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Philosopy
06-10-2006, 23:18
What ho chaps, a resounding victory! 4 MPs to send to Parliament - our best ever total! Huzzah for Her Majesty!

Now, we have to choose who to send, wotwot! Unfortunately, Her Majesty is away in the Commonwealth on business at the moment, so we'll have to do the picking ourselves!

I shall take my seat as leader of the Party, and I am selecting the Lord Sah Lady Vacuumhead to join me, in recognition of her truly magnificent efforts in this election, wot!

As for the final two seats, I propose an anonymous ballot. Every member may telegram me once, with the name of another member they feel should become MP. You cannot select yourself, old sport! At the end of the weekend, the persons with the most votes will be appointed. If no one telegrams me, I'll just select the lucky buggers myself, wotwot!

Pip pip for the New British Imperial Party! Huzzah for victory! Huzzah for the Party, Her Majesty, and the Emparh!

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Vacuumhead
06-10-2006, 23:44
I am jolly glad to be selected as MP, cheers! http://www.zrxoc.com/board/images/smilies/tea.gif

I have had a gay old time during these elections, and I am delighted that the NBIP have won. I give you my word that I will continue the hard work I have put in for the Emparh. Now then lords and ladies, let the celebrations begin. *Puts the kettle on*

:D

Philosopy old chap, I remind you about the last but not least of our key points:
16) NationStates is to apply for Commonwealth membership and recognise the Queen as head of state.

God save the Queen, wot!
Zilam
06-10-2006, 23:48
I am jolly glad to be selected as MP, cheers! http://www.zrxoc.com/board/images/smilies/tea.gif

I have had a gay old time during these elections, and I am delighted that the NBIP have won. I give you my word that I will continue the hard work I have put in for the Emparh. Now then lords and ladies, let the celebrations begin. *Puts the kettle on*

:D

Philosopy old chap, I remind you about the last but not least of our key points:
16) NationStates is to apply for Commonwealth membership and recognise the Queen as head of state.

God save the Queen, wot!


I shot the Queen, and ate her flesh :)
Vacuumhead
07-10-2006, 00:03
I shot the Queen, and ate her flesh :)

Nonsense, you must be lying. England is a country blessed by God, He favours us above all others. He would never let any harm come to our Queen. I myself have said ''God save the Queen'' two dozen times today, wot!
Philosopy
07-10-2006, 00:08
Philosopy old chap, I remind you about the last but not least of our key points:
16) NationStates is to apply for Commonwealth membership and recognise the Queen as head of state.
It has not been forgotten, good Lady Sah! Indeed, I intend to enact our manifesto in full at the earliest opportunity, wot!

But we must firstly deal with these blasted foreigners, wotwot! Can't accept British superiority and refuse to recognise the Parliament! We shall reform, good Lady Sah, so that the words 'God Save the Queen' shall be heard from all corners of this globe for evermore!
Vacuumhead
07-10-2006, 00:15
It has not been forgotten, good Lady Sah! Indeed, I intend to enact our manifesto in full at the earliest opportunity, wot!

But we must firstly deal with these blasted foreigners, wotwot! Can't accept British superiority and refuse to recognise the Parliament! We shall reform, good Lady Sah, so that the words 'God Save the Queen' shall be heard from all corners of this globe for evermore!

Indeed good sah, those bloody foreigners should be put into their place. Especially those blasted Pogo'ers, they have no respect. :(

God save the Queen!
Swilatia
07-10-2006, 00:39
congrats on getting four seats.
Gurguvungunit
07-10-2006, 01:24
*whistles 'Rule Britannia'*

I say, my lads. Excellent showing, wot? We've certainly cleaned up. Done our bit for Queen and Country, and all that. I should like to extend my most sincere congratulations to Lord Philosophy and Lady Lord Vaccuumhead, our new MPs. I hope that we shall see the speedy election of two others.

In other news, we seem to be faced with the odious prospect of a coalition government. One hopes that we may find the CypsW Party amenable to our reforms. If not, the Dreadnought Fleet will need something to do, and their home districts are no doubt within range of the good old fifteen incher!
Minaris
07-10-2006, 01:52
The Defenderists would be willing to assist in demoting CypsWP or MORBA.
Ilaer
08-10-2006, 11:23
Not explicitly, no. What you said was that previous ships any name or type were 'insignificant', something which makes no sense, seeing as vessels apart from the HMS Victory did indeed participate in battles, most of which were fought long before Nelson was born. In any case, it's the battles and the men, not the specific ships, that deserve our attention.

1. That's as may be, but it was Nelson's victory at Trafalgar which cemented the British hold on the seas. After the Battle of Trafalgar there were very few nations which would even attempt to stand against the Royal Navy in combat. Do you really think that the Imperialistic nations of 19th century Europe would have cared about battles that happened some two to three hundred years before them? Not really. But the Battle of Trafalgar, a battle which happened a comparatively short time before and which was possibly the most well-known naval battle in history, a battle which indisputably showed Britain's hold on the seas? Now that they would have noted.
Also, I do know that it is the battles and the men, and not the specific ships involved, that were important. My jibe about all ships pre-Dreadnought era being insignificant was meant in jest, and you are responsible for bringing it up into a debate by pointing out the historical deficiencies in that jest.
I apologise for this, by the way, since I do feel a bit petty, but having continued the debate I feel it must be continued until one side or the other claims victory.

It was a strategic victory and a tactical defeat. In any event, the High Seas Fleet never left port again, while the Grand Fleet and the Battlecruiser Fleet were able to assert their power (to the extent that it was necessary after Jutland) wherever they wanted to. In that, we see the true importance of a battle. Trafalgar was peculiar in that it was both a strategic and tactical victory, effectively crushing the French beyond the capacity to resist. Obviously, Jutland was no Trafalgar. But in that the High Seas Fleet never took to the ocean again except to surrender, I would suggest that Jutland was very much a victory.

2. Jutland was a very important battle, but one whose result prolonged the war. Indeed, it was not even a strategic victory, for two reasons:
2.i. Though a greater proportion of the German fleet was lost than was of the British fleet, it could not be held a strategic victory. The battle, ostensibly a German defeat, could in fact be held responsible for the death of millions more men to come in the war on land, because it prolonged the war. The High Seas Fleet withdrew to its harbours and thus made it impossible to bombard the German coast and land infantry there. Though the German U-Boats would have put up a good fight, if they were the only things capable of actively protecting the coast, and taking count of mines and so on, the U-Boats would have been defeated fairly easily in view of the much faster modern destroyers of the Grand Fleet, destroyers being primarily designed in the Great War to hunt down submarines.
While the Germans could then have withdrawn men from any of the fronts to stop the landings, how likely would it have been that those troops would have got back in time or, indeed, affect the decision in any way. From the first moment that Allied soldiers landed on the German coast more would have been shipped from Britain and the Empire, and possibly France though this is less likely, given the French obsession with the Western Front. In any case, as soon as German troops were withdrawn it is entirely possible and, indeed, quite likely that the fronts would have collapsed. It would have taken a high proportion of front-line soldiers to make any appreciable difference back home, by which time even trenches would not have favoured the defending Germans enough. Both the Russian steamroller and the Franco-British forces would have broken through, perhaps even to Germany itself. With a three-front war in its homeland, Germany would have quickly been defeated.
2.ii. It would perhaps have been better if it were a complete British defeat at Jutland. The term 'strategic' concerns the entire war or campaign; not just a specific portion of it, which would be concerned with the term 'strategic tactics' (yes, that is a real military term, despite its rubbish name). Only a small portion of the Grand Fleet would have been lost and, indeed, the German confidence in their Navy might swell until the point that the High Seas Fleet was ordered to engage the Grand Fleet. Obviously such a battle could only end in favour of the British. If the High Seas Fleet were eliminated, such a plan as I have shown above might easily be accomplished.

Why? The High Seas Fleet took no major offensive movements, forced no undue diversion of goods/material, sunk no ships in large number and made no threat to the Emparh. The only purpose to another battle after Jutland would have been to see more people killed unecessarily.

3. See 2. above. The High Seas Fleet prolonged the war as long as it was in existence.

Our Dreadnoughts were outclassed-- they were poorly armoured in comparison to Admiral Scheer's. Further, Germany's sailors scored more hits than Britain's with fewer ships-- they weren't that poorly trained.

4. You seem to be missing the fact that there were multiple types of Dreadnoughts. Those commanded by Admiral Jellicoe and Admiral Beatty were designed for speed, not armour. That is why they reached the High Seas Fleet's position first, despite Admiral Jellicoe actually being a longer distance away than the Grand Fleet at first.


Nelson's tactics were creative and brave, and again secured a tactical victory. He was arguably Britain's finest admiral in all of history, but his accomplishment ought to be kept in context. He re-secured a hold over the sea that had been won by others, first from the Dutch under de Ruyter, then from the Spanish during the War of Succession, then from the French during the Seven Years War. All of these deserve your respect, sir, not just Nelson.

5. I have not said that I do not respect the others. I merely mention the fact that Nelson's was the most obvious show of British naval power perhaps in all history. As I said earlier, I meant my jibe in jest.


Except that Alfred von Tirpitz, when he was still in favour with the Kaiser, posited that even in defeat, his better armoured warships could damage the Grand Fleet so badly that it was forced to retire. Obviously, this strategy only half-worked, and the Kaiser over-compensated by locking it up so that it wouldn't come to harm -You missed a full stop here.- He was, in effect, so proud of his navy that he wouldn't see it defeated again, and in so doing forced its effective defeat by making it powerless.

6. Its effective defeat? I fail to see how it can be called that, in light of my point 2. above. A navy locked up in harbour is most certainly not powerless, my good sir. It merely increases its potential. A navy that is not suffering any losses can potentially be built up more rapidly than one which is suffering losses, as the Royal Navy was doing in its role of protecting the Empire and blockading the North Sea, especially in light of the German U-Boats.

I fail to see why this is important.

7. It is important because I feel it is a slight to me to be accused of knowing little of the history of the Royal Navy, given that it is an integral part of British history, a subject which I have a burning interest in.
Although I would once again like to apologise.


I edited it out and replaced it with a debate on the merits of imperialism owing to the fact that once written, some 10 or so posts had occured that made it seem a tad... unecessary.

Oh, I read every single post in the thread when I go on. It's quite amusing, really, and also the sort of thing that I would do. Being disabled, I have quite a lot of free time on my hands, as you can see with my frequently long posts.

Minaris:

Go away. You're not being funny, creative or intelligent, and you have yet to say something of substance. It's getting to the point of trolling, and it's not necessary. So, OOCly, I'm asking you to leave.

I would tend to agree with this, despite being so late that he is now offering to undermine the opposing parties in the NationStates Parliament. He was getting a bit out of order, whether or not he meant it in fun.

Once again, Gurguvungunit, I would like to apologise. I feel that I am perhaps being a bit immature in my pursuing of this, but it is a matter of honour to me. Alas for all those premature deaths suffered by those obsessed with honour!



Anyway, I would like to apologise for my long absence, chaps. I had actually intended posting about a week ago (in fact, it was this post, the debate with Gurguvungunit, that I was intending to post) but Firefox went berserk and deleted the entire post that I'd carefully spent half an hour typing out. :mad: Rather annoyed me, that did.
Glad to hear that we won the elections though! Just goes to show the natural superiority of the NBIP. Three cheers! Hip hip, huzzah! Hip hip, huzzah! Hip hip, HUZZAH!
And congratulations, Philosophy, on that marvellous constitution. Spendid piece of work. :)
Might I suggest Krensonia and Gurguvungunit for MPs, or do I have to do it by NationStates telegram? They both have excellent qualities which would serve the party well in Parliament.

A toast of tea to the NBIP! *sips a cup*

The Right Honourable Lord Sir Ilaer, CBE, OBE, MBE, Lord Chancellor
Krensonia
08-10-2006, 17:36
Oi! Good sahs! Congratulations everyone on our glorious victory in the NSG Elections! We have truly showed our superiority over the other parties (Not that this was not clear earlier..) Truely. Sah Philosopy, you have done a jolly good job on leading us this far. It was your great inspiration and British-ness that led us this far. Her Majesty must be truely proud of you.

Now good Sahs. I am not completely aware of how the NSG parlaiment works. But we might just have to find Coalition Partners as those filthy buggers from the CypsWP have quite a sizeable amount of the votes. I say, good sahs. We must certainly not ally with those bloody nut heads. Or neither with the MOBRA. It took us quite some trouble to shoot do--.. Clean those devious props they brought into our office. Actually I am not sure who we would make Coalition Partners with against those damned foreigners.

But no matter! I say, good sahs, we now continue to consume large quantities of Tea! And celebrate with a jolly good hunting! Huzzah!

Good Save the Queen! For the Emparh!
Vacuumhead
08-10-2006, 17:56
Now good Sahs. I am not completely aware of how the NSG parlaiment works. But we might just have to find Coalition Partners as those filthy buggers from the CypsWP have quite a sizeable amount of the votes. I say, good sahs. We must certainly not ally with those bloody nut heads. Or neither with the MOBRA. It took us quite some trouble to shoot do--.. Clean those devious props they brought into our office. Actually I am not sure who we would make Coalition Partners with against those damned foreigners.



We will certainly not ally ourselves with CypsW, that party has nothing to offer besides from the usual postwhoring shite (pardon my French). However, MORBA do not seem so bad. If we can manage to sort out our differences then I for one would support an alliance with them. They are better by far than those pirate scum, wot!
Krensonia
08-10-2006, 18:08
We will certainly not ally ourselves with CypsW, that party has nothing to offer besides from the usual postwhoring shite (pardon my French). However, MORBA do not seem so bad. If we can manage to sort out our differences then I for one would support an alliance with them. They are better by far than those pirate scum, wot!

But but... My lady! Those damn rodents have infested our glorious office! Do you not remember how we.. erhm.. bravely fought against their... posters!.. (By the way, dear lady.. have you managed to speak to the decorater about the new walls?
Revasser
08-10-2006, 19:07
I say, perhaps we could stipulate in the alliance that they are to confine themselves to stationing a few bilge rats in the Royal Navy, but otherwise keep their rodent minions out of our hair, wot?
Krensonia
08-10-2006, 20:29
I say, perhaps we could stipulate in the alliance that they are to confine themselves to stationing a few bilge rats in the Royal Navy, but otherwise keep their rodent minions out of our hair, wot?

Good sah, I am firmly against allying with those bloody rodents. I wish to urge my fellow NBIP'ers that it would be a horrid decision to ally with them. Can you imagine sharing seats with them :eek: . And what about finding rat poo poo in our Tea? Oh the horror! God save us all (and the Queen) from such things!
Philosopy
08-10-2006, 21:23
Just an hour left until the voting closes, chaps! The vote is currently harder to seperate than a Frenchman from his garlic, wot!
Philosopy
08-10-2006, 22:42
Well, the voting has closed chaps, and I'm pleased to announce the winners, wotwot!

