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Star Wars vs. Star Trek RP interest thread.

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Nebarri_Prime
16-06-2006, 01:05
This is not a SW vs. ST in general. Its more a SW meets ST. somehow the two Galaxies and times merge together(so Earth and Coruscant are now in the same galaxy and such, possibly important to some of the factions/characters plot lines would be to figure out how to fix this) the timeline sets ST in the middle of the dominion war and SW in the clone wars. There can be any faction that exists up to this time used. So with that in place fighting takes place new encounters are made and things happen


I personally would rather have this be a character RP. With the use of existing characters or made up ones though this is open for discussion. Based on tech data and provided info ST ships take much longer times to travel across the galaxy and have far weaker weapons(to the point that a Galaxy class is worth about the same as the Slave I) so both of them will be boosted to make heavy ST warships a mach for SW ones and allow faster travel in RPs


So what do you think? Interested?

Btw my spelling and grammar kind suck so work with me if you can

for a link to one of the IC threads look down

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11201317#post11201317

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11201454#post11201454
A New Deutschland
16-06-2006, 01:06
I was thinking someone would start an RP like this. It would be interesting to see the two mix, I suppose.
Franberry
16-06-2006, 01:08
OOC: WARNING, this will become a flamefest, the two technologies are not compatible, continue at your own risk. Again, this will become a flamefest
A New Deutschland
16-06-2006, 01:09
OOC: WARNING, this will become a flamefest, the two technologies are not compatible, continue at your own risk. Again, this will become a flamefest

What's a flamefest? :confused:
Nebarri_Prime
16-06-2006, 01:12
OOC: WARNING, this will become a flamefest, the two technologies are not compatible, continue at your own risk. Again, this will become a flamefest

i'm willing to take the risk

What's a flamefest? :confused:

its when people continue to argue over little bits of things they disagree on
1010102
16-06-2006, 01:14
what would be better would be federation vs.the empire
A New Deutschland
16-06-2006, 01:14
i'm willing to take the risk



its when people continue to argue over little bits of things they disagree on

Thanks for the explanation of the word, flamefest.
Nebarri_Prime
16-06-2006, 01:17
what would be better would be federation vs.the empire

must i explain why that would not even begin to be fair?
Liberated New Ireland
16-06-2006, 01:20
must i explain why that would not even begin to be fair?
Yes, absolutely. ;)
Franberry
16-06-2006, 01:21
must i explain why that would not even begin to be fair?
here we go
1010102
16-06-2006, 01:25
because it would make this rp less of a flamefest if possible.
I will explain it with 4 points.

1. each side would be to busy fighting amongst themselves to fight each other.

2. there are hundreds if not thousands of different factions in the to univeres. you would need to pick atleast two factions to make it work.

3. star trek is star trek's main faction thats in every single episode. in star wars the empire/republic is in every single movie.

4. Star Trek sucks!

That concludes today's leason. What did you learn?

or you can see what the people at www.stardestroyer.net
Nebarri_Prime
16-06-2006, 01:26
well, for one the Federation has about 5,000 ships in its fleet tops(this includes shuttles andother small craft) the Empire has 15-25 thousand Star Destroyers and about 10ish smaller capital ships for each of them. not to mention the vast number of fighters the Empire has....

on land(even with transporters on ST side) the Empire has tanks armored troops, much better tactics. and a much more vast army...as well as more then just light arms for there troops
1010102
16-06-2006, 01:29
i have a solution to this problem:

have the main factions from the ST universe form an alliance with each other to take on the empire.
The Aeson
16-06-2006, 01:37
I want to see the Borg vs the Empire myself. And none of this bull about them not being able to absorb Star Wars tech because it's too different, either. For the last time, 8472 was genetically immune! And they couldn't assimilate the ships because it was biotech! So maybe you could make the claim for the Yuhazon Vong. But not the Imps, Rebels, or any of the other factions.

Rant finished now.
Squornshelous
16-06-2006, 01:42
Okay, enough ranting and argument. This isn't a discussion thread, it's an RP interest thread. The people who want to participate should be people who accept that certain compromises can be made for the sake of good RP.

With that said, I would like to state my interest in this idea, provided enough good RPers can be found. I would be interested in RPing as the Mandalore Warriors (can you blame me?).
Liberated New Ireland
16-06-2006, 01:42
...Star Trek sucks anyway.

Set phasers to kill, bitches!
Nebarri_Prime
16-06-2006, 01:56
I want to see the Borg vs the Empire myself. And none of this bull about them not being able to absorb Star Wars tech because it's too different, either. For the last time, 8472 was genetically immune! And they couldn't assimilate the ships because it was biotech! So maybe you could make the claim for the Yuhazon Vong. But not the Imps, Rebels, or any of the other factions.

Rant finished now.


Borg vs Empire would go to the borg simply because of adaptaion.....


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i would like to add that Transporters are not/can not be used to transport entire armies(or the armies weapons) into space or some such
Nebarri_Prime
16-06-2006, 01:58
i have a solution to this problem:

have the main factions from the ST universe form an alliance with each other to take on the empire.


even then(save for the if the Borg are added, who wouldn't be in an alliance anyway) the Empire out number the enire galaxy. even more so the small amount of space the main ones have
Nebarri_Prime
16-06-2006, 02:01
Okay, enough ranting and argument. This isn't a discussion thread, it's an RP interest thread. The people who want to participate should be people who accept that certain compromises can be made for the sake of good RP.

With that said, I would like to state my interest in this idea, provided enough good RPers can be found. I would be interested in RPing as the Mandalore Warriors (can you blame me?).

what he said ^_^


Mandalore Warriors you shall have then....

alright enough posts in a row for me...should probably edit into one post....
1010102
16-06-2006, 02:25
dibs on empire!
Squornshelous
16-06-2006, 02:27
dibs on empire!

Read more carefully dude, this is set when the Star Wars Universe was in the Clone Wars.

So do you want the Republic?
1010102
16-06-2006, 02:31
then i'll take the republic

me dont red gewd.
Squornshelous
16-06-2006, 02:34
then i'll take the republic

me dont red gewd.

Hookd on foniks dint werk tew well?
1010102
16-06-2006, 02:37
wat the hel s huked on fonics?
1010102
16-06-2006, 02:44
Hookd on foniks dint werk tew well?

can i put that in my sig?
Squornshelous
16-06-2006, 02:45
can i put that in my sig?

If you want to.
Nebarri_Prime
16-06-2006, 08:52
bump
Harroland
16-06-2006, 12:29
oh to good, mind if I take the chiss?
Nebarri_Prime
16-06-2006, 18:43
oh to good, mind if I take the chiss?

the Chiass shall be yours(though they are still located in the unknown regions and have had little contact outside of there, this could open them up)
Nebarri_Prime
16-06-2006, 22:29
bump
Nebarri_Prime
17-06-2006, 19:38
bump
SeaQuest
17-06-2006, 19:53
I personally would rather have this be a character RP. With the use of existing characters or made up ones though this is open for discussion. Based on tech data and provided info ST ships take much longer times to travel across the galaxy and have far weaker weapons(to the point that a Galaxy class is worth about the same as the Slave I) so both of them will be boosted to make heavy ST warships a mach for SW ones and allow faster travel in RPs

NP, ST tech is not that weak. A Mark I Galaxy class could take on lone Star Destroyers and possibly come on top. ST energy weapons are measured with terrawatts. Trust me, that's a lot of energy coming out of those emitters.

And I do believe that something similar, my Cross-Over Wars RP, currently on hiatus due to lack of posting by some of the major members in the threads, was already started.

because it would make this rp less of a flamefest if possible.
I will explain it with 4 points.

1. each side would be to busy fighting amongst themselves to fight each other.

2. there are hundreds if not thousands of different factions in the to univeres. you would need to pick atleast two factions to make it work.

3. star trek is star trek's main faction thats in every single episode. in star wars the empire/republic is in every single movie.

4. Star Trek sucks!

That concludes today's leason. What did you learn?

or you can see what the people at www.stardestroyer.net

You do know the SD.net guy God-wanks the SW GE into god-like invicibility?

And no, ST does not suck, as you put it. I would put my money on the ST side over the SW side anyday.

...Star Trek sucks anyway.

Set phasers to kill, bitches!

Seriously, what do I have to do to knock some sense into you people? A ST phaser, a freaking hand held version, can totally vaporize a target.

@All: If you are going to F*up ST tech and put it down as weaker without proof or evidence, you can count me out.
Kormanthor
17-06-2006, 20:10
I am interested in making this RP work. I will start making up an ST character and ship immediately.
Nebarri_Prime
17-06-2006, 20:47
NP, ST tech is not that weak. A Mark I Galaxy class could take on lone Star Destroyers and possibly come on top. ST energy weapons are measured with terrawatts. Trust me, that's a lot of energy coming out of those emitters.

even with a Galaxy armed as you say i would still select a SD heavily over it. though both sides have advantages. a Sov may be a better selection then a Galaxy



You do know the SD.net guy God-wanks the SW GE into god-like invicibility?

And no, ST does not suck, as you put it. I would put my money on the ST side over the SW side anyday.

i do think that SD.net godmods SW tech, but they do have the advantage overall over ST in my opinion

Seriously, what do I have to do to knock some sense into you people? A ST phaser, a freaking hand held version, can totally vaporize a target.

true, but ST ground forces are still outmached
Nebarri_Prime
17-06-2006, 20:48
I am interested in making this RP work. I will start making up an ST character and ship immediately.

ship better be of a canon class
Kormanthor
17-06-2006, 20:55
ship better be of a canon class


I will be ... just over powered ... check it out!


U.S.S. Freedom / Galaxy Class Dreadnought


http://usera.imagecave.com/Kormanthor/dreadnaught_freedom.jpg



( http://www.shipschematics.net/startrek/federation.html 0)
Kormanthor
17-06-2006, 23:17
I will be ... just over powered ... check it out!


U.S.S. Freedom / Galaxy Class Dreadnought


http://usera.imagecave.com/Kormanthor/dreadnaught_freedom.jpg


My character is the Freedom's Captain;

Name: Capt. Alessandra Cochrane
Alpha Centaurian / Human Hybrid: The natives of Alpha Centauri appear virually identical to humans, though the placement of their internal organs differs significantly. A highly spiritual people, they subscribe to holistic approach.
Professional Background: Science Officer before attending
Command School.
Personal Equipment: Flight Vest, Camouflage Hologenerators, Gill Pack, Holo Base, Night Glasses, Portable Force Field Generator.

