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Anyway, no, you don't win.
The F-117's RCS is between .01 and .001 square meters. By "up to", I assume they mean "down to", because claiming that it can engage anything that doesn't appear any larger than 0.2 meters is ridiculous ("Sir, there's a Nianaciana dust particle!" "Shoot it down with the Antey 2500, minion number one!" "Yes, sir!")

I'm a palindrome! 8)
thats bullshit

mind a link or source?

thats bullshit

mind a link or source?Look to the left of my post! All the proof you need is right there...er...it was...

Just do a Google for F-117 RCS.

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Eurofighter is supposed to have a few basic stealeatures, but:
Wing area : 50sqm, Canard area : 2.4sqm

For the F-117, it depends on which google link you click on, it has 0.1, not 0.01. Which means I need to get tamara, turn on the laser and millimeter band radars, build a radar system twice as powerful (S-400 is more powerful than antey only I cant find specific figures, both are 20 years old in DT's world anyway), or just get some yugoslaviam SAM crewmen (do explain how the yugoslavs achieved that without tamara if you will)!

Further:
Folks on acig.org have estimated the following with regards to EU & USAF aircraft and RCS (frontal aspect):

Rafale - 1.0m^2
Typhoon - 1.5m^2
F-22 - 0.0001m^2
F-35 - 0.001m^2

This translates into a rough detection range (vs. AN/APG-63 on an F-15) of,

Rafale - 60nm
Tyhpoon - 66nm
F-22 - 6nm
F-35 - 7nm

Need I say how much more powerful S-400 or Antey is than F-16 radar?!?!?!

The success of stealth technology can be considered as such only up to the moment when it meets something more fresh than a 40 year old SAM. And even that antique SAM proved able to destroy F-117 in Yugoslavia. Modern SAM systems are DESIGNED TO detect and destroy low-RCS targets.

The S-300/400 are DESIGNED TO counter low-altitude CMs, medium-range BMs, high flyers, low-RCS and everything there is today. These systems are highly mobile - 5 minutes from the stop to missile launch for S-300, or almost nothing for an integrated system like Tor-M1


Wow, some semi intelligent debate for once :shock:

O O
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This thread not dead yet? Ugh, Kimosabee!
Me am smart, recognize stupid people get into argument over technowizzer abilitiys.

Submarinos reflecticus soundicus, no? Reflecticus of soundicus locatifus the submarino.

Lookdown/shootdownicus radaricus not function properly against low-observables at extremely low altitudicus due to ground absorbancicus and clutterificus maximus.

Bisonicus havicus crappicus missileicus that are godmodicus. Becausicus you canoticus makicus a misilicus that icus invisiblicus to IR yeticus goeth Mach 205020123. Because heicus sux0ricus.

I was looking for the right words to describe this thread, and thank you for helping me out. You said it all for me. (saved me from reading 28 pages of arguing, a typical DT thread.) lmao

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Eurofighter is supposed to have a few basic stealeatures, but:
Wing area : 50sqm, Canard area : 2.4sqmSo? :?
For the F-117, it depends on which google link you click on, it has 0.1, not 0.01.I'm not surprised you can find one link that goes your way.
Which means I need to get tamaraThere is no proof that the F-117 was downed by a Tamara-guided missile.
turn on the laser and millimeter band radarsWhich won't do you any good...
build a radar system twice as powerful (S-400 is more powerful than antey only I cant find specific figures, both are 20 years old in DT's world anyway)The more power, the more noise that drowns out the returning signal.
or just get some yugoslaviam SAM crewmen (do explain how the yugoslavs achieved that without tamara if you will)!Perhaps the F-117 wasn't properly maintained, leaving it not as stealthy as it should have been, or even *gasp!* leading to a mid-flight failure of some system!
Further:
Folks on acig.org have estimated the following with regards to EU & USAF aircraft and RCS (frontal aspect):

Rafale - 1.0m^2
Typhoon - 1.5m^2
F-22 - 0.0001m^2
F-35 - 0.001m^2So my fighters are still safe from the Antey-2500.
This translates into a rough detection range (vs. AN/APG-63 on an F-15) of,

Rafale - 60nm
Tyhpoon - 66nm
F-22 - 6nm
F-35 - 7nmSo you can't even detect my fighters until 5nm, and I never should've let them die at 200-some kilometers.
Modern SAM systems are DESIGNED TO detect and destroy low-RCS targets.Lowish RCS? Yes. New stealth jets? No.
The S-300/400 are DESIGNED TO counter low-altitude CMs, medium-range BMs, high flyers, low-RCS and everything there is today.My jets are stealthier than anything there is today.
Wow, some semi intelligent debate for once :shock:Hey, I was being intelligent before!
(saved me from reading 28 pages of arguing, a typical DT thread.)Someone should've told me this is what the war would be like...:shock:

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Where did I go so far as to say my fighters used the pathetic F-16 radar? Either way, I think you should know that I have AWACS, too :roll: :lol:
And since my fighters are also stealth, the losses thing goes both ways.

Antey-2500 is just a souped up S-300, I havent found any specific statistics on either the F-22 RCS or what the S-400 can detect.

The main theories are that yugoslavia either used tamara or chinese EWR to down that nighthawk. Take your pick.

psst... both of you shadup. Get back to the RPing.

psst... both of you shadup. Get back to the RPing.
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Slight problem for Nianancio: He may have shown that modernized S-300's cant detect stealth, but nothing about S-400, and DT should have S-500PMU by now! Also he posted something aobut laser radar with nothing to back it up, and nothing about MB radar.

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Where did I go so far as to say my fighters used the pathetic F-16 radar?Nowhere.
Either way, I think you should know that I have AWACS, too :roll: :lol:Yep.
And since my fighters are also stealth, the losses thing goes both ways.Stealthier than an F-22?
Antey-2500 is just a souped up S-300, I havent found any specific statistics on either the F-22 RCS or what the S-400 can detect.Too new to brag about, I guess.
The main theories are that yugoslavia either used tamara or chinese EWR to down that nighthawk. Take your pick.The only theories I saw were they used Tamara and the F-117 crashed.
psst... both of you shadup. Get back to the RPing.I'm still waiting for DT to post casualties.
Also he posted something aobut laser radar with nothing to back it upYea, I did.

(saved me from reading 28 pages of arguing, a typical DT thread.)Someone should've told me this is what the war would be like...:shock:[/quote]

But...I did in a TG before...didn't I?

But...I did in a TG before...didn't I?I don't remember...If you did, I didn't imagine it would be like this!

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If I post my casualties, this debate will just go on.

So modernized S-300 isnt good enough. S-400 and F-22 are speculaiton where no one will win.

What about laser radar and millimeter band radar? BTW I mixed them up, laser radar is the short range one, millimeter band radar does the trick but you need a couple of them guiding the missile.

CHINA CAN "SEE" US STEALTH AIRCRAFT!
http://www.agitprop.org.au/stopnato/19991201stealt.htm

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If I post my casualties, this debate will just go on.If you don't post casualties, nothing else can happen in the war!
So modernized S-300 isnt good enough. S-400 and F-22 are speculaiton where no one will win.Yep,
CHINA CAN "SEE" US STEALTH AIRCRAFT!
http://www.agitprop.org.au/stopnato/19991201stealt.htmSo?

...DT, post your casualties now.

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BTW, I think theres no debate on the fact that I detected those stealth aircraft, only on wether I could engage them or not. Once detected, theyd be shot down quite absolutely with AWACS and MiG-37's being scrambled. The only question is just how easily they would be shot down.

Also, on MSN gefore said he had a link for the millimeter anti stealth radar, lost it, and is finding it again. Expect this debate to end pretty soon :D

Be back tommorow.

I thought the debate was already over.

The New Rebellion is joining the war against you dark Terror! You shall fail or I will Be eliminated. I also have 007 Bond at my back. You Don't have a chance at finding me. You will wish that the day you challenged FluffyWuffy will be your last! :twisted:

ok. fluffywuffy has requested kamikazes and i am going to supply him some. Just tell me how many you want fluffywuffy and they'll be there.

