NationStates Jolt Archive

Threads
A Passion Play (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=439156)
Final Curtain Call (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=463189)
The World Will Hold Its Breath (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=470036)
The Queen is dead! Long live the Queen! (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11080019#post11080019)
Violence and Bloodshed (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=500208)
Battle for Athiesism Island (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=515403)
With Order, Came Death (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=528397)

Tech Threads
The Macabees (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=409787) - You can find most of it in Kriegzimmer. Some of it is not sold, however.
Hailandkill (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=483415) - A lot of his stuff is from Kriegzimmer, must a lot of the rest is from his own storefront.
Stevid (http://s15.invisionfree.com/Stevid_MoD/index.php) - I think that's most of his stuff.
Space Union (http://z3.invisionfree.com/SU_Defense_Industry) - Most of his stuff.
Independent Hitmen (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11071804#post11071804) - IH reference.
Geneticon (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=481718) - Ref thread.
Skibereen (http://z7.invisionfree.com/AoH_Official_Board/index.php?showtopic=116&st=0) - Skib's ref thread.

Interested in joining the RP?
Those in the region of Greater Dienstad can join because this war directly applied to them. Nevertheless, I'd appreciate it if you ran it through me first. Those from outside the region can join as well. This is an open roleplay. However, we try to keep a general quality to the thread[s], and consequently we do require somethings before you join. First, we require you to look through the sides, which you can read below, and decide which one you want to join. You can ask on this thread what are the general politics, and such. Second, you must show three examples of previous roleplay. Before you give us these examples please make sure they are up to par and well written! Third, you must show interest. We've had too many people come and go, and pop in these stories and then never complete them - this tends to leave holes in the story. Fourth, you must be ready to cooperate; meaning, no complaining and no huge out of character arguments. In the old OOC thread of the 500+ posts only four or five were actual arguments. Now that's an OOC thread.

Furthermore, for a rough update on the war check out the timeline (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11988470&postcount=412).

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The Sides
Northern Alliance Pact
The Macabees [Second Empire of the Golden Throne]
Mekugi
Spizania
Hailandkill
Space Union
Oceanaria [Geneticon]
Skibereen
Catalasia
Juumanistra

Haven Pact
SafeHaven2
Weigar
Sarcanza
New Empire
Stevid
Independent Hitmen
Jagada
Zarbia
Questers
Skinny87

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Maps
Greater Dienstad (http://pdfdirectory.modernwarstudies.net/images/map.png)
The Empire/Mainland (http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/5821/macabeemap7hd.gif)

Weigar (http://img512.imageshack.us/img512/6976/weigar6yf.gif)
Viusbi Area (http://img512.imageshack.us/img512/430/battleofviusbi0pd.png)
Ishme-Dagan (http://pdfdirectory.modernwarstudies.net/images/Ishme-Dagan.png)

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Overview Posts:
Mosnoi Bor (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11678018&postcount=294)
Aurillac (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11962831&postcount=305)

Excellent.

And your right Mac, everything is on that forum- well most of it. Still need to add some stuff. But everything to be used in the war from now on is on there.

tag

OOC: Here's where you can find all my military equipment. Those that I don't produce myself and buy from other storefronts are linked in the place so it will be easier for you.

http://z3.invisionfree.com/SU_Defense_Industry

Mac, call us the Southern Alliance. Might as well make it geographical.

Transfered from the previous OOC thread:
[OOC: H&K, since you said that it is an act of war to H&K if you are aiding the enemy state in any form (i.e. arms contracts), would your government view the Free Land of Clan Smoke Jaguar as an enemy because they sold equipment to both Independent Hitmen and Stevid? (Specifially they sold Iron Cheetah tanks to both Stevid and Independent Hitmen, Timberwolf tanks, artillery units, Toryu-class Flight IIB battleships and anti-aircraft missiles to IH individually, AH-93A Firemoth helicopters to Stevid individually).]

In response to the national histories part, I've never really done a fully documented one for my nation.

In NS I've always had tension with Guff from when I joined the NWO back in early 04 I think. Thats what brought me into this, general dislike of Guffingfordi ways, and I kinda stuck around for the RP.... and my new found alliance with Stevid :)

EDIT: Hopefully my military reference thread will be up soon! Link will come when its done!

With nations in both Greater Dienstad and Haven, I may get involved [using those of course; Czardas is busy with other things]. So consider this a tag. I promise I won't "i fire 393830000 n00ks at j00 all and i win give me your p/w or i call hax plzkthx" or anything like that, despite being the comparative n00b I am. :p

Mac, call us the Southern Alliance. Might as well make it geographical.

I thought that was too generic, so I went for something more generic and called you the Haven Pact.

saving IH the trouble here:

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11071804#post11071804

lol thanx Stevid.

Its horribly out of date information at the moment, but it serves as a guide whilst I gradually up date it plus find the other word documents on my home PC to get up.

P.S Stevid, can u get on MSN?

Hey guys; I'd like to participate in PP, need a good RP that I can post on (Shock+Awe kinda died) and looking for some other RPers with brains around this place. Therefore, I propose my entry into passion play.

RP Example One (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=478670)
RP Example Two (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=461880)
RP Example Three (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=466112)

I also have a tech thread I'll post if I'm accepted. I'd plan to join the Northern Alliance Pact on the grounds of the more sinister wings of Questaria's Monarchy wanting to support a family member (Fedor is a Cousin of a Prince) I'd be able to post at least once every weekend; thats all I can promise, though maybe i'll manage posts inbetween too. Which means my participation will be limited to some RN taskgroups.

Thanks~ Quest/Hogs/Matt

*wonders how his defence department are going to explain owning 2.5% of the newest enemies biggest defence suppliers*

Hey guys; I'd like to participate in PP, need a good RP that I can post on (Shock+Awe kinda died) and looking for some other RPers with brains around this place. Therefore, I propose my entry into passion play.

RP Example One (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=478670)
RP Example Two (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=461880)
RP Example Three (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=466112)

I also have a tech thread I'll post if I'm accepted. I'd plan to join the Northern Alliance Pact on the grounds of the more sinister wings of Questaria's Monarchy wanting to support a family member (Fedor is a Cousin of a Prince) I'd be able to post at least once every weekend; thats all I can promise, though maybe i'll manage posts inbetween too. Which means my participation will be limited to some RN taskgroups.

Thanks~ Quest/Hogs/Matt

Oh, crap for the Haven Pact...... does this mean the HMS Hood and more Prince of Wales Class ships?

