NationStates Jolt Archive

OOC-i was watching the Patriot the other day and it gave me an idea,
what if Nationsates was set 150 years in the past? what would it be like?
what would be the outcomes?

in NS 1850, you can play as your nation. the story begins with the begining the colonial wars and the Cazelian reveloution.

you have the power to change history.

it's all up to you. change the world.

Yes I've been waiting forever for someone to do this era. When my country was young

sure I'd like to play

Ummm... wasn't The Patriot set in the late 18th century and not the mid-19th century.

We need a map...
And im in if this works.

yea, I'd be willing to do this (of course, Nueve Italia was actually a colony itself for the most part of its history, so should be interesting ...)

And yes, The Patriot = American Revolution = 18th century (1700s)

and it's an awesome movie.

Romandeos was around in the period when the movie takes place, but I'm still working out exact details of past history on a timeline.

I might be interested in this, though, depending on how it takes shape.

~ Romandeos.

I just remembered
I have a map of my nation. All we have to do is make each person have a map and meld them into a nice big one. It will be fun, my nationwas undergoing a Democratic upring from 1826-1837 so that can be in this to YAY.

Yes I've been waiting forever for someone to do this era. When my country was young

yeah me too, and since nobody did, i decided to. and also, my country was about 100 years old in this time period.

Ummm... wasn't The Patriot set in the late 18th century and not the mid-19th century.

you are correct. it just gave me an idea

oh, and by the way, it would be great if i got some info on what your troops look like

By the by, while I'm here I'd like to ask a question. What exactly is the scenario here, or has that not yet been decided? Will this be Cazelia revolting against George III's British Empire, or something having nothing to do with England at all?

If I read correctly, this is the NS world, not the Real world, so there is no George III or America or England for that matter.

Also, what our troops look like ..?

Well, ok then.
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Nitalian Cavalry

http://www.balagan.org.uk/war/iberia/1833/images/NYPL%20Cristino%20Cavalry%201835%20Light%20(Lancer).jpg
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Nitalian Infantry
http://www.greatwardifferent.com/Great_War/Italian_Soldier/Uniforms_Italy.jpg

Nitalian Artillery

http://www.keithrocco.com/hmta/images/lg_royal_cords.jpg
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Nitalian Infantry Flags

http://www.callnetuk.com/home/alanpendlebury/flags/italy13.gif

Nice pics, NI.

~ Romandeos.

I'd like to play.

I'd be interested.

I'm interested in this,if we can get a good map setup I'll join.

So am i :D

okay, i'll start working on a map.
oh, and here are my troops
Cazelian militia
http://www.nationalcivilwarmuseum.org/images/6th_Louisiana.jpg
Cazelian scout
http://www.collectionscanada.ca/obj/h3/f1/nlc003598-v5.jpg
Cazelian riflemen
http://www.modelcentrum.pl/photo/IT%206851S.jpg
Cazelian grenadiers
http://www.4thmichigan.com/images/4th_Michigan_Infantry_1861.gif
Artillery crew
http://www.virginia.org/uploaded_images/41649.jpg
Artillery
http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/FWWgatling.jpg
http://www.kidport.com/RefLib/UsaHistory/CivilWar/Images/Cannon.jpg
http://top2bottom.net/watermarked/Civil%20War%20Reenactment-Cannon%20Union-web.jpg

First off, thanks to Romandeos for the compliment about my pictures.

Secondly, so all we are waiting on is a map and then we're a go?

we can just use a world map. there will be states provinces ect.

This looks fun, count me in. How will we divide how many provinces we need, though.,

I'm hunting up military pictures, but don't wait to start on my account. If necessary, will highly detailed written information suffice?

~ Romandeos.

I'm hunting up military pictures, but don't wait to start on my account. If necessary, will highly detailed written information suffice?

~ Romandeos.

yes it is suffice

yes it is suffice

Excellent. I'll still try and locate good pictures first, but that helps.

~ Romandeos.

how will we decide who gets how many territories?

how will we decide who gets how many territories?

everybody starts with 5 territories
i call California, British columbia and oregon!

then you've got Washington splitting your land...

we need a map first before claims. Ill try and find one. Give me a few minutes.

ok i found one.

Is this (http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=63cq7hy) ok?

Yeah I think we should go with that one instead of a world map,since a world map would be much too large.

If we're just doing one contient, I vote we do Europe.

If we're just doing one contient, I vote we do Europe.

were doing the whole world. i'll try and find a map of europe

I agree, we can use countries and limit it too three.

hows this
http://www.europeetravel.com/images/maps/europe-political-large.gif

were doing the whole world. i'll try and find a map of europe

Ok
Can we claim countries yet?

Ok
Can we claim countries yet?

start stakin your claim! YEHAW!

So 5 countries?

1.Germany
2.Netherlands
3. Denmark
4. Austria
5. Poland

I thought three countries ... ?

Anyhow, my three territories (if applicable):

-Southerrn Italy (anything below Rome, including Sicily but not Sardinia)

-Albania

-and Malta

Is this alright?

If its 3 ill take my first 3 picks.

If its three-

1. Uk
2. France
3. Spain

If its 5

4. Portugal
5. Belgium

I dont think we should have it as 3 countries,but instead we should have territories,because if a player chose USA,Canada,and Greenland,then they would own a very large chunk of the map,which would not be fair to the players who chose small countries.

Yup, that's why I only chose territories and very small countries, since Nueve Italia at this time was actually a colony.

I dont think we should have it as 3 countries,but instead we should have territories,because if a player chose USA,Canada,and Greenland,then they would own a very large chunk of the map,which would not be fair to the players who chose small countries.

there basically the same size
Texas=small african nation

is Canada and USA being split into provinces and states then?

We should keep it on 1 continent, or the means of travel and communication would be too large, right? If it came to a choice, I would say just North America.

Shakal's idea is good too (and AoE III is an awesome game as well, but I prefer Empire Earth II)

is Canada and USA being split into provinces and states then?

Maybe Russia and China also. Just areas. Like Have european russia spli into 4 parts. But countries liek the ones I have shouldnt be split considering there so small.

I think we should handle this like AoE 3. Where these places are only colonies and our main nations are far away. That way no giant armies and that can get used. Itll be more like smaller 1-3000 man engagements, fighting with natives, and all that fun stuff.

yeah,I agree with this Idea.

Oh don't tell me this has become yet another Alternate EARTH Thread

Oh don't tell me this has become yet another Alternate EARTH Thread

didn't it start off as one......

didn't it start off as one......

My impression is it was NS Nations. But if were just using RL refrences I guess that is all right. If no one has laid claim to Greece and Italy if I can have both I would like them

Oh don't tell me this has become yet another Alternate EARTH Thread

we just use a map of earth. Thats where the similarities end.

