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Of course not, what a thing to say about your own posts!

No really though i don't even read them online anymore, i print them off and read them in a nice armchair because they are such good reads that i need to read them in a decent chair- seriously i do that!

15 pages is a real monster so thanks for the heads up because the printer needs a refill!

OOC: Damn, I need to get more active in here. I do send escorts with my convoys but not that large so any escorts you can provide are well received.

Btw, I might actually enter the theater to help you out directly if thats okay with you and Stevid.

Stevid and Athiesism, I owe you guys a long post. There's a lot to read in that thread. I'm going to have to print it out at the Uni (and scrape up the money to print it out) and read it on my spare time, and then I'll make a post in two or three days (from tonight). Sorry for the wait.

I'm so gonna get double teamed here. When's Safehaven coming back?

I'm so gonna get double teamed here. When's Safehaven coming back?

Hehe, if you think its a bit unfair then I won't enter in direct support of Athiesism. But that's your choice (and Athiesism's). :)

I'm so gonna get double teamed here. When's Safehaven coming back?
When somebody pulls him out of E20, now reincarnated as Diaspora 21...

If you really want to get in, Space Union, you could. The thing with unbalanced RPs is that the stronger side is always assumed to loose the most to "ballance it out". You could send ground forces to help my units in Bigtoa, they're very crappy and we can give Stevid a decisive land victory in exchange for being outnumbered. Stevid could also wipe out my fleet at any second if he wanted to, I guess he's just being nice about it. So if Mac and Space Union joined, it wouldn't have to be unbalanced, it would just mean "the gloves would come off", possibly including nuclear and chemical weapons (Merkar has no stockpile of those). :mp5:

But if you want to stay safe, Space Union, you could send a token force, maybe a few fighter wings, a flotilla, and/or a few thousand men.

Thanks for the effort, Mac. I know it's a pain to read dozens of pages of crap, and most RPers wouldn't do that and would just put up a ignorant post after skimming through the thread. Really nice that everyone here is so commited to A Passion Play despite the school season.

Also kind of funny that Mac's university would stoop down to force its students to pay for printing :confused: Couldn't you just go to some library?

OOC: Well actually I was just going to send my aerial forces to deal with Stevid and a token ground force to help out on the ground, though, not take the lead there. So is this fine? (My air force contribution, I admit, will be large but my ground contribuation will be small enough not to unbalance the RP). But lets hear what Stevid has to say. :)

I'm so gonna get double teamed here. When's Safehaven coming back?

Doesn't matter. 90% of my armed forces will always be in the front regardless if he RPs, or not.

OOC: Well actually I was just going to send my aerial forces to deal with Stevid and a token ground force to help out on the ground, though, not take the lead there. So is this fine? (My air force contribution, I admit, will be large but my ground contribuation will be small enough not to unbalance the RP). But lets hear what Stevid has to say. :)

I wasn't saying it wasn't fair in the slightest, i'll fight regardless of what happens but i'm cool with what you've suggested. Your air force is rightly fear around the globe and, lets face it, my FAA and RAF are preying on everything that's unguarded/defended in Athiesism right now.

I have a lot of air units in Safehaven that can make the hop across the sea and become involved to help the FAA against SUs own air force, and i'm cool with you sending ground units. On the whole it will mean i don't totally lord it over Athiesism in the air (which is the current situation at the moment) and i i'll have to fight hard to keep the air clear.

A post is coming soon Athiesism and it'll be pretty long. I'm finally making a move on your fleet and moving on the Canal so we can see what this 4th Division is made of! It will be along sooner or later and i'm trying to draw a map showing my advance so i know just where i am in relation to my plans to take Bigtoa- it's gonna be a long campaign yet and i'm not totaly sure how far i am from Berkar City.

Hey guys, Ive been pretty much out with illness of one form or another since really the start of the year :(. Also my laptop has completely broken so as I'm at uni my internet access has suddenly become quite fragile relying on these machines. Fingers crossed that I'm getting over the illness and will have a new comp soon so that I can get back into this RP within the next week. Stevid your not completely alone, my wonderful token troops and obsolete aircraft and ships are here too :).

On another note, my uni also charges for printouts at about 5p per black and white sheet (which is quite frankly ridiculous if I'm honest!)

Southeast asia, you asked for an explenation of my Empire's culture;

Prior to the war Jonach I had attempted to build the Empire along the lines of a religious institution, and put a lot of money into breaking away from the Catholic Church, and starting the 'Church of the Broken Dawn'. Under his rule Catholics in Sarcanza were persecuted (part of the reason why Sarcanza rebelled in mid-2016). There was even a crusading order although it was disbanded at the start of the war, when Fedor I said that it would have no part in the fighting or in the post-war reconstruction of SafeHaven2 (who was expected to be defeated). When the war started it was obvious that Fedor I was not as religious as his grandfather and that he would not be pursuing a similar religious agenda. For that reason the Church is going to almost dissapear by the end of the war, Fedor is going to legalize Catholicism, and Catholicism will probably replace the Church of the Broken Dawn as the leading religion in the Empire within fifty years or so.

The extent of the lack of religion in the Empire can be seen in the education system and in the law. I think the deathblow for religion came during the Great Civil War (~1898-2005) when the independent kingdoms and republics did away with it almost entirely as a political institution - unlike the First Empire, which was religiously devoted (like most Christian-majority Empires of the era). Despite Jonach's attempt to indentify with all powerful national church, the fact that it was nationalized is an example of how Jonach wanted something to re-unify the Empire. He never really cared what did this role, but he thought the Church would do it. Fedor's unification factor is anti-Havenic Nationalism and so doesn't need the Church at all.

I mentioned imperial law; the parliament was started by Jonach I, but later disbanded some years prior to his death, as he tried to turn the country into a military state. There are some who rumor that Jonach I was preparing for total war against some other state - a war that would surpass all his previous crusades (against Kahta, for instance). These rumors will never be substantiated, as there were no clear signs of military preperation for an invasion. But, it became irrelevent after the Weigari rebellion and the Havenic invasion. In regards to laws, gay marriage is legal, as is abortion, et cetera. Gun laws are lax, and there is no civilian death penalty (in the military, you can be sentenced to death for a variety of crimes; the military actively practices 'decimation', as well, at normally company level - that is, the execution of every tenth man). The maximum jail sentence is twenty-five years, unless you are deemed a terrorist, in which you will be given a life sentence. Terrorist is not necessarily the same definition as the one used by Bush - anybody who threatens the life of any number of citizens is considered a terrorist (murder by means of something that will kill many in one blow).

Since the war there has been a growth in rascism. This is against most foreign nationalities - whether it's a race or not. There has been increased antisemetism, and there are a lot of Jews in the Empire - Judaism comprises around 24% of the population. That is ~1.8 billion Jews. There, however, have been government programs, including extensive television and radio advertising which glorifies the Jews for what they have done for the state - especially the ~750,000 Jewish soldiers who fight for their Emperor by October 2016. However, rascism is not curtailed against the hispanic races that immigrated from Zarbia and SafeHaven2, resulting in at least four hundred racism driven murders since the beginning of the war.

Does this help?

Southeast asia, you asked for an explenation of my Empire's culture;

Prior to the war Jonach I had attempted to build the Empire along the lines of a religious institution, and put a lot of money into breaking away from the Catholic Church, and starting the 'Church of the Broken Dawn'. Under his rule Catholics in Sarcanza were persecuted (part of the reason why Sarcanza rebelled in mid-2016). There was even a crusading order although it was disbanded at the start of the war, when Fedor I said that it would have no part in the fighting or in the post-war reconstruction of SafeHaven2 (who was expected to be defeated). When the war started it was obvious that Fedor I was not as religious as his grandfather and that he would not be pursuing a similar religious agenda. For that reason the Church is going to almost dissapear by the end of the war, Fedor is going to legalize Catholicism, and Catholicism will probably replace the Church of the Broken Dawn as the leading religion in the Empire within fifty years or so.

The extent of the lack of religion in the Empire can be seen in the education system and in the law. I think the deathblow for religion came during the Great Civil War (~1898-2005) when the independent kingdoms and republics did away with it almost entirely as a political institution - unlike the First Empire, which was religiously devoted (like most Christian-majority Empires of the era). Despite Jonach's attempt to indentify with all powerful national church, the fact that it was nationalized is an example of how Jonach wanted something to re-unify the Empire. He never really cared what did this role, but he thought the Church would do it. Fedor's unification factor is anti-Havenic Nationalism and so doesn't need the Church at all.

I mentioned imperial law; the parliament was started by Jonach I, but later disbanded some years prior to his death, as he tried to turn the country into a military state. There are some who rumor that Jonach I was preparing for total war against some other state - a war that would surpass all his previous crusades (against Kahta, for instance). These rumors will never be substantiated, as there were no clear signs of military preperation for an invasion. But, it became irrelevent after the Weigari rebellion and the Havenic invasion. In regards to laws, gay marriage is legal, as is abortion, et cetera. Gun laws are lax, and there is no civilian death penalty (in the military, you can be sentenced to death for a variety of crimes; the military actively practices 'decimation', as well, at normally company level - that is, the execution of every tenth man). The maximum jail sentence is twenty-five years, unless you are deemed a terrorist, in which you will be given a life sentence. Terrorist is not necessarily the same definition as the one used by Bush - anybody who threatens the life of any number of citizens is considered a terrorist (murder by means of something that will kill many in one blow).

Since the war there has been a growth in rascism. This is against most foreign nationalities - whether it's a race or not. There has been increased antisemetism, and there are a lot of Jews in the Empire - Judaism comprises around 24% of the population. That is ~1.8 billion Jews. There, however, have been government programs, including extensive television and radio advertising which glorifies the Jews for what they have done for the state - especially the ~750,000 Jewish soldiers who fight for their Emperor by October 2016. However, rascism is not curtailed against the hispanic races that immigrated from Zarbia and SafeHaven2, resulting in at least four hundred racism driven murders since the beginning of the war.

