NationStates Jolt Archive

Welcome to Earth SYEA (Sigh, Yet Another Earth)! Yes, I realize there are about a bajillion Earths on NS, but in most of them, the good nations are all taken - or at least, most of 'em are. So, I figured, meh, what the hell, why not make one of my own? I don't have many rules thought out yet, I'm sort of making this up as I go along. The only thing I can think of so far is, KEEP CLAIMS REASONABLE. Obviously, the larger the pop. of your NS nation, the more you can claim, but even then, keep it within reason. Anyway, if you have any questions/suggestions, fire away. I hope this Earth can be a successful one.


http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f125/fukuoka_yakuza/syae-3.png
The map, courtesy of H-Town Tejas


IC thread (courtesy of Candistan) (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=12262784#post12262784)


Overview of Happenings (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=516160) (courtesy of St hilarion


Land Claims

The Aeson
Canada
Morocco


Angola
Angola (note: Angola is an NPC [not belonging to anyone], but RPed by me)


Arctica Libertas (Greater Neo-Athenia)
Antarctica


Buristan
Armenia
Azerbaijan
Kazakhstan
Georgia


Chellis
Switzerland


Daehanjeiguk
China, People's Republic of
China, Republic of (Taiwan)
Korea, North
Korea, South
Philippines


Eastern European Union (West Pacific)
Austria
Czech Republic
Hungary
Moldova
Poland
Slovakia
Ukraine


Eurasia (British Londinium)
France
Germany
Ireland
Monaco
New Zealand
Portugal
Spain
Sri Lanka
United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland


Federation of Animarnia
Central African Republic
Chad
Congo, Republic of the
Niger


Gashgalgabrad
Gashgalgabrad (fictitious nation located within Russia)
http://ns.goobergunch.net/wiki/images/Gash.PNG


Gauthic
Cook Islands
Fiji
French Polynesia
Kiribati
Marshall Islands
Samoa
Tokelau
Tonga
Tuvalu
Vanuatu


Heart of Armageddon (Red Tide2)
Brunei
Cambodia
East Timor
Laos
Malaysia
Singapore
Thailand
Viet Nam


The Holy Orthodox Empire of Abyssinia (Anadyr Islands)
Djibouti
Eritrea
Ethiopia
Kenya
Madagascar
Somalia
Sudan
Yemen


ICCD-Intracircumcordei
Bolivia
Chile
Colombia
Costa Rica
Cuba
Dominican Republic
Ecuador
El Salvador
Guatemala
Haiti
Honduras
Mexico
Nicaragua
Panama
Paraguay
Peru
Venezuela


Imperial Songhai Dominion (Amazonian Beasts)
Benin
Burkina Faso
Cameroon
Côte d'Ivoire
Gambia, The
Ghana
Guinea
Guinea-Bissau
Liberia
Mali
Mauritania
Nigeria
Senegal
Sierra Leone
Togo
Western Sahara


Kingdom of Arabia (Olmedreca)
Oman
Saudi Arabia


Naasha
Iceland


Neo-Russia the 2nd
Russia (tiny part)


Newer Kiwiland
Japan
Siberia


The Nordic Kingdom (Kopparbergs)
Denmark (including Greenland)
Finland
Norway
Sweden


Novistrana3
Israel
Jordan
Lebanon
Palestinian-occupied territories
West Bank


Russian Federated Soviet Socialist Republics (Candistan)
Estonia
Belarus
Latvia
Lithuania
Russia (except what's claimed)


Shazbotdom
Equatorial Guinea
Gabon
Tunisia


South American Federation (No Taxes)
Argentina
Brazil
Uruguay


St hilarion
Cyprus
Greece
Italy
Malta


Union of South Africa (Southern Rhodeisia)
Botswana
Lesotho
Malawi
Mozambique
Namibia
South Africa
Swaziland
Zambia
Zimbabwe


United Arab Socialist Republic (H-Town Tejas)
Bahrain
Egypt
Iraq
Kuwait
Qatar
Syria
United Arab Emirates


UnitedStatesOfAmerica-
Bahamas
United States and all outlying territories


Whyatica
Afghanistan
Iran
Turkey
Turkmenistan
Uzbekistan


Yugoslavia (Jaredcohenia)
Albania
Bosnia
Bulgaria
Croatia
Macedonia
Montenegro
Romania
Serbia
Slovenia


Zaire (Congo--Kinshasa)
Burundi
Cabinda (Angolan exclave)
Congo, Democratic Republic of the
Rwanda


Countries currently in conflict
Algeria
Libya

I'd like Ireland, the UK, France, Germany, Spain, Portugal, New Zealand, and Sri Lanka.

ooc... unless it's all ooc anyway: Are made up nations allowed? I'd like to put my nation into some real land somewhere on the planet, rather then vaguely being in the pacific at the equator.

ooc... unless it's all ooc anyway: Are made up nations allowed? I'd like to put my nation into some real land somewhere on the planet, rather then vaguely being in the pacific at the equator.

Yes.

And B.L., your claims are approved.

Could I be referred to as Eurasia?

I'll take Argentina, Brazil and Uruguay and my name for this earth will be the South American Federation. Also, is this MT?

Could I be referred to as Eurasia?

Sure.

I'll take Argentina, Brazil and Uruguay and my name for this earth will be the South American Federation. Also, is this MT?

Approved. And yes, it is MT.

Just the US and its territories. If possible.

Iraq, Syria, Kuwait, Bahrain, Qatar, the UAE, and Egypt as the United Arab Socialist Republic, por favor.

Just the US and its territories. If possible.

It is possible. Your request has been granted. :)

This is South Afirica- I can't use that account because it will not send the validation email, so I'll use this one instead, mmkay

Iraq, Syria, Kuwait, Bahrain, Qatar, the UAE, and Egypt as the United Arab Socialist Republic, por favor.

Approved.

I'll take following regions.

Kiribati, Marshall Islands, Samoa, American Samoa, Fiji, French Polynesia, Cook islands, Howland Island, Baker Island, Vanuatu, Tonga, Kingman Reef, Palmyra Atoll, Tuvalu, Tokelau.

And we are looking to expand.

I'll take following regions.

Kiribati, Marshall Islands, Samoa, American Samoa, Fiji, French Polynesia, Cook islands, Howland Island, Baker Island, Vanuatu, Tonga, Kingman Reef, Palmyra Atoll, Tuvalu, Tokelau.

And we are looking to expand.

You got it.

Hey, Congo, you want me to map this thing?

Hey, Congo, you want me to map this thing?

Yes, please. I would greatly appreciate it. :)

If possible I would like to claim Australia and Indonesia, as well as Papua New Guinea.

If possible I would like to claim Australia and Indonesia, as well as Papua New Guinea.

Very well.

If possible I would like to claim Australia and Indonesia, as well as Papua New Guinea.

Crap.... getting crowded here.

The map! (http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f125/fukuoka_yakuza/earthsyae.png)

All the gray bits between me and Prospera, I'd like those as well.

The map! (http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f125/fukuoka_yakuza/earthsyae.png)

Much appreciated! Thanks! :D

All the gray bits between me and Prospera, I'd like those as well.

Sure thing.

I'll take the world :D

but seriously, I'll try as China, Korea [both], Taiwan, and the Philippines [although omens have it, every time I try as china the RP dies...] If China is out of the question, I'll have just Manchuria and Japan in its place [everything else the same]. Or whatever if nothing works... I'll figure it out... eventually...