Before we start laying claims on locations, Cazelia, you might want to make it bluntly plain exactly what places may be claimed, and what places may not.

I do not suggest keeping everything on one continent. Global politics would be more interesting and more realistic. Revolutions often draw attention from around the world.

~ Romandeos.

Before we start laying claims on locations, Cazelia, you might want to make it bluntly plain exactly what places are going to be allowed.

~ Romandeos.

basically everywhere. probably other than extreme places on earth, such as the high north, antarctica. i need some more extremes

Right, then. I'll wait a bit until all the obvious places have been claimed, and lay my own claims at that time.

~ Romandeos.

Perhaps one nation in Europe and then colonies?

I'd like to claim:

1. Western RUssia
2. Ukraine
3. Poland
4. Belorussia
5. The Baltic States

1. Greece
2. Crete
3. Rhodes

if 5

4. Bulgaria
5. F.Y.R.O.M

Uh?

1. Great Britian
2. India
3. Canada

I alreqady have Poland if its five. Sorry.

Can I join this thread?

Alversia would only be 90 years old at this stage.

If the answer is yes can I claim:

1. Bulgaria
2. Romania

Can I join this thread?

Alversia would only be 90 years old at this stage.

If the answer is yes can I claim:

1. Bulgaria
2. Romania

sure, you can join

sure, you can join

Thanks! Will I post a picture of the Alversian Army?

:D thanks for joining

These are standard Alversian Infantry:
http://img161.imageshack.us/img161/1939/009de4.jpg

Alversian Cavalry:
http://www.thediehards.co.uk/images/boer7.jpg
Alversian Officers:
http://www.austro-hungarian-army.co.uk/mexican/mexfrenchpic2.jpg
Alversian Cannon:
http://www.warmuseum.ca/cwm/boer/images/boer-war-cannon2.jpg

If it is 5, then I'll add

4. Netherlands
5. Belgium.

If it's five then could I have:

1. The Crimea
2. Hungary

Apologies, Northern France then.

If it is 5, then I'll add

4. Netherlands
5. Belgium.

I claimed Netherlans way back already.
Ill repost for clarification.

1.Germany
2.Netherlands
3.Denmark
4.Austria
5.Poland

My NormalInfantry (http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/roadshow/tips/images/helmets/2_lg.jpg)

Cavalry (http://www.activated-storytellers.com/travel/travel_photos/CivilWarRe-enactment/horse.jpg)

Apologies, Northern France then.

stupid time warp...

And No Problem. I would care except that I hate those annoying countries that jut off mine and are NPC.

I alreqady have Poland if its five. Sorry.


1. Western RUssia
2. Ukraine
3. Finland
4. Belorussia
5. The Baltic States

If it's five then could I have:

1. The Crimea
2. Hungary

Apologies for double post, but I already own the Crimea, as it is part of Ukraine.


Kilanian artillery battery in action (http://www.britishbattles.com/crimean-war/alma/russian-artillery.jpg)

Kilanian Infantry (http://strategicsimulations.net/catalog/images/SSST0039.jpg)

Kilanian Cavalry (http://www.britishbattles.com/crimean-war/alma/russian-cavalry.jpg)

The Baltic States are 3 countries. Kalingrad should probably go with the German claim.

We should definately have some organization about who has claimed what, so say in the first thread?

Just for re-clarification, I've already stated that I would like Southern Italy, Albania, and Malta, so if anyone else wants Italy, Sardinia and anything above Rome is still available.

We should definately have some organization about who has claimed what, so say in the first thread?

Just for re-clarification, I've already stated that I would like Southern Italy, Albania, and Malta, so if anyone else wants Italy, Sardinia and anything above Rome is still available.

I do agree that we need something to sho who has already claimed what. The first post would be a good place.

Romandeos in the MT setting is on a large subcontinental island that does not exist IRL, so, barring any objections, for this RP I will claim the Barbary Coast States. In case you're wondering, that's Morocco, Algeria, Lybia and Tunisia.

However, I am not just claiming the coastal regions of those nations, but the whole nations as they have been established in the modern age. Nueve Italia can fight me about sea control.

~ Romandeos.

[QUOTE=Kilani;12787852]Apologies for double post, but I already own the Crimea, as it is part of Ukraine.

Fine, I'll take Moldava and European Turkey

Actually, instead of my previously mentioned countries can I claim:

Northern Italy, Switzerland, Slovenia, Croatia and Austria instead?

Well, this is intresting. I always wanted to start a 19th century/Napoleonic Era NS RP, but just didn't know where to start.

Seeing as how now I can get back to NS since my exams should free me up in a week.

If I can join, can I claim:

1. Maritimes (That should be New Brunswick, Nova Scotia, and Prince Edward Island).
2. Quebec
3. State of Maine

If it is five, then I would also like to claim:

4. Newfoundland
5. Labadour

Soldier and Officer 1 (http://www.cmhg.gc.ca/cmh/book_images/high/v2_c7_s08_ss00_03.jpg)
Officer (http://www.cmhg.gc.ca/cmh/book_images/med/v2_c4_s12_ss01_01.jpg)
Officer and Gunner (http://www.cmhg.gc.ca/cmh/book_images/high/v2_c5_s05_ss02_01.jpg)
Calvary (http://www.cmhg.gc.ca/cmh/book_images/high/v2_c5_s10_ss02_01.jpg)
Soldier and Officer 2 (http://www.cmhg.gc.ca/cmh/book_images/high/v2_c5_s22_ss01_01.jpg)
Hussars (http://www.cmhg.gc.ca/cmh/book_images/high/v3_c1_s05_ss03_01.jpg)
Artiller Officer and Gunner (http://www.cmhg.gc.ca/cmh/book_images/high/v3_c1_s02_ss01_01.jpg)
Soldiers in Action (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6/68/Battle_of_Saint-Denis.jpg)

I do agree that we need something to sho who has already claimed what. The first post would be a good place.

Romandeos in the MT setting is on a large subcontinental island that does not exist IRL, so, barring any objections, for this RP I will claim the Barbary Coast States. In case you're wondering, that's Morocco, Algeria, Lybia and Tunisia.

However, I am not just claiming the coastal regions of those nations, but the whole nations as they have been established in the modern age. Nueve Italia can fight me about sea control.

~ Romandeos.

Yea, NS Nueve Italia also does not exist IRL: it's a rather large island with a pretty varied terrain.

Also, it looks like the Mediterranean is already turning into a complete hotzone ...

btw, I'm also declaring Malta as a colony of my main nation.

Yea, NS Nueve Italia also does not exist IRL: it's a rather large island with a pretty varied terrain.

Also, it looks like the Mediterranean is already turning into a complete hotzone ...

btw, I'm also declaring Malta as a colony of my main nation.