Does this help?
Thanks. I got the impression that the Macabee Imperium was a hardline culturally conservative society, but on a social level, when it came to other ideals and customs and beliefs, they wouldn't mind other ideas, just not have it imposed on them. However, the Church of Broken Dawn, did give me more of the impression of a hardline culturally conservative society on a national level but with a light tint of social progressivism in it...after all, since you do come from Spain (at least via ancestry), I figured that Broken Dawn did have some derivation from it, and so did the fictitious language of Dienstadi...

I'm going to hold off my reply to give Mac a chance to catch up. Space Union is probably going to RP the attack on the convoy in the meantime.

OOC: hehe, now a way for me to join the RP. I'll get a post up soon.

Your concerned about your casualties Space Union? Should should be more concerned about mine when they come :D I've had a bad history of estimating losses! I'm thinking that only three Scorpions survive and....well..... that's it considering the amount of missiles you chucked at me- which, of course your at liberty to use at whim.

I should start thinking about designing a super bomber of my own because they seem like a very wise investment and i can use your aircraft design thread on the NS Draftrrom to help. It certainly won't be fighting in this campaign any time soon but i could use one.

Any way nice post, i'll reply when Athiesism replies as well so i can shove everything into one.

OOC: Hehe, yes gigantic, uber bombers are very useful indeed. But as for casualties, I was kind of worried that I might have not got them right as I had to guess on how many anti-shipping missiles you flinged, but if it looks good by you then, I'll shut up. ;)

I had a reply up for your thread, I swear - I just deleted it when I realized I still don't know what's going on in that thread. The Uni. returned to me 48 dollars that I overpayed, so I'm going to invest part of that in printing out that thread so that I can read it; but, this is good news - it means post up soon.

Printing today, now that we're back in school!

... 52 pages of this crap!

I feel your pain. :headbang:

Well, you don't have to read all of it. Nothing really out of the ordinary has happened. All you have to read is maybe the latest 2-3 posts in the War of the Athiesism Islands thread.

I've been lazy for the past few days and all that I've "had time" for has been video games (finishing Tachyon) and SAT study. I have, however, started working on a post. ETC 2-3 more days at most- or does Mac want me to hold off?

All you need to know is that Stevid has an unspecificed number of troops (I think it's about 200-300,000 from his fleet manifest which lists the number of marines he has) invading New Bigtoa- on the GD map it's the island with the city Berkar and it's linked with Liliputia (which has the capital city, Athasism) by an isthmus. His troops are much more combat-experienced and motivated than mine and they have advanced one-half to one-third of the way through the island from the east. I have a division performing delay while I prepare the Ribir Line at the Ribir canal in the middle of the island. New Bigtoa is only about 30X30 miles (60X60 km) and Stevid has taken the eastern 10-15 miles already. I have about 50,000 troops, 1,000 tanks and 1,000 rocket artillery in the immediate theater, with more on the way.

At sea my fleet is in a defensive position southwest of New Bigtoa. It's surrounded on all sides by narrow inlets although it only numbers 200 destroyers, 100 carriers, 100+ submarines, a dozen or so logistics/minesweepers and 50 fighter-bombers and is running low on ammo. Stevid has 500+ escorts, a hundred carriers, lots of planes and a dozen or so BBs/SDs in his fleet, which is vaguely northeast of Athiesism. He also has like 5,000 land-based aircraft. He will soon launch an airstrike on my fleet and is already doing some bombing runs on other targets outside the fleet.

That's all you need to know. Like I said, all you need to do is read the latest 2-3 posts to get an idea of what's going on.

I think I need to post before this thread dies. I have about 5 pages of stuff, but Mac, you don't need to read it if you don't want to, basically all it says is that I'm intercepting Stevid's bombers. I was going to work on a post about the 4th Division but you guys have probably been waiting for me to post so I wanted to get something out quick.

Stevid, if you really want to know what happened on the ground, say the 4th Division was almost totally destroyed. They delayed your advance for 12 hours during the night but by morning the 70% of the division that's left has mostly withdrawn across the Ribir, although there is a small pocket in the extreme north. Your air strike hit the positions that they had abandoned during the night but did knock out almost all of the bridges- mostly pontoon bridges- over the Ribir canal.

Hey guys, I just got back from Italy so thats why I have been inactive-ish. So, what can I do to get this rolling again?

OOC: Welcome back HailandKill. :)

Yea, I think we should all continue to post and Mac will post when he eventually gets time.

*Looks at Stevid* hehe :D

Hailandkill, literally the only thing going on right now is the War for Athiesism Islands (http://www.forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=515403&highlight=athiesism). I'm not sure which side you're on, but if you want to join in read the most recent three or so posts and then assist either Stevid or me. Either one is good, Stevid has a powerful navy and so is a major threat to me yet if you join Stevid you will balance out Space Union's entry. Good to have you back. :cool:

Stevid said something about making a map of Bigtoa. I decided to make one myself. I copy-and-pasted part of the Greater Dienstad map and worked with it in Paint. Here's the current situation, minus Stevidian forces:

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a333/Athiesism/Bigtoa1.jpg

A blank map of Bigtoa:

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a333/Athiesism/Bigtoalarge.jpg

edit: Sorry for the low resolution. Save it to your computer and zoom in to see the text.

Well, I am with Mac in this war so the only way I could enter that battle is on your side and I don't want to see that battle get stacked.

Shouldn't be a problem, Hailandkill, I'm getting rolled over. Stevid has complete air superiority, he's about to wipe out my fleet, and his ground forces are a lot more disciplined and experienced than mine. You could at least send a small contingent of troops or aircraft like Space Union did- if you're worried about balance you only need to send a small force. Space Union's actually thinking of sending in even more stuff.

War of the Athiesism Islands? More like Battle for the Athiesist Archipelago...do keep aware that while your front is significant, it doesn't form the picture. And as a note HailandKill, I originally proposed to Athiesism his way of entering was Safehaven2 striking (Realism purposes anyone? The Havenite Pact obviously would do everything they could to make sure the Golden Throne couldn't take Otium Aqua, but having Stevid commence the opening rounds may have been a bit of a stab in the back and offense as it could be seen as a using your friends as human shields without their consent, but hey, that's just me.) Pearl Harbor-style on Athiesism and then invade, supported by other Havenite Pact nations' forces. That would have really make things interesting and topsy-turvy...

If someone can fill me in on what has happened so far, I would be glad to join. Mac, whenever you see this, what do I owe you in terms of RP?

Well in a very small nutshell (forgive spelling errors):

The Merkar Republic were know to have Macabee military bases in their nation, the Stevidian Government chose to act swiftly and decalre war on ASthiesism. Within days the Royal Navy Third Fleet supported by the FAA and RAF attacked Kentagi point in a Pearl Harbour sytle assualt which effectivly knocked out the Merkar Navy and the majority of their air froce in very quick time. While this was happening, Dweller Class ships of the Navy destroyed the Merkar satellite network in orbit.

The 3rd Fleet created a slinter fleet codenamed Bigtoa and then invaded Bigtoa and quickly established a significant foothold on the island. The force advanced several miles in only a few hours and Firebase Bigtoa was erreted.

The Merkar Navy's submarine fleet was relativly untouched and began harrasing and causing major losses on Splinter Fleet Bigtoa. Through lack of action, losses continued to mount until the Navy took the fight to the submarines and began to push back the under water hunters. This allowed a new type of vessel, the EW ship Hanover Class of the Royal Navy, to be integrated into the fleet.

In this time Space Union sold Athiesism weapons and the RAF were sent into the destroy the convoy, but true to their alliegence to the Merkar Republic, the SUAF defended to convoy well enough for all but three transports to be sunk. The RAF escaped with only two surviving fighters.

IN the ground front, the Stevidian Army completed the construction of Firebase Bigtoa and a secondry supply depot firebase near the frontline. The armour corps and light infantry divisions of the invading armies washed over 20km of Bigtoa and captured several villages and a few towns on the way but the Merkar 4th Division stood between them and the Ribir River (the area was soon to be refered to as the Ribir Line).

The Armoured Corps of Stevid, with air, infantry and artillery support eventually destroyed most resistance of the 4th Division but were held up long enough for defences across the Ribir River to be reorganised and more units to be brought in. All that remains is for me to implement the next stage of my plan and continue heading for Berkar city.

Space Union now has a role but the moving of forces is slow and major conflicts with SU won't begin for a while but air engagements will soon become more requent... but i have a plan for this too.

That's basically it. Stevidian forces have steamrollered their way into Bigtoa and are frequently winning battles with soime mishaps left right and centre in places. While Space Union's presence will not be immediate, his eventual arrival will make it far more difficult for me to hold the skies. Not impossible but certainly not easy. Your arrival will put even more pressure on me and i will look to redeploy forces from Southern Safehaven and Stevid to keep Stevid in the fight during this campaign.

Sorry my post is taking a long time but school and the amount of stuff i have to cover in the post is holding me back.

Bare with me.....

Ok, so I figure I wouldn't mind joining the battle for the islands. The only concern for me is the time line.

That concerns me because, OOC'ly I was talking to Jagada about a diplomatic conference with him that would turn his status in the war completely around, as well as the fact it would take him out of direct aggressions upon HailandKill. Now, this conference is supposed to happen during my naval battle with him, yet after his 12th army gets crushed by The Maccabees. If the current battle is taking place during my current naval battle, then I could easily send naval, and ground assistance. Also, (if he is willing), Jagada could join with me, as the point of the diplomatic conference is to address the hatred between our two nations and rectify it. If this battle is not after then, the situation becomes trickier because I wont have an escort to get ground forces to the place.

