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and how does this work?

The Jimathon Ministar? I don't know. I think it makes a mini star and harnesses its energy. It's existed for years. All my ships use it, as well as many GA ships.

And before you say it, he did RP its development, it can be destroyed, and you also have access to it.

:D can i pls join the GA :D

Do you agree to the Constitution?

It will have huge engines that take up lots of room. to compensate for this. A lot of systems will be run by AI (a lillte less then CABAL level)
We actually bought large amounts of ships to study the technology.
It will have powerful weapon systems but it will not be invulnrable.

Our scientists are working out the final flaws in schematics.

You have mentioned massive numbers of weapons, have you read my modern battleship comparison?

haven't read it yet where can i ?

In this thread. In the old GA thread. In my ship thread. In almost every single space RP I have ever been in.


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Duke Solomon Klonor
Founder: Galactic Alliance (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=71260)
Member: The New Jewish Alliance
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A mini-star? gwah... I'll have to beat that then... wher'd i put those specs for that Quantum Singularity (dead serious) EDIT: wait... I'm already using one on the Excalibur... duh

it just shows ships and ship orders?

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that would be funnier if I didn't have to write a story for english class and have to finish my navi homework which we haven't learned

there wasn't anything in there about a constitution

about what

that is wierd a friend of mine on the star wars galaxies game has the name leviathan.

i want to join GA need to read constitution

its on page one of this thread, the first post.

first post talks about collossis

Rouge Squadron, what the hell are you talking about?

can you stop talking in gibberrish

THIS FIRST POST:


Galactic Alliance

Article 1:
Each member must adhere to Alliance laws and mandates.

Article 2:
Each member maintains control over their territory, as long as it does not conflict with Article 1.

Article 3:
Any technological developments or creations from before joining the Alliance is strict property of its creator, shared only at his/her wishes.

Article 4:
Any technological developments or creations from after joining the Alliance are shared with all.

Article 5:
Any warship constructed using technology obtained from the Alliance is an Alliance ship, being under the command of all members. It shall be crewed by people from all members, and subject only to the orders of the Alliance.

Article 6:
All members must give all other members free passage and trade to their systems.

Article 7:
If a member is in trouble which he/she is not responsible for, all other members are required to pledge any support they can.

Article 8:
The Alliance may only embark on a course of action after it has been approved by all members.

Article 9:
No one in the Alliance may cause harm to another member, unless there is just cause, upon which they will be expelled from the Alliance.

Article 10:
Any member may propose a change to the Articles, and may propose a new law at any time. These shall come into effect immediately upon the ratification by all member nations.

i found it sry i am a newb

The GA constitution is on page one of this thread. It has nothing to do with the Colossus.

we can tell

if i accept will people help me firgure things out?

will accept anyway

Figure what things out? We'll help any way we can.

people will help you figure things out if you don't join.


READ THE STICKIES!!!!

ok well i am wondering is there really money in this game?

i want to join

ok well i am wondering is there really money in this game?

I repeat
READ THE STICKIES!!!

can anyone help me think of a name for a story. I am having witers block

fine i will but it isn't nice to yell at newbs

hope i never see u on galaxies kane

ctually compared to what people usually do here I was very nice and diplomatic

i be on after i read the stickes

Finally

so can someone help me think of a name

hehe where do i find them?

They're stuck (hence the name "stickies") at the top of the NationStates and International Incidents forums

:twisted: they are at the op of the forums :evil:

thxs

so can I get help now

What's the plot?

I love Blademasters... his making me realize my ships are worth more than I valued tham has just increaced my total profit so far to $18,246,075,000,000.

i g2g will be on tomarrow

What's the plot?

I will make this summary very short

some guy lives in a valley. it is between 2 cliffs so he can't get out of the valley. fianlly he gets so lonely he decides to climb the cliffs so he can find other people. eventually he gets up and finds a village. by that time it is nigh time so there aren't a lot of people around. he walks around trying to find people. finally he meets some people but they run away.
He chases after them so he can meet them then he sees a big monster running towards him. He tries to stop but trips in the process. he lands righjt before the monster toi see that oit was just a mirror.

it will be better then the summary but that is absically it. He doesn't know he is scary because he hasn't scene himself or anyone else.

it is bad I know biut I need some help

here is a picture of my ship just in case you wanted to know what it looks like. thi is the frame no weapons

http://www.galacticempiredatabank.com/StrikeCruiser1a.gif

If thats going to be a 15km long ship, you have a huge 1-2km docking hole in the front... thats a good way to get owned.

well actually the frame design isn't done yet.

that is basicallt what it looks like

OOC: translation: best pic I could find

but to make you feel better I will change the pic to this

http://www.galacticempiredatabank.com/StrikeCruiser1a.gif

Right now I'm in an all or nothing (As in the loser goes "bye bye" completely) fight with Arbra, but I'm about to win and I don't think I'll need much help with that. The GA has a whole might need help in our war versus Parthenon and Crimosn Blades, but I don't think anybody has posted in that thread in days. So, just wait for something new to come up.

Oh, and as an added bonus, since we recently realised the GA has a freakishly big budget, we're building about 50 ships for every GA member. Once we hammer out the details for that (the specific number, what types of ships, any limit on size, etc.) you can list which ships you'd like built.

I'm not in the GA, just an ally.

Besides, I don't need more ships; our seven 3km long Thunderhead-class Superforetesses are all the force-projection anyone needs, and I'll have plenty of construction capasity to build more once we're finished... uh... nevermind. I can't tell you that, atleast not yet.

thanks for the info :wink:

I also want to ask for help designing a super heavy weapon for my flag ship. My scientists will have trouble building it alone so we would like the GA to help us design it. We would greatly appreciate the help and would help anyone who particiapted construct these.