It's fine by me. I think it balances out New Empire fairly well.

Well.. i've decided to reconsider, lets say Fedor wasn't in our monarchies good books.. I'll be with Haven pact now :P

Sounds good.

Damn, now I have allies on both sides. This is going to be interesting. :p

[double tag!]

RP Example Uno (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=477095)
RP Example Due (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=473356)
RP Example Tres (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=472084)

I'll figure out what side to pick soon.

Czardas, do what is right and join the Northern Alliance Pact. :p

SH2, do you have MSN? I wanna talk to you. Thanks. :)

Czardas, do what is right and join the Northern Alliance Pact. :p
I may well do so, Matt's unbalancing the scales a bit by joining the other side... but you'll have to explain to me what the difference is, 'cause I don't want to read 3 or 4 threads. I know the basics (The dying emperor named his grandson as successor to the throne, and his son got jealous and recruited Weigar, Sarcanza, Safehaven, and a bunch of other people to rebel against the Empire, whereupon lots of other nations jumped in to support Fedor), but not much else.

Send your TG to Catalasia (my Haven state). Tenuria is rebuilding right now so it won't get involved for now.

Wow, lots of new people.

Space Union, its vhayek18@hotmail.com

and Czardas, thats kind of what happened. He got Weiger to rebel which started the civil war, Sarcanza just rebelled on its own cause it saw the oppurtunity to do so and Haven invaded because some greedy politicions also saw an oppurtunity, although the military wasn't to fond of the decision being fairly pro-Macabees. Everyone else just kind of came in at random points afterwards.

And Czardas, you RP well enough and you are known well enough to know that we already know you RP well. No need for the examples. :) And yea, like the other said - Jonach named Fedor his successor. His son, Fedor's father, Heinrich decides to flee to Weigar hoping to build an army out of vintage tanks and weapons and launches a risky offensive into Fedala the following year - he successfully suprises and basically destroys three SS divisions, but then his offensive falters at the Nestor in July 2016. Nevertheless, in June 2016 Sarcanza rebels, seeing an opportunity, and SafeHaven2 invades seeing an opportunity. Originally I would suspect that Haven was in it for land, but then they saw the opportunity to place a dynasty of their own on the golde throne [thus war of Golden Succession]. Guffingford enters on my side in late June 2016, only to be destroyed by internal pressures due to war and poverty, but that leaves Stevid and Independent Hitmen, who were counterweights to Guffingford's attempts to assert his power in the area without enemies, and so they turn their attention to me. Mekugi joined early on, although not as early as Hailandkill - Hailandkill was just a huge ally at the time. Mekugi joined due to IADF [this was before he resigned - he resigned sometime in July 2016]. Space Union joined due to IADF allegiances in early August 2016. Spizania joined due to regional pressures and IADF allegiances around the same time, as did Skibereen, although if only for regional pressures.

Hey guys - finished my first post - hope you like - I thought it would be better if I put Operation Longbow (Force F, E, and H, respectively) ORBAT on here.

This is the size of each Force: F, E, adn H, exactly the same. F is the rearguard and is led by HMS Renown, E is the middle and is led by HMS Repulse (A Renown) and H is led by the mighty Hood - the new refit model the RN has just launched.

2 Mid Sized Superheavies: Glorious Class
4 Heavy Battleships: Centurion / Invincible
2 Ocean class Fleet Carriers
2 Audacious class Aircraft Carriers
2 Ardent class Battlecarriers
8 Medium Battleships: Victorious / Bowman / Daring / Malaya class
3 Light Battleships: Hercules class / Freedom Class
10 Broadsword Class Battlecruisers
10 Manchester class 16in Cruisers
20 Pocklington class 8in Cruisers
100 Captain Devlin class Anti Air Destroyers
100 East Riding Ccass General Purpose Destroyers
20 Poacher class Minehunters
100 Derwent class ASW Frigates
20 Stoat class Diesel Electric Submarines
20 Resolution class Nuclear Fleet Submarines
10 Saint David Class Hospital Ship
20 Deliverance class RORO and Supply
20 Resolution class RORO and Supply
5 Duke Jacob class Submarine Tender

Tag so I can find this.

...and Matt... this is going to make things a bit more difficult region wise.

*starts listing in his head things hes not sending to Questers as of now*

Perhaps you guys should hold a conference in a neutral nation of Antartichon [I know I just butchered your region's name; spare me] - which would amount to... Whyatica or Freethinkers [DPUO and Juum are selling me tanks; they are not so neutral]. Something along the lines of the Berlin conference - pledging to wage war abroad, but ensuring peace at home.

OOC: How about good ol' SEA? It's about time I got up to setting a peace conference, and it would be reasonable ICly as we are the peacemongering type.

And Czardas, you RP well enough and you are known well enough to know that we already know you RP well. No need for the examples. :)
Well, thanks. :) Just making sure.

Put Catalasia in on the Northern Alliance Pact then, and if that conference does occur we'll send someone over pledging to do our utmost to avoid attacking Questarian stuff unless absolutely necessary. (For what Catalasia is, it's a bunch of approximately 13 large and 300+ smaller semi-affiliated islands south of Skinny87, technically part of Czardas but with its own independent government, military, and everything. I'll explain more with that nation.

OOC: How about good ol' SEA? It's about time I got up to setting a peace conference, and it would be reasonable ICly as we are the peacemongering type.

Addressed not just to you, but do we need a peace conference? The war seems to deep now for a peace conference? Maybe in like 6 RL months when the war ends we can do a peace conference..but now? I dunno...

To just answer your question from the OOC thread. Although I have never had contact with CSJ, when I ICly find out who has been supplying IH and Stevidian armaments I will not deal ICly with him again. Invasion is harsh in that case because I don't know him, but there will be embargos and such.

Ta-daa, I live!

Reference threads and such will be up momentarily.

A peace conference at this point is just as likely as a peace conference in August of 1941. Unlikely, that is. We've only been in the war for four [a bit less] months! This war needs to last longer than that! No peace conference for you!

The funny thing is, while most RL wars tend to last several years, NS wars are usually just a few IC weeks or months. The CAD invasion of Czardas, for instance, lasted about 1 1/2 months before a peace conference was held. :p

[OOC: In speaking of which Czardas (HOW MANY PUPPETS DO YOU HAVE TO HAVE??!!!), you have a telegram awaiting for your main nation in it's inbox.]

You can put my Oceanaria reference link on the main post. In fact, I recommend it.