Both of you are IGNORED! You have no reason in joining this war, and I urge you to step off. Before I elimnate your country. Consider it your only warning *hand hovers over big red button*

You can't eliminate a country that you're ignoring. Which will it be?

I thought the debate was already over.
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Well then theres the casualty problem:
Your "stealthier than F-22 uberdoom hets" wouldnt be allowed within range due to coastal radars, which would definitely detect them at 600km, if not engage them. Then a little squadron of MiG-37's and they get to be nice fireballs because if nothing else they either have radars, radio signals, etc. to track (which has been perfected by the chinese more or less), or theyre basically useless.

Instead of assuming DT is a shithole with no more defences than Iraq, how about posting movements? The reason everyone loves stealth is it worked against iraq in 1991. If its first use was against yugoslavia, where it got shot down, people wouldnt be so thrilled about it, congress would angrily scrap the program, etc. It worked against 1960's SAms in iraq, it didnt work too well against yugoslavia, and it hasnt been unsed since. One usage isnt enough to state it works flawlessly, K? :roll:

Also, I never used Antey's, so that doesnt help you at all.

However, I do have some of the following radars:
NEBO (55G6-1)
Mobile 3-D VHF Band Radar System

A large antenna aperture combined with high power potential provides superior long-range detection performance against any class of air targets, especially small targets such as air-launched cruise missiles and those manufactured according to STEALTH technology.

I can find the link its somewhere on the rusarm.ru site.

You can't eliminate a country that you're ignoring. Which will it be?

perhaps nuke then ignore, because I doubt they'd take 2000 ICBM casualties.

(Nianacio, im trying to get DT to post casulties on MSN)

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More info on the Nebo in case you add more uber features to your stealthy jet thingies:
-The advanced coding and processing of Radar signals, efficient rejection of active and passive jamming provides superior detection performance of the Radar in the conditions of intense interference.
-Efficient Rejection of Natural and Man-made Interference
The 55G6-1 Radar incorporates efficient systems of:
- ground echoes and meteorological clutter rejection,
- rejection of ghost echoes received by side lobes in the condition of excessive reflections (Control of Side Lobes Blanking - CSLB ),
- automatic rejection of active jamming received by side lobes and major lobe of Radar radiation pattern,
- MTI in the conditions of intense jamming with rejection of low velocity targets,
- programming of transmitter radiated frequencies at the choice of operator,
- automatic transmitter frequency agility within 15% of bandwidth adaptive to environmental interference,
- constant false alarm rate level,
- programmable frequency agility of transmitter in azimuth.


So there you go.

Ah hell...

Give me a map, a up to date sitrep and Ill send all fleets minus 5th, for home defense.

Prepare to die.

Ah hell...

Give me a map, a up to date sitrep and Ill send all fleets minus 5th, for home defense.

Prepare to die.

Who you talking to FC?

And if your declaring war on DT, I'd like to know how many fleets your sending, so I can destroy them.

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DT, think about how small something .01 meter is. That is one hundredth of a meter; approximately 10 centimeters.

Now assume that Nianacio's planes are stealthier than modern day planes; just as your radar has improved, his planes will have, not so? Let's say that, since by 2015 Stealth will have been half-again if not more as old as it is now, Nianacio can build a plane with .0001 RCA.

That is one-tenth of a centimeter. Fact is, there are dust particles floating in the atmosphere which are ferrous, and thereby radar-reflective, that size. Using a radar to try and track something .0001 meter large would be as fruitless as searching for a single drop of fresh water in the middle of the Pacific Ocean.

Now, maybe, your superradar can look at all the millions of particles, and after a while the computer says, "Hey, that one's moving too much, it might not be dust!" and sends out an alert, etc., etc. You could even have it automatically launch missiles, if you didn't mind wasting some missiles to kill dust. But saying that you can detect any Stealth aircraft is pure Godmodding.

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Would you mind telling the yugoslavs that theyre chinese radars are godmodded? K thanks.

ooc: Im coming back in two hours. When I come back, I want to see some results, and by results I mean no more childish bickering.

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DT, think about how small something .01 meter is. That is one hundredth of a meter; approximately 10 centimeters.
Well too bad that the new radars can detect it, isnt it?

Now assume that Nianacio's planes are stealthier than modern day planes; just as your radar has improved, his planes will have, not so? Let's say that, since by 2015 Stealth will have been half-again if not more as old as it is now, Nianacio can build a plane with .0001 RCA.
It is probable that the S-400 or Nebo can already detewct .01 SQM, however both the RCS' of american planes and exact detection figures are classified

That is one-tenth of a centimeter. Fact is, there are dust particles floating in the atmosphere which are ferrous, and thereby radar-reflective, that size. Using a radar to try and track something .0001 meter large would be as fruitless as searching for a single drop of fresh water in the middle of the Pacific Ocean.
Exact RCS figures are classified, it's all speculation. And judging by the Yugoslavia incident, the F-117 is probably overrated just because it was used against Iraq and its 1960's SAM's.

Now, maybe, your superradar can look at all the millions of particles, and after a while the computer says, "Hey, that one's moving too much, it might not be dust!" and sends out an alert, etc., etc. You could even have it automatically launch missiles, if you didn't mind wasting some missiles to kill dust. But saying that you can detect any Stealth aircraft is pure Godmodding.
[i]I also have Tamara and the laser radar (albeit both are short ranged). Either way, Ive never recognized stealtrh as an effective tool, and Im not about to start!

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(Nianacio, im trying to get DT to post casulties on MSN)Thanks.
So there you go.What does being able to get around jamming have to do with stealth?
Then a little squadron of MiG-37's and they get to be nice fireballs because if nothing else they either have radars, radio signals, etc. to track (which has been perfected by the chinese more or less), or theyre basically useless.They don't need to use radar -- they have IRST and IR-guided missiles. Also, my radars are a lot weaker than normal radars, so good luck picking them up.
Instead of assuming DT is a shithole with no more defences than IraqI never did that.
how about posting movements?:roll: I posted movements over eleven days ago...
The reason everyone loves stealth is it worked against iraq in 1991.Um...no.
If its first use was against yugoslavia, where it got shot downThere is NO proof that it was shot down!
One usage isnt enough to state it works flawlessly, K? :roll::roll: I never said it works flawlessly!
Also, I never used Antey's, so that doesnt help you at all.It sure doesn't help you!
I can find the link its somewhere on the rusarm.ru site.Oh, wow, they're making impressive claims to get sales!
Well too bad that the new radars can detect it, isnt it?The new radars can detect only down to 0.2 square meters.
It is probable that the S-400 or Nebo can already detewct .01 SQM, however both the RCS' of american planes and exact detection figures are classifiedIt is illogical to say, "We know we have something that has 1 uberness level, so surely we can have something with 2!"

therE IS NO PROOF IT WAS SHOT DOWN?? ARE YOU SHITTING ME?? GO EVEN TO CNN!@! ANOTHER f117 WAS HIT BUT THIS ONE DIDNT CRASH

stealth was INVENTED BY RUSSIANS! PYOTR UFIMTSOV! so yeah..
http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/f-117-dcp01496.jpg

therE IS NO PROOF IT WAS SHOT DOWN??Yep.
ARE YOU SHITTING ME??:lol:
ANOTHER f117 WAS HIT BUT THIS ONE DIDNT CRASHProve it.
stealth was INVENTED BY RUSSIANS! PYOTR UFIMTSOV!Er...no. The Germans had stealth in World War II.
http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/f-117-dcp01496.jpgThat's not a pretty picture.

I MEAN RCS REDUCTION ALGORITHMS!@! IT WAS INVENTED BY PYOTR UFIMTSOV AND STOLEN BY USA! ILL GIVE YOU PROOF :!: :!: :!: :!:

Please stop shouting. You're damaging my eyes.

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U hav 2 get sonr thre no? Tht is hrd prt wth al teh ASW helos adn figerts!