Well, I could sell you the rights to my armageddon cannon :wink:

thi will be sytronger we hope. if it can't be we will by the rights and just make the cannon bigger.

anyways, jimathon:
your fleet is done
You think I could pay you to build better engines. or make your larger which ever is bettter

Stronger? You want something stronger than the equilvelant of 800,000,000,000,000 megatons? :?

it doesn't actually be stronger just longer range

I do suppose 15,000,000km is abit short in space... :?

so are you in for development. you could use them on your ships

I could help. Look how much money I have now up at the top of the page.

nice. I have more then that but not for military. :(
send scientists to my station, in the scri systems.

I think they will find it adequate
I didn't spend 10 rtriliion on it for it be worthless

*sends 3 good scientists*

Can I join this Alliance?

Do you agree with everything in the constitution? (page 1)

:lol:

*sends 3 good scientists*

would you like us to take them or shall we send you the coordiantes

OOC: finally I finished my retarted story. now I can spend toiime doing what I like

I will send them to you. Send me the coords

The Orbital Colony Alpha has finished its preperations on planet Earth and is now preparing to leave, becoming the first mobile colony ever. Our first flight should take us near plenty of GA systems, so we pledge our allegiance.

do you agree to the constitution?

OOC: I woudln't call you the first

OOC: Sorry, I didn't know.

After reading the terms you have set aside, we agree.

Welcome to the Galactic Alliance. You hava access to all GA facilities and have all the privelages that the rest of us have.

OOC: it is fine I didn't there was another nation based on nod when I made my country

IC: I welcome you to the allaince

We have finally figured out how to slove the crew quarters issue. instead of having humans on board. The ship will be run by 350,000 robotic personel. They require no crew quarters and we will devote the medical centre to a repair facility instead. The room which would normally be used for the crew quarters will instead be used for engines. This will allow us to have even more weapon and speed capabilities.

Neato... you know this ship will belong to the GA due to the constitution...

Stronger? You want something stronger than the equilvelant of 800,000,000,000,000 megatons? :?

:shock:
If fueled via direct matter-energy conversion at 100% efficence, each shot will requore atleast 35'555'555'555 metric tones of fuel.

I'm begining to suspect I have have to review the KHGV Emberwind's Plot-grade superweapon status.

Its what I call a "Reverse Fusion Weapon". Basically a big beam of light that goes killy killy. Takes 2 hours to recharge though. Its power scource are the Reverse Fusion Antimatter reactors that are the ships powerplants.

Neato... you know this ship will belong to the GA due to the constitution...


I doubt anyone will want to conustrct this thing.

thanks to spaceial preperations it costst me only 25 trill the rest of you will have it jacked up. I doubt you wil want to builld one

I dont want to build one, I have me Sovereign class. I was 'jus saying.

the other thing is that the only place with all of the tech to build the ship is my space yard. it can't be done anywhere else

you think the allaince will want me to build another one

Its what I call a "Reverse Fusion Weapon". Basically a big beam of light that goes killy killy. Takes 2 hours to recharge though. Its power scource are the Reverse Fusion Antimatter reactors that are the ships powerplants.

Hurm; you've just reminded me of several of my older, less straight-forward weapon concepts. :twisted:

Oh no what have I done :cry:

are they evil weapon concepts?

are they evil weapon concepts?

Some.

And no, you can't have them if/when ICly implimented :P :wink:

are they evil weapon concepts?

Some.

And no, you can't have them if/when ICly implimented :P :wink:

BAH!!! Nothing is as evol as my Armageddon cannon!! I could destroy stars!! Too bad lots of people would jump me if I did...

please can I have them. I will give you a choclate bar

please can I have them. I will give you a choclate bar

We manufacture the entire Subjective Flavor(tm) snack line; my choclate bars are better than yours :P

As for Penguenia's cannon, I've got far nastier toys on the drawing table.

As for Penguenia's cannon, I've got far nastier toys on the drawing table.

LIES :o

As for Penguenia's cannon, I've got far nastier toys on the drawing table.

LIES :o

*opens folder marked "Classifyed"*

*ahem*

"Project Description: A Torroidal Singularity Launcher Utalising Cee-State Induction And Resulting Quasi-Mass To Increase Effective Yeild Upon Induced Torroidal Spin-Down Collapse And Total Matter-Energy Conversion"

*closes folder, which promptly vanishes*

8)

His Majesty, Emperor Eizen II, sees great opportunity for the Empire as a member of this alliance.

A Diplomatic team has been dispatched and has been given authority to negociate and oetition for our nations membership. Though we despise governing bodies such as the UN we feel the Galactic Alliance will respect our sovereignty as a Nation so far as we comply with the treaty of Alliance, which we intend to do to the letter.

So you agree to follow all articles on the constitution?

Article 1:
Each member must adhere to Alliance laws and mandates.

Article 2:
Each member maintains control over their territory, as long as it does not conflict with Article 1.

Article 3:
Any technological developments or creations from before joining the Alliance is strict property of its creator, shared only at his/her wishes.

Article 4:
Any technological developments or creations from after joining the Alliance are shared with all.

Article 5:
Any warship constructed using technology obtained from the Alliance is an Alliance ship, being under the command of all members. It shall be crewed by people from all members, and subject only to the orders of the Alliance.

Article 6:
All members must give all other members free passage and trade to their systems.

Article 7:
If a member is in trouble which he/she is not responsible for, all other members are required to pledge any support they can.

Article 8:
The Alliance may only embark on a course of action after it has been approved by all members.

Article 9:
No one in the Alliance may cause harm to another member, unless there is just cause, upon which they will be expelled from the Alliance.

Article 10:
Any member may propose a change to the Articles, and may propose a new law at any time. These shall come into effect immediately upon the ratification by all member nations.



