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That's actually the fanon Valkyrie class fighter (at least that's what the image is). It was the basis for the also fanon design of the Gryphon class fighter. While the two look similar, there are enough differences to designate them as seperate classes.

Its termed fanon due to it not appearing on screen at any time. It may have appeared in a book, but I doubt it as I've read as many Star Trek books as I've been able to get ahold of and I don't recall it ever being mentioned.

Thus, due to NP's constraints on canon ship designs, it can't be used.

Alrighty, thanks.

The battle of Geonosis is a good example as to how ganging up on a Jedi (this time most of the Order from what I can surmize) will kill them. While a Jedi is no doubt formiddable (especially against ST level combatants with their powerful but poorly, and I mean POORLY designed weapons), they're not invincible against groups of determined enemies.

As far as Star Trek goes? Perhaps some technical manuals (though as far as I am aware Gene never oked one) state otherwise but all evidence from the show suggests Phasers take time to fire and recharge. So a swarm of ties assuming, of course that their weapons (probably are) do any damage at all, could take down the buck average federation vessel if only because it takes them to long to recharge and fire another volley. Though this kind of assumes trek accuracy is anygood, which it generally isn't (ships missing their targets with lightspeed weapons when they're within a few thousand km of each other? good lord) but that is probably beside whatever point we're at now in this thread.

If you're going to be a trek player then you obviously need to be smart and cunning and rely more on tactics than worrying about technology; the Empire has you beat, but that's how it is suppossed to be. The Empire was the most technological and badass entity in the galaxy, not some whiny pushover. This laid the foundation for the story whereby interesting characters used their heads to defeat an arrogant and generally inept foe. Trying to play with the Empire on it's level would just be stupid, like standing in the path of a rampaging bulldozer instead of trying to figure out a way to jump into the driver seat and rip the key out.

Trek is about smarts, whereas the Empire is about brute strength, one can't beat the other trying to play on their level, they have to use their own strengths against the enemies weaknesses instead of trying to match strength against strength. And I guess that is all I will say on the matter.

Canon evidence: The partial assimilation of Voyager and the ship from the Enterprise episode

i think they use them, but then bring them back to turn them into Cubes/build stuff around the hull making a Cuba. or making there own stuff from parts of the ships

They can do that, but only if its required. Seriously, would you rather have a fleet of several assimilated vessels, or take them all apart to build the one or two cubes you could out of them?

Personnally, I would go with the fleet.

why? a Borg Cuba can repair faster, and can take more damage then any assimilated vessel. the amount of damage a Cuba can take without being destroyed is worth every ship used to make it


Incorrect. Vader was canonly able to use just his outstretched hand while the gang were on/in Bespin City.

yes, same power used by Yoda against Sidious when Sidious used his Force Lightning


Of course, fighters are kind of pointless when ST weapons are so accurate that they could just blast away at unshield TIEs and vape them with single shots.

well, the targeting of ST ships is over rated. i have seen many times a large warship fire at smaller fighter sized ships and fail to hit them. and for the sake of this RP i do think that should be followed. as fighter attacks are a key part of SW, even the Venator is based on that idea

hey, can I sign up as part of the Republic? I loves me the Victory class SD. =D

we can start now. other people and such can be worked out as we move along

i however will not be making the starting post(due to peronal preferance)

So who is going to make the first post?

hey, can I sign up as part of the Republic? I loves me the Victory class SD. =D
I have the republic so if you want then make up a charecter.

I have the republic so if you want then make up a charecter.

*salutes* Righto!

So who is going to make the first post?

i don't know, someone who wants to?

Maybe the federation should.

I want to play. Who can I be????:

:sniper: I dont really care who i am. I would like to be a Star Wars faction if i can. Thank you.

The battle of Geonosis is a good example as to how ganging up on a Jedi (this time most of the Order from what I can surmize) will kill them. While a Jedi is no doubt formiddable (especially against ST level combatants with their powerful but poorly, and I mean POORLY designed weapons), they're not invincible against groups of determined enemies.

First off, ST weapons are ergonmically designed. Small ones are easily concealable and they all (excluding Type Is to my knowledge) 'vaporize' you with the nuclear disruption setting.

Secondly, no one is invincible.

Thirdly, I already said that any ST vs SW debate should be taken to a new thread and stop cluttering this one with that crap.

As far as Star Trek goes? Perhaps some technical manuals (though as far as I am aware Gene never oked one) state otherwise but all evidence from the show suggests Phasers take time to fire and recharge. So a swarm of ties assuming, of course that their weapons (probably are) do any damage at all, could take down the buck average federation vessel if only because it takes them to long to recharge and fire another volley. Though this kind of assumes trek accuracy is anygood, which it generally isn't (ships missing their targets with lightspeed weapons when they're within a few thousand km of each other? good lord) but that is probably beside whatever point we're at now in this thread.

No, there is no recharge time. The phaser array is actually many, MANY emittters lined up. Phaser banks (TMP-Movie eras), point phasers (TOS era), phase cannons (Enterprise era), and pulse phasers (DS9 era) all disprove your theory with on-screen evidence.

If you're going to be a trek player then you obviously need to be smart and cunning and rely more on tactics than worrying about technology; the Empire has you beat, but that's how it is suppossed to be. The Empire was the most technological and badass entity in the galaxy, not some whiny pushover. This laid the foundation for the story whereby interesting characters used their heads to defeat an arrogant and generally inept foe. Trying to play with the Empire on it's level would just be stupid, like standing in the path of a rampaging bulldozer instead of trying to figure out a way to jump into the driver seat and rip the key out.

Bull. A SW turbolaser can pump out, what, a few gigawatts? There is canon on-screen evidence of ST shields standing up against far more destructive energy. I point you to the scene in that one DS9 episode where the Hideki crashed directly into the station's sheilds with minimal effect.

Trek is about smarts, whereas the Empire is about brute strength, one can't beat the other trying to play on their level, they have to use their own strengths against the enemies weaknesses instead of trying to match strength against strength. And I guess that is all I will say on the matter.

So, we now know you are a SW fanboy. The Star Trek universe is on equal footing, if not higher footing, with the Star Wars universe.

i think they use them, but then bring them back to turn them into Cubes/build stuff around the hull making a Cuba. or making there own stuff from parts of the ships

Negative. The adapt to the situation. They only take apart an assimilate ship if they need, and I mean really need something from it.

Cubes, Spheres, Tactical Cubes, Diamonds, Monoliths, Probes, et cetera are all built seperately.

why? a Borg Cuba can repair faster, and can take more damage then any assimilated vessel. the amount of damage a Cuba can take without being destroyed is worth every ship used to make it

Not true. All Borg ships, assimilated or built, have the same rate of repair. Cubes can operate with around 80% damage, that must be what you are thinking about.

Of course, you are forgetting that Cubes are giant vessels, 4 kilometers to a side, and are only used if the situation calls for it. Like any group, the Borg know that smaller vessels can be assimilated for more tactical uses.

yes, same power used by Yoda against Sidious when Sidious used his Force Lightning

Ehh, I don't think so. Totally different powers, IMHO.

well, the targeting of ST ships is over rated. i have seen many times a large warship fire at smaller fighter sized ships and fail to hit them. and for the sake of this RP i do think that should be followed. as fighter attacks are a key part of SW, even the Venator is based on that idea

That's because the smaller ships got in close and were at the right angle from the emitter to be outside the available firing elvations. Plus, you have to include exclusion angles to avoid hitting parts of the firing ship or allied craft with the phaser or disrupter beam.

That's why the ST battle style during the Dominion War was to get up close to the enemy ships.

First off, ST weapons are ergonmically designed. Small ones are easily concealable and they all (excluding Type Is to my knowledge) 'vaporize' you with the nuclear disruption setting.

Designing a weapon with ergonomics inmind goes totally against weapon effectiveness. The little phaser pistol doohicky doesn't even have sights for aiming, and neither did most phaser rifles till First Contact, but even then the range was horribly low and accuracy was always a problem.

No, there is no recharge time. The phaser array is actually many, MANY emittters lined up. Phaser banks (TMP-Movie eras), point phasers (TOS era), phase cannons (Enterprise era), and pulse phasers (DS9 era) all disprove your theory with on-screen evidence.

Regardless of what *type* of phasers they are, anyone watching the shows notices that A) they do take some time to charge, hence why they do not fire constantly on screen (if I am not mistaken Phasers use capactiors, which means that la, they need time to build up energy before they can fire again) B) They are not that accurate. They miss even at point blank range at times, how is that in any way accurate?

Bull. A SW turbolaser can pump out, what, a few gigawatts? There is canon on-screen evidence of ST shields standing up against far more destructive energy. I point you to the scene in that one DS9 episode where the Hideki crashed directly into the station's sheilds with minimal effect.

And I will point you to the TNG episode where some low powered 40mW lasers shook the enterprise as bad (though no shield or hull damage) as if it had been from a klingon antimatter torpedo. Also I don't know the precise power outputs of any weapon ina ny universe, mainly because it isn't important and I am not some rabid fanboy who will dedicate that amount of time to prove how big an asshole I am. I do know though, that the Federation couldn't destroy ONE mountain sized asteroid whereas SW style turbolasers can. Though again power levels are best left to people like Wong and Saxton.

So, we now know you are a SW fanboy. The Star Trek universe is on equal footing, if not higher footing, with the Star Wars universe.

Please. I grew up with Trek and happen to enjoy it more than Star Wars. However, I am more than willing to admit that against other canon races it has its short comings and in this situation would loose if it tried to play on a strength v. strength basis. Which is why I suggested any trek players do like the captains of TOS et al did, used their smarts to resolve less than ideal situations.

Also making a claim such as THAT knowing full well the extent some people (Wong, Saxton) have gone to totally prove otherwise is, not good on your part.

EDIT: Yes, this is Ex.

Not true. All Borg ships, assimilated or built, have the same rate of repair. Cubes can operate with around 80% damage, that must be what you are thinking about.

well, seeing as we do not know the Borg use other ships rather then Cubes, Spheres, Probes, and "the Queen's Yacht" i do not know how you would know if an assimilated ship would repair this fast? i do ot remember them doing such things on other ships

Of course, you are forgetting that Cubes are giant vessels, 4 kilometers to a side, and are only used if the situation calls for it.

really? i thought it was 3km

Ehh, I don't think so. Totally different powers, IMHO.

wait, wrong Yoda duel...anyway

Force Deflection was a Force power used by Jedi and Sith who were without a lightsaber, or chose not to carry one. It is unknown exactly if the Jedi and Sith merely created a wall using the Force to deflect blaster bolts and Force Powers, or if he actually deflected them back with his hand. It took much skill in the Force to use this, however, and most Jedi and Sith used their lightsabers instead to deflect blaster bolts. Jedi Master Yoda used it to block Force Lightning when duelling Darth Tyranus and Darth Sidious and Darth Vader used it to deflect Han Solo's blaster in Cloud City It is possible that Yoda combined Force Deflection with Force Absorb when protecting himself against Force Lightning. He was unsuccessful because he wanted to gather the lightning into an orb to fire back at Sidious, but it overloaded and exploded in their faces, throwing the combatants apart

I want to play. Who can I be????:

Ssi-Ruuk? Hapans? hmmm we still need a CIS....

Designing a weapon with ergonomics inmind goes totally against weapon effectiveness. The little phaser pistol doohicky doesn't even have sights for aiming, and neither did most phaser rifles till First Contact, but even then the range was horribly low and accuracy was always a problem.

