and one quarter graphite spheres - at any one time. Fuel spheres are continually being added to the core from the top and removed from the bottom. The removed spheres are measured to see if all the uranium has been used. If it has, the sphere is sent to the spent fuel storage system, and if not, it is reloaded in the core. An average fuel sphere will pass through the core about 10 times before being discharged. the graphite spheres are always re-used. The graphite spheres are used as a moderator. They absorb and reduce the energy of the neutrons so that these can reach the right energy level needed to sustain the chain reaction.

[Saturn SONAR Megalith]
AN/BQQ-5 Sonar
AN/BQQ-5 bow-mounted spherical array sonar acoustic system is deployed on SSN 637 and SSN 501 attack submarine classes. This low frequency passive and active search and attack sonar is supplied by IBM. The AN/BQQ-5E sonar with the TB-29 towed array and Combat Control System (CCS) Mk 2, known collectively as the QE-2 System, provides a functionally equivalent system for the Cartagena class submarines. Enhancements include increases in acoustic performance, improved combat control capabilities and replacement of obsolete equipment.

OPEVAL for AN/BQQ-5E system with the TB-29 Array completed in FY 1998; this system will provide quantum improvements in long-range detection and localization for SSN 501 Class Submarines. Engineering Change Proposal (ECP) 7001 to AN/BQQ-5E will provide Low Frequency Active Interference Rejection, Dual Towed Array Processing, and Full Spectrum Processing to SSN 501 Class Submarines.

The AN/BSY-1 ECP 1000, the AN/BQQ-5 Medium Frequency Active Improvement program and Improved Control Display Console Obsolete Equipment Replacement have been modified to become the basis of the Acoustics Rapid Commercial Off The Shelf Insertion (A-RCI) program. A-RCI is a multi-phased, evolutionary development effort geared toward addressing Acoustic Superiority issues through the rapid introduction of interim development products applicable to SSN 501,Class Submarines. A-RCI Phases I and II introduce towed array processing improvements; A-RCI Phase III introduces spherical array processing improvements.

The Tenerife Submarine System Improvement Program develops and integrates command and control improvements needed to maintain Cartagena submarine operational capability through the life cycle of this vital strategic asset. The program conducts efforts needed to ensure platform invulnerability, and reduce life cycle costs. Recent efforts have included the development of AN/BQQ-6 Sonar to AN/BQQ-5E Sonar Translator.

TB-113, TB-23 Towed Array and TACTAS
The TB-113 towed array is the newest towed array currently in service with the Imperial Navy. Being about three times as long as the current Elusive class Battleship it also has a grand host of hundreds of sensitive hydrophones running down the final seventy-five meters length of steel wire.

It was designed to supplement the AN/BQQ-5 spherical array, and to exceed existent towed arrays. However, the older TB-23 towed array is still in use, being the only short towed array in service with the Imperial Navy.

The AN/SQR-19 Tactical Towed Array SONAR (TACTAS) provides very long-range passive detection of enemy submarines. TACTAS is a long cable full of microphones that is towed about a mile behind the ship. It is towed so far behind the ship so as to not let noise radiating from the shipitself interfere with the noise picked up from targets. Using that noise can determine exactly what ship or submarine is being tracked. The AN/SQR-19B Tactical Array SONAR (TACTAS) is a passive towed array system which provides the ability to detect, classify, and track a large number of submarine contacts at increased ranges. TACTAS is a component sensor of the AN/SQQ-89(V)6 ASW Combat System, and provides significant improvements in passive detection and localization, searching throughout 360 degrees at tactical ship speeds. Processing of complex TACTAS data is performed by the largest computer program assembly ever developed for surface ship anti-submarine warfare.

Meteorology and Oceanography Center Detachment TACTAS support products describe oceanographic and acoustic conditions (using range dependent models) in the prosecution area for towed array ships tasked by CTF-69 for ASW operations. This message is provided when own ship Sonar In-situ Mode Assessment System (SIMAS) or the Mobile Environmental Team’s Mobile Oceanographic Support System MOSS) are not available. It is tailored to the specific towed array carried onboard. The message is transmitted prior to the start of a prosecution and daily thereafter or as requested.

[Apollo's Eyes RADAR]
The radar has a peak power of 50 or 60 kW (pulse width 1 microsecond, PRF 1200 pps). There are also a short-pulse mode (0.1 microsecond, 100 kW, can be 2500 pps). Gain is 28 dB; dimensions of the half-cheese antenna are 1.0 x 0.25 m. The beam is 2.4 x 16 deg.

Performance: The range remains at around 200 nautical miles. In the single-pulse mode a ship can be detected at two hundred and ten nautical miles. The ZW-07 radar is installed on the Cartagena SSN.

http://www.dutchsubmarines.com/rd/images/equipm_zw-07.jpg

Apollo's Eyes focuses on sky search duties, insteand of surface search, although it's main priority are low flying aircraft.

[Photonic Mast]
http://static.howstuffworks.com/gif/photonic-mast-a.jpg

As with the other new submergible designs within the Kriegsmarine's ranks the Tenerife has dropped the use of the standard attack and search periscopes, instead using a single all purpose photonic mast. However, credit for the awakening of the technology must go to New Empire, although credit for a better understanding and subsequent improvement is retained by the Second Empire of the Golden Throne.

The technology works through a mechanism similar to a standard periscope. This includes a fairly long tube shaped rod, which is retractable, placed on the submarine's bridge. The mast holds a cassagrian telescope, used widely by modern astronomers, and infamous for its relative simplicity of design, and cost effectiveness.

THe diamond cast lens, designed in a concave shape, seves the purpose of collecting light. Light waves, of length varying from all wavelenghts which pass through the ozone and multiple atmospheres are seen by both and these light waves move through the lend to the rear of the Cassagrian telescope, which is covered with mirrors angled at various measurements, thus causing the light to relfect towards the intended focus, which relfects the light down the photonic mast. From there it uses the same technology as a standard periscope, it is to say, a series of prisms and mirros to divide and relfect the light into the eyes of the observer.

The difference between a photonic mast and a periscope is that unlike a periscope, the photonic mast does not collect light on the basis of the capabilities of the human eye. Instead, it collects all light in the atmosphere, and this light is seen through a digital camera, which makes the eye piece. It also has a much longer range than a standard periscope.

[Weapons]
The Tenerife will have six forward tubes, designed at 500mm width. The tubes will be able to fire virtually any Imperial torpedo design, including the MT-1, MT-2, MT-3 and MT-4. The tubes will also be used to release SSIXS transmission canisters.

Furthermore, the Tenerife is designed with two quadruple cell VLS tubes for a launch sequence of eight missiles within eight seconds. VLS tubes employed by the Tenerife will be of the same make as those employed on other submersible and surface ships. Meaning, after one missile is launched the entire VLS apparatus uses heavy hydraulics to spin, and in that way while one missile launches another cell restocks, ergo, the VLS tubes never have to stop firing, and instead reload on the move.

The VLS cells are designed to fire Principe III, Shockhound Avenger I and Praetorian V missiles.

The Tenerife can also carry up to twenty mines and a single Bilbao class UUV.

Finally, the Tenerife wields five retractable ASHUM guns for anti-torpedo defenses.

[Statistics]
Beam: 30 ft.
Length: 350 ft.
Submerged Displacement: 7,100 tons
Submerged Velocity: 43 knots

[Cost]
Each Tenerife class SSN will be exported for 1.4 billion USD.

The Armed Republic of Mationland is interested in buying 5 if these submarines , amounting to 7 billion USD .

We are also interested in setting up diplomatic relations between our nations/company .

Regards ,
Martin Luther , Secretary Dictatorial office

The Exodians

25-01-2006, 15:35

[OOC:And Exodians, any specific type of mine? I think I'm going to be working on naval mines first, and then an anti-personnel mine, and then I dunno what other types of mines.]

OOC: I don't think there are any types of mines apart from AT, AP, and naval mines,(Ok, you could have airmines, but that's an idea I'm working on myself) so what you are planning on doing there is just fine I suppose. :OOC

The Macabees

26-01-2006, 01:39

[OOC: SEA, to tell you the truth, on NSWiki I used the same picture as the BredtSvert. I tried drawing my own, but every time I move onto the tracks I blunder so badly that it's not worth keeping the picture of the tank. I'll try again sometime in the future.]

To: Martin Luther , Secretary Dictatorial office, Mationbuds

The Tenerife is a very worthwhile design to purchase, and we're glad that Mationbuds took an interest with it. With that said, the order has been confirmed, and the five SSHs will be manufactured and sent to your port of given choice within fifteen months, with all five submarines being manufactured at the same time in different shipyards, making fulfillment very speedy. We're sure that you'll find use for these submarines, and we're sure that for whatever you may use the Tenerifes for, they will serve you wonderfully.

As for Kriegzimmer/Mationbud relations, Kriegzimmer is 100% neutral in relations, selling to all for prices listed. Kriegzimmer is an open market conglomerate, working in a fully free market enviroment, in over five different nations so far. As for, Mationbud/Macabee relations, Kriegzimmer does not work for the government, and so we cannot fulfill treaty obligations through here. We are deeply sorry for any inconvinience this may have caused.

[signed]Kriegzimmer Board

Southeastasia

26-01-2006, 13:44

*bump*

The Exodians

27-01-2006, 21:09

OOC:As you seem to know a lot about this Tech-stuff (or are good at pretending you are.) I'd like your opinion on what I've been trying to create during last week. I know it can still be improved, but I think it's acceptable so far:

"Hornet class Airmine Mk I"

>Why to design it?
Mines remain an useful piece of defence for all countries, because they can do their work in any circumstances, at any time, and against anything no matter how stealthy it tries to be. The only problem was that untill now mines were only available as variants that had to be buried, or variants that had to sink underground. With The Hornet this problem should be solved.

>Design
On the outside the Hornet looks like a big light-blue sphere, which is a balloon filled with helium to allow it to float in the air. from it is hanging a small box-shaped section by three chains, in which a small thruster is located to help it stay where it is. In the sphere itself is the actual explosive device, as are the sensors that control it. The reliance on helium for floatation does mean it will come down eventually, so it is advisable to keep Hornets prepared for a suprise defence, rather than for continuous guarding.

>Sensors
To keep everything as simple as possible, sensors are limited to a small radar going in circles, only measuring 100m with a 90 degrees arc of view. As soon as it detects something bigger than another mine in its vision it sets of the explosives, meaning that it doesn't allow anything past it, not even allied units.

>Destructive Power
The explosive core of the mine is nothing special either. Because aircraft tend to be much lighter armoured than their counterparts on the ground or in the sea, the scientists figured that a ball of heavy explosives sending several dozen ballbearings flying in all directions should be able to shatter most important parts of an aircraft like engines or crew compartments. The problem that comes with this is that with all those ballbearings, there is a high chance of those colliding with other mines causing chain reactions. This isn't a bad thing there in the air, as it increases the chance of hitting the target, but it can become a bit problematic for persons and light vehicles below, with all those things falling down.

>Cost
$1.000

The Macabees

27-01-2006, 21:18

Well, is the radar sensor 100 meters, or the range of the wave? Because if it's the former than this is a pretty huge mine [a tenth of a kilometer], meaning that it would probably be shot out of the sky by an aircraft's guns or missiles [most likely that former; it would be a waste of missile] before it had a chance to engage the aircraft with its explosives and ball bearings. If not, what are the dimensions of this? I suggest that you go for something as small as possible, to avoid what I wrote above. Other than that, it's an interesting idea. It's success, I don't know. The sky is a pretty huge area to manuever, with no obstacles in the path of an aircraft, except air currents. I mean, at the cost provided I don't think that should play a big part, because it's so cheap that even if an aircraft manages to evade it, it was well worth the shot, and you might get a few kills. At one thousand USD per mine, that would basically be that in order to match the cost of a Lu-45 you would need eighty thousand mines; and that, in the air, would be a threat.

The Exodians

27-01-2006, 21:28

To be honest, that was quite some mistake on my side...

Anyhow, in the file on my PC I've now re-written the sentence to be "the range of which only measures 100m" which should be more appropriate.(Even I am not mad enough to build a mine bigger than the aircraft it is supposed to blow up.)

For the size of the mine I was thinking to make the sphere have a diameter of between 1 and 1.5 meter, so it can hold enough helium to keep the thing in the air, while still being 'small' when compared to the skies.

And finally if one aircraft is worth eightythousand mines, I think I have to consider increasing the price of the mines.($2000/2500?) This is just a bit unfair.

The Macabees

27-01-2006, 21:38

What about changing the gas from helium to hydrogen, which is more volatile, meaning the explosion will be bigger. :D Well, I guess it would depend on which gives it a higher flight time with the same volume provided; because in this instance, flight time should have priority over reaction. Nonetheless, it would be nice. 1.5 meters sounds about right; you could probably construct it so that it's radar transparent; the skin of the baloon can certainly be made as such, and whatever carries the explosive can be made out of plexiglass, meaning it would be largely unobservable to enemy radar; meaning a enemy pilot would have to get visual confirmation through the use of his two eyes [where he would most likely be going too fast to do], or through the cameras some aircraft carry [all of mine do, but are fitted after their purchase from Kriegzimmer]. This has the potential to be very lethal.

As for the eighty thousand; I don't really think the price is that important; I really don't know how much this would cost. You wouldn't be able to fit eighty thousand mines in the air anyways [since you would lose any stealth this thing had, by filling the sky with them] - the explosion of one will also cause the explosion of the rest if they are too tightly placed together, et cetera. So, there's a natural limit of the number you can deploy.

The Exodians

27-01-2006, 21:47

A quick look in one of those science books told me that Hydrogen floats even better than Helium, so that's an easy choice after all. With higher 'floatation', it will stay in the air longer, and by being volatile it'll cause a nice explosion.

I like the idea of fooling radars with this, as it becomes more of a real mine (by not being really noticable) and gives a proper reason for upping the price a bit (I'm really doing that, 40.000 mines for an aircraft is more than enough ;) )

After changing those things I'll be off for tonight, but I have to say it was a nice thing to talk to you, very 'enlightening' so to say... :D

Mekugi

28-01-2006, 16:36

OOC: What Im suprised about is you havent developed a true Enclosed SPA since apparently april (probably longer than that considering that was just when it was transferred to the new storefront)

Southeastasia

28-01-2006, 16:45

OOC: Mac, what calculators do you use?

The Macabees

28-01-2006, 21:52

Mekugi, I did develope the Elephant, but I never really finished it - the pure stats are on the Draftroom; but I never really worked on it. Meh. Maybe I should complete it. It depends on how motivated I am - recently I've been using the self-propelled Corbulo, as opposed to a self propelled howitzer.

Southeast Asia; I use a scientific calculator, and most of time run equations on paper, as opposed to on an online calculator; I do use an airframe cost calculator, and an engine cost calculator, however.

Mekugi

29-01-2006, 01:02

OOC: Ahh I see (has just returned from reading about the elephant) I was more so reffering to a more conventional 155mm Gun/Howitzer capable of both direct (for killing heavy battle tanks) or indirectly (just about everythign else...)

oh well I suppose I'll go back to coloring in PS.

Spizania

29-01-2006, 01:50

OOC: I have such a vehicle.

Altistan

29-01-2006, 18:21

We'd like:

1 Zealous-class superdreadnought (175 billion)
400 Coastal Defense railguns (480 million)

Money to be wired upon confirmation. (I use a regional military.)

The Macabees

29-01-2006, 18:45

To: Altistan

Very good choices with the equipment, and of course, it has been confirmed with utmost prudency. The single Zealous class Superdreadnought will arrive within twenty-four months, fully operational and ready for battle, while the four hundred railguns will arrive within four months, and can be set up within the year by your own engineers. We thank you for the purchase, and welcome you to Kriegzimmer, since we see this is your first time here. We're always glad to see new faces, and we're even happier when those same faces turn old to us; in other words, we hope you come back!

[signed]Kriegzimmer Board

Altistan

29-01-2006, 20:41

Rest assured that if I ever need superdreadnoughts, you'll be the first one I'll look at.

Ripp

29-01-2006, 20:51

The United Socialist States of Ripp would like to place an order of

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1x Indestructable class Aircraft Carrier
4x Illium class Destroyer
3x Seydlitz class Cruiser
4x Paramount class Air Defense Vessel
5x Pepperbox class Logistical Suppor Vessel
125x Lu-25 Black Mariah STOVL Multi-Role Aircraft

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This order comes to a total of $16,450,000,000 but since we are a small country we cannot afford to pay this upfront and would like to offer a payment plan where the total amout will be payed withing 20 years.

Also we would like to offer you a new technology that we have invented. It is a new jet engin. In said engin the fan blades on the intake are curved and are more streamline, allowing more air to be pulled into the jet. This results in an 20% increase in thrust and will propel your jets to a speed not yet reached by current jet engins. Also the blades are made of a composit and are much lighter allowing for bigger engins for the same plane, this also supprisingly cuts the cost of the engin.

Signed
General Joey Haack
U.S.S.Rp

Pushka

29-01-2006, 21:56

We would like to purchase 43 Aircraft Carrier Packages and 16 Submergible Packages.

Cost: 1462.57 billion USD

Money to be wired upon confirmation of the order.

Tyrandis

30-01-2006, 00:28

To: Kriegzimmer Board
From: Tyrandis Precision Machine Import/Export Corporation

The previous delivery of AAM.176 was duly received, and deployed to frontline units of the Tyrandis Imperial Air Force. User response for these excellently done weapons has been uniformly positive; based on an anonymous survey of TIAF pilots, 75% of those asked have stated the quality of the missiles were "excellent" or "very good". We are confident, therefore, that our next purchase from Kriegzimmer Corporation will be just as satisfactory as our first one.

TPMI/EC has been authorized by the Department of Defense to procure a new manportable anti-tank system for our somewhat neglected Army. As such, we would like to order two hundred and fifty thousand Tagus Anti Tank Missile systems. We would also like to inquire if production rights to the ammunition this weapon uses are available.

Pending confirmation of the order, TPMI/EC will wire $6.25 bn USD to your corporate accounts.

The Macabees

30-01-2006, 03:46

To: General Joey Haack, U.S.S.Rp

Welcome to Kriegzimmer! The order is confirmed, and the payment plan has been accepted. In other words, we're expecting the total of 16.45 billion USD through the next twenty years. The Indestructable will be completed within sixteen months, while the Seydlitz and Illiums will be completed within the next twelve months, built simultanuously. The Paramounts and the Pepperboxes will be completed in thirteen months, and finally, the one hundred and twenty five Black Mariahs will be completed and shipped before the month's end. We guarantee the quality of these weapons, and guarantee that they will be of great service within your armed forces, whether your military is one oriented towards the offense, or defensive in nature.

As for your offer of the engine, we would have to look into it a bit more. If you're interested, you can get the design looked over by an international organization of engineers, without worries about copyright problems, at the Draftroom (http://s13.invisionfree.com/the_NS_Draftroom), where me moderate the discussions, along with others. Nevertheless, we're not avid users of the turbojet, so as opposed to a seperate fan blade on the intake we use the blisk, which is a unified fan, making it lighter, cheaper to replace, and much more effective. Furthermore, as opposed to bringing in more air, we're more worried about compressing the air, which is what the fan is for, meaning combustion will be much more effecient. Nevertheless, your idea might be sound, but before anybody makes any deals we would rather have you go over it in the Draftroom. We're sorry for any inconvenience this might have caused.

[signed]Kriegzimmer Board

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To: Pushka
Welcome once again to Kriegzimmer. That's a might huge order, and will take some time to complete. The best offer we can divulge is three aircraft carrier packages were two years, with three submergible packages a year; meaning, the submergible packages will be created within five and a half years, and the carrier packages within twenty-eight years [bah, because this is RP, just assume it's sooner]. We so many naval orders it's difficult to accelerate construction. We could build a Kriegzimmer factory in Pushka, accelerating the order once the construction is finished [that could be anywhere between five to ten years], and on future orders it would garner you fifty percent off; fifty percent off on all if you allott a factory location at least twenty squared kilometers large [which is absolutely huge]. It's an offer put on the table; if accepted, the order can be completed within only eighteen years, as opposed to twenty-eight. We hope you consider it.

[signed]Kriegzimmer Board

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To: Tyrandis Precision Machine Import/Export Corporation
We're glad that your pilots, fliers of a wonderful series of aircraft, liked the AAM.176 BVRAAM. We can confirm the order for Tagus anti-tank missile launchers, which will be sent in batches of one hundred thousand a month, meaning the entire order will be completed within 2.5 months; the production rights for the missile can be sold for fifty million. We hope that this is a deal that can be accepted; if not, we are willing to negotiate a price further. Thank you for returning to Kriegzimmer.

[signed]Kriegzimmer Board

Pushka

30-01-2006, 03:58

To: Pushka
Welcome once again to Kriegzimmer. That's a might huge order, and will take some time to complete. The best offer we can divulge is three aircraft carrier packages were two years, with three submergible packages a year; meaning, the submergible packages will be created within five and a half years, and the carrier packages within twenty-eight years [bah, because this is RP, just assume it's sooner]. We so many naval orders it's difficult to accelerate construction. We could build a Kriegzimmer factory in Pushka, accelerating the order once the construction is finished [that could be anywhere between five to ten years], and on future orders it would garner you fifty percent off; fifty percent off on all if you allott a factory location at least twenty squared kilometers large [which is absolutely huge]. It's an offer put on the table; if accepted, the order can be completed within only eighteen years, as opposed to twenty-eight. We hope you consider it.

