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Anyone up for a WW3 scenario? Its just an idea but I figure ill let the NS world decide how it would work. Post your ideas!

And yes I know its been done.

I think it should be WW20 or something like that

not in my world :)

You realize we're all a part of the same world right?

You realize we're all a part of the same world right?

Not really. The sheer majority of Third Spanish States history wouldn't make any sense if I considered NSEarth as a whole, and I don't.

I've been planning for the long term my own string of events and RPs leading to a possible WW3, related to the fact that oil peaked in 2037 in Third Spanish States' Earth, which does not have ultra-unrealistic infinite oil sold cheaper than water and other absurdities I prefer to outrightly ignore involving metagaming assumptions.

Ah, I see. I just thought that since somebody who's being assaulted in maybe two or three other threads gets chewed out for attempting to join another, they were all generally linked.

A world war three would be interesting, to watch, and for Beatusian news crews to cover. Might even get involved. :D

Yeah, if it's set up and planned right I'd totally join.

Ah, I see. I just thought that since somebody who's being assaulted in maybe two or three other threads gets chewed out for attempting to join another, they were all generally linked.

They are linked, for you can't claim to have multiple versions of your own nation in parallel universes as a pretext to ignore the consequences of poor RPing and of "I WANT TO RULE THE WORLD!!!11one" n00b diplomacy(technically you can for there is no official rule against it, as long as you don't mind having your username in the ignore lists of many people, of course.). But on the other hand, just because two nations nuked each other to oblivion in an thread, you are not forced to roleplay the consequences of fallout reaching your nation.

This is what I meant.

Okay, thanks for the explanation.

I was thinking of a World in Conflict type WW3 or an EndWar style WW3 with each nation playing in the place of a real-world nation.

WW3 will truly not work unless it is agreed upon that only conventional warfare may be used, and that would not really be a total World War in the sense of the word. Nowadays, a world war would be waged with death, extinction, and radiation. Not something pretty.

Agreed. I might join in as my MT nation if it's guaranteed that people aren't going to start dropping nukes on me right and left. WMD's just make things too easy. :p

yea that sounds cool i like it.

This sounds interesting

Sure, I'll do it if we don't have to be real-world nations.

Sure, why not? I'm down, so long as we stick to the "no nuclear annihilation" clause.

That does it! I declear war on all of you!

*builds nukes, hoards oil, genocides a race or two and to top it all off, drowns some puppies*

*hoards oil*

OOC: Monster!

So, any ideas for a backstory, or a reason why this war gets started? It'd be a little lame if it was just two groups of nations suddenly shouting "I declarez war on j00!!!"

Anyone feel like declaring their populace a master race and going imperialist on some other folks? XD

http://wolf.readinglitho.co.uk/mainpages/oilwars.html

Sounds good to me. We can kind of do that have one nation attack another for resources, then some people jump in, then some people on the other side join in, then a few alliances, and we got ourselves WWIII.

I support no nuclear annihilation clause, however, I think we should still be able to use strike missiles (Fired same way as nuclear, but only destroy about 50 miles around impact.)

Sounds good to me. We can kind of do that have one nation attack another for resources, then some people jump in, then some people on the other side join in, then a few alliances, and we got ourselves WWIII.

I support no nuclear annihilation clause, however, I think we should still be able to use strike missiles (Fired same way as nuclear, but only destroy about 50 miles around impact.)

So essentially a nuclear missile...

But weaker.

typically, when nukes are involved your gonna lose about 70% of your forces, along with much of the population.

I'd like to get involved in it.

I may be interested in this.

Would we be using our NS Populations and Budgets?

Sure, why not? I'm down, so long as we stick to the "no nuclear annihilation" clause.

Ditto

Remember, it doesn't have to be like WWII. Does no one every pay any attention to WWI? A complex system of alliances set off that one and it all started with a leader being assasinated by another nation without any heir (it was an absolute monarchy). Who hear is an absolute monarchy who is screwed if their leader is assasinated?

Another thing - shall we be RPing massive scale consequences afterwards or not because such a war would leave all of our nations devastated.

I'd be in, and also, I'm currently running an EndWar RP offsite, if anyone is interested.

Ditto

Remember, it doesn't have to be like WWII. Does no one every pay any attention to WWI? A complex system of alliances set off that one and it all started with a leader being assasinated by another nation without any heir (it was an absolute monarchy). Who hear is an absolute monarchy who is screwed if their leader is assasinated?

Actually, it was the heir, not the leader :p

Although I would not like to think of the war degrading into a trench war...

But trenches = massive funz & stalemates. Although I actually doubt the usefulness of my highly mechanized forces in trenches. Yeah, it depends. Chemical & Biological weapons = allowed though because while they are WMDs, they don't cause the same scale explosions as nukes and they don't stay contaminated as long.

I would think that trenches are kind of trumped by air forces, aren't they? What's the advantage of hiding in a trench when the enemy has tactical bombers and attack helicopters?

True, like I said, are we using our NS Pop's and Budgets?

Yes, otherwise I lose my key advantage...

So, to get us started,

"The grand and glorious Hypocracy of Lapse has decided that all people should be members of the Chosen people of the actual dog (our state religion) and anyone who does not believe in the power of the actual dog must be slain by our hands. Either that or they must also partake in the slaying, give us lots of money and atleast pretend to be promoting the Chosen People of the Actual dog within their countries. So yeah, choose or die Flea-harbourers!!!"