Firstly, our glorious founder, the Duke of Westminster, The Most Hon. Lord Sir Praetonia CBE OBE MBE, Duke of Westminister! Huzzah!

Secondly, my good friend and colleague, The Rt. Hon. Lord Sir Rubiconic Crossings CBE OBE MBE, First Lord of the Admiralty and Minister for Tea! Pip pip!

I haven't actually seen the Admiral for a few days, alas, so we'll give him until Parliament wants the names finalised to accept his position; if not, it will go to the first runner up!

Twas a close contest, old boys - don't worry too much if you didn't get a seat this time; you can still take part in the Parliamentary debates, wotwot! And we shall continue to sail forth into a glorious future, where we have all the seats for ourselves!

Huzzah for the Emparh!
Vacuumhead
08-10-2006, 22:51
Congratulations to Sir Praetonia and Sir Rubiconic Crossings. Those two chaps thoroughly deserve to be MPs, although so did many other of our respected NBIP members. I hope that every one of you will continue to work hard for Queen and Emparh. Huzzah! :)
Vacuumhead
08-10-2006, 22:57
I say, perhaps we could stipulate in the alliance that they are to confine themselves to stationing a few bilge rats in the Royal Navy, but otherwise keep their rodent minions out of our hair, wot?

I am glad that a good sah such as yourself agrees with forming an alliance with MORBA. Although this idea has caused a little controversy, so I think we should discuss this some more before I contact the MORBA leader. Lord Philosopy, what do you say?
Philosopy
08-10-2006, 23:05
I am glad that a good sah such as yourself agrees with forming an alliance with MORBA. Although this idea has caused a little controversy, so I think we should discuss this some more before I contact the MORBA leader. Lord Philosopy, what do you say?
Well, good Lady Sah, I am not opposed to the idea of alliances; we are a pragmatic people, wot! I think we need to have a good cuppa first though and decide exactly what we want assistance with - no need giving away good tea for no reason, wotwot!

Perhaps you could outline some of your ideas for legislation for this Parliament, old sport? Aside from the total enactment of our manifesto, of course!
Minaris
08-10-2006, 23:10
TDP brings you gifts. However, we have a series of questions to determine the party's authenticity.

1) What would you like to drink? Will you want anything inside that drink (i.e., lemon, milk, lime, etc.)

2) What non-British European country is the most civilized? Which is the least? Which is the second least?

3) Which colony of yours is the most necessay?

4) What is your favorite song?

Post the answers below.
Philosopy
08-10-2006, 23:17
TDP brings you gifts. However, we have a series of questions to determine the party's authenticity.

1) What would you like to drink? Will you want anything inside that drink (i.e., lemon, milk, lime, etc.)

2) What non-British European country is the most civilized? Which is the least? Which is the second least?

3) Which colony of yours is the most necessay?

4) What is your favorite song?

Post the answers below.
What, wot?

This is a party political thread, not bleeding Mastermind, good sah!
Minaris
08-10-2006, 23:18
What, wot?

This is a party political thread, not bleeding Mastermind, good sah!

I am testing your party to see if the Queen approves, good sah! I do not mean to offend.
Minaris
09-10-2006, 00:55
Excuse my posting again.

I have doubts that you blokes are true Brits, as you cannot even answer my questions.

Please hurry with that, good sahs!

Every second you delay is another embarassmen to the Queen, who thought you were true Loyalists!
Zouloukistan
09-10-2006, 01:15
Wot, as Minsiter for the Eradication of Coffee, I shall do my best to answer, by Jolly!

1) What would you like to drink? Will you want anything inside that drink (i.e., lemon, milk, lime, etc.) Wot, tea of course!!

2) What non-British European country is the most civilized? Which is the least? Which is the second least? By George! I fear I am only a damn colonist and thus, I cannot answer.

3) Which colony of yours is the most necessay?Sah, I dare say the Indias, which supply us in tea, are the most important, though I may be wrong...

4) What is your favorite song? I am personnaly fond of Penny Lane, by the Beatles, all four Knights of the British Emparh!

However, keep in mind I am only a damn Canadian, and thus I may be wrong.

Congratulations to all, ladies, gentlemen!!
Minaris
09-10-2006, 01:25
Wot, as Minsiter for the Eradication of Coffee, I shall do my best to answer, by Jolly!

Wot, tea of course!!
ONLY half-answered

By George! I fear I am only a damn colonist and thus, I cannot answer.
You are thusly disqualified. Let a Brit answer (Philosophy or Gurgunguvit person

Sah, I dare say the Indias, which supply us in tea, are the most important, though I may be wrong...
Indias? Nope

I am personnaly fond of Penny Lane, by the Beatles, all four Knights of the British Emparh!
Almost.

However, keep in mind I am only a damn Canadian, and thus I may be wrong.
You are not qualified to answer

Congratulations to all, ladies, gentlemen!!

Comments in bold. Philosophy, I trust you can cover for this "n00b" and be a true Brit, correct, sah?
The Friesland colony
09-10-2006, 07:50
Comments in bold. Philosophy, I trust you can cover for this "n00b" and be a true Brit, correct, sah?

I say! Your comments make my hair prickle with anger! There is no single answer to the second half of question 1, because we all like it differant! I like a suger and a drop of whiska, myself. The comment on the second question is blatantly at odds with the equality of British subjects! Were he a filthy cessationist, then I might understand your reasoning, but mere Canadianism is no grounds for disqualification! Your third comment makes it sound like you are the one who decides, rather than these honourable members. Jealous at our ellectoral succes, eh? I believe in the fourth, "knights" was being used somewhat figuratively, although I have little knowledge of this. And finally, how dare you use such a crass slur as "n00b" on your obvious superior!

My answers:
1)Tea, various additions
2)All bloody Europeans in my opinion (although France is particulalry uncouth)
3)India, tea supplier
4)Rule Brittania/God Save the Queen (first equal)

Now, on the subject of a proposed alliance with MOBRA, I say "bah!". Nevertheless, it could allow the evacuation of some tommies in a tight spot over in their thread, and better those barbarians than P&P or CypsWP!
Praetonia
09-10-2006, 11:35
TDP brings you gifts. However, we have a series of questions to determine the party's authenticity.

1) What would you like to drink? Will you want anything inside that drink (i.e., lemon, milk, lime, etc.)
Tea, with milk. No sugar.

2) What non-British European country is the most civilized? Which is the least? Which is the second least?
Germany is the most civlised (excluding Britain).
France is the least civilised.
Russia is the second least civilised. If you don't class Russia as European, Belgium is the second least civilised.

3) Which colony of yours is the most necessay?
The Falklands, of course. They're the key to the British Antarctic Territory, which is sitting on quite a considerable amount of oil... all we need do now is count down the years until the Antarctic Mining Ban expires/

4) What is your favorite song?

Rule Britannia, of course!

However, you spelt 'favourite' incorrectly in that last question, which casts a grave shadow of doubt over the reliability of the entire test.
Harlesburg
09-10-2006, 12:11
You're a bunch of bloody traitors!
I'm sure we had a previous aggrement!
Minaris
09-10-2006, 21:48
Tea, with milk. No sugar.

This answer is accepted.

Germany is the most civlised (excluding Britain).
France is the least civilised.
Russia is the second least civilised. If you don't class Russia as European, Belgium is the second least civilised.

WRONG!!!! It goes Italy, France, Germany.

The Falklands, of course. They're the key to the British Antarctic Territory, which is sitting on quite a considerable amount of oil... all we need do now is count down the years until the Antarctic Mining Ban expires/

FALSE. Correct answer: India!

Rule Britannia, of course!

However, you spelt 'favourite' incorrectly in that last question, which casts a grave shadow of doubt over the reliability of the entire test.

WRONG. "God Save The Queen"

Your score: 2/4 Brit rating: Irish! :p

I say, good sahs, your party is a shame to The Queen! Good day!
Minaris
09-10-2006, 21:51
I say! Your comments make my hair prickle with anger! There is no single answer to the second half of question 1, because we all like it differant! I like a suger and a drop of whiska, myself. The comment on the second question is blatantly at odds with the equality of British subjects! Were he a filthy cessationist, then I might understand your reasoning, but mere Canadianism is no grounds for disqualification! Your third comment makes it sound like you are the one who decides, rather than these honourable members. Jealous at our ellectoral succes, eh? I believe in the fourth, "knights" was being used somewhat figuratively, although I have little knowledge of this. And finally, how dare you use such a crass slur as "n00b" on your obvious superior!

My answers:
1)Tea, various additions
2)All bloody Europeans in my opinion (although France is particulalry uncouth)
3)India, tea supplier
4)Rule Brittania/God Save the Queen (first equal)

Now, on the subject of a proposed alliance with MOBRA, I say "bah!". Nevertheless, it could allow the evacuation of some tommies in a tight spot over in their thread, and better those barbarians than P&P or CypsWP!

1) Good
2) Didn't answer question fully. 1/2 point
3) CORRECT
4) 1/2 point


Your score: 3/4 Rating: Brit

Good job, Philosophy! all you have to do is follow directions!

This party is not bad at being Brit.

However, another answered the questions with a rate of 2/4.

I shall take... yours, Philosophy, seeing as you are the higher-up.

Minaris hereby certifies this party as being truly British. Congratulations!
Vacuumhead
09-10-2006, 22:04
Minaris, since when did you become the expert on all things British? I doubt that a little snot such as yourself truly knows what is involved in serving Queen and country. It does not matter what I like to add to my tea, or what I think of those bloody Europeans. I am a proud Brit, wot!
Minaris
09-10-2006, 23:29
Minaris, since when did you become the expert on all things British? I doubt that a little snot such as yourself truly knows what is involved in serving Queen and country. It does not matter what I like to add to my tea, or what I think of those bloody Europeans. I am a proud Brit, wot!

Sure you are...

Actually, I know Brit stuff, so...
Harlesburg
10-10-2006, 07:24
Who is in charge here?
Who would like to parlée with me to discuss issues of interest?
If there is any interest in such a meeting please feel free to visit me in my abode in the Shire.

Marmadas Harlesburg
Minister of Land Development(sic)
Interim Leader of MOBRA
The Friesland colony
10-10-2006, 07:44
Who is in charge here?
Who would like to parlée with me to discuss issues of interest?
If there is any interest in such a meeting please feel free to visit me in my abode in the Shire.

Marmadas Harlesburg
Minister of Land Development(sic)
Interim Leader of MOBRA

*Whispering* I shall organise a peaceful honourguard with our handy new mini-maxims hidden under their clothes *Whispering*
Harlesburg
10-10-2006, 08:01
*Whispering* I shall organise a peaceful honourguard with our handy new mini-maxims hidden under their clothes *Whispering*
This isn't Warcraft!
There will be no killing of Lord Lothar, by devious means!:mad:
*Places attack Gophers in underground positions*
Dixie State
10-10-2006, 08:05
You do know that it was the Prussians who won The Battle of Waterloo right?
I say, I did I loose my tea rations old boy?
Gurguvungunit
10-10-2006, 08:45
This first segment is in response to Ilaer, and could rightly be ignored by all others present.

I'm going to abandon the quote format, if only because the tags get annoying and do tend to pile up. Also, I'm going to lose the 'sahs' and suchlike-- and the grandstanding about respecting Drake and Raleigh.

As you pointed out, you were joking. As was I, although I suspect that I failed to make that particular aspect clear. And apology accepted, although I maintain that it is unecessary-- we're both being a tad childish, but I don't mind. I find this whole thing fascinating. In direct regards to Nelson and Trafalgar, I should say that we agree. Trafalgar was a brilliant set-piece victory which served to uphold the status-quo and subsequently terrify the other Imperialist nations. It certainly was rather intimidating, and showed that Britain's strength wasn't based solely upon numbers but also upon skill and valour. But as long as we're patting ourselves on the back...

It seems that the central topic of this debate is Jutland, and the idea of a 'fleet in being' as a viable strategy for sea-control. The 'fleet in being', of course, refers to the idea that if a fleet exists at all, it becomes a threat to enemies, even if said fleet never attempts to assert itself at sea. Its mere existence, the theory holds, is enough to project power.

And in a sense, this is true. A nation (such as Britain) must devote resources in the form of ships and supplies to maintain a blockade of such a fleet-- as Britain did upon France, Spain, Holland and Germany at various points in history. As it happens, Britian is ideally placed to control the French and Dutch coasts, while British posessions such as Port Mahon and Gibraltar control Spanish sea-access. But I digress.

Of course it would have been better had the Grand Fleet struck a resounding blow to the High Seas Fleet. If Scheer's ability to project power was utterly annihilated rather than simply contained, the war would have ended sooner, much like you describe. But as it stands, the Royal Navy's dreadnoughts were ill-equipped (excluding ships of the HMS Warspite's type; the 'super-dreadnoughts) to stand in line against the German fleet in a conventional battle. While Jellicoe's fleet could easily outrun the German vessels, in the specific context of a battle like Jutland, they had difficulty facing ships with superior armour and equal skill. Ergo, a battle in which the Grand Fleet achieved a 'Trafalgar-like' victory over the High Seas Fleet would have been somewhat unlikely-- Jutland was a decent enough victory.

The 'Fleet in being' theory only functions if the enemy must devote a significant amount of its seapower to the containment of said fleet, or if said fleet is so large (as Britain's was) as to be impossible for any one nation to contain. Britain's fleet at the time outnumbered the High Seas Fleet by a fair margin, even after incurring more losses at Jutland. Had Germany sortied, there would have been another, likely inconclusive battle which would have sent the two fleets home to lick their wounds again.

But Britain could field more ships more quickly than Germany could, and this was why the High Seas Fleet was never a threat after Jutland. For every ship the Germans had, Britain had one too, plus half as many again. As the Kaiser's fleet lost its edge in port, Britain's was at sea every day.

Further, the idea of 'fleet in being' holds that you manage to divert an enemy's navy-- presumably from something else. But Germany's only ocean going fleet was the High Seas Fleet, and Britain faced no other significant enemies at sea. Quite simply, it didn't matter that Britian needed to divert almost all of the Grand Fleet to contain the High Seas Fleet, because there was nothing particularly important to divert it from.

The contention that a sound British defeat would have been a good thing makes no sense. Assuming that Scheer inflicted even more disproportionate losses upon Jellicoe at Jutland, he would have suddenly been the owner of the most powerful dreadnought fleet. It has already been established that pre-dreadnoughts couldn't stand against a dreadnought type, and the majority (although obviously not all) of Britian's North Atlantic Station/Home Fleet dreadnoughts were present at Jutland. Had these been destroyed, Scheer would have had perhaps three weeks (during which time other dreadnoughts from Asian and Mediterranean stations were recalled) to run relatively unopposed in the Channel. Also, the loss of Britain's dreadnought fleet would have cost the Empire collossal sums of money which, quite simply, it could not afford at the time. It would have meant reduced ship-numbers after the war, and resultingly fewer hulls built for WWII as the older fleet was replaced.