Since none of these Articles affect Eizen's sovereignty as a nation, we readily accept.

Welcome to the GA then.

this a glorious day, the colors of the Galactic Alliance shall fly near the Eizen Colors at the Imperial Palace.

Two Embassies from the GA will be established within our territory. One in the capital city of Antares, near the Imperial Palace, and one in the Starport City of Oblivion, near the Imperial Trade Centre.

Hopefully Eizen's firepower will contribute nicely.

wait does the GA have a flag?

So Jimathon will you accept my prposal to design new engines

Also :oops: :oops:
beacuse of a budgeting error the shup will still be completed in 14 years but will cost 50trillion to produce

the accountantans who made this error are being hung now as we speak :oops:

:lol: Stoopid number crunchers

We have justed finshed hanging the head accountant, Miceal Enron, for his masive error

aditionally 50 billion has been acquired that will be sent to the Resi corporation to build 10 plasma powerplants. thses will provide energy for weapon systems.
Additionally, we will construct 2 quick silver reactors to flow through the ship and support other systems (sheilds sensors, etc)
we hope that Jimathon will provide their services in building new engines for us

how many real life months will it take you? Mines gonna take 1.5 :(

months?? it will take my 2 weeks to finish aquiring funds, then 2 weeks to construct it. I guess a month

Wow your fast... it took Klonor 2 months to build the original Colossus.

Do you guys want help buildin ships... or do you want meto build your flagships? I have a 200km long spacedock (where i build my big ships) and am planning on completing my flagship (this'll be my 3rd or so due to war and civil war) and mine is gonna be around 11km, and I'm plannning on building it in 10 RL days, not to mention it'll probably be able to out-run and alsmost out gun both of yours (I use gravimetric drives coupled with an artificial singularity, and then there is the Kharak II main cannon...) if you need some of our ConAvatars to build them, they operate at about 4-8x the efficiency of human workers.

that is really good for something this big.

also our scientists have made some porgress on the new weapons sytem.
So far they have been able to boost the weapons range by 5,000 kilometeres.
The weapons sytem has been dubbed by the scientiist the apocalypse cannon, after the weapon it is based on. The scientits hope to have boosted the range to at least 100,000km before the construction of the ship starts. They have a good chance to thanks to our facilities. We have freed up .5 trillion a year to use for development and testing of the new weapons.

Do you guys want help buildin ships... or do you want meto build your flagships? I have a 200km long spacedock (where i build my big ships) and am planning on completing my flagship (this'll be my 3rd or so due to war and civil war) and mine is gonna be around 11km, and I'm plannning on building it in 10 RL days, not to mention it'll probably be able to out-run and alsmost out gun both of yours (I use gravimetric drives coupled with an artificial singularity, and then there is the Kharak II main cannon...) if you need some of our ConAvatars to build them, they operate at about 4-8x the efficiency of human workers.

I do not need workers we have millions of robots to build thios for us. I do not need a dock. I have a 200 km long dock. wwe spent more then 10 trillion on it and it is a state of the art facilty. The weapon we are deveoping will be able to handle your weapons along with the sheilds we are making. I don't know about going faster then my ship but I could beleive that it will outmenuver it

Look. With my crew strapped in to the ship, Dryaus can accelerate it beyond 8000 meters per second^2 for sublight, and it is capable of jumping over 1000 light years per jump with an average jump drive recharge time of 10 minutes. not to mention it has stealth capabilities... why am i telling you al this, the plans have been posted, go look for project excalibur

I, and every single nation of the region Giftee Land declare war on all of you, and invade immediately.


PWNED

You have been IGNORED thank you for your time.

You two should actually read the statistics of my Sovereign class. If you plan on outgunning that... I admit defeat in the space arms race. Will be completed in 1 RL month!!

that was odd

You two should actually read the statistics of my Sovereign class. If you plan on outgunning that... I admit defeat in the space arms race. Will be completed in 1 RL month!!

I plan on outgunning it.
thanks to the fact I need no life systems my room has just majorely increased. hence more weapons. better sheilds. faster engines, and more docking capacity

Penguenia... your ship has a tops speed in space, mine doesn't, it accelerated, at 8000 meters per second squared, thats pretty fast... not to mention, the Kharak II cannon is about one and a half times as powerful as your "armageddon" cannon.
Edit: and looking at that ship's specs, your ships must be made out of cardboard to fit that many into an 11km long ship... with that much stuff, it shoudl eb at least 20-30km long.

2nd EDIT: and, unlike you two, I actually plan on NOT Godmoding.

:shock: More powerful?? Do you realize how powerful mine is? Mines like close to godmodding... more powerful?

Edit: I do not godmod.

well beter inform the scientists to double the outpuf an apocalyppse cannon. I guess that it will go on last. wouldn't the sppeds mean that
a) your ships will be hard to slow down after a while
b) your ships will be eventually torn apart by the strain of the massive speeds
c) be impossible to menuver at higher speeds. going that fast a peice of dust would take out a major part of the ship

no, Penguenia, you ARE godmoding. and if BoK is making his more powerful, he is too. look at my ship, it has disadvantages, and actually carries a REALISTIC ammount of troops, fighters, etc.

EDIT: BoK, it used gravimetric drives, don't try to pull a "it would rip the ship apart" on me, I know what I was doing when I designed it. It can decelerate as fast as it accelerates, and at those speeds, again thanks to the gravimetric drives, and sheer thickness of the hull, it can maneuver quite well.

11km, plus the fatness of it, I have a realistic capacity.

Edit: And tell me the disadvantages of a ship that can outgun and outrun both mine and BoK's. Just want explinations, not a fight. I dont like to argue with friendlies.