True, like I said, are we using our NS Pop's and Budgets?

I think we should. Also the geneva convention would definetly apply. Also it should be strictly MT.

I think we should. Also the geneva convention would definetly apply. Also it should be strictly MT.

I agree, Geneva convention, no shooting at my medics! Although, really all that means is that the winner can say the loser committed war crimes.

The Geneva Convention in NS is bullshit and will always be since nobody is there to enforce it. If I joined in this world war, I could use chemicals all I wanted and you could say nothing except fight back. I could shoot your medics all day long and you could do nothing except fight back.

That is to say, I don't really have time to join in right now...

Well remember how screwed up war was without the geneva convention. You really wanna pull that crap? C'mon

Also the geneva convention would definetly apply.

I do believe we have found a very original casus belli.

I agree, Geneva convention, no shooting at my medics! Although, really all that means is that the winner can say the loser committed war crimes.

lol

How about RL Int'l Law Followers vs. Opposers? Instead of Lapse's idea.

Also, my leaders may use the Geneva Convention for toilet paper.

Well yeah. Well if you wanna murder your prisoners go ahead but I dont want that on my chest. :p

But first we need a feel for everyones location. We got any talented map makers?

Ooh prisoners, now I can do a Hogan's heroes like RP :D, with an incompetent officer in charge, where the prisoners sneak out, reach an allied city, attend a meeting, and be back before roll call the next morning.

I'd just drop my Micro-Warrior virus on any trenches set up in my country or near it by an enemy nation.

I Like the idea of WW3.

I'm up for it.

I like the idea and I would be more than willing to draw up a map albeit, it won't apply to anything outside this thread. and if anyone wants to they can send me a picture of their country and I can incorporate it in or I can just do shapes and put names in them. lol.

Rithian is a kind of weird shape, it's pretty large though, I have 1.5 billion citizens and I have a density of 1 million per square mile in most places, except in big cities where there are 20-40 million. But any how, I think a good Casus Belli would be a triggered alliance war. I might be able to get the BSO in here, it all depends. We could do a WWI-WWII mix. Two big countries ally a small country, which is accused of assassinating a leader of another big country. This causes the one big country to declare war on the little country, the two big countries declare on the one, the allies of the one attack the two, so the two's allies jump in. This goes on until one of the countries attacks an uninvolved nation, which triggers it to jump in, setting those allies off as well. Then its the ultimate showdown.

I like Rithians idea. Chernobl is a large, country full of forests resembling Germanys black forests and mountains like the alps.

Ultimate Showdown...of Ultimate Destiny...Sorry. couldn't resist. :D. And I like the idea as well.

lol.

I like it . . .can I get in? (/can someone tg me if this pans out?) ty

still waiting to hear the final verdict myself. What's the plan?

Well... Thats up for you guys to decide.

OK

So we have totally abandoned my idea? Great.

What was your idea Uiri? And i'm completly for the idea of WW3.

Actually Uiri you have a damn good idea i think we should vote.

....

Great.

It was basically Geneva Convention followers vs. ignorers. Very original. Very simple. Very fun.

Well, we need to be sure that people who vote don't flake out. I'm voting for my idea, clearly.

Ah. Works for me.

Well, should we use a custom map, or good old fashoined battleground Earth?

Like i said i'm willing to make a map if that's what it comes to, but just using an original map works too.

So what... my idea pwns?

Also, I suggest we do a battleground earth or atleast make a map purely for the war.

Do y'all have AIM?

I have it, not sure if its still active though. lol

Try contacting me. My AIM is on my profile.

I dont anymore :(

Msn?

I like to keep my MSN to people I know IRL only.

Chernobl, you'd be surprised. It probably still works.

No I guess I could make a new AIM account tho. Gimme a minute

Msn?

I have that, check my profile thing

Ok my AIM name is chernobl12

I'm not allowed to use instant messengers. Obviously, I vote for my idea.

I support Uiri's idea...

Well I also vouch for Uiri. Now lets organize teams. Im thinkin Axis and allies esque teams. Battleground Europe/Asia. Unless someone has a better idea.

Well, why not make a map to place our nations together so that we keep our homelands in their shapes or else make it a war through colonies and we can creat a fictional land mass-type thing.

Well I control all of the Balkans, Eastern Europe and Bavaria.

That's nice.

I have a long list of stuff I control but none of it is in Europe. If you want I can give it to you but it is rather long.

is that including European Russia? if not, then I'll take Russia

Nope none of russia just the former republics. Lets see the list Uiri.

oh i forgot to metion I also control Italy and Sicily.

damn broken spacebar *throws keyboard*

Vietnam
Malaysia, Singapore, Brunei
Phillipines
Tanzania, Kenya, Uganda, Burundi, Rwanda
Parts of Saudi Arabia, United Arab Emirates, Qatar
Nigeria
Senegal, Gambia
various islands in the lesser antilles
Panama
Antarctica from 150 degrees to 150 degrees with 180 degrees in the middle
Western Canada (British Columbia, Alberta, Saskatchewan, Yukon, parts of the NW Territories)

That's it. We'll breakdown claims so that they cover similiar land area.

big ass country :p

So who wants to start the thread?

id like to join

ok. where is your nation located?