BTW... as my signature says, I'll be gone for the summer. I will still have very limited internet access, and besides a Jedi RP that I will still be playing, this RP is the only I will be particpating in. Please be patient though, I will be working and it will be difficult if not always impossible to post at some times. It may take me two weeks to respond to a post... so bear with me.

Thanks...

[OOC: In speaking of which Czardas (HOW MANY PUPPETS DO YOU HAVE TO HAVE??!!!), you have a telegram awaiting for your main nation in it's inbox.]
[ooc:] Ok, ok already! Check my comment on the Atlantian Oceania RMB.

You can put my Oceanaria reference link on the main post. In fact, I recommend it.


Which link?

right here... http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=481718

will you still be able to post mine and IH's fleets enaging yours?

If not I could always take over temporarily for this battle, seeing as how one of my fleets is headed down there as well. <_<

I will make a post later tonight... my final one for probably a week or so... if something happens and I can't post tonight, Mac can post for me. You know my style and characters...

But I will try my best to get that post up tonight.

I will get there and open fire as well as send up some planes, and I'm sure you'll return fire. Shall we call it the Second Battle of Otium Aqua?

it was only an escort fleet wasn't it?

But would you control both fleets? (if Gen can't do it himself)

it was only an escort fleet wasn't it?

But would you control both fleets? (if Gen can't do it himself)

Only if I can't do it.

We're going to probably have an air engagement too... over Otium Aqua...

I will make a post later tonight... my final one for probably a week or so... if something happens and I can't post tonight, Mac can post for me. You know my style and characters...

But I will try my best to get that post up tonight.

I will get there and open fire as well as send up some planes, and I'm sure you'll return fire. Shall we call it the Second Battle of Otium Aqua?

It depends on the range of your cannons. My SDNs fire up to a maximum of 600 klicks ( and that's pushing it slightly).

The battle isn't in Otium Aqua is it? I thought we were south of Safehaven? The Otium Aqua is the stretch of water down my west coast.

It's a standard task force that was supposed to bolster the Oceanarian fleet while it moved up SafeHaven's western coast, protecting it from air and submarine raids.

It's a standard task force that was supposed to bolster the Oceanarian fleet while it moved up SafeHaven's western coast, protecting it from air and submarine raids.

Falklands task force size or (more likely) larger?

Falklands task force size or (more likely) larger?

* One Argentine class Galleon
* One Zealous class Super Dreadnought
* Five Indestructable class Aircraft Carriers
* Three Raus class Escort Carriers
* Three Elusive class Battleships
* Fifteen Seydlitz class Cruisers
* Fifteen Clauswitz class Frigates
* Thirty Manstein class Destroyers
* Forty Azores class Fast Attack Craft
* One Hundred Assorted Other Shipping

I actually have two fleets at Corzar, now that I look at it, but one of them should be at Beda Fromm - which is the one I'll use, while the other will be a reserve in case Targul Frumos turns against me again.

Ok, I just purchased a navy, assuming I have about 1,000 planes of assorted types left over from Czardaians for the Catalasian scientists to disassemble and reverse-engineer to make their own, so I ought to be ready in about 40 NS years, by which time Fedor I would be little more than a memory and most of the nations involved will have CTE'd long ago.

But no-one RPs it that way. :p

Anyway, my naval equipment is thus all courtesy of Isselmere, my aerial stuff Czardas, and land vehicles and stuff based on whomever I buy them from. :p

A peace conference at this point is just as likely as a peace conference in August of 1941. Unlikely, that is. We've only been in the war for four [a bit less] months! This war needs to last longer than that! No peace conference for you!

Ya, 4 months and 30 million+ dead

By that rate, we will have around 90 million dead in a year. If this was World War II, we would have 450 million dead at its end. :p

SH2, get on MSN. We need to discuss some stuff. :)

Ya, 4 months and 30 million+ dead

Where do we get 30+ million? Are you counting the bombing of Aurillac?

The people that died in Aurillac died in this war to.:p

[ooc:] Ok, ok already! Check my comment on the Atlantian Oceania RMB.
Responded to your puppet [The Czardaian Envoy] via telegram.

It depends on the range of your cannons. My SDNs fire up to a maximum of 600 klicks ( and that's pushing it slightly).

The battle isn't in Otium Aqua is it? I thought we were south of Safehaven? The Otium Aqua is the stretch of water down my west coast.

Cannons?

I use strictly missiles! :p

Good point... it will be more like the battle of South Haven. Actually, I'll think up a good name for it when I post.

Gen remember that I have vessels with that Stevidian Task Force and in my last post I have a standing CAP of 24 F-22S's and 5 AWACS aircraft.

In the post im about to write up I'll reflect that :)


Oh and at the range of just over 700km that you give, you are just within range of some air launched missiles.

Cannons?

I use strictly missiles! :p

EXCELLENT!!!

Oh, G, just read you OOC on PP.

Air war is cool, but don't think i won't get within cannon range. My RN has some of the best gunnery in the region AND i have some new missiles (see my reference forum) to play with.

To WAR!!

I guess, since the fighting has begun, my fleet will arrive a bit late - until I get a post up.

My refference thread I am still putting it together

http://z7.invisionfree.com/AoH_Official_Board/index.php?showtopic=116&st=0

Got it.


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Looking foward to Targul Frumos and Mosnoi Bor. ;)

Mac just so you know--I'm still going to post that Naval battle we discussed. I've just been trying to realistically get Jagada into the war. Read the Free Imperia News to know any political situtation in Jagada.

Also note, during this war I'll probably have war correspondance (sp?) reports on situtations in the War and the like. Hope that is within the rules you have set.

Go for it. Just for the battle two of my new Damen'Sta class Dreadnoughts [BBCNs] are commissioned: http://z13.invisionfree.com/The_NS_Draftroom/index.php?showtopic=1866

Cool. I'll also have my Genisis-Class Heavy Battleship involved as well.

Cool idea, but that ain't no cool ship in my books...too bloody scary to be cool. The VLS armament is 1100 cells! with half of them armed with sledgehammer missiles...both versions.

Dangerous ship, very dangerous.

*Knees shaking*

Bah! I can take it...hopefully.