It looks that way indeed. Let's all keep in mind, though, that Cazelia's revolt is the primary focus here, though he mentioned colonial wars in the introductory post, which should be fun.

~ Romandeos.

Actually, instead of my previously mentioned countries can I claim:

Northern Italy, Switzerland, Slovenia, Croatia and Austria instead?

I have Austria Sorry.

Looks like the countries you chose are very desireable, Shakal.

Looks like the countries you chose are very desireable, Shakal.

I know. I never thought people would want them. I mean POLAND for christs sake. POLAND! :D

The Baltic States are 3 countries. Kalingrad should probably go with the German claim.

Well, if you want to get technical...:p

I'll just take Estonia, then.

I know. I never thought people would want them. I mean POLAND for christs sake. POLAND! :D

All shall fall before the might of the Empire of Kilani! All hail the Tsar!

I'll claim Bosnia and Herzogovinia then!

Actually this is more colonial. No empires are really here yet,

Nuts.

All shall fall before the might of the Empire of Kilani! All hail the Tsar!

Actually this is more colonial. No empires are really here yet,

Actually this is more colonial. No empires are really here yet,

When are we gonna start claiming empires?

I'm so lonely in North America. You people know it's not only in Europe right?

Heh. I dont know. I revised my claim so that France and Spain would be open. I had GB, Canada, India, Belgium, and N. France.

Can I claim, Hong Kong, Indonesia, Mozambique, Columbia, Tunisia, Gabon and Congo for the Alversian Empire?

Heh. I dont know. I revised my claim so that France and Spain would be open. I had GB, Canada, India, Belgium, and N. France.

Oh darn, I just realised my claim interferes with yours (the Canada one, cause I claimed some of the Maritimes and Quebec)

Can I claim Greece and Turkey?

I can revise my claim.

1. GB
2. India
3. France
4. Belgium
5. Australia

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With the quality of the land I am claiming it is only fair that I open up Canada to you.

May I submit my old 1898 WWE Nation (Which heavily used PNG as a background, if you don't mind) With modifications, of course... Such as replacing my Snider-Enfields with 1853 Enfield rifle-muskets...

(Looks for BEIC)

Consider it a successful rebellion from British rule in some remote British East India Trade Corporation protectate.

If I can lay stake to:

Japan
Korea
California (I guess we can claim indvidual states)
Washington State
Illinois

Greece I think has been bidded on by Aqua Anu. So has Italy.

My impression is it was NS Nations. But if were just using RL refrences I guess that is all right. If no one has laid claim to Greece and Italy if I can have both I would like them

Yeah I still would like to have Greeced and Italy. Even if i have to split it.

I would like to lay claim to:

Portugal (If available)
Hawii
Texas
Florida

Italy's taken

All of it? I thought some of it was still open.

I've taken Northern Italy, Switzerland, Slovenia, Croatia, Bosnia-Herzegovia. Romania and Bulgaria are open instead

My country would suffer in cold climates. Any good island southern islands open?

I think Spain is open. Or Portugal, or Andorra?

North Africa is a possibility

Cazelia has to start recording claims... Or someone has to. I just dont have time or I would, but ill be gone on friday for a few weeks, ill be on, but not as often.

We are going to need a map for this or else it will turn into chaos,so if anyone out there is willing to give me a list of claimed territories I would gladly make a map for the RP.

My claims:
(I combined smaller nations together,and also divided up larger ones.)
and I think it would be better if everyone marked on a map from now on which area they wanted.

http://img296.imageshack.us/my.php?image=21997pv9.png

I know!
A map or something to show everybody's territory would be nice!

My claims:
Northern Italy
Switzerland
Slovenia
Croatia
Bosnia-Herzgovina
Hong Kong
Indonesia
Mozambique
Peru
Tunisia
Gabon
Congo

I know it's alot of countries but most of them are tiny!

My claims:
Northern Italy
Switzerland
Slovenia
Croatia
Bosnia-Herzgovina
Hong Kong
Indonesia
Mozambique
Peru
Tunisia
Gabon
Congo

I know it's alot of countries but most of them are tiny!

Pick 5 Favorites, thats the number.

And a heads up. Since you joined Germany and Austria i took Luxemburg instead. And Nice job on the map.
Map With My Claims (http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=5y8wcyd)

Fine
Five Favourites are:
Northern Italy
Switzerland
Slovenia
Croatia
Bosnia-Herzgovina

We gonna split the rest of the map up afterwards or what?

Map with my claims:
http://tinypic.com/fullsize.php?pic=4vg5rp1

Fine
Five Favourites are:
Northern Italy
Switzerland
Slovenia
Croatia
Bosnia-Herzgovina

We gonna split the rest of the map up afterwards or what?

no. Everyone takes there claims and due to the timeframe the rest is full of "Natives" and these are like colonies, not our actual countries themselves, i dont think so anyways...

WHOEVER I FORGOT PLZ POST CLAIMS because I know I forgot some.

Updated Map (http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=6feq179)

Dark Green-Shakal
Yellow-Alversia
Purple-Canland
Teal-Kanami
Brown-Carloginias

no. Everyone takes there claims and due to the timeframe the rest is full of "Natives" and these are like colonies, not our actual countries themselves, i dont think so anyways...

WHOEVER I FORGOT PLZ POST CLAIMS because I know I forgot some.

Updated Map (http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=6feq179)

Dark Green-Shakal
Yellow-Alversia
Purple-Canland
Teal-Kanami
Brown-Carloginias

You forgot my claims.

Well, this is intresting. I always wanted to start a 19th century/Napoleonic Era NS RP, but just didn't know where to start.

Seeing as how now I can get back to NS since my exams should free me up in a week.

If I can join, can I claim:

1. Maritimes (That should be New Brunswick, Nova Scotia, and Prince Edward Island).
2. Province of Quebec
3. State of Maine

If it is five, then I would also like to claim:

4. Newfoundland
5. Labadour

Soldier and Officer 1 (http://www.cmhg.gc.ca/cmh/book_images/high/v2_c7_s08_ss00_03.jpg)
Officer (http://www.cmhg.gc.ca/cmh/book_images/med/v2_c4_s12_ss01_01.jpg)
Officer and Gunner (http://www.cmhg.gc.ca/cmh/book_images/high/v2_c5_s05_ss02_01.jpg)
Calvary (http://www.cmhg.gc.ca/cmh/book_images/high/v2_c5_s10_ss02_01.jpg)
Soldier and Officer 2 (http://www.cmhg.gc.ca/cmh/book_images/high/v2_c5_s22_ss01_01.jpg)
Hussars (http://www.cmhg.gc.ca/cmh/book_images/high/v3_c1_s05_ss03_01.jpg)
Artiller Officer and Gunner (http://www.cmhg.gc.ca/cmh/book_images/high/v3_c1_s02_ss01_01.jpg)
Soldiers in Action (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6/68/Battle_of_Saint-Denis.jpg)

This is a North American map including my claim (and Kanami's)

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y156/Cuffion/LEELELEEE.jpg

All right i'm going to risk it:

Portogual
Spain
Greece
Texas
Phillipines

my 5

1 US south
to geatest extent map- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:US_map-South_Historic_1.PNG
2 Mexico
3 Guatemala
4 Belize
5 Cuba

Dark Green-Shakal
Yellow-Alversia
Purple-Canland
Teal-Kanami
Brown-Carloginias
Red-Sendersdale

Updated Map (http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=6ewj7tw)

New Brittonia, to much to claim. Only 5 picks.

