NationStates Jolt Archive

((I gtg for tonight. See ya'll later.))

DT simply has its fleet of Nanuchkas, Scorpions, and S-1900's head right for the transports at flank speed (OOC: About 40 knots for them..)Whats? :oops:
Note that the transports are guarded by five carrier groups.
OOC: Does anyone know how much Sealand weighs? Yes, this is relevant...
Bye, Artitsa.

DT simply has its fleet of Nanuchkas, Scorpions, and S-1900's head right for the transports at flank speed (OOC: About 40 knots for them..)Whats? :oops:
Note that the transports are guarded by five carrier groups.
OOC: Does anyone know how much Sealand weighs? Yes, this is relevant...
Bye, Artitsa.

Sealand???

DT simply has its fleet of Nanuchkas, Scorpions, and S-1900's head right for the transports at flank speed (OOC: About 40 knots for them..)Whats? :oops:
Note that the transports are guarded by five carrier groups.
OOC: Does anyone know how much Sealand weighs? Yes, this is relevant...
Bye, Artitsa.OOC:
5 CVBG's...

Uhh, the Bisonic Admiral in charge of that fleet is no longer drunk and that fleet is turning back :wink:

OOC: Sealand???There are some links about Sealand here (http://www.metafilter.com/mefi/25149).
Uhh, the Bisonic Admiral in charge of that fleet is no longer drunk and that fleet is turning backNooooo...

OOC: Sealand???There are some links about Sealand here (http://www.metafilter.com/mefi/25149).

ooc: Wasn't that the doomed underwater research station? Or I am way off?

ooc: Wasn't that the doomed underwater research station? Or I am way off?From one of the links in the link:
"Sealand is a self-proclaimed sovereignty in the middle of the North Sea. In 1966 a British family took possession of Sealand, which was then a disused World War II gun platform. Now, it has its own currency, flag, stamps and its own profitable business, HavenCo."

While we are still unable to aid DT militarily, we offer DT 1 trillion dollars in aid (money wired).

While we are still unable to aid DT militarily, we offer DT 1 trillion dollars in aid (money wired).

Military power is weak against the combined forces of the FluffyWuffy, Arsons, Thunder Mages, And all of the allies. Be prepared for the worst war in history. 8) Enjoy your life while it lasts :twisted:

OOC:

*stomps on thread brutally, screaming 'DIE! DIE! DIE!' at the top of his lungs*

Nov 2003 countries eh....

Ardor, have your fleets attack Nianancios 5 CVBG's, Ill take on Fluffy if he doesnt end the war now.

This isn't over yet? What shall it take to finish this?

This isn't over yet? What shall it take to finish this?
20 more Nianancian carriers on the bottom of the sea!

The Bisonic Fleet, is currently in Ardorian ports, repairing the damamge done by Nianancio and East Islandia, as shipyards complete new ships.

This is the president of the FEDERATION OF LA BAY and we have been following this war for some while now and belive the matter is getting out of hand!

I would be happy to send some troops out to to the war so you may hurry up and win this already!

We only have a small nation at the minute with a population of 6millon most of our population is highly trained in security and extreme measures
combat.

If you may be intrested in our proposal to help out in this war please send me a telegram

Why don't all you November 2003 nations get out of here before I sneeze and destroy your nation. I don't care how many allies you think you have. Bugger off, consider this a closed RP.

Since FluffyWuffy hasn't responded, my Sub is now under the enemy fleet.

I'll tell u why we wont bugger off its cos were the future old man u r ancient and were the nations of tomorrow were the kind of people that keep this place running sure we may not no much but u were new once so get a life and get a grip

the battlegroups should be there about now. the escort group's destroyers and cruisers, along with 30 F/A 18 superhornets, and 60 Su-37Ks, will launch, airplanes carrying 3 radar-detecting sea-skimmer missles each, while the ships will fire 20 cruise missles (upgraded Tomahawks) each.Was that directed at me? My fleet left about 2 hours before that post real-time.

Also...how long after a post of deployment will you guys let a fleet arrive?
attacking fluffy.

"Sir. Enemy action in the area."
"How close are they?"
"Ummm..."
"If they're within 300km, launch missiles and run back to meet the fleet."
"And if they aren't?"
"Then keep 'em outa range and don't fire until they do."
The ships have 1,440 ASMs.
I'll tell u why we wont bugger off its cos were the future old man u r ancient and were the nations of tomorrow were the kind of people that keep this place running sure we may not no much but u were new once so get a life and get a gripJ0, be nice.
attacking fluffy.Okay.

OOC:
Fighters with 300km range missiles guarding your fleet? How cute
IC:
36 massive MiG-37M "stealth" interceptors, each near 100 feet long but equipped with a mach 4 top speed, 200 mile rnage radar, and 14 AAM's, roared down their runways, heading within missile range of the Nianancian fighters.

((If you say you pick it up on sonar, I am so spitting on your grave.))

I could easily pick it up using active sonar. Stealthy subs only are stealthy against unactive sonar or when they are below the sonars range (which renders you unusable if you are that deep)



Having picked up the co-ordinates of enemy artillary, Artitsan FT-165 'Whitefire' MLRS (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=79698&highlight=) and the ELS-400 MLRs (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=76224&highlight=) through the massive launch. Firing from Artitsan territories, a total of 2400 from the ELS-400s, and 12,000 from the Whitefire's.

Again, shoot and scoot tactics allow me to fire and move. You are firing at the wrong location. For those that arent 'hitting' artilery, you've got a good chance for a hit.

And as the President of FW has said:

"The Empire will not launch any invasion force to the soil of Artisa;owever, the Empire will return fire to any Artisian attacks. Also, Dark Terror has the option of ending this war tommorow if they dismantle thier gulags and develop more civilized means of punishment (by civilized he means anything but gulags; he would prefer death over being tortured in a barren, maybe frozen, landscape)


ooc: There has been confirmed kills in WWII of british subs sinking Italian and German subs, and American subs sinking Japanese. Im far to lazy to go look though.

I am pretty sure those were surface engagments, but I am not perfect, so you may be right.

As far as the ground war....DT, you've got 100,000 grenades, and over 40,000 missle+rockets hitting your army....I havent heard of any weapons system that can shoot hand thrown grenades, so we can assume that they made it in. Your men can TRY to throw them back, but I guess that the majority of grenades will explode near enemy soldier, wounding them or killing them. Heck, tanks can be damaged by these things.

Rockets can be shot down, but a large number of them (even if half are downed) will make it through, and I am sure that men and tanks alike will have much fun in dealing with those.

To end this (and go to what was said in the telegram) just dismantle A gulag, start dismantling one, and then rebuild them secretly.

OOC:
Fighters with 300km range missiles guarding your fleet? How cuteOOC: Yea, but I was talking about ASMs. Unless there's someone to shoot at already in range, I'm taking care to stay out of range of any danger. And if there is someone to shoot at, you have to post casualties.
Stealthy subs only are stealthy against unactive sonar or when they are below the sonars range (which renders you unusable if you are that deep)Yep.

Shoot and scoot, uhmm OK I fired radar homing missiles at them as they turned on their radars. Bang!


Fluffy, wars dont work like 100,000 troops standing in a line tossing grenades at the enemy army. Besides, theyd bounce off my vehicles, and your missiles can be jammed (OR SHOT DOWN). 65% jammed, most of the rest shot down, or blown of coruse by HE-FRAG grenades or these nice mine launching systems on the turret (Deathclaw). The mine launchersa, apart from the capability to engage incoming missiles due to the MW radar, can engage your troops at close ranges.. My army is fully mechanized (AKA everyone is in an APC or IFV), have small firing ports, so they can fight from the vehicles.


However, regarding grenades: Ive fitted all of my APC's and IFV's with AGS-30 grenade launchers. "Fire!"

Yes, I am aware that most armies do not throw grenades in mass numbers, but guess what? Mine did.

And as far as grenades bouncing off of tanks, they would/might end up near tracks/under the tank. If they get under the tank, your tank is wounded.

You radar jamming only works on the missles, but they are only told to hit somewhere in your massed army. Thats about 3000 missles (from the ships) with the other 39,000 being unguided rockets.

Grenades: you get less than me because:

A.Not everyone on your APCs get GLs
B.Some of your APCs are dead from my grenade attack
C. A large number should be dead from the massive rocket attack.

Now, my MRLSs will launch a second wave while moving to a completely differant spot. Now you've got another 39,000 rockets.

ill get Javelin numbers in a hour or so..

Look, if you lined up your army of 100,000 troops in one big line in that narrow space (you said it was narrow), all my artillery and MLRS systems (who BTW caught on to shoot and scoot) would leave your narrow area a big hole in the ground. The AGS-30 can start launching grenades at 1.5km range, you can throw grenades uh... 50 meters at best? You might damage the tracks, which are protected by sideskirts as well as a frontal applique armor block, if youre lucky, then get mercillesly butchered by the machine guns of the tank. Then if you have that big line of troops, my APC's and IFV's start firing various chaingun rounds from 23 to 45mm caliber at your line, as tanks use their 40mm coaxial autocannons. Kaboomskey?

How about this: I make a longer, more detailed post on my attack, explaining why your grenades wont work.

Once your javelins are jammed, they uhh basically hit the ground in fornt of my army, another improvement the Bisonic Cerberus system has over the decades old Shtora-1 (DT being 2015 tech, Shtora is 30 years old!). cerberus also features an anti missile system (more or less good old ARENA).

About your MLRS darting around... cut the crap, Ive launched hundreds of anti radiation missiles each time they turned on their radars. Either they dont use the radar fire method anymore, or a good deal of them are dead.

The MRLSs arent going counter-battery anymore. I havent described any counter-battery work since the original one-time thing.

Grenades: SUre, blow me away with as long apost as you can as to why it wont work. I enjoy it :D.

One thing: If my hill has sides like castle towers near a gate, my men are throwing down to you from 3 areas. I also assume that you are surrounding my entire position. But, if you insist I didnt do this, have it your way. Or insist I did it and have me have a lot of suicidal soldiers :wink:

One thing about your hill:
DT is mainly steppes (coastal hills are grassy dunes more or less, you can have cliffs here), the Shilka AAA with my army points up and blasts your towers away.

Can I ask for a quick description of your hill so I can do the post correctly?

Here is a drawing of the hill (by towersI mean the thing that stick out..you'll see)
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*insert fleet about 10 miles away*

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Its screwed up for some odd reason, but the towers are just hills that jut out from the hill.....grass hill should be all the wa across. Right side does have cliff, but i didnt draw it

OOC:
In that case, let the festivities begin!
IC:
The first scouting group of BRDM-3B's cautiously moved up to the opening of the hill's grassy slope. Conducting the scouting mission at night, the day after a massive artillery barrage indicating the start of the massive second attempt to take the hill (the first one was succesfully repulsed by the Fluffywuffy legions, with the Bisonic troops withdrawing and regrouping for a second try), they were laying the groundwork for the mass attack to take place the following night. As the Bisonic High Command assumed that any self-respecting army would deal quite easily with scouting helicopters in almost any conditions, the solution had been to design a scouting vehicle with low radar, IR, and visual signatures. Small UAV's of United Elias were quickly added, resulting in the BRDM-3B.

A modified United Eliasian UAV, the Locust was designed for as low an IR signature as possible, hopefully making it difficult to detect. During the daytime, it could be mistaken for a crow. During the night, with its black paint, the Locust would be near-impossible to detect. However, as it was equipped with night-vision technology (OOC: Whatever you call those thermal imaging cameras... well you know what I mean, I hope), it was hoped that while you could not see it, it could see you.

The several BRDM's approaching the slope of the hill paused for a few moments, before launching their Locust's, which quickly starting flying up the hill to see what was over its crest, as one of them turned away to scout out the cliff and towers.

JXNN (Jaxusism News Network)

Jaxusism President Jax went on the news today, and said this...

"We, of the Jaxusism Government, have decided to send our Foreign Status to the waters of Dark Terror, and have declared our allegiance with them in this war. They have asked us to hold their POWs in one of their POW Bases, and we have send our Foreign Status to do so. We have handed them XR-1s and some other weapons to defend. This will be a great success for Jaxusism in their 1st official international war! Thank you!"

ALL of the Foreign Status was sent to protect the POW Bases. This will make sure no prisoners can make any illegal moves. Some protestors have gone onto the streets, but were assured by our ally, Jaxus, who is a very democratic nation, that the Jaxus Government is working with the Jaxusism Government to be neutral again. Jax Jaxusism and Jaxius Jaxus are meeting next week to discuss this war.

President Vladimir Oladsky (Dark Terror) asked today that 80% of the Foreign Status be moved to the Ardorian borders. The command was followed out. President Jax also said, "20% is more then enough".

OOC:
BTW, fluffy, lets say you repulsed the attacks on your hill (though the rail network more or less brings in reinforcements and replacements from the troops based at Kamrov, a city further inland), and try to RP out a nighttime attack rather than "352693258692-386 tanks and APC's attack you!
"1273450875203 MLRS, and 232340598723 grenades are used against them!"