I'd like to take the United Kingdom, Ireland and India if its possible.

For your territory?

Yes. Sorry for not specifying.

Ok. Thought you mistook it for a RL RP:p

Looks more promising than before. I'll take all of the former Qing Dynasty territory, meaning China, Mongolia, Taiwan, Manchuria, and Tannu Tuva. And Russia east of the Urals. It's not like anybody lives there anyway.

ohai no taxes

OK (Little massive lol)

If everyone is takin massive nations I also claim Scandinavia and France.

My claim is massive? At least it's in one piece. Uri has basically half the world.

Haha I know lol.

for my claim can i have brazil, uruguay,paraguay and argentina?

Firstly, it's Uiri, not Uri. Do not confuse me with a swiss canton, it is VERY annoying.

Secondly, I have less than half Canada and less than half Saudi Arabia. I do not have half the world. No where close. Besides, with a 3+ bil pop, I can't fit it all into a space less than 1 mil km squared with out being one big city. OK. You asked me to list my colonies. I did.

I misspelled your name. Get over it. People spell me as Stoklomovi all the time, and it bugs me. Do I get pissed off? No.

Your colonies and your homeland make up practically half the world.

on second thought, I'll take Uzbekistan and Kazakhstan instead, since combined they for the shape of my nation more or less

Can I take Ghana, Benin, Togo?

when will a map be up?

If i'm making the map it won't be until tommorow late. I got school in the morning unfortunatly and work in the early evening. Sorry. And i'm not entirely sure how this claiming idea is going on. Are we just spouting random places we want to control?

Seems like it. I never specified where Nikovalusca is located (in fact made up some fictional geographic features), since I was never into claiming real world territory. Oh well. Guess I'm looking for 17,413 sq km of the most mountainous terrain imaginable to plop myself down on.

I would like:

Iceland; Greenland; Parts of the Untied States: Maine, New Hampshire, Vermont, Massachusetts, Rhode Island, Connecticut, New York, Michigan; Parts of Canada: New Foundland and Labrador, Quebec, Ontario, New Brunswick, Nova Scotia, PEI, Nunavut Territory

And we're deciding land area how?

That's just the area that I calculated for my nation, based on the population density I wanted and my population. I'm playing a capped population for Nikovalusca, just so I can keep it small and manageable. Everyone else's area is up to them, that's just the method I've chosen to use.

Mt. Id, I can do the map. I'll calculate land area and I'll try to make it about as fair as I can. Keep in mind most of Canada and about half of Saudi Arabia is up for grabs still.

Stok: STFU, it is not half the world. Your claim is just as big. The claims were made in separate colonization threads.

Nikovalusca: I'll find something.

Beatus: Take Manitoba and I have a tiny part of Nunavut but you can have the bit of the NW Territory I didn't take.

East Laos, C-P, Cripistan, Royal-Union: That's all you're getting so don't complain if everyone else gets more, mmk?

Chernobl: We'll see. And Scandinavia isn't specific. I'll give you European Russia since I doubt anyone else will want it.

Is there anything that isn't taken?

Korea :p

Most of Asia, Most of Africa, half of Europe, most of Latin Ameica, about half of the US and most of the Pacific Islands.

I have all of Europe except Spain and the British isles

Chernobl, no. I gave you European Russia, you already have the former republics, and Italy. I'll give you Scandinavia (excluding Iceland) but not Germany, Benelux, France, Switzerland, the British Islands or any of Iberia.

Also, Stoklomolvi is waaaaaaay bigger than me. I have less territory than Brazil, even combined and China is bigger than Brazil. Period.

I'll take what's left of America i guess. :D

No way! That is waaay too big. Oh wait...you mean the US, don't you? If you mean the US, ok. If you mean America, no.

Eh? What's the difference between the U.S. and America? They mean the same thing. North America and South America are continents. lol.

You arrogant little USian. North America is not a continent separate from South America. You USians do that to separate your self from the poorer nations south of you.

What the hell is wrong with you? It IS a freaking seperate continent. Have you not had 5th grade Geography? And where do you get off calling ME arrogant you little...ahem. I'll try to be nice. You're the one stealing this thread from Chernobal, saying what is and what isn't to big. What's the deal? If that's not arrogant I don't know what is. And I don't care who's south of me. If they're poor, they're poor. But if i'm not mistaken, some of those South American countries that you called our 'poorer neighbors' are sitting on some of the largest oil fields in the world. They're sitting on wealth. In my book, that makes them not poor.

Yes, ok, that was wrong of me. I have had 5th grade geography. There are six continents - America, Europe, Asia, Africa, Oceania and Antarctica. Anyhow, you are right. I am stealing the thread, but I don't know if you noticed but most people aren't claiming huge bits of land over 9,000,000 square kilometres, with the exception of Stok who always RPs being that big anyhow. And they are third world. That makes them poor in my book.

As for what is wrong with me, I think its all the USian television I watch and the fact that your country calls itself America when it spans less than half the continent. That's like China calling its self the United States of Asia.

I apologize if I haven't already put that in there.

Do you want the rest of America or the US?