-=Ninth Grand Fleet=-
2 Storm Class-Dreadnaughts
10 Slipstream-Class Battleships
5 Theology-Class Heavy Carriers
15 Norse-Class Battlecruisers
24 TaeKwonDo-Class Destroyers
15 Tournament-Class Attack Cruisers
18 Tenchi-Class Missile Cruisers
24 Sidestreamer-Class Frigates
30 York-Class Corvettes
35 Silence-Class Nuclear Attack Submarines
12 Sweeper-Class Mine Sweepers

Note to Mac: Replace one of the Slipstream-Class Battleships with a Genisis-Class, after two years of the war, all battleships in the entire Navy will have Genisis-Class.

Revised 12th Army
Total Troops: 500,000
Corps 1-5

1st, 2nd, 3rd Corps Statistics (Each)
-60,000 Infantry (Armed with Hali-42s, 9mm Automatic Pistol, gernades, and various other equipment pieces)
-10,000 Armored HMMVs (Capable of carrying six men each)
-1,000 Hastati Light Main Battle Tanks
-250 Challanger 3 Main Battle Tanks
-30,000 155mm Cabulo Mobile Artillery Pieces
-10,000 MLRS Artillery Systems

4th Corps Statistics
-60,000 Infantry (Armed with Hali 42s, 9mm Automatic Pistols, gernades, and various other equipment pieces)
-10,000 APCs (Capable of carrying 8 men each)
-3,000 Hastati Light Main Battle Tanks
-500 Challanger 3 Main Battle Tanks
-30,000 155mm Cabulo Mobile Artillery Pieces
-10,000 MLRS Artillery Systems

5th Corps Statistics
-60,000 Infantry (Some armed with Hali 42, others armed with Anti-Tank Missile Launchers, 9mm Pistols, gernades, various other equipment pieces)
-7,000 155mm Mobile Anti-Tank Vehicles
-5,000 Hastati Light Battle Tanks
-3,000 Challanger 3 Main Battle Tanks
-20,000 155mm Cabulo Mobile Artillery Pieces
-10,000 MLRS Artillery Systems

Order of Battles

Sarcanzan People's Militia
Western Direction [Hell's Gate]
1st Guards Rifle Regiment - ~2,000
1st Rifle Regiment - ~1,500
2nd Rifle Regiment - ~1,500
3rd Rifle Regiment - ~1,500
4th Guards Rifle Regiment - ~2,000
5th Guards Rifle Regiment - ~2,000
5th Rifle Regiment - ~1,500
6th Rifle Regiment - ~1,500
7th Guards Rifle Regiment - ~2,000
7th Rifle Regiment - ~1,500
8th Guards Rifle Regiment - ~2,000
8th Rifle Regiment - ~1,500
---------------
20,500

Central Military District
Not yet done. About 80,000 men.



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Assault Strike Battle Group 'Caretian' [Golden Armada]

HES Coronation - Zealous class Super Dreadnought
HES King of Kings - Argentine class Galleon
HES Damen'Sta - Damen'Sta class Dreadnought
HES Agríen - Damen'Sta class Dreadnought
HES Respart - Damen'Sta class Dreadnought
HES Atmos - Elusive class BBN
HES Elusive - Elusive class BBN
HES Valiant - Elusive class BBN
HES Hunter - Elusive class BBN
HES Solace - Elusive class BBN
HES Undertaker - Elusive class BBN
HES Indestructable - Indestructable class CVN
HES Ajax - Indestructable class CVN
HES Romanov - Indestructable class CVN
HES Tannejurg - Indestructable class CVN
HES Odysseus - Indestructable class CVN
HES Paris - Indestructable class CVN
HES Tenacious - Tenacious class CN
HES Asterix - Tenacious class CN
HES Noble - Tenacious class CN
HES Gargantuan - Tenacious class CN
HES Duchess of Alba - Tenacious class CN
HES Constantien III - Tenacious class CN
HES Serendipity - Tenacious class CN
HES Animal - Tenacious class CN
HES Disraeli - Tenacious class CN
HES Boon - Tenacious class CN
HES Gracious - Tenacious class CN
HES Lucid - Tenacious class CN
HES Transgression - Tenacious class CN
HES Stupendous - Tenacious class CN
HES Congratulatory - Tenacious class CN
HES Estarten - Tenacious class CN
HES Khaff - Tenacious class CN
HES Perestoik - Tenacious class CN
HES Dunval - Tenacious class CN
HES Archent - Tenacious class CN
HES Bathra - Tenacious class CN
HES Dik'erat - Tenacious class CN
136 Pepperbox LSVs
23 Floating Docks [Maintenance Ships]
45 Patrol Vessels [5 based on each Pepperbox]
20 Paramount class ADVs


Sarcanzan Army Group
I forgot... but insofar three two mechanised divisions and an armour division - about 40,000 men and 500 tanks.

Well, since my RP skills are a tad rusty at the moment, and I'd like an RP to keep me occupied in the summer holiday, I would hereby like to join this thread. Here are my three RPing examples:

RP Example One (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=9862582#post9862582)

RP Example Two (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=434060&page=1&pp=15)

RP Example Three (http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=9967096)

I'll be coming in on the side of the Havenites, IC because of the naval battle occuring in the waters of Gerfaanlich, which angers my government enough to declare war.

Well, since my RP skills are a tad rusty at the moment, and I'd like an RP to keep me occupied in the summer holiday, I would hereby like to join this thread. Here are my three RPing examples:

RP Example One (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=9862582#post9862582)

RP Example Two (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=434060&page=1&pp=15)

RP Example Three (http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=9967096)

I'll be coming in on the side of the Havenites, IC because of the naval battle occuring in the waters of Gerfaanlich, which angers my government enough to declare war.

I think I speak for everyone when I say you don't have to give us examples of your RPing. Good to have you involved. I think my admirals just shit themselves with you and Hoggy involved...

I think I speak for everyone when I say you don't have to give us examples of your RPing. Good to have you involved. I think my admirals just shit themselves with you and Hoggy involved...

Well, thanks for the vote of confidence. My naval RPing skills aren't upto much, but this should help improve them. At the moment, I'm writing up my big post to begin with, and see how it goes on from there...

No kidding. My Admirals have even begun talking about taking a long, long vacation since your navies are involved.

No, not you too Skinny! Hell were allies. :p This is going to get very bizarre..... ;)

No, not you too Skinny! Hell were allies. :p This is going to get very bizarre..... ;)

I'll try not to attack you unless neccessary; I'll make that clear in my next post. However...we will defend ourselves against our old allies...

I'll try not to attack you unless neccessary; I'll make that clear in my next post. However...we will defend ourselves against our old allies...

Yeah if you want we can sign a little treaty not to directly fight each other or engage in combat. That way we can support whatever side we want but not have to fight each other. :) Sound good?