Wrong. Take a look at the TNG Type II hand phaser. You see that channel between the two raised sections just in front of the buttons and right behind the emitter? That's the sight.

Regardless of what *type* of phasers they are, anyone watching the shows notices that A) they do take some time to charge, hence why they do not fire constantly on screen (if I am not mistaken Phasers use capactiors, which means that la, they need time to build up energy before they can fire again) B) They are not that accurate. They miss even at point blank range at times, how is that in any way accurate?

A.) You would be mistaken. There is no on-screen canon evidence that has ever suggested they use capacitors. Phaser arrays are made up of force-coupled phaser emitters that add their energy to the next in the line until they reach the part of the arc that the energy needs to be fired from to hit the target.

Some info on Phasers:

"Phasers" are the term used for standard beam artillery weapons originally utilized by the United Federation of Planets since the mid 2200's. Since then the technology has been independently developed, copied, stolen, and imitated by several less-powerful interstellar groups in favor of disruptors, which are most often used by other large non-Federation governments. The name of the weapon is actually an acronym for PHASed Energy Rectification, a holdover from previous technologies that converted energy from one form to another without need for an intermediate energy transformation; a process analogous to turning solid water (ice) into gaseous form (steam) without ever becoming a liquid. Today, phasers are used in wide application, from the cannons, banks, and arrays found onboard various starships and facilities down to handheld weaponry employed by StarFleet away teams.

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Phaser operation is dependent on a short-lived subatomic particle called a rapid nadion, which is a nuclear disruptor. When found in high enough concentrations and energy states, this special type of nadion negates the Strong Nuclear Force that binds the protons and neutrons of atomic matter together. This process results in the spontaneous destruction of the nucleus in what is known as "explosive decoupling."

This reaction alone liberates a great amount of thermal energy, as the natural repulsion between subatomic particles within the nucleus causes the matter to instantaneously disassociate into free-floating protons, neutrons, and electrons. Essentially, the rapid nadion effect causes matter to spontaneously undergo nuclear fission. Because of this exothermic nuclear effect, phaser weapons are capable of causing much more damage than would be possible with a comparatively powered direct energy-transfer weapon, such as traditional lasers.

Nadions themselves are a class of near-zero rest mass particles produced when an exotic crystal called fushigi-no-umi (or boronite) becomes energized. They are electrically neutral and composed of two positively charged and two negatively charged elemental Geheiminis particles, which have found extended application within the Federation. Most nadions are harmless non-interactive particles produced as a side effect of various technologies or natural processes, and fall in to three basic categories: slow, regular, and rapid.
Slow nadions have a phase variance of less than .00001 when compared with normal matter, and are often found as side effects of transporters and other matter-energy transfer devices. They do not interact with any kind of periodic matter, and are usually not detected unless specifically scanned for. Regular nadions, also called natural nadions can have phase variances anywhere as high as .0001, and are usually found in nature as a side effect of subspace anomalies. Sometimes these nadions will interact with matter, exciting atoms to higher energy states for short periods of time.

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Rapid nadions, however, are only produced by the artificial excitation of fushigi-no-umi by plasma or other forms of energy transfer. Their phase variances can range as high as .001 and have the exotic effect of negating the Strong Nuclear Force within atomic nuclei. At such extreme variances, these particles begin to alter the phasic state of the matter they interact with, "dragging" it out of sync with the rest of the universe, in an event commonly called "vaporization." This effect applies to both the matter and energy released in the explosive decoupling effect, conveniently shunting dangerous radiation out of the surrounding environment.

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At regulated energy levels, the destructiveness of the rapid nadion can be controlled to a high degree, balancing its thermal impact with its nuclear disruptive effect, creating a wide range of desired results in a target; from mild stunning of an organism to rapid vaporization and transfer out of the normal space-time continuum. Similar results can be achieved by rapid nadions simply shunted through a focusing artifice, as is the case with disruptor weapons. However, usually these results are less predictable and potentially dangerous. Uneven vaporizations often occur with the use of disruptors, causing excruciating pain upon blast impact, where as phaser-controlled nadions quickly and uniformly vaporize matter, with less much risk to the user. This disparity partially has to do in which way the disruptor crystals are forced pulse charged and with how the resulting beam is handled.
Phasers are commonly deployed in one of three basic configurations aboard starships and starbases: cannons, banks, and arrays, but other groups are known to have applied phaser technology to different application. Phaser cannons were the first widely used emplacements aboard federation starships during the 2240's. Consisting of a computer controlled power flow regulator, they were capable of both intermediate pulse fire or continuous phaser bursts. Phaser cannons are often still found on Federation space stations and other facilities, although their design commonly differs from those used back in the early 23rd century.

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Phaser banks are a more contemporary design, reinforcing and complicating the original cannon setup into a more compact and powerful device. The term "bank" comes from the fact that these emitters, unlike their cannon predecessors, were controlled by an EPS submaster, a central device that directed energy flow to each phaser emplacement. Since early Federation starships could not provide enough energy flow for the EPS submaster to simultaneously distribute to each emitter, the banks had to "charge" before they could fire.
Phaser arrays expand and enhance the phaser bank design by actually placing emitters side-by-side in long stretching bands of up to two hundred individual emplacements. The emplacements are interdependent, however; rapid nadion charges from each of the individual emitters compounds into the final discharge beam; the visual effect of this in one or two orange spots advancing along the length of a phaser array before discharging toward a target. The main advantage of phaser arrays is that they increase the firing arc of a starbase or starship considerably, while also allowing for more powerful and longer lasting bursts of rapid nadions.

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Phaser operation generally proceeds in the following manner: The EPS submaster controls energy supply to a group of sub-routers called flow regulators. Flow regulators act as a backup system to the EPS submaster, ensuring that the proper amounts of energy are sent to the emitters. Once energy passes through the flow regulators, a system called the plasma distribution manifold takes over.

The plasma distribution manifold uses a system of lasers to energize compact pockets of helium gas into plasma. From there, a series of magnetic tubes and valves guides the plasma to an emplacement's pre-fire chamber, where a crystal of fushigi-no-umi is waiting. The plasma energizes the crystal, and it emits rapid nadions, which are focused and directed out of the emitter chamber in the form of a phaser beam.

The particle beam travels at nearly and speed of light, decelerating from its point of origin, and for this reason for a long time phasers could not be used while at warp unless the two ships were at or very near the same warp velocity. This problem was solved recently, however, by jacketing the phaser beam in a subspace annular confinement beam (ACB), allowing these weapons to be utilized while at hyperlight velocities.

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Here's a little info on why SW ray shields don't work against ST weapons:

Because of the phased nature of nadion particles, Imperial ray shielding proved ineffective in repelling phaser weapons during the skirmish at Imatia. This problem, however, was quickly rectified by Imperial engineers as such a shortcoming was categorically unacceptable to the patrons of the Galactic Empire.

Here's info on disrupters:

Disruptors rely heavily on technology similar to phasers, and are utilized by many different governments and groups throughout the Alpha and Beta Quadrants. Disruptors find their name from the effect that they have on matter.

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Like phasers, they rely on rapid nadions, which disrupt the Strong Nuclear Force that binds the protons and neutrons of atomic matter together. And like phasers, they cause matter to decouple in an explosive manner.

But disruptors rely much more on brute force to get the job done than phasers do; where phasers take extra care to evenly energize their boronite crystals, disruptors simply shunt a predetermined amount of energy into the crystal chamber, and force the ensuing beam through a focusing artifice. The individual energy states of each nadion expelled from the focusing artifice can vary by a wide degree, causing haphazard distribution of energy among an impacted target.

The advantage this provides over phasers is that complicated systems are not needed to ensure the regulated ejection of nadions, and more room remains for additional power systems, boosting the overall destructive force of the weapon.

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However, the use of disruptors is by no means an exact practice. Stun settings, when available, can sometimes be quite deadly, and the weapon itself falls far short of a phaser in terms of practical usages outside of pure weaponry. There is, also, a much greater risk of "chamber fire," a misfire of the nadion pulse, resulting in an explosive vaporization of the weapon's chassis, power cell, and the user.

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Most disruptors come in a pulse design, where the boronite chamber actually seals for short intervals, building up nadion energy before releasing it. This is common aboard starships which mount disruptor cannons, but sustained-fire disruptors are also used, producing beams of a similar appearance to phaser banks.

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Now for some info on the SW disrupter varients:

Disruptors find limited use within the fringes of the Galactic Empire, as such weapons are a favorite among bounty hunters and assassins; the Tenloss model disruptor was one of Boba Fett's weapons of choice. Outlawed by the Old Republic, such weapons have been largely forgotten by mainstream weapons developers, as they are considered unstable and dangerous to operate.

B.) There is plenty of on-screen canon evidence to disprove your statement. I cite the TNG episode where pin-point accuracy was needed to drill through a planet's crusts in exactly the right spot to release green house gasses to prevent an ice age that would devestate the population. I cite the TOS episode where the original Enterprise was able to fire a stun beam at the exact spot ordered.

Need I go on?

And I will point you to the TNG episode where some low powered 40mW lasers shook the enterprise as bad (though no shield or hull damage) as if it had been from a klingon antimatter torpedo. Also I don't know the precise power outputs of any weapon ina ny universe, mainly because it isn't important and I am not some rabid fanboy who will dedicate that amount of time to prove how big an asshole I am. I do know though, that the Federation couldn't destroy ONE mountain sized asteroid whereas SW style turbolasers can. Though again power levels are best left to people like Wong and Saxton.

The ship was shaken because:

A.) It was to show interally that the ship had been hit when external shots and viewscreen images weren't being shown;

B.) The KE imparted to the shields from the impact was negated back through the emitters and imparted into the hull.

Oh, and ST weapons can destroy asteroids. Ever hear of a little thing called a Photon Torpedo? Seriously, if ST ships can blow up a Borg Cube thats 4 kilometers per side, a simple asteroid, which would technically be melted due to thermal energy imparted from the phaser or disrupter beam, is nothing.

I cite the TNG episode where the Enterprise-D was caught in the booby trap in an asteroid field and had to destroy, with pin-point accuracy, specific (larger than mountain-sized) asteroids to escape.

Please. I grew up with Trek and happen to enjoy it more than Star Wars. However, I am more than willing to admit that against other canon races it has its short comings and in this situation would loose if it tried to play on a strength v. strength basis. Which is why I suggested any trek players do like the captains of TOS et al did, used their smarts to resolve less than ideal situations.

Yes, ST tech does has its shortcomings, but you haven't touched any of them.

Also making a claim such as THAT knowing full well the extent some people (Wong, Saxton) have gone to totally prove otherwise is, not good on your part.

I don't know who those guys are, but I know what I know.

For example, the biased crap on SD.net is worthless. Canon on-screen evidence, like I use, is not.

EDIT: Yes, this is Ex.

And that matters not to me.

well, seeing as we do not know the Borg use other ships rather then Cubes, Spheres, Probes, and "the Queen's Yacht" i do not know how you would know if an assimilated ship would repair this fast? i do ot remember them doing such things on other ships

Actually, canon on-screen evidence does exist. There's the Raven from Voyager. Supposedly the Borg had her for at least a decade and didn't make her into a Sphere, Cube, Probe, or something else.

really? i thought it was 3km

Yes, a standard Borg Cube (like the Wolf 359 one) is 4 clicks per side.

wait, wrong Yoda duel...anyway

Force Deflection was a Force power used by Jedi and Sith who were without a lightsaber, or chose not to carry one. It is unknown exactly if the Jedi and Sith merely created a wall using the Force to deflect blaster bolts and Force Powers, or if he actually deflected them back with his hand. It took much skill in the Force to use this, however, and most Jedi and Sith used their lightsabers instead to deflect blaster bolts. Jedi Master Yoda used it to block Force Lightning when duelling Darth Tyranus and Darth Sidious and Darth Vader used it to deflect Han Solo's blaster in Cloud City It is possible that Yoda combined Force Deflection with Force Absorb when protecting himself against Force Lightning. He was unsuccessful because he wanted to gather the lightning into an orb to fire back at Sidious, but it overloaded and exploded in their faces, throwing the combatants apart

I say ask Huntaer about it.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=488626 <--- I direct you, there Jarvon.