...Wow man. You have one heck of a grudge against America. And when I said i claim what's left of america, i meant the United States. And if you're going to be such a pain in the ass about it, how bout I just say that Europe and Asia are combined into one continent since they're basically one really freakishy large landmass? Many scientists already say that. And the reason the United States of America is called what it is is because we started out as the British colonies (aka states) in the New World (aka America), so when we all formed into one body, that's what we called ourselves, the United States of America. Not out of arrogance or anything, just out of commen sense. We weren't going to change our name to "The United States of HALF of America". And now that we've named ourselves, there really isn't a reason to change a few centuries of history just because some loser from a foreign country who really dosn't matter says we should. America is America, and that isn't arrogance. Its just a name. Chill. And funny thing, you watch AMERICAN television all the time. Wonder why? Maybe cause we're a rather interesting country. Maybe not the best in some peoples opinions, but we're still a damn good country.

So all I'm saying is don't bash America because of a name. It isn't arrogance unless you just decide to see it that way. And apparently u do because you're calling us 'USians' which is actually rather funny. Just out of curiosity, where are you from? if you don't want to tell me, thats fine. Just means you're not proud of where you come from. Or atleast not as proud as I am.

And another thing. Calling a country 'third world' is rather insulting. I don't think our 'poorer neighbors to the south' would appreiciate that.

Now can we get back to the WW3 idea? You're starting to bore me with you're insatiable america bashing.

Uiri, there are SEVEN, read, SEVEN continents. Not because of your silly political gambit, but because of the TECTONIC PLATES that the continents rest upon.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Plates_tect2_en.svg

While it is true that Europe and Asia are divided, they rest on the same plate. So, there would be six continents if Europe and Asia were not divided. HOWEVER, that is not the case. There are TWO Americas. The United States of America refers to a federation of states in America, and this state calls itself the United States. For all I care, Brazil can call itself the same thing, but generally speaking America refers to the US. North America is a continent that includes "Central America", and South America is a continent.

My claimed country is larger than Russia. Yay. Your claimed nation spans half of the world since you have stuff everywhere. I have three fourths of the continent of Asia. So yes, both of us have half the world, but I don't really care.

Woot! I have a friend in stoklomolvi :D. lol. Least I'm not the only one with commen sense.

Stok - So Arabia is a continent too then, huh? Continents are established by convention. Asia and Europe have completely different cultures and are separate because of that. When explorers came to the western hemishpere they found America. One landmass. Just because the USians drill a hole through Panama doesn't make them separate. The plates mean shit.

Mt. Id - I'm Canadian. I watch USian television because that's what is on. Anyhow, I gave you the rest of the US.

Map (http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k155/Uiri/Uiri/Maps/WW3_Map.png)

:P We posted within one minute of each other.

Ladies and gentlemen, line up your grudge matches for when the real game begins! :P

BTW, The Aletes, I put you in Switzerland. It is over twice the territory you asked for but it was the smallest I could find.

Geneva Convention, y/n, those are the sides.

Well, it's good, but come on, a straight line through Russia?

Uiri, Panama did NOT create the two American plates. Who knows what did? If the United States made two plates, then why on earth would it have separated in what we would call Asia? It's just a general statement. Like you said, Europe and Asia have different cultures. North and America are divided tectonically.

BTW, The Aletes, I put you in Switzerland. It is over twice the territory you asked for but it was the smallest I could find.

Geneva Convention, y/n, those are the sides.

I'll be playing half of Switzerland then. I don't really see any reason to change my country around to conform to real world boundaries. The real-world country picking is convenient, but it's not what I had in mind when I joined this thing.

Stok - So Arabia is a continent too then, huh? Continents are established by convention. Asia and Europe have completely different cultures and are separate because of that. When explorers came to the western hemishpere they found America. One landmass. Just because the USians drill a hole through Panama doesn't make them separate. The plates mean shit.

Mt. Id - I'm Canadian. I watch USian television because that's what is on. Anyhow, I gave you the rest of the US.

Map (http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k155/Uiri/Uiri/Maps/WW3_Map.png)

So Asia and Europe are separate continents because they have completely different cultures. I don't know if you noticed, but North and South America have separate cultures too. Also the continent you claim, would be if anything, the Americas, with an s. America, is short for the United States of America.

Also, I would be fine with talking Manitoba, and ceding part of Nunavut for part of the NW territory.

*drowns some puppies*

Monster!

Can I also take a few more countries. I thought you could only take three. If so, I'll also have Cote d'ivore, Liberia, Sierra Leone, Burkina Faso, Niger, Mali, Senegal, The Gambia, Chad?

I have a colony in Japan, but my main area is the Mediterranean Union. This means Greece, Macedonia, Bulgaria, Egypt, and Libya.

Well, it's good, but come on, a straight line through Russia?

Uiri, Panama did NOT create the two American plates. Who knows what did? If the United States made two plates, then why on earth would it have separated in what we would call Asia? It's just a general statement. Like you said, Europe and Asia have different cultures. North and America are divided tectonically.

It's rough. The plates mean shit.

I'll be playing half of Switzerland then. I don't really see any reason to change my country around to conform to real world boundaries. The real-world country picking is convenient, but it's not what I had in mind when I joined this thing.

Go ahead.

So Asia and Europe are separate continents because they have completely different cultures. I don't know if you noticed, but North and South America have separate cultures too. Also the continent you claim, would be if anything, the Americas, with an s. America, is short for the United States of America.

Also, I would be fine with talking Manitoba, and ceding part of Nunavut for part of the NW territory.

