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No she just lost a very close relative years ago by making a decision with her family and their daughter's fiance to pull the plug. She knows what those parents are going through and stated that she would do the samething if she was in their shoes.

Who slurred who?


You obviously compared zooke to these media pigs and delusional wasters the schindlers.

When you compare somone to people with disfavorable qualities, you imply that your subject has similar disfavorable qualities.

You obviously compared zooke to these media pigs and delusional wasters the schindlers.

She said it herself!

When you compare somone to people with disfavorable qualities, you imply that your subject has similar disfavorable qualities.

Read above statement.

She said it herself!



Read above statement.


I didnt see zooke go down my laundry list of the shindler's abnormalities and agree that they all applied to her.


I dont recall zooke having done any of the kooky things these people did.


Dont make the fallacy of equivocation and pretend that just because zooke had a brain death in the family she is just the same as the schindlers.

WHO, IF YOU CARED TO READ, I ONLY CONSIDER KOOKS BECAUSE OF CERTAIN, SPECIFIC, ENUMERATED ACTIVITIES OF THEIRS.

I didnt see zooke go down my laundry list of the shindler's abnormalities and agree that they all applied to her.


I dont recall zooke having done any of the kooky things these people did.


Dont make the fallacy of equivocation and pretend that just because zooke had a brain death in the family she is just the same as the schindlers.

WHO, IF YOU CARED TO READ, I ONLY CONSIDER KOOKS BECAUSE OF CERTAIN, SPECIFIC, ENUMERATED ACTIVITIES OF THEIRS.

Nevermind. None us are convincing eachother here and this debate has gotten well out of hand.

I'm done.

Nevermind. None us are convincing eachother here and this debate has gotten well out of hand.

I'm done.


You arent 'done' until you apologize (and not to me) for your slander and slurs.

You gave an "amen" to integrity earlier.

For Christ's sake, practice what you preach.

When the time comes, I will!

*pulls out of the thread*

How about we all apologize for the attacks done in this thread?

And Yes I would Cat-Tribe. I would apologize to him. DOn't antagonize me right now because I really am not in the mood for it.

New Granada sorry for the attacks.

Cat-Tribe, I also expect an apology for your attacks on me. BTW: I haven't been on medication in years. The last I was on medication, it made me worse, not better.

I might apologize in the future. Don't hold your breath.

I will apologize for the medication crack. I take a ton myself. (Which may explain a lot :p ) I kid about the stereotypes but I shouldn't use them as a weapon. Ownership is different than hostility.

I might apologize in the future. Don't hold your breath.

I will apologize for the medication crack. I take a ton myself. (Which may explain a lot :p ) I kid about the stereotypes but I shouldn't use them as a weapon. Ownership is different than hostility.

The last time I was placed on medication was when I was diagnosed with ADD/ADHD. It made me worse so I stopped taking them.

Sorry for all of my attacks on ya Cat-Tribe. Passions have been running high. Shall we call a truce?

Now here's a useless piece of meangingless irony, a coincidence of sorts:


Terry schiavo became brain dead as a result of anorexia/bulimia.

Essentially starving herself.

And the last factor and proximate cause of her death was starvation.

0o0o0o0o0o0o0o0 conspiiiiiiiracy?

Well if he doesnt stand to gain in any real way, then that has to count in his favour. It's very unlikely he'd just want to kill her.
He can't marry his other girlfriend untill she died. It was a court order.

He's a murderer, perhaps fueld by love (Though i doubt it, if you were capable of love you couldn't do the things he did to another human being, especialy for an ex which you'd probably still have some traces of feelings for.) but a murderer none the less.

If this was the motivation behind his sick-twisted deeds then he should be hung and beaten with a baseball bat, he could've just as easily argued with the courts to reform that verdict that he couldn't marry the other girl.

And again don't dodge this question as i'm only asking it one more time, why wouldn't he let nurses take her outside? Why wouldn't he let preists give her commune? Why wouldn't he let doctors give her physichal therapy?

It would all be in his best interests, the sooner she got better, the sooner they could get a divorce..

The more humanely he acted, the more likely the judicial branch would release that ruling and let him move on with his life.

