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I'll see what I can do.

Aye, link it to the *chans or.... wherever this shit is being organised. I never paid much attention. Maybe it'll help the Ides have more of an effect on the hearts and minds of the fifth estate.

Aye, link it to the *chans or.... wherever this shit is being organised. I never paid much attention. Maybe it'll help the Ides have more of an effect on the hearts and minds of the fifth estate.

Go to Encyclopedia Dramatica and look up "Project Chanology"

Aye, link it to the *chans or.... wherever this shit is being organised. I never paid much attention. Maybe it'll help the Ides have more of an effect on the hearts and minds of the fifth estate.

Shit, I forgot about that. DON'T let the media define your message. Seriously, there are still parts of it that think a lite brite is a bomb hoax. But you have to get on the news or it didn't happen. Just don't leave it to them to figure out what's going on, because they will get it wrong. The internet confuses and frightens them.

Go to Encyclopedia Dramatica and look up "Project Chanology"

I just went there, it's kind of thin. The Chinese Dragon Long Cat was a funny idea, though.

Oh geez, this is...:headbang:

From this thread on Enturbulation (http://forums.enturbulation.org/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=3654):


So Anonymous has a spacedy fleet now? Or are minions of a spacedy fleet? Geez! :rolleyes:You KNOW Anon is going to have an absolute field day with this!


Yes, and here's our flagship. (http://images.encyclopediadramatica.com/images/thumb/d/d1/Longcat_ship.jpeg/331px-Longcat_ship.jpeg)

DC-3s! (or is it DC-10s, can't remember), they should bring models and 'floats' of those. That'd be some quality.

http://www.dailytech.com/Scientology+Takes+the+Fight+to+eBay/article10785.htm

Scientology is now fighting the free market.

http://www.dailytech.com/Scientology+Takes+the+Fight+to+eBay/article10785.htm

Scientology is now fighting the free market.

Oh, dear God. Not ebay! Do those monsters know no bounds? You know why there are so many Scientologists? Because they're too crazy for any good afterlifes and Satan sure as hell don't want them. Even the devil don't want them!

http://www.dailytech.com/Scientology+Takes+the+Fight+to+eBay/article10785.htm

Scientology is now fighting the free market.

See? This is what I'm talking about, I thought Feb 10th was just a convenient date, but it turns out-
Protests were held on February 10th, to commemorate the anniversary of Lisa McPherson's mysterious death in 1995, which some allege was the result of a carefully executed murder plot by the Church of Scientology. Scientology church officials denounced the group as "pathetic" and "cyber-terrorists."
and I was there. It's not enough that you all understand why you're there, you have to make sure the average idiot understands (granting that at least this guy knew, so it's not like it didn't get out at all.)

DC-3s! (or is it DC-10s, can't remember), they should bring models and 'floats' of those. That'd be some quality.

DC-8

http://www.dailytech.com/Scientology+Takes+the+Fight+to+eBay/article10785.htm

Scientology is now fighting the free market.
They seem to have missed this stellar item so far:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=110226269414#description

Fergi America;13472258']They seem to have missed this stellar item so far:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=110226269414#description

If that's Tommy's personal eMeter how will the buyers know it hasn't burnt out from his closet radiation?

If that's Tommy's personal eMeter how will the buyers know it hasn't burnt out from his closet radiation?That's the risk they take for buying something from an unknown eBay seller!

And then there's this little detail...

You are bidding on an image of a REAL Scientology e-Meter.:D

http://www.dailytech.com/Scientology+Takes+the+Fight+to+eBay/article10785.htm

Scientology is now fighting the free market.
That isn't even remotely a violation of eBay's policies. It was a legally-bought item. Even the RIAA doesn't fight resale of its legally-bought CDs.

*sigh*

That isn't even remotely a violation of eBay's policies. It was a legally-bought item. Even the RIAA doesn't fight resale of its legally-bought CDs.

*sigh*

Since when has legality and factual basis ever stopped the CoS lawyers from claiming "copyright infringement"?

That isn't even remotely a violation of eBay's policies. It was a legally-bought item. Even the RIAA doesn't fight resale of its legally-bought CDs.

*sigh*

They already lost that fight in the mid-90s when record stores started selling used CDs.

DeKalb (near Atlanta)'s police arrested the "leader" of the Anonymous protest in the March 15th protest.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_GK-9O8glU

Partyvan appears to indicate significant increases from the first protest: well OVER 9000! And there was some hostility from the coppers in Chicago and other places.

Oh Nooossesss! (http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/scientolulz)

So I haven't seen much about it on the news except for specifically searched stuff on youtube.

I think these guys (http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/hellojpg) could take down CoS....

Partyvan appears to indicate significant increases from the first protest: well OVER 9000! And there was some hostility from the coppers in Chicago and other places.

Yep, apparently there have been two arrests.

RhynoDD;13530943']Oh Nooossesss! (http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/scientolulz)
lol

I think these guys (http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/hellojpg) could take down CoS....
and lol...

Any news on how many protesters showed up this time around? Globally?

Any news on how many protesters showed up this time around? Globally?

Check this shit out:

http://www.partyvan.info/index.php/Project_Chanology/Raid_Archive/2008-03-15

lol


and lol...

I posted it for the lulz.

This is gonna get ugly. Scientology doesnt like it when people oppose them.

Yeah, they're pretty in with the NWO.

Still, it's a valiant effort and I approve 1111%.

Check this shit out:

http://www.partyvan.info/index.php/Project_Chanology/Raid_Archive/2008-03-15

:)

The protesters in my city sang a modified Never Gonna Give You Up (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZNeHj_GfGc) :D

And apparently Still Alive but I'm still looking for a video of that.

Check this shit out:

http://www.partyvan.info/index.php/Project_Chanology/Raid_Archive/2008-03-15

Partyvan is down. Think CoS had something to do with it?

There have been 3 arrests, 2 from the Gestapo in Alanta. And one in LA for "Terreist threats" (Flipped off a Scientologist at a protest and said if a Scientologist entered his home he would shoot them).



The Alanta police were complete jackbooters from what I heard.

They started out being nice, but when a what appeared to be the police chief walked back from the Scientology building they went Gestapo.

Arrested two people for ??? (Kept changing their mind on what they arrested them on, and didn't read them their rights either)
As for passerby?
If you honked your horn in support? You get a ticket.
If you slowed down to get a flier? You get a ticket.
You show any sort of support from your cars when driving by? A ticket.

Refuse to remove a mask? They arrest all of you.

They also had the Teargas launchers and the plastic cuffs showing.

The Chief kept constant contact with the CO$ people the whole time.
The whole thing stinks.

Partyvan is down. Think CoS had something to do with it?

It's up for me.

...Gestapo ... Gestapo..

I think you seriously need to do some significant reading-up on the vocab you sprout if you feel the methods you described bear significant resemblance to the ones employed by the former Gestapo.

"Terreist threats"

Now that's a strange charge indeed, and I'd love to hear what it entails.

Wait..... were you the one wearing the top hat?
No, I wasn't there. I wouldn't have been able to get into Dublin until about 7, and as I understood it the protest was going to be over by then.

Los Angeles Anonymous had a friggin' air raid at their protest, apparently XD
http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/4792/lollercaust19copyuw1.jpg

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I'm thinking a certain police officer must've gotten bribed or really hates protesters of any kind.

This 'anonymous' sounds like Pope Pius in the 1100's calling for the end of Islam, starting The Crusades. and look how that ended up.

since The Scientologists think that Humans were made when a Alien named Xenu Put apes into Volcanoes, I think that who Anonymous is or are might thing the whole group are Aliens.

aka, the person or people are xenophobic (Fear of Aliens)

and they are also Nuts, more like Nazis then humans.

Partyvan is down. Think CoS had something to do with it?
Nah, it just gets overloaded every now and then do to the high demands from the CoS raid.

*snip*
Supposedly, there may be connections that will probably be uncovered in court.

Los Angeles Anonymous had a friggin' air raid at their protest, apparently XD
http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/4792/lollercaust19copyuw1.jpg
That is fucking awesome.

I'm thinking a certain police officer must've gotten bribed or really hates protesters of any kind.
Yeah, there are either connections or hatred of protests. Supposedly, they've gone after other protests in a similar manner. If they're saying no permit is needed and then saying one is needed. That's close to, if not, entrapment.

The protesters in my city sang a modified Never Gonna Give You Up (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZNeHj_GfGc) :D

And apparently Still Alive but I'm still looking for a video of that.

Wow. That's kinda neat, except they were so offkey. XD

For the second time, I was prevented from showing up by a major paper deadline. No way in hell I'm missing the April protest.

Los Angeles Anonymous had a friggin' air raid at their protest, apparently XD
http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/4792/lollercaust19copyuw1.jpg

Could be a shop.

Nah, it just gets overloaded every now and then do to the high demands from the CoS raid.


Supposedly, there may be connections that will probably be uncovered in court.


That is fucking awesome.


Yeah, there are either connections or hatred of protests. Supposedly, they've gone after other protests in a similar manner. If they're saying no permit is needed and then saying one is needed. That's close to, if not, entrapment.

Was Atlanta the city that had the problem with that then? Because I remember reading about a group being told that they didn't need a permit and then being harassed by the fuzz for not having one.

Could be a shop.
Yeah, it is. That sucks. I wonder how much that costs... I'd so pay for one of those.

Yup. They had a weekend get-together up here Saturday morning. I was sleeping in and watching Star Trek TNG. They didn't make our news, really.

Could be a shop.

I can confirm that it is not a shop- I saw the plane over downtown with my own eyes. Wish I'd had my camera with me at the time. There was truly an airplane overhead. Fox News got some footage of it too, I think.

I can confirm that it is not a shop- I saw the plane over downtown with my own eyes. Wish I'd had my camera with me at the time. There was truly an airplane overhead. Fox News got some footage of it too, I think.
Ok then. Awesome!

Scientology registered http://www.anonymous-exposed.org, but forgot one HUGE thing: http://www.anonymousexposed.org (which was registered after the Scientology one if you didn't realize...)

Scientology registered http://www.anonymous-exposed.org, but forgot one HUGE thing: http://www.anonymousexposed.org (which was registered after the Scientology one if you didn't realize...)

Epic.

Win.

I don't see what /b/ has to do with it but if they have a hand in it then it wouldn't be the first time and it will certainly be interesting. Otherwise, I dismiss it as just another boast, this is the internet, everybody has heard different stories and most of the time they end up being lies.

more like Nazis then humans.

Ok, that was way out of line. Nazis were just as human as you, possibly more so. Their leaders were bad but Nazi soldiers and most politicians were just regular people, hardly sub-human.

I don't see what /b/ has to do with it but if they have a hand in it then it wouldn't be the first time and it will certainly be interesting. Otherwise, I dismiss it as just another boast, this is the internet, everybody has heard different stories and most of the time they end up being lies.
What are you talking about exactly? /b/ isn't running this. It is part of it though. Also, there have been two protests already, each with over 7000 people.

This 'anonymous' sounds like Pope Pius in the 1100's calling for the end of Islam, starting The Crusades. and look how that ended up.
Except Islam is a religion and Scientology is a cult/business. Also, the pope was a leader of something, anonymous is something.

aka, the person or people are xenophobic (Fear of Aliens)
I just realized that Xenu may have come from Xenos or whatever the Greek is...interesting...

Ok, that was way out of line. Nazis were just as human as you, possibly more so. Their leaders were bad but Nazi soldiers and most politicians were just regular people, hardly sub-human.
His post made little to no sense, but I think he was referring to Scientology...

Epic.

Win.

$cientology is the Gift That Keeps On Giving for Anonymous. Because $cientology is pathologically unable to ignore criticisms and attacks against it until interest dies down.

$cientology is the Gift That Keeps On Giving for Anonymous. Because $cientology is pathologically unable to ignore criticisms and attacks against it until interest dies down.

You have no idea how hard I laughed when I heard that Co$ got youtube to pull the Anon vids. Apparently they didn't learn the first time.

You have no idea how hard I laughed when I heard that Co$ got youtube to pull the Anon vids. Apparently they didn't learn the first time.

If they had the ability to learn, do you think they'd have even done anything to raise the ire of Anon by pulling the original videos?

If they had the ability to learn, do you think they'd have even done anything to raise the ire of Anon by pulling the original videos?

$cientology has much in common with jihadis. Both can be guaranteed to respond to criticism or insult in an ass-backwards manner that only invites ridicule and more provocations from their enemies, real and perceived.

Well, I'm not a huge fan of Anonymous, given all the bigotry that seems to crop up there not to mention all the violent porn on 4chan and similar image boards.

Epic.

Win.

Lol, anonymous leaders.

When will hierarchies learn that there is such a thing as autonomous groups?

Well, I'm not a huge fan of Anonymous, given all the bigotry that seems to crop up there not to mention all the violent porn on 4chan and similar image boards.