[signed]Kriegzimmer Board

OOC: nobody cancelled fluid time i hope. Also how many marines can i fit on one carrier?

IC:

After careful review of the offer we see it as reasonable and agree to sign a written contact that will complete this deal.

Russian Federation Ministry of Foreign Affairs.

Altistan

30-01-2006, 18:24

Hi again. We'd like another Zealous-class superdreadnought (175 billion.)

Money to be wired on confirmation.

The Macabees

30-01-2006, 20:55

[OOC: Pushka, I dunno, I really worked that out, since I've never done it before. The carrier, I would assume, is not readily built to bed marines, but I'm guessing that if you wanted to, you could take out say a tenth of the aircraft [you'll still get to fly quite a bit of aircraft off], and fit improvised quarters there, and maybe be able to carry up to two thousand.]

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To: Altistan
Welcome back! The order, of course, has been confirmed, and the Zealous class Superdreadnought should arrive two months after the previously ordered Zealous, since they will be built simultanuously, although this one's construction will have begun a bit later. Nonetheless, our ample industry throughout the world, hosted by a wide variety of countries, has the power to produce more than a single nation, and so this should be no problem for us. Thank you for your order!

[signed]Kriegzimmer Board

Spizania

30-01-2006, 23:54

The confederate States of Spizania wishes to order ten thousand Kridug SPHs, we ask whether it would be possible for them to be reffited to 105mm ETC? regardless the payment has been wired.

The Macabees

31-01-2006, 19:35

To: Spizania
The order for ten thousand Krigud SPH has been confirmed, and as requested, the guns will be replaced by 105mm cannons, allowing for a greater rate of fire, et cetera. Thank you for yet another order.

[signed]Kriegzimmer Board

Southeastasia

31-01-2006, 21:21

OOC: I was asking for which stat calculator do you use for your nation (i.e. Sunset), not that type of calculator you use to assist in your homework Macabees.

Altistan

01-02-2006, 00:08

We'd like to order another Zealous-class superdreadnought.

175 billion to be wired on confirmation.

Spizania

01-02-2006, 23:44

The Confederate States of Spizania wishes to purchase fifteen thousand Wolverine Light tanks, if possible those used until recently by the Ejermacht. We would also like the guns to be replaced with 105mm ETC Rifled Bores to allow for use in a bombardment role

The Macabees

02-02-2006, 01:49

Southeast Asia: Oops, sorry, I use NS Economy at Thirdgeek.

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To: Altistan
This newest order for a Zealous class Superdreadnought, has, of course, been confirmed, meaning that the Zealous will be manufactured and comissioned within twenty months - or, just under two years. We thank you for the newest order, and watch with pride at your quickly expanding navy. It is our pleasure to do business with Altistan.

[signed]Kriegzimmer Board

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To: The Confederate States of Spizania
Your order for the fifteen thousand Wolverine Light Tanks has been confirmed. Around eight thousand will be from the Ejermacht, and all of them will have their main guns replaced by the rifled bore ETC of the same bore size. The entire order will be completed within the year.

[signed]Kriegzimmer Board

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Open Communiqué
Under funding from a third party, Kriegzimmer is looking for able bodied men to be contracted to the conglomerate for a period of fifteen years, two of which shall be spent in pure training. We are looking for as many as possible, and all shall be outfitted with Kriegzimmer ordnance. Their whereabouts is confidential, however. Nevertheless, Kriegzimmer shall fill out up to date, and accurate, reports on the conditions of foreign citizens within the new Kriegzimmer mercenary force. Kriegzimmer will pay both the contractor, and the soldiers, extremely well. We await your letters!

The Macabees

02-02-2006, 01:49

Arca II Ashurbanipal Light Battle Tank

Background: The Arca. [ArmechCarrier in Dienstadi] II Ashurbanipal was first envisioned during a competition devised by the military of Willink, and the final decision to research and design the Ashurbanipal was made after the fiasco of the Battle of La Gloria, during the War of Golden Succession, in Zarbia. The Ashurbanipal was envisioned as a light and fast alternative to the Arca. I Cougar, the mainstay battle tank of the Ejermacht, perfect for the jungle warfare which had rendered the Cougar useless at La Gloria. In fact, the majority of the Cougars deployed to fight Zarbian armour in the area had been stopped, not by Zarbian gunnery, but by the mud and rain of the jungle. In other words, an alternate, lighter design was imperative. The Ejermacht had opted for the procurement of more Wolverines, but the design was simply too heavy, and Kriegzimmer itched for a new armoured design to compliment the Arca. I, and the soon to come Arca. IV. The Wolverine had also faced bad press after their inability to stop the Weigari encirclement of three Waffen-SS divisions at the First Battle of Mons Dei, which had effectively ended their service within the ranks of the Ejermacht, although the last Wolverine was not decomissioned until early 2017.

Combat operations, especially in the Macabee doctrine of war, have always expressed the need for a light tank variant, and this became even more obvious after La Gloria and the First Battle of Mons Dei. Operation Diadem, which marked the operation into Zarbia, August 2016, saw the demise of the claimed invincibility of the Arca. I Cougar MBT, although the same tank preformed wonderfully at the Battle of Mosnoi Bor, at the Gates of Hell, and at Ishme-Dagan. Nevertheless, even during the first days of Operation Diadem the advance was slowed due to tanks entrenching themselves in the mud, and having to be pulled out, during the effort to break the Zarbian army the armoured fist was invariably stalled by tanks sinking into the jungle's turf, allowing some Zarbian units to escape. It was only through the tenacity of Macabee infantry and infantry fighting vehicles that La Gloria did not turn into a total debacle. Although the battle was won, it did seriously hamper the velocity of the invasion, and it would ultimately spell the death to many men, most of which would succumb to the diseases of Zarbia.

On 17 August, 2016, Kriegzimmer's top armoured engineers, most of which had worked on the Cougar, met at Choybalsan to discuss the future of light armour. The conference would last until 24 August, 2016, and it would set the perameters for the Ashurbanipal project. The first units of the Ashurbanipal rolled off the production line on 9 March 2017, being put into battle sometime later. The Ashurbanipal is envisioned to remain in service well into the 30s and 40s. By January 2018 the Ejermacht had procured some three thousand Arca. IIs, spread over fifteen cavalry divisions, as opposed to the heavier, much more concentrated, armour divisions. Although there are proponents of using the Ashurbanipal and the Cougar together, the Ejermacht has opted not to, and instead reserve each for their specific use - depending on the foe and terrain. In any case, the Ejermacht has expressed that if combined arms is necessary, the two divisions can act in cooperation, as opposed to merging both into one - or how many divisions may be in question.

Armament: The main armament of the Arca II Ashurbanipal is a 105mm high velocity projectile cannon, chosen over the electro-thermal chemical cannon used on the Wolverine. The gun is fully rifled, being considered more of an infantry support tank, as opposed to a tank meant to successfully stand up against heavier armoured designs, although the magnum configuration of the propellant does not make it totally worthless in that respect. The gun is forty calibres long, comming to a length of 4.2 meters, and is fed by a 'rifle clip' autoloader, which holds forty explosively formed penetrators [EFP],for anti-tank work, or simple high explosive [HE] shells. The total length of the tank, including the gun parallel to the ground, comes to 12.6 meters. The main gun provides a powerful service for infantry support, and can hold its own in anti-armour warfare.

Secondary armament includes two 7.92mm heavy machineguns, the first being placed as an independent armament on the rear of the turret, used by the commander, and the other, for the driver, placed at the front. The main gun is also supplimented with a 12.7mm co-axial machinegun, used by the gunner. The turret also holds a small 40mm automatic grenade launcher, used to fire mostly illumination rounds, although it also offers fire suppression services. The gun is blowback operated, and air-cooled, offering a rate of fire of sixty grenades per minute, being belt fed, with a maximum range of 2,200 meters.

Armour: The Ashurbanipal offers 200mm of real thickness chobham, offering up to 450mm of rolled homogenous armour equivalent on the turret, and 400mm on the glacis, with around 200mm on the side, and finally, 150mm on the rear. On top of this, the Ashurbanipal features an insulation layer, which allows for an independent reaction for the final top layer of enhanced appliqué armor kit [EAAK]. Although relatively heavy for a light tank, it is all built within the context of ultra modern main battle tanks, which sometimes feature over thousand millimeters of RHAe for KE threats. The Arca. II should give a maximum protection of around 500mm RHAe against KE threats, and around 1000mm against CE threats, which gives it ample protection against small time, yet still deadly, threats like the more modern rocket propelled grenades.

Sensor Equipment: The principle sensor on the Arca. II is the the intigrated infra-red camera, with millimetric wave radar, along with a standard foward looking infra-red [FLIR] rangefinder. This allows for near automatic target recognition and identification, which is displayed on a series of liquid crystal displays, seen by both the gunner and the commander, which also makes use of Multi Function Laser-Based DAS for greater target identification. The commander can also make use of a 360-degree panospheric imaging system, using a retractable photonic camera. This offers a more interactive camera system for the tank, although there are eight other photonic cameras embedded along the tank's chassis and turret to allow for a three hundred and sixty degree view around the tank.

Both the command and the driver function on a fully interactive display of targets, while the commander also has an ample informative screen on his sorroundings, as well as a helmet mounted display, fed by the 360-degree panospheric imaging system. In other words, reaction time for the commander, gunner and driver, alike, has been increased with an improvement of the tank's sensors and electronic systems. All three also have the ability of nightsight and thermal imaging, which was especially important in a dark, jungle-like enviroment.

Power Plant:
The Ashurbanipal makes use of a 700 break-horsepower gasoline turbine engine, providing sufficient power for a velocity of up to ninety kilometers per hour on-road, and about seventy-five kilometers off-road, and finally around twenty kilometers per hour on reverse.

Statistics:
Crew: 3 [Driver, Commander and Gunner]
Vehicle Armament:
-1x 105mm HPV Cannon
-2x 7.92mm machineguns
-1x 40mm Automatic Grenade Launcher
-1x 12.7mm Co-axial
Ammunition:
-40 rounds for the maingun
-800 rounds per machinegun
Length, Hull: 8.4m
Width: 3.01m
Height Overall: 2.08m
Ground Clearance: 0.51m
Weight, Combat: 29 tons
Weight, Empty: 20 tons
Turret Traverse: 360
Engine: 700 bhp gas turbine
Maximum Horsepower: 700 bhp
Maximum Road Speed: 90 km/hr
Maximum Reverse Road Speed: 25 km/hr
Maximum Off-Road Speed: 75 km/hr
Acceleration, 0km/hr to 65km/hr: 13 sec
Maximum Range: 420 km
Armour Type: Composite
RHA: ca. 500mm RHAe vs. KE; ca. 1,000mm vs. CE
NBC System: CC/COP-30, 3x IDV-5
Night Vision Equipment: Yes (Driver, Commander, And Gunner)
Cost: 4.2 million USD

Spizania

02-02-2006, 19:54

The Confederate States of Spizania wishes to purchase 3500 Arca II Ashurbanipal Light Battle Tanks with standard armaments, aswell as a further 1500 Refitted with an automatic 87mm Mortar instead of the main gun.

The Confederate States Foreign Legion also has available a surplus of one hundred and eighty thousand abled bodied Arabanistanis who are available for service with Kriegzimmer

The Macabees

03-02-2006, 02:18

To: The Confederate States of Spizania
The order for 3,500 Arca. II Ashurbanipal Light Tanks has been confirmed, while another 1,500 shall be manufactured, but instead comissioned with an automatic 87mm mortar. Regardless of armament, they will be built at a rate of three hundred per month, meaning the entire order will be completed within seventeen months. They will be batched by the month, however, meaning you can form them into respective units as quickly as you want. As for the 180,000 able bodied men, from Arabanistan, Kriegzimmer will like to purchase them as mercenaries for the next twenty years at a rate of Ŗ20,000, meaning it would come to a totally of Ŗ3.6 billion. Hopefully, this can do. Good to do business with you, as always.

[signed]Kriegzimmer Board

Southeastasia

03-02-2006, 03:36

OOC: Altistan, unless you're an oldbie in a reincarnated form, don't you think that having that amount of SDs is going to affect your other military departments?

Allanea

04-02-2006, 12:18

Official announcement of the United States Department of Defense

We seek to purchase 10 Indestructible-class aircraft carriers, 10 Pepperbox logistical support vehicles, and 9 Elusive-class battleships, as well as 1,000 Kri-Gud self-propelled artillery guns and 10,000 Panzerwerfer M-2000 MRLS launchers.

That's all for now, folks!

132 billion Universal Standard Dollars in cash will be transferred once the deal is made.

The Macabees

04-02-2006, 18:59

To: United States Department of Defense

We welcome the United States of Allanea to Kriegzimmer. We are honored by your presence, and without a doubt, will confirm the order - there is, in fact, no reason not to. The ten Indestructables will be laid down at a rate of five simultanuously, this year, meaning they will be comissioned within thirteen months, while the other five will be laid down in five months, meaning they will be completed within eighteen months. The ten Pepperbox LSVs will be completed within the next ten months, and the nine Elusive class Battleships, which will be prepared in the Halberdgardian factories - in their territories - will be completed within twenty-six months. The 1,000 KriGud Self-Propelled Howitzers will be completed and sent within two months, and finally the ten thousand Pzw. M-2000 MRLS will be completed and packaged in batches of a thousand per month, meaning the entire order for this specific unit will be completed in ten months.

Thank you for the order and for the business.

[signed]Kriegzimmer Board

Kilani

05-02-2006, 00:07

To: Kriegzimmer Storefron

From: People's Army of Kilani Quartermaster Division

Subject: PUrchase

To the esteemed Kriegzimmer Storefront,

Kilani is embarking on a modernization of it's military. We currently lack up-to-date tanks and hardware. Although the AK-107 has seved us well, we believe it is time to upgrade to a more modern assualt rifle, as well as a more modern tank and APC.

As such, we would like to place the following order:

*Production rights to the Hali-42 Assault Rifle (3.2 Million USD)

*600 Arca. I Cougar Main Battle Tanks (7.2 Billion USD)

*800 Arca II Ashurbanipal Light Battle Tanks (3.36 billion USD)

*3,000 Arica. I 'Shalmaneser' Heavy Armoured Personnel Carriers (9.6 Billion USD)

*Production rights, plus 100 Lu-45 Hawk Air Superiority Aircraft (57 Billion USD)

*10 Lu-12 Canary Tactical Strike Fighter (180 Million USD)

*Production rights to the GLI-76 Falcon VTOL Multi-Role Fighter (32 Billion USD)

TOTAL:

$109,583,200,000 USD

This will of course tke up a large portion of our defense budget. We Thank you for your business and expecct to reutrn next year to purchase more aircraft.

Yours,

[signed]Marshal Ivan Markius, Head of the People's Army of Kilani Quartermaster Division

[OOC: Everything that we didn't buy the production rights to, the Kilani government will of course attempt to reverse engineer.]

Southeastasia

05-02-2006, 08:16

bump

Corzia

05-02-2006, 18:47

Greetings! Corzia is in the process of scraping theold Wolverine LBT and needs 8 000 Arca II Ashurbanipal Light Battle Tanks. Our total should be USD 16 800 000 000 (with discount).

The Macabees

05-02-2006, 22:53

To: People's Army of Kilani Quartermaster Division
Welcome to Kriegzimmer, people of Kilani,

We understand the concern for modernization, and appreciate that you came to Kriegzimmer for said modernization of your armed forces. You certainly made an excellent choice, and you will never regret it. The order, of course, has been confirmed, and if there is problems with the payment, we can always take it in installations, without worries of interest; Kriegzimmer worries about the customer, not the money. With that said, we'll give you a listing of estimated times of arrival: the 600 Arca. I Cougars will arrive within forty-five days, along with the Arca. IIs, and the Arica. I Shalmaneser's will arrive within six months. The 100 Lu-45s will be completed and sent within the month, and their production rights telegrammed immediately, along with the ten Lu-12 Canaries and the production rights to the GLI-76 Falcons and Hali-42 Assault Rifles. Thank you for your esteemed business.

[signed]Kriegzimmer Board

[OOC: Hehehe, yes, and I can't/won't stop you. However, if I could ask you, OOCly, not to sell it on your own, because I put time into the designs. But, other than that, I don't mind if you reverse engineer it and build it on your own, while if you use some of the designs to add to home designs later on, if you give a little OOC credit. Thank you.]

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To: The Allied States of Corzia
Welcome back dear customers of Corzia,

The order, of course, has been confirmed without any prior hesitation. The Arca. II Ashurbanipal Light Tanks will be completed at the rate of five hundred per month, meaning the entire order will be completed within sixteen months. We would escalate production, and include production from other factories, but we have received many recent orders for the Asurbanipal and consequently, cannot prioritize for any given country at this time - we apologize for the inconvinience. Nevertheless, we guarantee you happiness with the design, and we give you, again, our thanks for your business.

[signed]Kriegzimmer Board

Southeastasia

05-02-2006, 23:05

OOC: Mac, have you finished the custom design for The Thirteen Tribes? Because I have a couple of projects for you.

The Macabees

05-02-2006, 23:09

[OOC: Go for it, he hasn't come back for his APC, and it seemed he just wanted the helicopters. So, shoot.]

Southeastasia

06-02-2006, 09:10

TO: Kriegzimmer Board
FROM: USNSEA Minister of Defense Paul David Nettleton
SUBJECT: Battlecruiser

Greetings once again,

I am sure that the Empire of the Golden Throne's navy have long been desiring for a battlecruiser in their fleet. My, my, so have the admirals in the Southeast Asian Navy, whom have been talking about getting some for our fleet. Ravenholm Shipyards, founded and based in Democratic States of Wingarde, has denied our request for a custom battlecruiser design. Hopefully you will accept this request, will you, and design one fitting for both of our nation's navies?

Encrypted Transmission [DECLASSIFIED]

The United Sovereign Nations of Southeast Asia has been looking for a worthy battlecruiser for her navy, but so far none have been appealing to her. We see potential in Wingarde's Ravenholm Shipyards, perhaps one day it shall be in the world-class likes of Sarzonia's Portland Iron Works and Praetonia's Imperial Praetonian Shipyards. On the behalf of extending Wingardian-Southeast Asian relations, we would like to offer Ravenhom Shipyards a weapons contract.

During World War II, a German scheme entitled the 'Z-Plan' was to create a new generation of fine vessels for the Kriegsmarine to replace the loss of their great vessels, a famous example being the Bismarck. Alas, that was never carried out due to logistical reasons and the fact that Germany was on the dark side. So it was inevitable that it would lose. But as we view the Kreuzer P designs (http://www.german-navy.de/kriegsmarine/zplan/battlecruisers/index.html) as in needing of a mere modernization to challenge other battlecruisers, we shall pay fifteen billion (OOC: USD) for one vessel.

End Transmission[DECLASSIFIED]

Make preferably a design based on it, or if you can't, a good modernization and refit, please.

Yours Truly,
His Excellency,
USNSEA Minister of Defense
Paul David Nettleton

Crimson Wraith

06-02-2006, 09:55

The Armed Republic of Crimson Wraith, in an interest to further secure its borders, has bestowed upon me defense funds in order to maintain our interests.

As acting Supreme Military Commander, I request of Kreigzimmer the following:

400 GH-31 12.7mm High Powered Sniper Rifles at 9,000 USD each.
Total cost: 3,600,000 USD

2,000 Hali-37 Assault Rifles at 2,000 USD each.
Total cost: 4,000,000 USD

4,000 ATG-44 Anti-Tank mines at 300 USD each.
Total cost: 1,200,000 USD

<B>Cost of Purchase: 8,800,000 USD</B>

Prefect Justin Goradeff
Supreme Military Commander, ARoCW

Velkya

06-02-2006, 16:17

From: Allied Union Air Force Foreign Procurement Office
To: Kriegzimmer Board

After searching many other nation's inventories for a fighter suitable to replace the ISF-2N Sea Valkyrie and the ISF-2 Valkyrie in it's inventories, the Allied Union Grand Senate has approved your Lu-45 Hawk (designated ISF-8 Hawk by the Air Force Aircraft Identification Board) for use in Velkyan sqaudrons deployed around the world. With your consent, we would like to purchase production rights to this admirable aircraft, as well as the mandatory one hundred aircraft purchase nessecary for said rights. If this is not allowable, please notify us immediatly. The purchase will come to 107 billion dollars, which will be wired via encrypted channels once the order has been confirmed.

Signed,

Malcom Provistad, AUAFFPO

OOC: Your storefront lists that no production rights may be procured, but the individual profiles for the products list production rights. Wassup wit dat?

