NationStates Jolt Archive

Firstly, do not call the UK a shit hole.

Or else you'll do what?

So we hang onto the skilled ones a little longer until British people can take their place.


You do also realise with this potetial scenario you'll be breaking up families and such.

Also imposing a rule of if you're not British then you can't work here will mean in little more than a few generations, Britain would most likely be the weakest of the current Western nations.

No it's not. Skin colour is not irrelevant AND IT NEVER HAS BEEN.
You're either a very good troll or incredibly stupid.

No it's called being a lefty.

Actually, these are things that psychology says all humans should have. Without it, you tend to be classified as a sociopth.

Firstly, do not call the UK a shit hole. Secondly, immigrants are free to leave any time they like.

So youd just have a brain drain in your shit hole of a WASP 'utopia' for a while.

Again, it's not about race, it's about being British and British people getting a better deal.

Even if the immigrants work harder then they did to get to where they are?

No it's not. Skin colour is not irrelevant AND IT NEVER HAS BEEN.
Excellent! I've been studying nineteenth century scientific racism for my American Civil War assignment. With your jutification you're about to give, I'm hoping to make a small comparison.

Prove it.
Segregation? The apartied?
Given that we've spent all thread arguing that `race' is completely irrelevant, a tiny distinction between people fundamentally the same, you're going to need to do a hell of a lot better than that.
They may be the same geneticly, but there is a great deal of difference between races.
I assume you mean 'bollocks'?

But - bollocks to what? You're claiming that's not my view? Wouldn't I know?
No I mean your view is bollocks.

Excellent! I've been studying nineteenth century scientific racism for my American Civil War assignment. With your jutification you're about to give, I'm hoping to make a small comparison.

And here lies the flaw in your plans:p

Firstly, do not call the UK a shit hole. Secondly, immigrants are free to leave any time they like.

I am calling the nation you would turn the UK into if you were in charge a "shithole". As it is exists currently, not a shithole. Sorry for the confusion.


Again, it's not about race, it's about being British and British people getting a better deal.

You avoid answering my question. In your shithole UK, why would any immigrant even bother staying and working, if they know for certain that they'll just get kicked out once they've trained their replacement.

Your poorly thought out idea would lead the UK to ruin, as all foreign workers, including, most notably, the highly-skilled, highly-educated, highly-productive ones, would flee the country immediately, leaving the UK without anyone to replace those workers. You'd see a collapse of numerous industries as workers fled en masse. Your plan would lead to the economic ruin of the UK.

Did any of the above effect you? Has our government ever murdered any one you know? I doubt it. All that they have done to you is look after you, so what are you complaining about?

Empathy. Government has, over the ages, done incredible damage to humanity. From the murder of Archimedes to the exile of Zamyatin, through wars and genocides, invasions and massacres, prison camps, gulags, and the whole rotten apparatus of the state, the evils committed by government are incalculable.

Given that we've spent all thread arguing that `race' is completely irrelevant, a tiny distinction between people fundamentally the same, you're going to need to do a hell of a lot better than that.

Just to expand on this, exactly the same logic applies here as to my comments on nations earlier. The only plausible definition of `race' is genetic, and as genetic variation within a racial group is far greater than typical genetic variation between them, its superficiality should be well demonstrated.

No it's not. Skin colour is not irrelevant AND IT NEVER HAS BEEN.

Apparently, it isn't irrelevant...



..to you.

Personally, pigment has just never been that important to me. I've known 'white' people that were assholes, and I've known 'black' people that were assholes. I've known Christians that were assholes, and I've known Muslims that were assholes. I've known men that were assholes, and I've known women that were assholes.

What I've learned, in my vast experience of the world - is that a lot of people are assholes, and the colour of the skin, or the tools in the toolbox, or the god they kneel to... all are pretty much irrelevant.

Segregation? The apartied?


That doesnt prove skin color is really relevent to a person's being. It just proves that there are racist twats out there who think it is.

Segregation? The apartied?

That's not race, skin color or nationality being relevant, that's idiotic morons being under the stupid psychotic delusion that any of them are.

No it's called being a lefty.

I am not a 'lefty' in any sense of the word. It doesn't stop me from caring about what happens to people around the world as opposed to my immediate surroundings. Just because you're too hateful to care about other people doesn't mean that you get to lump people who do into one ideology.

Segregation? The apartied?
Right. So it matters if you're stuuuuupid, then.

They may be the same geneticly, but there is a great deal of difference between races.

This'll be good. Like what?

They may be the same geneticly, but there is a great deal of difference between races.


What conceivable difference, apart from genetics, could there be? If you insist on there being some essential `white spirit' or something, the same objections I raised to nations - which you have not opposed or argued against - apply tenfold.

Firstly, do not call the UK a shit hole. Secondly, immigrants are free to leave any time they like.


The UK as you portray it? Would be a shithole.

You claim to be British, and yet you appear to have missed the core of what that means - we're a mongrel people. We're the bastards of the world.

And that's a strength, not a weakness.

Your recycled BNP manifesto sets it's sights on an imaginary British-ness which has nothing to do with what has ever made the nation great, and aims to recreate that picture by removing all the positive values.


Again, it's not about race, it's about being British and British people getting a better deal.

So - what 'race' are British people?

Jesus Christ, people like responding to this fella.

Or else you'll do what?

Invade you.

Look out! He's got a flag!

Jesus Christ, people like responding to this fella.

You know it's bad when your right-wing posts are being trashed by Yootopia and TBC.

Again, it's not about race, it's about being British and British people getting a better deal.

British, Brazilian, American, Zimbabwean... They are all words that mean one thing and the same: Jack-shit.

No I mean your view is bollocks.

I said that was my view. In my view, there is one race, and it is human.

Unless you can give me some kind of empirical justification for why that is not so, my 'view' is unlikely to change.

So - I'll be waiting on that empirical justification, now, yes?

Invade you.

Look out! He's got a flag!

He's got a fag? Will they dec... Wait.

Oh, FLAG.

Wonder where will he put it.

You do also realise with this potetial scenario you'll be breaking up families and such.
So?
You're either a very good troll or incredibly stupid.
A bit of both.
This'll be good. Like what?
Black people have an entirely different culture to us and seemingly speak an entirely different language.


You claim to be British, and yet you appear to have missed the core of what that means - we're a mongrel people. We're the bastards of the world.
You may be a bastard mongrol, but I am not- I'm a pedigree



So - what 'race' are British people?
Well put it this way, when we were the most powerful country in the world- we were all white.
Jesus Christ, people like responding to this fella.
They either love me or hate me. My guess is the latter.

You know it's bad when your right-wing posts are being trashed by Yootopia and TBC.
I'm not all that right-wing, I'm just not a fan of communism.

A bit of both.

Can someone report a person who flames THEMSELVES? :confused:

[QUOTE=Knights of Liberty;14629927]What about immagrints whohave gone to uni and work as things like Doctors, or those who work in a skilled labor job? You assume the unemployed Brits are able to take those jobs.

in this sort of field the more qulified person should be givin the job of a docter, i think what ring of isengaurd is trying to get across is the idea of the bnp's views that in employment british citazens should have the priority surely not however in thie case that the person not be qualified for the job. but surely a person who is under qualified for a job would not apply for this job whether they be english or not.

i think that jobs should not be stripped from immagrants but mearly any future jobs should be prioritised so that british people should come first in britain. obviously british people who are clearly under qualified should not be given the job, the priorty to the british person should only be given if they are qualified to do the job. the government would not give the job to a person who is underqualified regardless of their ethnicity.

please exscuse the fact that i have not read previous posts and may repeat what people say.

British, Brazilian, American, Zimbabwean... They are all words that mean one thing and the same: Jack-shit.

Not strictly true.

You can get 'a British', 'an American' and 'a Zimbabwean' without suffering bumpy hair regrowth...

Black people have an entirely different culture to us and seemingly speak an entirely different language.

Eastern Europe has an different culture and a radically different language then the UK. France has a different culture and seemingly speaks an entirely different language from both the US and Germany.

What terrible logic you have.

Well put it this way, when we were the most powerful country in the world- we were all white.

My my my how little you know of history.

So?Black people have an entirely different culture to us and seemingly speak an entirely different language.

In contrast to the Scottish, Welsh and Northern Irish? Christ, even the North of England has a different culture and language trends than you Southerners.

Well put it this way, when we were the most powerful country in the world- we were all white.

So was Mongolia at one time. All Asians.

Your point?

Well put it this way, when we were the most powerful country in the world- we were all white.
We were the most powerful country in the world off the back of non-whites. Not to mention that the mixing of races has happened in the UK for a long time.

So?

A bit of both.

Black people have an entirely different culture to us and seemingly speak an entirely different language.

Well put it this way, when we were the most powerful country in the world- we were all white.

They either love me or hate me. My guess is the latter.

No when Britain was the most powerful country, India was the biggest supplier of power. It's strange that India was called the jewel of the British Empire and not Britain...

And so you're not against ripping families apart. How selfish of you.

Not strictly true.

You can get 'a British', 'an American' and 'a Zimbabwean' without suffering bumpy hair regrowth...

>.>

<.<

Yeah? Well, why don't you go to *Gets shot*.

A bit of both.


RUH ROH, a confession?


They either love me or hate me. My guess is the latter.

I heard they are in love with you.

So was Mongolia at one time. All Asians.


And the US is the most powerful now and we havent ever been all white.