((So you can pick up my sub, that is like 2x more silent than a Sea Wolf, and is going roughly 5 knots? Bah! just allow the RP to continue.))

The Artitsan army prepares to launch another assault on the beachhead. A Further 500 GT-1's are brought up to make sure its accomplished. 280 SS-101's take off from Airports all over Artitsa, heading straight for any MLRs systems that are left from the massive barrage of over 12,000 Missles. (which would carpet your narrow beachhead anyway, their not going to target the same place when firing from multiple vehicles)
200 SS-102's are taxing on the runways to support the SS-101's, and deeper in Artitsa, 24 SS-201 Heavy Long Range bombers take off, heading for the beachhead.

OOC:
ARTITSA, WHEN WILL YOU REALIZE HE PICKS IT UP WITH SONAR, NOT BY NOISE! AND YES, HE CAN!

so be it any enemy thats lays one foot into dark terrors boder wit get there a** whooped my nation might not be big but its strong like a... a... erm... a... Chipmunk it may not be big but they hurt like hell if they claw u or bite u! and if u attck me u have coreworlds on your hands and the federal union!

so be it any enemy thats lays one foot into dark terrors boder will get there a** whooped my nation might not be big but its strong like a... a... erm... a... Chipmunk it may not be big but they hurt like hell if they claw u or bite u! and if u attck me u have coreworlds on your hands and the federal union!

News flash!

Today la bays president Conor sent a cruiser and 1000 troops to dark terror although it is a very tiny group and only 1 boat la bay like to help out any ally

also sent out was 1 Sea King Asw chopper To patrol the skies over darkterror

OOC:
Just asking (my radars wouldve told me this)
- How much fighters are guarding your 5 CVBG's?
- How far away are they from your fleet?
IC: As of right now, the Bisonic Reserve Fleet, containing "slightly older models" is sailing around the tip of Ardor to attack the 5 Nianancian CVBG's before more naval units arrive. All the ships have, of course, been fitted with more modern weapons such as the Yakhont and Yakhont-4 SSM's, SS-N-30 "Sentry" ASROC (OOC: Not RL missile, Ill explain its stats a bit later), Kahtan-M cloase air defense system, and the SLAAM-5 and SLAAM-1M SAM's. (OOC: It is not coming within 300km of your fighters... also, before you scream "GODMOD!!!!111", remember that these are older ships modernized, not ones we built or purchased recently. DT existed during the cold war, so this is whats left over from back then! Also, most can only serve 1 funciton, mainly ASW or air defense. Theyre small, coastal defense ships, corvette might be an exxageration.)

The Bisonic Reserve Fleet contains (an asterisk after the name indicates low RCS):
• 40 Scorpion Missile Boats*
• 36 Nanuchka VI Corvettes
• 60 Tarantul VI Missile Boats
• 3 Ulyanovsk class carriers
• 2 Slava-M class cruisers
• 14 Kresta class cruisers
• 4 Kynda class cruisers
• 7 Kara class cruisers
• 19 Kashin class destroyers
• 12 Parchim class corvettes
• 4 Kiev class carriers
• 2 Moskva class carriers
• 32 Krivak class frigates
• 1 Koni class frigate
• 20 S-1900 class corvettes*
• 91 (not a typo) Grisha class corvettes
• 45 Petya class corvettes
• 18 Mirka class corvettes
• 6 YANKEE NOTCH class submarines

In addition, the 30 Oscar 3 class SSN's returning form the Unum Veritas conflict are to be dispersed north of Dark Terror to hinder the progress of any new Nianancian warships, they will be joined by 30 Kilo SSK's (armed with SS-N-27's like the indian version) and 15 Amur SSK's. Hopefully, they will be able to inflict decent losses in any new unwelcomed arrivals.

ooc: Dark Terror, your excuse for "jamming" an anti-tank missile is flawed. How much does it cost to equip ALL of your tanks with it? And what about TOWs?

OOC:
Hundreds of millions, maybe low billions (I have an $8 trillion military budgetm 33% of my budget). But its worth it.

TOW? Arena or Deathclaw will knock it off course with their HE-FRAG munitions which are fired at it once millimeter wave radar detects it. TOW is slow, so the kill is inevitable.

20 Artitsan Oscar III class Submarines move 1000NM off of the coast. The newly arranged 6th and 7th Fleets are also moving out of their respective ports.

(Forgot to add: My subs are also moving 1000 nm off the coast)

OOC: I can't really do any RPing until Monday, I think. Starting last night.

OOC:
BTW, time will stand still since Im going to Cancun for a week, leaving tommorow morning.

*cough* (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=93614)

OOC:
So really nothing the Yak-44BM AWACS wasnt deisnged to handle with its array of various look down radars....OOC: So AWACS can get locks on stealthy sea-skimming supersonic missiles? Hmmm...

Artitsa, who're you coughing at?

OOC: Using look-down radar, and look-down millimeter band radar + laser radar, yes.

At closer ranges theres always radar homing close defense SAMs, as your missiles turns it radar on, it gets blasted apart. Although that missile is still in development...

OOC: Using look-down radarI don't think so.A high resolution look-down radar is very attractive since it takes advantage of target shape to overcome difficulties encountered with small RCS. The look-down geometry, however, imposes three requirements: 1) the radar should detect targets with small relative velocities from almost zero to about the velocity of sound with no blind speeds, 2) it should minimize ground clutter by using short pulses, and 3) the radar signal must have a thumbtack ambiguity function.
laser radar, yes.Hmmm...
Ladar can be foiled either by blocking line-of-sight between the ladar and its target or by using stealth.
At closer ranges theres always radar homing close defense SAMs, as your missiles turns it radar on, it gets blasted apart. Although that missile is still in development...That's easily solved by using the IR or anti-radar homing modes.

Our look down radar is basically a rotodome on the bottom of the aircraft.. (BASICALLY). Laser radar can be defeated with ultradark paint, which you didnt mention, so there you go.

Solution

Blast the plane out of the sky

Solution

Blast the plane out of the sky
Problem:
It has escorts. :roll:

Our look down radar is basically a rotodome on the bottom of the aircraft.. (BASICALLY).That doesn't change the fact that it can't be used against targets moving faster than sound...
Laser radar can be defeated with ultradark paint, which you didnt mention, so there you go.My missiles are stealthy. LADAR can be foiled by using stealth. Thus, LADAR is not helpful when trying to get a lock on my missiles.

Wasnt the whole damn point of laser radar to be an anti stealth radar? Bah, I should stick to ground tech...

The whole point of the Bisonic designed look down radar was to be used against sea-skimmers. Its literally a radar facing downwards. And if you say radar cant be used against supersonic objects, uhh thank you for the discussion.

Wasnt the whole damn point of laser radar to be an anti stealth radar? Bah, I should stick to ground tech...*Shrugs* Maybe my source was messed up...
And if you say radar cant be used against supersonic objects, uhh thank you for the discussion.Look-down radar can't be used against something moving at a relative speed over the speed of sound.

Yes, maybe it WAS messed up. Care to post it?

If the following aobut lookdown radar makes no sense, Ill shut up, but Bisonic look down radar is simply a regular radar pointing downwards! If you think radars cant be used on supersonic targets, look at what happened to the SCUDs.

---Posting for Free Bonstock (ie Maropian Coast) and ignoring previos posts---

Hey DT,

I ask that you do one thing for us, and we will help you wholeheartedly in your war (ooc: and perhaps knock some sense into this RP...). If you extridite a few of the war criminals who bombed our factories and started a murderous fire that killed millions so we can give them punishment Mostly public humiliation will be the punishment, some random protestors get to throw tomatoes at them, spit on them, and insult them. We wont execute them. I just want to set things right and give some closure to the families of the dead. We figure its not your fault that you bombed us and it caused that big fire, it was your pilots bombing what happened to be a place filled to the gills with oil and civilians.

If you do this for us, we will send all the forces we can spare from our war with the communists to help you in you war with Fluffywuffy and Nianacio. To seal the deal, our President will visit your nation and officially sign a peace treaty ending the war we've had for a while (ooc: there was no formal peace treaty; I simply paid you a lot of money). We believe that this will benefit both of our grat nations.

So whadda ya say? What have you got to lose?

--Response to Maropian Coast--
Weve said it once, and we wonder again when it will penetrate your thick skulls: WE only bombed airfields, and a few railway lines and bridges. OUR ALLIES turned Port Yuko into hell-on-earth.

--Response to Maropian Coast--
Weve said it once, and we wonder again when it will penetrate your thick skulls: WE only bombed airfields, and a few railway lines and bridges. OUR ALLIES turned Port Yuko into hell-on-earth.

The whole point was your allies followed by example and bombed it. You DID bomb some of Port Yuko, causing your allies to do the same.

*remembers the part where Wazzu interfered with his lasers*

Then again, Wazzu did set things straight for us. Perhaps we can get a few people to stand trial for the bad bombing practices, perhaps be court martialed. Just something to provide some degree of justice to the families still suffering.

ooc: I'm cartain it started with you.

You see, Port Yuko is located on the tip of a penninsula. You bombed a large factory, the gigantic ArmsDiscounters Bonstock buildings, which started a fire. The factory is at the base of the peninsula, and you didn't tell your allies to bomb elsewhere. So they bombed my fire crews, and the fire spread and cut off the tip of the penninsula. With no fire departments left, and hardly any ships able to take so many people to safety, the fire simply swept down the peninsula and killed everyone. So it may not have been your fault completly, but you should have told your allies that continuing to bomb an already burning city was simply the cause of excess collateral damage. You started, they followed, you led them, so its your fault, by my logic. They were "following orders," to my best guess.

Yes, maybe it WAS messed up. Care to post it?Mmm...no. It's just a roleplaying site.
If the following aobut lookdown radar makes no sense, Ill shut up, but Bisonic look down radar is simply a regular radar pointing downwards! If you think radars cant be used on supersonic targets, look at what happened to the SCUDs.*Shrugs* I don't know enough about radar to know how that'd work. And no, I do not think radar can't be used against supersonic targets.

OOC:
The bulk of the kills would be achieved bny the Kahtan-M system at coser ranges, which combines the following:
- 8 Ready to fire close range SAMs at any time (32 in magazine)
- 2 6 barrel, 6,000 rpm, 30mm Ak-630M CIWS

i think you mean Kashtan-m

Uh, this war seems to have devolved into a huge argument. Oh, by the way, the JAC/Mapalgetian Parry weapon system on Blade tanks can shoot down hand-thrown grenades.

OOC: Yeah, this is the JAC, posted as puppet again, but I'm too lazy to log off and then on again.

Wasnt the whole damn point of laser radar to be an anti stealth radar? Bah, I should stick to ground tech...

The whole point of the Bisonic designed look down radar was to be used against sea-skimmers. Its literally a radar facing downwards. And if you say radar cant be used against supersonic objects, uhh thank you for the discussion.

OOC: Think!

Your radar is above the target, pointing down. It utilizes sound waves, which are fired off towards the ground, hit stuff, and bounce back up.

So, if the supersonic object is heading at an angle parallel (or facing away from) the plane, the sound waves WILL NEVER HIT IT, because it has already left the area in the time it takes the sound waves to get there first.

Except, oh wait, radar doesn't use sound waves, it uses electromagnetic radio and microwaves, which move at immediately under the speed of light. So you are actually correct in that radar can indeed be used against objects which move slower than light, no matter which direction they are facing. Sorry, Nianacio

To argue that your radar can detect supersonic, small items in an immense background chatter area, however, is overkill, IMHO. Especially if it is just a "regular radar pointing downwards," designed to look for objects in an essential "other crap-free" area (ie. there are no huge chunks of "stuff" hanging in the air to make detection of planes difficult; not so with the ocean). While there have been developed terrain-following radars, they are most assuredly not "normal."

OOC: It is also worth mentioning that your ultra-small-wave radar, which supposedly makes it possible for you to detect anything, no matter how small, fast, stealthy, or covered, is a total Godmod. The reason no one uses radar with waves that tiny for general use is that it would magnify every "hit" so that real targets would be annihilated by background noise. Imagine trying to find something when your radar waves are bouncing off of metallic dust particles in the atmosphere! In fact, the ocean is brimming with all sorts of metal and salts that would bounce back your "uberdar" and give you the must confusing damn picture you could imagine.

LASAR is just a fantasy, as well, because so far getting a laser to go far enough and back without losing too much energy, but also having not so much energy as to induce heat in the target instead of bouncing back, is impossible for at least the fair future.

Except, oh wait, radar doesn't use sound waves, it uses electromagnetic radio and microwaves, which move at immediately under the speed of light. So you are actually correct in that radar can indeed be used against objects which move slower than light, no matter which direction they are facing. Sorry, Nianacio.No offense, but I'd trust the Institute of Electrical and Electronics Engineers over someone I met on NationStates.

The Day Shall Come....... 8)

SO, it is Monday once again, and its time to start another roleplay session(assuming DT isnt gone).