And sinca Nianancio also has mach 2 stealth missiles, consider it a godmod fest, and kindly get the hell out (in case you dont, I can tell you from experience that not leaving a thread when bluntly told to will get you a nice warning from the mods).

I don't think the mods give a flying donkey, because this doesn't even qualify as an RP. Just a flamewar.

This RP is ruined, Dark Terror is still a dumbass, and has officially proven to me he is incapable of running a decent RP.

Oops, that's why I perma-ignored him in the first place.

A great excerpt from the happy days of waay back then:
'Bisons has been nuked into a crater!'
'OMFG NO I AM NOT MY SATYLYTS BLO IT UP'
'Uh, dude, don't have a coronary.'
"Yea, your dead.'
'U GODMODERS'

Praise be to sucky RP!

Please stop shouting. You're damaging my eyes.


OKEY1!!!!!

here http://www.cnn.com/WORLD/europe/9903/27/nato.strike.03/index.html
Downed NATO pilot rescued, U.S. officials say


March 27 Pentagon acknowledged the loss of one F-117A (USAF 49th FW / 8th FS F-117A 82-0806/'HO'), which was shot down by a Yugoslav SAM of undetermined type (possibly SA-3 or SA-6) and crashed near the village Budjenovci. From the available footage of the F-117A wreckage it is possible to see bullet holes in the wing of the bomber, probably caused by a 23mm anti-aircraft gun. The damage to the rest of the aircraft seemed severe and looked like it indeed was caused by a SAM. Latest information suggests that the F-117 was shot down by an SA-3 surface-to-air missile with optical guidance. Pentagon officially confirmed that the F-117A was tracked by an enemy radar and that two SAMs were launched at the aircraft. In an interview with Associated Press on November 24, 1999, retired USAF Gen. Richard Hawley, formerly the head of Air Combat Command at Langley AFB in Virginia, talked about the loss of the F-117A 82-0806 during the Kosovo conflict. Gen. Hawley said that prior to the aircraft's departure from Aviano there "was a better that 50 / 50 chance it would be shot down. Those are unacceptable odds." After retiring from the USAF on June 11, 1999, Hawley blamed US field commander and other military planners for not correctly understanding the strengths and weaknesses of the aircraft. Hawley said "They put the 117 into a situation it wasn't designed to handle, so we lost the airplane, and I attribute it as much to a breakdown in our mission planning as to anything else... It encountered defenses we knew it was not designed to handle and it didn't need to get put into that situation." The USAF investigated the loss of the F-117A, however, keeps its findings classified.




another f117 detected and engaged by surface-to-air missiles April 30 An F-117A of the 49th FW was damaged during strike mission by a nearby explosion of an SA-3 SAM, "...causing loss of part of the tail section, but the aircraft was able to return safely to Spangdahlem air base, Germany." (source: Air Forces Monthly, July 1999, p. 75)

OKEY1!!!!!TH4NK U!!!!
hereWhat does that have to do with "PYOTR UFIMTSOV"?
Pentagon acknowledged the loss of one F-117A (USAF 49th FW / 8th FS F-117A 82-0806/'HO')So they admit an F-117A was lost.
From the available footage of the F-117A wreckage it is possible to see bullet holes in the wing of the bomber, probably caused by a 23mm anti-aircraft gun.So it's not invisible to the human eye.
Latest information suggests that the F-117 was shot down by an SA-3 surface-to-air missile with optical guidance.So they didn't get it with anti-stealth radar!
Pentagon officially confirmed that the F-117A was tracked by an enemy radar and that two SAMs were launched at the aircraft.So they detected a stealth plane.
Gen. Hawley said that prior to the aircraft's departure from Aviano there "was a better that 50 / 50 chance it would be shot down.So it was used incorrectly.
another f117 detected and engaged by surface-to-air missiles April 30 An F-117A of the 49th FW was damaged during strike mission by a nearby explosion of an SA-3 SAM, "...causing loss of part of the tail section, but the aircraft was able to return safely to Spangdahlem air base, Germany." (source: Air Forces Monthly, July 1999, p. 75)So they didn't get a perfect target lock and thus couldn't down it.

So they didn't get a perfect target lock and thus couldn't down it.


MAYBE because its a FRIGGIN 60S technology!11 okeys?!?
http://www.fas.org/nuke/guide/russia/airdef/sa_3_a.jpg

In 1966 a well-known Soviet mathematician, Pyotr Ufimtsev, published a paper in which he described mathematical methods to predict RCS of two-dimensional objects. Ufimtsev's work was directly used by Lockheed's mathematician, Denys Overholser, to develop computer software known as "Echo 1", which could calculate the RCS of an aircraft constructed of flat panels. This program was used to find the optimum geometry to minimize an aircraft's RCS. The resulting structure became known as "Hopeless Diamond", which lies in the basis of F-117A's external construction. Simply put, the flat, angled external panels of F-117A are designed to reflect radar waves in all directions but the direction of the radar's receiving antenna. This means that to effectively track F-117A one would have to use multiple radars (or, at least, multiple receivers.) Needless to say that the geometrical requirements for minimizing the RCS established by "Echo 1" program had little place for considerations of aerodynamics. The resulting aircraft had the aerodynamics of a flying coffin (some of the modern anti-stealth radars take advantage of F-117A's poor aerodynamics and target the aircraft by detecting the considerable trail of turbulent air left by the aircraft's boxy airframe.)

To answer one simple question: is the F-117A invisible to radars? No, but it is difficult to detect. Theoretically, the F-117A or any other "stealth" aircraft can be detected by a radar operating at any reasonable frequency with sufficient power output and conveniently placed receivers. However, in real life, power output of radars is limited and most radars have only one receiving antenna. This means that reliable detection of F-117As would require considerable modifications to the technology of today's radars and methods of detection. To find out more about theoretical and practical aspects of anti-stealth radars click here:
http://www.aeronautics.ru/lbandradars.htm

One of the volnurabilities of the F-117 are its bomb bay doors: when these are opened to release weapons, the aircraft's RCS increases dramatically, making it an easy target for any radar. The bomb bay doors of F-117 are of relatively primitive construction and open to a vertical position, they cause the aircraft's RCS to jump to a level of any conventional aircraft of similar size. It is believed that F-117's bomb bay doors are linked to RHAWS (Radar Homing And Warning System), which prevents doors from opening if the aircraft is being tracked by an enemy radar.

So he published a paper twenty-one years after the Germans developed stealth...Maybe the Americans stole from the Russians who stole from the Germans?

So he published a paper twenty-one years after the Germans developed stealth...Maybe the Americans stole from the Russians who stole from the Germans?



since when the germans developed mathematical algorithms for reduction of radar cross section? :roll:

So he published a paper twenty-one years after the Germans developed stealth...Maybe the Americans stole from the Russians who stole from the Germans?



since when the germans developed mathematical algorithms for reduction of radar cross section? :roll:

since when the germans developed mathematical algorithms for reduction of radar cross section? :roll::roll: I never said they did. I said they had stealth aircraft.

Look, all your bickering has made a cute artitsan orphan cry! *points to baby thats crying* Way to go.

*Adopts baby to make it happy?*

You're back early! :o

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Actually yes, the mods do give a shit. Now get the hell out, you ignore me :roll:

Nianacio, areguement goes both ways. Impressive claims are made about F-117, yet SA-3, and SA-6 can be used with limited effectiveness against them. You said the F-117 may have crashed, Geforce just proved that 40 year old SAM's can shoot down the "stealth" bull. S-400=SA-20. That enough for you? Exact figures on both the latest radars and the stealth planes are classified, so its speculation. You post something to the effect of "stealth works" with an article, I post something to the effect of "no it doesnt" with an article, and its pointless.

By movements, I meant posting your so called "stealth" so that it could be given the ritual being shot to pieces.