Its by convention. Really. When it comes to continents there is no real right or wrong. It's all what one is taught.

Monster!

Grow up.

Can I also take a few more countries. I thought you could only take three. If so, I'll also have Cote d'ivore, Liberia, Sierra Leone, Burkina Faso, Niger, Mali, Senegal, The Gambia, Chad?


Look at the map before claiming bits of my land. Please and thank you.

I have a colony in Japan, but my main area is the Mediterranean Union. This means Greece, Macedonia, Bulgaria, Egypt, and Libya

Look at the map before claiming Chernobl's land. Please and thank you.

Where the heck is the dang map?

First post of the page.

I am assuming this is already happening? I thought of the idea, but figured no-one would pay any attention to mine. It would be WW2 MK2! With my nation being run by nationalists, and the a leader called Spitler!

Could you give me a quick basis? There is too much to skim and scan even.

Oh, well, eh, I don't really care. I probably wouldn't be that active anyhow, I'm notorious for that. Besides, I have an alliance to run, and I'm busy, so later.

I am assuming this is already happening? I thought of the idea, but figured no-one would pay any attention to mine. It would be WW2 MK2! With my nation being run by nationalists, and the a leader called Spitler!

Could you give me a quick basis? There is too much to skim and scan even.

Not quite yet, but Uiri hijacked it and now seems to be trying to get this started as soon as the human mind can calculate the neutral tree.


Which means one day.

The alliance barely does anything. That was the whole point of me pointing this thread out, so that we'd have something to do.

Yay, there's my claim. Could I have a colony in Australia?

Plates mean shit? Then your argument of one "America" is also bullshit. Europe and Asia are divided culturally. North and South America are divided both culturally and tectonically. Are you to say that they are one? You can ask any geologist/geographer. They will tell you that North and South America are DIFFERENT.

Besides, when did you step in as overlord of this thread? It was Chernobl's idea, not yours.

The alliance barely does anything. That was the whole point of me pointing this thread out, so that we'd have something to do.

Grr on you, I was trying to throw a successful tantrum there......

Okay, sorry for taking some of your land. Could I add on Cote d'ivore, Burkina Faso, Mali, Niger, Chad, Central African Rep., Cameroon, and Eq. Guinea?

This is Chernobl's thread, they should decide who gets what.

Uiri just give me Germany. Thats very important to me. It where my capital is. That is all I ask.

Uiri, there have been multiple 'conventions' as you call them, so which one is right? Some say there are 7 continents, some say there are 6 with North and South America combined and others say that there are 6 with Asia and Europe combined. And incase you haven't noticed, there is a MASSIVE difference between, well, the US and pretty much anywhere else. We're actually closest to some European cultures in some ways and closest to Mexican, and other cultures in different ways. There's a reason America is called a 'melting pot'. But it is quite obvious if you pay any attention at all to world cultures that North and South America are quite different.

And Chernobl, don't let Uiri dominate your thread. It was your idea after all. Take it back if you want, and if you don't want, then atleast formally say he's the leader. lol.

And we did post pretty close together Stok :D

BTW, The Aletes, I put you in Switzerland. It is over twice the territory you asked for but it was the smallest I could find.

Geneva Convention, y/n, those are the sides.

pwns

I am assuming this is already happening? I thought of the idea, but figured no-one would pay any attention to mine. It would be WW2 MK2! With my nation being run by nationalists, and the a leader called Spitler!

Could you give me a quick basis? There is too much to skim and scan even.

Basically Geneva Convention followers vs. disobeyers.

Oh, well, eh, I don't really care. I probably wouldn't be that active anyhow, I'm notorious for that. Besides, I have an alliance to run, and I'm busy, so later.
Not quite yet, but Uiri hijacked it and now seems to be trying to get this started as soon as the human mind can calculate the neutral tree.


Which means one day.
The alliance barely does anything. That was the whole point of me pointing this thread out, so that we'd have something to do.
Grr on you, I was trying to throw a successful tantrum there......

Take the banter outside this thread.

Yay, there's my claim. Could I have a colony in Australia?

hmmm...only if no one else wants Australia. Like if it is the main part of their territory, mm k?

Plates mean shit? Then your argument of one "America" is also bullshit. Europe and Asia are divided culturally. North and South America are divided both culturally and tectonically. Are you to say that they are one? You can ask any geologist/geographer. They will tell you that North and South America are DIFFERENT.

Besides, when did you step in as overlord of this thread? It was Chernobl's idea, not yours.

OK, like I said before your post before this, it is established by conventions. Yes, plates do mean shit because of Eurasia and North America and South America. It supports your reasoning so you use it as an arguement when the continents were designated as such by Europeans most likely before the tectonic plate theory was even developed.

Mexico is part of your 'Noth America' It is not a cultural divide.

As for me being overlord, I am managing the map. The Casus Belli was my idea.

Okay, sorry for taking some of your land. Could I add on Cote d'ivore, Burkina Faso, Mali, Niger, Chad, Central African Rep., Cameroon, and Eq. Guinea?

...OK. Are you against the Geneva Convention?

This is Chernobl's thread, they should decide who gets what.

Who is doing the map?

Uiri just give me Germany. Thats very important to me. It where my capital is. That is all I ask.

