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OOC: Whatever happened to the NIgerian troops sent to Britain?

ooc
they are there, but I have no instructions regarding their deployment.

Japan withdraws all troops with the exception of the HQ unit from China, and withdraws the sale of the Mirage V's for the moment. All able bodied mal and females not doing necesary work begin training with veterans military units, and begin building trenches and defensive positions. Unused ships in harbors are mined and readied for detonations, as are important installations. Planned Troops Placements:

Okinawa: Flak Unit, Garrison Unit
Kuril Islands: Garrison Unit
Tokyo: Flak Unit, Garrison Unit, Mt. Brigade, Light Infantry Division
Sapporro: Flak Unit, Garrison Unit, Light Infantry Division
Kyoto: Garrison Unit, Light Infantry Division, Flak Unit
Yokohoma: Garrison Unit, Light Infantry Division, Flak Unit, Parachute Brigade
Fukuoka: Mt. Brigade, Parachute Brigade
Hiroshima: Mt. Brigade, Flak Unit, Parachute Brigade
Nagasaki: Mt. Brigade, Parachute Brigade, Flak Unit

The Fleet will be in Yokohoma with the 4 Mirage V units, and the Helicopter Units are with the parachute brigades

The Philippines asks what the Japanese are planning to push back into the sea? WHat invasion force are they so worried about?

The Philippines asks what the Japanese are planning to push back into the sea? WHat invasion force are they so worried about?

OOC:
*runs about*

The Americans are coming the Americans are coming!!

Nah only joking I have no idea what he is doing...

Americans are still crossing the Pacific for that matter and no one really knows what they are doing as they haven't announced anything, although several nations notice the rather large fleet steaming west and worry a bit.


I'm a little worried about this

OOC: OHHH!!!! Well an invasion of the rest of the SCT could just have the US explode again in anarchy and lose even more face in relation to the world. Though the US image with the rest of the world probably can't get much dirtier.

OOC: OHHH!!!! Well an invasion of the rest of the SCT could just have the US explode again in anarchy and lose even more face in relation to the world. Though the US image with the rest of the world probably can't get much dirtier.

ooc
I call your attention to this post
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11265953&postcount=66

although for all the Philippines knows at this point the US might decide it wants its Colony back, or for all the Japanese know, the Americans might be invading again. Although thinking about it, the Japanese military probably realizes the US would probably start with nuclear strikes first if they were serious

by the end of February though it becomes clear

CHina and Indochina famine relief
what was pledged
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11265740&postcount=64

what is needed
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11264355&posted=1#post11264355

The pledged amount is changing rapidly downward due to the war in Europe and other problems

China and Indochina famine relief
what was pledged
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11265740&postcount=64

what is needed
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11264355&posted=1#post11264355

The pledged amount is changing rapidly downward due to the war in Europe and other problems

Indochina is actually completely capable of emergency feeding it's own population (40 points a year) however I would like to know how long we have to keep feeding these people for.

Then I guess China will starve, which is a good thing (less population to support in the long run).

Then later on, probably when China gets back up, I'll probably institute an artifical population boom by giving tax breaks to families who try to have more than 4 children each or something to that effect- directly opposite of RL China's population control measures.

Then I guess China will starve, which is a good thing (less population to support in the long run).

Though it does mean massive civil unrest. Which could lead to a new goverment being installed or just the frgmentation of China into warlord states.

Though it does mean massive civil unrest. Which could lead to a new goverment being installed or just the frgmentation of China into warlord states.

The civil unrest can't do squat if China doesn't have enough food to feed itself, and blame can be squarely levelled on the Western nations like US, UK, etc. who have cut aid to China.

Indochina is actually completely capable of emergency feeding it's own population (40 points a year) however I would like to know how long we have to keep feeding these people for.

ooc
can't tell you yet, I don't know if any body else is going to start launching nukes.. its still possible. Hopefully will know by the 17th

Sharina, actually its the Americans fault, and then the CSPS for attacking Greece and triggering a war in Europe and then AF/Omani saber rattling

oh, I'm pretty much just watching this thread and I saw that and was worried. There are also 2 ETU-95, 2 MiG-25 and 3 Mirage III all with expert pilots in Yokohoma there.

Also, will militia units or something be risen by the training?
And Finally, what's the time speed, like 1 RL day is 1 week?

OOC: Actually I doubt the US would try to get it's colony back. There is a reason why the US gave the Philippines it's freedom in 1946. Probably the same one as in RL. The Philippines is not a place you want to get embroiled in a guerrilla war. The Japanese and the Americans spent millions and then billions of dollars to keep it under wraps, and still had problems. THe modern Philippines to this day still has guerrillas in it's jungles. It's even worse than Vietnam because it's a mess of islands. I doubt the US wants to occupy an island group that would devolve and have 35 million rebels against them in jungles. THe financial and personal costs would throw the US into a literal civil war. THe people of the United States would just have enough. It'd be the final straw. Not to mention there is no need. What resources does the Philippines have that the US doesn't already own. And it's not like we're a massive Facist power or anything. So I'm not worried.

CSPS forces February 21, 1964

ADJUSTED FOR LOSSES DURING THE OPENING OF CONVENTIONAL WARFARE AS WELL AS LOSSES SUFFERED DURING NUCLEAR STRIKES AGAINST TURKEY AND OSLO AS WELL AS LOSSES SUFFERED AND MISSILES USED ON THE DESTRUCTION OF EGYPT

Scandic Union
Air Force
8 MIG25, 4 Mirage V, 1 Tu95, 1 Tu16, 1 Tu22, 1 ETU95, 1 KC97 Tanker, 4 AH units, 22 pilots
Navy
1 Nuclear attack submarine, 2 Ballistic missile subs, 4 destroyer squadrons (8 DDG), 1 nuclear heavy missile cruiser, 2 nuclear anti-aircraft cruiser,
Nuclear forces
30 2nd generation IRBMs, 48 3rd generation ICBMs (all solid fuel, MIRVed)
Army
1 HQ, 2 garrison units, 4 armored divisions, 4 flak units, 3 artillery groups, 3 mechanized divisions, 4 mountain infantry brigades, forts at the Faeroe Islands, Kiel, Petrograd

Polish Forces
Air Force
14 MIG 25, 5 Tu22, 2 Tu16, 1 KC97, 1 Tu 107, 1 ETU95, 6 gunship, 4 transport helo, 22 pilots,
Navy
2 destroyer squadrons (4 DDG) , 1 nuclear heavy missile cruiser, 3 SSN
Army
2 HQ, 9 armored divisions, 5 infantry corps, 6 mech divisions, 2 mech arty groups, 2 airborne brigades,

Ukrainian Forces
Air Force
14 MiG 25’s, 5 Tu 22s, Tu 107, 2 ETU95, 6 AH, 1 transport, 29 pilots,
Navy
4 destroyers, 2 nuclear attack subs, 2 nuclear power heavy missile cruisers
Army
2 HQ, 2 infantry corps, 4 garrisons, 5 mech flak divisions, 11 armored divisions, 8 mech divisions, 4 mech arty groups

Turkish Forces
Air Force
1 Mig 25, 1 Tu22, 1 ETU95, 2 AH, 7 pilots,
Navy
1 Nuclear powered heavy cruiser
Army
2 HQ, 4 light infantry divisions, 4 mechanized divisions, 2 armored divisions, 1 special forces brigade, 1 mountain brigade

CAR Forces
Air Force
1 Mirage V, 1 Tu22, 3 pilots
Army
1 HQ, 2 armored divisions, 2 mechanized divisions, 2 infantry corps, 1 garrison unit

Kashgaria (neutral)
4 garrison units, 1 Mig 25, 1 pilot

Azerbaijan (neutral)
1 MIG25, 1 Mirage V, 1 Tu22, 3 pilots, 2 flak units, 1 garrison unit, 2 infantry corps

Current deployments
Northern Front
Scandic: 1 HQ, 2 armored divisions, 2 mechanized artillery groups, 1 mechanized division, 2 gunship units, 2 pilots organized as 1st Army (advancing on Novgorad)
Polish: 1 infantry corps, 2 airborne brigades, 2 transport helicopter units, 2 pilots organized as 2nd Army (advancing on Pskov)
1 Scandic garrison unit at Petrograd

Ukrainian Front
Ukranian: 2 armored divisions, 2 mechanized divisions, 1 artillery group, 1 flak group and 2 attack helicopter units, 2 pilots as the 3rd Army (at Rostov)
4 armored divisions, 3 mechanized divisions, 2 artillery groups, 1 flak group, 1 HQ, and 2 attack helicopter units, 2 pilots as the 4th Army (advancing on Voronezh)
3 armored divisions, 2 mechanized divisions, 1 artillery group, 1 flak group, 1 infantry corps and 1 HQ unit as the 5th Army (advancing on Orel)

Thracian Front
Turkish: 2 armored divisions, 4 mechanized infantry divisions, 2 HQs as 6th Army (fighting in Thrace and besieging Adrianople and Istanbul)
1 mountain brigade (Rhodes), 1 Marine brigade (various Greek islands), 1 light infantry division, 1 mountain brigade (Crete),
plus 2 light infantry divisions recalled for disaster relief at Izmer and Ankara
plus 1 light infantry division watching Syrian border

in reserve available for operations in Thrace or the Aegean or anywhere in Turkey are 3 Scandic SF mountain brigades, 2 Turkish Marine brigades,

Bug River Front (Rumanian / Ukrainian Border)
Ukraine: 1 garrison unit

Reserve forces as yet not committed or tied down at home:
Scandic Union
1 Garrison unit at Kiel (1 division needed to help out with damage to Oslo, concerns exists about weakness of home defense and Russian SF raids in Karellia)
Available Air units that can reach any front:
8 MIG25, 4 Mirage V, 1 Tu95, 1 Tu16, 1 Tu22, 1 ETU95, 1 KC97 Tanker, 4 AH units, 22 pilots (1 pilot available for immediate transition to reserve aircraft, with Mig pilots available for transition as well)

Poland
2 HQ, 9 armored divisions, 4 infantry corps, 6 mech divisions, 2 mech artillery groups
Available air units that can reach any front:
14 MIG 25, 5 Tu22, 2 Tu16, 1 KC97, 1 Tu 107, 1 ETU95, 6 gunship, 4 transport helo, 30 pilots (no reserves but 14 Mig pilots can transition to other aircraft)

Ukraine
2 armored divisions, 1 mechanized division, 1 infantry corps, 3 garrison units available
Available air units that can reach any front:
14 MiG 25’s, 5 Tu 22s, Tu 107, 2 ETU95, 6 AH, 1 transport, 29 pilots (no reserves but Mig pilots can use different aircraft)

Turkey and the CAR have no other reserves

Available aircraft storage: 17 Drakan fighter bombers (located in Central Asia and pilots have to be sent there to man them via Ukraine-Turkey-Azerbajain-Central Asia and then back. To do this, the Scandic Union, Poland and Ukraine will each have to provide an air transport and pilot which can be obtained from their national airlines. It generally takes 2 weeks to replace a Mig25 with a Drakan fighter bomber including retraining time for the pilot)

8 Mirage V and 10 Kfir fighter bombers are en route or will be if all goes as planned.


In addition, Polish and Scandic Naval units remain active against the RN, and Turkish and Ukrainian naval units remain active in the Aegean Sea.

OOC: Actually I doubt the US would try to get it's colony back. There is a reason why the US gave the Philippines it's freedom in 1946. Probably the same one as in RL. The Philippines is not a place you want to get embroiled in a guerrilla war. The Japanese and the Americans spent millions and then billions of dollars to keep it under wraps, and still had problems. THe modern Philippines to this day still has guerrillas in it's jungles. It's even worse than Vietnam because it's a mess of islands. I doubt the US wants to occupy an island group that would devolve and have 35 million rebels against them in jungles. THe financial and personal costs would throw the US into a literal civil war. THe people of the United States would just have enough. It'd be the final straw. Not to mention there is no need. What resources does the Philippines have that the US doesn't already own. And it's not like we're a massive Facist power or anything. So I'm not worried.

OOC
Just remember that from the Filipino point of view, the US beat it in 1900-02, granted it independence, was allied to it, and then from the American point of view the Filipinos picked the Asians (including the Japs who INVADED THE PHILIPPINES) over the Americans when the chips were down in 1961 and war threatened, and then broke a treaty and used military force to do so in 1964 when the US was in a de facto state of war with China and Indochina. So many thoughtful Filipinos would be worried. Now in the game you and I both know the US isn't going to invade (it would more likely nuke you anyway and save the troops for more productive uses) but IC wise your leadership should be at least mildly concerned.

oh, I'm pretty much just watching this thread and I saw that and was worried. There are also 2 ETU-95, 2 MiG-25 and 3 Mirage III all with expert pilots in Yokohoma there.

Also, will militia units or something be risen by the training?
And Finally, what's the time speed, like 1 RL day is 1 week?

ooc
your military leadership looks at the US fleet of 12 carriers, 12 heavy air wings, and US bases within easy range at Guam and remembers the last US invasion of Japan and worries. So reaction is very accurate IC wise.

SIC: With South Africa now participating in the war, Russia asks them to take Bouvet Island from the SU.

OOC:
http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/bv.html is a good source for information. It probably is uninhabited, and seems unimportant, but it has long term benefits.

Also, how many pilots does Russia recieve from foriegn sources (affects my builds)

SIC: With South Africa now participating in the war, Russia asks them to take Bouvet Island from the SU.

OOC:
http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/bv.html is a good source for information. It probably is uninhabited, and seems unimportant, but it has long term benefits.

Also, how many pilots does Russia recieve from foriegn sources (affects my builds)

ooc
Will be working on various anti CSPS (I am not sure its really a formal alliance yet) forces tonight and tomorrow...

at least 9 US pilots (3 helicopter pilots, 4 fighter pilots, 1 bomber pilot, 1 tanker pilot plus the aircraft except for the 3 helicopters which are already in Russia).. plus 2 Canadian air units with pilots.

Officially, the Americans have joined the Russian Air Force, but pretend to be Canadian on the radio (using Canadian jargon for call signs etc), while their aircraft will be in Russian markings. However, all American piloted aircraft will have a white Siberian Tiger painted on them and are known as the Flying Tigers. Simply because its too much fun to pass up. They will start arriving in March by airlift across the North Pole to Sverdlovsk.

GB, heres the revised ORBAT for the CSPS, your was pretty accurate, just a few things.





Scandic Union
Air Force
8 MIG25, 4 Mirage V, 1 Tu95, 1 Tu16, 1 Tu22, 1 ETU95, 1 KC97 Tanker, 4 AH units, 22 pilots
Navy
1 Nuclear attack submarine, 2 Ballistic missile subs, 4 destroyer squadrons (8 DDG), 1 nuclear heavy missile cruiser, 2 nuclear anti-aircraft cruiser,
Nuclear forces
30 2nd generation IRBMs, 48 3rd generation ICBMs (all solid fuel, MIRVed)
Army
1 HQ, 2 garrison units, 4 armored divisions, 4 flak units, 3 artillery groups, 3 mechanized divisions, 2 mountain infantry brigades, forts at the Faeroe Islands, Kiel, Petrograd

Polish Forces
Air Force
14 MIG 25, 5 Tu22, 2 Tu16, 1 KC97, 1 Tu 107, 1 ETU95, 6 gunship, 4 transport helo, 1 ASW helo 22 pilots expert, 14 pilots regular
Navy
3 destroyer squadrons (6 DDG) , 1 nuclear heavy missile cruiser, 3 SSN, 1 CVAN, 1 heavy air wing
Army
2 HQ, 9 armored divisions, 5 infantry corps, 6 mech divisions, 2 mech arty groups, 4 airborne brigades, 8 flak

Ukrainian Forces
Air Force
14 MiG 25’s, 5 Tu 22s, Tu 107, 2 ETU95, 6 AH, 1 transport, 29 pilots,
Navy
4 destroyers, 2 nuclear attack subs, 2 nuclear power heavy missile cruisers
Army
2 HQ, 2 infantry corps, 4 garrisons, 5 mech flak divisions, 11 armored divisions, 8 mech divisions, 4 mech arty groups, 1 SF airborne brigade

Turkish Forces
Air Force
1 Mig 25, 1 Tu22, 1 ETU95, 2 AH, 7 pilots,
Navy
1 Nuclear powered AA cruiser, 1 transport group
Army
2 HQ, 4 light infantry divisions, 4 mechanized divisions, 2 armored divisions, 3 marine brigade, 3 mountain brigade

CAR Forces
Air Force
1 Mirage V, 1 Tu22, 2 AH, 5 pilots
Army
1 HQ, 2 armored divisions, 2 mechanized divisions, 2 infantry corps, 1 garrison unit

Kashgaria (neutral)
4 garrison units, 1 Mig 25, 1 pilot

Azerbaijan (neutral)
1 MIG25, 1 Mirage V, 1 Tu22, 3 pilots, 2 flak units, 1 garrison unit, 2 infantry corps

Current deployments
Northern Front
Scandic: 1 HQ, 2 armored divisions, 2 mechanized artillery groups, 1 mechanized division, 2 gunship units, 2 pilots organized as 1st Army (advancing on Novgorad)
Polish: 1 infantry corps, 2 airborne brigades, 2 transport helicopter units, 2 pilots organized as 2nd Army (advancing on Pskov)
1 Scandic garrison unit at Petrograd

Ukrainian Front
Ukranian: 2 armored divisions, 2 mechanized divisions, 1 artillery group, 1 flak group and 2 attack helicopter units, 2 pilots as the 3rd Army (at Rostov)
4 armored divisions, 3 mechanized divisions, 2 artillery groups, 1 flak group, 1 HQ, and 2 attack helicopter units, 2 pilots as the 4th Army (advancing on Voronezh)
3 armored divisions, 2 mechanized divisions, 1 artillery group, 1 flak group, 1 infantry corps 2 attack helicopters, 1 transport helicopter, 3 pilots, 1 SF airborne brigade and 1 HQ unit as the 5th Army (advancing on Orel)

Thracian Front
Turkish: 2 armored divisions, 3 mechanized infantry divisions, 1 light infantry, 1 mountain brigade, 1 SU SF mountain brigade 2 HQs as 6th Army (fighting in Thrace and besieging Adrianople and Istanbul)
1 mountain brigade (Rhodes), 1 Marine brigade (various Greek islands), 1 light infantry division, 1 mountain brigade (Crete),
plus 2 light infantry divisions recalled for disaster relief at Izmer and Ankara
plus 1 mech division watching Syrian border

in reserve available for operations in Thrace or the Aegean or anywhere in Turkey are 1 Scandic SF mountain brigades, 2 Turkish Marine brigades, 2 SU Mirage V, 1 SU Tu22, 1 SU Tu16, 2 Ukrainian MiG 25

Bug River Front (Rumanian / Ukrainian Border)
Ukraine: 1 garrison unit

Reserve forces as yet not committed or tied down at home:
Scandic Union
1 Garrison unit at Kiel (1 division needed to help out with damage to Oslo, concerns exists about weakness of home defense and Russian SF raids in Karellia)
2 armored divisions, 4 flak, 1 mech arty, 2 mech divisions,
Available Air units that can reach any front:
8 MIG25, 4 Mirage V, 1 Tu95, 1 Tu16, 1 Tu22, 1 ETU95, 1 KC97 Tanker, 4 AH units, 22 pilots (1 pilot available for immediate transition to reserve aircraft, with Mig pilots available for transition as well)

Poland
2 HQ, 9 armored divisions, 4 infantry corps, 6 mech divisions, 2 mech artillery groups, 2 airborne brigades, 8 flak
Available air units that can reach any front:
14 MIG 25, 5 Tu22, 2 Tu16, 1 KC97, 1 Tu 107, 1 ETU95, 6 gunship, 4 transport helo, 1 ASW helo, 36 pilots (no reserves but 14 Mig pilots can transition to other aircraft)

Ukraine
2 armored divisions, 1 mechanized division, 1 infantry corps, 3 garrison units, 2 mech flak available
Available air units that can reach any front:
14 MiG 25’s, 5 Tu 22s, Tu 107, 2 ETU95, 6 AH, 1 transport, 29 pilots (no reserves but Mig pilots can use different aircraft)

Turkey and the CAR have no other reserves

Available aircraft storage: 17 Drakan fighter bombers (located in Central Asia and pilots have to be sent there to man them via Ukraine-Turkey-Azerbajain-Central Asia and then back. To do this, the Scandic Union, Poland and Ukraine will each have to provide an air transport and pilot which can be obtained from their national airlines. It generally takes 2 weeks to replace a Mig25 with a Drakan fighter bomber including retraining time for the pilot)

8 Mirage V and 10 Kfir fighter bombers are en route or will be if all goes as planned.


In addition, Polish and Scandic Naval units remain active against the RN, and Turkish and Ukrainian naval units remain active in the Aegean Sea.


EDIT:
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10971463&postcount=4

Shows what aircraft the CSPS has in storage and mothballed ships, all of which are being called up.

In February and March, South African and British warships and patrol ships steam into Antarctic waters and seize the entire Scandic Union whaling fleet (ooc remember its summer down there and they would be staying the area to avoid the blockade of their home ports and would be caught by surprise by the South African action.)

Effective loss of 2 shipping units by the Scandic Union. Some whaling stations and islands held by the Scandic Union are seized as well.

Pakistan will be sending 6 Light Infantry Divisions to China, to assist them in re-building and whatever else they need. 2 Divisions are also deployed to Japan, for undisclosed reasons.

3 Highly Trained Garrison
2 Highly Trained Armored Division
4 Highly Trained Light Infantry
2 Infantry Divisions
3 Highly Trained Mechanized Artillery
4 Highly Trained Pilots
4 TA 200
1 Coastal Patrol
1 HQ
1 batch of Sarin Gas
1 batch of Distilled Mustard Gas

The Omani government is reminded that the Commonwealth fo Nations is under no obligation to come to it's assistance if it makes a declaration of war against another nation, only if it is declared upon as it is a mutual defence treaty not a full alliance. Guaranteed assistance from all Commonwealth nations would be gained only if the Arab Federation made the initial aggressive moves.

Though Britain will support the Omanis no matter what there are some nations within the Commonwealth who would not mobilise unless forced to.

In response to heightened aggression by the Omani and UK governments, the Arab Federation hereby mobilizes its armed forces in their entirety. It also asks for UN interference and for German assistance in defending its nation. The Arab Federation will not strike first but is willing to fight to the death to defend its homeland.

With limited replenishment facilities available in Indochina the USEA blue water Navy moves to Japanese ports and is placed under temporay Japanese Naval command whilst reconstruction and aid efforts start in Indochina.

Coastal patrols continue from what depots are available.

Remaining USEAN fleet:

Under the command of Admiral Shou Xi Ho

2x Indochina Class Heavy Fleet Carriers (Indochina, Nyugen Ai Quoc)
2x Jiao Class Light Carriers (Jiao, Rong)
2x ASW Airwings
2x Heavy Carrier Air wings
4x Kang Class Replenishment ships (Kang, Ro Li, Non Yot, Pancari)
4x Zhao Tou Class Light missile cruisers (Zhao Tou, Lac Long Quan, Au Co, Bangkok)
4x Lan Xang Class Heavy Missile cruisers (Lan Xang, Lin Yen, Yao Shi, Phu Bia)
6x Xuo La class Anti-Aircraft Cruisers (Xuo La, Gan Ji, Nan Yong, Jo Fai, Klima To, Yo Bia)
6x Destroyer units (2 vessals each)
4x ASW Frigate units (2 Vessals each )
2x Shou Class Nuclear Attack Submarines (Shou, Hue)
1x Veng Shi Class Nuclear Ballistic Missile Submarine (Vo Ling)
2x Amphibious Assault Groups
1x Transport Group


The remaining USEAA ground units (The 1st Special Mechanised Airborne Brigade of the Army Pathfinders division under General Van Tin Dung) are placed under direct governmental control (Admiral/President Xue Wu Zhou) and deployed to the city of Phenom Penh where the government now resides.

Sweet, for a moment I thought it was just my 1 little carrier. Couple of things:

1. My Missiles are all solid fueled MIRV's (I built them after the technological trade between the SU and China)

2. I have a Kirin unit in Yokohoma

3. If I had a carrier half finished but I had to stop as a result of funding problems, can I restart later on as going into the third year? If the port is attacked, will they have some sort of defensive systems on-line?

4. Will I get militia units as a result of raising people in my cities? Will it be easier to make them regular infantry units later on?

Sweet, for a moment I thought it was just my 1 little carrier. Couple of things:

1. My Missiles are all solid fueled MIRV's (I built them after the technological trade between the SU and China)

2. I have a Kirin unit in Yokohoma

3. If I had a carrier half finished but I had to stop as a result of funding problems, can I restart later on as going into the third year? If the port is attacked, will they have some sort of defensive systems on-line?

4. Will I get militia units as a result of raising people in my cities? Will it be easier to make them regular infantry units later on?

OOC
pretty sure I nuked those 2 USEA ASW units, but for convenience we will say the missiles missed and blew away a civilian airport instead. Militia units cost 1 point, are raised pretty much instantly. The point is for weapons for 50,000 people (the size of a militia unit) plus a few other things like basic signals gear, and a few heavier weapons.

Yes, a ship that isn't completed can sit on the shipyard for years, and frequently does in real life.

Your search planes indicate that the Americans are no where near Japan and heading for it looks like a direct course for Formosa. You would know this by February 25. The Americans are watching you, and send your government via the Mexicans and Cubans a message indicating the fleets mission (ooc the earlier post referred to)

due to 4 hours of oral surgery this morning and the fact I feel like death warmed over, nothing else out of me for a while today

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OOC
pretty sure I nuked those 2 USEA ASW units, but for convenience we will say the missiles missed and blew away a civilian airport instead. Militia units cost 1 point, are raised pretty much instantly. The point is for weapons for 50,000 people (the size of a militia unit) plus a few other things like basic signals gear, and a few heavier weapons.

Entire USEA fleet went to sea a few days before the bombardment began. That was posted.
Some of the corvettes and missile boats that patrol the coastline were taken out when their naval bases were hit.
Fortuneately (For me) none of the blue water stuff was effected.

though this damn fluid time is wreaking havoc on my logic skills, one unit of Australian pilot 'volunteers' have been transfered to the British Isles to fly Mig-24s there in defense of the mother country. I'm not sure what month this is in, but if they could be added to an order of battle, that would be great. The news of this action is no enormous secret, but Canberra is not really commenting on its involvement in the affairs of the Europeans.

THe Philippines states total neutrality in current events and hopes more nations will try and stop madness, but doesn't hold it's hopes up.

(Deleted because I refuse to argue over this.)

In a spare moment, the Duma passes an act changing Russia's motto to, temporarily: "Victi Vincimus."

OOC: A cookie to the first person who knows what it means and who said it.

In a spare moment, the Duma passes an act changing Russia's motto to, temporarily: "Victi Vincimus."

OOC: A cookie to the first person who knows what it means and who said it.

OOC:

Victi Vincimus = Conquered, we conquer.

Plautus said this.

Greece and Aegean Sea area
Greeks
1 militia unit, 1 light infantry division – Istanbul (under siege)
1 militia unit, 1 light infantry division -- Crete
2 militia units - Athens
1 militia unit – Adrianople (under siege)
1 light infantry division -- eastern Thrace
25 merchant shipping units
4 pilot units (in Yugoslavia waiting for aircraft)

Nigerian forces (present or en route)
1 light infantry division (Athens)
1 HQ, 1 mechanized division, 2 armored brigades, 1 infantry division, 1 marine brigade
1 escort cruiser, 5 destroyers (tech level 7 ships) plus 4 transports

French forces in Aegean / Greece area
Mediterranean Fleet
1 heavy carrier, 1 fleet carriers, 1 heavy air wing, 1 light carrier air wing, 5 light cruiser, 4 destroyers, 3 SSN, 2 transports
French Expeditionary Force
1 Marine brigade, 1 infantry corps,
French Air Force
4 Mirage V, 2 Vulcan bombers

Yugoslavian forces
2 Mirage IIIC Fighters, 2 pilots
1 Infantry Corps, 1 Armored Divison

1 Heavy Missile Cruiser (working with French fleet)

Albanian forces
3 mountain brigades, 1 HQ, 1 flak unit,
1 destroyer (working with French fleet)

British forces in area
RN Mediterranean Fleet
1 Nuclear Powered Fleet carrier (HMS Duke of York) (light airwing)
1 Nuclear Powered Heavy Missile Cruiser (HMS Adamant)
1 Nuclear Powered Light Missile Cruiser (HMS Brilliant)
1 Nuclear Powered AA Cruiser (HMS Conqueror)
6 Nuclear Powered Destroyers,
80 missile boats, 2 groups of 40. (at Cyrpus)
BEF
1 mechanized division, 1 flak group
en route 1 mechanized division
preparing to deploy 1 HQ, 4 armored divisions, 2 mechanized divisions
RAF
1 Lighting fighter wings, 1 Harrier fighter wing (Cyprus)
at Malta 2 Vulcan bomb wings, 2 tanker wings

British and French fleets are now cooperating

Even as Nigerian troops began deploying in Greece, massive protests rock Nigerian cities as hundreds of thousands take to the streets, protesting Nigerian intervention in what is seen as a European affair. Under intense pressure, the government orders the complete withdrawal of Nigerian troops from the war.

Eastern Front
Russian Forces
Northern Front
5th mountain brigade (guarding Archangel)
1st Parachute brigade plus 1 transport helicopter unit (based out of Archangel, conducting raids on Karellian communications links
4 merchant shipping units (trapped in port for winter)

Northwestern Front facing Scandic and Polish forces
1st Armored Corps (consists of 7 armored brigades, 1 flak unit due to losses)
2nd Infantry corps (consists of 7 infantry brigades, 1 flak unit due to losses)
2nd Mechanized Infantry division
1st Mechanized Infantry division

Western Front facing Ukrainian forces
14th light infantry division, 1 flak group (defending Astrakhan)
24th light infantry division, 33rd Infantry division (remnant of the 3rd corps). 1 flak group shifted from Siberia
the 4th Corps has subdivided to better provide defenses for vital areas
2nd Infantry corps (2 infantry divisions, 1 flak group)(defending Voronezh), plus 1flak group from Siberia

Northwest and Western Fronts are trading space for time when possible, although the Russians are digging in to defend their cities defending the Volga River

Central Asian Front
Khazak Front facing CAR forces
1 HQ unit, 1st Mechanized Corps, 3rd Mechanized division, 4th mechanized division, 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th Mountain brigades, 2nd Parachute Brigade,

In reserve
5th and 6th Light Infantry corps are being converted into Infantry Corps with the addition of American equipment from prepositioned stocks and will be available for action in Central Asia shortly. 1st Light Infantry division is converting into a mechanized infantry division with that same equipment stock (becoming the 7th mechanized division)
8th and 10th Garrison corps have been shifted to Moscow
5th and 6th garrison have moved up to Tula
7th garrison is converting into 8th mechanized division and its flak unit has been moved to Moscow

Moscow has 2 garrison and 2 flak units guarding it now

1HQ unit is in Mongolia providing disaster relief assistance in Outer Mongolia

Russian Air Force
Archangel: 1 transport helicopter unit, 1 Yak 25 interceptor wing
Moscow: 1 Yak 25 interceptor wing, 1 AEW wing

Supporting operations in Central Asia
2 Yak28 wings, 2 Yak 25 wings, 3 Su19 wings, 3 AD1 Wings, 1 RA22 Wing

converting
2 Su5 wings to F4G (with more to follow)

en route
Flying Tigers: 4 F4G, 1 WF105, 1 KC135, 1 attack helicopter unit, 1 cargo helicopter unit, 9 pilots
Canadian Air Force: 2 F4G fighter units, 1 C130 transport unit, 2 airborne brigades, 3 pilots

(Canadians and Flying Tigers begin arriving in early March and finish deployment by mid March and go into action in April)

Russian Navy
1 Be6 unit converting to F105 unit
5 SSKs operationg in the Black Sea, 40 missile boats as well
10 1st generation SSNs at Petropovlavsk (operating in the North Pacific)

Southern Arabia
Omani and Western Arabia forces
2 infantry corps defending UAE and Mecca (1 each)
2 mechanized divisions in Oman available for operations against Yemen
plus 1 Lightning fighter wing defending oilfields in UAE
plus fleet of 1 AA cruiser, 2 destroyers, 2 frigates operating in the Arabian Sea, and 80 missile boats at the Straits of Hormuz

Morocco is sending 1 F4E fighter bomber unit to Mecca (arrives by March 1), along with 2 mountain infantry brigades (1 each at Jiddah and Medina) (also arriving March 1) plus by sea 1 mechanized infantry division (arriving mid March)

South Africa, eager to obtain a close friend with lots of oil to spare (Oman) sends 2 mechanized infantry divisions (arrive mid March) 1 Mirage C fighter unit (arrives February 23 at Muscat) and its fleet which operates with the Omanis

2 AA cruisers, 2 destroyers, 1 amphibious group, 1 marine brigade

Yemen has 2 infantry divisions. Due to tribal rivalries, Eastern Yemen is against what the Western Yemenis want simply because they don't like each other much. 1 Infantry division is therefore highly suspect in terms of reliability and could easily desert or side with the Omanis

Yemen also has 2 destroyers, 2 frigates, and 40 missiles boats operating around Aden

The British Indian Ocean fleet of 2 destroyers has left the area and are operating in the Antarctic, along with 4 South African destroyers

The Arab Federation has no troops in Yemen at this time, although 2 transport units carrying 1 HQ and 1 light infantry division to Egypt (would have to use Port Sudan as a port though, as no other ports in Egypt remain)

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11302150&postcount=64

However, the Arab Federation has only 40 missile boats which lack the range to get to Egypt.