I'll take the world :D

but seriously, I'll try as China, Korea [both], Taiwan, and the Philippines [although omens have it, every time I try as china the RP dies...] If China is out of the question, I'll have just Manchuria and Japan in its place [everything else the same]. Or whatever if nothing works... I'll figure it out... eventually...

Approved.

Approved.

Is there anything to do in advance or do we sit around waiting for more to show?

Prospera already has opened diplomatic relations with me.

Hmmm, well diplomacy is a good start.

Is there anything to do in advance or do we sit around waiting for more to show?

What do you have in mind?

I claim this http://nationsonline.planegate.com/wiki/images/b/b7/Gash.PNG

Can I take Japan, and perhaps Manchuria or Siberia?

Can I have Kenya, Somalia, Sudan, Ethiopia, Djibouti and Eritrea as The Holy Orthodox Empire of Abyssinia?

Edit: Not to sound greedy, but I'd like to make it interesting and have Yemen or Madagascar thrown into my nice,little empire.

BUMP. Just so I don't end up being the thread killer.

Can I take Japan, and perhaps Manchuria or Siberia?

Manchuria is taken, but you may have Japan and Siberia.

Can I have Kenya, Somalia, Sudan, Ethiopia, Djibouti and Eritrea as The Holy Orthodox Empire of Abyssinia?

Edit: Not to sound greedy, but I'd like to make it interesting and have Yemen or Madagascar thrown into my nice,little empire.

Approved. Looks like we're going to be neighbors. ;)

Ok, so what do we do now? Do you have an IC RP board for us?

or are we creating factbooks?

We don't have an IC board. We do our RPing in I.I. Feel free to do any sort of RP you like. And if you wish, yes, you may make factbooks.

We should label related rps with a "SYAE" so that we know they are related to this earth.

We don't have an IC board. We do our RPing in I.I. Feel free to do any sort of RP you like. And if you wish, yes, you may make factbooks.


Er, I.I. ? Sorry, I'm a n00b because I don't RP very often. Anyway, if it requires a link, may I have it please?

Er, I.I. ? Sorry, I'm a n00b because I don't RP very often. Anyway, if it requires a link, may I have it please?

You're in II. II is International Incidents.

All right then... I'll start something, I guess. Just to get us started.

I'll give this earth a try.

The Kingdom of Kopparbergs want form a Nordic Kingdom, hence I want to claim:

Sweden, Norway, Denmark and Finland.

You can call me The Nordic Kingdom for this earth.

EDIT:
Also, it would be good to have a link to the map in the first post, together with all the claims.

This Earth looks good..

The Empire of Saint Hilarion would like to claim A small mediterranean island chain consisting of:

Cyprus, Crete and Malta (unless crete is officially a part of greece??)

I would take Saudi Arabia and Oman if possible.

I'm going to create a factbook, if nothing else. What ix the extent of our MT tech? And are we doing indigenous techs?

Can I have a small itty-bitty part of Russia? We'll say Russia was nuked and most of the land is still uninhabitable! (That is if there are no objections)

By indigenous technology do you mean today's technology? Personally I'd prefer just a little bit into the future of today (Before anything too spacey comes into play i. e. colonies on the Moon and Mars)

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=515137

tentative, but in work

Latin American States

http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/3690/earthsyae29jy.png

That would be Mexico, the other central american countries, and any non attached caribean territories such as Cuba, but not overseas territories of countries such as the us.

The northern south american countries such as columbia, equador etc..

If at all posible.. I'm interested in doing a 'latin american block.


These countries would be:

* Bolivia
* Chile
* Colombia
* Costa Rica
* Cuba
* Dominican Republic
* Ecuador
* El Salvador
* Guatemala
* Haiti
* Honduras
* Mexico
* Nicaragua
* Panama
* Paraguay
* Peru
* Venezuela


Latin American countries already claimed
------------
* Brazil (south american federation)
* Argentina (south american federation)
* Uruguay (south american federation)
I'm geussing British Londinium also has these outlying territories
* French Guiana (france) (British Londinium)
* Guadeloupe (france) (British Londinium)
* Martinique (france) (British Londinium)
* Aruba (netherlands) (British Londinium)??
* Bonaire (netherlands) (British Londinium)???
* Curaçao (netherlands) (British Londinium)??
and the United States of America has
* U.S. Virgin Islands
* Puerto Rico


it's a bunch of territories but most of them are quite small.

Invitation to a coronation:

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=515160

Factbook/Diplomacy/News (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=515139)

This is my factbook, but I plan on use it as an embassy thread and a news thread as well. So, if you want diplomatic relations, post there.

Can we get an updated map now? That'd be awesome. I appreciate the old map, and a clearly marked new map would be as appreciated.

May I claim Russia, the Baltic States and Belarus under the name of the RSFSR (Russian Federated Soviet Socialist Republics)? My NS pop is 1.135 Billion.

Speaking of NS populations, I don't think they should be used for RP purposes. The Earth just isn't meant for these gigantic population numbers we have. Plus, it would mean that Iraq, Kuwait, Qatar, the UAE, Syria, and Egypt would have more than four times the population of China, the Koreas, Taiwan, and the Phillipines. If you want to use NS populations to figure out how much land people will get, that's fine, but for the RP, we should use RL populations.

is any part of this earth left?

http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f125/fukuoka_yakuza/syae.png

Updated map, has everyone who's been approved on it.

Updated! All claims approved.

is any part of this earth left?

Yes. Most of Europe, a large part of Africa, and virtually all of South Asia (plus a few Middle Eastern countries) are left.

World diplomatic conference (everyone is invited!) (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=12234247#post12234247)

http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f125/fukuoka_yakuza/syae.png

Updated map, has everyone who's been approved on it.

Awesome, thanks.

There are some other US owned islands in the carribean. But they aren't big enough to be marked on the map.

I'm not sure where Howard, Jarvis, Guam, or American Samoa are located on this map.

There are some other US owned islands in the carribean. But they aren't big enough to be marked on the map.

I'm not sure where Howard, Jarvis, Guam, or American Samoa are located on this map.

Some of the hunter green dots on the far right side of the map in the west pacific, that's where they are.

The Empire of St. Hilarion, on review of it's current situation, would also like to claim Greece and Italy (especially the islands) if at all possible.

Signed,
Emperor Saint Hilarion XI

May I claim Russia, the Baltic States and Belarus under the name of the RSFSR (Russian Federated Soviet Socialist Republics)? My NS pop is 1.135 Billion.
Welcome! We'll be neighbors in this earth too, but you'll be way bigger than me!

I am The Nordic Kingdom: Sweden, Norway, Denmark and Finland.

Can I have a small itty-bitty part of Russia?

You should specify which part of Russia, otherwise its hard to put you on map and you may end up in northern siberia:P

btw, official name of my territory is "Kingdom of Arabia".

ok, i would to claim India, Pakistan, Myanmar (Burma), and Bangladesh

oh and can i have Andorra(the little dot between France and Spain)


Thank You

The free nation of Greater Neo-Athenia wishes to lay claim to the continent of Antarctica, henceforth to be known as Arctica Libertas.

The free nation of Neo-Athenia (now Greater Neo-Athenia, as the original died off due to lack of use and the new version's posts "need to be validated by a moderator", which has yet to happen once) claims the continent of Antarctica, henceforth to be known as Arctica Libertas. We hope to establish diplomatic relationships with all other nations on this planet soon.