How about half are shot down, and half make it :tantrum:

How about half are shot down, and half make it :tantrum:

This is getting annoying, isnt it?

http://www.ebaumsworld.com/forumfun/gay.jpg

You said the F-117 may have crashed, Geforce just proved that 40 year old SAM's can shoot down the "stealth" bull.He didn't "prove" anything, although one of the quotes he posted said that it's thought that the one F-117 was NOT shot down by a radar-guided missile; it's thought to have been shot down by an optical-guided missile.
By movements, I meant posting your so called "stealth" so that it could be given the ritual being shot to pieces.:?

Geforce4, the (at least 2) mods (and I) consider ebaumsworld pictures spam.

*Accepts nomination for most patient NS player* 8)

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Yet stephistan uses ebaumsworld herself!

I guess Stephistan is the one mod who said it's okay.
Two were against it and was was for it.

tgram me when you two are done bickering.

I'm not bickering.
I'm waiting for casualties.

one heavy missile cruiser is sunk because its crew died of old age waiting for you all to post for casualties.

Actually, you are one of the people I'm waiting for.

one heavy missile cruiser is sunk because its crew died of old age waiting for you all to post for casualties.

OOC: HAHAHA!

What a pitiful excuse for a war, you guys should all read the posts at the top of the forum. Especially the one which shows examples of wars.

Don't blame me, Dutch Marines. Geforce4, Dark Terror, and The Macabees are all not posting casualties.

im not posting because im lost here :x seriously make a new thread or something, i couldnt rp a war because i was bothered by homosexual zoophiles on msn yesterday :?

You are not helping by feeding all of the pointless arguments.

i was bothered by homosexual zoophiles on msn yesterday :?:?
You are not helping by feeding all of the pointless arguments.They're not pointless.

"As you can see, our navy is not a force you want to disturb. Artitsa's fleet is demolished." Or at least it should be...
*As the president speaks, the ships are huddling around the supply ships (getting more missiles that will be fired at DT's fleet) and twenty-six fighters are preparing to fly toward the DT fleet in maximum stealth (stealthier than an F-22), each aircraft's internal bays loaded with two EMP-warhead anti-ship missiles that will fly toward enemy radar, two forty-mile-range air-to-air missiles, and one one hundred thirty-kilometer-range air-to-air missile. Meanwhile, another five SLEMs (what I call my sub-launched EMP missiles) are being prepped for launch at DT's fleet, another five for launch at The Macabee's fleet, and another five for launch at Geforce4's fleet.*
"Neither is our space force. As I'm speaking, a few of our laser-equipped satellites should be over Dark Terror, shooting down any satellites it or Artitsa have up there."
(I think earlier in this thread I said I was moving their attention from TATA to DT. And no, the president is not giving you enough warning to scramble high-altitude fighters to shoot them down.)
*The speech is not over, but by now, there should be satellites raining down, fleets being made powerless, and, moments later, being hit by just as many missiles as Artitsa's fleet was hit by.*
Which, by the way, is a bit over 5,200 missiles.

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Sorry, my keyboard is fucked over, cant make colons :? . Also, if anyone can tell me how to move the links in my internet explorer from the side to the middle like it used to be, Id appreciate it.

The stealth debate is going nowhere We both choose a link with the speculation that we like most, and ignore the other info. The yugoslavs still shot ONE plane down with the SA-6, so tough luck for you.

Anyways, slight problem with your 5,000 ASM's;
- 300km range opposed to 500km range (Weve beaten this into the ground because each of us simply chose the source he liked about the SS-N-19 and repeatedly posted it)

Also, POST WHEN YOUR FLEET STARTS MOVING IN RANGE, RATHER THAN JUST SAY "OOH I LAUNCH 5,000 ASM'S AT YOU NOW"!!

IC;
I still have my reserve fleet subs in the area, which are moving to intercept your fleet. This includes 12 Oscar 3 class SSN'S, the rest being a mixture of moderized older SSN'S and SSBN's converted to SSGN'S. Areas within 300km of the Bisonic fleet will be patrolled by Pelican ASW ekranoplanes and Il-38 May maritime patrol aircraft, areas closer to the fleet are patrolled by Helix helicopters.

In case more Nianacian ships decide to arrive the other way, the fleet of subs down south remains.

Dont forget my subs are still there.

So we're going back in time?
"The fleet's going to be vulnerable while it re-loads. Come right to course 090." "Aye, sir."
"Steady on course 090"
"Make my depth four hundred feet." "Aye, sir."
"Make my speed twenty knots." "Aye, sir."
*Time passes as the submarines pull farther and farther out in front of the fleet.
"Conn, Sonar. I have a new contact, bearing 353, designated Sierra 1."
"Conn, Sonar. I have a new contact, bearing 357, designated Sierra 1."
"Conn, Sonar..."
*The sonar room fills with report after report of new contacts.
The submarine reduces its speed to four knots as it struggles to identify and launch torpedoes at the new targets, as do its companions.
As soon as it gets off all four loaded torpedoes, it races below the closest thermal layer.
There, it creeps along until it's estimated to be behind the enemy submarines.
The submarine cautiously rises into the warmer water into the baffles of an enemy submarine.*
OOC: That is, it does if there are still any left after fifty-two torpedoes with almost invisible wake signatures are launched.

The yugoslavs still shot ONE plane down with the SA-6, so tough luck for you.One problem for you: They didn't use radar.
Anyways, slight problem with your 5,000 ASM's;
- 300km range opposed to 500km range (Weve beaten this into the ground because each of us simply chose the source he liked about the SS-N-19 and repeatedly posted it)Actually, my missiles have a 625km range. ;)
Also, POST WHEN YOUR FLEET STARTS MOVING IN RANGE, RATHER THAN JUST SAY "OOH I LAUNCH 5,000 ASM'S AT YOU NOW"!!Probably sometime before they launch them. ;)

once this conflict is over, tgram me.

once this conflict is over, tgram me.Oops, forgot to TG you when we stopped arguing. You want me to TG you after the war? Or someone else?

I dunno. When the arguing stops. If you need me, I'll be designing my new tank.

OOC;
Oh. I though they were reloading oh 1000km away? My mistake. I think this time theyll get into missile range, which means I can kiss my fleet good-bye, but my subs and planes should ruin your CVBG's (not to mention MY fleet firing back). :cry:

IC;
Deciding that the previous air actions had not been "decisive enough", the Bisonic Aerial Forces are conducting the following actions against the incoming Nianancian fleet:
-72 Mo-1's (all time classics)
-94 Tu-22M5's (better engines and payload) each with 4 -4's
-164 Su-24M3's each armed with 2 Yakhont-4's
Escort provided by:
-48 MiG-37M's
-72 MiG-35M's
-96 JF-20's

Also, 12 Oscar 3 subs are moving within 500km range (or trying to).

OOC;
Oh. I though they were reloading oh 1000km away? My mistake.OOC: They started loading some distance away, but the subs went out to clear the way as they slowly approached (ya can't go fast when you're transferring missiles between ships!). 'Cuz I forgot to post them moving into range. :cry:
Deciding that the previous air actions had not been "decisive enough", the Bisonic Aerial Forces are conducting the following actions against the incoming Nianancian fleet:
-72 Mo-1's (all time classics)
-94 Tu-22M5's (better engines and payload) each with 4 -4's
-164 Su-24M3's each armed with 2 Yakhont-4's
Escort provided by:
-48 MiG-37M's
-72 MiG-35M's
-96 JF-20'sI see. I'll have to start launching more jets. *Gives the order to start launching more jets.*
*Has 674 more fighter jets to launch*
Also, 12 Oscar 3 subs are moving within 500km range (or trying to).Your subs and Jaxusism's subs are what my subs are shooting at. *Is confused*
*Has to go*

*Artitsan jets take off from their airbases around the country (As listed before)*

Oh, so NOW your shooting at my subs!!!!!???? *faints*

FluffyWuffy: 46 Durchbruch Panzers make their assault on your northern flank from Artitsan held territory. These are Breakthrough tanks, designed to defeat defended locations. 240 GT-1 (T-80UM6) tanks are waiting several miles behind to rush in after the line is broken. Several hundred ground attack aircraft and their escort are being taxied onto their respective runways. Once your artillary fires, these planes will be in the air, in an instant. 20 Hind-35Ms and 48 Kl-60 Attack helicopters accompany the Durchbruch Panzers into the enemy line.