Essentially, even as a 'fleet in being', the High Seas Fleet was too small a threat when held against the Grand Fleet. Further, the diversion of resources wasn't a fatal (or even somewhat ruinous) one-- Britain had little else to attend to at the time. In a 'total war' mentality, Britian was willing to make minor sacrifices abroad to protect itself at home.

My writing, obviously, is suffering from it being midnight and me being tired. I probably didn't acquit myself too well here, but there you go! Further, I would rather like to thank you for the nomination, my good sah. However, I am pleased with the results. The Duke of Westminster and the First Sea Lord are fully acceptable MPs in my book, and while I would like to have tacked an MP on myself, I am content to see others who have contributed more than I.

And to the absurd claim that the Prussians won the battle of Waterloo, I have this to say, my good sah.

Wellington's men stood on the hill for an entire day, under constant and heavy fire from Napoleon's artillery-- the best in Europe. They repulsed repeated attacks by his columns, and stood the full force of his cavalry. The Prussians' main contribution was in pure weight of men-- and it was psychological. They captured Placenoit-- only to be driven out. The Prussians recaptured it, and were driven out.

The only significant Prussian contribution was a passive one-- they strengthened Wellington's left, so that he could in turn strengthen his centre. And it was that centre which withstood the attack by the Imperial Guard, not the Prussians. In the wake of the Guards' attack, Napoleon's forces were routed. And it was most certainly not through the direct contribution of the Prussians-- only their timely arrival and subsequent standing still in a line.

Minaris! You're back! Life was getting so dull around here-- we need a few cads to lighten up the place. But I warn you, boyo. Insult a lady again and you'll have my sword to deal with, as well as hers!

As for my previous comment towards you, it was borne of confusion. You see, your previous post had been out of character (the Imperialism rant) and so I naturally assumed that you continued your out of character comments as the page progressed. Hence, my hostile reaction.

Any time you feel the need to debate the merits of the Emparh, do drop me a line. Meantime, I highly reccomend the book Empire, by Niall Ferguson. Might be a Damned Scotchman, but he's a brilliant historian.
Harlesburg
10-10-2006, 10:33
You do know that it was the Prussians who won The Battle of Waterloo right?
I say, I did I loose my tea rations old boy?
Hardly true, all they did was open fire on the British!
Demonic Gophers
11-10-2006, 00:54
This isn't Warcraft!
There will be no killing of Lord Lothar, by devious means!:mad:
*Places attack Gophers in underground positions*

*Moves back from listening post at the tunnel entrance previously mentioned*

*Joins the guarding Gopher troops*
Minaris
11-10-2006, 02:14
*Mech army appears*

Can you beat this, NBIP? :p
Demonic Gophers
11-10-2006, 02:31
*Glances at monitor*

Oh dear, something seems to have fallen into Pit 5 along the defensive perimeter... Looks like a collection of giant robots or some such.

Oh well.

*Taps button on detonator*
~Beep!~


Don’t interrupt MOBRA when we’re attending a meeting.
Minaris
11-10-2006, 02:48
*Glances at monitor*

Oh dear, something seems to have fallen into Pit 5 along the defensive perimeter... Looks like a collection of giant robots or some such.

Oh well.

*Taps button on detonator*
~Beep!~


Don’t interrupt MOBRA when we’re attending a meeting.

Time for Round 2...

73h n00k50r5!!!!

*nukes head for meeting*
Demonic Gophers
11-10-2006, 02:55
*Shoots down n00kz with orbiting Science Fantasy battle fleet*

You realize they'd be all but useless against MOBRA anyway, right? We live under ground, automatically in bomb shelters. Nuking a meeting the acting MOBRA leader is attending would be a really bad idea.
Minaris
11-10-2006, 03:22
*Shoots down n00kz with orbiting Science Fantasy battle fleet*

You realize they'd be all but useless against MOBRA anyway, right? We live under ground, automatically in bomb shelters. Nuking a meeting the acting MOBRA leader is attending would be a really bad idea.

Round 3- M3730R5!!!!!

*Light-massed (aka unable to be repelled by n00ks0rs) meteors come toward the meeting, preparing to smash them.*
Demonic Gophers
11-10-2006, 04:00
....
How off Earth are you controlling meteors now? And what do you mean by "Light-massed"?

Anyway...

(Above-mentioned Battle Fleet, equiped with top of the line energy shields, intercepts the incoming meteors and uses them for fuel.)
The Friesland colony
11-10-2006, 08:05
This isn't Warcraft!
There will be no killing of Lord Lothar, by devious means!:mad:
*Places attack Gophers in underground positions*

He's not Lord Lothar! However, if we have to make this agreement the dull way, I can persuade them to settle for big sabres...

You do know that it was the Prussians who won The Battle of Waterloo right?
I say, I did I loose my tea rations old boy?

For that statement, you will! Doubtlessly, both allied armies were crucial to the winning of the battle, but us considerable moreso! If not for us, the Prussians, with a full corps engaged in rearguard and thinned by their previous defeat at Ligne, would've been unable to overcome Bonie! It was our Redcoats who stood and held the line against the frogs: the sausage-guzzlers merely outflanked them!

For this dishonor to the Iron Duke, I forbid you becoming Colonel-in-Chief on any regiment (not even the King's German Legion, damn your eyes, sausage-guzzler)!
Harlesburg
11-10-2006, 09:13
*Shoots down n00kz with orbiting Science Fantasy battle fleet*

You realize they'd be all but useless against MOBRA anyway, right? We live under ground, automatically in bomb shelters. Nuking a meeting the acting MOBRA leader is attending would be a really bad idea.
DG, you don't need to shoot down the n00kz, it is part of the MOBRA plan anyways...
http://img36.echo.cx/img36/7812/nuke0qy.jpg
Zouloukistan
11-10-2006, 13:17
For this dishonor to the Iron Duke
dishonor
Wot! Please correct that misspelling at once! I cannot bear such... such... such a refuse! For the Queen's sake, by George!
Awesome Rays
11-10-2006, 13:41
:fluffle:
Philosopy
11-10-2006, 19:36
Oh dear, chaps, it seems that The Rt. Hon. Lord Sir Rubiconic Crossings hasn't accepted the invitation to become an MP! As such, it will have to go to the first runner up, which is...

*Big Imperial Drumroll*

The Rt. Hon. Lord Sir The Friesland colony!

Congratulations, wot!

If both yourself and The Most Hon. Lord Sir Praetonia could confirm that you're willing to take your seats, I'd be most grateful, wotwot!
Zouloukistan
11-10-2006, 23:44
Wot, I cheerfully congratulate our chaps for the seats! Wot, have a cup of tea!!
Gurguvungunit
11-10-2006, 23:49
*raises eyebrows at Minaris*

Nuclear weaponry, sah? Bad form! Come here and fight the Emparh honourably, or not at all. To your original query-- in regards to our military capabilities, I have this to say:

The 'Mech, or more properly the BattleMech, is pure, utter hogwash. Quite simply, it is more delicate, unstable and poorly armed than an equivalently sized tank or other AFV. Its legs are vulnerable to fire, its construction is more complex (it would require complex balancing servos and artificial intelligence to stand properly) and it can hold fewer weapon systems than a tank.

The 'Mech's internal space is limited by its design-- the hull is high-stress and the load-bearing points are difficult to support adequately. A direct hit to the 'shoulder' could easily take out the entire arm (and presumably several weapons), since one cannot armour a joint as well as one can solid hull. The 'Mech has several 'joints', while the tank has only one-- the turret ring. The tank is also better able to traverse varied terrain. While the 'Mech must maintain balance on two relatively small points (or one at a time when walking), it is less stable than a tank, which has larger ground-area and a lower profile.

But then, sah, I expect that you were not looking for a dose of cold facts, so I shall give you this instead:

I sendz fleat too j00 4 kill!!1six.
Minaris
12-10-2006, 01:30
....
How off Earth are you controlling meteors now? And what do you mean by "Light-massed"?


A) Because...

I... am...












GOD!!!!!!!!:p :p :p

B) Too light to be n00ked out of the sky.
Harlesburg
12-10-2006, 08:08
Philosopy we should talk non?
Free shepmagans
12-10-2006, 08:16
*Attacks NBIP with Cthulu for no reason* http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m123/gatelover12/cthulhucleanup.gif BTWE, that little speck he's flicking is a person.
Philosopy
12-10-2006, 08:54
Philosopy we should talk non?

I say old chap, I'm willing to talk, wot! I'm just working very hard on Her Majesty's business at the moment, so it will take me longer than normal to reply, old sport!

So, what would you like to talk about? W.G. Grace's batting average, or perhaps about that bloody downpour yesterday?
Minaris
13-10-2006, 03:45
*Saves thread*

You're welcome, good sahs!
Free shepmagans
13-10-2006, 03:47
*Saves thread*

You're welcome, good sahs!

:headbang: It was almost dead!:gundge:
Minaris
13-10-2006, 03:56
:headbang: It was almost dead!:gundge:

And I saved it.

In compensation, I demand a seat in Parliament.
Little Monkies
13-10-2006, 09:06
Jolly good show, chaps!

Have we nominated our MPs yet? If not, I vote for Lady Vacuumhead wot!

*Drinks celebratory cup of tea*
Philosopy
13-10-2006, 12:03
Jolly good show, chaps!

Have we nominated our MPs yet? If not, I vote for Lady Vacuumhead wot!

*Drinks celebratory cup of tea*
Lady Vacummhead has already been nominated, sah, pip pip!

We do seem to be struggling to fill the other two seats though, wotwot - The Most Honourable selected members appear to have been distracted, like dear, departed Aust, by some posh totty! If they don't come back soon, I'm just going to have to give the seats to the first person who says they want them, wot! It's time to get legislating so we can make the Queen the Head of NSG as soon as possible!

Huzzah for Emparh!
Ifreann
13-10-2006, 12:06
*distracts NBIP MPs with free tea in the parliament bar*
Mwahahahaha
Philosopy
13-10-2006, 12:24
*distracts NBIP MPs with free tea in the parliament bar*
Mwahahahaha
NBIP members are more than able to hold their drink, good sah!

I challenge you to a dual! The first to down 10 cups of tea wins a colony!

*Starts drinking*
Ifreann
13-10-2006, 12:29
NBIP members are more than able to hold their drink, good sah!

I challenge you to a dual! The first to down 10 cups of tea wins a colony!

*Starts drinking*

*irishes up the tea*
*is unable to resist*
*drinks violently*
Philosopy
13-10-2006, 12:35
*irishes up the tea*
*is unable to resist*
*drinks violently*
My, is all you have had, good sah? I have finished, wot!

But, I shall tip my hat in respect. That was a fine effort on your part, almost worthy of a British sire! No colony for you, but you are welcome to Belgium if you wish to take it, wotwot!
Minaris
13-10-2006, 12:48
I said I wanted the seat first. :cool:
The Friesland colony
13-10-2006, 13:00
Oh dear, chaps, it seems that The Rt. Hon. Lord Sir Rubiconic Crossings hasn't accepted the invitation to become an MP! As such, it will have to go to the first runner up, which is...

*Big Imperial Drumroll*

The Rt. Hon. Lord Sir The Friesland colony!

Congratulations, wot!

If both yourself and The Most Hon. Lord Sir Praetonia could confirm that you're willing to take your seats, I'd be most grateful, wotwot!

I am most honoured (thank you very much) to be selected for this post and will gladly give everything I can for Queen and country! Huzzah!

My first policy is this: Britain requires a larger army to defend her navy and a larger navy to defend her army (nothing aggressive about it all)!
Philosopy
13-10-2006, 13:04
I am most honoured (thank you very much) to be selected for this post and will gladly give everything I can for Queen and country! Huzzah!
Huzzah! I'm delighted you have accepted the offer, pip pip! Now, if The Most Hon. Lord Sir Praetonia will accept his seat, we can get started on our glorious Parliamentary campaign!
Ifreann
13-10-2006, 13:05
My, is all you have had, good sah? I have finished, wot!

But, I shall tip my hat in respect. That was a fine effort on your part, almost worthy of a British sire! No colony for you, but you are welcome to Belgium if you wish to take it, wotwot!

I guess Belgium will do. It's a bit French, but I can weed that out of the population with a bad on cheese, frogs, wine, and lots of other stereotypically french things.
Minaris
14-10-2006, 12:42
Here i come to sav the day!


Seriously, is there anything NEW for NBIP?
The Friesland colony
14-10-2006, 13:00
We're waiting for Preatonia.

*Orders a regiment to engage Cthulhu with raw logic, defeating him*
Philosopy
14-10-2006, 13:03
I must say, I do feel rather inclined to offer it to someone else, wot! I haven't seen the Grand Old Duke for sometime!

Perhaps good Krensonia would like it? Or Lord Hamilay?

Someone take this seat, old sports! There is free tea at the Parliament bar, wot!
Ifreann
14-10-2006, 13:05
We're waiting for Preatonia.

*Orders a regiment to engage Cthulhu with raw logic, defeating him*

Personally, I prefer my logic well done. But then again, I'm not Cthulhu.
Minaris
14-10-2006, 13:46
I want a large order of logic, make it raw, a large order of fries, and a large chocolate/vanilla Frostie.
Little Monkies
14-10-2006, 13:49
Lady Vacummhead has already been nominated, sah, pip pip!

We do seem to be struggling to fill the other two seats though, wotwot - The Most Honourable selected members appear to have been distracted, like dear, departed Aust, by some posh totty! If they don't come back soon, I'm just going to have to give the seats to the first person who says they want them, wot! It's time to get legislating so we can make the Queen the Head of NSG as soon as possible!

Huzzah for Emparh!

Are you taking a seat, sah?

Long live the Queen wot!
Praetonia
14-10-2006, 16:24
If I am not too late, I would like to graciously accept my seat in what I am sure shall become Her Majesty's parliament. Unfortunately my computer has been afflicted by programmes of the most virulent nature in recent days and I have only just recently been able to restore it to working order.

I wish all of my fellow NBIP MPs the best of luck in creating a truly British NSG!

God save the Queen!
Philosopy
14-10-2006, 16:34
If I am not too late, I would like to graciously accept my seat in what I am sure shall become Her Majesty's parliament. Unfortunately my computer has been afflicted by programmes of the most virulent nature in recent days and I have only just recently been able to restore it to working order.

I wish all of my fellow NBIP MPs the best of luck in creating a truly British NSG!