( Star Trek, The Next Generation RPG and The Price of Freedom Corebooks )
Kormanthor
18-06-2006, 00:51
The Pegasus Cloaking Device

( Even this Cloaking Device is Canon, here's the documented proof that can be traced back to www.startrek.com. This is a canon description of the Next Generation episode that introduced the Pegasus Cloaking Device. )

Picard and Riker are joined by Admiral Pressman, who was Riker's first commanding officer, for a secret assignment. Riker is shocked to hear that debris from their ship, the U.S.S. Pegasus was found.
The search begins, and the U.S.S. Enterprise is soon confronted by a Romulan warbird that is obviously on a similar mission. Later, Riker and Pressman discuss what happened to the Pegasus, and Riker is clearly disturbed when Pressman reveals that he wants to find the ship in order to try the secret experiment that caused the disaster 12 years earlier.
He tells Riker that the Chief of Starfleet Security is behind the mission, and orders Riker to keep the mission's true nature secret from Picard.
The Enterprise continues to search, and Geordi picks up a resonance signature from an asteroid. It seems to be that of the Pegasus, which has apparently been pulled into one of the asteroid's fissures. At that moment, the Warbird reappears, and Riker suggests they destroy the asteroid rather than let the Romulans find the ship. Pressman objects, and Picard suggests that they blanket the asteroid with ionizing radiation to mask any signals the Pegasus may emit.
The plan works, the Warbird moves off, and Picard orders Data to further divert the Romulans by pretending to continue their search. Afterward, Pressman attacks Riker for suggesting they destroy the Pegasus, and Riker indicates that he is uncomfortable lying to the crew.
Pressman sympathizes, but stresses the importance of the mission. Later, Riker meets with Picard, who has learned, with some difficulty, that there was a mutiny aboard the Pegasus just prior to its disappearance. He suspects a Starfleet cover-up, and asks Riker for his version of the story. Riker tells him that the crew mutinied because they felt Pressman was
jeopardizing the ship, and that he supported his captain out of duty. But when Picard presses Riker for more information, he refuses to comply. Soon afterward, the Enterprise arrives back at the asteroid, and Pressman orders Picard to take the ship inside the fissure. Picard objects to the risky procedure, but the admiral outranks him, so Picard is forced to carry out the orders.
Inside the asteroid, they find the Pegasus fused into the rock. Riker and Pressman transport to the ship's Engineering section where among the bodies of their former crewmates, Pressman discovers the cylindrical device he was looking for. With difficulty, Riker tells Pressman that he cannot let him conduct another experiment with the device, reminding him that many people died because of it. Pressman defends his experiment, which apparently
violates a Federation treaty, and reminds Riker that he is under orders not to reveal what he knows. At that moment, the ship begins to shake violently, and Picard transports the pair back to the Enterprise. There, he shares the grim news — the Romulan ship found them and has sealed the Enterprise inside the asteroid.
Seeing no other choice, Riker suggests that they use Pressman's experiment, the secret prototype for a cloaking device that allows ships to travel through solid matter, to escape. Pressman is furious to have his experiment revealed, but Picard is equally furious
that the admiral has violated the Federation treaty against developing this type of technology. But despite its dangers, Picard agrees to use it to escape the asteroid, thus revealing the process to the Romulan ship. Afterwards, he places Pressman under arrest for violating Federation law, and when Riker reminds him that he, too, is guilty, Picard grimly arrests his first officer as well.
Squornshelous
18-06-2006, 04:54
Hmm, I have to do some research on the ships the mandalorians would have been using at that time.
Nebarri_Prime
18-06-2006, 05:05
Hmm, I have to do some research on the ships the mandalorians would have been using at that time.

one type was the same thing as the Slave II(cant remember class name)
Hyperspatial Travel
18-06-2006, 05:09
Borg vs Empire would go to the borg simply because of adaptaion.....

Yeah, because sheer superior firepower, numbers, untouchability, and speed mean nothing.

Jeez.. I mean, no offense, but no ST faction stands a chance against the Empire. It's just too damn big, and too damn powerful.

NP, ST tech is not that weak. A Mark I Galaxy class could take on lone Star Destroyers and possibly come on top. ST energy weapons are measured with terrawatts. Trust me, that's a lot of energy coming out of those emitters.

Care to show us canonical evidence of this terawatt




You do know the SD.net guy God-wanks the SW GE into god-like invicibility?

Yeah, because he's not an engineer who studied physics, realises how stuff works, and utilises suspension of disbelief to deconstruct the two series's special effects into power outputs.

And no, ST does not suck, as you put it. I would put my money on the ST side over the SW side anyday.

All of ST united vs all of SW united?



Set phasers to kill, bitches!

Seriously, what do I have to do to knock some sense into you people? A ST phaser, a freaking hand held version, can totally vaporize a target.

And a can of petrol and a match can completely vaporize a block of ice.
Squornshelous
18-06-2006, 05:10
one type was the same thing as the Slave II(cant remember class name)

Yeah, I don't remember the name either but it's a light patrol vessel.

The clone wars would be how long after KOTOR II?

EDIT:
Never mind, I figured it out. This would be during the time of Jango Fett's leadership of the Mandalorians.
Kormanthor
18-06-2006, 12:38
I'm sure the U.S.S. Freedom could take on an empire ship and win
Jarvon
19-06-2006, 00:13
The Pegasus Cloaking Device

( Even this Cloaking Device is Canon, here's the documented proof that can be traced back to www.startrek.com. This is a canon description of the Next Generation episode that introduced the Pegasus Cloaking Device. )

Picard and Riker are joined by Admiral Pressman, who was Riker's first commanding officer, for a secret assignment. Riker is shocked to hear that debris from their ship, the U.S.S. Pegasus was found.
The search begins, and the U.S.S. Enterprise is soon confronted by a Romulan warbird that is obviously on a similar mission. Later, Riker and Pressman discuss what happened to the Pegasus, and Riker is clearly disturbed when Pressman reveals that he wants to find the ship in order to try the secret experiment that caused the disaster 12 years earlier.
He tells Riker that the Chief of Starfleet Security is behind the mission, and orders Riker to keep the mission's true nature secret from Picard.
The Enterprise continues to search, and Geordi picks up a resonance signature from an asteroid. It seems to be that of the Pegasus, which has apparently been pulled into one of the asteroid's fissures. At that moment, the Warbird reappears, and Riker suggests they destroy the asteroid rather than let the Romulans find the ship. Pressman objects, and Picard suggests that they blanket the asteroid with ionizing radiation to mask any signals the Pegasus may emit.
The plan works, the Warbird moves off, and Picard orders Data to further divert the Romulans by pretending to continue their search. Afterward, Pressman attacks Riker for suggesting they destroy the Pegasus, and Riker indicates that he is uncomfortable lying to the crew.
Pressman sympathizes, but stresses the importance of the mission. Later, Riker meets with Picard, who has learned, with some difficulty, that there was a mutiny aboard the Pegasus just prior to its disappearance. He suspects a Starfleet cover-up, and asks Riker for his version of the story. Riker tells him that the crew mutinied because they felt Pressman was
jeopardizing the ship, and that he supported his captain out of duty. But when Picard presses Riker for more information, he refuses to comply. Soon afterward, the Enterprise arrives back at the asteroid, and Pressman orders Picard to take the ship inside the fissure. Picard objects to the risky procedure, but the admiral outranks him, so Picard is forced to carry out the orders.
Inside the asteroid, they find the Pegasus fused into the rock. Riker and Pressman transport to the ship's Engineering section where among the bodies of their former crewmates, Pressman discovers the cylindrical device he was looking for. With difficulty, Riker tells Pressman that he cannot let him conduct another experiment with the device, reminding him that many people died because of it. Pressman defends his experiment, which apparently
violates a Federation treaty, and reminds Riker that he is under orders not to reveal what he knows. At that moment, the ship begins to shake violently, and Picard transports the pair back to the Enterprise. There, he shares the grim news — the Romulan ship found them and has sealed the Enterprise inside the asteroid.
Seeing no other choice, Riker suggests that they use Pressman's experiment, the secret prototype for a cloaking device that allows ships to travel through solid matter, to escape. Pressman is furious to have his experiment revealed, but Picard is equally furious
that the admiral has violated the Federation treaty against developing this type of technology. But despite its dangers, Picard agrees to use it to escape the asteroid, thus revealing the process to the Romulan ship. Afterwards, he places Pressman under arrest for violating Federation law, and when Riker reminds him that he, too, is guilty, Picard grimly arrests his first officer as well.

That's what is known as a Phase Cloak, dude.

@NP: I might as well join in to show you ST tech doubters what ST tech can really do.
Nebarri_Prime
19-06-2006, 00:23
That's what is known as a Phase Cloak, dude.

@NP: I might as well join in to show you ST tech doubters what ST tech can really do.

i do not doubt ST tech it is however unable to match what SW can toss at it
Jarvon
19-06-2006, 00:56
i do not doubt ST tech it is however unable to match what SW can toss at it

I intend to proove otherwise, NP. That's why this is one of my ST MU based puppets and why I made this one and the other in the first place.
Hyperspatial Travel
19-06-2006, 08:27
I intend to proove otherwise, NP. That's why this is one of my ST MU based puppets and why I made this one and the other in the first place.

Unfortunately, RP does not match up with canon. If you were RPing directly to the canon in every technological way, you'd lose.
Herastall
19-06-2006, 17:27
yeah, im going to do what was actually asked and make a character rather then bicker about boring stuff

Name: John Byker
Occupation: Ship Cleaner
Race: Human
Side: Star Trek


HURRAY!!!
United Planets c2161
19-06-2006, 18:16
Heh, heh. You guys should check this out: Star Trek vs. Star Wars (http://www.videobomb.com/posts/show/2802)

It's fairly accurate even if it is a bit disjointed at times.

Oh, by the way. The Borg would rape the Empire. It doesn't matter how many ships you have, because the Borg would adapt to your weapons before more than a handful of Borg vessels were destroyed. And as for the Deathstar, it would get off a couple shots, but then the Borg would take notice and assimilate it. A few hundred drones would be more than suffiecient to take the station, especially if they beamed in covertly, started assimilating the crew to bolster their forces as they moved (Like they tried to do to the Enterprise in First Contact). Once the station was in Borg hands the Empire would soon fall.

As for a full, SW universe, all forces vs ST universe all forces. I still think ST would prevail.

Lets say the forces were told that they had 1 year before they would be put against an enemy that was unlike any they had ever faced before. They would not be told any details about the other, but are told the forces of their universe must fight together to fend them off. They have the one year to prepare.

I honestly feel sorry for the guy who suggested that all in the SW universe could take on all in the ST universe.

Now, lets say that the SW forces vastly outnumber the ST forces, for some reason the Borg can't adapt or assimilate the SW technology, Species 8472 is not impervious to their weapons and the Romulan, Federation, Klingon ships are no match for the SW ships (I'm not saying this is the case, but it will serve to prove my point that there can be no victory for SW). We'll also pretend that the Cardassians, Breen, Dominion, Kazon, Hirogen, and other space faring races aren't any more effective. The SW forces are about to become victorious, the Deathstar targeting Earth. The lasers charge and...

Suddenly the Deathstar vanishes in a flash of light. In Darth Vader's chamber someone in a Starfleet Captain's uniform appears in a similiar flash of light. He's playing with something, a ball. The Deathstar.

Darth Vader tries to use his force powers to strangle the intruder, but the intruder simply looks amused. Slowly he stands, walks over to the man in black and smirks as he says: "Now, is that anyway to treat a guest, I'll have to teach you a lesson." At which point he snaps his fingers. A flash of light engulfs Vader and every other SW crew member on all the variou ships. When the light disappears, they are gone, replaced with ameoba's, or are they the ameoba's.

Q, smiles and transports himself to the bridge of the Enterprise, badly damaged, lights flickering. "Well, Jean-Luc. Looks like you can't take care of yourself. You're lucky I was around to give you a hand."

Picard reluctantly acknowledges Q's help and thanks him.
1010102
19-06-2006, 18:22
snip

transporters are blocked by shields. he would not be able to get onboard.
United Planets c2161
19-06-2006, 18:25
transporters are blocked by shields. he would not be able to get onboard.
Ah, yes. I see, you are unfamiliar with Q. Q does not use transporters. Q is an energy being. He requires no technology and as such shields and weapons are utterly useless against him (apart from those made by other Q).
Sagit
19-06-2006, 18:32
ST has a few things that SW doesn't. Trek has transporters, cloaking devices (don't remember seeing any in SW), and has encountered numerous advanced races, some of whom could easily wipe out the Empire *cough*Q*uncough*.

OTOH, SW seems to go for sheer size and power. Their energy weapons might not be as efficient as ST phasers, but SW pumps a whole lot more juice into them. SW has warships, some of which can be mistaken for moons! ST has deep-space exploration ships refitted for war. SW is far ahead of Trek in AI (Data is the only one I can think of that has human intellegence), and the Empire controls an entire galaxy instead of one small quadrant. Lastly, Trek sux at ground warfare.
MuchoKookoo
19-06-2006, 18:37
Are the jedi a playable thing or do they belong to republic?Ill be jedi if thats allowed or maybe just a padawan/master team.If I cant I would like to be the wookies.
MuchoKookoo
19-06-2006, 18:41
ST has a few things that SW doesn't. Trek has transporters, cloaking devices (don't remember seeing any in SW), and has encountered numerous advanced races, some of whom could easily wipe out the Empire *cough*Q*uncough*.