Yeah if you want we can sign a little treaty not to directly fight each other or engage in combat. That way we can support whatever side we want but not have to fight each other. :) Sound good?

I like the sound of this. How should we go about it?

http://ns.goobergunch.net/wiki/index.php/Khan_Class_Missile
FEAR ME!

Sorry about my short posts of Questionable quality, i have limited time and im not feeling particularily well at the moment.
That said
FEAR ME AND THE DEATHBRINGERS OF DOOM! Ahem, see what i mean about my not being very well, i have hayfever and a cold simulatenously.

I'll try not to attack you unless neccessary; I'll make that clear in my next post. However...we will defend ourselves against our old allies...
Erm, what about Izistan?

Erm, what about Izistan?

What? What about Izistan?

Izistan is on the Golden Throne's side like Space Union...

Jagada, by sailing along Sarcanza, you are damn near close to my own homeland. That would set alot of my own higher echelon of generals and admirals on edge and make them willing to dispatch an enemy so close. Would it be ok with you if I engaged your fleet after a successful intelligence recon?

I don't want to jump right in with you about to go up against Mekugi (or atleast thats what I got out of Mekugi's last post).

Btw, Haven, I can finish the Aurillac post whenever, but I don't want to rush you into responding, so let me know when your ready and we can get this show rolling again.

Last final today = last day of school. With that said, I can get back into this heavier than before. Now, I need to find things to do...

Izistan is on the Golden Throne's side like Space Union...

Yes? And?

So Mac, is it cool for you to do G's naval force? If not, we could get someone else on your side to do it. Just being considerate because you misght have a lot to write from now on if you say yes.

IH, since G is gone for a few months my plans are on hold so we have a lot more shipping and a planes to play with!

Wouldn't that make your government more hesistant to get involved, with two Woodstock Pact member states and allied nations affiliated the Imperials, Skinny87?

Wouldn't that make your government more hesistant to get involved, with two Woodstock Pact member states and allied nations affiliated the Imperials, Skinny87?

Nope. I have a treaty with SU, but apart from that my govt doesn't care.

So Mac, is it cool for you to do G's naval force? If not, we could get someone else on your side to do it. Just being considerate because you misght have a lot to write from now on if you say yes.

IH, since G is gone for a few months my plans are on hold so we have a lot more shipping and a planes to play with!


I can do it. I just need to find the post where he lists everything he has.

HailandKill, the naval battle that will occur at Sarcanza is between myself and Mac--pre-planned more or less to spice up the story. If you want to get involved, then all you need to do is get Macs approval and we'll work something out.

HailandKill, the naval battle that will occur at Sarcanza is between myself and Mac--pre-planned more or less to spice up the story. If you want to get involved, then all you need to do is get Macs approval and we'll work something out.

Got it. I will let you two slug it out, because don't worry, your time will be coming soon. :P

Proposal

Since I assume there will be a lot of military movements in this Roleplay--I'd like to make a suggestion. We all have maps of the Macabee Empire, problem is, I hear of towns I don't see on the map--Uresaline is one. Now Mac could just as easily explain where they are--but we may forget.

So what I'm here to propose is why not make a RP Map? Where we have miniature flags of each nation placed on the part of their map where their military is. That is of coarse only within the Empire or other countries where the War of Golden Succession goes on.

What I mean is, for example, if I was attacking Fedela, then there would be a miniature flag of Jagada next to Fedela and above it, it would have "12th Army". That would tell anyone whom is reading the map: "Hey, Jagada is attacking Fedela". Of coarse such a high profit city as Fedela wouldn't be hard to find on the map--but I hope you see my point.

How would this even help in the situtation like Uresaline? Well if you put the maps in the relative area of the city or two--and maybe make a tiny dot to show us--then it would get use a more clear understanding of whats going on.

The problem is--do you have time to do this Mac? I mean after this is all said and done, I assume you'll want Campaign Maps to show how the war progressed--this could be one solution to that.

Sounds like a good idea J!

Do I take it that you are volunteering to be the map guy?? hehe

Oh and my exams start tomorrow, so my posting will probably now be limited to weekends for a couple of weeks. I will try to keep up as best I can but can't make any promises as obviously the exams must come first!!

I like that idea. Good thinking!

Even if it is just a missile duel, what are we calling the battle between the combined taskforce and that rather outgunned and outmanned IH fleet that bars my path?
And IH, i said all three task groups that were sailing for optium Aqua the first time are returning save for the troopships and a few escorts, i have a complete list:-

* CSS Warspite (Prince of Wales class SuperBattleship)
* CSS Prince of Wales (Prince of Wales class SuperBattleship)
* CSS Oozkhazi (Milliard Class Superdreadnaught) [Flaghip]
* CSS Honeydew (Argentine Class CVAN conversion)
* CSS Victory (Argentine Class Galleon)
* CSS Repulse (Argentine Class Galleon)
* 9th Dreadnaught Squadron (4 Patavium Family Dreadnaughts)
* CSS Vanguard (Indestructable Class CVN)
* CSS Ireperable (Indestructable Class CVN)
* CSS Hermes (Indestructable Class CVN)
* CSS Indestructable (Indestructable CVN)
* CSS Militaria (Indestructable Class CVN)
* CSS Marina (Indestructable Classs CVN)
* CSS Monaco Bay (Indestructable Class CVN)
* CSS F. G Carter (Indestructable Class CVN)
* CSS Vilnius (Indestructable Class CVN)
* CSS Monterey Bay (Indestructable Classs CVN)
* CSS Rommel (Model Class CVN)
* CSS Inpenetrable (Model Class CVN)
* CSS Excalibur (Excalibur Class Cruiser)
* CSS Praetor (Praetorian Class Bombardment Vessel)
* CN Squadron Three (8 Seydlitz Class Cruisers)
* DD Group Green (12 Manstein Class Destroyers)
* DD Group Blue (12 Illium Class DDGNs)
* 5th Heavy Cruiser Squadron (16 Lance Class Cruisers)
* Destroyer Squadron Three (12 Manstein Class Destroyers)
* AD Group Echo (12 Paramount ADVs)
* AO Group (62 Fast Oilers)
* 4rd LSV Fleet (120 Pepperbox LSVs, 6 Manstein Class Destroyers, 4 Paramount ADVs)
* 6th Heavy Cruiser Squadron (16 Lance Class Cruisers)
* 9th Airdefence Wing (32 Paramount Class ADVs)
* Destroyer Squadron Seven (12 Manstein Class Destroyers)



I think your sattelites miscounted when they said one SD Six Carriers and three Argentines, i think you need more ships to stop me, this is a significant proportion of the Confederate Navy

*Eyes go wide*

I think I read the wrong persons ship manifest!