So, if we can work a spot into this timeline, (if a date isnt set already), that would be great. If not, I will have to see what I can do.

January 2017. The war began December 21st 2016. This is probably taking place after your naval battle. If you need escort I have about a hundred submarines and 200 destroyers that aren't really doing anything productive, they can help you. Also, Space Union might give you a hand. By the way, Stevid hasn't really interdicted my south coast yet (the part were the Space Union convoys are coming through), so as long as you can spare 20 or so fighters to guard your ships from enemy air strike you're okay. But I think that this takes place after your sea battle, so no problem.

Oh yeah, and remember to write in Size 1 text like SEA so you need a microscope to read what you're saying.

Hmmm, the Havenic Pact grows even smaller.

Finally my post is just about finished. University essay deadlines for 2nd term are approaching so thats been handicapping me and I'm not sure I've actually posted on the IC thread this calendar year!! I’m considering entering to help Stevid out in the Islands, however RL time will be the biggest factor that governs that!

A brief roundup of the troops I have in theatre. I've attached rough locations to them as well to help out a bit.

IH Haven Command
IH 7th Army Group (Just inland of 21st Army Group on the Haven Front)
IH 21st Army Group (Left Flank of the Haven Front [Western End of the Front])
IH 9th Air Force (covering Army Group)
IH 12th Air Force (covering 21st Army Group)

IH Stevidian Command
IH 3rd Army Group (Spread Across Stevid where needed)
IH 7th Air Force
IH 14th Air Force
IH 17th (Tactical) Air Group


IH Havenic Naval Command
IH 2nd Fleet (In transit to region)
IH 4th Fleet (Resupplying In Stevidian Ports after Kanami expedition)
IH 9th Fleet + “Battleship Squadron” (The Otium Aqua[Northern Sector])
IH 12th Fleet (The Otium Aqua [Southern Sector])
IH 14th Fleet (Resupplying in Stevidian Ports after Kanami expedition)

Hmmm, the Havenic Pact grows even smaller.
We need to find replacemnets! Hmm...maybe the archipelago which styles itself as the "Counties of Tir", and Riptide Monzarc. And get back Malatose in the fray. If not Safehaven2 from D21.

Maybe. To be quite frank, Im a little miffed at SH2 not taking part in an RP. My main reason for entering was defence of him, but if he's not even gonna bother then the IH forces might as well sod off back to Stevid and ensure the safety of that nation who I'm a lot closer to diplomatically.

Thats my thinking.

Response coming this week?

January 2017. The war began December 21st 2016. This is probably taking place after your naval battle. If you need escort I have about a hundred submarines and 200 destroyers that aren't really doing anything productive, they can help you. Also, Space Union might give you a hand. By the way, Stevid hasn't really interdicted my south coast yet (the part were the Space Union convoys are coming through), so as long as you can spare 20 or so fighters to guard your ships from enemy air strike you're okay. But I think that this takes place after your sea battle, so no problem.

Oh yeah, and remember to write in Size 1 text like SEA so you need a microscope to read what you're saying.

Well, in that light I can easily get troops to you. For your sake they'll probably be my elite mechanized infantry :P. However, before I do that what would you say to some sort of diplomatic meeting, since our two nations have never had contact with each other IC'ly?

Stevid, would you mind me trying an para drop to take back some of the cities on the island that you current have? Like a disrupt and disorganize type of thing?

I do think the Havenites need someone else. A good powerful nation on their side to replace SH2. And maybe a minor or two players to further diversify their side (I mean our side has Mac, HK, Athiesism, Mekugi, and me as active while you guys only have yourselves so that's a good bit unfair).

Diplomatic meeting sounds good, HailandKill. The problem is that my country is a virtual democracy- it has no real head-of-state- there is an emergency leader, General Cherhaven, but he's busy directing the war effort. If there's going to be a meeting with Cherhaven then it will have to be in my country, near the battle line. If you want it to take place in a "safer" location I'll have to send a representative- no problem, really. My capital city is Athasism, which is pretty far from the battlefront (although still within easy reach of enemy aircraft), and you could send your diplomat or head of state there for the meeting. Otherwise, I'll send a diplomat to your country- I can't see where your capital is on the regional map, so you'll have to tell me.

Maybe we should start a separate thread for this meeting, maybe not. Where should the meeting take place and who should post first? What do you think?

As for the air drops, I can't speak for Stevid but remember that he has total air superiority over my country. Almost all of my airfields have been wiped out but my air force can still use improvised highway-airstrips or aircraft carriers. A map is attached below; most of the cities are near the coast, almost all of the interior is open and rural despite the very dense urbanization along Bigtoa's coastlines. So if you're going to make an airdrop you'll have to either land on a coastal city (not directly into the city of course, it's never a good idea to drop your troops on rooftops and radio towers, historically airdrops against cities were made on the outskirts of the city) or in the open ground in the interior. A map I posted earlier, in case you wanted to know more:

Here's the current situation, minus Stevidian forces:

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a333/Athiesism/Bigtoa1.jpg

A blank map of Bigtoa:

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a333/Athiesism/Bigtoalarge.jpg

edit: Sorry for the low resolution. Save it to your computer and zoom in to see the text.

Post is finally up.

You can try an air drop assault but Bigtoa is now heavily over run. Besides, i'm going to perform my own drop to more easily take and cross the Ribir River and then push forward some more. Maybe open another frontline from another beach to put increased pressure on the capital. And since IH is nearly ready it will even things up as far as allies are concerned.

Personally, for a side with only two active nations against six or seven active enemy nations- we're doing pretty well at holding our ground. But i'm getting a bit anxious now about how long this whole war will last. I certainly know i'm not going to be here for ever. I'm not going uni and hope to join the Royal Marines as soon as possible after school (fingers crossed i pass the fitness tests!), which means i will hardly ever log on, if not ever again. I'd hate to just leave this RP which is easily the best War RP NationStates has seen in a very long time.

Athiesism, what time is easiest for you to do the diplomatic RP thing? I'm thinking if we coordinate we can do it rapid fire and get me into the battle quicker.

I'm on GMT -5, what about you?

GMT -5, Eastern Central. I'm on spring break so almost any time is open. I'd prefer later, like 10-11 PM, but early in the morning is good to. I just hope that when Stevid leaves you won't have noone to fight.

Sad to see you go, Stevid. I really liked you both as an RPer and a person. You're probably the most polite person I've ever RPed with, and the RP is going to miss loosing its biggest naval power. But the Royal Marines are the most professional marine corps in the world, so I wish you well if you get in. Good luck and thanks for being around.

*holds back tears*

*looks for a good crying smilie*

*fails to find one*

:gundge:

Great. Just great. The RL bug takes away another.

Regardless, good luck Stevid! Now, to get Safehaven2 back, and other HP candidates.

Though I have never had direct contact with you Stevid, the caliber of work I have seen from you in this RP speaks for itself.

I know the feeling to just want to jump into a branch of service, and I can respect the fact your going to do it. I was going to enlist into the U.S. Marines instead of uni until I met my girlfriend. Now i'm going to a psuedo-military uni and then the marines, so maybe one day we'lll meet in the fields of RL. Until then best of luck!

Athiesism- My schedule and my free time really bounce around. One day I can be free on a certain time and the next I can be busy at that time. In that light, shall I just start it up and we'll see how the responses go from there?

Whoa! Slow down lads! i've got a good year and a half (or something like that) before i'm off. Besides, you'll know i'm leaving when i put up a farewell thread. I've seen many players do that, Credonia did for example and it got a lot of attention.

And HailandKill, i hope to be fighting by yourside in Helmand Province in a few years time ;)

I've still got plenty of time to ends Stevid's time in this war on a high.

I was just about to say that for you mate.

Although lets hope there isnt fighting STILL in Helmand when your combat ready. Iran here we come anyone?.

But I digress!

I guess we shouldn't jump to conclusions. Don't worry, though, I doubt that APP will go on for another year and a half without either dying off or coming to a conclusion. [/heresy]

Go ahead and post, Hailandkill. I have all the time in the world right now, so it's whatever you like. By the way, I could just post my ambassador arriving, describe him a bit, and let you handle the whole thing from there (or vice versa). That wouldn't be optimal but if we can't do this thing in real-time it would be a better option. Or we could set up a time on #draftroom- what's your screename there?

I was just about to say that for you mate.

Although lets hope there isnt fighting STILL in Helmand when your combat ready. Iran here we come anyone?.

But I digress!

I can always rely on you, eh James! :D

But yeah HailandKill, go knock yourself out with the posting. I don't wanna walk all over Athiesism. I wouldn't knowingly do that anyway without letting him win some major victories but at least he has some help now.

Been having a lot of fun over spring break and haven't paid much attention to NS. I decided that I needed to get something posted, so I put it up. Kind of half-finished, but I knew that I should get something out since people seem to be dropping out of this RP *cough*SPACEUNION*cough*. :p

Athiesiesm: The diplomatic thing will be up ASAP or tonight.

Mac: Does it ever snow in your country?

In the high mountains between Ruska and the Imperial Provences it snows a bit.

So, I noticed that it's been like a month after I said I would post.

So, I noticed that it's been like a month after I said I would post.

I'm suffering from the same dilemma...

The curse of writer's block, I presume?

I know how it's like to be in that position...

The curse of writer's block, I presume?

I know how it's like to be in that position...

Nope, the curse of laziness.

For me anyway.

Tbh, SafeHaven2 is not posting, and I'm not likely going to be available for summer. I want to get this war done with - I want to carry on. Ishme-Dagan has to happen. I'm thinking of just making up the war right here, right now, without actually roleplaying it.