I must warn you one thing about attacking my forces: NEVER and I repeat NEVER attack at night. Do to UN regulations (I still have this resolution even though I have left the UN) all my land vehicles had to be hydrogen powered. Since hydrogen alone isnt as good as gas (so i've heard) my engines are hybrid electric-hydrogen engines. I get the same stuff with no/low heat (no heat when running on electric battery)

Also, I must add you cannot adapt to Shoot and Scoot unless your artilery is able to move and shoot at the same time. I assume it is, but just in case...

Im not sure at all on this, but I doubt that your UAVs can be detected by my radar. I will check, but I doubt it.

and as for the 999,999,999,999 tanks and 111,111,111,111 MRLSs, hmm...thats 1,333,333,333,332 rockets fired back at you :shock:

And Quillan...other than moral support, what exactly are you doing for this war effort? Same as Puleo...nothing thus far.

My fleet is..lets see now...*scratches head*....2 or so miles off coast. Or however close they can be without being running aground

Army is well...defending. Post casualties. Mine number at 10,000 men, 200 tanks. BRB, shower

(assuming DT isnt gone).He left for a week at Cancun yesterday.

OOC:
Lovely, huge arguements over radars which give a rather low percentage of the SSM's. If it makes you happy, consider a few more destroyers+frigates sunk, maybe another heavy cruiser. The types of radars used on the Yak-44BM are millimetar band radar (not a very long range device), laser radar (defeated by ultradark paint), and look down radar. Most kills are done at under 35km range, and then by Kashtan-M. Against stealthy supersonic cruise missiles, relatively few would happend at longer ranges (still some, just not as much as should be hoped).

The UAV's are the size of a crow with its wings outstretched, not predator size UAV's, and I like night fighting.

Fire while moving? Move a few seconds after firing, before counterbattery fire hits.

IC post slightly later about the naval war.

OOC:
I can, if necessary, dig up info on such UAV's, but theyre quite short range surveillance UAV's.

Also, Nianancio, how much missiles did your fighters launch? Your fighters would probably only be able to carry 1 missile each, and factoring in kills from the AAM exchanges (tens of planes on both sides, probably), there probably wouldnt be very much.
IC:
12 More Oscar 3 SSN's are being sent to join the Bisonic Reserve Fleet, which is preparing for an attack on the 5 Nianancian CVBG's, but still is out of range of the fighters. In addition, 15 Charlie II class submarines (modernized) are being sent, as well as 12 Akula class submarines, 4 Sierra class submarines, and 7 Alfa class submarines. Old, but upgraded with newer stuff.

holy sh*t, this is still going on?

guess it is for a long night reading....

OOC:
Also, Nianancio, how much missiles did your fighters launch?I don't remember. That was at least four days go...
Your fighters would probably only be able to carry 1 missile eachThey're flying wings, providing more missile mounting space inside and out.
factoring in kills from the AAM exchanges (tens of planes on both sides, probably), there probably wouldnt be very much.My ASM range > Your AAM range
12 More Oscar 3 SSN's are being sent to join the Bisonic Reserve Fleet, which is preparing for an attack on the 5 Nianancian CVBG's, but still is out of range of the fighters. In addition, 15 Charlie II class submarines (modernized) are being sent, as well as 12 Akula class submarines, 4 Sierra class submarines, and 7 Alfa class submarines. Old, but upgraded with newer stuff.Hooray for suicide attacks...
holy sh*t, this is still going on?Not still -- again. I think I had forgotten about it...

OOC:
Once the airwings shoot down your fighters, problems solved.

My AAM range= around 250km, and with my planes charging yours, the 50km difference would dissapear. The AAM's can always be used against the cruise missiles, anyways *yes, that was another thing they were designed for*

OOC:
OOC:
Once the airwings shoot down your fighters, problems solved.Shooting down fighters makes submarines inferior to the enemy's?
My AAM range= around 250km, and with my planes charging yours, the 50km difference would dissapear.Yep.
The AAM's can always be used against the cruise missiles, anyways *yes, that was another thing they were designed for*I know.

ooc: removing your fighters would allow him to launch planes equivelent to P3 Orions.

ic: Artitsa is ordering all forign hostile ships to leave the waters immediatly.

ic: Artitsa is ordering all forign hostile ships to leave the waters immediatly.My ships are out of his waters, and always have been...

OOC:
But they did launch 4800 cruise missiles at me and basically screwed over my rail network in the area...

Your 5 CVBG's can start dying soon.

ic: Artitsa is ordering all forign hostile ships to leave the waters immediatly.My ships are out of his waters, and always have been...

Doesn't enclude you. Theres also FluffyWuffy and such. You basically have to pass through my or Ardor's waters to get to DT here.

After noticing that the Nianancian fighters fled last time, the Bisonic Air Force command has ordered attacks to begin on the 5 Nianancian CVBG's. 60 MiG-37M interceptors, as well as 72 MiG-35P's and 96 Su-37MK's have been launched from airfields to engage the airborne Nianancian fighters. The only difference is that 36 of the Su-37MK's have been equipped with 1 Yakhont-4 each.

The Bisonic Reserve Fleet is cautiously sailing to 350km away from the fighters, as the 3 Ulyanovsk carriers have each launched 48 Su-37MKK's with the 250km ranged AA-13M AAM's at the Nianancian fighters as well.

Finally, the last Minsk class carrier-cruiser, as well as 8 Kanin class destroyers are sailing at fank speed to meet up with the rest of the reserve fleet, while a total of 370 modernized Osa missile boats provide the quantity.

We condemn this violation of Dark Terror soverignty.

"Sir, the owner of the nation doesn't feel like RPing now..."
"Then these this conversation isn't happening."
"Right..."

One hundred-eighty flechette rounds will be fired at the incoming missiles.
And this time, my CIWS are going to be shooting like crazy at anything coming close (yea, it's not possible to get a lock, but I'll just have them fire like crazy in front of anything that appears on the radar).
The Bisonic Reserve Fleet is cautiously sailing to 350km away from the fighters, as the 3 Ulyanovsk carriers have each launched 48 Su-37MKK's with the 250km ranged AA-13M AAM's at the Nianancian fighters as well.They'll never get that close. My fleet is staying 800 kilometers out from your ships or coast, whichever's closer.

OOC:
Fleschette rounds at AAM's hundreds of km away? Great tactic.
Losses: 0.

I havent launched any ASM's, yet.

No, they're for the Yakhonts...

No, they're for the Yakhonts...
OOC:
THose 36 planes with one yakhont each? I dont remember launching them...

OOC:
THose 36 planes with one yakhont each? I dont remember launching them...I edited my post because it was very poorly written. In fact, it still is, but at least it means what it's supposed to...

OOC:
No yakhonts launched, yet. Im just charging your fighters.
IC:
A good distance behind the fighters, the 72 Mo-1's are again launched, again each is carrying 4 Yakhont-4 ASM's.

The following submarines are heading to within 500km of the Nianancian carrier's (Free "Swim with the fishies" experience for the crew coming right up!). Following 160km behind them, to shoot down any Seahawks or other ASW units, are 3 Yak-44BM AWACS, 12 new JF-20's, 84 SU-37MK's, and 60 MiG-35M's (OOC: If theyll run into fighters, please post so because my AWACS would detect them at range) :
• 6 Yankee Notch class SSN's, modernized, each armed with 25 Yakhont-4's.

The rest of the reserve fleet is turning around, to remain 450km away from the fighters.

2 Carrier Battlegroups left port to intercept any Nianacio/FluffyWuffy reinforcements.
ooc:
Each Carrier Group Consisted of:
1 Pantera Class Carrier
2 Ulyanovsk Carriers
4 'New' Battleships
4 Oladsky Class Cruisers
4 Mikhail Class Cruisers
6 EM-120 Barracuda Corvettes/light Frigates
8 Korsar class Frigates
12 Lutjens Destroyers
26 EM-100 Piranha fast Attack Missile boats

Pantera Carriers:
•20 Za-34 MultiRole Fighters
•40 JF-20 MultiRole Figthters
•40 EA-220 Naval Bombers
•12 RF-102 Intercepters
•8 AWACs
•5 Za-41s on Alert Five.

Ulyanovsk Carriers:
•24 Za-41s
•24 Za-34s
•20 EA-220s
•10 RF-102s
•2 AWACs

The following submarines are heading to within 500km of the Nianancian carrier'sOh, no they aren't. My ships are still staying 800km out.
(OOC: If theyll run into fighters, please post so because my AWACS would detect them at range)I really have no clue about carrier air patrols. :(
2 Carrier Battlegroups left port to intercept any Nianacio/FluffyWuffy reinforcements. Okay. The reinforcements will be extra alert.

Go for it. I'll make sure my fleet disappears. I also forgot to mention the K-Series Subs that will be moving with them. And it will remain that way. Bwahahaha *cough hack cough*

OOC:
OK, theyre staying 800km out, Im moving submarines into missile range, or aobut 300km out! With some fighters to make sure no Seahawks can go anywheere near them!

I'll make sure my fleet disappears.Underwater? Want help?
OOC:
I also forgot to mention the K-Series Subs that will be moving with them.K-Series? *Looks it up*
*Compares stats to my subs*
So it has VLS tubes and can go faster submerged. It'll be easier to detect and my subs'll be able to close in for the kills (actually, they won't have to close in very far, because my torpedoes have a relatively long range).

Anyone who was paying attention a while ago could have found out how to do fairly well against my subs.
OOC:
OK, theyre staying 800km out, Im moving submarines into missile range, or aobut 300km out!If I'm keeping my ships 800km out, there's no way you can get your subs 300km in...:?

;) Nianacio, you must read between the lines! just because they have a high rate of speed does not mean I would go that fast. They have a creep/silent speed of 12 knots, which is faster than any other sub at silent speed. Also, yes the VLS tubes may make some noise/disturb the water, but *dun dun dun* thats where the tower comes in. Its specifically designed to spread the water efficiantly and quietly around the sub. If you looked really hard, you could find em prolly. I also use the Spearfish Torpedo, 65knt Torpedo with massive range. Theres a reason why I only use one class of sub.

OOC:
*clears throat loudly*

Your fleet: 850 km out
My reserve fleet: 250km out
These 6 subs: Moving to just over 300km out

Theyre escorted by fighters so any helos you send get shot apart.
IC:
24 Helix helos wll be conducting ASW missions around the submarines, which are heading to within 500km of the Nianancian fleet.

OOC: DT, my ships are staying 800km out from ALL enemy vessels, submerged or surfaced.
just because they have a high rate of speed does not mean I would go that fast.I didn't think you would, but you said nothing of stealth.
Also, yes the VLS tubes may make some noise/disturb the water, but *dun dun dun* thats where the tower comes in.I didn't mean they'd make the sub easier to detect.
Its specifically designed to spread the water efficiantly and quietly around the sub.How?
If you looked really hard, you could find em prolly.I did.
massive rangeFive nautical miles shorter than the range of my torpedoes at low speed. Our torpedoes are equals when it comes to range at high speed (although my high speed can get up to 5 knots faster).

Generally faster means it would run out of fuel or whatever it uses quicker. Whatever, we'll see when it happens. The number of subs will remain unknown until I get pinged. Depending on what pings me, you may have some losses to post. (ie ASW ships or planes)

OOC:
Ah OK, your fleet is 800km away from my reserve fleet.
The 6 subs are moving within 500km of your fleet, have fun detecting them since any helos or Orions in the area will easily be shot down.

O O
C?

This thread not dead yet? Ugh, Kimosabee!
Me am smart, recognize stupid people get into argument over technowizzer abilitiys.

Submarinos reflecticus soundicus, no? Reflecticus of soundicus locatifus the submarino.

Lookdown/shootdownicus radaricus not function properly against low-observables at extremely low altitudicus due to ground absorbancicus and clutterificus maximus.

Bisonicus havicus crappicus missileicus that are godmodicus. Becausicus you canoticus makicus a misilicus that icus invisiblicus to IR yeticus goeth Mach 205020123. Because heicus sux0ricus.

OOC:
U hav 2 get sonr thre no? Tht is hrd prt wth al teh ASW helos adn figerts!

And sinca Nianancio also has mach 2 stealth missiles, consider it a godmod fest, and kindly get the hell out (in case you dont, I can tell you from experience that not leaving a thread when bluntly told to will get you a nice warning from the mods).

Perhaps they can only be IR stealthy in low-speed cruise mode, hmm?

Perhaps they can only be IR stealthy in low-speed cruise mode, hmm?
The Kashtan-M would swat them like flies.

The Kashtan-M would swat them like flies.Nope. My missiles can sink closer to the ocean than the Kashtan can handle.

Nope, its practically exactly on the side of the ship, and it can point downward rather well.

With 12,000 rpm fire, you dont need an exact radar lock so dont even start going there.

The two Artitsan fleets are now turning west towards the Nianacio fleets already being engaged by Dark Terror. Once they are within 500 km (300 miles) they will fire two salvos of Yakhont-4 missles, remaining outside 400km of the enemy fleet. Once the two salvo's are launched, the fleet will move north 1000km

OOC:
Wait a bit , would you artitsa?!!