Penguenia... your ship has a tops speed in space, mine doesn't, it accelerated, at 8000 meters per second squared, thats pretty fast... not to mention, the Kharak II cannon is about one and a half times as powerful as your "armageddon" cannon.
Edit: and looking at that ship's specs, your ships must be made out of cardboard to fit that many into an 11km long ship... with that much stuff, it shoudl eb at least 20-30km long.

2nd EDIT: and, unlike you two, I actually plan on NOT Godmoding.

I am not godmodding. I have spent time aquiring resources. I spoent time aquiring ways to build the ship. I soent time finiding ways to better man the ship. I am not claiming that I have a weapon that will produce a blast of more then a trillion megatons. I have been doing things for a while to get ready to build this.

Okay BoK, I'm more inclined to belive you aren't godmoding than pengeunia, if not due to your sheer size diferences, then due to your plans for how to build it, plus i like Tiberian Sun

no, Penguenia, you ARE godmoding. and if BoK is making his more powerful, he is too. look at my ship, it has disadvantages, and actually carries a REALISTIC ammount of troops, fighters, etc.

EDIT: BoK, it used gravimetric drives, don't try to pull a "it would rip the ship apart" on me, I know what I was doing when I designed it. It can decelerate as fast as it accelerates, and at those speeds, again thanks to the gravimetric drives, and sheer thickness of the hull, it can maneuver quite well.

ok fine I was just commenting on that.
btw the making the weapon stronger thing was a joke

Okay BoK, I'm more inclined to belive you aren't godmoding than pengeunia, if not due to your sheer size diferences, then due to your plans for how to build it, plus i like Tiberian Sun

Scuse me? I'm taking 1 real life month or more to complete my vessel. The original designs for my technology were funded by some big country, I have the telegram if you so would like to see it. Don't call me a godmodder.

Okay BoK, I'm more inclined to belive you aren't godmoding than pengeunia, if not due to your sheer size diferences, then due to your plans for how to build it, plus i like Tiberian Sun

hooray for tiberium sun. you think cabal would be proud of me

look Penguenia. You are a small nation, even if you are taking one month to complete this, it is a little unrealistic, yu would not be able to cram everything you say you are into a hull that small, its a simple law of running out of space! secondly, yes I would like to see that telegram, and thirdly, I know almost everyone in space godmodes (before klonor or someone comes in here and says it), fourthly, looking at your fleet, how can you hae thousands of ships, the maintenance costs must be horrendous, and therefore I must conclude that your ships are either cardboard, or in bad states of disrepair. (from looking at your fleet on your store page)

they are in ok repair thanks to his ship sales. it is like klonor. he can offord more then his budget allows thanks to the fact that he sells slo much stuff

also, do you think I could buy the plans for the gravitic acceleration engine

Penguenia's Grand Imperial Fleet Contents
- 1 Soverign Class Capital Ship
-- 1,000 Idolator Class Interceptors
-- 250 Sentinel Class Fighters
-- 250 Starscythe Class Fighters
-- 2,000 Mantis Class Dropships
-- 1,000 Falcon Class Dropships
-- 100,000 Penguenian Imperial Guard Aboard
- 2 Executor Class Capital Ship
-- 1,000 Mantis Class Dropships
-- 334 Starscythe Fighters
-- 334 Sentinel Heavy Fighters
-- 532 Idolator Class Interceptors
-- 40,000 Penguenian Imperial Guard Aboard
- 30 Behemoth Class Battlecruisers
-- 6000 Idolator Class Interceptors

-this is your fleet

Penguenia's Grand Imperial Fleet Contents
- 1 Soverign Class Capital Ship
-- 100 Idolator Class Interceptors
-- 50 Sentinel Class Fighters
-- 50 Starscythe Class Fighters
-- 2,00 Mantis Class Dropships
-- 1,00 Falcon Class Dropships
-- 100,000 Penguenian Imperial Guard Aboard
- 2 Executor Class Capital Ship
-- 1,00 Mantis Class Dropships
-- 134 Starscythe Fighters
-- 134 Sentinel Heavy Fighters
-- 332 Idolator Class Interceptors
-- 40,000 Penguenian Imperial Guard Aboard
- 10 Behemoth Class Battlecruisers
-- 600 Idolator Class Interceptors

-this is what it should look like

Now, you can go and not listen to me and I'll stop bothering you, but you are godmoding so badly with that... I just don't know what to say. (And if you go and say its because he gave me mone... no. think maintenance costs! you have to pay to keep them running, pay constantly, he would ahve had to give you quadrillions of dollars to make that feasible, which I'm quite sure he didn't, and you can't rely on your storefront for that, because it isn't always a reliable source of income. well... i supposed you could, but then when your storefront was slumped, your ships would be broken :P

OOC: don't take anything I've said too seriously, I'm just trying to help you and prevent screams of GODMODER from being yelled at you.

Kane... you want my prize technology? no. Howabout my plasma engines that can get almost the same performance, but don't allow for the freedom of maneuverability that the gravitic drives do? for the plasma engines, $1 Trillion, for the gravitic drives, $999 Decillion (not for you or anyone else, until i develop something better)

and thirdly, I know almost everyone in space godmodes (before klonor or someone comes in here and says it)