OOC:

Victi Vincimus = Conquered, we conquer.

Plautus said this.
One Cookie to China, who can use it to feed his starving population.

Should I begin a new set of orders for April-???? yet, or do you want to run things?

One Cookie to China, who can use it to feed his starving population.

Should I begin a new set of orders for April-???? yet, or do you want to run things?

ooc
not ready just yet, but go ahead.

The Arab Federation has no troops in Yemen at this time, although 2 transport units carrying 1 HQ and 1 light infantry division to Egypt (would have to use Port Sudan as a port though, as no other ports in Egypt remain)

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11302150&postcount=64

However, the Arab Federation has only 40 missile boats which lack the range to get to Egypt.

With the war inevitable, all troops are ordered to remain in the Arab Federation.

ooc: @#%$! Completly forgot about that order. I try to send aid to egypt and it bits me in the ass

Northwest Europe, Atlantic and Arctic area
G-I-UK Gap and North Atlantic
Canadian forces
1 P3 Orion maritime patrol wing (operating out of Iceland)
(US still has 1 infantry division and a fighter wing guarding Iceland)
6 Canadian Frigates (escorting convoys)
2 escort carriers, 2 RN destroyrs, 4 RN frigates (escorting convoys)
(US has 10 SSNs covering the G-I-UK gap looking for Scandic SSNs that try to penetrate… none are, but they don’t know that. Also 1 US P3 Orion wing out of Iceland and Greenland)
2 RN fleet carrier battlegroups each with 1 fleet carrier, 1 light air wing, 1 escort cruiser, 2 destroyers, 2 frigates
2 RN hunter killer ASW groups each with 1 light carrier, 1 ASW air wing, 1 escort cruiser, 2 destroyers, 2 frigates,
10 nuclear powered ballistic missile submarines (operating in South Atlantic)

North Sea
1 heavy cruiser, 2 light cruisers, 2 AA cruisers, 8 destroyers (operating out of Yarmouth)
10 SSNs

Home Defenses and forces available for deployment
RAF
2 Arrow interceptor wings, 2 Lightning interceptor wings, 1 Harrier fighter bomber wing, 2 Vulcan bomber wings, 1 AEW wing, 3 Tanker wing, 2 Transport wings, 3 B57 bomber units (converting to Tornados as they become available) (includes aircrraft drawn from desert storage in the US)

RN Reserve fleet (being activated as money can be found)
Storage at various scrap yards and ports:
20 conventional destroyers (tech 7.5)
7 1st generation nuclear attack subs
9 conventional light missile cruisers
6 conventional heavy missile cruisers
1 conventional heavy carrier
2 conventional fleet carriers
1 conventional ASW carrier

British Army
4 mechanized divisions, 4 flak groups, 1 artillery group, Royal Marine mechanized marine brigade, 2nd Parachute brigade, Ghurka Brigade (light infantry), SAS brigade (special operations), 3 gunship units, 3 cargo helicopter units, 3 transport helicopter units
plus 4 brigades German paratroopers, 4 German transport aircraft wings
plus en route 1 Canadian mechanized division (arrive mid March)

French, Yugoslav home forces to be added as needed

British nuclear forces
in addition to Submarines (5 with 18 missiles, 5 with 12 missiles)

150 2nd generation solid fueled ICBMs (Minuteman III type)
100 3rd generation liquid fueled ICBMs (Titan III type)
240 3rd generation solid fueled IRBMs (Polaris III type)

Vulcan bombers are also nuclear capable and assumed to be ready for action in that role

en route from Australia.. 1 RAAF F4G fighter wing with pilots (in RAF markings)

Japan, learning of the United States' intentions, keeps building defenses and names retired General Kuribashi as head of the defenses.

Japan also sells 4 Mirage V's to the SU in exchange for being able to build 4 Tu-22 units now, and more possibly later

OOC: Kuribashi was in RL general on Iwo JIma and cost the American smore casualties than they inflicted, one of the few island campaigns that did that

The Twilight War in Europe
February 23 – March 2
North Sea and Atlantic
The British carriers remain far out in the Atlantic maintaining a distance blockade of the Scandic Union at the G-I-UK gap and also ensuring that British communications remain open, supported by the Canadian Navy and unofficially by the US Navy. Unwilling to commit their precious bombers without fighter cover, the Scandic Union is unable to remedy the situation. Meanwhile, in the North Sea and Kattegat, the Royal Navy sends in its attack submarines and also conducts a night time attack with its surface forces coordinated with its submarines.

The resulting battle is known as 2nd Jutland.
Scandic / Polish forces
1 Nuclear attack submarine, 4 destroyer squadrons (8 DDG), 1 nuclear heavy missile cruiser, 2 nuclear anti-aircraft cruisers, plus 2 Polish destroyer squadrons (4 destroyers) plus 3 Polish nuclear attack submarines

2 Ballistic missile subs (not involved)
1 Polish CVAN, 1 destroyer squadron (2 DDG) , 1 nuclear heavy missile cruiser, (training in the Baltic Sea fitting out)

additional warships are being fitted out but won’t be ready for another month

Royal Navy
1 heavy cruiser, 2 light cruisers, 2 AA cruisers, 8 destroyers, 10 SSNs

The battle begins on February 27 as British and CSPS submarines duel under the North Sea. Heavy fighter patrols from each side prevent ASW aircraft support, and neither side is willing to risk their surface ships yet. The British are trying to destroy the CSPS submarine fleet, while the CSPS is trying to do the same to the RN. The RN use B57s to lay minefields at night, while the Scandics do the same.

1 RN submarine is lost, another damaged as is 1 Polish SSN that first day. That night, the RN dashes across the North Sea at 30 knots, reaching the Kattegat just after midnight. The CSPS fleet is patrolling the area, and the first duel between surface ships since the Third Great War and the first involving guided missiles begins. CSPS fire sinks 2 RN destroyers and damages 3 others, and damages an RN light cruiser, while RN fire damages 2 Scandic cruisers, and sinks 1 Polish destroyer and damages another. Mines laid by both sides result in the sinking 2 RN destroyers, and damaging of a RN light cruiser, while sinking 2 Scandic destroyers, and finishing off a damaged Scandic AA cruiser.

Having suffered heavy losses, the RN retreats, and the Scandics launch an air attack, braving RAF fighters to get at the RN before it reaches port. Heavy air actions costs the RAF an Arrow interceptor unit, but costs the Scandics 1 Mig25 unit and a Tu22 unit. Every single one of the remaining RN surface ships are damaged, but they make it to port. Meanwhile, RN submarines sink a Scandic heavy cruiser, 2 Polish SSNs and damange another Scandic destroyer at the cost of 1 SSN damaged.

Losses
RN: 1 SSN, 4 destroyers, sunk, 1 Arrow unit (60 aircraft) destroyed, 2 SSN damaged, 1 heavy cruiser, 2 light cruisers, 2 AA cruisers, 4 destroyers damaged

Scandic losses
1 heavy missile cruiser, 1AA cruiser, 2 destroyers sunk, 1 AA cruiser, 1 Mig 25 unit (60 aircraft), 1 Tu22 unit (30 aircraft), 2 pilot units lost,

Polish losses
1 destroyer, 2 SSN sunk, 1 destroyer, 1 SSN damaged

British still have 8 SSNs available while the Scandic Union has 1 SSN, 6 destroyers available not counting Polish forces in the Baltic and RN forces in the Atlantic

for the remainder of the week, British forces continue their missions in the Atlantic while the CSPS forces stay in the Baltic.

Naval commanders and experts begin evaluating the lessons learned.

Southern Arabia
February 23 – March 2
The Omanis move their 2 mechanized divisions to the border of Yemen and secret talks between a number of the northern Yemeni sheiks and the Omani King begin.

Meanwhile, the Arab Federation has a number of transport ships at sea, and are caught at a severe disadvantage when Omani missile boats meet them at the Straits of Hormuz and order them to turn around or face seizure or destruction on February 24. The Yemeni government sends its small fleet to sea on February 24, and it is met by the Omani fleet near the Straits of Hormuz and in a nasty little battle the Omani fleet sinks 11 Yemeni missile boats and damages 2 Yemeni destroyers and 1 Yemeni frigate at the cost of 5 Omani missile boats damaged, 1 frigate sunk, and 1 frigate and 2 destroyers damaged.

As the Omani fleet still has a cruiser and 75 missile boats, and the Yemeni fleet is reduced to 1 frigade and 29 missile boats and all of the missile boats on both sides are out of ammunition, the Yemeni fleet has no choice but to run for home. Without naval support, the Arab Federation transport ships are forced to turn back as well.

Soom after that, the northern Yemenis revolt against what they view as impious Arab Federation socialism, and invite the Omani government (which is a conservative monarchy) in to assist them. With the northern Yemenis goes half the army, and with only a single infantry division remaining against 2 mechanized divisions and 1 infantry division, the Yemeni troops are quickly beaten and routed, and by March 2 the northern Yemeni army has occupied Aden while the Omani Army is mopping up Yemeni troops in South Yemen. The surviving Yemeni navy surrenders shortly after that when it becomes clear that the South Africans and Moroccans are siding with the Omani government and the Algerian government is considering doing so as well.

With little choice, the Yemeni government signs a treaty granting independence to North Yemen (which becomes a de facto Omani and Western Arabian client state) and granting the Omani government and South Africa basing rights at Socatra Island. In addition, the South Yemen government agrees to disband its army except for 1 brigade, and its navy except for its missile boats, with surviving warships transferred to Oman. South Yemen also agrees not to join the Arab Federation.

ooc
some real life background on Yemen
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yemen
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Yemen

Fighting in Russia February 23 – March 2

Useful maps

http://www.jewishgen.org/Belarus/images/russia.jpg
http://www.russiatravelinfo.com/images/maps/soviet_union_admin_1981.jpg

The Russians have 20 brigades on the line covering a front nearly 300 miles across and fall back under pressure. The wide dispersion however does prevent the CSPS from using their bombers effectively but also prevents the Russians from making a stand anywhere.

The Russians actually have a numerical advantage, but the CSPS has the advantage of being able to concentrate and having air supremacy. Driving hard, the take Novgorod on February 28 and Pskov on March 2.

Meanwhile, in the south, the Ukrainians drive hard on Orel, which falls on February 24, and then move on toward on Voronezh from the north and from the west reaching the outer Russian defenses on March 2. Further south, the Ukrainians drive on Volgograd, and find the city well defended and heavy fighting develops in the area. Ukrainian air superiority is enough to wreck the city, but not enough to enable them to take it as the Russians fight a bitter block by block fight (ooc, production centers in Novgorod, Orel, Byransk, Rostov and Volgograd will require repair)

As this is going on, the Scandic Union sends 5 pilots to Central Asian aircraft storage facilities, while Poland 6 pilots and the Ukrainians 6 pilots.

In Central Asia, the CAR Army finds itself outnumbered and off balance as it was organized to launch an offensive, and now ethnic Russians are sabotaging railroad lines, telephone lines, and rioting in the Karaganda and seizing control of rural areas where they outnumber ethnic Kazakhs in the northern areas. In addition, 1 armored division dissolves as parts of it mutiny and begin fighting the other, causing the CAR high command to have to shift its other armored division (and only reserve) into action to deal with mutinous forces. This leaves the CAR army with a mere 4 divisions (12 brigades) as the Russians invade with 4 mechanized divisions (12 brigades) plus 4 elite light infantry units equipped with skis which work to their advantage and give them nearly the mobility of mechanized forces in the winter snow and ice.

The Russians attack in the west at Uralsk with a mechanized corps and 3 mountain brigades along with the bulk of their air strength, destroying the CAR mechanized division in the area in a week of fighting and taking Uralsk, and then advancing with helicopter assistance to take Guryev and Akyubinsk, which are undefended on March 2.

Further east, 2 mechanized divisions and 1 parachute brigade pressure the other CAR mechanized division near Kockchetav.

By the end of the week, the Russians have seized 8 of the 16 administrative districts of Khazakhstan, and the CAR Army is retreating south. Essentially, just like in the west, neither side has sufficient forces to establish a solid front and with the Russians having air superiority, they can control the pace of events and do not have to worry about their flanks.

Losses:
CAR 1 armored division, 1 mechanized division, 1 Mig 25 wing, 1 Mirage V wing, 1 pilot
Russian: 1 Yak 25 unit, 2 armored brigades (in northwest)
Scandic Union, Poland and Ukraine lose no units.

However, losses in personnel and equipment are wearing down both sides.

March 2 – 9
Usually the weather starts to warm in Central Asia and southern Russia, but it continues to remain cold and the ground remains frozen.

In the north, the CSPS pauses and the frontal commander asks for reinforcements. As it is clear that the Germans are not going to immediately enter the war, the Polish High Command releases 6 mechanized divisions, while the Scandic High Command releases 2 armored divisions. All 8 divisions reach the front by the end of March 9.

Further south in the Ukraine, the heavy fighting continues in Volgograd and begins in Voronezh. The Ukrainians suffer serious losses, with 2 infantry corps being gutted and out of action, as well as 2 mechanized infantry divisions, but they take both Volgograd and Voronezh destroying a Russian infantry division at each city, and pushing the remaining defenders out. The Russians also inflict serious losses on the Ukrainian air force, destroying 1 Tu22 unit and 1 Drakan unit (as well as 1 pilot unit).



Further to the east, fighting continues in Central Asia but the huge distances slow the Russians down much more then CAR resistance does.

Meanwhile, aircraft, aircrews and support personnel from North America begin arriving in Sverdlovsk in a seemingly endless stream of transport aircraft flying over the North Pole.


ooc
the really big fronts and huge distances are keeping losses as far as units go light until an important objective is reached. Then fighting is intense and bloody.

Aegean and Greece February 23 - March 9
The arrival of Yugoslav and French forces stabilizes the front in Thrace and forces CSPS forces to go on the defensive. The severe losses suffered by the Turkish Air Force during the Egyptian / Turkish nuclear exchange have crippled it, and the Franco-British gain air superiority over the Aegean, cutting the Turkish forces in the Greek islands out of supply.

The situation remains deadlocked for the 2 weeks, although the Scandic lose a Mirage V unit and 1 pilot and the French lose 1 Mirage V unit and 1 pilot. British and French bombers, heavily escorted, pound Turkish positions around Adrianople and Istanbul, preventing them from launching an assault and inflicting serious losses

ooc
but theunits still remain battleworthy for now

In the Far East, the Americans reach the area around Formosa and the 2 nearby proviences (see earlier post) and begin disaster relief operations after securing the ports and expanding small airfields that weren't destroyed during the nuclear strikes so they can handle transport aircraft and helicopters.

(US has 12 carrier battlegroups, 30 submarines and a large number of escort ships in the area, plus have committed 2 HQs, 10 divisions to provide security and have also committed 6 transport aircraft and 6 transport and cargo helicopters to the effort in addition to 80 points).

US forces will remain in the area for the remainder of the year and possibly longer if necessary.

Uberly-Secret IC:

The Pakistani Government contacts the government of the CAR, proposing that Pakistan sends 2 "volunteer" light infantry Divisions to the CAR to defend the southern areas, thus freeing up 2 of the CAR's own divisions to head north and fight the Russians.

War in Russia March 10 - 31 1964
In Central Asia, Russian forces reach Karaganda and take the city in a week of fighting that destroys the last CAR mechanized division. Militia units form in Karaganda, Tselinograd and Uralsk consisting of ethnic Russians and volunteers from Russia proper. In the fighting the CAR also loses its last fighter unit and a pilot unit and the Russians lose a Yak 28 unit and 1 pilot as well.

The Flying Tigers attack the CAR air force and destroy its remaining aircraft.

The Russians then go on the defensive, leaving the militia and 2 mechanized divisions to hold their gains. Toward the end of the month, spring finally begins in Central Asia, and the ground becomes a morass of mud that ends further ground operations until sometime in April at the earliest.

ooc
the CAR has 3 pilots left but no planes, and more important fighting elsewhere has caused the Ukrainians, Poles and Scandics to move their reserve aircraft and those pilots back to the principal theaters of war where they are involved. The CAR is waiting for delivery of Japanese and Chinese Mirage Vs

In the west, the Ukrainians are forced to halt because of losses, and by the time reinforcements reach the front, the thaw has begun and offensive operations become impractical.

Further north, the Poles send in reinforcements and take Smolensk and link up with the Ukrainians, while the Scandic Union forms a new front and prepares to launch an offensive toward Archangal. The thaw sets in in this area as well, and a lull develops here as well.

The Canadian Air Force and Flying Tigers reinforce Russian defenses in the Moscow, Tula and Archangel area, while the CSPS air forces are still switching out Migs with Drakens.

In Greece, additional British forces arrive and the Allies prepare to launch an offensive. The British and French keep their carriers out of range of CSPS fighters while British missile boats operating at night amongst the islands keep the Turkish forces on the Greek islands isolated.

Eventually, out of ammunition, and with the arrival of 3 Albanian mountain brigades increasing the pressure on them, the Turkish troops on Crete are forced to surrender.

Meanwhile, demands at home force the Turks to pull their troops out of occupied Greek islands to assist with disaster relief efforts and to keep an eye on the Kurds who have been massing their forces on the border. Armenia also is looking at portions of Turkey.

ooc
actually neither is going to do anything but have agreed to cooperate with British Intelligence in disinformation because both nations are appalled by the war and want it to end.

March 10-31
In Northern Europe, Scandic bombers hit Archangel and sink 2 Russian shipping units, and also hit British shipping in the North Atlantic in hit and run raids, sinking a British shipping unit.

British submarines and B57s operating at night continue to lay mines in Norwegian ports and in the Kattegat, while Scandic aircraft operating at night do the same to British waters. Each side loses a shipping unit to mines, and has to spend considerable resources sweeping mines.

Both sides manage to repair their damaged warships but neither is willing to risk them at present.

March 1964

In China, emergency food supplies begin to be exhausted in many areas. Forced to seek food, people begin leaving fall out shelters all over China. With even local authorities lacking the means to communicate over a broad area, hundreds of millions of people do not realize they are still dealing with contiminated food supplies and even water. Efforts are made to educate as many as possible, but tens of millions of people begin falling ill to radiation sickness.

Panic begins to set in, especially in China between the Yellow River and Yangtze River. Tens of millions of people begin heading in any direction to find more food and a safe place away from radiation. The old, and the very young, and the chronically ill begin to die. By the millions.

In some areas outside help has arrived, and communications equipment is made available by foreign troops to assist local authorities in passing along good information. Decontimination teams are also available, and essential services begin to revive in those areas. For now only Mongolia, Manchuria, Formosa and 2 coastal proviences near Formosa are benefiting as aid originally planned has dried up because of the war in Europe. Later on in March Pakistani troops begin arriving in the Kunming area to assist authorities there, while Burma sends in aid workers and military communications and medical and NBC decontimination units to assist USEA authorities in Siam.

Malaysia also offers assistance to the USEA government.

Due to the continued arrogance of the CSPS, all aid to China will have to be withdrawn, all troops to China will have to be recalled.

The USEA accept Burma and Malaya's generous offers of aid.

OOC: HEY! What happened to my aid, GB? You just gonna forget the fact I sent men into Shenyang as well?:p

Cause if you need exact orders, I can do that.

The deadlock in the Italian parliament finally ends. Italy declares war on the Scandic Union, Turkey, Ukraine, and all other belligerents. Also, full Italian support is promised to the British for the Yemen affair.

OOC: I'm traveling at the moment and have only sporadic internet access. Italy is, for the moment, handed over to Lesser Ribena. Italian military is as follows: 8 Average Garrisons, 8 flak groups, 2 infantry corps, 1 armored corps, 3 mechanized corps, 2 marine brigades, 4 mountain brigades, 3 c141 starlifters, 3 parachute brigades, 3 HQ, 11 average pilots, 8 tornado 1's, 4 destroyer units, 2 coastal patrol groups, 8 ASW frigates, 2 heavy missile cruisers,1 CVAN, 2 transport groups.

OOC: Do/Will I know about Japanese and Chinese sales of Mirages to the CAR? We won't be happy when we learn that nations who recieve free energy from us are selling weapons to our enemies.

OOC: HEY! What happened to my aid, GB? You just gonna forget the fact I sent men into Shenyang as well?:p

Cause if you need exact orders, I can do that.

ooc
Korean and Japanese troops are accounted for.. your in Manchuria

The deadlock in the Italian parliament finally ends. Italy declares war on the Scandic Union, Turkey, Ukraine, and all other belligerents. Also, full Italian support is promised to the British for the Yemen affair.

OOC: I'm traveling at the moment and have only sporadic internet access. Italy is, for the moment, handed over to Lesser Ribena. Italian military is as follows: 8 Average Garrisons, 8 flak groups, 2 infantry corps, 1 armored corps, 3 mechanized corps, 2 marine brigades, 4 mountain brigades, 3 c141 starlifters, 3 parachute brigades, 3 HQ, 11 average pilots, 8 tornado 1's, 4 destroyer units, 2 coastal patrol groups, 8 ASW frigates, 2 heavy missile cruisers,1 CVAN, 2 transport groups.

ooc
Lesser Ribenia is traveling also.. but I will add it into the mix. Most likely useful deployment area would be Greece and Turkey to open up the Dardenelles to allow aid to Russia

OOC: Do/Will I know about Japanese and Chinese sales of Mirages to the CAR? We won't be happy when we learn that nations who recieve free energy from us are selling weapons to our enemies.

OOC
Russia will figure it out beginning in April

ooc
Korean and Japanese troops are accounted for.. your in Manchuria

okay. I just didn't see them in your post about March '64.

OOC
Russia will figure it out beginning in April
I might not be here in April (on vacation, putting France in charge of affairs from this coming Wednesday until the 24th), but figure that when we find out, free energy to Korea, USEA, and China all end. It will still be available at 1 point per energy point, and a max of 2 oil points/nation.

UK never had a B-57, its called the Canberra :)

Uberly-Secret IC:

The Pakistani Government contacts the government of the CAR, proposing that Pakistan sends 2 "volunteer" light infantry Divisions to the CAR to defend the southern areas, thus freeing up 2 of the CAR's own divisions to head north and fight the Russians.

Does the CAR accept the offer or no?

Does the CAR accept the offer or no?

the CAR is a bit stunned by recent events and delays accepting the offer

Meanwhile, in the US, a critical event occurs
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11332829&postcount=157

the CAR is a bit stunned by recent events and delays accepting the offer

Meanwhile, in the US, a critical event occurs
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11332829&postcount=157

YAY!

Are you going to re-built washington or move the capital elsewhere?

OOC: Do/Will I know about Japanese and Chinese sales of Mirages to the CAR? We won't be happy when we learn that nations who recieve free energy from us are selling weapons to our enemies.

China can't help it. The UK cut off aid to China and several other nations have significantly reduced aid to China. So China *HAS* to sell its Mirage's (which I have NO pilots for) in exchange for more food and aid to replace the aid lost from the UK and other nations.

The CSPS promised China plenty of food from the Ukraine in exchange for the Mirage V's- food is more valuable than gold to China at this point.

Desperate times call for desperate measures.

Oh well.

*shuts down pipelines into Korea and Manchuria*

Oh well.

*shuts down pipelines into Korea and Manchuria*

OOC: Sharina, nice move. :mad:

IC:

The Kim Government assures the people of Korea that atomic power supplies are more than enough to keep the civilian population afloat. But the news sparks a panic....

Rumania maintains it's neutrality, again stating that any beligerent aircraft entering Rumanian airspace will be forced down and interned until the end of hostilities.

On April 2, US forces begin evacuating China, ending all assistance. By the end of April they are gone completely. Meanwhile, sufficient equipment to form 6 mechanized divisions is sent to Russia (which means the Russians will be able to form 6 divisions for free with personal returning from hospitals, recalled reservists, misc troops stripped from the rear echelon and various cadres stripped from other units)

Pakistan Joins War

The Pakistani Parliament has voted (Senate: 69 for, 27 Against, 4 abstain; National Assembly: 236 for, 129 against, 35 abstain) to join the war on the side of the Scandic Union. Although the pro-war PM's stated that they wished to join the war to defend their neighbor the CAR, it is widely believed that this move was made so that the Pakistani economy could be salvaged with wartime spending.

The 8 divisions that were to be deployed to China and Japan are sent to the CAR, meaning 10 divisions of Light Infantry are being sent to our northern neighbor.

OOC: Speakin of which, how many points does Total War give you?

Pakistan Joins War

The Pakistani Parliament has voted (Senate: 69 for, 27 Against, 4 abstain; National Assembly: 236 for, 129 against, 35 abstain) to join the war on the side of the Scandic Union. Although the pro-war PM's stated that they wished to join the war to defend their neighbor the CAR, it is widely believed that this move was made so that the Pakistani economy could be salvaged with wartime spending.

The 8 divisions that were to be deployed to China and Japan are sent to the CAR, meaning 10 divisions of Light Infantry are being sent to our northern neighbor.

OOC: Speakin of which, how many points does Total War give you?


Nigeria immediatly calls for Pakistan's expulsion from the Commonwealth.

Pakistan Joins War

The Pakistani Parliament has voted (Senate: 69 for, 27 Against, 4 abstain; National Assembly: 236 for, 129 against, 35 abstain) to join the war on the side of the Scandic Union. Although the pro-war PM's stated that they wished to join the war to defend their neighbor the CAR, it is widely believed that this move was made so that the Pakistani economy could be salvaged with wartime spending.

The 8 divisions that were to be deployed to China and Japan are sent to the CAR, meaning 10 divisions of Light Infantry are being sent to our northern neighbor.

OOC: Speakin of which, how many points does Total War give you?

USEA officials in Pakistan convey Indochina's acting government extreme disaproval of this action.
Paskistan is reminded that this is a European war and Asia should not get involved. At this time Asia should be pulling together to rebuild and improve.
Not involving ourselves in the petty disputes between the westerners.

OOC: Really bad idea man, this can only end in trouble.

USEA officials in Pakistan convey Indochina's acting government extreme disaproval of this action.
Paskistan is reminded that this is a European war and Asia should not get involved. At this time Asia should be pulling together to rebuild and improve.
Not involving ourselves in the petty disputes between the westerners.

OOC: Really bad idea man, this can only end in trouble.

It mean seem far away to you, but the Russian hordes are marching towards our border with inceasing speed. Pakistan will not sit by and let itself again border the Russian menace. Pakistan must defend its Turkic friends to the North, for it the CAR falls to the murderous Russians, China shall recieve even less oil. Pakistan expects no support for the SCT, but we do not expect to be harmed by them, either.

OOC: It's a bad idea, I know, but I'm freaking bored.

Also, when I enter Total War mode (or even normal war), I'll be able to send aid to China, as well as make my economy all pretty. Besides, if Pakistan is invaded it will collapse, and leave a bunch of successor states, and I could just play as the richest one, and then my life will be so much easier. If I win, Pakistan will be a dominant power in Asia, and my life will be easier.

It's win/win.

Pakistan Joins War

The Pakistani Parliament has voted (Senate: 69 for, 27 Against, 4 abstain; National Assembly: 236 for, 129 against, 35 abstain) to join the war on the side of the Scandic Union. Although the pro-war PM's stated that they wished to join the war to defend their neighbor the CAR, it is widely believed that this move was made so that the Pakistani economy could be salvaged with wartime spending.

The 8 divisions that were to be deployed to China and Japan are sent to the CAR, meaning 10 divisions of Light Infantry are being sent to our northern neighbor.

OOC: Speakin of which, how many points does Total War give you?

ooc
you can't go to Total War until you have had wartime economy for 1 year.

Also, how are you getting to the CAR? The UIR, Kashgaria and China are between you and them, and the UIR and Kashgaria are neutral, and the Chinese transportation links are wreckage, requiring at least several months HQ units (you will need at least 2) to get things organized enough to send troops.

Kashgaria is willing to let economic and miitary aid pass through, but not troops as that would blatantly violate neutrality and they have no interest in fighting the Russias (who they see as a counterweight to the Chinese and for that matter, you)

ooc
you can't go to Total War until you have had wartime economy for 1 year.

Also, how are you getting to the CAR? The UIR, Kashgaria and China are between you and them, and the UIR and Kashgaria are neutral, and the Chinese transportation links are wreckage, requiring at least several months HQ units (you will need at least 2) to get things organized enough to send troops.

Kashgaria is willing to let economic and miitary aid pass through, but not troops as that would blatantly violate neutrality and they have no interest in fighting the Russias (who they see as a counterweight to the Chinese and for that matter, you)

OOC:
The UIR is SCT though it is questionable whether they would let the troops through. You wouild have to ask Wart Endor.

ooc
you can't go to Total War until you have had wartime economy for 1 year.

Also, how are you getting to the CAR? The UIR, Kashgaria and China are between you and them, and the UIR and Kashgaria are neutral, and the Chinese transportation links are wreckage, requiring at least several months HQ units (you will need at least 2) to get things organized enough to send troops.

Kashgaria is willing to let economic and miitary aid pass through, but not troops as that would blatantly violate neutrality and they have no interest in fighting the Russias (who they see as a counterweight to the Chinese and for that matter, you)

Wrong; I border the CAR. Y'know that little strip of Afghanistan that is RL between Tajikstan and Pakistan? the UIR gave it to me in the peace deal at the end of my civil war.

Wrong; I border the CAR. Y'know that little strip of Afghanistan that is RL between Tajikstan and Pakistan? the UIR gave it to me in the peace deal at the end of my civil war.

ooc
ok, your funeral

Oh well.

*shuts down pipelines into Korea and Manchuria*


Isn't it possible that I sold them to a third party which in turn sod them to the SU, relieving me of all the blame? This is a serious question.

IC:

Japan transports 2 Light Infantry Divisions to Western China to aleviate the problems, and another 2 Divisions to areas around Beijing (The Cargo plane will remain with them to provide aditional support, and I have a HQ unit in Lushun)

Japan also condemns Pakistan for inflaming the war even further

ooc
ok, your funeral

OOC: I kinda WANT Pakistan to be destroyed. That way it'll be a bunch of little countries, so as I said before, I could pick the strongest one and keep it at that. Much easier to manage.

Or, I could pick another country. Poland looks nice, as do some other countries. I could also just turn into a Quebec separatist group, which would be fun.

Isn't it possible that I sold them to a third party which in turn sod them to the SU, relieving me of all the blame? This is a serious question.

IC:

Japan transports 2 Light Infantry Divisions to Western China to aleviate the problems, and another 2 Divisions to areas around Beijing (The Cargo plane will remain with them to provide aditional support, and I have a HQ unit in Lushun)

Japan also condemns Pakistan for inflaming the war even further

Russian intelligence would have picked it up anyway

April 1964
In Russia and Central Asia, mud continues to prevent significant ground operations and both sides use the opportunity to rest their troops and shift their air units around.

In Thrace, the Italians, British, and French launch an offensive and shatter the Turkish army in Thrace, while heavy bombers destroy the remaining Turkish and Ukrainian naval forces. British, Italian and French marines then land at the entrance of the Dardenelles, and with support of airborne and light infantry forces advance and capture Canakkale. http://wanderingstars.com/more/maps/turkey_map.jpg

Facing a serious crisis, the CSPS commits every bomber they can spare, 8 Tu22s (2 Turkish, 3 Polish, 3 Ukrainian), plus 5 Mig 25s (1 Turkish, 4 Ukrainian) only fighters with range to reach the target) at the combined British/Italian/French fleet, which also has cover from French, Italian and British fighters operating out of Greece and Cyprus.