(If you want to know the specific makes of these jets and numbers, just ask. I will reveal it later.)

Oh, so NOW your shooting at my subs!!!!!???? *faints**Pours a bucket of water on Jaxusism*
Wake up! Casualties need posting!

i am with Dark Terror screw your damands Fluffy boy even though i have no army (i think) i am allying with dark terror

um... right then. Wars ..uh... pretty much over... you can just mosey on outta here now.

Casualties??? YOU WANT ME TO GIVE YOU CASUALTIES? Ill give you casualties! Loss of age for ALL my crew members! They're all 8382832 years old now!!11111!!!!!!!!!!!

How many attackers did you have at me? Then Ill decide the stinkin' casualties.

whoops i was kinda late GOD DAmnit

whoops i was kinda late GOD DAmnit

whoops i was kinda late GOD DAmnit

Thirteen subs firing four torpedoes each (more will be fired if there are subs left) at your and DT's subs.

Considering me and DT had more subs and we were firing 1st, we lost 4 submarines and damages to 2 other submarines. HAPPY??? And we're still firing if any of yours are left. HAPPY!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?! *faints again*

OoC : This is my 1st official and real war, so if Im unrealistic, tell me and Ill change it...

Considering me and DT had more subs and we were firing 1stNo one ever said that, and my subs can detect most other subs at four times the distance they can be detected themselves.
we lost 4 submarines and damages to 2 other submarines. HAPPY??? And we're still firing if any of yours are left. HAPPY!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?! *faints again*Don't panic! *Face gets stuck like this :arrow: :shock:* How many torpedoes did they launch? :?
OoC : This is my 1st official and real war, so if Im unrealistic, tell me and Ill change it...Seems to me more subs should've sunk, but I guess that depends on how many subs DT has in the area...Maybe we should wait for DT to post casualties before we do, because I don't know how many subs he has.

Yeah, I retract my casualties until DT posts his!!!!111

*waits another 8374378437 years*

ooc: You should probably loose your entire sub force Jax. Subs don't take damage. They die.

OoC : Meh, whatever. Ill wait to redo my casualties after DT does, then Ill worry about that.

FluffyWuffy: 46 Durchbruch Panzers make their assault on your northern flank from Artitsan held territory. These are Breakthrough tanks, designed to defeat defended locations. 240 GT-1 (T-80UM6) tanks are waiting several miles behind to rush in after the line is broken. Several hundred ground attack aircraft and their escort are being taxied onto their respective runways. Once your artillary fires, these planes will be in the air, in an instant. 20 Hind-35Ms and 48 Kl-60 Attack helicopters accompany the Durchbruch Panzers into the enemy line.

(If you want to know the specific makes of these jets and numbers, just ask. I will reveal it later.)

I forgot to add, 120 Volk Infantry Fighting vehicles are accompanying the attack along with several hundred MLRS laying down fire upon your lines.

DT, post your casualties so we can end this thing!

Seeing an oppertunity, the Artitsan high command allows 6 Battleships - 4 Older J-Series and 2 Newer Missle Battleships of better design (Scala) to sneak in and set up bombardment from the waters outside Dark Terror coast where Fluffywuffy has set up a beachhead. Estimated time to arrival: 30 minutes.

Well after announcing before that i was gonna fihgt, i got really busy in my real life. So today i will be announcing that the Grand fleet would be usless and that its luanch would take too much time, so it has been put on proverbial shelf, untill further notice. In light of this Ardor will be participating in these actions. So, i would like to announce the grouping of several fleets on the ardorian coast. These ships will include:

4x Nimitz class carriers
2x RedDragon Class super carriers
42x KIDD Class Destroyers
18x Ticonderoga Class Cruisers
20x Aleigh burke Class Destroyers
16x Kirov Class Crusier
22x Oliver Hazard Perry Destroyers
13x Spruance Class Destroyers
7x Iowa Class Battleships
4x Ohio Class Subs
9x Los Angeles Class subs
8x Seawolf class subs
14x Virginia class subs
7x OscarIII class subs
6x Severodvinsk Class subs
120x ETC. supply ships

This force will be finished assembling off the coast in less than 2 days as the Entire fleet was harnored when hostilities broke out between surrounding nations.

Also some 50,000 Troops and over 20,000 tnaks are in the process of beeing assembled seeing that the fluffian beach head is a major threat.

DT has to post casualties for anything to happen, because the casualties he has to post are in the past. :?
This is too confusing...

DT's computer is FUBAR!!!

Sorry. :( I guess time has been paused again.

OOC:
My comps internet went back to the stoneage. :evil:

Casualties when I can get on for more than 20 min. 5,000 ASM's meet few thousand SAMs. My fleet meet Mr. Fishy for the most part.

About your subs:
Maybe Id detect them? I posted sending Il-38 May and Ka-27 Helix helos near the subs just for this :?

Dont forget the five sub-launched EMP missiles.
The helos are 65km in front of the subs? I thought they'd be closer than that.
BTW, I don't know if you already know, but Geforce4's dropped out of the war.

Nianacio, how high are the EMP's being detonated. More than likely they would disable your ship as well. I just found this out. So all those casualties I posted before... those shouldn't have happened because your fleet would have been knocked out as well.

OOC: Don't worry, the 'blast' radius for a single warhead is only about 80m (I think that's reasonable...). Which is why I launched five missiles for each fleet.

are ye sure? Apparently the wave only lasts for about 2 seconds, but if one was detonated over the middle of the USA at about 20,000km, most of NA would be knocked out. (And If you try that, I launch every nuke I have.)

No, I'm actually quite not sure. :? I suppose the 80m radius is only if they explode at ground level. I just took the minimum radius for a 2,000lb (microwave?) bomb, and adjusted it for a warhead of only 800lb.

oh well. *shakes fist at EMP's*

*does jig of waiting*
http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2003-9/365830/dancebmage.gif

SO are you guys gonna allow my fleets in there. cuase if you are its been long enough for them to be in the artic by now.

OOC:
The helos would be in the 50km radius range of the subs, the Il-38's would be slightly further out.

I guess youre not too enthusiastic about the Shkval underwater rocket being used against torpedoes in a specially designed version?

To clear some stuff up:
-Fluffywuffy claims to get B-747's past radars which will detect them at about 2500km :roll:
-Nianancio tries to use stealth against me (bad idea)
-Nianancios fleet is moving into range as the submarines assemble to blow it to hell
IC:
7 Oscar 3 SSN's are sunk.
30 Oscar 3 class SSN's, being held in reserve, are moving against Nianancios fleet to join the rest.
The 5 surviving Yankee Notch class subs have been restocked in port and are moving back out as well.

Every available Il-38 May (total of 60) is being used in the operaiton against the Nianancian fleet, as well as hundreds of Ka-27's.

OOC:
OOC:
The helos would be in the 50km radius range of the subs, the Il-38's would be slightly further out.I see. Hooray for thermal layers! ^_^
I guess youre not too enthusiastic about the Shkval underwater rocket being used against torpedoes in a specially designed version?It'd help the other torpedoes find your subs...:?
-Nianancio tries to use stealth against me (bad idea)Goodgoodgood idea!! ^_^
IC:
7 Oscar 3 SSN's are sunk.Fifty-two torpedoes sink only seven subs? :?
30 Oscar 3 class SSN's, being held in reserve, are moving against Nianancios fleet to join the rest.Eheehee, I have reserve subs, too! Thirty-seven to be exact, and they're moving for action!
The 5 surviving Yankee Notch class subs have been restocked in port and are moving back out as well.They restocked in a few minutes, maybe even seconds? :?
Every available Il-38 May (total of 60) is being used in the operaiton against the Nianancian fleet, as well as hundreds of Ka-27's.Oh noes!!! I suppose those few hundred fighters I have will only shoot down all of them...

Until you guys clarify the casualties, Ill be waiting right here...

Nianacio, check your TGs.