God save the Queen!
Huzzah!!! The seat is yours, good sah!

I shall now announce our 4 members to the Parliament!
Philosopy
14-10-2006, 21:13
Don't forget, chaps, that even if you didn't get a seat this time Her Majesty still values your input enormously! Let us make sure together that the NBIP voice is the loudest in the land!

Pip pip!
Vacuumhead
14-10-2006, 21:33
Here i come to sav the day!


Seriously, is there anything NEW for NBIP?

I am terribly sorry kid, we are not here just to entertain the children. Have you got nothing else to do besides from getting in the way of your elders and betters?
Minaris
14-10-2006, 21:34
I am terribly sorry kid, we are not here just to entertain the children. Have you got nothing else to do besides from getting in the way of your elders and betters?

I saved your thread! No thank-you?
Philosopy
14-10-2006, 21:37
I saved your thread! No thank-you?
You did no such thing, wot! The thread doesn't 'die' because it falls out of the days posts! It was simply waiting for our MPs to take up their positions, nothing more, wotwot!
Minaris
14-10-2006, 21:38
You did no such thing, wot! The thread doesn't 'die' because it falls out of the days posts! It was simply waiting for our MPs to take up their positions, nothing more, wotwot!

it was on the last page.
Philosopy
14-10-2006, 21:40
it was on the last page.
I assure you it would not have 'died', wot!
Minaris
14-10-2006, 21:44
I assure you it would not have 'died', wot!

It was about 4 replies away from being X-|
Philosopy
14-10-2006, 21:46
It was about 4 replies away from being X-|

Well, you can go on thinking that, old boy, but I assure you that the thread would still have been here whenever we wanted it!
Zouloukistan
15-10-2006, 14:18
Wot, by George! We shan't let it die, we shall fight to the last cup, to the last tea leafe!! Huzzah for the Queen!
Zouloukistan
15-10-2006, 14:18
Wot, by George! We shan't let it die, we shall fight to the last cup, to the last tea leafe!! Huzzah for the Queen!
Harlesburg
16-10-2006, 11:24
I say old chap, I'm willing to talk, wot! I'm just working very hard on Her Majesty's business at the moment, so it will take me longer than normal to reply, old sport!

So, what would you like to talk about? W.G. Grace's batting average, or perhaps about that bloody downpour yesterday?
LOL,
Harlesburg
17-10-2006, 11:00
LOL,
Strange, i could have sworn i said i would TG you...
Harlesburg
17-10-2006, 11:07
LOL,

Strange, i could have sworn i said i would TG you...
Of course i didn't mean TG myself, i meant Philosopy..
Philosopy
17-10-2006, 16:51
TG? I have received no TG...

I'm not sure when this bloody Parliament is even starting at the moment, wot!
Ilaer
17-10-2006, 17:16
I say, dear chaps, but we do appear to be slowing down somewhat on the matter of posts. I remember the days when there seemed to be something like twenty or thirty a day coming in and the thread resounded with the ancient call of 'wot!' and the quiet sounds of those sipping tea.
Indeed, it seems that the word count of mine and Gurguvungunit's posts, our historical debate, is combined more than the total number of words in posts for the last four days!
We really must pick up the pace, my dear fellows. Perhaps this tiring Election has exhausted you all, but remember: Britain calls upon thee to strengthen her!

And my most resounding congratulations to the entire party for our stunning victory, which no matter what others may say had absolutely nothing to do with the fact that our membership is roughly twice as large as the other parties!
I suggest a toast of tea to Philosophy who led us to such a victory! *sips tea*

And in response to Gurguvungunit: it is unusual to find such a one who shares the same burning passion for history as I do, and it is a most wondrous and interesting event when two such people engage in a debate as we have. You have most certainly put up a good show, and for that I thank you. I shall continue our debate soon, I promise, but all this blasted coursework leaves little time for such things. Alas for schools, which appear to be draining us of our will to live! They expect too much!

I hope to see a resurgence of activity soon, dear chaps, and I bid you farewell. Until we meet again!

The Right Honourable Lord Sir Ilaer, CBE, OBE, MBE, Lord Chancellor
Philosopy
17-10-2006, 17:21
-Snipped in the name of Her Majesty-
Don't worry, old boy, we are all still here and protecting Her Majesty's interests, wot! Now that the election is over though, we can only wait for the Parliament to actually start its work, wotwot! As soon as it does, the whole party will be able to comment on our exciting new legislation to implement our manifesto!

Pip pip!
Free shepmagans
17-10-2006, 17:27
:fluffle: [/drivebyfluffle]
Losing It Big TIme
17-10-2006, 17:41
Safe Britonians.

Just like to invite any disillusioned British Imperial etc etc to start a new socialist state of London town, innit, safe blud, d'ya get me?

We could, like, take over the endz and control da manor separate from da rest of da 'English' fools, know wha' I mean?

Holla back and let me know wats gwaning...
Free shepmagans
17-10-2006, 17:43
Safe Britonians.

Just like to invite any disillusioned British Imperial etc etc to start a new socialist state of London town, innit, safe blud, d'ya get me?

We could, like, take over the endz and control da manor separate from da rest of da 'English' fools, know wha' I mean?

Holla back and let me know wats gwaning...

Lol Chavs.
Losing It Big TIme
17-10-2006, 17:46
Lol Chavs.


Nah. London. Chav is a disgusting word used by the middle classes and the media to describe the working classes and they most certainly wouldn't use the marvellous Jafakan (Fake Jamaican) language which I use because they are generally white from outside London and only Londoners speak like that....having said that:

Yes, lol Chavs....lol
Praetonia
17-10-2006, 19:11
Ironically, this "working class" of chavs are responsible for doing less work than any other physically able section of society.
Losing It Big TIme
17-10-2006, 19:15
Ironically, this "working class" of chavs are responsible for doing less work than any other physically able section of society.


ooooo, someone was quick with the generalisation. Prove this to me that every man/woman/child labelled chav by our loverly media is a lazy, anti-work so-and-so. And prove it fast and perhaps I will retract my statement.

Problematic waters into which this dialogue is sailing (language fit for the thread methinks) include a debate on the other disgusting term: 'Pikey'

Safe bredrin, dont chat shit tho' d'ya get me?

Big up yaself London town.
Free shepmagans
17-10-2006, 19:51
*gets popcorn*
Minaris
17-10-2006, 21:49
*gets popcorn*

I got the drinks.

*Grabs some popcorn and lays out lawn chairs.*

I also got cheetos, funyuns, and pizza.
Zouloukistan
17-10-2006, 22:33
And tea, of course?
Losing It Big TIme
17-10-2006, 22:35
And tea, of course?

There ain't gonna be tea in the free socialist state of laaaahndon town, we will all drink ribena and destroy the leaves of oppression (AKA Tea).

Damn skippy blud, safe rude bwoy, d'ya get me?
Free shepmagans
17-10-2006, 22:41
There ain't gonna be tea in the free socialist state of laaaahndon town, we will all drink ribena and destroy the leaves of oppression (AKA Tea).

Damn skippy blud, safe rude bwoy, d'ya get me?

Will there be coffee?
Philosopy
17-10-2006, 22:43
Will there be coffee?
Begone, filth drinking foreigner!
And tea, of course?
I say, sah, were you putting the kettle on?
Losing It Big TIme
17-10-2006, 22:44
Will there be coffee?

No. On this the Imperialists of Britian and the socialists of London will agree NO coffee for it is the drink of the Italians, French and Americans and we can be racialist socialists if we so choose.

*spits*

damn skippy, d'ya get me tho, ain't no beef ting, skibadeedoo
Free shepmagans
17-10-2006, 22:47
Begone, filth drinking foreigner!

Kiss my non-dairy creamer! *That's not as dirty as it sounds*
Philosopy
17-10-2006, 22:50
Kiss my non-dairy creamer! *That's not as dirty as it sounds*
Filth talk! When there are ladies present!

Sah, you are not a Gentleman! Are you a Frenchman, wotwot?
Losing It Big TIme
17-10-2006, 22:52
Filth talk! When there are ladies present!

Sah, you are not a Gentleman! Are you a Frenchman, wotwot?

Yo are you gonna ratatatatatatafy the separation of the great laaaaaaaaaaaaahndon town or wot man?

You lookin for ahms? You lookin for ahms? Ain't no beef tring bredren jus ratify it boss: ya get me?
Philosopy
17-10-2006, 22:55
Yo are you gonna ratatatatatatafy the separation of the great laaaaaaaaaaaaahndon town or wot man?

You lookin for ahms? You lookin for ahms? Ain't no beef tring bredren jus ratify it boss: ya get me?

Sah, I cannot even comprehend the question.

If you're asking whether London can leave the Emparh, the answer is a resounding no, wotwot!

London is Her Majesty's Capital, and shall remain that way until the end of time!
Losing It Big TIme
17-10-2006, 22:58
Sah, I cannot even comprehend the question.

If you're asking whether London can leave the Emparh, the answer is a resounding no, wotwot!

London is Her Majesty's Capital, and shall remain that way until the end of time!

But, like wot if I were to, like rahnd up the masses and have, like a marxist revolution against yous lot innit? Den you'd be well jammered innit? Have a kitchen sink about that, me old mate...
Philosopy
17-10-2006, 23:00
But, like wot if I were to, like rahnd up the masses and have, like a marxist revolution against yous lot innit? Den you'd be well jammered innit? Have a kitchen sink about that, me old mate...

Marxists? Ha! I doubt you could organise a brew up in a tea shop.

Her Majesty's Armed Forces and Police Officers shall put you in your place faster than you can say "deary me, chaps, is that the Bobbies?"
Losing It Big TIme
17-10-2006, 23:04
Marxists? Ha! I doubt you could organise a brew up in a tea shop.

Her Majesty's Armed Forces and Police Officers shall put you in your place faster than you can say "deary me, chaps, is that the Bobbies?"

*points* "Feds!"

That's fast blud, trus me trus me.
Safe tho, hows abouts if I, like, lose all my politicalismness right now like and start speaking like this wot, wot?

Then would perchance there be the opportunity, if one might graciously enquire after the fact, to run for Mayor of London in the name of the honourable gentleman's party, pip pip?

I put you under no social obligation old man, toodle-pip.
Philosopy
17-10-2006, 23:08
*points* "Feds!"

That's fast blud, trus me trus me.
Safe tho, hows abouts if I, like, lose all my politicalismness right now like and start speaking like this wot, wot?

Then would perchance there be the opportunity, if one might graciously enquire after the fact, to run for Mayor of London in the name of the honourable gentleman's party, pip pip?

I put you under no social obligation old man, toodle-pip.

Mayor of London? But Dick Whittington is doing a fine job, wotwot! But we are a democratic nation (where Her Majesty allows, gawd bless her!), so you can always run against him! And may the best man win!

Oh, and bring me a cup of tea while you're on your feet would you, old boy?
Losing It Big TIme
17-10-2006, 23:15
Mayor of London? But Dick Whittington is doing a fine job, wotwot! But we are a democratic nation (where Her Majesty allows, gawd bless her!), so you can always run against him! And may the best man win!

Oh, and bring me a cup of tea while you're on your feet would you, old boy?


Sorry squire wasn't aware that you had opened the post previously. Cup of tea was it? Indeed I shall continue to stand in order to appropriate myself with a 'cuppa' for the honorable gentleman, but first might I enquire if the purely undemocratic role of Lord Mayor of London has been nipped away by some young non-London born boy?

Wot, wot?

Terribly interesting to negotiate over a cup of tea or not wouldn't you say old boy?
Philosopy
17-10-2006, 23:21
Sorry squire wasn't aware that you had opened the post previously. Cup of tea was it? Indeed I shall continue to stand in order to appropriate myself with a 'cuppa' for the honorable gentleman, but first might I enquire if the purely undemocratic role of Lord Mayor of London has been nipped away by some young non-London born boy?

Wot, wot?

Terribly interesting to negotiate over a cup of tea or not wouldn't you say old boy?
Tea makes everything more interesting, good chap!

And Dick Whittington is doing a truly marvellous job, London born or not, wot! Why, Tube punctuality has increased ten times since his cat took over in charge of transport from Ken Livingstone!
Losing It Big TIme
17-10-2006, 23:41
Tea makes everything more interesting, good chap!

And Dick Whittington is doing a truly marvellous job, London born or not, wot! Why, Tube punctuality has increased ten times since his cat took over in charge of transport from Ken Livingstone!

Well we shall have to give this a lot of thought old man.

Toodle-pip until further notice, Gawd Bless their imperial highnesses etcetera etcetera.

*coughs* safe blud *coughs*
Gurguvungunit
18-10-2006, 05:44
*gasps*

Socialist Chavs!

*mans the gunboats, forms a press gang*

Ilaer, I too should like to complement you upon your eloquence and the level of thought that you have put into the subject. As you say, finding someone with whom to discuss such burning issues as the Battle of Jutland is most difficult, wot. You, sah, are an officah and a gentleman. *salutes*.

I should suggest, however, that we take it to another thread; no need to clog these hallowed halls with our discourse, especially once Parliament meets.

LIBT, I must say that I feel most deprived of the show that I expected. Come back, sah! Stand and fight, God damn your eyes!
Harlesburg
18-10-2006, 11:31
TG? I have received no TG...

I'm not sure when this bloody Parliament is even starting at the moment, wot!
Nope, i'll do it now.:)
Minaris
18-10-2006, 12:27
BOOZE makes everything more interesting, good chap!

Sorry, but I had to fix this; it was so inaccurate before, I couldn't leave it.
Ifreann
18-10-2006, 12:31
Àmusing trivia: Coffee drinking predates tea drinking in Great Britian and Ireland. Coffee once held the status that tea holds today.
Kristovski
18-10-2006, 18:05
I wish to join up to his party and serve my country!
Revasser
18-10-2006, 18:18
I wish to join up to his party and serve my country!

And with your first bloody post too, wotwot?

That's the ticket, m'lad!
Vacuumhead
18-10-2006, 18:52
Ladies and gentlemen (and common people), I would like to apologise for being absent for a while. Although apparently parliment hasn't started yet, wot! I expected that by now the NBIP would have brought up several of the points from our manifesto. Oh well, I suppose we have plenty of time yet to get coffee banned. The taste of that vile drink is absolutely disgusting.
:gundge:
Philosopy
18-10-2006, 20:03
Ladies and gentlemen (and common people), I would like to apologise for being absent for a while. Although apparently parliment hasn't started yet, wot! I expected that by now the NBIP would have brought up several of the points from our manifesto. Oh well, I suppose we have plenty of time yet to get coffee banned. The taste of that vile drink is absolutely disgusting.
:gundge:

My apologies, good Lady Sah, but the Parliament seems to be awfully slow in starting, wotwot! I am considering sending in a gunboat to ensure it gets going soon!
Vacuumhead
18-10-2006, 20:18
My apologies, good Lady Sah, but the Parliament seems to be awfully slow in starting, wotwot! I am considering sending in a gunboat to ensure it gets going soon!