Clearly 'whiteness' =/= power

Well put it this way, when we were the most powerful country in the world- we were all white.


If, by 'white', you mean derived mainly from European, Mediterranean, and Middle Eastern genepools, AND

by 'all', you mean 'a large proportion', AND

if you choose to ignore the fact that the population of England has repeatedly absorbed or included other populations, consistently, for several thousand years, AND

you ignore the fact that, to a greater or lesser extent, the population of England has bumped like bunnies with anyone that would stay still long enough...

then, sure.


Of course - if you tried to actually make THAT argument, I'd advise you to go read a history book.

Of course - if you tried to actually make THAT argument, I'd advise you to go read a history book.

I think hed be well served doing that regardless.

I said that was my view. In my view, there is one race, and it is human.

Unless you can give me some kind of empirical justification for why that is not so, my 'view' is unlikely to change.

So - I'll be waiting on that empirical justification, now, yes?

race is related to your country and ethnicity.

it is not possible to be a race of a particular species the idea of a race is to sperate furthe the human culture.

race is like that of a sub-species of an animal their to sperate further. by claiming your race as human is thereby ruining the point of race and by saying this you are saying the equivilent of saying all dogs are the same and a german shepard is the same as a bulldog. it is race that keeps us separate and is necessary in the human world as it is in the animal world. what your saying is clearly very communist and i'm sure you have seen from evry communist state that it does not work.

In contrast to the Scottish, Welsh and Northern Irish? Christ, even the North of England has a different culture and language trends than you Southerners.

Apparently, I have a very different culture to 'Ring of Isengard', too... and I am one of those white Brits.

Which, logically, means that Ring of Isengard... is a fake!

And the US is the most powerful now and we havent ever been all white.

Clearly 'whiteness' =/= power

China, all Asians, is raising in power.

Portugal, a mix of white and moorish, was VERY powerful too.

Man, I should be working, but I can't help but poke holes in his points.

race is related to your country and ethnicity.

it is not possible to be a race of a particular species the idea of a race is to sperate furthe the human culture.

race is like that of a sub-species of an animal their to sperate further. by claiming your race as human is thereby ruining the point of race and by saying this you are saying the equivilent of saying all dogs are the same and a german shepard is the same as a bulldog. it is race that keeps us separate and is necessary in the human world as it is in the animal world. what your saying is clearly very communist and i'm sure you have seen from evry communist state that it does not work.
*sigh* Sort of tired of this topic now.

Snip.

http://fix.etsy.com/images/srPuppet.jpg

I think hed be well served doing that regardless.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_migration#Eurasian

We'll let him start at Wikipedia. He can journey on from there.

to a greater or lesser extent, the population of England has bumped like bunnies with anyone that would stay still long enough...

Do you still do that? I wonder if I could get an actual English Cammy cosplayer with that drive.

I'm not all that right-wing, I'm just not a fan of communism.

For some reason, you've always fit into my mental map of UK NSGers as one of the right-wingers, a slightly milder version of TBC. It's not particularly fair, I must admit, but it does mean you spring to mind as an example when needed.

So - what 'race' are British people?

'british people' are the people who's ancestry originates in england pre 1200. although i'm sure people who have been here for at least maybe 100 years qualify for being part of the 'british people' this therefore excludes all modern immagrants.

race is related to your country and ethnicity.

it is not possible to be a race of a particular species the idea of a race is to sperate furthe the human culture.

race is like that of a sub-species of an animal their to sperate further. by claiming your race as human is thereby ruining the point of race and by saying this you are saying the equivilent of saying all dogs are the same and a german shepard is the same as a bulldog. it is race that keeps us separate and is necessary in the human world as it is in the animal world. what your saying is clearly very communist and i'm sure you have seen from evry communist state that it does not work.

Comparing human `races' to breeds of dog is nonsensical. The biggest differences in humanity are a few inches of average height, a few shades of general skin colour, and some traits about hair and facial shape. Generally. With many exceptions.

The biggest differences between dog breeds are orders of magnitude of size difference, appearance, hair, etc. Pretty consistently.

The irrelevant drivel about communism would be best ignored, I think.

race is related to your country and ethnicity.


Oh really? Ethnicity AND country?

So - if you move to a different continent, you become a different race?


it is not possible to be a race of a particular species the idea of a race is to sperate furthe the human culture.

race is like that of a sub-species of an animal their to sperate further.


Given that the genetic difference between extremes WITHIN one 'race' is greater than the divergence BETWEEN any two different 'races', this 'separation' is not only pointless, but deceptive and wrong.


by claiming your race as human is thereby ruining the point of race and by saying this you are saying the equivilent of saying all dogs are the same and a german shepard is the same as a bulldog.


Show me a divergence similar in scale to the brachycephalic condition, and maybe you'd have a point.


it is race that keeps us separate


Usually, it's large amounts of water. Or guns.

Historically speaking, at least.


and is necessary in the human world as it is in the animal world.


In what way? Sheep and goats try to crossbreed, and they're far more genetically disimilar than, say, me and Salma Hayek. And I can't think of any good reasons for me to not try to crossbreed with Salma Hayek.

So - I guess you're saying... it's NOT necessary in the human OR animal worlds?


what your saying is clearly very communist


Multi-ethnic society is 'communist'?

Do you think 'reading books' is 'communist', too?


and i'm sure you have seen from evry communist state that it does not work.

No state, ever, has 'worked'.

Do you still do that? I wonder if I could get an actual English Cammy cosplayer with that drive.

It's pretty much the English way, actually.

We all act very sweet, if you meet us on the street. But we're all whores once we're behind closed doors.

It's pretty much the English way, actually.

We all act very sweet, if you meet us on the street. But we're all whores once we're behind closed doors.

Wait, you're FEMALE?

*Stays still long enough*

'british people' are the people who's ancestry originates in england pre 1200. although i'm sure people who have been here for at least maybe 100 years qualify for being part of the 'british people' this therefore excludes all modern immagrants.

Except that, for example, our 'black' population pre-dates your artificial cut-off, as does our cross-polination with Indians (of both 'kinds') and those from the Far East.

Our Middle Eastern ancestry is measured in millenia, not centuries... our Mediterranean ancestry, the same. Our European ancestry might be one of our more recent acquisitions, in historic terms.

So - who would NOT count as 'british people' if we assume your 100 years figure?

Basques, maybe?

And... robots. Yeah.

'british people' are the people who's ancestry originates in england pre 1200. although i'm sure people who have been here for at least maybe 100 years qualify for being part of the 'british people' this therefore excludes all modern immagrants.

I never thought I'd say this, but congratulations ... you're even more insane than the BNP.

Wait, you're FEMALE?


Oh, come on, don't get all fundamentalist on me...


*Stays still long enough*

That and dinner, cheapskate.

:D

Oh, come on, don't get all fundamentalist on me...



That and dinner, cheapskate.

:D

*Feeds an Englishwoman, THEN stays still long enough.* :p

Wait, you're FEMALE?

*Stays still long enough*

Im pretty sure GnI is male.

Im pretty sure GnI is male.

I am about one more year without sex from not caring. :p

Im pretty sure GnI is male.

Dude! I was that close....

Dude! I was that close....
Play your cards right and you still are...
I am about one more year without sex from not caring. :p
;)

'british people' are the people who's ancestry originates in england pre 1200. although i'm sure people who have been here for at least maybe 100 years qualify for being part of the 'british people' this therefore excludes all modern immagrants.

Interesting, as it would be damn near impossible to find anyone(Royalty excluded) who can diffinitively prove their ancestry back that far. And interesting about the "1200" bit. Why such an arbitrary number? Seems kind of a pointless way to go about it. How would you define "Italian" people? Or, wait, what about "Germans"? Curious how absurd your comment is.

Well you see, there's whites, blacks, asians, hispanics, ect.
Is that enough for you?
No, because:
That doesnt really prove any sort of reason for nationalism.

No it's not. Skin colour is not irrelevant AND IT NEVER HAS BEEN.
To racists.

Segregation? The apartied?
Are relevant to what?

They may be the same geneticly, but there is a great deal of difference between races.
Oh, really? Can't wait to see your explanation of this one.

Black people have an entirely different culture to us and seemingly speak an entirely different language.
Ah, here it is! *falls about laughing* Now I'm waiting for you to explain which "black people" you're talking about, who "us" are, exactly what the culture of "black people" is, what the culture of "us" is, and how they are different.

Then you can apply your little truisms to other people to show how well your bullshit holds up. Explain the skin-color-based cultural differences between "black people" and "us" in the United States, for starters. I'll make popcorn.

You may be a bastard mongrol, but I am not- I'm a pedigree
Are you showing off your troll part or your stupid part with this crack?

Well put it this way, when we were the most powerful country in the world- we were all white.
When was that?

Also, this:
And the US is the most powerful now and we havent ever been all white.

Clearly 'whiteness' =/= power

race is related to your country and ethnicity.
Oh, really? So, what race is "American" then?

it is not possible to be a race of a particular species the idea of a race is to sperate furthe the human culture.

race is like that of a sub-species of an animal their to sperate further. by claiming your race as human is thereby ruining the point of race and by saying this you are saying the equivilent of saying all dogs are the same and a german shepard is the same as a bulldog. it is race that keeps us separate and is necessary in the human world as it is in the animal world. what your saying is clearly very communist and i'm sure you have seen from evry communist state that it does not work.
Bullshit.

A) Humans are not selectively bred.