It would be a shame to rap it all up in one go. But it would be helpful to both sides. We've lost and again territory, since it is becoming more and more likely that SafeHaven2 will not return then the Golden Throne will expand by several hundred miles. I guess Mac's dominance on the ground on the mainland of the region, Space Union has reiterated his dominance in the skies when it comes to war. We've all displayed the perfect characteristics of upholding alliances. As for me, the Royal Navy has fully secured the oil rich Otium Aqua and proved itself to be one of the strongest forces on the seas.

Anyway if you do decide to end the whole thing then it gives us plenty of free time to write on the NSWiki articles and then truly make this the best war RP that NS has seen (and hopefully will see) for a very long time.

Tbh, SafeHaven2 is not posting, and I'm not likely going to be available for summer. I want to get this war done with - I want to carry on. Ishme-Dagan has to happen. I'm thinking of just making up the war right here, right now, without actually roleplaying it.

What about those who still want to do it, like myself. I may admit to laziness at times, but nothings given me a greater enjoyment than writing for this thread, and I want to continue writing for this thread.

In terms of territory gained, I get those islands to the east of SH2 right?

As an interesting bit of info, my girlfriend might start NS I.I. RP.

Hmm well thats certainly tempting....it would allow for the Merkar Republic side thread to continue though I believe, so those who still want to can continue there?

If the wiki article is written up I think it should mention an SH2 collapse followed by Stevidian and IH troops withdrawing back towards the ports to evacuate back to Stevid taking any loyal fighting units of the SH2 Army with it...that way it would probably allow scope for me to use the occasionally SH2 battalion as part of the IH Army in the future :D or something similar can be worked out I'm sure!!

Safehaven2 collapsing? I don't think he'd like that...let's take a more reasonable approach and slowly try to pry him out of D-21, the successor to E-20...

What about those who still want to do it, like myself. I may admit to laziness at times, but nothings given me a greater enjoyment than writing for this thread, and I want to continue writing for this thread.

What use is that, if the protagonist don't?

In terms of territory gained, I get those islands to the east of SH2 right?


Unfortunately, I'm not sure. I'll have to TG him our version of the ending and see if he agrees.

If the wiki article is written up I think it should mention an SH2 collapse followed by Stevidian and IH troops withdrawing back towards the ports to evacuate back to Stevid taking any loyal fighting units of the SH2 Army with it...that way it would probably allow scope for me to use the occasionally SH2 battalion as part of the IH Army in the future :D or something similar can be worked out I'm sure!!

I don't know about a collapse, but most likely I would occupy several hundred miles of his northern territory, and then we sign a treaty which resembles the Russo-German Brest-Litovsk treaty of WWI.

I don't know about a collapse, but most likely I would occupy several hundred miles of his northern territory, and then we sign a treaty which resembles the Russo-German Brest-Litovsk treaty of WWI.

Well, if you wrote the ending would I get something as well? Like if not territory, then reparations, etc...?

And to everyone else: If this RP does sadly fall apart, I am kicking around a civil war for my own country. If you all are interested in getting another solid, well written war going then let me know and I can write something that I have been toying with for about a year. We can get some other quality nations and boom, we have something nice to do. (This is all providing that the end of the war is written, which I hope it isn't).

Well, I hope to God something is done; I've been waiting about six months for the Haven theatre to progress so that I can do something, and I'm still looking forward to this.

I say just annex SH2. If the dude isn't going to be courteous enough to post, then move past him.

Well, you can get some territory, I guess. Originally, you were going to get the islands occupied by what is now Athiesism, but he got them for his nation. We could always split up Guffingford and have a branch-off RP about our occupation of that, and any battles with Stevid that revolve around that. If the Stevid-Atheisism RP continues I will also continue to RP in that. I think that the major written portion is going to be solely for our front of the war with SafeHaven2.

Well, you can get some territory, I guess. Originally, you were going to get the islands occupied by what is now Athiesism, but he got them for his nation. We could always split up Guffingford and have a branch-off RP about our occupation of that, and any battles with Stevid that revolve around that. If the Stevid-Atheisism RP continues I will also continue to RP in that. I think that the major written portion is going to be solely for our front of the war with SafeHaven2.

I don't think Guff would like that Mac - I believe he wanted Guffingford to just be the same as it was pre-deletion, just isolationist and not really doing much.

I don't think Guff would like that Mac - I believe he wanted Guffingford to just be the same as it was pre-deletion, just isolationist and not really doing much.

Unfortunately for him, he was deleted, so doesn't have much bearing over the status of his territory. If his nation doesn't exist anymore, and never will exist, why keep his territory? Beyond that, his deletion was justified in IC by saying that his government was overthrown by an internal rebellion (makes sense; IINSA prodding after the Rise of the Order in Guffingford).

Well, you can get some territory, I guess. Originally, you were going to get the islands occupied by what is now Athiesism, but he got them for his nation. We could always split up Guffingford and have a branch-off RP about our occupation of that, and any battles with Stevid that revolve around that. If the Stevid-Atheisism RP continues I will also continue to RP in that. I think that the major written portion is going to be solely for our front of the war with SafeHaven2.

Aww man, I liked that theater too.

So, in terms of the battles on your homeland, I would be primarily posting in the Wiegari theater?

Safehaven2 collapsing? I don't think he'd like that...let's take a more reasonable approach and slowly try to pry him out of D-21, the successor to E-20...
Is anyone still up for my more civil and courteous approach in getting Safehaven2 back, even though it may be long and tedious?

So, in terms of the battles on your homeland, I would be primarily posting in the Wiegari theater?


Yea, I guess we can RP that out.

Is anyone still up for my more civil and courteous approach in getting Safehaven2 back, even though it may be long and tedious?

No. I don't think you fully understand what I said. I am bored - we have advanced 3 NS months in almost a year and a half. I am going to leave for bootcamp soon, and then two years of straight training to become special forces, I do not want to wait anymore.

No. I don't think you fully understand what I said. I am bored - we have advanced 3 NS months in almost a year and a half. I am going to leave for bootcamp soon, and then two years of straight training to become special forces, I do not want to wait anymore.

Ditto. If he can't even be bothered to post a single measly post saying 'I surrender/get annexed/let you guys have fun', then framkly he doesn't deserve to be in this RP. I want to start my uber-posting again, goddamit.

Agreed.

Hey Athiesism, can I put that communique I was going to make a seperate thread for in the main invasion thread?

No. I don't think you fully understand what I said. I am bored - we have advanced 3 NS months in almost a year and a half. I am going to leave for bootcamp soon, and then two years of straight training to become special forces, I do not want to wait anymore.
Ditto. If he can't even be bothered to post a single measly post saying 'I surrender/get annexed/let you guys have fun', then framkly he doesn't deserve to be in this RP. I want to start my uber-posting again, goddamit.
Agreed.
Bah. Suit yourselves. In the meantime, I go and try to pry him out...

Whatever you want. That might actually be a better idea because the thread isn't going to be very long.

Okay, so how does this sound:

September 2016:
-Empire finishes initial operations in Western Zarbia and call a halt ~20kms inside the country. No peace signed. Bombing campaigns continue.

October 2016:

-The Empire & allies launch offensive around the bulge of Ishme-Dagan with the aim of forming a pocket around the majority of the Havenic army in the area, amounting to over two million soldiers.
-Despite material superiority, including over 80,000 tanks used by the Empire & allies, the first two weeks of battle meet with increased casualties and the offensive slows down as Havenic troops and allies increase tenacity.

November 2016:
-Overwhelming Northern Alliance air power and mechanization finally take their toll and ~1.7m Havenic personnel are sorrounded, along with X Stevidian troops and X Hitmen personnel. Those who escape move south in order to prepare defenses of Safehaven proper.

December-February 2016-2017:
-Winter rest, as the Ejermacht regains losses experienced at Ishme-Dagan, including the loss of over 50,000 tanks.
-Imperial infantry and paratroopers occupy most of Guffingford, except areas to the south (all coastal) which are occupied by Stevid. (Ideally, we would start a thread that details Stevidian, Killian and Macabee occupation of Guffingford and operations in that theater between, say, January 2017 and who knows when.)

March-June 2017:
-Operation SPEARHEAD begins as over six million Imperial personnel + allies invade Safehaven and push the Havenic army south ~500kms (not much, relative to the actual size of Safehaven) until logistics has to be consolidated.
-Imperial navy completes blockade of Safehaven.

July 2017:
-Havenic army et allies launch a massive wide front counteroffensive which fails to defeat the sheer mass of the Imperial army (by this time the Havenic army is in shambles considering losses at Ishme-Dagan and thereafter, while Stevid and IH will probably not be able to use large amounts of men in that theater considering operations in Athiesism and Guffingford).

August - November 2017:
-Continued consolidation of gained territory and minor local offensives to prepare for large winter offensive.
-Manpower in Safehaven continues to grow to over ten million personnel.

December 2017 - February 2018:
-Imperial offensive a further 300kms south meeting increased partisan resistance in the rear lines.

March 2018:
-Landings in southern Safehaven.

April 2018:
-Armstice agreed upon between the Empire of the Golden Throne and Safehaven.

May 2018:
-Safehaven agrees to the Treaty of Aurillac (in honor of destroyed city), which cedes to the Empire all occupied territory in the north (~800kms deep).

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This is just a rough outline. I'll TG Safehaven later. The end of the war in this theater doesn't mean the end of the war in general, and we can continue to RP this as Safehaven is no longer really necessary.

I have no major objections really and you have said your casualties are extremly high for the amount of land you take.
I am interested in the Guffingford occupation thread but i can't see it developing into a war one. Perhaps a colonial documentry thread and the eventual steadying of relations between Stevid and The Macabees?

If we all agree to this then the regional map will need updating again and i must say i'm looking forward to that. Even if i don't expand that much at least i have some of Guffingford and the Otium Aqua (the sea was my main goal and it was achieved). In fact if Athiesism decided not to join in then i would have signed an armistice months ago.