I am in the process of making a factbook, but I still have several questions.

1) Will the economies of our nations be from the RL nations or should our economies be based on our NS stats, just adjusted for population?

2) Same question for militaries, are they based off the RL nation or our own NS nation?

3) Lastly, do we assume the population of the RL nations we control, which I think would be more reasonable, or do we use our NS population?

Too... many... people... too... many... names... to... create... ugh... ouch...

To all new folk: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=515160

I will have your invitations up and running once I get something to work out...

Speaking of NS populations, I don't think they should be used for RP purposes. The Earth just isn't meant for these gigantic population numbers we have. Plus, it would mean that Iraq, Kuwait, Qatar, the UAE, Syria, and Egypt would have more than four times the population of China, the Koreas, Taiwan, and the Phillipines. If you want to use NS populations to figure out how much land people will get, that's fine, but for the RP, we should use RL populations.

I sorta agree with that idea --- having approximate RL turn over - but we can leave room for changes - or falloffs as I'm playing as the L.A.S. not ICCD.

Map Update (http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f125/fukuoka_yakuza/syae-1.png)

To New Russia the 2nd, or whatever...take that advice. You're in Northern Siberia.

I would like Switzerland.

Yay! I'm rich in iron! Ok Northern Siberia will do.

Oh yeah are waters international?

The End of an Era (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=515283)

That's the beginning of my sneaky annexation of Libya.

Yay! I'm rich in iron! Ok Northern Siberia will do.

Oh yeah are waters international?

The waters between my islands are mine. For the rest of the spread of my nation's territory, look to maritime law.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=12236475#post12236475

My disguised invasion of Andorra.

Could I take hold to:

Mauritania, Mali, Burkino Faso, Benin, Western Sahara, Senegal, Gambia, Guinea Bissau, Guinea, Sierra Leone, Liberia, Ivory Coast, Ghana, Nigeria, Cameroon, and Togo?

It may seem like a lot, but it's smaller tha Russia, China, The US, either of the other American claims, or the Australian claim-not to mention that my NS nation has a significant population.

In addition, if I could go by the "Imperial Songhai Dominion" for this Earth's purposes, so that Amazonia isn't in Africa (which would be odd)...plus it's a history tie.

A fleshing post

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=515291

Some of the hunter green dots on the far right side of the map in the west pacific, that's where they are.

ah. Ok. Why are they all green? Or rather, there are so many islands in that part of the pacific that it's kind of hard to see what's what and not all the islands in the area are represented on the map.

Perhaps we should rp as the US islands are among those not presented on the map. Kind of like how Wake is a US territory but not big enough to be on the map. But still need at least a dot or something to represent American Samoa.

British Londinium should have a couple of dots in the area too and some in the south atlantic and indian ocean to represent the French and British owned possessions unless he doesn't want them.

Forgot that if we do it that way, Easter Island and the Galapagos would be part of LAS, technically.

ah. Ok. Why are they all green? Or rather, there are so many islands in that part of the pacific that it's kind of hard to see what's what and not all the islands in the area are represented on the map.

Perhaps we should rp as the US islands are among those not presented on the map. Kind of like how Wake is a US territory but not big enough to be on the map. But still need at least a dot or something to represent American Samoa.

British Londinium should have a couple of dots in the area too and some in the south atlantic and indian ocean to represent the French and British owned possessions unless he doesn't want them.

Forgot that if we do it that way, Easter Island and the Galapagos would be part of LAS, technically.

I took those american islands, as well as the british, french, and others' islands when my nation seceeded from america. We are sick of your "representative" government. You do not lower taxes, something we all vote for. You do not reduce spending on luxuries, we did not elect you to helicopter and limo ownership. You do not streamline the bureacracies, we never voted for redundant program after redundant program each with the same job and not a single one getting it done.

We could not affect the democracy with our votes. Therefore it was no longer a democracy. We left. What are you going to do about it?

I took those american islands, as well as the british, french, and others' islands when my nation seceeded from america. We are sick of your "representative" government. You do not lower taxes, something we all vote for. You do not reduce spending on luxuries, we did not elect you to helicopter and limo ownership. You do not streamline the bureacracies, we never voted for redundant program after redundant program each with the same job and not a single one getting it done.

We could not affect the democracy with our votes. Therefore it was no longer a democracy. We left. What are you going to do about it?

I had already claimed those in my post with America and its outlying territories. And I think someone said you could have the claims you put in for with the exception of the American possessions.

EDIT: And besides, I was going to start an rp to sell you American Samoa and Jarvis and Howard Islands.

I had already claimed those in my post with America and its outlying territories. And I think someone said you could have the claims you put in for with the exception of the American possessions.

EDIT: And besides, I was going to start an rp to sell you American Samoa and Jarvis and Howard Islands.

Well both of our claims on the american pacific territories were approved. And my claim on them is marked on the map with my nation's hunter green color.

And, since we are seperatists from the USA, it makes sense we'd also take US territories in our leave. If you want to RP out the disagreement, that'd be great.

Though, I really don't see why America would mind the loss of just a few thousand square kilometers, and the re-adjusting citizen ship of less then 100,000 people (only 20,000 of which were in US Territory at the time of the move.)

The real question isn't so much "what will you do about it?" as it is "why do anything?".

To the two other nations with Russian lands, the RSFSR (The biggest Russian Claim) sent out a message to you in this thread>http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=515297

Well both of our claims on the american pacific territories were approved. And my claim on them is marked on the map with my nation's hunter green color.

And, since we are seperatists from the USA, it makes sense we'd also take US territories in our leave. If you want to RP out the disagreement, that'd be great.

Though, I really don't see why America would mind the loss of just a few thousand square kilometers, and the re-adjusting citizen ship of less then 100,000 people (only 20,000 of which were in US Territory at the time of the move.)

The real question isn't so much "what will you do about it?" as it is "why do anything?".

I think it would be less than a few thousand square kilometers. It's just a few small islands. That both the claims were approved is kind of confusing. But yeah, we can rp it out. How does something along the lines of a secessionist referendum in return for a security alliance rp sound? I'm looking at Greenland & Bahamas at the moment anyway.

I'd like Canada and Morroco please.

All claims have been approved. I shall add them now.

I am in the process of making a factbook, but I still have several questions.

1) Will the economies of our nations be from the RL nations or should our economies be based on our NS stats, just adjusted for population?

2) Same question for militaries, are they based off the RL nation or our own NS nation?

3) Lastly, do we assume the population of the RL nations we control, which I think would be more reasonable, or do we use our NS population?

I use RL economies and populations, but if others want to use their NS stats, they can.

Updated!

Updated Map for me and Aeson:

http://usera.imagecave.com/WR82/syaemap.PNG

http://usera.imagecave.com/WR82/syaemap.PNG

Updated map with everyone. (http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f125/fukuoka_yakuza/syae-2.png)

I use RL economies and populations, but if others want to use their NS stats, they can.

I'd prefer RL economics and populations too, almost to the point that they're mandatory, but that is debatable.

I'm going to use my NS stats, simply because they're so similar to the RL ones.

Updated map with everyone. (http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f125/fukuoka_yakuza/syae-2.png)

I liked my map better...

Anyway:

if we can use our NS stats, and since Nigeria has so many people and a lot of industry, I may simply use my NS stats...Africa is a big place, after all.