Nianacio, you launch your planes I launch mine. You bring in your reserve fleets, I bring in mine. I will bring about 24 Missle ships within range and just let loose with thousands of Yakhont-4's. Don't think I won't do it.

OOC: Did you guys ever receive my armies or I should I reorganize them and repost them?

Nianacio, you launch your planes I launch mine. You bring in your reserve fleets, I bring in mine. I will bring about 24 Missle ships within range and just let loose with thousands of Yakhont-4's. Don't think I won't do it.OOC: Then I'll launch two salvos of SLEMs, the second knocking out the backup systems when they come online.
Jaxuxism: TG answered.

TG again. 8)

DT or Artitsa can you take control of my troops if I reinforce you with them? I don't have the time to RP all the time...I'm grounded.

If yes then the following will be sent to counter attack.

Heeresgruppe E - Field Marshall von Runstedt

1 million infantry
3,000 Pz. VIII's
1,500 Stug III Ausf. B SAM's
1,500 Pz. VII's
1,500 Pz. IV's
1,500 Jagdtigers (Anti-tank)
3,000 300mm Elefants (assault self propelled artillery)
1,500 155mm Crusaders (same as above)
30,000 300mm Howitzers (fixed artillery)
2,000 SS-101's
4,000 SS-102's
2,000 B-52's

They will hook up with your front as soon as you say yes...if no they will not assume a march.

[signed]Finegold III

Here is what I sent a while ago... it is now amassing ready to march to defend the region.

DT or Artitsa can you take control of my troops if I reinforce you with them? I don't have the time to RP all the time...I'm grounded.

If yes then the following will be sent to counter attack.

Heeresgruppe E - Field Marshall von Runstedt

1 million infantry
3,000 Pz. VIII's
1,500 Stug III Ausf. B SAM's
1,500 Pz. VII's
1,500 Pz. IV's
1,500 Jagdtigers (Anti-tank)
3,000 300mm Elefants (assault self propelled artillery)
1,500 155mm Crusaders (same as above)
30,000 300mm Howitzers (fixed artillery)
2,000 SS-101's
4,000 SS-102's
2,000 B-52's

They will hook up with your front as soon as you say yes...if no they will not assume a march.

[signed]Finegold III

Here is what I sent a while ago... it is now amassing ready to march to defend the region.

Nianacio, you launch your planes I launch mine. You bring in your reserve fleets, I bring in mine. I will bring about 24 Missle ships within range and just let loose with thousands of Yakhont-4's. Don't think I won't do it.OOC: Then I'll launch two salvos of SLEMs, the second knocking out the backup systems when they come online.
Jaxuxism: TG answered.

I have already developed a counter. EMP SAM systems, and seeing how you launch salvo's of five, shouldn't be hard to take down. I will then launch nuclear weapons at your fleet. Leave these waters immediatly.

OOC: You've developed a new weapon in a few seconds/minutes/hours game-time? I see.

Jaxuxism: Why?

OOC: You've developed a new weapon in a few seconds/minutes/hours game-time? I see.

Jaxuxism: Why?

I sent another.

I sent another.Sorry, I should've been more clear. That was in response to the TG, not the post saying I had another.

Oh no we haven't. I've had EMP research for the past few months now, and since it isn't fairing to well in the underthe see department we put it in SAM's

The Blast isn't very powerful, but it can knock out electronics withing 20 meters of the missle.

FW, are you done playing with DT yet?

OOC:
I sent fighters up as well, escorting the strike planes. I think Id better send a few hundred more...

They restocked in a couple days, but if you really care, theyre still restocking.

I have many more reserve subs, too. Including Typhoons converted to SSGN's, who between them, have enough ASM's to make your head spin!

*bumps up 7 subs sunk to 12 subs sunk*
Happy?

OOC: *bumps up 7 subs sunk to 12 subs sunk*
Happy?I think it should still be more. Fifty-two torpedoes is a lot.

I sent 100000000 anti-torpedos!!!!!1111111oneoneone!111111

OOC:
I only sent 12 subs to the area.

Unless youre trying to get your subs in the middle of my fleet (read: idiocy), you got 100% success.

OOC: Oooh...IOTW, I OOCly overestimated your sub forces, leading to my forces ICly looking incredibly stupid...

OOC:
Yep. Intelligence failure maybe?

ooc: That must mean your subs have expended alot of their ammo *grins*

OOC:
Yep. Intelligence failure maybe?OOC: I s'pose at the really long disance they launched torpedoes at, they couldn't get very good sonar readings.
ooc: That must mean your subs have expended alot of their ammo *grins*They each have 16 more torpedoes. Ya'll should've started this war before I upgraded my subs.

OOC: Fluffywuffy is grounded, just so you all know. He can't get on the computer.

IC: well, i'm going to be generic and launch a few F-22 Raptors (nothing special) and i guess i'll go with about a dozen of those. Oh, i'm also going to deploy two-dozen seawolf class subs.

They'll go quickly but oh well.

Seawolf class
Power Plant: One nuclear reactor, one shaft
Length: 353 feet (107.6 meters)
Draft: 35 feet (10.67 meters)
Beam: 40 feet (12.2 meters)
Displacement: 8,060 tons (8,189.35 metric tons) surfaced; 9,150 tons (9,296.84 metric tons) submerged
Speed: 25+ knots (28+ miles per hour, 46.3+ kph)
Cost: about $2.1 billion each
Crew: 13 Officers; 121 Enlisted
Armament: Tomahawk missiles, MK-48 torpedoes, eight torpedo tubes.

OOC: Fluffywuffy is grounded, just so you all know. He can't get on the computer.

IC: well, i'm going to be generic and launch a few stealth fighters, more specificaly F-22 Raptors (nothing special) and i guess i'll go with about a dozen of those. Oh, i'm also going to deploy two-dozen seawolf class subs.

They'll go quickly but oh well.

Seawolf class
Power Plant: One nuclear reactor, one shaft
Length: 353 feet (107.6 meters)
Draft: 35 feet (10.67 meters)
Beam: 40 feet (12.2 meters)
Displacement: 8,060 tons (8,189.35 metric tons) surfaced; 9,150 tons (9,296.84 metric tons) submerged
Speed: 25+ knots (28+ miles per hour, 46.3+ kph)
Cost: about 2.1 billion USD each
Crew: 13 Officers; 121 Enlisted
Armament: Tomahawk missiles, MK-48 torpedoes, eight torpedo tubes.

Type: YF-22
Engines: 2 156kN P&W F119-PW-100
Wing Span: 13.10m
Length: 19.55 m
Height: 5.39 m
Wing Area: 77.10 m2
Empty Weight: 14061 kg
Max.Weight: 26308 kg
Speed: 2335 km/h
Max Speed: max speed 2655 km/h (Mach 2.5)
Range: 3704 km
Armament: 20mm cannon, internal bays for two AIM-9 and four AIM-120A or six AIM-120C air-to-air missiles, or two AIM-9, two AIM-120, and two air-to-surface missiles, external hardpoints for four more AIM-120s or other ordnance
Unit cost: 90 million USD each

OOC: go ahead and laugh, but i was too lazy to get anything creative.

the YF-22s were the Raptors and here's some better statistics for those subs:

Power Plant One S6W reactor
one shaft at with 52,000 shp with pumpjet propulsor
propulsion submerged motor

Length 353 feet (107.6 meters)
Draft 35 feet (10.67 meters)
Beam 40 feet (12.2 meters)
Displacement 7,460 ton surface displacement
9,137 tons submerged displacement
Speed
Official: 25+ knots (28+ miles per hour, 46.3+ kph)
Actual: 35 knots maximum submerged speed
Actual: 20 knots tactical ["silent"] speed

Operating Depth Official: "greater than 800 feet"
Actual: About 1600 feet

Armament
eight 660-mm torpedo tubes
50 Tomahawk cruise missiles or
50 Harpoon antiship missiles or
50 Mark 48 ADCAP torpedoes or
up to 100 mines

Crew
12 Officers; 121 Enlisted

oh and sorry for the double posting; my computer's acting up.