This man is comparible to Hitler.

He can't marry his other girlfriend untill she died. It was a court order.

He's a murderer, perhaps fueld by love (Though i doubt it, if you were capable of love you couldn't do the things he did to another human being, especialy for an ex which you'd probably still have some traces of feelings for.) but a murderer none the less.

If this was the motivation behind his sick-twisted deeds then he should be hung and beaten with a baseball bat, he could've just as easily argued with the courts to reform that verdict that he couldn't marry the other girl.

And again don't dodge this question as i'm only asking it one more time, why wouldn't he let nurses take her outside? Why wouldn't he let preists give her commune? Why wouldn't he let doctors give her physichal therapy?

It would all be in his best interests, the sooner she got better, the sooner they could get a divorce..

The more humanely he acted, the more likely the judicial branch would release that ruling and let him move on with his life.

This man is comparible to Hitler.

For that matter, why couldn't he let Terri's own parents be present when she died? Any credibility he might have once had should have been lost when he kicked her parents out of the room.

For that matter, why couldn't he let Terri's own parents be present when she died? Any credibility he might have once had should have been lost when he kicked her parents out of the room.
I get the distinct impression that he and the parents can't stand one another. :(

He can't marry his other girlfriend untill she died. It was a court order.

He's a murderer, perhaps fueld by love (Though i doubt it, if you were capable of love you couldn't do the things he did to another human being, especialy for an ex which you'd probably still have some traces of feelings for.) but a murderer none the less.

If this was the motivation behind his sick-twisted deeds then he should be hung and beaten with a baseball bat, he could've just as easily argued with the courts to reform that verdict that he couldn't marry the other girl.

And again don't dodge this question as i'm only asking it one more time, why wouldn't he let nurses take her outside? Why wouldn't he let preists give her commune? Why wouldn't he let doctors give her physichal therapy?

It would all be in his best interests, the sooner she got better, the sooner they could get a divorce..

The more humanely he acted, the more likely the judicial branch would release that ruling and let him move on with his life.

This man is comparible to Hitler.

nice way to come in swinging with a bunch of nonsense. all of this has been covered over and over in this thread. try reading it because believe me you certainly arent getting any angles that havent been thought of and easily discounted before.

He can't marry his other girlfriend untill she died. It was a court order.

He's a murderer, perhaps fueld by love (Though i doubt it, if you were capable of love you couldn't do the things he did to another human being, especialy for an ex which you'd probably still have some traces of feelings for.) but a murderer none the less.

If this was the motivation behind his sick-twisted deeds then he should be hung and beaten with a baseball bat, he could've just as easily argued with the courts to reform that verdict that he couldn't marry the other girl.

And again don't dodge this question as i'm only asking it one more time, why wouldn't he let nurses take her outside? Why wouldn't he let preists give her commune? Why wouldn't he let doctors give her physichal therapy?

It would all be in his best interests, the sooner she got better, the sooner they could get a divorce..

The more humanely he acted, the more likely the judicial branch would release that ruling and let him move on with his life.

This man is comparible to Hitler.

My cats have a better grasp of the facts than this.

I wish I knew if you got your name right, because you don't understand anything else.

I shouldn't peek under the tinfoil hat, but insanity interests me:
WTF makes you think there is a court order preventing Mr. Schiavo from getting a divorce? :headbang:

For that matter, why couldn't he let Terri's own parents be present when she died? Any credibility he might have once had should have been lost when he kicked her parents out of the room.

Once again, not even within the ballpark of true.

You are clearly as allergic to facts as you are to decency.

I still contend that if somone had made this whole debacle up and written it as a play they'd have won a pulitzer prize.

This man is comparible to Hitler.

I hearby invoke Godwin's Law.

For that matter, why couldn't he let Terri's own parents be present when she died? Any credibility he might have once had should have been lost when he kicked her parents out of the room.

Because of their actions, it was a long-standing rule that they could not be in the room with her together. He wanted to be with his wife when she died, and due to the animosity shown by the Schindlers, they were unable to be with their daughter at her death. Put the blame where it is due.