Just curious, but how are we going to do this, Do you want me to set up Transwarp Conduit From the Milky Way to a place in the Unknown regions(Chiss Empire)?

Seriously Jarvon, this is an RP interest thread, not a canon debate thread. Take it somewhere else.

Maybe the federation should.

Probably either the Feds or the Reps. Or perhaps the Borg, with their advanced technology and collective mind would be the first to discover the anomoly.

Just curious, but how are we going to do this, Do you want me to set up Transwarp Conduit From the Milky Way to a place in the Unknown regions(Chiss Empire)?

I was thinking something along the lines of a galactic collision. Occasionally two galaxies will "collide", passing through one another. That seemed to be the best idea to me, as it would be much easier for ships to move about. With a transwarp conduit, only Borg, or ships infiltrating the Borg system could travel between the galaxies.

I don't want to start it.

I got it! Papatine was secretly testing some kind of super weapon and it back fired and the device xploded and ripped a whole from a long long time ago in a galaxy far far away to this galaxy.

Nerd duel!

I think I have an Idea of how to do this.

Borg Vessel Sovereign 002 comes across a stable wormhole. They send a probe through, into the Unkown Regions. Deciding to try some new experiments, The borg build a Transwarp Hub on the Milky Way side, and send a group through to build one on the other side. They do, and it causes Quantum Slipstream "Rivers" to flow between the two galaxies. These act as bungie cords, and draw the two galaxies together, forming a galactic collision.

Edit: any comments?

I am hoping about halfway, so that I can use the specialised nanoprobes against UP, otherwise I gotta stay away from him if at all possible.
Well, if it's late enough we may be able to find somekind of defense (not a perfect one mind you, but Janeway did eventually give the nanoprobes to us.

I think I have an Idea of how to do this.

Borg Vessel Sovereign 002 comes across a stable wormhole. They send a probe through, into the Unkown Regions. Deciding to try some new experiments, The borg build a Transwarp Hub on the Milky Way side, and send a group through to build one on the other side. They do, and it causes Quantum Slipstream "Rivers" to flow between the two galaxies. These act as bungie cords, and draw the two galaxies together, forming a galactic collision.

Edit: any comments?


sounds fine to me.

I've attempted to come up with a list of RPers and got this:

The Galactic Republic: 1010102 and Rodenka
The Mandalore Warriors: Squornshelous
The Chiss: Harroland
The Borg Collective: The Longinean Order
Species 8472: United Planets c2161
The United Federation of Planets: The American Privateer and Kilani
The Klingons: Thuace

Other RPers?
Jarvon
Maldorians

I'm playing Republic as well, just FYI

of any of the people signed up want to do a halo rp just untill this thing starts?

I'm playing Republic as well, just FYI

Right, I missed that.

Fixed!

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11201317#post11201317

Borg meets Chiss, Cube 2045 has been sent through the wormhole, and the Transwarp hub is under construction.

Since no one seems to want to start this, I'll get things going:

A Lone 8472 Destroyer, damaged in a recent battle with the Borg is unable to return to fluidic space. The ship is regenerating, but not fast enough. The Borg have been chasing the vessel in an attempt to gain an advantage over them. The pilot knows that he (OOC: I'll use this, since 8472 has 5 genders/OOC) must return to his home. He comes across a species, unlike the Borg with a large vessel. After analizing the ship he realizes he may be able to use it to create a singularity to allow him to return to his realm. He speeds in to board and kill any onboard.

He crashes into the hull and procedes to tear through the hull. When he emerges on the other side there are several humanoids standing in white. They turn.

The 8472 doesn't wait. He lunges forward and knocks 2 off their feet. The others track him and begin to fire. A few blasts hit him but he keeps going. He finishes off the remaining 4 enemies and then procedes to where he believes the controls to get home are.

Tearing through the walls he gets to the control room with very little difficulty. He kills the 2 beings manning the controls and procedes to use them.

Unfortunatlely the technology is worthless to him. He can't open a singularity without a great deal of time at these controls. He does manage to send a message into fluidic space, to his people. He turns to return to his ship when he is confronted by another of the creatures. This one is different however. This one wears brown flowing clothing. 8472 moves to attack, but the being raises it's hand and 8472 is thrown back. The being then pulls out a device, and a long column of energy comes out of it.

8472 lunges again, side to side to avoid being thrown again. The Jedi swings the object and slices of one of 8742's hands. He strikes the Jedi and sends him to the ground. The finishing strike is about to be laid when the Jedi dodges comes around and impales 8472 through the chest cavity.

As 8472 falls he sends a telepathic message to the Jedi. "They will come. The weak shall perish."

Since no one seems to want to start this, I'll get things going:

A Lone 8472 Destroyer, damaged in a recent battle with the Borg is unable to return to fluidic space. The ship is regenerating, but not fast enough. The Borg have been chasing the vessel in an attempt to gain an advantage over them. The pilot knows that he (OOC: I'll use this, since 8472 has 5 genders/OOC) must return to his home. He comes across a species, unlike the Borg with a large vessel. After analizing the ship he realizes he may be able to use it to create a singularity to allow him to return to his realm. He speeds in to board and kill any onboard.

He crashes into the hull and procedes to tear through the hull. When he emerges on the other side there are several humanoids standing in white. They turn.

The 8472 doesn't wait. He lunges forward and knocks 2 off their feet. The others track him and begin to fire. A few blasts hit him but he keeps going. He finishes off the remaining 4 enemies and then procedes to where he believes the controls to get home are.

Tearing through the walls he gets to the control room with very little difficulty. He kills the 2 beings manning the controls and procedes to use them.

Unfortunatlely the technology is worthless to him. He can't open a singularity without a great deal of time at these controls. He does manage to send a message into fluidic space, to his people. He turns to return to his ship when he is confronted by another of the creatures. This one is different however. This one wears brown flowing clothing. 8472 moves to attack, but the being raises it's hand and 8472 is thrown back. The being then pulls out a device, and a long column of energy comes out of it.

8472 lunges again, side to side to avoid being thrown again. The Jedi swings the object and slices of one of 8742's hands. He strikes the Jedi and sends him to the ground. The finishing strike is about to be laid when the Jedi dodges comes around and impales 8472 through the chest cavity.

As 8472 falls he sends a telepathic message to the Jedi. "They will come. The weak shall perish."


Create a thread for this (8472 meets republic)

Create a thread for this (8472 meets republic)
Done (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11201454#post11201454)

i'll add both the Borg and the 8472 threads to the front page

btw i am useing Aayla Secura so add that to the character list(or i could use the Jedi Order)

i'll add both the Borg and the 8472 threads to the front page

btw i am useing Aayla Secura so add that to the character list(or i could use the Jedi Order)

Just play as the Jedi, after all, the Jedi are a seperate political entity

Just play as the Jedi, after all, the Jedi are a seperate political entity

exactly, and so i will

exactly, and so i will

Yoda should be able to sense the arrival of the borg. Their feeling in the force is like that of a Vong slave, ragged, unnatural, like they have been ripped and torn at through the force. As for 8472, I don't know how they would, feel.

Yoda should be able to sense the arrival of the borg. Their feeling in the force is like that of a Vong slave, ragged, unnatural, like they have been ripped and torn at through the force. As for 8472, I don't know how they would, feel.
I'm not sure. Since Species 8472 comes form a completly different dimension, maybe their presence would be felt as a disturbance in the force. Something that doesn't belong.

I'm not sure. Since Species 8472 comes form a completly different dimension, maybe their presence would be felt as a disturbance in the force. Something that doesn't belong.

Maybe it should be like the vong, an absence in the force

Seriously Jarvon, this is an RP interest thread, not a canon debate thread. Take it somewhere else.

That's what I've been saying. Now, thanks to Navick, there is a debate thread I kept saying things should be moved to.

sounds fine to me.

I've attempted to come up with a list of RPers and got this:

The Galactic Republic: 1010102 and Rodenka
The Mandalore Warriors: Squornshelous
The Chiss: Harroland
The Borg Collective: The Longinean Order
Species 8472: United Planets c2161
The United Federation of Planets: The American Privateer and Kilani
The Klingons: Thuace

Other RPers?
Jarvon
Maldorians


Oh, I'm in as a Star Trek Mirror Universe side set in the post-Nemesis era using the timeline as depicted in the book "Dark Mirror" (set in the TNG era).

So, put me down as either the Terran Empire or the United Empire Of Planets. Basically, they are the same thing.

you know, it is interesting that 8472 and the Borg are the first to encounter SW guys. It will make all Mily Way Galaxy groups highly suspect in the eyes of the Republic.

The Transwarp Aperature on the Milky Way side was now finished, and the construction ships where sent to the other side of the wormhole. There, they finished the apperature in record time. As the two apperatures where finished, quantum anomalies began apearing all over the two galaxies, as Quantum Rivers began to appear that stretched between the two galaxies. Vessels in either Subspace or hyperspace that passed through these "Quantum Rivers" found them selves swept with the flow.

Now just have your vessels stumble across these in Either Warp Transit or Hyperspace, and get swept into the other galaxy.

Now just have your vessels stumble across these in Either Warp Transit or Hyperspace, and get swept into the other galaxy.

I wonder how they would affect my MU ships.

Here is a map of the star wars galaxy:
http://www.atcmusic.com/SWGalaxy.htm

Here's two maps for the regular Star Trek universe:

"Local" Area (Alpha and Beta Quadrants):
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b91/SeaQuest_Sim/Maps/maplocal.jpg

Galactic:
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b91/SeaQuest_Sim/Maps/galactic-map.jpg

Note, the ST galactic map is a little off, but it gives you a rough idea of where everyone's at.

Question, what about if I switched to V'Ger or the Whale Probe?

Just curious. I'll still work up a way for me to find a way from the ST MU to interact in the RP if I can't go as either.

i was going to RP as the Jedi Order, but its just not my way of RPing. so i will stay with Aayla Secura for now(and i may grab other characters, but Secura will be my main one...

Question, what about if I switched to V'Ger or the Whale Probe?

Just curious. I'll still work up a way for me to find a way from the ST MU to interact in the RP if I can't go as either.

While I don't know if that's GM/Wank like the Q (both V'Ger and the Whale Probe had canon weaknesses), IMHO, it would make for an interesting RP story.

Harroland, The borg are attacking, they need a response.

Thuace, you want to bring a Bird of Prey or two through to the Mandalore Sector?

I'll get a thread up tomorrow...And whoever is playing the borg might want to wait for the Republic to respond before he starts assimilating people willy-nilly. He has no idea if Dantoonie is actually defended or not.

Question, what about if I switched to V'Ger or the Whale Probe?

Just curious. I'll still work up a way for me to find a way from the ST MU to interact in the RP if I can't go as either.
Any comments?

Meh. I'm not a big fan of anyone playing that, considering the probe can just disable any ships that come near it and destroy entire planets just by hovering over them.