Yeah, I forgot you claimed Bavaria which for some reason I thought was the eastern part of Austria. Don't ask me why.

Uiri, there have been multiple 'conventions' as you call them, so which one is right? Some say there are 7 continents, some say there are 6 with North and South America combined and others say that there are 6 with Asia and Europe combined. And incase you haven't noticed, there is a MASSIVE difference between, well, the US and pretty much anywhere else. We're actually closest to some European cultures in some ways and closest to Mexican, and other cultures in different ways. There's a reason America is called a 'melting pot'. But it is quite obvious if you pay any attention at all to world cultures that North and South America are quite different.

And Chernobl, don't let Uiri dominate your thread. It was your idea after all. Take it back if you want, and if you don't want, then atleast formally say he's the leader. lol.

And we did post pretty close together Stok :D

OK

Even if you divide it into North and South the division is in Panama, no? That is just an arbitrated line. America is the melting pot. You make everyone assimilate. I've been taught that Canada not making people assimilate is one of the greatest things about said country.

His idea was the world war 3 thing. I have basically come up with everything else. >.<. Well not everything. Just the Casus Belli and Map.

No, not really. Why? I mean, if you wanted me to be during the WW3 thing then sure I could be.

Uiri, Im looking to you to get this thread up. Just hold off until sunday ok?

We have to fill the map before we start.

Uiri, your argument is getting weaker. You're right, the divide is at the Panama Canal area. But if i'm not mistaken, there was a north and south america before there was a canal. And if you want to talk about arbitrated lines, what line seperates Europe and Asia, eh? There isn't one.

And america dosn't "make" people assimilate. That just happens naturally or if it dosn't, well that's their choice. Besides, there isn't really a way to force people to assimilate. Back when the US was still being formed, we did something to the Native Americans that basically forced them to assimilate, but that was for the betterment of both peoples. Granted, some people didn't see it that way but we couldn't just go on with constant fights breaking out along our frontier. Atleast we did leave some areas untouched or mostly so anyways.

Ural mountains.

Well, you don't make people assimilate but you sure as hell don't except them if they don't.

u mean 'accept'? And that's not true. Actually live in the US for a while and see how that idea changes. We do what we can to accept them. In fact, down in the southern US many of our signs in stores and ads and such are in two languages: English and Spanish. That way those who don't feel like learning english have an easier time.

And i probably shoulda looked up the divide between Europe and Asia first. I thought I remember reading that there wasn't one. Even so, 'the borders for Europe – a concept dating back to classical antiquity – are somewhat arbitrary, as the term continent can refer to a cultural and political distinction or a physiographic one'~http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Europe

Are we still arguing about continents? Seriously, who gives a shit? It isn't even about continents anymore, it's about how much Uiri has a bug up his ass about America. And neither of those has anything to do with getting this thread up and running.

And honestly, I'm not happy with how this has turned into a giant territory-grabbing Risk game. I know some people choose real world territories for their nations, and that's fine for them, but those of us who don't suddenly have a big continuity problem on our hands. I'm seeing people arbitrarily choosing territory that likely has nothing to do with their actual NS country borders. Are we now changing the RP into a game of Risk, or are we going to actually use our countries the way we conceived them, including those of us who don't use RL geography?

Mt Id - .....yes, I meant accept. Goddamn phonetics. Now, as for languages in two languages; I believe what you are saying but that is not accepting the immigrants. That is actually BAD for the immigrants because they need to learn english if they ever want a decent paying job.

As for the divide of Europe vs. Asia, the Middle East is the gray area because the Urals only go so far. The divide is cultural, mostly, as I've stated before.

The Aletes - You are correct. Chernobl turned this into a map using the RL world in two ways:

Saying his claims were in Europe
Asking for my list of colonies which happen to be in RL world places and then mistaking that for a claim.

I wanted to have us cut out the shapes of our nations and glue them into a map to put us next to eachother for the purpose of this war. Alas, it is not to be so. Would you rather an island in an ocean?

Well, I think it we can make it so, since Chernobl has pretty much waived all control over this thread. Let's try to work out a compromise. For example: those of us who actually do use RL geography to define your nations (to distinguish from those of you who started randomly territory-grabbing), tell us where your territories are. Everyone else, provide a map of your nation shape and we can fit them together next to the rest. If anyone doesn't like it or has a different idea, for God's sake argue with me.

Aletes, chill. We're just talking while we wait for the thread to start. And I don't think the RL map was set in stone yet. That's up to Chernobal.

And Uiri, so you're now saying that we should ostracize the immigrants until they learn english? How is that accepting the immigrants? We do what we can to help those that come into our coutry, but there is only so much we can do unless they put their own minds to it.

If this gets going, I'll take South Africa, and Lisotho, since that's where my nation is. Wait, is this gonna use real nations, or our own?

Could I please Grab Australian, NZ and possibly PNG if nobody else has claimed?

Do we use NS populations and technology in this?

If anybody ever even looked in my factbook, you will see that my nation is indeed based off of Russia+China+surrounding stuff.

I believe that we are going to use our NS stuff.

bumpone

OK. I think that we could reach a compromise.

The Aletes - how about those nations which do not usually use RL geography, speak up. We place their countries as islands in any place where there is room. Of course, I don't mind the way its going down now, we could always give the top half of Switzerland to whoever gets France or something.