Nianancio, do you acknowledge that 6 YANKEE NOTCH SSN's arw within 500km of your fleet?

OOC:
Nope, its practically exactly on the side of the ship, and it can point downward rather well. So basically, you're claiming to have a real-life system with different specs than it does in real-life. The real-life Kashtan can only shoot missiles at 5m, while my missiles can dive about two meters lower.
With 12,000 rpm fire, you dont need an exact radar lock so dont even start going there.When your ammunition is over 0.3 Mach slower than the missile you're shooting at, yes, I think you do.
The two Artitsan fleets are now turning west towards the Nianacio fleets already being engaged by Dark Terror. Once they are within 500 km (300 miles) they will fire two salvos of Yakhont-4 missles, remaining outside 400km of the enemy fleet. Once the two salvo's are launched, the fleet will move north 1000kmMy fleets are still staying 800km out from all enemy vessels.
So my 20 carrier groups have nothing in there way?
Nianancio, do you acknowledge that 6 YANKEE NOTCH SSN's arw within 500km of your fleet?*Shrugs* Sure. RL research in sub-detecting satellites is getting nowhere (I think...), so I'm sure not going to claim any.

My fleets are still staying 800km out from all enemy vessels.
So my 20 carrier groups have nothing in there way?

1. My fleet is making a sudden move towards yours at full pase, if you move to stay out of 800km of my fleet, you WILL run into DT's. You've been pincered, haven't you noticed that. You can go south into my sub net, might be fun, but my Sea wall is also down there.
2. As far as you know theres nothing in their way ;)

OOC:
Youre so skeptical on everything except stealth technology- I claim sub detecting sats (thought to avoid too much arguement I wont use them in this RP), though they detect the existence, not the location. Then I just swarm the area with Ka-27's. Ah well, have it your way!
IC:
A scene repeated on all 6 subs:
"Orders to engage the Nianacian Carriers recieved, captain."
"Very well. Target the carriers and prepare the missiles."
*several minutes later*
"Missiles ready for firing, firing window open, captain."
"Very well. Commence the firing sequence!"
*A total of 150 Yakhont-4's, aimed at exclusively at the 5 Nianancian carriers, go up through the waves in a stream of bubbles, fall for a few milliseconds before their engines ignite, and climb for a few seconds before levelling out, then descending to their sea-skimming altititudes, accelerating to mach 2, then to mach 2.5 as they near the targets*

"Sir! Enemy missiles coming our way!"
"Have each ship fire a flechette burst! CIWS fire around anything resembling a target! Move the fleet back 125km! Where's the other fleet?!"
"Sir, it's finally arrived."
"'Bout time. Have them fire as much as they need to, too."
"Sir, there are hostile craft approaching from behind."
"Well, then fire, ASMs, too!"
"Yes, sir."
There are 5,760 ASMs in the new fleet.
*A total of 150 Yakhont-4's, aimed at exclusively at the 5 Nianancian carriers, go up through the waves in a stream of bubbles, for for a few milliseconds before their engines ignite, and climb for a few seconds before levelling out, then descending to their sea-skimming altititudes, accelerating to mach 2, then to mach 2.5 as they near the targets*No missile can go 500km in sea-skimming mode. Not even in mixed altitude mode.
OOC: You've been pincered, haven't you noticed that.DT's fleet is between the land and mine (which is in open ocean). How are you pincering me?

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2003-10/447411/GoodMap.jpg

On the map point where you are.

OOC:
Not only can it go 500km, the SS-N-19 can go 625 km at mach 1.7 (Its a sea skimmer or at the least quite low level flyer)!
AS-4 can go 500km at MACH 3

OK? its possible!

OOC: My fleet is near wherever Fluffywuffy's fleet is.

DT:
NPO Mashinostroyenia has designed a number of high-altitude
cruise missile systems--including the Granit (SS-N-19 Shipwreck)
Once a target has been acquired, either through the use of onboard sonar or cues from external platforms, the SS-N-19 is launched from its tube with compressed air and solid rocket booster propels the missile to its cruising altitude of nearly 20,000 meters.
Boosters take the missile in a ballistic trajectory which continues when the jet engine begins to operate, until it achieves an altitude of 20,000 m (65,000 ft) when it enters the cruise phase. The active radar seeker then acquires the target and the missile commences a high-angle dive attack.
The AS-4 flies at 24,000 meters.

OOC:
http://www.fas.org/nuke/guide/russia/bomber/as-4.htm
Maximum range 460-500 km
Max. speed 4000 km/h

OK? THeyre possible, only big.

OOC:
http://www.fas.org/nuke/guide/russia/bomber/as-4.htm
Maximum range 460-500 km
Max. speed 4000 km/h

OK? THeyre possible, only big.That site only reinforces my claim that you can't have a 500km sea-skimming missile...

OOC:
Also, you said 500km range missiles that went mach 2 or more were impossible, sea skimmers or not. Ive already disproven that, now instead of arguing over decades old missiles (BTW I think youre confusing SS-N-19 with SS-N-12!), how about a little bit of logic:
Technology progresses.
In 2000, the Yakhont mach 2 300km range sea skimmer out.
By 2015, the Yakhont-4 should be possible.

My fleet is 650 miles from yours Nianacio. Ships are on full steam.

My fleet is 650 miles from yours Nianacio. Ships are on full steam.

OOC:
http://www.fas.org/nuke/guide/russia/bomber/as-4.htm
Maximum range 460-500 km
Max. speed 4000 km/h

OK? THeyre possible, only big.That site only reinforces my claim that you can't have a 500km sea-skimming missile...
OOC:
SS-N-19 is a sea skimmer at mach 1.5, yet in DT's 2015 world its a decades old missile.
Speed: high altitude cruise: Mach 2.5, low altitude: Mach 1.5, Terminal flight: Mach 2.0
http://home19.inet.tele.dk/airwing/ships/ssm.htm

At the very bottom is where the SS-N-19 specs are.

And youd think that 30 years after a mach 1.5 sea skimmer with a range of over 500km was built, you could build a mach 2 sea skimmer with 500km range.

OOC:
Also, you said 500km range missiles that went mach 2 or more were impossible, sea skimmers or not.Um...no. I never said that.
No missile can go 500km in sea-skimming mode. Not even in mixed altitude mode.See?
Ive already disproven thatSee above.
now instead of arguing over decades old missilesYou're the one who brought them up!
(BTW I think youre confusing SS-N-19 with SS-N-12!)My quotes all say SS-N-19. Want to know where they're from? Two are from Aeronautics.ru, and the other is from some RPing site, I think.
how about a little bit of logic:
Technology progresses.So do I get to use a Death Star? No.
In 2000, the Yakhont mach 2 300km range sea skimmer out.No! It only has a 300km range in mixed altitude mode! In sea-skimming mode, it can only go 120km!
By 2015, the Yakhont-4 should be possible.I don't think so.
OOC:
SS-N-19 is a sea skimmer at mach 1.5Errr...no. It flies at 20,000m!
Speed: high altitude cruise: Mach 2.5, low altitude: Mach 1.5, Terminal flight: Mach 2.0
http://home19.inet.tele.dk/airwing/ships/ssm.htmI don't care about speed! What I'm trying to tell you is that you can't have a 500km ranged sea-skimmer!
My fleet is 650 miles from yours Nianacio. Ships are on full steam.Yay.

I have to go for a while. Hopefully the forums will be working when I get back (better than a few fully loaded pages every half hour).

OOC:
Can you read? Low altitude: Mach 1.5 .
Find the range, its next to it.

Really, this is a moot point since the AS-19 Koala goes 4000km at mach 5

OOC:
Can you read?Sure, let's insult each other's intelligence!
Low altitude: Mach 1.5 .
Find the range, its next to it.No, it's not "next to" it. It's a few lines below it, and it doesn't say that it's the low altitude range.
Really, this is a moot point since the AS-19 Koala goes 4000km at mach 5That's not a sea-skimmer, is it?
And youd think that 30 years after a mach 1.5 sea skimmer with a range of over 500km was built, you could build a mach 2 sea skimmer with 500km range.Yes, but there isn't any Mach 1.5 sea skimmer with a range of over 500km!

Would you two stop, your making Artitsa cry!!

Would you two stop, your making Artitsa cry!!I *Deep breath* will *deep breath* stop *deep breath* if *deep breath* DT *deep breath* stops *deep breath* making up *deep breath* "facts"!

OOC:
See above :roll:

OKOK, not sea skimmer, Low Altitude!

DT.... *shakes fist*
C'mon now. Lets atleast finish this RP. I've been with it for 32 pages now. I will not let my time goto waist!!!

OOC:
See above :roll:What's that a reply to?
OKOK, not sea skimmer, Low Altitude!So this extra-long range missile flies lower than missiles with an eigth the range? Hmmm...

Artitsa: I have five carrier groups between your and DT's fleets, and 20 more coming up behind yours. Those 20 will fire missiles when they get within 300km.

OOC:
Considering how little time has passed ICly, those 20 are probably halfway between Nianancio and DT.

By the time they get here, these 5 will be toast.

OK, consider the Yakhont-4 to be LOW ALTITUDE for most of its range, and then go to sea skimmer :roll:

Thats ok. The 20 will have to move through International waters around nations in my region. Should prolong their arrival. It'll only be a few hours this fight anyway.

As the two Artitsan Fleets close to 400 km, the first wave of Yakhont-4's (200) are launched. The Second salvo are now being prepared. Once the Salvo's are fired, the fleets will split and goto the Galapagian Islands, or the Kien river.

OOC:
Considering how little time has passed ICly, those 20 are probably halfway between Nianancio and DT.OOC: I posted them coming eleven days ago.
OK, consider the Yakhont-4 to be LOW ALTITUDE for most of its range, and then go to sea skimmer :roll:The RL Yakhont cruises at an altitude of 15km.

OOC:
Considering how little time has passed ICly, those 20 are probably halfway between Nianancio and DT.OOC: I posted them coming eleven days ago.
OK, consider the Yakhont-4 to be LOW ALTITUDE for most of its range, and then go to sea skimmer :roll:The RL Yakhont cruises at an altitude of 15km.

((The RP was suspended for a week))

((The RP was suspended for a week))OOC: DT only left for five days, I think. 11-5=6
11-7 still equals 4, and DT previously said 3 days was longer than necessary

((post losses, I gtg for the night))

OOC:
Considering how little time has passed ICly, those 20 are probably halfway between Nianancio and DT.OOC: I posted them coming eleven days ago.
OK, consider the Yakhont-4 to be LOW ALTITUDE for most of its range, and then go to sea skimmer :roll:The RL Yakhont cruises at an altitude of 15km.OOC:
Did I ask about the RL Yakhont?

OOC:
I only left for five days, but its really 6 due to not being able to post much right away on coming back, and you didnt respond here for a while after I returned. Great way to RP: Ignore attacks on your forces while moving in reinforcements!

OOC:
Did I ask about the RL Yakhont?Did you ask about anything?
OOC:
I only left for five days, but its really 6, and you didnt respond here for a while after I returned. Great way to RP: Ignore attacks on your forces while moving in reinforcements!I didn't ignore any attacks and my post was the third after your returning post.

Casualties are being processed...

OOC:
You didnt ignore anything, you just didnt respond at all to my movements yet used that time to move your 20 SVBG's.

OK, consider them low RCS MACH 1.5 low altitude missiles that accelerate to mach 2 at the end, if it really makes such a big difference!!

OOC:
You didnt ignore anything, you just didnt respond at all to my movements yet used that time to move your 20 SVBG's.Yes, I did. You made two posts, Phyrric made one post, and then I responded to your two. All of that happened in less than 14 hours.
OK, consider them low RCS MACH 1.5 low altitude missiles that accelerate to mach 2 at the end, if it really makes such a big difference!!*Shrugs* I don't care about the speed.

Five carriers sunk from DT's attack.
Thirty-six destroyers sunk from Artitsa's attack
One destroyer heavily damaged from Artitsa's attack (a few more missile hits and it's dead)

Don't complain, I did research and math instead of pulling the numbers out of my head.

CASUALTIES BEFORE I MUST LEAVE

OOC:
Oh thats great (not caring about speed), because then I'll point outTomahawk has a low altitude flight profile and a range of 1104km in the land attack version!

CASUALTIES BEFORE I MUST LEAVEOOC: Just posted them. Took a long time coming up with equations and historical precedents. Casualty numbers might increase once I look into warhead weights...Eh, warhead weight of the Yakhont is less than half of that of the Styx, but I don't think you'd be pleased if I lowered the casualty numbers...

The fleets fired one more salvo, then booked it. However, one of the fleets is moving into your missle range.