I laid my stakes. I took the liberty of adding my self to a map, everything in Orange is mine I left everyone else's claims: http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g310/AShadow17/Nation%20States/claim.jpg

My claims, so you all know, remain Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia, and Lybia.

~ Romandeos.

Updated map. I've added my own claim (dark red) and Romandeos (dark blue).

Map (http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y77/havoc88/claim.jpg)


And shouldn't we draw the line fo realism somewhere? How does Japan own something in the middle of the continental United States?

Updated map. I've added my own claim (dark red) and Romandeos (dark blue).

Map (http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y77/havoc88/claim.jpg)


And shouldn't we draw the line fo realism somewhere? How does Japan own something in the middle of the continental United States?

Maybe ya, but he could explain it. And be like, these natives were more co-operative and easily assimilated to our ulture or something.

Is it still possible to join this? and do we have to RP as our nation? because A) mine has already been claimed, and B) it's really more of a modern nation.

When we start RPing the map, will we be able to colonise areas?

When we start RPing the map, will we be able to colonise areas?

I'm not Cazelia, so I'm not running this RP, but I would think that a colonization mission to an un-claimed portion of the map would not be unacceptable. I could be wrong, though.

Methinks this RP needs more organization.

~ Romandeos.

Here's my claim, if I don't have to RP my NS nation, as then I'd need the Ukraine for that:

Agentina
Paraguay
Bolivia
Peru
Chile

And here's an updated world map, with water to make things clearer, borders within the nations removed, and the five territories of my claim in Dark green
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v516/quantumf8/Worldmap1.jpg

Nueve Italia claimed these way back and I noticed no one's added them to the map:

Southerrn Italy (including Sicily but not Sardinia)
Albania
Malta

Maybe ya, but he could explain it. And be like, these natives were more co-operative and easily assimilated to our ulture or something.

But...it's 2,000 miles frm the coast.

I'll claim the chunks of land that look like Paupa New Guinea and Indonesea.
And maybe Siam.

Weapons Issued:
Brown Bess Musket/P53 Enfield Musket
Cup dischargers, bayonets, and grenades*

Congreve/Hale rocket (for incindiary use)

Mortars, connonades, and howitzers (For anti-personel use with plunging fire and grapeshot)

*Sticks of guncotton with metal rods wraped around them, wraped then in cloth, and dipped in wax. double or tiple "bagged"
TNT and Dynamite will have to wait till they are invented...

The cup discarger would find itself used as a grapeshot-gun. Usually issued to troops with the Brown Bess, with the Enfield issued to marksmen only.

Heh, hopefully we can colonize. I have somem colonies right now.

I'd like to colonise some parts of Africa (Egypt here I come!)

My troops carry breech loading rifles, the Dreyse needle-gun, bayonets

Infantry Guns are 3pounders and Field Guns are 12 pounders. They fire solid shot and grapeshot.

Dragoons use the same Dreyse needle-gun as the infantry but with a shorter barrel.

We'll be fighting over Egypt, lol.

Bring it on!

My Army's superbly equipped and trained and my navy's full of Ironclads.

Bring it on!

My Army's superbly equipped and trained and my navy's full of Ironclads.

Won't everyones? lol

It seems I shall go (almost) unopposed in North America! Yes, time to colonize those oh so treasured Arctic Islands!

Bring it on!

My Army's superbly equipped and trained and my navy's full of Ironclads.

I have a giant population, and have a bunch of recources at my back. Oh and my navy is large too. Lol.

No Chance of partitioning it then?

I prefer West Africa anyways...

We could always spit it, but the part I'm interested in is Eastern Egypt.. Suez essentially.

Me too, there's the problem
I suppose you need it for your other colonies?

Yup.

Hey everyone.

I'm interested in the idea, but I need more info on how it's gonna be worked. Do we use our population or RL population?

And how do claims go? Can I claim anything reasonable?

Yup.

What sort of Seapower do you have in the Med?
Your nearest colony is the UK or India

Corbournne;12793431']Hey everyone.

I'm interested in the idea, but I need more info on how it's gonna be worked. Do we use our population or RL population?

And how do claims go? Can I claim anything reasonable?

Just making sure this didn't get lost as the last post on the last page.

You can claim any 5 territories on the map:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v516/quantumf8/Worldmap1.jpg

I'm not so sure about population though

What sort of Seapower do you have in the Med?
Your nearest colony is the UK or India

My capital is in London lol. I haven't decided. Med is gonna be sorta large. The largest fleet will be in the Indian ocean.

My capital is in London lol. I haven't decided. Med is gonna be sorta large. The largest fleet will be in the Indian ocean.

What bases will you Med Fleet use?

Marsallie, and probably Malta when I besiege it. I plan on doing an African Conference about all of Europe's major powers.

My claims.

Conference?

What types of Ironclad does your Med Fleet have?

And any possibility of an Alliance?

There's Egypt gone anyway...

Yup. And it is difficult for me to research British Ironclads. Got any websites I could check out?

Edit: Looks like I'll ally Cour. Nice to have you here Cour.

Sure.

heh.. my map is being used =P, anyways, I'll put in an updated map, and I'm interested in being a colonial break-off of you brown, interested?

Edit: or any of the european powers for that matter.

You don't want an Alliance then?

This is a website of British Ironclads
http://web.ukonline.co.uk/aj.cashmore/britain/british-ironclads.html

Yup. And it is difficult for me to research British Ironclads. Got any websites I could check out?

Edit: Looks like I'll ally Cour. Nice to have you here Cour.

Thanks.

And an alliance sounds good to me.

Sure Alv, I do.

Sure Alv, I do.

Great!

You used the Website I posted yet?

I think those Ironclads are too modern for this RP though...

here's an updated map

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v516/quantumf8/Worldmap1-1.jpg

still plenty of interesting five territory combos, that last one in central europe, south africa, west africa, along the ivory coast, east africa- eritrea, somalia, kenya, sudan etc

Perhaps we could combine some of the US territories to put them on par with some of the other nations?

