NationStates Jolt Archive

good god stok! you're making this ni impossible to win! How bout I just decide since I have a really small population compared to yours but still a fairly large defense budget, my troops are the best trained and best equipped in the world? Like that much?

Like I said, I have planned to make my ending defeat similar to that of Nazi Germany. I satellite some states, envelop others, but in the end run out of supplies/manpower/support and I fall. It's not as hard as it looks. The only reason I'm resisting as much as I am is because of how you guys keep upping yourselves to make yourselves better than I am. Had you been the way you were before, I would have given myself more casualties.

War is never fair.

...when have I ever upped myself, eh? All I did was add some land to make my population a little more like what I really had.

Genetically engineered soldiers, perhaps?

That was an idea and in case you hadn't noticed, I dropped that. lol

Yes, a lot of the things you guys suggested were ideas.

...eh? What has that got to do with anything? This was an IDEA THREAD! lol

The World War III idea thread, not "how to beat Stoklomolvi so we seem strong" thread.

...ok. now your just confusing me. I'm not trying to make it easy to beat you. I'm just trying to level the playing field so it actually ends up requiring good RP skills and strategy to determine the winner. Not impossible amounts of troops with an impossible training level. To me, it looks more like a "how Stoklomolvi can beef up himself to beat the world" thread.

Level the playing field by coordinating with your allies and thinking about a long-term strategy, not complain and say that you have better men. I mean, in my actual IC nation I have several huge nations far larger than I am who are sitting on top of me with huge militaries, and I'm not complaining.

To be honest, its not the size that bothers me. Its the fact that your claiming that you have highly trained troops in high concentrations. But enough of bickering. And I really don't appreciate being called a whiner. Seems to me like you're the one complaining that we're trying to make it easy to win.

Like I said, I've already planned out my defeat.

well...ok. Whatever. lol. Like i said. Enough arguing.

Reasons why my navy is improbable but not impossible:

A. My navy ships don't cost as much as regular ships because they are weaker.
B. The Korean Navy was deployed in case you hadn't noticed.
C. Some of the carriers only have two or three aircraft.
D. I don't want to give away my secret plot, but Japan wasn't exactly building these in planned peace-time.

Rithian, I do not understand any of the statistics of your tanks or ships. For all I know, your tanks are made of tissue paper and your ships rubber.

dude...you're still not factoring in support ships. theres no freaking way! You'd have about 400 ships which is double what the entire US has got!

In case you've noticed, I'm only using these defensively.

Oh, and Stok, Mt Id arguing with me over my navy is evidence he wants this to be realistic.

Okay, here's the stats for my ships.


Rithic Bulk Aircraft Carrier x20 in commission

x2 turrets
made of regular steel
x5 landing spots

Rithic Carrier(otherwise known as Bulk Fighter)

2x Back Turrets
2x Front Turrets
made of regular steel


As you can see, my navy ships are quite frankly crap.

true...they are. lol. What kind of aircraft are on the carriers, how many, and what type of "turrets" are you talking about? Missile turrets? Cannon turrets? And what kind of missile or what caliber of weapon? Plus, the steel to just make that many ships still gets up there.

I have a 3,500 commissioned aircraft system, 2,500 of which are in Japan, specs for these can be seen on my military specs earlier in this thread. The most common are the Bulk Fighter and Bomber, however several NAROs do show up on the carriers. The turrets are usually missile, however sometimes the two back turrets on a carrier are cannon turrets.

The missiles are anti-sea and anti-air, while the cannons are conventional. I don't know a realistic caliber.

holy crap...3500 aircraft? What type of aircraft cause if they're anything advanced you must be skimping on other military expenditures. And if they're stealth craft, you can bet ur ass it'd take almost all you had.

bottom of page 17. They're not stealth. That's also 3,500 TOTAL in working order. I'm probably only using like 600 total in all my operations right now.

Ah...

Okay, does it make sense now?

Navy still seems insane but it looks like it could be wiped out by a few missiles from about 10 ships.

My navy is mainly a protection, I forgot to say they're very small and compact. An aircraft carrier is only as big as it needs to be, and the Carriers are about 1/4 the size of a warboat.

...dude, you've got it backwards. Carriers are the biggest ship a navy can have. They have to be to have a large enough run way.