B) If race = breed, and racial differences are necessary in the same way that breed differences are, explain the necessity of a miniature poodle.

If you can do that, then I'll bet you can also explain the necessity for these supposed racial differences you claim exist.

C) While you're at it, then, why don't you explain some of these supposed racial differences for us, too? I could use a laugh.

D) I was not aware that communism was a dog breeding association. How the fuck did the poor communists get dragged into your BS pile?

Interesting, as it would be damn near impossible to find anyone(Royalty excluded) who can diffinitively prove their ancestry back that far. And interesting about the "1200" bit. Why such an arbitrary number? Seems kind of a pointless way to go about it. How would you define "Italian" people? Or, wait, what about "Germans"? Curious how absurd your comment is.

I think the 1200 reference is supposed to be something to do with the Norman Conquest (which makes me wonder if the poster actually knows who the Normans were).

Ah, here it is! *falls about laughing* Now I'm waiting for you to explain which "black people" you're talking about, who "us" are, exactly what the culture of "black people" is, what the culture of "us" is, and how they are different.

Then you can apply your little truisms to other people to show how well your bullshit holds up. Explain the skin-color-based cultural differences between "black people" and "us" in the United States, for starters. I'll make popcorn.



It really is quite funny. Most people would say that Australian Aboriginals are "black", however they are not related to what most people normally associate with being black(Of African decent). They are infact more closely related, both genetically and linguistically, to polynesians than Africans. Although the black people of the Caribean are of African decent, there are a myriad of cultures that, although influenced by are not the same as African cultures. Hell, even in Africa, in tribal periods also, there were myriads of different cultures, each completely different than the next. In the US today, there is an "urban" culture that blacks are often associated with, however this differs from region to region, as is not synonymous, nor is it all encompassing.

To get an idea, take the Yanamamo, a tribe of people in Venezuela. They view the world as two different races, more or less, Yanamamo or not. Or, more strictly, "of the village" and "of the jungle". They viewed white settlers and missionaries(Hell, anyone who wasn't Yanamamo for that matters) as being uncivilized and all of one race, due to them not living in a proper Yanamamo village.

Some cultures view people with blonde hair or blue eyes as a different race than those with brunette hair or brown eyes, regardless of skin color.

Hell, if you stand me up side by side with my dad, you would probably think we are completely different races(He's extremely dark, I'm very pale). So, yeah, "race", as most people view it, is entirely culturally defined with very little, if any, actual biological backing.

I think the 1200 reference is supposed to be something to do with the Norman Conquest (which makes me wonder if the poster actually knows who the Normans were).

So you're saying that he's saying that to be British, you have to be French...

Intriguing.

No, because:



To racists.


Are relevant to what?


Oh, really? Can't wait to see your explanation of this one.


Ah, here it is! *falls about laughing* Now I'm waiting for you to explain which "black people" you're talking about, who "us" are, exactly what the culture of "black people" is, what the culture of "us" is, and how they are different.

Then you can apply your little truisms to other people to show how well your bullshit holds up. Explain the skin-color-based cultural differences between "black people" and "us" in the United States, for starters. I'll make popcorn.


Are you showing off your troll part or your stupid part with this crack?


When was that?

Also, this:



Oh, really? So, what race is "American" then?


Bullshit.

A) Humans are not selectively bred.

B) If race = breed, and racial differences are necessary in the same way that breed differences are, explain the necessity of a miniature poodle.

If you can do that, then I'll bet you can also explain the necessity for these supposed racial differences you claim exist.

C) While you're at it, then, why don't you explain some of these supposed racial differences for us, too? I could use a laugh.

D) I was not aware that communism was a dog breeding association. How the fuck did the poor communists get dragged into your BS pile?


I get a little turned on when Mur uses me in her beat downs:p

Yes, that should sound dirty:D

I'm a pedigree

That's funny, because this term applies only to cats, dogs, horses and livestock.

Which makes me think you're VERY smart for your species.

So you're saying that he's saying that to be British, you have to be French...

Intriguing.

To be British, you really have to be French Vikings.

Which means you really have to be migratory Germans... and let's not even look at the geneology of that Viking population.

I think the 1200 reference is supposed to be something to do with the Norman Conquest (which makes me wonder if the poster actually knows who the Normans were).

Don't think so the Normans came through 200 years before. He should be going back a lot further before the Roman invasions. But even those people moved into the British Isles depending on what history you use they come from different areas. Some of them even mention that there were inhabitants there previously. Anyway when talking about British people you not only would be talking about people living in the Isles but also the culture of these people.

Don't think so the Normans came through 200 years before. He should be going back a lot further before the Roman invasions. But even those people moved into the British Isles depending on what history you use they come from different areas. Some of them even mention that there were inhabitants there previously. Anyway when talking about British people you not only would be talking about people living in the Isles but also the culture of these people.

I was being charitable. You could argue that the Norman infiltration wasn't all immediate, and the effect continued for a while with migrations back and forth.

Otherwise, the 1200 number is just nonsensical.

I was being charitable. You could argue that the Norman infiltration wasn't all immediate, and the effect continued for a while with migrations back and forth.

Otherwise, the 1200 number is just nonsensical.

Yeah for sure, John Lackland was king at that point maybe he meant only true British are those who were there before the Magna Carta was signed. :)

Yeah for sure, John Lackland was king at that point maybe he meant only true British are those who were there before the Magna Carta was signed. :)

Works for me. Race defined by writ makes as much sense as any other (conventional) mechanism.

Yes, but Magna Carta was signed in England, by an English king. Meanwhile, up in Scotland and over in Wales, were the people '"proto-British"? Was Ireland Ireland, or was Northern Ireland "proto-British" too?

Actually, are the Scots and Welsh actually Scots and Welsh? I thought even the Picts were preceded by a small, dark folk -- whose culture hasn't survived. So "British" culture is, like, post-Magna Carta, not starting till the Act of Union.

If then. *snorts snobbishly*

Yes, but Magna Carta was signed in England, by an English king. Meanwhile, up in Scotland and over in Wales, were the people '"proto-British"? Was Ireland Ireland, or was Northern Ireland "proto-British" too?

Actually, are the Scots and Welsh actually Scots and Welsh? I thought even the Picts were preceded by a small, dark folk -- whose culture hasn't survived. So "British" culture is, like, post-Magna Carta, not starting till the Act of Union.

If then. *snorts snobbishly*

Scots and the Welsh are not a race, they are onomatopoeia related to oral sex accidents.

Ardchoille, your race is your nation. In the war of the future, your skin is your uniform.

You're just mad because you people will have to ride into battle on flightless rubber eating birds, like some kind of really jacked up version of "Joust" or something.

I was being charitable. You could argue that the Norman infiltration wasn't all immediate, and the effect continued for a while with migrations back and forth.

Otherwise, the 1200 number is just nonsensical.
By "nonsensical," I assume you mean as arbitrary everything else in every argument posited by every racist, even the ones who deny they are racist.

Wait, you're FEMALE?

*Stays still long enough*

I've figured everything out with this post.

See, our friend is right. Immigrants can never and will never be British. But the reason is deeply ingrained into our genetic code.

See, GnI has asserted that British people are "whores behind doors", which lead to the confusion as that implies that GnI is female when in fact, GnI is male.

Upon puzzling this, I was instantly drawn to my recent vacation to Maui, where I perused the local aquarium. As it was the month of February they were showcasing interesting little sexual tidbits about fish mating. I recall reading about a type of fish--a kind of "harem fish" if you will--where each male had many females. If and when a male died, the most dominant female would actually make a complete transition in gender and become male. I realized that this solved both problems at once. This is why immigrants cannot be British and why GnI is a female whore.

Because behind closed doors, all British people become women. Thusly, anyone who haveth not this genetic capability simply cannot be British.

I've figured everything out with this post.

See, our friend is right. Immigrants can never and will never be British. But the reason is deeply ingrained into our genetic code.

See, GnI has asserted that British people are "whores behind doors", which lead to the confusion as that implies that GnI is female when in fact, GnI is male.

Upon puzzling this, I was instantly drawn to my recent vacation to Maui, where I perused the local aquarium. As it was the month of February they were showcasing interesting little sexual tidbits about fish mating. I recall reading about a type of fish--a kind of "harem fish" if you will--where each male had many females. If and when a male died, the most dominant female would actually make a complete transition in gender and become male. I realized that this solved both problems at once. This is why immigrants cannot be British and why GnI is a female whore.

Because behind closed doors, all British people become women. Thusly, anyone who haveth not this genetic capability simply cannot be British.
Do they have to do it under water, too?

Do they have to do it under water, too?

Maybe. Could be that British people evolved from fish and not from chimps.

You're just mad because you people will have to ride into battle on flightless rubber eating birds, like some kind of really jacked up version of "Joust" or something.

Plainly, you have met emus. Plainly, you have not met any angry emus. If you had, you would realise their offensive and defensive capabilities, tactical genius and strategic insight ... in the war of the future, they may call us the Emu Empire!

But most likely, they'll call us "think they're better'n us just because they've got Emus, they've got no right to go round acting like the World Police, it's not as if they're perfect, oh no, what about what they did in ... mutter... and their human rights record, omigod, and the way they talk ..."

You're just mad because you people will have to ride into battle on flightless rubber eating birds, like some kind of really jacked up version of "Joust" or something.

I agree with Ard you are yet to come across a flock of angry emu's but say hello to our other flightless birds the Cassowary.