OTOH, SW seems to go for sheer size and power. Their energy weapons might not be as efficient as ST phasers, but SW pumps a whole lot more juice into them. SW has warships, some of which can be mistaken for moons! ST has deep-space exploration ships refitted for war. SW is far ahead of Trek in AI (Data is the only one I can think of that has human intellegence), and the Empire controls an entire galaxy instead of one small quadrant. Lastly, Trek sux at ground warfare.

SW does have clocking devices.There are a few ships that could cloak and mara jade could cloak.Same with her ship.SW does have transporters.How do you think they got from a star destroyer to the planet?The only thing i can think of that star wars does not have is teleporters.
United Planets c2161
19-06-2006, 18:45
ST has a few things that SW doesn't. Trek has transporters, cloaking devices (don't remember seeing any in SW), and has encountered numerous advanced races, some of whom could easily wipe out the Empire *cough*Q*uncough*.
I believe the SW do have cloaking devices. I seem to remember talking about them once, but they are extremely limited in their use. Certainly not up to par with the Federation Phase Cloak or Shinzon's Cloak that allowed him to fire and have shields up while using it.

OTOH, SW seems to go for sheer size and power. Their energy weapons might not be as efficient as ST phasers, but SW pumps a whole lot more juice into them. SW has warships, some of which can be mistaken for moons! ST has deep-space exploration ships refitted for war.
Ah, but the size of SW ships may be a problem for them. ST ships are far more maneuverable and could probably easily stay on the opposite side of the Deathstar from the laser emitters.
SW is far ahead of Trek in AI (Data is the only one I can think of that has human intellegence), and the Empire controls an entire galaxy instead of one small quadrant.
I'm not sure. Are you talking about the droids? They don't seem to be as advanced in sentience. They droids in SW are predictable and follow their programming, very rarely showing any unique characteristics (R2 being the exception of course.)
Lastly, Trek sux at ground warfare.
So does the SW. The droids fall like crazy when under attack, especially from close range, and the Storm Troopers can't hit the broad side of a barn. Plus the Federation may suck at ground combat, but the Klingons, and the Jem'Hadar are experts at it. The Jen'Hadar would be especially effective because of their personal cloaking devices that allow them to reveal themselves only when they are right on top of the enemy.
United Planets c2161
19-06-2006, 18:49
SW does have clocking devices.There are a few ships that could cloak and mara jade could cloak.Same with her ship.SW does have transporters.How do you think they got from a star destroyer to the planet?The only thing i can think of that star wars does not have is teleporters.
The transporter is the term used in Star Trek for teleporting devices. In star wars they took a shuttle to the surface, they didn't transport.
MuchoKookoo
19-06-2006, 18:52
I believe the SW do have cloaking devices. I seem to remember talking about them once, but they are extremely limited in their use. Certainly not up to par with the Federation Phase Cloak or Shinzon's Cloak that allowed him to fire and have shields up while using it.


Ah, but the size of SW ships may be a problem for them. ST ships are far more maneuverable and could probably easily stay on the opposite side of the Deathstar from the laser emitters.

I'm not sure. Are you talking about the droids? They don't seem to be as advanced in sentience. They droids in SW are predictable and follow their programming, very rarely showing any unique characteristics (R2 being the exception of course.)

So does the SW. The droids fall like crazy when under attack, especially from close range, and the Storm Troopers can't hit the broad side of a barn. Plus the Federation may suck at ground combat, but the Klingons, and the Jem'Hadar are experts at it. The Jen'Hadar would be especially effective because of their personal cloaking devices that allow them to reveal themselves only when they are right on top of the enemy.

Yes a federation ship may be able to out manever a deathstsar but can they go toe to toe with a star destroyer?They would have noy have nearly enough firepower and fighters would be on there ship in secounds.

As for ground,what do you mean fail like crazY?and most stormtroopers are theclones that were before it.They recive extensive training.The armor support would be tremendous though.AT-AT,AT-STs,Fighter support.They would own any klingon force.The only thing in star tek that would be able to take out the empire is the borg.
MuchoKookoo
19-06-2006, 18:55
woops!,double post.These servers.:D
United Planets c2161
19-06-2006, 18:56
SW does have clocking devices.There are a few ships that could cloak and mara jade could cloak.Same with her ship.SW does have transporters.How do you think they got from a star destroyer to the planet?The only thing i can think of that star wars does not have is teleporters.
The transporter is the term used in Star Trek for teleporting devices. In star wars they took a shuttle to the surface, they didn't transport.
MuchoKookoo
19-06-2006, 18:57
The transporter is the term used in Star Trek for teleporting devices. In star wars they took a shuttle to the surface, they didn't transport.

Oh!I thought he ment like shuttle transporter.He should of said teleporter.
ElectronX
19-06-2006, 19:11
www.stardestroyer.net

He may be a wanker, and some of his figures might just be imaginative bullshit, but it's not anything the trek guys don't do as well. Sorry but I don't see the empire losing to the federation. Course, as far as I am aware that is not the topic of this thread, BUT from some of the posters here I think it's the topic now.
United Planets c2161
19-06-2006, 19:11
As for ground,what do you mean fail like crazY?and most stormtroopers are theclones that were before it.They recive extensive training.The armor support would be tremendous though.AT-AT,AT-STs,Fighter support.They would own any klingon force.The only thing in star tek that would be able to take out the empire is the borg.
They may be able to take out the Klingons, but could they take out the Jem'Hadar. They are the Star Trek equivelent of the clones, but they have their shroud which make them invisible until they attack. It's pretty hard to fight an enemy you can't see.

And yeah the Borg would own, simply because they adapt too quickly to be destroyed. Species 8472 could also go though. Even the Borg couldn't take them out.

In case you don't know about Species 8472, a small group, possibly only one ship destroyed an entire armada of Borg cubes (about 30-40 ships)

The first picture is Species 8472 itself, the second is them preparing to fire their super weapon. That blast has destroyed planets (and is much more maneuverable then the Deathstar since they only need a few of their warships to work together), and the third is an image of a single one of thier ships (it only requires 1 pilot so it's not to big.).
http://ca.geocities.com/afterearthdatabase/species8472.jpg
http://www.strategyplanet.com/starfleet/docking_ring_site/dr_shippicture_archive/dr_alien_species8472/12042000-0003species8472.jpghttp://borgn.totalconversions.com/species/8472-big3.jpg
United Planets c2161
19-06-2006, 19:14
www.stardestroyer.net

He may be a wanker, and some of his figures might just be imaginative bullshit, but it's not anything the trek guys don't do as well. Sorry but I don't see the empire losing to the federation. Course, as far as I am aware that is not the topic of this thread, BUT from some of the posters here I think it's the topic now.
I don't think the Federation could beat the entire Empire by itself either, but I think that a Galaxy or Sovereign stands a good chance in a one on one fight with a Star Destroyer (maybe not a super, but there is still a chance due to the Feds maneuverability.)
The Longinean Order
19-06-2006, 19:16
If we are going to gothrough with this, I would love to try my hands at the Borg style. So put me down for that.
United Planets c2161
19-06-2006, 19:23
If we are going to gothrough with this, I would love to try my hands at the Borg style. So put me down for that.
I'd go with Species 8472. Depending on when in the Dominion war this is, the Borg may not have the modified nanoprobes needed to bring us down yet.
The Longinean Order
19-06-2006, 19:25
If it is to soon, I am avoiding you and focusing on the Republic
Sagit
19-06-2006, 19:29
I'd go with Species 8472. Depending on when in the Dominion war this is, the Borg may not have the modified nanoprobes needed to bring us down yet.

Did the Borg actually get the nanoprobes? IIRC, Janeway kept the details of the nanoprobes secret. If 8472 hadn't retreated (and the Borg hadn't tried to double-cross her), they would have received the full knowledge, but as it was, they didn't.
United Planets c2161
19-06-2006, 19:30
If it is to soon, I am avoiding you and focusing on the Republic
:p And if it's too late, I'm avoiding you and focusing on the same.
United Planets c2161
19-06-2006, 19:34
Did the Borg actually get the nanoprobes? IIRC, Janeway kept the details of the nanoprobes secret. If 8472 hadn't retreated (and the Borg hadn't tried to double-cross her), they would have received the full knowledge, but as it was, they didn't.
When Seven of Nine sent Voyager into Fluidic Space, Janeway shared knowledge of the nanoprobes with Seven so that she could help produce the weapons. When they left Fluidic Space, Seven regained her connection with the collective, therefore, since the Borg know all that any of their drones know, know about the the nanoprobes.
United Planets c2161
19-06-2006, 19:47
Okay, things are getting a little tense between the sides, so here are a few links to videos that are meant to be in good fun:

Star Trekkin' (funny) (http://www.angelfire.com/fl/sapringer/STARTREKKIN.html)
Marooned on Tattooine Part 1 (http://www.angelfire.com/fl/sapringer/MARTATT1.html)
Marooned on Tattooine Part 2 (http://www.angelfire.com/fl/sapringer/MOT2.html)
Liberated Vortigaunts
19-06-2006, 19:50
And so it begins...
1010102
19-06-2006, 19:51
to help lower the tension i will sing a song

oh star trek, star trek,
why does thee suck?

because we can not jump quickly,
or
fight on the ground
this is why we suck.

(insert kick ass guitar solo here)
United Planets c2161
19-06-2006, 19:59
to help lower the tension i will sing a song

oh star trek, star trek,
why does thee suck?

because we can not jump quickly,
or
fight on the ground
this is why we suck.

(insert kick ass guitar solo here)
Man, I give you a little honest fun (please tell me you didn't take those videos seriously) and you come back with this.

You know, it only looks bad on Star Wars fans when you do things like that. Not one of the Trek fans here has said that Star Wars just sucks. (I personnally don't like it as much as Trek, but still) We've been more than curtious. I've admitted the Empire would win over the Federation if only because of sheer numbers.
The Longinean Order
19-06-2006, 20:10
to help lower the tension i will sing a song

oh star trek, star trek,
why does thee suck?

because we can not jump quickly,
or
fight on the ground
this is why we suck.

