NationStates Jolt Archive

I haven't decided yet. We'll probably do a vote.

Ah, beautiful democracy...

and seeing as the map is quickly filling up but slow to fill up, I think that we need to have a claim list, so people know what is and what isn't claimed...

Ah, beautiful democracy...

and seeing as the map is quickly filling up but slow to fill up, I think that we need to have a claim list, so people know what is and what isn't claimed...
There is one in the first post.

Great Earth

Sadly Mexico + Cuba are taken... that's where Laquasa is using RL georgaphy. I use m'own map usually.

Could I get the land along the northern coastline in Africa? I'm bored with some of these crappy RP's and want to join a earth.

Azerbyjian
Armenia
Kazakstan
Georgia

Could I get the land along the northern coastline in Africa? I'm bored with some of these crappy RP's and want to join a earth.

I think Tunisia's open...

I think Tunisia's open...

Idk, Theres nothing here worth crap.

Could I get the land along the northern coastline in Africa? I'm bored with some of these crappy RP's and want to join a earth.

I think Tunisia is all that's available there.

so is Earth SYAE completely filled up yet?

It would be possible. Want them?

Err...has my claim been totally ignored?

On a glance, maybe. Repost it [unless in the process of being ignored, other people claimed them..., in which case, I have territories under my "protection" that I'm saving for new players: Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia, Thailand, Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, Tajikistan, Kyrgyzstan, Turkmenistan. Try to keep it all geographically connected.

On a second notice, I've officially adopted RL population figures for my country. If NS population figures are decided to be the reigning figure, I will change them back, although for the sake of simplicity and otherwise useful RP opportunities, I strongly encourage people to use RL figures [as has been apparently the case in nearly all of the SYAE factbooks that I've seen]. I haven't figured out how I'd want to do economic stats.

Err...has my claim been totally ignored?

I'm sorry, I must have missed it. What was it again?

I wanted Iran, Turkey, Turkmenistan, and Afghanistan. It seems that my claim has been skipped over..

Ah, sorry. As an apology, I shall also throw in Uzbekistan, free of charge. :)

edit: Just saw the above post..

No problems, man. Thanks!

My pleasure. :)

edit: Just saw the above post..

No problems, man. Thanks!

Updated Map (http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/2505/syaemap22ek.png)

Near as I can tell, it contains all the claims from the first post plus a couple I found a long the way, includes Whyatica's and D-Prime's claims.

My factbook (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=515567)

I think Tunisia is all that's available there.

Hmmz....Well. I want a big chunk of land right near water that has access to the ocean. Can you hook me up?

Well, there's a chunk of Eastern Europe left for sure, other than that... I think someone claimed all of Southeast Asia and another person basically cleaned up Africa.

Well, there's a chunk of Eastern Europe left for sure, other than that... I think someone claimed all of Southeast Asia and another person basically cleaned up Africa.

I don't think anybody took Southeast Asia. Vietnam, Kampuchea, Laos, Malaysia, and Singapore, are still there.

I saw something about giving greenland to someone. If it hasn't been given to someone then I can take it. Other than that I guess i'm fucked cause I got a navy....

Hmmz....Well. I want a big chunk of land right near water that has access to the ocean. Can you hook me up?

I can give you Equatorial Guinea and Gabon (both oil-rich and have access to the Pacific) and Tunisia (access to the Mediterranean). Is that okay?

Sure. Why not...lol

Sure. Why not...lol

Granted. :)

Sure. Why not...lol

Welcome to the Pacific, neighbor. :D

Here. (http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f125/fukuoka_yakuza/syae-1.png)

This one has a handy improved bonus feature; all areas of conflict are colored in white.

Dweladelfia Prime said he was taking AB's suggestion of Chad, Niger, and the CAR, so I gave him that.

If possible, could the map be updated soon? No hurry, though.

Here. (http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f125/fukuoka_yakuza/syae-1.png)

This one has a handy improved bonus feature; all areas of conflict are colored in white.

Dweladelfia Prime said he was taking AB's suggestion of Chad, Niger, and the CAR, so I gave him that.

Awesome, thanks! :D

I can give you Equatorial Guinea and Gabon (both oil-rich and have access to the Pacific) and Tunisia (access to the Mediterranean). Is that okay?

actually they're border the Atlantic, not the Pacific.

actually they're border the Atlantic, not the Pacific.

Ah, yes. Damn pre-senility. :headbang:

I've officially adopted RL population figures for my country. If NS population figures are decided to be the reigning figure, I will change them back, although for the sake of simplicity and otherwise useful RP opportunities, I strongly encourage people to use RL figures [as has been apparently the case in nearly all of the SYAE factbooks that I've seen]. I haven't figured out how I'd want to do economic stats.
I'm using RL population figures too. Although it makes me rather small (a total population of 24.4 million), I think it'll be more fun and realistic with these figures. This also makes Greenland (as I have) pretty non-important as there are about 50,000 inhabitants, but it's realistic.

If there will be a voting, I'll placing my vote on RL population figures.

I haven't decided yet. We'll probably do a vote.

May I ask then this voteing is going to start? Wars are already going on but Im still not sure what I should write to my factbook or how big neighbours I really have. I don't really like the idea getting into some conflict and then seeing my enemy become 5 times stronger during it because poll resulted that.

btw, considering how many players crabbed quite many countries I would say mostly people have prepared for playing with RL stats.

Also I would like to protest actions of Novistrana4:

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=12246379&postcount=2

I will stop posting usless threads if all nations sign this thread stateing that they recoginze the folowing countrys as part of Novistrana4. we will also give a huge amount of money 600 billion dollers to the nation that suports us the most and helps us secure our new borders.

NO nukes or spamers ofr idiots please




Nations that Novistrana4 wants recognized as part of there country.

Syria
Jordan
Lebanon
Israel
Gaza strip
West bank


if you sign you are saying that you recoginze these places as part of my nation. and then i will stop posting stupid things

I know that im not really experienced RP-er so im not probably best person for saying that but if someone threatens to post stupid things if his demands are not satisfied then i suggest kicking him out from Earth-SYAE RP.

OOC: Actually I think that could spamming. Not sure.

OOC:
I'll invade him if he doesn't shut up with this. He's annoying me and my nations government.

Olmedreca;12246445']Also I would like to protest actions of Novistrana4:

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=12246379&postcount=2



I know that im not really experienced RP-er so im not probably best person for saying that but if someone threatens to post stupid things if his demands are not satisfied then i suggest kicking him out from Earth-SYAE RP.

Novistrana4, I'll let you off with a warning this time. But please, pull off something like this again and you may well be banned from SYAE.


Oh, and I decided we will be using RL populations.

Novistrana4, I'll let you off with a warning this time. But please, pull off something like this again and you may well be banned from SYAE.


Oh, and I decided we will be using RL populations.

...crap. That even puts me out of synch with my nation's history as seperatists and ex-patriots. The little islands I took just don't have enough people. Or at least they don't have enough people taking the census...

:headbang:

Offical statment from the office of president Kumar
Head of the Union Of Soviet Democratic Novistrana4

Novistrana4 supports the United States Of America fully and will up trade and aid to this nation by 20% we also offer our bases and navel facilaties to be used by american millatry as we are a ex-soviet state in south russia near the russian gorgian border. we also will aly with the USA in any war it takes in europe.
[OOC: Excuse me, but aren't you:
Novistrana3
Israel
Jordan
Lebanon
Palestinian-occupied territories
West Bank

here in SYAE?