Because of their actions, it was a long-standing rule that they could not be in the room with her together. He wanted to be with his wife when she died, and due to the animosity shown by the Schindlers, they were unable to be with their daughter at her death. Put the blame where it is due.


Correct, they traded six years of dressing mrs schiavo's body up like a doll and fifteen minutes of fame for the last five minutes of her life.

It was their decision and they are personally responsible for what it entails.

the world seems to thry to justify it's murders, lets see, abortion, euthinasia, starvation. it says In Revelation that the world would get considerably worse near the end of the world. heres what i think.

Michael Shiavo should be lynched, but of course That would be more justified genocide, and then were back to square one.

Michael Shiavo should be lynched, but of course That would be more justified genocide, and then were back to square one.

I think you need to look up the word genocide, darling.

And murder.

the world seems to thry to justify it's murders, lets see, abortion, euthinasia, starvation. it says In Revelation that the world would get considerably worse near the end of the world.

Oh please, it can get much worse than this. Have faith.

ps people have been predicting the end of the world since the dawn of civilization, what makes your prediction any better?

Shouldn't thes thread have been locked 4 pages ago?

Shouldn't thes thread have been locked 4 pages ago?
No...

Because of their actions, it was a long-standing rule that they could not be in the room with her together. He wanted to be with his wife when she died, and due to the animosity shown by the Schindlers, they were unable to be with their daughter at her death. Put the blame where it is due.

Can I see a copy of this long-standing rule?

Can I see a copy of this long-standing rule?
Why? You've already discounted the courts as a credible source. How can you trust them when they say they ordered that the husband and the parents who have lead an extremely viscious personal campaign to destroy his character cannot be in the same room as the woman they are fighting him over?

*Snip*

Can I see proof of this rule please?

Can I see a copy of this long-standing rule?

Well, a couple news blips from CNN and the local channel mentioned it as well.

It makes sense as the police won't simply ask people to leave when they are family.

For that matter, why couldn't he let Terri's own parents be present when she died? Any credibility he might have once had should have been lost when he kicked her parents out of the room.

Actually you can blame that jackass Priest the Schindlers have with them.

That jackass never misses a moment to spew bile at Mr. Schiavo. In fact just before she died he went on a "talk" about how Mr. Schiavo and the Judge were murderers.

So why would you want such bilge around at a moment such as that?

Never mind the fact the Schindlers seem to want everything turned into a media circus.

I don't know.

If it was me and my daughter died; the last thing I would want is the cameras in my face. Yet he had them.....

Oh please, it can get much worse than this. Have faith.
And the moment it does get worse (which it will..) i'm gonna pull out my knife and manslaughter a dozen some people, rading the constitution i think i could pull it off and NOT get in trouble.

I'll do God a favor and serial kill liberals. *nods*

And the moment it does get worse (which it will..) i'm gonna pull out my knife and manslaughter a dozen some people, rading the constitution i think i could pull it off and NOT get in trouble.

I'll do God a favor and serial kill liberals. *nods*


There's some nice Conservative, Christian, pro-life philosophy for you. It's like the people who are proLIFE who go bomb abortion clinics.

And the moment it does get worse (which it will..) i'm gonna pull out my knife and manslaughter a dozen some people, rading the constitution i think i could pull it off and NOT get in trouble.

I'll do God a favor and serial kill liberals. *nods*


*SNIFF SNIFF*

ICK! a troll!

Can I see a copy of this long-standing rule?

If I rule that you cannot come into my house while my boyfriend is there, does it have to be written down for other people to see it?

If I rule that you cannot come into my house while my boyfriend is there, does it have to be written down for other people to see it?

Now your using a strawman's arguement.

Can I see this so called rule please?

Now your using a strawman's arguement.

Can I see this so called rule please?


Dude, are you daft? I really think you aren't, but. . . .

The rule isn't a rule of the court. It's Michael's rule. He gets to decide who visits her and when they visit her. It's like a gay couples parents saying that their spouse cannot visit becasue they aren't legally married. . . . the husband gets that say. It was his rule that they couldn't be in the room when he was.

Dude, are you daft? I really think you aren't, but. . . .