*Breaks into the thread* I don't GM :D

I have made the money off my original sotrfront which got shut down. All of my ships were bought with profit money and maintenance is paid for with my actual money from my country and extra profit $. As for small space, I disagree. 11km long is massive!! Plus the height of about 4km at its fattest and a width of 7km at its fattest thats alot of space to put junk. Fighters and dropships are small, and can be stored in quite unique ways (lifts, remote chambers, ect.) As you may notice all the weapons systems are relitavly small, except for the Armageddon gun which is powered from the same reactors that power the engines and all other systems (4 for engines, 3 for Armageddon gun, 3 for system power). Notice the bulbs on the bottom of the Sovereign Class. Thats 5 reactors in each of them. With quite a small crew for it's size the rest of its systems are run by the shipboard AI, I have quite alot of space left. Don't start whining that I don't have enough space in an 11km long, 4km high, 7km fat ship. As for the telegram, it seems it was deleted in yesterdays crash (the funny thing is I regained some deleted tgrams and lost some undeleted ones). Klonor can vouch that I have funding from some guy. Now I go to sleep, for it is 6am.

hehe, its 9am here :P I'm up as of 3 hrs ago

right Kurai, i said ALMOST everyone you have like one... 30 meter long ship. I have like... 7 capital ships (not including the Excalibur) and 60 fighters (again not including the 40 the Excalibur will carry)

Oh and if it helps, Klonor said the Colossus could put my ships to shame, so I don't really think thats much of a godmod on my part.

Only 9am? i have been up a lot longer, it 3.08pm here 8)

And it's in that size i will keep it, around 30 meters. When it gets to kilometers it's a big target and costs a lot, small ship not so costly and i can spend more on making weapons and tech smaller yet effective :)

I will pay the 1 trillion for the plams drive technology

*money wired

I still would like Jimathon to help me build better engines though. It would benefit both of us greatly

Confirmed, Drive plans wired.

you think it would work well to activate these drives after I have already recahed incredible speeds making me go even faster at a faster rate

yeah... you could do that, but plasma drives provide massive ammounts of constant acceleration so keeping them on would work too

I know that but what I am saying is that you could start the increase at a high speed. instead of speeding at that rate starting from zero. yoiu could srat it from 1 million

(not actually 1 million)

We would also like to report that we have finally, after many years of testing, got our space fold drives to work. The technolgy was stripped out of a capsule corporation ship and we have been studying it for years

Your ships are pitiful compared to my Defragmentator (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=74747&start=120). :twisted:


Godmoding..? *whistles*

godmodding

Technomages... no. just no.

Okay, let me first say welcome to the new members.

Second, whoever said it took me a month to build the Colossus is smoking something I wish I could get my hands on.

Third, Somebody said that BoK's new ship belongs to the GA. That is only so if it uses a new technology that BoK developed after he joined the GA, or if he uses GA technology. If he used technology in existence from before he joined, or was given to him by some non-GA nation then the ship stays his. If he didn't, then the GA gets the plans.

So, BoK, which is it?

And, and fourth, somebody was saying something about construction times being extended or shortened due to how quickly they are collecting money, and let me say that this doesn't make sense. The Colossus had all its funds gathered before the designs were even finalised and it still took 20 years to build.

Yeah.... the only problem would be running out of money which would stall it. Anyway, my offer still stands for any GA member to use my 200km long spacedocks and ConAvatars to build their ships (I'm not doing it for free, but it'll be cheap, and fast)

So, does BoK's new ship have any new or GA technology?

I have no clue... it has my engines, but i sold the technology to him, so thats not GA, I really don't know about the other parts though.

I would like to remind the GA that the alliance has production rights for the Alliance Fleet for the following:

Aristotle Class Command Exploratory Battlecruiser
Einstein Class Exploratory Destroyer
Bohr Class Science Ship
Edison Class Exploratory Gunship/Corvette
Hercules Class Freigher
Type Alpha Sublight General Purpose Shuttle
Type Beta FTL Shuttle (Nicknamed the super shuttle, can be used as a fighter)
Defense Drones

Please note that this is only the GA fleet as a whole, not individual nations with in GA.

So, you donated the plans for those ships? When did that happen? Oh, well. We thank you for your contribution and shall add them to the list.

Due to the huge ammount of surplus budget, and huge ammount of wasted space in my shipyards, Drayus has decided to begin construction on three more Maelstrom class Juggernauts for the GA.

My surplus is in the double-digit trillions (i have a small fleet, have not bought anything that costs over like $2 million US in over two months (RL time) and have a national budget of 9.4 trillion)

So, Penguenia, how far along is the station?

Have not the Artificial Intelligences of Blademasters gone beyond the vanity of needing *money* for their work? Where does all that money go, if it is not for the wages of the builders? Building ships is quite "cheap" for the Ur-Quan Hierarchy for instance, as no one gets money for their work, and we are self sufficient in many ways. Call it anything you want to, it still has worked for millennia.

The money is for the resources to build them DUH. Our AIs are quite content to work for nothing. Hence why we can build an 11km ship in 5 days for only $10 trillion US. Plus, our human workers require wages.

Its as if you guys have an infinite amount of resources

By "you guys" are you referring to an individual nation, or to the GA as a whole?

I don't... I just have a lot, according to the GDP calculator, i have a 23 trillion GDP, and a 9.4 trillion national budget. I have not spent very much in the last few RL months... but if you're talking about the GA? yeah... it seems that way doesn't it?

Jimathon worked it out (I don't know how) and it seems that the GA has a yearly budget of 30 to 80 trillion

And since we've only bought one thing since we were created, and our built ships cost a lot less than 30 trillion a year, we also have a major money surplus.

What humans call "strip mining" tends to make some beings think that way. Of course the resources in this universe are limited, and thus we are forced to change places where we mine from time to time. If we truly had unlimited resources, we would already have a fleet of thousands of warships. We do not pay for what we mine, and we do not buy resources from others. It should be simple enough to understand for anyone.

I am ready to join the Galactic Aliance.

is anyone on

Do you agree to the constitution?

We donated them when we joined. (all except the Edison, that is, which we designed afterwards, and just officially donated.)


We would also like to put a bill before the Galactic Alliance. It is intended to help people know when an object uses antimatter.