They will rip you you to shreads. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cassowary

Plainly, you have not met any angry emus.

Do tell.

Wait a second...

CHOCOBOS!!!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chocobo :D

I agree with Ard you are yet to come across a flock of angry emu's but say hello to our other flightless birds the Cassowary.

They will rip you you to shreads. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cassowary

According to this link, they can kill dogs and small children?

I am ashamed to be impressed by that, but I am.

According to this link, they can kill dogs and small children?

I am ashamed to be impressed by that, but I am.

Yeah, but I would be willing to beat if it got its claws into your guts you could die as well.

Maybe. Could be that British people evolved from fish and not from chimps.

Could be!

Most human scholars believe that Merfolk are the survivors of sunken Atlantis, humans adapted to the water. Merfolk, however, believe that humans sprang forth from Merfolk who adapted themselves in order to explore their last frontier. -Merfolk of the Pearl Trident

Yeah, but I would be willing to beat if it got its claws into your guts you could die as well.

They look fast, too, so they might make good little recon birds.

I miss Joust. Somebody should make a cool computer game based on Joust.

And girls with big boobs, like in Heavy Metal.

They will rip you you to shreads. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cassowary


Cassowaries are meaner, but The Cassowary Collective doesn't have the same zing.

When we do reach this apotheosis, however, it will not be merely because we have cornered the market in angry avians, but because we're a nation of immigrants! Possessed of hyrbrid vigour!

*hi-fives topic*

Cassowaries are meaner, but The Cassowary Collective doesn't have the same zing.

When we do reach this apotheosis, however, it will not be merely because we have cornered the market in angry avians, but because we're a nation of immigrants! Possessed of hyrbrid vigour!

*hi-fives topic*

One of my new roommates in the US is a dude from Australia, an engineer. He's going home once he puts together some money. I'm bummed, he's a cool dude. He says he knows a lot of other knowledge workers from down there that are bailing on the US right now. I don't know if it really is a large trend yet.

I wonder if our New Zealanders are also going home...

'british people' are the people who's ancestry originates in england pre 1200. although i'm sure people who have been here for at least maybe 100 years qualify for being part of the 'british people' this therefore excludes all modern immagrants.
Do you mean, people's who's ancestry originates in Britain?
Comparing human `races' to breeds of dog is nonsensical. The biggest differences in humanity are a few inches of average height, a few shades of general skin colour, and some traits about hair and facial shape. Generally. With many exceptions.

The biggest differences between dog breeds are orders of magnitude of size difference, appearance, hair, etc. Pretty consistently.

I don't think he meant it literally. It was a comparison. You never know, a German shepherd might not consider a bull dog a dog at all. The don't know they're all the same species.


I never thought I'd say this, but congratulations ... you're even more insane than the BNP.
Lulz.


To racists.


Are relevant to what?
The fact that race clearly matters. It mattered enough to separate the blacks and the whites didn't it?




Ah, here it is! *falls about laughing* Now I'm waiting for you to explain which "black people" you're talking about, who "us" are, exactly what the culture of "black people" is, what the culture of "us" is, and how they are different.
Well "black people" are people with black skin. "Us" are white people ( sorry for the generalisation). And clearly "we" have a different culture to blacks, some whites even try to emulate this for some reason.
Then you can apply your little truisms to other people to show how well your bullshit holds up. Explain the skin-color-based cultural differences between "black people" and "us" in the United States, for starters. I'll make popcorn.
Well for starters, the way a black man can call another black man a "******", and yet a white man can't. Racism has changed, the whole system in this country is biased for immigrants.

Are you showing off your troll part or your stupid part with this crack?
A bit of both.

When was that?
For about 300-400 years.

A) Humans are not selectively bred.
A) What about arranged marriages?
B) If race = breed, and racial differences are necessary in the same way that breed differences are, explain the necessity of a miniature poodle.
B) 'cos they look funny.

D) I was not aware that communism was a dog breeding association. How the fuck did the poor communists get dragged into your BS pile?
Oh, all dogs are commies. Didn't you know?
I think the 1200 reference is supposed to be something to do with the Norman Conquest (which makes me wonder if the poster actually knows who the Normans were).
The Normans were Vikings. When they invaded the frogs, they were called "men of the north" or "Norse men" by the locals, that's how they got the name of Normans.

I've figured everything out with this post.

See, our friend is right. Immigrants can never and will never be British. But the reason is deeply ingrained into our genetic code.

See, GnI has asserted that British people are "whores behind doors", which lead to the confusion as that implies that GnI is female when in fact, GnI is male.

Upon puzzling this, I was instantly drawn to my recent vacation to Maui, where I perused the local aquarium. As it was the month of February they were showcasing interesting little sexual tidbits about fish mating. I recall reading about a type of fish--a kind of "harem fish" if you will--where each male had many females. If and when a male died, the most dominant female would actually make a complete transition in gender and become male. I realized that this solved both problems at once. This is why immigrants cannot be British and why GnI is a female whore.

Because behind closed doors, all British people become women. Thusly, anyone who haveth not this genetic capability simply cannot be British.

My god, he's rumbled us.

Maybe. Could be that British people evolved from fish and not from chimps.
i thought it was fish AND chimps ... oh wait, that was fish and CHIPS.

actually they do have these kind of were-seals or something like that, the sool skeriee, however that's spelled, which is probably a misspelling of a mispronounciation (i mean i've only seen it in print, and THEN i can't remember how its spelled). they do the baby swapping thing too, or so its sometimes claimed.

i thought it was fish AND chimps ... oh wait, that was fish and CHIPS.

actually they do have these kind of were-seals or something like that, the sool skeriee, however that's spelled, which is probably a misspelling of a mispronounciation (i mean i've only seen it in print, and THEN i can't remember how its spelled). they do the baby swapping thing too, or so its sometimes claimed.

Small bacteria first, then eventually fish.

The fact that race clearly matters. It mattered enough to separate the blacks and the whites didn't it?


And shouldn't the way that people of all races get along together today prove that it doesn't matter?


Well "black people" are people with black skin. "Us" are white people ( sorry for the generalisation). And clearly "we" have a different culture to blacks, some whites even try to emulate this for some reason.


But not all white people have the same culture. A Spaniard probably has different culture from me. As do most people who don't come from where I come from. That doesn't make any culture better, it just means that `white people' (or `Us') aren't actually one cultural entity -- there are probably more differences between cultures that are predominantly white then there are between your culture and that of a black person.


Well for starters, the way a black man can call another black man a "******", and yet a white man can't. Racism has changed, the whole system in this country is biased for immigrants.


By `the whole system' you mean the way it is viewed. Racism is racism no matter who practices it. Some people seem to get away with it, but that doesn't make it any better.


A) What about arranged marriages?


Arranged marriages don't exist for the purpose of breeding better humans. Arranged marriages usually are for political, economic, or cultural reasons.

And shouldn't the way that people of all races get along together today prove that it doesn't matter?
People of different races don't get along every were.
The KKK and the race riots they have in Australia for instance.


But not all white people have the same culture. A Spaniard probably has different culture from me. As do most people who don't come from where I come from. That doesn't make any culture better, it just means that `white people' (or `Us') aren't actually one cultural entity -- there are probably more differences between cultures that are predominantly white then there are between your culture and that of a black person.
Yes but people from the some place and of the same ethnicity share the same culture. But people who come from the same place and of a different ethnicity do not.


By `the whole system' you mean the way it is viewed. Racism is racism no matter who practices it. Some people seem to get away with it, but that doesn't make it any better.
There's racism and then there's systematic racism.


Arranged marriages don't exist for the purpose of breeding better humans. Arranged marriages usually are for political, economic, or cultural reasons.
It is still selective breeding is it not?

I heard they are in love with you.
It wouldn't surprise me.

The KKK and the race riots they have in Australia for instance.

Um, yes, race is an important matter to racists, which is fairly obvious.

Why should this make any difference to people who don't think the KKK has sensible priorities?

I suppose race 'matters' to everybody in that other people get needlessly worked up about it as an artificial concept, which negatively affects everybody else. Somehow, though, I don't think that's what you were aiming for.

Well for starters, the way a black man can call another black man a "******", and yet a white man can't. Racism has changed, the whole system in this country is biased for immigrants.

Can we just pause here for a moment to savor this?

This, ladies and gents, is the most classic, most destilled, most quintessential racist statement of our times, and when you get to see it in its natural habitat you should at least take a second to meditate on the perfect, crystalline purity of it. Marvel at the sublime sense of entitlement it reflects.

Um, yes, race is an important matter to racists, which is fairly obvious.

Why should this make any difference to people who don't think the KKK has sensible priorities?
The KKK don't have sensible priorities. They're just a bunch of drunken red necks.
I suppose race 'matters' to everybody in that other people get needlessly worked up about it as an artificial concept, which negatively affects everybody else. Somehow, though, I don't think that's what you were aiming for.

It is not artifitial as it is not man made. And what is negative about recognising race? When Obama won all's anyone went on about was the fact he was black.

Can we just pause here for a moment to savor this?

This, ladies and gents, is the most classic, most destilled, most quintessential racist statement of our times, and when you get to see it in its natural habitat you should at least take a second to meditate on the perfect, crystalline purity of it. Marvel at the sublime sense of entitlement it reflects.

What are you talking about?

It is not artifitial as it is not man made. And what is negative about recognising race? When Obama won all's anyone went on about was the fact he was black.

The importance placed upon it is artificial.