Wow, you're staying in the war just to fight me? Well, this Athiesism Islands RP doesn't seem to be going anywhere, if it's a drag I think I should just capitulate/sue for peace and we can get on with life. It's no problem for me, I have a whole space segment of Merkar that's much more larger and powerful than Athiesism (the earthbound part).

Been working on a post, a lot of college work recently and I haven't had time. I could promise you I'll have the post up by the end of the week, but I said that two weeks ago, didn't I?

In regards to Guffingford, a small nation will rise to the south, called Tenesh Delorian - that will be on the map. I will edit the map when I have enough time to work it on photoshop.

HailandKill and myself have agreed to at least do a Peace Thread in which we come to terms -- from what he tells me Macabees has agreed to be present and makes for Jagada's withdrawl from the war.

As for what exactly happens. I'd like to do two things possibly. One, occupy New Empire since hes gone, and second occupy has much as Risban as a can. Two countries that are close to me, along with the Disputed Territory between Risban and I. This gives me the 'Expansive Empire' thing I was looking for -- and makes it at least LOOK like I won something in the war.

If you want RP, I'll use the peace treaty thread as a base for something similar to the Guffingford occupation -- a colonial documentary of sorts.

(Note: This is Jagada on my Antonos account.)

Well, I don't think any part of the Northern Alliance would really care about the occupation of New Empire. New Empire was allied to Safehaven2 and was supplying them with armaments. It would be ironic to see former allies go to war with each other, however. Furthermore, New Empire is too far away to really be much of a concern. In regards to Risban, well, you can occupy that when you'd like.

I'm interested. I can RP. Put me on Stevid and IH's side, please. We can discuss continents and stuff on IRC and such. :D

I know you, so you can join. Talk it out with Stevid and IH and how the war in Athiesism is going. I still need to post in that thread.

Yeah, is that theater still going to continue?

I'm back to posting regularly so I would like to get involved. It would be a fair 3v3 fight.

Yay, I'm in! Yeah, I'd be posting as much as I can, which, admittedly, is a fair amount, but not amazing. Stevid, IH, feel free to contact me via TG or MSN (it's on the side!) or whatever. I don't really care.

oooh, I hope its still ongoing as I was working on a post for it....I'll check with Stevid. Varsola I'm adding you on msn as I type! mine is phantom_ etc if your in doubt!

I haven't checked that thread for a while but i'm becoming concerned for Athiesism now since Space Union hasn't posted in weeks. Mac said he would but there was a time i thought i was gonna get trippled teamed by the Northern Alliance- now I feel that the Haven Pact will tripple team the Alliance in this theatre.

Still Varsola, welcome aboard.

Oh Mac, i've writen up my colonial documentry but i'm reluctant to post until i know what parts of East Guffingford i own- namely the cities. Would i own all three or just a few?

Stevid - SU is on IRC a lot, so it would be pretty easy to get him to post - assuming he's still part of the RP.
Independent Hitmen - Yup, you're accepted. Hope to talk to you and such.
Everybody Else - "Impact Is Imminent" (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=523371) (you mispelled "imminent, H&K ;) ), the Varsolan-Killian conflict. Feel free to TG/MSN/IRC me or H&K about it. I'll be posting there as soon as I finish something good - yay Operation: Maelstrom!

EDIT: Don't you love #themodcave? I got a mod to change the title so it's spelled right.

Yafor 2, I presume?

Is the war in Athiesism still going on?


Obviously, there's been a lull. Lots of coursework, and not enough time for anyone to get anything done. But with the semester ending I'll have more free time. Finals are coming up, but for me at least there doesn't seem to be a lot of work. Hailandkill and Stevid, sorry that I've lost enthusiasm for this RP, but if you really feel into it then I'll get my next post up. We may, of course, just wait for Mac to join also- he said that he wanted to RP in the Athiesism conflict, and there's no need to get ahead of Mac. Hailandkill, if you're really itching to get back into the RP this would be a good time for the diplomacy post.

edit: Sent a TG off to Varsola telling him about the situation.

edit2: Oh, and Stevid, if I don't say this enough already, don't worry about team balance. There's always room for heroic and unpredictable victories if things get too stacked either way. That's the way movies work, right? To be specific, I have about 10,000 Space Union UCAVs about to enter service.

okey dokey

Post up. It doesn't adress everything that it should, but you guys must be pretty pissed about my delay, so there it is. There's a long section about Alpha Bridge that I was working on a while ago. Although that's kind of OBE (Overcome By Events), I didn't want to scrap it, so it's included.

Nah its cool, we are all just posting when we are able I think...hence the two quick posts from me then nothing for a while! I'll try and get another up soon!

The problem with me posting in Atheisism's thread is that I don't want to read 60+ pages. But, I plan to post two in A Passion Play - one for the siege of Pir-Sar, and the other for the battle of Viusbi.

Well, let's summarize.

Athiesism's is under invasion. The island of Bigtoa is being targeted as a strategic point, and the Ribir Line is busted. However, the Athiesist/Merkari Republican Navy has regrouped from the Kentangi Point assault to the said location. Merkari Broadsword-Tizonas and Tizona-Alphas, of the Fourth Division, are duking it out with Iron Cheetah and Challenger main battle tanks. The Athiesists are pragmatic peoples, but stubborn and not willing to surrender. The Royal Navy has received support in the form of the Independent Hitmen Navy, and submarines are silently awaiting the Aequatian-supplied maritime military force of the Athiesist to release air support, but thanks to other priorities, they're now settling for Athiesist submarines. According to a staff assembly involving President/General Arba Cherhaven, you've been supplying Athiesism just so that he can survive.

That good enough?

No, not really. :P I need to know Stevid's dispositions so that I can accurate hit him back.

No, not really. :P I need to know Stevid's dispositions so that I can accurate hit him back.

What do you need to know exactly? Troop/shipping/aeroplane/armour numbers and positions?

What do you need to know exactly? Troop/shipping/aeroplane/armour numbers and positions?

I think I found the list of your ships on the A Passion Play thread. Where have you advanced in regards to depth, on Atheisism? To be honest, I won't be fighting much on that theater. I'll be trying to open Otium Aqua again, using the fact that you have large assets deployed around Atheisism to try to gain some sort of local superiority over you.

But, I have some assets on Atheisism that could strike back.

He's advanced about 25 miles inland on a 30-mile-wide island. The only island that he has invaded is Bigtoa (go on the GD map and look for the island with the city "Berkar"). I've posted a map a few times earlier in the thread, but it's mostly outdated. Basically, I'm crammed into 5 miles of very dense urban terrain on the west end of Bigtoa.

Please, just post now. You know enough, it doesn't have to be perfect.

I'll try to have a post up tomorrow. If not tomorrow, some of it will be done and I'll finish it over the next days. It will be up really, really soon, though - I promise.

I know i have a lot of assets in and around the Merkar Republic but there are thousands of vessels in the Otium Aqua. The Second Fleet returned from fighting Kanami months ago and i still have two home defence fleets in Rubet and Stevid. There are of course ships belonging to the 5th Fleet- but as you know Mac, they are well under strength after the stunt you pulled on Portsmouth Harbour.

The RFA are under strength with most of the heaviest assets supplying the the 3rd Fleet around the Republic.

Sorry I haven't been around folks(work, life, debt, you know the story), I'll try and get a post up tomorrow, poor atheism he probably needs some serious help doesn't he. T_T

OOC: I'm still alive. Just on an "extended break". I should be able to start getting more active soon so don't count me out yet. ;)

AS is me btw :P

My exams start tomorrow, so I'm gonna be scarce for a while! Hope you guys dont move too fast!

I wouldn't worry too much about that, past trends and all that :P

Well i read those last two posts but Mac's inparticular caught my eye. After reading it one word, just one, came to mind very, very quickly.....

Buggeration!

:D

But seriously this will probably be the most titanic naval battle seen in a very long time- probably ever seen on NS as far as i can recall.
I know you said your chances of success are high (i'm inclined to agree considering what you are throwing at me!:D) but the Royal navy is pretty large- i've got a lot of ships for you to contend with and also the SAngiunous SDNs and the Hanover EW cruisers (which i'm looking forward to using for the first time).

I'll do a post with most of the initial damage and then the counter-attack but the major stuff we should leave until IH returns. If it's me against you guys i've already lost- allies stick together come rain or shine.

You should ignore things like that - when I say them. I probably say them to add more $_bullshit to add more length to my posts. My writing has been getting rather poor lately, and I think it's my lack of reading. I've set a goal for a book every 2 days, starting tonight, but I don't know how realistic this is. :P

You think the rest of your writing is poor? No offense to anyone, but look at the last few posts... APP's quality of writing has gone down, it seems, including mine. Let's start reading some books, like Mac says. :p

Final exams are almost done, after May 5 I'm free for 3 weeks and I'll get a lot of posting done. Just printed off the latest posts and I'm heading to read them.

Personally Im just exhausted, work is killing me and I move in less than moth, blah...

You're moving again?

ya, this time for good (or for the foreseeable future) moving into the actual house now.

good luck with that ;)

To clear a couple of points up, because I think they were quite poorly written by myself;

The missiles were launched by warships across the landmass of Berkar at the Merkar fleet. The submarines have just moved into position and not engaged anything.

The Vanguard also uses a waterjet, no screws....I'm slightly confused as to if your sub is tracking another target or its just a small RP error, either way its no biggie just wanted to make sure :)

Oops, didn't notice your missile attack. I should pay attention and stop skimming. :p

Anyway, there's a ton of urban/irregular terrain between my fleet and your missiles (massive skyscrapers/arcologies), and contemporary sea-skimming missiles aren't made to be fired over land anyway. I mean, if you fired say, a Harpoon over 20 miles of land terrain it would smack into a tree or building, the sea-skimming profile is too low to be safe and AFAIK it isn't equipped for flying over land. When the US Navy strikes a land target, it uses SLAMs or Tomahawk. Realistically speaking none of those missiles would reach the target, but I'll let you have this one. 50 cruisers and 20 carriers of mine are dead.