We have used the symbol we are proposing for years on all of our antimatter containing devices. The two sqaures inside represent matter and antimatter, and the orange ring represents what happen when you combine them.

Antimatter Labling Bill

Article I.
All objects containing antimatter must have the following symbol on them within one Earth week of the passing of this bill:

http://www.freewebs.com/fedsciexploration/Antimatter%20Logo2.JPG

Article II. This will be the universal symbol of antimatter within all GA nations.

Article III.
For each object not labeled after one Earth week of the passing of this bill, a fine of $100 per day will be levied until all objects are labled.

Maybe if we fine-tune the picture a bit, it seems rather blockish

...why make this bill? Blademasters disagrees until we can be convinced of its usefulness

As no one has been stupid enough to use antimatter weapons in huge quantities, there are some theories, for instance, how a huge amount of antimatter could cause the whole Universe to turn into a pile of dead, cold iron. That would, of course, mean that even you would cease to exist. The Universe would effectively be turned into a silent and dead one. Antimatter is not something one should play with.

Why the bill? Because antimatter is highly dangerous. Countries have long labled things containing radioactive materials, it is logical that antimatter should be labled.

http://www.freewebs.com/fedsciexploration/Antimatter%20Logo2.JPG

That look better?

Blademasters still disagrees, ad will nott ake part in any antimatter labeling program, nor will pay the fine if fined.

That does look better. I, the Grand Duke Klonor, hereby pledge my support to this bill and give it my vote.


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Founder: Galactic Alliance (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=71260)
Member: The New Jewish Alliance
http://www.bateshome.com/jordan/ksig2.jpg (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=59081)

OOC: Is that a RL theory, or just your country's NS one?

As no one has been stupid enough to use antimatter weapons in huge quantities, there are some theories, for instance, how a huge amount of antimatter could cause the whole Universe to turn into a pile of dead, cold iron. That would, of course, mean that even you would cease to exist. The Universe would effectively be turned into a silent and dead one. Antimatter is not something one should play with.

Blademasters still disagrees, ad will nott ake part in any antimatter labeling program, nor will pay the fine if fined.

If the bill passes you'll have to, or be kicked out of the GA.

I don't see why you're against it. All that it requires is that an extremely dangerous and potential WMD be properly labeled. I see nothing wrong with it.

Yes, just some orange paint, some red paint, and some yellow paint.

OOC: Is that a RL theory, or just your country's NS one?

((OOC: One of the many RL theories. But the basic idea is that something HORRIBLE would happen if a lot of antimatter was to meet a lot of matter. Something that could crush the Universe, or maybe just the local Galaxy, or maybe just the local system. ;-) Who knows what would really happen, other than antimatter does not mix with matter too well.))

2x post

(OOC: required labeling would make it harder to smuggle into other countries, thats the main reason... now for our "official reason")

Bladeamsters opposes this simply because of the sheer quantity of Antimatter it has stored in various places, some of which we cannot remember the locations of all around our little corner of the universe. We also oppose making somethign that is not deadly if used properly by those who know how to. We believe that any who are stupid enough to try to use antimatter inappropriately deserve to be destroyed by its reaction, and labeling it would simply make it easier for those who should not have it to have it

(OOC: I have enough antimatter throughout my "realm" to destroy several solar systems, but most of it is stored in jumpspace to minimize the damage to my worlds, should it detonate, and to prevent theivery)

So then you're also againt labeling radioactive and poisonous substances? Neither are dangerous if properly used. So, therefore, only an idiot would use them dangerously and to cause mass death?

No. an idiot would use them UNINTENTIONALLY and cause mass death, and therefore deserve it. moving right along...

and yes, we are against labeling of any "dangerous" substances, and everything "dangerous" in our nation is unlabeled

OOC:

@ Ur-Quan Kohr-Ah: Fascinating. I suppose by a large amount, you mean more than what would be used in our IC antimatter torpedos (3 KG of each, suspended in a magnetic field inside a canister) and how much would be used in an antimatter reactor?

@ Blademasters: Well, you are already breaking a bunch of laws, so it won't hurt to break another one by not labling the antimatter you are smuggling.

IC: We would be happy to send you advanced sensor technology that would allow you to find these caches of antimatter easily.

And Blademasters, how would one tell the difference between a blue cleaning product and a blue beverage, if they are not labled?

What about people who use them intentionally and cause mass death? People use anti-matter to cause massive explosions. It's only right that such a dangerous substance be labeled properly.

You speak lightly of something as unstable as antimatter. We guess it would not matter to you if you accidentally killed everything and everyone in the known and unknown space, including yourselves. But it does not give you the right to risk the lives of everyone. Including yourselves. And what we find the most mind boggling about this whole matter is that you claim you have actually *stored* antimatter somewhere. How is that even possible? Or are you bluffing?

((OOC: You'd think it's impossible to store antimatter anywhere but in space... And keep them contained in some peculiar way so that it does not hit matter. Now that I started thinking about it, how the hell could you have antimatter missiles without blowing yourself out of the sky?-) Matter + antimatter = violent action))

OOC: yes, by a large ammount (as in the ammount we have stored total) we have well over 30,000 tons of the stuff, we do not use antimatter reactors though, or antimatter weapons, its just there for MAD, and todestroy everything we have along with the attackers should we be overrrun

IC: your offer is grateful, however we are already actively searching for these hidden pockets, and do not require the assistance

EDIT:

Ur: it is possible to store antimatter, it can be controlled with magnetic fields

Klonor: we do not condone the intentional use of WMDs, but do not oppose it either

Regardless of your opinions, you will be forced to pay the fine or label the anti-matter if the bill passes. If you refuse to do both you will be kicked out of the GA.