(insert kick ass guitar solo here)

I know that you are playing as the republic, so this is directed at you

We are the Borg. Lower your shields and power down your weapons. We will add your biological and technological distinctiveness to our own. Resistance is futile. You will be assimilated.

oh and PS: each is awesome in it's own way. Only the borg could truly win, as they take over vesells of all sides.
Nebarri_Prime
19-06-2006, 20:12
I don't think the Federation could beat the entire Empire by itself either, but I think that a Galaxy or Sovereign stands a good chance in a one on one fight with a Star Destroyer (maybe not a super, but there is still a chance due to the Feds maneuverability.)

if your counting manuverability, may i point out that a Star Destroyer has enough accuracy and firepower to compleatly take out an attacking CR90 Corvette in one salvo(probaably about as monuverable as any Galaxy). though a Galaxy is over 4 times that length and much wider. and with ST shields shaped as domes they take indirect his as well. a Galaxy could take more hits then a CR90, but would be a much easyer target. a SD however is not made to avoid hits. a Sov could probably hurt a SD very badly though....
United Planets c2161
19-06-2006, 20:12
I know that you are playing as the republic, so this is directed at you



oh and PS: each is awesome in it's own way. Only the borg could truly win, as they take over vesells of all sides.
And as my guys: Species 8472 say:
Your galaxy will be purged.
1010102
19-06-2006, 20:16
that was was just part one.


because kurk can't do the robot and spock can't sing.
and because kahn is just stupid and genesis was gay.
the enterprise looks like a plate with wings.

set phasers to kill!
phasers!
kill!
set to!
United Planets c2161
19-06-2006, 20:16
if your counting manuverability, may i point out that a Star Destroyer has enough accuracy and firepower to compleatly take out an attacking CR90 Corvette in one salvo(probaably about as monuverable as any Galaxy). though a Galaxy is over 4 times that length and much wider. and with ST shields shaped as domes they take indirect his as well. a Galaxy could take more hits then a CR90, but would be a much easyer target. a SD however is not made to avoid hits. a Sov could probably hurt a SD very badly though....
But if I'm not mistaken SW ships use light based sensors to detect the enemy (Federation vessels do not) which leaves them vulnerable to the Picard Maneuveur. A couple quick warp jumps and suddenly there seem to be several ships.
Nebarri_Prime
19-06-2006, 20:17
that was was just part one.


because kurk can't do the robot and spock can't sing.
and because kahn is just stupid and genesis was gay.
the enterprise looks like a plate with wings.

set phasers to kill!
phasers!
kill!
set to!

please shut up or dont post on this thread with anymore of that
The Longinean Order
19-06-2006, 20:18
And as my guys: Species 8472 say:

In response to that

"If the Continuum has told you once, they've told you a hundred times--DON'T PROVOKE THE BORG!"
-Q
United Planets c2161
19-06-2006, 20:18
that was was just part one.


because kurk can't do the robot and spock can't sing.
and because kahn is just stupid and genesis was gay.
the enterprise looks like a plate with wings.

set phasers to kill!
phasers!
kill!
set to!
At least get a better writer please.
1010102
19-06-2006, 20:18
please shut up or dont post on this thread with anymore of that

ok sorry.
United Planets c2161
19-06-2006, 20:19
In response to that

"If the Continuum has told you once, they've told you a hundred times--DON'T PROVOKE THE BORG!"
-Q
It wasn't directed to the Borg, it was also directed to the Republic.

But yeah, the Q don't so much fear the Borg, so much as recognize their potential to cause extreme damage to life in the galaxy.
The Longinean Order
19-06-2006, 20:20
But if I'm not mistaken SW ships use light based sensors to detect the enemy (Federation vessels do not) which leaves them vulnerable to the Picard Maneuveur. A couple quick warp jumps and suddenly there seem to be several ships.

Which episode was that from? If I can find out the race, ship, and wether or not it reached the rest of the race, I might be able to find out wether or not I can use that against 1010102.

Edit, found it on the ST wiki, and I will definetly have an assimilated federation captain with knowledge of the tactic in the hive. After all, some of the Borg have to have captured somebody like it, not to mention that Picard himself was once assimilated..
The Longinean Order
19-06-2006, 20:33
okay, this is the breakdown as far as I can see so far

The Galactic Republic: 1010102

The Mandalorians: Squornshelous

The Chiss: Harroland

The Borg Collective: The Longinean Order

Species 8472: United Planets c2161

any one else?
Jarvon
19-06-2006, 20:40
Unfortunately, RP does not match up with canon. If you were RPing directly to the canon in every technological way, you'd lose.

I don't think so.

transporters are blocked by shields. he would not be able to get onboard.

ST shields. As depicted in canon SW by the Millenium Falcon's shield display, their are gaps, plus their is the fact that ST and SW shields work on totally different principles.

SW does have clocking devices.There are a few ships that could cloak and mara jade could cloak.Same with her ship.SW does have transporters.How do you think they got from a star destroyer to the planet?The only thing i can think of that star wars does not have is teleporters.

Correct. SW does have cloaks. Mentioned in one of the original trilogy movies.

Incorrect. SW does not have transporters. They use shuttles.

@All: If you are going to continue this off topic ST vs SW debate, then star another thread.

@NP: I'm working up what I'm going to use.

EDIT: Just wondering if there would be any objection to me going as the Q Continuum.
The American Privateer
19-06-2006, 20:45
I would like to play as the Federation
Nebarri_Prime
19-06-2006, 20:46
ST shields. As depicted in canon SW by the Millenium Falcon's shield display, their are gaps, plus their is the fact that ST and SW shields work on totally different principles.


Correct. SW does have cloaks. Mentioned in one of the original trilogy movies.

not gaps, the shields have the same general idea, forward shields, back, sides...these shields are curved and fit over the entire ship



SW does have cloack, but its much more like Romulan(sp?) Bird of Pray level of tech.


-----
just so we have this down. i will be playing with Aayla Secura as my character
The American Privateer
19-06-2006, 20:47
EDIT: Just wondering if there would be any objection to me going as the Q Continuum.

Q = instant Godmoding

If you look at the series, Q has always been a Deus Ex Machina way for something to happen.

No Q
Ahiva
19-06-2006, 20:47
must i explain why that would not even begin to be fair?
lol XP
Nebarri_Prime
19-06-2006, 20:47
Q = instant Godmoding

If you look at the series, Q has always been a Deus Ex Machina way for something to happen.

No Q

what he said
Sagit
19-06-2006, 20:50
Agreed! Q, by definition, is a godmode! :)
Jarvon
19-06-2006, 20:50
Ehh, how about something from the Mirror Universe?

Hey, I know. I could just continue to RP the way I regularly do, as the United Empire Of Planets from an alternate timeline (hey, its canon).
United Planets c2161
19-06-2006, 20:51
Which episode was that from? If I can find out the race, ship, and wether or not it reached the rest of the race, I might be able to find out wether or not I can use that against 1010102.
Here's the text from the encyclopedia:
Picard Maneuver. A tactic devised by Captain Jean-Luc Picard aboard the U.S.S. Stargazer during the Battle of Maxia in 2355. The Stargazer accelerated to warp speed and for an instant appeared to be in two places at once to a distant observer, the opponent vessel. This maneuver, taking advantage of the fact that that the opponent vessel was using only light-speed sensors, allowed the Federation starship to fire and damage their enemy. The Picard Maneuver is required study at Starfleet Academy. ("The Battle" [TNG])
Picard Manuever Images/Descriptions (http://img514.imageshack.us/img514/2290/picardmaneuver7nn.jpg)
United Planets c2161
19-06-2006, 20:54
EDIT: Just wondering if there would be any objection to me going as the Q Continuum.
No way, any Q would make the whole thing pointless. If there are any charachters used with the power of the Q I'm out.
The American Privateer
19-06-2006, 21:03
Ehh, how about something from the Mirror Universe?

Hey, I know. I could just continue to RP the way I regularly do, as the United Empire Of Planets from an alternate timeline (hey, its canon).

While I agree that it is a potential, how do your ships get to ours?
Jarvon
19-06-2006, 21:04
While I agree that it is a potential, how do your ships get to ours?
Use the trans-dimensional transporter thing and build them on this side. Kind of like the Terran Rebellion did in regards to the Defiant.
United Planets c2161
19-06-2006, 21:05
While I agree that it is a potential, how do your ships get to ours?
The same way they got the runabout through in DS9, through the wormhole with the same warp drive malfunction.
United Planets c2161
19-06-2006, 21:06
Use the trans-dimensional transporter thing and build them on this side. Kind of like the Terran Rebellion did in regards to the Defiant.
They didn't send the Defiant through, they stole the schematics from our universe and built another in theirs.
The American Privateer
19-06-2006, 21:06
Use the trans-dimensional transporter thing and build them on this side. Kind of like the Terran Rebellion did in regards to the Defiant.

That might work, just watch out, TLO is going to go after that as much as it can, he is playing as the Borg after all.
Jarvon
19-06-2006, 21:07
They didn't send the Defiant through, they stole the schematics from our universe and built another in theirs.

That's what I said. Note the first part about the trans-dimensional transporter device. Of course, I could just have a really big one and transport entire ships across.
Roblicium
19-06-2006, 21:08
Star Trek also has time travel on its side. Even though Enterprise was far from a cool Star Trek show, it is still Star Trek. I think someone should be Daniels.
United Planets c2161
19-06-2006, 21:08
That's what I said. Note the first part about the trans-dimensional transporter device. Of course, I could just have a really big one and transport entire ships across.
Nevermind, I'm a dumbass. Aparently I can't read.
Jarvon
19-06-2006, 21:08
That might work, just watch out, TLO is going to go after that as much as it can, he is playing as the Borg after all.
IMHO, the MU Terrans would kick Borg butt. In fact, for my main RPs on NS, that's what I have as happened in my nation's pre-NS history (ie, un-RPed).
Jarvon
19-06-2006, 21:09
Star Trek also has time travel on its side. Even though Enterprise was far from a cool Star Trek show, it is still Star Trek. I think someone should be Daniels.

Now why didn't I think of that.

*Imagines a fleet of Wells class timeships pwning all comers*

Nah, would be about as wanky/GM as the Q.
United Planets c2161
19-06-2006, 21:10
Star Trek also has time travel on its side. Even though Enterprise was far from a cool Star Trek show, it is still Star Trek. I think someone should be Daniels.
Yeah, I wouldn't mind having the Relativity on my side.
How about the Krenim. Remember the time-ship. It was phased out of normal time so conventional weapons couldn't hurt it. Then it used the big gun on the front to simply erase it's enemies from ever existing.
Roblicium
19-06-2006, 21:11
Now why didn't I think of that.

*Imagines a fleet of Wells class timeships pwning all comers*

Nah, would be about as wanky/GM as the Q.

I guess you're right especially since they don't have to worry about preserving the timeline because its ST vs. SW.
Jarvon
19-06-2006, 21:12
I say we keep temp tech out, unless we can figure out a way to keep it from being temp wanked with.
The American Privateer
19-06-2006, 21:13
I say we keep temp tech out, unless we can figure out a way to keep it from being temp wanked with.

amen to that
United Planets c2161
19-06-2006, 21:17
I say we keep temp tech out, unless we can figure out a way to keep it from being temp wanked with.
Probably a good idea. Perhaps only allow the occasional thing, like: "I'm going to attempt to swing around the sun like kirk did to travel back in time." (High chance of failure, but perhaps it can buy you a few days on occasion.
Roblicium
19-06-2006, 21:19
Yeah, I wouldn't mind having the Relativity on my side.
How about the Krenim. Remember the time-ship. It was phased out of normal time so conventional weapons couldn't hurt it. Then it used the big gun on the front to simply erase it's enemies from ever existing.

Episodes like that is why I like Star Trek, but Jarvon is right it would be unfair.
Roblicium
19-06-2006, 21:30
Has it been decided as to whether we are roleplaying as entire nations or as individual people within the context of a greater nation/species?
Jarvon
19-06-2006, 21:32
Probably a good idea. Perhaps only allow the occasional thing, like: "I'm going to attempt to swing around the sun like kirk did to travel back in time." (High chance of failure, but perhaps it can buy you a few days on occasion.

Or that whole Constitution class cold start of the warp drive thing like was done in TOS. Not a smart thing to do if you are in a hurry, but it threw the Enterprise backwards several minutes/hours/days (don't remember exactly). I think it was two days.
Nebarri_Prime
19-06-2006, 21:45
Has it been decided as to whether we are roleplaying as entire nations or as individual people within the context of a greater nation/species?

it seems to be either or
Jarvon
19-06-2006, 21:47
it seems to be either or
IMHO, as the thread originator, NP, you get to make the final decision on that.
Nebarri_Prime
19-06-2006, 21:59
IMHO, as the thread originator, NP, you get to make the final decision on that.


well...i say either
Jarvon
19-06-2006, 22:26
well...i say either

Ehh, why not combine the two? That way, we can have groups of ships to do the background fighting and have our primary ship and character(s) in the foreground.
Roblicium
19-06-2006, 22:44
Ehh, why not combine the two? That way, we can have groups of ships to do the background fighting and have our primary ship and character(s) in the foreground.