Well yes, there is that. However, consider this: there is bigotry and hypocrisy around NSG. That doesn't mean good points cannot be raised by its members. Also consider, 4chan, among the other residences of Anon, should not usually be taken seriously, so a lot of its bigotry and hypocrisy should not be taken at face value.

Well, I'm not a huge fan of Anonymous, given all the bigotry that seems to crop up there not to mention all the violent porn on 4chan and similar image boards.
Very little of that is serious. They're all trolls. Even I post racist crap all the time and don't even recognize race as even existing. Also, please note that there is no there for Anonymous. It's the collective will of the internet. The real internet, not soccer moms and grannies who just check their email and newsgroups.

Well yes, there is that. However, consider this: there is bigotry and hypocrisy around NSG. That doesn't mean good points cannot be raised by its members. Also consider, 4chan, among the other residences of Anon, should not usually be taken seriously, so a lot of its bigotry and hypocrisy should not be taken at face value.
Yes, as I said, little of it is real. They just like stirring up trouble.

Very little of that is serious. They're all trolls. Even I post racist crap all the time and don't even recognize race as even existing. Also, please note that there is no there for Anonymous. It's the collective will of the internet. The real internet, not soccer moms and grannies who just check their email and newsgroups.

Yeah, but I do see plenty of passages on their wikis and some boards that sound pretty damn serious, much longer and detailed than the typical short "No U stoopid Niggre!!!!" trolls. I have seen threads and posts in the past forcefully arguing that African Americans are less intelligent and more criminal than white people, not to mention links to real anti-feminist sites and admissions of opposition to gay rights.

Forgive me if this was mentioned before, but:

In all honesty, what can a forum of anonymous users actually do to an (unfortunately) established and very well-entrenched, and very real, organization?

Forgive me if this was mentioned before, but:

In all honesty, what can a forum of anonymous users actually do to an (unfortunately) established and very well-entrenched, and very real, organization?

The worst thing it can do against a secretive cult group who actively attack all detractors through legal and illegal actions. Expose it.

The worst thing it can do against a secretive cult group who actively attack all detractors through legal and illegal actions. Expose it.

Again, forgive me. But has this not already been done, and nobody can really do anything about it? Aren't there hundreds of youtube videos decrying the injustices of scientology, and isn't there a multitude of fact sites/educational videos that use pretty damning material against the Cult of Cruise?

Or does exposing something entail something much more?

I bet Tom Cruise is hiding under his bed right now!

Again, forgive me. But has this not already been done, and nobody can really do anything about it? Aren't there hundreds of youtube videos decrying the injustices of scientology, and isn't there a multitude of fact sites/educational videos that use pretty damning material against the Cult of Cruise?

Or does exposing something entail something much more?

You see, there are two strengths that anonymous has that until now, were not present in Scientology's detractors.

First and foremost, is its anonymity. Anonymous has no leadership, no central organizing structure. Yes, anonymous does meet in 4chan and its like, but that is just a meeting ground. If 4chan were to vanish, they would find another meeting ground just as easily as you could put on a pair of pants.

Anonymous is an idea. And you can't kill or suppress an idea. But more than an idea, it is, from a social perspective, the collective will, opinions and feelings of the internet and everyone connected to it. Literally anyone can be Anonymous. You, me, Bill Gates, heck, even Osama Bin Laden and G.W. Bush could be an Anonymous.

And Scientology can't fight back against something like that. That doesn't mean they don't try, but their inability to understand such a concept, proven by their usual "Anonymous is a terrorist group with leaders" rants, only serves to further inspire Anonymous. See what happened when the Tom Cruise video got pulled down by CoS? And still they do not learn. Because they can't. Their entire dogma insists on someone to attack, that they are never wrong, and that their detractors are enemies to be destroyed.

It is like fighting a hydra.

This brings us to the next point. Anonymous has grown into something more than a mere internet phenomenon of posters, youtube uploaders and website operators. Anonymous has actively begun real world protests, information distribution campaigns, counter operations towards CoS intimidation tactics (although admittedly this is only against said tactics used on them), and spreading awareness among the average person who knows little about Scientology.

The more people become aware of the true nature of Scientology, the less influence it wields. By starving it of support, recruits and funds from the gullible, Scientology will gradually lose its ability to suppress critics, and gradually collapse.

Yeah, but I do see plenty of passages on their wikis and some boards that sound pretty damn serious, much longer and detailed than the typical short "No U stoopid Niggre!!!!" trolls. I have seen threads and posts in the past forcefully arguing that African Americans are less intelligent and more criminal than white people, not to mention links to real anti-feminist sites and admissions of opposition to gay rights.
They're just very good, professional trolls. They like pissing people off. I personally led a raid on a feminist website that had a poll: "Is America ready for a female president?" It went from 125 Yes 35 No to 130 Yes 200+ No. Some of it also is memes. People will repeatedly post the same racist rant over and over.

Forgive me if this was mentioned before, but:

In all honesty, what can a forum of anonymous users actually do to an (unfortunately) established and very well-entrenched, and very real, organization?
It's not a forum of anonymous users. It's people from several websites thot have gathered together for a cause. For great justice! What they can do is expose it to average people like they are doing with the protests. Slowly, it will crumble.

Again, forgive me. But has this not already been done, and nobody can really do anything about it? Aren't there hundreds of youtube videos decrying the injustices of scientology, and isn't there a multitude of fact sites/educational videos that use pretty damning material against the Cult of Cruise?

Or does exposing something entail something much more?
Sure, it's out there, but who really know about it. I didn't have a clue about how evil $cientology was until all this came out. I thought it was just a little cult or something. There also really wasn't that much out there and it wasn't that well known. Even now, a lot of people still don't know how evil this corporate cult really is.

*mynationsallgetdeleted flagged as possible $cientology agent/plant*

Yeah, but I do see plenty of passages on their wikis and some boards that sound pretty damn serious, much longer and detailed than the typical short "No U stoopid Niggre!!!!" trolls. I have seen threads and posts in the past forcefully arguing that African Americans are less intelligent and more criminal than white people, not to mention links to real anti-feminist sites and admissions of opposition to gay rights.

Be aware that everyone is entitled to their opinions, regardless of how racist, sexist, or bigoted they are. Remember, NSG has such people. Not everyone is like that, which is especially true of Anon. It is an entity of trolls: they all talk like that, few actually mean it. Those that do are still entitled to their opinions.

Which is, in fact, what the protest against COS is about. Anon has nothing against the religion itself, and has repeatedly said that everyone has the right to believe whatever they want, even if that means they believe in Xenu and thetans and so on. What Anon objects to is the questionable practices of the church as an organized entity.

Bigoted, hateful people Anon are, but they don't ruin peoples lives like COS does.

And Scientology can't fight back against something like that.
Well, yes, it can, although not in the traditional way.

Scientology is a target of Anonymous because the majority of Anon believes in freedom of information, which CoS has attempted to repress, and because CoS takes itself too darn seriously.

Were CoS to hold counter-protests at Anon events, instead of hiding behind closed windows with video cameras; distribute pamphlets that make claims about Anon in similar ways that Anon pamphlets make claims about CoS; /i/ some Anon sites or IRC channels; make information about the organisation public or at least easily accessible, to prevent anything from being "leaked" as there would be no purpose in doing so; -- in short, if they fought Anonymous on its own territory instead of trying to keep to their own personal high ground, and stopped attempting to suppress information that would in many cases be revealed anyway, CoS would have a much better chance of "winning".

I recommend investing in some L. Ron masks and memorizing a few of those internet memes for starters. And there are plenty of free IRC clients.

Of course, it's unlikely that any representative of CoS will ever read this post, and even if they do, it's more likely that they will use it to attempt to track down my home address and mail me a cease and desist order, but that in my opinion is the primary problem with that organisation.

but they don't ruin peoples lives like COS does.
Unless they make you buy a dog. ;)

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Eh...Anonymous has nothing to hide. Nothing to expose. They aren't criminal or deceitful like Co$. So, playing the same tactics won't do anything. They've already made videos and stuff about Anonymous threatening them with death threat,s bomb threats, white powder. They don't realize that if that is Anonymous, it's one part, not all. And some of that shit isn't even real. I doubt most of the bomb threats and powders are anything except Co$ trying to make itself a "victim" as it usually does.

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That's what I'm saying, though. Rather than calling for information to be suppressed or people to be arrested, CoS should be making information available and public, and refer to Anon truthfully as a bunch of bored, unruly kids (well, ok, "people largely under the age of 30") rather than falsely as terrorists and hackers, et cetera.

Going public will have the effect of making Anonymous look rather foolish; that is, if indeed the CoS has been mostly honest and aboveboard in its dealings. It will probably stop the protests, blackfaxes and prank calls. Those who actually believe in Scientology will continue to give money to the organisation anyway. CoS doesn't have to pay any expensive court fees and doesn't get a bad name with sysadmins for insisting they take down sites they disagree with. Anon goes back to trolling multiplayer online games as there is little more lulz to achieve from trolling CoS. Everyone wins?

The one thing Anon does have to hide is the personal identities of its members. COS has a history of tracking down dissenters and making their life less than pleasant. It's built in to their creedo "blah blah when you learn the secret knowledge before you're supposed to, you die...of pneumonia...or other causes..."

And let's face it, many members of Anon don't particularly realize the legal seriousness of calling someone and telling them they are going to kill them. Anyone else would dismiss the threat for what it is: empty and stupid shenanigans. But COS is somewhat more vicious and will report the threat at face value just to get said anon in trouble.

Not to mention Anonymous has been decrying illegal methods and outing supporters of them as being either "Sciplants" or otherwise not part of the movement. It's quite surprising how fast Anonymous overall seems to have dropped the juvenile prank calls and DDoS stuff since Mark Bunker aka "Wise Beard Man" gave the group a great big "UR DOIN IT WRONG!"

Additionally, CoS's prior tactics of intimidation require the target to be somewhat isolated and unable to garner support and interest. They've been well able to handle small groups of people in the past... but thousands of people worldwide isn't something they're wired to cope with. The fact they keep insisting Anonymous has leaders shows how clueless they are. They NEED to have a leader to target- the single point of failure that will slay the monster. And Anonymous doesn't have that, and will never fit into their narrow operating view. Any Anon that gets "namefagged" and Fair Gamed... they aren't shutting up, they're blasting the information about it all over the Net.

CoS antics are going to start looking less and less like "a few bad apples" and more like "a consistent pattern of behavior" now that they're trying this crap against a horde of thousands instead of just a few easily identified critics. It's one thing to claim a couple of critics getting harassed is just a few lone people acting on their own. It's quite another when you get a deluge of reports, complete with video/audio documentation of ongoing patterns of questionably legal stalking and harassment.

I have no doubt that any Anons that get Fair Gamed will be able to, through their sheer numbers, turn it to THEIR advantage. All CoS is doing by trying their usual tactics against Anonymous is 1) creating a pile of evidence for Anon to use against CoS, and 2) creating martyrs for the cause. The hydra analogy has already been mentioned, but it's true- for every person they DO identify and harass... that's not going to intimidate the rest, it's just going to piss them off.

Plus the CoS has already made about as dire a mistake as humanly possible, in poisoning an Anon's cat. A cat named, ironically enough, "Mudkips"

Plus the CoS has already made about as dire a mistake as humanly possible, in poisoning an Anon's cat. A cat named, ironically enough, "Mudkips"

Eh?

Scientology drove Tom Cruise madder than he already was. Take a look and cringe.:eek:

http://www.imagemole.com/img/t1tom_cruise_oprah.jpg

Not to mention Anonymous has been decrying illegal methods and outing supporters of them as being either "Sciplants" or otherwise not part of the movement. It's quite surprising how fast Anonymous overall seems to have dropped the juvenile prank calls and DDoS stuff since Mark Bunker aka "Wise Beard Man" gave the group a great big "UR DOIN IT WRONG!"

Additionally, CoS's prior tactics of intimidation require the target to be somewhat isolated and unable to garner support and interest. They've been well able to handle small groups of people in the past... but thousands of people worldwide isn't something they're wired to cope with. The fact they keep insisting Anonymous has leaders shows how clueless they are. They NEED to have a leader to target- the single point of failure that will slay the monster. And Anonymous doesn't have that, and will never fit into their narrow operating view. Any Anon that gets "namefagged" and Fair Gamed... they aren't shutting up, they're blasting the information about it all over the Net.

CoS antics are going to start looking less and less like "a few bad apples" and more like "a consistent pattern of behavior" now that they're trying this crap against a horde of thousands instead of just a few easily identified critics. It's one thing to claim a couple of critics getting harassed is just a few lone people acting on their own. It's quite another when you get a deluge of reports, complete with video/audio documentation of ongoing patterns of questionably legal stalking and harassment.

I have no doubt that any Anons that get Fair Gamed will be able to, through their sheer numbers, turn it to THEIR advantage. All CoS is doing by trying their usual tactics against Anonymous is 1) creating a pile of evidence for Anon to use against CoS, and 2) creating martyrs for the cause. The hydra analogy has already been mentioned, but it's true- for every person they DO identify and harass... that's not going to intimidate the rest, it's just going to piss them off.