The Macabees

06-02-2006, 17:12

To: Paul David Nettleton, USNSEA Minister of Defense
It's unfortunate that Ravenholm Shipyards decided not to take you up on your offer; at least for Ravenholm. Was there a specific reason why they failed to take the project? But, regardless, Kriegzimmer would be more than happy to take the project, fund it, and sell it, and we're sure the the Kriermada will also fund a project to design a battlecruiser. But, we feel that first we should research within USNSEA on what exacly is expected, and wanted. In other words, is there an expected displacement? The Schlachtkreuzer P, as you probably know, was expected at thirty-five thousand tons, so it would be understandable if weight increased due to modernization, including upgunning the design. We, at Kriegzimmer, feel that the guns would have to be at least sixteen inches in bore in order to stand a chance on the high seas against other modern navies. This would ultimately translate into a displacement of at least forty-five thousand tons to fifty thousand tons. A nuclear reactor alone would weigh at least six thousand tons. With that said, what is USNSEA looking for in terms of calibre of the guns, specific missions, et cetera?

[signed]Kriegzimmer Board

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To: Prefect Justin Goradeff, The Armed Republic of Crimson Wraith
Welcome to Kriegzimmer. We're glad that the Armed Republic was looked into Kriegzimmer for their armaments modernization. The order, of course, has been confirmed. The four thousand GH-31, the two thousand Hali-37 and the four thousand ATG-44 will all arrive within the month. We thank you for your business!

[signed]Kriegzimmer Board

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To: Allied Union Air Force Foreign Procurement Office
[OOC: Yea, hehe, I should really change the front page.]

We're glad that you looked into Kriegzimmer and its Lu-45 Hawk as a replacement to your ISF-2 Valkyrie. The purchase, of course, has been confirmed and the production rights will arrive within the next day, through encrypted telegrams, while the one hundred Lu-45 Hawks will arrive within the month. But yes, the order is entirely possible and Kriegzimmer actually does offer production rights on all products, despite what the front page of the catalogue says. The catalogue is quasi out of date, although all current products are listed. Nevertheless, thank you for your business.

[signed]Kriegzimmer Board

Risban

06-02-2006, 17:22

To: Kriegzimmer Board

Noble friends,

We wish to make several purchases. Our order is the following:

1,000 BDU-64 Samson Battlesuits
5 Arca. I Cougar tanks
1 Zealous Class Dreadnought with full compliment of aircraft
2 Valencia Class SSKs
5,000 Hali-37 Assault Rifles
2,500 Hali-21 Assault Rifles

Furthermore, his Imperial Majesty Emperor Scorpius II extends an offer to allow you to build a naval factory within the Grand Imperium of Risban. Given our naval forte, we believe it would be mutually beneficial for such an exchange. The factory would, of course, be protected full-time by the Imperial military.

Sincerely,
Lucius Thrantir, Minister for Trade

Mauvasia

06-02-2006, 18:54

[OOC: I'd like to make a purchase, but despite my best efforts, NSEconomy still insists I don't have a defence budget. That and a general lack of detail in the calculator led me to reconstitute my national budget in a more reasonable sense. Would my budget (in factbook, linked in sig) be accepted for a purchase? I assure you it is not a completely unreasonable thing (such as 82% defence or something).]

Velkya

06-02-2006, 19:02

OOC: Hey, you should make more packages (like artillery and air force ones).
Allied Union Army Foreign Procurement Office

Following Senate approval, we also would like to seek production rights for the following vehicles:

-150mm Panzerwerfer M-2000 MRLS

-155mm Incinérateur Rapid Firing Artillery Gun

-Praetorian II Mobile Surface to Air Missile Battery

-KriGud Self Propelled Artillery Gun

-Corbulo Self-Propelled 155mm Field Gun

Since these weapons do not have a listed production rights price, we would like to put forth a offer of $500 billion. Should this be unsatisfactory, please notify us.

Signed, Gary Powers, AUAFPO

Kilani

06-02-2006, 23:45

[OOC: Hehehe, yes, and I can't/won't stop you. However, if I could ask you, OOCly, not to sell it on your own, because I put time into the designs. But, other than that, I don't mind if you reverse engineer it and build it on your own, while if you use some of the designs to add to home designs later on, if you give a little OOC credit. Thank you.]

[OOC: Of course. I don't intend on selling them. I probably will come up with my own home designs based on these, hoever. I will credit you if/when I do. I did a quick calculation and it turns out I have tons of money left in my defense budget. >>]

IC:

Money wired.

The Macabees

07-02-2006, 01:33

To: Lucius Thrantir, Minister for Trade, Risban
Welcome to Kriegzimmer allies of the Empire! First of all, your order is confirmed without hesitation. With that said, the one thousand BDU-64 Samsons will arrive within the month, along with the five Arca. I Cougars, and the assortment of Hali-37s and Hali-21s. The Zealous will be completed within eighteen months, and the two Valencias simultanuously within fourteen months. We guarantee the quality of our weapons, always.

Second of all, the offer for construction of a naval factory in Risban has been confirmed, and when this factory is completed, Risban shall receive all naval orders fifty percent off, since it's technically much cheaper to construct and send goods to you in that case. In that respect, the deal is very mutually beneficial.

Thank you for your business and time.

[signed]Kriegzimmer Board

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Mauvasia: You can always argue that it is private institutions that are arming your nation's military. Thus, it wouldn't be the government's money. Of course, there would be loyalty issues and issues concerning your government's loyalty to big business, or certain businesses, but until you have a defense budget, it works. If not, yes we can go by your factbook.

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To: Gary Powers, AUAFPO, Velkya

[OOC: Yes, I should. But I'm lazy; but I will at some point.]

Welcome back! Your order, of course, has been confirmed and Kriegzimmer is willing to sell production rights for all products listed at a grand total of thirty billion United States Dollars. If the price is confirmed then all information dealing with the production of the units listed will be sent in an encrypted databurst to your central command, wherever that might be, under whatever name, within the next day. The price is negotiable, however. With that said, thank you for your business.

[signed]Kriegzimmer Board

Jagada

07-02-2006, 01:39

To: Kreigzimmer
From: Imperial Ordiance-Trinity Empire of Jagada
Subject: Production Rights

Its been awhile, after seven years of civil war in Jagada, we've finally restablished order. We are about to begin the continued mass production of the Hali-21 Rifles only to learn they've been replaced by such weapons as the Hali-48 and DR-83. As such, we'd like to like to purchase the production rights of the Hali-48. For the cost of 3.2million, or whatever it is you are now charging for it.

Money shall be wired upon confirmation.

Mauvasia

07-02-2006, 03:16

Mauvasia: You can always argue that it is private institutions that are arming your nation's military. Thus, it wouldn't be the government's money. Of course, there would be loyalty issues and issues concerning your government's loyalty to big business, or certain businesses, but until you have a defense budget, it works. If not, yes we can go by your factbook.

[OOC: The only minor problem with this would be that we're a socialist country, and large corporations of the type described are restricted to such a degree that it would be impossible for them to have anything whatsoever to do with the government... so I think I'll use the factbook for now.]

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y57/Mauvasia/coat_of_arms.jpg
Official Communiqué from the Mauvasian Department of Defence
To: Kriegzimmer Board
Encryption: None

Greetings from the Imperial Democratic Republic of Mauvasia!

We are currently working on developing our military, which has experienced a severe shortage of high-quality equipment. To alleviate this problem, we sought to import from top arms manufacturing corporations, and Kriegzimmer was repeatedly cited as a leader in military arms production. We therefore wish to purchase the following selection of items for our land forces:

1,500x Arca. I Cougar Ausfva. A Main Battle Tank
2,000x Pzkmpf. XII Wolverine Light Tank
1,500x Hyena Anti-tank Vehicle
50,000x BDU-64 Samson Battle Suit
18,000x Arica. I Shalmaneser Heavy APC
18,000x Praetorian II Mobile SAM Launcher
200x 400mm Coastal Rail Gun
5,000x Panzerwerfer 150mm M-2000 MRLS

The total should come to approximately $133,940,000,000.00; the funds will be wired upon confirmation.

We hope to do business again in the near future with Kriegzimmer if we find the products satisfactory.

Louis D'Hiver
Chairman, Mauvasian Department of Defence

The Macabees

07-02-2006, 06:07

[OOC: Jagada, I thought you let this nation die?]

To: Imperial Ordinance-Trinity Empire of Jagada
We're glad to hear that the Jagadan civil war is over, although it did indeed scare us when it began - especially since Jagada and the Empire were at war prior to the civil war. The price for production rights has not changed, and therefore the order has been confirmed for 3.2 million dollars. All information pertaining to the production of the rifle will be delivered within the day through an encrypted transmission. We're sure that the Jagadan military will do aptly with the design, and we're sure that it will carry the country through to a bright future. And, you do not stand alone; Kriegzimmer stands with you!

[signed]Kriegzimmer Board

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To: Mauvasian Department of Defence
Welcome to Kriegzimmer! We're glad that Mauvasia chose Kriegzimmer as one of its armament suppliers, and Kriegzimmer is glad to act as such. If we may ask, however, who pointed you towards Kriegzimmer, as we are always excited about who are our fans. Nevertheless, your order has been confirmed, of course. The 1,500 Arca. I Cougars will arrive in three batches of 500 tanks per month, while the Wolverines and Hyenas will arrive at the same rate, but in four and three months respectively. That said, the BDUs will arrive a 5,000 per month, and will complete in ten months. The Arica. IIs will arrive at the same rate as the other armour, at 500 per month, meaning that the entire order will complete in thirty-six months, while the Praetorians will arrive at a rate of one thousand per month, or in eighteen months. The 200 coastal railguns will arrive within five months, and finally, the Panzerwaffer M-2000s will arrive in batches of five hundred per month, completing the order in ten months. Hopefully this time table is sufficient; if not, we may working something out.

We thank you for your etiquette, and for your kind words, and for your business. Kriegzimmer hopes to see you back. We are sure that you will find our products more than satisfactory. If you have any questions to anything technological [OOC: mostly OOC probably] then please, do not hesitate to ask.

[signed]Kriegzimmer Board

1st Devine Imperium

07-02-2006, 07:51

Large contract being offered. If you are intrested visit this link.
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=467492

Southeastasia

07-02-2006, 08:32

To: Paul David Nettleton, USNSEA Minister of Defense
It's unfortunate that Ravenholm Shipyards decided not to take you up on your offer; at least for Ravenholm. Was there a specific reason why they failed to take the project? But, regardless, Kriegzimmer would be more than happy to take the project, fund it, and sell it, and we're sure the the Kriermada will also fund a project to design a battlecruiser. But, we feel that first we should research within USNSEA on what exacly is expected, and wanted. In other words, is there an expected displacement? The Schlachtkreuzer P, as you probably know, was expected at thirty-five thousand tons, so it would be understandable if weight increased due to modernization, including upgunning the design. We, at Kriegzimmer, feel that the guns would have to be at least sixteen inches in bore in order to stand a chance on the high seas against other modern navies. This would ultimately translate into a displacement of at least forty-five thousand tons to fifty thousand tons. A nuclear reactor alone would weigh at least six thousand tons. With that said, what is USNSEA looking for in terms of calibre of the guns, specific missions, et cetera?

[signed]Kriegzimmer Board
TO: Kriegzimmer Board
FROM: Paul David Nettleton, USNSEA Minister of Defense
SUBJECT: Battlecruiser

Dear Board Members of Kriegzimmer,

The reason Ravenholm Shipyards rejected it was because they don't do custom designs. But nevertheless, it doesn't really matter, as your designers are willing to do it, does it?

We are merely asking you to make it more of a tougher battlecruiser to modern standards, especially on today's conflict zones, where things are much more heavier in armor and firepower, if not speed. We are contented with the projected tonnage displacement, and are wish for it to fill a modern battlecruiser role.

Yours Truly,
His Excellency,
USNSEA Minister of Defense
Paul David Nettleton

Mauvasia

07-02-2006, 18:30

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To: Mauvasian Department of Defence
Welcome to Kriegzimmer! We're glad that Mauvasia chose Kriegzimmer as one of its armament suppliers, and Kriegzimmer is glad to act as such. If we may ask, however, who pointed you towards Kriegzimmer, as we are always excited about who are our fans.
[OOC: Southeast Asia in an OOC thread I started some time ago asking for some aid in beginning my role-playing career.]

Nevertheless, your order has been confirmed, of course. The 1,500 Arca. I Cougars will arrive in three batches of 500 tanks per month, while the Wolverines and Hyenas will arrive at the same rate, but in four and three months respectively. That said, the BDUs will arrive a 5,000 per month, and will complete in ten months. The Arica. IIs will arrive at the same rate as the other armour, at 500 per month, meaning that the entire order will complete in thirty-six months, while the Praetorians will arrive at a rate of one thousand per month, or in eighteen months. The 200 coastal railguns will arrive within five months, and finally, the Panzerwaffer M-2000s will arrive in batches of five hundred per month, completing the order in ten months. Hopefully this time table is sufficient; if not, we may working something out.

We thank you for your etiquette, and for your kind words, and for your business. Kriegzimmer hopes to see you back. We are sure that you will find our products more than satisfactory. If you have any questions to anything technological [OOC: mostly OOC probably] then please, do not hesitate to ask.

[signed]Kriegzimmer Board
[OOC: Is that NS or RL time?]

Official Responce from the Mauvasian Department of Defence
To: Kriegzimmer Board
Encryption: None
Re: Order

We find this timetable quite sufficient, and await with great anticipation the arrival of the equipment ordered. We thank you additionally for your swift responce. The appropriate funds have been wired, of course, and we hope to return soon if we are ever in need of any more military equipment.

Louis D'Hiver
Chairman, Mauvasian Department of Defence

The Macabees

07-02-2006, 21:12

[OOC:

Southeast Asia, how does it look? http://s13.invisionfree.com/The_NS_Draftroom/index.php?showtopic=989

And Mauvasia, it's NS time. You can take it like you want - one day is a year, or just use fluid time. I base all my time on my RP scale, and how it progresses through history, for example. In the end, it's really up to you.]

The Macabees

08-02-2006, 01:04

Ingerier class Battlecruiser [BCN]

History: The origins of the Ingerier can be traced back to a Southeast Asian request to Kriegzimmer, which found much popularity within the ranks of the Kriermada. Although the Ingerier had been designed with Southeast Asian interest in mind, the battlecruiser would also become the mainstay battlecruiser of the Kriermada, although it wouldn't become the only one. The Ingerier also spearheaded a spur of research and design within Kriegzimmer for the Kriermada for newer and more ships, replacing several of the older designs which had accompanied the Kriermada since the days of the Great Civil War. That said, the Ingerier would become the first of three battlecruiser designs in Kriegzimmer, which would later continue on to two battleship projects, one dreadnought project, and finally, at least within regards to big guns, a new galleon, the Ferraet class. The first Ingerier class Battlecruisers would serve by 2019 in the Kriermada, although the first ship served in the Southeast Asian navy by late 2018.

There had been many historical stimulations which had finally persuaded the Kriermada to aid Kriegzimmer in the funding of the project, and most of these were directly involved with the War of the Golden Throne. The first of these was the Battle of Targul Frumos, a naval battle off the coast of the city, which pitted up to four Havenite [SafeHaven2] fleets against two Macabee battlegroups, and a host of Killian aircraft based off the city. Although the battle hadn't ended during the beginnings of the project for the Ingerier, it had already illustrated several important factors to the Empire. During Targul Frumos there had been a massive revolution in Macabee naval tactical doctrine, which ultimately aided to bottle up the Havenic fleets in the Bay of Madrasa. This new tactical naval doctrine pinpointed the necessity for fast, yet heavy, naval designs which ultimately translated in the need for a battlecruiser, which could close range and engage an enemy warship with some sort of semblence of rush. Although in the end, Battlegroup Romeo was able to fully bottle up three Havenic fleets in Madrasa, through the use of speed, and the command abilities of the most legendary Macabee naval commander Grand Admiral von Laifsraggen, there was an evident lack of ships that could bring guns heavy enough, fast enough, to provide firepower on the rear of the Havenite armada.

The need for speed was further warranted with the example of the Battle of the Liernat Straits, which saw the Gerfaanlichi juggernaut Republiek Sukep Halmilcar pitted against the Izistani battleship Izistan. Although the battle ended indicisive, it had shown that a lack of velocity could mean the loss of a battle, as the ownership of the Straits had failed to change hands, and it would take Macabee interference to finally rid the Straits from Gerfaanlich's presence. Although the Halmilcar escaped the battle with most of her turrets damaged, and her superstructure failing, the Izistan left with much more damage, drilled through her by the rediculously massive guns of the Halmilcar. It was the lack of speed early in the battle, however, that had forces the Izistan to face the massive guns of the Halmilcar at point blank range, and it was the early suprise which allowed the Halmilcar to put so much lead into her starboard side.

It was the latter Macabee operation to cleanse the Liernat Straits, which would assure Macabee naval supremacy over Gerfaanlich in the colonies, after the Macabee Labarnas had been sunk by the Super Dreadnought Mithradates in the region of Haven. However, again, there was a lack of fast ships with the necessary force to hunt and destroy Gerfaanlichi shipping which ultimately prolonged the operation, and allowed Izistan such a headstart in the ground operations which would mark the demise of Gerfaanlich as a colonial power, although she was still able to ensure her independence from the Golden Throne, despite her multiple defeats during the War of the Golden Succession. Regardless, the issues encountered early on in this specific theater of the War of Golden Succession provided the final prodding necessary for the design and implimentation of a battlecruiser, which would ultimately manifest itself with the commission of the HES Ingerier in 1919, which was follewed soon thereafter by another six of the class.

The Ingerier found its name in history, as the first ship of the class was honored to Grand Admiral Ramos Ingerier who commanded the imperial fleet at the Battle of Xierniot, in 1734, witnessing the imperial victory over the Kingdom of Arras, opening for the invasion of the island some time later. The Ingerier is the first ship to be named after an Imperial admiral, either from the First Empire or the Second Empire.

Statistics:
Length: 266.8m
Beam: 33.35m
Draught: 9.52m
Displacement: 42,446.3 tonnes [46,789 short tons]
Hull Type: Monohull
Machinery:
2x Helga pressurized water reactors [352,000 shp]
4x Waterjets
Maximum Speed: 43 knots
Range: Limited by consumables.
Armour:
381mm belt
406.4mm turret plate
93.98mm deck
Armament:
3x 355.6mm triplemount lightweight high breech pressure turrets
8x Conhort CIWS
6x 88mm AAA
4x Praetorian Batteries
2x Hedgehog Mk. II Mortars
4x 5 cell quadruple rotationary VLS
Electronics:
Vertically deployed TB-2016
TB-163 thin line array
TB-87 short line array
MRT-1 multifunction search radar
MRT-4 surface search radar
KRS-82 fire and control radar
KRS-11 navigation radar
KRS-13 multifunction search radar
MLT-1 lidar array
BST-7 multiple interfece ladar arrays [four total]
KIR-66 infra-red fire array
Aircraft:
1x LAMPS
2x UAV
Crew: 536 naval
Cost: 5.7 billion

Spizania

08-02-2006, 17:48

OOC: Maybe you should merge the foreign and home designed lists into one but keep the different colours, (green for home designed, red for foreign) it would lead to a greater sense of the fact that Kriegzimmer doesnt just put ANY design on its storefront. Plus the foreign designs might sell for once.

Rodenka

09-02-2006, 00:30

To: The Kreigzimmer Corportion
From: Emil von Ostreich, Royal Armaments Beaurau

Dear sirs,

The government of Rodenka is interested in purchasing weaponry from your company, as we are highyl satisfied with our previous purchase of the Halil-42 assault rifle. Following is a list of ourt propose purchases.

-750,000 BDU-64 Samson battlesuits ($3.75 Billion)

-800 Arca. I Cougar Main Battle Tanks ($9.6 Billion)

-1000 Arca. II Ashurbanipal Light Battle Tanks ($4.2 Billion)

-100 Lu-45 Hawk Fighters and Production Rights ($57 Billion)

-12 Lu-12 Canary Tactical Strike Fighters($1.08 Billion)

TOTAL: $75.63 Billion
The money will be wired upon confirmation of the order. His Majesty's Government also wishes to inquire as the price of production rights for the Lu-12 Canary.

Thank you,
[signed] Emil Von Ostreich

The Macabees

09-02-2006, 01:32

To: Emil von Ostreich, Royal Armaments Beaurau, Rodenka
We're glad that the Royal Army found the Hali-42 to their liking, and it pleases us to receive such a positive report. The order, without question, has been confirmed. The 750,000 Samsons will arrive in batches of seventy-five thousand a month, meaning the entire order will be completed within ten months, while the 800 Arca. I Cougars will arrive within two months, as with the Arca. II Ashurbanipals, and both the Lu-45s and Lu-12s will arrive within the month. The production rights for the Lu-12 Canary can be set at 3.5 billion, while we will return exactly 540,000,000 million USD since our price for the Lu-12, now that we take a look at it, was overpriced by 100%. Thank you for your business.

[signed]Kriegzimmer Board

Southeastasia

09-02-2006, 09:59

TO: Kriegzimmer Board
FROM: Paul David Nettleton, Minister of Defense, United Sovereign Nations of Southeast Asia
SUBJECT: Purchase

Greetings again,

The Southeast Asian Navy is impressed, and after approval by the Parliament, they request fifteen units of the Ingrerier-class BCN. The cost of 55,500,000,000 USD shall be wired upon the confirmation of the order.

Also, the Air Force and Army commanders are impressed by the Praetorian II and the Lu-25, their performance in the tests passed beyond flying colors. But unfortunately, the Parliament is still debating on whether the purchase of the production rights is neccessary or not, so it'll have to wait.