That sounds cool! Good-thinking Jarvon
Nebarri_Prime
19-06-2006, 22:48
Ehh, why not combine the two? That way, we can have groups of ships to do the background fighting and have our primary ship and character(s) in the foreground.

eh, thats what i ment. maybe not very easy to see unless your me but its what i ment by either...
Jarvon
19-06-2006, 23:16
eh, thats what i ment. maybe not very easy to see unless your me but its what i ment by either...


Eh, nice, uh, save.

Roffle-sauce.
Nebarri_Prime
19-06-2006, 23:33
well, do take notice that i let several people select major groups(Chiss, Borg, 8472) and myself selected to be a specified character
Rebel_Strike
19-06-2006, 23:51
Hey, id like to join for Star Wars. And i say people could be groups. I would personally like to be Rebels, then me and someone else could take on Federation, Borg, Klingon, ect. And one of my freinds would kill to do this as Empire.
The Longinean Order
20-06-2006, 00:05
Hey, id like to join for Star Wars. And i say people could be groups. I would personally like to be Rebels, then me and someone else could take on Federation, Borg, Klingon, ect. And one of my freinds would kill to do this as Empire.

Check the opening, Clone Wars and Dominion Wars
Kilani
20-06-2006, 00:47
If the Federation is still avaliable, I'd like to take them. I know the most about their ships. So perhaps I could join up with the other (if there is one) Federation player?

Soveriegn-class vessel here I come.

And are we sticking to strictly canon or can I use something like the Federation Marine Corps?
Spit break
20-06-2006, 00:50
ill join star wars with the empire i got weapons that will pwn the trekkies in no time
Monkey Pirate Island
20-06-2006, 00:51
http://federationvsempire.ytmnd.com/
The Longinean Order
20-06-2006, 00:51
The New Borg Queen
Name: One of One of Unimatrix 5
Race: Species 5618 (Human), Borg
Gender: formerly Female
Ship: Sovereign 002

Notes on The Borg Flotilla
Sovereign 002 (http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e77/Ard_Ri_Niall/Sovereign002.jpg)
The Sovereign 002 is a modified Sovereign, with twin saucers and a second pair of engine nacels extending below the ship.

Cube 2045
Cube 4568
Cube 5467
Cube 7892
Cube 5943
Cube 4093

Sphere 345
Sphere 537
Sphere 5618

Akira 034
Akira 001

These are Akiras (http://www.fsgsim.com/images/ships/pix/akira.gif)
Liberated Vortigaunts
20-06-2006, 00:52
http://federationvsempire.ytmnd.com/

I find it somewhat ironic that somebody would actually take the time to create that.
Monkey Pirate Island
20-06-2006, 00:54
I find it somewhat ironic that somebody would actually take the time to create that.
Yes, but it is useful in threads like this.
Spit break
20-06-2006, 00:56
heres the star wars pwning weapons

http://www.wolfsshipyard.mystarship.com/Drawings/SW/Imperium.gif

http://wolfsshipyard.mystarship.com/Drawings/SW/Centaurian%20Class%20Ultra%20Star%20Destroyer.jpg

a few of these and star wars wins
Kilani
20-06-2006, 00:59
heres the star wars pwning weapons

http://www.wolfsshipyard.mystarship.com/Drawings/SW/Imperium.gif

http://wolfsshipyard.mystarship.com/Drawings/SW/Centaurian%20Class%20Ultra%20Star%20Destroyer.jpg

a few of these and star wars wins


Gee, too bad they're not canon.
Kilani
20-06-2006, 01:01
The New Borg Queen
Name: One of One of Unimatrix 5
Race: Species 5618 (Human), Borg
Gender: formerly Female
Ship: Sovereign 002

Notes on The Borg Flotilla
Sovereign 002 (http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e77/Ard_Ri_Niall/Sovereign002.jpg)
The Sovereign 002 is a modified Sovereign, with twin saucers and a second pair of engine nacels extending below the ship.

Cube 2045
Cube 4568
Cube 5467
Cube 7892
Cube 5943
Cube 4093

Sphere 345
Sphere 537
Sphere 5618

Akira 034
Akira 001

These are Akiras (http://www.fsgsim.com/images/ships/pix/akira.gif)

I'm pretty sure the borg turn assimilated starships into cubes or spheres or what have you.
Spit break
20-06-2006, 01:06
Gee, too bad they're not canon.
your point?
Kilani
20-06-2006, 01:09
your point?

They're essentially tech wank.

After all there is no evidence to suggestthey made anything bigger then an Eclipse. Why would they need to?
The American Privateer
20-06-2006, 01:12
If the Federation is still avaliable, I'd like to take them. I know the most about their ships. So perhaps I could join up with the other (if there is one) Federation player?

Soveriegn-class vessel here I come.

And are we sticking to strictly canon or can I use something like the Federation Marine Corps?

I would be glad to have your support, and as for the Marine Corps, while they are never officialy mentioned, the listings for ship crews always state that they had Marines on board, do I would say that the Marine Corps should be allowed.
The American Privateer
20-06-2006, 01:15
I'm pretty sure the borg turn assimilated starships into cubes or spheres or what have you.

No, assimilated ships are not always turned into Cubes and Spheres. There is nothing in teh cannon that states that Assimilated ships are turned into Cubes and Spheres, in fact, I would say that the action of the Borg in First Contact would say that they don't always assimilate ships as Cubes and Spheres.
Kilani
20-06-2006, 01:25
No, assimilated ships are not always turned into Cubes and Spheres. There is nothing in teh cannon that states that Assimilated ships are turned into Cubes and Spheres, in fact, I would say that the action of the Borg in First Contact would say that they don't always assimilate ships as Cubes and Spheres.

*shrugs*

Well, we never see anything but those...
Spit break
20-06-2006, 01:25
They're essentially tech wank.

After all there is no evidence to suggestthey made anything bigger then an Eclipse. Why would they need to?
well

The embodiment of Palpatine's plans for extra-galactic conquest, the Imperium would have been as powerful as a Death Star, but much more mobile. Equipped with a small fleet of capital ships, thousands of fighters, and innumerable support craft, the Imperium would have had virtually unlimited range since it would also have carried several World Devastators to produce needed supplies. With this ship, the immortal Palpatine would have spread the Empire across the universe. Rumors suggest that the crew would also have been "immortal" as well, thanks to cloning equipment that would have been onboard. Thankfully, Palpatine was not as immortal as he had hoped, and the ship never progressed beyond initial planning before his final death. While some die-hard Imperials wanted to try and actually build it to use against the New Republic, saner heads prevailed and the Imperium remained only a terrible dream.

ha it was never built but it is no wank
The American Privateer
20-06-2006, 01:30
*shrugs*

Well, we never see anything but those...

If the Borg where going to turn it into a cube, why would they have been assimilating the Enterprise as is. Now is it possible that they eventualy become cubes or spheres, yes, but like the races they assimilate, I think that the borg allow assimilated ships to maintain their prevous shape.
The American Privateer
20-06-2006, 01:31
well



ha it was never built but it is no wank

Hey, what's the source, if you don't give us one, it is invalid.
Spit break
20-06-2006, 01:35
http://wolfsshipyard.mystarship.com/SWars.html

any thing else? maybe a tour of sky walker ranch
Squornshelous
20-06-2006, 01:38
ha it was never built but it is no wank

It's a moot point whether it's canon or not, becuase this RP is set around the time of the Clone Wars. The biggest ship available is a Venator class star destroyer.
Spit break
20-06-2006, 01:39
gives me a future point to go on
Squornshelous
20-06-2006, 01:46
gives me a future point to go on

What do you mean by that?

This RP is to be set around the same time that Episodes 2 and 3 are.
Thuace
20-06-2006, 01:47
Star Trek side isn't garunteed to lose... Remember Q (basically godish guy)? He would side with Picard over Darth Sidious anyday. Most likely he would come help the federation if they were so grossly outmatched. And Klingons are tough, one with a lightsaber would be freakin scary!
Squornshelous
20-06-2006, 01:52
Star Trek side isn't garunteed to lose... Remember Q (basically godish guy)? He would side with Picard over Darth Sidious anyday. Most likely he would come help the federation if they were so grossly outmatched. And Klingons are tough, one with a lightsaber would be freakin scary!

A few notes I'd like to make about your post.

1. Q by definition is godmodding and we've already agreed to leave the continuum and the other super-powerful races of ST out of this RP, for the sake of good RP.

2. Klingons don't have lightsabers, they have blades and disruptors. Anyway, I'm willing to match Mando'ade supercommandos against Klingons any day.
Spit break
20-06-2006, 02:23
Q is a god mod man
The Longinean Order
20-06-2006, 02:30
hey, NP can you settle this for me, Am I allowed to use the vessels of other nations and/or groups if I assimilate the crew and ship?
Squornshelous
20-06-2006, 02:31
hey, NP can you settle this for me, Am I allowed to use the vessels of other nations and/or groups if I assimilate the crew and ship?

I'm not NP, but that seems like it would be fine to me.

"We will add your uniqueness to our own."
The Longinean Order
20-06-2006, 02:32
I'm not NP, but that seems like it would be fine to me.

"We will add your uniqueness to our own."

My thoughts exactly, nut Nebarri Prime is the one who started this, so I am asking him.

more stuff for my side, this is from the ST wiki
Alcoves were situated in corridors within a Borg vessel. Depending on the type of vessel there would be at least as many alcoves as there were drones. When a ship was captured the alcoves were created where there was space to place them.
Squornshelous
20-06-2006, 02:34
My thoughts exactly, nut Nebarri Prime is the one who started this, so I am asking him.

Yeah, sure, I understand, just throwing in my 2 cents
Nebarri_Prime
20-06-2006, 02:36
hey, NP can you settle this for me, Am I allowed to use the vessels of other nations and/or groups if I assimilate the crew and ship?

yes...but i would think the Borg more likely to assimilate it, disassemble it and use its parts to build a new Borg ship of some kind. unless they needed the ship they currently have in tact due to lack of ability or lack of time to make a new Cube/Sphere/Probe or something
Thuace
20-06-2006, 02:37
A few notes I'd like to make about your post.

1. Q by definition is godmodding and we've already agreed to leave the continuum and the other super-powerful races of ST out of this RP, for the sake of good RP.

2. Klingons don't have lightsabers, they have blades and disruptors. Anyway, I'm willing to match Mando'ade supercommandos against Klingons any day.

1. I know, but wouldn't thousands of star destroyers be considered godmoding against the federations few thousand (even less during dominion war) science/exploration ships?

2. They would take the lightsaber off of a defeated Jedi.
Squornshelous
20-06-2006, 02:40
1. I know, but wouldn't thousands of star destroyers be considered godmoding against the federations few thousand (even less during dominion war) science/exploration ships?

2. They would take the lightsaber off of a defeated Jedi.

A vast empire capable of creating thousands of ships and an all-powerful being are two very different things.

That's assuming they could defeat a Jedi in the first place.
Nebarri_Prime
20-06-2006, 02:40
1. I know, but wouldn't thousands of star destroyers be considered godmoding against the federations few thousand (even less during dominion war) science/exploration ships?

2. They would take the lightsaber off of a defeated Jedi.


1. no, because the Star Trek side doesn't need to fight the Republic(and its no more a godmode then a 2 bill nation fighting a war with a 500 mill one

2. how many Klingons died to get this single Lightsaber?
Thuace
20-06-2006, 02:42
A vast empire capable of creating thousands of ships and an all-powerful being are two very different things.

That's assuming they could defeat a Jedi in the first place.
Q hardly does anything in the series, he mainly just bothers people alot.

Klingons have various extra vital organs and a warrior based culture (complete with martial arts) in development for thousands of years, they seem like a fairly good match for a Jedi.
Nebarri_Prime
20-06-2006, 02:44
Q hardly does anything in the series, he mainly just bothers people alot.