Plus the CoS has already made about as dire a mistake as humanly possible, in poisoning an Anon's cat. A cat named, ironically enough, "Mudkips"

The very tenets of $cientology mandates the harassment and destruction of all critics. Like a hive of bees, they can't do anything besides try to sting. Ignoring a problem until it goes away due to lack of interest is not an option granted to them by LRH. Anonymous is exploiting this, mining the largest vein of lulz they have ever struck. Harassing MMORPGs might even lack in flavor after this, like a coke addict trying out pot again.

Apparently two guys that organized the Los Angeles event got outted by CoS. One was arrested on bogus charges of making death threats (apparently he posted that he owns guns and if anybody tried to break into his house to fair game him, he would defend himself.)

http://forums.enturbulation.org/showthread.php?t=5249
http://forums.enturbulation.org/showthread.php?t=4531

One of the guys took care of a semi-feral cat that he named Mudkips. Somebody put ammonia in the cat's food- all that anybody found was bloody cat vomit and the poisoned food.

Now, given how much Anonymous loves cats and likes Mudkips, it's not a big leap of logic to figure this is not going to go over well with the faceless horde. Or at least the 4chan and /b/ portions of the new Anonymous.

The fact they keep insisting Anonymous has leaders shows how clueless they are. They NEED to have a leader to target- the single point of failure that will slay the monster. And Anonymous doesn't have that, and will never fit into their narrow operating view.

back during the brief soaring heights of the global justice movement, the authorities were literally baffled by our anarchist/anarchistic organizing methods. eventually they had to settle on holding international meetings on inaccessible islands and in countries that just shoot protesters.

Anonymous is exploiting this, mining the largest vein of lulz they have ever struck. Harassing MMORPGs might even lack in flavor after this, like a coke addict trying out pot again.

See, this is what scares me. What is Anon going to do when they learn they actually have political and social sway?

in short, if they fought Anonymous on its own territory instead of trying to keep to their own personal high ground

They've tried. Scientology has been noted to have created several websites passing off false information regarding Anonymous as well as distribute propaganda. The problem is that this is Anonymous territory, and they can defend it far better than Scientology can.

Even the protest groups have noted Scientology plants who attempted to cause trouble. They were quickly identified, in some cases resulting in people with signs going "This is a Scientologist" following the plants.

I bet Tom Cruise is hiding under his bed right now!

No.No.No. In the closet.

They've tried. Scientology has been noted to have created several websites passing off false information regarding Anonymous as well as distribute propaganda. The problem is that this is Anonymous territory, and they can defend it far better than Scientology can.

Even the protest groups have noted Scientology plants who attempted to cause trouble. They were quickly identified, in some cases resulting in people with signs going "This is a Scientologist" following the plants.

though you have to be careful about that - snitch-jacketing is also an effective technique for destroying effective activists and organizers. just look at how effective that aspect of cointelpro was against the american indian movement.

No.No.No. In the closet.

He's hopping on a bed-couch inside his closet!

No.No.No. In the closet.

I was just standing here when Tom Cruise locked himself in the closet...

http://youtube.com/watch?v=ho-A19fnKBc

though you have to be careful about that - snitch-jacketing is also an effective technique for destroying effective activists and organizers. just look at how effective that aspect of cointelpro was against the american indian movement.

If this was the FBI doing it, yeah, they might be able to get it done right. But this isn't the FBI, this is CoS. Their plants are painfully obvious.

That's what I'm saying, though. Rather than calling for information to be suppressed or people to be arrested, CoS should be making information available and public, and refer to Anon truthfully as a bunch of bored, unruly kids (well, ok, "people largely under the age of 30") rather than falsely as terrorists and hackers, et cetera.

Going public will have the effect of making Anonymous look rather foolish; that is, if indeed the CoS has been mostly honest and aboveboard in its dealings. It will probably stop the protests, blackfaxes and prank calls. Those who actually believe in Scientology will continue to give money to the organisation anyway. CoS doesn't have to pay any expensive court fees and doesn't get a bad name with sysadmins for insisting they take down sites they disagree with. Anon goes back to trolling multiplayer online games as there is little more lulz to achieve from trolling CoS. Everyone wins?
If Co$ made their info public, they would be destroyed. They'd lose their tax exempt status, they'd be investigated for an innumerable amount of crimes ranging from harassment to murder. The people would realize what a joke an scam it is. You don't understand what they have done and do. When that is exposed, they are finished. And no, people would not keep paying. It's just too much to be worth it. The Pope didn't pay anything to get where he is, so why would people believe that you need to pay to go far.

The one thing Anon does have to hide is the personal identities of its members. COS has a history of tracking down dissenters and making their life less than pleasant. It's built in to their creedo "blah blah when you learn the secret knowledge before you're supposed to, you die...of pneumonia...or other causes..."

And let's face it, many members of Anon don't particularly realize the legal seriousness of calling someone and telling them they are going to kill them. Anyone else would dismiss the threat for what it is: empty and stupid shenanigans. But COS is somewhat more vicious and will report the threat at face value just to get said anon in trouble.
A lot of those death threats and powderings are probably Co$-origin. They have been known to do that before.

Plus the CoS has already made about as dire a mistake as humanly possible, in poisoning an Anon's cat. A cat named, ironically enough, "Mudkips"
LMFAO!! Not the whole poisoning part...just a cat named mudkips ROFL! Oh and yes that is a fatal error.

mining the largest vein of lulz they have ever struck
Definitely quotable and has a use somewhere on one of the boards...

Now, given how much Anonymous loves cats and likes Mudkips, it's not a big leap of logic to figure this is not going to go over well with the faceless horde. Or at least the 4chan and /b/ portions of the new Anonymous.
Hell yeah! Interesting stories there. I'm reading the 7-pager.

See, this is what scares me. What is Anon going to do when they learn they actually have political and social sway?
Interesting idea...

Right now, I'd say that Anonymous is winning. CoS doesn't know how to fight them. Nobody does.

We've been talking about how CoS can't defeat Anonymous. Is there any way that Anonymous could destroy the Church of Scientology?

Right now, I'd say that Anonymous is winning. CoS doesn't know how to fight them. Nobody does.

We've been talking about how CoS can't defeat Anonymous. Is there any way that Anonymous could destroy the Church of Scientology?
Primarily by exposing them to the general public and getting their tax exempt status removed so they are relegated down to the ranks of ragtag cults that prey on college students and have like 50 members. It could be destroyed if no one joins it and all the members die out...

So anyone know if any of the groups took my suggestions?

Rickrolled!!! Just pretend intro doesnt exist http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EeuEMeg8eQE

Rickrolled!!! Just pretend intro doesnt exist http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EeuEMeg8eQE

Nice.

So anyone know if any of the groups took my suggestions?
What suggestions...

Rickrolled!!! Just pretend intro doesnt exist http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EeuEMeg8eQE
DUDE HOLY SHIT THAT'S FUCKING EPIC WINNAR TO OT7!!!! Wow Jesus Christ that's great. Well done to those involved. I'll have to crawl around to see if this was mentioned on "the boards".

See, this is what scares me. What is Anon going to do when they learn they actually have political and social sway?

...

Oh god NO.

*trembles*

Honestly, I doubt Anonymous could really do that much politically. All Anonymous can do is raise awareness as Anonymous have done and ONLY when there is sufficient lulz and profit to get.

Honestly, I doubt Anonymous could really do that much politically. All Anonymous can do is raise awareness as Anonymous have done and ONLY when there is sufficient lulz and profit to get.

All you need to do is link the shooting down of net neutrality to an attack on the net for 4chan, and maybe unearth a few scandals to be tossed towards them, fan a few fires and...

...

Oh god NO.

*trembles*

Exactly.

I will be afraid of Anonymous if they win. But I still want them to take COS down. Lose-lose, I suppose.

All you need to do is link the shooting down of net neutrality to an attack on the net for 4chan, and maybe unearth a few scandals to be tossed towards them, fan a few fires and...
Well yes, anything that infringes on our internet rights would be utterly destroyed.

Well yes, anything that infringes on our internet rights would be utterly destroyed.

So wait till CoS is done for, then when Anon is looking for new lulz, the shooting down of net neutrality is up next.

Well yes, anything that infringes on our internet rights would be utterly destroyed.

DDoS attack on the pentagon.

That would actually be amusing to watch. The pentagon would win, but damn would it take effort. And a bunch of Anon people would probably end up with mysterious government jobs. Which is perhaps just as scary as them knowing they have political and social power.

DDoS attack on the pentagon.

That would actually be amusing to watch. The pentagon would win, but damn would it take effort. And a bunch of Anon people would probably end up with mysterious government jobs. Which is perhaps just as scary as them knowing they have political and social power.

What if... the CIA ECHELON branch IS Anon?

What if... the CIA ECHELON branch IS Anon?

That would make my roommate a CIA agent. And seeing as how he is also a /b/tard, that idea scares me more than any previously mentioned.


/b/tards should not be CIA agents.

That would make my roommate a CIA agent. And seeing as how he is also a /b/tard, that idea scares me more than any previously mentioned.


/b/tards should not be CIA agents.

Maybe /b/ is their proving grounds.

Maybe /b/ is their proving grounds.

I'm sure there's some law against that somewhere. Cruel and unusual punishment should cover it.

I'm sure there's some law against that somewhere. Cruel and unusual punishment should cover it.

Only if it's punishment, and not training/live fire exercises/programming.

Only if it's punishment, and not training/live fire exercises/programming.

Fair enough.


Remind me never to join the CIA.

They could declare war on Indonesia? They just outlawed internet porn, which probably includes 4chan.

I think that Anonymous could consider this an act of war.

*imagines /b/tards sacking Jakarta*

Anyway, in all seriousness, this could have real consequences down the road. Anonymous could act as the voice and sword of the Internet. They could have a very real impact on issues like net neutrality.

Scientologists, what have you done?

Also, I think this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-063clxiB8I) video puts a nail in the coffin of the theory that Anonymous will eventually get bored and move on.

It is a list of 22 rules for Anonymous demonstrators. I would seriously recommend this video to anyone planning any kind of public demonstration - a lot of these rules are good ones. Some are unique to Anonymous (such as masks), but most are general rules for public demonstrations.

Also, I think this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-063clxiB8I) video puts a nail in the coffin of the theory that Anonymous will eventually get bored and move on.

It is a list of 22 rules for Anonymous demonstrators. I would seriously recommend this video to anyone planning any kind of public demonstration - a lot of these rules are good ones. Some are unique to Anonymous (such as masks), but most are general rules for public demonstrations.

I think it's important to remember that while Anon includes /b/, Anon has, for the purposes of this movement, grown beyond the chans. Sure, /b/ elements and influences are strong, how could they not be? The point is that the group that has grown into the force is not centered on the lulz.

Scientologists, what have you done?

Killed dozens of people, ruined thousands of lives, built a multi-million dollar international business that operates under the guise of a religion (in some countries with tax-exemption), nearly perfected the science of brainwashing, and orchestrated the largest infiltration of the US government to date.

Killed dozens of people, ruined thousands of lives, built a multi-million dollar international business that operates under the guise of a religion (in some countries with tax-exemption), nearly perfected the science of brainwashing, and orchestrated the largest infiltration of the US government to date.

Your self-righteous diatribe will not detract faithful eyes from one fact that not only excuses, not just justifies, but fucking MANDATES everything you accuse them of:

Without Scientology, there would be no hope of a sequel to Battlefield Earth.


The subversion of human autonomy itself to the fictions of a blatantly fraudulent bastard is a small price to pay for such a fine picture.

Fine, fine picture.

Your self-righteous diatribe will not detract faithful eyes from one fact that not only excuses, not just justifies, but fucking MANDATES everything you excuse them of:

Without Scientology, there would be no hope of a sequel to Battlefield Earth.


The subversion of human autonomy itself to the fictions of a blatantly fraudulent bastard is a small price to pay for such a fine picture.

Fine, fine picture.

John Travolta, is that you?

Killed dozens of people, ruined thousands of lives, built a multi-million dollar international business that operates under the guise of a religion (in some countries with tax-exemption), nearly perfected the science of brainwashing, and orchestrated the largest infiltration of the US government to date.

I was referring to them provoking Anonymous into becoming what it is.

John Travolta, is that you?

First of all, don't mock the 'Volta.

He's one of the Scientologists that actually CAN fly.

And if I was him, you'd be stewing in the envy of knowing that I lay next to Kelly Preston every night.

After that barely legal Puerto Rican boy goes back to his own room.

Your self-righteous diatribe will not detract faithful eyes from one fact that not only excuses, not just justifies, but fucking MANDATES everything you accuse them of:

Without Scientology, there would be no hope of a sequel to Battlefield Earth.


The subversion of human autonomy itself to the fictions of a blatantly fraudulent bastard is a small price to pay for such a fine picture.

Fine, fine picture.

OH LAWDY! I feel duh powah o' deh great leadeh Mistuh L. Ron Hubbard! Preach it, brothah!