Meh. I'm not a big fan of anyone playing that, considering the probe can just disable any ships that come near it and destroy entire planets just by hovering over them.

Ehh, just so you know, there is canon evidence that shows the Whale Probe's weakness. In the book "Probe", there were parts about it encountering sharp edged ships (ie, Borg) and getting its butt kicked, really bad. So bad, that it still carries the scars, internally and externally.

As for V'ger, ehh, strong shields can hold off at least one of those digitizer torps. So, stronger shields should hold off more.

I'll get a thread up tomorrow...And whoever is playing the borg might want to wait for the Republic to respond before he starts assimilating people willy-nilly. He has no idea if Dantoonie is actually defended or not.

hey, I just said that one guy was grabbed by a Borg drone, mostly this is to help sew fear of the Borg among the Republic.

If no one's the CIS, can I have them?

If no one's the CIS, can I have them?

the CIS may be yours

Ehh, just so you know, there is canon evidence that shows the Whale Probe's weakness. In the book "Probe", there were parts about it encountering sharp edged ships (ie, Borg) and getting its butt kicked, really bad. So bad, that it still carries the scars, internally and externally.

As for V'ger, ehh, strong shields can hold off at least one of those digitizer torps. So, stronger shields should hold off more.

@NP: Up to you if I'm the MU Terran Empire/United Empire Of Planets (still got to figure a way across the dimensional barrier that would be acceptable) or one of the above two.

@NP: Up to you if I'm the MU Terran Empire/United Empire Of Planets (still got to figure a way across the dimensional barrier that would be acceptable) or one of the above two.


whatever you want of them, i do not care

whatever you want of them, i do not care

Then V'Ger it is.

Hehe. This is going to be fun.

hey, I just said that one guy was grabbed by a Borg drone, mostly this is to help sew fear of the Borg among the Republic.
Yeah, and you have to remember. The SW races aren't going to be expecting people to materialize on the surface, so there was no reason to mobilize troops on the ground yet.

What are we going to agree on about the modified nanoprobes? Is it too early for them, after, or so far after the 8472 has them too?

And by the way, Species 8472 is moving into a republic system, we're waiting for a response.

Yeah, and you have to remember. The SW races aren't going to be expecting people to materialize on the surface, so there was no reason to mobilize troops on the ground yet.

What are we going to agree on about the modified nanoprobes? Is it too early for them, after, or so far after the 8472 has them too?

And by the way, Species 8472 is moving into a republic system, we're waiting for a response.

About that, how do your ships know that the republic fleet went to Kuat?

Hyperspace travel doesn't leave a trail like a warp signature, or did they take the destroyer along with them?

About that, how do your ships know that the republic fleet went to Kuat?

Hyperspace travel doesn't leave a trail like a warp signature, or did they take the destroyer along with them?

It sounded like the Destroyer was still embedded in the hull to me.

Of course, that's not good. IIRC, its going to start attacking the hull of the SD(?) its embedded in.

Then V'Ger it is.

Hehe. This is going to be fun.

Dominion War era V'Ger that is.

*Snickers*

This is going to allow me to do the canon V'Ger from TMP as well as what the merging with William Deckard at the end of the movie caused.

yeah, Harroland still hasn't responded to my attack of his Space Station.

yeah, Harroland still hasn't responded to my attack of his Space Station.

send him a TG.

About that, how do your ships know that the republic fleet went to Kuat?

Hyperspace travel doesn't leave a trail like a warp signature, or did they take the destroyer along with them?
The pilot may be dead, but you never removed the ship from your hull, that's how they tracked it.

The pilot may be dead, but you never removed the ship from your hull, that's how they tracked it.

sure, although it's not my ship. ;)

I'm working on an update of the SW galactic map to show what's going on there so far.

send him a TG.

I did, still waiting for a response.

I'm working on an update of the SW galactic map to show what's going on there so far.

remember, Adumar has fallen to the Borg, whose drones are know being outfitted with blastswords inside their right hand.

OOC: Nice way to bring it in, but I don't remember V'Ger having malicious intent. Did Decker have that much of an impact on it?

Thanks.

And, IIRC, the canon goal for V'Ger was to learn all that was learnable. To accomplish that, I may have to use the canon V'Ger trick of creating items to extend the will of V'Ger where the large one can't fit (ie, planetary surfaces and inside other ships and stations).

If I came across as 'malicious', meh. V'Ger's had around a century to absorb emotion into its totally logical mind. New personality quirks are bound to develop.

Thanks.

And, IIRC, the canon goal for V'Ger was to learn all that was learnable. To accomplish that, I may have to use the canon V'Ger trick of creating items to extend the will of V'Ger where the large one can't fit (ie, planetary surfaces and inside other ships and stations).

If I came across as 'malicious', meh. V'Ger's had around a century to absorb emotion into its totally logical mind. New personality quirks are bound to develop.

Remember Data when he first got his "Emotion Chip," now include a century of isolation, and you have a psychopathic robot. So I think V'ger could be malicious now.

remember, Adumar has fallen to the Borg, whose drones are know being outfitted with blastswords inside their right hand.

right, I'll have little notations for battles and the movements of different groups. I'm going to make a post to kind of establish the Mandalorians (basicly pulling their scattered clans together at Mandalore) and then I'll have a link up here with the map.

It would help me a lot to know if V'Ger is coming through in the same general area as the Borg and Species 8472 or somewhere completely different.

right, I'll have little notations for battles and the movements of different groups. I'm going to make a post to kind of establish the Mandalorians (basicly pulling their scattered clans together at Mandalore) and then I'll have a link up here with the map.

It would help me a lot to know if V'Ger is coming through in the same general area as the Borg and Species 8472 or somewhere completely different.

Adumar should be a lime green now, and we are on the edge of the Chiss Empire with the wormhole.

Remember Data when he first got his "Emotion Chip," now include a century of isolation, and you have a psychopathic robot. So I think V'ger could be malicious now.

Ehh, pretty much.

right, I'll have little notations for battles and the movements of different groups. I'm going to make a post to kind of establish the Mandalorians (basicly pulling their scattered clans together at Mandalore) and then I'll have a link up here with the map.

It would help me a lot to know if V'Ger is coming through in the same general area as the Borg and Species 8472 or somewhere completely different.

Meh, I honestly haven't decided yet. But, you'll know when V'Ger is around. Remember the energy cloud?

I'm going to be using the Director's Cut edition's 2 AUs in diameter instead of the Theatrical edition's 10 AUs.

I'm going to be using the Director's Cut edition's 2 AUs in diameter instead of the Theatrical edition's 10 AUs.

yeah, 933 milllion miles is a BIT much

So, who are we waiting for posts from to get the IC thread back on track?

Oh, and I recommend that all OOC be posted in this thread so as to not clutter the IC ones with it.

Slight correction. I just looked it up and it wasn't 10 AUs in diameter for V'Ger's energy cloud in the theatrical release, it was 82 AUs. For you that are having trouble picturing something that large, that's bigger than the Sol star system.

Still, I'm going to be using the 2 AUs as given in the director's cut edition.

Slight correction. I just looked it up and it wasn't 10 AUs in diameter for V'Ger's energy cloud in the theatrical release, it was 82 AUs. For you that are having trouble picturing something that large, that's bigger than the Sol star system.

Still, I'm going to be using the 2 AUs as given in the director's cut edition.

82 Astronomical Units! :eek:

that is 82 time the distance from the earth to the sun, thats 7650 million miles in diameter.

Edit: We need 1010102 and Harroland to post, both in response to Borg Presence near their installations/planets

plus I can't wait to see how the Republic will react to the presence of Borg on their planet.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11210765#post11210765

this is the Borg's initial contact/scouting with Coruscant.

EDIT: not an invasion thread, just a contact thread, the borg can be peaceful, when it suits them. (Especialy when they want to gain acess to the Jedi Library)

Note: this is closed to Me, TAP (If he has someone arrive), NP, and 1010102

Ehh, pretty much.



Meh, I honestly haven't decided yet. But, you'll know when V'Ger is around. Remember the energy cloud?

I'm going to be using the Director's Cut edition's 2 AUs in diameter instead of the Theatrical edition's 10 AUs.

Right, but I just wanted to be able to put a spot on the map so people could known ooc where the V'ger is. Right now I'll leave it off, but the map will be frequently updated, so it shouldn't be a problem.

I am using the following colors to represent forces:
Borg - Green
Republic - Red
Species 8472 - Teal
Mandalorians - Blue
Klingons - Brown
Chiss - Light Blue
Federation - Yellow
CIS - Orange
V'Ger - Purple

There is a legend added at the side of the map for clarity.

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v629/squorn/?action=view&current=sw_star_wars_galaxy_map.jpg

Love the map, very nicely done.

and Squorn love that line "Blatant Disregard for Secrecy," these are the borg after all.

Love the map, very nicely done.

Thanks.

If anyone has trouble reading the individual planet names, you can just save it to you computer and open it up in paint.

I think I am going to have an Intrepid Class Vessel arrive via the Quantum Slipspace "Rivers"

I know it isn't that original, but I thought an Intrepid Class would make a good Ambassadorial Craft.

I think I am going to have an Intrepid Class Vessel arrive via the Quantum Slipspace "Rivers"

I know it isn't that original, but I thought an Intrepid Class would make a good Ambassadorial Craft.

Sounds great, now you just have to decide where it's gonna pop up.

Sounds great, now you just have to decide where it's gonna pop up.

I was thinking that a "River" from Earth to Coruscant would be good. That way, they meet the Borg as they are trying to gain access to Coruscant.

I was thinking that a "River" from Earth to Coruscant would be good. That way, they meet the Borg as they are trying to gain access to Coruscant.

perfect.

perfect.

I will wait until after 1010102 responds to TLO's hail.

I did.

And now the Federation arrives.

awesome

I've got to figure out a way to notate which factions are allied on the map.

1010102, i await youre response to the invasion of Dantooine. (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=488644&page=2)

"Red alert, Sheilds and Ablative Armor up, transphasic torpedoes active, I want a full spread targeted on that Borg vessel now."
Hmmm, if the Feds have Transphasic torpedoes and Ablative Armor at this point then that means the Borg have the modified nanoprobes and Species 8472 has had diplomatic relations with Janeway. I may need to rethink my strategy. Plus it means I can choose not to go to war against everyone I meet.

this is during the dominion war...Feds should not have Transphasic torpedoes and Ablative Armor....

this is during the dominion war...Feds should not have Transphasic torpedoes and Ablative Armor....

Ahhhh, sorry 'bout that, I will change my post then, I didn't follow DS9 that much, and focused on Voyager because of the sheer number of Borg Interactions. I will make sure that I use era tech from now on.

Updated Map. I'm having a few problems with color corruption, but that's to be expected when working with so many colors, small print and thins lines. I think I'm keeping it under control fairly well though.

EDIT: Here it is:
http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v629/squorn/?action=view&current=SWGalcticMap_edited.jpg

And with that, I'm out for the night. See you all later.

If no one's the CIS, can I have them?

CIS - Do you object to a Borg Task Force appearing over Geonosis?

CIS - Do you object to a Borg Task Force appearing over Geonosis?

by this time Geonosis has long been in Republic hands

this is during the dominion war...Feds should not have Transphasic torpedoes and Ablative Armor....
TBH, no deployable armor. However, during the Dominion War, hardpoint ablative armor was used. The Defiant, for example, had it as part of the hull.