I have a browser up. Probably the Warrior Class as it seems the least modern. If these ships are in the time limit then a combination of all 3.

I agree with the US thing.

We need to put this together like Rules, etc. Maybe make a new thread or update the one on the front page.

I agree with the rules and the US thing although we should leave some territory empty to allow nations to build empires and the like.

I've been doing some research and it seems that the Warrior class is too modern if we're staying strictly to the 1850's. The best you can get is a Steam powered Wooden Ship

Also, anyone want to take me up on the colony offer?

Sorry mate, Don't have any colonies to rebel

cool, I'll organize it into rough manifest destiny territories, I.E New Mexico, Oregon, Nebraska, Iowa, etc perhaps a US south state

Also, anyone want to take me up on the colony offer?

cool, I'll organize it into rough manifest destiny territories, I.E New Mexico, Oregon, Nebraska, Iowa, etc perhaps a US south state

Also, anyone want to take me up on the colony offer?

I could.

(Your're southern South America, right?)

yes, I'm the dark green thing, my only worry is that I was planning to have European style troops, but still willing to be your colony thing.

Here's an updated map, I combines several us territories, to make a New Mexico, Arizona, Iowa, Oregon, Montana, Confederacy, Carolinian, Virginian,Louisiana, and Kansas territories

This will allow someone to make a nation out of the eastern US(confederacy, Carolinas Virginia, Tennessee, and Ohio) , or Mexico (Baja California, Mexico, Montana, New Mexico, Arizona) or Louisiana (Louisiana, Missouri, Kansas, Nebraska, Iowa), just ideas mind you, but possibilities.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v516/quantumf8/Worldmap2.jpg

If you need European troops, you could be my colony. In exchange for the loss, I can always help Cour hit the rest of China/Central Asia if he wants. His choice of course.

EDIT: Why am I missing Marsellie France/the Peninsula Fr. has?

We could always move it forward or backwards? I'd really love to rp something after the fall of Napoleanic Fr and Carloginias assuming control.

Looks good Zhyolatska :)

With regards to navies, I've been doing research and found that Ironclads can be used but only if we RP the very late 1850's. If not it'll have to be Wooden Steamboats

I think the 1850's or 1860's are the best time. It's just after the end of Muskets and Wooden Boats, yet before the turret ship and the Machine gun. I think it would be the best era.

Alright, thankyou.

I say we RP 1859 or 1860, civil war era, the first ironclad was launched 1859. plus, most nations by this time had more "modernized equipment" i.e Civil War era rifles.

And you're missing Marsellie and Rennes/Normandy because they were separate territories on the map, I can combine them I guess.

I agree with Zhyolatska, 1859-60 is the best time to RP this sort of thread. In relation to the American Rifles, my army uses breech-loading Prussian Needle guns.

And HMS Warrior, the first Ironclad class, was launched in 1860. The Gloire was a stand alone experiment

And I'd like to annex Marsailles and that peninsula

I think he is adding it to my claim.. I don't understand why it was off in the first place.

It was an independant state for a while so maybe that's why.

What weapons does your army use?

Gotta wait till the year is decisively chosen. Probably the.. can't think of it. Union used it during Civil war.

Enfield or Springfield rifiles, can't remember the exact ones, but those were the makers.

Change of plan. If we're using the latter half of the decade then my army is equipped with Snider-Enfield's instead of the Needle-guns.

And the Springfield is the Springfield Model 1861 Rifle

Enfield or Springfield rifiles, can't remember the exact ones, but those were the makers.

Springfields were primarily Union, Enfields Confederate.

And change of plans: Could I have the rest of China, Pakistan, and Vietnam, Laos, and Cambodia instead of Turkey, Egypt, and Iran.

five territories, so you may want to drop pakistan from the list, that gives you china, manchuria, west china/thibet, and the rest of indo-china save mallaca/singapore

Updated map. I've added my own claim (dark red) and Romandeos (dark blue).

Map (http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y77/havoc88/claim.jpg)


And shouldn't we draw the line fo realism somewhere? How does Japan own something in the middle of the continental United States?

I suppose you could say I purchased it.

five territories, so you may want to drop pakistan from the list, that gives you china, manchuria, west china/thibet, and the rest of indo-china save mallaca/singapore

Oh, nevermind, I see what you mean. It depends on how we're doing population. If we're going by what it really was, I want Pakistan, otherwise Thailand is cool.

Does that mean Egypt is open again?

Does anyone know populations for the 1850's?

Does that mean Egypt is open again?

Does anyone know populations for the 1850's?

Most likely.

And I know as site for it.

all right, on the map, you wanted the two territories south of china on indo-china? east of pink's territory in siam? or did you only want one of those?

EDIT: nevermind I see what you mean, sorry, caffeine is kinda making me jittery, maybe I shoulda stopped at three cups of coffee, but it'sjust so good >_>

Sorry for mixing up thailand with cambodia. i'll plug in pakistan for you.

all right, on the map, you wanted the two territories south of china on indo-china? east of pink's territory in siam? or did you only want one of those?

EDIT: nevermind I see what you mean, sorry, caffeine is kinda making me jittery, maybe I shoulda stopped at three cups of coffee, but it'sjust so good >_>

Sorry for mixing up thailand with cambodia. i'll plug in pakistan for you.

Caffeine's never good, lol. :p

Corbournne;12793904']And I know as site for it.

What's the Site?

all right, How's this? also.. my photo bucket account is going to murder me in my sleep =P

What's the Site?

Uhm, hold on while I find it...

And Zhy, what about my change of claims?

dang, it's displaying the wrong map, but I know I changed it, I added in your new claims and uploaded them.

EDIT: It's changed now...

He still has his old claims as well

http://www.populstat.info/

He still has his old claims as well

Hell, I don't see the new ones.

turkey persia and egypt appear blank to me, while pakistan, thibet, china, manchura, and vietnam/laos/cambodia are all teal :confused:

That website you mentioned
Most of my country's figures are missing.

turkey persia and egypt appear blank to me, while pakistan, thibet, china, manchura, and vietnam/laos/cambodia are all teal :confused:

Maybe it's jolt.

here, I renamed the file, so it should hopefully show up.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v516/quantumf8/Worldmap3.jpg

That website you mentioned
Most of my country's figures are missing.

Which are they?

Works, Zhy.

JESUS Cor! Your country's huge!!!

My Nation is:
Northern Italy
Switzerland
Slovenia
Croatia
Bosnia-Herzogovina

JESUS Cor! Your country's huge!!!

My Nation is:
Northern Italy
Switzerland
Slovenia
Croatia
Bosnia-Herzogovina

Yup. :D

Don't worry, if we go by real population, I'll be sure to give my nation plenty of problems.