I was referring to them provoking Anonymous into becoming what it is.

Quit excusing your obvious racism.

(Scientologists are a separate race because in the process of becoming clear, they create new and better realities.)


Yeah?

Well YOU don't make any sense!

OH LAWDY! I feel duh powah o' deh great leadeh Mistuh L. Ron Hubbard! Preach it, brothah!

L. Ron Hubbard is the greatest friend humanity ever had.


Suck the pipe, Jonas Salk!

Yeah?

Well YOU don't make any sense!

http://www.smbc-comics.com/comics/20080320.gif

Your self-righteous diatribe will not detract faithful eyes from one fact that not only excuses, not just justifies, but fucking MANDATES everything you accuse them of:

Without Scientology, there would be no hope of a sequel to Battlefield Earth.


The subversion of human autonomy itself to the fictions of a blatantly fraudulent bastard is a small price to pay for such a fine picture.

Fine, fine picture.

I'm going to assume sarcasm, since that movie had no redeeming qualities.

I'm going to assume sarcasm, since that movie had no redeeming qualities.

I like to compare it to Waterworld.

Horrible movie. But you like it anyways and you can't figure out why.

DDoS attack on the pentagon.

That would actually be amusing to watch. The pentagon would win, but damn would it take effort. And a bunch of Anon people would probably end up with mysterious government jobs. Which is perhaps just as scary as them knowing they have political and social power.

Which is nothing compared to the Epic Boss Fight that would be the Chinese Government.

I like to compare it to Waterworld.

Horrible movie. But you like it anyways and you can't figure out why.

Let's compare their scores on Rotten Tomatoes.

Waterworld? 38%. A bad score to be sure.

Battlefield Earth? 3%. 3 fucking percent. That's just unforgivable.

Now get me a chicken sandwich, and some waffle fries. For free!

I'm going to assume sarcasm, since that movie had no redeeming qualities.

I have no need to found my response on baseless assumption, since your statement proves that you are a suppressive person, a priori.

Way to bottom out the tone scale.

Quality is found only in one of the three approved methods for removing enturbulation from your theta.

Things like compelling story, plausible progression of said story, insightful dialogue, and dramatic renderings above the level of a watery green puddle of most likely dogshit have nothing to do with cinematic quality.

When you learn how to debate, come see me again.

Let's compare their scores on Rotten Tomatoes.

Waterworld? 38%. A bad score to be sure.

Battlefield Earth? 3%. 3 fucking percent. That's just unforgivable.

Now get me a chicken sandwich, and some waffle fries. For free!

First of all, your ham handed bandwagon fallacy isn't going to impress anyone here, despite the fact that it does illustrate that the film evidently failed to reach even the sort of tiny, niche audience that will like almost any shitty flagon of swill that gets greelit, canned, shipped, and shat onto a screen.

Facts don't win arguments, Geniasis, not on Teegeeack.

Which is nothing compared to the Epic Boss Fight that would be the Chinese Government.

I think they should try a couple other targets first, then take on China. Destroy their firewalls for epic lulz.

I have no need to found my response on baseless assumption, since your statement proves that you are a suppressive person, a priori.

Way to bottom out the tone scale.

Quality is found only in one of the three approved methods for removing enturbulation from your theta.

Things like compelling story, plausible progression of said story, insightful dialogue, and dramatic renderings above the level of a watery green puddle of most likely dogshit have nothing to do with cinematic quality.

When you learn how to debate, come see me again.

cAN'T YOU RECOGNIZE ONE OF YOUR OWN? i WAS SUPPOSED TO BE A UNDERCOVER, BUT YOU'VE BLOWN IT WITH YORU ACCUSATIONS!!!S1

Silly, silly. Don't you know your Xenu is total Hogwash? *wink wink*

cAN'T YOU RECOGNIZE ONE OF YOUR OWN? i WAS SUPPOSED TO BE A UNDERCOVER, BUT YOU'VE BLOWN IT WITH YORU ACCUSATIONS!!!S1

Silly, silly. Don't you know your Xenu is total Hogwash? *wink wink*

Sorry, I didn't realize you were Clear, I thought I saw a body thetan on you.

Have at thee, disbeliever!

Sorry, I didn't realize you were Clear, I thought I saw a body thetan on you.

Have at thee, disbeliever!

Clear? I'll have you know I'm at OT IV.

Clear? I'll have you know I'm at OT IV.

Great, by telling me that before I've paid- er, reached the appropriate levels to be exposed to the information, you've activated the S4 implant.

Now I have anal warts.



I don't like you.

Great, by telling me that before I've paid- er, reached the appropriate levels to be exposed to the information, you've activated the S4 implant.

Now I have anal warts.



I don't like you.

Nah, it's cool. For a small fee I can teach you how to take care of those. I'm authorized to do that, since I give a 110% cut of the proceeds to the church.

Nah, it's cool. For a small fee I can teach you how to take care of those. I'm authorized to do that, since I give a 110% cut of the proceeds to the church.

I hate to make an on-topic post, but your reference to the church's take brings something to mind.

The Co$ clearly has the resources to bring litigation, and I say that in the same sense with which one might say that a spastic colon may bring discomfort.

Is it possible to hire, contract, or bribe computer talent, "hackers" or whatever term the young people use, and send them as digital mercenaries, hi-tech Hessians if you will, to counter Anon?

Or are the computer ronin of these times unimpressed with the sordid bait of coin?

I hate to make an on-topic post, but your reference to the church's take brings something to mind.

The Co$ clearly has the resources to bring litigation, and I say that in the same sense with which one might say that a spastic colon may bring discomfort.

Is it possible to hire, contract, or bribe computer talent, "hackers" or whatever term the young people use, and send them as digital mercenaries, hi-tech Hessians if you will, to counter Anon?

Or are the computer ronin of these times unimpressed with the sordid bait of coin?

They could, and are. At one time, just after the declaration of Anon's war, 4chan taken down by a group known as Majestic. Anon has also recorded the usual base level harassment, possible CoS involvement in several cases of burglary, one suspected case of pet poisoning and more than a few "outs" where Anon members have been identified and named by CoS PIs who later put up the information on the net.

Interestingly, Anon members who have been outed and chose to fight back have created a sub group called Unanimous, and have implemented a support network for anti-harassment measures.

They could, and are. At one time, just after the declaration of Anon's war, 4chan taken down by a group known as Majestic. Anon has also recorded the usual base level harassment, possible CoS involvement in several cases of burglary, one suspected case of pet poisoning and more than a few "outs" where Anon members have been identified and named by CoS PIs who later put up the information on the net.

Interestingly, Anon members who have been outed and chose to fight back have created a sub group called Unanimous, and have implemented a support network for anti-harassment measures.

Fookin' blimey.

What's next, somebody takes over remote-instructed directional thrusters on a satellite and drops space shit on the other side?

This is why we need Mecha. Giant mecha.

See, this is what scares me. What is Anon going to do when they learn they actually have political and social sway?
Horribly late reply, but... :D

I don't think we actually have anything to fear from Anonymous as a politically powerful entity beyond the "war" on Scientology and other Net-related stuff. Remember one of the rules: "Not your personal army." In this instance, Anonymous stands against what is basically a universally accepted "bad guy"- almost a battle between a rag-tag group of rebels and a very nearly cartoonish supervillain.

I can't see any other likely cause that would pull such a vastly diverse group together like this. Anonymous probably counts people from nearly every social/ethnic/religious/political affiliation among its faceless horde. A group like that isn't likely going to start taking up causes left and right due to that diversity.

And regarding litigation.... you can't litigate people you can't identify. If CoS had the resources to effectively litigate Anons that HAVE been identified, people wouldn't be getting letters warning them in very vague "We can't actually make any legal claims so we're just going to try and sound scary to intimidate you from protesting" terms. They would be getting served court orders, if not outright targeted for stuff like Operation Freakout like they did to Paulette Cooper in like the 80s or so. CoS membership is dropping, recruitment is hitting abysmal lows... Despite their pet celebrities, I don't think they have nearly the clout that they used to. Even without Anon stepping up to the plate, I think CoS was already on its way out; the addition of the faceless hordes has only served to accelerate the process.

And regarding litigation.... you can't litigate people you can't identify. If CoS had the resources to effectively litigate Anons that HAVE been identified, people wouldn't be getting letters warning them in very vague "We can't actually make any legal claims so we're just going to try and sound scary to intimidate you from protesting" terms. They would be getting served court orders, if not outright targeted for stuff like Operation Freakout like they did to Paulette Cooper in like the 80s or so. CoS membership is dropping, recruitment is hitting abysmal lows... Despite their pet celebrities, I don't think they have nearly the clout that they used to. Even without Anon stepping up to the plate, I think CoS was already on its way out; the addition of the faceless hordes has only served to accelerate the process.

I wouldn't know about that. CoS apparently has enough resources to hire lots of PIs in order to trail and ID Anon protesters. The way I understand it, they haven't really been able to pin anyone they can classify as a ringleader whom they can throw their legal team at. If they could, you can bet they'd definitely be throwing whatever they can at them.

Also, the way I understand it, Anon protesters who have been identified have been subjected to low level Operation Freakout stuff like burgling people's houses and poisoning mudkips and making fake police reports against them. I imagine they haven't done the higher level stuff like framing people for presidential assassination plots because of the fallout of what happened the last time they did that.

So did spamming their website make the scientologists go away yet?

:jerking off hand motion:

Horribly late reply, but... :D

I don't think we actually have anything to fear from Anonymous as a politically powerful entity beyond the "war" on Scientology and other Net-related stuff. Remember one of the rules: "Not your personal army." In this instance, Anonymous stands against what is basically a universally accepted "bad guy"- almost a battle between a rag-tag group of rebels and a very nearly cartoonish supervillain.

I can't see any other likely cause that would pull such a vastly diverse group together like this. Anonymous probably counts people from nearly every social/ethnic/religious/political affiliation among its faceless horde. A group like that isn't likely going to start taking up causes left and right due to that diversity.

And regarding litigation.... you can't litigate people you can't identify. If CoS had the resources to effectively litigate Anons that HAVE been identified, people wouldn't be getting letters warning them in very vague "We can't actually make any legal claims so we're just going to try and sound scary to intimidate you from protesting" terms. They would be getting served court orders, if not outright targeted for stuff like Operation Freakout like they did to Paulette Cooper in like the 80s or so. CoS membership is dropping, recruitment is hitting abysmal lows... Despite their pet celebrities, I don't think they have nearly the clout that they used to. Even without Anon stepping up to the plate, I think CoS was already on its way out; the addition of the faceless hordes has only served to accelerate the process.

Some have suggested that they might work on supporting net neutrality.

Or, once they get big enough, go after countries that make laws restricting the Internet. Anonymous could probably shred China's censorship programs.

Well, I hadn't heard anything about burgleries, but that the stuff they're trying to pin on IDed Anons really is not sticking really well- like it's meant more to intimidate people (usual CoS method of operation.) However, from stuff I've read from the IDed Anons, they're not running scared. One guy over on the Enturbulation forum actually said he wanted to get a nice frame and display his "cease and desist" letter as a badge of honor.

Seems to me CoS is trying to bully Anonymous.... without realizing that the biggset bully of all IS Anonymous. Final Boss of the Intertubes and all that.

It could be interesting to see if Anonymous continues in activist stuff after CoS goes down. The Net Neutrality would be a likely enough target, and the idea of Joe Public Anons taking down a screwed up foreign government via the Internet and spread of information is certainly a fascinating scenario to consider.

It could be interesting to see if Anonymous continues in activist stuff after CoS goes down. The Net Neutrality would be a likely enough target, and the idea of Joe Public Anons taking down a screwed up foreign government via the Internet and spread of information is certainly a fascinating scenario to consider.

Arnt moderators tested for delusions of grandeur before they get thier jobs? Anon is a fleabite on the ass of CoS and thats all they can ever be. CoS has people donating 10 million dollars in a single donation to thier cause. Anon has cute masks, some insider songs, pastries and a funny website and a few thousand supporters scattered around the planet. Thats it. There is a virtually endless supply of suckers that cant wait to give thier money away fast enough for any cause and there is nothing in the Universe that Anon or anyone else can do about it.

Arnt moderators tested for delusions of grandeur before they get thier jobs? Anon is a fleabite on the ass of CoS and thats all they can ever be. CoS has people donating 10 million dollars in a single donation to thier cause. Anon has cute masks, some insider songs, pastries and a funny website and a few thousand supporters scattered around the planet. Thats it. There is a virtually endless supply of suckers that cant wait to give thier money away fast enough for any cause and there is nothing in the Universe that Anon or anyone else can do about it.

I agree and disagree with this. True, I think Anons efforts are waisted on CoS, there is nothing they can do. However, anon (or at least originally) are more an Internet pressure then a real life one. The number of potential anons too lazy to go out and protest but able to run a DDOS program on their comp numbers in the hundreds of thousands, some estimate millions. This can put enormous pressure on websites and if you're not rich enough like Scientology to afford expensive servers (but even CoS sites were taken down), it has the power to easily take down websites and has done so to Nazi supremacist sites for example. So you shouldn't completely dismiss the power of anonymous.