I'll put that down to Krieg's earlier fiddling with my satellites.

Remember that we are still in range of land based bombers though. And I have a lot of them :D

But seriously...someone help me!

EDIT: But as I said I'm not sure when i can get another post up, so sorry for the delay!

Jagada, by sailing along Sarcanza, you are damn near close to my own homeland. That would set alot of my own higher echelon of generals and admirals on edge and make them willing to dispatch an enemy so close. Would it be ok with you if I engaged your fleet after a successful intelligence recon?

I don't want to jump right in with you about to go up against Mekugi (or atleast thats what I got out of Mekugi's last post).

Btw, Haven, I can finish the Aurillac post whenever, but I don't want to rush you into responding, so let me know when your ready and we can get this show rolling again.

Last final today = last day of school. With that said, I can get back into this heavier than before. Now, I need to find things to do...


Thats fine, after this friday my schedule clear up big time. Right now I'm crammed, wake up for school a 6:30, finish at 3, go to football at 3:15 everyday till 5-5:30 then start work after 6. SO don't have much time to sit down an write an actual rp, which is why I could post for like e20 but not this the past two weeks. But Friday is my last day of school so like I said I'll have plenty of time.

-Randonmess- I couldn't see page 7, so I had to post.

Mac you've got a TG.

Well I'm busy this week and next week (finals, projects, and other stuff due or doing). So sorry I can't get any RP posts up (and if I do, they will likely be low-quality).

Attention HailandKill and Mekugi

I've heard both of you'd like to get involved in the Naval Battle--I would like to make you a proposal. In this proposal, however, both of you would offically 'loose', but freak accident, but in the end it becomes a stalemate victory, meaning Macabees, HailandKill, and Mekugi fall back, but I cannot press the advantage and can only go for my immiedate objective (landing troops in Sarcanza). This proposal has been presented and approved by the Macabees.

Storms occur west of Dienstad peninsula. We could tweak our posts to say that. Though there is a freak storm, very violent, enough to know out communications, and missile systems--limiting us to gun-to-gun, ship-to-ship sort of battle. Essientally this is what I propose.

The Ninth Fleet as the 'Macabee Theater' Expiditionary Force with it, and its enters the storm. Though HailandKill and Mekugi also, using their satelliates, pick up the Ninth Fleet entering the storm and send their ships to engage me from inside the storm, thinking they'll have the drop on me. You'd be tracking me based off of speed, direction, waves, ect as I entered the storm. Though my sateallites pick up yours fleets heading towards the storm, and send a final message (just before my communications fail) to my fleet and inform me of your location, coarse, and speed. This allows me a 'luck' advantage, which may be cause for a news paper article about a alternative history thing--but thats a whole other story.

Note, the Grand Navy (Jagite Navy) is considered one of the worst in modern history. Its never won even the smallest engagements, its undiciplined, its hardly worth notice--thus you logically expect an easy, easy victory and me 'exploiting' the storm would naturally be far from your mind--no matter how seriously you would take any oppenet. HailandKill for example beat my fleet which was three times his fleet's size, and my fleet got a surprise attack on him. So you can tell why the Grand Fleet is only Grand in name.

Now, as both of you are heading towards my location--I'm not there, but someone else. The Macabees Imperial Fleet, which is heading to repair and rearm or something else if Macabees chooses. Though your three fleets 'ram' into eachother--not literally unless you want to. Though a very unusual and confusing situtation happens. The Macabees will be wondering why two of its closest allies are heading towards it coast with an assault fleet--and why they're using the storm to cover their movements. HailandKill and Mekugi are shocked to find the Macabee Fleet, not the Grand Navy at the coordinates, and to find each other. Thus in all this confusion, my fleet sets up and launchs its surprise attack. Now this surprise attack will utter shock your men. It'd be like the Iraqi Navy getting the surprise on the US Navy and winning--thats how this situtation would essientally be. In confusion and the fact that three fleets are nice and compactly together, my battleships rip yours apart. In reponse, your battleships fire in a frenzy, not knowing how this could happen, destroying a lot of my smaller ships--but very few of my capital. In the end, suffering heavy capital ships losses, all three of you decide it isn't worth it--despite the fact that you technically have me on the ropes, and thus retreat.

Now you all may say that this is humilitating. Though, Macabees controlls his newspapers, not sure about Mekugi, and Killians are firecely patriotic. You just tell your people a freak storm, which knocked out communications, gave my fleet the slight advantage it needed. Sack a few officers, or exeucte them (however you do business) and call it a fluke victory--which is what it would be. I, however, call it an 'Act of God', and my people believe it--due to being deeply religious and they would naturally think that God sent the storm.

This way no one is needlessly humiliated, and every can walk away a winner in some way. This will lead up to a HUGE naval battle, however.

This HUGE Naval battle will only be pre-planned in the sense that we all agree to allow it to happen at some point--but its outcome is open-ended. I was hoping to have a huge, descive naval conflict between the Havenic Pact and the Northern Alliance. Mainly a Macabee-Killian-Mekugian VS. Jagite-Questerian-Skinny87. Just a suggestion of coarse and its requires all of your apporval (though Mac, I think, OKed that idea).

So what do you think?

The issue really is though, unless we fired on ourselves, we (or atleast I) easily outgun you in basic bore (508mm compared to 550mm) that gives me both range, damage and penetration advantage in even a plain gun fight. Also assumeing heavier armoring on the vessels that mount such guns would assume less Capital losses.

A storm really wouldnt be that much of a lynch pin for you anyways considering your badly trained navy, even in storm conditions, would get even more sloppy as it takes a hell of alot of training and experience to fight in any form effectively in high seas and gail winds. So putting us into a storm and then yourself wouldnt see us with anywhere near as much of a disadvantage as it would you.

Realistically its just not practical, Not to sound rude but Id rather retcon my post.

Your call, and its cool, though my navy isn't like the Iraqi Navy in dicipline. Its undiciplined when compared to your own. They've lost primarily due to bad high command leader--its basically not that way this time. I could technically maneuver in the storm, and again threw luck, pull off some victory. As for you guys firing on each other--that wouldn't be overly surprisingly. I just didn't want to say that directly, as I'm sure all of you have experianced navies and wouldn't go for that.