Yours Truly,
His Excellency,
USNSEA Minister of Defense
Paul David Nettleton

OOC: Parliament will accept it, but the reason why I said that it was still pending was because I didn't want to type up the purchase of the production rights.

Jagada

09-02-2006, 10:06

Corzia

10-02-2006, 00:01

Hello! Corzia would like to place an order for 20 Ingerier class Battlecruisers to fill a gapping hole in the ACN left by the mothballing of the Alaska class' Third Refit design. our total should be with discount: USD 37 000 000 000.

~Corzia

Halberdgardia

10-02-2006, 00:11

[OOC: Perhaps this could have been TGed to you, Mac, but I just recently switched my Options to subscribe to threads I post in, so I'm looking for excuses in threads I'd like to keep track of.

I figure I know the answer to this question, but it's worth asking anyways, I guess. I was just recently taking a look at your Factory Locations section on the front page, and I realized that you own a lot of Halberdgardian land. Is there any chance that my Consolidated Arms might be able to snatch it back (we'd pay for it, obviously), or is Kriegzimmer too profit-hungry to let go? :p I'm guessing the latter.]

Nistolonia

10-02-2006, 00:49

We in the Nistolonian Government wish to purchase the rights to the Hali-42 Assault Rifle. We would also like to order 100 of these rifles for testing.

The The 3.4 Million will be sent when the shipment is sent.

The Macabees

10-02-2006, 01:04

To: Paul David Nettleton, Minister of Defense, United Sovereign Nations of Southeast Asia

Welcome back to Kriegzimmer, Mr. Nettleton. We're glad that the Navy and the Parliament found the Ingrerier to their expectations, and glad that they consequently decided to order a fair amount of the design. Therefore, the fifteen Ingerier hulls will be laid down all rather close to each other time wise. Five of the hulls will be laid down immediately, with five next month, and five the month after that. The ships should be comissioned within a year and a half each, and it will take a further five months of last minute detailing in Southeast Asia proper to completely finish the design, although the latter will also be done by Kriegzimmer construction crews. We're glad too that the Praetorian II mobile SAM launchers and the Lu-25 Black Mariah passed the rigorous tests put before them, although slightly thrown off by Parliament's decision to still debate the issue. Nevertheless, we trust Southeast Asia's parliament's decision on the matter, and we absolutely know they do what is best for their nation. That said, we're the Ingerier will do just as expected in the Southeast Asian Navy.

[signed]Kriegzimmer Board

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To:Corzia

Greetings Corzia! The order has been confirmed, although there were fears that it would take some time to complete, seeing as how the fifteen ships ordered by Southeast Asia had taken up much of our shipyards meant for international exports, and the Kriermada has ordered seven, including the Ingerier herself, but Corzia herself has one of the largest construction plants owned by Kriegzimmer, meaning the twenty hulls will be laid down simultanuously and will be completed within one and a half years, and thus comissioned, and then five more months will see the finishing touches. With that done, the ships will be ready to hit the high seas. We know that the ship class will preform very well within the Corzian naval forces. Thank you for your business.

[signed]Kriegzimmer Board

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Hal: Probably, but Consolidated Arms would have to put up a very good offer for it, and Kriegzimmer would only sell back about 9,000 km². In other words, you'd have to put up at least double per square meter than what Kriegzimmer gave in the first place, so that Kriegzimmer leaves with a sense of a profit. It would probably be mostly inland, as well, because Kriegzimmer is about to release a long series of new ships, including battleships, dreadnoughts, more battlecruisers, and then escort shipping, like a new cruiser, and new variants of destroyers, and such.

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To: Nistolonia

Welcome to Kriegzimmer! We're glad that you found the Hali-42 interesting enough for testing and purchase. We're 100% sure that Nistolonia will fall in love with them, as we have, and many others have. That said, the production rights will be sent immediately, and the one hundred individuals ordered within the week. We know that they will preform well in any test they are put through. Thank you for your business.

[signed]Kriegzimmer Board

Corzia

10-02-2006, 03:02

OOC: this is sorta like hal's question: is it ok for me to rp corzian state armories using the kreigzimmer plant (i call it creigzimmer) to produce my designs (all small arms) when there is room for said production? with small kickbacks awarded frequently, of course.

Southeastasia

10-02-2006, 09:46

OOC: Lu-25, not Lu-45.

The Macabees

10-02-2006, 20:31

The Macabees

10-02-2006, 21:56

DNR-13 Recoiless Rifle
http://modernwarstudies.net/Lineart/dnr13.png

Abstract:
The DNR-13 is a product which stems from a better understanding of weight issues in real time combat, and further information regarding rocket propelled grenades and their potential. The Ejermacht fields the Tagus anti-tank missile launcher, which is slightly larger and heavier than the Javelin, while packing a much larger punch, and the design played havoc on Havenic [SafeHaven2] light and heavy armour at Mosnoi Bor and thereafter. When in hands of the Weigari Rebels during the Second Battle of Mons Dei, captured during the First Battle from the Waffen-SS Division that had been destroyed through encirclement, it chewed through Killian [Hailandkill] Panzerkampfwaggen XIs, despite the tank being one of the most capable in the war, before the Arca. I Cougar made a presence at the River Nestor and Mosnoi Bor. Despite the success, it was impossible to deploy the Tagus in large enough numbers where infantry could successfully hold off a determined and tenacious armoured offensive. The Tagus' size made it suffer from poor production, as opposed to other small arms, and it's weight did not make it a favourite amongst troops that had to carry it, despite it being a two man weapon. That said, the simple fact that it was a two man weapon made some NCOs rather critical of the design, and instead opted to equip the two men with other armaments. Although the Tagus expects a rather long life in the Ejermact, Kriegzimmer has introduced a brand new anti-tank design. It will be lighter, although less potent, and it will be able to be cheap enough to deploy in enough numbers to provide all squadrons and platoons with a hefty amount of the recoiless rifle. In other words, it will be a worthy supplement to the Tagus anti-tank missile launcher.

The DNR-13 is a muzzle loaded, recoiless rifle, light enough to be deployed with one man. Nevertheless, the user can be suceptible to suppressing fire, and thus it's extremely common that he be flanked by a friendly gunner. The program actually began in late '89 under the auspices of the Kingdom of Sarcanza, but was halted in '94 after its occupation by Macabee forces. The program was discovered by the Empire in 2001 and restarted after the Great Civil War, in 2006. In '11 the first variant was released, but it wasn't until the beginning of the War of Golden Succession, 2016, that the program was truly accelerated. The first DNR-13s arrived at the front in 2017, supplementing around five hundred Tagus anti-tank missile launchers already in use around the area. The DNR-13 was also sent in heavy amounts to the jungles of Zarbia, where the Imperial offensive had stalled in the face of a tenacious and ferocious defense, and disease. The only limitations found on the design was the fact that it could not penetrate the front armour of a newer tank, and thus was forces to aim for the side armour and rear armour of a tank. That said, it was also a cheaper alternative to the Tagus in knocking out infantry fighting vehicles and armoured personnel carriers, as well as other lighter armoured fighting vehicles.

Warhead:
The tube has a diameter of 110mm, and with a respective 70/110mm warhead, at its thickest point. For propulsion the round relies on a small rocket engine, whilst the propellant uses the tube's full volume to effectively burn the fuze and give the jet engine maximum effeciency. The round impacts its target at around 1700 meters per second, and has incredibly penetration. The warhead uses a tandem HEAT complex for anti-armour penetration. Depleted Uranium forms the metal for the outer casing; it's high density allows the maximum inertia to focus with the blast. The depleted uranium is alloyed with molybdenum, for its suitable melting point - interestingly, tungsten, with a melting point of 3422° C, was found not to be suitable for the round. Reloading the round occupied around 18 seconds for the gunner. Additional variants of the warheads include a thermobaric design and a chemical design, used specifically to spread chemical products into small rooms for micro-chemical warfare. The actual substance mass is low to avoid high contamination, but it's yet another form of expanding non-conventional warfare to the basic infantry.

Caliber: 110mm
Initial velocity of grenade: 190 m/s
Mininum Range: 100m
Range: 600m
Weight: 14.5kg
Round weight: 7.2kg
Fully Loaded Weight: 21.7kg
Warhead: Tandem HEAT
Max Penetration:
RHAe penetration after ERA: 850mm
Reinforced Concrete: 1,600mm
Brick: 1,600
Log-and-Earth: 4,000
Operational Temperature Range: ±50° C
Scope: Photonic Surveyor, with laser designator.
Cost: 1,200 USD

Pushka

10-02-2006, 22:03

We would like to purchase production rights for DNR-13 Recoiless Rifle

-Russian Ministry of Defense

OOC: Whats the penetration without ERA. And by ERA you mean Kontakt-5? 250-300 mm RHA?

Teh ninjas

10-02-2006, 22:49

To:Kriegzimmer Storefront
From: Office of Military Purchases, Teh Ninjas
The Empire of Teh Ninjas is currently rearming and rebuilding our military. Due our isolation from most of the world our current arms stockpiles are outdated. We have turned to Kriegzimmer Storefront to fill our military needs. Our order is as follows:
Production Rights for P.746.X Praetorian Surface to Air Missile and Variants- 20 Billion
Production Rights for all Artillery Rounds-535 Million
5,000 Panzerfaust X-9/Tagus Anti-Tank Missile-125 Million
120 Valencia SSK-9 Billion
44 Tenerife class SSH-61.6 Billion
550 The Principe III-165 Million
780 Av.36 Hammerhead MADCAP Heavy Weight Torpedos-4.29 Billion
4,800 Shockhound Avenger I air-to-ship; surface-to-ship missile-5.28 Billion
2,400 Sledgehammer Anti-Dreadnought Missile-3.6 Billion
Production Rights for AAM.37 AMRAAM and AAM.176 BVRAAM-5 Billion
5,500 MTAAM-3 Silencer Air to Air Missiles-6.38 Billion
2,200 MLAM-2 Air to Surface Missiles-2.86 Billion

Total-118.835 Billion

The funds for this order shall be sent once this order is confirmed. Thank you.
Jack Moore

Spizania

11-02-2006, 00:15

The Confederate States of Spizania wishes to order the production rights to the Hali-37 Assault Rifle and to the DNR-13 Recoiless Rifle, the payment will be wired on confirmation.

The Macabees

11-02-2006, 01:08

To: Russian Ministry of Defense

Welcome, once again, to Kriegzimmer, we're glad to have you back. The production rights to the DNR-13 will be sold for $120,000,000, which translates into Ŗ85.7 million, or exactly 100 million rubles. Hopefully, this price is suitable. Nevertheless, we're sure that in the hands of the Russians the DNR-13 will prove superior to the RPG-7, its variants, and the new RPG-29 - in fact, penetration values prove that. Thank you for your business.

[signed]Kriegzimmer Board

[OOC: What happens is that since its tandem, there's multiple HEAT charges, meaning that the first charge renders the ERA useless since the ERA reacts to the first charge. This particular warhead has three charges, meaning that there will be two successive charges to try to penetrate through the armour.]

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To: Office of Military Purchases, Teh Ninjas

We're glad that Ten Ninjas has turned to Kriegzimmer for their re-armament, and we reassure you that you are making an excellent choice. That said, the order has been, of course, confirmed. Should you be looking for any other production rights, they are sold, despite what the catalogue says - most designs don't have listed prices, however, and we simply translate them to you on the spot. Nevertheless, the five thousand Tagus'will be shipped within the next week, while the SSKs will be ready for you at twenty within the next fifteen months, with the next twenty five months later, and thereafter using the same matter, meaning the entire order will be completed within forty months, or just over three years. The 44 Tenerifes will be sent within twenty months, and the Principe IIIs within the month, as with the Av.36 Hammerheads. The Shoukhound Avengers and Sledgehammers will both arrive within two months, as with the MTAAM-3 and MLAM-2. All production rights have been confirmed and all information dealing with this will be sent in an encrypted databurst. Thank you for your business.

[signed]Kriegzimmer Board

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To: Spizania

Welcome back Confederate States! The production rights, of course, have been confirmed. The production rights to both will cost a total of 320,000,000, or 320million, USD. This translates into 168 million porkmarks. Thank you for your business.

[signed]Kriegzimmer Board

Ato-Sara

11-02-2006, 01:10

OOC: No one wants my cool PDWs sob.... :D

Southeastasia

11-02-2006, 03:08

TO: Kriegzimmer Board
FROM: USNSEA Minister of Defense Paul David Nettleton
SUBJECT: DPR Cost

Dear Board Members of Kriegzimmer Conglomerates,

The Parliament has approved of the purchase of domestic production rights. So we the payment of the production rights for the Lu-25 Black Mariah (80,000,000 USD) and the Praetorian II Mobile Surface to Missile Battery (1,700,000 USD), and the P.746 Balistia Variants (20,000,000,000 USD) long with the AAM series (all variants, totalling 6.4 billion USD), shall be wired upon the confirmation of the order.

Yours Truly,
His Excellency,
USNSEA Minister of Defense
Paul David Nettleton

Southeastasia

11-02-2006, 04:14

OOC: Mac, how many Ingreriers do you recommend I have? I still have a lot of RL stuff I need to clear out.

The Macabees

11-02-2006, 06:49

[OOC: Dunno, depends what roles you want to have them for. I'm going to field a total of fifteen, but I'm going to use them in a more independent role, moving with quick ships on raids and such. So, it would really depend on the role you want to give them. If you have a purpose for having a lot of them, by all means have a lot of them. How do you want to deploy the ships? What jobs can you foresee giving them?]

To: USNSEA Minister of Defense Paul David Nettleton

We're glad that the Southeast Asian Parliament decided to pass the effort to purchase the production rights to the Lu-25 Black Mariah and the P.746.X series. We assume that the Balistia will be the nomenclature you will use for them, and we must agree that it is quite a name; in other words, good choice. That said, the order has been confirmed. The entire order, totalling 6.4 billion USD, or roughly Ŗ4.57 billion. We're sure that the parliament will grow to not regret the decision, and we're doubly sure that the Southeast Asian defense forces will find the designs to their liking. That said, we bid the Southeast Asian military forces good luck, and Kriegzimmer has had a pleasure selling to your fine military once again. Furthermore, we're glad that Southeast Asia has taken a more objective look into procurement, scouting out the different possibilities and putting it all through rigorous testing. You are one of the few nations that have ample services to complete all of this, and in the end, it will make your military all the strongers. Again, thank you for your time.

[signed]Kriegzimmer Board

The Macabees

11-02-2006, 06:49

Taníat class Anti-Air Warfare Battlecruiser

Abstract:
The Taníat is a variant of the Ingerier class Battlecruiser, and the second of three designs that Kriegzimmer proposed for release, including the Grospek class Battlecruiser. The design features three of the three turrets removed off the Ingerier, instead using the volume and surface area for a wide array of verticle launch systems, equipped with the P.746.A surface to air missile, while the Praetorian batteries on the decks are shortened to equip the P.746.B missile variant, which is the mid-range missile variant of the P.746.X series. The Taníat also has a bow and stern turret with a dualmount of 127mm guns, which also act as dual purpose guns. That said, the rest of the volume and surface area is taken up by batches of verticle launch system grids, including eight batches of nine tubes, three by three, adding to a total of seventy-two tubes per lost turret, all filled with the P.746.A surface to air missile. The tube is fitted for the Shockhound Avenger anti-shipping missile, but also fits many Praetorians. The tubes are meant to fit a single Shockhound Avenger, or a single P.746.A surface to air missile, and a conveyor feeds the tube, feeding it from a stock of another two missiles per VLS. That said, there are three new groupings, and the previously held twenty verticle launch tubes, translating to a grand total of two hundred and thirty-six tubes, which means seven hundred and eight missiles.

The Taníat plays the role as a pickett ship, especially in anti-air roles, and can do minor shore bombardment duties, especially if the ship is outfitted with smaller, but more, surface to surface missiles. Other than that, the ship is almost exclusively for escort duties, providing valuable anti-air warfare duties.

The ship earns its class name after Grand Admiral Taníat who commanded the first fleet ever comissioned by the First Empire of the Golden Throne in 432 Before Common Era. The fleet, formed of seventy-two triremes, and fifteen of the then rare quinqueremes, and him in his flagship, a septereme. The fleet was built as a response to the Birinthian fleet which had began to harass the Empire's coast during the First Reactionary War, and the two met off what used to be known as the Catrocian Islands. Although outnumbered Taníat managed to rout the enemy fleet, while sinking over thirty ships, although he himself lost around twenty of his own triremes, and two of the quinqueremes. Nevertheless, the Birintians had faced their first naval defeat, although minor, which would ultimately lead to the end of the First Reactionary War, and the beginning of the Second Reactionary War. The Birinthian War would not end until 276 B.C.E., when their kingdom's capital was sacked and taken. Nevertheless, Taníat became the Empire's first admiral in history, and began the Empire's route to naval splendor, although always underrated in history because of the predominance of land campaigns.

The HES Taníat was commissioned in 2019, and launched late that year. The Kriermada hopes to launch a total of some fifteen for escort purposes and such.

Statistics:
Length: 266.8m
Beam: 33.35m
Draught: 9.52m
Displacement: 42,446.3 tonnes [46,789 short tons]
Hull Type: Monohull
Machinery:
2x Helga pebblebed nuclear reactors [352,000 shp]
4x Waterjets
Maximum Speed: 43 knots
Range: Limited by consumables.
Armour:
381mm belt
406.4mm turret plate
93.98mm deck
Armament:
2x 127mm doublemount dual purpose turrets
8x Conhort CIWS
6x 88mm AAA
4x Praetorian Batteries
2x Hedgehog Mk. II Mortars
4x 5 cell VLS
6x 20 cell VLS
3x 30 cell VLS
Electronics:
Vertically deployed TB-2016
TB-163 thin line array
TB-87 short line array
MRT-1 multifunction search radar
MRT-4 surface search radar
KRS-82 fire and control radar
KRS-11 navigation radar
KRS-13 multifunction search radar
MLT-1 lidar array
BST-7 multiple interfece ladar arrays [four total]
KIR-66 infra-red fire array
Aircraft:
1x LAMPS
2x UAV
Crew: 536 naval
Cost: 5.2 billion

Southeastasia

11-02-2006, 06:54

OOC: I had intended them to be in groups and can still act independently well. They can be used as command, and escort and commerce warfare.

The Macabees

11-02-2006, 07:35

OOC: How many battleships do you have, and super dreadnoughts at that, that can provide ample command themselves? I would take that number and then see how many other battle groups, of varying size, you want to create, and decide whether or not a battlecruiser or a battleship would do better. As I see it, a battlecruiser should only command something that can keep up with it, since the advantage of the battlecruiser is pure velocity, as compared to its ability to stand up and fight, which it certainly has not. That said, depending on how much your nation spends on your navy, I would suggest anywhere between five and fifteen for commerce raiding; again, depending on the size of your navy. For escorts, you could probably use any of the above ships you would want to build, plus a little more. I guess it also depends on if you decide to purchase the next battlecruiser which will have less, but larger, VLS blocks, fielding a new heavy anti-shipping missile. It will be able to strike from an excessive range [I'm aiming for five hundred kilometers], and it will have speed to get away, and since it will be conveyor fed it will be able to reload at sea, although reload will be excrutiatingly slow. Nevertheless, I would say something between five and fifteen is a good number.

Southeastasia

11-02-2006, 07:41

I have ten SDs (five Archon-class SDs, made and drawn by Mekugi when he was way too small to construct one, the other five Neptune-class Flight II SDs, jointly designed by TSS and Sarzonia). Battleships, I only have five (from MierTech), and I only have twelve carrier battle fleets from DMG and a Big Navy Fleet Package (RL US Tech). While I have a big budget, I'm focusing on quality.

The Macabees

11-02-2006, 07:53

OOC: Understandable, although this is the first time I'm seen a navy with more super dreadnoughts than battleships. Regardless, it seems as if you have thirteen naval groups total and fifteen larger ships, so I don't think you would need a battlecruiser for a permanent command role, and I certainly wouldn't use it for that purpose. In fact, it might get bogged down in the duties of commanding a slow and lumbering fleet, and velocity is its advantage, not the ability to slug it out. That said, I think that the BCN can be useful when it comes to commanding independent task forces, but like I said before, these task forces would have to be comprised of fast ships that won't compromise the advantages of the BCN. So, I would have perhaps three total that could relegate to command duties, and another five that are permanently surface raiders, while the three previous ships could also be used for surface raiders, but the crew is also trained and experienced in a command role. Apart from that, perhaps another five that would be relegated to escort duties, coming to a grand total of thirteen BCNs; at least concerning the Ingerier. This doesn't include any other classes you are thinking of purchasing, and you might definately have more, albeit it from a different class. But I would suspect that then it would serve a different role.

Southeastasia

11-02-2006, 07:55

OOC: Thanks for the assistance Mac. I'll credit you when I finally get my order of battle up.

EDIT: Oh, and you forgot to add the AAM and Praetorian II in your previous order.

Tyrandis

11-02-2006, 19:32

From: Tyrandis Precision Machine Import/Export Corporation
Subject: RE: Purchase Order

The proposed price of Tagus Anti-Tank missile systems is acceptable; as such, we have wired the money to your account.