Very observant about the screw noise thing. Didn't know that. But for all you know, the Pragem could be accidentally stalking another Merkari sub, huh?

Your being too leinient there I think, I didnt realise about the skyscrapers and things so those losses are unrealistic! My mistake...grrr!! So much for IHN skill and cunning!
On the submarine front, do you want a cat and mouse RP for a bit...I'm up for playing that if you want!

Great idea. In fact, I've been waiting for one of those for a long time. Good chance to develop characters.

Ok dokey. I have exams thursday and friday...hopefully I can get the post up before then! I wont presume too much, but do you have rough stats for the submarines, only simple stuff like propulsion, reactor plant and maybe a rough idea on how stealthy its meant to be?
Merci :)

Oh the stats for the Vanguard can be found on Prae's storefront as thats where they came from ;)

At the bottom of this page, the Shark SSGN:

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=8740037&postcount=18

All my naval equipment is from Aquetio, who, from what I've heard, is a pretty popular naval supplier, so you may fight this stuff again. Considering its top speed of 20/25 knots and the fact that it uses electronics similar to those on the Los Angeles class, it must be pretty old and slow, probably not a helluva match for your waterjet sub, but I have a lot of sonobuoys and mines floating around my fleet perimeter. Plus, the captain already has a bit of combat experience.

So, propulsion: nuclear reactor, one shaft at 37,500HP; stealthiness: Los Angeles type, detectable to your sensors at maybe 5-10km while at cruise speed, 1-3km good quiet (engines off and making as little noise as possible).

Rightyho, thanks for that! Would the sonar bouys be active or passive? Just for reference. :)

Hmm.... active.

Hmm.... active.

What?

Ooops... posted on my puppet account... WTF indeed.

Stevid's having problems posting, he had to log on from an internet cafe the other day. I've got exams tomorrow and day after so am busy until saturday really. Expect an update then!

Im still waiting in the Wiegar Front Mac.

Varsola disappeared after invading me. So, where the hell is he?

I have nothing to do in this RP ATM.

Official Allanean Government Announcement

We wish to purchase production rights for the Regisnar launcher vehicle and relevant missiles for one billion dollars.

Official Allanean Government Announcement

We wish to purchase production rights for the Regisnar launcher vehicle and relevant missiles for one billion dollars.
[OOC: Erm...I believe that this is in the incorrect thread, Allanea.]

**Cue Thunderbirds music!**

I'm back! with broadband and a speedy computer that pawns everybody elses!!! ha ha!

Okay i'll stop bragging and first thing's first:

Thank you everybody for being so understanding and patient with me over this whole issue- you guys are quality!

I would've been online in the previous week but my best mate died a year ago last week and things had to be done so getting back online had to take a back seat.

Anyway i'm back now and will be posting very soon, i've got A-Levels over the next 2-3 weeks so posts won't be coming thick and fast but at least they are on the way....assuming the Internet holds up!

Thanks again people!

My ship out date is July 5th.

**Cue Thunderbirds music!**
Thank you everybody for being so understanding and patient with me over this whole issue- you guys are quality!


Hey, no problem here. With summer classes, it feels like I'm going to be going to school year-round... obviously not feeling in a hurry about putting up a new post. Even though the largest naval battle in NS history is about to take place. :cool:


I would've been online in the previous week but my best mate died a year ago last week and things had to be done so getting back online had to take a back seat.


Sorry about your mate. Fair winds and following seas.


My ship out date is July 5th.

I thought that you where at University? That's in... less than two weeks.

I finished school. July 5th is in about six weeks.

crap...does that mean your gone for several months after that?

Well, I have 28 weeks of training guaranteed, and then X more (between 1 year and 3 years) depending on the exact job within special forces that I choose. Nevertheless, I should have enough time to buy a laptop between the end of basic training and the beginning of airborne training.

I will get a post for Stevid up by tomorrow, hopefully. I'm also going to get one up for the Siege of Pir-Sar and for the Battle of Viusbi (for both the general progress of the battle and for Hailandkill). I know there was something else, but I can't remember. Oh yes, the new thread for the occupation of Guffingford. But there was something else apart from that which I can't remember.

One minor complaint. My bombers never entered Otium Aqua, and never will. The range I gave was based on bad calculations (I guess). I don't know the range between Guffingford and Stevid, but the missiles themselves have a range of ~6,000kms. The missiles would fire within the envelope of ~4000kms. I guess I could pass it off as a strategic misconsideration which could have to be corrected in future strikes (firing from the true range envelope of the missile), to avoid anybody re-writing anything.

But, for future knowledge, what is the range between Guffingford and Stevid?

Oh that's my bad Mac, must've misread the post you made. The range between me and Guff was never agreed on but it is a lot since both side have heavy oil drilling complexes.

I'm guessing it is anything between 200-300 miles of sea between us at the widesest point defined between Rubet Island and the Guffingford mainland.

The occupation thread, is it alright if i start my own about the my patr of the Guffingford occupation? Seeing as you are attacking the sea it migt be difficult but i have the territorial army in Rubet and Stevid to perform the invaisons.

Way to go, Stevid! Getting us back to posting! :D

Anyway, one more problem with your post, I said in my last post that Bigtoa had already surrendered. If you're trying to say that we didn't RP the surrender out enough, that's good too, we can do some more detailed combat in Berkar since that was a major battle that we kind of skimmed over.

I'll have a post up within the week, probably. But Athiesism is pretty much a sideshow now.

The occupation thread, is it alright if i start my own about the my patr of the Guffingford occupation? Seeing as you are attacking the sea it migt be difficult but i have the territorial army in Rubet and Stevid to perform the invaisons.

I actually had to talk to you about this. The way I envisioned it is that the coastal cities to the south, wanting to avoid being sacked by the now rogue Guffingfordi armies in the south of the country ask for your navy to help them - you, in turn, occupy whatever area you want to occupy. The thread will be up today. I don't want to make this a prolonged split in the RP, so I would prefer fast posting. The problem is that I'm the one that probably won't be posting fast. :P

Regardless, it will be up today. I'll try to get responses to everything else, as well.

Anyway, one more problem with your post, I said in my last post that Bigtoa had already surrendered. If you're trying to say that we didn't RP the surrender out enough, that's good too, we can do some more detailed combat in Berkar since that was a major battle that we kind of skimmed over.

!? Bigtoa surrendered? wow i have been gone a while because i couldn't remember reading it.

Anyway if that is the case then am i to assume that Merkar forces in the Bigtoa capital Berkar surrendered as well? If that is the case then i'll have to rp the occupation but my plans for this theatre seem unchanged- rather that but they have been accelerated somewhat.

I must say i admire you Athiesism, your taking defeat extremly well, it's almost as if you want to lose. I actually feel bad about it.

I'll have a post up within the week, probably. But Athiesism is pretty much a sideshow now.

! It shouldn't be. You are taking valuable resources away from Stevid. Keep fighting!

I actually had to talk to you about this. The way I envisioned it is that the coastal cities to the south, wanting to avoid being sacked by the now rogue Guffingfordi armies in the south of the country ask for your navy to help them - you, in turn, occupy whatever area you want to occupy. The thread will be up today. I don't want to make this a prolonged split in the RP, so I would prefer fast posting. The problem is that I'm the one that probably won't be posting fast. :P

Regardless, it will be up today. I'll try to get responses to everything else, as well.

Should edit the map in paint accordingly once i've posted? I could send it ono to you afterwards once everything is finalised.

You see is why i like this particular war rp- everybody wins really no matter the result- Atheisism isn't having an easy ride but i'm not gonna force anything on him. Now that would be cruel! :)


Oh and one more thing Mac, do you have the address for your NS Draftroom? I've designed a cracking new destroyer but done it like you did your Nakil MBT (or Arca, i can't remember) but it is a heavy write-up, nearly 10-13 pages including diagrams and a finshed vessel in paint. I'm gonna post it on Internation Incidents sometime today and on my MoD forums but i'd like to document it on the Draftroom as well.

Cheers mate!

z4.invisionfree.com/NSDraftroom

Most recent post:

"The discipline is working. They're not screwing each other 24/7, they throw their uniforms in the wash, and they usually salute. They even talk about Merkar." Amanda gestured to the wall display of the islands. She didn't show it, but she knew that this was a terribly ironic comment. Jursai knew, too. Under the sea and cut off from the world, the enlisted and junior officers had no idea that Berkar had just fallen.

After the disaster of the first few days of fighting, Merkar held out longer than any reasonable person would have expected. But the meat-grinder urban fight for Berkar could not be sustained for long. The Merkari army gave up first. What was left of the 200,000 soldiers sent to defend Bigtoa was now in Stevidian prison camps. Jursai's superiors did not lie about the situation. They admitted that the rest of Merkar was pratically defenseless, and other than the small chance that the Macabbeans would finally come to Athiesism's aid, Merkar was already defeated. General Cherhaven would not surrender; like a modern Churchill, but in much more desperate circumstances, he would rather see thousands die in a futile struggle than admit defeat.

Taking defeat well? Well, I have to say, I would feel like a 13 year old girl if I really was that involved with my nation. In my opinion noone should ever get that angry over nationstates, it's just the internet, and for the fun part is the writing, not the OMGZ I NUKKED YUR FLEET YU LOOZ aspect. And you can have interesting writing either way, it's actually somewhat more fun when your back is to the wall and you're in a desperate situation.