An excellent idea, sah! Also, we should send gunboats to those party leaders who have yet still to list their MPs in the proper thread. Their tardiness is disgraceful, wot! :mad:
Revasser
18-10-2006, 20:23
I say, if we're considering gunboats, why take half-measures?

Why do we not just raise the Union Flag, claim the parliament as a dominion of Her Majesty's Emparh and be done with the whole affair, wot?
Vacuumhead
18-10-2006, 20:38
I say, if we're considering gunboats, why take half-measures?

Why do we not just raise the Union Flag, claim the parliament as a dominion of Her Majesty's Emparh and be done with the whole affair, wot?

I say old chap, that is a brilliant idea! :D
Vacuumhead
19-10-2006, 18:33
Parliament is being rather slow is starting, I am convinced that our opponents in the smaller parties are stalling for time. The bloody savages refuse to recognise the Queen as their rightful ruler, wot! We will have done absolutely nothing by the time the next elections come around, if we don't get this parliament started soon.

Send in the gunboats, I say!
Free shepmagans
19-10-2006, 18:37
Parliament is being rather slow is starting, I am convinced that our opponents in the smaller parties are stalling for time. The bloody savages refuse to recognise the Queen as their rightful ruler, wot! We will have done absolutely nothing by the time the next elections come around, if we don't get this parliament started soon.

Send in the gunboats, I say!

Gunboats for everyone! Gunboats floating in coffee! *laughs deviously*
Praetonia
19-10-2006, 23:00
ooooo, someone was quick with the generalisation. Prove this to me that every man/woman/child labelled chav by our loverly media is a lazy, anti-work so-and-so. And prove it fast and perhaps I will retract my statement.
Why should I do that? I didn't say that no chavs ever do work, just that chavs as a group do much less than other groups. Chavs are by definition work-averse and yobbish -- that is part of being a chav. It isn't just shorthand for 'working class'.

Anyway, no one who doesn't go around on a horse wearing tailcoats and a monocle whilst smoking a cigar and barking 'Well, I say, wot!' at passers-by can really be considered a productive member of society ;).
Vacuumhead
19-10-2006, 23:33
Why should I do that? I didn't say that no chavs ever do work, just that chavs as a group do much less than other groups. Chavs are by definition work-averse and yobbish -- that is part of being a chav. It isn't just shorthand for 'working class'.

These chavs are a disgrace to our wonderful nation, wot! I say that burberry caps must be banned, bowler hats are more stylish by far. As to these unemployed loud-mouthed yobs, we can't just let them wonder the streets disturbing decent people. We should conscript them into the army, I say!
Free shepmagans
19-10-2006, 23:40
These chavs are a disgrace to our wonderful nation, wot! I say that burberry caps must be banned, bowler hats are more stylish by far. As to these unemployed loud-mouthed yobs, we can't just let them wonder the streets disturbing decent people. We should conscript them into the army, I say!

My God. Blinged out street urchins in the army? That's EVIL!
Vacuumhead
19-10-2006, 23:52
My God. Blinged out street urchins in the army? That's EVIL!

I guess. Maybe we should ship these chavs off to the colonies instead. Somewhere far away...

The British fleet will set sail for America in one weeks time! Huzzah!
Free shepmagans
20-10-2006, 00:04
I guess. Maybe we should ship these chavs off to the colonies instead. Somewhere far away...

The British fleet will set sail for America in one weeks time! Huzzah!

I must alert the 'hood, we have some posers to bust a cap in.
Crumpet Stone
20-10-2006, 00:16
Sir John is as stupid as the weather.
Vacuumhead
20-10-2006, 00:28
I must alert the 'hood, we have some posers to bust a cap in.

I predict that your ''homies'' will quite enjoy the company of our filthy chavsters.
Minaris
20-10-2006, 01:22
*Comes back in, lays out lawn chair, and becomes the stereotypical Yank...GOD*
The Friesland colony
20-10-2006, 10:43
My God. Blinged out street urchins in the army? That's EVIL!

Indeed sah! I will not have them mixing with good old T.A, noble defender of our glorious Empahr! I'd sooner raise a regiment of Fuzzy-Wuzzies! To the colonies with them! My honest and God-fearing Tommies will be glad to assist in rounding them up for deporting.

In fact, by letting them take up the colonial man's burden, we will doubtlessly allow numerous sub-British cultures to rise to the level of Damn Continentals! Won't be long until I am raising regiments of the Fuzzies...

I must alert the 'hood, we have some posers to bust a cap in.

I must alert the Grenadier Guards, we have some chavs to blow a hole in!
Phenixica
20-10-2006, 10:58
If i thought for a moment you were really insulting my Mothercountry, aww...i would give you such a spanking. :D
Vacuumhead
20-10-2006, 16:44
Indeed sah! I will not have them mixing with good old T.A, noble defender of our glorious Empahr! I'd sooner raise a regiment of Fuzzy-Wuzzies! To the colonies with them! My honest and God-fearing Tommies will be glad to assist in rounding them up for deporting.
I am glad that you are so enthusiastic about this, but don't get carried away old chap. After all, some of these chavs are useful to society wot! We only need to make them more presentable by making it illegal to sell certain clothes in the UK. It is the unemployed lazy scum that we want to ship off to the colonies, send your brave men to the jobcentres to round them up.
If i thought for a moment you were really insulting my Mothercountry, aww...i would give you such a spanking. :D
What country would that be, good sah? Surely you cannot be English. We don't spank each other, that is rude!

:eek:
Philosopy
20-10-2006, 16:48
News from the Parliament! If the remaining parties have not named their MPs by tomorrow, we shall start without them, wot!

The glorious victory of tea over that coffee filth is about to begin!

Huzzah!
Vacuumhead
20-10-2006, 19:19
Has anyone noticed that this thread rating has dropped to 4 out of 5? Something must be done at once, if you have not rated this thread already then do so. For the Emparh!
Philosopy
20-10-2006, 22:03
Has anyone noticed that this thread rating has dropped to 4 out of 5? Something must be done at once, if you have not rated this thread already then do so. For the Emparh!

I had, good sah! It must have been a Frenchman, wot!

Vote for the thread, chaps! Vote as if England's future depended on it!
Minaris
20-10-2006, 22:09
I had, good sah! It must have been a Frenchman, wot!

Vote for the thread, chaps! Vote as if England's future depended on it!

I did it! Go America! Whoo!

And its labOr, everyone!
Cracky-Chan
20-10-2006, 22:10
Labour, you colonial imbecile.
Minaris
20-10-2006, 22:12
Labor IS correct indeed, you colonial genius.

That's what I thought you said.
Free shepmagans
20-10-2006, 22:47
I had, good sah! It must have been a Frenchman, wot!

Vote for the thread, chaps! Vote as if England's future depended on it!

*gives lowest vote possible*
Ifreann
20-10-2006, 22:49
I shall vote for the Emparh chaps. I may not be in the Party, but I too hold your tea>coffee ideals.
Philosopy
20-10-2006, 23:30
Hwhat a marvellous party gentlemen, is to to late for one such as myself to join ?

Of course not, good sah! Give the thread a grand vote, and I shall find you a title immediately!

Just let me know if you're a noble Englishman or a Damn Foreigner, old sport! Any preferences for a Ministry?

Edit: What, wot?!
Vacuumhead
21-10-2006, 00:17
*gives lowest vote possible*

How dare you! :eek:

You are a bloody detestable smeghead, wot!

I shall vote for the Emparh chaps. I may not be in the Party, but I too hold your tea>coffee ideals.

Even though we are political rivals you hold no hard feelings against us. Truly you are a gentlemen, good sah! Please help yorself to some biscuits while I put the kettle on. :)
Ifreann
21-10-2006, 00:21
Even though we are political rivals you hold no hard feelings against us. Truly you are a gentlemen, good sah! Please help yorself to some biscuits while I put the kettle on. :)

Why thank you good Lady Sah. If the Emparh of General has taught me anything, it is that one shouldn't let a political rivalry come between friends, wot.
Free shepmagans
21-10-2006, 00:27
How dare you! :eek:

You are a bloody detestable smeghead, wot!

*ponders changing vote* feh, no reason to. yet.
Ilaer
21-10-2006, 15:15
That's what I thought you said.

I say, good chap, you really must correct your spelling immediately. While you are in this thread you are on British Imperial territory, English in particular, and you really must adhere to our ways. No longer shall the blasted Americans corrupt the fair English language and export the modified version as their own, wot; it is about time that England stood up for the old ways as, indeed, we used to.
I hereby would like to submit a new law for the glorious Emparh:

17. The people of NationStates shall be required to speak English, not some half-breed created by the Americans or other Damned Colonials/Foreigners. American English will be removed from the face of the Earth. Microsoft Word shall be updated thusly and Bill Gates shall be incarcerated in the deepest dungeons and have all his earthly possessions, including money, requisitioned by the British Government for daring to spread the travesty that is American English.

Perhaps it can be split into several new laws and resolutions should the length prove unwieldy.

Gurguvungunit, I thank you for your compliment. *pulls off a salute almost parodic in efficiency*
I return your salute and I declare you truly to be the gentleman and officah in this thread. Your breadth and depth of knowledge in the field of British history seems almost unmatched, and I must attempt to put up a fight to defend my honour as a historian; that is, after all, the British way.
I apologise for the delay in posting again; once again I am short of time, though not due to coursework, which I handed in the previous day, huzzah!
I agree with your proposal to move our debate elsewhere; I will leave the particulars to you, good sir.

Ifreann, you are indeed a true man of honour in not letting political rivalries segregate you from your colleagues and friends! I must congratulate you, and ask whether perhaps you would join the NBIP? It is men such as you that we need!

Free shepmegans, you are indeed a monster! To give such a wonderful thread and party such a low vote is a thing to wonder at, if only at who would be so idiotic. Why, the very first day I joined the thread did I rate it, and I gave it a five star rating, too! It is people such as you who drag humanity's name in the mud.
I shall give you a reason to change your vote to a better one: do so or the Emparh will imprison you. Is that a good enough reason?

Anyway, good day to you all, my fellow Imperialists. It is good to see such a marvellous variety of people all joining in a common cause, namely, the furthering of the Emparh's possessions and wealth and, indeed, power and influence.

Pip pip, chaps!

The Right Honourable Lord Sir Ilaer, CBE, OBE, MBE, Lord Chancellor
Ifreann
21-10-2006, 15:18
I say, good chap, you really must correct your spelling immediately. While you are in this thread you are on British Imperial territory, English in particular............................
The Right Honourable Lord Sir Ilaer, CBE, OBE, MBE, Lord Chancellor

Not only this thread sah. It's jolt.co.uk, as English as can be.
The Beautiful Darkness
21-10-2006, 15:18
I say, good chap, you really must correct your spelling immediately. While you are in this thread you are on British Imperial territory, English in particular, and you really must adhere to our ways. No longer shall the blasted Americans corrupt the fair English language and export the modified version as their own, wot; it is about time that England stood up for the old ways as, indeed, we used to.
I hereby would like to submit a new law for the glorious Emparh:

17. The people of NationStates shall be required to speak English, not some half-breed created by the Americans or other Damned Colonials/Foreigners. American English will be removed from the face of the Earth. Microsoft Word shall be updated thusly and Bill Gates shall be incarcerated in the deepest dungeons and have all his earthly possessions, including money, requisitioned by the British Government for daring to spread the travesty that is American English.

*Applauds wildly* :D
Vacuumhead
21-10-2006, 17:51
Why thank you good Lady Sah. If the Emparh of General has taught me anything, it is that one shouldn't let a political rivalry come between friends, wot.
Indeed that is true, my dear chap.
Except of course for those pirate scum, they don't even deserve to be greeted with civility. Off with their heads, I say!
*ponders changing vote* feh, no reason to. yet.
Yet? Are you implying that you want me, an honourable NBIP member, to persuade you to change your mind? I will tell you something; A Brit does not beg! We can manage to get a top rating without the help of a damn colonial brat such as yourself, thank you very much.
Philosopy
21-10-2006, 21:32
-Snipped in the name of Her Majesty

Sah, this is a truly excellent idea! I shall introduce a Bill to the Parliament immediately to that effect!
Free shepmagans
22-10-2006, 00:49
Yet? Are you implying that you want me, an honourable NBIP member, to persuade you to change your mind? I will tell you something; A Brit does not beg! We can manage to get a top rating without the help of a damn colonial brat such as yourself, thank you very much.

I don't want you to beg... hell YOU can just ask.


Free shepmegans, you are indeed a monster! To give such a wonderful thread and party such a low vote is a thing to wonder at, if only at who would be so idiotic. Why, the very first day I joined the thread did I rate it, and I gave it a five star rating, too! It is people such as you who drag humanity's name in the mud.
I shall give you a reason to change your vote to a better one: do so or the Emparh will imprison you. Is that a good enough reason?

No.
Minaris
22-10-2006, 01:13
I agree with Free shepmagans.

Down with the Brits!

Their time ended 200 years ago!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


(That and tea sucks.)
Vacuumhead
22-10-2006, 01:19
I don't want you to beg... hell YOU can just ask.

If you were truly an honourable person then I would not have to command you to do the right thing. Although seeing that you seem to require instruction, I shall tell you what to do.

Please be a good fellow and give our thread a high rating, wot!
Minaris
22-10-2006, 01:20
If you were truly an honourable person then I would not have to command you to do the right thing. Although seeing as you do require instruction, I shall tell you what to do.

Please be a good fellow and give our thread a high rating, wot!

Alas, he cannot change it.

(Not like you guys deserve it, but...)
Vacuumhead
22-10-2006, 01:23
Alas, he cannot change it.

(Not like you guys deserve it, but...)

How dare you tell us that we do not deserve a good rating! You yourself spend a considerable amount of time in our delightful thread.
Minaris
22-10-2006, 01:25
How dare you tell us that we do not deserve a good rating! You yourself spend a considerable amount of time in our delightful thread.

My dear sir, I am your antagonist here. My duty is to ensure that the conservative, totalitarian, controlling, etc. attitudes are gone forever. We are almost at a point where utopia is truly possible.

DON'T RUIN IT.
Fartsniffage
22-10-2006, 01:29
My dear sir, I am your antagonist here. My duty is to ensure that the conservative, totalitarian, controlling, etc. attitudes are gone forever. We are almost at a point where utopia is truly possible.

DON'T RUIN IT.