And what happened to your account novistrana3? Why did you change the number to 4?]

Ok. I just didn't get the geography to match your post. Your claims are Jordan and Israel with surroundings, and that's not a part of southern Russia, bordering "gorgia", it's more like the Middle East.
we are a ex-soviet state in south russia near the russian gorgian border.

I don't understand. There is a policy where they don't do name changes. Do you keep getting your nation deleted or something.

I don't understand. There is a policy where they don't do name changes. Do you keep getting your nation deleted or something.

Brand new country, brand new account. Brand new name came with it.

Novistrana4, I'll let you off with a warning this time. But please, pull off something like this again and you may well be banned from SYAE.


Oh, and I decided we will be using RL populations.

Darn. But whatever, you're thread starter. But, one question. What about Antartica?

Novistrana4, I'll let you off with a warning this time. But please, pull off something like this again and you may well be banned from SYAE.


Oh, and I decided we will be using RL populations.

Ok, Ya I'm Not joining. Sry

my factbook: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=515650

Oh, and I decided we will be using RL populations.

I suggest mentioning it at first post too because here is possibility that many people will not notice it quite big.

I'm glad that we're doing RL populations.

But my concern is actually what to do with all of the IC declarations. We need to have an IC thread for SYAE, or else become doomed to search the NS threads for the various threads that are IC. We are going to need a place to deposit IC links and coordinate World IC declarations if this is ever going to make any modern sense [unless we want to go with the ancient telecommunications route...]

As for Antarctica, I'm not sure how we could do that. The RL population is basically nil [there is a living population of foreign scientists...]. Maybe we can do a conversion of all the penguins [serious] living in Antarctica [at least 1 million].

I'm glad that we're doing RL populations.

But my concern is actually what to do with all of the IC declarations. We need to have an IC thread for SYAE, or else become doomed to search the NS threads for the various threads that are IC. We are going to need a place to deposit IC links and coordinate World IC declarations if this is ever going to make any modern sense [unless we want to go with the ancient telecommunications route...]

As for Antarctica, I'm not sure how we could do that. The RL population is basically nil [there is a living population of foreign scientists...]. Maybe we can do a conversion of all the penguins [serious] living in Antarctica [at least 1 million].

A population of penguins! We're doomed! Morgan Freeman's prophecy of the march of the penguins has come true!!!

Anyway, I am not going with the RL population of my land, that'd both throw me out of synch with what I am RPing and... well that is pretty much it. The expatriots number at least a few million and growing.

why don't we have some mercy on Antarctica and say they can use a pop of like 50 million?

But my concern is actually what to do with all of the IC declarations. We need to have an IC thread for SYAE, or else become doomed to search the NS threads for the various threads that are IC. We are going to need a place to deposit IC links and coordinate World IC declarations if this is ever going to make any modern sense [unless we want to go with the ancient telecommunications route...]

I agree, its quite problematic to have good overview. So yes, we need to have all IC gathered somewhere. Btw, I already have gathered some links for my personal usage, so I may put them here:

SYAE: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=515078
Nswiki: http://ns.goobergunch.net/wiki/index.php/Category:SYAE_nations

F=factbook,D=diplomacy,F/D=both
factbooks and embassies:
The Nordic Kingdom: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=515537 (F)
Eastern European Union: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=515567 (F)
The Imperial Meritocracy of Whyatica: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=515613 (F/D)
Low Confederation: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=515468 (D)
Russian Soviet Federated Socialist Republics http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=515463 (D)
United Arab Socialist Republic: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=515139 (F/D?)
DaeHanJeiGuk: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=515137 (F)
US: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=515327 (D)
Kingdom of Arabia: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=515650 (F/D)
factbooks at nswiki:
Gashgalgabrad: http://ns.goobergunch.net/wiki/index.php/Gashgalgabrad (F)
Union of South Africa: http://ns.goobergunch.net/wiki/index.php/Union_of_South_Africa (F)
Zaire: http://ns.goobergunch.net/wiki/index.php/Zaire (F)

other stuff:
An invitation to Gbadolite: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=515218
Riots in Los Angeles: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=515559
The End of an Era: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=515283
Gwangmu Emperor: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=515160
Eurasian Advance Into Europe: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=515577
Eurasian Embargo of the United States: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=515440
Royal Army Engages in Manoeuvres Near Andorra: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=12236475#post12236475
America Welcome: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=12237401#post12237401
A Quiet Job: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=12237570#post12237570
The Glorious People's Republic of New Aeson Tests Anti-Satellite Weaponry: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=515653

there may be mistakes in this list because after all I only gathered them for personal usage but maybe you find them useful and they can make it easier for someone(whoever decides to take the job) to create one real IC thread

edit: about antarctica I think we should first hear opinion of antarctica player himself

Can we put the threads on the first post please?
It'd be a heck of a lot easier, and most earths that use Jolt (or other Earth-like things) do that too (I was doing that on the "21C" Earth before I had some RL issues and it disbanded).

This is part of Earth SYAE, it just doesn't have the SYAE ending.
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=515581

Olmedreca;12248263']I agree, its quite problematic to have good overview. So yes, we need to have all IC gathered somewhere. Btw, I already have gathered some links for my personal usage, so I may put them here:

SYAE: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=515078
Nswiki: http://ns.goobergunch.net/wiki/index.php/Category:SYAE_nations

F=factbook,D=diplomacy,F/D=both
factbooks and embassies:
The Nordic Kingdom: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=515537 (F)
Eastern European Union: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=515567 (F)
The Imperial Meritocracy of Whyatica: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=515613 (F/D)
Low Confederation: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=515468 (D)
Russian Soviet Federated Socialist Republics http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=515463 (D)
United Arab Socialist Republic: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=515139 (F/D?)
DaeHanJeiGuk: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=515137 (F)
US: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=515327 (D)
Kingdom of Arabia: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=515650 (F/D)
factbooks at nswiki:
Gashgalgabrad: http://ns.goobergunch.net/wiki/index.php/Gashgalgabrad (F)
Union of South Africa: http://ns.goobergunch.net/wiki/index.php/Union_of_South_Africa (F)
Zaire: http://ns.goobergunch.net/wiki/index.php/Zaire (F)

other stuff:
An invitation to Gbadolite: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=515218
Riots in Los Angeles: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=515559
The End of an Era: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=515283
Gwangmu Emperor: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=515160
Eurasian Advance Into Europe: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=515577
Eurasian Embargo of the United States: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=515440
Royal Army Engages in Manoeuvres Near Andorra: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=12236475#post12236475
America Welcome: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=12237401#post12237401
A Quiet Job: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=12237570#post12237570
The Glorious People's Republic of New Aeson Tests Anti-Satellite Weaponry: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=515653

there may be mistakes in this list because after all I only gathered them for personal usage but maybe you find them useful and they can make it easier for someone(whoever decides to take the job) to create one real IC thread

edit: about antarctica I think we should first hear opinion of antarctica player himself

That is my diplomacy thread as well as my factbook, by the way.

d'oh - RL populations tosses my culture/history/etc out the window. I would much rather use the NS one, and I'm not a very large nation compared to many oethers.