The rule isn't a rule of the court. It's Michael's rule. He gets to decide who visits her and when they visit her. It's like a gay couples parents saying that their spouse cannot visit becasue they aren't legally married. . . . the husband gets that say. It was his rule that they couldn't be in the room when he was.

Bingo!

When a child becomes 18 and gets married, the parents "rights" get limited.

What is the marriage phrase? "Who here gives this woman?" ;)

In my case, my wife would kick my old man out if he suddenly appeared.....

Dude, are you daft? I really think you aren't, but. . . .

The rule isn't a rule of the court. It's Michael's rule. He gets to decide who visits her and when they visit her. It's like a gay couples parents saying that their spouse cannot visit becasue they aren't legally married. . . . the husband gets that say. It was his rule that they couldn't be in the room when he was.

yea Michael's rule. That's the point!

He apparently doesn't care for the feelings of his wife's parents who also loved their daughter with everything they have.

Ewww ewww I know what this is! It's humor! :fluffle:

You are probably the first out of all these posts. ;)

South Park had a show for this affair! The one time I miss it! :(
you MUST find someone who taped it and watch it

not to give too much away but it involves

kenny
the xbox
armageddon
a golden statue of keanu reeves

yea Michael's rule. That's the point!

He apparently doesn't care for the feelings of his wife's parents who also loved their daughter with everything they have.


And they obviously don't care two snits about the man who tried to fulfill their daughter's wishes. Of course, they already said they didn't care what her wishes were, so I guess that's no surprise.

Now your using a strawman's arguement.

Can I see this so called rule please?

Because of the animosity, Micheal Schiavo made sure that he was never visiting Terri at the same time as the Schindlers - it had been going on for years and is in pretty much any source you care to look up on the case.

I still believe that the parents should've been by her side when she died. They are her parents after all.

That is my opinion.

yea Michael's rule. That's the point!

He apparently doesn't care for the feelings of his wife's parents who also loved their daughter with everything they have.


GIVE IT A BREAK ALREADY!!!!

You, once again, have both your facts and your perspective screwed up.

The Schindlers were not even at the hospice when Mrs. Schiavo died. They were not kicked out of her room.

Mr. Schiavo was present and held his wife in his arms when she passed.

Given both the animosity between Mr. Schiavo and the Schindlers and incident that have occurred when they have both been present in Mrs. Schiavo's room, Mr. Schiavo stayed away when the parents were visiting and has had the parents stay away when he is visiting. That is more than reasonable.

If the Schindlers had not been accusing Mr. Schiavo and the entire judicial system of being murderous Nazis, perhaps they would have been present when their daughter passed. But they really have no one to blame but themselves.

Of course it would have been nice if the parents had been there. They were not even physically close and their behavior had led to a situation where they could not always be present.

Stop being petty about this.

I still believe that the parents should've been by her side when she died. They are her parents after all.

That is my opinion.

Suppose a parent beats their child to the point that it will die. Should they be by its side when it dies just because "they are her parents, after all"?

There are limits on these things - and the Schindlers *own* actions are what kept them out of that room.

Suppose a parent beats their child to the point that it will die. Should they be by its side when it dies just because "they are her parents, after all"?

They'd be in jail if its proven that they did beat their child to that point.

There are limits on these things - and the Schindlers *own* actions are what kept them out of that room.

I still say that they should've been allowed in there to be with their daughter's last moments of life.

Now if you excuse me, I have to see how my catholic friends are doing.

They'd be in jail if its proven that they did beat their child to that point.

So? According to you a parent should always be allowed to be with their child at death - "they are the parents, after all."

I still say that they should've been allowed in there to be with their daughter's last moments of life.

So personal responsibility means nothing to you then. That's fine.

So? According to you a parent should always be allowed to be with their child at death - "they are the parents, after all."



So personal responsibility means nothing to you then. That's fine.


We've provided logic and reason Dem. I think its time for him to do likewise instead of just reiterating the same point over and over. Otherwise, there is no point in debating here.

yea Michael's rule. That's the point!

He apparently doesn't care for the feelings of his wife's parents who also loved their daughter with everything they have.

You're assuming he had any control over exactly when his wife died. They had had the rule going that they visited at different times for years and years, it just happens that he was on his visit when she actually flatlined.