Are you declaring war on DT or me? *hand hovers over big red button*

ive been on Fluffywuffy's side since a while ago but havent been on, so i dont know who's allied with who, but if you're against DT then i'm not fighting you.

fluffywuffybunny

I am on DT's side.
So at your age you have two dozen sea wolf attack subs? I find that hard to believe. However I have constant sweeps from ASW helicopters and destroyers. The chances of finding you are high. As your F-22's near I pick them up on my huge radar bases on the island, and 3 Squadrons of Za-42's scramble to meet the threat.

OOC: i have support from my other nations and fluffywuffy, and besides, its not like they pose too much of a threat with your helis.

IC: ok, um, can i see what a Za-42 is? i havent heard of it.

Its a figher made by GeForce4. The thread was deleted, when he comes online I'll ask him for the specs. Its a naval interceptor, stealthy, and theres about 36 heading towards your 12.

OOC:
24 Seawolfs at your age? Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiight..

Also, I think it would be for the better to temporarily suspend IC posting in the thread...

Also, I think it would be for the better to temporarily suspend IC posting in the thread...

Hate to spam, but there was no IC posting. Just alot of arguements, you whiners. Suck up your losses and RP. BOTH SIDES!

OOC:
There was some IC posting, I posted ground losses and Nianancio sank 12 of my subs, also 5 Nianancian carriers and 36 of his destroyers were sunk.

OOC:
There was some IC posting, I posted ground losses and Nianancio sank 12 of my subs, also 5 Nianancian carriers and 36 of his destroyers were sunk.
better then nothing.

Hey, DT and everyone else, make this war interesting and go here (http://www.chinapage.com/sunzi-e.html).

I guarrentee complete victory to whoever reads it first. I'm waiting to put it into practice with my RPs...

OOC:
There was some IC posting, I posted ground losses and Nianancio sank 12 of my subs, also 5 Nianancian carriers and 36 of his destroyers were sunk.
better then nothing.

Hey, DT and everyone else, make this war interesting and go here (http://www.chinapage.com/sunzi-e.html).

I guarrentee complete victory to whoever reads it first. I'm waiting to put it into practice with my RPs...

I like Cleary's translation and interpretation far better...but its good enough.

OOC:
24 Seawolfs at your age? Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiight..

Also, I think it would be for the better to temporarily suspend IC posting in the thread...
How much would 24 Sewolfs cost? 24 Billion approx.? 48 Billion has been wired to Arsons! Enjoy! Be sure to visit any of Free Rumania's fine storefronts!

OOC:Actually, 3 bil each.

Secret IC:
RF has been alerted to your planned punishments, lets watch the marxist pact flay you. Maybe you and ADK will destroy each other (best case scenario).

OOC: I'm trying to shut down this war because I'm needed elsewhere...Even if DT refuses to accept peace, he won't be able to do anything to me once my forces leave the theater.

OOC: I'm trying to shut down this war because I'm needed elsewhere...Even if DT refuses to accept peace, he won't be able to do anything to me once my forces leave the theater.
Well give you peace, well give you peace. Bye. We will make no effort to stop your withdrawal.

OOC: Basically, I want to finish the IMMEDIATE naval conflict, then I'm pulling out.

ooc: Im welling to bet this won't be the last we've heard of Nianacio.

ooc: Im welling to bet this won't be the last we've heard of Nianacio.OOC: Don't waste your money. ;)

OOC: Basically, I want to finish the IMMEDIATE naval conflict, then I'm pulling out.
OOC:
Well, wont affect my plans very much.
IC:
The Bisonic Fleet promptly decides to follow the planned mass sub attack, and turns away from the Nianancian fleet, towards the coast. From there it will hug the coast and sail around Cape Izhbeti in southern Ardor, and if you pursue, the coastal batteries will leave nothing left of your fleet.

The "Grand Attack" is about to begin.

Seeing an oppertunity, the Artitsan high command allows 6 Battleships - 4 Older J-Series and 2 Newer Missle Battleships of better design (Scala) to sneak in and set up bombardment from the waters outside Dark Terror coast where Fluffywuffy has set up a beachhead. Estimated time to arrival: 30 minutes.

FluffyWuffy: 46 Durchbruch Panzers make their assault on your northern flank from Artitsan held territory. These are Breakthrough tanks, designed to defeat defended locations. 240 GT-1 (T-80UM6) tanks are waiting several miles behind to rush in after the line is broken. Several hundred ground attack aircraft and their escort are being taxied onto their respective runways. Once your artillary fires, these planes will be in the air, in an instant. 20 Hind-35Ms and 48 Kl-60 Attack helicopters accompany the Durchbruch Panzers into the enemy line.
Just wanted to make sure everyone was aware of this :twisted:

OK I am back. I have been grounded and for today (at least) I am free. I have tried (tried is the key word) to post from school but I do not have enough time.

In this little time I have, I will now defeat all of Dark Terror's/Artisia's/All of my Enemies' fleets/armies in one single, clean, strike.

The 8 HyperSoar bombers I have in my possesion (considering they are so damn expensive, yet so damn effective) rush off from a base deep from within the Empire.

The 8 bombers rush to Dark Terror at hyper-sonic speeds while flying in an out of the atmosphere. At a certain point in the flight, 4 of them drop the massively powerful 30,000 pound slab of steel at the enemy fleet, while the other 4 launch them at the enemy land forces.

I think that was the weight that those could carry (I made them a long time ago) but I will check to be sure.

Why you should now be scared/dead:at the speed that these things are going (over Mach 10) and altitude that they fell from (over 100,000 feet)
these things will slam into the ground/water with the force of a small nuclear bomb(so I have been told by those that use similar bombers).
And at the impossibly high speeds these things are going, you couldnt even hope to shoot them down. Or if you hit them/they break, it will cause a shotgun effect.

And you ask how I hit you from my home? These bombers have a range high enough to take off from a field and land on it after flying around the world.

Heat build up, you say?
The skips off of the atmosphere coupled with the cryogenic hydrogen fuel and its shape will rid the craft of most heat problems.

The time is too long to be effective, you say?
At over mach 10, I can fly from Chicago to Tokyo in 72 minutes.

It is god-modding, you say?
If 99% of nation-states can have trillions of dollars collected from taxes with your GDP being $0, then this can pass.

What do you mean by that?
With a 100% tax rate, then the people have no money at all, they cannot buy anything, the bussineses go bankrupt, workers cannot be paid, the government collects nothing in taxes, the people should be rioting in the streets, fighting for a penny they found, dying from lack of food......but yet, we acknowledge they exist.

Just no. There are just so many things wrong with that, it boggles the mind. So basically I can say, you just dropped nuclear weapons and killed civilions, smooth move. Now post your casualties for my attack (in which case your own bomb would injure your own forces) and 6 battleship fleet which is about .5 miles from your beachhead. Don't tell me you can precision guide your steal bombs of doom so that they only kill unfriendly units.

Killed civilians? And how would I do that if the battle is (as far as the maps I saw) were far away from large urban areas? Oh sure, the small little homesteads (if any, I believe they would have been trampled over by both DT and me at the same time).

Killed your six battleships? No. I am hitting a fleet, not a group of six ships that would have been engaged long before they entered the five miles you stated. At that range, my MRLS can hit them, my ships should have already hit them, heck, even a lucky tank shot could hit that.

And Artisa, how can you say this is so wrong when you are the Nazi-Commie empire? Nazi and Communists HATE each other's guts, and the ideals of the two contridict each other. Fascism (the Nazi idealogy) is bascicly the idea that nothing matters but the state. The country must be strong. Screw the people, we need an empire! Communists desire for the state to dissolve and the world to be run by the world's proletariot (basicly, the working class) and for every human to be equal. The Bolsheviks envisioned this by starting revolutions in countries world wide. Lenin died, and that idea seamed to die with him as Stalin took power.

uh... Fluffy...
Commie-Nazi is a joke...from the simpsons. Holy shizen. THATS THE JOKE! Im well aware that its an Oxymoron, and thats why I found it funny.