Since it looks like we are trying to make a list of all threads, here (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=515733) is my Embassy/Factbook Thread.

I'm glad that we're doing RL populations.

But my concern is actually what to do with all of the IC declarations. We need to have an IC thread for SYAE, or else become doomed to search the NS threads for the various threads that are IC. We are going to need a place to deposit IC links and coordinate World IC declarations if this is ever going to make any modern sense [unless we want to go with the ancient telecommunications route...]

As for Antarctica, I'm not sure how we could do that. The RL population is basically nil [there is a living population of foreign scientists...]. Maybe we can do a conversion of all the penguins [serious] living in Antarctica [at least 1 million].

actually, there are about 20,000 or so Chilean colonists on the Antartic Peninsula cause Chile is trying to claim Antarctica for itself. Though no one else recognizes their claim.

actually, there are about 20,000 or so Chilean colonists on the Antartic Peninsula cause Chile is trying to claim Antarctica for itself. Though no one else recognizes their claim.

There are still more penguins in Antarctica than humans :) [which I've managed to get a count of about 2mil...]. But of course, letting the owner decide is agreeable.

How are we doing economies? RL? NS? NS-adjusted? RL-adjusted?

I did RL adjusted, nothing major, although it varies from nation to nation, for instance, I adjusted Moldovia's GDP per Capita by roughly 300%, but when they were incredibly poor to start with (roughly $2,000 gdp per capita) and are now just poor ($8,000) even such a large change percentage wise isn't that much of a change across the board. I increased all the GDP's but Austria, the way I saw it was that in unification all the other nations could learn from Austria's apparent advantage and figure out a way to improve their economies, if nothing else they would become more self-sufficent and less reliant on foreign nations for vital supplies.

I plan on doing NS-adjusted. As in, take my NS GDP and make the government budget less insane.

I vote for using NS populations, just for simplicity's sake.

There are still more penguins in Antarctica than humans :) [which I've managed to get a count of about 2mil...]. But of course, letting the owner decide is agreeable.

How are we doing economies? RL? NS? NS-adjusted? RL-adjusted?

I don't know, but I personally use RL. What do you guys think?

Darn. But whatever, you're thread starter. But, one question. What about Antartica?

Erm...I never thought about that.

Ok, Ya I'm Not joining. Sry

Sorry to see you go.

I don't know, but I personally use RL. What do you guys think?

It would be better for my simple mind if we used NS Populations. Although i'm probably one of the biggest NS nations here so...

I say we stick to RL populations like our de facto admin said, several nations decided to gobble up half of Africa, South America or Asia, now make them earn those claims by taking five minutes of research on the CIA World Factbook to figure out their populations. Plus having 6.8 billion people is just rediculous, stick to RL populatons for simplicity's sake, we don't need armies of 20,000,000 troops slugging it out on 12 different fronts and threatening all the smaller (NS) nations into obedience. It's why we have these earths, so that those who for whatever reason feel left out of the regular NS stat based RP's can have somewhere to go.

It would be better for my simple mind if we used NS Populations. Although i'm probably one of the biggest NS nations here so...

We are using RL populations. I was asking which economies we should use.

ok....RL Populations then....was kinda out of it when I posted that last one. I've been a lil sick all day.



I would say my NS Economy. And I would like to use the weapons that i have for my NS Nation (except all the space stuff).


A full listing of what I got (which i will dwindle down the number of troops) is on my nations Web Site (http://shazbotdom.bashwebdesign.com).

I've decided that i'm going to join together all of the RL CIA World Factbooks for the 3 lands I own but add in some of the stuff from my own nations factbook. All I need to do now is compile it all together, which might take some time. Expect it all from me tomarrow.


I'll probably RP Under what i use for NS. The Dark Empire of Shazbotdom.

I've just completed my History post:

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=12231944&postcount=5

Please tell me if anything is plainly godmod, and I will fix it.

Factbook/Embassy Thread Here (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=12248871)

NS economies, I'd say.

Ludwik Doctrine on European Affairs (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=515799)

I know, in the actual thread I mispelled doctrine in the title. >.<

Im fine with any economies. Just I would like if tech level would be RL or atleast very close to it.

since it's not receiving much attention, and the current trend is to post links, here's the Han Empire's invitation to a discussion about formalities between states:

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=515160

Is this still open? If so I would like to take Iceland.

Unfortunately Novistrana4 Does exist.

After looking for ages the Kingdom Of Glamara has found Novistrana4 no longer exists. So can the Kingdom Of Glamara have its terratories of.


Israel
Jordan
Lebanon
Palestinian-occupied territories
West Bank



Thanks

David Brewaman
Minster of forign affairs.
Kingdom of Glamara

After looking for ages the Kingdom Of Glamara has found Novistrana3 no longer exists. So can the Kingdom Of Glamara have its terratories of.

Novistrana3 exists as Novistrana4 so his territories are not up for grabs.

Sorry meent Novistrana4.

OOC:
No Novistrana3 does not exist no more as it was my freinds nation he lives in Auckland new zealand and nation states deleted the nation every time he logs in it says he has been banned.

why? What did he do?

OOC:Something stuiped knowing him. so can i have his terratories he said it was ok but i had to ask you guys he showed me when i was at his place and he can not log in and it says he was banned so.

Learn English First.

OOC: stop it i only spelled one word wrong so realy just stop please.:(

how i can not give passwords over this telegram me

OOC: stop it i only spelled one word wrong so realy just stop please.:(

It was less of the spelling and more of the Grammar.

OOC:Something stuiped knowing him. so can i have his terratories he said it was ok but i had to ask you guys he showed me when i was at his place and he can not log in and it says he was banned so.

Prove it.

Yes. Prove it. Although you'll be the first one I invade....

username: Novistrana3
Pass: airport1

username: Novistrana3
Pass: airport1

Very nice. Something we can't confirm. Try again.

that is the log on details for this forum

go log out and then type those log on details in

UserID and Password don't help. I want a Yahoo or MSN Conversation to prove it.

I will take all of SouthEast Asia... my SYAE Nation will be called The Heart of Armaggeddon.

ok Novistrana4@yahoo.com

Somehow I thought this would happen. Two large nations, picking on the smaller nations, not allowing them to Expand. I can understand the Americans but the Eurasians are just warmongers. They don't even use diplomatic channels. It's just "HEY THEY INVADED SOMEBODY SMALLER THEN THEM! LET'S GET HIM!". Really, I can't expect any less of you. Really? Was a declaration of war needed? Overkill much? Right.

If this who I am working with I am leaving. And before you say something like "Good Riddance" or "Don't let the door hit you on the way out" or something of that nature, remember I tried to rp a Smaller nation, but, like bullies, the larger nations picked on me.

Note: This is more pointed at the Eurasians and not the Americans.

OOC: you have some good points but it would unfortunate for this earth if you left. Eurasia's actions are already putting them on a collision course with the US. The Eurasians just want to set themselves up as a world power. I'd suggest taking them. You have the economy and should have the military for it.

Theres the slight problem of the Player who, somehow, controls all of Fucking Western Europe. Really, who would let a person claim all of that? Same with the player in India. Both of these are nowhere near reasonable.