And you do realise that Obama's race was only important insofar as it proved race was steadily becoming less relevant in the modern day, right?

The importance placed upon it is artificial.

And you do realise that Obama's race was only important insofar as it proved race was steadily becoming less relevant in the modern day, right?
I don't think that's entirely true. In fact, I think the importance of Obama's race was that it exposed how racist our country still is.

Americans love to pat ourselves on the back about being such a 'post-racial' society, yet the Obama campaign was like sticking a broom handle down a manhole cover and stirring around in the sewage...all manner of nasty shit came to the surface.

I don't think that's entirely true. In fact, I think the importance of Obama's race was that it exposed how racist our country still is.

Americans love to pat ourselves on the back about being such a 'post-racial' society, yet the Obama campaign was like sticking a broom handle down a manhole cover and stirring around in the sewage...all manner of nasty shit came to the surface.

Fair enough, I agree that racism is still a major issue in the USA. I should probably have clarified that on the subject of why Obama being of a particular race was good, though, the only reason I could possibly fathom for that is that it shows race is of slightly less importance than it used to be with regards to the presidency.

Fair enough, I agree that racism is still a major issue in the USA. I should probably have clarified that on the subject of why Obama being of a particular race was good, though, the only reason I could possibly fathom for that is that it shows race is of slightly less importance than it used to be with regards to the presidency.
I think the good aspect of it was that it really highlighted how much Americans hated the philosophy of the Bush administration.

I mean, to paraphrase Chris Rock, Bush fucked up so massively that he made it so a white man couldn't win the presidency.

Or, to put it another way, the Bush presidency was all about image over substance, to the point where people finally realized that all the brush-clearing fighter-landing codpiece bullshit was empty and useless. People actually wanted substance for a change, and they wanted it badly enough that the surface didn't matter the way it would have 8 years ago.

I think the good aspect of it was that it really highlighted how much Americans hated the philosophy of the Bush administration.

I mean, to paraphrase Chris Rock, Bush fucked up so massively that he made it so a white man couldn't win the presidency.

Or, to put it another way, the Bush presidency was all about image over substance, to the point where people finally realized that all the brush-clearing fighter-landing codpiece bullshit was empty and useless. People actually wanted substance for a change, and they wanted it badly enough that the surface didn't matter the way it would have 8 years ago.

Well, okay, I suppose one could see it as a response to Bush failure rather than more enlightened attitudes.

You do like to rain on parades, though, don't you? :)

Can we just pause here for a moment to savor this?

This, ladies and gents, is the most classic, most destilled, most quintessential racist statement of our times, and when you get to see it in its natural habitat you should at least take a second to meditate on the perfect, crystalline purity of it. Marvel at the sublime sense of entitlement it reflects.

In the words of the red haired Queenslander (not Ard); Please explain?

Well, okay, I suppose one could see it as a response to Bush failure rather than more enlightened attitudes.

You do like to rain on parades, though, don't you? :)
Haha, I do agree with you, I just take a bit more joy in slightly different aspects of the Obama victory.

I guess I'm just a bit jaded about all the race stuff, because for months all we heard about was how Obama is proof that racism is soooooo over...and since his inauguration there has been a pretty much non-stop stream of racism from a certain segment of the media. Maybe I'm bitter because I actually let myself start to believe the hype about racism being a thing of the past. :P

I mean, to paraphrase Chris Rock, Bush fucked up so massively that he made it so a white man couldn't win the presidency.

Exactly, you all voted for Obama because he's black. Is "self-loathing whitey" a real term? Because it should be, that's what white Americans are.

Exactly, you all voted for Obama because he's black. Is "self-loathing whitey" a real term? Because it should be, that's what white Americans are.

You really never learn, do you?

Exactly, you all voted for Obama because he's black. Is "self-loathing whitey" a real term? Because it should be, that's what white Americans are.
The term you're looking for is "white guilt," and no, you're not the first racist to insist that a white person could never have a valid reason to vote for a black person.

But hey, bonus for managing to completely miss both the humor and my point!

...wow...that's my only words.
He'd make a great evil dictator one day...

I've figured everything out with this post.

See, our friend is right. Immigrants can never and will never be British. But the reason is deeply ingrained into our genetic code.

See, GnI has asserted that British people are "whores behind doors", which lead to the confusion as that implies that GnI is female when in fact, GnI is male.

Upon puzzling this, I was instantly drawn to my recent vacation to Maui, where I perused the local aquarium. As it was the month of February they were showcasing interesting little sexual tidbits about fish mating. I recall reading about a type of fish--a kind of "harem fish" if you will--where each male had many females. If and when a male died, the most dominant female would actually make a complete transition in gender and become male. I realized that this solved both problems at once. This is why immigrants cannot be British and why GnI is a female whore.

Because behind closed doors, all British people become women. Thusly, anyone who haveth not this genetic capability simply cannot be British.

*waves flipper* "You didn't see anything"

you all voted for Obama because he's black.

Psst. Turns out displaying your ignorance about American politics in a forum that has lots of threads about it does not help your reputation.

The fact that race clearly matters. It mattered enough to separate the blacks and the whites didn't it?

It mattered to UTTER MORONS who did that. It doesn't matter to normal people. Much like, say, a red ball matters to a monomaniac in a nut house but doesn't matter to anyone sane.

The fact that race clearly matters. It mattered enough to separate the blacks and the whites didn't it?

It only mattered to racists. Note that it did not matter enough in other places to do that, and in the US, it stopped mattering, and in fact, it started to matter very much that they no longer be separated. Also, it no longer matters in South Africa anymore.

So your attempt to claim that it is somehow important to separate the races just because a few racists used to do it but don't do it anymore is bullshit.

Also, "some folks used to do it" is not an explanation for WHY it is so all-fired vital in your imagination.

Well "black people" are people with black skin. "Us" are white people ( sorry for the generalisation). And clearly "we" have a different culture to blacks, some whites even try to emulate this for some reason.
So all people who have "black" skin (which no one does, by the way, just as no one has "white" skin; humans are not made of paper or paint) all share one culture? So, an aboriginal from Australia and an African from Zimbabwe and an African-American from Chicago and an African-American from Alabama, and a child of African immigrants to the UK, or one who grew up in Sweden, and a Solomon Islander -- all have just one common "culture" which is determined by their skin color?

And all honkies also have one culture -- so I from New York City have the exact same culture as a Swede or a Spaniard or an Italian or a German or ...etc, etc, etc?

Wow, that's a pretty high pile of bullshit you got there. It's so obvious though, I wonder why you bothered to shovel it at all.

Well for starters, the way a black man can call another black man a "******", and yet a white man can't. Racism has changed, the whole system in this country is biased for immigrants.
The above bullshit patty contains approximately four separate points of all which are wrong, none of which are related to each other, and none of which are related to what you were trying to answer.

For some reason, I don't think you did that on purpose.


A bit of both.
Only a bit?

For about 300-400 years.
Starting when?

A) What about arranged marriages?

B) 'cos they look funny.


Oh, all dogs are commies. Didn't you know?

The Normans were Vikings. When they invaded the frogs, they were called "men of the north" or "Norse men" by the locals, that's how they got the name of Normans.
Obvious troll is getting boring.

It is still selective breeding is it not?

No. Arranged marriages are not selective breeding. Get over it.

Do you mean, people's who's ancestry originates in Britain?


Equally nonsensical. Ancestry originates in genes, not arbitrary lines on a map.


I don't think he meant it literally. It was a comparison. You never know, a German shepherd might not consider a bull dog a dog at all. The don't know they're all the same species.


Awesome. Dogs aren't racist because they're too dumb to know they're the same.

That made sense to you?


The fact that race clearly matters. It mattered enough to separate the blacks and the whites didn't it?


If 'racial' characteristics are evolutionary, then - no.


Well "black people" are people with black skin. "Us" are white people ( sorry for the generalisation). And clearly "we" have a different culture to blacks, some whites even try to emulate this for some reason.


You shouldn't be sorry for the generalisation.

You should be sorry for the argument - it's nonsensical. Cultures have nothing to do with 'race'.


Well for starters, the way a black man can call another black man a "******", and yet a white man can't. Racism has changed, the whole system in this country is biased for immigrants.


You feel victimised because you don't get to call people 'niggers'? I feel your pain.

No. Arranged marriages are not selective breeding. Get over it.

Kidnapping two specific people using their health, genetic history and other factors as the criteria to pick them, force-feeding male and female Viagra to them, and locking them down with only aphrodisiac foods and porn as entertainment is, though.

>.>

<.<

Or so I heard.

From other people.

Not personal experience.

No sir.

Yes but people from the some place and of the same ethnicity share the same culture. But people who come from the same place and of a different ethnicity do not.


Which is an interesting observation, and would possibly be very useful to the conversation if it wasn't complete arse.

I mean, it's a strong observation, but - given that my wife and I were born more than 3000 miles from one another, AND given that she's a Native American, and I'm not, AND - given that we still 'share the same culture'.... I'm going to have to call 'bullshit'.

It is not artifitial as it is not man made. And what is negative about recognising race? When Obama won all's anyone went on about was the fact he was black.

Actually, most of what 'they went on about' was the fact that Democrats had overturned the Republican regime, and that it was a mandate for change.

But don't lose any sleep over it - historical revisionism isn't new in racism.