, it has the power to easily take down websites and has done so to Nazi supremacist sites for example. So you shouldn't completely dismiss the power of anonymous.

Well to be fair, i did mention a fleabite ;)

Anon, while their effort is commendable, is pushing back the incoming tide with a plastic bucket. The combined man hours and resources gathered to this Quixotic quest vs CoS would be better used at a homeless shelter or combining resources to build a row of low income housing or something else that would help people that didnt bring the problem on themselves in the first place.

Anyway, in all seriousness, this could have real consequences down the road. Anonymous could act as the voice and sword of the Internet. They could have a very real impact on issues like net neutrality.

Scientologists, what have you done?
Heaven forbid they should enforce net neutrality...

I hate to make an on-topic post, but your reference to the church's take brings something to mind.

The Co$ clearly has the resources to bring litigation, and I say that in the same sense with which one might say that a spastic colon may bring discomfort.

Is it possible to hire, contract, or bribe computer talent, "hackers" or whatever term the young people use, and send them as digital mercenaries, hi-tech Hessians if you will, to counter Anon?

Or are the computer ronin of these times unimpressed with the sordid bait of coin?
Yes, but it won't do much. Anonymous has no set base of operations. If one was knocked off, another would pop up.

They could, and are. At one time, just after the declaration of Anon's war, 4chan taken down by a group known as Majestic. Anon has also recorded the usual base level harassment, possible CoS involvement in several cases of burglary, one suspected case of pet poisoning and more than a few "outs" where Anon members have been identified and named by CoS PIs who later put up the information on the net.

Interestingly, Anon members who have been outed and chose to fight back have created a sub group called Unanimous, and have implemented a support network for anti-harassment measures.
4chan wasn't taken down. It was another site I think. They later hacked the site of origin of the Co$ hackers and redid it. :)

Arnt moderators tested for delusions of grandeur before they get thier jobs? Anon is a fleabite on the ass of CoS and thats all they can ever be. CoS has people donating 10 million dollars in a single donation to thier cause. Anon has cute masks, some insider songs, pastries and a funny website and a few thousand supporters scattered around the planet. Thats it. There is a virtually endless supply of suckers that cant wait to give thier money away fast enough for any cause and there is nothing in the Universe that Anon or anyone else can do about it.
No, they have begun to expose the Cult to the general public, causing opinion to go more and more against the Cult. Before this, not many really knew what $cientology was or what it has done to people.

it has the power to easily take down websites and has done so to Nazi supremacist sites for example
How ironic when they are so "racist"...

Well to be fair, i did mention a fleabite ;)

Anon, while their effort is commendable, is pushing back the incoming tide with a plastic bucket. The combined man hours and resources gathered to this Quixotic quest vs CoS would be better used at a homeless shelter or combining resources to build a row of low income housing or something else that would help people that didnt bring the problem on themselves in the first place.
No, this cause is just as just. They are doing a wonderful job slowly bringing down the Cult. Besides, none of that stuff is even remotely appealing to most Anons. The Cult does more damage than poverty does. They have exposed it to millions of people like me who had no idea what the Cult was really about. I honestly thought it was some pseudoscience like creationism or something.

No, they have begun to expose the Cult to the general public, causing opinion to go more and more against the Cult. Before this, not many really knew what $cientology was or what it has done to people.

Umm no. I was aware of CoS long before you were even able to read. Even Xenu.net which Anon promotes has been around for many years longer then Anon itself.


No, this cause is just as just. They are doing a wonderful job slowly bringing down the Cult. Besides, none of that stuff is even remotely appealing to most Anons. The Cult does more damage than poverty does.

The Cult does more damage than poverty does? Do you care to withdraw this absurd statement or are you sticking with it? And your evidence that Anon has really done anything at all is what exactly let alone bring down the cult?

They have exposed it to millions of people like me who had no idea what the Cult was really about.

Millions? i doubt its even a tiny fraction of that but if you insist, cite please?

I honestly thought it was some pseudoscience like creationism or something.

Oh it is, it is.

Umm no. I was aware of CoS long before you were even able to read. Even Xenu.net which Anon promotes has been around for many years longer then Anon itself.

Good to know that you represent the majority of the general public. And how do you know when Sel Appa was able to read?


The Cult does more damage than poverty does? Do you care to withdraw this absurd statement or are you sticking with it? And your evidence that Anon has really done anything at all is what exactly let alone bring down the cult?

Nothing that hasn't been done before, only in greater numbers this time. Oh, and without any clearly defined leaders that can be defamed by the church.

Oh it is, it is.

That is an insult to psuedo-science everywhere. Terrible scifi fanfiction is more like it.

How ironic when they are so "racist"...


The vast majority of them aren't.

The Cult does more damage than poverty does?

Yeah, that's a tough case to make.

I think south park probably had a bigger impact with their 2 scientology episodes than anon has had.

Umm no. I was aware of CoS long before you were even able to read. Even Xenu.net which Anon promotes has been around for many years longer then Anon itself.
Scifag.

The Cult does more damage than poverty does? Do you care to withdraw this absurd statement or are you sticking with it? And your evidence that Anon has really done anything at all is what exactly let alone bring down the cult?
He's a scifag.

Millions? i doubt its even a tiny fraction of that but if you insist, cite please?
Totally a scifag.

Oh it is, it is.
Liar. And a scifag.


In seriousness, most people really don't know that much about scientology. Congratulate yourself on either being a Scientologist (and therefore already knew about it) or being a well-informed old guy. However, most people know absolutely nothing about Scientology more than that they're some kind of religiony thing that doesn't believe in psychology. And millions isn't an absurd number: somewhere around 9000, probably more, Anon protesting in hundreds of cities, and if the average Anon talks to 100 people, which isn't hard to imagine, especially in the big cities, that's damn close to a million. Add in people on the intarweb who have been exposed to it by Youtube vids, blags, intarweb communities, and that probably puts it over a million. And then there's all the news coverage, word of mouth, etc. etc. Several million, perhaps not, but a million or so is definitely a realistic amount. And while Scientology is not worse than the concept of poverty, in the scheme of problems that can actually be solved, Scientology is up there. Scientology is also something that Anon can get behind, as it is a specific group of people: it is not like attacking Anonymous, for lack of a better example. And COS pissed Anon off. Poverty hasn't pissed Anon off.

Umm no. I was aware of CoS long before you were even able to read. Even Xenu.net which Anon promotes has been around for many years longer then Anon itself.
I've been reading for 15 years, buddy. Also, yes they existed, but how many people really knew about them...

The Cult does more damage than poverty does?
Yes, psychological damage, theft, fraud, and murder are much worse than poverty.

Do you care to withdraw this absurd statement or are you sticking with it?
I will not withdraw.

And your evidence that Anon has really done anything at all is what exactly let alone bring down the cult?
People are now able to come out and talk about it. Look at that website exscientologykids. Paulette Cooper finally told her full story. Journalist are finally coming out of their fear of reprisals. All thanks to Anonymous.

Millions? i doubt its even a tiny fraction of that but if you insist, cite please?
I think it's fair to estimate that based on the internet coverage it has received. Certainly at least half the million or so Anon had no idea beforehand.

The vast majority of them aren't.
Exactly, but some people don't understand that as has been seen in this thread.

I think south park probably had a bigger impact with their 2 scientology episodes than anon has had.
Doubt it.

Yes, psychological damage, theft, fraud, and murder are much worse than poverty.


There are some social models that suggest that poverty results in pervasively higher occurrences of crime including theft, fraud, and murder, although I admit this is only one model and does not describe every case.


Some might argue, though, that the rates of murder, theft, fraud, as well as other crimes might decline more in the absence of poverty than in the absence of Scientology.

But that might be my body thetans talking.

Hal Turner was excellent tonight. Anonymous delivered. If not every one of the 13 phone calls were from Anonymous, then almost all of them were. Memes proliferated. An hero, Bel-Air, Mudkips.

The show is great. It's like comedy night. You have to laugh at all his white supremacy bull.

There are some social models that suggest that poverty results in pervasively higher occurrences of crime including theft, fraud, and murder, although I admit this is only one model and does not describe every case.


Some might argue, though, that the rates of murder, theft, fraud, as well as other crimes might decline more in the absence of poverty than in the absence of Scientology.

But that might be my body thetans talking.

On the other hand, nobody can say Poverty has actively committed murder, theft, fraud and other crimes which have been attributed to members of Co$.

On the other hand, nobody can say Poverty has actively committed murder, theft, fraud and other crimes which have been attributed to members of Co$.

Certainly, and I have no problem with prosecutors going after them.

Poverty itself doesn't really actively commit crimes, but it can (possibly, if you buy into certain models) create conditions that can cause crime to rise.

The fact that poverty itself cannot be indicted and tried is part of why I don't believe Scientology is worse than poverty. Scientologists can be investigated and tried, whereas poverty is more elusive while still pervasive.

I maintain that, under some analytic frameworks, the damage by poverty may be greater than that of Scientology viewed in the aggregate.


On the other hand, Scientology drains its followers of money, so maybe...

On the other hand, nobody can say Poverty has actively committed murder, theft, fraud and other crimes which have been attributed to members of Co$.

That we even have to debate this is simply asinine. There is massive starvation and disease on entire Continents where people are starving by the millions and millions and have flys buzzing around thier heads. None of them have REMOTELY ever heard of or suffer any affects one way or the other from CoS. Even in the US like 1/3 of the population is under the poverty line thats like 100 million people. CoS doesnt even have a tiny tiny percent of that as a membership and therefore influence. The figures as they say do not add up.

I think Scientologists are wackjobs but i think its something that is largely self inflicted and my pity goes elsewhere to people who didnt intentionally put themselves into positions where they allow themselves to be manipulated. Lets use our energies to help the sick and helpless children and orphans and people who have shitty lives thru absolutley no fault of thier own etc.

Remember folks, the cardinal rule of discussing sensitive subjects that are likely to rile tempers and bring in flamebaits: DON'T FEED THE TROLL!. Stay on tar-^_^_^_^- topic!

I'd rather not have to crack down for flaming and flamebaiting in an otherwise interesting discussion, kay guys?

Lurking on Enturbulation indicates more high-level Church members are leaving, ("blowing" to use what I guess is the Scientology/critic lingo?), and that Anonymous has the Church management in a tizzy. Which makes sense. If I was an organization that requires complete control of information about itself in order to exist and control members, I'd be shitting bricks at being faced abruptly by thousands of anonymous people (instead of a few dozen easily-identifiable targets), and more info leaks than can ever be suppressed.

It's funny, Anonymous is practically tailor-made to hit all the chinks in CoS's armor. At least 2 branches of the Church have been shut down/evicted from places they were renting (in one case, evicted for unpaid rent.) The Dianetics building in Los Angeles has repairs/construction work on the upper floors that's been left unfinished for years. The old Scientology HQ on Hollywood Blvd has been condemned for asbestos and stuff and has been supposedly scheduled for renovation and repairs for as long as I can remember. This doesn't sound like a group with money to burn. If they have so much money, why aren't they fixing their buildings?

Then again, the rent-a-cops and the PIs can't be cheap, I'm sure.

Official government statistics (https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/us.html) say that 12% of the US population is under the poverty line - rather less than 33%. The roundness of the 12%, however, suggests to me that the poverty line has been arbitrarily set there, and so 12% of the population will always be under the poverty line, even if they are eating off solid-gold antimatter-powered plates in Moon domes.

That murder, theft, fraud and psychological damage are worse than simply being poor is undeniable*. That poverty, as a whole, affects more people than Scientology is also undeniable. Which is "worse" depends on which angle you view it from, but ...

"The poor will always be with you." -- Attributed to Y. bin Yosef, 1AD-33AD (approx). Poverty is a problem that can be alleviated; Scientology is a problem that can be solved. Whether or not Anonymous can defeat Scientology I don't know.

*Notes: This statement leaves aside the fact that murder, theft et cetera show statistical increases in the presence of poverty, which, while applicable, is tangential to the argument.

It's funny, Anonymous is practically tailor-made to hit all the chinks in CoS's armor. At least 2 branches of the Church have been shut down/evicted from places they were renting (in one case, evicted for unpaid rent.) The Dianetics building in Los Angeles has repairs/construction work on the upper floors that's been left unfinished for years. The old Scientology HQ on Hollywood Blvd has been condemned for asbestos and stuff and has been supposedly scheduled for renovation and repairs for as long as I can remember. This doesn't sound like a group with money to burn. If they have so much money, why aren't they fixing their buildings?

Then again, the rent-a-cops and the PIs can't be cheap, I'm sure.

I'd guess that either CoS is curtailing normal ops to fund their modes of attack, or those branches are being abandoned while the spare money is being sucked into the top tier of CoS ranks.

I'd guess that either CoS is curtailing normal ops to fund their modes of attack, or those branches are being abandoned while the spare money is being sucked into the top tier of CoS ranks.