Somehow I thought this would happen. Two large nations, picking on the smaller nations, not allowing them to Expand. I can understand the Americans but the Eurasians are just warmongers. They don't even use diplomatic channels. It's just "HEY THEY INVADED SOMEBODY SMALLER THEN THEM! LET'S GET HIM!". Really, I can't expect any less of you. Really? Was a declaration of war needed? Overkill much? Right.

If this who I am working with I am leaving. And before you say something like "Good Riddance" or "Don't let the door hit you on the way out" or something of that nature, remember I tried to rp a Smaller nation, but, like bullies, the larger nations picked on me.

Note: This is more pointed at the Eurasians and not the Americans.

Well, this is expected. Smaller nations do not have the fortune to be able to defend themselves against larger countries, but then you look for people to support you. I - for one - support you, although I can't do too much from China. The United States supports you [if only because he doesn't support Eurasia], the RFSSR likely supports you, the Nordic Kingdom likely also supports you, and perhaps even the East European Union would support you.

Besides, looking at it this way, if you leave, Eurasia takes your country, so you're practically giving him your home. Would you like that?

Then come to my new world the PNW i will let you and the USA and me be the heads

No. I don't like you.

Then come to my new world the PNW i will let you and the USA and me be the heads

Advertising your RP in someone elses RP is bad......

Theres the slight problem of the Player who, somehow, controls all of Fucking Western Europe. Really, who would let a person claim all of that? Same with the player in India. Both of these are nowhere near reasonable.

I would not say all of western europe. It's actually divided between 4 people. He just controls the biggest part of it. And the guy who runs Italy has a good chunk of it since Italy is nice and sizeable.

Well, this is expected. Smaller nations do not have the fortune to be able to defend themselves against larger countries, but then you look for people to support you. I - for one - support you, although I can't do too much from China. The United States supports you [if only because he doesn't support Eurasia], the RFSSR likely supports you, the Nordic Kingdom likely also supports you, and perhaps even the East European Union would support you.

Besides, looking at it this way, if you leave, Eurasia takes your country, so you're practically giving him your home. Would you like that?

If I fight, my country becomes a wasteland of battlegrounds. Even if I win, I lose. It's a lose, lose situation.

Then come to my new world the PNW i will let you and the USA and me be the heads

lol shameful advertising. Kind of unethical don't you think?

Then come to my new world the PNW i will let you and the USA and me be the heads

As far as I know, you're the same guy as Novistrana4 - so I'd personally try to lay low before the mods check you out again [unless you aren't the same person, but I don't know that...]

Well, this is expected. Smaller nations do not have the fortune to be able to defend themselves against larger countries, but then you look for people to support you. I - for one - support you, although I can't do too much from China. The United States supports you [if only because he doesn't support Eurasia], the RFSSR likely supports you, the Nordic Kingdom likely also supports you, and perhaps even the East European Union would support you.

Besides, looking at it this way, if you leave, Eurasia takes your country, so you're practically giving him your home. Would you like that?

the american policy is to defend all of the smaller nations that would otherwise have a problem defending themselves against the bigger guys.

Come on, Granate, don't just abandon it. Even if you do get your homeland demolished...I'm sure you'll get recompensated in Eurasian lands when they get their warmongering ways stopped.

I will take all of SouthEast Asia... my SYAE Nation will be called The Heart of Armaggeddon.

:ahem:

If I fight, my country becomes a wasteland of battlegrounds. Even if I win, I lose. It's a lose, lose situation.

Well, this isn't particularly a game. But let us a suppose that you are being assaulted by someone stronger who has every intention to kill you - with a knife. If you fight back, you'll probably be hurt badly, because he has a weapon and you don't. If you let him do his business, you will surely die. But you see, the difference is that if you resist, you have a chance to survive and live another day. And by chance, you'll find a hospital or charity that can help you get back on your feet. Perhaps even one day, you can return the favor to the assaulter, and exact the justice that is due to you. But that doesn't happen unless you resist. Besides, conflict is inevitable - if you run from it, it will hinder your future options [unless of course, running is the conflict...].

I can't guarantee IC intervention, but I take it personally if something like this works out for the better.

It may not even matter by the time Intervention comes along. My nation is literally surrounded by him. My colonies can be easily conquered. Theres very little hope.

:ahem:

ummm... Congo-Kinshasa is the guy you want to look for...

Besides that, be sure to know that I'm a neighbor...

If you are attacked the US will go to your assistance and you will likely get some land from whoever attacks you.

It may not even matter by the time Intervention comes along. My nation is literally surrounded by him. My colonies can be easily conquered. Theres very little hope.

well, it's your choice, but if you want to be overrun, then so be it.

I'm not going to defend the actions of someone who won't defend himself.

It may not even matter by the time Intervention comes along. My nation is literally surrounded by him. My colonies can be easily conquered. Theres very little hope.

you can rp guerilla resistance until help gets to you.

If you guys really want me to defend myself then all I need to do is just withdraw from Cape Verde Islands. Which if I am guessing correctly he will just take and call it something along the lines of protecting the nation from me.

As a neutral observer it does appear to me that Eurasia is overstepping his boundaries. As an 'Earth' type roleplay, one does have to wonder where he got the public support and military power to carry half as much weight as he seems to.

If you guys really want me to defend myself then all I need to do is just withdraw from Cape Verde Islands. Which if I am guessing correctly he will just take and call it something along the lines of protecting the nation from me.

the US is preparing for military action to remove both nations from Cape Verde and may take the Canaries from Eurasia.

But then we might also take Sao Tome from the Low Confederacy. Just being even handed.

Take those Islands and then you may find me and the Eurasians have something in common.

If you guys really want me to defend myself then all I need to do is just withdraw from Cape Verde Islands. Which if I am guessing correctly he will just take and call it something along the lines of protecting the nation from me.

If he takes it, I'll attack it (it's right off my coastline anyway...)

Take those Islands and then you may find me and the Eurasians have something in common.

I'm not taking them. I'm just giving them back their freedom.

I was talking more about Sao Tome and Principe, but either way. I am not leaving the Cape Verde Islands.

Guys, what do you think of creating a separate forum for SYAE, on InvisionFree or some place like that? It would be much more organised for us. Probably faster too.

Granate: Prosperas, with the United States, will support you against Eurasian aggression.

Have you ever thought about the Benefits of letting me keep the Islands? No of course not. An Imperialistic force is always bad and has no advantages.

Well I have the wealth to Improve the Cape Verde Islands. I also have the Manpower to defend it reletively well. But no, you all saw it as a Imperialistic Grab.

I was talking more about Sao Tome and Principe, but either way. I am not leaving the Cape Verde Islands.

If you leave Cape Verde, you keep Sao Tome and the US will defend you against any Eurasian military action and even lift the weapons embargo and give you arms to help you. This includes sattelite recon and intelligence reports on Eurasian troop movements.

Have you ever thought about the Benefits of letting me keep the Islands? No of course not. An Imperialistic force is always bad and has no advantages.

Well I have the wealth to Improve the Cape Verde Islands. I also have the Manpower to defend it reletively well. But no, you all saw it as a Imperialistic Grab.

I'm not opposed to peaceful integration like if you had a negotiation and a referendum. It's the all out war invasion that I oppose.

Thats all Eurasia wants. He wants me to leave the Islands. If I fight back he will invade my homeland, If I leave he won't. But if I don't leave I don't your surpport. If I do leave, I gain your support for a war that won't happen.