I mean you could think HailandKill is me--since your communications and most of your sensory equipment is down. You two get into an engagement. Macabees, seeing HailandKill getting attacked--thinks its me or someone else, maybe Questers or something? Then he attacks you. I, by luck take advantage, and sweep in, hitting yawl with a desicive blow. You three realize what has happened and begin to pull back--in pulling back you do what any experianced navy does to an unexperianced one--inflict heavy losses.

Though, I admit I have ulterior motives to this battle, I am hoping to use a, if any, naval victories in this RP to give my navy a breath of life. Though I'm sure we all have ulterior motives for getting involved--be it glory, land, or something else.

Again, this is just a proposal, and you're welcome to withdrawl your post--its your call.

Well I have an issue Jagada....I moved my navy out before yours on the same path.

I waited to RP arriving to allow reaction to the deployment(especially considering the proximity of our coasts).....so I was left with a problem--pitch and claim I should be ahead of you ... or play it as it lays..I Have choosen to play it as it lays so no one has to re-write except me( but I havnt posted the post yet so that doesnt matter) So along with Hail and Mekugi you have my Navy right behind you.

I might as not be in the battle - not only to make it fairer, but I much rather have my fleet fix itself up for a big operation coming up in February or so 2017.

Ok, I'm confused to no end. I didn't get half-way threw your post. If we are in the storm I said would have occured--your sensory, missile launcher, and a variety of other systems would be down. Essientally, you'd be just as blind as myself. Many you'd have to see me with your eyes. And if you can see me with your eyes, then I can also see you with mine.

As for aircraft--it would be rather pointless in this kind of weather--hard to see, aim, ect.

This will all of coarse have to change if you want this open-ended. As its rather silly to play in a scenario established for a planned Rp for an Open one.

I dunno how much I could lose if I participated in the naval battle. I was thinking of a "Jagite pacification" mission that included naval blockade, bombing, or even invasion. I will need to get back to you.

I might join in the naval battle, depending on where it takes place.

This will certainly put the two battles of Otium Aqua in the dark if this goes through, i wonder if there'll be any sea left to sail in when the battles takes place.

Say Mac, mind if I send in a couple of destroyers to observe the situation or some spy-sats (which have been watching the entire situation, but not role-played out)?

Is it alright to assume that my fleet will have arrived by now? Or shall I wait another week?

If they've arrived, any chance I can partake in this huge naval battle?

Say Mac, mind if I send in a couple of destroyers to observe the situation or some spy-sats (which have been watching the entire situation, but not role-played out)?


Sure.

Ok Skibereen (sp?) there is something I wanted to point out--not sure I already did. If the weather is bad enough to knock my communications, and basically all of my ships sensory equipment out--it will do the same to you. Reember, this is a violent storm, so one we are inside of it, we are essientally blind of each others locations--unless you enter in last at which point you'll have a minor understanding of what my fleet is heading.

Is it alright to assume that my fleet will have arrived by now? Or shall I wait another week?

Your fleet your rules- it worked for Gen's fleet that traversed the whole breadth of the region in two days (fluid time of course).

If they've arrived, any chance I can partake in this huge naval battle?

Not for me to say since i'm not involved (thankfully) in this one. I need a break. You can ask but i duuno what the answer will be.

EDIT:
Ok Skibereen (sp?) there is something I wanted to point out--not sure I already did. If the weather is bad enough to knock my communications, and basically all of my ships sensory equipment out--it will do the same to you. Reember, this is a violent storm, so one we are inside of it, we are essientally blind of each others locations--unless you enter in last at which point you'll have a minor understanding of what my fleet is heading.

Good old fashioned battleships!

Ok Skibereen (sp?) there is something I wanted to point out--not sure I already did. If the weather is bad enough to knock my communications, and basically all of my ships sensory equipment out--it will do the same to you. Reember, this is a violent storm, so one we are inside of it, we are essientally blind of each others locations--unless you enter in last at which point you'll have a minor understanding of what my fleet is heading.

First, Satellites, so I will have fairly good understanding of where your ships are headed...will I know whose ships are whose? No, I cant use sats for FOF through a storm---can i track a fleet? Yes.


Second, I am hours behind you. ...Point Riptide(The Coast of Riptide Monzarcc it is my understanding you are at least 300 miles south...unless that is you want to RP our fleets holding hands on departure....???

You are in the Storm I am not, that is why I am catching you....insteado f holding steady----it isnt my fault you didnt notice I was sending my Fleet on the same route as you...before you did....

Lastly I never made any such agreement to have my ships completely blinded, that defeats my military's entire doctrine...I conceded by not being AHEAD of you. That is my concession.
Ok Jagada (sp?).

Hmmm...prehaps it would be best if we just ignored the whole ordeal. I only brought my fleet to that point because Macabees and I had an agreement to a naval fight--Macabees has pulled out, and thus I would never risk my only armed and active fleet to take an overly long journey to Sarcanza when I could just land in Safehaven and go threw Zarbia.

So, if you don't mind, I would like for us to just forget about this. This has turned into a rather confusing and complex ordeal. Though due that you took time out to compromise and wrote all that--I'll owe you one in the future. Say if we ever get into another naval battle I'll just loose. I hope that is compensation enough.

You can just put your army into Sarcanza through Zarbia. Logistics shouldn't be a problem as Zarbia never responds, so the threat of me overrunning your logistics route is small.

OK then, but theatrewise - could I post my fleet arriving this weekend?

Hmmm...prehaps it would be best if we just ignored the whole ordeal. I only brought my fleet to that point because Macabees and I had an agreement to a naval fight--Macabees has pulled out, and thus I would never risk my only armed and active fleet to take an overly long journey to Sarcanza when I could just land in Safehaven and go threw Zarbia.

So, if you don't mind, I would like for us to just forget about this. This has turned into a rather confusing and complex ordeal. Though due that you took time out to compromise and wrote all that--I'll owe you one in the future. Say if we ever get into another naval battle I'll just loose. I hope that is compensation enough.
Jagada, lol. I think if you and I got into a naval battle everyone else would just sit around and laugh.

I figure by range I am eight to nine hours behind your fleet....if you want we can pull the fleets back respectively(my wingships have no problem landing so that part of my post can stand) and where the Land mass divides you can go south and I can go North, this would leave me with the option of giving chase or proceding safely north(relatively safe)---that is if you want a battle with Mac, if simply want a one on one I can get slowed down by the storm an you can engage Mekugi and Hail.