Klingons have various extra vital organs and a warrior based culture (complete with martial arts) in development for thousands of years, they seem like a fairly good match for a Jedi.


about as much as a Magna Guard droid does...less even...
Squornshelous
20-06-2006, 02:44
Q hardly does anything in the series, he mainly just bothers people alot.

Klingons have various extra vital organs and a warrior based culture (complete with martial arts) in development for thousands of years, they seem like a fairly good match for a Jedi.

Forgetting the force are we?
The Longinean Order
20-06-2006, 02:44
1. no, because the Star Trek side doesn't need to fight the Republic(and its no more a godmode then a 2 bill nation fighting a war with a 500 mill one

2. how many Klingons died to get this single Lightsaber?

Also, if the Federation uses the Picard maneuver, then it will win
Warp faster than the light can reach the SD, which would get so distracted that they wouldn't be able to target the right ship.
Thuace
20-06-2006, 02:46
Forgetting the force are we?
Isn't that kind of godmoding? People who can hit shots away from them and jump hundreds of feet without getting hurt?

I kind of think that the tech systems aren't quite compatible.
Nebarri_Prime
20-06-2006, 02:47
Isn't that kind of godmoding? People who can hit shots away from them and jump hundreds of feet without getting hurt?

I kind of think that the tech systems aren't quite compatible.

its not a godmode, a Jedi can be killed by a skilled enough person easily
The Longinean Order
20-06-2006, 02:48
Isn't that kind of godmoding? People who can hit shots away from them and jump hundreds of feet without getting hurt?

I kind of think that the tech systems aren't quite compatible.

But the force has limitations as well, It can't do godmoddish things, and can fail.

I just can't wait to assimilate one, then my borg shall be uber.
Thuace
20-06-2006, 02:48
its not a godmode, a Jedi can be killed by a skilled enough person easily
So would "skilled person" include strong Klingons?
The Longinean Order
20-06-2006, 02:50
So would "skilled person" include strong Klingons?

Disruptors yes, blades, it would take massive numbers.
Thuace
20-06-2006, 02:51
But the force has limitations as well, It can't do godmoddish things, and can fail.
So now projectile deflection, not getting hit by a sword, jumping hundreds of feet, enhanced dexterity, being able to push,pull,grab, and choke from a distance isn't godmoding anymore?
Nebarri_Prime
20-06-2006, 02:51
So would "skilled person" include strong Klingons?

skilled person include a very few elite people with the right type of weapons....
Squornshelous
20-06-2006, 02:51
Also, if the Federation uses the Picard maneuver, then it will win
Warp faster than the light can reach the SD, which would get so distracted that they wouldn't be able to target the right ship.

Warp strafing for the entire duration of an engagement would be an amazing power drain and given the relative fragility of ST power systems (we're givin' you all she's got Cap'n) I don't think that they would be able to sustain powerful enough phaser blasts to do significant damage to a star destroyer.
Thuace
20-06-2006, 02:52
Disruptors yes, blades, it would take massive numbers.
Makes sense.
Nebarri_Prime
20-06-2006, 02:53
So now projectile deflection, not getting hit by a sword, jumping hundreds of feet, enhanced dexterity, being able to push,pull,grab, and choke from a distance isn't godmoding anymore?

not if its the Force...besides. not all Jedi can use all the powers. and some are better in the powers they can use then others
The Longinean Order
20-06-2006, 02:54
So now projectile deflection, not getting hit by a sword, jumping hundreds of feet, enhanced dexterity, being able to push,pull,grab, and choke from a distance isn't godmoding anymore?

If it was a godmode, you could
1.) Choke everyone at once, a Sith has to concentrate on one at a time
2.) They can't deflect all of them, just some, surround a jedi, and it is not possible to block/deflect every blaster bolt. (Plus he needs a 'Saber to pull it off)
3.) if he is jumping, he can't choke, if he is force pushing, he can't jump, etc. A jedi can only do onething at a time.
Thuace
20-06-2006, 02:54
skilled person include a very few elite people with the right type of weapons....
SO let me get this straight...

5000 small starships and "very few weite people with the right types of weapons" meeting millions of star destroyers and 1000s of Jedi is supposed be fair to the Trek side?
Nebarri_Prime
20-06-2006, 02:56
If it was a godmode, you could
1.) Choke everyone at once, a Sith has to concentrate on one at a time
2.) They can't deflect all of them, just some, surround a jedi, and it is not possible to block/deflect every blaster bolt. (Plus he needs a 'Saber to pull it off)
3.) if he is jumping, he can't choke, if he is force pushing, he can't jump, etc. A jedi can only do onething at a time.

well, aside the ability to sense there sroundings even when useing other powers(they can deflect bolts when jumping)
Squornshelous
20-06-2006, 02:57
2.) They can't deflect all of them, just some, surround a jedi, and it is not possible to block/deflect every blaster bolt. (Plus he needs a 'Saber to pull it off)

Exactly, it's like in episode three when the order is given to execute the Jedi, most are able to fight back for a little while, but eventually, one or two blaster bolts get through and it's all over.

While there are some Jedi who are skilled at the absorbtion of energy who can absorb blaster bolts without harm, they are often weaker at other force skills, such as telekinesis and levitation.
The Longinean Order
20-06-2006, 02:59
SO let me get this straight...

5000 small starships and "very few weite people with the right types of weapons" meeting millions of star destroyers and 1000s of Jedi is supposed be fair to the Trek side?

with the right tactics, a smaller force, outr gunned and out classed, can take out a much larger, better armed force, just look at the Battle of Carentan after D-Day, Easy Company went up against a force of three times their own strength, with all smg's, and they won.

For example, Let's say that those ships are Sovereigns, use the picard maneuver, then warp to another point and fire your phasers and torps at you enemies, and warp to another point. Think Nightcrawler in the begining of X2.
Thuace
20-06-2006, 02:59
Exactly, it's like in episode three when the order is given to execute the Jedi, most are able to fight back for a little while, but eventually, one or two blaster bolts get through and it's all over.

While there are some Jedi who are skilled at the absorbtion of energy who can absorb blaster bolts without harm, they are often weaker at other force skills, such as telekinesis and levitation.
The borg is the only group with enough (expendable) robots to pull off an execution if they need to have the Jedi so outnumbered...
Nebarri_Prime
20-06-2006, 03:00
SO let me get this straight...

5000 small starships and "very few weite people with the right types of weapons" meeting millions of star destroyers and 1000s of Jedi is supposed be fair to the Trek side?

its not head on. and i think your overstateing the odds

5-8K Fed ships(similer for Romulans and Klingons. and not counting Borg either)

about 200K Republic and CIS ships overall

10,000 Jedi

many more "skilled people"

the Federation could end up fighting the CIS and allying with the Republic. the Dominion could end up allying with the Fed to fight the Chiss....
The Longinean Order
20-06-2006, 03:00
The borg is the only group with enough (expendable) robots to pull off an execution if they need to have the Jedi so outnumbered...

Why do you think I chose the borg, with that many Jedi, it is the only feasible option. :D
Squornshelous
20-06-2006, 03:01
with the right tactics, a smaller force, outr gunned and out classed, can take out a much larger, better armed force, just look at the Battle of Carentan after D-Day, Easy Company went up against a force of three times their own strength, with all smg's, and they won.

For example, Let's say that those ships are Sovereigns, use the picard maneuver, then warp to another point and fire your phasers and torps at you enemies, and warp to another point. Think Nightcrawler in the begining of X2.

Death Star, need I say more?

The most powerful battlestation that had ever been constructed at the time was destroyed by two squadrons of snubfighters.

In the same way, a small SW force could destroy a much larger ST ship, since most ST ships lack fighter complements and many point defense guns, this makes them amazingly vulnerable to TRD.
Thuace
20-06-2006, 03:02
with the right tactics, a smaller force, outr gunned and out classed, can take out a much larger, better armed force, just look at the Battle of Carentan after D-Day, Easy Company went up against a force of three times their own strength, with all smg's, and they won.

For example, Let's say that those ships are Sovereigns, use the picard maneuver, then warp to another point and fire your phasers and torps at you enemies, and warp to another point. Think Nightcrawler in the begining of X2.
There were very few Sovereigns around at the time of the Dominion war, and most of Starfleet was used up there. Plus thats 3x strength we're talking about 1000x strength here...
Squornshelous
20-06-2006, 03:03
its not head on. and i think your overstateing the odds

5-8K Fed ships(similer for Romulans and Klingons. and not counting Borg either)

about 200K Republic and CIS ships overall

10,000 Jedi

many more "skilled people"

the Federation could end up fighting the CIS and allying with the Republic. the Dominion could end up allying with the Fed to fight the Chiss....

The Mandalorians may end up selling their blasters to the highest bidder, or they could be defeated in battle and pledge allegiance to their conquerors.
The Longinean Order
20-06-2006, 03:03
its not head on. and i think your overstateing the odds

5-8K Fed ships(similer for Romulans and Klingons. and not counting Borg either)

about 200K Republic and CIS ships overall

10,000 Jedi

many more "skilled people"

the Federation could end up fighting the CIS and allying with the Republic. the Dominion could end up allying with the Fed to fight the Chiss....

Yeah, I picture the Republic and the Federation will ally(though 1010102 hates TAP right now), prompting the CIS and Dominion to ally.

I am probably the only one to go without allies, but that suits me just fine(I am the borg after all)
Nebarri_Prime
20-06-2006, 03:03
There were very few Sovereigns around at the time of the Dominion war, and most of Starfleet was used up there. Plus thats 3x strength we're talking about 1000x strength here...

use an Intrepid or an Akira then, still works well
Thuace
20-06-2006, 03:04
Death Star, need I say more?

The most powerful battlestation that had ever been constructed at the time was destroyed by two squadrons of snubfighters.

In the same way, a small SW force could destroy a much larger ST ship, since most ST ships lack fighter complements and many point defense guns, this makes them amazingly vulnerable to TRD.
So millions of these death star destroying ships meeting up with 5000 starships is supposed to be fair to the trek side?
Nebarri_Prime
20-06-2006, 03:05
So millions of these death star destroying ships meeting up with 5000 starships is supposed to be fair to the trek side?

Star Trek has its own fighters as well
The Longinean Order
20-06-2006, 03:05
The Mandalorians may end up selling their blasters to the highest bidder, or they could be defeated in battle and pledge allegiance to their conquerors.

Squorn, remind me to make sure I assimilate some Mandalorians, their ferocity would be a good addition, now I need to come up with Species Codes for the races of SW.
Thuace
20-06-2006, 03:07
use an Intrepid or an Akira then, still works well
Still very few of those around...

(non-Rhetorical) Question;
Did anyone here actually watch the seasons 3-7 of DS9 where the dominion war happend? The Federation was very close to a defeat, a few ships out of place and they would have likely collapsed.
1010102
20-06-2006, 03:08
Yeah, I picture the Republic and the Federation will ally(though 1010102 hates TAP right now), prompting the CIS and Dominion to ally.

I am probably the only one to go without allies, but that suits me just fine(I am the borg after all)


so he's gonna rp as the republic?(insert evil smile and laugh here)

Well i think i could make up a reason to take no prisoners
Thuace
20-06-2006, 03:09
Star Trek has its own fighters as well
Did you watch star trek? The Federation flagship in the Dominion War had about 6 shuttlecraft with one phaser and warp 7 or something a piece.
Squornshelous
20-06-2006, 03:10
So millions of these death star destroying ships meeting up with 5000 starships is supposed to be fair to the trek side?

Snubfighters being strong against the Death Star doesn't mean they are "TEH UBER!" it's all in how you use your forces. You have to know the strengths and weaknesses of your enemy's ships, and the tendancies of their commanders. That way you can plan your attack to take advantage of those things. As Sun Tzu once said:

"If you know your enemy and you know yourself then you need not fear the result of a thousand battles."