Could be... a rational strategy when under siege would be to consolidate resources and redirect them to address priorities. Whether or not those priorities are particularly sound is up to interpretation, but that would make sense. Still, if they had the millions and millions of members they claim (I read somewhere the actual global total of current members is like, 50,000 or so), you'd think they would have more than enough financial resources to handle upkeep AND their "modes of attack."

As an NS mod, I can't say I particularly like Anonymous, but I think I'd much rather they be devoting their efforts to legal activities like protesting something rather than their usual trolling and online antics.

As an NS mod, I can't say I particularly like Anonymous, but I think I'd much rather they be devoting their efforts to legal activities like protesting something rather than their usual trolling and online antics.

And the more success they score against $cientology, the more addicted to real power Anonymous is going to be. If it even scores a heavy hit against the Co$, then there's probably going to be a change in its attitude where online raids and such are going to be seen as n00b stuff and they go for the heavy issues like Net Neutrality and Chinese Censorship. Success breeds confidence and ambition better than anything.

I'd guess that either CoS is curtailing normal ops to fund their modes of attack, or those branches are being abandoned while the spare money is being sucked into the top tier of CoS ranks.

My money (ha, a pun!) is on the latter - remember, the CoS was set up by L. Ron Hubbard with the express purpose of siphoning peoples' money into his pockets. "Ron is gone but the con goes on", as the Anonymites say. I would not be surprised to learn that David Miscavige has a solid gold toilet, just like Saddam (and is that some strange variant of Godwin's law these days?).

Could be... a rational strategy when under siege would be to consolidate resources and redirect them to address priorities. Whether or not those priorities are particularly sound is up to interpretation, but that would make sense. Still, if they had the millions and millions of members they claim (I read somewhere the actual global total of current members is like, 50,000 or so), you'd think they would have more than enough financial resources to handle upkeep AND their "modes of attack."


Well, think about it. When have these offices started closing down? Recently? And what of the membership in those areas? If they were small, I think CoS wouldn't have minded abandoning them temporarily, while they consolidated their resources. Keep in mind that they still have filthy rich nuts like Tom Cruise to pad their coffers.

I'd bet there's a lot of money flowing between CoS offices and places like the Cayman Islands right now. Either they're going to run, or they're going to try something big.

Scientology should be outlawed as Crimnal Activity in my Book. Here's Why:

1. Misuse of the word Church. The Christians should sue them to High Heaven!

2. It takes people's money after brainwashing them.

3. People who leave and speak out are hounded like Communist Dissenters in the Cold War.

4. They think that by giving to Charities they can wipe the slate clean.


Yes, I loath them. I nearly had apoplexy when I saw they donated to the Bluebell Railway.

1. Misuse of the word Church. The Christians should sue them to High Heaven!

Just one thing though, christians don't own the word church.

Official government statistics (https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/us.html) say that 12% of the US population is under the poverty line - rather less than 33%. The roundness of the 12%, however, suggests to me that the poverty line has been arbitrarily set there, and so 12% of the population will always be under the poverty line, even if they are eating off solid-gold antimatter-powered plates in Moon domes.

That murder, theft, fraud and psychological damage are worse than simply being poor is undeniable*. That poverty, as a whole, affects more people than Scientology is also undeniable. Which is "worse" depends on which angle you view it from, but ...

"The poor will always be with you." -- Attributed to Y. bin Yosef, 1AD-33AD (approx). Poverty is a problem that can be alleviated; Scientology is a problem that can be solved. Whether or not Anonymous can defeat Scientology I don't know.

*Notes: This statement leaves aside the fact that murder, theft et cetera show statistical increases in the presence of poverty, which, while applicable, is tangential to the argument.

The poverty line is actually set fairly objectively based on standard of living. Basically, it's based on whether or not you are barely subsisting (or not even that) or whether or not you have money to spare on non-essentials: the poverty line itself is set by how much money you need for the aforementioned standards of living. So you would still be under the line eating off of gold plates if eating off of gold plates is subsisting (which would be silly because that would mean the rest of us are eating off of pure energy plates or some ridiculousness like that).

As for poverty v. Scientology: Scientology can actually be stopped. Anon making houses would put a slight dent in poverty, if that. But they can actually stop the COS. Saying Anon should attack poverty more than COS is like telling them to end world hunger and bring about universal peace. You also have to remember who we're talking about. It's Anon. Poverty isn't something they can get behind, as you don't get lulz by ending poverty. You can get epic lulz by pissing off COS higher ups.

I'd much rather they be devoting their efforts to legal activities like protesting something rather than their usual trolling and online antics.
But then you'd be out of a job and the internets would be boring.

But then you'd be out of a job and the internets would be boring.

No it wouldn't, it'd still have porn. Besides, it's not like RP gets paid to mod.

No it wouldn't, it'd still have porn. Besides, it's not like RP gets paid to mod.

She doesn't?

So who's been getting these Moderation Fees I'm prompted to enter a credit card number for every time I log into my nation? :confused:








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The Church of Scientology has infiltrated my computer! >.< And they promised I'd ascend to a new post count once I had donated enough, too!

*starts making a Guy Fawkes mask*

She doesn't?
RP's a she?!?!?!?! :confused:

*starts making a Guy Fawkes mask*
Them things are a bitch to make from the printouts.

ROFL! Yes, despite the ambiguous screen name and gender-indeterminate avatar, I am a she ;) There was a time when the men of Nationstates raised their voices in singing the praise of my ass. (Though how they determined anything about the quality of said ass from a yearbook photo is beyond me.)

I don't get paid, but I did get a free copy of Company from Max ;)

And on topic: http://www.vimeo.com/824772
"Onward - The Road to March 15, 2008" Epic recap video, very informative. Looks like March 15th moved the protests beyond the Anglosphere, judging from the number of locations where I'm pretty sure they don't speak English as their primary language.

ROFL! Yes, despite the ambiguous screen name and gender-indeterminate avatar, I am a she ;) There was a time when the men of Nationstates raised their voices in singing the praise of my ass. (Though how they determined anything about the quality of said ass from a yearbook photo is beyond me.)

I remember that. I don't recall ever seeing the picture, though. You should get them to make forum 7 again.

ROFL! Yes, despite the ambiguous screen name and gender-indeterminate avatar, I am a she ;) There was a time when the men of Nationstates raised their voices in singing the praise of my ass. (Though how they determined anything about the quality of said ass from a yearbook photo is beyond me.)
But there are no girls on the internet...

And on topic: http://www.vimeo.com/824772
"Onward - The Road to March 15, 2008" Epic recap video, very informative. Looks like March 15th moved the protests beyond the Anglosphere, judging from the number of locations where I'm pretty sure they don't speak English as their primary language.
Indeed. It was small, but still existed. Even Russia had a dozen or two in Moscow. The police apparently didn't care because they probably hate Co$ also.

But there are no girls on the internet...


Are you implying that "f/18" could somehow be...deceptive?

Where is your faith in people?

I was at the first raid in Vancouver and I didn't wear a mask because I have balls. There was another guy who was braver than me, though. He wore two pieces of ID on his shirt and said "FUCK YOU! I'M AN ANTEATER!" well, he didn't actually say that. But he may as well have. I nearly had to break a Scilons arm because he was going to smash a dudes camera.

Other than that, I've had no problems since February.

So, so irritating when people call it anonymous.

(Though how they determined anything about the quality of said ass from a yearbook photo is beyond me.)

Considerable amounts of time spent kissing it.

Are you implying that "f/18" could somehow be...deceptive?

Where is your faith in people?
Rule 15 (http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/No_girls_on_the_internet) (There are NO girls on the internet), mate.

Rule 15 (http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/No_girls_on_the_internet) (There are NO girls on the internet), mate.

Rules are for raids.

I remember that. I don't recall ever seeing the picture, though. You should get them to make forum 7 again.
You never saw the pic? (http://rpstudios.ian-justman.com/junk/furyseniorpic.jpg) =p

I am direly curious to see how far the collective is going to go with all this though. It's grown beyond just the *chans- the "new" Anonymous needs to be considered with that fact in mind. It's not just a bunch of yellow-van-destroying hackers on steroids. There's middle aged parents, little old ladies, and computer illiterate types participating in the thing now.

Imagine the cultural cross-pollination! Old folks using memes! Hackers on steroids developing a social consciousness! *le gasp*

... Though the idea of somebody like my mother going "So I herd u liek Mudkipz!" is... well, rather frightening.

You never saw the pic? (http://rpstudios.ian-justman.com/junk/furyseniorpic.jpg) =p
TITS or GTFO...erm...you look ordinary...

I am direly curious to see how far the collective is going to go with all this though. It's grown beyond just the *chans- the "new" Anonymous needs to be considered with that fact in mind. It's not just a bunch of yellow-van-destroying hackers on steroids. There's middle aged parents, little old ladies, and computer illiterate types participating in the thing now.
It wasn't solely on the chans. It was also on eBaums and such.

Old folks using memes!
Trulyoldfag?

... Though the idea of somebody like my mother going "So I herd u liek Mudkipz!" is... well, rather frightening.
Someone needs to get a clip of some old granny or something saying that.

Apparently, that rickroll was nothing but a well-edited video. (http://www.khq.com/global/story.asp?s=8063968)

TITS or GTFO...erm...you look ordinary...


That's why I don't get the whole thing- I mean sure, I look pretty good when I take the time to really do myself up, but from that pic, I have "the hottest ass known to mankind?" lol wut?

So the IRL rickroll was just a clever edit? Heh, that is pretty funny :D Though I'm sure geeks with too much free time at schools like MIT or Caltech will get their prank on and do it for real SOMETIME. Hell, Caltech hijacked the Rose Bowl's scoreboard once forever and a day ago.

And I wonder how long until Anon delivers an old lady saying she likes Mudkips :rolleyes:

TITS or GTFO

Agreed (TM) :D

But yeah, I could extrapolate you having a very nice ass from that picture. It certainly doesn't portray you as not having a nice ass.

I propose we make a temple. To Reppy's ass. Long live Reppy! The awesome mod with a nice ass!

I propose we make a temple. To Reppy's ass. Long live Reppy! The awesome mod with a nice ass!
Oh lordie, not again! XD;;; You know, that one issue about the ancient temple in the game that mentions the cult of Firefury Amahira... that was a deliberate gag by my fellow mods about the Ass Cult v1.0 =p

Ironic that a "cult" spawns from a thread discussing another cult =p

*on topic again* I wonder who around my college is part of the Anon thing- I've been seeing flyers pinned up all over campus since February.

You never saw the pic? (http://rpstudios.ian-justman.com/junk/furyseniorpic.jpg) =p
I'd hit it, and do double damage.

I am direly curious to see how far the collective is going to go with all this though. It's grown beyond just the *chans- the "new" Anonymous needs to be considered with that fact in mind. It's not just a bunch of yellow-van-destroying hackers on steroids. There's middle aged parents, little old ladies, and computer illiterate types participating in the thing now.

Imagine the cultural cross-pollination! Old folks using memes! Hackers on steroids developing a social consciousness! *le gasp*

... Though the idea of somebody like my mother going "So I herd u liek Mudkipz!" is... well, rather frightening.

RL Caturday is going to be quite a sight.

I'd hit it, and do double damage.


Just remember "it" has a full set of fully functional claws and ready access to many swords :D

RL Caturday is going to be quite a sight.
Wise Beard Man apparently catrolled Anon with his 100th video and RL lolcats.

Oh lordie, not again! XD;;; You know, that one issue about the ancient temple in the game that mentions the cult of Firefury Amahira... that was a deliberate gag by my fellow mods about the Ass Cult v1.0 =p

Ironic that a "cult" spawns from a thread discussing another cult =p

*on topic again* I wonder who around my college is part of the Anon thing- I've been seeing flyers pinned up all over campus since February.

Hey, the cult of Reppy demands only worshiping of the glorious ass. It does not require massive donations, complete obedience, and forced abortions on a dodgy navy.

I'd hit it, and do double damage.

Hit her weak point!


RL Caturday is going to be quite a sight.

OH GOD! THE FURRIES! THEY'RE EVERYWHERE!

Curious circumstantial evidence here. Who wants to bet CoS will jump on this?

http://www.wired.com/politics/security/news/2008/03/epilepsy

Curious circumstantial evidence here. Who wants to bet CoS will jump on this?

http://www.wired.com/politics/security/news/2008/03/epilepsy

Given how Anonymous wants to really pwn $cientology, doing this would be an act of stupidity. Come to think of it, this attack has too much the capability to inflict actual physical harm on its victims compared to typical Anonymous antics to be something that /b/ would try.

Anyone else smell where all the diverted $cientology money is going?

It's important to remember that while some /b/ denizens are Anonymous members, not all are, and conversely Anonymous is not entirely composed of /b/ denizens. /B/ can presumably act entirely independently of Anonymous even if some of the people responsible are members of both; and for that matter, there are many more hackers in the world than just /b/.