The result is the biggest air attack since the Third Great War, and 1 French Mirage V, 1 British heavy air wing, 1 Ukrainian Mig 25, 1 Turkish Mig 25 and 1 Polish and 1 Ukrainian Tu22 unit are destroyed (1 Polish and 2 Ukrainian pilots lost as well). However several hits are scored on the British carrier (which is forced to retire heavily damaged), and a pair of British destroyers and most of the British amphibious assault group is sunk. Continued attacks cost the Italians and French their heavy carrier air wings but cost the Ukrainians 2 more Mig 25 wings, and 2 Polish and 2 Ukrainian Tu22 wings are also destroyed (and 4 Ukrainian and 2 Polish pilots are lost). The French lose a carrier sunk, and the Italians suffer one damaged but the CSPS runs out of planes before the Allies do and is forced to call off the strikes by April 10.

The Scandics and Turks commit every available reserve to attempt to push the landing back into the sea, but in heavy fighting are repulsed, with the Scandics losing 1 mountain brigade and the Turks a pair of light infantry divisions, while the British, Italians and French each lose a marine brigade. However, the Italians have 1 marine brigade, 3 mountain brigades and 3 airborne brigades they are able to bring in, and by the end of April have secured the eastern side of the Dardenelles, Hellespot and Sea of Marmara, while Allied forces crush the Turks in Thrace.

Its army all but destroyed, and facing the severe danger of a complete collapse, Turkey agrees to a cease fire and surrenders on April 30. Caught up in the surrender are 2 Scandic mountain brigades which are also forced to surrender.

Losses:
CSPS
3 Scandic mountain infantry brigades, all Turkish forces are destroyed or surrender, Ukrainian navy destroyed, 4 Ukrainian Mig 25 units, 3 Ukrainian Tu22 units, 3 Polish Tu 22 units, 7 Ukrainian pilot units, 3 Polish pilot units

Allies
1 British CVAN damaged (out of action until 1965), 1 heavy air wing, 1 marine brigade
1 French CVAN sunk, 1 heavy carrier air wing, 1 marine brigade
1 Italian CVAN damaged (out of action until 1965), 1 marine brigade

The war continues to remain at a lull in the North Sea area as both sides remain unwilling to press the issue

Meanwhile in the Indian Ocean, the South Africans send troops to Ceylon, while the British, French, Italians and South Africans assemble a sizeable force of bombers in Kenya. The Pakistanis mobilize and prepare to send forces meant for China to Central Asia. (ooc will game what happens there out tonight, but plan on the Allies hitting Pakistan to prevent them interfering).

Meanwhile in the Indian Ocean, the South Africans send troops to Ceylon, while the British, French, Italians and South Africans assemble a sizeable force of bombers in Kenya. The Pakistanis mobilize and prepare to send forces meant for China to Central Asia. (ooc will game what happens there out tonight, but plan on the Allies hitting Pakistan to prevent them interfering).

Yaaaaaaaaay! Finally, Pakistan gets to see some action.

I have the feeling this year, i get a lot of boo-boos from bombing raids and stuff. Next year, though, I build ICBM's. And other war machines. And stuff.

OOC:

Now the need is greater than ever to sell my 4 Mirage's for food, as essentially the entire US aid of 180 points is now gone because of the nuke stuff in Washington D.C.

Which means even if I went full tilt at National Effort, it'll be impossible to feed all my people plus restore electricity (my nuclear power plants). Assuming French and Russian aid dries up completely because of the CSPS war, it means that China will lose easily 100+ million people from starvation ALONE.

So China's population in 1965 would drop to something like 300 - 350 million total because of not enough points to feed everyone and everything.

There is a rising hatred of ALL Westerners in general, except the CSPS (if they do follow through on the "food for the Mirage's" deal). The people in China will easily blame the West for refusing to help China and having millions die that would otherwise be saved by Western aid.

Oh, and uh, just for the record...

I'm going to Washington, D.C. tommarah, so I will most likely not be able to do any RPing. So, I think 'twould be good if someone took over Pakistan until Sunday (I'm coming back on Saturday, but it's like a 10 hour drive from Worcester, MA to Washington.).

Here's my economy. (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11333783&postcount=1576)

It's got my military in there, too, so it should help. I also have like 10 nukes or something, but they're those big-ass bulky Hiroshima bombs. I've also got level 3 Chemical weapons tech, too.

You really shouldn't have to do anything besides direct my forces, but if something comes up and you need to do a build, I just thought you should have that info.

Russia sends separate notices to the CAR and Turkey to coordinate formal surrenders and peace treaties, which are also sent to other allied nations. Russia would require the following from Turkey (plus possibly other demands, as ordered by allies):
-Turkey withdraws from, and drops all claims to, lands under Greek control as of 1/1/1964, and ends hostilities against Greece and her allies
-Turkey suspends CSPS membership until all hostilities involving CSPS nations have ceased, and will not assist those nations at war with Greece and her allies
-Turkey will pay reparations for damages caused in her war against Greece (rebuild/repair affected factories)
-Turkey will suspend her nuclear program.

Demands sent to the CAR are:
-CAR forces end hostilities against Russian forces, which will withdraw upon signature of peace treaty
-CAR suspends CSPS membership until all hostilities involving CSPS nations have ceased, and will refrain from aiding those nations
-The CAR will surrender any planes in desert storage to Russia and her allies.
-CAR will suspend her nuclear program (if applicable).
-All ethnic Russians will be given opportunity to repatriate, and areas of high Russian concentration (East Kazakhstan, etc.) will be allowed UN monitored plebecites to determine whether they will remain in the CAR or rejoin Russia
-After all CSPS hostilities have ceased, Russia will pay to repair CAR industry damaged in the war.

Russia sends separate notices to the CAR and Turkey to coordinate formal surrenders and peace treaties, which are also sent to other allied nations. Russia would require the following from Turkey (plus possibly other demands, as ordered by allies):
-Turkey withdraws from, and drops all claims to, lands under Greek control as of 1/1/1964, and ends hostilities against Greece and her allies
-Turkey suspends CSPS membership until all hostilities involving CSPS nations have ceased, and will not assist those nations at war with Greece and her allies
-Turkey will pay reparations for damages caused in her war against Greece (rebuild/repair affected factories)
-Turkey will suspend her nuclear program.

Demands sent to the CAR are:
-CAR forces end hostilities against Russian forces, which will withdraw upon signature of peace treaty
-CAR suspends CSPS membership until all hostilities involving CSPS nations have ceased, and will refrain from aiding those nations
-The CAR will surrender any planes in desert storage to Russia and her allies.
-CAR will suspend her nuclear program (if applicable).
-All ethnic Russians will be given opportunity to repatriate, and areas of high Russian concentration (East Kazakhstan, etc.) will be allowed UN monitored plebecites to determine whether they will remain in the CAR or rejoin Russia
-After all CSPS hostilities have ceased, Russia will pay to repair CAR industry damaged in the war.

The Turks agree, the CAR doesn't yet because of promises of Pakistani aid

Situation South Asia early April
South African forces deployed to Ceylon
1 HQ unit, 1 light infantry division, 1 Mirage III unit, 1 Vulcan unit (at Diego Garcia)

plus South African Navy of 2 missile cruisers, 2 destroyers,
British Pacific Fleet with 1 heavy cruiser, 1 AA cruiser, 1 light cruiser, 2 destroyers, 2 frigates

Indian forces and targets

7 Commerce(30 merchant marine, 1 national airline, 1 international airline, and an extra 2 points from satellites) + 89 from production centers (59 production centers: 18 Agra, 5 Hyderabad, 4 Mumbai, 4 Calcutta, 4 Madras, 5 Dhaka, 4 Delhi, 5 Karachi, 5 Lahore, 4 Peshawar, 4 Quetta [3 in Agra from growth]), + 5 from Tourism = 141 points

(tourism dries up immediately because India becomes a war zone except for 2 points for internal tourism (actually religious migrations by the Hindus that occur annually)

Satellites were targeted and destroyed by US spacecraft and nuclear missiles along with all other SCT satellites.

1 HQ, 4 Garrison, 1 Mechanized corps, 16 light infantry divisions, 10 armored divisions, 2 parachute divisions, 14 Pilots, 4 C47, 2 Hal Marut, 1 light ship (10 old frigates),
8 P2V Neptune units,

British and South African naval units immediately target Pakistani shipping, sinking 3 shipping units and driving the rest into port (thus cutting off its commercial income).

Meanwhile, the British shift their Vulcan bombers from Britian and Malta, along with 4 tanker units, to bases in Kenya, which along with the other British African nations declare war on the CSPS, including India.

only Ireland, Australasia, Malaysia, and Burma of the British Commonwealth nations stay out of the war. The British Commonwealth also expels Pakistan.

ooc
just the NPC nations under Nigerian leadership are enough for that.

OOC:

Geez, just when I thought things couldn't get any worse and they do.

1. The US being nuked (Washington D.C. got nuked by its own people, wiping out US government).

2. Withdrawal of 180 points of US aid from China means 90 - 100 million people will now starve to death.

3. India enters the Russo-CSPS war, and the war now threatens to suck in what's left of the SCT.

4. With India's small economy (in proportion to its size) wrecked, any hope of a SCT rebuilding China and USEA goes down the drain.

5. A possible civil war in the US might see the use of nukes, which means even more carnage.

6. China, forced to sell its planes to the CSPS for Ukrainian food in light of the withdrawal of the entire US aid package (180 points or 90 million people worth of food)... now Russia is pissed off and ends supplies to China and Korea when these nations need it the most.

What more bad stuff can happen? The end of the world if these trends do continue. I'm aware I'm probably having "The Sky Is Falling" attitude but I really can't help it *this* time- things just keep getting worse and worse just like I said it would. I'm practically tearing my hair out out of frustration of watching E20 go down the tubes like this. Aggggh!!!

OOC:

Geez, just when I thought things couldn't get any worse and they do.

1. The US being nuked (Washington D.C. got nuked by its own people, wiping out US government).

2. Withdrawal of 180 points of US aid from China means 90 - 100 million people will now starve to death.

3. India enters the Russo-CSPS war, and the war now threatens to suck in what's left of the SCT.

4. With India's small economy (in proportion to its size) wrecked, any hope of a SCT rebuilding China and USEA goes down the drain.

5. A possible civil war in the US might see the use of nukes, which means even more carnage.

6. China, forced to sell its planes to the CSPS for Ukrainian food in light of the withdrawal of the entire US aid package (180 points or 90 million people worth of food)... now Russia is pissed off and ends supplies to China and Korea when these nations need it the most.

7. The Russians are attacking the CAR, which means my Mirage V's won't make it into Ukraine, which means no food from the Ukraine for me as payment for the planes (when I need food more than ever before considering the US withdrawal).

8. India has a few nukes stockpiled, which complicates matters even further. What's next? India nuking UK and South Africa, then another nuke exchange? (groans)

What more bad stuff can happen? I'm probably having "The Sky Is Falling" attitude but I really can't help it *this* time- things just keep getting worse and worse just like I said it would. Its becoming near-impossible for me to maintain even a shred of optimism when everything is going *SO* wrong.

I guess I should be even more infamous than Kordo (or should it be the USA instead of me?) as it was me or the USA that caused the end of modern civilization in E20.

I'm practically tearing my hair out out of frustration of watching E20 go down the tubes like this. Aggggh!!!

The FNS Government is outraged by the actions undertaken by the Pakistani Government. The three South American army groups are being prepared, and are now being placed at Defcon 3.

Situation South Asia early April
South African forces deployed to Ceylon
1 HQ unit, 1 light infantry division, 1 Mirage III unit, 1 Vulcan unit (at Diego Garcia)

plus South African Navy of 2 missile cruisers, 2 destroyers,
British Pacific Fleet with 1 heavy cruiser, 1 AA cruiser, 1 light cruiser, 2 destroyers, 2 frigates

Indian forces and targets

7 Commerce(30 merchant marine, 1 national airline, 1 international airline, and an extra 2 points from satellites) + 89 from production centers (59 production centers: 18 Agra, 5 Hyderabad, 4 Mumbai, 4 Calcutta, 4 Madras, 5 Dhaka, 4 Delhi, 5 Karachi, 5 Lahore, 4 Peshawar, 4 Quetta [3 in Agra from growth]), + 5 from Tourism = 141 points

(tourism dries up immediately because India becomes a war zone except for 2 points for internal tourism (actually religious migrations by the Hindus that occur annually)

Satellites were targeted and destroyed by US spacecraft and nuclear missiles along with all other SCT satellites.

1 HQ, 4 Garrison, 1 Mechanized corps, 16 light infantry divisions, 10 armored divisions, 2 parachute divisions, 14 Pilots, 4 C47, 2 Hal Marut, 1 light ship (10 old frigates),
8 P2V Neptune units,

British and South African naval units immediately target Pakistani shipping, sinking 3 shipping units and driving the rest into port (thus cutting off its commercial income).

Meanwhile, the British shift their Vulcan bombers from Britian and Malta, along with 4 tanker units, to bases in Kenya, which along with the other British African nations declare war on the CSPS, including India.

only Ireland, Australasia, Malaysia, and Burma of the British Commonwealth nations stay out of the war. The British Commonwealth also expels Pakistan.

ooc
just the NPC nations under Nigerian leadership are enough for that.


useful maps
http://165.29.91.7/classes/humanities/worldstud/97-98/imper/india/map.jpg

http://www.athaia.com/images/cartes/pakistan.jpg

http://www.atmos.washington.edu/~davidc/ATMS211/Phys_map-India.jpeg

http://www.candle-web.co.uk/choomti/choomti-images/maps/map-india-railways-large.jpg

http://www.mapsofworld.com/bangladesh/maps/bangladesh-rail-network-map.gif

The FNS Government is outraged by the actions undertaken by the Pakistani Government. The three South American army groups are being prepared, and are now being placed at Defcon 3.

ooc
on what date specifically, figure 6 weeks steaming time plus 2 weeks loading time to get to India

aircraft units can get to Ceylon or Kenya in 2 weeks, but require 1 transport unit to lift 1 combat aircraft unit (for the support people and basic supplies to begin operations)

Strategic bombers may begin operations immediately operating from their home bases, but will require 1 tanker unit for each bomber unit. I will need Specific targets and weapons used (conventional or other)

ooc
Additional research indicates that 50% of the population between the Yangtze and Yellow Rivers will die from radiation, secondary radiation (from contact with contiminated substances), famine, opportunistic diseases (like cholera, pneumonia etc) and civil disorder (starving people fighting over limited food).

Outside of that area, the losses will reach roughly 20%, even in areas where assistance is being provided because of the sheer numbers involved and the size of the area geographically. As nearly 60% of the Chinese population lives in the Yangtze and Yellow River valleys, this means the death toll from the nuclear strike on China will reach 180 million in Central China, and 50 million elsewhere. Plus the 50 million killed in the strikes.

Total death toll in China in 1964 will be 280 million, or 46& of the population. Government will collapse completely as will commerce, trade and everything beyond basic survival in the area of 50% fatalities. In short, China will get half of its already severely truncated production for this year. With the loss of immediate aid because of the war in Europe, South Asia, Central Asia and Arabia, the death toll is worse then it could have been. Substantially worse. (about 75 million more then originally determined)

Indochina will suffer 10% death rates in Vietnam and Thailand, but only 2% death rates in Cambodia and Laos. However, as most (65%)of the population of the USAE lives in the 30% death rate area, it will suffer the loss of nearly 5 million people, plus the 2 million killed as a direct result of the attacks (which includes nearly the entire army and air force and a lot of the navy shore establishment). In addition, China will still not be able to feed its much reduced population next year, having sufficient food production areas and effective transportation of food stuffs available for roughly 200 million (a serious shortfall and famine for the rest, with 25% death rates in famine areas). This is before further climatic effects are factored in, which at this point, would not be known.

Egyptian losses remain as posted. Turkish losses in total include 6 million directly as a result of the attack, plus another 10% of the population due to fall out, food shortages and other secondary effects (another 2 million) for a total death toll of 8 million.

The Scandic Union death toll tops 600,000 including those killed in the attack itself and secondary effects, while the US has lost roughly 100,000 killed in the destruction of the Capitol, and secondary effects (nearly entirely from radiation).

Egypt suffered of course the highest proportional death toll.

In other words, in a year, more people will have been killed by war then all of the wars every fought (put together).


The most likely effect on China is it splitting into two countries.. the survivors who live in the south (who speak Cantonese) and the survivors who live in the north (who speak Mandarian and Manchurian). A vast area of desperate people will be between them. In spite of government orders, local governments are going to start cannabilizing damaged factories to get at least some production going (representing salvage). Surviving legislators are going to demand this be done nation wide to get some kind of income going in the devasted areas.

Good god, things just keep getting worse and worse.

I can handle China losing 1/2 of its population and all that stuff... But it splitting into two nations, now that I can't handle short of launching another massive war to re-annex the other half all over again (consquences be damned).

Good god, things just keep getting worse and worse.

I can handle China losing 1/2 of its population and all that stuff... But it splitting into two nations, now that I can't handle short of launching another massive war to re-annex the other half all over again (consquences be damned).

How about the surviving government officialy declaring that to increase the ability of China as a whole to reconstruct it has to be divided into seperate states.
You then have three or four seperate states such as Tibet, Canton, Central China and Manchuria.

After reconstruction is completed you then begin the process of unfying these states together through diplomacy.

OOC: Of course if the original government was not so supportive of the aggressors in the European War, good relations might have led to major recognition of a certain one of the two states as the official government of China and maybe even some post-war aid, but no, China had to work hard to help the CSPS because they promised food.

Russia sends separate notices to the CAR and Turkey to coordinate formal surrenders and peace treaties, which are also sent to other allied nations. Russia would require the following from Turkey (plus possibly other demands, as ordered by allies):
-Turkey withdraws from, and drops all claims to, lands under Greek control as of 1/1/1964, and ends hostilities against Greece and her allies
-Turkey suspends CSPS membership until all hostilities involving CSPS nations have ceased, and will not assist those nations at war with Greece and her allies
-Turkey will pay reparations for damages caused in her war against Greece (rebuild/repair affected factories)
-Turkey will suspend her nuclear program.

In addition to Russian Demands, The French demand the Following:
A-A limit to be placed on the maximum amount the Turkish Millitary can reach and limits on what hardware can be used, these in detail are:
-Up to five Garrison Divisions
-maximum of Two Reserve Light Infantry
-1 Flak Group.
-Maximum of 1 Fighter Wing of an air combat no more than eleven (eg: Yak 25, Mirage IIIE, M107C)
-Limit on Navy to 3 Escort/patrol Groups or Coastal Patrol group

B-Following the Devestation caused by the Egyptian Nuclear Attack and the irresponsibility of the local government in continuing the doomed war effort despite the damage caused we demand the Turkish Recovery be handled by a responsible body such as the UN.

C-Not a demand but an appeal to the Russians to postpone reparations until a sufficient amount of Turkish Economy is rebuilt.

OOC: Of course if the original government was not so supportive of the aggressors in the European War, good relations might have led to major recognition of a certain one of the two states as the official government of China and maybe even some post-war aid, but no, China had to work hard to help the CSPS because they promised food.

Hey, I don't see you offering to buy the planes instead.
See how it looks, China has all the aid withdrawn form under it's nose because of this war, then the Scandics come along and say 'hey we'll buy your surplus planes in exchange for aid' What would you do?

This is getting to be too much for me.

1. I've watched China get nuked even though I made no aggressive actions aganist the OA / the US. I accepted that.

2. I watched China lose 50 million population in the nuke strikes, and the possibility of massive starvation. I accepted that.

3. The world pledged aid to China, then suddenly withdrew nearly all of it because of the stupid war in Europe. I accepted that.

4. Russia withdrew its energy aid to China after China had no choice but to sell its military planes for more food mainly because of world withdrawing aid (especially US and UK). I accepted that.

5. I learned China will lose 1/2 of its population. I accept that, but barely (reaching my breaking point).

6. Finally I learn that China probably will be divided into smaller states like back in the 1930's, BUT with no LTA around to help China retake what it lost. That becomes too much for me to bear (especially if another player swoops in and takes control of 1/2 part of my nation that I worked for a full year trying to create and develop).

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There's only so much I can take before I'm pushed beyond my limit. Not only China, but watching the rest of the world be effectively destroyed.

1. The war in Europe now is killing Russia and the nations in the CSPS.

2. Egypt is totally gone.

3. Turkey's half gone or worse.

4. India is entering the European war, and is likely to be decimated by the UK and South Africa.

5. The US has been nuked, and faces a real possibility of Civil War Two (but possibly with nuke usage)

6. USEA is pretty much devastated.

7. China is pretty much gone, especially if secessions and crap happens.

8. Korea, Japan, and Philippines will have lots of radiation, crop shortage, diseases, etc. happening to them.

9. If the SU has its back towards the wall, it might end up nuking all the nations aligned aganist it as a "national survival at stake" thing. Meaning UK, France, Russia, etc. get nuked.

10. Germany might end up involved in war through the Arab Federation. The Arab Federation looks like it might go to war aganist the Omanis and by extension the UK and the Commonwealth. There goes the Middle East (on top of Egypt being wiped out).

11. If Germany gets involved, the war will get worse, meaning more player nations wiped out (Germany, SU, etc.).

12. Then the only significant nations left would be Australia and the FNS. Malkyer (South Africa) has retired for a month or so so South Africa is out of the picture.

13. How fun will it be in E20 to RP wastelands at 1 RL week = 1 year timescale? Its looking very likely 1/2 to 2/3 of the players in E20 will have very little or nothing left to RP around with.

14. The situations keep getting worse and worse in 1964. Every time we think it can't get any worse, it actually does.

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So I'm *REALLY* starting to feel that we need to do either one of the following...

1. Rewind to start of 1964 before all these things happened. This means...

Egypt = still alive, not nuked
China = still alive, not nuked, and stable
USA = stable and no civil war
SU = less likely to destroy Europe in war, not nuked
Turkey = still alive, not nuked
USEA = still alive, not nuked, and stable
Russia = still decently strong, no widespread war damage to European Russia
India / Pakistan = not get destroyed or decimated
Japan = stable, no radiation, no disease epidemics
Korea = same as Japan
Philippines = same as Japan
UK = not risk lots of destruction should the European war continue

And so on.

This time around, China will actually destroy all its nuclear weapons, Strom Thurmond doesn't come to power and nuke China, the chain of events which followed won't happen, Egypt and Turkey wouldn't have their nuclear exchange, and the war in Europe won't be happening... and so on.

OR

2. A restart to 1900, but keep our current economic system (points, social services, factories, military maintainence, unit costs, etc.) to determine a more realistic 1900's-1930's, as well as a new E20 that doesn't have outrageous things like Germany invading Venzeula, Denmark trying to annex the Dominican Republics, the improbable rise of the Union (Germany+Russia), among other things.

This will allow us to learn from all our mistakes the first time around, and make a much better E20 in the long run.

OR

3. Fast forward E20 to the year 2000, transforming E20 to "E-21", or in other words, Earth 2000 - 2100. By then, practically all the nations have rebuilt from the "Apocalypse of 1964", populations and economy back on good terms and growth, the radiation + cancer + crap all dissipate / reduced a lot, all rebellions / secessions been put down (like in China and US if they do happen), and so forth.

Then we'll be able to start the Space Age in earnest, which means if Earth was wiped out in the 21st century, we can still survive on Mars or something.

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I truly believe my reasoning for all this is perfectly justified (overreacting or not) considering the rate that things are really degenerating ing E20 in 1964. At this rate (going from a US nuke strike on China to the US having its own capital nuked by its own people, Egypt being wiped clean off the map, and perhaps even almost as many as 1/2 billion people dead), there won't be much anything left for players to RP with.

Even if players switched nations, they will still have very little to RP or work with.

Seriously, nukes should have never been used- I don't mind E20 having problems like Great Depressions, global wars, nations being savaged... but not the extremes that are happening in 1964 (400 - 500 million people dead, Europe and Asia = wastelands, the US in civil war, Egypt and Turkey wiped out, and so forth ALL AT ONCE in one game year = too extreme).

This is getting to be too much for me.

1. I've watched China get nuked even though I made no aggressive actions aganist the OA / the US. I accepted that.

2. I watched China lose 50 million population in the nuke strikes, and the possibility of massive starvation. I accepted that.

3. The world pledged aid to China, then suddenly withdrew nearly all of it because of the stupid war in Europe. I accepted that.

4. Russia withdrew its energy aid to China after China had no choice but to sell its military planes for more food mainly because of world withdrawing aid (especially US and UK). I accepted that.

5. I learned China will lose 1/2 of its population. I accept that, but barely (reaching my breaking point).

6. Finally I learn that China probably will be divided into smaller states like back in the 1930's, BUT with no LTA around to help China retake what it lost. That becomes too much for me to bear (especially if another player swoops in and takes control of 1/2 part of my nation that I worked for a full year trying to create and develop).

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There's only so much I can take before I'm pushed beyond my limit. Not only China, but watching the rest of the world be effectively destroyed.

1. The war in Europe now is killing Russia and the nations in the CSPS.

2. Egypt is totally gone.

3. Turkey's half gone or worse.

4. India is entering the European war, and is likely to be decimated by the UK and South Africa.

5. The US has been nuked, and faces a real possibility of Civil War Two (but possibly with nuke usage)

6. USEA is pretty much devastated.

7. China is pretty much gone, especially if secessions and crap happens.

8. Korea, Japan, and Philippines will have lots of radiation, crop shortage, diseases, etc. happening to them.

9. If the SU has its back towards the wall, it might end up nuking all the nations aligned aganist it as a "national survival at stake" thing. Meaning UK, France, Russia, etc. get nuked.

10. Germany might end up involved in war through the Arab Federation. The Arab Federation looks like it might go to war aganist the Omanis and by extension the UK and the Commonwealth. There goes the Middle East (on top of Egypt being wiped out).

11. If Germany gets involved, the war will get worse, meaning more player nations wiped out (Germany, SU, etc.).

12. Then the only significant nations left would be Australia and the FNS. Malkyer (South Africa) has retired for a month or so so South Africa is out of the picture.

13. How fun will it be in E20 to RP wastelands at 1 RL week = 1 year timescale? Its looking very likely 1/2 to 2/3 of the players in E20 will have very little or nothing left to RP around with.

14. The situations keep getting worse and worse in 1964. Every time we think it can't get any worse, it actually does.

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So I'm *REALLY* starting to feel that we need to do either one of the following...

1. Rewind to start of 1964 before all these things happened. This means...

Egypt = still alive, not nuked
China = still alive, not nuked, and stable
USA = stable and no civil war
SU = less likely to destroy Europe in war, not nuked
Turkey = still alive, not nuked
USEA = still alive, not nuked, and stable
Russia = still decently strong, no widespread war damage to European Russia
India / Pakistan = not get destroyed or decimated
Japan = stable, no radiation, no disease epidemics
Korea = same as Japan
Philippines = same as Japan
UK = not risk lots of destruction should the European war continue

And so on.

This time around, China will actually destroy all its nuclear weapons, Strom Thurmond doesn't come to power and nuke China, the chain of events which followed won't happen, Egypt and Turkey wouldn't have their nuclear exchange, and the war in Europe won't be happening... and so on.

OR

2. A restart to 1900, but keep our current economic system (points, social services, factories, military maintainence, unit costs, etc.) to determine a more realistic 1900's-1930's, as well as a new E20 that doesn't have outrageous things like Germany invading Venzeula, Denmark trying to annex the Dominican Republics, the improbable rise of the Union (Germany+Russia), among other things.

This will allow us to learn from all our mistakes the first time around, and make a much better E20 in the long run.

OR

3. Fast forward E20 to the year 2000, transforming E20 to "E-21", or in other words, Earth 2000 - 2100. By then, practically all the nations have rebuilt from the "Apocalypse of 1964", populations and economy back on good terms and growth, the radiation + cancer + crap all dissipate / reduced a lot, all rebellions / secessions been put down (like in China and US if they do happen), and so forth.

Then we'll be able to start the Space Age in earnest, which means if Earth was wiped out in the 21st century, we can still survive on Mars or something.

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I truly believe my reasoning for all this is perfectly justified (overreacting or not) considering the rate that things are really degenerating ing E20 in 1964. At this rate (going from a US nuke strike on China to the US having its own capital nuked by its own people, Egypt being wiped clean off the map, and perhaps even almost as many as 1/2 billion people dead), there won't be much anything left for players to RP with.

Even if players switched nations, they will still have very little to RP or work with.

Seriously, nukes should have never been used- I don't mind E20 having problems like Great Depressions, global wars, nations being savaged... but not the extremes that are happening in 1964 (400 - 500 million people dead, Europe and Asia = wastelands, the US in civil war, Egypt and Turkey wiped out, and so forth ALL AT ONCE in one game year = too extreme).


I vote for No. 2.
And I agree having all this weird stuff happen in one year is a little stupid.

I vote for No. 2.
And I agree having all this weird stuff happen in one year is a little stupid.

2 to 3 game months, actually. Mid-Jan. to Mid-March (roughly 2 months, but if April's included, thats 3 months).

2 to 3 game months, actually. Mid-Jan. to Mid-March (roughly 2 months, but if April's included, thats 3 months).

Even stupider

Even stupider

Go vote on the #2 proposal in the E20 main thread- I made a post outlining the 3 proposed solutions to this escalating "extreme-ness" stuff.

Actually yeah, now I am seeing this get real stupid. I mean their is a limit to when it just gets stupid and today has reached it.

ooc
damn I wish you guys would post all of this OOC stuff in the main thread (sigh)

Anyway, the FNS has given me orders

IC
The FNS freezes CSPS assets, halts the sale of weapons and enters the war on the side of Russia under the terms of the Oceanic Alliance defense treaty at the end of March. FNS troops, aircraft and ships begin preparing for movement overseas in early April, with fighters arriving in England in mid April, FNS naval units taking up patrol stations in the Atlantic at the same time and transports leaving FNS Pacific ports in mid April as well.

The UIP will open it's borders to 10 million Chinese and 5 million USEA immigrants to it's northern reaches. THis will allow them to be irradiated and be processed into UIP Citizienship if they so desire.

THe government will then employ them into the farm development program for further food yeilds. (I have been putting alot into farming and food propriation. Which means even less effects on my agricultural centers. Not to mention the whole rural electrification going on at this time.)

Japanese and Korean military commanders inform their governments that a massive increase in ground troops will be required to try to hold things together in China. In addition, what aid that can be spared should be used to create Chinese militia units to assist.

Meanwhile, Ireland promises to send an infantry brigade, the Burgundians will send a infantry division, the Dutch an infantry division and the Belgians a HQ and an infantry division to assist. These forces will operate in Formosa to replace the American troops who are abruptly leaving, and will arrive in May. If the Chinese government approves the action. They will be under UN authority.