OOC:
This is basically the reason why I respect Nianancio, no matter what the last pge indicates.
IC:
Unfortunately, one of the Yankee Notch class subs appears to have suffered an explosion for as of yet unknown reasons and has gone down, although the Bisonic High Command maintains hope that crewmen are still alive, and has ordered an Spasatyal class (OOC: forgot the abbreviation) sub-rescue ship (OOC:you know what I mean..) to sail to the area in an attempt to begin rescuing possibly alive crewmen. Both the Reserve and Active fleets are also heading to the area at flank speed to prevent enemy engagement of the vessel- though we doubt FLuffywuffy would attack it, we do not want any "departing presents" from Nianacio.

"Sir, dozens of ships are down!!!"
"Are the enemy ships within 300km?!"
"Not yet, sir..."
"Prepare all ASMs for firing! I want every enemy ship sunk, and I don't care how many missiles we have to fire to do it!"
"Yes, sir."
"So much for "The Plan"..."
"That reminds me...the engineers are getting restless."
"Well, I don't think we'll get to build the island unless we arrange for a peace treaty."
"Sir, shall I contact the president?"
"Yes, do so. DT will have to wait to die...It's Belem's turn!"
"W00tw00t, I hate Belem, too."
The higher ranking officer stares at the lower ranking officer.
"I'll get started immediately, sir."
"Good."
The fleet has at least 5,424 ASMs.
The fleets fired one more salvo, then booked it. However, one of the fleets is moving into your missle range.Actually, they already were in my missile range. ^_^ I just didn't want to use my missiles in a diving top-attack that probably wouldn't be very successful.
OOC: Those casualties were for both salvos.

ooc: Ok, you sure you don't wanna fire alot of missles now?

Message to Nianancian Govt:
If we just had the sub rescue ship go there, would you feel less aggressive?

ooc: Ok, you sure you don't wanna fire alot of missles now?OOC: The missiles will be fired as soon as your fleet gets within range, and the let-me-go-kill-Belem-please...errr...peace request will comes at least hours later IC.
OOC:
Oh thats great (not caring about speed), because then I'll point outTomahawk has a low altitude flight profile and a range of 1104km in the land attack version!*Bites tongue...er...fingers?*
OOC:
This is basically the reason why I respect Nianancio, no matter what the last pge indicates.What's the reason?
Message to Nianancian Govt:
If we just had the sub rescue ship go there, would you feel less aggressive?BIC: Yes, we would.

((K, we'll do this tomarrow. Time for sleep. Good night!))

OOC: Okay.
Good night, Artitsa.

OOC:
Because of your casualty reports.
IC:
In that case, only the sub rescue ship whajamacallit is proceeding, the other ships are turning back. You can board and search it at your leisure.

In case you engage it: Well send another one, and our fleet has over 6,000 ASM's.

12 Oscar III subs are making their way towards the 20 Nianacio fleets, in hope to delay their arrival.

12 Oscar III subs are making their way towards the 20 Nianacio fleets, in hope to delay their arrival.OOC: They've already arrived and been injured.

I read that my ships should've been able to take at least four more missiles before sinking...I'll keep that in mind for the next time I have to post casualties...

DARKTERROR POST LAND CASUALTIES,NOW!! NO, DONT TRY SOME "I will post after tha wars over" SHIT ON ME! IT IS NECCASARY FOR THEM OR THIS RP IS FUCKED

Now, I must say that the Tomahawk land attack version only has a range of 300 or so miles. The 1000 mile (about 1,600 kilometers) range Tomahawk is the one designed for nuclear warheads.

Now this next attack may seem as somewhat of a shock *gasp* but the bomber I speack of WAS designed (not sure if built) and IS, as some may claim the opposite of, feasable (its maker wouldnt have tried to sell it if it didnt work).

100 of the 50 cruise-missle carrying B-747 (bomber varient of course) have been launched; 10 of each of the planes' missle racks (or whatever they were called) are loaded with AIM-115 AAAM air-to-air missles. Range of 270 kms, speed of Mach 4 (if it was finished; I finished it). Its other slots (40) are loaded with AGM-64-ER Harpoon missles (guess what its target is?)

The bombers are flying towards the Niancio fleet, flying over, and then hitting any air target that is within range (of course, those arent Niancios...just enemy fighters/bombers) and then striking against the Dark Terror fleet.

My B-747s also have the latest long range radars and radar jammers. Lets not forget chaff.

Now, thats:
4,000 anti-ship missles
1,000 air-to-air missles

I am pretty sure the 747 can handle all that weight (other wise a bomber varient wouldnt have been designed). I might add that while the original 747 bomber was based off an earlier 747, mine is based off the latest 747 (747-X?) to ensure I can carry these missles

Yes, my tactics call for massive missle attacks.

Now you might say "those must be expensive", the RL b-747 bomber would have been only (i think) $20,000,000. Im guessing that that would be off, so mine is $25,000,000.

ooc: Fluffy, don't expect to have another attack like that in a few hours. I have a nice little surprise.
ic: The 12 Oscar III's change course and head towards Fluffywuffys fleet.

OOC:
Land war casualties coming, OK? Next post will have them!

Harpoons have a range of 120km :lol: . And yes, according to my book Modern American Weapons, by David Miller, Tomahawk has a range of 1104km and a low altitude flight profile.

IC:
The Su-37MK's on CAP patrols (72 planes, 6 from each carrier) each launch 2 AA-13M 140 mile range missiles at the incoming B-747's (can you say "Massive target?"), and as their training calls for, they let the missiles head into the B-747's while turning to flee themselves.

Im using SLAM-ER. I get a *massive* increase of range to 150 kms (woah...why even bother making these? Extended Range should mean like 400km. I guess that on my Great List of Things to Do)

And I just looked it up...your right. Tomahawk has a 1000 km range. Didnt check low flight or any of that....oh and BTW, there is a 1300 km Tomahawk set to be deployed in 2005-2010 that should be able to reach mach 4-6 (max of 8). Thats gonna be fun. Super-sonic cruise missles of my own....mmmm.

B-747s deploy both Radar Dummies (my own creations if not already in use. They generate a massive radar signature to lure anti-radiation missles away) Radar Jamming, chaff, and erratic maneuvars.

BTW, my AA missles out-range yours by about 27 miles.

that 8) should be a 8 )...its a max of 8 (darn smily code..)

as their training calls for, they let the missiles head into the B-747's while turning to flee themselves.So they become big IR targets...How far from my aircraft might they be when they turn around?

OOC:
*Looks into the new "Tomahawk"*
*Decides Nianacio's navy needs a new missile*

One last thing: the AIM-155 (what I used..I realise I put 115) has a speed of mach 4

I call it a Tomahawk because its got a hawk in its name, but heres a link for the HyStrike / Fast Hawk:
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/munitions/hystrike.htm

Your new worst nightmare. (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=94873&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=80) (at the bottom)

I call it a Tomahawk because its got a hawk in its name, but heres a link for the HyStrike / Fast Hawk:
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/munitions/hystrike.htm

*ahem* I believe I'll be making a new cruise missle thank you.

Fluffywuffy: You shouldn't post links to high-tech missiles where you enemies can see them! :o *Sees Artitsa's post* That's why!
Artitsa: I think I've come up with a way to take it out of action.

take which out? Might as well tell me now. Theres not alot of ways which you can do it. Its designed for theatre defence, and don't think about attacking with subs. It's ASROC missles work wonders on those. There will be 2-4 per fleet of mine. They will be of course supported by heavy Anti-Shiping warships.

OOC:
Of course your AAM goes mach 4! My fighters flee at mach 2.2 though, and they can escape its max range, since these missiles were traded at max ranges. The problem with the AIM-155 is its not agile enough to intercept a fighter; its meant for taking down big, hulking, Soviet bombers (cold war missile).

Maybe next time youll have Fast Hawks. For now, youre losing all those ships! Anyway, the problem with scramjet missiles is that they have to be moving very fast already to be fired. I have some as air launched missiles, but I didnt use them to avoid another 2 pages of arguing with Nianancio. I can use them against you, if you want!

That reminds me to do casualty reports:
- Rail network in the area basically screwed over by nianancio but being repaired
- 152 SAM sites knocked out
- 723 howitzers killied before we learned that you use radar guided fire the hard way, also we lost 532 BM-21 Grad systems and 73 Smerch-M's, although at that point in the war the rail network was operaitonal so we replaced most of the losses. Also, 204 self-propelled guns.
- 423 GT-1 tanks knocked out
- 231 GT-2 tanks knocked out
- 379 BMP-3M2 IFV's knocked out
- 846 VO-100 APC's knocked out
- 1,673 BTR-94 APC's knocked out
- 522 MTLBU APC's knocked out
- 14,783 casualties
Some thought went into the casualties, comparing them to Kursk, etc.

Thats the end of future light APC's in the Bisonic Army...

*makes note of that*

You cant even use them during this war (it'll take you years to make them-this war hasnt lasted that long and probably wont). I already use those things (in small amounts....like 2,000 compared to the thousands of other missles I use).

Now that my first (yes, first) bombing run should be returning home (minus the 60 that get shot down),it is time for wave 2.

Yes (you guessed it) these ones will be using the Fast Hawk.

Another 100 of the B-747 using the same loadout only this time they've got 20 FHs, 10 AIM-155s, and 20 SLAM-ERs.

If your fleet isnt in ruins, it is now.
*1,440 Hyper Sonic cruise missles*

OOC:
Its generally good to psot losses from the AAM attacks, so then my navy can fire both 400km and 175km ranged SAM's at you. The 400km ranged SAM's are naval SA-20 Triumf's used only on battlecruisers and battleships, the 175km range missile is the SLAAM-5, used on almost everything.

Once the rest of your bombers got shot down (dont mean to post damage reports, but those are some hugeass radar sigs...), the AWACS' 600km range radar would find some more unwelcome visitors, and wed repeat this pattern again.

WAIT ONE MINUTE FLUFFY! Where are these planes taking off from? I would imagine both him AND I would be within adequate awarness to launch Interceptor flights. Also, depending on which direction your coming from you will A) Pass over Artitsan Airspace B) Pass over Artitsan Islands and have SAMs target you very quickly, C) pass over Neutral GDU territory, without permission, and finally D) well there is no d.

OOC:
Im more concerned with why he thinks DARK TERROR doesnt have SAM's which outrange Harpoon even if AMERICA does (SM-2ER)!!

They are taking off from my land (range of 5,500 miles plus refueling from the air= I can hit you)

As I probably said hundreds of times, I am not entering anyone's land but DTs. Even in this attack I do not need to. I head to sea, refuel from my large tankers, fly over Niancios fleet (which is near mine, which is near my landing zone, which on the map appeared to be near a large mouth of a river. I fly over that large mouth)

And you must get past my chaff, my radar jamming, and launched decoys for a hit.

And DT, you probably cant use USA AND Russian missiles from the same launchers....or ship for that matter (theres a compatibility issue)

And I DO believe I DID post losses (60 planes which I feel is high). That will be lower now, as you cannot get hit by the 50 or so that made it to hit and not feel a huge amount of pain.

look at the map again.
I have Islands. There are radar installations and airbases on these islands. Along with ports. You would have been intercepted very early on.

I will look at the map I was shown and post it in one minute

we shall send 40,000 spetsnaz GRU units to aid dark terror.

we can send more at DTs request.



General Secretary of the Forcian union and the FCP Vladimir Andropov.
http://bobqat.com/AeroBob/Airliners/An-225.JPG

To: Artitsa **top secret..coded**

Is Dark Terror actually being invaded. If so I am prepared to send aid to both you and the Bisonic troops.

If your answer is yes automatically assume the following...

Aid to Artitsa:

5,000 non nuclear ICBM's
5,000 Leclerc Tanks
100,000 tons of food
5 million gallons of petrol

Aid to Dark Terror:

400,000 tons of food
10 million gallons of petrol
10 million M16's
20,000 Leclerc Tanks

Artitsa's aid and half of DT's aid can be sent by three months. The rest will be sent in 6.

By the way, what ever happened to fleet I had outside your waters?

[signed]Finegold III

OOC:
My coasts are both tiny. Fly over me, and youll be shot apart.


Radar jemmers? Hmm.


OK. Losses from harpoon attack (BTW by the time the second wave comes well be a bit more prepared and itll probably be shredded) were reduced by 140mm jamming rockets and adanced SAM and CIWS systems, but just asking, enemy particularly group of ships this was targetted at, or just shot at everything? After you answer that, I will post losses.

60 Isnt high, because by the 175km range would shred them quite well, especially since they have an option to be guided by laser radar.

alrighty, go for it. You would still have been intercepted early on. From my forward airbases, CVBG's, and so on and so on.

We thank macabees for the help, the fleet was being held in reserve. Now, it will be used very soon!

To: Artitsa **top secret..coded**

Is Dark Terror actually being invaded. If so I am prepared to send aid to both you and the Bisonic troops.

If your answer is yes automatically assume the following...

Aid to Artitsa:

5,000 non nuclear ICBM's
5,000 Leclerc Tanks
100,000 tons of food
5 million gallons of petrol

Aid to Dark Terror:

400,000 tons of food
10 million gallons of petrol
10 million M16's
20,000 Leclerc Tanks

Artitsa's aid and half of DT's aid can be sent by three months. The rest will be sent in 6.