Sah I protest. We already have a plentiful supply of both tea and gunboats and so already have a utopia and I'll thank you to be gone with your rabble rousing ways.
Vacuumhead
22-10-2006, 01:29
My dear sir, I am your antagonist here. My duty is to ensure that the conservative, totalitarian, controlling, etc. attitudes are gone forever. We are almost at a point where utopia is truly possible.

Stop making feeble excuses as to why you are here. You are in this thread because you enjoy the intelligence, wit and charm of us Brits. :p
Free shepmagans
22-10-2006, 01:31
Alas, he cannot change it.

(Not like you guys deserve it, but...)

Wait I can't? ... well that sucks. :( To make up for it...

http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m123/gatelover12/BritishFlag2.jpg

http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m123/gatelover12/american-flagcopy.jpg
Minaris
22-10-2006, 01:33
Stop making feeble excuses as to why you are here. You are in this thread because you enjoy the intelligence, wit and charm of us Brits. :p

I was barely aware you had those. :p

...

Aw, come now! I was joking! :D

*in stern tone*

In all seriousness, interfere with The Mission and you will pay!

*Glows green*
Vacuumhead
22-10-2006, 01:39
*Glows green*

That is a very pretty shade of green...

So err...do you hear voices inside your head and such?
Minaris
22-10-2006, 01:41
That is a very pretty shade of green...

So err...do you hear voices inside your head and such?

No. Not quite.

*Glows darker green*

However, I am an intellect beyond knowing.

It's too bad that much of my intelligence is bogged down at times...
Free shepmagans
22-10-2006, 01:41
http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m123/gatelover12/Untitled-1.jpg
Vacuumhead
22-10-2006, 01:46
No. Not quite.

*Glows darker green*

However, I am an intellect beyond knowing.

It's too bad that much of my intelligence is bogged down at times...

Hmmm... That is very intersting...

(Should I continue humoring the crazy kid or is it best to explain reality to him?)
Minaris
22-10-2006, 01:48
Hmmm... That is very intersting...

(Should I continue humoring the crazy kid or is it best to explain reality to him?)

Just an inside joke/allusion, Vacuumhead. I meant nothing by it...

And why must you assume that I am a minor?
Free shepmagans
22-10-2006, 01:48
Hmmm... That is very intersting...

(Should I continue humoring the crazy kid or is it best to explain reality to him?)

Don't shatter his illusion, spike his coffee with meds and slowly wean him onto tea.:)
Free shepmagans
22-10-2006, 01:49
Just an inside joke/allusion, Vacuumhead. I meant nothing by it...

And why must you assume that I am a minor?

Minaris? Minor? Duh?
Minaris
22-10-2006, 01:51
Minaris? Minor? Duh?

Why must you make terribly ill-founded assumptions that are most likely false?
Free shepmagans
22-10-2006, 01:53
Why must you make terribly ill-founded assumptions that are most likely false?

However, I am an intellect beyond knowing.

It's too bad that much of my intelligence is bogged down at times...

No room to talk bud.:p
Minaris
22-10-2006, 01:55
No room to talk bud.:p

There IS room. What if I am a 40-year-old geek who still lives with his mom or something? Then your assumption is neigh.
Free shepmagans
22-10-2006, 01:57
There IS room. What if I am a 40-year-old geek who still lives with his mom or something? Then your assumption is neigh.

What if you're a deluded egomaniac with an I.Q. of 40? Then your assumption would be wrong. :p
Vacuumhead
22-10-2006, 02:00
Just an inside joke/allusion, Vacuumhead. I meant nothing by it...

And why must you assume that I am a minor?

Your n00bish behaviour reminds me of a teenager. Why don't keep all these n00k50r5 and shite like that in RP threads? It is just silly and out of place here wot! Also, it seems that calling you a kid irritates you a little. I suppose it pays you back for all your pathetic attempts at trying to offend me.
Gurguvungunit
22-10-2006, 06:44
<snipped in the name of the Queen>
Their time ended 200 years ago[!]
Note: I have omitted exactly twenty-seven exclamations, which serve no purpose and are a flagrant violation of the rules of grammar. Meddle not in the affairs of the English Language, for It is most sacred indeed.


Do not be absurd, sah. The British Emparh of old ended, by even the most conservative estimates, in 1914 with the beginning of the Great War. While the Emparh, God Bless It, did triumph and gain from said war, it marked the beginning of a fall. I would submit that you have been subjected to the substandard Damned Colonial American education system, one which has failed many and is falling behind that of India (a Commonwealth nation in which the education system was largely created by the Civil Service during the Victorian Age), and is even being outstripped by that of France. Nothing need be said of England's education, which is both clearly superior and inherently British.

However, this is the New British Imperial Party. We, sah, are the Emparh. And, as you may have noticed, we are the leaders of NSG. If you still contend that our time is over, I should submit to you that you do not occupy the same reality as we. Some have spoken of a mythic 'Real Life', but upon hearing something of it, I have decided that I want no truck with it.

Bloody Colonials. Thinking they can run the show.

Ilaer, I see no real need to reopen the debate thread, but if you feel the desire to please telegram the URL to me when you do.

As Minister for the Spread of Proper English, I commend your reccomendation of article 17, and I move that it be codified forthwith into our Most Glorious Manifesto. Over 300,000 souls by latest count have been led astray from the path of Proper English. It is our charge as Englishmen to show them the way back to the light.
Vacuumhead
22-10-2006, 16:44
Proposes an enforcement of good English in NS General.

An effort to use correct spelling and grammar must be made by all who post in General. Occasional typos will be tolerated, and we shall be lenient with those johnny foreigners (and bloody Welshmen) who are not fortunate enough to have English as a first language. However, those who continuously fail to use capital letters at the start of their sentences shall be mocked unceasingly until they do so. People will be expected to use the correct spelling of words such as we in Britain use, not these damn colonial spellings. 1337 5P34K will henceforth be outlawed and will now be referred to as the devils language. Anyone who insists on typing in the vile devils language shall be sent to Coventry (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sent_to_Coventry). An official moratorium is to be put in place upon the phrases "Well done" and "Congratulations". Instead, the phrase "Jolly good show!" must be used.
Any suggestions to improve this before we try to get it passed, old chaps?
We were discussing banning people from speaking foreign languages, or restricting them to a specific thread. Should we add that or is it going too far? After all, we do want people to vote for this wot! Also, I tacked on a point from our manifesto at the end. I think we'll have a better chance at getting the NBIP manifesto passed if we bring up the points individually, instead of all at once. What say you?
Minaris
22-10-2006, 16:47
Any suggestions to improve this before we try to get it passed, old chaps?
We were discussing banning people from speaking foreign languages, or restricting them to a specific thread. Should we add that or is it going too far? After all, we do want people to vote for this wot! Also, I tacked on a point from our manifesto at the end. I think we'll have a better chance at getting the NBIP manifesto passed if we bring up the points individually, instead of all at once. What say you?

Y35. 13373R 5P33K 15 N3C3554RY! 4ND 50 15 "1MPR0P3R" 3N9115H!

90 D3M0CR4CY! D0WN W17H 73H 8R175!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Vacuumhead
22-10-2006, 16:49
I thought I saw something then...

No, it was nothing.
Minaris
22-10-2006, 16:53
I thought I saw something then...

No, it was nothing.

I said:

Y35. 13373R 5P33K 15 N3C3554RY! 4ND 50 15 "1MPR0P3R" 3N9115H!

90 D3M0CR4CY! D0WN W17H 73H 8R175!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

That better for your imperially shielded eyes?
Ifreann
22-10-2006, 16:54
Any suggestions to improve this before we try to get it passed, old chaps?
We were discussing banning people from speaking foreign languages, or restricting them to a specific thread. Should we add that or is it going too far? After all, we do want people to vote for this wot! Also, I tacked on a point from our manifesto at the end. I think we'll have a better chance at getting the NBIP manifesto passed if we bring up the points individually, instead of all at once. What say you?

I should include methods of preventing people from escaping Coventry. I suggest a gunboat or two.
Vacuumhead
22-10-2006, 17:01
I should include methods of preventing people from escaping Coventry. I suggest a gunboat or two.
That's a capital idea! :)
Although I did not mean to literally send them to Coventry. It's just a saying. (http://www.thecoventrypages.net/hstoric-cov/sent-to.asp)

I've still not caught up with the leader of the moles, but hopefully next week we can all get together and make a bill with several points from each of our manifestos.
Ifreann
22-10-2006, 17:04
That's a capital idea! :)
Although I did not mean to literally send them to Coventry. It's just a saying. (http://www.thecoventrypages.net/hstoric-cov/sent-to.asp)

I've still not caught up with the leader of the moles, but hopefully next week we can all get together and make a bill with several points from each of our manifestos.

A saying eh. Hmmmm.

*cancels plan to bomb Coventry*

>.>

<.<


Sounds jolly good, good lady sah, wot.
Vacuumhead
22-10-2006, 17:07
A saying eh. Hmmmm.

*cancels plan to bomb Coventry*

>.>

<.<


Sounds jolly good, good lady sah, wot.

Indeed it does sah! Those who speak the devils language deserve to be shunned. I have edited my bill, adding a link to wikipedia so non-Brits like yourself can learn what I mean by that saying.
Philosopy
23-10-2006, 12:43
Any suggestions to improve this before we try to get it passed, old chaps?
We were discussing banning people from speaking foreign languages, or restricting them to a specific thread. Should we add that or is it going too far? After all, we do want people to vote for this wot! Also, I tacked on a point from our manifesto at the end. I think we'll have a better chance at getting the NBIP manifesto passed if we bring up the points individually, instead of all at once. What say you?

That is a truly excellent bill, wot! I notice that the Pogo's are already involved in the process, so I suggest you propose it to the Moles so that we can be assured of a majority, wot!
Vacuumhead
23-10-2006, 20:07
That is a truly excellent bill, wot! I notice that the Pogo's are already involved in the process, so I suggest you propose it to the Moles so that we can be assured of a majority, wot!

I have been looking at the procedural rules (which are bloody complicated) and I think I have to post my bill in the Fourth NS General Parliament thread. Which I jolly well have done, wot! We will have to wait until we get nine MPs showing an interest until this bill comes to vote. We have plenty of time yet, but if these rodents fail to show up soon then I suppose we can always gravedig their thread.

Will the gentlemen Lord The Friesland colony and Lord Praetonia please come to this thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=504017&page=5) and show support for this bill.
Ieuano
23-10-2006, 20:15
'ow does one become a certified member of said 'onerable party? I 'ave a copius amount of biscuits and tea bags if this 'elps
Vacuumhead
23-10-2006, 20:22
'ow does one become a certified member of said 'onerable party? I 'ave a copius amount of biscuits and tea bags if this 'elps

Just hope that good sah Lord Philosopy notices your post wot! Keep those teabags and biscuits for your own use if you want, us party members get unliminted amounts. Without tea I doubt any work would get done here, we need it for the good of the Emparh!
Ilaer
23-10-2006, 20:38
Do not be absurd, sah. The British Emparh of old ended, by even the most conservative estimates, in 1914 with the beginning of the Great War. While the Emparh, God Bless It, did triumph and gain from said war, it marked the beginning of a fall. I would submit that you have been subjected to the substandard Damned Colonial American education system, one which has failed many and is falling behind that of India (a Commonwealth nation in which the education system was largely created by the Civil Service during the Victorian Age), and is even being outstripped by that of France. Nothing need be said of England's education, which is both clearly superior and inherently British.

However, this is the New British Imperial Party. We, sah, are the Emparh. And, as you may have noticed, we are the leaders of NSG. If you still contend that our time is over, I should submit to you that you do not occupy the same reality as we. Some have spoken of a mythic 'Real Life', but upon hearing something of it, I have decided that I want no truck with it.

Bloody Colonials. Thinking they can run the show.

Ilaer, I see no real need to reopen the debate thread, but if you feel the desire to please telegram the URL to me when you do.

As Minister for the Spread of Proper English, I commend your reccomendation of article 17, and I move that it be codified forthwith into our Most Glorious Manifesto. Over 300,000 souls by latest count have been led astray from the path of Proper English. It is our charge as Englishmen to show them the way back to the light.

Oh dear, good sir. I must regretfully inform you that you have rather made a small fool of yourself. I hesitate to say this, as I have nothing but the utmost respect for you, but 'recommendation' is spelt thusly. Unfortunately, near the end of your post, you have spelt it with two 'c's.
I am not quite sure about whether to continue the debate or not. I am rather busy nowadays, and you do seem to be gaining the upper hand in any case, but I daresay it was an interesting topic to ramble on about. I shall deliberate on it as, I am sure, you will too.

That is a truly excellent bill, wot! I notice that the Pogo's are already involved in the process, so I suggest you propose it to the Moles so that we can be assured of a majority, wot!

Good sir and glorious leader, I beg forgiveness, but the word 'Pogos' is also written thusly. Also, it should read '...I suggest that you propose it...' towards the end.

Any suggestions to improve this before we try to get it passed, old chaps?
We were discussing banning people from speaking foreign languages, or restricting them to a specific thread. Should we add that or is it going too far? After all, we do want people to vote for this wot! Also, I tacked on a point from our manifesto at the end. I think we'll have a better chance at getting the NBIP manifesto passed if we bring up the points individually, instead of all at once. What say you?

I fear, good lady, that perhaps banning foreign languages is going a bit far. Hundreds of thousands of people from all over the world play NationStates, and many know only the smallest bit of the English language and, indeed, often the small amount that they do know is dervied from the American. Perhaps restricting them to a specific thread is fairer, but it is still a bit too harsh. Does the Parliament have any control over the Admins? If so, then perhaps request that a specific sub-forum be created for those who speak foreign languages.
I would agree on capitalisation at the beginning of sentences and the ban on so-called 'leet speak' being enforced, though. Even the French can grasp the concept of a sentence, and even locate the beginning, although apparently many Americans cannot.


There are many other mistakes on this thread regarding the English language, far too many to list. I apologise if I seem to have singled any of you out, or if you feel that I am being unfair. I merely picket out a few of the most recent and, perhaps, not quite so obvious ones.
Minaris' grasp of the English language, at times, seems actually to be quite good, though the vast majority of the time that illusion is shattered.
On the subject of Minaris, what shall we do with the little blighter, for that, no matter what he may say, is indeed what he is. Whether physically he is a mature adult I cannot tell nor, indeed, argue, being only 14 myself. However, judging by his posts, his mental age is likely somewhere in the low single-figures, possibly 5.
Minaris, insults aside, but why do you insist in going on as you have? You label yourself as an 'antagonist', but most normal antagonists would have become bored by this point in time. You seem to be acting in a rather childish manner, especially with your treatment of the thread's members, Lady Vacuumhead in particular, and thus we merely latch on to this immaturity as a way of response.
It is your insults and childish actions directed at Lady Vacuumhead and, indeed, any other female members of the thread that I may not be aware of, that infuriate me the most. Though I daresay they are not all that bothered by your actions, and possibly think that I am a bit strange in persisting to stand up for their honour, I am a great believer in the chivalric code and thus take a most dim view of any insult directed against a woman. You may insult me all you wish, but I will take a stand should you insult anyone that I know to be a woman, or even a man, as I am also a great believer in fighting for others. Do not anger me, mentally-young Minaris. Whether or not you are a physical adult, I can still run rings around you mentally.