But you are correct, no Transphasic Torpedoes until after the Dominion War.

by this time Geonosis has long been in Republic hands

Then where are the primary Droid Construction factories now?

This has to be fun times for the Republic. First Species 8472 shows up in Kuat. Then the Borg send 6 cubes to the same system. And now a Federation vessel is on it's way.

This has to be fun times for the Republic. First Species 8472 shows up in Kuat. Then the Borg send 6 cubes to the same system. And now a Federation vessel is on it's way.

An Akira-class heavy cruiser to be exact. Should be able to cause some damage to the borg.

An Akira-class heavy cruiser to be exact. Should be able to cause some damage to the borg.

But the Borg are now using fighters, thanks to the conquest of Adumar. You will be overwhelmed. Just hope TAP on the USS Jove over in Coruscant hears you and gets their intime.

But the Borg are now using fighters, thanks to the conquest of Adumar. You will be overwhelmed. Just hope TAP on the USS Jove over in Coruscant hears you and gets their intime.

You wouldn't really get much from Adumar, it was settled thousands of years before, and at this time, is still out of contact with the rest of the galaxy. They probably wouldn't even have Blade-28's yet.

How long did it take the Borg to conquer them? It's been a few days. They couldn't have conquered it.

Besides, Adumari blades are not as of yet space capable. This is almost thirty years or forty before the book. In addition, I doubt the borg would find anything else of interest from them. They would probably be rejected as useless.

How long did it take the Borg to conquer them? It's been a few days. They couldn't have conquered it.

Besides, Adumari blades are not as of yet space capable. This is almost thirty years or forty before the book. In addition, I doubt the borg would find anything else of interest from them. They would probably be rejected as useless.

Adumar would probably be asimillated since they would have considerable military production capabilities, however primitive, which could be adapted by the Borg.

But yeah, there's not much else they would gain from that conquest.

How long did it take the Borg to conquer them? It's been a few days. They couldn't have conquered it.

Besides, Adumari blades are not as of yet space capable. This is almost thirty years or forty before the book. In addition, I doubt the borg would find anything else of interest from them. They would probably be rejected as useless.

No, after the war with 8472, the Borg where Much Less picky, plus, the borg can adapt their opponents tech to meet their needs.

Adumar would probably be asimillated since they would have considerable military production capabilities, however primitive, which could be adapted by the Borg.

But yeah, there's not much else they would gain from that conquest.

Why I chose the Adumaris

1. nor contact with any one else
2. no space capable ships, yet massive production facilities
3. large enough population to increase my population
4. splintered, allowing me to take over Cartann and then the others
5. the blades, while not space capable, can be modified

No, after the war with 8472, the Borg where Much Less picky, plus, the borg can adapt their opponents tech to meet their needs.


Who says they're less picky?

Besides, you're claiming it took you days to conquer the entire planet and then build a small fleet of starfighters.

Who says they're less picky?

Besides, you're claiming it took you days to conquer the entire planet and then build a small fleet of starfighters.

To conquer Adumar, all I have to do is teleport vast numbers ogf Borg onto the planet, and wreak havok. It is not that hard, especially, seeing as the Borg make more of themselves, much the same way Zombies do, by close proximity to their enemies. So by teleporting them into high population areas, I can drastically increase the number of Borg, it is what I am doing on Dantooine. Plus, I didn't build the fighters. I modified them. Remeber, what takes humans weeks to do, the Borg can do in a few days due to their Hive Mind nature.

Personally, I would rather not see the Borg at all in this RP.

And I still object to so quickly a take-over of an entire planet.

Personally, I would rather not see the Borg at all in this RP.

And I still object to so quickly a take-over of an entire planet.

They reduced themselves to barbarism twice. Their tech is no where near that of the Republic. That is why it took me days instead of months. Dantooine is going to take forever. Plus, look at the El-Aurians, Guian once described the Borg as beng like a plague of Locusts, which devoured her homeworld. That implies a quick conquest.

i wounder where the Borg would get the idea that Fighters would be a good idea, and thus use some res to modify some "crappy" aircraft and make it a space ship

i wounder where the Borg would get the idea that Fighters would be a good idea, and thus use some res to modify some "crappy" aircraft and make it a space ship

Well think about it, they are new here, and assimilate a planet with thousands of small craft. Scanning the libraries, they discover the role of the fighter, and use it for themselves. Besides, mount a cutting beam on it, and you can overwhelm your enemy.

Well think about it, they are new here, and assimilate a planet with thousands of small craft. Scanning the libraries, they discover the role of the fighter, and use it for themselves. Besides, mount a cutting beam on it, and you can overwhelm your enemy.

It's debateable how effective those small cutting beams would be, but I think it is possible for the Borg to alter the Adumari fighters to make them space capable.

On another note, I've placed another wormhole at Kuat where the second Federation ship came from, and one in the Deep Core for the V'Ger.

It's debateable how effective those small cutting beams would be, but I think it is possible for the Borg to alter the Adumari fighters to make them space capable.

On another note, I've placed another wormhole at Kuat where the second Federation ship came from, and one in the Deep Core for the V'Ger.
Also remember that the Borg can function for a period of time in vacuum so they don't necessarily have to make them airtight, just capable of moving in space.

I don't think they would be very effective, since the fighters never do that much damage to the capital ships in the SW universe. Although with prolonged exposure they may be able to do some damage.

Also remember that the Borg can function for a period of time in vacuum so they don't necessarily have to make them airtight, just capable of moving in space.

I don't think they would be very effective, since the fighters never do that much damage to the capital ships in the SW universe. Although with prolonged exposure they may be able to do some damage.

Yeah.


Kuat looks very interesting on my map right now, one quarter red, one quarter green, one quarter teal and one quarter yellow.

Yeah.


Kuat looks very interesting on my map right now, one quarter red, one quarter green, one quarter teal and one quarter yellow.

It seems to be the focal point for Milky Way visitors. I wonder where the first SW ships will enter into the Milky Way.

Also remember that the Borg can function for a period of time in vacuum so they don't necessarily have to make them airtight, just capable of moving in space.

I don't think they would be very effective, since the fighters never do that much damage to the capital ships in the SW universe. Although with prolonged exposure they may be able to do some damage.

Really I am using them for two reasons

1,) lots more cutting beams mean more damage, even if it is small amounts, and their shields fall faster, allowing me to beam over Drones
2.) lots of targets, picking away at the enemy means that my opponents are going to be overwhelmed

Oh, and Squorn, if I assimilate your guys, expect my drones to start using Assimilation Darts and Wrist Launchers.

It seems to be the focal point for Milky Way visitors. I wonder where the first SW ships will enter into the Milky Way.

Well there is the one channel from Coruscant to Earth, and V'ger revealed the location of another. So we know that these two exist, now if we can just figure out where Kanli was originally to arrive at Kuat, we can figure out where that one leads.

EDIT: dang it, where is Harroland, I need to get a response to my attack on his space station. I have sent three TG's now, geez. And 1010102, we await your reaction at Dantooine.

It seems to be the focal point for Milky Way visitors. I wonder where the first SW ships will enter into the Milky Way.

So far we have a wormhole linking Delta Quadrant and the Unknown Regions, another linking Earth and Coruscant, one linking Kuat and another area of Federation space, and one linking the Deep Core with wherever V'Ger was. There will probably be one or two more before all is said and done, probably one in the "South" Rim near CIS systems, and possible another near the Mandalore Sector.

map updated:
http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v629/squorn/?action=view&current=SWGalcticMap_edited2.jpg

i wounder where the Borg would get the idea that Fighters would be a good idea, and thus use some res to modify some "crappy" aircraft and make it a space ship

Meh, in First Contact, the reveal the canon fact that Borg don't need atmosphere to survive. Ie, the whole scene on the Enterprise-E's deflector dish.

It's debateable how effective those small cutting beams would be, but I think it is possible for the Borg to alter the Adumari fighters to make them space capable.

On another note, I've placed another wormhole at Kuat where the second Federation ship came from, and one in the Deep Core for the V'Ger.

Actually, I decided that I would be near Kuat. Ie, what I said in my last IC post.

But, if you want me to change it, I will. Of course, I don't think even V'Ger could survive in the Deep Core. You do know that's where a GIANT black hole is, right?

So...as the CIS, which thread would still be avaliable to jump in on...

8472 meets the Republic? or Borg arrive at Coruscant? sorta depends on if you want to hit the Republic capital or hit Kuat

So...as the CIS, which thread would still be avaliable to jump in on...

You can even start a thread for an attack somewhere else, or even discovere a conduit to the milky way, and meet some of the very colorful locals.

Dang it Harroland, respond dang it

as for Dantooine, I will start a new thread, as 8472 meets republic has shifted to Kuat.

EDIT: Okay, here it is, The back stuff from Dantooine, transferred from 8472 meets the Republic, 1010102, We await your answer.

Dang it Harroland, respond dang it

as for Dantooine, I will start a new thread, as 8472 meets republic has shifted to Kuat.

EDIT: Okay, here it is, The back stuff from Dantooine, transferred from 8472 meets the Republic, 1010102, We await your answer.

TLO: you forgot the link (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11223629#post11223629)

Meh, in First Contact, the reveal the canon fact that Borg don't need atmosphere to survive. Ie, the whole scene on the Enterprise-E's deflector dish.



Actually, I decided that I would be near Kuat. Ie, what I said in my last IC post.

But, if you want me to change it, I will. Of course, I don't think even V'Ger could survive in the Deep Core. You do know that's where a GIANT black hole is, right?

Well, there are a few navigable areas in the Deep Core, such as a convoluted little path between Byss and Coruscant, but I'll move the V'Ger to Kuat. I was just trying to guess a good location with the Deep Core.

Ignore this, I am Compiling a list of stuff in the PADD I will give to 1010102

Earth (http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Earth)
Milky Way (http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Milky_Way_Galaxy)
Borg (http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Borg)
United Federation of Planets (http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Federation)

Alright, I'm hitting Dantooine at the same time as the Borg.

I have an idea. change into the empire before the clone wars are over! I will find the emperor's speach on the internet.

The CIS change to the Empire? But Sidious works really for the Republic...

Unless you mean the Republic.

Somewhere in the near future, I'm planning on linking a wormhole from a CIS sector to the Klingon Empire for kicks, as well.

The CIS change to the Empire? But Sidious works really for the Republic...

Unless you mean the Republic.

Somewhere in the near future, I'm planning on linking a wormhole from a CIS sector to the Klingon Empire for kicks, as well.
the rebublic. but the jedi will not be killed until after the war.

Oh, the republic. That makes sense. Actually, that would be good, then I could mount Dooku and Grievous into a central command for the CIS after they discover Sidious's true motives.

Oh, the republic. That makes sense. Actually, that would be good, then I could mount Dooku and Grievous into a central command for the CIS after they discover Sidious's true motives.

but instead of Anakin cutting mace's hand of having Anakin not even on the planet at the time so palpatine dies and i will have Jar-Jar become Suprme Chancelor! mesa say that this war is over.

JarJar as Chancellor?? The horror, the horror...

JarJar as Chancellor?? The horror, the horror...

don't worry mesa just kidding.

wait which one of us is gonna rp siddus? i man he leads the rebuplic and the CIS. so who gets him?

Thank God.

If i did chose him i would i would rp that apon hearing the news all the senators killed themselves in shock.

wait which one of us is gonna rp siddus? i man he leads the rebuplic and the CIS. so who gets him?
IIRC, the Old Republic had Palpatine and the C.I.S. had Sidious.