By the way, what ever happened to fleet I had outside your waters?

[signed]Finegold III

Dark terror has been invaded, with Fluffywuffy troops on Dark Terror soil.

5 Forcian aircraft carrier groups will be sent out to aid dark terror, each with 100 aircraft aboard.
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/ship/images/cvn-79.jpg

DT or Artitsa can you take control of my troops if I reinforce you with them? I don't have the time to RP all the time...I'm grounded.

If yes then the following will be sent to counter attack.

Heeresgruppe E - Field Marshall von Runstedt

1 million infantry
3,000 Pz. VIII's
1,500 Stug III Ausf. B SAM's
1,500 Pz. VII's
1,500 Pz. IV's
1,500 Jagdtigers (Anti-tank)
3,000 300mm Elefants (assault self propelled artillery)
1,500 155mm Crusaders (same as above)
30,000 300mm Howitzers (fixed artillery)
2,000 SS-101's
4,000 SS-102's
2,000 B-52's

They will hook up with your front as soon as you say yes...if no they will not assume a march.

[signed]Finegold III

JF-20's, we assume?


How about some Iskras and Vodopads, anyway? I need surface warships more than aircraft...

We will also reinforce our fleets with another 5 Rommel class Battleships, 10 Seydlitz class Cruisers and 10 Halder class Pocket Battleships. They will resume under your command although flying our colors.

We will also reinforce our fleets with another 5 Rommel class Battleships, 10 Seydlitz class Cruisers and 10 Halder class Pocket Battleships. They will resume under your command although flying our colors.

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2003-8/329267/warmap1.jpg
My planes would fly closer to Ardor (I think they have remained neutral)
Lots of islands I am seeing.....all 0 of them.

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2003-10/447411/GoodMap.jpg
Now I see a few islands...I just go to the south of them. And if I am detected, oh well. For all you know its a commercial jet (same signature)..but wait! There are many of them...thats odd. You might need to send a few guys to see what the hell is going on OR decide send a whole airforce and possible be shooting down civilian aircraft (you cant tell with the same signature)

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2003-8/329267/warmap1.jpg
My planes would fly closer to Ardor (I think they have remained neutral)
Lots of islands I am seeing.....all 0 of them.

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2003-10/447411/GoodMap.jpg
Now I see a few islands...I just go to the south of them. And if I am detected, oh well. For all you know its a commercial jet (same signature)..but wait! There are many of them...thats odd. You might need to send a few guys to see what the hell is going on OR decide send a whole airforce and possible be shooting down civilian aircraft (you cant tell with the same signature)

JF-20's, we assume?


How about some Iskras and Vodopads, anyway? I need surface warships more than aircraft...

yes, JF-20s za-41s and kl-55Ns, we shall send 10 iskra heavy missile cruisers and 5 vodopad Destroyers.

Ardor is not neutral, he is on my side, and he would blow them to hell. There arent islands there because that hardly shows any ocean, and it shows the tiny Bisonic coast, not the Artitsan coast.


Little mistake by your commanders, too bad it cost you all those B-747's!

Only problem:
He has a life and posts rather rarely.

OOC: I'll let you stick with that map...but for future reference I look nothing like that... lol

I g2g. See you crazy guys earlier tommorow (I can post from my school's computer lab. Sadly, more than one person is on the UN in that place....I hope they dont get deleted if they use the same computer..)

OOC:
BTW, iif we saw only 5 such B-747's together, wed still shoot them down.

Now I see a few islands...I just go to the south of them. And if I am detected, oh well. For all you know its a commercial jet (same signature)..but wait! There are many of them...thats odd. You might need to send a few guys to see what the hell is going on OR decide send a whole airforce and possible be shooting down civilian aircraft (you cant tell with the same signature)
You mistake me. Im talking about the second attack of yours ;) after the first planes engaged, well, obviously something will be done.

48 JF-20s, 62 Za-41s, and 108 SS-102's take off from airbases in the Artitsan islands, being guided by the AWACs already in the air, and the Radar installation on the ground.

Somewhere of the coast of Ardor

It had now taken this tiny minisub months to get from Free Bonstock to their targets (ooc: but nohting seems to have heppened except a heck of alot of arguing. Perhaps this will make the war a little saner). Now, finally, the humilitation suffered so long ago will be avenged. In a way no other nation would think possible, and which would only add to the vengence of the souls of 5 million Bonstocknians.

The small little boat, the Type 16 minisub, was the creme of Bonstocknian technology. Loaded with high tech gadgets, including a full command suite crammed into a tiny space, it could command a small special forces task force. And these were no ordinary special ops forces. They were pure experts in everything possible for stealth. There would be a team of four of them. One leader, one medic, one communications, one weapons man. The leader, Vladimir Ulyanov, was fluent in a dozen languages, and could be counted on to get the task force through any terrain. Having studied the cultures of the people around this area for years, he was considered one of Bonstock's top experts. The medical specialist, Steve Kamamev, was a doctor who knew how to treat virtually any ailment. With forest plants. He could concoct thousands of medicenes from herbs and shrubs on the ground. The the communications specialist, Max Bertson, was an expert at making radios from scratch. If given virtually any known communicator, he could operate it with ease in top secret frequencies that the enemy would not ever see. And then the weapons specialist, Rob Westmann, could assemble a mine out of a left over ammunition round. He could pick up any weapon, know its abilities and weaknesses, and employ it properly to kill the enemy. He especially knew every small arms that was used in this area. Together, they were a team that could be counted on to do their job with utmost diligence and detirmination. And they knew they would be here for a while.

The sub, with a crew of 3 in addition to up to 4 passengers, was designed to be stealth to sonar. Through advanced computer designing, Bonstocknian engineers had given it the approximate sonar cross section of a small fish. The only attention they might get would be from fishermen.

The boat could also go in deep into rivers, and could operate in really shallow waters, thanks to its small size. It was designed to insert special forces. It also had two torpedo tubes and a machine gun turrent for self defense. The men would dive in using scubas. They had false identifications and papers to get them through places. Their destination was somewhere in the mountains of Dark Terror. There, they would rendezvous with their new allies, who would join them in Bonstock's new vengence. Dark Terror could do nothing but watch.

take which out? Might as well tell me now. Theres not alot of ways which you can do it. Its designed for theatre defence, and don't think about attacking with subs. It's ASROC missles work wonders on those. There will be 2-4 per fleet of mine. They will be of course supported by heavy Anti-Shiping warships.Take out the whole ship.

Is it okay if I launch my ASMs now, or is everyone still out of range?

OOC:
DT puts down rebellions "Russian style"-55% of chechens are dead or displaced!

Ardor will do the same basically...

take which out? Might as well tell me now. Theres not alot of ways which you can do it. Its designed for theatre defence, and don't think about attacking with subs. It's ASROC missles work wonders on those. There will be 2-4 per fleet of mine. They will be of course supported by heavy Anti-Shiping warships.Take out the whole ship.

Is it okay if I launch my ASMs now, or is everyone still out of range?OOC:
Im out of range, yes, only the sub rescue ship thingy.

OOC: The ASMs are a present for Artitsa.

Dark Terror could do nothing but watch.

Perhaps. But my Spetsnaz forces have been mobilized. For what reason, and for why they are moving towards the mountains is unknown. ooc: Any informant from any of our countries would be VERY VERY unlikely. Therefore, they would be working counter-intelligence for us to set a trap. bwahaha. Also, if you noticed all nations in GDU are not allowing peoples from forign countries into the nation. Have fun bonstock, it'll be very hard.

OOC: The ASMs are a present for Artitsa.

Go for it. A warning, only two of those Theatre Missle defence ships are in the fleet. (Go for it, I dare you. :P)

I'd like to take a minute out of this battle for a minute and reflect. Law homework really sucks, and its quite boring. Thank you.

OOC:OOC: The ASMs are a present for Artitsa.8)

One question before I launch the missiles: Is your fleet under the protection of any anti-ballistic missile systems?

ballistic eh? If any are launched we retaliate in kind. Keep in mind I have no conventional ballistic missles. And my Anti-Ballestic missle defence is medocre at best (yeah I can't spell)

OOC: What exactly is going on, because i've been real busy lately?


IC:Realizing partially what is going on after trippin' for 2 weeks after eating some 4 year old cheese, Minister of War,Joseph Nerimov picks up the phone and schedules a war conference with all of ardors allies.

((Bonstock put special ops in your country to enter DT))

ballistic eh? If any are launched we retaliate in kind. Keep in mind I have no conventional ballistic missles. And my Anti-Ballestic missle defence is medocre at best (yeah I can't spell)

Keep in mind, i have some 2,000 nuclear warheads ready for deployment at once. Some other numbers would include some 300+ warheads wiht a total yeild of 520 megatons(Massive luanch system, includes the use of modified Titan V and Crimera III rockets capable of striking anywhere on the face of this planet.

"Enemy ships within range..."
"Fire the missiles."
"All of them?"
"As many as we need to..."
"All 5,000 of them?!"
"There are over 5,000 of them..."
"Yes, sir..."
*Some time passes as the missiles start being launched in salvos of 500 each*
"Sir, five ballistic missiles are approaching the area!"
"Pull the fleet back IMMEDIATELY! Prepare decontamination systems! DT's just brought this war to an unacceptable level..."
"Yes, sir! What should we do after the missiles go off?"
"Move back in as soon as it's safe and keep firing ASMs."
*Some more time passes...
Garbage comes in through the communications systems and fills the sensors for a few moments*
"Hmm...It must've been an EMP attack. Move the ships back in and unless they're dead in the water, make sure they're dead in the water!
"Yes, sir!"

In other news, the President of Nianacio has received a message suggesting a call for peace, and is apparently seriously considering it, having called for a halt on all offensive operations. *The news will take some time to reach the soldiers, so they'll have time to get the rest of the missiles off*

OOC: I'm under the protection of two ABM systems, so I don't worry too much about getting nuked.
Also, I'm going to keep up my part of the no-nukes deal, even though DT dropped his on my foot.

Those EMP missiles were headed for your fleet, and were launched from a stationary submarine somewhere in the ocean, so although you might suspect I'm responsible, there's no real proof. The reason my ships pulled back when they got word of the missiles was that they didn't know they were from Nianacio, and they were still far enough off that for all they knew, they were targeted right at them.

I hope you don't claim to have EMP-proof electronics, because Gallium Arsinide electronics are quite expensive.

I have to go. I'll be back sometime tomorrow (forum-time).

ooc: 5000 eh..
Did your EMP go off as the missles were launched thereby destroying their targeting? Also, EMP shielding is common place to all electronics nowadays... RL. Tanks, Ships, Aircraft, they all have shielding allowing them to restore power and the likes minimizing casualties. ;) Especially my big ships.

ic: The Artitsan ships return fire, just as the EMP is detonated. All systems go offline for a few seconds, a harsh silence falls over the crews. Then power is restored, and immediatly the ships are threatened with the Missles. The 500 cruisemissle salvoes are easy to pick off at first, but ammunition begins to dwindle, and finally roughly 2000 missles approach the fleet unheeded by any defence systems. 1400 of the missles lack guidance systems, but that still left 600 missles, which proceeded to sink: 1 Pantera class Carrier, 11 Lutjens Destroyers, 2 Cruisers, and lightly damage a Battleship.

((you SO stole that sub idea from me. Let us say (as I actually planned on rping this) that, that was my sub and it had detonated prematurley, in a spectacular failure, da?))

OOC: ooc: 5000 eh..It's actually a bit over 5,200.
Did your EMP go off as the missles were launched thereby destroying their targeting?It probably zapped one salvo, maybe two.
Also, EMP shielding is common place to all electronics nowadays... RL. Tanks, Ships, Aircraft, they all have shielding allowing them to restore power and the likes minimizing casualties. ;) Especially my big ships.But...but...Gallium Arsinide is expensive! :(
((you SO stole that sub idea from me. Let us say (as I actually planned on rping this) that, that was my sub and it had detonated prematurley, in a spectacular failure, da?))No, I've had them since March or June (I think so, anyway). I can't prove it, but I can prove I've had them at least since October, if I need to.
Okay, now I have to go...

((Are you pleased with your inflicted casualties? I can always bump it up s'more, with some type of convincing shpeal (you have caused about %40 casualties))

OOC: It would be nice if 850 missiles would hit their targets, but I'll take whatever casualties you give (as long as you don't lower them :D).

(True, but I consider at least 2-3 waves knocked out in the blast, as well as my massive amounts of CIWS and such. )
Two frigates and one Cruiser had to be scuttled due to massive damage. The striken fleet is moving towards home port.

ooc: 5000 eh..
Did your EMP go off as the missles were launched thereby destroying their targeting? Also, EMP shielding is common place to all electronics nowadays... RL. Tanks, Ships, Aircraft, they all have shielding allowing them to restore power and the likes minimizing casualties. ;) Especially my big ships.

ic: The Artitsan ships return fire, just as the EMP is detonated. All systems go offline for a few seconds, a harsh silence falls over the crews. Then power is restored, and immediatly the ships are threatened with the Missles. The 500 cruisemissle salvoes are easy to pick off at first, but ammunition begins to dwindle, and finally roughly 2000 missles approach the fleet unheeded by any defence systems. 1400 of the missles lack guidance systems, but that still left 600 missles, which proceeded to sink: 1 Pantera class Carrier, 11 Lutjens Destroyers, 2 Cruisers, and lightly damage a Battleship.