It's also a lot more realistic to have your own side screw up as much as the enemy. Nationstates normally involves tacking huge numbers onto your weapon statistics, boasting about how skilled your troops are, how you have the best electronics, best strategy, etc. Your troops march into battle and fight like superheroes. It's like a movie, the good guys never commit friendly fire, make a tactical screwup, deliver crucial fuel supplies just a little too late the massive offensive, or do something else totally idiotic. In reality, war is a chaotic activity, and there are going to be more disasters than successes for both sides. Stevid said that he loves APP because everyone always wins. But Nationstates needs more losers. NS warfare is too "clean".

And you probably haven't noticed, but I've been careful to make it look like you've been getting major victories while you haven't really accomplished much. Sure, Bigtoa is gone, but it's just an island, the war at sea is what really matters in Athiesism. Anyone who controls the sealanes can choke out his opponent anyway. Probably the biggest loss I've had is my air force, but with my new UAV fleet that shouldn't be too big of a problem. All the "major defeats" you've seen me take are mostly tactical and are strategically irrelevant, as dramatic as they might seem. Once you kill my fleet, though... no more of,

"It shouldn't be. You are taking valuable resources away from Stevid. Keep fighting!"

Hey, that's what they told the Mujahideen... "Go! Go charge the Soviet machinegun nest with your World War I rifles! You're an important part of the war!" :rolleyes:

:p

Anyway, I still have about 4 hours till my next class so I've been sitting here writing this. But I want to say that with the loss in Mac in a few weeks, either someone else needs to take over his country or the RP will stagnate, or at least stumble. Or we need to finish this big naval battle reeeeeely fast before he leaves. I recommend Southeast Asia to look over your account while you're gone, Mac, to make sure it isn't deleted. He's very trustworthy and he's online every day. As for your military forces, it would be wierd to have them leave the war all of the sudden, but you've already laid out the "history" of the war so it's not as much of a problem. Perhaps Mekugi, etc. could place these forces under their "joint allied control".

We couldn't pause the theaters relevant to me? I am no doubt going to buy a laptop right after infantry school, and so will be ready to post then. However, that is a 15 week wait! Couldn't other side threads be started? Political threads, maybe, or even intrigue. Things that would keep you guys occupied until I was able to post again, in other words.

On that note, I do need someone to keep my nation alive.

The Guffingford thread is up - http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=528397

Here is all the information pertinent to me in the Army:

http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i291/Macabees/trainingreservation.jpg

Wow! Special forces. Nervous at all? Nervous now that I've asked if you're nervous? :D

It would be pretty cool to have a Green Beret on NS. Or is it Ranger? Not really sure what the paper means by "special forces". Best of luck to you, anyway. <s>

Assuming I get through the training I would be a green beret. And, I'm not nervous - yet. :D

In case Stevid missed it - http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=528397

Hmmm..impressive Mac, best of luck to you.

I'm finding motivation for writing hard to come by, so apologies for the delays I may have been causing. The ViZionary situation is causing me a headache too, its not exactly PP standard and is quite hard to follow to be able to get a decent post in....along with figuring out what kind of timeperiod its occurring in!! ARGH!

Anyway! With the death of Office 2007 on my laptop I've lost a whole raft of documents so I shall piece them together/rewrite and get something up over the weekend!!

If you think you're going to post over the weekend, I'll hold off until then. I haven't even started.

Also, a question for Mac, I might want to do a conversation between the Macabbean theater commander and the Merkari CIC (General Cherhaven). Just asking for permission to write up the strategy meeting by myself, it's not going to be of major importance and I think that the normal method of doing this over IM or starting a whole new thread is cumbersome. So who do you want to send, and can you give me a few personality details on him (or her?)?

Seriously, where the fuck is Yafor2? I can't do shit in any active theaters of the war until his invasion of me is resolved.

Gr.

I'm still alive folks! HI!

Seriously, where the fuck is Yafor2? I can't do shit in any active theaters of the war until his invasion of me is resolved.


I'm making a post for you, soon.

Also, a question for Mac, I might want to do a conversation between the Macabbean theater commander and the Merkari CIC (General Cherhaven). Just asking for permission to write up the strategy meeting by myself, it's not going to be of major importance and I think that the normal method of doing this over IM or starting a whole new thread is cumbersome. So who do you want to send, and can you give me a few personality details on him (or her?)?

Admiral Delatros (or however I spelt it; it's mentioned in a section of my most recent post on your thread) will be the one attending.

Seems as if everyone died. :P

not quite everyone

Go ahead and post, Mac. I'm right behind you, I'll have a short break after June 25. :p

Still alive!

Post Mac!! I Want To Rp!!! I Got The Rp Withdrawal Jitters!

If you're really bored you can join the Athiesism Theater, Hailandkill.

I've started on a post and am about halfway done, should get it up tomorrow. But I'm always late. Anyway, remember that Mac is going to leave on July 5th for the next several months, so you can't count on him if you really want to get back in the game. My advice is to work on the regional NSWiki articles, those are always fun for wasting time.

If you're really bored you can join the Athiesism Theater, Hailandkill.

I've started on a post and am about halfway done, should get it up tomorrow. But I'm always late. Anyway, remember that Mac is going to leave on July 5th for the next several months, so you can't count on him if you really want to get back in the game. My advice is to work on the regional NSWiki articles, those are always fun for wasting time.

Fixing up the Wiki articles can be fun. I shall think about it!

I can't do your theater because the invasion of me isn't resolved. I can't expect to fight well when my own nation is being invaded.

Still, you can send a token force, or get involved in the diplomacy or trade. If you like, I can start a submarine war against you, I only have 100 subs and they're pinned down by Stevidian ASW, but it only takes a few to create havoc.

Still, you can send a token force, or get involved in the diplomacy or trade. If you like, I can start a submarine war against you, I only have 100 subs and they're pinned down by Stevidian ASW, but it only takes a few to create havoc.

Well, we could go with diplomacy. Why would you start a submarine war against me? I'm on your side through mutual allies.

For real? Because a huge Stevid/IH force is breathing down my neck, any help is welcome. :D

I can definitely deploy a fleet. Lets get some diplomacy thread going between us, and we can IC'ly talk about Killian involvement.

Alright. I'm thinking along the lines of your ambassador arriving in Merkar and talking it over with one of my representatives. The only question is who should post first. You or me?

Alternatively, we can kind of blow over the diplomacy as you're already at war with Stevid. That's kind of what Mekugi did, he just sent a fleet and that's it.

I followed Mac :P

Damned Imperials!!! Surrender already!!! The day is lost and so thou should bow the Imperial might of the Holy Empire of Stevid and her esteemed allies!!!!!

....well....it's worth a try.....

Post on the way Athiesism.

Surrender is no longer an option! Mac will be gone for six months and we have to find a way to waste NSTime until then! Fight on! :gundge:

Take your time on the reply. We have plenty of time.

I'll be gone for 15 weeks without a computer. I'm buying a laptop straight out of basic training. Technically, I have around two years of training total - but after basic I'll be allowed a laptop.

Alright. I'm thinking along the lines of your ambassador arriving in Merkar and talking it over with one of my representatives. The only question is who should post first. You or me?

Alternatively, we can kind of blow over the diplomacy as you're already at war with Stevid. That's kind of what Mekugi did, he just sent a fleet and that's it.

I will start the talks in a different thread. It will look good for the Killian government if their defending allies.

Athiesism, would special operations units be handy in your theater? I can't send full scale military units, but Spec Ops would be perfect.

Sorry I haven't gotten that thread up yet man. Will try to do ASAP.

As the invader I would say yes but more so further on beyond the frontline to prevent more advancements. Logistics could be distrupted but that's why I errected a Logistical firebase to help fight against special forces operations.

Atheisism will probably be able to direct you more on the topic but I can't see anything wrong with them being used in this particular theatre.

Tell you what Mekugi that's one hell of a barrage.
I'll try an get a post up within a week because i've got two more exams to go, but once it's up you should go over it in case casualties are a bit iffy.

Should be okay once it is up though.

Athiesism, would special operations units be handy in your theater? I can't send full scale military units, but Spec Ops would be perfect.

Sorry I haven't gotten that thread up yet man. Will try to do ASAP.

Hey, no rush. It's summer.

The problem is that no land fighting is going on right now. Stevid may invade another one of my islands soon, and there will be plenty of obvious uses of SF. Right now, he occupies one of my bigger islands, Bigtoa. You could send some guys there Green Berets-style to stir up a resistance movement. If you need info on my country's culture when you organize the resistance, feel free to ask.

So, if you could find a use for them, they would be very handy.

Take your time, to be honest I want to apologize for the post because honestly I wrote it too late at night. Im not on much these days APP, and my storefront are about it. After APP Im not even sure if I'll really stay on NS much at all.

Hey, no rush. It's summer.

The problem is that no land fighting is going on right now. Stevid may invade another one of my islands soon, and there will be plenty of obvious uses of SF. Right now, he occupies one of my bigger islands, Bigtoa. You could send some guys there Green Berets-style to stir up a resistance movement. If you need info on my country's culture when you organize the resistance, feel free to ask.

So, if you could find a use for them, they would be very handy.

Stirring up a resistance movement sounds pretty good to me. I can get my men in the occupied island in a post. I will try to get that post up by wednesday.

Also, is there any POW camps I could liberate? Like any camps with important people in them?

Also, do you have AIM or MSN? I am sure that asking about your peoples that I would start a liberation movement with would be alot easier over chatting rather than TG.

Post is up Mekugi. Anything problematic with it just give me shout and i'll deal with.

Also you should have a TG from me.

Hello all....didnt think I'd forgotten about you did you?

Should be getting a post up pretty soon....it'll be slightly devoid of numbers as the Second Great Laptop Death of 2007 has pretty much destroyed my reserve database after the first was wiped during the First Great Laptop Death of 2007. What fun technology is.

So yes! Post soon hopefully!