Lapse - sure thing. Yes, we are using NS pop and MT, if I am not mistaken.

Daiwiz - you sure you don't want more?

Mt. Id - there is a difference between accepting a culture and letting them invade your country. A difference we here up North have yet to learn, but there is a difference. By letting these people speak spanish they have no hope of getting a better job than those which are low profile. I didn't say to ostracize them, but atleast be sure they are bilingual or else you are only hurting them.

Stok - correct.

Chernobl - I was going to reply to this thread eventually. No need for a bump.

I know. Just trying to fill the map.

Why are you guys having this childish argument?

Because Mt. Id won't drop the fact I have heavy Anti-American sediment.

Id like to join with France for my territory.

Wow Uiri you need to accept that your country is our 51st state. :p

joking joking,

Bumptwo

Uh...Uiri, I've let go of the fact that you're an anti-american in every sense of the word. We had moved on to different topics. Don't even try to be stupid enough to blame this on me. Besides, we're just having an intelligent conversation. Not a 'childish argument'. But seeing as how people are getting their panties in a twist about it, i'll stop arguing. Not worth getting in trouble. lol.

Okay, so we aren't using RL locations, the here is map:

Map (http://i250.photobucket.com/albums/gg246/Uno__1/BaseMap-1.png)

Chernobl - Don't joke about that. It is very offensive and the whitehouse would turn charcoal like 200 years ago.

Mt. Id - Blaming..on you? I have been trying to drop it if you didn't notice. Otherwise I agree wholeheartedly.

The Beatus - no, we're back to RL locations.

Everyone else - New map tomorrow.

Uiri, a joke is a joke. Leave him be. Although I can see where you're coming from, since I would be offended if somebody called China a British colony, it's not that big a deal.

Eh, when you live as close to the border as I do, it is a big deal. It is basically saying, "Dude, you are going to be invaded. Face it."

You know that's not possible. Get over it. You're old enough to understand.

Uiri are you gonna update the map? Sorry about calling your country our 51st state. :( But it is just as offensive when you bash my country too.

Stok - Yes it is. Fine. How would you know?

Honestly, we are border huggers. The US doesn't have to do much to annex us.

Chernobl - I forgive you. You obviously did not know how serious it sounds. Its more serious than the other way around because quite frankly our armed forces are nothing.

As for the map, I'm tired tonight, I'll have an update up tomorrow afternoon.

You may not be our 51st state but were are sister nations. You gotta admit that.

So Uiri since im offically giving co-leadership of this thread, il let you start the IC. If you want. also anywhere not claimed by know will be controlled by its RL government. So Chile is Chile, etc.

Stok - Yes it is. Fine. How would you know?

Honestly, we are border huggers. The US doesn't have to do much to annex us.

Chernobl - I forgive you. You obviously did not know how serious it sounds. Its more serious than the other way around because quite frankly our armed forces are nothing.

As for the map, I'm tired tonight, I'll have an update up tomorrow afternoon.

Actually your army may be small but it seems to be pretty well trained and equipped.

Uiri-Incase you've forgotten, I tried to drop it before you.

ah, but Stok continued on. If you had kept it dropped - ah whatever I want to stop bickering about who continued it.

Chernobl - yeah, ok, I shall admit that. Actually, let's make NPC empries. Just so that they aren't at a disadvantage.

Yeah, its small because we don't like dying. And well trained for the same reason.

Well, I'm out...

A RP that turns into an argument before it has even started has no chance.

...The arguement was on un-related stuffs. And I WILL have the map up tonight.

seriously Lapse, the argument had nothing to do with the RP. I mean, we were talking about American Arrogance vs. American Bashing. Or something to that effect. lol. Nothing to do with the WW3 idea.

Is this ever gonna start? Uiri im looking to you to start the thread.

I'm sorry.

I joined another RP and this got put off to the side. I don't even know if people still want to do this or not and with the map literally half empty I don't think it'll take off. I'm sorry, I quit.

...wow. That's annoying

FUDGE BALLS!!!!!!!!! wow.

I'll upload the map. And again, I apologize.

New Map (http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k155/Uiri/Uiri/Maps/WW3_Map-1.png)

Have fun.

Anyone still onboard? I'll start the thread.

I'm still game. Dunno bout the others though. And what about all the land Uiri had?

WW3 will truly not work unless it is agreed upon that only conventional warfare may be used, and that would not really be a total World War in the sense of the word. Nowadays, a world war would be waged with death, extinction, and radiation. Not something pretty.Also when you consider a good deal of NS nations have nuclear bombs that have explosions in the gigatons.

True. Which is why there should be some sort of unbreakable law that no nukes allowed. lol. Something like if u nuke us, we'll nuke u back and destroy the whole world together :D.

True. Which is why there should be some sort of unbreakable law that no nukes allowed. lol. Something like if u nuke us, we'll nuke u back and destroy the whole world together :D.

You mean "Mutually Assured Destruction?" Here, I'll make it perfectly clear. The Beatus has a doomsday device. Should any nuclear explosions be detected within our borders, it shall trigger an automatic, and irreversible device, which will flood the atmosphere with a specific radioactive isotope, that will render the surface of the world unlivable for 99 years, so unless we want to turn this into hiding in converted coal mines, with 10 women to every man, let's just drop the nukes. Thank you and have a nice day.