Kind of a conundrum, eh?

Thats all Eurasia wants. He wants me to leave the Islands. If I fight back he will invade my homeland, If I leave he won't. But if I don't leave I don't your surpport. If I do leave, I gain your support for a war that won't happen.

Kind of a conundrum, eh?

You have Prosperan support whether you stay or leave.

I'm not opposed to peaceful integration like if you had a negotiation and a referendum. It's the all out war invasion that I oppose.

For Island nation like that, far away from any of my holdings. It would of been pointless. No way would they join up with me. I would of had better chance with Suriname, being a former Dutch Colony and all, but not Cape Verde.

Thats all Eurasia wants. He wants me to leave the Islands. If I fight back he will invade my homeland, If I leave he won't. But if I don't leave I don't your surpport. If I do leave, I gain your support for a war that won't happen.

Kind of a conundrum, eh?

well, if he doesn't leave you can join me in expelling him from the Canary Islands and I'll send forces to assist you in defending your homeland if you request it.

We need an IC thread...

and personally, off-site forums don't run too well in my opinion - no easy way to recruit new players...

Just to repeat this one more time: Guys, what do you think of creating a separate forum for SYAE, on InvisionFree or some place like that? It would be much more organised for us. Probably faster too. I've spoken to Congo--Kinshasa and he agrees that it is worth serious consideration. Furthermore, South Africa and I will likely leave if SYAE remains on Jolt.

We need an IC thread...

and personally, off-site forums don't run too well in my opinion - no easy way to recruit new players...

We have plenty of players though, given the amount of land that has been claimed already.

Just to repeat this one more time: Guys, what do you think of creating a separate forum for SYAE, on InvisionFree or some place like that? It would be much more organised for us. Probably faster too. I've spoken to Congo--Kinshasa and he agrees that it is worth serious consideration. Furthermore, South Africa and I will likely leave if SYAE remains on Jolt.

I'll go with the others on this one. This earth is just about filled up anyway but as far as future recruiting, it would be more difficult. Especially since Jolt doesn't allow you to advert thirdparty forums anyway, as far as I know.

Off-sites are way easier.
We should go IF forums.

And Granate-if either the US or Eurasia try to bully you, I'll throw my force at 'em, with whoever else will defend you. I'm not a fan of the big-guy aggression just to bully you around, in their own secular reasons behind smokes and mirrors (I mean, if you're gonna bully, say it, US).

And Granate-if either the US or Eurasia try to bully you, I'll throw my force at 'em, with whoever else will defend you. I'm not a fan of the big-guy aggression just to bully you around, in their own secular reasons behind smokes and mirrors (I mean, if you're gonna bully, say it, US).

I'll second that.

Well, I'd prefer on-site forums... but if the majority wants off-site, I'll follow; I don't make the rules.

I would personally prefer on-site too, but then again not my decision.

Updated.

Update, people: because of all the stuff surrounding the Cape Verdes, I'm halting any Songhai moves on Algeria for now.
C-K, please remove it from the conflicted nations list, thanks.

Update, people: because of all the stuff surrounding the Cape Verdes, I'm halting any Songhai moves on Algeria for now.
C-K, please remove it from the conflicted nations list, thanks.

I can understand why.
In addition, Cape Verde should be added to the cn list.

I really prefer to stay on jolt. If we move to another forum, I probably won't follow.

Well, I've decided to quit NS. I apologise to Gauthic for having to end our state visit RP rather abruptly. I did have fun on that, and I would like to have finished it. Sorry. If anyone is interested in contacting me, you can email me: prosperathenation@hotmail.com

Best wishes.

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO - I had plans!!!!

Well, best of luck anyway; I hope that RL doesn't bite you hard.

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO - I had plans!!!!

Well, best of luck anyway; I hope that RL doesn't bite you hard.

How on earth does this happen???? :confused:

Well, I've decided to quit NS. I apologise to Gauthic for having to end our state visit RP rather abruptly. I did have fun on that, and I would like to have finished it. Sorry. If anyone is interested in contacting me, you can email me: prosperathenation@hotmail.com

Best wishes.

What happened? That's the second person already.

bump

Hey, I don't think my previous post was noticed. Would anyone mind if I Rp'ed as Iceland?

Hey, I don't think my previous post was noticed. Would anyone mind if I Rp'ed as Iceland?

Ah, I musta missed that.

Yes, you can RP as Iceland.

If no one has already claimed it, may I have Serbia, Montenegro, Slovenia, Croatia, Albania, Romania, Bulgaria, Macedonia, and Bosnia? Basically, Yugoslavia + Albania + Romania + Bulgaria.

Thanks if possible, call it simply Yugoslavia.

Hey, I don't think my previous post was noticed. Would anyone mind if I Rp'ed as Iceland?
Welcome neighbor. I'm the Nordic Kingdom - Finland, Sweden, Denmark, Norway, Greenland (and surrounding islands as Faeroe Islands, Jan Mayen Island, Svalbard, etc).

Wonder who's got the biggest territories? i think the smallest is the guy with switzerland..

If no one has already claimed it, may I have Serbia, Montenegro, Slovenia, Croatia, Albania, Romania, Bulgaria, Macedonia, and Bosnia? Basically, Yugoslavia + Albania + Romania + Bulgaria.

Thanks if possible, call it simply Yugoslavia.

Approved.

Wonder who's got the biggest territories? i think the smallest is the guy with switzerland..

i believe who ever has russia has the largest claim.

My Factbook and Embassy Page (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=515956)

i believe who ever has russia has the largest claim.


I dunno - antarctica?

maybe but Antarctica really isn't that big at all

I suppose... geography was never my strong point..

Anyone want to RP with Yugoslavia? :S

Are you quitting already?

Me? I'm asking if anyone wants to RP with me ;_;

I would if I could, but I've got a potentially contentious southern neighbor...

Now I feel a bit insulted, me? Contentious?

You havent seen anything yet! Wait until I start the nuke program.

Now I feel a bit insulted, me? Contentious?

You havent seen anything yet! Wait until I start the nuke program.

I will wait to intervene at that time :D.

ooc: been busy with school hope to post up and get involved tommorow


whoa I totally just confused another thread for this one somehow..

man maybe I should go to bed now

Anyone want to RP with Yugoslavia? :S
Sounds good. What did you have in mind? (by the way i'm italy/greece)

And on a different note entirely, does anyone else think having a region on NS for SYAE would be good idea? Or am I just day dreaming again?

It's not bad... Although I don't think most people would be too interested.

fair enough.. in future i'll stick to plotting to take over the world in three easy steps.

Sounds good. What did you have in mind? (by the way i'm italy/greece)

And on a different note entirely, does anyone else think having a region on NS for SYAE would be good idea? Or am I just day dreaming again?

Meeting of diplomats, discussing borders (we share borders via Italy and Greece, Macedonia for me is maybe a want for Greece?)

mmmm, maybe form a monopoly on the mediterranean? mwhaha. anyways yeah diplomacy etc its all good!

Monopoly on the Mediterranean?! Keep that up and face the Yugoslavian army on Greece!

...speaking of armies, do we use our NS populations or is there a certain formula to determine our population?

My bad.. I'll keep my imperial visions of glory to myself in future.. Anyways i think its between page 7 - 10 says RL populations? I think. but then again, i am Emperor, so maybe you shouldnt trust me..