Switzerland's there, you could use 1857 for Slovenia and Croatia, maybe '76 for Bosnia, and if you go to Italy, you can divide it into regions, and use those.

it should be there, look at yellow


Alversia's looking at the pop site, not the map.

it should be there, look at yellow

Also, Nuevo-Italia and the guy who owns northern africa, each of you can claim one more territory.
Unless sicily is part of southern italy, in which case nuevo-italia can claim two more.

Sciliy is a part of Italy

My pop is about 200,000 rounded up (I think)

Sciliy is a part of Italy

My pop is about 200,000 rounded up (I think)

Yeah, but is it its own province or not?

Sounds right.

that's what I assumed, also the reason the borders are still on those two parts of France, is because I'm sure if those are still their own provinces or not.

That works.

My pop's about 460,000,000.

that's what I assumed, also the reason the borders are still on those two parts of France, is because I'm sure if those are still their own provinces or not.

Sicily is a part of Southern Italy

And I think the two French provinces should be kept seperate as it leaves it open to a conquerer (Me)

A pop of 200,000 gives me a standing Army of 10,000 if I'm lucky :(

First off, since this all happened before I could get to it, thankyou to Zhyolatska for adding my little Empire to the map.

Also, in regards to adding more territory, Sicily is technically a part of Italy, so if it is no problem with anyone, I'd also like to lay claim to:

Sardinia

and

Macedonia (that little speck right next to Albania and above Greece)

Is this ok with everyone?

Fine by me.

First off, since this all happened before I could get to it, thankyou to Zhyolatska for adding my little Empire to the map.

Also, in regards to adding more territory, Sicily is technically a part of Italy, so if it is no problem with anyone, I'd also like to lay claim to:

Sardinia

and

Macedonia (that little speck right next to Albania and above Greece)

Is this ok with everyone?

Sicily is a part of Southern Italy

And I think the two French provinces should be kept seperate as it leaves it open to a conquerer (Me)

A pop of 200,000 gives me a standing Army of 10,000 if I'm lucky :(

A pop of 460,000,000 gives me a standing army of 23,000,000 if I'm as lucky as you.

Corbournne;12794078']A pop of 460,000,000 gives me a standing army of 23,000,000 if I'm as lucky as you.

You are one F******
Fancy an Alliance?...

those numbers seem slightly off, not Corbournne, his nations is HUGE, but for alversia. Napoleon was able to muster more than 10,000 troops from the region, so you should be able to aswell.

EDIT: also added in Neuvo-Italia's new claims, gonna wait before I Update the map though. and if you look REALLY close you'll see a green speck below Sicily, that's Malta =P

You are one F******
Fancy an Alliance?...

Sure, I could help you bully around those bigger European powers. :p

And the pops don't go by ones, add two digits to the number of people.

I'm going by that website but if I can rally a bigger Army I will...

That would give me a Population of 2,000,000 and an Army of 100,000. Better...

Do I get Hainan and/or Taiwan with my southeastern China/Vietnam claim?

So according to that site, the whole of southern South America gives me about 8,424,000 people for the 1859's/1860s

so I think I can have a standing army of about 421,200 troops?

Looking for images for an army, so far all I can find is this image of Portuguese provincial Cazadores Cazadores (http://www.accionchilena.cl/Historia/cazadores.gif)

Well ok, my population is 13,005,300. I have the following: Quebec, Maritimes, US East Coast, Newfoundland and Labadour.

Originally I only requested Maine, but seeing as how on this map, Maine is apart of one territory (the Eastern Seaboard of the US which includes: Vermont, New Hampshire, Massachusetts, Phode Island, Conneticut, New York, Pennsalvania, New Jersey, Delaware, Maryland) I will not argue lol.

Anyhow, I think the 1850 should be a good year to start. Anyhow here are the weapons I am using:

Congreve rocket
Gatling gun
Snider-Enfield
Beaumont-Adams Revolver

I am still looking for ships to use :p

Anyhow, I think the 1850 should be a good year to start. Anyhow here are the weapons I am using:

Congreve rocket
Gatling gun
Snider-Enfield
Beaumont-Adams Revolver

I am still looking for ships to use :p

What is a Congrieve Rocket?

This is the ship I'm using for the bulk of my fleet
http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/images/h71000/h71191.jpg

just a quick question, can someone add my new claims to the map? I'm not sure how to do it ...

I don't know if it's too late to jump in, but if it's still okay-

1 and 2. Thailand/Peninsula below it
3.Bhangladesh
4. Sri Lanka
5. Yemen

(if 1 and 2 can be combined, i''d also like Oman. If not, then no problem)

If i'm lucky and get in here, i'm gone till monday at least. If you need stats, i'll get them up as soon as I can when I get back.

What is a Congrieve Rocket?

This is the ship I'm using for the bulk of my fleet
http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/images/h71000/h71191.jpg

Eh, it's basically a rocket that can travel for 3km. 24 pounder. Mainly used with other artillery. It helps with the destruction, and helps makes anthems (Star Spangled Banner and the red glare FYI :D lol). Basically makes boom.

I forgot to mention I also have a Howtizer and cannons but eh.

Well, I won't really find a ship actually until we settle the ironclad disputes.

To nuevo italia:I guess it won't kill me to upload your claims, the end of the month is almost here anyways
Here it is:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v516/quantumf8/1850Worldmap3.jpg

My Population is 48,000,000 YAY! :p

I can have a max army size of 500 000.:D
Luckily Germany will be like real life and have a kick ass army.

My Population is 48,000,000 YAY! :p

I can have a max army size of 500 000.:D
Luckily Germany will be like real life and have a kick ass army.

Likewise, I have a relatively small Army so I can spend more training each individual soldier.

My Artillery is:
18 pounder Howizer
12 pounder Cannon
6 pounder Infantry gun
2 pounder Cavalry gun

Thanks again, Zhyolatska.

Well, guess we're just waiting for the host to start the thread, right?

Thanks again, Zhyolatska.

Well, guess we're just waiting for the host to start the thread, right?

Yep, I assume Rome's your capital?

I'll claim the chunks of land that look like Paupa New Guinea and Indonesea.
And maybe Siam.

Weapons Issued:
Brown Bess Musket/P53 Enfield Musket
Cup dischargers, bayonets, and grenades*

Congreve/Hale rocket (for incindiary use)

Mortars, connonades, and howitzersturkey persia and egypt appear blank to me, while pakistan, thibet, china, manchura, and vietnam/laos/cambodia are all teal :confused:

Are you claiming my land?!?
And why am I purple?!