IIRC, the Old Republic had Palpatine and the C.I.S. had Sidious.

Yes, however, those two are, in fact, the same person. ;)

Yes, however, those two are, in fact, the same person. ;)

Meh, but who says that we have to?

The C.I.S. player can RP the Sidious side and the Old Republic player can RP the Palpatine side.

OOC: uh Jarvon, hold up there a little, UP and I are still waiting for the Republic to respond to my little incursion of their base (If 30 something Borg can be called an incursion)

Thus the wonder of a little thing known as Fluid Time.

Sorry I haven't been on for a while but my computer had some issues I had to correct.

i do not doubt ST tech it is however unable to match what SW can toss at it

What could a Star Destroyer ( for instance ) throw at a Starship cloaked with a Phase Cloak that would be able to even touch the Starship? Nothing I'm aware of.

That's what is known as a Phase Cloak, dude.

@NP: I might as well join in to show you ST tech doubters what ST tech can really do.

I know what it is called, I was only trying to prove that it is canon.

:sniper: I found a great web sit about this. WWW.StarDestroyer.net

Star Wars is better than star trek on so many different levels it isn't ever funny. Star Wars launched a world wide phenomenon that even now, 30 years after the first episode was released in theaters, is alive and well. I don't think anyone outside of the nerdiest clicks in the world. Star Wars reached out to everyone, not just the dorks of society and Star Trek, well, lets just say it didn't catch on with the rest of the world that didn't play Dugeons and Dragons untill odd hours of the night. In conclusion, Star Wars owns Star Trek and there should not have even been a debate about it to begin with.

Yes a federation ship may be able to out manever a deathstsar but can they go toe to toe with a star destroyer?They would have noy have nearly enough firepower and fighters would be on there ship in secounds.


Not if the ST ship is using one of the two mentioned cloaks



As for ground,what do you mean fail like crazY?and most stormtroopers are the clones that were before it.They recive extensive training.The armor support would be tremendous though.AT-AT,AT-STs,Fighter support.They would own any klingon force.The only thing in star tek that would be able to take out the empire is the borg.

I don't agree, ST does have canon star fighters, plus there is weapons that
have been outlawed in the Federation ... for example the Subspace weapons of the Son'a.

Star Wars is better than star trek on so many different levels it isn't ever funny. Star Wars launched a world wide phenomenon that even now, 30 years after the first episode was released in theaters, is alive and well. I don't think anyone outside of the nerdiest clicks in the world. Star Wars reached out to everyone, not just the dorks of society and Star Trek, well, lets just say it didn't catch on with the rest of the world that didn't play Dugeons and Dragons untill odd hours of the night. In conclusion, Star Wars owns Star Trek and there should not have even been a debate about it to begin with.


That is one opinion ... prove it

That is one opinion ... prove it

Yeah, there is a debate thread for that, please move that there. This is ST meets SW, please do not post your debate here.

Yeah, there is a debate thread for that, please move that there. This is ST meets SW, please do not post your debate here.

I'm with TAP on that. I would have posted something myself, but he beat me to it.

Meh, shame you didn't throw the Stargate universe into the mix.

Meh, shame you didn't throw the Stargate universe into the mix.

first if it were humans they would get pwned, if it were asgard pwned, gouol pwned,relicators,pwnded, wraith pwned,ancients stalemate.

first if it were humans they would get pwned, if it were asgard pwned, gouol pwned,relicators,pwnded, wraith pwned,ancients stalemate.

Meh, I agree with some.

The Taur'i, using original tech, would not last very long, but then they got upgraded. After the upgrade, I would put them on par with somewhere between pre-Anubis and post-Anubis Goa'uld. Still, would kick the butt of a lot of SW tech ships before being overwhelmed, if it ever happens.

Goa'uld, pre-Anubis, ehh, might not survive, but would go down fighting and take a lot of enemies with them. Post-Anubis, well, would take even more down with them, but less likely of being destroyed.

Asgard, meh, they kicked a lot of butt, so I would say it would be an interesting fight decided mainly by the skill of the RPers involved.

Replicators, they were able to kick Asgard butt. Less advanced SW tech would be easy pickings.

Ancients, pre-ascension, easy win for them. Post-ascension, would be somewhat of a GM like someone using the Q.

Ehh, I'm going to stay out of this debate. Can we get back to the IC RPing now?

Ehh, I'm going to stay out of this debate. Can we get back to the IC RPing now?
Agreed. Republic, what is your response to the Borg incursion to your shipyards, the Federation hail, and 2 Species 8472 ships heading for one of your destroyers, and 6 more looking to land in your shipyard's landing bay?

Agreed. Republic, what is your response to the Borg incursion to your shipyards, the Federation hail, and 2 Species 8472 ships heading for one of your destroyers, and 6 more looking to land in your shipyard's landing bay?

Where is Nebarri Prime, he is playing as the Republic here isn't he?

Where is Nebarri Prime, he is playing as the Republic here isn't he?

NP is playing as the Jedi with one character in particular.

I believe there are two people playing the republic, although I can't come up with names at the moment.

EDIT: One of them is 1010102

1010102 is, but not sure of the other yeah.
I thought 1010102 had the battle at Kuat.

1010102 is, but not sure of the other yeah.
I thought 1010102 had the battle at Kuat.

Nah, NP is the one RP'ing at Kuat.

And Harroland, come here now! I want a response to the Borg Invasion of Chiss Territory.

EDIT: Okay, I have given up on Harroland, anyone want to take over for the Chiss so I can RP my attack on the Chiss Station?

Nah, NP is the one RP'ing at Kuat.

And Harroland, come here now! I want a response to the Borg Invasion of Chiss Territory.

EDIT: Okay, I have given up on Harroland, anyone want to take over for the Chiss so I can RP my attack on the Chiss Station?

I could do that, as my Mando's don't have much to do yet. However, I don't know much about the Chiss, so I'll have to do a bit of research on that if I'm to RP them properly.

I could do that, as my Mando's don't have much to do yet. However, I don't know much about the Chiss, so I'll have to do a bit of research on that if I'm to RP them properly.

Let Me know when you are ready, and I will start a thread

EDIT: I found this, it should help http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Chiss

1010102, Captain Radich is waiting for you to respond to his briefing at http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=488819&page=2

Let Me know when you are ready, and I will start a thread

EDIT: I found this, it should help http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Chiss

Wookiepedia is in my favorites list. ;)

So, has the 'Species 8472 meets the Republic' thread died or what? It used to be moving quite rapidly, now, its not seen a post in two days.

I'm planning on posting soon after I complete some more research on SW /ST facts

Did you watch star trek? The Federation flagship in the Dominion War had about 6 shuttlecraft with one phaser and warp 7 or something a piece.


That doesn't change the fact that they do exist

Most starships only have about 2 or 3 phasers, the only one that I can think of that's comperable to what your talking about is the Defiant class, and there were only 2 built, and they both were destroyed.


I can build more

the open circle armada had around 2000-3000 Venator Star destroyers at the beginning of revenge of the Sith. There are 4 armadas total. 20 sector fleets and 5 sector fleets to an armada. that puts the number of Ventor SDs at anywhere from 10000-15000 Ventors in the entire republic Navy. this force would crush the any ST force.


That sounds like a Godmod fleet to me

So, has the 'Species 8472 meets the Republic' thread died or what? It used to be moving quite rapidly, now, its not seen a post in two days.
I posted yesterday, it's hard though. For some reason my subscription to the thread is gone and won't come back, so I never know when a new post comes.

I'm not sure. Since Species 8472 comes form a completly different dimension, maybe their presence would be felt as a disturbance in the force. Something that doesn't belong.

Or they might not be felt at all

Or they might not be felt at all
When contact was established it was roleplayed that the Jedi who encountered them felt that there was no force in the creature, that it was untouched by the force.

I think the battle at Kuat is nearing it's end. The Borg have fled, the Federatioon have run from V'Ger, and Species 8472 has pulled out of the system to see what the cloud that contains V'Ger is going to do. All that remains is what the 30 Borg in the Republic shipyard are going to do and what V'Ger will do. Will it digitize the Republic, or is it still intent on the Borg and Species 8472?

Tune in to the next exciting episode of Species 8472 meets the Republic (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11269626#post11269626) to find out.

Yeah, there is a debate thread for that, please move that there. This is ST meets SW, please do not post your debate here.

I was answering his post ... period

When contact was established it was roleplayed that the Jedi who encountered them felt that there was no force in the creature, that it was untouched by the force.

I think the battle at Kuat is nearing it's end. The Borg have fled, the Federatioon have run from V'Ger, and Species 8472 has pulled out of the system to see what the cloud that contains V'Ger is going to do. All that remains is what the 30 Borg in the Republic shipyard are going to do and what V'Ger will do. Will it digitize the Republic, or is it still intent on the Borg and Species 8472?

Tune in to the next exciting episode of Species 8472 meets the Republic (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11269626#post11269626) to find out.


Vger's God was a member of the Human race from Earth so I'm sure he will make sure Vger will defend the Federation.

Futher I would like to remind you all of TINMAN & of the Traveler from TNG. Wesley Crusher is now a traveller himself, do you think he will not use his skill for the Federation?

Vger's God was a member of the Human race from Earth so I'm sure he will make sure Vger will defend the Federation.
You should check out the forum where we're RPing this encounter. We've established that V'Ger has been alone for a century and after merging with Decker its personnality has changed considerably.

Futher I would like to remind you all of TINMAN
What about Tin Man? It was what Starfleet referred to the living spaceship that referred to itself as Gomtuu. What does it have to do with anything?

You should check out the forum where we're RPing this encounter. We've established that V'Ger has been alone for a century and after merging with Decker its personnality has changed considerably.

Oh so you say that Decker has forgotten his birth place. I don't think so,
it seems to me that anything of ST that might have a chance to cause damage to SW units are being undermined.

Futher I would like to remind you all of TINMAN & of the Traveler from TNG. Wesley Crusher is now a traveller himself, do you think he will not use his skill for the Federation?
We agreed earlier that to prevent Godmoding, that the various "omnipotent races in ST would be left out. Since Q, the traveller, ect. could wipe out all the forces of SW with little effort, they were deemed unfair to use.

V'Ger was only in, because he said he'd tone down the power a bit, making it so the digitized torpedoes took a couple hits instead of working with one.

What about Tin Man? It was what Starfleet referred to the living spaceship that referred to itself as Gomtuu. What does it have to do with anything?


The man who left on Tinman was from Troys world, he would do what he could to defend the Federation.

What about the AI Missiles found by Voyager?

Oh so you say that Decker has forgotten his birth place. I don't think so,
it seems to me that anything of ST that might have a chance to cause damage to SW units are being undermined.
I'm a Star Trek geek to, but they have been undermined because the powers of ST just are too powerful to have in a decent RP. Besides this isn't ST vs SW, it's ST meets SW, so war isn't the necessary end to these encounters.

We agreed earlier that to prevent Godmoding, that the various "omnipotent races in ST would be left out. Since Q, the traveller, ect. could wipe out all the forces of SW with little effort, they were deemed unfair to use.

V'Ger was only in, because he said he'd tone down the power a bit, making it so the digitized torpedoes took a couple hits instead of working with one.


Oh but 10's of thousands of Star Destroyers are fair? I don't think so.

What about the AI Missiles found by Voyager?
Those would be allowed, but they would have to be told to target the SW by their creeators, only the one seemed to respond to diplomacy and that took to long to make them all that effective to get them to join.