Map! (http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f125/fukuoka_yakuza/syae-3.png)

Map! (http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f125/fukuoka_yakuza/syae-3.png)
Did you notice that Iceland is claimed by Naasha?

Anyway, good work with the map!

Uhuh, great work there.. :)

Tejas: How do we determine our populations? RL populations?

Tejas: How do we determine our populations? RL populations?

Yes, RL populations.
Btw, anyone knows which economies are used? NS or RL?

At a guess i would say RL? Seeing as population is Rl..

I've been asking the same question about economy, since I'm more lenient about that...

although again, I'd prefer RL in some form or another...

OOC:
Yeah but for those of us who have small ass claims, RL economies would suck. That and trying to find economics for the nations that I have claimed will take forever and they would be minute and I wouldn't be able to attack anyone. I'd prefer NS Economics to RL Economics.

OOC:
Yeah but for those of us who have small ass claims, RL economies would suck. That and trying to find economics for the nations that I have claimed will take forever and they would be minute and I wouldn't be able to attack anyone. I'd prefer NS Economics to RL Economics.

You make an extremely good point. Maybe it should be Ns economies but RL population?

Just do what I did, I used RL economies for a base and then went from there, if you compare my listed economies to the figures on the CIA World Factbook mine are typically higher, I think I stayed pretty close, only increasing my overall economic situation by roughly 15%, my GDP is almost exactly $2 trillion now, which is 1/6th of the United States and Europe Union (seperate, not combined) and right in between the United Kingdom and Germany, although I think the UK actually has a stronger economy than my nation if we compared them head to head. I increased mt GDP per capita on the basis that unification would reduce trade barriers between my claimed nations, resource sharing would make my new nation almost self sufficent, and our consolidated trade platform would give my nation more leverage in international trade. Finally, I didn't want to be dirt poor and I didn't want to RP my nation as a world power, hence why economy will still be considered weak when compared to the US, Eurasia, China, Russia and the Nordic Kingdom especially when taking into account GDP per Capita but by putting most of my resources into the Army and Air Force while making the Navy of lower priority I can maintain the status of a regional power with a formidable Army but lacking sufficent force projection to be able to force say.. the United States or China to bend to my will. In my RPing I plan to get what I want mostly through arrogance, such as my Ludwik Doctrine which is my way of saying if you attack anyone in Eastern/Central Europe (including Nordic Kingdom, Yugoslavia, Russia and Italy/Greece and maybe even should I so choose) I will help them to defend themselves.

It's just like school, you don't have to be the biggest or toughest kid, as I was far from that category, but by simply being cocky and arrogant I was able not necessarily bully people, but not have to get in any fights because (like the Marines) people assume if you're that cocky you can back it up.

Just do what I did, I used RL economies for a base and then went from there, if you compare my listed economies to the figures on the CIA World Factbook mine are typically higher, I think I stayed pretty close, only increasing my overall economic situation by roughly 15%, my GDP is almost exactly $2 trillion now, which is 1/6th of the United States and Europe Union (seperate, not combined) and right in between the United Kingdom and Germany, although I think the UK actually has a stronger economy than my nation if we compared them head to head. I increased mt GDP per capita on the basis that unification would reduce trade barriers between my claimed nations, resource sharing would make my new nation almost self sufficent, and our consolidated trade platform would give my nation more leverage in international trade. Finally, I didn't want to be dirt poor and I didn't want to RP my nation as a world power, hence why economy will still be considered weak when compared to the US, Eurasia, China, Russia and the Nordic Kingdom especially when taking into account GDP per Capita but by putting most of my resources into the Army and Air Force while making the Navy of lower priority I can maintain the status of a regional power with a formidable Army but lacking sufficent force projection to be able to force say.. the United States or China to bend to my will. In my RPing I plan to get what I want mostly through arrogance, such as my Ludwik Doctrine which is my way of saying if you attack anyone in Eastern/Central Europe (including Nordic Kingdom, Yugoslavia, Russia and Italy/Greece and maybe even should I so choose) I will help them to defend themselves.

It's just like school, you don't have to be the biggest or toughest kid, as I was far from that category, but by simply being cocky and arrogant I was able not necessarily bully people, but not have to get in any fights because (like the Marines) people assume if you're that cocky you can back it up.

Here's a game; Guess which of us is the from the Bank...

NS-adjusted economies is a good idea. This is where you take your GDP per capita and use your RL population to extrapolate the GDP for your country right?

It's probably easier than combining the respective GDPs of every country, but my concern is that my NS economy is much stronger than the RL economy of China [per capita at least...] - so that means I get more money than RL China, and I don't think that that would be fair by any standard [considering that my NS economy is also somewhat weak too...]

All that work to take Cape Verde without destroying much went down the drain, thanks to Eurasian Efforts.

Whee! That's the Eurasian spirit: If we can't have it, **** those that try to have it. :p

Whee! That's the Eurasian spirit: If we can't have it, **** those that try to have it. :p

That sounds like my philosophy for when I was a 5 year old, BL. :P

Ouch...that hurts :p But if I can't have the Cape Verde Islands, then Granate certainly can't...though I would be willing to split the islands between us.

Ouch...that hurts :p But if I can't have the Cape Verde Islands, then Granate certainly can't...though I would be willing to split the islands between us.

Sorry, I'm a little brother. Zee beeg br0 is 19 and in college, I was annoying him last night.

Anyways, Slobodan Rosbanivic is my president. Yay for combining RL and NS names.

As long as I get the southern half. I am willing to take it. The Confederacy considers the American's Traitors against them. We would rather work with the Eurasians then the Americans now.

In diplomatic release to all countries with embassies with the LAS

The LAS senate is having a hard time figuring out what exactly this war is about, and would like to clarify we are not taking any actions against any countries as of yet. We invite all countires to converge in Panama city and discus the war so that we can understand. If any country would like to sway the LAS congress we ask that you send a representative to speak in the senate hearing on the issue of the war.

Does this thread double as an IC thread?

Does this thread double as an IC thread?

No. If someone wants to create an IC thread, though, that would be great.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=12262784#post12262784
^Here you go (IC THREAD)

Thanks. :)

no problem^

Does anyones think a thread with all current happenings (wars etc.) between nations clearly shown would be a good idea?

I think that it's useful to have all of the important IC developments in one thread [with links to other more extensive RPs] so people have an idea about what is really going on in the world.

Speaking of which, I'm just updating my land military stats, and I'd like to have some critiques. The equipment is just for the Army, and it's all native [from China or Korea - with some foreign tech too...]. Once I have the time, I will fill in information for the Navy and the Air Force, as well as the strategic forces of the Han Empire, but I'd like to know if what I've got is good for the moment.

reader beware, the post is very very long:

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=12231939&postcount=3

Does anyones think a thread with all current happenings (wars etc.) between nations clearly shown would be a good idea?

Sure.

I'll make one if you want, but i missed out on most of the developments with the cape verde islands etc.. so maybe i'm not the best one for the job..

I'll make one if you want, but i missed out on most of the developments with the cape verde islands etc.. so maybe i'm not the best one for the job..

If you want to, go for it. If not, that's fine, too.

In fact, is there anything worth putting on it except the cape verde islands? (by the way ive started it - didnt get very far though..)