I personally think that we should either all go with NS stats or RL stats. For my country if I use NS stats I have a population of over 2 billion and a GDP of around 100 Trillion Dollars. Yet there is no way a population and economy this size could be accomodated in Brazil, Uruguay and Argentina. We should assume the populations of the RL countries we control, then use the NS economy stats after adjusting them for different populations.

I personally think that we should either all go with NS stats or RL stats. For my country if I use NS stats I have a population of over 2 billion and a GDP of around 100 Trillion Dollars. Yet there is no way a population and economy this size could be accomodated in Brazil, Uruguay and Argentina. We should assume the populations of the RL countries we control, then use the NS economy stats after adjusting them for different populations.

I agree...

Thread for Greenland and Bahamas. Need some one to rp Greenland and Bahamas if possible.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=12237401#post12237401

I used it to clarify the pacific thing to make the islands at issue part of Gauthic. To avoid a potential ooc conflict in the future. I hope that is ok with everyone.

The Songhai moves on Algeria (so far it's internal, but it'll spread soon, and fast).

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=12237570#post12237570



Could we get a list of all RPs of SYAE on the Original Post?

I want to use NS stats.

I want to use NS stats.
--- I don't since I see this as sort of a secondary escapade from my ICCD rping. was looking for a sorta psuedo early MTy type RP

I think starting a country for ratings (civilrights economics and political rights might be ok... but I'm indifferent to useing what is already established as far as old countries

that is just my opinion thought and I'm geussing that some may agree with you


(to a certain extent I can see bending the context.. but keeping some type of reasonable timeline might be good.. but once again just my opion.. having an alternate earth is fine.. just if it gets too different then the earth thing becomes totally just geographic for terrain to rather than being earth, but I geuss some people are looking for that. (the national basis makes little sense if it is only applicable to boundries.

I think it is fine to develope an alternate timeline etc.. but as far as having 50+ billion people on the planet that point has already been raised

I'm personally in favor of NS stats, but if desired, we can do a vote on it.

I want to use NS stats.
So you can have 8.7 billion people in Switzerland?

We should do rl stats. Cause NS stats are unrealistic. Plus NS stats can give people unfair advantages. the use of rl stats kind of levels the playing field a bit.

It's getting very very crowded on this earth.

the comment unfair advantages coming from the US player

I think we should assume the RL populations of the countries we control, but then use our NS nation economic stats after adjusting them for the different population. For example my GDP per Capita of $48,000 would be the same but my NS total GDP of $100 trillion would become a much more reasonable $10 trillion considering the populations of Argentina, Brazil and Uruguay.

Sounds good.

I think we should assume the RL populations of the countries we control, but then use our NS nation economic stats after adjusting them for the different population. For example my GDP per Capita of $48,000 would be the same but my NS total GDP of $100 trillion would become a much more reasonable $10 trillion considering the populations of Argentina, Brazil and Uruguay.

Yay! We have our own NSwiki category! (http://ns.goobergunch.net/wiki/index.php/Category:SYAE_nations)

The reason I picked the lands I picked was because I intended to use my NS stats.

Prospera has the same population as Gauthic in NS stats, and they have all of Autralia and Indonesia...

One of the problems I planned on needing to RP soon was the overcrowding.

ICCD-Intracircumcordei;12237687']the comment unfair advantages coming from the US player

??

So you can have 8.7 billion people in Switzerland?

Exactly.

I'd like to claim Poland, Ukraine, Austria, Czech Republic, Slovakia, Hungary and Moldova if possible. Name, hmm, Eastern European Union will work for now.

I'd like to claim Poland, Ukraine, Austria, Czech Republic, Slovakia, Hungary and Moldova if possible. Name, hmm, Eastern European Union will work for now.

Approved.

I support useing RL stats for both populaton and economy. About adjusting NS economy to RL population, I don't like it very much(gives China and India quite big advantage) but i could tolerate it. But if useing NS population is allowed then I quit.

Olmedreca;12238455']I support useing RL stats for both populaton and economy. About adjusting NS economy to RL population, I don't like it very much(gives China and India quite big advantage) but i could tolerate it. But if useing NS population is allowed then I quit.

Hey, I’m thinking of Claiming Greenland and Iceland. But I don't want to if you put the RL pop rule in. it’s dumb. It gives some people big advantages to the point were they wank there way to everything. Believe me its stupid.

I want Hawaii please. Or is it considered a part of USA?


Also, what about Alaska?

Hey, I’m thinking of Claiming Greenland and Iceland. But I don't want to if you put the RL pop rule in. it’s dumb. It gives some people big advantages to the point were they wank there way to everything. Believe me its stupid.

Talking about unfair advantages, with NS stats there would be people with more than 8 billion people. I have less than 20 millions.

I agree, I would help make up new stats for you all.

Olmedreca;12239364']Talking about unfair advantages, with NS stats there would be people with more than 8 billion people. I have less than 20 millions.

Then there should be a % of your NS pop you can use. Because RL pops are jsut to wanky.

Then there should be a % of your NS pop you can use. Because RL pops are jsut to wanky.

QFT. I don't support the "RL rule", but as a change, why not allow NS nations with up to 750 million to use their entire NS pop, and for the others, cap the pop at 750 million?

As for the stats, I'm still working on that.

Yay! We have our own NSwiki category! (http://ns.goobergunch.net/wiki/index.php/Category:SYAE_nations)

nice:cool:


i vote we use RL stats too...

Hey, I’m thinking of Claiming Greenland and Iceland. But I don't want to if you put the RL pop rule in. it’s dumb. It gives some people big advantages to the point were they wank there way to everything. Believe me its stupid.

What do you think happens with NS stats? People use them to wank.

It can't just be straight up RL stats or pure NS stats because both sides leaves someone(s) getting S-K-R-U-D screwed. There should be some sort of norming process to make it fair for all involved.

Although I know it's been requested by America, I personally would like to ask for Greenland and possibly Iceland too, and nothing more, if that is allowable.

Although I know it's been requested by America, I personally would like to ask for Greenland and possibly Iceland too, and nothing more, if that is allowable.

You should join the America welcome rp as Greenland for the time being until they decide to approve your request.

We can turn it into an rp about a government being set up in Greenland or some such.

nice:cool:


i vote we use RL stats too...

And exactly how would that accomodate for the made-up countries, or the Unions, etc.?

It wouldn't.

And exactly how would that accomodate for the made-up countries, or the Unions, etc.?

It wouldn't.

maybe people should do some research of rl countries. If Peru and Bolivia were joined in one nation, you'd have a very powerful country in South America. They did it real life once but every one in the area ganged up on them and forced them to become seperate nations again.

maybe people should do some research of rl countries. If Peru and Bolivia were joined in one nation, you'd have a very powerful country in South America. They did it real life once but every one in the area ganged up on them and forced them to become seperate nations again.

Still, the made up countries-Neo Russia II? That thing by Russia and China and Kashmir?

The Pacific Island chain and the Greenland guy would be totally overmatched, as well.

This coming from the person who would Benifit the most from the RL rule.

I agree with capping the NS pop, off at 750 mil. that sounds fair.

Exactly-750 mil would be a level playing field, and we could have a set growth rate (based on a variety of factors) from there.

What do you think happens with NS stats? People use them to wank.

This coming from the person who would Benifit the most from the RL rule.

I agree with capping the NS pop, off at 750 mil. that sounds fair.

Although I know it's been requested by America, I personally would like to ask for Greenland and possibly Iceland too, and nothing more, if that is allowable.

I already claimed them

You should join the America welcome rp as Greenland for the time being until they decide to approve your request.