Liberia promises a C130 transport unit to assist in Formosa, and the Belgian Congolese will send a transport helicopter and 1 C123 transport unit to Formosa as well.

ooc
it will reduce some of the death toll caused by civil disorder

Turkish Forces (at time of surrender)
Air Force
3 pilots, no aircraft available
Navy
none except minesweepers and harbor craft
Army
1 HQ, 2 light infantry divisions, 1 mechanized division,

CAR Forces
Air Force
3 pilots, 3 F101B interceptors, plus 1 Azerbaijan Tu22 bomber, 1 pilot (volunteers from Azerbaijan) (Azerbaijan aircraft and pilots flying under CAR markings and officially are in CAR Air Force)
Army
1 HQ, 1 armored division, 1 infantry corps,

Kashgaria (neutral)
4 garrison units, 1 Mig 25, 1 pilot

Azerbaijan (neutral)
1 MIG25, 1 Mirage V, 1 Tu22, 3 pilots, 2 flak units, 1 garrison unit, 2 infantry corps

Current deployments
Northern Front
Scandic: 1 HQ, 4 armored divisions, 2 mechanized artillery groups, 2 gunship units, 2 pilots organized as 1st Army (Novgorad)
2 mechanized divisions, 1 mech arty group assembling to advance on Archangel

Polish: 1 HQ, 4 armored divisions, 2 infantry corps, 2 airborne brigades, 2 transport helicopter units, 2 pilots organized as 2nd Army (Pskov)
1 Scandic garrison unit at Petrograd,

Ukrainian Front
Ukranian: 2 armored divisions, 1 mechanized divisions, 1 artillery group, 1 flak group and 2 attack helicopter units, 2 pilots as the 3rd Army (at Volgograd)
4 armored divisions, 2 mechanized divisions, 2 artillery groups, 1 flak group, 1 HQ, and 2 attack helicopter units, 2 pilots as the 4th Army (at Voronezh)
3 armored divisions, 1 mechanized division, 1 artillery group, 1 flak group, 2 attack helicopters, 1 transport helicopter, 3 pilots, 1 SF airborne brigade and 1 HQ unit as the 5th Army (at Voronezhl)
Polish: 1 HQ, 4 armored divisions, 2 infantry corps, 2 mechanized artillery groups,

Bug River Front (Rumanian / Ukrainian Border)
Ukraine: 1 garrison unit

Reserve forces as yet not committed or tied down at home:
Scandic Union
1 Garrison unit at Kiel
4 flak (home defense Stockholm, Trondheim, Copenhagen, Kiel), 1 mech arty, 1 mech division (Oslo),
Available Air units that can reach any front:
6 Draken, 1 Draken Wild Weasel, 1 Mig 25, 4 Mirage V, 1 Tu95, 1 Tu16, 1 Tu22, 1 ETU95, 1 KC97 Tanker, 4 AH units, 22 pilots (1 pilot available for immediate transition to reserve aircraft, with Mig pilots available for transition as well)
Other home forces:
1 Nuclear attack submarine, 2 Ballistic missile subs, 4 destroyer squadrons (8 DDG), 1 nuclear heavy missile cruiser, 2 nuclear anti-aircraft cruiser (guarding Kattegat or in Baltic Sea)
Nuclear forces
30 2nd generation IRBMs, 48 3rd generation ICBMs (all solid fuel, MIRVed)
Polish forces in Scandic Union: 2 airborne brigades, 2 transport helicopters (in Karellia), 1 infantry corps in Denmark, 1 mechanized division in Tronheim

Poland
1 HQ, 5 armored divisions, 5 mech divisions, 8 flak (guarding cities)
Available air units that can reach any front:
5 Draken, 4 Mirage V, 14 MIG 25, 2 Tu22, 2 Tu16, 1 KC97, 1 Tu 107, 1 ETU95, 6 gunship, 4 transport helo, 1 ASW helo, 33 pilots (no reserves but 14 Mig pilots can transition to other aircraft)
other home forces
3 destroyer squadrons (6 DDG) , 1 nuclear heavy missile cruiser, 3 SSN, 1 CVAN, 1 heavy air wing

Ukraine
2 armored divisions, 1 mechanized division, 3 garrison units, 2 mech flak available (guarding coast or borders)
Available air units that can reach any front:
4 Draken, 4 Mirage V, 5 MiG 25’s, 1 Tu 22, 1 Lansen, 1 Tu 107, 2 ETU95, 6 AH, 1 transport, 25 pilots
Ukrainian navy has been destroyed except for some coastal harbor craft and minesweepers

Turkey and the CAR have no other reserves

Poland and the Ukraine are producing the Mig23, which will begin reaching combat units at the rate of 3 units a month beginning in June (1 each for Scandic Union, Poland and Ukraine).

The Reserve fleet has been activated and is working up in the Baltic Sea and Black Sea (for Ukraine)
3 TL7 nuclear attack subs(SU), 2 TL 7 nuclear attack subs(Ukraine), 2 TL7.5 diesel sub groups(SU), 2 TL7 Diesel sub groups (1 each Poland, Ukraine), 1 heavy missile cruiser(SU), 2 AA cruisers(SU)

The hard lessons of war – Twilight War 1964

Air power
Both sides discover that aircraft like the Yak 25, Arrow, Mig 25 and Lightning are excellent for finding and shooting down heavy bombers like the Tu22 and Vulcan but are poorly designed for air to air combat with another fighter. They lack the maneuverability of aircraft like the Mirage V and F4 and also lack the ability to carry a useful bomb load. The air to air missile also turn out to be only a weapon of promise as only between 10 – 20% of air to air missiles actually hit targets, and guns prove to be still the main weapon of a fighter plane. The interceptors, equipped to carry lots of air to air missiles, lack guns or enough ammunition for their guns to be as effective as they might be otherwise.

SAMs and AAA fire prove to be much more effective then anticipated and all air forces involved rapidly regret not having dedicated defense suppression units deployed as losses climb.

As the war goes on, the interceptors that make up the bulk of fighter strength are replaced by new aircraft like the Mirage V, F4G and Mirage F1, or older aircraft like the Draken and Mirage III. These aircraft, with their heavy cannon armament and ability to also carry a useful bomb load, replace the over specialized interceptors.

Tactics are also developed to deal with Flak and SAM units, and specialized units of Wild Weasel defense suppression aircraft see increasing use.

The warring powers also discover they lack nearly enough tankers or transport aircraft. While the US Air Force is able to with relative ease set up air bridges from North America to Asia, none of the warring powers have nearly enough transports to even remotely consider such efforts. Therefore, the allied powers are forced to shift forces around by rail and ship while the CSPS nations lose their ability to influence events in Central Asia or elsewhere as they lack enough air transports to be useful.

The few transport aircraft units that make it to China provide the difference between life or death of millions, and the UN begins encouraging member nations who are assisting in the effort there to buy or build more.

The helicopter gunship sees its first combat service, and proves highly useful in Russia and the Aegean. Once again, not enough are available but they are invaluable when they are present, making an attacking force two or three times as powerful as it would be otherwise and offering similar advantages on the defensive.

Naval Power
Surface vessels turn out to have a much shorter combat life then pre war planners expected. The mine, which is used in large numbers becomes decisive as well. The British, Italians and French are forced to spend months clearing the Dardenelles after Turkey surrenders, delaying their entry into the Black Sea. Mines are also decisive in the first major battle between surface ships, inflicting a significant portion of the losses. Navies also discover they are still highly vulnerable to aircraft and more importantly, stand off missiles launched by aircraft. Air defense computers and radar plots are simply inadequate to deal with more then a few missiles at a time, and the CSPS tactic of using heavy bombers to launch dozens of missiles results in the sinking of 2 carriers and damage or loss of a number of other ships. Only interception out of missile launch range is effective, and ultimately makes the difference in the defeat of Turkey.

Missile boats turn out to be highly useful off Arabia and in the Aegean, but lack the range to do more than this. However, their usefulness does turn out to be far more then expected and they are actually decisive off Arabia.

Submarines are also highly effective, and turn out to be deadly weapons when used against one another. Most of the losses suffered by the CSPS are caused by British submarines.

Ground combat
The war sees the first use of body armor by soldiers since the Middle Ages, and flak jackets reduce the number of dead as they provide considerable protection from shell and bomb fragments. They aren’t able to stop a direct hit by a rifle or assault rifle, but many wounds that would have killed a soldier in early wars are now survivable. Especially with the much higher quality medical care available and increased use of ambulance helicopters, which both sides chose to treat as noncombatant vehicles and refrain usually from shooting at.

The huge frontages in Russia and Central Asia, along with the ever present fear that one side or the other would use nuclear weapons and continual risk of air attack by deadly strike and bomber aircraft force a major revision in tactics as well. Units operate as independent battalions and brigades, with their headquarters elements far to the rear. The fact that all military vehicles are four wheel drive makes supply easier, and dramatically more effective radios is also highly important. But dispersion is critical on the modern battlefield, as a massed force is too tempting a target, and in a major fight, the high speed of mechanized units allows them to concentrate quickly when needed in any event.

Situation South Asia early April
South African forces deployed to Ceylon
1 HQ unit, 1 light infantry division, 1 Mirage III unit, 1 Vulcan unit (at Diego Garcia)

plus South African Navy of 2 missile cruisers, 2 destroyers,
British Pacific Fleet with 1 heavy cruiser, 1 AA cruiser, 1 light cruiser, 2 destroyers, 2 frigates

Indian forces and targets

7 Commerce(30 merchant marine, 1 national airline, 1 international airline, and an extra 2 points from satellites) + 89 from production centers (59 production centers: 18 Agra, 5 Hyderabad, 4 Mumbai, 4 Calcutta, 4 Madras, 5 Dhaka, 4 Delhi, 5 Karachi, 5 Lahore, 4 Peshawar, 4 Quetta [3 in Agra from growth]), + 5 from Tourism = 141 points

(tourism dries up immediately because India becomes a war zone except for 2 points for internal tourism (actually religious migrations by the Hindus that occur annually)

Satellites were targeted and destroyed by US spacecraft and nuclear missiles along with all other SCT satellites.

1 HQ, 4 Garrison, 1 Mechanized corps, 16 light infantry divisions, 10 armored divisions, 2 parachute divisions, 14 Pilots, 4 C47, 2 Hal Marut, 1 light ship (10 old frigates),
8 P2V Neptune units,

British and South African naval units immediately target Pakistani shipping, sinking 3 shipping units and driving the rest into port (thus cutting off its commercial income).

Meanwhile, the British shift their Vulcan bombers from Britian and Malta, along with 4 tanker units, to bases in Kenya, which along with the other British African nations declare war on the CSPS, including India.

only Ireland, Australasia, Malaysia, and Burma of the British Commonwealth nations stay out of the war. The British Commonwealth also expels Pakistan.

ooc
just the NPC nations under Nigerian leadership are enough for that.

Indonesia is a British Commonwealth nation. Did they join the war? I would expect if Australia and Malyasia stay out it will too.

Indonesia is a British Commonwealth nation. Did they join the war? I would expect if Australia and Malyasia stay out it will too.

ooc
couldn't remember if they were Commonwealth or not.. yes, they stay out of the war

YAY throwing a wrench into things then.

Australasia, after a furious debate in Parliament, joins the Commonwealth in its war against Pakistan (and ONLY Pakistan). The measure barely passes by calling on loyalty to the crown, and emphasis on this being a Pacific affair. Australian pilots flying over the United Kingdom are conviniently not mentioned.

The 1st Fleet is deployed to Ceylon, along with 1 Flak unit, 2 F4 Phantom wings and 1 F111 wing. (plus anything else I told GB that wasnt mentioned here b/c I am dumb and forgot.)

Additional aid is deployed to China. Total Australasian aid to the region now is 1 HQ unit, 2 Infantry Divisions, and two Light Marine Brigades (unless what I told GB was different. Again, sorry for the short attention span. The whole world imploding will do that to a guy...)

Now, off to the Australian thread to explain my wild ride! HO!

The Imperial Japanese Militay releseases 4 Paracute Brigades, 2 Gunships, 2 Helicopter Transports, 1 Armored, 3 Mechanized Divisions, and 4 Mountain Brigades to send to China and promises 50 points of aid next year (I think it's 50, Ato Sara I'm doing my own builds now).

the navy also begins massive projects to send aid to port cities.

Also, Japan allows 20 milion Chinese citizens temporary stay in Japan until the problems in China can be solved

The South American Federation offers to take on several million Chinese refugees until China can support their populous.

Malaysia follows the lead of the Australians and declares war on Pakistan and provides port facilities to British, Australian and South African naval forces.

Indonesia declares war as well, but limits its support to providing basing rights to Commonwealth forces.

The US informs Japan and Korea (via the Canadians) that the US will send a total of 40 points of aid to China and would like the Japanese and Koreans to administer it, using any they need for their own needs first.

The US also informs the Australians and UN force in Formosa that 20 points each will pass from the US to them to use for aid to China.

ooc
the US pulled out its troops and planes, but not its economic aid. After all, the US government buying all that wheat and rice is good for American farmers dealing with a depression.

Russians
Arctic area
5th mountain brigade (guarding Archangel)
1st Parachute brigade plus 1 transport helicopter unit (based out of Archangel, conducting raids on Karellian communications links

Northwestern Front facing Scandic and Polish forces
Valdai line (stretching from Kallinin to Velikeye Luki)
5th Infantry corps (6 brigades, 2 flak units)
6th Infantry corps (6 brigades, 2 flak units)
7th mechanized division (3 brigades, 1 flak unit)
8th mechanize division (3 brigades, 1 flak unit)
5th garrison corps (3 brigades, 1 flak units)
6th garrison corps (3 brigades, 1 flak units)
8th garrison corps (3 brigades, 1 flak units)

Moscow defenses
4 flak units, 2nd and 3rd parachute brigades, 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 4th mountain brigades, 1 attach helicopter unit, 1 cargo helicopter unit, 2 pilots

refitting in the Ryazan area (refitting with equipment donated by US Army)
1st Armored Corps (consists of 6 armored brigades, 1 flak unit)
2nd Infantry corps (consists of 6 infantry brigades, 1 flak unit )
2nd Mechanized Infantry division (3 mechanized brigades)
1st Mechanized Infantry division (3 mechanized brigades)
1 HQ unit

Tula / Saratov line
8th mechanized division (3 brigades, 1 flak unit)
9th mechanized division (3 brigades 1 flak unit)
10th mechanized division (3 brigades 1 flak unit)
22nd infantry division (3 brigades, 1 flak unit)
3rd mechanized division (3 brigades, 1 flak unit)
4th mechanized division (3 brigades, 1 flak unit)

Fortress Astrakhan
14th light infantry division, 33rd infantry division, 2 flak groups

Kazakhstan
4 militia units

Russian Air Force
4 F4E fighter units, 2 Yak 28 fighter bomber units, 3 Su 22 fighter bomber units, 4 F105 light bomber units, 2 Kfir fighter bomber units, 1 RA22 recon unit, 1 EA22 AEW unit, 17 pilots
Flying Tigers: 4 F4G, 1 WF105, 1 KC135, 1 attack helicopter unit, 1 cargo helicopter unit, 9 pilots
Canadian Air Force: 2 F4G fighter units, 1 C130 transport unit, 2 airborne brigades, 3 pilots

10 1st generation SSNs at Petropovlavsk (operating in the North Pacific)

the loss of both Rostov and Volgograd force the Russians to scuttle what remains of the Black Sea fleet as they no longer have a secure base. Personnel are sent to Pacific bases.

The US informs Japan and Korea (via the Canadians) that the US will send a total of 40 points of aid to China and would like the Japanese and Koreans to administer it, using any they need for their own needs first.

The US also informs the Australians and UN force in Formosa that 20 points each will pass from the US to them to use for aid to China.

ooc
the US pulled out its troops and planes, but not its economic aid. After all, the US government buying all that wheat and rice is good for American farmers dealing with a depression.

Emperor Geon informs the US via Korean Diplomatic personnel in Canada that they will administer the aid as needed.

OOC: So, how would this work? Do I factor this into my '64 build, or what?

Emperor Geon informs the US via Korean Diplomatic personnel in Canada that they will administer the aid as needed.

OOC: So, how would this work? Do I factor this into my '64 build, or what?

ooc
its just an IC way to pass on some points to China

ooc
its just an IC way to pass on some points to China

OOC: Okay.

IC:

The newly designated Augmented Rapid Reaction Force (augmented with extra troops from Korea itself) begins distributing the food aid to the Chinese in its zone, meaning those in Shenyang and large areas nearby might be able to eat tonight....

Meanwhile, the Emperor authorizes the opening of Korean armories to allow any shipments of WW3/Korean Civil War-era small arms (M1 Garand and possibly older Mannlicher-type bolt-actions, plus some BARs and Tommy Guns) that can be spared to equip Chinese Police units that can be used to augment the Korean ARRF forces, and training in their use. (OOC: ICly, this represents funds shunted to aid in the development of Chinese Militia units)

Japan begins training people and equiping them with older weapons. Militia in Lushun, Beijing, Lhasa, Shanghai, and Harbin are being raised

Its army all but destroyed, and facing the severe danger of a complete collapse, Turkey agrees to a cease fire and surrenders on April 30. Caught up in the surrender are 2 Scandic mountain brigades which are also forced to surrender.


In addition to the Russian and French demands, Italy also demands that Turkey dismantle its nuclear program, hand all nuclear weapons over to the British, and forever foreswear nuclear weapons.

May 1964
Turkey, having surrendered unconditionally, asks the UN to oversee any occupation and accepts surrender terms.

Meanwhile, the CSPS realizes that the longer the war lasts, the worse the situation will become. Already having to use its oil reserves as the blockade has cut access to overseas markets, the CSPS nations have also lost access to their overseas trade, and the longer the war lasts, the more likely Germany is to intervene. They also have a narrow window of opportunity. Although Turkey has surrendered, it will take at least a month, maybe two, for the French, Italians and British to clear all of the mines in the Dardenelles and open it up so they can enter the Black Sea. As long as Rumania, Germany, Hungary and Czechslovakia remain neutral, their western border is secure, and strong defenses protect the Scandic heartland.

They have one chance to destroy the Russian army, occupy Moscow and the Russian heartland and force terms. If they don't win now, then by late summer the British, Italians and French will be in position to attack the Ukraine from the Black Sea and repeat the strategy the LTA carried out in the Third Great War (ooc crush the Ukraine, drive north into Poland).

The nuclear option, always risky, is now out of the question. The people of Poland, Ukraine and the Scandic Union are unwilling to risk nuclear anniliation after the destruction of Oslo, and are war weary in any case. Using nuclear weapons now would cause popular revolt. In any case, the British have their own weapons, sufficient to utterly destroy Poland, Ukraine and the Scandic Union even it is destroyed.

With no other options available, facing unacceptable peaceterms, the General Staffs scrape together every available ground and air unit for one last throw of the dice.


Meanwhile, FNS troops begin debarking at Russian Pacific ports for the long train ride to Kazakhstan to defend Russia and knock the Pakistanis and CAR out of the war even as Pakistani troops are transported by train to southern Central Asia to attempt to take back Russian occupied Kazakhstan and conquer Russian western Siberia.

The Battle for Moscow

On May 10, 1964, the CSPS launches its all out assault on the Russian Army aimed at nothing less then the capture of Moscow and destruction of the Russian Army.

In the north, the CSPS attacks the Valdai line with 4 Scandic and 8 Polish divisions (12 armored brigades and 12 infantry brigades) plus 2 air mobile brigades. Defending are 27 Russian brigades, but they are defending a long front, and at the crucial point of attack, 9 Scandic brigades hit 3 brigades of the 5th Infantry Corps at Borovitchi. In the air, the CSPS commits 4 Scandic Draken fighters, 4 Polish Draken fighters, 1 Scandic Draken Wild Weasel, 4 Scandic Mirage V, 4 Polish Mirage V, 2 Polish Tu22, and 1 Scandic Tu 16 against the Russians who commit the Flying Tigers (4 F4G, 1 WF105) and the Canadians (2 F4G fighter units) to stop them. The 3 Russian brigades are destroyed in place by overwhelming air support and ground forces, and a hole is punched through the Russian line with minimal Scandic ground losses. The whole front is forced to retreat, but desperate efforts by the North American pilots manage to prevent it from becoming a route as they manage to inflict heavy losses on the CSPS air forces while suffering heavy losses of their own. However, heavy bombing and heavy pressure from the Scandics destroys the remainder of the 5th Corps before it can get away, and a race is on for Tver and the gateway to Moscow from the north. The Russian 7th and 8th Mechanized divisions are hurriedly sent to delay the CSPS as the remainder of the army retreats hurriedly southeast. A desperate battle occurs at Vishni as the Russians and Scandics collide head on in the dark on May 15th, and both Russian divisions are destroyed but they also destroy 2 Scandic armored divisions, stopping the pursuit in its tracks and providing enough time for the Russians to establish a new defense line at the Tvertsa River. Down from 26 brigades to now only 20, the CSPS cancels a planned attack toward Archangel and hurries down another Polish mechanized division and makes a broad assault all along the front with 18 brigades versus 15 Russian brigades, pushing the Russians back in 5 places and destroying both the 5th and 8th Garrison corps. Losses are heavy however, and another Scandic armored brigade is destroyed. Meanwhile, desperate air battles continue as the Flying Tigers and Canadians continue to try and hold off the CSPS air forces, with the North Americans finally running out of aircraft and being pulled out of the battle on May 20. Heavy Russian anti aircraft fire exacts a heavy toll as well, in spite of Wild Weasel support that inflicts severe losses on Russian Flak units time and again.

Tver falls as the Russians are again forced to retreat, with the remaining 9 infantry brigades and 4 flak units falling back to Moscow to join with 4 infantry brigades and 4 flak units in the city. But the advance has effectively gutted the CSPS Air Force. The Scandics have lost 390 aircraft, the Poles 390 and pilot losses have been severe as well. The Scandic Army has lost over half its strength (65,000 Scandic casualties plus over 1400 tanks and even more infantry carriers and other armored vehicles) and , and now its up to the Poles to carry through the final attack, in spite of their losses of nearly 20,000 men. The Russians are in bad shape as well, having lost 150,000 men, and thousands of vehicles and guns, not to mention 360 fighters and pilot losses are high as well. The Russians have been forced back to the gates of Moscow but hang on.


Russian losses (includes North American and Canadian losses)
5 flak brigades, 6 infantry brigades (5th infantry corps), 6 mechanized brigades (7th and 8th mechanized divisions), 3 infantry brigades (8th Garrison), 3 infantry brigades (5th Garrison)
4 Flying Tiger F4G, 2 Canadian F4G, 1 Canadian pilot, 2 Flying Tiger pilots

Scandic Losses
4 Mirage V, 2 Draken, 1 Tu 16, 4 pilots, 7 armored brigades,

Polish losses
4 Mirage V, 2 Draken, 1 Tu 22, 5 pilots


Meanwhile, in the south, the Poles and Ukrainians launch their assault at the 5 Russian divisions defending the thin line between Saratov and Tula, and Tula itself, defended by a single infantry division.

The Ukrainians leave 4 mechanized divisions to hold the long line from Rostov to Volgograd, and then from Volgograd to Voronezh, and hurl everything else, 9 armored divisions (27 brigades) and 5 artillery groups at the Russians, while the Poles attack with 2 infantry corps (12 brigades) and 2 artillery groups at Tula itself and keep 4 armored divisions in reserve. In the air, the CSPS has nearly the entire Ukrainian Air Force, 4 Draken, 4 Mirage V, 5 MiG 25’s, 1 Tu 22, 1 Lansen, 2 ETU95, 6 gunships against the entire Russian Air Force, 4 F4E fighter units, 2 Yak 28 fighter bomber units, 3 Su 22 fighter bomber units, 4 F105 light bomber units, 2 Kfir fighter bomber units. Russian bombing inflicts serious losses on the Poles, destroying 2 armored brigades in reserve while Ukrainian bombing inflicts heavy casualties but isn’t as effective, and Russian SAMs claim a number of Ukrainian aircraft before they are suppressed. The Russians are pushed back, losing 3 brigades destroyed, but fall back in good order, preventing a breakthrough and destroying 4 Ukrainian brigades in the process. The Poles take Tula, destroying the Russian defenders in the process, but lose 2 brigades on their own in the fighting.

By May 20, the Russian government pulls out of Moscow, and orders all of its forces on the southern flank and those in reserve to pull back with it, except for the garrison of Moscow, which is ordered to fight to the last.

Russian losses
3 F4E, 1 Kfir, 3 pilots, 2 air defense units, 3 mechanized brigades, 3 infantry brigades,

Polish losses
2 infantry brigades

Ukrainian losses
3 Mirage V, 4 Mig 25, 1 Lansen, 1 Tu22, 4 pilots, 4 armored brigades

On June 1, after refueling, the battered CSPS armies reaches the gates of Moscow and prepare for the assault.

Even as Rumania enters the war on the side of the French, Yugoslavs, Italians and British, opening up an entirely new front.

Situation South Asia early April
South African forces deployed to Ceylon
1 HQ unit, 1 light infantry division, 1 Mirage III unit, 1 Vulcan unit (at Diego Garcia)

plus South African Navy of 2 missile cruisers, 2 destroyers,
British Pacific Fleet with 1 heavy cruiser, 1 AA cruiser, 1 light cruiser, 2 destroyers, 2 frigates

Indian forces and targets

7 Commerce(30 merchant marine, 1 national airline, 1 international airline, and an extra 2 points from satellites) + 89 from production centers (59 production centers: 18 Agra, 5 Hyderabad, 4 Mumbai, 4 Calcutta, 4 Madras, 5 Dhaka, 4 Delhi, 5 Karachi, 5 Lahore, 4 Peshawar, 4 Quetta [3 in Agra from growth]), + 5 from Tourism = 141 points

(tourism dries up immediately because India becomes a war zone except for 2 points for internal tourism (actually religious migrations by the Hindus that occur annually)

Satellites were targeted and destroyed by US spacecraft and nuclear missiles along with all other SCT satellites.

1 HQ, 4 Garrison, 1 Mechanized corps, 16 light infantry divisions, 10 armored divisions, 2 parachute divisions, 14 Pilots, 4 C47, 2 Hal Marut, 1 light ship (10 old frigates),
8 P2V Neptune units,

British and South African naval units immediately target Pakistani shipping, sinking 3 shipping units and driving the rest into port (thus cutting off its commercial income).

Meanwhile, the British shift their Vulcan bombers from Britian and Malta, along with 4 tanker units, to bases in Kenya, which along with the other British African nations declare war on the CSPS, including India.

only Ireland, Australasia, Malaysia, and Burma of the British Commonwealth nations stay out of the war. The British Commonwealth also expels Pakistan.

ooc
just the NPC nations under Nigerian leadership are enough for that.

In late April and May, Allied forces, includihng the Australians, South Africans, FNS, British and French shift forces to begin an offensive against Pakistan. Distances prevent much activity other then recon flights, which confirm that Pakistan is woefully underdefended from air and seaborne attack, but has a large army.

Pakistan shifts forces to the CAR, which has had to pull its headquarters unit out of China to provide logistical support for the growing Pakistani Army in the area.

As this is going on, FNS forces are arriving in Kazakhstan.

Situation South Asia June 1
South African forces deployed to Ceylon
1 HQ unit, 1 light infantry division, 1 Mirage III unit, 1 Vulcan unit (at Diego Garcia)

plus South African Navy of 2 missile cruisers, 2 destroyers,
British Pacific Fleet with 1 heavy cruiser, 1 AA cruiser, 1 light cruiser, 2 destroyers, 2 frigates
other British forces
4 Vulcan bombers, 4 tankers (out of Kenya)

French forces
1 Vulcan bomber (based in Kenya)

Australasian forces
2 F4G, 1 F111, 1 tanker unit, AEW detachment, 1 flak unit, (in Ceylon)
1 ASW carrier, 1 heavy cruiser, 2 light cruisers, 2 AA cruisers, 2 escort cruisers, 4 destroyers (operating in Bay of Bengal and near Ceylon)
5 frigates, 2 amphibious assault groups, 2 mechanized marine brigades, 2 mechanized infantry divisions

FNS forces
1 B70 unit (operating out of northern Russia)
1 heavy carrier, 1 heavy carrier air wing, 2 heavy cruisers, 2 light cruisers, 2 AA cruisers, 15 destroyers (operating with Australians)
20 frigates (escorting support and supply ships)
40 missile boats (operating out of Ceylon)

Indian forces and targets

27 merchant marine, 1 national airline, 1 international airline, production centersters Agra, 5 Hyderabad, 4 Mumbai, 4 Calcutta, 4 Madras, 5 Dhaka, 4 Delhi, 5 Karachi, 5 Lahore, 4 Peshawar, 4 Quetta [3 in Agra from growth]), + 5 from Tourism = 141 points

1 HQ, 4 Garrison, 1 Mechanized corps, 16 light infantry divisions, 10 armored divisions, 2 parachute divisions, 14 Pilots, 4 C47, 2 Hal Marut, 1 light ship (10 old frigates),
8 P2V Neptune units,

June 1964
South African and Australian fighters provide escorts while the British, French, Australians and FNS attack the Pakistani Air Force at all of its bases, including every major airport (civilian ones too) with conventional weapons. Both Pakistani fighter units are shot out of the sky, and by the end of the month all Pakistani air units have been destroyed on the ground, including the airlines. Pilot losses are light though, only 1 pilot unit, as the Pakistanis don’t attempt to take off in the face of overwhelming superiority. Meanwhile, carrier strikes eliminate the Pakistani Coast Guard and 10 more shipping units in harbor.

Without any significant flak defenses, Pakistan is now wide open to further air bombardment and amphibious assault.

The British demand the Pakistanis immediately withdraw from the war or face further military action. Meanwhile, the Hindu population is outraged by the folly of its government and becomes restive as commerce and tourism dry up to a trickle, and increasingly vocal demonstrations occur in predominately Hindu areas. In Bengal, the Moslems there are also outraged. The government statement that it is trying to keep the Russian Bear away from the border in increasingly discredited when it becomes clear through clever and truthful Allied propaganda that the Russians are too busy fighting for their lives against the CSPS to invade anyone, and realization that Kazakhstan is thousands of miles away from Hindu India and Moslem Bengal.

Concerns about Pakistan being hit by nuclear weapons by picking a side are also prime meat for demonstrators, who are now well aware of the Holocaust in Egypt and China. The fact that the Americans are not in the war removes one source of support for the government and more importantly, the fact that two Moslem countries blew each other to oblivion or near oblivion does help the government’s case either.

Burgundy, the Netherlands, Slovenia and Belgium honor the French request for EEC involvement in the war. Ireland refuses as it would compromise UN neutrality, the best hope for eventually bringing about peace.

All four nations promise a mechanized division and a fighter wing, but those troops and aircraft will not reach Rumania until July

Despite it's new allies all going together to go to war, the UIP declares neutrality based upon it's current involvement in helping it's SCT allies pick up the peices. (Not that anyone cares, but might as well do something.)

June 1964
Northwest Europe, Atlantic and Arctic
CSPS forces
Scandic Union
Nuclear forces
30 2nd generation IRBMs, 48 3rd generation ICBMs (all solid fuel, MIRVed1 Garrison unit at Kiel
4 flak (home defense Stockholm, Trondheim, Copenhagen, Kiel), 1 mech arty, 1 mech division (Oslo),
Available aircraft: 2 Mig 23, 1 Mig 25, 2 Tu22, 1 Tu95, 1 ETu95
Scandic Naval forces: 1 SSN7.5, 2 SSN7, 2 Ballistic missile subs, 6 DDG, 3 AA cruisers, 1 heavy cruiser, 10 SSKs,
Polish forces in Scandic Union: 2 airborne brigades, 2 transport helicopters (in Karellia), 1 infantry corps in Denmark, 1 mechanized division in Trondheim
Polish naval forces:
1 CVAN, 1 heavy air wing, 1 heavy cruiser, 5 DDG, 1 SSN, 5 SSK7,

British Forces
G-I-UK Gap and North Atlantic
Canadian forces
1 P3 Orion maritime patrol wing (operating out of Iceland)
(US still has 1 infantry division and a fighter wing guarding Iceland)
6 Canadian Frigates (escorting convoys)
20 FNS frigates (escorting convoys)
2 escort carriers, 2 RN destroyrs, 4 RN frigates (escorting convoys)
(US has 10 SSNs covering the G-I-UK gap looking for Scandic SSNs that try to penetrate… none are, but they don’t know that. Also 1 US P3 Orion wing out of Iceland and Greenland)
2 RN fleet carrier battlegroups each with 1 fleet carrier, 1 light air wing, 1 escort cruiser, 4 destroyers, 2 frigates
2 RN hunter killer ASW groups each with 1 light carrier, 1 ASW air wing, 1 escort cruiser, 2 destroyers, 2 frigates,
10 nuclear powered ballistic missile submarines (operating in the Arctic)
1 FNS CVAN battlegroup with 1 CVAN, 2 heavy cruisers, 2 light cruisers, 2 AA cruisers, 10 destroyers

North Sea
RN 6 heavy cruisers, 9 light cruisers, 20 destroyers (operating out of Yarmouth)
9 SSNs
FNSN 5 destroyers, 40 missiles boats, 2 SSNs

Home Defenses and forces available for deployment
RAF
1 Tornado Air defense version interceptor wings, 2 F4G fighter wings, 1 RAAF F4G fighter wing, 1 Harrier fighter bomber wing, 1 AEW wing, 2 Tanker wings, 2 Transport wings, 3 Buccaneer bomber units
British Army
4 mechanized divisions, 4 flak groups, 1 artillery group, Royal Marine mechanized marine brigade, 2nd Parachute brigade, Ghurka Brigade (light infantry), SAS brigade (special operations), 3 gunship units, 3 cargo helicopter units, 3 transport helicopter units
plus 4 brigades German paratroopers, 4 German transport aircraft wings
plus en route 1 Canadian mechanized division
British nuclear forces
in addition to Submarines (5 with 18 missiles, 5 with 12 missiles)

150 2nd generation solid fueled ICBMs (Minuteman III type)
100 3rd generation liquid fueled ICBMs (Titan III type)
240 3rd generation solid fueled IRBMs (Polaris III type)
plus FNS nuclear forces

March – June 1964
A stalemate has developed in this area. The CSPS is keeping its fleet in the Baltic, out of strike range of the RAF and behind dense minefields to keep the Allies out. Occasional hit and run raids are launched at the British, but nothing important. The Scandics are well aware that there are German troops in Britain and do not want to provide an excuse to bring Germany into the war. Meanwhile, the Allies are unwilling to push to hard either. Although they have the capability to make an amphibious assault on Norway, they are worried that if the Scandics get desperate, they will launch a nuclear strike that will result in the destruction of the UK and the Scandic Union. But the CSPS knows the Allies have that capability, and are forced to keep some troops and aircraft at home to defend Norway and Denmark. Just in case.