Anyhow, I think the 1850 should be a good year to start. Anyhow here are the weapons I am using:

Congreve rocket
Gatling gun
Snider-Enfield
Beaumont-Adams Revolver

I am still looking for ships to use :p
Gatling's creation was 1864 invention, the Snider was based of the Pattern 1853 Enfield Rifle Musket...
Edit:
I don't know if it's too late to jump in, but if it's still okay-

1 and 2. Thailand/Peninsula below it
3.Bhangladesh
4. Sri Lanka
5. Yemen

(if 1 and 2 can be combined, i''d also like Oman. If not, then no problem)

If i'm lucky and get in here, i'm gone till monday at least. If you need stats, i'll get them up as soon as I can when I get back.

Oh Burma...

Are you claiming my land?!?


Gatling's creation was 1864 invention, the Snider was based of the Pattern 1853 Enfield Rifle Musket...
The Gatling un was designed in 1861 and patented in 1862. The Snider was introduced in the same year (1861).

Seeing as how some other people were using Ironclads (ex. the HMS Warrior, built in 1860), I thought I could use those, seeing it's only a year or two difference.

HF, you still using Brown Bess', how come?

And the Gatling Gun is too modern for the time period we're using.
What's wrong with the Snider-Enfield?

Well that can easily be said for the ironclads, considering they were designe in the same time period (1860-1862). So if ironclads are allowed, so should the Gatling.

HF, you still using Brown Bess', how come?

And the Gatling Gun is too modern for the time period we're using.
What's wrong with the Snider-Enfield?
The Time period we're using is late 1850's/early 1860's, the Gatling might just make it in there although it wasn't in widespread use at the time

Well, guess we're just waiting for the host to start the thread, right?

Any hope of me getting in, or am I too late?

lol
my max army size COULD be 1.5 million. But i prefer smaller better trained armies with better equipment. :D

Same here

Are you claiming my land?!?
And why am I purple?!


Gatling's creation was 1864 invention, the Snider was based of the Pattern 1853 Enfield Rifle Musket...

You're the pink, so it's easy to see, he's not claiming your land, you have Siam and Indonesia and Papau New Guinea

ooc- can i join i thought that i posted yesterfay but I guess that I didn't

HF, you still using Brown Bess', how come?

And the Gatling Gun is too modern for the time period we're using.
What's wrong with the Snider-Enfield?
The Time period we're using is late 1850's/early 1860's, the Gatling might just make it in there although it wasn't in widespread use at the time

The old "Brown Bess" lasted until 20 years after the Sepoy rebellion of 1857...
By then, it was precussion fired.
Tis the AK-47 of the 1850's...
(I'm using Short land pattern 1839/1842 capped, about 39" long)

Snider didn't show till 1861, and even then it was rare until 1866.
So no 3rd world upstarting country would have them.
You'd be lucky to have P53s

As for the ?!? statements, that was me being sarcasticly paranoid...

Hmmm... researching makes one draw parallels between HEIC and Blackwater/"start of WW3"...
Except nowdays, there s only one way to make a media blackout of 'negative' actions.
*Holds puppy up to a camera*

And the Gatling Gun is too modern for the time period we're using.
What's wrong with the Snider-Enfield?
The Time period we're using is late 1850's/early 1860's, the Gatling might just make it in there although it wasn't in widespread use at the time

I wasn't planning to use it on a large scale. I was thinking small. Anyhow, like I said:

Well that can easily be said for the ironclads, considering they were designe in the same time period (1860-1862). So if ironclads are allowed, so should the Gatling.

If the ironclad stays, so does the Gatling. I realize what you mean though. As for the Snider, someone mentioned that was too modern so I added that in too.

The old "Brown Bess" lasted until 10 years after the Sepoy rebellion of 1856...
By then, it was precussion fired.
Tis the AK-47 of the 1850's...

I knew that.
I was just wondering why you chose it over all the other breech loaders

RIGHT THEN! The Gatling stays but only in small numbers. It can't become the Squad Machine Gun of the 1800's

And are you calling me an upstart 3rd world country!?!?!?!?!?!

To anyone asking if they can join, choose five unclaimed territories on the map

To people already in, with armies up, would you be able to help me? what would be the standard frigate for the era? a somewhat sturdy gun-ship with sails is what I'm looking at, not a monitor, but something lighter, possibly faster to make up the bulk of my navy. Also, what kind of rifles were the mexican army using during the war?

Anyways on ironclads, bear in mind that while Ironclads may be fun, they're really only good for coastal warfare and not good at travel, for more sea oriented combat you'll want to stick with the mobile and reliable wooden ships with sails.

Also for my army I have these images:
Infantry-Cazadores:
Infantry-Cazadores (http://www.balagan.org.uk/war/iberia/1833/images/NYPL%20Cristino%20Infantry%20Cazador,%20Grenadier,%20Fusilier.jpg)
More Riflemen (http://www.militaryheritage.com/images/riflemen.jpg)
Picture showing variety of troops, Line infantry cuirassier, foot artillery etc (http://www.balagan.org.uk/war/iberia/1859/images/1859_spanish_costumes.jpg)

artilley:
Nine pound line cannon
Grenadier
Foot Artillery (http://www.balagan.org.uk/war/iberia/1833/images/NYPL%20Cristino%20Artillery%20Foot.jpg)

Cavalry:
Hussars (http://www.balagan.org.uk/war/iberia/1833/images/NYPL%20Cristino%20Guard%20Cavalry.%20Cazadores%201824.%201835%20uniform.jpg)
Cuirassier (http://www.balagan.org.uk/war/iberia/1833/images/NYPL%20Cristino%20Cavalry%201824%20Line.%203rd%20Principe.jpg)

I know a lot are napoleonic, but compare it to the 1859((our timeframe)) uniforms, at the bottom of the infantry section, the uniforms are similar and all I can find are these images.

Unless it is either 1861, or you happen to control both American and the British empires from the start, there would be no reasonable explanation why you'd have the two reletively 'new' weapons. (Italy doesn't use F-22 Raptors, yet)

So yes, I suppose I did call you land '3rd world order'.

Gatling would be more of a HMG than a LMG...

There were common breech loaders in 1850?
Ah, the Sharps Carbine... 1853
I dislike the needle gun.

My main gun is going to be the Needle Gun. I just wish I had those Krupp artillery... but that wasnt until mid-1860's :(

My army's current standard firearm is the Vintovka Rifle, a muzzle-loading rifled musket, although some reserve units still use the M-1845 Musket (http://www.russianwarrior.com/STMMain.htm?1830_weapon_m1845detail.htm&1).

In a few years, we will be adopting the breech-loading Berdan I rifle (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berdan_rifle)

Most light cavalry and dragoons use a knock-off of the Sharps Carbine (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sharps_Carbine).

Percussion cap revolvers are in widespread use amongst the officer corp of Kilani.

anyone able to help me with the navy?

For my rifle I'm thinking about using the pattern 1853 enfield or 1861 springfield percussion rifles. would those be a good weapon for my army given my location and army?

anyone able to help me with the navy?