Squorn, remind me to make sure I assimilate some Mandalorians, their ferocity would be a good addition, now I need to come up with Species Codes for the races of SW.

Sure, with the variety of weapons used by Mandalorians a Borg vs Mando skirmish should be very interesting.
Nebarri_Prime
20-06-2006, 03:10
Still very few of those around...

any ship could really be used in that way
1010102
20-06-2006, 03:11
an SD has 78 ties. they would just swarm over the federation ships.
Thuace
20-06-2006, 03:12
Snubfighters being strong against the Death Star doesn't mean they are "TEH UBER!" it's all in how you use your forces. You have to know the strengths and weaknesses of your enemy's ships, and the tendancies of their commanders. That way you can plan your attack to take advantage of those things. As Sun Tzu once said:

"If you know your enemy and you know yourself then you need not fear the result of a thousand battles."



Sure, with the variety of weapons used by Mandalorians a Borg vs Mando skirmish should be very interesting.
Most starships only have about 2 or 3 phasers, the only one that I can think of that's comperable to what your talking about is the Defiant class, and there were only 2 built, and they both were destroyed.
Nebarri_Prime
20-06-2006, 03:12
Did you watch star trek? The Federation flagship in the Dominion War had about 6 shuttlecraft with one phaser and warp 7 or something a piece.

an Intrepid holds 4-6 shuttles with 2 Phasers each

you must be forgeting Peregrine class Fighters...
The Longinean Order
20-06-2006, 03:13
so he's gonna rp as the republic?(insert evil smile and laugh here)

Well i think i could make up a reason to take no prisoners

No he called the Fed, and you accepted the Republic, besides, he is not going to be playing as TAP, but as the United Federation of Planets. Any problems you have with him need to be left at the door.
Nebarri_Prime
20-06-2006, 03:14
Most starships only have about 2 or 3 phasers, the only one that I can think of that's comperable to what your talking about is the Defiant class, and there were only 2 built, and they both were destroyed.

most have 4 or more in truth
The Longinean Order
20-06-2006, 03:15
Sure, with the variety of weapons used by Mandalorians a Borg vs Mando skirmish should be very interesting.

My thoughts exactly, the mandalorian weapons would be a great addition to the Borg. Thank you adaptation fields.
1010102
20-06-2006, 03:15
the open circle armada had around 2000-3000 Venator Star destroyers at the beginning of revenge of the Sith. There are 4 armadas total. 20 sector fleets and 5 sector fleets to an armada. that puts the number of Ventor SDs at anywhere from 10000-15000 Ventors in the entire republic Navy. this force would crush the any ST force.
Nebarri_Prime
20-06-2006, 03:15
an SD has 78 ties. they would just swarm over the federation ships.

72 not 78
Thuace
20-06-2006, 03:15
Could I join the RP as The Dominion, Starbase Captain, or Klingon empire?

Also- what part of the Dominion War is this? There was alot of alliance shifting in it.
1010102
20-06-2006, 03:16
No he called the Fed, and you accepted the Republic, besides, he is not going to be playing as TAP, but as the United Federation of Planets. Any problems you have with him need to be left at the door.

fine i still won't make an alliance with him.
Nebarri_Prime
20-06-2006, 03:16
the open circle armada had around 2000-3000 Venator Star destroyers at the beginning of revenge of the Sith. There are 4 armadas total. 20 sector fleets and 5 sector fleets to an armada. that puts the number of Ventor SDs at anywhere from 10000-15000 Ventors in the entire republic Navy. this force would crush the any ST force.

not any, and depends on how you use your ships
Squornshelous
20-06-2006, 03:16
72 not 78

Correct, but once again, a moot point, as we aren't working with ISD's.

a Lucrehulk on the other hand does hold a fairly ridiculous amount of droid fighters.
1010102
20-06-2006, 03:16
72 not 78
thanks
The Longinean Order
20-06-2006, 03:17
Could I join the RP as The Dominion, Starbase Captain, or Klingon empire?

Also- what part of the Dominion War is this? There was alot of alliance shifting in it.

I am hoping about halfway, so that I can use the specialised nanoprobes against UP, otherwise I gotta stay away from him if at all possible.
Nebarri_Prime
20-06-2006, 03:17
Could I join the RP as The Dominion, Starbase Captain, or Klingon empire?

Also- what part of the Dominion War is this? There was alot of alliance shifting in it.

so far as i know(don't know the time line)

but i was thinking

Romulan, Klingon, Fed against Dominion, Cardassians(sp?) and Breen
The Longinean Order
20-06-2006, 03:18
fine i still won't make an alliance with him.

What is your problemn with him anyways, he didn't give me the exact details
Squornshelous
20-06-2006, 03:19
Also, this isn't straight up ST vs SW, it's not as if the spereatists and the republic are suddenly going to stop fighting each other in order to beat up on the federation, or that the dominion will ally themselves with the feds to attack coruscant. We're not talking a straight up fight here, there's going to be gray areas. That's part of the reason why I chose the Mandos. I can side with whomever I want to.
Nebarri_Prime
20-06-2006, 03:19
Correct, but once again, a moot point, as we aren't working with ISD's.

a Lucrehulk on the other hand does hold a fairly ridiculous amount of droid fighters.

1,500 i think...and 72 is for the ISD, a Venator is 420 i think
The Longinean Order
20-06-2006, 03:20
Also, this isn't straight up ST vs SW, it's not as if the spereatists and the republic are suddenly going to stop fighting each other in order to beat up on the federation, or that the dominion will ally themselves with the feds to attack coruscant. We're not talking a straight up fight here, there's going to be gray areas. That's part of the reason why I chose the Mandos. I can side with whomever I want to.

And I attack all, Squorn, we are going to have a better time mucking with all sides plans than any one else.
Thuace
20-06-2006, 03:20
I am hoping about halfway, so that I can use the specialised nanoprobes against UP, otherwise I gotta stay away from him if at all possible.
But weren't the Klingons against the Federation at the time? Whatever, there's nothing to unite the Alpha and Beta Quadrants like a Gamma, Delta Quadrant and Whatever galaxy SW is from threat.

Please excuse the awkward (and likely incorrect) grammatical structure of the last sentence.
1010102
20-06-2006, 03:21
IGNORED

Thats why. he did that do my declaration of war on his nation.
Nebarri_Prime
20-06-2006, 03:22
Could I join the RP as The Dominion, Starbase Captain, or Klingon empire?

whatever one you want
Kahless Khan
20-06-2006, 03:22
Klingons and Romulans (even the Tholians!) will join the Federation to defeat the Galaxy Far Far Away.
Thuace
20-06-2006, 03:22
Can I be the Klingons?
Kahless Khan
20-06-2006, 03:23
Can I be the Klingons?

Sure, you can be Kahless the Unforgettable. In case you're not a trekker, Kahless is the one who united Klingon.
Nebarri_Prime
20-06-2006, 03:23
Can I be the Klingons?

sure
The American Privateer
20-06-2006, 03:24
But weren't the Klingons against the Federation at the time? Whatever, there's nothing to unite the Alpha and Beta Quadrants like a Gamma, Delta Quadrant and Whatever galaxy SW is from threat.

Please excuse the awkward (and likely incorrect) grammatical structure of the last sentence.

The borg, The great Uniters. Who woulda thought. But yeah, Thuace, as soon as TLO appears, we gotta ally. To quote some one (Sorta), "A galaxy United, is stronger than a Galaxy divided." Plus, I know he has his sights on me, he is going to give me grief about it for weeks in RL if he assimilates the entire force I send in.

NP, when are we going to start?
Squornshelous
20-06-2006, 03:25
And I attack all, Squorn, we are going to have a better time mucking with all sides plans than any one else.

I'm certainly looking forward to it.

Looking forward, I think I can see my Mandos getting along very well wtih klingons, provided they meet under the right circumstances.
Nebarri_Prime
20-06-2006, 03:26
The borg, The great Uniters. Who woulda thought. But yeah, Thuace, as soon as TLO appears, we gotta ally. To quote some one (Sorta), "A galaxy United, is stronger than a Galaxy divided." Plus, I know he has his sights on me, he is going to give me grief about it for weeks in RL if he assimilates the entire force I send in.

NP, when are we going to start?

when does everyone want to start?
The American Privateer
20-06-2006, 03:26
Thats why. he did that do my declaration of war on his nation.

blacklisting you is not grounds for war. You gotta come up with a better reason than that.
The American Privateer
20-06-2006, 03:27
when does everyone want to start?

TLO is complaining to me about how bad he wants to start, and I am ready, so count us ready for this.
Squornshelous
20-06-2006, 03:28
TLO is complaining to me about how bad he wants to start, and I am ready, so count us ready for this.

Most of us do seem to be online at the moment.
The American Privateer
20-06-2006, 03:29
I'm certainly looking forward to it.

Looking forward, I think I can see my Mandos getting along very well wtih klingons, provided they meet under the right circumstances.

Yes, Ally with the klingons, then We ally with both of you, and TLO doesn't stand a chance.
Thuace
20-06-2006, 03:29
Sure, you can be Kahless the Unforgettable. In case you're not a trekker, Kahless is the one who united Klingon.
I'm a TREKKIE there is a difference... And the true Kahless is dead I pick Gen./Chancellor Martok as my primarily played charachter.
Thuace
20-06-2006, 03:33
I'm certainly looking forward to it.

Looking forward, I think I can see my Mandos getting along very well wtih klingons, provided they meet under the right circumstances.
Lol. I can see Klingons getting along very well with Klingons, provided they meet under the right circumstances, these Mandos semm like honourable warriors themselves.
Squornshelous
20-06-2006, 03:35
Yes, Ally with the klingons, then We ally with both of you, and TLO doesn't stand a chance.

Keep in mind, I'm not leading a huge race with armadas of vessels. The Mandalorians at this time had been reduced to a small group of elite fighters by constant warring.

Gone are the days of the mighty Mandalorian Empire. They were defeated several times by the Jedi, and now, thousands of years later, they are down to a few hundred,
Squornshelous
20-06-2006, 03:36
Lol. I can see Klingons getting along very well with Klingons, provided they meet under the right circumstances, these Mandos semm like honourable warriors themselves.

Very much so. They and the Klingons will either be the strongest of allies or the worst of enemies. I think the one difference is that Mandalorians don't take war personally. They have often admitted defeat, and highly honor those who have defeated them in battle.
The Longinean Order
20-06-2006, 03:39
Keep in mind, I'm not leading a huge race with armadas of vessels. The Mandalorians at this time had been reduced to a small group of elite fighters by constant warring.

Gone are the days of the mighty Mandalorian Empire. They were defeated several times by the Jedi, and now, thousands of years later, they are down to a few hundred,

And that is how I shall defeat and assimilate your race, after you have attempted alliance with the Kilgons

NP: can I start off with the mopping up of the assimilation of Species 329 (Kazon), to make up for what Species 8472 has done to me so far?
The Soviet Emirates
20-06-2006, 03:40
Wow, I hope you all realize how big of losers you are. Go get girlfriends. TNG Rules.
Thuace
20-06-2006, 03:41
Very much so. They and the Klingons will either be the strongest of allies or the worst of enemies. I think the one difference is that Mandalorians don't take war personally. They have often admitted defeat, and highly honor those who have defeated them in battle.
Agreed. Klingons don't take war personally, they take it as an insult to their house. But your right... The klingons are pretty bitter to those they lose to, and as a result they just tend not to lose much.
Nebarri_Prime
20-06-2006, 03:43
And that is how I shall defeat and assimilate your race, after you have attempted alliance with the Kilgons

NP: can I start off with the mopping up of the assimilation of Species 329 (Kazon), to make up for what Species 8472 has done to me so far?