In early June the British, supported by the FNS fleet, launch an airmobile and amphibious assault on the Faeroes Islands, taking them after a brief but fierce battle with a Scandic mountain brigade June 2 -4. They then take Jan Moyern and Svarlbad Islands on June 10, which threatens the Scandic holdings in Lapland and Karellia.

Fire in the East June 1964
CSPS Current deployments
Northern Front
Scandic: 1 HQ, 3 armored brigades, 6 mechanized brigades, 3 mechanized artillery groups, 2 gunship units, 2 pilots organized as 1st Army (Moscow front)
4 armored brigades, 1 gunship unit guarding flanks leading back to Petrograd
1 Scandic garrison unit, 1 gunship unit at Petrograd
Polish: 1 HQ, 12 armored brigades, 12 infantry brigades, 2 airborne brigades, 3 helicopter gunship units, 2 transport helicopter units 2nd Army (Moscow front)

Central
Polish: 1 HQ, 12 armored brigades, 10 infantry brigades, 2 artillery groups, 3 helicopter gunship units, (Moscow front) plus 3 Ukrainian artillery groups, 1 Ukrainian Special forces brigade, 3 Ukrainian attack helicopter units (7th and 3rd armies)

Southern
Ukrainian: (guarding line from Tula to Voronezh and then to Volgograd to Rostov)
9 armored brigades, 3 attack helicopter units, 1 HQ

Emergency Reserve
Ukrainian (hurriedly rushed from the east) 9 mechanized brigades, 14 armored brigades, 2 HQs, 3 flak groups (4th and 5th Armies)

Bug River Front (Rumanian / Ukrainian Border)
Ukraine: 6 armored brigades, 3 mechanized brigades, 2 flak brigades (6th Army)
Garrisons: 1 garrison unit (3 infantry brigades, 3 flak brigades each) at Kiev, Odessa, Sevestapol, Dneiperpetrovsk
Ukrainian Navy: 3 SSN7

Air units available for Moscow front and to defend north
Scandic: 4 Draken,1 Draken Wild Weasel,1 Tu95,1 KC97 Tanker,
Polish: 5 Draken, 2 Tu16, 1 KC97,

Polish Home Defenses (keeping an eye on the Germans and Czechs)
2 Mig 23, 2 MIG 25, 1 Tu22, 1Tu107, 1 ETU95
1 HQ, 5 armored divisions, 5 mech divisions, 8 flak (guarding cities)

Air units available for Ukraine
1 Draken, 2 Mig23s, 3 MiG 25’s, 2 Tu 22, 1 Lansen, 1 Tu 107, 2 ETU95,

Allied Deployments
Russian forces
Arctic Front
5th mountain brigade (guarding Archangel)
1st Parachute brigade, 2nd Parachute brigade plus 2 transport helicopter units, 1 attack helicopter unit

Fortress Moscow
8 flak units, 3rd parachute brigade, 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 4th mountain brigades, 9 infantry brigades (survivors of 5th infantry corps, 6th garrison corps and various other units)

1st Shock Army (Saratov)
1st Armored Corps (consists of 6 armored brigades, 1 flak unit)
2nd Infantry corps (consists of 6 infantry brigades, 1 flak unit )
2nd Mechanized Infantry division (3 mechanized brigades)
1st Mechanized Infantry division (3 mechanized brigades)
1 HQ unit
Combined Air Force
Russian: 2 F4E fighter units, 2 Yak 28 fighter bomber units, 3 Su 22 fighter bomber units, 4 F105 light bomber units, 1 Kfir fighter bomber units, 1 RA22 recon unit, 1 EA22 AEW unit, 14 pilots
Flying Tigers: 3 F4E, 1 WF105, 1 KC135, 2 attack helicopter unit, 2 cargo helicopter unit, 1 transport helicopter unit, 10 pilots
Canadian Air Force: 1 F4E, 1 C130 transport unit, 2 airborne brigades, 2 pilots

Southern line (Volga River from Nizny Novgorod to opposite shore from Volgograd to Astrakhan)
18 mechanized brigades (newly formed 10th – 16th mechanized divisions)

Fortress Astrakhan
14th light infantry division, 33rd infantry division, 2 flak groups

Kazakhstan
4 militia units

Siberia
5 flak units (guarding cities and ports)

10 1st generation SSNs at Petropovlavsk (operating in the North Pacific)

Bug River Front
French forces
1 HQ, 1 airborne brigade, 1 armored division, 2 infantry corps, (3 armored brigades, 12 infantry brigades, 1 airborne brigade)
2 Mirage F1, 4 Mirage V, 1 Vulcan

Yugoslav forces
1 infantry corps (occupation duty, Turkey)
2 infantry corps, 2 armored divisions, 1 HQ (invasion force Ukraine, Yugoslav 1st Army)(12 infantry brigades, 6 armored brigades)
2 Mirage F1

Albanian forces
3 light infantry brigades (occupation duty, Turkey)

Greek forces
6 infantry brigades (raised from militia units)

British forces
4 armored divisions, 2 mechanized divisions, 1 HQ (10 armored brigades, 12 mechanized brigades)

Burgundian forces
1 mechanized division (3 mechanized brigades), 1 F4G unit

Belgian forces
1 mechanized division (3 mechanized brigades), 1 F4G unit

Dutch forces
1 armored brigade, 1 F4G unit

The Philippines calls back it's two Marine units from the USEA, deciding to replace them with the equipment from the US bases that were closed recently. That way the Indochinese can arm their police.

Fire in the East Part Two – The Decisive battle June 1964

The CSPS Command realizes that this is their last hope of winning the war. Take Moscow, hold off the Allies, and push for a cease fire. It’s a desperate hope as so far the Russians have shown no sign of having a willingness to concede in spite of taking severe military losses and serious economic losses. A few officers, well versed on Napoleon and remembering the history of the Third Great War point out that the Russians didn’t surrender either of the last two times Moscow fell, but at this point there is no choice. A victory a Moscow is the only chance for victory in the war. Otherwise, it will be a slow war of attrition and the Allies have bigger economies and more manpower to draw from. Failure will mean ultimate defeat or at best case, a draw from mutual exhaustion.

Or worst of all, a continued war could bring about nuclear extinction.

Meanwhile, the Russians evacuate the 3 million civilians from Moscow by train and by bus and on foot. They head east towards the distant Volga and Saratov, where refugee camps have been prepared for them. Moscow is to be defended street by street, house by house and yard by yard. It will not be burned to deny it to enemy like it was for Napoleon, or abandoned after biological weapons contaminated it. This time it was to be defended as a fortress city for Mother Russia.

The Battle of Moscow
The CSPS attacks on June 10 with infantry, mechanized infantry, artillery and attack helicopters from the east, south and north, while leaving the Scandic armor to guard the flanks and sending the Ukrainian and Polish Army around the city to cut it off from resupply. The Scandics attack from the north with 6 mechanized brigades, 2 artillery brigades and 2 attack helicopter units. The Poles attack from the northwest, west, southwest and south with 24 infantry brigades, 2 artillery brigades and 2 attack helicopter wings, plus additional help from a Ukrainian commando brigade, 3 attack helicopter wings and 3 artillery wings.

Overhead, CSPS and Allied aircraft fight it out, the Allies attempting to disrupt the air bombardment of the city. Heavy fighting over the city finally results in a Russian victory though, as at great cost they keep the Scandic and Polish bombers away. But too few Allied fighters are available to deal with the horde of helicopters attacking the city.

In 2 weeks of fighting the CSPS manages to take all but the center of the city, but casualties are severe. Missiles and gunfire down dozens of helicopters, anti tank rockets and mines destroy armored personnel carriers by the hundreds, and desperate room to room fighting proves to be a costly as it always is. Most of the city is razed under an avalanche of shells, rockets, and demolition charges. The last 4 Russian brigades, along with the last 2 flak brigades make a final stand at the Kremlin itself, determined to hold out.

Losses June 10 – 24
Russian Air Force: 1 F4E, 1 Yak 28, 1 pilot
Russian Army: 1 parachute brigade, 2 mountain brigades, 6 infantry brigades, 6 flak brigades
Canadians 1 F4E
Flying Tigers 1 F4E,
Scandic Air Force 3 Draken, 1 Draken Wild Weasel unit, 1 attack helicopter unit, 3 pilots
Scandic Army: 2 mechanized brigades
Polish Air Force 3 Draken, 1 attack helicopter unit, 2 pilots
Polish Army 5 infantry brigades
Ukrainian Air Force: 1 attack helicopter unit

The Ukraine
Meanwhile, the Allies launch their attack on June 12 after spending over a week moving their troops into Rumania. The air battle however starts almost immediately, and by June 3, Allied aircraft are attacking Ukrainian transportation targets in an effort to prevent reinforcements from reaching the front while the Ukrainian Air Force fights a desperate battle to prevent that interference and get their bombers through to disrupt the Allied build up. Several raids on the Rumanian Army destroy an armored division (3 brigades), but overall the Allies gradually gain air superiority and French Vulcan bombers destroy 2 armored and 1 mechanized brigade that are hurrying west to reinforce the border. By the time the Allies launch their ground attack, they have gained control of the air and are able to attack all along the Bug River with 60 brigades against the mere 9 guarding the border. The Allied bombing effort has paid off, stalling the Ukrainian reserve long enough for the Allied ground forces to have to fight the Ukrainian Army in succession, instead of it being massed effectively.

The Allied forces are an avalanche, destroying the entire Ukrainian 6th Army in days, and driving deep into the country. The French charge north and threaten to cross the Polish border, forcing the Poles to hurry forces off the German border south to face them. The Yugoslavs drive northeast, reaching Zhitomer and meet the Ukrainian 4th Army hurrying to the west in a huge meeting engagement. Here a confusing and costly encounter battle occurs, and the Yugoslavs are stopped and a line is reestablished. The British, driving due east for Uman and then Cherkassy, meet the Ukrainian 5th Army, and another encounter battle erupts. The British smash the 5th Army, and drive its remnants into full retreat at Uman but are forced to halt to regroup.

Further south, the Rumanians attack Odessa, and the Ukrainians fight hard to save their most important port city, and hold out as both sides suffer heavy losses in desperate urban fighting. The Greeks, north of the Rumanians, move east, and take Perm.

losses
French 1 Mirage F1, 1 pilot
RAF 1 Harrier, 1 pilot
Ukrainian 1 Draken, 1 Mig 23, 1 Mig 25, 1 Tu22, 2 pilots
Ukrainian Army: 12 armored brigades, 9 mechanized brigades, 1 infantry brigade, 2 flak units
Yugoslav Army: 2 armored brigades, 1 infantry brigade,
French Army: 1 armored brigade
Greek Army 1 infantry brigade
British Army 3 armored brigades, 1 mechanized brigade
Rumanian Army 1 mechanized brigade

Japan re-iterates its call for a peace conference to be held.

Militia units in Hong Kong and Macao are being raised to help police the cities. Japanese military units are sweeping the countryside clean of bandits and warlords.

(Ahem, question. THose of us allowing detainees or immigrants. How does that work actually? I mean do we need China to respond or do the countries people respond with their feet?)

(Ahem, question. THose of us allowing detainees or immigrants. How does that work actually? I mean do we need China to respond or do the countries people respond with their feet?)

ooc
they will respond with their feet, or in the case of getting to the Philippines, frequently by boat. I will post information on that as soon as I finish gaming out the war for this year, which is getting to the decisive point.

(Ok, but they'd be met by the Marine Units to sift them to refugee camps to be capable of being instated and recorded. Big job to do yes. Police probably have to get involved to. But hey, even more government jobs.)

Central Asia June 1964
The FNS Army and Air Force arrive in Kazakhstan in overwhelming strength and by June 10 are ready to launch offensive operations to clear Pakistani forces out of Central Asia.

Pakistan has 1 HQ, 6 armored divisions, and 6 light infantry divisions, while the CAR has 1 HQ, 1 armored division and 1 infantry corps.

The FNS has brought in 3 HQ units, 4 armored divisions, 3 mechanized divisions, 2 light infantry divisions, 3 airborne divisions, 2 artillery groups, 2 air defense groups. In addition, facing the CAR which has 3 F101B interceptor units available, the FNS has 4 F4G, 5 Kfir, 5 Kfir wild weasel, 1 Tu95 heavy bomber, 1 B70 heavy bomber, 1 AEW unit, 4 transport helicopter units, 3 attack helicopter units, 2 heavy transport aircraft units (being used for air bridge purposes to FNS territory), and 4 C130 units.

The mud from the spring thaw has dried by early June, and satisfied that all of the Pakistani troops that are likely to arrive have done so, the FNS commander, Leopoldo Suarez, orders that attack to begin.

Useful maps
http://www.geocities.com/ethnics_of_central_asia/casia_ethnic_93.jpg
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The Latin Americans cross the Irktysh River from the northeast and Karaganda from the north and drive hard on Balkhesh and Aktogal. Meanwhile, the CAR and Pakistani forces are still organizing, and by the they are ready to move, the Latin Americans have taken Balkhesh and are past Arktogal and heading straight for Almaty.

The CAR and Pakistanis decide to concentrate on the FNS 2nd Army approaching from the northeast, confident that if they defeat that thrust, the thrust from the north will be unable to proceed on its own. This turns out to be a grave error, as at that point, the Latin American aircraft begin pounding first the CAR air force and then hitting logistics and command targets in the rear. Both the Pakistanis and the Central Asians suffer severe damage to command and logistics forces that effectively destroy both of their headquarters units even as the CAR Air Force is destroyed Then Latin American bombers begin hitting the predominantly Moslem Pakistani armored divisions, destroying 6 of 18 brigades even as the heavy armor of the FNS 2nd Army (12 armored brigades, 9 mechanized brigades, 2 artillery units) hits them. In huge tanks battles on the Central Asian (June 15 – 17) steppe near Korgan, the armored might of the Pakistani army is gutted at the cost of only 3 brigades worth of FNS troops.

The Pakistanis are thrown into full retreat, and the lone remaining CAR armored division hurries up to try to assist the Pakistanis in restoring a semblance of a line. At that moment (June 18) the FNS releases its 3 airborne divisions (FNS 3rd Army), heavily supported by helicopter gunships, and other aircraft. The CAR and Pakistani armor is cut off, and tries to fight its way out, and inflicts some serious casualties on the Latin American paratroopers before being overwhelmed from the air and on the ground. By June 30, the FNS 1st has secured Bakhanor as well as Balkhesh, and the 2nd and 3rd Armies are at Talmgaty and Almaty. At this point, the Central Asian Republic begins to break apart while Hindu units of the Pakistani Army (principally light infantry) begin to mutiny and when successful, ask for terms from the Latin Americans.

CAR Losses
3 F101B, 1 pilot, 1 HQ unit, 3 armored brigades,
Pakistani losses
1 HQ unit, 18 armored brigades,
FNS losses
1 F4G, 2 armored brigades, 1 mechanized brigade, 2 airborne brigades

July 1964
The Breakup of Pakistan and the Central Asian Republic surrenders
Useful maps
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Indira Ghandi, daughter of the famous Nehru, who has long ago decided that the future of the Hindu peoples of India (she refuses to accept it as Pakistan) lay on a different path from Moslem rule. She has kept a low profile since independence, rightly fearing that open hostility would merely get her shot in spite of who her father is. But she hasn’t been idle. A secret movement derived from the Vanara Sena movement that she helped organize prior to independence has gradually evolved into a Hindu nationalist movement. Organized into a cell structure, it has kept quiet for many years, gradually building its numbers.

The main enemy is identified as Ayub Khan and his cronies who have continued to keep India an authoritarian state for nearly a generation, subverted the political parties and denied majority rule (the Hindu majority). Since independence governments have waged an ill advised war, attempted to maintain an empire that it lost, and once again is fighting an ill advised and foolish war that is wrecking the Indian economy and placing it in danger of getting into a nuclear confrontation.

By June, with allied bombers roaming the skies at will, Allied fleets blockading the coasts and cutting off the Indian subcontinent from overseas markets and oil supplies, and with the bulk of the Moslem dominated army in Central Asia, Ms. Ghandi sees that the time has come to act.

The spark is the destruction of the Pakistani armored army in Central Asia in June and then the mutiny of Hindu dominated infantry divisions in Central Asia. Government demands to go to a Total War economy show that the foolish leaders just don’t understand that the Hindu people are not behind this war.

By July, massive demonstrations are occurring throughout Hindu dominated India as the Vanara Sena movement comes out in the open. Hindu troops desert or refuse orders to suppress the demonstrations, and Moslem troops from Bengal, or which consist mainly of Moslems outside of the Northwest of Pakistan (RL Pakistan) join in.

The final blow is when Khan orders armored units loyal to him to defend the capitals of Agra and New Dehli and put down demonstrations with gunfire. Tens of thousands of demonstrators are killed before sheer numbers over whelm the government troops and slaughter them. Mobs, now intensely angry, storm government buildings, slaughtering everyone they can find, especially politicians identified as corrupt or evil (ooc in the sense of being for oppression), and Nehru is rescued and appoints his daughter Prime Minister.

An immediate order is given for troops to surrender immediately to either Vanara Sena representatives (if in RL India), local authorities (if in RL Bangladesh) or Allied forces (if in Central Asia).

Representatives from Gujarat, Rajasthan, Uttar Pradesh, Bihar, Madhya Pradesh, Jharkhand, Bengal, Assam, Sikkim, Nagaland, Chattisgarh Orissa, Maharashta, Andhra Pradesh, Karnataka, and everything south of those areas meet in Calcutta and proclaim the birth of the Republic of India (consisting of the areas named) on July 31.

Meanwhile, in the west, the Moslems in what is left of Pakistan ask for peace terms from the Allies and order all troops to return home. On July 31, with little other choice, they formerly accept the partition of Pakistan into Pakistan and India. Ghandi asks that Allied troops, specifically Commonwealth troops, land in India to provide assistance in restoring order and to protect it.

Meanwhile, the Latin Americans have overrun all of Kazakhstan and the CAR government surrenders.

SIC: Seeing as how Korea is busied by cleanup, and has neither the resources nor the inclination to anger the new Indian state by trying to put Ayub Khan back in power, though some in Kim's Government wish it to be (the Indian War/FAS Civil War is still fresh in Korean minds), the Emperor authorizes an imperial decree...

Open IC;

....named Imperial Decree Number 4, which officially recognizes the Republic of India, with Indira Gandhi as PM.

Television reports come out of India showing the badly beaten but recognizable body of Khan and several of his leading advisors. The film shows them hanging upside down, and then their corpses are displayed for the world to see.

ooc
these kind of things happen quick, look what happened in Rumania in real life when that revolution occured.

The Philippines holds its recognition of the new Indian country until it sees something beyond hanging bodies. Disorder will not be recognized. Indian proof that it is a legal nation of laws will have an instant recognition.

The Philippines creates way points and doctors to see to any influx of CHinese Civilians.

The Philippines holds its recognition of the new Indian country until it sees something beyond hanging bodies. Disorder will not be recognized. Indian proof that it is a legal nation of laws will have an instant recognition.

The Philippines creates way points and doctors to see to any influx of CHinese Civilians.

Korea does second this, not withholding recognition but urging an end to violence.

The Philippines holds its recognition of the new Indian country until it sees something beyond hanging bodies. Disorder will not be recognized. Indian proof that it is a legal nation of laws will have an instant recognition.

The Philippines creates way points and doctors to see to any influx of CHinese Civilians.

The Indian government indicates to Korea that the anger of the mob couldn't be contained, but the violence has ended. After those responsible were brought to justice for ordering the massacre of unarmed protesters.

Filipino consulates and embassy staff are expelled from India. Meanwhile, the Pakistani government is forced to reorganize its diplomatic corps and indicates that new embassies will be welcome in Karachi eventually. Pakistan also asks for a cease fire and UN intervention to end the war.

ooc
Filipino advisors in the government ask senior government officials in the Filipino government whether offending the most populated (as of now anyway) country in Asia is a good idea in the long run.

The FIlipino government looks at the embassy that was expelled. Being one of the smaller ones, it had gone unnoticed in the whole outcry of 1964. The government tell it's worried advisors that India at this moment is new, and that by acting in such a hasty action they have shown guilt.

A broadcast. "It is rather odd that India has kicked our embassy out. In truth we simply did not wish to jump the gun and recognize a country that jumped the gun and executed it's former leader rather than try him by a court of law. The SCT and the New Southern Hemisphere Alliance are countries of laws. The UIP simply requested a showing of that law. And it was kicked out. Now that India has shown itself to be of law and punishing those who wish mob rule, the UIP has no problem with recognizing the Indian government."

OOC: Seriously the Indians suddenly jumping the gun and kicking the Philippines embassy out would look HIGHLY suspicious to the world as I simply asked them to show they were a nation of laws and not chaos. Most countries and populations would see that as a rational argument, especcially for a country that JUST!!! JUST!!!! LIke I mean what a few days, came into existance. So in truth here, sorry, I am not the one with the political mistake. And also it's not as dangerous as it seems. The UIP is a recognized country. Except for Korea and the UIP, no one else has recognized India. Seriously a new nation treads much more carefully than that.

A unrecognized country having such a simple request would have jumped on it. SOrry but I really think you should restate that. Cause Indians are not retarded. And they would know you don't alienate a country right off the bat. Especcially with a country to your west that's just waiting for an excuse to one day return and crush you. Alienate those who could be your allies will alienate others.

ooc
Countries in the midst of a revolution are seldom rational, and as far as the Indians are concerned, the Philippines insulted it after they killed the man who ordered troops to open fire on unarmed demonstrators.

Eventually ties will be repaired

OOC: HMMM alright. But how can a country in revolution be recognized? And even countries in revolution commonly have more sense. I mean the haughtiest people in the history of mankind can be the Confederates during the US Civil War. ANd even they tread lightly when it came to diplomacy with being recognized. They pleaded, they argued, but they never went beyond light argument to be recognized. And these are some of the most arrogant people in history. Indians are not known for arrogance or stupidity. I can say it happens, but rarely. And yes the confederates lost in the end, but for the fact that the US had spies in France and Great Britain who had the government's ears. (Like Napoleon the III's barber was a self proclaimed Union diplomat. And who else do you listen to other than your barber?) SO that's a seperated issue.

OOC: HMMM alright. But how can a country in revolution be recognized?

ooc
an easy example:
France recognized the American government in 1778, during the American Revolution

OOC: Good example. Of course it got France into a destructive war that ultimatly had chaos and rampant mob rule that caused the death of it's ruler by beheadering and another 20 years of horrible war. Course alot of these are unique examples. Most revolutionary countries are not recognized and eventually fail. (The few examples are because of a larger nation wanted an ally in a specific area. Isreal, US, and others I can't think of at the top of my head.) BUTT we really should let others do IC stuff. Or let you do IC stuff, whichever.

Fire in the East Late June – July 1964
The Battle of Moscow
The garrison continues to hold out in the old Kremlin, waiting for the final assault. Meanwhile, the disastrous turn of events in the Ukraine forces the CSPS to send every available Ukrainian unit to help restore a line, forcing the Poles to strip their armor from this front and extend it south to maintain a screen against Russian counterattack or possible FNS reaction.

This reduces the assault force to 7 Polish infantry brigades and 2 airborne brigades, backed by 3 Scandic artillery groups, 2 Scandic attack helicopter wings, and 3 Polish attack helicopter wings against 1 Russian mountain brigade, 3 infantry brigades and 2 flak brigades. The fighting is bitter, and the Russian position is strong, and at the end of two weeks the Russians are still holding out, although severely reduced in numbers.

Meanwhile, Allied and CSPS aircraft continue to duel, and the Russians launch a full scale counterattack with their reserve army hoping to break the CSPS army and drive it back. The Russians attack with 14 armored brigades against the Scandic cordon isolating the city, while keeping 6 mechanized brigades in reserve. The Scandics have 3 armored and 4 mechanized brigades on hand. However, the Russians have manage to gain air superiority, and have powerful air support. The Russians inflict severe losses on the Scandics although suffering heavy losses of their own, and break the cordon.

By July 1, the CSPS realizes that the attempt to take Moscow has failed, and orders a full scale retreat. Badly mauled themselves, the Russians follow behind cautiously. By the end of July the Polish and Scandic armies have retreated back to the Novogorod / Pskov line and the battle is over.

Losses
Polish 1 Draken unit, 1 attack helicopter unit, 1 pilot, 3 infantry brigades,
Russian 1 F4E unit, 1 Kfir unit, 1 Su 22 unit, 2 pilots, 2 armored brigades, 2 infantry brigades, 2 flak brigades,
Scandic 2 armored brigades, 3 mechanized brigades,

Poland
Meanwhile, in Poland, the Polish High Command decides that if the Germans enter the war they have lost anyway, and strip all 5 armored divisions and 2 mechanized divisions off the German border and hurl them at the French. A massive mechanized battle occurs near Lvov as the Poles attack with 15 armored brigades and 6 mechanized brigades, supported by the remainder of their air force. The French have been joined by the Burgundians, Belgians and Dutch, giving the Allies 3 French armored brigades, 3 Belgian mechanized brigades, 3 Burgundian mechanized brigade, 1 Dutch mechanized brigade and 6 French infantry brigades. French aircraft pound Polish airfields, inflicting crippling losses on the Poles, but suffering severely as well. However, on the ground, the Poles throw the Allies all the way back into Rumania and stabilize a line along the border of the Ukraine and Rumania.

Losses
Poles 2 Mig 25, 1 Mig 23, 1 Tu22, 1Tu107, 1 ETU95, 2 pilots, 4 armored brigades, 1 mechanized brigade
French 1 Mirage F1, 2 Mirage V, 1 Vulcan, 2 pilots, 4 infantry brigades,
Burgundy: 1 mechanized brigade
Belgium 2 mechanized brigades,

Ukraine
In the south, the Rumanians blockade Odessa by sea and besiege it by land, waiting for a surrender. The British, Yugoslavs and Greeks halt, as they have an immensely long line to defend and heavy losses mean that there are no significant reserves to use if a breakthrough occurs. The Italians arrive with 2 armored divisions, 2 mechanized divisions and 2 F4G units plus 1 HQ, but that is matched by Ukrainian forces that have been stripped from the eastern side of the front to replace losses suffered. Both sides have also exhausted their stocks of ammunition and wartime production has not yet begun to replace what has been used up (ooc: remember, military units that fight or are deployed for more then 3 months cost TWICE as much maintenance then if they just sit around in peacetime, and no one has paid the maintenance for extended combat. Which makes sense, as this wasn’t exactly a planned war).

In short, a stalemate has developed.

But the war continues.

August - December 1964
The War continues as a stalemate in Europe as neither side is willing to negoitiate and neither side has the strength, reserves or ammunition to attack beyond pinprick raids at this point either.

OOC
and several key players are missing to handle IC diplomacy required to end this

(Aren't they gone for like 2 Weeks though? WHat do we do til then?)

The deadlock in the Italian parliament finally ends. Italy declares war on the Scandic Union, Turkey, Ukraine, and all other belligerents. Also, full Italian support is promised to the British for the Yemen affair.

OOC: I'm traveling at the moment and have only sporadic internet access. Italy is, for the moment, handed over to Lesser Ribena. Italian military is as follows: 8 Average Garrisons, 8 flak groups, 2 infantry corps, 1 armored corps, 3 mechanized corps, 2 marine brigades, 4 mountain brigades, 3 c141 starlifters, 3 parachute brigades, 3 HQ, 11 average pilots, 8 tornado 1's, 4 destroyer units, 2 coastal patrol groups, 8 ASW frigates, 2 heavy missile cruisers,1 CVAN, 2 transport groups.

OOC: Just starting skimming through, but I have a problem with this.
The old Italy and the SU signed multiple agreemetns, including a NAP and a mutual defensive pact amongst other things. I don't think Italy would realistically in this timeline go to war with the SU, especially over issues that do not directly effet Italy.

OOC: since Warta isn't here, I'll play as him

The UIR offers to held the new Indian states in rebuilding and government control

Japan witholds recognition but offers to help with the governments of the new states

OOC: any chance the UIR would get some lands, like Pakistan?

OOC: Just starting skimming through, but I have a problem with this.
The old Italy and the SU signed multiple agreemetns, including a NAP and a mutual defensive pact amongst other things. I don't think Italy would realistically in this timeline go to war with the SU, especially over issues that do not directly effet Italy.

Italy has a history of backing the Greeks in this timeline. Its possible that they joined the war for that reason...

OOC: Just starting skimming through, but I have a problem with this.
The old Italy and the SU signed multiple agreemetns, including a NAP and a mutual defensive pact amongst other things. I don't think Italy would realistically in this timeline go to war with the SU, especially over issues that do not directly effet Italy.

ooc
player decision by Middle Snu, and Italy did have a history backing the Greeks so it seemed reasonable enough. Italy was helpful, but its help hasn't been decisive by itself.

July 1964
The Breakup of Pakistan and the Central Asian Republic surrenders
Useful maps
http://www.mapsofindia.com/maps/india/india-map-prepartition.jpg
http://www.geocities.com/ethnics_of_central_asia/casia_ethnic_93.jpg
http://stantours.s5.com/pics/ca_mn_map_pol_xl.gif
http://www.ak-sai.com/map/map.gif
http://www.mapsofindia.com/maps/india/population.htm
http://www.bordikar.com/images/mapOfIndia.gif
http://www.mapsofindia.com/maps/india/india-map-languages.jpg
http://mission-online.net/roger/images/map-religion2.jpg

Indira Ghandi, daughter of the famous Nehru, who has long ago decided that the future of the Hindu peoples of India (she refuses to accept it as Pakistan) lay on a different path from Moslem rule. She has kept a low profile since independence, rightly fearing that open hostility would merely get her shot in spite of who her father is. But she hasn’t been idle. A secret movement derived from the Vanara Sena movement that she helped organize prior to independence has gradually evolved into a Hindu nationalist movement. Organized into a cell structure, it has kept quiet for many years, gradually building its numbers.

The main enemy is identified as Ayub Khan and his cronies who have continued to keep India an authoritarian state for nearly a generation, subverted the political parties and denied majority rule (the Hindu majority). Since independence governments have waged an ill advised war, attempted to maintain an empire that it lost, and once again is fighting an ill advised and foolish war that is wrecking the Indian economy and placing it in danger of getting into a nuclear confrontation.

By June, with allied bombers roaming the skies at will, Allied fleets blockading the coasts and cutting off the Indian subcontinent from overseas markets and oil supplies, and with the bulk of the Moslem dominated army in Central Asia, Ms. Ghandi sees that the time has come to act.

The spark is the destruction of the Pakistani armored army in Central Asia in June and then the mutiny of Hindu dominated infantry divisions in Central Asia. Government demands to go to a Total War economy show that the foolish leaders just don’t understand that the Hindu people are not behind this war.

By July, massive demonstrations are occurring throughout Hindu dominated India as the Vanara Sena movement comes out in the open. Hindu troops desert or refuse orders to suppress the demonstrations, and Moslem troops from Bengal, or which consist mainly of Moslems outside of the Northwest of Pakistan (RL Pakistan) join in.

The final blow is when Khan orders armored units loyal to him to defend the capitals of Agra and New Dehli and put down demonstrations with gunfire. Tens of thousands of demonstrators are killed before sheer numbers over whelm the government troops and slaughter them. Mobs, now intensely angry, storm government buildings, slaughtering everyone they can find, especially politicians identified as corrupt or evil (ooc in the sense of being for oppression), and Nehru is rescued and appoints his daughter Prime Minister.

An immediate order is given for troops to surrender immediately to either Vanara Sena representatives (if in RL India), local authorities (if in RL Bangladesh) or Allied forces (if in Central Asia).

Representatives from Gujarat, Rajasthan, Uttar Pradesh, Bihar, Madhya Pradesh, Jharkhand, Bengal, Assam, Sikkim, Nagaland, Chattisgarh Orissa, Maharashta, Andhra Pradesh, Karnataka, and everything south of those areas meet in Calcutta and proclaim the birth of the Republic of India (consisting of the areas named) on July 31.

Meanwhile, in the west, the Moslems in what is left of Pakistan ask for peace terms from the Allies and order all troops to return home. On July 31, with little other choice, they formerly accept the partition of Pakistan into Pakistan and India. Ghandi asks that Allied troops, specifically Commonwealth troops, land in India to provide assistance in restoring order and to protect it.