Tyrandis is also in the process of updating its mechanized ground forces, to better deal with the battlefield of tomorrow; renowed Kriegzimmer expertise in this field will serve our purposes quite well. We wish to acquire six hundred Arca. I "Cougar" Main Battle Tanks, as well as production rights to the series. Also, the air defense corps has been asking for some time new munitions to deal with threats from the sky. Thus, we also wish to acquire rights to the P.746.X Praetonian Surface to Air Missile series.

The sum of 7.2bn USD will be wired to your accounts for the Cougar order, and funds for the production plans shall be sent pending a final price.

The Macabees

11-02-2006, 20:38

[OOC: Oops, I'll change that SEA.]

To: Tyrandis Precision Machine Import/Export Corporation

Welcome back, and we're glad that the Tagus was placed at an ample pricing. That said, the new order is confirmed as well, and the production rights will be sent immediately, to both the Arca. I Ausva. A Cougar MBT and the P.746.X series. Especially concernig the Cougar, we're guarantee you the supremacy of the tank over partners in combat, especially with the huge gun. While most tanks put out around 18MJ of energy, we can safely advertise a near 36MJ output, which is good enough to plow through any armour.

[signed]Kriegzimmer

[OOC: Odly, The Ausva. A is due for replacement by a new variant, the Ausva. C. The armour scheme is going to change with just a self-produced ceramic composite, the cocep, and the possibility to add reactive armour to it - all of this, of course, to make it lighter. I'm going to swap the gun as well, and make it smaller. Now, I tell you this because you've bought production rights, but the Ausva. C will probably not be released for a while since it's being released in conjunction with the progression of an RP; and said RP is going really slow. I would expect it in maybe two months, maybe less, I dunno. Regardless, I think it would be best to have both anyways, in case you need the heavier gun of the Ausva. A - or at that, just the Ausva. A, as opposed to the Ausva. C. The Ausva. C's armament is going to be...interesting...to say the least - I'm dropping the ETC and opping for something that has been underestimated.]

Velkya

11-02-2006, 20:56

From: Allied Union Army Foreign Procurement Office
To: Kriegzimmer Board

The Allied Union of Velkya, thorughly impressed by the technological prowess and battlefield savvy of the Kriegzimmer Corporation, would like to make a third purchase from the inventory of Kriegzimmer. In order to further equip it's forces to deal with the threats of tommorow, both on land and in the air, the Allied Union's army would like to procure production rights (along with the mandatory one hundred units) to the following weapons and vehicles.

-DNR-13 Recoiless Rifle

-BDU-64 Samson Battle Suit

-Praetorian Surface-to-Air Missile Series

-Black Mariah STOVL Aircraft

-All Current Artillery Shelll Variants manufactured by Kreigzimmer

As with the previous purchase (in which your offer of 30 billion was accepted), we would like to place a offer of 110 billion for the various items.

OOC: Hey, a few of your picture link's have expired, like on the Sampson, Canary, and your APC. On the up side of things, here's a drawing I made in my spare time for the Tagus. If the designation on the sighting componet needs changing, or you don't like the color, etc, let me know. I know it's not nearly on the scale of Mekugi, but it should serve well until you find a more...clean looking replacement.

http://show.imagehosting.us/show/1160119/0/nouser_1160/T0_-1_1160119.PNG

Corzia

11-02-2006, 21:07

Greetings! The Allied Corzian Army wishes to purchase several more systems for the growing size in both the military and the entire nation. Our order is as following:

-10 000 Arca. I Cougar Main Battle Tanks
-2 000 Arca. II Arshurbanipal Light Battle Tanks
-7 000 150mm Panzerwerfer M-2000 MRLS's
-5 000 Preatorian II Mobile SAM's
-5 000 Incinérateur 155mm Rapid Fire Artillery Systems
-5 000 Corbulo Self-Propelled 155mm Field Guns
-5 000 155mm KriGud Self-Propelled Artillery Guns
-400 000 DNR-13 Recoiless Rifles (as well as production rights)
-6 000 Lu-45 Hawk Air Superiority Fighters (for the ACAF)

The total should be USD 420 665 000 000+cost of production rights

McKagan

11-02-2006, 23:51

[New Purchase]

To: Kriegzimmer
From: McKagan Military Purchasing Board
Subject: Expansion

The newly elected McKagan Senate has approved more funding for the military, added with a few fiscal years worth of savings, we feel we are ready to make several large purchases. Without beating around, we're simply going to list what we want.

Production Rights for DNR-13 Recoiless Rifle
10,000 Lu-45 Hawks, 1.020 Trillion USD

We understand this is a very large order. This is not, however, a rushed order. It isn't a time of war, merely a large scale expansion and replacement of an entire class of aircraft within the IMAF. Payment will be wired as it is confirmed.

Halberdgardia

12-02-2006, 03:52

To: Kriegzimmer Board
From: The Office of the Chief of Staff of the Army, the Democratic Imperium of Halberdgardia
Re: Purchase

It has been some time since we last visited Kriegzimmer, what with the government pressing us to purchase more domestic and fewer foreign weapons. Fortunately, however, Consolidated Arms is taking its sweet time in developing its first batch of infantry weapons for us, and we feel that your DNR-13 recoilless rifle is too good to wait for. Therefore, we wish to purchase production rights for the DNR-13. The requisite payment will be wired upon confirmation.

Respectfully,
The Office of the Chief of Staff of the Army
The Democratic Imperium of Halberdgardia

[OOC: I was too lazy to look up his name. :p]

To: Kriegzimmer Board
From: Derek Reisner, Chief Executive Officer, Consolidated Arms, Inc.
Re: A Proposition

Greetings from Consolidated Arms. Perhaps you have heard of us, perhaps you have not. Regardless, we come to you today with a request. As a rapidly-expanding arms manufacturer, we require ever-larger manufacturing capacities to meet demand. I have been informed that Kriegzimmer has purchased some ten thousand square kilometers of land in Halberdgardia and its various colonies.

We are looking to purchase that land -- and those factories -- back.

We are ready to offer Kriegzimmer twice what it originally paid for the land, to compensate for the loss of such production capability. Ideally, we look to purchase nine thousand of the ten thousand square kilometers Kriegzimmer currently owns at the very least, but we would preferably purchase however much over nine thousand square kilometers Kriegzimmer is willing to sell.

We look forward to your response.

Respectfully,
Derek Reisner
Chief Executive Officer
Consolidated Arms, Inc.

Southeastasia

12-02-2006, 04:09

OOC: Say Hal, why not buy some Ingreriers? Perhaps Kil could give a hint that an alliance is in the works by giving it the Halberdgardian designation of Southeast Asia-class BCN/Yao Yang Nelson Neo-class AAW BCN? :p Oh, and TM, you still need to edit your response to my previous order.

McKagan

12-02-2006, 06:02

To: Kriegzimmer
From: McKagan Military Purchasing Board
Subject: Armored Expansion

After going through our list of available assets, we realized that we still field a total of 10,000 of your former Main Battle Tanks. While they served us more than well, it is time that we replace them as well as boost the numbers of the MIMC Armored Divisions. Because of those mission statements require 20,000 Arca. I Cougar's. The price comes to 204 billion USD, which will be paid upon the e-signing of this contract.

The Macabees

12-02-2006, 07:44

[OOC: Thanks for the pic Velkya; I'll definately use it. I've been trying my hand at my own drawings, but I'll definately use it. Again, thanks.]

To: Allied Union Army Foreign Procurement Office
Welcome back, for the third time, we should say. We find it honourable that such a nation would come to Kriegzimmer after Kriegzimmer made such a display near Concremo. Thankfully, events did not unfold to a point where we both would regret the experience. The order, like the two past orders, are confirmed, of course, meaning that the 110 billion have been accepted, and the production rights for the units listed will be sent through an encrypted databurst immediately. That said, we're sure that these items will satiate your nation's need as much as the last two orders. Thank you, once again, for the business your honourable nation has brought us.

[signed]Kriegzimmer Board

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To: Allied States of Corzia
Greetings, and welcome back to Kriegzimmer. The entire, large, order has been confirmed and approximate dates of arrive are as follows. The 10,000 Arca. I Cougars will arrive in batches of five hundred a month, meaning the entire order will be completed within twenty months. The 2,000 Arca. IIs will be sent in the same way, meaning the entire order will complete itself in four months. The 7,000 Panzerwerfers and 5,000 Praetorian IIs will both arrive in six months, Incinérateurs and Corbulos and KriGuds. The 400,000 DNR-13s, although the production rights will be sent immediately, will arrive in batches of fifty thousand per month, meaning the entire order will complete in eight months. Finally, the 6,000 Lu-45s will arrive three thousand per month, meaning the entire order will be completed within two months. Thank you for the business.

[signed]Kriegzimmer Board

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To: McKagan Military Purchasing Board
Despite how large you think it is, the order we guaranteed for Corzia was phenominal. In any case, the production rights will be wired immediately, and the ten thousand Lu-45s will be ready within two months. Your second order has been confirmed as well, and so they will be sent in batches of five hundred tanks per month, meaning the entire order will be completed within forty months. Thank you for your order.

[signed]Kriegzimmer Board

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To: The Office of the Chief of Staff of the Army, the Democratic Imperium of Halberdgardia
Yes, it has been quite some time, and at that rate, welcome back! The production rights to the DNR-13 will be sold for X USD [I'm too lazy to look up how much I was selling them for], and everything will be wired immediately. We're sure that they'll be perfect for beginning the warming up process for your industry's machinery, and once Consolidated Arms developes its own, all will be ready for immediate mass production. That said, we bare good luck to Consolidated Arms.

[signed]Kriegzimmer Board

To: Derek Reisner, Chief Executive Officer, Consolidated Arms, Inc.
Kriegzimmer would be willing to sell back nine thousand square kilometers of the ten thousand square kilometers purchased. It was originally purchased for around four hundred USD a square meter; because of the loss of the factories, now urbanized land, and the money we'll lose in the transfer, we have no choice but to force the sale to go up to 2,000 USD per square meter. The grand total would be 20,000,000 USD, or twenty billion. Although it's quite expensive take in mind that you gain all the production facilities built, although arguably, not all the factories have been built, since it has been quite a short period of time since we first purchased the area. Nonetheless, that is the one and only offer we're willing to give, and we do this because we have friends in Halberdgardia. Hopefully, Consolidated Arms will see gain in the transfer.

[signed]Kriegzimmer Board

Southeastasia

12-02-2006, 12:50

TO: Kriegzimmer Board
FROM: Paul David Nettleton, Minister of Defense, United Sovereign Nations of Southeast Asia
SUBJECT: Interceptor Purchase

Greetings again,

It seems to me that you have failed to confirm the purchase of the AAM series and the Praetorian II MSAMB production rights in my nation's previous order. But anyway, as the Union Air Force is looking for a good interceptor to take down enemy fighters and bombers, especially against the mighty hypersonic bombers of today's combat zones. So we shall take ten units of the Lu-27 "Condor" Interceptor for testing purposes, as an alternate to Detmerian Aerospace's DAS-15 "Tiger". Both seem to be mighty fine aircraft, so there is a good chance of both beinga accepted into our air force...but wouldn't you be happy if the Lu-27 won? The payment of 320,000,000,000 USD shall be wired upon the confirmation of the order.

Yours Truly,
His Excellency,
USNSEA Minister of Defense
Paul David Nettleton

Pushka

12-02-2006, 20:42

We would like to purchase the production rights for Lu-27 Condor Hypersonic Interceptor.

-Russian Ministry of Defense

Spizania

12-02-2006, 22:15

OOC: Mac i would like you to put the designs in the following two designs on sale.
Am i allowed to sell vehicles with DGA and EMAS? If not il strip it out of the versions in the posts

Spizania

12-02-2006, 22:16

T-108A2 "Pompeii" Main Battle Tank

The T108A1 "Pompeii" Main Battle Tank was an answer to the new very high gradetanks being fielded by other nations, such as Doomingslands CAESAR MBT and the rapidly increasing proliferation of Mechev MBTs among nations with which the Confederate States has never had warm relations, since this became apparent Confederate Arms has been working triple shifts designing this vehicle which is capable of destroying almost every known armoured vehicle in existance, and is capable of providing a modicum of SAM protection for itself adn engaging targets outside its line of sight in an Urban Enviroment.

The A2 upgrade is a continuition of that concept, and it employs several new technologies to provide a tank that will be feared on all battlefields where the Confederacy treads, now and into the future.

PRIMARY ARMAMENT

The Primary Armament of the T108A2 is its Confederate Arms M455 Mod 2 155mm High Velocity ElectroThermalChemical Cannon, this already potent weapon is supplemented by two technologies bought specifically for the M455 project, Dynamic Gas Assist(DGA) and EMAS, both purchased from the Armed Republic of Soviet Bloc, these two upgrades give the M455 the punch to shred any known MBT the T108 is likely to come up against in the forseable future and the new Mercury assisted cooling technologies allow for a unmatched ability to rapidly fire ordanance in both indirect and direct fire roles.

The EMAS system is a series of magnetic coils, positioned along the barrel which increase the velocity of the standard electro-thermal fired weapon. When a round is to be fired, the projectile is loaded into the barrel and the breech is closed, this brings the electrode mere micrometers from the opposite contact/conduit on the round. When the system is fired, a high voltage/low amperage spark jumps the gap and immediately courses through the propellant, igniting it in a massive, controlled burn, far, far more efficient than what you could ever get from a conventional cannon and with relatively little energy drain. This is where the EMAS system takes control. As soon as the round is fired, or after the electrical force is applied to the propellant, capacitors (which had built up energy from the generators, motor, and batteries) discharge electrical energy into a series of circuits which are routed to coils placed along the barrel of the weapon (which is laminated to prevent magnitization of the barrel). The coils generate a magnetic field with the 'south' field attracting the round, as it approaches, the 'north' field takes control, propelling the magnetized round (with north facing out of the barrel, and south facing towards the breech) to the next coil. The process is repeated three more times. This allows for the round to be propelled from the barrel at a much greater velocity than would a standard electro-thermal cannon. Now, you may be asking, 'well, how did the round get magnitized?' The answer is simple, when the electricity is applied to the propellant to propel the round from the barrel, the entire breech is effectively drenched in electricity, and when electricity [its conduit] is wrapped around a metal object, it tends to magnitize (depends on what rounds you use). The barrel itself is laminated to prevent it from becoming magnitized.

However, the cannon also utilizes the Dynamic Gas Assist [DGA] which is a seperate tank of inert, inflammible gas. At the end of the tank is a large piston combined with a recoil absorbing system to take recoil generated by the main gun and use it to drive the piston which will compress the gas. When the main gun fires, the gas will be compressed and then it will absorb heat from the firing of the main gun, creating an intense pressure. A valve opens and the heated, compressed gas travels through a series of venturii, creating a low-pressure, very high-velocity gas flow which then enters the barrel directly behind the round, increasing its speed, improving its stability, and increasing over-all range. It also doubles as a recoil reduction system [as it transfers recoil momentum to drive the piston] and a heat absorption system, absorbing the heat and dissipating it along with the firing of the round.

The Mercury enhanced cooling system (MECS) works by surrounding the DGA array with a hollow sleeve through which flows elemental Mercury, channeling the tremendous friction heat from continious firing of the gun and transferring it to an array of vortex tubes. The Hot stream from this array is passed through a bank of thermocouples and from there to a heat sink where residual heat it transferred to the exhaust flow from the engine. This mercury stream is then mixed with the cold stream before being channeled to the end of the barrel and dumped back into the cooling sleeve.

EM-Rifling has also been fitted to the M455 and both it and the EMAS has been expanded so that the coils do not predjudice the acceleration of the projectile while still remaining highly efficient in there jobs of increasing the weapons accuracy and stopping power.

This incredibly versatile weapon is capable of firing Standard NATO and Macabee designed 155mm Howitzer Rounds, HESH rounds, HEF rounds, APFSDS rounds, HEAT rounds and is capable of serving as the launching platform for a series of small 155mm Missiles including ATGMS and SAM weaponry

The M455 Mod 2 is fed by an advanced autoloader designed specifically for it, this autoloader allows for a high rate of sustained fire to be maintained and is also fitting with a revolver like breach arrangement, allowing for eight rounds to be fired in quick succession inorder to defeat reactive armour and provide a saturation fire against targets, however this mode cannot be sustained due to the drain on the tanks power system and the strain created on the MECS, the maximum sustained fire rate for the main gun is 5 rounds per minute although the 8 round burst will be fired at an average of 35 rounds per minute
The T108A2 stores 75 155mm Rounds and 4 Missiles in an armoured blow-out storage box behind the autoloader.

SECONDARY ARMAMENT

The Secondary armament of the T-108 is a coaxial Invictus II, this is a Confederate Arms weapon designed to replace the Invictus I 50mm ETC autocannon curretnly in serviece with the Confederate Army on a large number of its vehicles, inlcuding the T105 Infantry Fighting Vehicle, the T101 Consul I Main BattleTank and the T108A1 Pompeii Main Battle Tank. The weapon is a 45mm ElectroThermalChemical Autocannon utilising multiple systems to increase the power and penetration of the round and render the weapons of great use against both IFVs and against light enemy armour. Firstly the weapon utilises EMAS, this system is a series of magnetic coils, positioned along the barrel which increase the velocity of the standard electro-thermal fired weapon. When a round is to be fired, the projectile is loaded into the barrel and the breech is closed, this brings the electrode mere micrometers from the opposite contact/conduit on the round. When the system is fired, a high voltage/low amperage spark jumps the gap and immediately courses through the propellant, igniting it in a massive, controlled burn, far, far more efficient than what you could ever get from a conventional cannon and with relatively little energy drain. This is where the EMAS system takes control. As soon as the round is fired, or after the electrical force is applied to the propellant, capacitors (which had built up energy from the generators, motor, and batteries) discharge electrical energy into a series of circuits which are routed to coils placed along the barrel of the weapon (which is laminated to prevent magnitization of the barrel). The coils generate a magnetic field with the 'south' field attracting the round, as it approaches, the 'north' field takes control, propelling the magnetized round (with north facing out of the barrel, and south facing towards the breech) to the next coil. The process is repeated three more times. This allows for the round to be propelled from the barrel at a much greater velocity than would a standard electro-thermal cannon. Now, you may be asking, 'well, how did the round get magnitized?' The answer is simple, when the electricity is applied to the propellant to propel the round from the barrel, the entire breech is effectively drenched in electricity, and when electricity [its conduit] is wrapped around a metal object, it tends to magnitize (depends on what rounds you use). The barrel itself is laminated to prevent it from becoming magnitized.

Secondly the cannon utilises the Dynamic Gas Assist [DGA] system which is a seperate tank of inert, inflammible gas. At the end of the tank is a large piston combined with a recoil absorbing system to take recoil generated by the main gun and use it to drive the piston which will compress the gas. When the main gun fires, the gas will be compressed and then it will absorb heat from the firing of the main gun, creating an intense pressure. A valve opens and the heated, compressed gas travels through a series of venturii, creating a low-pressure, very high-velocity gas flow which then enters the barrel directly behind the round, increasing its speed, improving its stability, and increasing over-all range. It also doubles as a recoil reduction system [as it transfers recoil momentum to drive the piston] and a heat absorption system, absorbing the heat and dissipating it along with the firing of the round.
EM-Rifling has also been fitted to the Invictus II and both it and the EMAS has been expanded so that the coils do not predjudice the acceleration of the projectile while still remaining highly efficient in there jobs of increasing the weapons accuracy and stopping power.

Finally the weapon utilises NitroChemical surface coated doubled based propellant and a very long cartridge to provide stability and a hig penetration against enemy armour, especially when firing Armour Peircing Fin Stabilised Sabot rounds (APFSDS). Together these systems give the Invictus II the penetration to knock out any armoured vehicle in the weight class of the T109 or T105. Teh weapon is tied to the main gun controls and firing patterns can be programmed in so they are actuvated automatically.

TERTIARY ARMAMENT

The Tertiary armament of the T108 is:
1. Coaxial 12.7mm Machine Gun (Gunner operated) with 800 rounds
2. Hull mounted 12.7mm Machine Gun (Driver Operated) with 1200 rounds
3. A Pintle Mounted 12.7mm Machine Gun with 550 rounds
4. 30mm Grenade Launcher with 12 HEF rounds, 8 Smoke Rounds and 4 Illumination rounds

ARMOUR

The T180A2 has an advanced Chobham Based armour composite with a 50mm Top Layer of MEXAS, there are also gratings to allow for the attachment of EAAK on request of a crew, the armour values are listed below

Front: 1700 v KE, 4200 v CE
Sides: 1050 v KE, 3200 v CE
Rear: 850 v KE, 2850 v CE
Turret: 2200 v KE, 4900 v CE

COUNTERMEASURES

The T108A2 is equiped with Shtora and Arena to protect it from the ATGMs that are often used by light troops to knock out heavy battletanks.
T108s can be refitted with shortstop, usually in the Confederate States army one tank in every troop of 4 will be equiped with it to allow the shortstop protection without ladening every tank with it at enourmous cost or providing a single softskinned vehicle that could be easily taken out in the heat of battle.

POWERPLANT & TRANSMISSION

The T108A2 is powered by two Confederate Aerospace 2200hp Quasiturbine Engines giving it a top road speed of 80kph and 50kph over open country, ofcourse combat speeds will be much lower than this.