We can turn it into an rp about a government being set up in Greenland or some such.

Again I already claimed Greenland and Iceland.

This coming from the person who would Benifit the most from the RL rule.

I agree with capping the NS pop, off at 750 mil. that sounds fair.

No. The people who China, Europe, and parts of Russia would benefit more than I would.
The guy running China, Taiwan and the Phillipines has a distinct advantage over me.
Both guys in Latin America are on equal footing. Heck they both have bigger populations as does virtually everyone else. Comparably speaking, I've one of the smallest populations on this earth. Only about 300 million compared to a billion or so for China and both Latin States, not to mention the super countries in Africa and the Middle east.
The only ones I can think of that would have a smaller pop would be Greenland and the Gauthic and Switzerland. But not everyone can be a cheif. We need some people to be nonpowers too.

Whereas you as an old nation, would have an unfair advantage over everyone else here if we used NS stats.

I like the cap of 750 million (nearly typed billion) idea. Actually, that's only slightly above my RL population, and let's face it, there's plenty of room in Canada to stick the leftovers.

No. The people who China, Europe, and parts of Russia would benefit more than I would.
The guy running China, Taiwan and the Phillipines has a distinct advantage over me.
Both guys in Latin America are on equal footing. Heck they both have bigger populations as does virtually everyone else. Comparably speaking, I've one of the smallest populations on this earth. Only about 300 million compared to a billion or so for China and both Latin States, not to mention the super countries in Africa and the Middle east.
The only ones I can think of that would have a smaller pop would be Greenland and the Gauthic and Switzerland. But not everyone can be a cheif. We need some people to be nonpowers too.

Er, actually, China, Taiwan, and the Phillipines would have quite a disadvantage.

The USA has the largest GDP on Earth. 3rd largest population. Even with the Unions, the USA would still have a significant pop. The only other person who may come close to rivaling the US would be Eurasia, for controlling several Top-10 GDP countries (France, Britain, Germany).
Pop ain't everything. Not to mention that the US is still the Strongest force on Earth (heck, Latin America v the US wouldn't be much).

No. The people who China, Europe, and parts of Russia would benefit more than I would.
The guy running China, Taiwan and the Phillipines has a distinct advantage over me.
Both guys in Latin America are on equal footing. Heck they both have bigger populations as does virtually everyone else. Comparably speaking, I've one of the smallest populations on this earth. Only about 300 million compared to a billion or so for China and both Latin States, not to mention the super countries in Africa and the Middle east.
The only ones I can think of that would have a smaller pop would be Greenland and the Gauthic and Switzerland. But not everyone can be a cheif. We need some people to be nonpowers too.

Whereas you as an old nation, would have an unfair advantage over everyone else here if we used NS stats.

Notice how the nonpower argument applies to NS stats too?

Also, there's a general consensus that NS stats don't count as an unfair advantage, anymore than (for example) higher levels in a MMORPG would.

Both guys in Latin America are on equal footing. Heck they both have bigger populations as does virtually everyone else. Comparably speaking, I've one of the smallest populations on this earth.
Not really, Brazil, Argentina and Uruguay (my country) have a combined population around 213 million, which is still quite a bit less than yours. You definitely do not have one of the smallest populations on this Earth.

No. The people who China, Europe, and parts of Russia would benefit more than I would.
The guy running China, Taiwan and the Phillipines has a distinct advantage over me.
Both guys in Latin America are on equal footing. Heck they both have bigger populations as does virtually everyone else. Comparably speaking, I've one of the smallest populations on this earth. Only about 300 million compared to a billion or so for China and both Latin States, not to mention the super countries in Africa and the Middle east.
The only ones I can think of that would have a smaller pop would be Greenland and the Gauthic and Switzerland. But not everyone can be a cheif. We need some people to be nonpowers too.

Whereas you as an old nation, would have an unfair advantage over everyone else here if we used NS stats.

Although i do agree that there has to be some small guys. Who really wants to be the small guy? I think caping it off at 750 would be the best thing to do.

Although i do agree that there has to be some small guys. Who really wants to be the small guy? I think caping it off at 750 would be the best thing to do.

Start with a cap of 750 mil and just have a set growth rate. That way, we can all advance, the little guys can advance through the big guys warring and getting cut down, while still having the little guys grow (cause Greenland will need quite a bit of that). Stuff stays fair, so there's no 2 billion pops (if you want 2 billion pops, I'd oblige :P)

Start with a cap of 750 mil and just have a set growth rate. That way, we can all advance, the little guys can advance through the big guys warring and getting cut down, while still having the little guys grow (cause Greenland will need quite a bit of that). Stuff stays fair, so there's no 2 billion pops (if you want 2 billion pops, I'd oblige :P)

I think thats a very good idea. We will jsut wait for the Head to aprove it. Oh and I am taking Greenland and iceland. Name it the Republic of Greenland.

Since Monaco and Andorra are in the middle of my territory, and I doubt anyone would want them, I would like to add them to my claim.

Er, actually, China, Taiwan, and the Phillipines would have quite a disadvantage.

The USA has the largest GDP on Earth. 3rd largest population. Even with the Unions, the USA would still have a significant pop. The only other person who may come close to rivaling the US would be Eurasia, for controlling several Top-10 GDP countries (France, Britain, Germany).
Pop ain't everything. Not to mention that the US is still the Strongest force on Earth (heck, Latin America v the US wouldn't be much).

Except that the US wouldn't want to take on a country as big as latin america. And you don't need a super high GDP to have a good military. You just have to be able to stop other countries from interfering in your affairs.
There is no reason why, with all the oil, gold, natural gas, and other resources Latin America has, they can't have a first world economy and use it to build themselves a first rate military.
Do you realize how much resources Africa as a whole have? If the African nations got together, they'd be a powerhouse.
Same with Europe. Europe still has a lot of natural resources. And oil isn't the only thing found in the middle east.
In this earth, the US realizes all this, that is why they are trying to make nice with everyone. Help someone when they are getting established, and hopefully they'll help you when you need it. A lot of the nations the US has offered friendship and aid too, could easily over take the US economically speaking if their rpers wanted to rp them doing so.
Even Greenland has valuable natural gas, and fish and other resources. And their are oil fields off the coast of Iceland that should belong to Iceland but in rl, they're unfairly claimed by the UK just because the UK went to war with Iceland and beat Iceland and forced the Icelanders to give up their oil fields.

All you have to do is research the resources of the rl countries that make up your SYAE nations and you'd find that your nations have a wealth of resources that could put them on equal footing with the US. With that, the US economic superpower status would also decrease because of the law of supply and demand.
Such power being based on the fact that in rl, everyone accepts the dollar. That's where America's economy gets its strength from. Now remove that from this earth and the US economy, even if it isn't at the start, ultimately becomes just another economy just like everyone elses.

Not really, Brazil, Argentina and Uruguay (my country) have a combined population around 213 million, which is still quite a bit less than yours. You definitely do not have one of the smallest populations on this Earth.

Actually you'd have 231.5 million according the CIA world factbook stats.

Cap the NS pop at 700 mill (the max that Iran can hold).

Have people deduct population figures from wars they have on their territories. And I'd agree to that.