Meanwhile, the Latin Americans have overrun all of Kazakhstan and the CAR government surrenders.

Australasian Troops (2 mechanized marine brigades, 2 mechanized infantry divisions) are ordered to go ashore at Madras and secure the surrounding area for the new Indian government. Allies are most encouraged to join in. Air-cover from F4G's is focused on the immediate region as well.

OOC: since Warta isn't here, I'll play as him

The UIR offers to held the new Indian states in rebuilding and government control

Japan witholds recognition but offers to help with the governments of the new states

OOC: any chance the UIR would get some lands, like Pakistan?

ooc
if he were around, I would expect him to be eyeing whats left of Central Asia and at least Baluchistan with interest

IC
Ireland, Canada and Malaysia recognize India as seperate from Pakistan (as Malaysia has a lot of Hindu Indians in Singapore, and the Bengalis are part of India too, while Ireland and Canada didn't much like the old Pakistani government and hope to see change)

The news of CAR surrender drives the price of gas in Korea upward to 10 Won a gallon, forcing the Emperor to issue yet another Imperial Decree imposing gasoline rationing and mandatory blackouts every other day. Sun Myung Moon and his Unification Church make a loud noise proclaiming the apocalypse is nigh again, and urge the Korean people and all people to "repent" though nobody listens.

NKPA promptly raids another Moonie pirate radio station, in the meantime....

The Emperor and Kim Gu, meanwhile, ask the nascent Indian Government for an embassy exchange to "seal the deal" brought about by Decree #4.

ooc
player decision by Middle Snu, and Italy did have a history backing the Greeks so it seemed reasonable enough. Italy was helpful, but its help hasn't been decisive by itself.

OOC: It might not have been decisive, but it would have changed a lot from what I've skimmed so far.

To late now I guess, picked a bad week to take a vacation.

IC:The Scandic Union is calling for an immediate cease-fire on all fronts with the (Don't know what we are calling the other side??). The SU and other CSPS nations wish to start immediate negotiations to end this war.

OOC: I know its very general, but I'm still pretty overwhelmed by whats happened so far.

(ooc: remember, military units that fight or are deployed for more then 3 months cost TWICE as much maintenance then if they just sit around in peacetime, and no one has paid the maintenance for extended combat. Which makes sense, as this wasn’t exactly a planned war).


OOC: Actually, Poland and the Ukraine both have the extra points to cover it, lots of points were left over for this scenario when they went National Effort(Check the economy thread and the builds for them).:p

Not that it really matters now...

EDIT: And with the FNS aircraft shipment halted, the SU would have 25 points left open for supplies.

With the destruction of the Pakistani Menace, the Federation of South American Nations demands that all parties sit down for a peace talk in Caracas.

FNS also quietly informs Russia that it does infact have a Mutual Defense Treaty with the Scandic Union and thus why it has not entered the conflict. We will not do so, and in fact, it shames us to put them at such a disadvantage. It would be in Russia's best interests to sit down at these talks.

As Secret As Possible SIC: German reserve divisions (garrisons) begin training extra, and several units are called up full time.

All German Aircraft and the 4 Imperial Guard units in the Mideast return to home. The German High Seas Fleet is called up and the 4 Heavy Carriers, the ASW Carrier and the 5 Crusiers and their 10 Destroyers rendevous outside of Hamburg.

After the French call for assistance, the Reichstag begins heated debates about further German involvement.

Meanwhile, the Kaiserin and Chancellor take a summer trip to Windhoek and will remain there for an indeterminant amount of time.

Caracas Peace Talks (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11366308#post11366308)

more hard lessons
It is discovered that generally only about 2,000 casualties are suffered every time a brigades worth of equipment is destroyed. Material and vehicle losses are far higher then personnel losses (2:1 usually or more). The death rate is also substantially lower then previous wars. For every 10 men who become casualties, 1 is killed, 1 dies of wounds, 1 is permenantly crippled, 2 are wounded sufficiently to be out of the war but able to return to civilian life and labor, and 5 are able to return to duty within 6 months.

The only exceptions are occasions when units are isolated or overrun, and in which those who aren't killed are usually captured.

Air losses however are much higher then the Third Great War, much to everyones suprise. Pilot losses too are high, and air strikes frequently inflict serious losses on base personnel (although not high enough to prevent their replacement)

Body armor, far superior medical care and unheard of casualty evacuation speed with helicopters and four wheel drive ambulances are proving to be highly important.

Missiles are turning out to be expensive and useful mainly because they force aircraft to operate at low altitude where they are vulnerable to AAA fire. Surface to Air missiles are also useful in that they force attacking aircraft to sacrifice part of their bombload for electronic countermeasures and chaff.

At the end of 1964, the Flying Tigers turn over remaing aircraft to the Russians and return home. Leaving behind 500 dead or missing and presumed dead. .

The Republic of France Congratulates Indira Ghandi and recognises the Soverign State of India and express their faith to a swift end to this unfortunate matter, also a recognistions of the state of Pakistan is issued and the matter of a peace treaty is delegated to the Commonwealth who tread on familiar grounds.

The UIR offers to watch over non-Indian lands of Pakistan. It also requests to watch over the muslim areas of the CAR, with the possibility of both areas joining in the future

In the summer of 1964 in the Northern Hemisphere, people discover that summer hasn't actually come. Spring like temperatures continue, but so do occasional freezes. Rains are also much less then usual, and by mid summer, drought is underway in the interior portions of North America, Asia and Europe.

Sunsets however are spectacular throughout the Northern Hemisphere, but climatologists note them with grave concern.

Fall comes early, and winter even earlier, with most of the Northern Hemisphere facing winter temperatures as early as mid October. This too is hard on harvests.

Exposure is added to the list of woes of the people of China, refugees in Russia and the Scandic Union. (ooc civilian death rate is 2% of the population of Russia and Greece because of the many displaced or made homeless by the war, and 1% for the Ukraine -- from all causes).

The Allied offensive in the Ukraine in addition to saving Moscow, also forced the CSPS to pull back from the Volga as the line was simply too long to be defensable. They hold on to Rostov, Orel and Kursk, but are forced to give up their other gains. The Russians reoccupy their cities, but lack the strength to push further.

Many governments, especially the ones at war, notice a growing sullen resignation in the people. This causes some worry in more thoughtful circles.

By winter, the worst of the famine in China is fully underway. Whole villages and towns are forced to die where they are, or flee which results in many dieing on the road.

Dark and disturbing rumors of cannablism leak out of more isolated areas as well.

The troops in China, and what militia units that have been created do their best, but there are simply too many too doomed to save.

Nearly a million people mass in the center of Beijing demading food, and are dispersed only with great difficulty, as local militia and police are severely outnumbered.

Several politicians commit suicide in despair soon after.

News of these developments, especially the cannibalism rumors, is censored in the Korean news for fear of inciting panic; edited reports are filtered into the media. However, one thing is certain--the sullen resignation is there, and the death of Syngman Rhee, combined with continued Moonie ranting and reports of scuffles at gas stations, doesn't help a bit, and the Emperor and Congress worry that unless something can be done to improve morale, things may turn for the worse.

In Germany, people remain relatively content. While farming has been rough, and a weak economy has hurt industrialists and poor overseas conditions have wrecked trade, most Germans are alive and fed. Many are out of jobs but the government is able to feed them all and does so, at the expense of the rich.

However, politically, things are tense. Many people are demanding that Germany enter the war on the side of their EEC members, while many others feel that Germany should refrain from committing their young people to the abyss of death. However, many warhawks respond that Germany's entry into the war would allow the war to end more swiftly.

Cynics respond that Scandinavia has not been very prudent with it's nuclear weapons lately and Berlin is a very nice city. However, demonstrations outside of the Reichstag Building begin demanding the obliteration of the CSPS.

Secretly, the Reichswehr approaches the FNS and (I think Australia has them) about the sharing of ABM technology for Germany.

The UIR informs Pakistan that it is moving 3 Infantry Divisions through its country to aid China, and will pass through the northern regions.

China is informed 80 points of aid have been allocated to it

The UIR informs Pakistan that it is moving 3 Infantry Divisions through its country to aid China, and will pass through the northern regions.

China is informed 80 points of aid have been allocated to it

OOC
better off going by sea, logistics are easier, and you don't have to deal with Central Asia, which is a mess at the moment.

Grumbling begins to increase in intensity in the legislatures in the Scandic Union, Poland and the Ukraine. The Poles especially are worried about the possibility of the war going nuclear. The Ukrainians are worried about the fact that a sigificant portion of their country has been conquered, and Odessa is finally forced to surrender in December when food supplies are exhausted.

Not that they have any significant seaborne trade anymore anyway.

Quiet inquiries are sent to Italy, Greece, Yugoslavia and Albania asking for peace. All are informed that Greece is nor safe from further attack and that the CSPS would be more than willing to sign a non-agression pact with Greece and any other neighbors and would offer to pay for the damages caused to Greece. italy is specifcally reminded of the very close relations shared by the SU and italy for 15 years, including a non agression pact, mutual defense treaty, economic agreements and more.

Publicaly the SU is caling for a ceasefire with France, Russia, Britain, Romania and any other nations involved and is asking all nation to participate in the peace talks to end this war quickly and peacefully without further loss of life.

The French ignore these calls, but publishes European Propaganda expressing that "the Vikings are On the Run!", "Victory is at hand!" and "Bullies Don't Get Off that Easy!" among many others.

Meanwhile, The French Defence Minister concludes a visit to the Front to encourage troops.

Britain states its intentions to continue fighting for an unconditional surrender of the CSPS and begins slimming down the budget to provide ammunition for the troops. The British public is outraged that a reserve was not allocated in teh budget to pay for increased ammunition costs from war but the Chancellor of the Exchequer and the Ministry of Defence take the line that war on this scale was impossible to predict when the budget was announced.

The Treasury consults the Admiralty and scraps further expansion of the RN's ballistic submarine fleet (hasn't done much anyway). The 16 points spare goes to providing ammunition and equipment for allied troops in theatres where British troops are engaged, prioritising British forces if required.

From Main Thread:

but it might include a large number of mushroom clouds

Oh dear God...

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ICly for what it's worth: Britain restates that it's nuclear umbrella covers the Commonwealth, EEC and other currently allied states (Russia etc fighting the CSPS). If missiles are detected as launched against any of these states Britain will have no choice but to retaliate against the launching nation, the world must surely understand the need for such a policy to reduce threats of further strikes in these times.

OOC: I have a feeling something very bad is about to happen...

The UIR will be sending its troops via the ocean helped by Japan's fleet to get there

The UIR, citing the lack of a stable government in non-India, prepares to move 2 mechanized divisions into Baluchistan purely for peacekeeping missions and to ensure religious violence doesn't break out.

ok gentlemen, this is the big one

the next 24 hours will determine what will happen. As this is really complex, involves multiple players, and if it goes nuclear, which is a good bet, it will determine what nations are left when its over I intend to go slow.

Sorry, 1965 is delayed until further notice.

In November, the Germans enter the war with a massive air and airborne attack against the missile fields of the Scandic Union. The British may or may not be helping (yes for now).

This is a really complicated battle and the stakes are higher then anything else that has happened in this RP for the entire history of this RP.

Parthini and Lesser Ribenia forgot to target the Scandic subs, but I always assume military commanders are reasonably competent and so whatever they have that can get at them will do so. As the Scandics have 2 submarines, and 1 is always in the Baltic, the other has a 50% chance of being in port at the time of attack (replenishing food stuffs, replacing crews, minor repairs etc).

I have a target list from the Scandic Union, and have sent him a TG indicating the situation, which may modify what is or isn't attacked.

Due to real life issues, like I have a family who expects me to do things with them on Sundays (go figure..lol), I will not be able to do much for about 6 hours today. So you have about 5 hours from the time of this post (815 PM London time until 115 AM London time) if you are directly involved in this (Russian, French, German, Scandic and British players) to modify any instructions or give me some. I also have to check the order of battle for the Scandic Union and see what he has left.

Although if Safehaven could read through the posts and figure out what he lost and what he started with it would help me a lot.

OOC:

Final orders are in from me, probably more lenient than Britain would be in RL but i'm hoping to avoid another holocaust. If it all goes badly then i'll carry on with Britain but the world will be much changed and probably worse than ever before in terms of climate confusion.

Still the real-time pressure put on by GB is very realistic (and gets the adrenaline going) and I have enjoyed every minute of it, highly worthwhile having these crises and I am sure we'd all like to thank GB for his efforts.

Nothing more to do but to switch on the PC tomorrow (probably quite late after you guys, I have work and a few time zones to contend with) and check if my country still exists.

PS: GB's post is actually at 9:15pm UK time (pesky British Daylight Saving Time to be added in) if anyone's a little confused.

wow, it's definitely awesome when you know something big's going to go down and who's involved, but you don't know what exactly will happen.

I would be so excited right now but China and the USEA got nuked, cause otherwise Asia would rule! Guess it's all up to Africa...

CSPS forces January 24, 1964
Scandic Union
Air Force
8 MIG25, 4 Mirage V, 1 Tu95, 1 Tu16, 1 Tu22, 1 ETU95, 1 KC97 Tanker, 4 AH units, 22 pilots
Navy
1 Nuclear attack submarine, 2 Ballistic missile subs, 4 destroyer squadrons (8 DDG), 1 nuclear heavy missile cruiser, 2 nuclear anti-aircraft cruiser,
Nuclear forces
30 3rd generation IRBMs, 72 3rd generation ICBMs (all solid fuel, MIRVed)
Army
1 HQ, 2 garrison units, 4 armored divisions, 4 flak units, 3 artillery groups, 3 mechanized divisions, 2 mountain infantry brigades, forts at the Faeroe Islands, Kiel, Petrograd

Polish Forces
Air Force
14 MIG 25, 5 Tu22, 2 Tu16, 1 KC97, 1 Tu 107, 1 ETU95, 6 gunship, 4 transport helo, 1 ASW helo 22 pilots expert, 14 pilots regular
Navy
3 destroyer squadrons (6 DDG) , 1 nuclear heavy missile cruiser, 3 SSN, 1 CVAN, 1 heavy air wing
Army
2 HQ, 9 armored divisions, 5 infantry corps, 6 mech divisions, 2 mech arty groups, 4 airborne brigades, 8 flak

Ukrainian Forces
Air Force
14 MiG 25’s, 5 Tu 22s, Tu 107, 2 ETU95, 6 AH, 1 transport, 29 pilots,
Navy
4 destroyers, 2 nuclear attack subs, 2 nuclear power heavy missile cruisers
Army
2 HQ, 2 infantry corps, 4 garrisons, 5 mech flak divisions, 11 armored divisions, 8 mech divisions, 4 mech arty groups, 1 SF airborne brigade


Divisions consist of 3 brigades each, corps consist of 6 brigades plus 1 flak brigade, garrison units are 3 infantry brigades, 3 flak brigades


Forces available in November (after losses not counting replacements)
Scandic Union
Nuclear forces
30 3rd generation IRBMs, 72 3rd generation ICBMs (all solid fuel, MIRVed1 Garrison unit at Kiel
4 flak (home defense Stockholm, Trondheim, Copenhagen, Kiel), 1 mech arty, 1 mech division (Oslo),
Available aircraft: 4 Mig 23, 1 Mig 25, 2 Tu22, 1 Tu95, 1 ETu95
Scandic Naval forces: 1 SSN7.5, 2 SSN7, 2 Ballistic missile subs, 6 DDG (2 nuclear), 3 AA cruisers (1 nuclear) 1 heavy cruiser, 10 SSKs,
Polish forces in Scandic Union: 2 airborne brigades, 2 transport helicopters (in Karellia), 1 infantry corps in Denmark, 1 mechanized division in Trondheim
Polish naval forces:
1 CVAN, 1 heavy air wing, 1 heavy cruiser, 5 DDG, 1 SSN, 5 SSK7,

Northern Front (Pskov / Novgorad front)
Scandic: 1 HQ, 3 armored brigade, 1 mechanized brigade, 3 mechanized artillery groups, 3 gunship units, 2 pilots organized as 1st Army (Moscow front)
1 Scandic garrison unit, 1 gunship unit at Petrograd
Polish: 1 HQ, 12 armored brigades, 4 infantry brigades, 2 airborne brigades, 2 helicopter gunship units, 2 transport helicopter units

Eastern (watching the Russians from Tula to Rostov)
Polish: 1 HQ, 12 armored brigades, 8 infantry brigades, 2 artillery groups, 3 helicopter gunship units, plus 3 Ukrainian artillery groups, 1 Ukrainian Special forces brigade, 3 Ukrainian attack helicopter units (7th and 3rd armies)

Western (watching Allies from Bryansk to Odessa)
Ukrainian 8 mechanized brigades, 14 armored brigades, 2 HQs, 2 flak groups, 3 attack helicopter units

Rear area
Garrisons: 1 garrison unit (3 infantry brigades, 3 flak brigades each) at Kiev, Sevestapol, Dneiperpetrovsk
Ukrainian Navy: 3 SSN7

Air units available northern front or Poland
Scandic: 2 Mig 23, 2 Draken, 1 Tu95,1 KC97
Polish: 2 Mig 23, 2 Draken, 2 Tu16, 1 KC97,

Polish Home Defenses
9 Mig 23,
1 HQ, 11 armored brigades, 14 mech brigades, 8 flak (guarding cities) (includes 6 mech brigades watching German and Czech borders)

Air units available for Ukraine
6 Mig23s, 1 MiG 25, 2 Tu 22, 2 ETU95,

All CSPS pilots are now elite (because they have survived an extremely intense air war)

based on best information I could find at the time

*pulls out big foam finger*

Go Poland! Yaaaaaay!

Really, though; the CSPS forces look mighty formidable. It's not gonna be easy for the evil Russian hordes and their allies to defeat them.

But I'm happy for one thing; independent Poland has lasted more than a month in a World War. Huzzah! Huzzah! Huzzah!

Various Allied Forces in Europe November 1964 (includes replacements)
British Forces
G-I-UK Gap and North Atlantic
Canadian forces
1 P3 Orion maritime patrol wing (operating out of Iceland)
(US still has 1 infantry division and a fighter wing guarding Iceland)
6 Canadian Frigates (escorting convoys)
20 FNS frigates (escorting convoys)
2 escort carriers, 2 RN destroyrs, 4 RN frigates (escorting convoys)
(US has 10 SSNs covering the G-I-UK gap looking for Scandic SSNs that try to penetrate… none are, but they don’t know that. Also 1 US P3 Orion wing out of Iceland and Greenland)
2 RN fleet carrier battlegroups each with 1 fleet carrier, 1 light air wing, 1 escort cruiser, 4 destroyers, 2 frigates
2 RN hunter killer ASW groups each with 1 light carrier, 1 ASW air wing, 1 escort cruiser, 2 destroyers, 2 frigates,
10 nuclear powered ballistic missile submarines (operating in the Arctic)
1 FNS CVAN battlegroup with 1 CVAN, 2 heavy cruisers, 2 light cruisers, 2 AA cruisers, 10 destroyers

North Sea
RN 6 heavy cruisers, 9 light cruisers, 20 destroyers (operating out of Yarmouth)
9 SSNs
FNSN 5 destroyers, 40 missiles boats, 2 SSNs

Home Defenses and forces available for deployment
RAF
1 Tornado Air defense version interceptor wings, 2 F4G fighter wings, 1 RAAF F4G fighter wing, 1 Harrier fighter bomber wing, 1 AEW wing, 2 Tanker wings, 2 Transport wings, 3 Buccaneer bomber units, 1 Nimrod ASW unit
British Army
3 mechanized divisions, 4 flak groups, 1 artillery group, Royal Marine mechanized marine brigade, 2nd Parachute brigade, Ghurka Brigade (light infantry), SAS brigade (special operations), 3 gunship units, 3 cargo helicopter units, 3 transport helicopter units
plus 4 brigades German paratroopers, 4 German transport aircraft wings

British nuclear forces
in addition to Submarines (5 with 18 missiles, 5 with 12 missiles)

150 2nd generation solid fueled ICBMs (Minuteman III type)
100 3rd generation liquid fueled ICBMs (Titan III type)
240 3rd generation solid fueled IRBMs (Polaris III type)
plus FNS nuclear forces

Russian forces
Arctic Front
5th mountain brigade (guarding Archangel)
1st Parachute brigade, 2nd Parachute brigade plus 2 transport helicopter units, 1 attack helicopter unit

Fortress Moscow
4 infantry brigades, 2 flak units

Northern front (facing Poles and Scandics)
1st Canadian Mechanized division (3 mechanized brigades)
1st Armored Corps (consists of 7 armored brigades, 1 flak unit)
2nd Infantry corps (consists of 7 infantry brigades, 1 flak unit )
2nd Mechanized Infantry division (3 mechanized brigades)
1st Mechanized Infantry division (3 mechanized brigades)
1 HQ unit

Combined Air Force
Russian: 1 Yak 28 fighter bomber units, 3 Su 22 fighter bomber units, 4 F105 light bomber units, 10 Kfir fighter bomber units, 1 RA22 recon unit, 1 EA22 AEW unit,
Flying Tigers: 2 F4G, 1 F105, 1 WF105, 1 KC135, 2 attack helicopter unit, 2 cargo helicopter unit, 1 transport helicopter unit, 10 pilots
Canadian Air Force: 2 F4G, 1 C130 transport unit, 2 airborne brigades,

Southern line (facing Poles from Tula to Rostov
24 mechanized brigades 10th – 17th mechanized divisions, 33rd mechanized divisions,)

Kazakhstan
4 militia units

Siberia
5 flak units, 5 militia units (guarding cities and ports)

10 1st generation SSNs at Petropovlavsk (operating in the North Pacific)

French forces (facing the Poles on Rumanian border)
1 HQ, 1 airborne brigade, 2 armored divisions, 1 infantry corps, (6 armored brigades, 6 infantry brigades, 1 airborne brigade)
4 Mirage F1, 1 Vulcan

Yugoslav forces
1 infantry corps (occupation duty, Turkey)
2 infantry corps, 2 armored divisions, 1 HQ (invasion force Ukraine, Yugoslav 1st Army)(12 infantry brigades, 6 armored brigades)
2 Mirage F1

Albanian forces
3 light infantry brigades (occupation duty, Turkey)

Greek forces
3 mechanized brigades, 3 Mirage F1

British forces
4 armored divisions, 2 mechanized divisions, 1 HQ (10 armored brigades, 12 mechanized brigades), 2 Harrier fighter bomber units, 4 Vulcan bomber units, 4 tanker units

Burgundian forces
1 mechanized division (3 mechanized brigades), 1 F4G unit

Belgian forces
1 mechanized division (3 mechanized brigades), 1 F4G unit

Dutch forces
1 armored brigade, 1 F4G unit

Italian forces
6 armored brigades, 6 mechanized infantry brigades, 2 F4G units

FNS air units and logistics units are in Siberia and Kazakhstan

German forces
Reichswehr

(1964)

Kaiserlich Heer
?
Landwehr
1x Highly Trained Garrison-Dortmund
1x Highly Trained Garrison-Essen
1x Highly Trained Garrison-Dusseldorf
1x Highly Trained Garrison-Koln
1x Highly Trained Garrison-Bonn
1x Highly Trained Garrison-Bremen
1x Highly Trained Garrison-Hamburg
1x Highly Trained Garrison-Kiel
1x Highly Trained Garrison-Hannover
1x Highly Trained Garrison-Berlin
1x Highly Trained Garrison-Nuremburg
1x Highly Trained Garrison-Frankfurt
1x Highly Trained Garrison-Mainz
1x Highly Trained Garrison-Mannheim
1x Highly Trained Garrison-Leipzig
1x Highly Trained Garrison-Dresden
1x Highly Trained Garrison-Karlsruhe
1x Highly Trained Garrison-Saarbrucken
1x Highly Trained Garrison-Stuttgart
1x Highly Trained Garrison-Munich
1x Highly Trained Garrison-Salzburg
1x Highly Trained Garrison-Vienna
1x Highly Trained Garrison-Karlsbad
1x Highly Trained Garrison-Stettin
1x Highly Trained Garrison-Danzig
1x Highly Trained Garrison-Konigsburg
1x Highly Trained Garrison-Breslau
1x Highly Trained Garrison-Posen
1x Highly Trained Garrison-Lubeck
1x Highly Trained Garrison-Innsbruck
1x Highly Trained Garrison-Magdeburg
1x Highly Trained Garrison-Heidelburg

Aktiv
1x Elite Mechanized Infantry Division-Hamburg
1x Elite Mechanized Infantry Division-Danzig
1x Elite Mechanized Infantry Division-Konigsburg
1x Elite Mechanized Infantry Division-Leipzig
1x Elite Mechanized Infantry Division-Vienna
1x Elite Mechanized Infantry Division-Essen

1x Elite Mechanized Flak Division-Hamburg
1x Elite Mechanized Flak Division-Berlin
1x Elite Mechanized Flak Division-Koln
1x Elite Mechanized Flak Division-Munich
1x Elite Mechanized Flak Division-Danzig
1x Elite Mechanized Flak Division-Konigsburg
1x Elite Mechanized Flak Division-Vienna
1x Elite Mechanized Flak Division-Frankfurt
1x Elite Mechanized Flak Division-Kiel
1x Elite Mechanized Flak Division-Queen Victoria Space Center, Heligoland

1x Elite Mechanized Artillery Division-Hamburg
1x Elite Mechanized Artillery Division-Posen
1x Elite Mechanized Artillery Division-Frankfurt

1x Elite Armored Division-Hannover
1x Elite Armored Division-Hamburg
1x Elite Armored Division-Posen
1x Elite Armored Division-Frankfurt
1x Elite Armored Division-Mannheim
1x Elite Armored Division-Konigsburg

1x Special Forces Paratrooper Brigade-Hamburg
1x DO 500-Hamburg
1x Special Forces Paratrooper Brigade-Essen
1x DO 500-Essen
1x Special Forces Paratrooper Brigade-Danzig
1x DO 500-Danzig
1x Special Forces Paratrooper Brigade-Stettin
1x DO 500-Stettin
1x Special Forces Light Infantry-Royal Escort
1x Special Forces Light Infantry-Queen Victoria Space Center, Heligoland?

1x Cargo Helicopter-Berlin

5x Elite Pilot

Luftwaffe
?
Aktiv
7x Elite Pilot

1x TA 202-Hamburg
2x TA 202-Danzig
1x TA 202-Berlin
1x TA 202-Vienna
1x TA 202-Essen
1x TA 202-Munich

1x DO-500 Spy Plane

Reserve
21x Elite Pilot
5x Civilian Pilot

2x TA 202-Hamburg
2x TA 202-Hamburg
1x TA 202-Danzig
1x TA 202-Stettin
1x TA 202-Konigsburg
1x TA 202-Posen
1x TA 202-Breslau
1x TA 202-Frankfurt
1x TA 202-Berlin
1x TA 202-Vienna
1x TA 202-Leipzig
1x TA 202-Essen

1x Heavy Air Wing-Kiel

2x J22 Oro, 1 x J22 Oro EW -Hamburg
2x J22 Oro-Danzig
1x J22 Oro 400-Breslau
1x J22 Oro-Essen

1x Do 500-Munich
1x Do 500-Leipzig
1x Do 500-Koln
1x Do 500-Essen

Foreign Deployments
Czech Republic
1x Elite Mechanized Flak Division
1x Highly Trained Mechanized Flak Division (prep)
1x Special Forces Light Infantry Brigade
1x Transport Helicopter
3x TA 202

1x Elite Mechanized Artillery Division
1x Elite Armored Division
1x Highly Trained Armored Division (prep)
1x Highly Trained Mechanized Infantry Corps (prep)
1x Elite HQ

Hungary
1x Elite Mechanized Flak Division
1x Highly Trained Mechanized Flak Division (prep)
1x Special Forces Light Infantry Brigade
1x Transport Helicopter
1x Cargo Helicopter
1x TA 202
1x Elite Armored Division
1x Highly Trained Armored Division (prep)
1x Highly Trained Mechanized Infantry Corps (prep)


Abu Kamal, Syria
1x Elite Mechanized Flak Division
1x Highly Trained Mechanized Flak Division (prep)
1x Special Forces Light Infantry Brigade
1x Transport Helicopter
2x Elite Armored Division
1x Highly Trained Armored Division (prep)
1x Highly Trained Mechanized Infantry Corps (prep)


eastern Egypt (disaster relief)
1x Elite Mechanized Flak Division
1x Highly Trained Mechanized Flak Division (prep)
1x Special Forces Light Infantry Brigade
1x Transport Helicopter
1x Cargo Helicopter
1x Elite Mechanized Infantry Division
1x Highly Trained Armored Division (prep)

Kaiserlich Marine

1x CVAN Heavy Carrier Battlegroup-Hamburg
-Nuclear Power Heavy Carrier Prussia
-4 Destroyers
-1 replenishment ship
-1 Heavy Flight Wing
-1 Elite Pilot
1x CVAN Heavy Carrier Battlegroup-Hamburg
-Nuclear Powered Heavy Carrier Bavaria
-4 Destroyers
-1 replenishment ship
-1 Heavy Flight Wing
-1 Elite Pilot
1x CVAN Heavy Carrier Battlegroup-Danzig
-Nuclear Powered Heavy Carrier Wurttemburg
-4 Destroyers
-1 replenishment ship
-1 Heavy Flight Wing
-1 Elite Pilot
1x CVAN Heavy Carrier Battlegroup-Hamburg
-Nuclear Power Heavy Carrier Saxony
-4 Destroyers
-1 replenishment ship
-1 Heavy Flight Wing
-1 Elite Pilot

1x CVL Light Carrier ASW Battlegroup-Damman
-Light Carrier Bismarck
-4 Destroyers
-1 replenishment ship
-1 ASW Air Wing
-1 Elite Pilot

1x Heavy Missle Cruiser-Hamburg
-2 Destroyers
1x Heavy Missle Cruiser-Hamburg
-2 Destroyers
1x Heavy Missle Cruiser-Danzig
-2 Destroyers
1x Heavy Missle Cruiser-Damman
-2 Destroyers
1x Heavy Missle Cruiser-Hamburg
-2 Destroyers

10x Attack Submarines-Hamburg
5x Attack Submarines-Danzig

11x Coastal Patrol Boats-Danzig
15x Coastal Patrol Boats-Hamburg
6x Coastal Patrol Boats-Konigsburg
8x Coastal Patrol Boats-Kiel
?

Handelsmarine

16,750,000 tons Shipping
500,000 tons Transport Shipping


Kaiserlichnachrichtendienst

10,000 Analysts
Ocean Trawlers
Improved Spy Satellite Network

(note: all Elite= Highly trained. I'm too lazy)

All German warships are at sea in either the Baltic Sea or North Sea

OOC
ok, I need the Scandic and French player to check forces.. I know the Russian and British forces are correct.

Again, why do I have naval forces in the Northern Atlantic when I did not order them there. I did state it was a pacific affair.

Again, why do I have naval forces in the Northern Atlantic when I did not order them there. I did state it was a pacific affair.

you gave me orders stating your fleet was working with the British and Australians, but you can pull them back. It won't affect anything.

Well I should have another Inafntry Corps, minus 4 infantry brigades that is. That Vulcan I sent to Kenya should be back right now, shouldn't it?

Also I remember sending that one Mirage V based in Basra to the Russians.

Well I should have another Inafntry Corps, minus 4 infantry brigades that is. That Vulcan I sent to Kenya should be back right now, shouldn't it?

Also I remember sending that one Mirage V based in Basra to the Russians.

Mirage V unit in question got sent to the Ukraine as it couldn't get to Russia at the time, and now is a Mirage F1

Infantry corps in question was broken up to provide replacements for losses

Oh very well.

November 1, 1964
The Germans enter the war and launch a massive air and airborne attack against Scandic missile fields in Norway and Sweden. Assisting are the British and French, and the goal is nothing less then the destruction of the Scandic Union missile force and its ability to threaten the EEC nations with destruction. An effort is also made to destroy the Scandic Union nuclear ballistic submarine force.

Air attack - First light
The Germans send in 21 Ta-202 interceptor wings (1008 aircraft), 6 J22 Oro (216 aircraft) bomb wings, 1 J22 Wild Weasel wing (36 aircraft supporting the bombers), 8 transport wings (288 aircraft carrying 8 brigades of paratroopers and commandos), plus 3 Heavy carrier air wings (180 aircraft) from the North Sea. At the same time, 1 heavy carrier air wing and the German Baltic Fleet of 5 SSK, 2 heavy cruisers, 1 heavy carrier, 1 light carrier, 18 destroyers, and 19 missile boats attacks the Polish and Scandic fleets to clear the way for Canadian and British maritime patrol aircraft to comb the Baltic for the Scandic missile submarines.