((you SO stole that sub idea from me. Let us say (as I actually planned on rping this) that, that was my sub and it had detonated prematurley, in a spectacular failure, da?))

OOC: Six hundred missiles only manage to sink 14 ships and "lightly damage" another? We're talking about requiring 50 missiles to hit a destroyer for a kill, which is absolutely ridiculous. Unless Nianiaco has some weak-ass missiles and I missed that, I believe your casualty report is quite frankly insulting. And why to 1400 of them lack guidance systems, or is that just an effect of his own EMP? And if it is due to his EMP, wouldn't his missiles be shielded, since, as you say, nowadays virtually everything is?

Just trying to keep this fairly real, not start another uberargument...but that paltry figure is totally unrealistic.

ooc: 5000 eh..
Did your EMP go off as the missles were launched thereby destroying their targeting? Also, EMP shielding is common place to all electronics nowadays... RL. Tanks, Ships, Aircraft, they all have shielding allowing them to restore power and the likes minimizing casualties. ;) Especially my big ships.

ic: The Artitsan ships return fire, just as the EMP is detonated. All systems go offline for a few seconds, a harsh silence falls over the crews. Then power is restored, and immediatly the ships are threatened with the Missles. The 500 cruisemissle salvoes are easy to pick off at first, but ammunition begins to dwindle, and finally roughly 2000 missles approach the fleet unheeded by any defence systems. 1400 of the missles lack guidance systems, but that still left 600 missles, which proceeded to sink: 1 Pantera class Carrier, 11 Lutjens Destroyers, 2 Cruisers, and lightly damage a Battleship.

((you SO stole that sub idea from me. Let us say (as I actually planned on rping this) that, that was my sub and it had detonated prematurley, in a spectacular failure, da?))

OOC: Six hundred missiles only manage to sink 14 ships and "lightly damage" another? We're talking about requiring 50 missiles to hit a destroyer for a kill, which is absolutely ridiculous. Unless Nianiaco has some weak-ass missiles and I missed that, I believe your casualty report is quite frankly insulting. And why to 1400 of them lack guidance systems, or is that just an effect of his own EMP? And if it is due to his EMP, wouldn't his missiles be shielded, since, as you say, nowadays virtually everything is?

Just trying to keep this fairly real, not start another uberargument...but that paltry figure is totally unrealistic.


ooc: Alright. Each one of my Anti-Missle cruisers can intecept about 100 missles at least, theres two each fleet, there goes 200 missles. Also many would be disabled from the EMP shockwave, and NO they would not have protection, unless he wants to weigh down his missles. Kashtan-M gun systems have 8 SAM's each that can hit a missle. My anti-missle cruisers carry about 12 of these Kashtan-M's, thus a total of 200+ SAM missles just from the Kashtan-M. Thats not including the Astors which would fire about 10 every 10 seconds until they run dry (30 missles from each side). Thus why I love that one ship. Of course Battleships can take anywhere from 4-12 Cruisemissles to bring it down. Every ship in my fleet has a Kashtan-M system. so overall: 2 Anti-Missle cruisers = atleast 400 downed missles, not including CIWS of other ships.

OOC:
Bluntly put, his AD cruiser have aorund 400 SAMs each. And advanced ones (Asters, navalized S-400's, SA-N-12 Grizzly's, and for close rnage defense 240 SA-N-11's on the Kashtan-M's)

*Mobilization is beggining for the creation of a grand battle armada*

The New Fleet will be unvieling several years of new and improved technology as well as completely new ship classes.

OOC:
BTW< fluffywuffy slight problem for you:
There are radars which will detect (not very exactly, but will detect) your B-747's at 600km ranges on the coasts. Then, scramble some fighters and theyre flaming wrecks. If the first wave got by, the second definitely wont!

Far off the Dark terror coast awaits 10 SSN-21 SEA WOLF SUBMARINEs of the Jaxusism's Foreign Status. With their 1st set of torpedoes loaded, they have their advanced radar systems on to full, and are awaiting any enemies to cross their path. The famous Captain Jaxius Jaxusism leading the 10 subs for 2 weeks to this area and is ready to battle to the end...

http://globalsecurity.org/military/systems/ship/images/ssn-21-dvic117-s.jpg
SSN-21 Sea Wolf Submarine Preparing For Attacks. (Pretend Torpedo Isnt There :P )

OOC: No, my missiles don't have EMP shielding, but I'm not sure about almost three salvoes being knocked out (I think two would be good).
And no, my missiles aren't weak and the destroyers should've been able to take less than ten missiles each, I think.

I didn't complain because I didn't want yet another two pages of OOC argument. (Then again, if I'm going to accept 100% casualties where I should, I suppose I should insist the enemy does, too...)

I started another IC post earlier, but I had to leave, and I have to go for a while again, so I may not be able to get in an IC post until tomorrow.

ooc: Nianacio, if you want, I can take more casualties. Just ask. I did lose 3 cruisers out of 8, 1 Carrier out of 2, and a battleship was damaged. I can increase the Battleship, Destroyers, and frigates damaged/destroyed. But you must also realize that they were heavily protected via the two Anti-Missle cruiser/ships.

OOC: Okay, please increase the casualties.
I have to go again...
<_<
>_>

Casualties: 1 Pantera Class Carrier, 1 Carrier moderatly damaged.
23 Lutjens Destroyers sunk, remain heavily damaged. 5 Frigates sunk, 3 damaged. 3 Cruisers sunk, 1 Crippled, and a further two moderatly damaged. 1 Battleship sustains moderate damage and another light. (I recently discovered many cruisemissles cannot penetrate a battleships armour)

ooc: That more to your liking? tis about %80 casualties.

Far off the Dark terror coast awaits 10 SSN-21 SEA WOLF SUBMARINEs of the Jaxusism's Foreign Status. With their 1st set of torpedoes loaded, they have their advanced radar systems on to full, and are awaiting any enemies to cross their path. The famous Captain Jaxius Jaxusism leading the 10 subs for 2 weeks to this area and is ready to battle to the end...

http://globalsecurity.org/military/systems/ship/images/ssn-21-dvic117-s.jpg
SSN-21 Sea Wolf Submarine Preparing For Attacks. (Pretend Torpedo Isnt There :P )

Just in case no one noticed.

A secret transmission reached the sub, just as the men prepared to scuba dive onto shore, under cover of darkness.

This is High Command. Hold your positions of the coast. We have put the situation on hold. We believe there will be reason to return home.

Shocked, the crew turned to eachother in amazement.

"Vlad. We've been training for this for years! Tell me they did not just say 'hold your positions.'"

"I'm afraid so, Max. I'm afraid 3 years of training has gone to waste. What a bloody waste of time and energy."

Max's face dropped.

"I'm sure there's some catch to this."

"The best I think we can hope for is a humanitarian mission."

"Or a mission into Bonstock proper."

"That is true. Those bastards holding onto Nozomi Station AFB are gonna need some good help."

"Also, we may be forced to take in some 'refugees' from our own country."

"The President's still there? That woman's crazy!"

"Well, we may have to make some room." Vlad looked at the sub drivers. "Reverse course to Bonstock proper."

"Yes, sir."

ooc: If I read diplomatic communications correctly, my differences with Dark Terror are officially solved. I'll go now.

I will, of course, wait for the argument to end and the war to get going! If this is really a WWI style place, I wanna see you guys actaully capture the brutality of trench warefare. Post some poetry if you have to. Anything to make this more then "No Fluffywuffy, I killed your B 747s" and "No Dark Terror, they got through!"

OoC : (g2g 4 2nite, c ya 2morrow)

OOC:
Bonstock-
Its more like a neverending battle of kursk, when there were 7500 tanks blasting each other in a field 1500 meters wide.

Casualties: 1 Pantera Class Carrier, 1 Carrier moderatly damaged.
23 Lutjens Destroyers sunk, remain heavily damaged. 5 Frigates sunk, 3 damaged. 3 Cruisers sunk, 1 Crippled, and a further two moderatly damaged. 1 Battleship sustains moderate damage and another light. (I recently discovered many cruisemissles cannot penetrate a battleships armour)

ooc: That more to your liking? tis about %80 casualties.

OOC: As it is really not my business, I'll just drop the topic, as the last time an argument started, 10+ pages of OOC resulted. However I must point out that YOU YOURSELF stated that "roughly 2000 missles [sic] approach the fleet unheeded by any defense systems." So any casualities you declare, must start with the fact that ~2000 missiles are going to be hitting stuff; even discounting ALL the "unguided" ones, according to YOU, 600, MINIMUM hit something. But again, this isn't my war, and I really don't want to get involved, as it seems to be dragging out into the missile right of "no, you can't do that."

But carry on.

Casualties: 1 Pantera Class Carrier, 1 Carrier moderatly damaged.
23 Lutjens Destroyers sunk, remain heavily damaged. 5 Frigates sunk, 3 damaged. 3 Cruisers sunk, 1 Crippled, and a further two moderatly damaged. 1 Battleship sustains moderate damage and another light. (I recently discovered many cruisemissles cannot penetrate a battleships armour)

ooc: That more to your liking? tis about %80 casualties.

OOC: As it is really not my business, I'll just drop the topic, as the last time an argument started, 10+ pages of OOC resulted. However I must point out that YOU YOURSELF stated that "roughly 2000 missles [sic] approach the fleet unheeded by any defense systems." So any casualities you declare, must start with the fact that ~2000 missiles are going to be hitting stuff; even discounting ALL the "unguided" ones, according to YOU, 600, MINIMUM hit something. But again, this isn't my war, and I really don't want to get involved, as it seems to be dragging out into the missile right of "no, you can't do that."

But carry on.

*shifty eyes* shh. It was 1am, and I was working on a law project. Gimme a break.

*shifty eyes* shh. It was 1am, and I was working on a law project. Gimme a break.

OOC: As I said, not my fight. I'll stop complaining, at least unless I get involved for some bizarre reason.

Law project? Studying in college?

ooc: Grade 11. I had to analyize 10 newspaper articles, search for the criminal codes that were broken, and find 5 legal terms. Each. (Canadian Law)

"As you can see, our navy is not a force you want to disturb. Artitsa's fleet is demolished." Or at least it should be...
*As the president speaks, the ships are huddling around the supply ships (getting more missiles that will be fired at DT's fleet) and twenty-six fighters are preparing to fly toward the DT fleet in maximum stealth (stealthier than an F-22), each aircraft's internal bays loaded with two EMP-warhead anti-ship missiles that will fly toward enemy radar, two forty-mile-range air-to-air missiles, and one one hundred thirty-kilometer-range air-to-air missile. Meanwhile, another five SLEMs (what I call my sub-launched EMP missiles) are being prepped for launch at DT's fleet, another five for launch at The Macabee's fleet, and another five for launch at Geforce4's fleet.*
"Neither is our space force. As I'm speaking, a few of our laser-equipped satellites should be over Dark Terror, shooting down any satellites it or Artitsa have up there."
(I think earlier in this thread I said I was moving their attention from TATA to DT. And no, the president is not giving you enough warning to scramble high-altitude fighters to shoot them down.)
*The speech is not over, but by now, there should be satellites raining down, fleets being made powerless, and, moments later, being hit by just as many missiles as Artitsa's fleet was hit by.*

ooc: Ok thats it. How far are you from my cost good lad? We'll see who does the destroying here.

ic: The Third and fourth fleets are being prepared to leave port to battle the enemy. The Artitsan President has given the go ahead for EMP usage. (once again I need to know how far out your nation is.)

The Defence sattelites in space (the ones with the machine guns to knock out other sattelites) have been activated. They are moving to down Nianacio's aggressor satelittes. (about 12 of ours)

ooc: That fleet pretty much was destroyed. There are: barely a carrier, 4 battleships, 2 Lutjens Destroyers, and 1 Cruiser (both anti-missle cruisers are unharmed)

ic: The 12 Oscar III's (one oscar II was designed to destroy an entire american fleet in one shot) fire their 24 missles into the Nianacio fleet. They are prepared to sell their lives for the cause.

ooc: wait until I get home from school so I can tell you what missle their carrying, Im a tad rushed right now. Oh, and what happened to the peace.

ooc: Ok thats it. How far are you from my cost good lad? We'll see who does the destroying here.OOC: Over 1,200km, I think.
ic: The Third and fourth fleets are being prepared to leave port to battle the enemy. The Artitsan President has given the go ahead for EMP usage. (once again I need to know how far out your nation is.)Oh, my nation? Dunno...It's all of the far east, if that matters.
The Defence sattelites in space (the ones with the machine guns to knock out other sattelites) have been activated. They are moving to down Nianacio's aggressor satelittes. (about 12 of ours)The machine guns'll knock them around like crazy.
I have no clue how to calculate satellite-to-satellite casualties...:|
ooc: That fleet pretty much was destroyed. There are: barely a carrier, 4 battleships, 2 Lutjens Destroyers, and 1 Cruiser (both anti-missle cruisers are unharmed)I think that one should be totally destroyed, but I won't be able to hit the other fleets that're coming, because I fired all of my ready ASMs at you, and am firing all my reloads at DT.
ic: The 12 Oscar III's (one oscar II was designed to destroy an entire american fleet in one shot) fire their 24 missles into the Nianacio fleet. They are prepared to sell their lives for the cause.

ooc: wait until I get home from school so I can tell you what missle their carrying, Im a tad rushed right now.Ok.
Oh, and what happened to the peace.I'm getting to that. It'll come later in the president's speech. This speech isn't going to take all of an IC day, though, so I think we should keep fighting to a minimum (just posting casualties and launching immediate retaliatory strikes) until it's done.