Off the topic of Minaris, I would like to state a short list comprising the most common mistakes made on this thread regarding the correct usage of English:

1. Apostrophes are placed before the letter 's' on any word that does not end in 's' normally. If the word ends in 's' then the apostrophe goes after the 's'. Apostrophes are used only in the case of ownership (e.g. Sam's car) or abbreviations (e.g. it's, for 'it is') or citations, as I have used a lot. Apostrophes are NOT used for quotations, which are taken from speech. Quotations take speech marks (e.g. Ilaer/myself: "...take speech marks...").

2. Names take capital letters for each part. Wikipedia thus takes a capital 'W', whether or not it begins a sentence. (A slight jab at Lady Vacuumhead; I apologise.)

3. Full stops are used at the end of a sentence; separate ideas do not need a new sentence and can be split from one another by semi-colons, as in this sentence. It is often a good idea to start a new sentence when the idea is very much irrelevant to the other, though.


A shorter list than I intended, but I am feeling rather tired. I support the Bill, by the way, and hope that it does well. I certainly did not expect that my post would cause such action; indeed, I expected quite the opposite!
I had my first cup of tea recently, by the way, dear chaps. It was heaven! I remember, early in my political career as Lord Chancellor, that I requested that my salary of 3,500 lbs of tea be brought down; I request that it be restored! :)

Huzzah for the NBIP!

The Right Honourable Lord Sir Ilaer, CBE OBE MBE, Lord Chancellor
Philosopy
23-10-2006, 22:06
'ow does one become a certified member of said 'onerable party? I 'ave a copius amount of biscuits and tea bags if this 'elps

If you are interested, old boy, just say the word and name your prefered Ministry!

Make sure you leave the tea, wot!
Minaris
23-10-2006, 22:09
If you are interested, old boy, just say the word and name your prefered Ministry!

Make sure you leave the tea, wot!

He might want to bring it as there is a blockade of tea.

No more tea for the NBIP! :o
Ilaer
23-10-2006, 22:36
He might want to bring it as there is a blockade of tea.

No more tea for the NBIP! :o

Don't be so damnfool childish, Minaris! Have you not:
1. Read my previous post or
2. Considered the Royal Navy in your tea blockade?

Foolish child, whether or not you are physically one...

For those wishing to catch me out:
'Damnfool' is one of my little eccentricities that I indulge in. It is a minor British expression of exasperation, a remnant from the glory days of the Emparh, and is one of my favourite sayings. It is pronounced exactly as the normal 'damn fool' would be, as two separate syllables. It is said slightly quicker but not very much.

Edit: I have just found out that the Lady Vacuumhead has been promoted to Vice-President of the party! Congratulations, my Lady!

The Right Honourable Lord Sir Ilaer, CBE OBE MBE, Lord Chancellor
Zouloukistan
24-10-2006, 01:08
Wot! A tea blockade? Who could do so? Bonnie? We once more would have to show him of what is capable Sir Nelson!! Sah, hip hip for the Trafalgar Battle, wot! Furthermore, it had been its anniversary last Saturday, huzzah!
Minaris
24-10-2006, 01:14
Captain nemo made the blockade. :o
Gurguvungunit
24-10-2006, 06:36
*Raises eyebrows*

So I have, Ilaer, so I have. Good spot, old boy. Perhaps, in view of events, a change of titles would be called for? You, the Minister for the Spread of Proper English, and myself... an admiral of some kind? It certainly suits my temperment better; that or the post of Official Historian. I have no idea, really. Lord Philosophy?

*coughs and looks for something to draw attention away from his error*

Ah, Minaris. Ever helpful, ever misguided. With what are you enforcing this blockade? If, as you say, Captain Nemo is the sole member of the blockading squadron (presumably commanding the Nautilus), I should say that he will have a terribly difficult time of it. The Emparh has many ports, dozens in England alone, dozens more across the British Isles, and hundreds across the world. Captain Nemo shall be a busy man.

And need I remind you; the Nautilus is unarmed except for its ram, designed to destroy wooden ships and poorly built freighters. The Grand Fleet, however, is made up of Dreadnought-types, and is relatively safe from such weapons. Further, the Grand Fleet includes destroyers designed to, ah, destroy submarines. Captain Nemo shall have a difficult time of it indeed.

If, however, you form a more effective fleet, I shall be happy to lead a squadron in its defeat (honestly. It'd be fun, and I haven't RPd a naval battle recently. But perhaps not here).
Minaris
24-10-2006, 12:15
*Raises eyebrows*

So I have, Ilaer, so I have. Good spot, old boy. Perhaps, in view of events, a change of titles would be called for? You, the Minister for the Spread of Proper English, and myself... an admiral of some kind? It certainly suits my temperment better; that or the post of Official Historian. I have no idea, really. Lord Philosophy?

*coughs and looks for something to draw attention away from his error*

Ah, Minaris. Ever helpful, ever misguided. With what are you enforcing this blockade? If, as you say, Captain Nemo is the sole member of the blockading squadron (presumably commanding the Nautilus), I should say that he will have a terribly difficult time of it. The Emparh has many ports, dozens in England alone, dozens more across the British Isles, and hundreds across the world. Captain Nemo shall be a busy man.

And need I remind you; the Nautilus is unarmed except for its ram, designed to destroy wooden ships and poorly built freighters. The Grand Fleet, however, is made up of Dreadnought-types, and is relatively safe from such weapons. Further, the Grand Fleet includes destroyers designed to, ah, destroy submarines. Captain Nemo shall have a difficult time of it indeed.

If, however, you form a more effective fleet, I shall be happy to lead a squadron in its defeat (honestly. It'd be fun, and I haven't RPd a naval battle recently. But perhaps not here).

Actually, I meant Captain Nemo The Fourth. He developed the sub further so that it could drill through ships with acid or... something.

And he has more men in more subs.
Philosopy
24-10-2006, 12:46
So I have, Ilaer, so I have. Good spot, old boy. Perhaps, in view of events, a change of titles would be called for? You, the Minister for the Spread of Proper English, and myself... an admiral of some kind? It certainly suits my temperment better; that or the post of Official Historian. I have no idea, really. Lord Philosophy?

Sah, I have spoken to Her Majesty, and she would be delighted to alter your titles. Lord Sir Ilaer is hereby given the additional ministry of Spreading Proper English, and you, Lord Sah Gurguvungunit, shall be given the Ministry of Emparh History. Pip pip for Her Majesty!
Ieuano
24-10-2006, 12:57
Just hope that good sah Lord Philosopy notices your post wot! Keep those teabags and biscuits for your own use if you want, us party members get unliminted amounts. Without tea I doubt any work would get done here, we need it for the good of the Emparh!

Excellent. *sips tea*

If you are interested, old boy, just say the word and name your prefered Ministry!

Make sure you leave the tea, wot!

oh yes sah, im very interested in working for the Emparh, maybe in the Ministery of Ministaries?

He might want to bring it as there is a blockade of tea.

No more tea for the NBIP! :o

No more tea...
Philosopy
24-10-2006, 12:58
oh yes sah, im very interested in working for the Emparh, maybe in the Ministery of Ministaries?

I can make the the Secretary of State for Administrative Affairs, perhaps, wotwot?
Ieuano
24-10-2006, 12:59
I can make the the Secretary of State for Administrative Affairs, perhaps, wotwot?

Hmm the SSAA, a suitably vague title by jupiter, ill take it!
Philosopy
24-10-2006, 13:01
Hmm the SSAA, a suitably vague title by jupiter, ill take it!

It's yours, old boy! Congratulations, and welcome to the Party, wot!
The blessed Chris
24-10-2006, 13:04
Good morrow! I propose that, in light of our election victory, shiny medals are the order of the day!
Ieuano
24-10-2006, 13:05
It's yours, old boy! Congratulations, and welcome to the Party, wot!

Cucumber Sandwiches on me chaps, im having a do down on my estate, come one come all as they say! wot!
Ifreann
24-10-2006, 13:14
Indeed it does sah! Those who speak the devils language deserve to be shunned. I have edited my bill, adding a link to wikipedia so non-Brits like yourself can learn what I mean by that saying.

Thank you kindly good lady sah. I must check the Parliament thread to see if I have supported this bill.
Philosopy
24-10-2006, 13:41
Sahs!

Due to the ongoing difficulties with a multi-time zone Parliament of getting all of our MPs lined up at the same time, I would like to propose a 'one party, one voice' policy, wot!

When one person speaks in Parliament, it carries the force (and automatic votes) of the other three members. This way we can get our policies implemented far more quickly, in the name of Her Majesty, wot! Now, should a member not agree with the policy, they can still exercise their independence and withdraw their support, but the default position shall always be 'supporting unless saying something to the contrary.'

Does that make sense, wot? Say what you think in the name of Emparh and Queen Elizabeth!
Ifreann
24-10-2006, 14:05
Sahs!

Due to the ongoing difficulties with a multi-time zone Parliament of getting all of our MPs lined up at the same time, I would like to propose a 'one party, one voice' policy, wot!

When one person speaks in Parliament, it carries the force (and automatic votes) of the other three members. This way we can get our policies implemented far more quickly, in the name of Her Majesty, wot! Now, should a member not agree with the policy, they can still exercise their independence and withdraw their support, but the default position shall always be 'supporting unless saying something to the contrary.'

Does that make sense, wot? Say what you think in the name of Emparh and Queen Elizabeth!

*contemplates theft of idea*
>.>
<.<
Ieuano
24-10-2006, 14:17
*contemplates theft of idea*
>.>
<.<

that, good sah, isnt honerable at all, you, you serf!
Ifreann
24-10-2006, 14:23
that, good sah, isnt honerable at all, you, you serf!

Ah but you forget good sah, imitation is the highest form of flattery, wot.
Ieuano
24-10-2006, 14:29
Ah but you forget good sah, imitation is the highest form of flattery, wot.

i did good sah, but common theivery is not the way to imitate, wot
Ilaer
24-10-2006, 15:09
Sah, I have spoken to Her Majesty, and she would be delighted to alter your titles. Lord Sir Ilaer is hereby given the additional ministry of Spreading Proper English, and you, Lord Sah Gurguvungunit, shall be given the Ministry of Emparh History. Pip pip for Her Majesty!

Oh, dear fellow, thank you very much! And of course, thank you as well, Lord Sah Gurguvungunit! To step down from your position must have been a terrible wrench. However, I do feel that you will do well in your position as Minister of Emparh History and I wish you luck!
I am concerned that it seems somewhat unfair, however. If I am correct then the Lord Sah Gurguvungunit is somewhat senior in terms of length of service towards the party, and it does therefore seem that I am stealing in a way...
Perhaps an additional title for the Lord Sah Gurguvungunit? If nothing else then I shall make him my Deputy Minister for Spreading Proper English; indeed, I have seen very few mistakes in his posts, and even they are breaking only somewhat obscure laws of the English language that few people adhere to.
I shall do the best I can in my new capacity, Lord Philosophy sah! I am honoured that you trust me so much!

The Rt. Hon. Lord Sir Ilaer, CBE, OBE, MBE, Lord Chancellor and Newly-Created Minister for Spreading Proper English
Philosopy
24-10-2006, 15:14
Oh, dear fellow, thank you very much! And of course, thank you as well, Lord Sah Gurguvungunit! To step down from your position must have been a terrible wrench. However, I do feel that you will do well in your position as Minister of Emparh History and I wish you luck!
I am concerned that it seems somewhat unfair, however. If I am correct then the Lord Sah Gurguvungunit is somewhat senior in terms of length of service towards the party, and it does therefore seem that I am stealing in a way...
Perhaps an additional title for the Lord Sah Gurguvungunit? If nothing else then I shall make him my Deputy Minister for Spreading Proper English; indeed, I have seen very few mistakes in his posts, and even they are breaking only somewhat obscure laws of the English language that few people adhere to.
I shall do the best I can in my new capacity, Lord Philosophy sah! I am honoured that you trust me so much!

The Rt. Hon. Lord Sir Ilaer, CBE, OBE, MBE, Lord Chancellor and Newly-Created Minister for Spreading Proper English

You are a truly humble Gentleman, good sah, but I do not consider the Ministry of Emparh History to be an inferior one at all! Indeed, he who controls the past controls the future! I am sure that both yourself and Lord Sir Gurguvungunit will perform exceptionally in your new roles, wot!
Ifreann
24-10-2006, 15:16
i did good sah, but common theivery is not the way to imitate, wot

I do apologise good sah. If it pleases the good Sah Philosopy, I would like to propose such an idea to my own party.
Philosopy
24-10-2006, 15:18
I do apologise good sah. If it pleases the good Sah Philosopy, I would like to propose such an idea to my own party.

I have no objections to our noble allies adopting such a measure, wot!
Ilaer
24-10-2006, 15:36
You are a truly humble Gentleman, good sah, but I do not consider the Ministry of Emparh History to be an inferior one at all! Indeed, he who controls the past controls the future! I am sure that both yourself and Lord Sir Gurguvungunit will perform exceptionally in your new roles, wot!

I do realise this, good sir, and I most certainly do not consider the Minister of Emparh History to be inferior, but it does still seem a little unfair. Very few party members have more than one title, and the good Sir Gurguvungunit does, I feel, deserve such a thing more than I do.
If it does not displease then I would like to give the good sir the position of Deputy Minister of Spreading Proper English, wot? Would that be allowed?
Apologies for the trouble, good chap Philosophy, but it seems only fair on Gurguvungunit that his dedication be recognised more so than mine.
And I thank you for calling me a gentleman! Indeed, it seems that this thread is full of such gentlemen as yourself and the Lord Sah Gurguvungunit, which is only to be expected from a truly British party. Alas, for I remember the days when the British fellow, the English gentleman in particular, was considered the most courteous fellow in the entire world! What has happened to those days, good sah? What, indeed, has happened?