Even as this German air armada comes in, the British are coming in over the North Sea. An attack force of 2 F4G wings, 2 Buccaneer bomb wings, and 1 Buccaneer Wild Weasel Wing (204 aircraft) supported by tankers leads the way for 2 C130 wings carrying a brigade each of Paratroopers and Special Air Service Commandos. By the time this force is picked up on radar, every available fighter is in a desperate fight with the Germans.

Meanwhile, the Royal Navy races toward the Norwegian coast at high speed even transports and warships leave Edinburgh for a high speed run toward Norway.

The Scandic Union has only 4 wings of Mig 23s and 1 wing of Mig25s available (about 250 fighters) to defend against the armada, and they immediately begin to scramble.

The air assault is time so that the Germans appear on radar first, leaving the way open in theory for the British to get in on a relatively undefended flank. It works perfectly (from the British point of view at least)

In the Baltic, heavy fighting begins right away as the Germans and CSPS fleets are in close proximity of each other. By stroke of luck, the Germans catch one of the Scandic missile submarines in port and sink it at its moorings before it can launch missiles or even submerge.

Meanwhile, German troops cross into Denmark with 2 armored divisions, 2 mechanized divisions, 1 artillery group, and 2 flak groups. A much larger invasion of Poland also happens at this time, involving out of Germany 4 armored divisions, 4 mechanized divisions, 2 artillery groups, 4 flak groups and out of Czechslovakia 2 armored divisions, 2 mechanized infantry divisions, 3 flak groups, 1 artillery group and 1 HQ drives. Supporting this attack are 3 Ta202 fighter wings. Yet another invasion occurs as German troops out of Hungary invade the Ukraine with 2 armored divisions, 2 mechanized divisions, 3 flak groups, 1 artillery group and 1 HQ, catching the Polish forces facing the French on the flank.

ooc
I have gamed out what happens in the conventional fighting, which could be modified substantially based on some decisions made by the players involved involving nuclear weapons. This is all the Scandic Union knows when decision time comes.

OOC: aren't all German units expert trained?

IC:

THe UIR mechanized Divisions reach their objectives. 1 mechanized division is placed in Quetta, and the other in Peshawar. 1 Infantry Division has been sent to reinforce both cities. The 8 reserve Infantry Divisions have been called up until the fighting in Europe is over.

1 Mechanized Divisions and 1 Infantry Division has been sent to Rawalpindi to form an interim Pakistani government and another 1 Mechanized Division and 1 Infantry Division has been sent to Karachi. A further 1 Mechanized Division and 1 Infantry Division has also been sent to Hyderabad and Lahore (1 of each groups to each city)

The troops will remain in Pakistan until further notice

OOC: aren't all German units expert trained?

IC:

THe UIR mechanized Divisions reach their objectives. 1 mechanized division is placed in Quetta, and the other in Peshawar. 1 Infantry Division has been sent to reinforce both cities. The 8 reserve Infantry Divisions have been called up until the fighting in Europe is over.

1 Mechanized Divisions and 1 Infantry Division has been sent to Islamabad to form an interim Pakistani government and another 1 Mechanized Division and 1 Infantry Division has been sent to Karachi. A further 1 Mechanized Division and 1 Infantry Division has also been sent to Hyderabad and Lahore (1 of each groups to each city)

The troops will remain in Pakistan until further notice

OOC: Islamabad was never built in this timeline; however, the nearby city of Rawalpindi still exists.

November 1
All along the front, whereever CSPS and Allied troops are in contact, savage fighting breaks out as the CSPS use tactical nuclear weapons to attempt to shatter the Allied armies and air forces, the German armies invade in great strength, and the British and Russians reply with tactical nuclear weapons of their own.

ooc
gamed out and will be posted along with everything else once the day is completed.

November 1
All along the front, whereever CSPS and Allied troops are in contact, savage fighting breaks out as the CSPS use tactical nuclear weapons to attempt to shatter the Allied armies and air forces, the German armies invade in great strength, and the British and Russians reply with tactical nuclear weapons of their own.

ooc
gamed out and will be posted along with everything else once the day is completed.


OOC: oh crap

OOC; BOy the way this is going the people in the SOuthern hemisphere are going to be what's left of the human race as the North destroys itself. Sooo Africa, South America, anyone else. Wanna build our own little world away from the zombie races up north? Waiting for the Chinese excursion to my country first. All I am doing is preparing for it.

Korea moves the Infantry Division and Mountain Warfare Brigade inside its home terrtories to the Yalu River to aid in policing the border, and announces it will take refugees, though they must pass inspection first by Korean Immigration officials, who are set up in border posts and makeshift tent camps.

Australasia announces that it will be willing to receive up to one million refugees from the USEA and 2 million from China over the course of the next year and a half. Numbers are to be increased in stages and 2 Light Airborne Brigades are activated to assist in what is the equivalent of crowd control. The government goes into deficit (2 points) to build infastructure in the states of Moluccas and New Guinea in order to accomodate the persons.

Timeline of events November 1
0400 hours Scandic and Polish intelligence officers analyze German deployments and determine that the Germans are clearly prepared to launch a major ground invasion of Poland, the Ukraine and Denmark. They also determine airfields are crowded and air units are prepared for intensive operations. Human intelligence (ooc: spies) verifies that the Germans are about to move.

0500 Warnings are sent to all commands indicated war is a distinct possibility with Germany with 24 – 72 hours. Although vague, it’s enough to get commanders out of bed and to consult with their commanders.

0600 hours Radar picks up a massive raid inbound from Germany. Orders are sent granting nuclear release to local commanders for tactical nuclear weapons, and contingency plans are activated for forces dealing with the Russians.

0615 hours Even as massive air battles and sea battles are occurring in the Baltic and over the Scandic Union, German forces invade Poland, Denmark and the Ukraine. Orders are given for phase 1 of the Scandic nuclear strike plan to begin. The Scandic commander is acting under launch on warning he has for a limited strike in the event of a German invasion. He considers the German strike proof of that invasion.

0620 The Scandic Union launches 10 IRBMs at targets in Germany. A rocket also lifts off from the Scandic Union launch facility. The British pick up the launch but hold off. Meanwhile, radar picks up a large force of transports approaching the missiles fields located in central Sweden and eastern Norway. Without a sizeable body of troops to defend them, these fields will be helpless if the Germans successfully drop their paratroopers. Over the next 5 minutes, the Scandic Supreme commander attempts to get fighters vectored into position to intercept them, but to no avail. He calls the Scandic Union President, but is unable to get through. Meanwhile, a large formation of British aircraft are detected over the North Sea approaching Norway.

0627 Scandic nuclear warheads detonate over Germany.

0630 German commandoes and paratroopers begin landing at the site of the Scandic missile fields. Heavy air defense fire, the rugged terrain and cold weather is severely disruptive, and few of the German troops land in position. Those that do begin immediately using explosive charges to jam shut silo hatch covers and cut communications links.

0632 Reports are received that German troops are at the missile fields and attacking. Unable to get through to the President, he gets the news that the Germans have managed to sink one of the two remaining Boomers (ooc nuclear ballistic missile submarine) he has in port, and its clear that the Germans are going for nothing less then disarming the Scandic Union. He takes a few minutes to consider his options.

0641 Admiral Heinlein, at Cheyenne Mountain in North America, acting on his own authority, orders his 2 armed X20s that in space to take out the obvious Scandic FOBS vehicle and the Scandic space station with 1 kiloton nuclear tipped missiles.

0645 The Americans destroy the Scandic space vehicles in question. Meanwhile, British paratroopers and Special Air Service troops begin landing at Stavanger and Bergen, as well as at the Scandic missile fields. Their drop is much more successful then the German airdrop (ooc Germans had bad luck, British had good luck... thems the breaks)

Effects of the first Scandic nuclear strike on Germany
The target list is as follows: 3 IRBM’s(15 warheads)- 6 Elite German fighter units(regulars) and 9 reserve fighter units
2 IRBM(10 warheads)- 4 J22 Oro’s and 4 Do 500’s
3 IRBM’s(15 warheads)-13 remaining German air units (priority fighters)
1 IRBM(5 warheads)-2 warheads: Hamburg, 1 warhead: Lubeck, 1 warhead: Kiel, 1 warhead: German forces near/on border (Aim to Cut supply lines to Denmark) 1 IRBM(5 warheads)-1 warhead: Breslau, 1 warhead: Poznan 1 warhead: Gorzow, 1 warhead: Zielona Gora 1 warhead: Leszno (should cut any supply lines for an attack on Poland)

Actual effects:
Missiles 1 through 5– launch successfully, destroys German airfields near Hamburg, Berlin, Danzig, Vienna, Essen, Munich, Stettin, Konigsburg, Posen, Essen, Leipzig and Frankfurt. Although these airfields are not actually in the cities that are nearby, nevertheless, 200 kiloton warheads kill tens of thousands of civilians and inflict serious damage to the suburbs of those cities. Missile number 6 fails to work and breaks up during the launch phase. All other missiles are on target, and the cities of Hamburg, Lubeck, Kiel, Pozna, Breslau, Gorzow, Zielona Gora and Leszno are destroyed by direct hits from those missiles

Casualties are heavy but unknown at this time.

OOC: SOB, my internet went down these past two days, great timing, and I don't know how good my connection is so it might be shaky.


GB I think we need to talk..

OOC: GB, The Burgundians are down to 2 brigades, Belgiumonly 1 and the French lost 4 infantry brigades in the Pole attack. I'll edit in CSPS numbers here. As for the nuclear thing up north, wouldn't mind talking to you first.

Timeline of events November 1
0400 hours Scandic and Polish intelligence officers analyze German deployments and determine that the Germans are clearly prepared to launch a major ground invasion of Poland, the Ukraine and Denmark. They also determine airfields are crowded and air units are prepared for intensive operations. Human intelligence (ooc: spies) verifies that the Germans are about to move.

0500 Warnings are sent to all commands indicated war is a distinct possibility with Germany with 24 – 72 hours. Although vague, it’s enough to get commanders out of bed and to consult with their commanders.

0600 hours Radar picks up a massive raid inbound from Germany. Orders are sent granting nuclear release to local commanders for tactical nuclear weapons, and contingency plans are activated for forces dealing with the Russians.

0615 hours Even as massive air battles and sea battles are occurring in the Baltic and over the Scandic Union, German forces invade Poland, Denmark and the Ukraine. Orders are given for phase 1 of the Scandic nuclear strike plan to begin. The Scandic commander is acting under launch on warning he has for a limited strike in the event of a German invasion. He considers the German strike proof of that invasion.

0620 The Scandic Union launches 10 IRBMs at targets in Germany. A rocket also lifts off from the Scandic Union launch facility. The British pick up the launch but hold off. Meanwhile, radar picks up a large force of transports approaching the missiles fields located in central Sweden and eastern Norway. Without a sizeable body of troops to defend them, these fields will be helpless if the Germans successfully drop their paratroopers. Over the next 5 minutes, the Scandic Supreme commander attempts to get fighters vectored into position to intercept them, but to no avail. He calls the Scandic Union President, but is unable to get through. Meanwhile, a large formation of British aircraft are detected over the North Sea approaching Norway.

0627 Scandic nuclear warheads detonate over Germany.

0630 German commandoes and paratroopers begin landing at the site of the Scandic missile fields. Heavy air defense fire, the rugged terrain and cold weather is severely disruptive, and few of the German troops land in position. Those that do begin immediately using explosive charges to jam shut silo hatch covers and cut communications links.

0632 Reports are received that German troops are at the missile fields and attacking. Unable to get through to the President, he gets the news that the Germans have managed to sink one of the two remaining Boomers (ooc nuclear ballistic missile submarine) he has in port, and its clear that the Germans are going for nothing less then disarming the Scandic Union. He takes a few minutes to consider his options.

0641 Admiral Heinlein, at Cheyenne Mountain in North America, acting on his own authority, orders his 2 armed X20s that in space to take out the obvious Scandic FOBS vehicle and the Scandic space station with 1 kiloton nuclear tipped missiles.

0645 The Americans destroy the Scandic space vehicles in question. Meanwhile, British paratroopers and Special Air Service troops begin landing at Stavanger and Bergen, as well as at the Scandic missile fields. Their drop is much more successful then the German airdrop (ooc Germans had bad luck, British had good luck... thems the breaks)

Effects of the first Scandic nuclear strike on Germany
The target list is as follows: 3 IRBM’s(15 warheads)- 6 Elite German fighter units(regulars) and 9 reserve fighter units
2 IRBM(10 warheads)- 4 J22 Oro’s and 4 Do 500’s
3 IRBM’s(15 warheads)-13 remaining German air units (priority fighters)
1 IRBM(5 warheads)-2 warheads: Hamburg, 1 warhead: Lubeck, 1 warhead: Kiel, 1 warhead: German forces near/on border (Aim to Cut supply lines to Denmark) 1 IRBM(5 warheads)-1 warhead: Breslau, 1 warhead: Poznan 1 warhead: Gorzow, 1 warhead: Zielona Gora 1 warhead: Leszno (should cut any supply lines for an attack on Poland)

Actual effects:
Missiles 1 through 5– launch successfully, destroys German airfields near Hamburg, Berlin, Danzig, Vienna, Essen, Munich, Stettin, Konigsburg, Posen, Essen, Leipzig and Frankfurt. Although these airfields are not actually in the cities that are nearby, nevertheless, 200 kiloton warheads kill tens of thousands of civilians and inflict serious damage to the suburbs of those cities. Missile number 6 fails to work and breaks up during the launch phase. All other missiles are on target, and the cities of Hamburg, Lubeck, Kiel, Pozna, Breslau, Gorzow, Zielona Gora and Leszno are destroyed by direct hits from those missiles

Casualties are heavy but unknown at this time.


0648 Scandic President reaches his commander after communications breaks are cleared (caused by intelligence operatives from France, but you don't know that yet)

0700 After discussion, limited launch order is given.
Launch order
4 IRBM’s(20 warheads)-German military formations(mostly mech and armored divisions) and known nuke sites(where Germany’s nuclear weapons are hidden if I know where, not power plants, if not then more nukes for the tanks) (1 gets off)
1 IRBM(5 warheads)-2 warhead: Bremen, 1 warhead: Wilhemhaven 1 warhead: Heligoland 1 warhead: Hamburg (gets off)
1 IRBM(5 warheads)-1 warhead: Konigsberg, 1 warhead: Danzig, 2 warheads: German forces in area 1 warhead Gdynia (gets off)
1 IRBM(5 warheads)-3 warheads: Essen, 1 warhead: Dusseldorf, 1 warhead: Munster (gets off)
1 IRBM(5 warheads)- 1 warhead: Monchengladbach, 2 warhead: Cologne, 1 warhead: Bonn 1 warhead: Aachen (fails in flight after successful launch)
1 IRBM(5 warheads): 3 warheads: Berlin, 1 warhead: Stettin, 1 warhead Brandenburg (doesn’t get off)

1 IRBM(5 warheads): 1 warheads: Bucharest and surrounding airbases/military bases, 3: warheads Ploesti and surrounding oil fields and facilities 1 warhead: Biggest Allied airfield in Romania (doesn’t get off)
1 IRBM(5 warheads): Allied forces that were pushed back from Poland and those in Ukraine, though no Ukrainian city’s are to be hit. (doesn’t get off)

Limited launch on Russia, Moscow, Perm, Ufa, Archengal(a missile per city, since theres an extra 4 MIRVs in each case pick out 4 cities in the are for them to hit) and all military forces. (1 gets off and hits Archangel)

November 1, 1964
The Germans enter the war and launch a massive air and airborne attack against Scandic missile fields in Norway and Sweden. Assisting are the British and French, and the goal is nothing less then the destruction of the Scandic Union missile force and its ability to threaten the EEC nations with destruction. An effort is also made to destroy the Scandic Union nuclear ballistic submarine force.

Air attack - First light
The Germans send in 21 Ta-202 interceptor wings (1008 aircraft), 6 J22 Oro (216 aircraft) bomb wings, 1 J22 Wild Weasel wing (36 aircraft supporting the bombers), 8 transport wings (288 aircraft carrying 8 brigades of paratroopers and commandos), plus 3 Heavy carrier air wings (180 aircraft) from the North Sea. At the same time, 1 heavy carrier air wing and the German Baltic Fleet of 5 SSK, 2 heavy cruisers, 1 heavy carrier, 1 light carrier, 18 destroyers, and 19 missile boats attacks the Polish and Scandic fleets to clear the way for Canadian and British maritime patrol aircraft to comb the Baltic for the Scandic missile submarines.

Even as this German air armada comes in, the British are coming in over the North Sea. An attack force of 2 F4G wings, 2 Buccaneer bomb wings, and 1 Buccaneer Wild Weasel Wing (204 aircraft) supported by tankers leads the way for 2 C130 wings carrying a brigade each of Paratroopers and Special Air Service Commandos.

Meanwhile, the Royal Navy races toward the Norwegian coast at high speed even transports and warships leave Edinburgh for a high speed run toward Norway.

The Scandic Union has only 4 wings of Mig 23s and 1 wing of Mig25s available (about 250 fighters) to defend against the armada, and they immediately begin to scramble.

The air assault is timed so that the Germans appear on radar first, leaving the way open in theory for the British to get in on a relatively undefended flank.

The veteran Scandic pilots inflict fearful losses on the Germans, but there are simply too many German interceptors and although the Mig23 is a better air superiority fighter, and the Scandics kill 2 or more fighters for every one they lose, they are overwhelmed. A Mig 25 wing manages to sidestep the battle and inflict heavy losses on German bombers, but not enough. The German bombers get in and destroy 2 Scandic flak brigades and suppress the others, opening the way for their paratroopers. German carrier aircraft hit Scandic bomber bases, and wreck it on the ground. The German paradrops however do not go well, with 3 brigades scattered to the point of ineffectiveness, and 3 others badly disorganized but able to function.

Even as the surviving German and Scandic aircraft are landing, the British come in. Their bombers smash remaining flak units, clearing the way for nearly perfect drops for the SAS and Paratroopers which seize Bergen and Stavanger intact including the port facilities. This allows British helicopter units and Royal Marines and Gurkha light infantry to be brought across. The Scandics, with only a single mechanized division in the Oslo area, manage to counterattack by the end of the day, but the British paratroopers and marines hold at Stavanger.

In the Baltic, heavy fighting begins right away as the Germans and CSPS fleets are in close proximity of each other. By stroke of luck, the Germans catch one of the Scandic missile submarines in port and sink it at its moorings before it can launch missiles or even submerge. In the confusion, the Canadian and British Nimrods and Orions manage to reach into the Baltic and by sheer luck (ooc and they had only a 2% chance to do so) find and sink the other Scandic boomer (ooc slang for nuclear powered ballistic missile submarine). Both sides suffer severe losses in what is nearly a point blank struggle, especially when the Scandics begin using tactical nuclear warheads and the British Nimrod that sinks the Scandic boomer uses them as well. Soon both sides return to port having shot off their entire ammunition supply in mere hours.

Meanwhile, German troops cross into Denmark with 2 armored divisions, 2 mechanized divisions, 1 artillery group, and 2 flak groups. A much larger invasion of Poland also happens at this time, involving out of Germany 4 armored divisions, 4 mechanized divisions, 2 artillery groups, 4 flak groups and out of Czechslovakia 2 armored divisions, 2 mechanized infantry divisions, 3 flak groups, 1 artillery group and 1 HQ drives. Supporting this attack are 3 Ta202 fighter wings. Yet another invasion occurs as German troops out of Hungary invade the Ukraine with 2 armored divisions, 2 mechanized divisions, 3 flak groups, 1 artillery group and 1 HQ, catching the Polish forces facing the French on the flank.

Meanwhile, the Germans cross the Danish border, and the Poles and Danes fight hard to keep them back. Fighting behind and in fixed fortifications, the Poles and Danes inflict staggering losses on the Germans and the German attack bogs down and fails.

The destruction of Hamburg and Kiel directly behind the front completely eliminates supply and support elements, leaving the German combat forces in trouble.

Losses in Fighting in Baltic and Scandinavia
German losses: 9 Ta 202, 2 J202, 1 heavy carrier air wing, 4 pilots, 2 heavy cruisers sunk, 1 light carrier sunk, 7 destroyers sunk, 1 heavy carrier sunk, 10 missile boats destroyed, 4 mechanized brigades, 1 parachute brigade
Scandic losses: 4 Mig 23, 2 Tu22, 1 Tu 95, 1 ETu95, 3 pilots, 1 heavy cruiser sunk, 1 SSN7 sunk, 1 AA cruiser sunk, 1 nuclear AA cruiser damaged, 2 nuclear powered destroyers sunk, 2 destroyers sunk, 2 destroyers damaged, 1 SSBN sunk in port, 1 SSBN sunk on patrol, 1infantry brigade
Polish losses: 1 heavy carrier sunk, 1 destroyer sunk, 2 destroyers damaged, 1 infantry brigade

Poland
CSPS forces
Facing the Germans from the north
1 mechanized division (3 brigades)
Facing the Germans from the west and south
1 mechanized division (3 brigades)
Facing the French and Germans
5 armored divisions (11 armored brigades), 3 mechanized divisions (8 mechanized brigades)
air defenses
8 flak brigades, 9 Mig 23 wings

German invasion force north
2 armored divisions (6 armored brigades), 2 mechanized divisions (6 mechanized brigades), 2 flak brigades, 1 artillery brigade
German invasion force south and west
4 armored divisions (12 armored brigades), 4 mechanized divisions (12 mechanized brigades), 6 flak brigades, 2 artillery brigades, 1 HQ
German flanking force Rumanian border
2 armored divisions (12 armored brigades), 2 mechanized divisions (12 mechanized brigades), 4 flak brigades, 1 artillery brigade, 1 HQ

French attack force
1 HQ, 1 airborne brigade, 2 armored divisions, 1 infantry corps, (6 armored brigades, 6 infantry brigades, 1 airborne brigade)
4 Mirage F1, 1 Vulcan

As reports come in of the massive German attack, the Polish government orders nuclear release of its tactical nuclear weapons for commanders to use as they see fit. Each division has a tactical missile battalion of 6 launchers each with 20 kiloton warheads. In addition, air defense units have nuclear tipped SAMs, and the Migs can carry 50 kiloton weapons. The Poles attack at once even as German and French troops attack their positions.

In the north, nuclear strikes destroy 2 German flak brigades and 1 artillery brigade, while veteran Mig pilots shoot down Ta202s and clear the way for another wing to hit and destroy 2 mechanized brigades in the followup echelon. Fierce defensive fire from the veteran Polish mechanized infantry destroys 3 German armored brigades before sheer weight of numbers pushes the Poles back from their border positions.

In the south and west, the odds are much longer, but Polish missiles destroy a German flak brigade, while Migs shoot down German Ta202s at great cost, clearing the way for 4 more to attack in spite of heavy flak defenses. The strikes that get through however destroy the German HQ in this sector, as well as 2 artillery brigades and 3 mechanized brigades. Polish losses are heavy in the air however, as 2 more. Polish defensive fire is less effective in this sector because of the massive numbers and all 3 Polish brigades are overrun and destroyed, clearing the way to advance on Warsaw.

The French join in on the German attack, and send their bombers and fighter bombers to take out the Polish airfields. The French are met by nuclear tipped SAMs this time, much to their surprise, which costs them a Vulcan wing and Mirage V wing, but they manage to plaster Polish airfields in spite of severe losses, catching large numbers of Polish fighters on the ground as they refuel and rearm.

Meanwhile on the front, the Poles leave their mechanized infantry to fight the French and turn to fight the Germans with their armor. Nuclear strikes inflict severe damage on the Germans, destroying 10 mechanized brigades in the second echelon while the veteran Polish armor inflicts shattering losses on the German 9 armored brigades in the first echelon. Although inexperienced, the Germans are still effective, destroying 3 Polish armored brigades in reply, but the catastrophic losses throw the Germans completely back into Hungary, badly mauled and out of the war for now. Meanwhile, along the French front, the Poles use their missiles to blast a sizeable hole in the French line by targeting French infantry. In this fashion, 4 French infantry brigades are wiped out, while in encounter battles, French armor and Polish mechanized brigades fight confused actions all along the border. Both sides lose 2 brigades worth of troops before pulling back to their original lines.

Losses
Polish: 7 Mig 23, 4 pilots, 5 mechanized brigades
German: 4 Ta202, 4 pilots, 1 HQ, 3 flak brigades, 3 artillery brigades, 15 mechanized brigades, 12 armored brigades
French: 4 infantry brigades, 2 armored brigades, 1 Mirage V wing, 1 Vulcan Wing, 2 pilots

Nuclear detonations in lightly inhabited areas of Prussia and Silesia as well as Hungary and parts of the border areas of the Ukraine. Military casualties are especially heavy, over 75,000 civilian and military German dead from the nuclear strikes (mostly military) and another 130,000 wounded. These are low yield weapons so radiation effects are minimal except in the blast zone. Half the wounded will die within 12 months from radiation. Hungary suffers 10,000 civilian dead and a similar number wounded, as does the Ukraine. French loses 10,000 dead and 10,000 wounded, all military, from nuclear strikes.

In addition to the heavy losses suffered on the front, the Germans suffer severely with the destruction of much of Germany due to the Scandic strategic nuclear strikes.

Northern Russia
Upon word of the German invasion, the Poles and Scandic troops launch immediate attacks to cripple the Russians and nuclear release is given. The Poles and Scandics have 7 rocket battalions in the area, and missiles destroy 2 Canadian mechanized brigades and 6 Russian mechanized brigades. Only the fact that the Russians and Canadians are widely dispersed prevents worse damage. The attack that follows destroys another Canadian brigade and throws the Russians into full retreat, but the Canadians take a Scandic brigade with them, while the Russians destroy 2 Polish armored brigades. Meanwhile, the Scandics and Poles throw their aircraft at Russian, Canadian and Flying Tiger airfields, while the Russians, who have tactical nuclear weapons they obtained from American prepositioned stocks seized earlier in the war, reply in kind. In the attacks that follow, the Scandic and Polish air forces on this front are wiped out completely, while Scandic and Polish nuclear strikes inflict similar devastating losses on the Canadians and Russians (ooc pains are taken not to nuke the Flying Tigers just in case the Americans take offense and nuke back). With the Russians driven back, the Scandics take over the line so the Poles can be shifted west to deal with the Germans.

Losses:
Canadian: 3 mechanized brigades, 2 F4G, 2 pilots, 10,000 killed, 5,000 wounded in nuclear strikes
Flying Tigers: 2 F4G, 1 pilot
Russian: 6 mechanized brigades, 2 armored brigades, 7 Kfir, 2 Su 22, 1 F105, 9 pilots, 100,000 killed, 50,000 wounded by nuclear strikes, plus another 150,000 Russian civilians killed and the same number wounded.
Poles: 2 armored brigades, 2 Mig 23, 2 Draken, 2 Tu16, 1 KC97, 7 pilots, 30,000 killed by nuclear strikes, another 15,000 wounded
Scandics: 1 armored brigade, 2 Mig 23, 2 Draken, 1 Tu95,1 KC97, 6 pilots, 30,000 killed by nuclear strikes, another 15,000 wounded

The Ukraine
Word of the German entry of the war angers the Ukrainians who give orders for the release of nuclear weapons and to attack the allies immediately.

In the far south, the Ukrainians attack the Rumanians with 1 missile battalion plus nuclear shells from an artillery group, wiping out most of 2 Rumanian armored divisions and then attacking with an armored division and attack helicopter wing, destroying the remnants and clearing the way to Odessa. North of that, the Ukrainians attack the Greeks with an armored division and a missile battalion, but in spite of heavy losses, the Greeks hold in place and inflict serious losses on the Ukrainians.

The British, along with the Burgundians, Dutch and Belgians are next, and here the Ukrainians have 3 mechanized divisions, 1 artillery group and 2 attack helicopter wings. However, the British have tactical nuclear weapons and are also very well deployed, and nuclear strikes inflict minimal losses on the British, and far less damage then could have been achieved on the Dutch, Belgians and Burgundians. Each of those nations loses a brigade (the entire Dutch contribution in this case) but the British fire back, destroying the bulk of the Ukrainian attack force and then finishing the job with an all out conventional attack. This opens a wide hole in the Ukrainian line which has ceased to exist in this sector.

Next are the Italians, who the Ukrainians are almost as angry at as they are at the Rumanians. 3 Mechanized divisions attack here, with another artillery brigade, and an entire Italian mechanized division is wiped out in place. Followup Ukrainian attacks then destroy another one but effective Italian counterattacks restore the line and throw the Ukrainians back with heavy losses in return.

In the north, Ukrainians attack the Yugoslavs with 2 attack helicopter wings and 2 armored divisions, destroying an infantry corps and then driving in and routing the another. Strong Yugoslav counterattacks however drive the Ukrainians back again with heavy losses, and the front remains where it started. In the air, the Allied and Ukrainian air force each go after each others throats with tactical nuclear weapons. The entire Ukrainian air force is wiped out, along with its bases, but it inflicts staggering losses in return.

Losses
Rumanian: 6 armored brigades
Greek: 1 mechanized brigade
British: no brigade sized units
Belgians: 1 mechanized brigade, 1 F4G, 1 pilot
Dutch: 1 mechanized brigade, 1 F4G, 1 pilot
Burgundians: 1 mechanized brigade, 1 F4G, 1 pilot
Italians: 6 mechanized brigades, 1 F4G
Yugoslavs: 8 infantry brigades, 2 Mirage F1, 2 pilots
Ukrainians: 4 armored brigades, 14 mechanized brigades, 1 artillery group, 3 attack helicopter wings, 2 pilots, 6 Mig23s, 1 MiG 25, 2 Tu 22, 2 ETU95, 11 pilots

Along the long line facing the Russians in the east, the Poles attack with everything they have, hoping to cripple the Russians and prevent them from causing mischief. The Russians are well dispersed but suffer serious damage from nuclear strikes but hold in the face of Polish attacks and push them back with serious losses on both sides.

Losses
Russian. 9 mechanized brigades,
Poles 5 armored brigades, 1 infantry brigade

in addition, the entire Russian garrison of Archangel is lost with the destruction of that city through a Scandic strategic nuclear strike

OOC: GB, The Burgundians are down to 2 brigades, Belgiumonly 1 and the French lost 4 infantry brigades in the Pole attack. I'll edit in CSPS numbers here. As for the nuclear thing up north, wouldn't mind talking to you first.

they got some replacements too

Talk begins in the upper circles of the government about an unconditional surrender to the Brits after it is realized nothing can stop the British invasion from siezing control of the whole Scandic Union.

Field Marshall Sir Richard Hull, Chief of the Defence Staff (head of all arms of British forces), co-operating with the Prime Minister, Harold Wilson, and the chiefs of the services ( First Sea Lord, the Chief of the Imperial General Staff and the Chief of the Air Staff) begins discussions with the Scandic leaders regarding an unconditional surrender.

It is noted that Britain would be willing to accept the surrender of Scandic forces, but can do nothing until the military leaders of the other allied forces are consulted. Until that time Britain has no choice but to continue the military invasion of Scandinavia, though Scandic troops will be well looked after if they chose to surrender on the spot to British forces and be treated as PoWs. A surrender would be much better recieved if confirmation that SU missile sites are all out of action or have stood down is received, British sites would gladly stand down once confirmation is forthcoming.

Until a surrender can be discussed with other allied nations the British army will continue to occupy Scandic territory and will expand its occupation as much as militarily possible, treating all civilians and non-combatants with such rights as accorded by international law.

The following speech is given by Prime Minister Paul Laurentiu.

"We have recently recieved an ultimatum from the government of the Scandic Union. They demand that we declare peace and pull out of this war, or that they will unleash their remaining nuclear arsenal against Rumania. Our answer is a resounding rejection of this threat. We will not abandon our allies. We will not pause in our efforts. We did not abandon our comrades in the Third World War, nor will we abandon them now.

In the Interest of Public Saftey, all non-essential civilian personnel are to be evacuated from major cities. Military personnel and those essential to the war effort must stay at their posts and continue the fight. We have the utmost confidence in our allies and in our brave fighting men. We will not falter, we will not fail. We shall fight the enemy until there is no one left to lift a weapon or detonate a bomb. "

"The threat of nuclear holcaust in our own tiny country is indeed frightening. But we must not be cowed by the scandics. I ask that our allies help us in our dark tiems by accepting civilians into their countries, at least until this threat of nuclear anhiliation passes over us. The government will remain in Rumania, in an undisclosed location. I salute our comrades and I salute our brave fighting men. Trust in God and righteousness shall prevail."