I'm a Star Trek geek to, but they have been undermined because the powers of ST just are too powerful to have in a decent RP. Besides this isn't ST vs SW, it's ST meets SW, so war isn't the necessary end to these encounters.

We both know that the Federation would try for first contact and friendly
relations before anything even considering war. That is a CANON fact! But it
doesn't sound like a peaceful solution is even being considered here.

Don't get me wrong here I like ST and SW, I use ships and equipment from both universes in Kormanthor's Fleet. I also sell both on my store fronts.

Those would be allowed, but they would have to be told to target the SW by their creeators, only the one seemed to respond to diplomacy and that took to long to make them all that effective to get them to join.

I'm sure the Federation because of Voyager's database could build similar
weapons that could be controlled by the Federation.

We both know that the Federation would try for first contact and friendly
relations before anything even considering war. That is a CANON fact! But it
doesn't sound like a peaceful solution is even being considered here.
I'll direct you to the various threads that have spawned off of this.
The Borg and Species 8472 were the first to meet SW forces, and they ended in conflicts, but in all encounters involving the Federation the end result has been diplomatic contact, even Species 8472, recognizing the Federation because of Voyager has not continued to attack the SW forces because of the idea of peace.

I'm sure the Federation because of Voyager's database could build similar
weapons that could be controlled by the Federation.
It is possible, but they don't seem to be weapons that are the Federation's style. The Cardassians would use them, but they already have their dreadnaught missles.

We agreed earlier that to prevent Godmoding, that the various "omnipotent races in ST would be left out. Since Q, the traveller, ect. could wipe out all the forces of SW with little effort, they were deemed unfair to use.

V'Ger was only in, because he said he'd tone down the power a bit, making it so the digitized torpedoes took a couple hits instead of working with one.
Actually, its more canon than that. If you watch the first movie, you'll note the shields of the Enterprise class U.S.S. Enterprise NCC-1701 (post-refit and upgrade from Constitution class), the Digitizer Torpedo that hit the shields drained the shields but left the ship itself unharmed.

@Kormanthor: Decker and V'Ger merged together into a new being. They aren't seperate entities, but a brand new one.

It is possible, but they don't seem to be weapons that are the Federation's style. The Cardassians would use them, but they already have their dreadnaught missles.

It is true that the Federation would not normally use such weapons, but
remembering Wolf 359 I believe that if a huge invasion force was travelling to
Earth for conquest. Then I believe the Federation council would authorize there use to save the Federation.

Section 31 would send a small attack force to an invading fleet... Watch DS9 and you'll know what that is.

Actually, its more canon than that. If you watch the first movie, you'll note the shields of the Enterprise class U.S.S. Enterprise NCC-1701 (post-refit and upgrade from Constitution class), the Digitizer Torpedo that hit the shields drained the shields but left the ship itself unharmed.

@Kormanthor: Decker and V'Ger merged together into a new being. They aren't seperate entities, but a brand new one.

One who would surely hold Earth in high esteam because Earth made it's very existance possible.

Section 31 would send a small attack force to an invading fleet... Watch DS9 and you'll know what that is.

Also, exactly where is the thread for the (actual) RP and can you post a link?


I know about Section 31, in fact I was thinking of making the USS Freedom a Section 31 Starship.

Hey i know it might REALLY complicate things, but I have several ideas.....could i join this as the Alliance as seen in DS9 (The Klingons, Bajorans and Cardassians that is) or is this closed?!

Regarding the Battle of Dantooine...


There jus t happened to be 20,000 clones, plus Master Windu, there, huh? Whoa. What a strange coincidence. :rolleyes:

I'd like to elect we remove the Republic player for blatant god modding.

One who would surely hold Earth in high esteam because Earth made it's very existance possible.

Why not try letting me RP for myself instead of telling me what my character would be like after merging the original with Decker AND almost a century of isolation.

I know about Section 31, in fact I was thinking of making the USS Freedom a Section 31 Starship.

Then stop whining and post IC'ly in the IC threads.

Hey i know it might REALLY complicate things, but I have several ideas.....could i join this as the Alliance as seen in DS9 (The Klingons, Bajorans and Cardassians that is) or is this closed?!

The Cardassians didn't switch sides and join the Klingon, Romulan, Federation Alliance until the end of the war. But even then, it was the Cardassian Rebellion against the Dominion and not part of the Alliance.

Regarding the Battle of Dantooine...


There jus t happened to be 20,000 clones, plus Master Windu, there, huh? Whoa. What a strange coincidence. :rolleyes:

I'd like to elect we remove the Republic player for blatant god modding.

NOTE the there were 20,000 there in the actual battle of dantonine. master widow was there.

Why not try letting me RP for myself instead of telling me what my character would be like after merging the original with Decker AND almost a century of isolation.



Then stop whining and post IC'ly in the IC threads.



The Cardassians didn't switch sides and join the Klingon, Romulan, Federation Alliance until the end of the war. But even then, it was the Cardassian Rebellion against the Dominion and not part of the Alliance.


Why is it when other people make their thoughts known it's cool, but when I do I'm supposedly whining. Personally I would like to allow you to run your character however you wish. I wasn't the one who required the characters and equipment to be canon.

I would have posted ICly already if my computer hadn't went down. I will
post soon as I can. I only ask that you return the favor and let me run my character & ship like I wish.

Would you mind if I start a new ST vs SW thread or are you just going to continue the existing threads?

Would you mind if I start a new ST vs SW thread or are you just going to continue the existing threads?

Once my situation with Kuat is half-way resolved, I am going to start a new one over Kashyyk, so go ahead. Also, anyone know how many ships the collective had, I think someone posted it, but I am not totally sure about the number of Cubes, Spheres, etc.

Regarding the Battle of Dantooine...


There jus t happened to be 20,000 clones, plus Master Windu, there, huh? Whoa. What a strange coincidence. :rolleyes:

I'd like to elect we remove the Republic player for blatant god modding.

Dantooine is the site of an old Jedi Enclave, and a failry major world in the Old Republic. It would make sence for it to be fairly well defended.

Let Me know when you are ready, and I will start a thread

EDIT: I found this, it should help http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Chiss

You can go ahead and start a Borg vs. Chiss thread. I'll pick that up since Harroland seems to have disappeared.

You can go ahead and start a Borg vs. Chiss thread. I'll pick that up since Harroland seems to have disappeared.

Will do, just so you know, it will start off at some small colony near the edge of Chiss Space.

Also, to any and all, I have created a new Grouping for FT, called the Conventus Alliance, If you wish to take part, please click on the link. http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=490059

The Cardassians didn't switch sides and join the Klingon, Romulan, Federation Alliance until the end of the war. But even then, it was the Cardassian Rebellion against the Dominion and not part of the Alliance.
If I'm not mistaken, he's refering to the Alliance between those powers that existed in the mirror universe before the terran rebellion got up and running again.

Why is it when other people make their thoughts known it's cool, but when I do I'm supposedly whining. Personally I would like to allow you to run your character however you wish. I wasn't the one who required the characters and equipment to be canon.
I think it may have something to do with the fact that although there initially was a debate over whether ST or SW was better and about the various races involved, we have since gotten over that and agreed on the ground rules for our RP, and now you come in and are trying to start the argument up again. Yes, the most powerful races of ST were omitted and that does weaken the power of the Milky Way powers, but we agreed (ST and SW fans alike) not to include them because there is no way to roleplay them in any fair way. (You try beating up Q, even with the thousands of star destroyers the Republic has)

No one said you were whining, but when you come in and begin to dig up the bones of the earlier debate it becomes annoying, because what we want now is a good Role-play, not a discussion about how it's unfair to not include some things because they are the power to destroy the other.


Oh, and by the way. I think Jarvon is doing a good job of RPing V'Ger. After all, V'Ger hated the idea of its god being a biological organism. It was hoping it would be a machine like itself. Also Decker didn't want to join with V'Ger so much as he wanted to join with the its probe that had been created using Ilia, his love. At the time he joined he still pretty much hated Kirk, which could have translated into a hating of humanity after the merger (look what happened to Nomad. The two directives (search for new life-forms and to sterilize soil samples) while benign in origin, became a deadly combination when merged. Just because we know what the two individuals were before the merge, does not mean we know what it is after.

I would have posted ICly already if my computer hadn't went down. I will
post soon as I can. I only ask that you return the favor and let me run my character & ship like I wish.

Meh, TBH, I could care less how you run your ship and/or character(s), but only so long as you keep them true to form (as in Federation characters not acting like Cardassians, et cetera).

Once my situation with Kuat is half-way resolved, I am going to start a new one over Kashyyk, so go ahead. Also, anyone know how many ships the collective had, I think someone posted it, but I am not totally sure about the number of Cubes, Spheres, etc.



Borg (140,000 total ships):
50,000 Spheres
20,000 Cubes
10,000 Probes
60,000 Tactical Cubes

I'm planning a thread I'm calling; Section 31 Infiltrates The Empire

The Cardassians didn't switch sides and join the Klingon, Romulan, Federation Alliance until the end of the war. But even then, it was the Cardassian Rebellion against the Dominion and not part of the Alliance.

No no no, i meant the Alliance as seen in the mirror universe....the one that destroyed the Terran Empire and took control of the Alpha Quardrant?!?!


If I'm not mistaken, he's refering to the Alliance between those powers that existed in the mirror universe before the terran rebellion got up and running again.

Completely right....did the terran rebellion ever get any further?! I have lost track to two universes?!

I'm planning a thread I'm calling; Section 31 Infiltrates The Empire

There is no Empire yet, and TAP is already at Coruscant, so.

No no no, i meant the Alliance as seen in the mirror universe....the one that destroyed the Terran Empire and took control of the Alpha Quardrant?!?!




Completely right....did the terran rebellion ever get any further?! I have lost track to two universes?!
Well the Terrans did manage to take Terok Nor from the Alliance, and they built a Defiant using specs from our universe. I'm going to assume that they will end up with cloaking technology for it too since they captured the Regent's (Worf's) ship which had a Klingon cloaking device (form our universe) onboard.

Jarvon was going to RP the Terrans of the mirror universe before he decided to go with V'Ger, so I don't see why you couldn't RP the Alliance. You'd have to come up with a reasonable way for them to get here though. (Most of us are using the idea that slipsteam currents have formed between the galaxies pulling any vessels that encounter them into the other.)

When you get your idea post it in here and we can see if it it'll work.

Borg (139,993 total ships):
50,000 Spheres
19,997 Cubes
09,998 Probes
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Ship list updated to reflect everything that has happened so far.

Squorn, here is the Chiss-Borg thread: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/newthread.php?do=newthread&f=1230

Ship list updated to reflect everything that has happened so far.

Squorn, here is the Chiss-Borg thread: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/newthread.php?do=newthread&f=1230


This link needs checked, it transfered me to a " Post New Thread " page.

Yeah, I wouldn't mind having the Relativity on my side.
How about the Krenim. Remember the time-ship. It was phased out of normal time so conventional weapons couldn't hurt it. Then it used the big gun on the front to simply erase it's enemies from ever existing.

Becareful when you use time travel as part of the thread because Indra
could get involved. Indra is one of my oldest friends on Nationstates so I would back him up if need be.

Death Star, need I say more?

The most powerful battlestation that had ever been constructed at the time was destroyed by two squadrons of snubfighters.

In the same way, a small SW force could destroy a much larger ST ship, since most ST ships lack fighter complements and many point defense guns, this makes them amazingly vulnerable to TRD.