For my rifle I'm thinking about using the pattern 1853 enfield or 1861 springfield percussion rifles. would those be a good weapon for my army given my location and army?

They're good weapons for the time period. Hell, in a few years there will be a breechloading version of the Springfield.

If we can use guns from all the way up to 1861 im using the Mauser :D

I managed to find a few pictures of soldiers I could use.I found them in black and white and then I coloured them in GIMP.

http://img341.imageshack.us/my.php?image=canlandcolonyuf2.jpg

http://img366.imageshack.us/my.php?image=canlandcolony2bt2.jpg

although my nation is in South America,I'm second guessing since they look like European soldiers.Then again this is using my NS nation,so basically I can make them look however I want.

just to let you know, those troops look a little early, colonial era instead of colonialist =P The time frame is around 1859, so around the american union-confederacy war, right after napoleon and simon bolivar so you might want to consider updating them, just a suggestion

With regards to a navy, Steam Frigates would be the most common of the era: http://www.philographikon.com/imagesships/ussteamfregatemerrimac.gif

When I said Ironclads, what I meant was wooden ships with Iron armour, not like the Monitor yet.

As it seems the Snider-Enfield is too modern, I'll use the Mauser

this RP interests me, but looks excessively chaotic.

i have a Napoleonic nation i could update for use here... 'course, it had lancers trained to fire a carbine volley mid charge. great square breakers...

obsolete if there are breach loading rifles around though.

i was looking at the map before, but then i lost track of it *laughs* i'll happily take any five landlocked territories that border each other though... maybe central north America?

i have some line art of a couple of my solder types somewhere, but nowhere to host them. basically it's Napoleonic needs, materials and mentalities meets ww1 practicality, with unusual hats. [kinda like bowler hats with Really massive brims, actually. will happily keep the rain off a gun raised for firing or lowered for muzzle loading :D.]

basic infantry wore green jackets over black shirts with black pants and cross belts. artillery crew had .... *thinks* caps, i suppose. had funny little ear guard things to prevent them going deaf as easily :D wore blue jackets. light cavalry wore blue jackets as well, while heavies [mostly curasiers] wore red.]

but, yeah, to really be able to go into any detail i need to know what limits there are and arn't on what i can and can't do. population, resources, and so on.

you'd be amazed what interesting things limitations can cause one to come up wtih. i had artillery mounted in zeppelins in a ww1 rp because aeroplanes weren't effective combat units yet and i couldn't afford the navy i needed for protecting my colonies [not to mention the zeppelins were the single fastest combat unit around, and only some ships out ranged them travel wise :D]

in a PT rp where my guys had no metal working or archery, but were very good at siege warfare and such and had hang gliders, upon being introduced to balista and gunpowder rather rapidly knocked together an arrangement that basically gave them dive bombers... the only dubious thing about it was weither the pilots would stay conscious for the launch, and having no way to test it everyone basically said "ahh, sounds reasonable enough, given the limitations".

they then developed a Very nasty ship killing weapon... [i won't write yet Another great long paragraph about that] because they just did not have the resources to manufacture cannon in the quantities nessicary, so it made use of balista and explosives.


so, point is: right mind + limitations = new viable tech.
organization = me being able to create a usable nation for this RP
and, if you'll have me, I'm interested :D

Most people are using Breech loading rifles.
Which 5 territories would you be interested in?

lets see... i'll go with north america because it seems to lack anything massive and/or evil....

so.. between that light blue to the west and the orange-ish colour to the south east are two territories. i don't know what the correspond to IRL, exactly...

those, the one north of them, and the two unclaimed territories to the east of them look good :) [i Think that puts mexico on my southern border and canada roughly on the northern one, and I'm pretty sure it leaves me with no coastline...]

edit: as for the breach loaders, yeah, i know most people are using them. i probably will to. i mentioned them in passing as a kind of "aww, i don't get to use my awesome cavalry anymore because they're no longer up to being awesome" comment :)

I'llt ry to fit you in, see if I can do it right.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v516/quantumf8/1850Worldmap1.jpg
Dark Red-Kilani
Light-brown Romandeos
Dark Green-Shakal
Yellow-Alversia
Purple-Canland
Sky Blue-Kanami
Brown-Carloginias
Red-Sendersdale
Green- Nuevo-Italia
Teal-[NS]Corbournne
Sea green- Angermanland

I wonder if there'll be anything left to colonise...

*coughs and points to africa* don't forget, by this time most of the world was already filled, didn't stop people from colonizing modern countries though! just mow them into the ground and call your new settlement a colony =P

Mauser Arms didn't produce any breechloaders until 1867 (an improved copy of the French Chassepot [Fusil mod 1866] )...
Berdan was an 1869 rifle
SniderEnfield was 1861 speciaist weapon in British hands until 1867 (many nation made illegal copies though)

The American civil war was fought in 1861 to 1864, most weapons at that time were rifle-Muskets, such as the P53 and Springfield Model 1861.

This RP starts in 1850, not 1870, nor 1899...
Invent your own breechloader conversions...

The Dreyse Needle Gun (+copies, started in 1848) and Sharps Rifle are were in existance at 1850, though the Sharps was rather new.

Then there was this Nowegian brute (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kammerlader)
An 18 gauge rifle, later to be used as a shotgun...

For my nation, the needle gun would be a suitable weapon for such close-in fighting.

HTTC (Hurtful Thoughts Trade Corporation) FTW!

Thanks HF...

If my Army chooses to mass-produce the Snider-Enfield then what's the big deal. My country has more to spend on individual weapons than, say Corburnne

And what gun does your Army use?

Thanks HF...

And what gun does your Army use?

Brown Bess Pattern 1842 Short Land Rifle (Militia gun)
Dreyse Needle Gun Pattern 1848 (New standard gun)

Maybe some French/British Rifle-Muskets as well, for sniping.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mini%C3%A9_rifle

After that, I'll be going Indig all the way...

Minor spelling correction:
Please get the 2nd initail correct. Tis a T, not F.
And T is closer to H than F.

You can't buy something from someone before it is invented, so you'll have to invent your own (after limiting yourself to the designs of 1850 as a base of inspiration)

Please get the 2nd initail correct. Tis a T, not F.
And T is closer to H than F.

Yeah, sorry about that. I assume you have a no problem with me mass producing the Snider-Enfield? I only have about 90,000 to produce

I too am producing the Enfield. Thats the one I was thinking of last night, but coulden't remember. Haven't studided Post-Napoleanic/Pre-WWI history in a while.

EDIT: Anyone think of an appropriate standing army for my nation? I have plans to have a rather large navy for all of my colonial holdings.

You could use the Union or the Confederate Armies.
I'm using the French Army as a basic guide with regards to Uniforms and things. When was the Adrian helmet introduced does anyone know?