The T108A2 weighs 125 tonnes at full combat load

Price: $19.5 million

Spizania

12-02-2006, 22:19

Type 109 Marius Heavy APC
The Type 109 Marius was built to provide a means of transporting large numbers of troops quickly in a platform that could still acquit itself on teh field of battle while avoiding the hordes of IFVs that are required to transport whole battalions.

Weapons: Turret Mounted M242 Bushmaster IV Autocannnon with 120 rounds (ready to fire)
Coaxially mounted 7.98mm Caseless Machine Gun with 600 rounds (various)
Hull Mounted .221 Calibre (Orchimenos) Machine Gun with 450 rounds (Various)
40mm Grenade Launcher equiped with 15 HE-Frag Grenades, 5 Illumination Grenades and 30 Smoke Grenades.

Bushmaster IV: The bushmaster IV is a Confederate Arms weapon designed to replace the Invictus 50mm ETC autocannon curretnly in serviece with the Confederate Army on a large number of its vehicles, inlcuding the T105 Infantry Fighting Vehicle, the T101 Consul I Main BattleTank and the T108A1 Pompeii Main Battle Tank. The weapon is a 75mm ElectroThermalChemical Autocannon utilising multiple systems to increase the power and penetration of the round and render the weapons of great use against both IFVs and against light enemy armour. Firstly the weapon utilises EMAS, this system is a series of magnetic coils, positioned along the barrel which increase the velocity of the standard electro-thermal fired weapon. When a round is to be fired, the projectile is loaded into the barrel and the breech is closed, this brings the electrode mere micrometers from the opposite contact/conduit on the round. When the system is fired, a high voltage/low amperage spark jumps the gap and immediately courses through the propellant, igniting it in a massive, controlled burn, far, far more efficient than what you could ever get from a conventional cannon and with relatively little energy drain. This is where the EMAS system takes control. As soon as the round is fired, or after the electrical force is applied to the propellant, capacitors (which had built up energy from the generators, motor, and batteries) discharge electrical energy into a series of circuits which are routed to coils placed along the barrel of the weapon (which is laminated to prevent magnitization of the barrel). The coils generate a magnetic field with the 'south' field attracting the round, as it approaches, the 'north' field takes control, propelling the magnetized round (with north facing out of the barrel, and south facing towards the breech) to the next coil. The process is repeated three more times. This allows for the round to be propelled from the barrel at a much greater velocity than would a standard electro-thermal cannon. Now, you may be asking, 'well, how did the round get magnitized?' The answer is simple, when the electricity is applied to the propellant to propel the round from the barrel, the entire breech is effectively drenched in electricity, and when electricity is wrapped around a metal object, it tends to magnitize (depends on what rounds you use). The barrel itself is laminated to prevent it from becoming magnitized.

Secondly the cannon utilises the Dynamic Gas Assist [DGA] system which is a seperate tank of inert, inflammible gas. At the end of the tank is a large piston combined with a recoil absorbing system to take recoil generated by the main gun and use it to drive the piston which will compress the gas. When the main gun fires, the gas will be compressed and then it will absorb heat from the firing of the main gun, creating an intense pressure. A valve opens and the heated, compressed gas travels through a series of venturii, creating a low-pressure, very high-velocity gas flow which then enters the barrel directly behind the round, increasing its speed, improving its stability, and increasing over-all range. It also doubles as a recoil reduction system [as it transfers recoil momentum to drive the piston] and a heat absorption system, absorbing the heat and dissipating it along with the firing of the round.
EM-Rifling has also been fitted to the Bushmaster IV and both it and the EMAS has been expanded so that the coils do not predjudice the acceleration of the projectile while still remaining highly efficient in there jobs of increasing the weapons accuracy and stopping power.

Finally the weapon utilises NitroChemical surface coated doubled based propellant and a very long cartridge to provide stability and a hig penetration against enemy armour, especially when firing Armour Peircing Fin Stabilised Sabot rounds (APFSDS). Together these systems give the BushMaster IV the penetration to knock out any armoured vehicle in the weight class of the T109 or T105.

.221 Orchimenos Machine Gun: The .221 calibre machine gun operates the following types of ammunition:-

[i].221 Aluminum Orchomenos
The new .221 bullet design is designed to keep the underestimated possiblities of the .221 Fireball, but to make it even lighter, allowing for an even greater achieved muzzle velocity. Total weight of the round is 73 grains. The rifle round has excellent aerodynamic properties at long ranges, mirroring that of the Fireball, which has already been suggested by many to replace standard NATO rifle rounds for the M-16. In fact, throughout its history, the .221 Fireball has been underestimated by most. At the tip the round uses a series of barbettes, first used in the American Civil War, and it's designed to cause major damage within the impact zone, making the round harder to extract, and more damaging to the human body. Beyond that, the round also uses a delayed electrical spark fuze, allowing the round to puncture, then blow, causing the explosion to theoritically occur inside the victim's body, not on impact. Maximum muzzle velocity with the .221 Orchomenos has been caught at 1,070 meters per second.

.223 API Orchomenos
The .223 API Orchomenos is an armor piercing projectile designed to penetrate battle suits at high velocities. The round replaces the .221 Orchomenos when an enemy is known to use battle suits, but normally, the rifle uses the .221 version. This round also uses an internal barbette to maximize potential damage, with a delayed fuze.

.221 Binary Sarin Orchomenos Biological Round
In compliance with foreign needs, a variant of the .221 Orchomenos was designed to carry Sarin to make it even deadlier. Although not standard in Macabee forces, it is a round manufactured by Kriegzimmer. In order to increase shelf life the Sarin is composed and stocked in a binary method, making shelf life rather irrelevent. The round spins on terminal flight to produce the effects of Sarin. On impact the round will cause bleeding at several points on the subject, and permanent damange to the central nervous system, possibly killing them, but more likely to put them out of action indefinately. The Spizanian Military is the only military known to use this round although it has yet to be fired in combat.

Crew: 3 (Gunner, Commander, and Driver) + 24 Passengers

The armour technology in use on the Type 109 is highly advanced derivitave of the older Type 105, on the front and sides, the outer layer is 95mm Layer of Chobham composite followed up on the inside by a 30mm Layer of MEXAS composite, giving massive protection against Shoulder Launched AntiTank weapons. On the top and back of the vehicle there is a smaller layer of 60mm of Chobham composite, outside that is a 40mm Layer of MEXAS, giving superior protection for missiles with Top Attack Warheads, there are also grating on the front top and sides to allow the installation of EAAK on the request of the vehicles crew.
The final value for the armour of the vehicle comes as follows (without EAAK):
Top and Back: 170mm vs KE, 965mm vs CE
Sides and Front: 260mm vs KE, 1250mm vs CE

PowerPlant: Confederate Aerospace 2000hp Quasiturbine Engine (used on the T108A1) giving the vehicle a top road speed of 95kph and a normal combat speed of 65kph.

Weight: 45 Tonnes

NOTES: The passengers disembark and embark through a powered rear hatch that can be raised or lowered in under 5 seconds.
The Ammunition for the 75mm is stored in an armoured blow-out box

Variants:
Type 109B Armoured Scouting Vehicle:
Coaxial MachineGun callibre changed to .221
Passsenger Compartment Reduced to 8 men
Second 2000hp Quasiturbine Engine Installed with Extra fuel tanks in passenger compartment
Tracks upgraded to increase top speed to 190kph maximum

Type 109C Medivac Vehicle
All weapons removed and replaced with a Pintle mounted .221 Machine Gun
Passenger COmpartment replaced with space for 10 Stretchers

Type 109D Fire Support Vehicle
Autocannon Removed
Passenger Compartment Deleted and Replaced with a 203mm Mortar and ammunition

Type 109E Light AntiArmour Vehicle
Autocannon and Passenger Compartment Removed
4 Barrel LOSAT launcher Installed

Cost: $3 million

Skibereen

13-02-2006, 01:48

Skibereen would like to place a purchase order for 1200 Arca II Light Tanks.
At a Cost of : $5,040,000,000

Gejigrad

13-02-2006, 02:55

From the desk of the Acting Chief of Air Force Operations, Citizen General Howard Young:

The People's Republic of Gejigrad would be interested in purchasing the production rights to the Lu-27 Condor interceptor. 550.284 million marks to be wired upon confirmation.

The Macabees

13-02-2006, 03:52

[OOC:SEA, I thought I edited them back in there?]

To:Paul David Nettleton, Minister of Defense, United Sovereign Nations of Southeast Asia
We apologize for not verbabally confirming the production rights, although we did send them in an encrypted transmission, regardless of our letter back to you to verbally confirm the entire order. That was an oversight of ours, and again, we apologize. The production rights to both the AAM series and the Praetorian II are confirmed. The twelve Lu-27 Condors will be delivered within twenty-two days. We should take the time to explain the role however. Kriegzimmer would suggest both the Lu-27 Condor and the Das-15 Tiger, since they would both serve different roles. The Condor is meant to be employed in smaller numbers and be used in fast pace raids against bomber forces and such, as well as to be deployed close to their base, although their range allows them to reach bombers firing intercontinental ballistic missiles and high range cruise missiles. That said, the DAS-15 should be used in larger numbers as your basic military interceptor. In the end, the Tiger is logistically superior to the Condor, while the Condor is logistically expensive to maintain the high velocities it was designed for.

[signed]Kriegzimmer Board

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To:Russian Ministry of Defense
Welcome back. The production rights have been activated and confirmed, and everything dealing with them will be sent though an encrypted databurst transmission to the Russian capital. We thank you for yet another order.

[signed]Kriegzimmer Board

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Spiz: Sure, I'll add them, although there are inherent design problems with both DGA and EMAS that I'll get into later. Regardless, I'll add the designs.

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To: Skibereen

Welcome to Kriegzimmer! At the stated expense of 5.04 billion United States Dollars, the 1,200 Arca. II Ashurbanipals will be exported to Skibereen from the small factories in the Imperial colony just south of your country. That said, they should arrie at the rate of 600 per month, meaning the entire order will be completed within two months. Thank you for the business!

[signed]Kriegzimmer Board

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To: Acting Chief of Air Force Operations, Citizen General Howard Young, Gejigrad

Welcome to Kriegzimmer Gejigrad! The order, of course, has been confirmed, and that said the production rights all information pertaining to them will be sent immediately through an encrypted transmission. Thank you for the business.

[signed]Kriegzimmer Board

Gejigrad

13-02-2006, 03:55

Thank you, Kreigzimmer. As you will find, the money has been wired to an offshore bank account. It was good doing business with you--we hope that we may do so again in the future.

Southeastasia

13-02-2006, 11:38

*bump*

The Macabees

14-02-2006, 06:11

News on Arca. I Ausfva. C: The gun design has been completed, and I have decided to drop the Electro-thermal chemical gun. What I have replaced it with is 120mm, and the rest is rather secret as to not let out research to my competitors, but it's rather unique, although it's not my own technology. :) Just an aglomeration of different technologies that exist, from research I've done on the subject. It's lighter than its 120mm ETC equivalent, and more powerful, at least with the configurations I gave it. Introduction wise, it's not even a third done, but that's because A Passion Play has been progressing slow, or more accurately, hasn't been progressing at all. I really need the current battles to come to an end, and Ishme-Dagan to begin, but the other participants have been participating much. :( That said, until Ishme-Dagan is over, or somewhat through, I cannot fully end the design of the Ausfva. C. Nevertheless, it allows me more time to run through equations and read on certain topics. At this moment I'm transferring all my energies on designing the principal armour that's going to be used on the tank, and I think I have a pretty good impression on what I'm going to design and how waste will be dealt with. But no worries, I'll keep posting news on the progress. The Arca. I Cougar Ausva. C will not be sold on Kriegzimmer when it is released, it will be sold in an independent thread if said thread is successful - the last one was, to say the least, not... at all. If it isn't successful I'll simply sell it here.

McKagan

14-02-2006, 06:26

[OOC: Thank you so very much for going back to the 120mm! I have a major issues with people on NS who keep upgunning the MM on their guns simply for a wow factor. The Harris Urban Combat MBT I use has a 120mm Main Gun that turns so much faster than a 150mm gun that some people use that I'd put a group of them against a much larger group of their competitors.]

The Macabees

14-02-2006, 06:29

OOC: Well, the electromagnetic turret that moves the 140mm gun would be able to move the turret just as fast as a conventional 120mm gun, since the turret is moving on a magnetic field. However, I found that the problem was if the first round missed then since the round was so heavy it took more time to load into the breech, meaning that a smaller tank would be able to pound me with 2-3 rounds by the time I got the second one out. No doubt I could penetrate older tanks in one shot, but that one shot took time. Here I'll post what I have for the introduction so far:

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The Arca. I Ausva. A, also known as variant A, was introduced into the Ejermacht prematurely in May 2016, seeing combat first at the Battle of the River Nestor. Despite the fact that the tank sold to be one of the most adept at the job it was given, that of a main battle tank, and the fact that it was originally praised as a beast in warfare, given its massive tonnage, and its overly huge main armament, which protruded at over four meters in length, sold it to be the prime example of the next generation of battle tanks. The textbook description of the Ausva. A had described the vehicle as one that threw away all unnecessary electronics and sensor systems, and then replaced what was left of volume with gadgets that would improve on the efficiency of the design. Within the context of comparing the Ausva. A to the BredtSvert, the engineers did a wonderful job, but by the time the tank had gone through the rigors of true warfare, first at the Nestor, and finally truly ended at the massive battle of Ishme-Dagan, it was obvious that the tank had not truly been built to perfection. A resolved Fedor, always a fan of armored warfare and design, as well as an avid perfectionist in regards to his armed forces, asked Kriegzimmer to look over the design once again and provide the Ejermacht with something that was an overarching improvement over the Ausva. A, including in terms of weight, velocity, and overall gunnery. Despite the certain deficiencies in the design, the Arca. I Ausva. A proved to be quite a capable hunk of armor, and it had been for the introduction of the Arca. I that the Havenites [SafeHaven2] had been stopped at Mosnoi Bor, and that the rebels had been pierced at the River Nestor. All the same, it had been these exact operations that helped highlight what needed improvement in the design, and it would be these engagements, as well as the massive engagement at Ishme-Dagan, which would ultimately aid in the final product, which was unilaterally released in early 2017, almost a full year the first variant had been released.

Three divisions of Cougars were fed to the River Nestor sector in a deployment operation which continued from 27th of May to the 10th of June, and ended up deploying 1,500 tanks in that area. A further five hundred tanks were rushed south to Mosnoi Bor on the 2nd of June and arrived on the 5th of that month. The vast quantities of armor had been produced between the beginnings of February to just about four days before the shipments began to take form to the River Nestor. In other words, many of the tanks that fought in the battle had just rolled off the conveyor belt. With the surrender of the 3rd Waffen-SS Mechanized Infantry Division at Mons Dei on May 26th, 2016, the Weigari Independence Army, under the command of General Bietz and Prince Heinrich of Dienstad, began a quick offensive towards the River Nestor, beginning to cross the river on the 3rd of June, and finishing the crossings on the 6th of June, thus beginning what would be known as the Battle of the River Nestor. The Arca. I Cougars were not thrown into the battle until the counterstroke was begun on June 12th, where upon two divisions were massed in the north, with a single division places in the south. By the 7th of June the entire Weigari Army, east of Mons Dei, had crossed the River Nestor, hoping to knock through what they thought were rudimentary defenses, and breakthrough towards both Fedala and Dzamiin. The other side of the river had been left with poor defenses, holding a tenuous logistical supply route. The two divisions in the north broke through the rebel line by the night of the 12th, completing a spectacular advance, and began to throw the river bridging that very night. By the late morning of the 13th the bridging was ready and despite numerous Weigari attempts to collapse the new bridges, the Cougars successfully rolled over to the other side of the river that very day, enforcing their dash south, and completely cutting off eighty thousand Weigari soldiers across the other side of the river. The problems were realized in the southern prong of the offensive, as the thrust was immediately blunted by tenacious Weigari defenses, and by the 13th the offensive had almost completely stopped. A renewal of the offensive on the 14th only managed a bit of penetration, and it was not until Emperor Fedor I and Killian President Mark Revello had shown up to personally take command of the situation, on the 15th of June, that the armor truly began its penetration of the rebel lines. Even then, the offensive was slower than expected, almost thwarted by a rebel armored counterattack along the flank of an unscreened armored thrust. It was only the massive armor protection of the tank itself, and its massive gun, that saved the day, stopping the counterattack in its tracks, and turning a potential disaster into a victory. Nevertheless, twelve Cougars lay burning wrecks by the end of the day, while only around thirty-five rebel tanks had been knocked out. Although the River Nestor was reached that very same day, through the help of near continuous close air support, the problems of the Ausva. A were first witnessed there. The reaction rate of the tanks were perfect, which can be attributed to the fact that the turret uses electromagnetic bearings to gyrate, meaning that gyration is much faster. Nevertheless, if the shot was a miss it would take almost double the time it would take a rebel T-80 to reload, meaning a T-80 could put two shots into the flank of the tank, while the Cougar could only put one and miss. In other words, the Cougars took more casualties than they needed, although the vast majority were fixed up on the spot, or more so, sent to the rear where they would undergo massive maintenance to be put on the field again. In layman’s terms, the tank melee had proved that the rate of fire of the bulky 140mm electro-thermal chemical cannon was simply not fast enough to compete with other designs. The original intent had been to sacrifice rate of fire and exchange that with a one shot kill to any part of an enemy tank. Unfortunately, the sacrificed rate of fire could sacrifice victory if the first shot was a miss.

McKagan

14-02-2006, 06:33

Spizania

14-02-2006, 17:59

OOC: Would these technologies be able to be applied in addition to ETC to manufacture an even more powerful gun? And whose technology is it? Or is it just EFPEC?

Nerotika

14-02-2006, 18:15

OOC: Our nation's tank model have gone obsolete, I was wondering if you could recomend a durable tank. We are looking to order at least 30-40 tanks from your store, that is if we cannot find any better offers. Also I would like to compliment your storefront, very organized and I've enjoyed the discriptions of your weapons.

The Macabees

14-02-2006, 19:30

[McKagan, perhaps, although since it's turning on an electromagnetic field there should be really no drastic change in turret traverse velocity. Spizania, it's neither, and this will render more power than the 120mm ETC, and be lighter and smaller. And Nerotika, the Arca. I Ausva. A is all I have now for now - you can order the Ausva. B of the Cougar [Arca. I], even though it's not really advertised, which is the same package but with a 120mm ETC gun, running down the weight to around 73 tons. That said, if you are willing to wait I would really wait until the Ausfva. C, but if you can't wait (a long while) what I would suggest would be Sarzonia's Bonham - the refit he's coming out with, or something similar. I'm not really fond of SBs tanks, and that's not to insult him, but I just find a lot of things on the tank that aren't truly plausable or economical, like dynamic gas assist.]

McKagan

14-02-2006, 20:30

[McKagan, perhaps, although since it's turning on an electromagnetic field there should be really no drastic change in turret traverse velocity.

[OOC: Meh, I think making the tank lighter would be a major issue too. I'm going through a thing with alot of light vehicles right now. Hey, you should look at my reference thread. Everything on there is designed by you unless it's one of my domestic designs I don't have specs up for.]

McKagan

15-02-2006, 00:53

[OOC: Ok, I've got an issue with potentially moving prisoners from a naval battle I've just about won. I'm looking into doing it with your Pepperbox Class. My question is, how many prisoners do you think one could adequately support and transfer while at the same time keeping them secure and provide possible medical care?]

The Macabees

15-02-2006, 01:30

OOC: Although the ship can hold a grand multitude of troops the ship would have to be specifically designed for the purpose, since you would have to install living quarters and the such. After that, I would say around five hundred - maybe three hundred to keep absolute medical quality, especially if these prisoners have just seen war and have a high chance of getting very sick. But, you have persuaded me to build a series of dedicated transport ships for infantry!

Devlyn

15-02-2006, 02:35

Official Message
From: Oligarchical Republic of Devlyn
To: Kriegzimmer Board
Re: Naval force

Dear Sirs/Madames:

As most of our naval equipment is Soviet-era and rather outdated, we wish to outfit a large naval force to be delivered to the Gdánsk (Herzna) ports as soon as it is completed. Therefore, we would like to place an order for:

Six (6) Zealous Class Super-Dreadnaughts with full aircraft complement, at a total of $1,200,000,000,000;
Six (6) Argentine Class Galleons, at a total of $780,000,000,000;
Fifty (50) Elusive Class Battleships, at a total of $250,000,000,000;
Fifty (50) Ingrerier Class Battlecruisers, at a total of $285,000,000,000;
Ten (10) Indestructable Class Aircraft Carriers, at a total of $70,000,000,000;
Twenty (20) Maiden Class Submergible Aircraft Carriers, at a total of $120,000,000,000;
Three hundred (300) Illium Class Guided Missile Destroyers, at a total of $360,000,000,000;
Three hundred (300) Morsky-Orol Class Light Cruisers, at a total of $450,000,000,000;
Two hundred (200) Paramount Class Air Defence Vessels, at a total of $140,000,000,000;
Four hundred (400) Azores Class Fast Attack Crafts, at a total of $160,000,000,000;
Two hundred (200) Ocean Class Helicopter Assault Ships, at a total of $145,000,000,000;
Five hundred (500) Cartagena Class Attack Submarines, at a total of $550,000,000,000;
Three hundred fifty (350) Cadiz Class Ballistic Missile Submarines, at a total of $315,000,000,000;
Two hundred forty (240) Tenerife Class Hunter Submarines, at a total of $336,000,000,000.