OOC: Yes, magnetic fields are what we use to control the antimatter. That's what they use for the few small particles of antimatter that they have made in RL.

thats nice. the bill hasn't passed yet anyway. and BTW expelling us from the GA will result in us taking the Maelstrom back, and not donating the other three.

Article 1:
Each member must adhere to Alliance laws and mandates

We'll accept the loss of those ships, since your refusal to do as the bill says (if it passes) will be in direct opposition to the very first Article of the GA Constitution.

I'm not sure what the maelstrom is, but if it is a ship or a ship design, the GA does not need it. Whatever it is, it can't be that important because I have not heard of it.

http://ex-astris-scientia.org/gallery/wost/picard4-t.jpg

Diplomacy Director Jack Picard

OOC:
That's actually Jean-Luc Picard, captain on Star Trek: The Next Generation.

:D

OOC EDIT: I guess it is a ship. I started on that post before Klonor posted that post above. Had to go find a link to a small pic of Jean-Luc Picard in civilian clothes.

fine. if this passes, and only if, Blademasters will adhere to the laws


OOC: you can't get to the antimatter thats in jump space, only the ships we produce can acess jumpspace, and only the ships in our fleet know where in jumpspace it is anyway, the chances of another ship finding it are so marginal, its kinda funny.

OOC: Klonor, where do you get that cool add for your store... I need to direct more traffic to mine. :)

You mean the picture in my signature? I fellow NS member made it for me. I could give you his/her/its nation name. For a price. A very large price. :twisted:


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Founder: Galactic Alliance (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=71260)
Member: The New Jewish Alliance
http://www.bateshome.com/jordan/ksig2.jpg (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=59081)

Let me guess... Raysia/Capsule Corproation (I even copied it and pasted it from the thread you posted it in when Jimathon asked you. I knew you had said it before somewhere, so I went back through your posts.)

Yup, it was Raysia. Did a really good job. Actually, this is the second picture the he made for me.

Heh... bored so I made one for me too


-Drayus
Leader Armed Republic of Blademasters
Founder Firestorm Region
Member Galactic Alliance
http://www.angelfire.com/trek/falconrising2/BSS.bmp (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=69702)

I'd made my own and was using it for a while, but it was crap, so I asked Raysia for one. It really helped boost business.

Is this space nations only?

Yup. You have to be a space nation.

the ship uses ga tech but costs 50 trillion so don't bother building one.

I vote know on the bill for being to much of a nuciance

What is it's name, I have to add it to the list. And the GA has a yearly budget of up to 80 trillion, we could afford it.

And how is it a nuiscance? You do the exact same thing for radioactive material, and poisonous substances, etc.

I haven't decided on a name yet.

I find trying to trying to find all of my antimatter and label it annoying.
But if he changes the symbol we will reconsider

He did change it. Didn't you see the new one?

http://www.freewebs.com/fedsciexploration/Antimatter%20Logo2.JPG

That look better?

no can I get a pic

you really want to build one of my ships. I am flattered :oops:

I didn't say we would build it. I'm just saying that we could build it.

I think that is a bad symbol. couldn't he get something cooler like.... let me find something

I will be back with it

this was real quick so

http://cityofheroes.com/Source/vil_freak_logo.jpg

But what relevance does that have to anti-matter?

nothing but what does the last picture have to do with antimatter.

I just think we need a noticable symbol. not something people will dismiss

Well, the symbols for radiation (The dot, with the three things coming out and/or the three triangles) are not nescesarilly noticeable in themselves. They became noticable because people associated them with important things, i.e. radiation.

I don't get what the three triangles have to do with radiation, however, the newer radiation symbol represents it: rays coming out of a circle; radiation coming out of the object.

Similarly with my antimatter design: Red (Matter) Yellow (Antimatter), when combined they make Orange (A really, really, big explosion.)

but how are other people supposed to notice it or understand it.
it should be something that catches you eye

Why would one even want to use antimatter? We had researched it, but the whole idea of using antimatter as a weapon and/or fuel was dropped well over twenty thousand years ago, because the substance was and is too dangerous and unpredictable. Using it is almost as insane as experimenting with Inter-Dimensional Fatigue.

it is dangerous so you use it as a weapon

Do you not understand the possible, massive damage you could cause to the whole Universe with your actions? Do you really want to end your lives that much? Even the nuclear weapons your species was known of could not cause damage even close to what antimatter can. A huge amount of antimatter would work like a huge bomb tied to your body, it would kill you and everyone around you. Except it is that a thousand fold. Which part of this you cannot understand?

Do you agree with everything in the constitution? (page 1)

I agree.

Do you not understand the possible, massive damage you could cause to the whole Universe with your actions? Do you really want to end your lives that much? Even the nuclear weapons your species was known of could not cause damage even close to what antimatter can. A huge amount of antimatter would work like a huge bomb tied to your body, it would kill you and everyone around you. Except it is that a thousand fold. Which part of this you cannot understand?

we understand but we can't govern others.


you are eceoted into the alliance btw

Ur-Quan Kohr-Ah, this post is sort of OOC in parts, and sort of IC in parts.

My nation is based on the Star Trek franchise in many details, although it is not a direct copy of it. (We use ships I have designed myself, for instance.) In there, antimatter is routinely used as weaponry (Photon Torpedos use antimatter), and as power source (warp core=antimatter reactor.) Now, I know that is not hard science, and in real life, antimatter may have disastrous effects on the fabric of the universe. I don't know.

Anyway, IC, my nation has already built and used ships that run on antimatter reactors, has test-fired weapons based on antimatter, and uses antimatter as its primary power source.

In RL, antimatter is already used to some degree (Positrons are used in some medical device, what one or how I don't know.)