Go ahead and launch your MLR's, they would do nothing to a Battleship, whilst diverting MLR's attacks from my main assualt. Face it, your beachhead would be in ruins, your fleet has already been engaged several times by other countries. Read back and find the posts. Its quite feasible for my battleships to sneak through, its only about a 30 mile move from Kien the home port, to your beachhead. Oh by the way, your nuke thingy, destroyed the Third Artitsan fleet. Congadulations. I would launch nuclear arms at you, but There is a military coup in progress, and a rogue general has control of the missles. State your losses to the ground attack, and Shore bombardment.

ooc: Please note, most if not all battleships can take several SEVERAL hits from Cruisemissles and only recieve minor damage. Please ask CSJ, or visit his thread about naval ships.

Answer to hypersoars:
Il-76's with lasers and Tupolev Tu-2000's with hyperasonic long range AAM's. If you want to use bordeline bullshit, so will I.

OOC: Hmmm...DT, how many aircraft do ya have in the air anywhere near my ships?
:o

OOC: Hmmm...DT, how many aircraft do ya have in the air anywhere near my ships?
:o

hehehe. Im sorry, couldn't help it.

OOC:
Near your ships? Next to none since the IC posts were supposed to be suspended.
IC:
As part of the change in plans, the aerial strike force has temporaririly turned back to land...

IC:
A mass of tanks, artillery, and AFV's are assembling just outside FLuffywuffy MLRS range.

Meanwhile, 750 Scuds have been launched at the Fluffywuffy troops. Every possible aircraft that can be used for attack is in the air, from Su-17M4's to MiG-41's and Su-39M1's.

OOC:
Something for fluffy too respond to when he gets online again.

OK I am back. I have been grounded and for today (at least) I am free. I have tried (tried is the key word) to post from school but I do not have enough time.

In this little time I have, I will now defeat all of Dark Terror's/Artisia's/All of my Enemies' fleets/armies in one single, clean, strike.

The 8 HyperSoar bombers I have in my possesion (considering they are so damn expensive, yet so damn effective) rush off from a base deep from within the Empire.

The 8 bombers rush to Dark Terror at hyper-sonic speeds while flying in an out of the atmosphere. At a certain point in the flight, 4 of them drop the massively powerful 30,000 pound slab of steel at the enemy fleet, while the other 4 launch them at the enemy land forces.

I think that was the weight that those could carry (I made them a long time ago) but I will check to be sure.

Why you should now be scared/dead:at the speed that these things are going (over Mach 10) and altitude that they fell from (over 100,000 feet)
these things will slam into the ground/water with the force of a small nuclear bomb(so I have been told by those that use similar bombers).
And at the impossibly high speeds these things are going, you couldnt even hope to shoot them down. Or if you hit them/they break, it will cause a shotgun effect.

And you ask how I hit you from my home? These bombers have a range high enough to take off from a field and land on it after flying around the world.

Heat build up, you say?
The skips off of the atmosphere coupled with the cryogenic hydrogen fuel and its shape will rid the craft of most heat problems.

The time is too long to be effective, you say?
At over mach 10, I can fly from Chicago to Tokyo in 72 minutes.

It is god-modding, you say?
If 99% of nation-states can have trillions of dollars collected from taxes with your GDP being $0, then this can pass.

What do you mean by that?
With a 100% tax rate, then the people have no money at all, they cannot buy anything, the bussineses go bankrupt, workers cannot be paid, the government collects nothing in taxes, the people should be rioting in the streets, fighting for a penny they found, dying from lack of food......but yet, we acknowledge they exist.

Nice move, I like that and will keep this idea on the back burner for experiments. The concept would be exactly like an asteroid smashing the earth and very workable/realistic. Even impacting water with that weight and velocity would cause one hell of a tidalwave smashing and sinking anything within a 4-5 mile radius. FW is evil? lol

FW is stupi8d, because I simply had my laser forces open fire on them :lol:

Actually, FW is right. Which reminds me that I have to lower my taxes. Due to the restart of this war, my F-19 Stealth Disk-Fighters are being put on alert for protection. I hope that this happens the way that I'm planning it to...

Actually, FW is right. Which reminds me that I have to lower my taxes. Due to the restart of this war, my F-19 Stealth Disk-Fighters are being put on alert for protection. I hope that this happens the way that I'm planning it to...
Oh, you again.

I think very lowly of stealth, just ask Nianancio :roll:

I need not of your approval, all I need is to ensure the safety of my allies and I. As one of the highest ranking nations in FW's region, I wish to host a peace treaty. If it is possible, I would like to talk to you about it. Is there a way we can have peace, and stop this childish and worthless war?

DT? Do we have an agreement or not? Let me just remind you, if you do not agree to this, thousands and millions of people will be murdered. This is not a "surrender" agreement, just a truce. My region has just formed a Constitution, and part of it is that all nations should seek peace during war-time.

*Declares -Rome- to not be on his side*
Jaxusism, here's the thread.

I am on FW side, I just feel that this war is going nowhere. So what's the point of it?

I need not of your approval, all I need is to ensure the safety of my allies and I. As one of the highest ranking nations in FW's region, I wish to host a peace treaty. If it is possible, I would like to talk to you about it. Is there a way we can have peace, and stop this childish and worthless war?
Yes, Fluffywuffy can get the hell out, I will finish off Nianancio, and then the revenge killings process against jaxforce and kazakhstania can begin.

The gulags are not negotiable.

Is that a yes or no?

I need not of your approval, all I need is to ensure the safety of my allies and I. As one of the highest ranking nations in FW's region, I wish to host a peace treaty. If it is possible, I would like to talk to you about it. Is there a way we can have peace, and stop this childish and worthless war?
Yes, Fluffywuffy can get the hell out,
Then no, I wont attack him.

I am on FW side, I just feel that this war is going nowhere. So what's the point of it?I'm on FW's side, but I don't consider you to be on my side even though you're also on FW's side.
I will finish off NianancioYa got that backwards.

Look, buddy. I have around 150 subs assembling, ready to blow your fleet to pieces.

THen theres ardors fleet, which will mop up whats left.

ooc: DT, my civil war is over, and the government won. Can we pick up those refugees now?

secret ic:

FW, here's forty billion dollars and a weeks worth of food, oil, and ammo. Go wild.

Sure, pick em up.

Secret IC:
Heres $20 bil and plenty of wepaons to the current terror group in Bonstock

Need any help?

Need any help?
Sure, I could ue more airplanes...

Whoa, whoa. I want to have a peace treaty conference with you...ONLY you. We can create a post for it at 12:00am tomorrow.

Whoa, whoa. I want to have a peace treaty conference with you...ONLY you. We can create a post for it at 12:00am tomorrow.Is "you":
Dark terror
Johnistan
Bonstock
Nianacio

Whoa, whoa. I want to have a peace treaty conference with you...ONLY you. We can create a post for it at 12:00am tomorrow.
Agreed, who will host it?

OOC:
About the naval war:
I pulled my surface force back, if you pursue, youll get into range of my sub force, which, incidentally, is hunkering at the bottom, avoiding all contact, more or less surrounded by Mi-14's, Tu-142's, Il-38's, Ka-27's, and A-40's, which are guarded by masses of fighters.

If you want to get into the sub range and pursue my fleet, Ill post its exact composition.

"Prhatiano! The war is over!"
"Indeed it is, Taro! Do you think we'll soon be sent back to the tanaho rumaha?"
"Ne, I think not. I have heard that the transports are filled not with men, but building supplies!"
"Building supplies! What are they going to build, an island?"
"Ies, that is exactly what I heard! We'll be stuck in this ship until they're done building an island!"
A third tentara'o joined the conversation. "The transports were not sunk?"
"No, they weren't! No one even tried to sink them!" answered Taro.
"Mengherankana!" the other two said at once.

OOC: I'm building an island outside Dark Terror's territory.

ooc: you fiend!! Your Idea is dastardly

ic:
"Sir... it seems they are building something off DT coast line."
"Those sly dogs."