The Rt. Hon. Lord Sir Ilaer, CBE, OBE, MBE, Lord Chancellor and Newly-Created Minister for Spreading Proper English
Philosopy
24-10-2006, 15:37
I do realise this, good sir, and I most certainly do not consider the Minister of Emparh History to be inferior, but it does still seem a little unfair. Very few party members have more than one title, and the good Sir Gurguvungunit does, I feel, deserve such a thing more than I do.
If it does not displease then I would like to give the good sir the position of Deputy Minister of Spreading Proper English, wot? Would that be allowed?
Apologies for the trouble, good chap Philosophy, but it seems only fair on Gurguvungunit that his dedication be recognised more so than mine.
And I thank you for calling me a gentleman! Indeed, it seems that this thread is full of such gentlemen as yourself and the Lord Sah Gurguvungunit, which is only to be expected from a truly British party. Alas, for I remember the days when the British fellow, the English gentleman in particular, was considered the most courteous fellow in the entire world! What has happened to those days, good sah? What, indeed, has happened?

The Rt. Hon. Lord Sir Ilaer, CBE, OBE, MBE, Lord Chancellor and Newly-Created Minister for Spreading Proper English
Very well, good sah, I shall make the changes! It is never any trouble to make appointments that help to further Her Majesty's pleasure, wot!
Ilaer
24-10-2006, 15:55
Very well, good sah, I shall make the changes! It is never any trouble to make appointments that help to further Her Majesty's pleasure, wot!

Thank you, good sah! I feel much less guilty now!

The Rt. Hon. Lord Sir Ilaer, CBE, OBE, MBE, Lord Chancellor and Newly-Created Minister for Spreading Proper English
Ieuano
24-10-2006, 16:45
I do apologise good sah. If it pleases the good Sah Philosopy, I would like to propose such an idea to my own party.

thats quite alright good sah, throught the official channels, that is how such questions chould be recieved and answered, not stolen by jove.
Ilaer
24-10-2006, 17:05
I say, good chaps, but I was just browsing the Parliament thread and our Bill, though it has not yet been passed, is already being broken! Some Utracia fellow has done this (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11849524&postcount=96).
While I would second the motion to have the Sniper, MP5 and the 'Up Yours' emoticons removed from the forums, it is still unacceptable that such a blatant usage of numbers in the stead of letters should be allowed to pass unnoticed.

The Rt. Hon. Lord Sir Ilaer, CBE, OBE, MBE, Lord Chancellor and Newly-Created Minister for Spreading Proper English
Vacuumhead
24-10-2006, 20:17
Sahs!

Due to the ongoing difficulties with a multi-time zone Parliament of getting all of our MPs lined up at the same time, I would like to propose a 'one party, one voice' policy, wot!

When one person speaks in Parliament, it carries the force (and automatic votes) of the other three members. This way we can get our policies implemented far more quickly, in the name of Her Majesty, wot! Now, should a member not agree with the policy, they can still exercise their independence and withdraw their support, but the default position shall always be 'supporting unless saying something to the contrary.'

Does that make sense, wot? Say what you think in the name of Emparh and Queen Elizabeth!

That is a brilliant idea, I give my fellow NBIP MPs permission to speak in my stead. If we can track down our two missing MPs and get them to agree with that, it would be great. Nice thinking old chap! :)
Vacuumhead
24-10-2006, 23:44
Linky, wot! (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=504391)

For those that are interested, here is the debate thread for the bill for proper English, wot! Post in there and show NS general how true gentlemen of the Emparh speak.
Gurguvungunit
25-10-2006, 07:40
Ah, so much changes in a night away from the computer! Lord Philosophy, thank you for your time. Lord Sir Ilaer, it is no trouble at all. I feel no slight, and take to my position with joy.

You are both gentlemen, as it seems am I. A thread filled with gentlemen, this one is.

*motions for servant to pour tea*

*tea is poured*

Tea?
Jambuka
25-10-2006, 12:58
You do know that Northern Ireland was taken over by the british, you have a problem with Southern Ireland. Damn bitts
New Burmesia
25-10-2006, 13:22
You do know that Northern Ireland was taken over by the british, you have a problem with Southern Ireland. Damn bitts

Southern Ireland doesn't exist any more. Indeed, the Parliament of Southern Ireland only ever existed to ratify the Anglo-Irish treaty to produce the Irish Free State.

So we can't have a problem with it.
Ifreann
25-10-2006, 13:56
Southern Ireland doesn't exist any more. Indeed, the Parliament of Southern Ireland only ever existed to ratify the Anglo-Irish treaty to produce the Irish Free State.

So we can't have a problem with it.

Was it ever actually reffered to as Southern Ireland?
Angliya
25-10-2006, 18:02
Was it ever actually reffered to as Southern Ireland?

It still is.
Prussische
25-10-2006, 18:09
Sorry it's a bit late, chaps, the leader seems to have run off with some posh totty!

The New British Imperial Party
Manifesto

ENGLAND EXPECTS THAT EVERY MAN SHALL DO HIS DUTY
http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e283/Slippery__Jim/UnionJack.jpg


Welcome to the New British Imperial Party manifesto, old boy! It's absolutely spiffing to see you, wotwot! This manifesto is intended to convince you of the benefits to NationStates that would come from the site moving into the light of Britannic civilisation, wot!

Key Points

1) The drinking of tea is mandatory. Any member of NationStates who does not drink at least one cup every 12 hours will get a jolly good talking to! 'Coffee' is banned.

2) The 'United Kingdom' shall be defined in the following way; An English success is 'English'. An English failure is 'Henman'. A Scottish success is 'British.' A Scottish failure is 'Scottish' (this also applies to Wales and those pesky Northern Irelander's, wot!)

3) Instead of warnings, forum bans or deletions, the primary method of enforcing NS rules will be to send in a gunboat.

4) Anyone from a former part of the British Empire is to be referred to as a "damn colonial".

5) Anyone not from a former part of the British Empire or Britain is to be referred to as a "damn foreigner".

6) From this day forth newsreaders are banned from walking around the studio grinning when announcing thousands of deaths.

7) All food dishes must be served with a double portion of chips.

8) The statue of the pregnant woman in Trafalgar Square shall be replaced with one of Terry Wogan.

9) The word "Empire" must be pronounced "Emparh" with reference to the British Empire.

10) It is compulsory to moan about the "bloody weather" at least once per day, or at any time when noticing the bloody weather.

11) An official moratorium is to be put in place upon the phrases "Well done" and "Congratulations". Instead, the phrase "Jolly good show!" must be used.

12) Watching (and waving a Union Flag during) the Last Night of the Proms is compulsorary.

13) The manufacture of tweed jackets, bowler hats and umbrellas is to be subsidised.

14) NationStates shall invest vast sums of money into building a Royal Navy.

15) Celebrating the battles of Agincourt, Trafalgar and Waterloo is compulsorary on pain of removal of tea rations.

16) NationStates is to apply for Commonwealth membership and recognise the Queen as head of state.


Now that that's over, you can all go out and jolly well join up, wot!

God Save the Queen!


Most Honourable Members of Her Majesty's Emparh:

The Rt. Hon. Admiral Lord Sir Professor Philosopy CBE OBE MBE Party President
The Rt. Hon. Lady Lord Sir Vacuumhead CBE OBE MBE Secretary of State for the Home Office and Minister for Ladies; Vice Party President
The Rt. Hon. Lord Sir Rubiconic Crossings CBE OBE MBE First Lord of the Admiralty and Minister for Tea
The Rt. Hon. Lord Sir Fartsniffage CBE OBE MBE Secretary of State for the Foreign Office
Damn Colonial Aronnax Governor-General of Singapore
The Rt. Hon. Lord Sir Call to power Minister for Eggs and Bacon
The Rt. Hon. Lord Sir Forsakia Minister for the Bloody Weather and Minister for Sheep
Damn Foreigner Krensonia Leader of the Dutch Wing of the NBIP
The Rt. Hon. Lord Sir Scarlet States CBE OBE MBE Secretary of State for The Wee Lads and Bonnie Lasses North of the Border
Damn Colonial Malkyer Leader of the United States Wing of the NBIP
The Rt. Hon. Field Marshall Lord Sir The Friesland colony CBE OBE MBE Field Marshal
Damn Colonial Hamilay Secretary of State for the Colonies
The Rt. Hon. Lord Sir The blessed Chris CBE OBE MBE Viceroy of the East India Trading Company
The Rt. Hon. Lord Sir Ilaer CBE OBE MBE Lord Chancellor and Minister for Spreading Proper English
Damn Colonial Caleduardia Minister for the Tropics
Damn Foreigner Novus-America Minister for Counter-Terrorism
The Rt. Hon. Lord Sir Anke Morpork CBE OBE MBE Minister for Imperial Education
The Rt. Hon. Lord Sir Vodka-stonia CBE OBE MBE Minister for Spirits
Damn Colonial Zouloukistan Governor-General of Canada and Minister for The Eradication of Coffee
The Rt. Hon. Lord Sir Mega gning CBE OBE MBE Minister for Flag Waving at the Proms
Damn Colonial Lady Little Monkies Minister for Emparh Fluffles
Damn Colonial Gurguvungunit Minister for the Promotion of Emparh History and Deputy Minister for Spreading Proper English
The Most Hon. Lord Sir Praetonia CBE OBE MBE Duke of Westminister
Damn Colonial Revasser Governor-General of Australia
Damn Foreigner Obok Kyorl Minister for Eastern Affairs
The Rt. Hon. Lord Sir UK-dom Minister for Sanity
The Rt. Hon. Lord Sir. Ieuano Secretary of State for Administrative Affairs

Hah! I truly wish this was serious :D Good show, old boy!
Valtoria
25-10-2006, 18:22
Horrah!

I want to join! Do give me give me details on what I am to do!
Ilaer
25-10-2006, 18:52
Is it just me or is the thread growing busier again? If so then it is terribly good; after all, I remember my own post about the slowing down of things.
Why thank you, Lord Gurguvungunit. I am rather in the mood for a cuppa.
And on the 'Southern Ireland' miniature debate: I'm sorry, but the term 'Southern Ireland' is only a geographical term, and not a very common one at that. The Republic of Ireland is the sovereign state that makes up most of the island of Ireland. Northern Ireland is, admittedly, a source of friction between the UK and the ROI or Eire as they are called in their own tongue, but it is merely that: a source of friction.
By the way, I would like to apologise to any patriotic citizens of Eire. While the Loyalist forces have committed atrocities, as I am sure you would attest to, I must say that the IRA and its various forms (including, not in any particular order, the C(ontinuity) IRA, P(rovisional) IRA, R(eal) IRA and many others) are much older and the entire thing was started by the IRA in 1921 or so. It was at first the temporary official army of the Irish Free State, now the Republic of Ireland, and soon began committing atrocities across the Northen border. The Loyalist groups were formed a few years or so later, after the relatively unsuccessful attempts of the 'brownshirts' (as I believe they were called; they were specially trained members of the British police force and were known for their violent responses to the even more violent and indiscriminate acts of the Republican groups) to halt the Republican aggressions. The 'Troubles' were in fact brought upon the Emerald Isle by your own patriotic Republicans.

Anyway, welcome Valtoria! I daresay the glorious leader Philosophy is somewhat busy at the moment; in the meantime make yourself at home on Imperial territory!
The same applies to you, Prussische, good sah!

The Rt. Hon. Lord Sir Ilaer, CBE, OBE, MBE, Lord Chancellor and Newly-Created Minister for Spreading Proper English
Philosopy
25-10-2006, 20:35
Horrah!

I want to join! Do give me give me details on what I am to do!

Welcome, welcome, good sah! It is always a pleasure to see the party continue to gain new members, wot!
Niploma
25-10-2006, 21:18
Zing! Sign me up!
Philosopy
25-10-2006, 21:21
Zing! Sign me up!

Right away, wot!
Niploma
25-10-2006, 21:23
Can I be Minister for Private Boarding Schools & Upper-Class Bigotry?

Wot, wot. Further info: although of Colonial heritage I am a full and honoured British Citizen.

What will I need to do?
New Burmesia
25-10-2006, 21:24
Can I be Minister for Private Boarding Schools & Upper-Class Bigotry?

Wot, wot. Further info: although of Colonial heritage I am a full and honoured British Citizen.

What will I need to do?

Become our Leader of the Opposition?
Ieuano
25-10-2006, 21:25
Become our Leader of the Opposition?

witty reposte there good show!

The Rt. Hon. Lord Sir. Ieuano Secretary of State for Administrative Affairs
Niploma
25-10-2006, 21:26
Terribly sorry, old bean, but I am state school educated working class idiot. Remind how this whole Parliament falaffle works and I'll tell you what I can do.
Philosopy
25-10-2006, 21:27
Can I be Minister for Private Boarding Schools & Upper-Class Bigotry?

Wot, wot. Further info: although of Colonial heritage I am a full and honoured British Citizen.

What will I need to do?

Just support the party wherever and when is appropriate, old boy!

I have seen that Her Majesty appoints you to the correct Ministry, wot!
Niploma
25-10-2006, 21:28
The Queen!

OOC: God, this is going to be a laugh.
Niploma
25-10-2006, 21:29
Oh, my spiffing Father is a Tory and sails a yacht - are these credentials enough to shoot me up in party wot, wot?
Philosopy
25-10-2006, 21:34
Oh, my spiffing Father is a Tory and sails a yacht - are these credentials enough to shoot me up in party wot, wot?

I think you will go far, old boy!
Niploma
25-10-2006, 21:37
I say, what exacly can I do? Excuse my French but I know bludy nothing of this Parliament one speaks of.

May a fellow Brit explain, wot wot!

If one is not part of this conversation they should recite the following slowly and with a pure British accent.

''The rain in Spain falls mainly in the plain.'' - All together now!

The Queen!
Vacuumhead
25-10-2006, 21:51
I say, what exacly can I do? Excuse my French but I know bludy nothing of this Parliament one speaks of.

May a fellow Brit explain, wot wot!


There is no need to worry about parliament, good sah! The elections are over and MPs have been chosen. If you wish to do something, then you can annoy the other MPs who oppose us (there are several other parliament threads dotted about) with your upper-class British superiority and arrogance. That is always fun, wot! :D
Niploma
25-10-2006, 21:52
Spiffing! How far can we go with the streotype wot wot?

Wait a minute old boy, are we here to hinder proportional democracy with snobbery and stupidity? How British!

The Queen!

Walkers Crisps!

Warm Lager!

***

I say, I even have an idea for the ol' manifesto. I must say that those blasted immigrants must learn some old fashioned 70's British comedy! Monty Python for all!
Philosopy
25-10-2006, 21:53
There is no need to worry about parliament, good sah! The elections are over and MPs have been chosen. If you wish to do something, then you can annoy the other MPs who oppose us (there are several other parliament threads dotted about) with your upper-class British superiority and arrogance. That is always fun, wot! :D

Oh, and vote for this thread as well, old boy! Give a five star for the Emparh!
Niploma
25-10-2006, 22:01
Done!

I've already enggaged in stereotypical faffing around as shown here:

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11855915&posted=1#post11855915

That'll teach those long haired rockers, wot wot!