It's important to remember that while some /b/ denizens are Anonymous members, not all are, and conversely Anonymous is not entirely composed of /b/ denizens. /B/ can presumably act entirely independently of Anonymous even if some of the people responsible are members of both; and for that matter, there are many more hackers in the world than just /b/.

True, but keep in mind that not many will make that distinction.

True, but keep in mind that not many will make that distinction.

Yeah, We will proberly see things like 'ANON CAUSES EPILEPSY!!!!' headlines in the future.

Anon members are nearly as delusional as thier CoS nemesis if they think they can even put a dent in the bottom line of the CoS.

Anon members are nearly as delusional as thier CoS nemesis if they think they can even put a dent in the bottom line of the CoS.

They already have.

It's important to remember that while some /b/ denizens are Anonymous members, not all are, and conversely Anonymous is not entirely composed of /b/ denizens. /B/ can presumably act entirely independently of Anonymous even if some of the people responsible are members of both; and for that matter, there are many more hackers in the world than just /b/.

True, many of them come from 711chans /i/ for instance.

Just remember "it" has a full set of fully functional claws and ready access to many swords :D

I'm wearing Boots Of Escaping! I'm wearing Boots Of Escaping!

True, many of them come from 711chans /i/ for instance.

It's also tough because any one of them can post, do, or say anything under the tag "Anonymous" and they are now a part of Anonymous. Not a sanctioned part, certainly, but they are anonymous. That's what Anonymous is.

They already have.

Oh please, handing out pamphlets and singing a few songs isnt going to prevent idiots determined to hand away thier money to CoS from continuing to do just that.

Oh please, handing out pamphlets and singing a few songs isnt going to prevent idiots determined to hand away thier money to CoS from continuing to do just that.

True. But it will stop people who are not determined to hand their money away and are only looking for a slight diversion and spiritual guidance with their money will not continue to give their money to COS.

More importantly, it is making people aware of the questionable practices of COS. Anonymous isn't only trying to get people to stop giving their money to COS, they are also trying to make it so COS isn't around to take the money.

Anonymous isn't only trying to get people to stop giving their money to COS, they are also trying to make it so COS isn't around to take the money.

And Anon is going to do this how? By marching for a few hours in front of a few of thier offices a few days a year? By screwing up the occasional website? Wow i think CoS will be closing up shop from these brutal tactics any second now. Not.

And Anon is going to do this how? By marching for a few hours in front of a few of thier offices a few days a year? By screwing up the occasional website? Wow i think CoS will be closing up shop from these brutal tactics any second now. Not.

They're not after COS directly. By making people aware of their questionable practices, it puts social pressure on COS. Social pressure leads to political pressure as politicians try to win favor from their citizens. When the government digs, they find illegal and questionable activities, and COS is shut down for aiding in things like kidnapping, murder, extortion, tax evasion, blackmailing...the list goes on.

The more people know, the more people care. People get upset, and shit gets done about it.

They're not after COS directly. By making people aware of their questionable practices, it puts social pressure on COS. Social pressure leads to political pressure as politicians try to win favor from their citizens. When the government digs, they find illegal and questionable activities, and COS is shut down for aiding in things like kidnapping, murder, extortion, tax evasion, blackmailing...the list goes on.

The more people know, the more people care. People get upset, and shit gets done about it.

Great except awareness or otherwise, most people dont care regardless. Scientology, by many, is viewed as a self inflicted problem. Most peoples sympathies fall on people with much worse problems that they didnt bring apoun themselves.

Sucesses:
1 org down.
A few members quitting.
Shows of support from the inside.
The CO$ is spending tons of $$$ trying to stop them.
The CO$ makes hundreds of footbullets in lies and stuff, thus providing "Lulz".
They debunked a huge propraganda video where they said "World Leaders" supported them.
(Most of the 'world leaders' were either fake, taken out of context, or they didn't know it was Scientology that was asking them to speak)

they are doing pretty good actually.

Combine this with:
Germany still planning on outlawing them.
France thinking on doing the same.
Those CO$ers in France on trial for kidnapping.
CO$ on trial in belgium for fraud.
and
Russia has gone KGB on their ass.


And I wonder how long until Anon delivers an old lady saying she likes Mudkips :rolleyes:
I know some News Blogs have started Rickrolling people.

Pereiz Hilton and I think the Guardian for instance.

*on topic again* I wonder who around my college is part of the Anon thing- I've been seeing flyers pinned up all over campus since February.
Admit it, it's you!

Curious circumstantial evidence here. Who wants to bet CoS will jump on this?

http://www.wired.com/politics/security/news/2008/03/epilepsy
I have one of those pics in my photobucket. I actually saved it from a post on NSG and later reuploaded it as saddam.jpg so I could trick my friends. I have doubts it's Anon. Then again it could get LULZ.

This shows a great opportunity for hackers to make RL Profit! They can offer themselves as a "good hacker" hacking the site to find vulnerabilities to fix. The problem is most hackers wouldn't want to give up the lulz (which has always been the reason even before the word existed) and their brothers.

Anon members are nearly as delusional as thier CoS nemesis if they think they can even put a dent in the bottom line of the CoS.
You're delusional if you think that. *flags IF as a potential $cientologist*

Oh please, handing out pamphlets and singing a few songs isnt going to prevent idiots determined to hand away thier money to CoS from continuing to do just that.
It gets media attention that hasn't been gotten before. Journalists are no longer as fearful. Ex-scilons are coming out of their fear and telling their tales, etc... The people aren't idiots, just like drug-users, they get pressured into it and then sucked in and can't get out easily.

And Anon is going to do this how? By marching for a few hours in front of a few of thier offices a few days a year? By screwing up the occasional website? Wow i think CoS will be closing up shop from these brutal tactics any second now. Not.
It's not going to be any second. Plans are being made for the next 18 MONTHS against Co$. And they stopped the DDoSing two months ago. You need to check the news more often, my friend.

Great except awareness or otherwise, most people dont care regardless.
People are satrting to care.

Scientology, by many, is viewed as a self inflicted problem.
Maybe by you (unless you are a $cientologist), but not by everyone. Many, many people are concerned about it and are getting concerned about it as it becomes more exposed. Not many people know or knew about the cult until this stuff. Even now, people still are largely unaware.

Most peoples sympathies fall on people with much worse problems that they didnt bring apoun themselves.
There are just as many people who think people in poverty brought it UPON themselves.

France thinking on doing the same.
Those CO$ers in France on trial for kidnapping.
CO$ on trial in belgium for fraud.
and
Russia has gone KGB on their ass.
Any links for this, I'm quite interested...especially on the Russia thing.

I know some News Blogs have started Rickrolling people.

Pereiz Hilton and I think the Guardian for instance.
Oy...that's good though I suppose. But it's bad because it desensitizes. Then again, you can still own people with screamo videos that have already seen them.

http://www.anonhouston.com/w/images/e/e9/Resolutionsmall.jpg

This just popped up, apparently it's an initiative passed by the Texas Republican party.

http://www.anonhouston.com/w/images/e/e9/Resolutionsmall.jpg

This just popped up, apparently it's an initiative passed by the Texas Republican party.

Good deal! Intestinal Fluids, suck on that.

Good deal! Intestinal Fluids, suck on that.

That was a very irrational responce. Are you asserting this as some kind of evidence that Anon can bring down CoS? I dont see the connection between the two at all. Explain please?

That was a very irrational responce. Are you asserting this as some kind of evidence that Anon can bring down CoS? I dont see the connection between the two at all. Explain please?

It was supposedly brought about due to the popularity over the issue created by anonymous.

That was a very irrational responce. Are you asserting this as some kind of evidence that Anon can bring down CoS? I dont see the connection between the two at all. Explain please?

Ok, really? You're that dead set on COS to win? Good lord, I call shenanigans or scifag.

Ok, really? You're that dead set on COS to win? Good lord, I call shenanigans or scifag.

So you're either with Anon or you're with the scifags? Good luck with that.......

So you're either with Anon or you're with the scifags? Good luck with that.......

No. IF, specifically, is either trolling for lulz or a scifag because even when presented with a sign of Anon's success, he still cannot admit that Anon is doing even the slightest bit of good, or has the slightest chance to succeed world-wide.

No. IF, specifically, is either trolling for lulz or a scifag because even when presented with a sign of Anon's success, he still cannot admit that Anon is doing even the slightest bit of good, or has the slightest chance to succeed world-wide.

I suspect you are young as your logic does not seem to be well developed yet. A jpeg with no source information is not in any way evidence of Anon doing anything anywhere or anyhow. Can you show me where Anon was mentioned in the evidence you provided of Anons involvement of this bill? Is it even a bill? Is it a nonbinding suggestion? What exactly is it? I dont even know the proper context of this document. In short it proves absolutley nothing.

http://www.anonhouston.com/w/images/e/e9/Resolutionsmall.jpg

This just popped up, apparently it's an initiative passed by the Texas Republican party.
Noice. Let's hope it gets passed. There's hope yet for Texas.

Good deal! Intestinal Fluids, suck on that.
Digest would have been better and punnier...

That was a very irrational responce. Are you asserting this as some kind of evidence that Anon can bring down CoS? I dont see the connection between the two at all. Explain please?

Maybe the fact that nothing has been done about $cientology until recently when Anon is out. And why would they mention Anon? What politician doesn't take an idea as their own?

Ok, really? You're that dead set on COS to win? Good lord, I call shenanigans or scifag.
Yeah, I seriously think he might be a scifag. No one except a troll or scifag would keep up such a debate as silly as this.

So you're either with Anon or you're with the scifags? Good luck with that.......
No, but a regular person wouldn't debate it that much or claim their futile. They'd be a little skeptical, but not nearly this much.

I suspect you are young as your logic does not seem to be well developed yet. A jpeg with no source information is not in any way evidence of Anon doing anything anywhere or anyhow. Can you show me where Anon was mentioned in the evidence you provided of Anons involvement of this bill? Is it even a bill? Is it a nonbinding suggestion? What exactly is it? I dont even know the proper context of this document. In short it proves absolutley nothing.
It's a resolution for the State Legislature, I presume. I will personally look into it.

On March 29th, a Houston Anon made history. This brave Anon, a Galveston county delegate to the RNC, braved a Republican National Convention policy meeting and presented a proposal to get the Church of Scientology's status as a religion revoked. This would potentially mean stripping the tax exemption as well. This will need to work it's way up the ladder and if it makes it, it will mean that part of the Republican party's platform will be stripping Scientology of its religious status.
That's the only source you'll get since it's an insider proposal to be included as part of the Republican Party of Texas platform. The legislature is not in session until next year as far as I know, but it's a good start.

I suspect you are young as your logic does not seem to be well developed yet. A jpeg with no source information is not in any way evidence of Anon doing anything anywhere or anyhow. Can you show me where Anon was mentioned in the evidence you provided of Anons involvement of this bill? Is it even a bill? Is it a nonbinding suggestion? What exactly is it? I dont even know the proper context of this document. In short it proves absolutley nothing.

If and only if Anon's goal is accomplished, COS' will have their tax exempt status removed.
If Anon's goal has been accomplished, Anon has been successful.
COS' tax exempt status has been removed.

Therefore:
Anon's goal has been accomplished.

Therefore:
Anon has been successful.

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It's hard to draw proofs when you don't have the symbols.

As for whether or not Anon had anything to do with it, I suppose it's just coincidence that two weeks after a massive Anon demonstration this appears.

As for whether or not the resolution is true: why would someone bother lying about that? Anon doesn't need to lie. Anon's strength is telling the truth. Only COS has any initiative to falsify documents.

As for whether or not the resolution is true: why would someone bother lying about that? Anon doesn't need to lie. Anon's strength is telling the truth. Only COS has any initiative to falsify documents.

LOL yet when all i do is properly question the validity of your cited evidence you become irrational and instead of addressing the issue seem content to lable me a scifag or somesuch instead. Its an odd reaction to a reasonable inquiry. Should we start worrying when Anon supporters are starting to sound as crazy as the CoS?

LOL yet when all i do is properly question the validity of your cited evidence you become irrational and instead of addressing the issue seem content to lable me a scifag or somesuch instead. Its an odd reaction to a reasonable inquiry. Should we start worrying when Anon supporters are starting to sound as crazy as the CoS?

Burden of proof's on you, mate.

In other news: Save Reppy's Temple (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=13568080#post13568080)

Burden of proof's on you, mate.

Oh Lord. Ok lets play a game. Im guessing your 14. Your honest answer will affect my response considerably. LOL

when presented with a sign of Anon's success,

I dunno, I personally have a hard time believing that there are Anons in the state legislatures of anyplace, even Texas.

All it's done is bring CoS back to media attention; some of the results will undoubtedly be positive, and some of them -- like this one -- will be negative. You can call this a "success" if you like, but I doubt Anon really had much to do with the drafting of this resolution. Anyway, there's a good chance it won't pass. <.<

I dunno, I personally have a hard time believing that there are Anons in the state legislatures of anyplace, even Texas.