Erm, Rithian, you might as well not have those ships at all. No radar? No radio? No communications at all? No engine? No propeller? No rudder? No command centre? That's not really a ship, more a floating death trap.

lol stok. You do have a point. And adding all that crap also adds a whole bunch of freaking money.

The actual components of the ship are all of those. You can't have a ship without radar, at least. You're firing blind, essentially.

which means missiles won't go anywhere.

Exactly. You're firing a missile based on sight. How reliable are your eyes, especially without any form of assistance?

I didn't use the engine part mainly because I thought that was unnecessary. Also, there are radars. I didn't do the rooms also, mainly because I thought it was unnecessary. They have an Army Com unit aboard, which doesn't cost much, maybe 50-75 dollars each. Also, my aircraft carriers and my carriers are different things.

wtf? Aircraft Carriers and Carriers are different? Are you calling your support ships carriers?

Yeah what? Do some research mate.

My carriers are Fighter Ships. My support ships are support ships, but I don't need them THAT often since the navy is usually docked, and when it's used, it's only in my waters.

What? A carrier carries planes to the fight. Having 20 would murder your economy. You wouldn't be able to even run them.

Ah what the heck, I just won't have a navy. (I never really understood ships when I was looking up tactics).

Just have, say, 3 carriers max. They are SUPER expensive and only a few RL nations have more than 1.

Alright, three aircraft carriers. What about my fighters (destroyers)?

Well, since you do have a small economy I would suggest a cheap but effective destroyer and leave out the cruisers.

small GDP* How do you know I don't have 1% tax?

Anyhow, I'm going with my cruiser design, but for a destroyer, with a missile bay and missing the front turret.

uh...dude. GDP is Gross Domestic Product. It is a measure of how much people SPEND. If you have a 1% tax, your GDP would be through the roof! your low tax would give people plenty of money to spend on whatever they wanted. What you want is your government budget or more specifically defense spending, which, according to NSEconomy, is only barely over 100 billion. its 101 billion actually. Try building any sort of navy on that. Or any military for that matter.

I know your economy for this nation doesn't have to be your NS nation's economy according to Chernobl, but you can't just say you've got butt loads of money.

Oh, and your tax rate is 81 percent. not 1. lol. You might want to try lowering that to increase your economy. Or just kick it up to 100 and become communist.

Ok well, we might as well get back to RPing.

I got a question. Is South Africa Stok's? and if not who's is it?

Oh, and your tax rate is 81 percent. not 1. lol. You might want to try lowering that to increase your economy. Or just kick it up to 100 and become communist.

I'm pretty sure the same different economy thing applies to taxes. Mine is 40%. Also, 100% doesn't necessarily mean communist, it could mean Socialist-Communism.

ok, but true communism is 100% tax rate and the government gives the citizens what they need and no more usually.

All right, Rithian, I'm going to do you a favor. You tell me what you're population is, your tax rate, and what percentage of your government budget you use on defense and i'll give you the amount of money you have to spend. That will fix our arguments...hopefully. Its just a matter of calculations

actually: better idea.
http://members.fortunecity.com/thracetailteann/html/gnp.html

go there and just plug in your numbers

Total Budget: 1958.4 billion
Military Budget: 783.36 billion

what rates did you use?

274 pop
Good Economy
Inoffensive Centrist Democracy gov.
50% tax(It might have been 40%)
Higher for the Wealthy
40% military spending(I said before, we weren't exactly planning for peacetime.)

Why you gotta be that way man?

...Good economy? Sigh...ah well. it works. Atleast now we have something to go on.

The calculator bloats everything. It gives me a value of 50 trillion USD. Do you really want me to use that as well?

Hang on Chernobl, if he forced him to use his actual nation he'd be obliterated. Just let him have it. It isn't extraordinary. It just means his economy is screwed afterwards. Kinda like the Cold War when we out spent the Russians. lol. We could take it, they couldn't

Oh man wow 2much.

Argh. What do ye want me to lower?

I think you are ok but Stok has enough already and needs to quit whinin. He has enough advantages already.

50 trillion for what? And I know it bloats a bit, but I don't know how u could have gotten that much of an increase.