*could read posts by Stevid all day long*

The only thing I can think of that might be counter intuitive is that the missiles are primarily inertially guided in the terminal phase but your absolutely right that they are not great at maneuvering. Mostly they are ramjet assisted 2meter shells in thier final stage (for most intents and purposes) and derive their greatest benefits, and issues from that. No complaints though.

Also I was kinda hoping to get your feedback on how many missiles made it through the Counter missile barrage, as I didnt want to call your losses ont hose missiles.

Als;o stevid you have a go to commence operation: 'my-stupid-people-forgot-the-scoot-part of-shoot-and-scoot' if ya know what I mean.

Well, the nuking of Mekugi's fleet brings enticing options. Obviously, a lot of politicians are going to think that the war is going too far. Nukes have gone off at Feathermore Trench, Portsmouth and now close to Dienstad. In an effort to stave off nuclear war Fedor I and loyal nobility are going to propose a cease-fire in Otium Aqua and they're going to call for the beginning of peace talks, hopefully leading to an armistice and peace-treaty.

These are going to be Imperial 'demands':

- Withdrawal of all Stevidian personnel from Atheism.
- A political division of Guffingford [Stevid occupies a large strip of coastline and the rest is Imperial - it's infested with Imperial personnel]
- Stevid and Independent Hitmen must end support for Safehaven2 [which technically has not been defeated yet - this peace treaty would be before Otium Aqua 2; the cease-fire would be February 2017 and the peace-treaty would be signed probably around March or April of that same yer].


Those are all the ones I can really think of.

Actually mac it would be IN Deinstad, not my fleet, which makes it a bit more poignant. Nukes are where I go 'hey wait a second, maybe its time to reconsider our place here'

Really I have nothing to add to our 'demands' in so far as I'm concerned we officially 'won' (seeing as the main threat of SH2 is now underheel, mostly) and made a decent showing of ourselves, but I do agree at this point I think IC my people are a little weary of it.

plus theres the OOC concerns of time, and Jon (macabees) leaving, so Id strongly recommend such an action otherwise I may have to take control of Jon's fleet and I really don't have a whole lot of time available to do that (as I also leave on the 7th-14th and then again the 19-23rd).

Actually mac it would be IN Deinstad, not my fleet, which makes it a bit more poignant. Nukes are where I go 'hey wait a second, maybe its time to reconsider our place here'

So, he's actually nuking me? If that's the case Fedala would call for the immediate cessation of hostilities and the immediate withdrawal of Stevidian personnel from Atheism, or we would most likely begin MAD.

so far as I'm concerned we officially 'won' (seeing as the main threat of SH2 is now underheel, mostly) and made a decent showing of ourselves

Yea, in the end Fedor I is still on the throne.

well if I read the TG properly then yes, my Land based launchers in Deinstad, which since my launchers are still classified are probably int he middle of nowhere closer to the desert of the Zarbian border.

So even though it should be a big blast it should be decently far enough away from any population center to only get the fall out.

I was going to make some IC backchannel feelers for some form of peace, however on a purely OOC note you should probably add that my troops have to leave Atheism too or else I might be tempted to stay ;)

As for the others I can probably agree to them, my OOC support to SH2 has evaporated and Im just looking for an oppurtunity to get out of their to allow myself and Stevid to keep as many land forces intact as possible. (There is a distinct lack of them in my nation at the moment!)

These are going to be Imperial 'demands':

- Withdrawal of all Stevidian personnel from Atheism.
- A political division of Guffingford [Stevid occupies a large strip of coastline and the rest is Imperial - it's infested with Imperial personnel]
- Stevid and Independent Hitmen must end support for Safehaven2 [which technically has not been defeated yet - this peace treaty would be before Otium Aqua 2; the cease-fire would be February 2017 and the peace-treaty would be signed probably around March or April of that same yer].


Those are all the ones I can really think of.

The withdrawl of troops from Atheisism would be beneficial to me and IH really. Frees up militray units and less money down the pan and would count as a partially successful operation. I never intended to annexe the Merkar Republic on Earth into the Empire unless the war would continue on and Safehaven would require "fallback2 territory. Since a cease-fire looks probable the only thing occupying Atheisism enables me to do is lose the next Stevidian election. Imperilist or not, illegal invasion don't go down well in Stevid.

As for Guffingford i'm 100% onboard so long as I have the following cities: Del Monte Pellado, Cerfontaine and Port Huyzen- maybe a bit of territory beyond that (I've drawn up a mapt but haven't hosted it yet) but it leaves the Golden Throne with, give or take on this estimate, 80% of Guffingford (That's a lot of diamond mines for you and a lot of oil and gas for me!)

As for the Safehaven agreement- true I'm defending him but he wasn't my ally. I joined the war to aid close international friend Zarbia from Guffingford which dragged me into hostilities. I'm keep up polictic support and maybe special forces groups. But nothing on a mass miltary scale...so yeah, i agree to that.

Both me and IH have had to fight three wars almost at the same time so, although I don't speak for him, I find the terms very reasonable.

Assuming this Nuclear missile ends the war (wow...what a part of history i'm playing... feels good) i'll knock it down from 2MG but up from 35KT to just 1MT. It shows we're serious and willing to use such force. It fuels the hatred between me and Mac in case we fight again if and when the NATO conflict spills over and it makes good RPing.

I'm assuming also there are no major population centres nearby. Many a few villages and a tiny town if anything at all so economic damage should...no...will be light if not negilible. This nuclear is basically an over reaction by my politicians, military advisors and a way of expressing our power to another super power.

The long and short of it is that it is a media event to scare the shit out of Mac's population and political dudes- not to prevoke full scale nuclear war. Shouldn't affect you much at all (military and economically anyway).

Yea, in the end Fedor I is still on the throne.

Sadly I must concur. You come out with more territory and are probably the strongest miltary force in the region (contested in the sea of course- I gained the whole Otium Aqua which IH is more than happy to use for the rest of his days ;) ). But yeah, couple hundred miles of Guff, a shit load of black gold and a giant ego after the Merkar Campaign...not enough to kick Fedor's bum off the throne.... you win i guess, once that single warhead goes boom.

Then its agreed, this next post Stevid makes will pretty much summize and end the war in a glowing blaze of glory for me, and allow us to circumvent OOC issues before they become IC problems...

Nuke away or great blighter of strategically null launchers!

What's done is done. honestly I wasn't expecting to kill that many people. Anything below 10 thousand...but 50, that shook a bit.

Any I should have a reply post by tonight or tomorrow afternoon.

Nuke away or great blighter of strategically null launchers!

LOL, you'd better update that Strategic Readiness to 'I', just in case. heh heh (I hope it won't go that way. I don't wanna die- i beg of thee...)

I took the basic size of my town in Spain - ~3,000 - and made up an arbitrary number of towns which this attack would hit. Given my population I assumed the villages would be pretty dense in regards to their numbers in the area. Dienstad is a very manufacture heavy region and so is more heavily populated than others.

I honestly can't believe it's coming to an end. It seemed invincible and seemed to be only to capable of being mortally wounded by Macabees' will, and even at then, I didn't expect the end. Well, all role-plays HAVE to come to an end some day...it was a pleasure reading this, and very indirectly contributing to it.

I honestly can't believe it's coming to an end. It seemed invincible and seemed to be only to capable of being mortally wounded by Macabees' will, and even at then, I didn't expect the end. Well, all role-plays HAVE to come to an end some day...it was a pleasure reading this, and very indirectly contributing to it.


Actually yeah SEA, thanks yourself, without your indirect approach the Atheisism theatre might have ended differently.

Wow, a whole lot happened when I was away.

Really well written posts from everyone, I think. The war ended well and like it was supposed to. There's little incentive for regional war when you've already reached the nuclear level, it's hard to ask "what next?" when everyone's populations have been exhausted by two years of war and a nuclear attack. Best wishes, everyone, and good luck to Mac if he can still read this.

Both Stevid and IH are withdrawing from my territory, correct? Just to be sure. If IH wants to continue his invasion, I'm up for that, I just have very little to resist him with.

Wow, a whole lot happened when I was away.

Really well written posts from everyone, I think. The war ended well and like it was supposed to. There's little incentive for regional war when you've already reached the nuclear level, it's hard to ask "what next?" when everyone's populations have been exhausted by two years of war and a nuclear attack. Best wishes, everyone, and good luck to Mac if he can still read this.

Both Stevid and IH are withdrawing from my territory, correct? Just to be sure. If IH wants to continue his invasion, I'm up for that, I just have very little to resist him with.

Dunno about him but I have to pull out to avoid being wiped out by Mac's nuclear arsenal.

Nah, not much point to continue....I posted that up just before all the peace talk came about, so its really to be ignored. That lot can just get on their hovercraft and bum off home I think.

Should I do an IC post acknowledging the peace or is it implied? Hmmm

What is this?

What is this?

Index thread for a rather kick ass roleplay on hold because the main player joined the army.

One of the most amazing RP's in NS history. And I don't say that kind of thing lightly.

Is it like war, or, what? Because I wouldn't mind getting into it.

More than a bit late for that.

Ended along time ago now. Mac was gonna join the army (which is why he is away now) so we decided to wrap it up rather quickly. I launched a nuclear missile to wipe out some biligerant missile launchers and the blast happened to wipe out several towns and villiages too.

Mac agree to peace with the ultimatum of mutually assured destruction. I didn't wanna die to the Haven Pact signed the cease fire.

In short Mac won the war but I (Stevid) gained a lot of sea territory and land. The most profitable defeat I have ever had! But the war isn't realy on hold, it's over with a resounding victory to The Maccabees.

Resounding victory...pah! Minor accomplishment in my books.

Hehehe, dunno why I'm trying to cause problems so long after hehehe!

Hope this post puts the RP into the archive so its not awoken by any other silly posts, not too much offence meant Vanek