All it's done is bring CoS back to media attention; some of the results will undoubtedly be positive, and some of them -- like this one -- will be negative. You can call this a "success" if you like, but I doubt Anon really had much to do with the drafting of this resolution. Anyway, there's a good chance it won't pass. <.<

Its like that christian group that boycotted ford.

ford was already having financial trouble, but the christian group tried to take credit for it.

yay for BS groups trying to look far more important and influential than they will ever be.

LOL yet when all i do is properly question the validity of your cited evidence you become irrational and instead of addressing the issue seem content to lable me a scifag or somesuch instead. Its an odd reaction to a reasonable inquiry. Should we start worrying when Anon supporters are starting to sound as crazy as the CoS?
It's highly unusual for a non-partisan person to debate this as much as you are. Therefore, it is reasonable to infer that you are either trolling or are a $cientologist.

Oh Lord. Ok lets play a game. Im guessing your 14. Your honest answer will affect my response considerably. LOL
I'm guessing you're also 14.

I dunno, I personally have a hard time believing that there are Anons in the state legislatures of anyplace, even Texas.

All it's done is bring CoS back to media attention; some of the results will undoubtedly be positive, and some of them -- like this one -- will be negative. You can call this a "success" if you like, but I doubt Anon really had much to do with the drafting of this resolution. Anyway, there's a good chance it won't pass. <.<
If you read what I posted, you'd have noticed that this was simply a proposal at a county convention for the Republican party to adopt it as part of the platform.

Its like that christian group that boycotted ford.

ford was already having financial trouble, but the christian group tried to take credit for it.

yay for BS groups trying to look far more important and influential than they will ever be.
It just can't be a coincidence that these two things converged at the same time. If the Co$ was in trouble, maybe Anon is hastening their fall, which is just the better. Stop denying and dismissing the power of the internet.

Oh Lord. Ok lets play a game. Im guessing your 14. Your honest answer will affect my response considerably. LOL

20.

Interesting (http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Church_of_Scientology%27s_%27Operating_Thetan%27_documents_leaked_online)

Apparently OT6s are telepathic...

I wonder what the class skills are for "scientologist"...

Interesting (http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Church_of_Scientology%27s_%27Operating_Thetan%27_documents_leaked_online)

Apparently OT6s are telepathic...

I wonder what the class skills are for "scientologist"...

I read part of that. I didn't get it.

I read part of that. I didn't get it.

The article or the really nerdy joke?

Burden of proof's on you, mate.

I would have to side with Fluids here. The proposed legislature shown has no identifying marks that mark it as genuine. It would be very easy to falsify. Heck. I could do the same thing too with photoshop.

More proof will be required to show that this is genuine if you please.

I would have to side with Fluids here. The proposed legislature shown has no identifying marks that mark it as genuine. It would be very easy to falsify. Heck. I could do the same thing too with photoshop.

More proof will be required to show that this is genuine if you please.

Why would someone falsify it, though? I mean, granted, it's a bit dubious, I'll certainly admit that, but I don't know why anyone would want to...

Why would someone falsify it, though? I mean, granted, it's a bit dubious, I'll certainly admit that, but I don't know why anyone would want to...

How should I know? There are as many reasons as there are people. But until it's confirmed as genuine, I have to classify this as just another oddity of the internet.

How should I know? There are as many reasons as there are people. But until it's confirmed as genuine, I have to classify this as just another oddity of the internet.

Hmm...I wonder where Hydes found it...

Why would someone falsify it, though? I mean, granted, it's a bit dubious, I'll certainly admit that, but I don't know why anyone would want to...

have you seen the photoshopped pix anon puts up on /b/ and the like?


you really need to ask "why" when a reason is the LAST thing anything from /b/ needs?

have you seen the photoshopped pix anon puts up on /b/ and the like?


you really need to ask "why" when a reason is the LAST thing anything from /b/ needs?

Anon isn't just /b/, though. And since Wise Beard Man showed up, they've shown...maturity?

I would have to side with Fluids here. The proposed legislature shown has no identifying marks that mark it as genuine. It would be very easy to falsify. Heck. I could do the same thing too with photoshop.

More proof will be required to show that this is genuine if you please.
Again, it is merely a proposal at a Republican County convention or just convention at a county level. Therefore, it is fairly probable at least one Anon is there and submitted the proposal to adopt the ending tax exemption as PART OF THE REPUBLICAN PLATFORM. This is NOT a state-level or even legislative at any level proposal. There really is no need for further proof at such a low level. Especially since there is none. Party platform proposals at a county level are not reported to the media AFAIK.

Again, it is merely a proposal at a Republican County convention or just convention at a county level. Therefore, it is fairly probable at least one Anon is there and submitted the proposal to adopt the ending tax exemption as PART OF THE REPUBLICAN PLATFORM. This is NOT a state-level or even legislative at any level proposal. There really is no need for further proof at such a low level. Especially since there is none. Party platform proposals at a county level are not reported to the media AFAIK.

What he said.

What he said.

Well im glad we have cleared up the point that Anon is incapable of stopping CoS and is a speedbump at best.

Well im glad we have cleared up the point that Anon is incapable of stopping CoS and is a speedbump at best.

I still stay shenanigans or scifag.

The article or the really nerdy joke?

I didn't understand the article. The scientology stuff was totally incomprehensible.

I didn't understand the article. The scientology stuff was totally incomprehensible.

I think that's the point...

I still stay shenanigans or scifag.

Dont make me focus my OT7 death ray on you.

Dont make me focus my OT7 death ray on you.

I do not ph34r your death ray! I have +3 thetan-touched armor!

I, for one, applaud Anonymous. Granted, they might be friends of mine, and alleged servants of the Dark Lord Xenu, but as our prominent crusaders Trey and Matt state, "the million year battle for earth has just begun."

Hail XENU!!!

Again, it is merely a proposal at a Republican County convention or just convention at a county level. Therefore, it is fairly probable at least one Anon is there and submitted the proposal to adopt the ending tax exemption as PART OF THE REPUBLICAN PLATFORM. This is NOT a state-level or even legislative at any level proposal. There really is no need for further proof at such a low level. Especially since there is none. Party platform proposals at a county level are not reported to the media AFAIK.

Then at the very most, this can be considered to be the equivalent of a low level suggestion no? It is nothing really earthshaking, and that it might pass is a very long shot then.

Not quite as long as hoping a 4 ton meteor would land in CoS headquarters Clearwater, but long nevertheless.

It's a start.

Any links for this, I'm quite interested...especially on the Russia thing.

Russia: http://www.fontanka.ru/2008/02/22/064/
A former member told the police that the Org was holding blackmail material over the heads of former members. So the police went in and grabbed all of the files, despite every Scientologist in the city showing up to try and intimiate the police into backing off. Of course this means the Police can now blackmail them instead but still.

Translation:
The Confessions of Scientology Delivered to the Prosecutors

The Scientologists of St. Petersburg once again ended up in the field of view of the police. Yesterday, their office from 11am to 1pm were full of workers from the Kirov UVD (police) and the Prosecutor's office. Their "catch" was two boxes of the so called "confessions" of the church of scientology. However, the followers of Hubbard were not willing to give these up so easily. The protest of several hundred followers and several tens of church workers ended with the police backing away.

The reason for the assault of two dozen strongmen came from a complant by a private citizen, a previous member of the church, who has remained anonymous due to his fear of his information being used against him. In the office, the gathered scientologists, in police speak, began to cause "passive resistance against government forces," or in simple terms, were loudly disgruntled. To help the "bluecoats" several aditional detachements from the local police department were called in. According to several sources, the offices of the "church" were also visited by the forces of national security. [ED note: read "KGB"] In the end at the house (41 on Zaycev street) where the "Scientologist Church" is located, about ten police cars gathered (apparently, the idea of arresting anybody who was too violent was not excluded" and several hundreds of the followers of the cult.

"The Uncalled visitors" were told by the church people that the citizen that had complained before had been handed a responce in writing that stated that all his fears were pointless. But this argument was not accepted. As a result folders with "confessions" of the citizens were discovered. The auditors of public justice decided to withdraw them from the premises. Scientologists protested against this, claiming the holy secrecy of the confessions, their constitutional rights, and the untouchability of private life. However, the arguments did not come down to brute physical force.

In the end, around 1am in the morning, police took the "confessions" anyways. The appropriate paperwork for the withdrawal of these files was also written up, however the followers of the teaching refused to show it to us.

After the public servants had left, many of the supports of the "Church of Scientology" that sped to the help of their organization stayed at the building for the night, as because of the lateness they could not leave. [ED note: Public transporation in St. Petersburg stops around midnight.] Gathered near the entrance to the building and in the corridors, they discussed what had happened.

According to the followers of the teachings, their legal representatives are working on the question of defence of the organization. In the upcoming future, an appeal may be delivered to the procecutor's office, complaining about the "unwanted guests." However, the scientologists seem to have decided not to actually visit the Prosecutor's office in person.

The press department of the GUVD (police) refused to comment. The press deparartment of the prosecutor said that at the current time it has been discovered if there was any connection between the scientologists themselves and the religious organizations they claim to be a part of.

The "followers", when asked the question as what they believe these "confessions" to be, answer that this way "they trust their inner thoughts to the priest" in written form. "Fontanka" turned to the religious department of the RGPU of Gercen. [ED's Note, Gercen's institute is one of the biggest in St. Petersburg.] One of the professors has told us that in 1959, Hubbard (the founder of scientology) included a requisite "confession" during which the followers of the religion would go through a certain "questioning." They must answer to long lists of questions that have been prepared beforehand, questions asking them about their moral sins. A device called an "e-meter" is used to tell if they are lying or not. All recieved data is carefully recorded.

We must note that the interest of the Law may cause problems for the existance of Scientologist in St. Petersburg, as in recent times the organization is clinging to "bird's rights." We remind our readers that on July 12, 2007, the High Court of St Petersburg, at a request of the Prosecutor's office, liquidated the organization "Center of Scientology" because of a string of violations. The Supreme Cout has left this decision in power. At the current time, the organization is functioning as a religious organization, however has not been able to register its current status with the Federal registration service.
-Aleksey Yaushev
Fontanka.ru

It also seems Putin is also putting the crackdown on groups such as the CO$ as part of his power grabs. Which is bad in another way though.

I find it hilarious that COS was trying to even function in Russia...

Protest the KGB...good luck with that.

Then at the very most, this can be considered to be the equivalent of a low level suggestion no? It is nothing really earthshaking, and that it might pass is a very long shot then.

Not quite as long as hoping a 4 ton meteor would land in CoS headquarters Clearwater, but long nevertheless.
It is clearly showing beginning signs that the government may be looking at $cientology again. One small step at a time. You guys really expect the world from Anonymous delivered on a platinum platter. It's not that quick and easy.

Everyone ignore IF. He's either trolling or is a $cientologist. Neither is able to accept reason.

Everyone ignore IF. He's either trolling or is a $cientologist. Neither is able to accept reason.

Ironically im neither and im one of the more reasonable people you will ever meet. Sorry to ruin your pidgeonhole.

Ironically im neither and im one of the more reasonable people you will ever meet. Sorry to ruin your pidgeonhole. Your behavior shows otherwise.

I find it rather silly how everyone just keeps going "Ignore IF! Ignore IF!"

It's childish and stupid. He's not even remotely acting like a scifag or a troll. He's not remotely supportive of scientology, if you bother to read his posts. He's merely skeptical that everything that is being done against Co$ is necessarily done to Anon and rightly so. If we (humanity) weren't skeptical, there wouldn't be anyone trying to bring down Co$ in the first place.

I never said ignore him. I'm just being skeptical of his skepticism...he seems a little bit too skeptical is all.

I never said ignore him. I'm just being skeptical of his skepticism...he seems a little bit too skeptical is all.

Is that really a bad thing?

If no one was skeptical of Anon's capabilities, would Anon even bother to prove them wrong and provide lulz?

Also, at least two people have called for him to be ignored and/or insulted.

Is that really a bad thing?

If no one was skeptical of Anon's capabilities, would Anon even bother to prove them wrong and provide lulz?

Also, at least two people have called for him to be ignored and/or insulted.

Yes, they have, which I do think is silly. But I have to say, I never underestimate the length scifags will go to, eh?

Yes, they have, which I do think is silly. But I have to say, I never underestimate the length scifags will go to, eh?

*shrugs*

I'd imagine something more worthy of rebuttal. Something more defensive or aggressive in nature.

I mean, saying that "yeah, Texas wants to pass a law... So what does Anon have to do with it?" doesn't strike me as that particular kind of hostile or defensive.

I still stay shenanigans or scifag.

That's all you seem to say.

*shrugs*

I'd imagine something more worthy of rebuttal. Something more defensive or aggressive in nature.

I mean, saying that "yeah, Texas wants to pass a law... So what does Anon have to do with it?" doesn't strike me as that particular kind of hostile or defensive.

It's that even in the face of many accounts of successes, strong arguments in favor of Anon, and an (admittedly dubious) image of a proposal, he still can't admit at all that Anon has even the slightest chance to make any difference whatsoever.