Remember the fighters on Nememis, the Enterprise took one, do you think that the Federation couldn't reverse engineer them?

well, the targeting of ST ships is over rated. i have seen many times a large warship fire at smaller fighter sized ships and fail to hit them. and for the sake of this RP i do think that should be followed. as fighter attacks are a key part of SW, even the Venator is based on that idea.

Show me your canon proof on your claims

Section 31 Infiltrates the Empire has been posted, here is the link:

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=490583

Becareful when you use time travel as part of the thread because Indra
could get involved. Indra is one of my oldest friends on Nationstates so I would back him up if need be.

Sorry, no he wouldn't be able to. This is a sign-up only RP that does not take place in the standard FT NS universe. Thus, unless IP decides to sign up, he won't be able to participate in any of the IC threads related to this OOC/Sign-up Thread.

Remember the fighters on Nememis, the Enterprise took one, do you think that the Federation couldn't reverse engineer them?

The Scorpion class ground attack craft is poorly designed to be a fighter. Its more like an armed escape pod if its used in that manner. Besides, the Federation already had its own real fighter class as seen during the Dominon War arc on DS9.

Sorry, no he wouldn't be able to. This is a sign-up only RP that does not take place in the standard FT NS universe. Thus, unless IP decides to sign up, he won't be able to participate in any of the IC threads related to this OOC/Sign-up Thread.



The Scorpion class ground attack craft is poorly designed to be a fighter. Its more like an armed escape pod if its used in that manner. Besides, the Federation already had its own real fighter class as seen during the Dominon War arc on DS9.


I will check the ST Fighters out, I haven't seen them yet I don't believe. I am aware of one called the Valkyie that was in a Play Station Game I believe,
but I wasn't sure it would be considered canon. I also wasn't aware that the Scorpion was classed as a ground attack craft, I just thought it was very cool looking.

I will check the ST Fighters out, I haven't seen them yet I don't believe. I am aware of one called the Valkyie that was in a Play Station Game I believe,
but I wasn't sure it would be considered canon.

Watch the DS9 epsiode involing the retaking of DS9 from the Dominion. You see those small ships that look like flying wings? Those are referred to as fighters in the dialouge, but I've seen various and sometimes conflicting class names.

Watch the DS9 epsiode involing the retaking of DS9 from the Dominion. You see those small ships that look like flying wings? Those are referred to as fighters in the dialouge, but I've seen various and sometimes conflicting class names.

Oh Ok

Doctor Who rules O.K

Here is a picture of the Valkyie:

http://usera.imagecave.com/Kormanthor/fighter_valkyrie.jpg


This is the fighter that I will employ in my new thread.

Here is a picture of the Valkyie:

http://usera.imagecave.com/Kormanthor/fighter_valkyrie.jpg


This is the fighter that I will employ in my new thread.

I thought NP had stipulated canon, so we'll have to wait on him to get back on that (though I consider most of the ST books as the same canon due to the way they are intertwined with various episodes).

Doctor Who rules O.K

NSUP, that post was off-topic. This is not an OOC 'Vs' thread, but an OOC and Sign-Up thread for an RP arc seperate from the normal NS FT universe.

Their are very few " Canon " facts about Section 31, so how about giving me a break and judge Section 31 Infiltrates The Empire on my creativity, research and writting ability.

Their are very few " Canon " facts about Section 31, so how about giving me a break and judge Section 31 Infiltrates The Empire on my creativity, research and writting ability.

Not only were there several DS9 episodes regarding Section 31, there were also several books that tied into the storyline. Hell, there was even a Section 31 book series that spanned from the TOS era to Nem era.

So, don't give me that lack of canon fact excuse, do research and you'll find it.

If need be, I can also get you the name of the books in the Section 31 books series.

Not only where there several DS9 episodes regarding Section 31, there were also several books that tied into the storyline. Hell, there was even a Section 31 book series that spanned from the TOS era to Nem era.

So, don't give me that lack of canon fact excuse, do research and you'll find it.

If need be, I can also get you the name of the books in the Section 31 books series.
Technically the books aren't canon, but yeah I understand where you're coming from.

Technically the books aren't canon, but yeah I understand where you're coming from.

IMHO, books fall under two levels of canon. One is for books that intertwined with on-screen stuff (as in books that have stories merged with an episode or movie), then those sub-verse books that use canon elements to write a good story.

Now, I've not read the S31 books, but I've heard they go a great deal into the S31 backstory.

Oh, and I forget to mention the S31 from the Enterprise episode(s).

Show me your canon proof on your claims

Sure thing.

Bird of Prey repeatedly misses a 600 metre long ship which is flying in a straight line (Star Trek: Generations), DS9 misses a Klingon heavy carrier which is flying in a straight line ("Way of the Warrior"), the Defiant repeatedly misses the 500 metre long USS Lakota ("Paradise Lost") which is flying in what appears to be a straight line, a Dominion battleship repeatedly misses the 130 metre long USS Valiant ("Valiant"), and a mirror-universe Klingon battle cruiser repeatedly misses the 130 metre long Defiant ("Shattered Mirror").

That enough canon proof of ST accuracy leaving a little to be desired?

Sure thing.

Bird of Prey repeatedly misses a 600 metre long ship which is flying in a straight line (Star Trek: Generations), DS9 misses a Klingon heavy carrier which is flying in a straight line ("Way of the Warrior"), the Defiant repeatedly misses the 500 metre long USS Lakota ("Paradise Lost") which is flying in what appears to be a straight line, a Dominion battleship repeatedly misses the 130 metre long USS Valiant ("Valiant"), and a mirror-universe Klingon battle cruiser repeatedly misses the 130 metre long Defiant ("Shattered Mirror").

That enough canon proof of ST accuracy leaving a little to be desired?

No, that's canon evidence of plot devices and story enhancements.

Now, for an example.

Put yourself in the shoes of the Regency One (the Mirror Klingon ship you referred to). A good comparison would be like you trying to use a rifle, an AK-47, for instance, with one hand to shoot a fly that's flying a mere centimeter away from your body. You not only have to avoid hitting yourself, but you also have to deal with the fly's agility. Now, while the fly (ie, Mirror Defiant) wouldn't have as powerful weapons, they still have higher rate of fire.

IMHO, books fall under two levels of canon. One is for books that intertwined with on-screen stuff (as in books that have stories merged with an episode or movie), then those sub-verse books that use canon elements to write a good story.

No, no ST books are regarded as canon. There were two that one of the executive producers tried to declare as canon ['Mosaic' and 'Pathways,' and God what a coicidence, she happened to have written those two] but they're so apparently so wince-inducingly poor nobody in their right mind agrees.

There's very little regarded as actual canon in ST: the Encyclopedia and tech manuals have been described as non-canon 'speculation' by their own publishers, and the books aren't.

No, that's canon evidence of plot devices and story enhancements.

Suspension of disbelief says it's canon evidence of poor accuracy. We don't step outside the universe's own 'reality' unless we have absolutely no choice but to.

Put yourself in the shoes of the Regency One (the Mirror Klingon ship you referred to). A good comparison would be like you trying to use a rifle, an AK-47, for instance, with one hand to shoot a fly that's flying a mere centimeter away from your body.

You think hitting a 130m ship is like hitting a fly with an AK-47? That's basically a concession that the targeting of Fed ships is relatively poor; in a similar situation, the Executor actually did hit one of the two miniscule A-wings making a run for her bridge!

Dude, you're arguing Star Trek with a Star Trek Master. Not a good idea. I'm one of those rare people who know almost everything about there choosen topic, and what they don't know they can find out.

Oh, and I said that I consider the books canon. That's personal opinion.

Now, can we just drop it. I'm sick and tired of all this debate about Star Trek and everything else! Lets just get back to RPing and having fun.

Dude, you're arguing Star Trek with a Star Trek Master. Not a good idea. I'm one of those rare people who know almost everything about there choosen topic, and what they don't know they can find out.

So aside from posturing, do you have a rebuttal to what I said, or a concession that it does indeed point to canon examples of poor accuracy?

Oh, and I said that I consider the books canon. That's personal opinion.

Canon is what Paramount says is canon, not what you say is canon.

Dude, you're arguing Star Trek with a Star Trek Master. Not a good idea. I'm one of those rare people who know almost everything about there choosen topic, and what they don't know they can find out.

Oh, and I said that I consider the books canon. That's personal opinion.

Now, can we just drop it. I'm sick and tired of all this debate about Star Trek and everything else! Lets just get back to RPing and having fun.
Personally I would like to be able to consider some of the books canon, but paramount says that only the episodes (only live action, not the animated series) and the movies are canon so they are really the only true source.

I agree though, lets get back to the RP

Waitin' for you at Dantooine, 1010102

Ladies and Gentlemen, I would appreciate it enormously if some, if not all of you could see your way clear to take part in " Section 31 Infiltrates the Empire “ Heres the link:

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=490583

but the Empire doesn't exist yet. It's the CIS and Republic

but the Empire doesn't exist yet. It's the CIS and Republic


It does in my thread, UP has said go for it. So please guys, I need to see some posts in there .

Sure thing.

Bird of Prey repeatedly misses a 600 metre long ship which is flying in a straight line (Star Trek: Generations), DS9 misses a Klingon heavy carrier which is flying in a straight line ("Way of the Warrior"), the Defiant repeatedly misses the 500 metre long USS Lakota ("Paradise Lost") which is flying in what appears to be a straight line, a Dominion battleship repeatedly misses the 130 metre long USS Valiant ("Valiant"), and a mirror-universe Klingon battle cruiser repeatedly misses the 130 metre long Defiant ("Shattered Mirror").

That enough canon proof of ST accuracy leaving a little to be desired?


Actually I believe there is more canon proof of good accuracy then bad.

IMHO, books fall under two levels of canon. One is for books that intertwined with on-screen stuff (as in books that have stories merged with an episode or movie), then those sub-verse books that use canon elements to write a good story.

Now, I've not read the S31 books, but I've heard they go a great deal into the S31 backstory.

Oh, and I forget to mention the S31 from the Enterprise episode(s).


I didn't say there wasn't any canon facts on Section 31, I said there isn't
very much. So why don't you lighten up Jarvon, what have I ever done to you to deserve this heavy handed attitude I'm getting from you?

Dude, you're arguing Star Trek with a Star Trek Master. Not a good idea. I'm one of those rare people who know almost everything about there choosen topic, and what they don't know they can find out.

Oh, and I said that I consider the books canon. That's personal opinion.

Now, can we just drop it. I'm sick and tired of all this debate about Star Trek and everything else! Lets just get back to RPing and having fun.

Just remember Jarvon, you are not the " ONLY " Master Trekkie " out there. I also consider the books canon, and even though this post may not have been aimed at me. I thought I would answer it to show you that we do agree on somethings.

Suspension of disbelief says it's canon evidence of poor accuracy. We don't step outside the universe's own 'reality' unless we have absolutely no choice but to.

Then, according to your own logic, stormtroopers can't hit the broad side of a barn. So much for the elite troops of the Empire.

Then, according to your own logic, stormtroopers can't hit the broad side of a barn. So much for the elite troops of the Empire.
why? Often in canon sources, stormies have decent accuracy, books or otherwise

why? Often in canon sources, stormies have decent accuracy, books or otherwise


Movies, however, are considred the highest source of canon. And in the movies they can't hit shit.

Movies, however, are considred the highest source of canon. And in the movies they can't hit shit.

Lets just agree to disagree ...ok?

Movies, however, are considred the highest source of canon. And in the movies they can't hit shit.
Really? how bout in ESB? They're hittin' a lot.