Except that the US wouldn't want to take on a country as big as latin america. And you don't need a super high GDP to have a good military. You just have to be able to stop other countries from interfering in your affairs.
There is no reason why, with all the oil, gold, natural gas, and other resources Latin America has, they can't have a first world economy and use it to build themselves a first rate military.
Do you realize how much resources Africa as a whole have? If the African nations got together, they'd be a powerhouse.
Same with Europe. Europe still has a lot of natural resources. And oil isn't the only thing found in the middle east.
In this earth, the US realizes all this, that is why they are trying to make nice with everyone. Help someone when they are getting established, and hopefully they'll help you when you need it. A lot of the nations the US has offered friendship and aid too, could easily over take the US economically speaking if their rpers wanted to rp them doing so.
Even Greenland has valuable natural gas, and fish and other resources. And their are oil fields off the coast of Iceland that should belong to Iceland but in rl, they're unfairly claimed by the UK just because the UK went to war with Iceland and beat Iceland and forced the Icelanders to give up their oil fields.

All you have to do is research the resources of the rl countries that make up your SYAE nations and you'd find that your nations have a wealth of resources that could put them on equal footing with the US. With that, the US economic superpower status would also decrease because of the law of supply and demand.
Such power being based on the fact that in rl, everyone accepts the dollar. That's where America's economy gets its strength from. Now remove that from this earth and the US economy, even if it isn't at the start, ultimately becomes just another economy just like everyone elses.

How bout this. The people that claim somthing. They get the pop of there nation if there NS nation has a less pop than what they claimed has. Then they wait till there NS pop gets bigger to use that.

How bout this. The people that claim somthing. They get the pop of there nation if there NS nation has a less pop than what they claimed has. Then they wait till there NS pop gets bigger to use that.
But what about the people with NS populations of 8.7 billion?

But what about the people with NS populations of 8.7 billion?

People? Plural?

But I believe that's where the 750 million cap comes in.

How bout this. The people that claim somthing. They get the pop of there nation if there NS nation has a less pop than what they claimed has. Then they wait till there NS pop gets bigger to use that.

I'd agree to that but with the 700 million cap.

USA embargo thread:

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=515440

I'd agree to that but with the 700 million cap.

Sounds good to me.

Sounds good to me.

Can you take over rping Greenland in the America Welcome thread. I know someone was already doing it but if you're going to be Greenland it would make sense for you to do it.

Can you take over rping Greenland in the America Welcome thread. I know someone was already doing it but if you're going to be Greenland it would make sense for you to do it.

Sure, sounds good to me. i'll work on a factbook tonight to. This is MT right? Can we use NS storefronts? Are Superdreads in? Whats in and out?

Could I possibly claim The Netherlands, Belgium, Luxembourge, as well as the remaining Caribbean Islands, the Falkland Islands, The Azores, The Canaries, and finally São Tomé and Príncipe?

Just an FYI, I'm a Glorious People's Republic.

Strong Socialist, beginning to lean towards communist. Major industries are given to the corporate sector, but I keep a close eye on them, and there's a law that allows the President-For-Life to nationalize them at the drop of a hat.

Just an FYI, I'm a Glorious People's Republic.

Strong Socialist, beginning to lean towards communist. Major industries are given to the corporate sector, but I keep a close eye on them, and there's a law that allows the President-For-Life to nationalize them at the drop of a hat.

Can i get a link to the Welcome America thread?

Can i get a link to the Welcome America thread?

From me? Nope.

From me? Nope.

lol, sry I clicked quote.

Greenland thread.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=12237401#post12237401

Claims list has been updated.

And yes, NS storefronts and made-up technology are allowed, PROVIDED they are MT and realistic.

I would like my nation to be called the The Low Confederation. References to the Low Countries.

I'll grab the rest of unclaimed Southeast Asia, South America, and the West Indies.

I'll grab the rest of unclaimed Southeast Asia, South America, and the West Indies.

I think the West Indies are a crown colony of Eurasia.

I'd like the Iran and -istan area (Turkmenistan, Afghanistan, and Turkey because Pakistan is already taken)

Alright then, just unclaimed Southeast Asia, South America, and Eastern Europe. Any territory previously claimed is off limits, understandably.

we could use an updated map

Since Monaco and Andorra are in the middle of my territory, and I doubt anyone would want them, I would like to add them to my claim.

Andorra is already part of my claim

Oh, and if we stick with RL populations, the guy playing Antartica really gets screwed over.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=12241381#post12241381
RSFSR Embassy Thread

Just realized-my claim came with Algeria, per the OP.

I'll switch my RP's focus to Niger to cover this.

Could el map maker please stick Algeria in the Dark Purple color?

Claims list has been updated.

And yes, NS storefronts and made-up technology are allowed, PROVIDED they are MT and realistic.

So are we using the 700 million cap with growth rule? I need to know. Oh and BTW Greenland is in my claims also. US said I can RP it.

im a little confused, what kind of stats are we going to use?

Sure, 700 mil I suppose (no one else is commenting).
We need to decide on an acceptable growth rate-and a time scale. What's a year? What's a month? Should we include negative growth rates? etc.
So are we using the 700 million cap with growth rule? I need to know. Oh and BTW Greenland is in my claims also. US said I can RP it.

Are you a mod on this earth?

So are we using the 700 million cap with growth rule? I need to know. Oh and BTW Greenland is in my claims also. US said I can RP it.

Sure, 700 mil I suppose (no one else is commenting).
We need to decide on an acceptable growth rate-and a time scale. What's a year? What's a month? Should we include negative growth rates? etc.

Just realized-my claim came with Algeria, per the OP.

I'll switch my RP's focus to Niger to cover this.

Could el map maker please stick Algeria in the Dark Purple color?

I don't know if that's a typo Congo made, just something to signify you're going on a crazy-fool imperialist quest to take it over, or what. So, when he tells me, I'll put it in.

So... when is the Map updated?

oh yeah Congo, could you name my claims as "the Indian Federation"

(including Andorra as well)

I don't know if that's a typo Congo made, just something to signify you're going on a crazy-fool imperialist quest to take it over, or what. So, when he tells me, I'll put it in.

Ok, cool.
If it's a typo, I'll stick to my original purpose.

(Once again, another reason why we should have the threads on the OP...)

When the Revolution comes. So get your AK and make it happen! :p

Seriously, right now. The latest. (http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f125/fukuoka_yakuza/syae-3.png)

Um, I have Greenland. lol check the US welcomes thread.

So... when is the Map updated?

When the Revolution comes. So get your AK and make it happen! :p

Seriously, right now. The latest. (http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f125/fukuoka_yakuza/syae-3.png)

When the Revolution comes. So get your AK and make it happen! :p

Seriously, right now. The latest. (http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f125/fukuoka_yakuza/syae-3.png)

Revolution's just short (or long) for change after all...the Proletariot demands it [/commie].

When the Revolution comes. So get your AK and make it happen! :p

Seriously, right now. The latest. (http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f125/fukuoka_yakuza/syae-3.png)

eh. Your link doesn't work.

Works fine for me.

I was wondering, are we allowed to begin IC Conquests? Because the Cape Verde and Canary Islands are calling me.

Bah, only 700 million? Ohh well, I suppose I can do with that, even though I would have prefered my NS pop :/

As far as I know these are some of the lands still open. Trying to go by the not so up to date claims list. Any one else want to help compile of land that is still available?



Commorros
Cape Verde
Mauritius
Romania
Urkaine
Italy
San Marino
Vatican
Chad
Brunie
Singapore
Malaysia
Turkey
Jordan
Israel
Lebanon

Works fine for me.