Does anyones think a thread with all current happenings (wars etc.) between nations clearly shown would be a good idea?

i think it would be a good idea

It has Been Done:

Overview of Happenings (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=516160)

Anything I've missed? Your suggestion is my command...

Congo--Kinshasa, what is final decision about economies? btw, H-Town Tejas made new map(i think you didn't notice it;) ):

Map! (http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f125/fukuoka_yakuza/syae-3.png)

the overview thread is really great, if I haven't said it already!

I'm finding it very useful to find threads that I didn't even know existed!



EDIT - and a poll:

- is my military thread too long for practical use? I can read it fine, but even I find it troublesome to scroll down so far. If people ask for it, I will separate the branches of the military onto separate posts.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=12231939&postcount=3

Olmedreca;12264403']Congo--Kinshasa, what is final decision about economies? btw, H-Town Tejas made new map(i think you didn't notice it;) ):

I think we'll use RL economies. What do you guys think?

I think RL economies, but they need to be somewhat adjustable. Like, I have Iraq. Obviously, since Iran-Iraq, Desert Storm, and this current quagmire never happened, I'm going to have to adjust that.

I prefer RL economies too; but apart from cases where a war just blew apart most of the infrastructure, I don't think we should mess around with the figures too much. Kinda too easy to get unbalanced.

What about technologies though, has there been a consensus on that?

If it's RL economies, then I'll get set on accruing them...

Despite portions of my territory being under-privileged [i.e. DPRK], I'll use their GDP stats, since, I've got other countries that can fill up the bulk of the remainder in any case. In the end, I'll take the sum of the GDPs for my countries and use it as the sum GDP of my country [with its own GDP per capita rate].

EDIT - I'll be using the GDP PPP rate, since for most people it's higher in the first place and more often the statistic used in comparing economic strengths in the first place.

I second using PPP (since i'm on that already.... :p )

If certain events didn't happen in your RL history, you can edit your economy accordingly. Just don't change it too drastically.

And NS technology is allowed, provided it's modern-tech.

Well, you're really opening a can of worms for me...

My history technically diverges from the RL historical trend from 1388 [when Goryeo sent General Yi Seonggyei to campaign against the Ming].

Just a few points hammer out:

- The Empire was founded in 1390 with the capture of the Yuan capital of Dadu [RL Beijing].

- The Empire formally inherited the Divine Mandate from the Ming in 1602, formally extinguishing the Ming in 1669.

- The Yuan Dynasty still exists in RL Mongolia.

- The Han Empire never went through a recessionist, isolationist stage, owing to the fact that the "expansionist phase" was still in operation when the Europeans came into Asia; in fact, the Han expanded into the Spanish claims in the Philippines with nominal support from other groups, principally because the Spanish refused to pay a dowry [as part of RL China's tributary system].

- The Opium Wars never occurred, and all otther incidents pertaining to the development of harsh modern Chinese [and Asian to an extent] nationalist sentiments.

- The reign of Gojong [circa 1863] began the rise of a "modern" Han Empire, around the same time that Japan did the same IRL; in effect, similar modernization efforts were flowing through the Han Empire is about the same manner [with "Han" characteristics, as the Chinese would say, no doubt...] as they did in RL Japan.

Judging on all that has happened, I'm not certain if the GDP that I have been supplied accurately portrays the development of a "stronger" Han Empire [as compared to RL China]. However, I realize that the large population itself entails a huge advantage; despite having over one-third the GDP per capita of Japan in this scenario [$8000 compared to over $30000] , using only RL stats on my part, my gross GDP out goes Japan's GDP by a factor of 3 [$12tril compared to $4tril].

My question is not to expect people to accept me to increase my per capita rate [and hence my gross GDP] - my question is if it would be alright to increase it somewhat to reflect rather accurate changes in RL Chinese history to procure a better statistic figure for this. Just to say this now, I'm personally only accepting a maximum increase of 100% [more than likely, I'll go with a [I]25% increase if people are not affront to it], so I'm not aiming to make it on par with other nations [because then otherwise, my products wouldn't be as cheap to make then :D]. If people do not wish to see my GDP increased, then please state so - because otherwise, I will assume that it is alright to do so [and I have a general feeling that people will not like my plan for this]. I'll wait until I see a general consensus form.


On another note, I think we should regulate the NS-tech to being on par or lesser than modern RL-tech currently employed, because then this quickly turns into a sparring match to see who can find the best tech for the tech group and patent it in SYAE first. Also, it doesn't clutter up this world with too many uber-tech MT equipment, which is kind of droll when RPing it out. That said, I am not affront to having people RP out new MT technology, appropriate for the current setting, because it rewards them for doing a good job in case point [but I would remind people that construction of stuff takes a long time, especially ships and planes].

Just for reference, I will only be posting statistics for RL equipment currently manufactured [or at a minimum employed] by the respective nations that I control for starters [with anticipated IC development of newer designs etc].


I hope that people find this agreeable.

I think that best solution is if Congo--Kinshasa just says maximum % by what people can rise their GDP above RL level for RP purposes. Otherwise it can get really confuseing then everyone separately start asking permission to rise their GDP because of new and better history they have created for their nation.

About tech, does everyone can have whatever RL tech that is around or only that what their own countries have in RL?

Well, it probably makes sense to increase GDP per captia in your case; on the other hand, I doubt such a history will cause the Chinese population to inflate as drastically as it did in RL over the past few decades. As countries become developed, people tend to start having less babies, you see (birth rate dropped off sharply after WWII in Japan, and like Taiwan or S.Korea slowed to a crawl following the miracle economies of late 60s.

Given the general state of peace and prosperity your people would have been enjoying, I'd think it's reasonable to increase their income by a lot, but cut way back on the number of people too.

I think we should be using the tech that's in our countries in RL? Otherwise, there'll just be a bunch of top-of-the-line techs in every country....

What does everyone else think?

I'm in favor of leaving the issues of economies wide open, just so long as the changes are too drastic. For instance, if I am browsing someone's factbook and they say their GDP per Capita is $54,583 I am going to throw the BS flag and start an open discussion about whether or not that is godmodding. However I don't see anything wrong with a person who has say Somalia, who's GDP per Capita is probably measured in hundreds, not thousands of dollars per year and increases it to like 23,000 dollars on the basis that they made massive overhauls of the economy and infrastructure.

So to sum it up, let's not take an iron fist stand on this issue and leave it up to the individual to decide what is best for them and we will simply police ourselves. Deal?

Okay, before anyone makes a final descision, can someone what GDP per capita reperesents? I am possibly the worst person I know at economics..

Okay, before anyone makes a final descision, can someone what GDP per capita reperesents? I am possibly the worst person I know at economics..

GDP per capita is the total GDP of the country divided by the number of inhabitants of a country; sort of a "Every man's share" thing.

I think we should be using the tech that's in our countries in RL? Otherwise, there'll just be a bunch of top-of-the-line techs in every country....
I agree to this.

And as a free addition to this, it adds reality because you must buy tech from other nations that may have it. Why should you buy something from another country if you can invent/produce it yourself?

It's no fun if every nation has xx Nimitz carriers and xx Seawolf submarines (just examples).