Kazon where deemed unworthy of assimilation to assimilate(besides i wanted to do some stuff with them)

but you could start of with a mop up of anything else in the delta quad(save Hirogen or Krenim(sp?))
Nebarri_Prime
20-06-2006, 03:45
Wow, I hope you all realize how big of losers you are. Go get girlfriends. TNG Rules.

please shut up and don't post if anything else you post is as uncreative/unhelpfull as this post
Squornshelous
20-06-2006, 03:47
please shut up and don't post if anything else you post is as uncreative/unhelpfull as this post

Just put him on your ignore list. That's the first post he's made so I'm not exactly looking forward to any other posts he's likely to make.
Thuace
20-06-2006, 03:47
Wow, I hope you all realize how big of losers you are. Go get girlfriends. TNG Rules.
How dishonourable a post *slaps with back of hand* and you probably don't know what that means.
Go DS9!
The Longinean Order
20-06-2006, 03:49
Kazon where deemed unworthy of assimilation to assimilate(besides i wanted to do some stuff with them)

but you could start of with a mop up of anything else in the delta quad(save Hirogen or Krenim(sp?))

after the combat with 8472, they assimilated any and all, but that will work

Mopping up operations iclude,
All of the 180 in Delta (about fifty ferengi at most)
species 521 on their homeworld
a planet of 689
and all of species 330 (My designation for the Trabe)
Nebarri_Prime
20-06-2006, 04:28
ok, just remember this. when you find species from SW you should have the number larger then 10026 (the largest known Species number used by Borg as of known date) and as far as i can tell. they number there encounters one at a time going up
The Longinean Order
20-06-2006, 04:50
ok, just remember this. when you find species from SW you should have the number larger then 10026 (the largest known Species number used by Borg as of known date) and as far as i can tell. they number there encounters one at a time going up

I know, I already have a plan for the numbers based on which group I meet first
1010102
20-06-2006, 05:08
blacklisting you is not grounds for war. You gotta come up with a better reason than that.

when you blacklist a nation on multiple tech levels it is.

I also wanted an exuse to conquer someone anyway and this gave it to me.
1010102
20-06-2006, 05:19
I'm ready to start. when in the clone wars is this? beginning, middle or end?
Nebarri_Prime
20-06-2006, 05:28
middle endish i guess
1010102
20-06-2006, 05:33
so before ROS?
Nebarri_Prime
20-06-2006, 05:34
so before ROS?

yes
1010102
20-06-2006, 05:36
ok good. so when are we gonna start. (i can use victory class star destroyers now!)
Nebarri_Prime
20-06-2006, 05:51
ok good. so when are we gonna start. (i can use victory class star destroyers now!)

we can start now. other people and such can be worked out as we move along

i however will not be making the starting post(due to peronal preferance)
Kilani
20-06-2006, 06:18
we can start now. other people and such can be worked out as we move along

i however will not be making the starting post(due to peronal preferance)

Are we going to have on big thread or are we going to be making a bunch of smaller threads?

I personally think smaller threads would work better then all of us chaotically posting in one huge mondo thread...
Kilani
20-06-2006, 06:21
And can we make up our own characters rather then pulling in canon characters?
Jarvon
20-06-2006, 07:18
I'm pretty sure the borg turn assimilated starships into cubes or spheres or what have you.

Nope. That's what they produce, but they keep assimilated ships in their original shape, at least mostly.

Canon evidence: The partial assimilation of Voyager and the ship from the Enterprise episode.

I would be glad to have your support, and as for the Marine Corps, while they are never officialy mentioned, the listings for ship crews always state that they had Marines on board, do I would say that the Marine Corps should be allowed.

Canonly, we have the MACOs and the Hazard Teams. Of course, the uniforms with green in DS9 were supposed to indicate Marine (I've pretty much memorized the color schemes for every series).

well



ha it was never built but it is no wank

You do know that's not canon but actually some fanon back story the artist wrote to go along with the pic?

yes...but i would think the Borg more likely to assimilate it, disassemble it and use its parts to build a new Borg ship of some kind. unless they needed the ship they currently have in tact due to lack of ability or lack of time to make a new Cube/Sphere/Probe or something

They can do that, but only if its required. Seriously, would you rather have a fleet of several assimilated vessels, or take them all apart to build the one or two cubes you could out of them?

Personnally, I would go with the fleet.

If it was a godmode, you could
1.) Choke everyone at once, a Sith has to concentrate on one at a time

I think Huntaer would say otherwise.

2.) They can't deflect all of them, just some, surround a jedi, and it is not possible to block/deflect every blaster bolt. (Plus he needs a 'Saber to pull it off)

Incorrect. Vader was canonly able to use just his outstretched hand while the gang were on/in Bespin City.

3.) if he is jumping, he can't choke, if he is force pushing, he can't jump, etc. A jedi can only do onething at a time.

Cite your source.

Death Star, need I say more?

The most powerful battlestation that had ever been constructed at the time was destroyed by two squadrons of snubfighters.

In the same way, a small SW force could destroy a much larger ST ship, since most ST ships lack fighter complements and many point defense guns, this makes them amazingly vulnerable to TRD.

Incorrect. There are canon instances of fighters during the Dominion War. Just listen to the dialouge.

Of course, fighters are kind of pointless when ST weapons are so accurate that they could just blast away at unshield TIEs and vape them with single shots.

@All: I can actually go to a site that I consider reliable enough that has the general numbers of ships every canon race had. It even subtracts canon Dominion War era losses.

Here's what it says for the pre-loss subtraction totals.

Species 8472 (70,000 total ships):
60,000 Bioships
10,000 Planetbusters

Bajorans (74 capital ships+150 small craft=224 total ships):
50 Assault Ships
6 Emissary class cargo ships
12 Kendra class cargo ships
4 Pagh class trading/cargo starships
2 Prophet class general purpose starships
150 sub-impulse fighters

Borg (140,000 total ships):
50,000 Spheres
20,000 Cubes
10,000 Probes
60,000 Tactical Cubes

Cardassian (3,105 total ships):
650 freighters
850 Galor class destroyers
1,200 Hideki class patrol craft
405 Keldon class heavy cruisers

Dominion (18,890 total ships):
17,451 attack ships
1,405 battlecruisers
30 battleships
4 dreadnaughts

Klingons (7,853 capital shps+791 small craft=8,644 total ships):
1,654 B'Rel class birds of prey (cruiser)
4,191 D-13 class birds of prey (scout)
828 K'T'Inga class light cruisers (Early model, circa. 2271)
704 K'T'Inga class light cruisers (Refit, late model)
9 Negh'var class battleships
467 Vor'cha class attack cruisers
791 K'pak class light corvettes

Romulans (2,927 capital ships+2,264 small craft=5,191 total ships):
457 D'Deridex class battleships
1,050 science ships
1,420 scouts
2,114 long range warp shuttles
150 Scorpion class ground attack craft

Federation (7,876 capital ships+68,954 small craft=76,830 total ships):
191 Akira class heavy cruisers
58 Ambassador class enhanced scientific/diplomatic explorers
403 Centaur class frigates
42 Challenger class light cruisers
136 Cheyenne class enhanced scientific/diplomatic explorers
9 Constellation class cruisers
31 Defiant class escorts
414 Excelsior class explorers/cruisers (standard/original/basic version)
102 Excelsior class explorers/countercloak cruisers (1701-B subtype)
1 Excelsior class combat enhanced cruiser (Lakota subtype)
59 Freedom class destroyers
18 Galaxy class explorers/heavy cruisers (basic/original/standard version)
31 Galaxy class explorers/heavy cruisers (uprated/refit version)
26 Griffin class destroyers
1 holoship
50 Intrepid class light explorers/scouts
820 Miranda class destroyers (refit version)
50 Nebula SWAC class explorers/heavy cruisers (basic/standard/original version)
25 Nebula class explorers/heavy cruisers (basic/standard/original version with weapons pod)
25 Nebula class explorers/heavy cruisers (uprated/refit version with weapons pod)
456 New Orleans class frigates
144 Niagra class fast cruisers
299 Norway class destroyers (science/diplomacy enhanced)
18 Nova class science vessels
2,186 Oberth class science vessels
101 Olympic class medical vessels
66 Polaris class frigates
1 Prometheus class
480 gamma type assault craft (raiders)
137 Raven class research vessels
84 Rigel class long range explorers
724 Saber class scouts
389 Shelly class cargo vessels
3 Sovereign class enhanced deterrence explorers (basic/original/standard version)
5 Sovereign class enhanced deterrence explorers (refit/uprated version)
18 Springfield class frigates
240 Steamrunner class light cruisers
20 Trident class cruisers
13 Yeager class scouts
1 Argo class shuttle
1,865 Danube class multirole interstellar craft
2 Delta Flyer class general purpose interstellar craft
380 scoutships
1,035 trainers
2,624 orbital shuttles
10,897 Peregrine class medium fighters
12 Type 11 shuttles
2,185 Type 15 shuttles
1,759 Type 18 shuttles
2,208 Type 6 shuttles (basic/original/standard version)
450 Type 6 shuttles (updated/refit version)
6,432 Type 7 shuttles (basic/original/standard version)
1,217 Type 7 shuttles (updated/refit version)
2,839 Type 8 shuttles (basic/original/standard version)
1,012 Type 8 shuttles (updated/refit version)
13,600 Type 9 shuttles
20,436 work bees

an SD has 78 ties. they would just swarm over the federation ships.

And then they would be destroyed by pin-point phaser fire with one shot each.

When weapons are that accurate and cover every arc, there is no need to go overkill on number of total weapons.

Also, this isn't straight up ST vs SW, it's not as if the spereatists and the republic are suddenly going to stop fighting each other in order to beat up on the federation, or that the dominion will ally themselves with the feds to attack coruscant. We're not talking a straight up fight here, there's going to be gray areas. That's part of the reason why I chose the Mandos. I can side with whomever I want to.

Another good reason I decided to go with a Mirror Universe faction.

I'm a TREKKIE there is a difference... And the true Kahless is dead I pick Gen./Chancellor Martok as my primarily played charachter.

Technically true, but you forget about the Kahless clone shown in the TNG episode.

And, just to clarify, I'm a Trekker. I hope you recognize the difference between the two.

Just to help you to, here's the quote from Wiki on it:

"Trekker" is used as a term for the kind of Star Trek fan who is obsessed with the minutiae and the fine details.

I won't go into what it said about Trekkies, let's just say it wasn't nice.

Wow, I hope you all realize how big of losers you are. Go get girlfriends. TNG Rules.

Dude, if you are just going to post *censored* like that piece of *censored* then you won't be welcome in any NS RP.

How dishonourable a post *slaps with back of hand* and you probably don't know what that means.
Go DS9!

Agreed.

Of course, I prefer the Movie era myself (that's movies II-VI and everything in between (the so called "Lost Years" periods) for you not in the know).
Kilani
20-06-2006, 07:27
Canonly, we have the MACOs and the Hazard Teams. Of course, the uniforms with green in DS9 were supposed to indicate Marine (I've pretty much memorized the color schemes for every series).


Alright. Marine Corp here we come.



Incorrect. Vader was canonly able to use just his outstretched hand while the gang were on/in Bespin City.


To be fair, Vader's hand was made of metal. But yes, some Jedi can absorb energy into their bodies.


BTW, have you heard anything about Kanedea fighters?
Jarvon
20-06-2006, 07:45
@Kilani: If its ever been seen on-screen in any episode of any of the series or any of the movies from the Star Trek universe, I can see what I can dig up. Of course, I may know it by a different name.

Do you have any other info about it that I can use to help me?
Kilani
20-06-2006, 07:52
Well, I was doing research for the RP and stumbled on an interesting site with stats apparently compiled by fans from various canon sources. It was mentioned.

Link (http://techspecs.acalltoduty.com/akira.html#9.3%20KANEDA%20SPACE%20SUPERIORITY%20FIGHTER)

That's where it showed up. I know about it, but I was wondering if you'd ever heard anything about at as you seem to be resident expert.