Civilian evacuation begins immediately, streams of refugees heading towards Hungary, Bulgaria, and Yugoslavia. All personel essential to the continuation of the war effort must remain in Rumania.

Damage assessment – Germany
Germany is hit by a total of 39 200 kiloton warheads, all of which were airbursts. In all, 7.8 megatons. Because of the dense population of Germany, even targets such as airfields frequently have villages and towns nearby. In all, 8 million people died immediately from the attack, with another 4 million seriously injured and who will die within 60 days of the attack from radiation, blast and burn injuries. In addition, the attack inflicted severe damage to the Luftwaffe and Landwehr, as airbases were specifically targeted and the Landwehr was mobilizing still at the time of the attack. In addition to the civilian casualties, Germany suffered 500,000 military dead or dying. The cities of Hamburg, Kiel, Lubeck, Posen, Breslau, Bremen, Wilhemshaven, Konigsburg, Gydania, Essen, Dusselforf, and Munster have been leveled and are burning (all production centers destroyed). Fires are also burning in the suburbs of Berlin, Danzig, Vienna, Munich,Stettin, Leipzig and Frankfurt. The British and German joint ESA space launch facility at Heligoland has also been completely destroyed.

This doesn’t include the severe losses suffered in the fighting in Poland, Denmark, Finland and Sweden or in the Baltic which are rapidly approaching 1 million as well (with nearly 200,000 dead).

Overall, Germany suffered a severe blow, but a survivable one. However, operations against the Scandic Union, Poland and Ukraine are severely disrupted. The invasion of the Ukraine was completely wiped out by a strong Polish counterattack, while the invasions of northern and western Poland were severely disrupted. The invasion of Denmark was halted in its tracks, and then the entire force disintegrated because of heavy battle field losses and the complete destruction of its support and logistics chain.

Damage assessment – Russia
The city of Archangel and surrounding military airfields was hit by 5 x 200 kiloton weapons and was completely destroyed. Nearly 300,000 people died, and almost none of the city dwellers or 50,000 military personnel in the area survive. A couple of brigades relatively nearby are unaffected, although their logistics are wrecked.

Radiation is relatively light, and mostly localized as all detonations are airburst, but population growth in Germany, Poland, Czechslovakia, Hungary and the Ukraine is reduced to 1% for the next decade.

Surviving German forces November 2
Reichswehr
Landwehr (all garrison units now committed to disaster relief)
1x Highly Trained Garrison-Dortmund
1x Highly Trained Garrison-Koln
1x Highly Trained Garrison-Bonn
1x Highly Trained Garrison-Hannover
1x Highly Trained Garrison-Berlin
1x Highly Trained Garrison-Nuremburg
1x Highly Trained Garrison-Frankfurt
1x Highly Trained Garrison-Mainz
1x Highly Trained Garrison-Mannheim
1x Highly Trained Garrison-Leipzig
1x Highly Trained Garrison-Dresden
1x Highly Trained Garrison-Karlsruhe
1x Highly Trained Garrison-Saarbrucken
1x Highly Trained Garrison-Stuttgart
1x Highly Trained Garrison-Munich
1x Highly Trained Garrison-Salzburg
1x Highly Trained Garrison-Vienna
1x Highly Trained Garrison-Karlsbad
1x Highly Trained Garrison-Stettin
1x Highly Trained Garrison-Innsbruck
1x Highly Trained Garrison-Magdeburg
1x Highly Trained Garrison-Heidelburg

Luftwaffe
5 x TA 202, 1 x J22 Oro bomber, 1 x D500 transport, 7 pilots (various emergency airfields and civilian airports and remaining military airfields)

Foreign Deployments
northern Sweden
2 parachute brigades, 1 special forces brigade, 2 cargo helicopter units

north Poland
2 armored divisions (3 armored brigades), 2 mechanized divisions (4 mechanized brigades)

east and southeast Poland
German invasion force south and west
4 armored divisions (12 armored brigades), 4 mechanized divisions (9 mechanized brigades), 6 flak brigades,

Syria
3 mechanized divisions, 4 flak brigades, 3 armored divisions,

Egypt
6 flak brigades, 1 armored division, 1 mechanized division





Kaiserlich Marine
North Sea Fleet
3 CVAN, 3 heavy cruisers, 18 destroyers, 3 heavy air wings, 10 SSK

Baltic Fleet
11 destroyers, 5 SSK, 9 missile boats

Handelsmarine
12,500,000 tons of shipping remain

Kaiserlichnachrichtendienst

10,000 Analysts
Ocean Trawlers
Improved Spy Satellite Network

Forces available November 2
Scandic Union
Nuclear forces
2 3rd generation ICBMs, 1 Garrison unit at Kiel (3 infantry brigades, 1 air defense brigade)
4 flak (home defense Stockholm, Trondheim, Copenhagen, Kiel), 1 mech arty, 1 mech division (Oslo),
Available aircraft: 3 Mig 23 wings, 1 Tu22 wing
Scandic Naval forces: 1 SSN7.5, 2 SSN7, 1 AA cruiser 10 SSKs,
In port (damaged and out of action) 1 AA cruiser, 2 destroyers
Polish forces in Scandic Union: 2 airborne brigades, 2 transport helicopters, 2 attack helicopters (in Finland), 1 infantry corps in Denmark (5 brigades), 1 mechanized division in Trondheim
Polish naval forces:
1 heavy cruiser, 3 DDG, 1 SSN, 5 SSK7, (1 DDG in port damaged)

Northern Front (Pskov / Novgorad front)
Scandic: 1 HQ, 2 armored brigades, 1 mechanized brigade, 3 mechanized artillery groups, 3 gunship units,
1 Scandic garrison unit, 1 gunship unit at Petrograd
Polish: 1 HQ, 10 armored brigades,

Eastern (watching the Russians from Tula to Rostov)
Polish: 1 HQ, 7 armored brigades, 7 infantry brigades, 2 artillery groups,

Western (watching Allies from Bryansk to Odessa)
Ukrainian 6 mechanized brigades, 28 armored brigades, 2 artillery groups, 2 HQs, 2 flak groups, 5 attack helicopter units

Rear area
Garrisons: 1 garrison unit (3 infantry brigades, 3 flak brigades each) at Kiev, Sevestapol, Dneiperpetrovsk
Ukrainian Navy: 3 SSN7

Polish Home Defenses
4 Mig 23,
1 HQ, 23 armored brigades, 15 mech brigades,
8 flak (guarding cities)

Various Allied Forces in Europe November 2 1964
British Forces
G-I-UK Gap and North Atlantic
Canadian forces
1 P3 Orion maritime patrol wing (operating out of Iceland)
(US still has 1 infantry division and a fighter wing guarding Iceland)
6 Canadian Frigates (escorting convoys)
2 escort carriers, 2 RN destroyrs, 4 RN frigates (escorting convoys)
(US has 10 SSNs covering the G-I-UK gap looking for Scandic SSNs that try to penetrate… none are, but they don’t know that. Also 1 US P3 Orion wing out of Iceland and Greenland)
10 nuclear powered ballistic missile submarines (operating in the Arctic)

North Sea
RN 6 heavy cruisers, 9 light cruisers, 20 destroyers (operating out of Yarmouth)
9 RN SSNs
2 RN fleet carrier battlegroups each with 1 fleet carrier, 1 light air wing, 1 escort cruiser, 4 destroyers, 2 frigates
2 RN hunter killer ASW groups each with 1 light carrier, 1 ASW air wing, 1 escort cruiser, 2 destroyers, 2 frigates,

Southern Norway
SAS brigade, Ghurkha brigade, Marine Brigade, Parachute Brigade, 3 gunship units, 3 cargo helicopter units, 3 transport helicopter units, 3 mechanized divisions, 2 flak brigades, 1 artillery group, 1 Canadian mechanized division

Northern Sweden
2 German parachute brigades, 1 German special forces brigade

Home Defenses and forces available for deployment
RAF
1 Tornado Air defense version interceptor wings, 2 F4G fighter wings, 1 RAAF F4G fighter wing, 1 Harrier fighter bomber wing, 1 AEW wing, 2 Tanker wings, 2 Transport wings, 3 Buccaneer bomber units, 1 Nimrod ASW unit
British Army
2 flak groups

British nuclear forces
in addition to Submarines (5 with 18 missiles, 5 with 12 missiles)

150 2nd generation solid fueled ICBMs (Minuteman III type)
100 3rd generation liquid fueled ICBMs (Titan III type)
240 3rd generation solid fueled IRBMs (Polaris III type)
plus FNS nuclear forces

Russian forces
Arctic Front
1st Parachute brigade, 2nd Parachute brigade

Fortress Moscow
4 infantry brigades, 2 flak units

Northern front (facing Poles and Scandics)
1st Armored Corps (consists of 6 armored brigades, 1 flak unit)
2nd Infantry corps (consists of 6 infantry brigades, 1 flak unit )
1 HQ unit

Combined Air Force
Russian: 1 Yak 28 fighter bomber units, 1 Su 22 fighter bomber units, 3 F105 light bomber units, 3 Kfir fighter bomber units, 1 RA22 recon unit, 1 EA22 AEW unit,
Flying Tigers: 1 F105, 1 WF105, 1 KC135, 2 attack helicopter unit, 2 cargo helicopter unit, 1 transport helicopter unit,
Canadian Air Force: 1 C130 transport unit, 2 airborne brigades,

Southern line (facing Poles from Tula to Rostov
15 mechanized brigades 10th – 17th mechanized divisions, 33rd mechanized divisions,)

Kazakhstan
4 militia units

Siberia
5 flak units, 5 militia units (guarding cities and ports)

10 1st generation SSNs at Petropovlavsk (operating in the North Pacific)

Hungarian Forces
2 mechanized infantry divisions (6 brigades), 1 Ta202 wing

Czech forces
4 mechanized infantry divisions (12 brigades), 2 Ta202 wings


French forces (facing the Poles on Rumanian border)
1 HQ, 1 airborne brigade, 2 armored divisions, 1 infantry corps, (2 armored brigades, 2 infantry brigades, 1 airborne brigade)
3 Mirage F1,

Yugoslav forces
1 infantry corps (occupation duty, Turkey)
2 infantry corps, 2 armored divisions, 1 HQ (invasion force Ukraine, Yugoslav 1st Army)(4 infantry brigades, 6 armored brigades)

Albanian forces
3 light infantry brigades (occupation duty, Turkey)

Greek forces
3 mechanized brigades, 3 Mirage F1

British forces
4 armored divisions, 2 mechanized divisions, 1 HQ (10 armored brigades, 12 mechanized brigades), 2 Harrier fighter bomber units, 4 Vulcan bomber units, 4 tanker units

Burgundian forces
1 mechanized division (2 mechanized brigades),

Belgian forces
1 mechanized division (2 mechanized brigades),

Italian forces
6 armored brigades, 1 F4G unit

American Intervention Force
8 B52G wings, 2 B52D wings, 4 B52C wings, 14 tanker wings, 4 FB111 wings, 4 C5A wings, 8 C141 Wings, 4 special operations wings, 12 brigades paratroopers (82nd, 101st, 11th and 17th Airborne), 4 Special Operations Brigades (75th Rangers, 1st, 5th, 7th Special Forces groups) plus a squadron of B58 Hustlers for a one time mission

ooc
forces listed above are either as stated effective November 2, or will be there soon enough

Within an hour of the Scandic nuclear strikes on Russia and Germany, the United States government decides to use its last few days to end this war.

Moorer and Rockerfeller order a limited nuclear strike against remaining Scandic nuclear missiles. After careful analysis by satellites and SR71s, the USAF is able to identify the remaining missile silos that the Scandic Union possess. Missile strikes are deemed to chancy, so a squadron of B58 Hustlers is given the mission.

Destroy those silos before they launch.

Streaking over the North Pole at Mach 2, they drop down to low level before they reach Scandic radar range near the Norwegian Lappland coast. Racing over the mountains along the coast and then dropping down to tree top height over the northern forests, they reach the targets in the early night hours and drop their 1 megaton bombs on 12 known or suspected operational silos before turning and running for home.

The mission is a success

ooc
Poland also losses an airborne brigade, a transport helicopter wing, and the Germans lose a parachute brigades worth of POWs who are in the area.

With the Scandic air defenses pointed west toward the British and south toward the Germans, the Americans are able to get in and out easily. Tactics used are historical incidently. US gave up high level bombing after Gary Powers got shot down in real life and early on in this RP once SAMs became common along with high altitude interceptors

The morning of November 2 sees a massive armada of USAF bombers and transports flying over Alaska and then over the pole to Iceland or targets in the Scandic Union and Russia.

US bombers, loaded with conventional bombs, intend to help the Russians and force an end to this war before things get any worse.

Already experts in the US are forecasting that a drought may last for at least 5 years, and nuclear autumn conditions for 1965 in addition to the harsh year so far.

OOC: Ok you want to starve the Northern Hemisphere to death why GB? Seriously what I said before started as a joke. Now the truth is that those in the Southern Hemisphere will be all that's left the way nukes keep getting used with abandon.

Twilight War
November 2 – 9
The Americans enter the war, unofficially, calling their intervention a peace making mission. They start by launching an attack at the remnants of the Scandic Unions nuclear arsenal on November 1, mere hours after missiles have wrecked much of Germany.

American bombers and transports are already flying across Canada north toward the Pole even as the squadron of B58 Hustlers is crossing the other direction for home.

Norway
British aircraft pound the Scandic air force to pieces in fierce battles that result in the destruction of the last vestiges of Scandic air power. Scandic air attacks with the remnants of their bomber force are fended off at the cost of damage to yet another British carrier but by November 3, the Scandic Air Force has ceased to exist at the cost of an RAF Buccaneer wing, and F4G fighter wing. Meanwhile, the RN brings 3 British and 1 Canadian mechanized divisions into the ports of Bergen and Stavanger, while American B52s (2 wings) pound the Scandic mechanized forces to pieces with a series of Arclight strikes (ooc huge quantities of conventional bombs dropped at once). By November 5, the British have secured all of southern Norway and are advancing all out across southern Sweden toward Stockholm. A last ditch effort to defend the capital is brushed aside, and British forces enter Stockholm on November 9, lead by the 51st Highland Division.

Meanwhile, German paratroopers are kept supplied by American, British and German transport aircraft and they march to Narvik, taking that undefended city by November 7. Only 9,000 of the 40,000 German paratroopers and commandos who parachuted into the Scandic Union in their desperate mission have survived and most of them are wounded or sick.

Northern Russia
Even as the war comes to a climax in Norway, another act goes on in northern Russia. American B52s pound the Scandic and Polish positions along the Novgorod / Pskov line, destroying Headquarters units, artillery brigades and demolishing front line positions and wrecking 4 Scandic and 6 Polish brigades. By November 5, the Russians launch their attack, overrunning the survivors, bypassing both cities and driving full speed for Petrograd. An attempt by the Poles to counterattack is wrecked by more B52 strikes, heavily supported by American FB111s operating from Russian airfields and by November 8 the Russians are nearing the city. Meanwhile, on November 7, the Americans conduct a massive airborne assault, even bigger then the British and German assault on November 1. American EFB111 Ravens suppress the Scandic air defenses while C5s and C141s and C123s and CH53 helicopters bring in 12 brigades from 4 airborne divisions, and leading the attack are 3 Special Forces Groups and the Ranger Regiment. The assault is directly on Petrograd, and in bitter fighting, they take the city at the cost of 4 parachute brigades wrecked but destroying the garrison unit defending the city and forcing the survivors to surrender. Russian and American troops link up 24 miles south of the city on November 9.

OOC: Ok you want to starve the Northern Hemisphere to death why GB? Seriously what I said before started as a joke. Now the truth is that those in the Southern Hemisphere will be all that's left the way nukes keep getting used with abandon.

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I am getting tired of OOC posts like this in the IC threads... keep them in the MAIN THREAD PLEASE. Its also highly useful if you wait to see what happens before commenting

Ukraine and Southern Russia November 2 -9
In the Ukraine, the British decide that although their allies are in tatters, they can force an end to the war by taking Kiev, a mere 100 miles away. The British, joined in by the Italians throw every plane they have at Ukrainian attack helicopter bases, wiping them out one by one while British heavy bombers pound anything that moves. By November 5, the Ukrainians have lost their helicopter support, and the British attack. Meanwhile, the Italians take over the front formerly held by the battered Rumanian and Greek army. New forces reach the front from Czechoslovakia and Hungary, both of which suffered radioactive fallout from the strikes on Germany and now find themselves entering the war to force it to an end. They take over more of the front, allowing the British to focus all of their strength on the attack. On November 6, a massive battle begins near Bila Tsarlova and goes on for 2 days. The British wreck 12 Ukrainian armored brigades and punch a huge hole in the line and charge through (British losses 2 armored, 4 mechanized brigades). By November 9 they have reached the suburbs of Kiev and the entire Ukrainian Army is in full retreat.

Meanwhile, the Poles and Russians glare at each other and each side conducts deep penetration raids that serve little purpose other then to inflict a little more damage on each other. The huge front is completely indefensible with the forces that remain, and each side can only hold strong points and patrol the gaps between them. Each side loses another brigade worth of troops but accomplishes nothing of note.

The UIR is ready to accept 10 million Chinese citizens unti, China can feed them.

An interim Pakistani government was set up in Karachi (OOC: pretty much a puppet govt.) to yhandle Pakistani affairs. The UIR legislative capital was moved to Kabul, while the judicial and executive branches remained in Teheran (OOC: they learned the mistake with Washington, which was everyone was there)

Poland Nov 2 - 9
The Polish government realizes that the end is coming soon. Their only chance is to force the Germans to back off, and then ask for status quo ante bellum from the other allies. After all, Poland didn’t attack Greece, or destroy Egypt. It only used nuclear weapons on the battlefield and no more then necessary. The Germans though, they needed their noses rubbed in it. Besides, a lot Poles lived in Germany and those that remained alive after the Scandic nuclear strikes would need protection. The Polish government was deeply angry at his allies. Orders from the CSPS high command to use remaining stocks of Polish tactical nuclear weapons against the Russians were ignored. After all, the Russians weren’t going to be invading Poland. The Germans however, they were invading Poland and it was time to finish them. Orders were sent for the fleet to cooperate with the Scandics in destroying the German fleet that remained but any other instructions were to be approved by the Polish government. Meanwhile, a holding force would remain to keep the Russians and French off Poland’s back while it dealt harshly with the Germans.

6 mechanized brigades were kept along the border to hold the French in check. The rest of the Army, 8 armored divisions and 4 mechanized divisions, would attack and destroy the Germans and drive on Berlin.

Meanwhile, the German Army was reeling in shock. In a day, the Reichsweer had been bloodily and totally repulsed and destroyed in two places, and seriously mauled in two others. Although the paratroopers and commandos had covered themselves in glory, they were as out of the war now as if they were on the Moon, as were forces in Syria and Egypt. News from the Fatherland wasn’t good either, and everyone in the Army knew what the bright flashes on the eastern horizon in the direction of Breslau meant, as well as the bright flashes in the direction of Konigsberg. The ominous lack of news was deeply demoralizing as well. But orders were orders, and the Reichsweer prepared for its assault on the Poles.

The Poles don’t wait to be attacked however, and using their last tactical nuclear weapons, they hit the Germans with missiles and bombs. The Germans lose their entire northern attack force as it is obliterated by thermonuclear hell, and with their flanks secure, the Poles attack the German central army. The veteran Polish troops are simply more experienced and as well trained as the Germans, and have as good equipment but decisively, they have more experienced commanders. They smash the German line, destroying 10 armored brigades and a mechanized brigade, and blowing the German front wide open at the cost of 1 armored and 3 mechanized brigades (ooc and really good dice rolls by the Poles and below average rolls by the Germans). By November 5, the Poles are driving on the Oder River, while surviving German troops are pushed to the north or south out of the way. On November 9, the Poles cross the Oder with 3 mechanized and 3 armored brigades and are within 40 miles of the center of Berlin, with only garrison troops in front of them.

Meanwhile, in Denmark, the Poles bypass the burning German portion of Kiel and push south bypassing the burning city of Hamburg and thoroughly alarming the German government. A Dutch division moves up and the Poles and Dutch agree to a de facto (and very unofficial) cease fire as long as the Poles don’t push any further south.

Satisfied, the Poles then ask the British, Americans, Irish and UN for a UN brokered cease fire. The Poles want return to the status quo with Poland keeping its borders as they are now and will take in any ethnic Poles or Balts who wish to leave Germany. Poland demands no reparations and will not pay any. Poland also agrees to the UN proposal calling for the banning of ballistic missiles with a range of over 50 miles.

War at Sea November 2 – 9
The French, Italian and British fleets are now patrolling the Black Sea after the mines are finally cleared out of the Dardenelles at the end of October. By November 3, the last remnants of the Ukrainian Navy, three attack submarines, have been hunted down and sunk by Allied ASW helicopters and patrol aircraft.

In the Baltic, the Polish and Scandic Navies pursue the German fleet and in a final clash, sink all that remains at the cost of another Scandic AA cruiser and 2 Polish destroyers. Attempts to enter the North Sea however are blocked by heavy British laid minefields (ooc laid by patrol aircraft). With their country falling apart, the Scandic fleet retires to Copenhagen to help defend it, while the Poles retire to Riga.

November 10
Polish forces begin withdrawing from the front they hold in the east against the Russians. Meanwhile, the Ukrainians, with the British knocking on the door of Kiev, the Poles seeking a peace, and the Scandic Union all but conquered, ask for terms and offer an immediate cease fire. The offer is made via the Japanese, Irish, Portuguese and Kurdistan.

Meanwhile, the cities of Novgorod and Pskov, long since abandoned by the civilian population, both dissappear in 1 megaton explosions as Russian recon units enter those 2 cities. Several hundred Russian soldiers are killed and a few thousand civilians. The 2 detonations, both ground bursts, add yet more fall out to the upper atmosphere and still more dust.

At total of 30 megatons have been used in this part of the war, spread over a wide area.

Meanwhile in the US, and in Dublin, climatologists worry.

The UIR is ready to accept 10 million Chinese citizens unti, China can feed them.

An interim Pakistani government was set up in Karachi (OOC: pretty much a puppet govt.) to yhandle Pakistani affairs. The UIR legislative capital was moved to Kabul, while the judicial and executive branches remained in Teheran (OOC: they learned the mistake with Washington, which was everyone was there)

OOC: Completely unrelated and months overdue, but the original capital of the UIR was Qom. It still should be, too, but I guess Warta Endor never realised it.

OOC: TLS, put it in the OOC thread!
IC:

THe Japanese government is always happy to end the bloodshed and wil gladly broker a cease-fire

Bulgaria has now declared with the British and the French for involvement in the war at the fullest level... And is also willing to support a possible ban on nuclear warfare.

Bulgaria has now declared with the British and the French for involvement in the war at the fullest level... And is also willing to support a possible ban on nuclear warfare.

The Burgundian Prime Minister is quoted "Well, better late then never I suppose."

The Scandic Union officially asks Britain to accept its surrender. Before it surrenders it asks the British to accept both the Polish and Ukrainian offers and asks the British to gaurantee Denmark will not be occupied by the Germans(or any other part of Scandinavia, ditto the Russians) to insure the safety of our people.

France secretly and mildly recommends its allies to consider Poland's Offer only, in light of the circumstances of their involvement and current circumstances. In addition to popular desire for a swift end to further hostilities.

However if the majority of the allies wish to continue, we shall carry on,

(OOC: after all after getting rid of the Ukraine we'll be able to concentrate on Poland.)

But this does not mean by all accounts, that the Ukrainian offer will be acceptable, nothing short of an uncoditional surrender will be accepted from them.

OOC: I recommend after this war is finished we handle post-war issues (occupation, mandates,reparations and such) on a seperate thread, a Dublin Conference maybe or a Minsk Conference? Where we would handle everything case-by-case starting with Turkey and ending with the SU.

Following a TG conversation with Parthini:

Britain immediately accepts the unconditional SU surrender and begins to start the occupation of the SU, captured PoWs of all ranks being allowed to work on clearing the damage in the cities if they so wish, only other ranks being compelled to do so (as governed by international law). Terms supported and instigated by the Germans include:

-Finland becomes independant
-Denmark Becomes independant and gives Schleswig-Holstein to Germany
-Begins monetary reparations to Germany
-Occupied post-war by Britain and/or France
-No nuclear weapons at all
-No Airforce (recon aircraft and rescue/coastguard allowed)
-No Navy (a few small missile boat units allowed as coastguard)
-Drops alliance with CSPS
-Replaces destroyed commercial shipping of allied nations
-Germany would like to see the people that ordered the nuclear strike on German cities up before a war crimes tribunal at The Hague, overseen by the UN.

Britain supports most of the above but is willing to enter discussions on some points.

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A cease-fire with the Poles is agreed to and discussion regarding post-war terms begins. The Germans would like:

-Return to pre-war borders
-Combined effort to rebuild damaged cities

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Nothing short of an unconditional surrender with the Ukranians will be discussed. Terms can perhaps be negotiated post-war.

OOC: These are only the initial terms, aren't they? as France we would rather The Independance of Denmark and Finland be handled through referendum, rather than force the thing on them.

Well let's wait untill the war is officially over then we start a new thread.

Following a TG conversation with Parthini:

Britain immediately accepts the unconditional SU surrender and begins to start the occupation of the SU, captured PoWs of all ranks being allowed to work on clearing the damage in the cities if they so wish, only other ranks being compelled to do so (as governed by international law). Terms supported and instigated by the Germans include:

-Finland becomes independant
-Denmark Becomes independant and gives Schleswig-Holstein to Germany
-Begins monetary reparations to Germany
-Occupied post-war by Britain and/or France
-No nuclear weapons at all
-No Airforce (recon aircraft and rescue/coastguard allowed)
-No Navy (a few small missile boat units allowed as coastguard)
-Drops alliance with CSPS
-Replaces destroyed commercial shipping of allied nations
-Germany would like to see the people that ordered the nuclear strike on German cities up before a war crimes tribunal at The Hague, overseen by the UN.

Bold emphasis = mine.

I don't think Finland or Denmark really wants to be independent- after all, Finland was a part of the SU for several decades I believe. It'd be like asking a US state to secede or something like that in RL. The SU protected Denmark aganist Germany for a long while as well.

Also, having no airforce or navy would be the exact same limitations that were put on France post-WW-3 (in E20), and would be like the Versailles Treaty (in RL). We all know how "good" the Versailles Treaty turned out in RL- imagine if a Hitler rose up in the SU in the 1970's or 1980's? Then revenge aganist UK and France just like the RL Hitler did?

Reparations will be difficult at best, given the wrecked global economy. I bet one USD ($1.00 US Dollar) dollar would equal like 1 million Scandic dollars or something. I recall in RL 1920's, one USD could buy as much as 1 trillion German Deustche-marks. Or was it 1 billion? I can't remember but it basically wiped Germany's economy out in RL, making reparations worthless...

Case in point: The SU would have to print like 1 billion of SU dollars to equal 1 British dollar or something now, meaning you'd need 1,000,000,000,000,000,000- or 1 million trillion- SU dollars to pay $1 billion in reparations. This effectively destroys any reparation, considering it would be practically impossible to print 1 million trillion paper currency (the SU most likely doesn't have the paper / timber as well as dye needed to produce that much printed currency) just to pay reparations. Lets not forget the necessity to sustain the SU's basic everyday survival economy (water bills, food bills, electricity bills, heat bills, taxes, etc.) which would mean several more million-trillion paper bills in circulation.

All the other issues should be easily worked out, I think.

Italy quietly informs her allies that Italy feels that breaking up the Scandic Union by force is senseless. Unless political division is enforced with arms, the Scandics would likely re-unite anyway. Furthermore, the area of Schleswig-Hostein has always been Scandic, even before Scandic Unification. Giving said area to Germany would only prompt post-war instability, much as giving St. Petersburg to the SU engendered Scandic-Russian tension. On the other hand, Italy feels strongly that St. Petersburg should be given to the Russians, as it is a traditionally Russian area.

Well, That is why I believe a referendum should be held, as for the millitary restrictions I would support a small navy (One Light Missile Cruiser, Two Destroyers or Frigates and a few Subs) But No Carriers whatsoever.

As for the Airforce I support a Max. of Two Short Range Fighter wings, but no bomber wings, Mig might head back to Russia.

As for Ground I would support Only Garrison Units with a few Reserve Light Infantry and Maybe one resere Infantry divisions.

A Reparation program should be inevetable, but not directly I suppose, bt a huge one nonetheless.

Also a membership in the EEC should be mandatory during occupation and recovery efforts, this includes funding to repair the damaged ESA facility.

Well, That is why I believe a referendum should be held, as for the millitary restrictions I would support a small navy (One Light Missile Cruiser, Two Destroyers or Frigates and a few Subs) But No Carriers whatsoever.

As for the Airforce I support a Max. of Two Short Range Fighter wings, but no bomber wings, Mig might head back to Russia.

As for Ground I would support Only Garrison Units with a few Reserve Light Infantry and Maybe one resere Infantry divisions.

A Reparation program should be inevetable, but not directly I suppose, bt a huge one nonetheless.

Also a membership in the EEC should be mandatory during occupation and recovery efforts, this includes funding to repair the damaged ESA facility.

Hmm...

The MiG company is actually based in Poland I believe, not the SU.

Forced membership in the EEC / ESA would create problems if the SU doesn't want to participate in it. That'd be like forcing secession down their throats (similiar in principle). Sabotage and stuff will probably be likely with an unwilling "member".

Reparations will probably be unworkable at this point. If the global economy wasn't truly wrecked then reparations would be more practical / feasible (no 1 million trillion dollars needed), but considering many of the world's leading economies were trashed (Asia, North America, Germany, CSPS), it will be a miracle just to get even 1 million dollars USD (today's USD value) in reparations.

Mexico recommends giving Holstein to Germany, Faeroe Islands, Svalbard, and Franz Josef Islands to Britain, and St Petersburg to Russia. Furthermore, Finland and Denmark shall become demilitarised zones, and the SU must pay damages to ESA.

Britain would support a scheme whereby the SU relinquishes all rights to it's North Sea oil fields to Britain and Britain will pay for some of the reparations to Germany as part of an aid program. Other reparations go unaffected.

The Mexican suggestion is also agreed to, allowing the SU to remain intact politically but allowing demilitarised zones.

Britain will not support a greater Scandic military than follows:

NAVY
1 light cruiser
2 destroyers
2 frigates
2 conventionally powered attack subs

AIRFORCE
2 units of short range fighters

ARMY
max of 6 garrison units
1 reserve infantry division
2 reserve light infantry divisions

Mexico suggests the SU Air Force is allowed up to 3 Transport units.

Scandic officials point out that this is a European/Asian affair and Mexico should mind its own bussiness.

As for Petrograd, the SU will give it up without a fight, it is a Russian city.

The oil and gas in the N Sea that is ours is ours because it falls under our EEZ, and unless Britain pushes a bill through congress to change international law it will always be ours. Though the SU would have no problem giving Britain the profit of those fields for some time as reperations.

It is also noted that while the Faroe's are right off of Britain, the other islands in question are almost by Russia and having them under British control would make little sense.

As for reperaions, Scandic officials point out that between the depression and this war the SU economy has been crushed(Honestly I don't know whats left and losing Petrograd is a HUGE blow to my industry) s paying reperations will be hard and will take time.(BUt we will do it cause we don't really have a choice, just saying don't expect a windfall of points next year cause I'm not going to be able to afford it).


Quiet grumbling is heard in parts of the Scandic military abot the treaty, and other things that were being discussed.(I'm seriously suggesting something other than a Verseille esque treaty here.

Hmm...

The MiG company is actually based in Poland I believe, not the SU.

Forced membership in the EEC / ESA would create problems if the SU doesn't want to participate in it. That'd be like forcing secession down their throats (similiar in principle). Sabotage and stuff will probably be likely with an unwilling "member".

Reparations will probably be unworkable at this point. If the global economy wasn't truly wrecked then reparations would be more practical / feasible (no 1 million trillion dollars needed), but considering many of the world's leading economies were trashed (Asia, North America, Germany, CSPS), it will be a miracle just to get even 1 million dollars USD (today's USD value) in reparations.

The membership will of course not be a full one, but will be voted upon by an SU government once a stable government is establihed, all reparations paid and all recovery efforts completed and EEC growth bonus shouldn't be an obstacle in rebuilding.

"Sabotage and stuff" will be considered to be hinderance to the recovery efforts and will be dealt with accordingly.

A reparations program can be worked out to begin AFTER recovery efforts and will be treated like a debt, of course the later it is postponed the more interest it will gather.