Exactly, you all voted for Obama because he's black.
Post-election polls said otherwise.
Is "self-loathing whitey" a real term? Because it should be, that's what white Americans are.
Because youve shown to be so in touch with America. Quick, tell us again how the House of Representatives is the election we should all be paying attention to because they hold all the real power, how the president is really just a powerless figurehead, and how his term is eight years long!

Yes but people from the some place and of the same ethnicity share the same culture. But people who come from the same place and of a different ethnicity do not.

More BS. Define "the same place." How small are you going to slice up parcels of land to make your pet theory fit, hm? Can we all be from the same hemisphere, same region, same nation, or do we have to be from the same city, same county, same block, same apartment building?

and how his term is eight years long!

For the final time, I never said that. I said that OBAMA'S term is eight years long, because you will DEFINITELY re-elect him. You're not smart enough to vote against him.

For the final time, I never said that. I said that OBAMA'S term is eight years long, because you will DEFINITELY re-elect him. You're not smart enough to vote against him.

Youre consistant ignorance on everything pertaining to social and political situations in America (see the earlier post I quoted) makes me disagree with your "I knew it all along!" defense.

Youre consistant ignorance on everything pertaining to social and political situations in America (see the earlier post I quoted) makes me disagree with your "I knew it all along!" defense.

Yeah, never mind that I followed the 2000, 2004 and 2008 elections (and lost all three). Never mind that your stupid election dominates news here, more so than our own election. Yeah, I must have FOUND a way to not know how long a president's term is, despite the world around me.

Yeah, never mind that I followed the 2000, 2004 and 2008 elections (and lost all three). Never mind that your stupid election dominates news here, more so than our own election. Yeah, I must have FOUND a way to not know how long a president's term is, despite the world around me.

Id believe it. You found a way to believe all the other insane crap you spew about the political and social culture here in the US despite the world around you.

Id believe it. You found a way to believe all the other insane crap you spew about the political and social culture here in the US despite the world around you.

I know enough about the social culture of America. You offer people cheese on everything and then shoot them.

I know enough about the social culture of America. You offer people cheese on everything and then shoot them.

I rest my case.

I know enough about the social culture of America. You offer people cheese on everything and then shoot them.

You know about the same about the social culture of America as the aferage Malawian knows about the Outback.

You know about the same about the social culture of America as the aferage Malawian knows about the Outback.

The only thing to know about the outback is that Australian animals are not cute and there's a place called Lake Disappointment.

The only thing to know about the outback is that Australian animals are not cute and there's a place called Lake Disappointment.

And the average Malawian knows neither of those things.

I know enough about the social culture of America. You offer people cheese on everything and then shoot them.

Why don't you like cheese?

I know enough about the social culture of America. You offer people cheese on everything and then shoot them.

"Cheese on that" and "shooting people" are freedom. Why do you hate freedom?

I don't think that's entirely true. In fact, I think the importance of Obama's race was that it exposed how racist our country still is.

Americans love to pat ourselves on the back about being such a 'post-racial' society, yet the Obama campaign was like sticking a broom handle down a manhole cover and stirring around in the sewage...all manner of nasty shit came to the surface.

Yeah, but at the end of the day America collectively looked at the color of his skin and decided, "we don't give a fuck".

That's gotta be something, right?

Is "self-loathing whitey" a real term? Because it should be, that's what white Americans are.

Nope. I love myself quite a bit actually. I'm taking me out to a romantic dinner with just the one of us later tonight.

Maybe sex if I'm lucky.

I know enough about the social culture of America. You offer people cheese on everything and then shoot them.

Fuck the what?

Yeah, but at the end of the day America collectively looked at the color of his skin and decided, "we don't give a fuck".

That's gotta be something, right?

Sometimes I think the democrats could have put a fucking monkey as their presidential candidate instead and people would have voted for them because of Bush's 8 years and Sarah Palin as VP candidate.

Sometimes I think the democrats could have put a fucking monkey as their presidential candidate instead and people would have voted for them because of Bush's 8 years and Sarah Palin as VP candidate.

In the closing weeks of the election campaign, I heard (several times) similar arguments. Even Republicans I know were saying that they'd chose Satan over a tacit endorsement of Bush's Folly.

"Cheese on that" and "shooting people" are freedom. Why do you hate freedom?

See, in the past, all Australians ate Kraft Cheddar Cheese. In those days, we were soaring souls, as free as a mountain bird, and each Australian's fist was ever ready to resist a dictatorial word. We never bowed down to a domineering frown or the tang of a tyrant tongue. Our eyes did flash, and our breasts protrude, (:eek2:???), and this -- :hail: -- was not our customary attitude.*

But then successive waves of immigrants brought their revolting smelly different cheeses with them! Now even good white Anglo-Saxon straight religious married couples with medium to high incomes buy Emmentaler from cheese-dealers in public places without the least sign of shame. Innocent young girls talk openly about "Gouda". And that horrid little crumby Parmesan stuff's everywhere -- it's a wonder we don't have to put it on our cornflakes (porridge in winter).

That's what immigration does to a country.

And you Yanks have the gall to swan into our Maccas with your cultural imperialism and your super-sized buns and try to sell the idea that it's clever and sophisticated to have "cheese on that".

Shame, America, shame.

*A British Tar; Gilbert and Sullivan. (http://www.guntheranderson.com/v/data/britisht.htm)

You're an Aussie, Ard? O.o

See, in the past, all Australians ate Kraft Cheddar Cheese. In those days, we were soaring souls, as free as a mountain bird, and each Australian's fist was ever ready to resist a dictatorial word. We never bowed down to a domineering frown or the tang of a tyrant tongue. Our eyes did flash, and our breasts protrude, (:eek2:???), and this -- :hail: -- was not our customary attitude.*

But then successive waves of immigrants brought their revolting smelly different cheeses with them! Now even good white Anglo-Saxon straight religious married couples with medium to high incomes buy Emmentaler from cheese-dealers in public places without the least sign of shame. Innocent young girls talk openly about "Gouda". And that horrid little crumby Parmesan stuff's everywhere -- it's a wonder we don't have to put it on our cornflakes (porridge in winter).

That's what immigration does to a country.

And you Yanks have the gall to swan into our Maccas with your cultural imperialism and your super-sized buns and try to sell the idea that it's clever and sophisticated to have "cheese on that".

Shame, America, shame.

*A British Tar; Gilbert and Sullivan. (http://www.guntheranderson.com/v/data/britisht.htm)

Congratulations. You win the interwebs!

(For the G&S, if for nothing else) :)

Congratulations. You win the interwebs!

(For the G&S, if for nothing else) :)
G&S wins, every time. :D

The term you're looking for is "white guilt," and no, you're not the first racist to insist that a white person could never have a valid reason to vote for a black person.

But hey, bonus for managing to completely miss both the humor and my point!
White guilt is totally retarded. Why on earth would anyone feel guilty about what their ancestors did to blacks? I don't and why should I? If (as I believe to be the case)white guilt is part of the reason Obama won, it shows just how stupid the American people are. Trying to prove that your not racist any more? It's pathetic. You pride your selves on living in a land of equal opportunity and that's a load of bollocks.
It mattered to UTTER MORONS who did that. It doesn't matter to normal people. Much like, say, a red ball matters to a monomaniac in a nut house but doesn't matter to anyone sane.
Ah, but what if the monomaniac is only interested in blue balls?
It only mattered to racists. Note that it did not matter enough in other places to do that, and in the US, it stopped mattering, and in fact, it started to matter very much that they no longer be separated. Also, it no longer matters in South Africa anymore.

So your attempt to claim that it is somehow important to separate the races just because a few racists used to do it but don't do it anymore is bullshit.
A few racists? The US is and was a world superpower with a huge population and you say a few racist?
IAlso, "some folks used to do it" is not an explanation for WHY it is so all-fired vital in your imagination.
It isn't. I never called for segregation, I only argued that race is still important.

ISo all people who have "black" skin (which no one does, by the way, just as no one has "white" skin; humans are not made of paper or paint) all share one culture? So, an aboriginal from Australia and an African from Zimbabwe and an African-American from Chicago and an African-American from Alabama, and a child of African immigrants to the UK, or one who grew up in Sweden, and a Solomon Islander -- all have just one common "culture" which is determined by their skin color?
I din't think that there were that many "African-Americans from Alabama". I know if were black I sure as hell wouldn't go to Alabama.
Culture is not only define by the colour of one's skin, it's were your from.
And all honkies also have one culture -- so I from New York City have the exact same culture as a Swede or a Spaniard or an Italian or a German or ...etc, etc, etc?
No you don't. New Yorkers are rude, they walk to quickly, they fight over cabs and they have funny accents. Europeans only have funny accents.

IWow, that's a pretty high pile of bullshit you got there. It's so obvious though, I wonder why you bothered to shovel it at all.
Well, about 150 years ago in that country you call home, I'd of got an "African-American" to do it for me.




IOnly a bit?
Well aright quite a bit.

IStarting when?
It depends on how you look at it. Just over 400 years ago ( that must seem so long to a yank considering you have virtually no history) we were perhaps the richest country in the world and possibly the strongest force in Europe( ergo the world). 300 years ago we began to colonise. Before that we proved dominance in Europe by "beating" the armada. Then the Napolionic wars and what not right up to the 1920/30's.
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No. Arranged marriages are not selective breeding. Get over it.
Well technecly every relationship a human enters is to do with selective breeding. We select a mate who we can have strong offspring with- fact.