I would have assumed that we're using statistics at least somewhat similar to those of our actual NS nations. And I cannot respond until Rithian tells me what the FUCK "Scythe tanks" are.

$50 trillion for my defence budget, using 33% of my total budget as military.

If you are playin as your NS nation you get those stats. He is playing someone else. That website is full of shit. Rith tell him what the damn tanks are. It better be MT.

OOC: Are you going on a campaign to pick them off one by one? If not, then you don't need to know yet. I'm not using em. Here's basically what a scythe tank is, I'll tell you specifics later.

One [Insert realistic size here] shell tank.
3 Steel Spikes on edges of wheels.
Back Machine Gun
Bluish black.

Edit: When I use them, i'll post a whole description and dance on the IC thread.

What so special about it?

I just use that website for an approximate. I prefer NSEconomy cause it's based of NS itself. That website may actually have flawed calculations. Not really sure. lol. Dunno how the hell u got 50 trillion though.

Erm, that tank frankly sucks. No engine? No calibre? No bore? No description of rifling/smoothbore? No targeting computer? No autoloader? No crew? What?

Mt Id, go to that website and plug my nation statistics in. Set the military percentage to 33%. It gives 50 trillion.

What so special about it?

The metal spikes allow close range combat to become so much easier. Like the technique used by Assyria, it killed thousands just by ramming them with Spikes. It also improves the aerodynamic shape of the tank, allowing it to go a TINY TINY TINY bit faster.

Yeah. thats not so amazing.

Still. No engine? What?

Why did you expect it to be? I just like building suspense. But to show you an example, during the invasion of Ferraridson, 500 scythe tanks took out half my enemies forces.

Edit: I really need to say I have an engine stok?

Yes, you do. You could have a diesel 1500hp engine, or you could have a gasoline engine with 800 hp. I don't know weight, I don't know width, I don't know length, I don't know what the machine gun is, and I don't even know anything about the armour. The only things I do know are that it has spikes, it is black/blue, and it has a cannon. It could be a cardboard box.

Metal shell.
Diesel 1000 HP engine
One gunner
One driver
One aimer
Computer aiming system
M2 MG .50 calibre.

Weight? Length? Width? Height? Armour?

50 metric tons weight
24 feet length
10 feet width
6 feet height
Chobham plating

Can't you just put everything into one box, like I did for my Type 5 MBT (http://z4.invisionfree.com/NSDraftroom/index.php?showtopic=4317)?

Sorry I was answering your questions.

aaaaand chobham armor is kinda expensive. lol.

When do we start the fighting?

aaaaand chobham armor is kinda expensive. lol.

It's the only one I know.

OOC:Is this actualy going along? If so, could someone give me a rundown if I'm allowed to join?

OOC: Yes, there is an IC thread. The rundown is small. Stok, a commie, is trying to take over the world. Me, Chernobl, Mt. Id, USA, and France are all in the Democratic Alliance, trying to stop him. He started by attacking me by using a VERY shaky Cassus Belli because one of my citizens shot his chief diplomat on his way out from the building, but he was just a mugger.

Why are we using OOC in an OOC thread? lol. And gibberish, the fight has already started. What part of the world are you again?

I was wondering, which countries on my list were actually not being used?

Just give me your top 5 and we can go from there.

i'm mexico

ah.

I did a few pages back, but here is the general list of my top four
Based of of the map:
1 Canada with the little new england part
2 Benelux Countries
3 India
4 Vatican City?

Why do you want Vatican city?

Why not the Vatican City?

Hmm, Just seemed rather odd of a choice for me.

He controls the world's Catholics. Why on earth would he not want it? :p

Cause Catholics scareme. *Cowers in fear of religous wierdos*

lol true
But anyway, are all available?

Nope, only two as far as I can see.

If you want to be completly surrounded by me you can have Vatican lol.

chernobl, reply to your 1700's thread please.

well, besides the Vatican, which one is open?

Benelux Countries

Ill take the Benelux, don't want to have a huge religious war with "Christian cannons" or "Wrath of God Nukes" or " Religous powered tanks" or something along those lines.

Ok. Your free to RP.

Your pop will be like 15 mil, seeing as you control so little land, if you want it raised just ask and we can work some thing out.

Thanks!

NP man, good luck.

Agreed, you'll need it.