This comes to a total of $5,161,000,000,000.00.

In addition, to replace our rather outdated aircrafts, we wish to purchase a total of:

Four thousand (4,000) Lu-45 Hawk Air Superiority Fighters, at a total of $480,000,000,000;
Four thousand (4,000) Lu-12 Canary Tactical Strike Fighters, at a total of $180,000,000,000;
Two thousand one hundred (2,100) Lu-25 Black Mariah STOVL Multi-Role Aircrafts, at a total of $168,000,000,000 (this in addition to the 900 fighters included with the Super-Dreadnaughts);
Eight hundred (800) Lu-27 Condor Interceptors, at a total of $256,000,000,000;
Five hundred (500) Naram-Sin Strategical Long Term Bombers, at a total of $175,000,000,000;
One thousand (1,000) RoLu-17 Galician Attack Helicopters, at a total of $28,000,000,000.

The total, counting the expenses for naval ships, comes to $6,448,000,000,000.00. As these funds are not readily available, and the Navy and Air Force have only been allocated a purchasing power of $4 trillion altogether, we wish to pay this off in two installments, over two years.

Thank you.

~ Representative of the People for Military Affairs, Wladislaw Kupcenyi

The Macabees

15-02-2006, 05:17

Southeastasia

15-02-2006, 11:56

Spizania

15-02-2006, 17:56

The Confederate States of Spizania, which has complete confidence on the armament of its main service MBT, the T108A2, wishes to enquire if Kriegzimmer would be able to provide a even more powerful 155mm Armament that is simpler than the current weapon, if possible we would like the weapon to retain its versatility, eg firing 155mm Howitzer rounds (doesnt have to be ETC if its too complicated) and firing ATGMs. Can you help?

Nerotika

15-02-2006, 17:58

McKagan

15-02-2006, 23:22

But, you have persuaded me to build a series of dedicated transport ships for infantry!

[OOC: Words cannot describe how happy I am. :p Will it be an amphibious assault ship, or just some slow transport? It should have alot of helicopters too. I like helicopters. Oh, and it should be able to beach itself Nothing scares the enemy defending the beach like the almighty beaching-of-an-aircraft-carrier-on-your-shorefront-house tactic!

The Macabees

15-02-2006, 23:50

[OOC: SEA, maybe, if I have time I'll do that. Nerotika, sure I'll TG you, although I forget things easily. McKagan...not quite, but meh, I can make more variants before I release it.]

To: Spizania

Well, the problem is that you either design a gun as a howitzer, or you design it as something that's designed to engage other tanks. Of course, you can engage other tanks, but howitzers normally release the projectile at a much slower velocity to avoid overpenetration, and since HEAT rounds and HE rounds don't require anything in the velocity of the round - for HEAT, the velocity of the jet is what matters, and internal mechanisms is what dictates that. So, it would either have to be one or the other. The drawback is that the slower howitzer will not fire an APFSDS fast enough to match something like a 120mm ETC.

[signed]Kriegzimmer Board

Spizania

16-02-2006, 00:15

The Confederate States Primarily requires a gun with which to engage other tanks first and foremost, if neccesary the howitzer rounds can simply be fired with smaller propellant charges.

Velkya

16-02-2006, 00:18

(OOC: Mac, I've sent a TG outlining a project I'd like to work on with you.)

The Macabees

16-02-2006, 01:12

[OOC: Velkya, TG responded to.]

To: Spizania

We apologize, but Kriegzimmer is running through a series of their own tests, and therefore, it's really hard for us to expel any information about our gun systems, or how to make another gun system more powerful. It is competition, after all.

[signed]Kriegzimmer Board

McKagan

16-02-2006, 02:41

[OOC: I'm retiring some of my old domestic designs and I need new ones. I can't make an IC post right now, but I need the production rights for the

GLI-76 Falcon VTOL Multi-Role Aircraft
Lu-45 Hawk Air Superiority Fighter
RoLu-17 Galicia Attack Helicopter
GLI-34 Albatross Heavy Bomber
Arica I Shalmanesar Armoured Personnel Carrier
SOV-06 Infantry Combat Vehicle
Arca. II Ashurbanipal Light Battle Tank
Arca. I Cougar Main Battle Tank

Are you even giving away production rights for some of that stuff? I don't know if you are or not, but I thought it best to simply buy the production rights since my military randomly increases numbers; which would lead me to making alot more posts here. It also presents a problem because I don't want to have to buy new units everytime a single thing blows up. But whatever.]

Halberdgardia

16-02-2006, 04:39

To: Derek Reisner, Chief Executive Officer, Consolidated Arms, Inc.
Kriegzimmer would be willing to sell back nine thousand square kilometers of the ten thousand square kilometers purchased. It was originally purchased for around four hundred USD a square meter; because of the loss of the factories, now urbanized land, and the money we'll lose in the transfer, we have no choice but to force the sale to go up to 2,000 USD per square meter. The grand total would be 20,000,000 USD, or twenty billion. Although it's quite expensive take in mind that you gain all the production facilities built, although arguably, not all the factories have been built, since it has been quite a short period of time since we first purchased the area. Nonetheless, that is the one and only offer we're willing to give, and we do this because we have friends in Halberdgardia. Hopefully, Consolidated Arms will see gain in the transfer.

[signed]Kriegzimmer Board

To: Kriegzimmer Board
From: Derek Reisner, Chief Executive Officer, Consolidated Arms, Inc.
Re: A Proposition

Let it never be said that Kriegzimmer is not generous, or that it does not know how to strike a deal. We agree to your terms, and the requisite $20 billion has been wired. We thank Kriegzimmer for its generosity, and we look forward to continued cooperation [OOC: or competition, as it may be; we'll see :p] in the future.

Respectfully,
Derek Reisner
Chief Executive Officer
Consolidated Arms, Inc.

Dostanuot Loj

16-02-2006, 05:52

To: Kriegzimmer Board
From: Makkah Aeroworks

Greetings! We at Makkah Areoworks, a fledgling aerospace company, wish assistance in marketing to the international community. We have recently been granted permission to sell our latest design, the AVT-12, on the international market, however we feel our current capabilities are limited in such a grand marketing endeavour. We wish your help in the matter if you would so be willing to market the craft, at a 50/50 profit split as dictated by your rules of course, for us.
We look forward to your response. Here is an article pertaining to the AVT-12.

Uruk News Release - New Marine Craft: AVT-12 (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10433504&postcount=6)

- Makkah Aeroworks Marketing Department

OOC: Same as showed up in the draftroom. I was too lazy to make a new topic, or post, solely for the aircraft. So if you can manage to sell it, I congragulate you!

Kilani

16-02-2006, 19:05

To: Kriegzimmer Storefront

From:PAK High Command

Subject: Anti-Tank Weaponry, Naval Craft

Greetings, once more Comrades.

We contact you again, as this time we are in need of anti-tank weaponry and more advanced naval craft.

As such we would like to order 1 Million Tagus Anti-Tank missiles and 20 of your Azores Fast Attack Craft, as well as production rights for your Illium class Guided Missile Destroyer and six (6) of the CLN-68 Morsky-Orol Class Light Cruiser. The total should come to $268.3 Billion USD.

We thank you for your services.

[signed][Entire PAK High Command]

Altistan

16-02-2006, 21:05

Hi again. We'd like:

1 Zealous-class superdreadnought (175 billion)
1600 Coastal Railguns (1.92 billion)

Total: 176.920 billion

Money to be wired on confirmation.

The Macabees

16-02-2006, 23:47

[OOC: McKagan, I sell production rights to everything, I just don't list some of them because either I forget to, or because it was designed before I decided to give off production rights. That said, if they don't have a price, I make it up on the spot.]

To: Makkah Aeroworks

We, in short, would be glad to host the AVT-12 on Kriegzimmer, and although it will be placed in the section of the catalogue where the other foreign designs are, in the near future Kriegzimmer might merge both parts together, so that all designs are displayed at the same level, which might boost sales of foreign products. That said, we're sure that the AVT-12 will do great on Kriegzimmer since Kriegzimmer doesn't offer a similar product, meaning the AVT-12 will receive no competition for the same catalogue. A product with a similar situation is the Killian Maiden class SSVN, which has sold in great numbers. In other words, we expect much success from the AVT-12.

[signed]Kriegzimmer Board

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To: PAK High Command

Thank you for returning to Kriegzimmer. The order has been confirmed, meaning that the rights to the Illium are sent immediately, while the six Morsky-Orols will arrive within twenty-two months. The twenty Azores will arrive at the same time, and the one million missiles will arrive within a month. Thank you for your business.

[signed]Kriegzimmer Board

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To: Altistan

Welcome back. The single Zealous class Super Dreadnought will arrive within twenty-six months, while all the railguns will arrive within eight months, and then installed according to your engineers. Thank you for the order.

[signed]Kriegzimmer Board

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To: Rolatia [see below]

Welcome back to Kriegzimmer! The entire order has been confirmed, with the one million battlesuits coming in within twenty-four months, the tanks coming in at a rate of five hundred per month in one hundred months, the Arca IIs coming in at a rate of one thousand per month, meaning in 120 months, the Praetorian IIs at five hundred per month, or forty months, and the MRL at the same rate, only instead twenty months. All air related stuff will arrive in up to eight months, while all package related stuff will come within sixteen to forty-eight months. The Arica. Is will arrive within fifty months. Thank you for the order. Finally, production rights for everything are available. Again, thank you.

[signed]Kriegzimmer Board

[OOC: I would wait, however, until the Arca. I Cougar Ausva. C is released.]

The Macabees

16-02-2006, 23:54

AVT-12 Assault Transport Craft

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v322/Dostanuot/AVT-12.png

Concept:
The AVT-12 was designed for a need from the Republican Marines for a higher capacity and higher speed armed transport that was capable of VSTOL flight. Two concept vehicles, the RVT-901 and RVT-902 were designed and constructed by Makkah Aeroworks for the testing. The RVT-901 featured four high bypass turbofan engines mounted on fully adjustable gimbles allowing the aircraft to change the direction of the entire engine to vector the thrust as needed. The RVT-902 featured revolutionary new Lift Fan technology powered by a pair of high output and high efficiency gas turbine engines through a set of dual output transmissions. The RVT-902 was selected by the Republican Marines for further devlopment into the AVT-12 because it's llift fans did not produce potentially lethal exhaust gasses like the turbofans of the RVT-901 did.

Design:
The AVT-12 is designed around four high output lift fans which are independently adjusted by the aircraft's computer according to the pilots control input. Each of the four lift fans is independently mounted on a hydraulicly controled quick-reaction rotating mount allowing them to be rotated 360 degrees in the vertical or near vertical axis. Two of the lift fans are mounted onto the tips of the wings mounted directly vertical of the ground when set to the vertical postsion, the rear two lift fans are mounted just aft of the cargo ramp and when in the vertical postsion have a 15 degree outward canter to their output. This design allows Marines or cargo to exit and enter through the rear cargo ram without having to worry about the fan output.

Powering the four lift fans are a pair of Mk.9 turboshaft engines each putting out 6000 Kw of power into two variable dual-output high output transmissions. The transmissions automaticly adjust to the output speed as required by the pilot for each of the four engines.

The main arament of the AVT-12 is a chin mounted three barreled 15mm ATG-47 gatling gun with 1200 rounds of ammunition. The ATG-47 is slaved to the helmet mounted gunsight of the co-pilot/gunner and can fire at an electronicly adjustable rate of fire up to four thousand rounds per minute. Hardpoint mountins are provided on the cargo ramp and above each of the cargo compartment doors for the mounting of a heavy or medium machine gun as required. One weapons hardpoint is mounted on the underside of each wing and can carry up to 250kg of weapons each. Standard mounting on the wings is a 32 round capacity 70mm unguided rocket pod.

Internally the AVT-12 is capable of carrying 26 fully armed Marines and their equipment or 9500kg of cargo. An underslung cargo hook allows up to 10500kg of cargo to be carried externally.

Procurment cost is set at $38,000,000 USD.

Specifications:

Type: Assault Transport

Dimensions:
- Length: 22m
- Width: 3.2m
- Height: 4.2m
- Wingspan: 15m

Mass:
- Empty: 13,500 kg
- Loaded (VSTOL): 26,000 kg
- Maximum Take-Off: 32,000 kg
- Fuel Capacity: 6480 kg

Propulsion:
- Engine: 2x Mk.9 Areonautic Turboshafts (8046 shp each)
- Lift: 4x Kish Jet Propulsion Lift Fans
- Thrust: 20,000 lbs (89 kN) each
- Vectoring: 3-dimensional

Performance:
- Service Celing: 8500m
- Cruising Speed: 330 km/h
- Top Speed: 450 km/h
- Ferry Range: 1800 km
- Combat Range: 500 km
- Max Vertical Climb Rate: 50 m/s

Armament:
- 1x Chin Mounted ATG-47 15mm 3-Barreled Gatling (1200 rounds)
- 2x Above Door mounted HMG Points
- 1x Ramp mounted HMG Point
- 2x Wing mounted hardpoints (250kg each)

Capacity:
- Crew: 3
- Transport: 26 troops
- Internal Cargo: 9,500 kg Max
- External Cargo: 10,500 kg Max

Cost: 38 million

Rolatia

16-02-2006, 23:58

Greetings,
The Rolatian Ministry of Defence has decided to return to Kriegzimmer as it revamps its entire military services. Therefore, we will be purchasing:
-Production rights to the Hali-42 (3.2million)
-Production rights to the GH-31 (70 million)
-BDU-64 Samson Battlesuit x 1,000,000 (50 billion)
-Arca I Cougar Main Battle Tank x 50,000 (600 billion)
-Arca II Ashurbanipal Light Battle Tank x 120,000 (504 billion)
-Praetorian II Mobile Surface to Air Missile Battery x 20,000 (34 billion)
-150mm Panzerwerfer M-2000 MRLS x 10,000 (6 billion)
-Lu-45 Hawk Air Superiority Fighter x 100 (12 billion)
-Production rights to the Lu-45 (45 billion)
-GLI-34 Albatross Long Range Stealth Bomber x50 (125 billion)
-RoLu-17 Galicia Attack Helicopter x 1000 (28 billion)
-Arica 1 'Shalmaneser' Heavy Armoured Personnel Carrier x 100,000 (320 billion)
-Carrier Battle Group x8 (131.6 billion)
-Submergible Package x2 (90.29 billion)

-TOTAL (Before Discount): 1945.9632 billion

-TOTAL (After Discount): 1654.06872 billion

We thank you for your time, and hope to see the same level of quality Kriegzimmer has brought us to expect.

Dr J Edwards
Prime Minister of Rolatia

P.S: Also, we wish to inquire about production rights to the Arica 1 'Shalmaneser' Heavy Armoured Personnel Carrier, ,the GLI-34 Albatross Long Range Stealth Bomber, the Arca I Cougar Main Battle Tank, Arca II Ashurbanipal Light Battle Tank and the BDU-64 Samson Battlesuit. We may be interested in purchase in one or more of these technologies next year*

(OOC: 1) I have a 15% frequent buyer discount (I bought from you daily for at least a week as a newbie!), and 2) you may want to change the no production rights sign - tis confusing :)
*: NS time of course.)

McKagan

17-02-2006, 00:49

[OOC: Well then Mac, just consider I've purchased all the production rights right now? Add whatever price you choose to charge to your sales. Add the ones for the AVT-12 too; btw, the link doesn't work.]

Pushka

17-02-2006, 00:53

We would like to purchase production rights for the AVT-12 Assault Transport Craft.

-Russian Federation Ministry of Defense

Devlyn

17-02-2006, 02:33

To: Wladislaw Kupcenyi, Oligarchical Republic of Devlyn

Welcome to Kriegzimmer. We're glad that Devlyn has looked into Kriegzimmer as a possible armaments supplier, and we're even glader that they have put the finishing touches with an order. That said, the order has been confirmed and all finished units will be sent to Gdásnk as requested. The order is quite large, but Kriegzimmer has no doubts it will be able to carry it out effectively and comparatively quickly, as well. The 6 Zealous' and 6 Galleons will have their keels laid down simultanuously in the rather large shipyards in Corzia, and all twelve ships will be completed and sent within twenty-four months. The fifty Elusives and fifty Ingeriers will be laid down at a rate of ten per two months, meaning the entire order will be completed within thirty-four months, with the first ten of each arriving in twenty-four. The 10 Indestructables will arrive within eighteen months, and the 20 Maidens within fifteen. The 75 Illiums and 75 Morsky-Orols will be completed at a rate of fifty within fifteen months, another fifty within twenty months, and so on. The entire Paramount and Azores order will be done within four years, and the rest within that same time.

Finally, we arrive at your order of aircraft. The 4,000 Lu-45s will be completed within the month, well as the 4,000 Lu-12s and 2,100 Lu-25s. The 800 Lu-27 Condor Interceptors will be completed and shipped within three months, while the Naram-Sims within four, and the 1,000 RoLu-17s within one.

We think that covers the entire order, and once again, we thank you for the purchase. The terms of payment have been accepted at two installments, in two years. Understandably, this is a huge order and those dates are rather liberal. All in all the order in its entirety should be fully completed within four years, although it may take up to five or six in all actuality. Nevertheless, the wait is well deserved!

[signed]Kriegzimmer Board
[ooc:] I think you missed the submarines. No matter, I think I understand anyway.

[ic:]

Official Government Response
From: The Oligarchical Republic of Devlyn
To: Kriegzimmer Board
Re: Order

I thank you for your prompt response to our order, and we shall await the first sea and air trials with anticipation. If the Devlynian Military is pleased with the products, we will certainly do business with you in the future.

Meanwhile, I noted that from the first installment of a little over $3.2 trillion approximately $700 billion was left for purchasing power, and the city of New Trieste was still relatively undefended in case it ever happened to be attacked—with no military ships and no artillery larger than 155mm—I put two and two together, and therefore wish to place this order to be delivered to New Trieste [It's on the opposite side of the country, on what is today the Slovenian border with Italy, where Gdánsk is in the north of Poland.] as a defensive package.

Five hundred (500) 400mm Coastal Rail Guns, at a total cost of $600,000,000;
Two (2) Argentine class Galleons, at a total cost of $260,000,000,000;
Ten (10) Ingrerier class Battlecruisers, at a total cost of $57,000,000,000;
Forty (40) Paramount class Air Defence Vessels, at a total cost of $28,000,000,000;
Fifty (50) Ilium class Guided Missile Destroyers, at a total cost of $60,000,000,000.

We also wish to purchase the production rights to the P.746.X Praetorian SAM and variants, at a total of twenty billion USD*. Altogether this should come to $425,600,000,000.

The funds will be wired upon confirmation.

~ Representative of the People for Military Affairs, Wladislaw Kupcenyi

* Or should this be $100 billion? The link was unclear as to whether $20 billion was for all of the variants together or for each one individually.

Corzia

17-02-2006, 03:07

The Allied States would also wish to purchase production rights to the AVT-12 Assault Transport Craft. We will pay up to USD 10 000 000 000.

Rolatia

17-02-2006, 10:34

Greetings
The state of Rolatia wishes to buy the following production rights:
-Hol-24 9mm Pistol
-GH-31 12.7mm High Powered Sniper Rifle
-Arca. II Ashurbanipal Light Battle Tank
-Arica I Shalmanesar Armoured Personnel Carrier
-Praetorian II Mobile Surface to Air Missile Battery
-150mm Panzerwerfer M-2000 MRLS
-KriGud Self Propelled Artillery Gun
-Lu-12 Canary Tactical Strike Fighter
-GLI-34 Albatross Long Range Stealth Bomber
-RoLu-17 Galicia Attack Helicopter

Please, name a price on the sales, and we will purchase them immiedately. We also wish to buy right away the production rights for the GLI-76 Falcon VTOL Multi-Role Aircraft for $32 billion.

Dr J Edwards
Prime Minister of Rolatia

(OOC: I'm no good at these prices, so just name them and I'll sort out the discount and total after you respond.)

Southeastasia

17-02-2006, 13:51

OOC: Mac, how well would you say that your Anti Super Dreadnaught Missile works?

Rodenka

17-02-2006, 17:48

Dear Sirs,
The Government of His Most Catholic Majesty King Fredrick IV of Rodenka wishes to once again make use of your excellent services in terms of armaments and weaponry. We wish to order the following:

-Production Rights to the GH-31 High Power Sniper Rifle ($70 Million USD)

-500,00 DNR-13 Recoiless Rifles and production rights ($600 Million for inital order. $? for production rights)

-2 million ATG-44 Anti-Tank Mines and Production Rights ($600 million for initial order, $? for production rights)

-Production rights to the Panzerwerfer M-2000 MRLS ($?)

TOTAL: $1.07 Billion +

We thank you for your coutreous and prompt service.

[signed]
Sir Otto Eskerwald, Minister of Armaments

Southeastasia

18-02-2006, 05:52

OOC: Mac, would you say that Sumer's design is a good unit for peacekeeping or what not?