Awesome. Dogs aren't racist because they're too dumb to know they're the same.
The IQ of a German Shepherd is 60. The minimum IQ to join the US military is 60. Therefore a German Shepard can join the armed force's. Shows how low the expectations of an Americans intelligence is. Also it proves (sort of) that dogs can tell the difference between their subspecies, just as humans can.

That made sense to you?.
What made sense to me?




You shouldn't be sorry for the generalisation.

You should be sorry for the argument - it's nonsensical. Cultures have nothing to do with 'race'.
Yes they do. There's black music is there not. There's things only a black man can say. Speech and music are both part of cultures.


You feel victimised because you don't get to call people 'niggers'? I feel your pain.
No, i do not feel victimised. I was just pointing out that it is double standards.
Which is an interesting observation, and would possibly be very useful to the conversation if it wasn't complete arse.

I mean, it's a strong observation, but - given that my wife and I were born more than 3000 miles from one another, AND given that she's a Native American, and I'm not, AND - given that we still 'share the same culture'.... I'm going to have to call 'bullshit'.
I thought you said you had lived in Kent. Do you mean the real Kent? or one of the many fake ones?


For the final time, I never said that. I said that OBAMA'S term is eight years long, because you will DEFINITELY re-elect him. You're not smart enough to vote against him.
Seconded.
If Obama survives until 2012, he will be re-elected.
Yeah, never mind that I followed the 2000, 2004 and 2008 elections (and lost all three). Never mind that your stupid election dominates news here, more so than our own election. Yeah, I must have FOUND a way to not know how long a president's term is, despite the world around me.
I know what is that about? Every time they happen they're all over the British tabloids for months. And god only knows how dull and repetitive the British media is.
The only thing to know about the outback is that Australian animals are not cute and there's a place called Lake Disappointment.
Really? What's the lake like? Is it actually disappointing?

(as I believe to be the case)white guilt is part of the reason Obama won, it shows just how stupid the American people are. Trying to prove that your not racist any more? It's pathetic. You pride your selves on living in a land of equal opportunity and that's a load of bollocks.

Oh look. Another person who thinks he knows what hes talking about but doesnt have a fucking clue.

Heres whats up kid. After the election, a poll was conducted. It asked about Obamas race influencing the election.

16% said they didnt vote for him because he was black.
18% said they voted for him because he was black.

When you consider people who may have lied about not voting for him because he was black becaue theyre (rightfully) ashamed of their racism, and take into consideration that both those numbers are within the poll's margin of error of each other, any intellegent person concludes that race had fuck all to do with his election.

Even if the above paragraph wasnt true, he won by more then 2% (the difference between the two).

So you and Rusty can stop parroting that bullshit, because its flat out wrong.

The IQ of a German Shepherd is 60. The minimum IQ to join the US military is 60. Therefore a German Shepard can join the armed force's. Shows how low the expectations of an Americans intelligence is.

Source?

Oh, and the Navy, Air Force, and Marines wants you to have a GED. How many German Shepards have a GED?

Also it proves (sort of) that dogs can tell the difference between their subspecies, just as humans can.


It proves nothing of the sort. Are you even trying anymore?

I know what is that about? Every time they happen they're all over the British tabloids for months. And god only knows how dull and repetitive the British media is.

Are you INSANE? Your newspapers have PORN on the third page! How could your media possibly be boring?

For that matter, how could a US election overshadow porno?

Really? What's the lake like? Is it actually disappointing?

I don't know, I haven't been there. It's in the bloody outback! Contrary to popular belief, not all Australians live in the outback. In fact, almost none do; it's next to inhospitable.

Anyway, the guy who found the lake expected it to be fresh water, but it was a salt lake instead. Hence the disapppointment.

The IQ of a German Shepherd is 60.

The fuck? No it's not. For reasons not the least of which is that a dog can't even take the test.

The fuck? No it's not. For reasons not the least of which is that a dog can't even take the test.

They have ways of working it out. I believe that's how the police choose which dogs they use.

Anyway, the guy who found the lake expected it to be fresh water, but it was a salt lake instead. Hence the disapppointment.

...hence the original name Lake Extremely Pissed Off And Thirsty We Are All Going To Die Why Did We Ever Come To This Godforsaken Hellhole

They have ways of working it out. I believe that's how the police choose which dogs they use.

sure, absolutely. You can test a dog's intelligence. But that's seeing how intelligent the dog is compared to other dogs. There might be such a thing as a "canine IQ". But it in no way compares to the intelligence of a human being.

You can't say "a dog has a 60 IQ". It might have a 60 canine IQ, but that's in no way the same thing.

They have ways of working it out. I believe that's how the police choose which dogs they use.

No, they look at things like sense of smell and ability to control their aggression. Im pretty sure an IQ has fuck all to do with it.

Oh, and the Navy, Air Force, and Marines wants you to have a GED. How many German Shepards have a GED?

I don't even know what a GED is.

It proves nothing of the sort. Are you even trying anymore?
No, I don't really see how we ended up talking about dogs.
Are you INSANE? Your newspapers have PORN on the third page! How could your media possibly be boring?

For that matter, how could a US election overshadow porno?
What!? You guys don't have Page 3!? I am never going to Australia.

Page 3 is only on some papers to be fair ( the sport has allot more than what's on page 3). Shit like the mail harp on about it for fucking ever. It's like this Jade Goody thing- once she was dead I thought it would be the end of it- I should have known better.


I don't know, I haven't been there. It's in the bloody outback! Contrary to popular belief, not all Australians live in the outback. In fact, almost none do; it's next to inhospitable.

Anyway, the guy who found the lake expected it to be fresh water, but it was a salt lake instead. Hence the disapppointment.
You learn something new every day ( well often more, like today for instance- do you know what an UHI is?)

What part of Australia is the out back?

I don't even know what a GED is.

IIRC, it's the equivalent of a high school diploma. I could be wrong.

You learn something new every day ( well often more, like today for instance- do you know what an UHI is?)

What part of Australia is the out back?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b8/Australia-climate-map_MJC01.png/662px-Australia-climate-map_MJC01.png

See the big orange bit in the middle? Yeah.

The vast majority of the population lives in the blue and light green parts.

The thing about training animals, especially dogs, is conditioned response. Training it to respond in a specific way to a specific stimulus. A drug dog doesn't think "I smell cocaine, I should tell my handler!" It thinks "When I smell a specific odor, I respond in a specific way".

In fact, even ascribing that level of thought to it is beyond the mental faculties of the animal. It's conditioning. A dog's "intelligence" is all based on how well it accepts conditioning, and how well it can be trained to respond to specific stimulus in a specific way. Not whether they THINK about it, or even understand WHY they do it.

Human intelligence is a whole other thing. You can't compare the two. An IQ of 60, in human terms, is mildly retarded. Someone who is mildly retarded still has problem solving capabilities, and the ability to adapt and respond to a changing environment, through logical thought processes, far better than any dog.

What!? You guys don't have Page 3!? I am never going to Australia.

Page 3 is only on some papers to be fair ( the sport has allot more than what's on page 3). Shit like the mail harp on about it for fucking ever. It's like this Jade Goody thing- once she was dead I thought it would be the end of it- I should have known better.

Your media is so much better than ours. You have porn and soccer. We have no porn and Australian rules football.

EDIT: Whoa. How did "no porn" become "bi porn"? That's just a hilariously disturbing typo.

http://www.infoimagination.org/ps/kobe/profile/iq.html
http://www.poochiq.com/mg2/
I know it's not that related but it prove they do have tests for dogs

They have ways of working it out. I believe that's how the police choose which dogs they use.

Seems they work it out by an ability to follow orders

http://petrix.com/dogint/intelligence.html

Personally I think the Afghan Hound might be the smartest because it won't do what it is told. Imagine if we ranked human intelligence by the ability to follow orders...

http://www.infoimagination.org/ps/kobe/profile/iq.html
http://www.poochiq.com/mg2/
I know it's not that related but it prove they do have tests for dogs

well...no shit? Of course they have ways of seeing how intelligent a dog is, compared to other dogs

IIRC, it's the equivalent of a high school diploma. I could be wrong.
Which is equal to?


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b8/Australia-climate-map_MJC01.png/662px-Australia-climate-map_MJC01.png

See the big orange bit in the middle? Yeah.

The vast majority of the population lives in the blue and light green parts.
Holy shit. It's massive, but no-one live there. No wonder you've got such a small population.
Your media is so much better than ours. You have porn and soccer. We have no porn and Australian rules football.
Isn't that were you kick the shit out of each other for a ball? Like Gaelic football?
P.S It's called football not soccer.
EDIT: Whoa. How did "no porn" become "bi porn"? That's just a hilariously disturbing typo.
:p

White guilt is totally retarded. Why on earth would anyone feel guilty about what their ancestors did to blacks? I don't and why should I? If (as I believe to be the case)white guilt is part of the reason Obama won, it shows just how stupid the American people are. Trying to prove that your not racist any more? It's pathetic. You pride your selves on living in a land of equal opportunity and that's a load of bollocks.

Well, if you should feel proud of your ancestor's achievements, then you should also feel guilt for their failures. 'Tis only logical.


I thought you said you had lived in Kent. Do you mean the real Kent? or one of the many fake ones?


Maybe he lived in Kent at some point, and now lives in Georgia, as he said?