Well, it probably makes sense to increase GDP per captia in your case; on the other hand, I doubt such a history will cause the Chinese population to inflate as drastically as it did in RL over the past few decades. As countries become developed, people tend to start having less babies, you see (birth rate dropped off sharply after WWII in Japan, and like Taiwan or S.Korea slowed to a crawl following the miracle economies of late 60s.

Given the general state of peace and prosperity your people would have been enjoying, I'd think it's reasonable to increase their income by a lot, but cut way back on the number of people too.

I think we should be using the tech that's in our countries in RL? Otherwise, there'll just be a bunch of top-of-the-line techs in every country....

What does everyone else think?

I've decided on a final policy concerning my economy and population:

Since I will increase my GDP by 25%, I will decrease my population likewise by 25%, as a seemingly fair exchange. If someone does not like this, please let me know, so I can see how I can address any issues you have have [within reason...]

I will be using standard RL stats for Iceland, but we already have one of the world's better GDP per capita anyway.

I'd assume that my GDP is going to suck. Ah well.

Thanks for the explanation.. :)

And, Now For Something Completely Different™, does anyone have a mostly catholic country? I have an evil plan.. mwhahaha.

My country is mostly Confucian [although to be honest, it's kind of hard to distinguish Confucianism as a religion anyway... it's more of a political theology than an interpretation of faith...]

Ah well, I Suppose that before I destroy the world and force the survivors to do my bidding, I shall reveal that I will blackmail the pope.. Mwhahaha.

I quit. Really this time. The USA can go ahead with it's conquest of the Carribean Isles and hit my homeland all he wants. He's just making more damage and more mayhem. Peace has come to the islands. All he's doing now is making the situation worse, which like Bush, will end up with Thousands of Americans dead. Trust me, if I had stayed I would been resorted to using Chemical and Biological Agents. Every major nation has them.

Olmedreca;12271297']About tech, does everyone can have whatever RL tech that is around or only that what their own countries have in RL?

Whatever RL tech.

I've decided on a final policy concerning my economy and population:

Since I will increase my GDP by 25%, I will decrease my population likewise by 25%, as a seemingly fair exchange. If someone does not like this, please let me know, so I can see how I can address any issues you have have [within reason...]

I have no objection to that.

I quit. Really this time. The USA can go ahead with it's conquest of the Carribean Isles and hit my homeland all he wants. He's just making more damage and more mayhem. Peace has come to the islands. All he's doing now is making the situation worse, which like Bush, will end up with Thousands of Americans dead. Trust me, if I had stayed I would been resorted to using Chemical and Biological Agents. Every major nation has them.

??conquest of the carribean??
WT??

Whatever RL tech.
So you don't have to buy things from other nations?
This was bad...
That's one of the fun things. Embargos are pretty pointless if nations don't have to trade. And there's no need to try to export military equipment (such as JAS 39, Visby Class corvette and the Gotland class submarine for me). If someone want to have these things, there's no need to contact my government, just use it (and I cannot deny an order of i.e. JAS 39 if your nations is "hostile" towards the Nordic Kingdom, just use it anyway).

And besides this will probably mean that (almost) everybody will use US stuff, which is a bad thing as difference between nations is nice. And the reality is gone, because in RL there are just a couple of Nimitz class carriers, but with this rule there can be a dozen in each country.

Just my two cents...

Whatever RL tech.

What Kopparbergs said. It completely unbalances the game and pretty much, yeah, makes it boring. I mean what's the point in having different nations if they are virtually replicas except for geography? Iceland (just naming a random exmaple, no offense intended) should not have nuclear MIRV ICBM's without good reason.

Good point.

I - for one - will not be using technology not available to my constituent countries, unless I purchase it from someone else [which I have yet to do since it's taking me forever to get all of my naval stats in order...]

It's quiet. Too quiet..

It's only quiet if there's nothing perceived for you to do.

a quick question about Siberia - just exactly who owns what when people refer to Siberia? Because Japan now only currently holds the Far East Federal District [as compared to other districts in Siberia, in contention with claims by the RSFSR, Gashgalabrad(?), and the other guys]. This is kind of important, because I want to know what my neighbors are holding, just in the event that the RSFSR decides to keep its word about attacking its neighbors.

^well, I will only attack the two inactive ones at the moment, since that should clean up the map a little bit. The far east can wait for later...

a quick question about Siberia - just exactly who owns what when people refer to Siberia? Because Japan now only currently holds the Far East Federal District [as compared to other districts in Siberia, in contention with claims by the RSFSR, Gashgalabrad(?), and the other guys]. This is kind of important, because I want to know what my neighbors are holding, just in the event that the RSFSR decides to keep its word about attacking its neighbors.
Right, we need to clarify this. I suggest we find a map of Russia, with the oblast borders marked, and try to find out where the border should go. Either by a rl oblast border or by a river or something. It's kind of important to know exactly what areas everybody controlls.

Siberia, in the geographic sense of the word, would be what I have now PLUS the Siberian Federal District and a chunk west of that. Basically everything west of the Urals. Not that I realised this when I typed Sibera.... So I'm content with just having the Far East Federal District. Well, that and Krasnoyarsk Krai would be cool XD.

But I demand that the land title Siberia officially belongs to me :p

^well, I will only attack the two inactive ones at the moment, since that should clean up the map a little bit. The far east can wait for later...

Great! I thought you forgot about the whole thing....:cool:

a quick question about Siberia - just exactly who owns what when people refer to Siberia?

You'd have to talk to the guy who claimed Siberia about that. Would anyone happen to have a map of Siberia handy?

Err, that'd be me.... Anyway, here http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v391/rmc/Siberia.png

Thanks.

NK gets all of Siberia except the Far East Federal District and Gashgalgabrad. How's that?

The Urals are certainly nice (oil~) but erm, I also claimed Japan too? (Actually it's just that I've done some work on the Far East Federal District already :p)

Personally I think the Urals Federal District should go to Candistan.

The Urals are certainly nice (oil~) but erm, I also claimed Japan too? (Actually it's just that I've done some work on the Far East Federal District already :p)

Personally I think the Urals Federal District should go to Candistan.

Sounds good.


By the way, would anyone here be interested in doing a Cold War RP on a different forum?

Sounds good.


By the way, would anyone here be interested in doing a Cold War RP on a different forum?

Perhaps. Besides Cold War, what sort of time period? As in what year?

Perhaps. Besides Cold War, what sort of time period? As in what year?

The whole thing. Not sure when it would start, though.

By the way, would anyone here be interested in doing a Cold War RP on a different forum?
I've tried that a couple of times, but it always dies due to inactivity. But I've only tried it here on Jolt.

If you can get the neccesary amount of players, I'm in. But I don't know what country I want to RP (maybe you should make a new thread about this).

i can't keep up with SYAE any longer, srry but im renoucing all my claims (india and all that) . thanks and good bye.

No worries. Sorry to see you go. I hope we can still RP together. Take care.

Here's a map of Siberia that I feel is representative of the current land possessions there: [see attachment...]

and here's a link to the Hanseong Conference [ATTN: Newer Kiwiland and Orient]

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=516763

The RSFSR is going to retake the two smaller breakaway states of Gashgalbarash(?) and the other one with the islands whose name escapes me at the moment.

wow - i just realized that my southern neighbor is leaving...

but what has happened with everyone else? I see them online at times, but they rarely make posts now [I'm hoping that sinosyndrome isn't coming upon us...]