I was wondering, are we allowed to begin IC Conquests? Because the Cape Verde and Canary Islands are calling me.

the Canaries should be considered a colony of Eurasia since they're part of Spain in rl.. But that's up to the OP.

I'd agree with the USA here; I think all nations ought to have the miscellaneous islands lying around their nations.

Wait, since I own Spain, and the Canaries are a part of Spain, aren't the Canaries in Eurasia?

Works fine for me.

I was wondering, are we allowed to begin IC Conquests? Because the Cape Verde and Canary Islands are calling me.

Go for it. :)

the Canaries should be considered a colony of Eurasia since they're part of Spain in rl.. But that's up to the OP.

Yes, when someone claims a country, they get that country's territories, as well. I.e., if you claim the U.S., you get Puerto Rico. If you claim Portugal, you get the Azores. Etc. Of course, you can always fight people for them...

I don't know if that's a typo Congo made, just something to signify you're going on a crazy-fool imperialist quest to take it over, or what. So, when he tells me, I'll put it in.

I marked it as his since he's going to invade it anyway. Of course, it still has to be RPed completely.

oh yeah Congo, could you name my claims as "the Indian Federation"

(including Andorra as well)

Sure thing.

While you're on, just making sure you didn't miss my claims, I'm asking for Turkey, Afghanistan, Turkmenistan, and Iran. Under the 'Imperial Meritocracy of Whyatica'.

Wait, since I own Spain, and the Canaries are a part of Spain, aren't the Canaries in Eurasia?

They should be. I think wiki has an article of what the europeans own in the world. Same with the US. Unless you want to let someone have the Canaries.

I marked it as his since he's going to invade it anyway. Of course, it still has to be RPed completely.

Cool. Next time you do the list can you fix it to put Greenland under Dwil...
I just forgot how it's spelled but I think you know who I mean.
We had an agreement on Greenland.

you guys don't realize how hard it is to get you Chinese names [I have to get the name, and since my cpu doesn't type pinyin, I've got to do it manually via symbols...]... ugh... I'm waiting until the world is completely full before I start doing another batch of people...

you guys don't realize how hard it is to get you Chinese names [I have to get the name, and since my cpu doesn't type pinyin, I've got to do it manually via symbols...]... ugh... I'm waiting until the world is completely full before I start doing another batch of people...

lol

you guys don't realize how hard it is to get you Chinese names [I have to get the name, and since my cpu doesn't type pinyin, I've got to do it manually via symbols...]... ugh... I'm waiting until the world is completely full before I start doing another batch of people...

On that note, what i think we all need to do is relax until the world has filled up.

On the subject of RL vs NS populations? Why must it be one or the other?

Some people are only occupying lands for RP purposes and would best go with their RL populations. Others, took their lands partly based on the NS engine (such as myself) and would do best with NS stats for the time being.

And some people can't really have either. Their NS Population is too small or too big and they claimed a lot of land that it's difficult to determine the full effect of taking.

The original rule layed down sounds best. "Be reasonable."

in my opinion [whatever it is worth], if you want to have an NS entity, you might as well quit and make your own world that isn't modeled on Earth, because when you take to make an RP based on the Earth, one generally assumes that you want to use RL stats for your country. If I wanted to have a uber country that stacks 2 billion people into 5 sq.km of land, I would stick to the general NS community where that sort of stuff is possible. Otherwise, people having whatever other population would be corrupting the RP play, which either benefits those people who are using older entities or those who aren't [and it doesn't benefit both...]. I personally think that a RL stat [population at the least] is necessary to maintaining a survivable Earth experience. You shouldn't give merit to someone who has an older country, simply because it is older - you should give merit based on a person's attitude to make a good roleplay. And generally, NS entities tend to be excessively uberwanked... so I personally don't find them "good" or "roleplay".

But again, that's my opinion. Take it or leave it - it's not like I make the decisions around here anyway.

Aye, in the end it is about the roleplay. And from what I have seen, most currently in the SYAE are great roleplayers.

in my opinion [whatever it is worth], if you want to have an NS entity, you might as well quit and make your own world that isn't modeled on Earth, because when you take to make an RP based on the Earth, one generally assumes that you want to use RL stats for your country. If I wanted to have a uber country that stacks 2 billion people into 5 sq.km of land, I would stick to the general NS community where that sort of stuff is possible. Otherwise, people having whatever other population would be corrupting the RP play, which either benefits those people who are using older entities or those who aren't [and it doesn't benefit both...]. I personally think that a RL stat [population at the least] is necessary to maintaining a survivable Earth experience. You shouldn't give merit to someone who has an older country, simply because it is older - you should give merit based on a person's attitude to make a good roleplay. And generally, NS entities tend to be excessively uberwanked... so I personally don't find them "good" or "roleplay".

But again, that's my opinion. Take it or leave it - it's not like I make the decisions around here anyway.

in my opinion [whatever it is worth], if you want to have an NS entity, you might as well quit and make your own world that isn't modeled on Earth, because when you take to make an RP based on the Earth, one generally assumes that you want to use RL stats for your country. If I wanted to have a uber country that stacks 2 billion people into 5 sq.km of land, I would stick to the general NS community where that sort of stuff is possible. Otherwise, people having whatever other population would be corrupting the RP play, which either benefits those people who are using older entities or those who aren't [and it doesn't benefit both...]. I personally think that a RL stat [population at the least] is necessary to maintaining a survivable Earth experience. You shouldn't give merit to someone who has an older country, simply because it is older - you should give merit based on a person's attitude to make a good roleplay. And generally, NS entities tend to be excessively uberwanked... so I personally don't find them "good" or "roleplay".

But again, that's my opinion. Take it or leave it - it's not like I make the decisions around here anyway.

But RL stats doesn't give merit to people based on RP ability, etc. It gives it to them based on who grabbed what land first.

People who don't deserve what they claim will lose the right to the lands that they claimed, regardless of how much or when they claimed it. Unfortunately, meritocracy isn't egalitarian, but it's certainly better than a lot of other means available.

Yes, when someone claims a country, they get that country's territories, as well. I.e., if you claim the U.S., you get Puerto Rico. If you claim Portugal, you get the Azores. Etc. Of course, you can always fight people for them...
So that means I have Greenland as it's a part of Denmark in RL?

So that means I have Greenland as it's a part of Denmark in RL?

Yes. Sorry for the mix-up, folks.

So that means I have Greenland as it's a part of Denmark in RL?

I'd have to agree with that. Forgot it was part of Denmark.

PLease we would like to claim Israel and the sinai. and for them to be under Novistrana3 rule.

Sinai = part of Egypt

Egypt has been claimed. Sorry. However, you may certainly have Israel, as well as the West Bank and the Palestinian territories, if you wish.

i shall take isreal the west bank and the plastian teratories to be put under Novistrana3 rule

Approved. :)

can we have lebanon to as with the israel lebanon war to you know make us look good

Sure thing.

Could Congo--Kinshasa as starter of this RP make some final decision about populations and also put that rule on the first post so that there would be no confusion?

Olmedreca;12242255']Could Congo--Kinshasa as starter of this RP make some final decision about populations and also put that rule on the first post so that there would be no confusion?

I haven't decided yet. We'll probably do a vote.

may we please have all the unclamied countrys in the middle east.
as to expand our influence

I'll throw in Jordan, how's that?

thanks go ahead thanks again

You're welcome.

You're welcome.