Seems they work it out by an ability to follow orders

http://petrix.com/dogint/intelligence.html

Personally I think the Afghan Hound might be the smartest because it won't do what it is told. Imagine if we ranked human intelligence by the ability to follow orders...

but again I'm not sure that's ENTIRELY accurate. "ability to follow orders" implies a degree of understanding that I don't think animals have. "following orders" implies an ability to understand that you are told to do something, and making the conscious choice to do it or not.

I'm not sure dogs are capable of that level of higher reasoning. It's more about how capable they are to receive conditioning.

but again I'm not sure that's ENTIRELY accurate. "ability to follow orders" implies a degree of understanding that I don't think animals have. "following orders" implies an ability to understand that you are told to do something, and making the conscious choice to do it or not.

I'm not sure dogs are capable of that level of higher reasoning. It's more about how capable they are to receive conditioning.

Seems to me they just asked a load of dog trainers how intelligent they thought different breeds of dogs were.

Which is equal to?

Secondary school. Whatever you call it in the UK.

Isn't that were you kick the shit out of each other for a ball? Like Gaelic football?
P.S It's called football not soccer.

Yeah, it's kinda like Gaelic, except a bit more physical.

but again I'm not sure that's ENTIRELY accurate. "ability to follow orders" implies a degree of understanding that I don't think animals have. "following orders" implies an ability to understand that you are told to do something, and making the conscious choice to do it or not.

I'm not sure dogs are capable of that level of higher reasoning. It's more about how capable they are to receive conditioning.

Indeed. When I say, "Can you shake?" to my dog, I am quite confident that she does not think, "Hmm, should I hand her a paw or not? Yeah, I'll do what she wants" but rather something closer to, "Oh hey, sometimes when I do this good things happen" (except less conscious, which I can't exactly articulate in words). (This also explains why, when I am holding a treat, she tends to rapidly run through every trick she knows before I give her any command at all. She's been conditioned to know that sitting, shaking, begging, etc. are all things that sometimes result in a treat, so she tries all of them.)

Secondary school. Whatever you call it in the UK.
Wait so you guys get one big qualification? Not quite a few small ones?


Yeah, it's kinda like Gaelic, except a bit more physical.

You guys must have good dentists then.

Maybe he lived in Kent at some point, and now lives in Georgia, as he said?

Oh, you and your logic and your facts.

The IQ of a German Shepherd is 60.


Awesome. Show me.

From what I recall of my dog training days, 'Canine IQ' is a measure of initial responses to commands, and ease with which a dog picks up new commands.

If such is the case, and that's what you're referring to - it has no parallel to the cognitive requirements of 'human' IQ tests.


The minimum IQ to join the US military is 60.


Awesome. Show me.


Therefore a German Shepard can join the armed force's.


They'd fail on the citizenship requirement.


Shows how low the expectations of an Americans intelligence is.


An amusing little flame,perhaps, but irrelevant - even if it were true.


Also it proves (sort of) that dogs can tell the difference between their subspecies, just as humans can.


No, it doesn't. It proves nothing of the kind - even if it were true.


Yes they do. There's black music is there not.


No.


There's things only a black man can say. Speech and music are both part of cultures.


You are claiming there is a 'black culture', and apparently, your evidence for this is that Chris Rock calls his homies 'niggers'.

How, exactly, does this relate to my Kenyan friend?


No, i do not feel victimised. I was just pointing out that it is double standards.


Like giving birth? That's a double standard - but I don't see you raising that one. Obviously. Because you don't feel like you're missing out on anything there.


I thought you said you had lived in Kent. Do you mean the real Kent? or one of the many fake ones?


How hard is this, really? Read back through the post you're (supposed to be) responding to, and see if you can spot the subtle clues as to how this could be.

A few racists? The US is and was a world superpower with a huge population and you say a few racist?
Yeah, a few racists, most of whom are now dead or close to it in age.

It isn't. I never called for segregation, I only argued that race is still important.
And you have absolutely failed to show that it is important to anyone in the world OTHER THAN racists, nor have you show that it is important for any purpose OTHER THAN racist policies.

So...you're a racist then, are you? Because apparently, only racists think it's important.

No you don't. New Yorkers are rude, they walk to quickly, they fight over cabs and they have funny accents. Europeans only have funny accents.
Sigh. Shallow bullshit is the most boring of all. If you don't have an answer to something, I would advise you just to skip it. I take my point as conceded -- there is not a common "white" culture, nor a common "black" culture. Thank you for admitting that your entire core point is crap.

Next.

Well, about 150 years ago in that country you call home, I'd of got an "African-American" to do it for me.
More boring fail.

Well aright quite a bit.


It depends on how you look at it. Just over 400 years ago ( that must seem so long to a yank considering you have virtually no history) we were perhaps the richest country in the world and possibly the strongest force in Europe( ergo the world). 300 years ago we began to colonise. Before that we proved dominance in Europe by "beating" the armada. Then the Napolionic wars and what not right up to the 1920/30's.

WTF? No, forget it. You've already demonstrated that (A) your original point is BS and (B) you have no answers for any counterpoints, but that doesn't stop you from talking. I'll just toss this on the pile of the rest of the meaningless blather you've posted.

In other words, you're wrong.

Sigh. Shallow bullshit is the most boring of all. If you don't have an answer to something, I would advise you just to skip it.

I loved New York. I didn't have to fight over cabs, once. I also got lucky every time I took a cab, I never once had a rude driver, or one of the psycho-stylee ones you see in movies. Most of the people I met were courteous, or, at least, not offensive. As for 'funny accents'... maybe true. I met people from pretty much everywhere on the globe, in New York... so it's certainly possible. If you think that Chinese accents, etc are 'funny'.

I think Issy watches too much bad tv.

I loved New York. I didn't have to fight over cabs, once. I also got lucky every time I took a cab, I never once had a rude driver, or one of the psycho-stylee ones you see in movies. Most of the people I met were courteous, or, at least, not offensive. As for 'funny accents'... maybe true. I met people from pretty much everywhere on the globe, in New York... so it's certainly possible. If you think that Chinese accents, etc are 'funny'.

I think Issy watches too much bad tv.
Can he fit a tv up his ass? I mean, that seems to be where he's pulling his observations from...

New Yorkers are not rude. They are honest. Being honest to egotistical hypocrites who have the manners of pigs and are stupider than a German shepherd is how we get the reputation for being rude. We get it from those same stupid, rude jackasses who visit our city, act like assholes and tie up traffic for no good reason.

It is a known fact that if a visitor to that city does not act like a complete moron with an attention jones worse than the poorest crackhead, New Yorkers are great to be around.

Ah, but what if the monomaniac is only interested in blue balls?

Then the point of what I said will have just flown by the head of my interlocutor.

I kinda hoped this would be a sotry about an immigrant that gave his/her job back to an American and went back to their home country..

http://www.news.com.au/story/0,27574,25213217-23109,00.html



So, even this guy, who immigrated himself, says that immigrants aren't making enough of an effort to integrate. What do you have to say to that, NSG?

So he is trying to make the case that the social fabric of the nation will break down unless EVERYONE speaks only English

In a nation that is already multi lingual

Seems like an idiot

I kinda hoped this would be a sotry about an immigrant that gave his/her job back to an American and went back to their home country..

I don't know how to respond to this one...

I kinda hoped this would be a sotry about an immigrant that gave his/her job back to an American and went back to their home country..

Why?

Why?

Because thats the best immigrant.

Really? What's the lake like? Is it actually disappointing?

Actually when you go tere you are expecting it to be disappointing and then it turns out it isn't and then this image you built into your mind doesn't turn out the way you thought and so you get disappointed which means it really is disappointing which means that...

Because thats the best immigrant.

What about one that uses the new resources of his country to cure a major disease and save hundreds of lives?

Or heck coming out of history help develop a power source that has lighted millions of homes for years and solidified the US's status as a global power

They seem even better (from the perspective of the USA) then one that gives up the job he is working at

I kinda hoped this would be a sotry about an immigrant that gave his/her job back to an American and went back to their home country..

Oh boy.

Right. Immigrants "take jobs" from Americans and can "give jobs" to Americans.

THEY are the ones who make such a call, not, y'know, the actual EMPLOYERS or anything.

:rolleyes:

Because thats the best immigrant.

Because ONLY America has immigrants?

Or... because the best thing an immigrant can do, is leave?

IIRC, it's the equivalent of a high school diploma. I could be wrong.



http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b8/Australia-climate-map_MJC01.png/662px-Australia-climate-map_MJC01.png

See the big orange bit in the middle? Yeah.

The vast majority of the population lives in the blue and light green parts.

Yeah but that isn't all the outback now is it?

In fact some of those blue and light green parts are also the outback

Oh boy.

Right. Immigrants "take jobs" from Americans and can "give jobs" to Americans.

THEY are the ones who make such a call, not, y'know, the actual EMPLOYERS or anything.

:rolleyes:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2fGl9587X8

hehe loved that episode

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2fGl9587X8

hehe loved that episode

That's weird.

I never watched this episode, yet, somehow, I knew it was South Park before clicking.

http://www.news.com.au/story/0,27574,25213217-23109,00.html



So, even this guy, who immigrated himself, says that immigrants aren't making enough of an effort to integrate. What do you have to say to that, NSG?

:hail: If only ALL immigrants had his attitude. I couldn't agree with him more.

:hail: If only ALL immigrants had his attitude. I couldn't agree with him more.

For a guy who hates his nation, Democracy, most of his countrymen, and the President, I don't think you have a leg to stand on re: "integration." Or have you come to grips with (reality) the USA yet?