So small amounts do not appear to have any negetive effect on the fabric of the universe, and it is doubtful (based on the fact that positrons are routinely used in these devices, and antimatter is routinely used for particle physics experiments) anything less than a couple hundred metric tonnes of antimatter reacting with a couple hundred metric tonnes of matter would have any effect on the fabric of the universe.

So small amounts do not appear to have any negetive effect on the fabric of the universe, and it is doubtful -- anything less than a couple hundred metric tonnes of antimatter reacting with a couple hundred metric tonnes of matter would have any effect on the fabric of the universe.

((OOC: Yeah, small bits of it don't do much, but these people claim to have THOUSANDS OF TONNES of the stuff. That would, uh, most likely, cause some damage. That's what I was talking about. And I'm saying that the Ur-Quan dropped the antimatter idea because of its possible negative effects on the delicate fabric of space. Even if they are warlike, they are not mad. Antimatter just isn't the best thing you'd want to use when you want to do limited, local damage.))

(OOC: I only have it to blow myself up if I get invaded by a superior force (so they lose their fleet, and don't get my stuff) duh, I've said this twice now)

-Drayus
Leader Armed Republic of Blademasters
Founder Firestorm Region
Member Galactic Alliance
http://www.angelfire.com/trek/falconrising2/BSS.bmp (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=69702)

Good 2:13pm morning. Sup?


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IC: Our computers say this about our antimatter:

http://www.starfleetcom.net/wavs/007.wav

Actually, to wear down shields, it would be excellent as a local damage weapon, and that is primarily what we use it for. Our beam weapons have very little effect against shields, but can render inoperative all ship systems beyond field repair capability at the impact site, with it being temporairily inoperative radiating out, or disentigrate matter in the direct impact area, based on the exact setup. Now, we are concerned about thousands of tons, but we only have very low amounts aboard our ships. Of course, we are not willing to disclose the exact amount. And Blademasters, space is not empty. Trillions of small particles of matter float around in space all the time. It is surprising that your antimatter has not hit one of these particles yet.

OOC: As in, we have no idea, but we're not stupid, so it's not a lot.

The Anti-Terror Army, welcome to the GA!

BoK, are you merely abstaining from voting, or are you voting against?

And you still need to post the ships name and the specs in the GA ship thread.

Still waiting


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Founder: Galactic Alliance (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=71260)
Member: The New Jewish Alliance
http://hometown.aol.com/jbk405/images/ksig2.jpeg (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=59081)

As per Article 6 all members are required to allow free passage to their systems. However, not all systems are connected through Sub-Space by Jump-Nodes. This means that my primary FTL means of travel isn't available. I do have independant FTL, but it's 60 times slower.

I'd like permission from each nation to build a Knossos Sub-Space portal in their star systems, which will create an artificial Jump-Node, allowing me to use my primary means of FTL travel.

Each person does have the right to refuse, but it'd be a major help (to you and to me) to allow me to build them.

Hello? Anybody still reading this thread?

http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1731709#1731709

LoA, why would we need jumpgates when most of our ships can jump straight into supbspace?

I saw that thread. It has no relevance. Yes or no?

you people need to get lives.

Well, duh!

Klonor, before we put this to a referendum of our people (as we do with all important issues), we would be interested in knowing if it is possible for a potentially hostile power to use these things you speak of.

Conrado is right.

All it does is create what occurs naturally in thousands of systems. Jump-Nodes exist in all my systems, and in dozens of systems controlled by other GA members. There's even a Jump-Node in Sol. If I put a Knossos portal in your system (if you need it, you might already have a naturally occuring one) you will be open to attack, but no more likely (probably even less) than Sol, Deneb, Tau-Ceti, Epsilon Eridani, Alpha Centauri, or any of dozens of other systems. And I don't think any other NS nations use Sub-Space besides me, so there is actually no increase of threat from the installation of a Knossos.

Still waiting for other systems to give me a go-ahead.

For?

As per Article 6 all members are required to allow free passage to their systems. However, not all systems are connected through Sub-Space by Jump-Nodes. This means that my primary FTL means of travel isn't available. I do have independant FTL, but it's 60 times slower.

I'd like permission from each nation to build a Knossos Sub-Space portal in their star systems, which will create an artificial Jump-Node, allowing me to use my primary means of FTL travel.

Each person does have the right to refuse, but it'd be a major help (to you and to me) to allow me to build them.

Hey everybody, guess who just kicked Arbra's a**?

If Alpha Centauri has one, then we already have one. We control a single planet and its moons in the Alpha Centauri A system.

Sure, I agree, though my craft don't need these "jump nodes" you speak of. Instead we have warp drive capibilities that let usgo really fast on a plotted course.

You live in Alpha Centauri? Excellent, then I don't need to build a Knossos in your system (that's good for me, those things are huge)

Penguania, what system do you live in?

Sol

Then you don't need one either. There's already a Jump-Node in Sol.

This map has all the Jump-Nodes in current existence on it.

http://hometown.aol.com/jbk405/images/even%20bigger%20klonor%20map.jpg

If your system is not on the map please let me know if I can make a Knossos in your system.

Deca System - 4 habitable planets -

I need harbringer cannons for there!

So I can build a Knossos portal there?

And good luck building all of those cannons. It's gonna be really hard to design and build them without even the Harbinger plans.

I need to buy them :wink:
lol
maybe

Yeah, I doubt you can afford the 20 trillion needed to buy them. Considering your current "blown up" situation.

Whens our station going to be done?

In case you missed the many posts, I've been asking you that for days. You're the station designer, you decide how it's going.

its been 10 years ago :wink:

Ok it's about 1/4 done now. Completion Scheduled by Halloween.

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So, can I build a Knossos in your system or not?

what us to rebuild araba

And I already said it, but nobody else said anything.

yes if u give us a free cannn