OOC:
Ive put over 100 subs in the way of any reinforcements, mind explaining how they warped past?

Sattelites eh? Forcien and Bisonis Almaz sattelites will shoot YOURS down!

OOC:
They took so long to arrive because they took a safer route.

Warning: Two sentence rant ahead:
I've accepted heavy casualties...as high as 100% of what you aimed at. Why don't you?

ooc: Ok thats it. How far are you from my cost good lad? We'll see who does the destroying here.OOC: Over 1,200km, I think.
ic: The Third and fourth fleets are being prepared to leave port to battle the enemy. The Artitsan President has given the go ahead for EMP usage. (once again I need to know how far out your nation is.)Oh, my nation? Dunno...It's all of the far east, if that matters.
The Defence sattelites in space (the ones with the machine guns to knock out other sattelites) have been activated. They are moving to down Nianacio's aggressor satelittes. (about 12 of ours)The machine guns'll knock them around like crazy.
I have no clue how to calculate satellite-to-satellite casualties...:|
ooc: That fleet pretty much was destroyed. There are: barely a carrier, 4 battleships, 2 Lutjens Destroyers, and 1 Cruiser (both anti-missle cruisers are unharmed)I think that one should be totally destroyed, but I won't be able to hit the other fleets that're coming, because I fired all of my ready ASMs at you, and am firing all my reloads at DT.
ic: The 12 Oscar III's (one oscar II was designed to destroy an entire american fleet in one shot) fire their 24 missles into the Nianacio fleet. They are prepared to sell their lives for the cause.

ooc: wait until I get home from school so I can tell you what missle their carrying, Im a tad rushed right now.Ok.
Oh, and what happened to the peace.I'm getting to that. It'll come later in the president's speech. This speech isn't going to take all of an IC day, though, so I think we should keep fighting to a minimum (just posting casualties and launching immediate retaliatory strikes) until it's done.

(Good day in school today :D, I fiended the math! %85 on my quiz, and a level 4 (A+) on my performance problem. You may be thinking wow, thats great, but for me, who is getting %35 in math, its AWESOME.)

ooc: Well Nianacio, you did take out the complete 1st fleet from action. The same as destroying it, I cannot fight with a fleet under %25 strength.

When I was mentioning the EMP, I wanted to know about your fleet, not your country. 1200km is to far though for my EMP system that I developed.

ic: ok, Oscar III's launch 24 Yakhont-4s each at the approaching fleet (288 missles total) then turn and hightail it outta there. Several Hundred planes are being taxied for immediate sorties against the incoming fleets, and the Coastal wall is on full alert to launch its hypersonic scramjet missles.

ooc: I also have no clue how to calculate space satellite casualties. All I know is, thems some expencive hardware funded by pepsi ;)

Double post!!

OOC:
There two routes to get to the battlefield:
- From the south, which is where the subs are
- From the north, which isnt too far away from japan or far eastern russia, and then coastal missile batteries will skin you.

Take your pick.

OOC: (Good day in school today :D, I fiended the math! %85 on my quiz, and a level 4 (A+) on my performance problem. You may be thinking wow, thats great, but for me, who is getting %35 in math, its AWESOME.)Yay! 8) :)
ooc: Well Nianacio, you did take out the complete 1st fleet from action. The same as destroying it, I cannot fight with a fleet under %25 strength.I'm stubbon. ;)
When I was mentioning the EMP, I wanted to know about your fleet, not your country. 1200km is to far though for my EMP system that I developed.Oh, okay.
ic: ok, Oscar III's launch 24 Yakhont-4s each at the approaching fleet (288 missles total) then turn and hightail it outta there.Noooo...I erased my equations for calculating casualties from Yakhonts! :cry: I'll try to make them up again...Oh great, I need the search function to find the relevant posts. I don't want to go through the whole thread just to find three posts.
Several Hundred planes are being taxied for immediate sorties against the incoming fleetsPh43r my stealth fighters. 8)
the Coastal wall is on full alert to launch its hypersonic scramjet missles.That's if I dare to get close to the coast...right?

OOC:
There two routes to get to the battlefield:
- From the south, which is where the subs are
- From the north, which isnt too far away from japan or far eastern russia, and then coastal missile batteries will skin you.

Take your pick.I own Japan! :lol: From the north, then, I guess.

DT, you have casualties to post. I need you to post casualties so I can continue the speech. It's not so long that Artitsa's going to have time to attack my fleet again before it's over!

OoC : Is it just me or is my fleet being totally ignored? :(

OOC:
Stealth?

Stupid boy, if I have radars (S-400/SA-20 Triumf) that can detect stuff at 3500km and F-22's at 600km, your stealth isnt going to get very far. And even then, your missiles would be downed. Going by the north? Well youll have to get in range of coastal 650km range missiles by doing that- bad situation for you.

Where are the EMP planes coming from?

*sheakes head sadly*

Quit assuming just because you have stealth, youre going to get somewhere. If youre too stupid to develop laser radar or millimeter band radar, well, thats not very good for you.
IC:

As a first batch of sattelites is shot down, the remaining Bisonic Almaz sattelites return fire, and the first Buran space shuttle armed with a laser is launched into orbit, being mostly developed if still experimental.

A plea for help is sent to Forcian Almaz sattelites.

OOC:
Also, how did the EMP planes get there? I believe Artitsa has submarines in the north, either way youd be detected by GDU forces.

OOC:
Stealth?

Stupid boy, if I have radars (S-400/SA-20 Triumf) that can detect stuff at 3500km and F-22's at 600km, your stealth isnt going to get very far. And even then, your missiles would be downed. Going by the north? Well youll have to get in range of coastal 650km range missiles by doing that- bad situation for you.

Where are the EMP planes coming from?

*sheakes head sadly*

Quit assuming just because you have stealth, youre going to get somewhere. If youre too stupid to develop laser radar or millimeter band radar, well, thats not very good for you.
IC:

As a first batch of sattelites is shot down, the remaining Bisonic Almaz sattelites return fire, and the first Buran space shuttle armed with a laser is launched into orbit, being mostly developed if still experimental.

A plea for help is sent to Forcian Almaz sattelites.

ooc: lets keep the flaming to a minimum da? Nianacio, you basically have to stay 1000km away from my shore to not feel my wrath. I won't reveal how you will feel it, but you will! *shakes fist* Note to self: put cruisemissles on islands to destroy all! And also, the planes I use are stealth as well, about the same if not a teeny bit more than the F-22. The Za-41, and Za-28.

OOC:
They have stealth detection capabilities at I believe 65km.

OoC : Is it just me or is my fleet being totally ignored? :(It appears to be being ignored.
Stupid boy:lol:
if I have radars (S-400/SA-20 Triumf) that can detect stuff at 3500km and F-22's at 600km, your stealth isnt going to get very far.Oh, yes, it is. Detecting them will do you no good (anyway, these are more stealthy than an F-22). I shouldn't be accepting all these casualties...Everything I've lost any of is stealthy...
And even then, your missiles would be downed.They're stealthy, too.
Going by the north? Well youll have to get in range of coastal 650km range missiles by doing that- bad situation for you.They're either high-altitude or low-speed. Pick one; either way, they'd be easy to shoot down.
Where are the EMP planes coming from?What EMP planes? I see no EMP planes!
Quit assuming just because you have stealth, youre going to get somewhere. If youre too stupid to develop laser radar or millimeter band radar, well, thats not very good for you.:lol: Neither of those work against stealth, as I've already proven.
As a first batch of sattelites is shot down, the remaining Bisonic Almaz sattelites return fire, and the first Buran space shuttle armed with a laser is launched into orbit, being mostly developed if still experimental.Some of my satellites are shot down.
There is no way you can launch a space shuttle on such short notice (a few minutes)! A shuttle launch takes months(?) of preparation.
I believe Artitsa has submarines in the north, either way youd be detected by GDU forces.Detected? Of course they'll be detected!
ooc: lets keep the flaming to a minimum da?No comments on spelling/grammar/intelligence/etc. coming from me!
Nianacio, you basically have to stay 1000km away from my shore to not feel my wrath.Okay.
I won't reveal how you will feel it, but you will! *shakes fist*The Artitsa-DT-? Triangle! :o
Note to self: put cruisemissles on islands to destroy all!Note to self: bomb islands!
And also, the planes I use are stealth as well, about the same if not a teeny bit more than the F-22. The Za-41, and Za-28.Hmmm...so I guess our planes engage each other at quite a shorter distance than the missiles should otherwise be useful at.
OOC:
They have stealth detection capabilities at I believe 65km.What does?

I think I remembered the casualty equation!
Another eleven destroyers sunk and another wounded.

Quote:
Note to self: put cruisemissles on islands to destroy all!
Note to self: bomb islands!
ooc: Note to Nianacio: go for it. I said cruise missles. I mentioned earlier about the heavy radar installations and SAM sites on the islands :P

I think I remembered the casualty equation!
Another eleven destroyers sunk and another wounded.
Fair enough...

OOC:
You havent proven anything: YOu posted about laser radar without so much as a link, and didnt post at all about millimeter band. And get over it: Stealth worked for maybe 20 years, then radar tech advanced as well to the point where F-117's or B-2's can be tracked and engaged in 2003: DT exists in 2015, and yet I still use the 1990's S-400 to detect and engage your stealth :roll: . OK, if it really matters, I only detect your stealth at 600km, then send out MiG-37 interceptors who can engage it at 200km to blow it down (MiG-37'
s are 98 feet long, theres room for the radar).


Really, the arguement about stealth is going nowhere, because all my SSM's are stealth, all the planes Ive used are stealth, so the "I shoudlnt have taken the casualties" goes both ways.

OOC: ooc: Note to Nianacio: go for it. I said cruise missles. I mentioned earlier about the heavy radar installations and SAM sites on the islandsNote to self: Stop making no...Oh, right...
OOC:
You havent proven anything: YOu posted about laser radar without so much as a link, and didnt post at all about millimeter band.Whoops, I didn't mean for that to say that I proved it wrong. I wasn't the only person proving you wrong. ;)
And get over it: Stealth worked for maybe 20 yearsAnd it still does.
then radar tech advanced as well to the point where F-117's or B-2's can be tracked and engaged in 2003Detected, yes. Tracked and engaged, certainly not.
use the 1990's S-400 to detect and engage your stealth :roll: .Then I guess you're a godmoder?
OK, if it really matters, I only detect your stealth at 600km, then send out MiG-37 interceptors who can engage it at 200km to blow it down (MiG-37'
s are 98 feet long, theres room for the radar).They'll have to do it with guns. But they'll be shot down before they get that close.
Really, the arguement about stealth is going nowhere, because all my SSM's are stealth, all the planes Ive used are stealth, so the "I shoudlnt have taken the casualties" goes both ways.Except I haven't been seeing you post real casualties (or lately, any at all) or accept that you can't use a missile or CIWS against a stealthy SSM.

OOC:
Here we go again, 10 page debate on stealth tech :roll:

"UBER STEALTH CANNOT BE DETECTED AT ALL!!"
"MY UBERRADAR DETCTS IT"
"NO"
"YES"
"NO"
"YES"
"NO"
"YES"
"GODMODER"
"GODMODER"
"I IGNORE J00!!!!"

Want me to start it for you? :D
UBER STEALTH CANNOT BE DETECTED AT ALL!!

Actually, I never did and never will seriously say that stealth can't be detected.

OOC:
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/russia/antey-2500.htm

There you go, anti stealth SAM system, can detect stealth, as global security said rather bluntly.

I win.

It can simultaneously engage 24 aerodynamic targets, including stealth targets

I hate Global Security...I need to turn off Javascript so it loads.

Anyway, no, you don't win.
The F-117's RCS is between .01 and .001 square meters. By "up to", I assume they mean "down to", because claiming that it can engage anything that doesn't appear any larger than 0.2 meters is ridiculous ("Sir, there's a Nianaciana dust particle!" "Shoot it down with the Antey 2500, minion number one!" "Yes, sir!")

I'm a palindrome! 8)