The Macabees

18-02-2006, 07:04

[OOC: Southeast Asia, for your first question, I would say that if you use the missile correctly; in other words, something apart from missile spam, it works wonderfully. Technically, because of the insanely steep angle of attack CIWS will have a really hard time targetting it, meaning the lethality rate is much higher than any other missile. However, I'm going to be coming out with a new anti-dreadnought and anti-ship missile soon which will aim to destroy radars on the superdreadnought, making it a sitting duck. I don't know if its going to be designed by Kriegzimmer, or by my military, but there's been an increasing number of designs not done by Kriegzimmer, although all of them have been the heavy monters I use in my wars - the 800mm self-propelled railgun, now in Zarbia, and the Arca. III Morrigan UHBT, not fighting in Ruska [a southern provence], as well as the Labarnas, a submirgible naval artillery platform, which is fighting the Mithradates, a Gerfaanlichi Super Dreadnought in the region of Haven. But, back on topic, if used correctly, and your opponent doesn't godmod, I would say it would be an extremely effective missiles.

Now, for your second question. I would say it depends on the laws your nation abides by when peacekeeping. If your troops are mean't as an offensive force, I would say no. Given, it's a great design, but a standard transport helicopter would prove to be cheaper, and you really don't need all the armament if you're carrying out UN style peacekeeping. Now, if you're peacekeeping NATO style then yes, by all means, use the design, because you'll be in conflict after conflict within that war.

McKagan, aye.]

To: Russian Federation Ministry of Defense

Welcome back to Kriegzimmer. Kriegzimmer is willing to sell production rights for a total of thirty-four billion USD. Standard it would have been cheaper, but of this eleven billion is headed to pay of the Sumerian designers who may have an objection to the sale of production rights. Nevertheless, the production rights will be sent immediately.

[signed]Kriegzimmer Board

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To: The Oligarchical Republic of Devlyn

This new order will be sent as requested to New Trieste. The 500 400mm rail guns will be sent within six months, while the 2 Argentines within twenty-eight months, and the 10 Ingeriers within forty-eight months, and the 40 Paramounts within forty-eight months as well, and finally the 50 Iliums at the same time. The variants [OOC:It was all together] of the P.746. X series have been sold at twenty billion, and your high command should receive everything that has to do with their production immediately through an encrypted databurst. That said, we hope that the trials of equipment goes smoothly, but in the end, we're sure that our equipment will preform at least decently. However, we leave that to you, the true judge. Thank you for returning, thank you for your latest business, and good luck to you.

[signed]Kriegzimmer Board

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To: The Allied States of Corzia

Although we would love to agree to your proposition, we recently sold production rights for twenty-four billion USD, simply because much of the money has to go back to the Sumerian designers. That said, we apologize deeply for the inconvinience, but Kriegzimmer's policy is to match fair prices in each order, although if you catch us later perhaps it will go down in price.

[signed]Kriegzimmer Board

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[OOC: Rolatia, who's counting? We can just assume that you paid fairly for the production rights and leave it at that. I'm way too lazy to make up prices for all of that when it's just easier to do this.]

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To: Sir Otto Eskerwald, Minister of Armaments, Rodenka

Welcome back, and we extend our deepest respects and gratitude towards His Most Catholic Majesty, King Fredrick IV. This latest order, we wish to tell him, has been confirmed. All production rights ordered will be sent immediately through encrypted databurst, while the five hundred thousand DNR-13 Recoiless Rifles will arrive within the month, and the two million ATG-44s within two months. The production rights to the Panzerwerfer M-2000 will finalize at 4.2 billion. Hopefully, that's an acceptable price. Thank you for your business.

[signed]Kriegzimmer Board

Dostanuot Loj

18-02-2006, 07:28

OOC: Mac, if you're having image problems for that AVT-12, like I see you are, here's the direct link.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v322/Dostanuot/AVT-12.png
I might come back with other areospace designs latr if you're interested.

Angelonisia

18-02-2006, 10:56

i was just seeing your avt-12 and wanted the production rights for our navy
the money will be automaticly wired when you tell us the price

The Macabees

18-02-2006, 20:15

i was just seeing your avt-12 and wanted the production rights for our navy
the money will be automaticly wired when you tell us the price

24 billion USD [the majority of which heads to the pockets of Dostanuot Loj. So, you're basically paying twice, but Kriegzimmer likes to pay high dividents to corporations that sell such successful items, especialy if it means they put more on the market]. Sorry for the crude post, but I'm itching the conquer the last twelve provences to finally complete a hole tour of Rome:Total War.

Pushka

18-02-2006, 20:34

To:[/b] Russian Federation Ministry of Defense

Welcome back to Kriegzimmer. Kriegzimmer is willing to sell production rights for a total of thirty-four billion USD. Standard it would have been cheaper, but of this eleven billion is headed to pay of the Sumerian designers who may have an objection to the sale of production rights. Nevertheless, the production rights will be sent immediately.

[signed]Kriegzimmer Board

Money wired

OOC: Sumerian designers? What?

Corzia

18-02-2006, 22:55

Of course, we understand your position. Even though it is slightly more than what we would like to pay, the design is simply too good to pass up. Consider the USD 24 000 000 000 en route to Kreigzimmer.

~Corzia

[OOC: any chance of those non-kreigzimmer designs being offered for sale in the near future?]

McKagan

18-02-2006, 23:27

[New Purchase]

To: Kriegzimmer Board
From: McKagan Imperial Defense Department (MIDD), Purchasing Board
Subject: Super Dreadnaughts

Recent Strategic Doctrine changes within the Arizona Mountain Complex have forced the IMN to examine its ship numbers. Whereas large numbers of the very capable Revolver-class Heavy Cruiser exist, our Super Dreadnaught numbers haven't grown in years. We currently field twelve (12) Super Dreadnaughts built by Kriegzimmer. We see their advantage not only as a massive naval artillery base, but as a highly secured naval airfield, as an asset we cannot pass up and must captialize on. Because of this we look to purchase a total of seven (7) more of the Zealous class Super Dreadnought vessels. The final price comes to (because of our discount) 612.5 Billion USD. This is not a rush order, it can be completed at whatever pace your corporation feels is necessary.

Southeastasia

19-02-2006, 01:41

OOC: McKagan, don't you think that having nineteen Super Dreadnaughts is a bit excessive in your navy and that you cannot maintain it?

Ireland is Hell

19-02-2006, 16:44

Comrade Che of Cuba would like to order 200xHali-37 Assault Rifle

Ireland is Hell

19-02-2006, 16:50

Hello can i get some service?

Skinny87

19-02-2006, 16:55

Hello can i get some service?

You have to wait a while - the player has to get online, see the new posts and respond to it. Patience is all when you begin.

The Macabees

19-02-2006, 18:33

OOC: Pushka, the guy who designed the aircraft changed his nation's name to Sumer. Corzia, what do you mean? And now to rush all of this...

To:McKagan Imperial Defense Department (MIDD), Purchasing Board

The order has been confirmed, and three of the Zealous' will be laid down immediately, ready within twenty-seven months. Another three will be laid down in three months, and ready in thirty months, and the final Zealous will be laid down in four months and comissioned in thirty-one months. Thank you for the order.

[signed]Kriegzimmer Board

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To: Che, Ireland is Hell

Welcome to Kriegzimmer! 'Comrade Che's' order has been confirmed, and the one hundred Hali-37 assault rifles will be delivered within seven days since it is a rather small order. Thank you for your business.

[signed]Kriegzimmer Board

McKagan

19-02-2006, 19:11

OOC: McKagan, don't you think that having nineteen Super Dreadnaughts is a bit excessive in your navy and that you cannot maintain it?

No.

Corzia

19-02-2006, 21:48

i was talking about these units:

-800mm self-propelled railgun
-Arca. III Morrigan UHBT
-Labarnas, a submirgible naval artillery platform
-Gerfaanlichi Super Dreadnought in the region of Haven.

i am really interested in the Labranas and would be willing to pay a lot of money to convince the golden throne to let corzia see the blueprints of it

[NS]Kreynoria

20-02-2006, 00:04

Out of curiosity, the Hali-42 has a listed production rights cost of $3.2 million. Not sure if it is a typo, but if it is true, I'd like to buy production rights for it.

Cotland

20-02-2006, 00:48

The Realm of Cotlands Ministry of Defense has looked through your impressive selection of military hardware, and would like to purchase a total of one hundred (100) AVT-12 Assault Transport Craft for use among our Marines. The funds, totalling at $38 billion USD if our accountants are correct, will be wired to your bank account the instant this order is confirmed. Thank you in advance.

Velkya

20-02-2006, 00:52

Kreynoria']Out of curiosity, the Hali-42 has a listed production rights cost of $3.2 million. Not sure if it is a typo, but if it is true, I'd like to buy production rights for it.

No, it just means you found a really great deal. Right Mac? :D

Southeastasia

20-02-2006, 10:25

OOC: It's a rifle Kreynoria, what do you expect? It won't be as costly as a super dreadnaught for the production rights.

The Macabees

20-02-2006, 16:58

OOC: Corzia, I don't think any of those will go on sale. They are my 'superweapons', and saying that they were specifically designed by the Fuermak [Armed Forces]. Gerfaanlich is a puppet, and the superdreadnought is the Mithradates - that said, any sale would have to go through Gerfaanlich, for although it is my puppet, it's also an enemy of the Empire. The Morrigan; I'm a firm believer that UHBTs should never be widespread on NS, so that won't go on sale. Same with everything else. They're superweapons of my nation, or my puppet's nations, and things I don't necessarilly think they should be sold, since they lose their value when everyone owns them.

Kreynoria, the production rights is equal to 100,000 rifle models, and that's what I based it on. Cheap, but I guess that's what happens with the rifle.

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To: Realm of Cotlands Ministry of Defense

Welcome to Kriegzimmer. The order has been confirmed, and that means that the one hundred AVT-12s will be delivered within two months, to your nearest port city, or city in general. Thank you for your business.

[signed]Kriegzimmer Board

DMG

20-02-2006, 17:13

Kreynoria, the production rights is equal to 100,000 rifle models, and that's what I based it on. Cheap, but I guess that's what happens with the rifle.

OOC: I couldn't help but notice that you said production rights are based on 100,000 of the said rifle model. However, the Hail-42 costs 3,200, so 100,000 of that model would be equal to 320,000,000 [320 Million], not 3.2 Million.

Ireland is Hell

20-02-2006, 20:42

Comrade Che Of Cuba would like to buy 50 x BDU-64 samson Battlesuits and is the delivery in realtime?

The Macabees

21-02-2006, 04:13

[OOC: Thanks DMG, and Ireland, it's NS time. So, it's up to you when it arrives.]

To: Ireland is Hell

The order has been confirmed, and the fifty BDU-64s will arrive within two weeks. Thank you for your business.

The Beltway

21-02-2006, 04:16

Given the recent crisis with Gilabad, the Beltway Security Force requests to purchase one (1) Elusive-class BB, with aviation included. The price comes to $5,010,000,000 US; the money will be wired upon confirmation. Thank you.
Sincerely,
Benjamin Cardin, Defence Minister of The Beltway

Corzia

21-02-2006, 05:36

yeah, i see where you're coming from. i agree with the uhbt point in particular. i guess i'll have to get cracking on some of my own designs then. thanks anyway!

Southeastasia

21-02-2006, 10:04

OOC: Mac, when are you going to get the pictures fixed up?

The Macabees

21-02-2006, 16:16

[OOC: When I have time.]

To: Benjamin Cardin, Defence Minister of The Beltway

Welcome to Kriegzimmer. We're sorry about your run into Gelibad, and we hope that this crisis is finished peacefully, or with the Beltway utterly crushing the resistance. Either way, the order has been confirmed, and the single Elusive class Battleship will be laid down tomorrow, and will be ready within twenty-six months, where it will be comissioned. Thank you for your business.

[signed]Kriegzimmer Board

The Macabees

21-02-2006, 20:52

SPAA-1 [Sel Propeic Anti-Avianet] Self-Propelled Anti-Aircraft Vehicle

History: The single largest use of anti-aircraft artillery in the history of the Empire was seen during the border battles in Ruska, lighting up the sky, targetting low flying Havenic attack aircraft, with heavier guns of 155mm calibre hitting low flying EB-9 bombers. That said, the anti-aircraft artillery found spectacular success, costing the Havenic airforce more losses than they could recuperate, and aiding to regain air superioty over Ruska. Ultimately, however, most of the guns were sabotaged by their crews as the Havenic advance continued. Any gun that could not be pulled over the River Styx was destroyed, and that constituted the majority of the guns on the south side of the river. That said, it was only the appearance of large amounts of the new Praetorian II which ultimately supplemented the loss of cannons, and the sudden influx of so many lost guns was of major concern to the generals who commanded the sector. The lack of trucks, since most had to be used to pull men off the line, or were in other fronts, had caused that the majority of the much needed cannons were destroyed, and although they did not land in enemy hands, the loss was almost as expensive as the loss of aircraft in the Havenic ranks. That said, before the Battle of Mosnoi Bor the Ejermacht put in funds for a research project in Kriegzimmer, and the SPAA-1 was the result. The result of the project would be a large self-propelled anti-aircraft artillery vehicle, which would provide the same results as smaller calibre anti-aircraft artillery, but have the added advantage of being mobile, meaning the larger 155mm guns would have the luxury of being the only towed artillery piece in the entire Ejermacht. This would obviously migitate the problems encountered during the retreat south of the River Styx in future scenarios, and it would provide a piece that could move, meaning it could redeploy to find new threats faster than a towed piece could.

The entire turret system was mounted on the chassis of an Arca. I main battle tank, using the relatively large dimensions to accomodate larger guns on the vehicle. The first units began to roll off the line on August 2016, bringing the Ejermacht one step closer to full mechanization. The patter of ever increasing mechanization had been almost completed under the reign of Jonach I, until he died in 2015. But it had been he who had ordered the release of the Corbulo self-propelled artillery gun, and it had been he who had begun the project for the Praetorian II vehicle, although it had been under Fedor Is reign in which the project had been completed. The turret for the SPAA-1 was loosely based off old Soviet designs. The Soviet Union had supplied most of the kingdoms with their equipment, until their downfall in 1991, and the great quantity of equipment left over, even by 2015, made the Soviets prime examples for future work, although by that year most of the technology was far too advance to match off the Soviets. But the fact that the Ejermacht had no matching equipment made the ZSU-23-4 and the 2S6 prime examplaries during the project, although of course, Kriegzimmer gave it a Macabee twist, so to say.

Armament, Fire and Control: Built on the chassis of the Arca. I, the SPAA-1 fields two 88mm high velocity cannons, mounted co-axially, side by side, on the turret. Each barrel has a lifespan of around eight hundred rounds, offering protracted gunfire, and loaded by two seperate autoloaders. The two guns are flanked by four tubes designed to fire MP-2 surface to air missiles for low flying aircraft. In other words, the vehicle sports two 88mm HVP anti-aircraft artillery cannon, and eight MP-2 missile tubes, offering a very dangerous combination of armaments for low flying foes looking for tactical aerial penetrations. Because of the 'dual purpose' vehicle, the SPAA-1 replaces the need for both an independent anti-aircraft gun vehicle, and a self-propelled low altitude missile system, giving the Praetorian II to be fitted with longer launcher tubes, and exchanging the P.746.B with the P.746.A, and later variants, allowing it to engage at a longer range, or a higher altitude, meaning the Praetorian II and the SPAA-1 can work together to engage different targets, meaning that both vehicles work in a mutually beneficial enviroment.

That said, the SPAA-1 works with the same radar truck as the Praetorian II, meaning a seperate vehicle does not need to be designed. Using a short range communications network the SPAA-1 can accurately engage adversaries. The vehicle itself, much like the 2S6, mounts an independent radome, allowing it to simultanuously search for targets. The independent radar trucks would normally track enemies for the longer range, more manueverable, MP-2 surface to air missile, while the SPAA-1's own radar would track targets for the 88mm cannons. The turret is stabalized, meaning the guns can fire on the move. Heat conduction is done through watercooling, giving the barrels a faster rate of fire, although still uncomparable to smaller calibre guns.

Statistics:
Length: 9.2m
Width: 3.8m
Height: 2.45m
Weight: 61t
Range: 565km
Primary Armament:
2x 88mm AAA
8x MP-2 Surface to Air Missiels
Ammunition: 50x CAPMES per cannon
Kill Probability: 75%
Armour: 27mm - 325mm
Power plant: 700hp diesel
Velocity: 65km/h on road
Crew: 3
Limitations:
- Barrel wear
- Light armour
Procurement Cost: 2.7 million
Production Rights: 15.7 billion

Pushka

21-02-2006, 20:58

We would like to purchase the production rights for SPAA-1 [Sel Propeic Anti-Avianet] Self-Propelled Anti-Aircraft Vehicle.

-Russian MoD

The Macabees

21-02-2006, 22:16

To: The Russian Ministry of Defense

Welcome back. The order has been confirmed for $15.7 billion, and everything pertaining to production rights will be sent immediately through a 1024 bit encryption sattelite databurst. We guarantee that this will be a noticeable upgrade from the Soviet ZSU-24 and 2S6, both of which were wonderful designs, but just not up to par with newer weapons and intensities, not to mention the nasty habit for the ZSU-24's coolant not to work properly, and the 2S6s habit of having the gun continue to fire even after the gunner had released the trigger. Nevertheless, good luck.

[signed]Kriegzimmer Board

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[OOC: And for all, on the same post as the P.746.X variants, there is the a new variant - the P.746.F ultra long range surface to air missile.]

The Macabees

22-02-2006, 00:28

G17 Self-Propelled 254mm Mortar

Description: The G17 is the first in a line of self-propelled mortars released by Kriegzimmer, and is one of the largest mortars to be actively fielded by any modern army in extensive numbers. That said, the weapon is loosely based off the 2S4, the largest self-propelled mortar to be fielded prior to the fall of the Soviet Union, although restricted by severe limitations forced upon it by poor Soviet engineering in the area, including a very limited traverse, and a lack of general protection for the crew do to the open mount. The G17 looks to improve and generally outdo its Soviet counterpart, as well as provide the Empire with what would be its first true indegenous mortar design. The G17 also has improved shell (bomb) technology, and is immensely more accurate than any of its predecessors. That said, the G17 also sports a higher rate of fire, a better built water cooling system, and increased range. The first units began to roll off the production lines by August 2016, comissioned for the Ejermacht.

The gun's bore is 254mm wide, or 10in, while it rises to a length of 5,340mm [5.43m]. The gun is contructed out of high grade steel, and lined with lightweight chromium, increasing the amount of barrel pressure applicable from the propellant. The G17s gun can withstand a tested 675MPa worth of pressure, allowing for larger propellants to fire larger rounds, and increasing barrel life. The solid propellant uses the full length of the barrel and the full volume of the gun to achieve maximum range if needed, and to allow greater wights worth of high explosive shells. The solid propellant itself is detonated when the shell is loaded into the breech, and the pressure of the round sets off a pin which sets off the propellant. This makes the system slightly more complex than a standard mortar tube, but allows for much simpler insertion mechanics. That said, the gun still acts as a mortar by keeping high-arcing ballistics. The trunnions are located on either side of the tube, in two vertical cylinders around the collar.

The entire vehicle is protected by a thin 18mm layer of advance modular armour protection [AMAP], offering roughly 36mm worth of RHAe on the glacis, around 17mm RHAe on the side, and around 8mm in the rear, providing enough protection against small arms, although higher calibre rounds can still penetrate the hull. That said, the system is not designed as a frontline vehicle, and is designed to operate in a protected artillery company. The crew is protected by a thin roof, which forces the rear of the gun to be elevated, but allows the crew protection. The roof is covered by blast shields, while any windows are strong enough to withstand the overpressures and other effects associated with the firing of 254mm mortars.

The G17 can receive accurate information from aerial reconnaissance, and from ground based surface search penetrating radars. Fire and control is normally battery oriented, and a single gun, or a battery, can be called on by infantry and use coordinates to base fire. More modern alternatives include laser targetting and designation, as well as radar and other light based targetting systems, such as ladar and lidar, the former being the most used. That said, the rounds used are normally rocket propelled high explosive bombs, and the G17's nominal enemies include infantry in an open field or enclosed battle, as well as close range, or even point blank, artillery duties against fortifications in urban combat. The large calibre gun can also knock out light armoured fighting vehicles, such as many armoured personnel carriers and infantry fighting vehicles, and the range of the gun gives the G17 an advantage over similar systems in this case.

Specifications:
Length: 9.2m
Width: 3.8m
Height: 2.45m
Chassis: Arca. I Cougar Ausva. A
Weight: 41t
Crew: 4
Power Plant: 700 hp disel
Range: 615km
Velocity: 75 km/h
Gross Horsepower to Weight Ratio: 25hp/t
Trench Crossing: 187.96cm
Vertical Wall Climbing: 63.5cm
Armament:
254mm Mortar
Quadruple head 30mm auto-grenade launcher system
Range: 150kg HE round @ 10,400m
Extended Range: 22,370m
Barrel Life: est. 1,200 launches
Procurement Cost: 3.1 million
Production Rights: 17.4 billion

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