Strange kinds of love around here...I'll probably learn to stop worrying and love the bomb eventually.

No nukes. Also that whole doomsday thing that Beatus hase is such a load of unrealistic BS. No offense lol.

No nukes. Also that whole doomsday thing that Beatus hase is such a load of unrealistic BS. No offense lol.

Stoklomolvi understood what I was getting at, and I completely agree with him, let's all just stop worrying and love the bomb!

I f you guys want you can RP here: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=566538

Has that map been updated? If it hasn't, I'll take Mexico.

Ok. If everyone is still in i'll update it.

Yahhh.

ok,

do i still get mexico?

http://i440.photobucket.com/albums/qq129/chernobl/WW3_Map-1-1-1-1-1.png

New map with NPC nations.
Key:
Blue:Chernobl (Democracy)
Neon Green:Stoklomolvi (Communist)
Gray:United Mexilando States (Democracy)
Gold:Kazaki (dictatorship)
Orange: Colonial Confedracy (Republic)
Red:United States (Democracy)
Navy Blue: Latin-Caribean states (Communist)
Teal: Argentinean Empire (Dictatorship)
Maroon: French Empire (Monarchy)
Greenish-Blue: North African Alliance (Islamic Law)
Bright yellow: Mali Imperium (Dictatorship)
Brown: Bantu Kingdom (Democracy)
Pink: Colonia (Communist)
Light Teal: South Africa (Dictatorship)
Dark Green: Mt Id (Constitutional Monarchy)
Purple: The Democratic Empire of Nerka (Republic)
Peach: India (Democracy)
Mustard: Fanrai (Unknown)
Puke green: Australia (Democracy)

If anyone has ideas for changes, let me know.

You got Mexico.

But you, seeing as you have six billion people, cannot use all your people. Your max to RP is 1 billion, butthe Geography you claimed could NEVER support that much so I would stick to the max of 300 mil, that area. Yes Stok you can use your two mil since you control so much. I'm using my one mil becuase i also have a big nation.

You got Mexico.

Thanks. Mark me up as democracy.

You understand that you cant use all six bllion of your people right?

yeah. i'll do fine with 300 mil. just ally me with the US since I'm always used to that US-Mexico alliance idea.

kk. I'm a firm US ally as well.

thanks

Please, please, please just spell my name right in the official map post. I wouldn't care much otherwise.

How many people are even in this thing any more?

I may just make all the unclaimed nations the RL nation. For example, Canada is canada etc. What do you guys think?

Only us three. Thats why I added the NPCs. I personally enjoy battling NPCs and Player nations.

They're going to get steamrolled so quickly that it won't even be funny. Why would I care about the welfare of Kazakhstan? Or North Korea? Or South Korea?

as more join, the areas they claim will be changed to them and the NPCs eliminated. if we are lucky we wont have NPCS.

just suggestion.

USA, France and the Brits and Canadians are stayin.

What's stopping me from invading Alaska or the Canadians?

ooc Is it to late for me to join?

No way, what territory do you want?

I would like to join as The Democratic Empire of Nerka, I would like to have Egypt, Libya, Japan, and Korea. (Sorry if that is too much.) Oh and the name is confusing, but I'm a republic.

Population?

Well, how much out of 1 billion can I support?

Does anyone have China ?

ooc I can,t see the picture or the internet will shut off

i'm going to enter as the United Mexilando States instead of Gibberish America

I'd say like, 271,000,000. i just added all of their populations and rounded.

yes, stok has china.

hey, thought I had the US. lol

Well, seeing as playin with the REAL US is fun, can you take somewhere else? *Beggs*

sadface...lol. I really wanted US...lol. Uh..Britain still available?

Iguess you can snag em'.

all right, that works too. Is this gonna be based on RL tech or NS tech?

I'd say like, 271,000,000. i just added all of their populations and rounded.

That works fine with me. However, if you're doing that, you shouldn't be saying "supported", that will likely lead to an argument from someone, since some countries, like Japan, can "support" 2x as many people then those who live there. (Mainly because of their super-high rice yields.)

You can use Mt NS stuff just don't go overboard. For example, a realistic NS tank is acceptable. A Metal gear walker is not.

They can suck it. Never argue with the creator.:D *Flexes*

Oh, one more thing, I'm a Republic, not a Democracy, that means the people elect people who elect people that go elect people to go elect the president.

all right, NS tech with RL placement...interesting. Oh, and what is my population supposed to be?

This shall be fun. Any idea when we start? (That's not a hint question, I just need to know so I can clear time.)

I gues I will take canada.

about 66,956,000. UK and Ireland combined.

but according to ur little map thing, i got india and australia. lol

No. Look again. India is peach and Australia was never the same to start with. Just edited it.

then is australia its own country or something? I don't see it listed. And now I have even less land mass to work with...plus I gotta ship all my freaking troops. lol. dang.

Ok, here's a big question. Will we RP on this thread, or make a separate one?

more than likely a separate one

seperate

Aight. Also, is a vehicle that drills and fires from underground realistic in your eyes?

No. Nothing more that what the most modern militaries of today have. Good idea though.

Yeah, it's a weapon I've been using in MT for awhile, so I didn't know.

Yeah. The most futuristic you can go is things like the future force warrior and stuff. This is gonna take place in 09' with McCain as the US president. *CHEERS*