I think we have our first SYAE enthusiast. lol

I think we have our first SYAE enthusiast. lol

lol :p

Could Ukraine please be added to my claims list? It was in my original claim but was probably overlooked or forgotten when it came time to updating the list. Please and thank you.

So that means I have Greenland as it's a part of Denmark in RL?

Ok, Since I jsut got screwed out of Greenland. I would like to Claim israel, the West Bank, Gaze Strip, and Syria Instead.

No... Again US gave me Greenland...

But it's not US's to give...

But it's not US's to give...

nvm I edited my post.

nvm I edited my post.

Ah. For what it's worth, I was thinking about making some deal with the US that would keep them out of it while I annexed you anyways. Is that comforting?

Ah. For what it's worth, I was thinking about making some deal with the US that would keep them out of it while I annexed you anyways. Is that comforting?

? What?

Olmedreca;12242762']Aren't they claimed?

ARG... wtf IS not claimed here?

Ok, Since I jsut got screwed out of Greenland. I would like to Claim israel, the West Bank, Gaze Strip, and Syria Instead.

Aren't they claimed?

ARG... wtf IS not claimed here?

edit: I suggest Iran and countries around it(Afganistan, Turkmenistan and Caucasus countries)

Ireland (Eurasia's claim is listed only as Northern Ireland I believe)

Bits of Europe and South America, I think.

Largish bits of Africa.

Olmedreca;12242762']Aren't they claimed?



edit: I suggest Iran and countries around it(Afganistan, Turkmenistan and Caucasus countries)

Arn't They Claimed to?

Ok I'd like to Claim Iran, Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan, Afghanistan, and Tajikistan.

Olmedreca;12242827']Oh, Im veeery sorry :( Looks like they are claimed(didn't notice it earlier):

Its under Reserved. So idk if he claimed them.

Oh, Im veeery sorry :( Looks like they are claimed(didn't notice it earlier):

While you're on, just making sure you didn't miss my claims, I'm asking for Turkey, Afghanistan, Turkmenistan, and Iran. Under the 'Imperial Meritocracy of Whyatica'.

edit: dunno, i have no idea what that "reserved" means here
(Sidenote, i hate that timejumping)

As an additional (and final) claim, the Empire of St. Hilarion would like to claim Slovenia, Croatia, Bosnia + Herzegovina, and Albania, unless they have already been claimed.. (which i dont think anyone has done..)

I say give Dweladelfia prime a shot at them first, since he got kicked out of Greenland.

As an additional (and final) claim, the Empire of St. Hilarion would like to claim Slovenia, Croatia, Bosnia + Herzegovina, and Albania, unless they have already been claimed.. (which i dont think anyone has done..)

Hold on now, you made your claim, either RP an invasion or leave it be, give others a chance to make a claim. Hell half the map is already divided between like four nations because some people went ape shit when making their claims.

Fair enough - I take that back...

Factbook for The Nordic Kingdom:

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=515537

So i really need to know whether I can Claim Iran, Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan, Afghanistan, and Tajikistan?

So i really need to know whether I can Claim Iran, Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan, Afghanistan, and Tajikistan?

Whyatica already claimed Afghanistan, Turkey, Iran and Turkmenistan back on page 11, post #152 or there about. I'd suggest you grab what's left of Eastern Europe (Slovenia, Romania, Serbia and Montenegro, Croatia, etc.) before that's all gone too, but not Ukraine, even though it was accidently left of on the claims list that is the part of my claim.

Anyone else having problems with the map?

Ah. For what it's worth, I was thinking about making some deal with the US that would keep them out of it while I annexed you anyways. Is that comforting?

The US probably wouldn't stand by while the Nordic Kingdom's territory was violated.

Ok, Since I jsut got screwed out of Greenland. I would like to Claim israel, the West Bank, Gaze Strip, and Syria Instead.

Those are taken by Novistrana3. But there are other lands available still.

Sorry about Greenland.

Olmedreca;12242762']Aren't they claimed?



edit: I suggest Iran and countries around it(Afganistan, Turkmenistan and Caucasus countries)

The stans are taken as far as I know.
I think Iran might still be available.

Ireland (Eurasia's claim is listed only as Northern Ireland I believe)

Bits of Europe and South America, I think.

Largish bits of Africa.

Eurasia has all of Ireland

That one guy took the last two peice of South America.

There's still land in Africa or rather there should be.

The nation of Chad is still available i believe

could use an update for the map.

Maybe someone can work something out with Eurasia and Nordic Kingdom to give up a colony or two to free some land for claiming.

I worked out such a deal with Gauthic to give him Howard and Jarvis islands and American Samoa so his country didn't have to be so tiny.

I know that Eurasia has hundreds of island colonies scattered throughout the world cause of Britain and France and Spain and Portugal being parts of his country. So he has what ever colonies they have.

The nation of Chad is still available i believe

DP should be given first dibs at it then. In my opinion.

The following are territories of the US:

Puerto Rico
US Virgin Islands
Guantanamo
Navassa Island (between Jamaica, Cuba, and Haiti)
Jarvis Island (will be holding referendum on joining Jarvis since I could not remember if it was Jarvis or Baker that I gave to Guathic)
Kingman Reef
Johnston Atoll
Palmyra
Wake Island
Midway Island


Former territories: (voted to join the new state of Gauthic)
Howland
Baker
American Samao (by joining Guathic it lost its representative and Senate representation in congress).

On a side note, it would be interesting if the US Pacific territories got together to become a state. But so far only Guam is applying for commonwealth status. Too bad Congress is putting up a lot of roadblocks irl.

Would it be possible to claim Persia and Afghanistan?

They are both taken already.

Olmedreca;12244071']I think that group of balcan countries are still unclaimed: Romania, Bulgaria, Serbia, Montenegro, Croatia, Bosnia, Slovenia, Albania and Macedonia.
Im not 100% sure but I haven't noticed anyone makeing claim on them.
Also kazakhstan(dunno about other central asian countries), mongolia, thai, vietnam, laos, cambodia, malaysia, brunei and east timor seem to be free.(again not 100% sure about all of them)

I believe you are correct on all counts, however given how dweldia prime or however it is spelled as been seemingly screwed over on multiple occasions I think it only fair he gets first dibs at those.

I think that group of balcan countries are still unclaimed: Romania, Bulgaria, Serbia, Montenegro, Croatia, Bosnia, Slovenia, Albania and Macedonia.
Im not 100% sure but I haven't noticed anyone makeing claim on them.
Also kazakhstan(dunno about other central asian countries), mongolia, thai, vietnam, laos, cambodia, malaysia, brunei and east timor seem to be free.(again not 100% sure about all of them)

Dweladelfia:

Take Niger, Chad, and the CAR. They are all African Countries, and all still open.
Or you could go with Italy and Tunisia.

Both are good picks.

If you're seriously screwed, I'll give you Cameroon, and you could try your best with that (maybe take Equitorial Guinea and the countries around as well).

Or you could go with Italy and Tunisia.

He can't take Italy as its taken already.

edit: btw, owner of france(British Londinium) should also get french guyana(french colony in south america)
edit2: and same thing with UK and Falklands

Olmedreca;12244170']He can't take Italy as its taken already.

Alright, screw the Italy/Tunisia idea.

Go with the CAR/Chad/Niger idea.

You know what would be crazy?

Maybe, letting him have GREENLAND for purposes of this RP and to encourage competition.

I think that we need to slow down with the claims already. It's hard to read the traffic.

I also think it would help if we had an updated map...

OOC: Anybody had Canada?