I dont wantto push you into a loss. But kind of like you wouldnt head into the lion's den I wouldnt go south.

Whatever you want is fine if you are looking to reserve assets, excuse me if my post seemed testy I had just....meh. Long story.

Anyway I understand trying to hold your navy together for a good fight.
This would allow you to put your army into Sarcanza, me to put my main forces into Sarcanza and our navies to be at respective distances from each other.
Sound good to you or no?

OK then, but theatrewise - could I post my fleet arriving this weekend?

if you want, my waters are becoming for volatile every month (no matter how many heads we bash), some much needed releif would be warmly welcomed by commanders.

I wont be getting a post in for a while - world cup is taking up most of my time.

hopefully my next post will be up in the next few hours...watching the British Grand Prix then I will just finish off some details.

Spiz, can you put a link to those Kahn Missiles so I can properly RP the damage? Thanks!

Post is up.

Spiz, I will respond to your missile attack in my next post that will hopefully be up pretty soon.

I may have taken a liberty in my current post by saying the bombers got to strike range undetected, but with the diversion being created I have assumed that your controllers would have been very preoccupied and those SB-22's give very very little radar return. (Link to them and the missile specs in my reference thread)

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11110180&postcount=74

Heres the link to the post where i put the link to the missile up. Those things are enormously powerful

I wont be getting a post in for a while - world cup is taking up most of my time.

LOL!

Likewise!

IH - contact me on MSN for fleet coordination, please. ;)

Cos of a plot thingy i wanna do with Juum, I've retconned the Hood going and replaced it with the Mountbatten. They're exactly the same ships, so it shouldn't really matter.

Sorry Spiz, i must be going blind to have missed that!! I'll put up the damage asap!

Well, I've joined the war as you have read. I have posted that the fleets are going out to sea, but I have not specified where they are going, so, people, I'm going to have them go where-ever you wish, whenever it makes a better plot or such. Anybody, ideas?

Come to the Optia Aquim Sea ASAP

Belay that order!

Belay that Belaying order

*taggy, tag, tag*

Just in case I ever want to get involved. :P

Belay that Belaying order

Oh, you play a risky a little game............

Belay all of Spizania's counter-belay orders or anyone NOT in the Haven Pact

I second that. A motion is on the floor.

I hereby create a new alliance to be known as the "Haven Pact" and belay all of Stevids and Jagada's motions

I think I'm going to be gone to vacation in Spain [to talk to the military and try to get into the Spanish Civil War archives] until August 22. What do you guys want to do?

I think I'm going to be gone to vacation in Spain [to talk to the military and try to get into the Spanish Civil War archives] until August 22. What do you guys want to do?

Perhaps we postpone the war for a couple of months, that's what happened last time when Guffingford was was still in it. Many of us are willing to wait.

Besides, Rome wasn't built in a day, so to this war will not be finished in a few weeks. Lets just say that from now on its fierce fighting on the frontline and ships are slowly approching/retreating form each other.

Indeed.

I mean the battles that are ongoing that dont directly involve Mac (the naval one with spiz, myself etc) can be completed and then we can have a pause.

There are a couple of spins offs from this that I've discussed with Stevid that we can persue in the meantime!

I am inclined to agree. If we must wait, then we must wait. No getting around it.

What is the Optia Aqium Sea and which thread are deployments/fighting in that area in?

:o

I become confused by all the threads. Silly me.

What is the Optia Aqium Sea and which thread are deployments/fighting in that area in?

:o

I become confused by all the threads. Silly me.

Right then, Geography lesson!

Take a look at the map provided by The Macabees. Reference could be either the first page on the IC Thread on on this thread.

On the map, look around untill you find Guffingford, to the left is a nation that looks like the British Isles- that's me- Stevid. The stretch of water that seperates Stevid and Guffingford and that passes below stevid....That is the Otium Aqua Sea.

There have been Two battles there (possible three if you wanna include the minior skirmish i had against Oceanaira). Me Vs. Guff and Me, IH Vs. Mac. so far all of them have seemingly gone in favour of the Haven Pact.

At the moment though, there will be a battle between Jagada and Spizania soon (i think). A large Questers Fleet is passing through, however by this time they must have passed through by now. And my 4th Fleet- Homeland Defence is in harbour at Stevid waiting to come out if there is a direct threat in Otium Aqua that needs "attendeding".

North West of Otium Aqua another battle is kinda develping I think. With Mac, Space Union, Questers and Independent Hitmen.

That's the jist of it.

Spizania and I are fighting in that area? Wow...that catches me off guard a lot more than you know. As I only have a fleet as the Macabea Penisular which I am lead to believe is somewhere close to Sacanaza.

By the time I return this thread will be one years old. :)

I shall buy streamers. :D

I haven't a decent war RP in ages, and Questers, Skinny, Etc. recommend this highly, so I'd like to apply to join. RP examples:

Example 1 (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=465198)
Example 2 (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=454731)
Example 3 (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=461880)

Now I just need to think up a way of actually getting myself involved...

...Not good...um yea...join the Haven Pact. Please. :D

I haven't a decent war RP in ages, and Questers, Skinny, Etc. recommend this highly, so I'd like to apply to join. RP examples:

Example 1 (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=465198)
Example 2 (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=454731)
Example 3 (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=461880)

Now I just need to think up a way of actually getting myself involved...

Glad to have you aboard Praetonia. :) Remember, join the Northern Alliance Pat with Mac, Mek, me, Hail, and Geneticon. :)

SafeHaven2, mind if we simply start posting exclusively to Targul Frumos? Naval battles are soon to become a normal occurance, and the fact that Targul Frumos hasn't been responded to since December of last years means that a major portion of my fleet is stuck a timewarp that doesn't seem to want to move foward.

Sorry, I don't believe I posted an ORBAT earlier, so here it is;

TASKFORCE: LONGSWORD;
CIC; Fleet Admiral Laura Cheswick
BATTLEGROUP SIERRA [Battlegroups TANGO and UNIFORM are exactly the same]
1 Hood/Renown class Battleship
2 Glorious class Battleship
4 Centurion/Invincible class Battleship
2 Ocean class Fleet Carrier
2 Ardent class Battlecarrier
2 Audacious class Aircraft Carrier
8 Victorious/Malaya/Battle/Daring class Battleship
6 Hercules/Freedom class Battleship
10 Eagle class Battlecruiser
20 Sheffield class 16in Cruiser
100 Pocklington class 8in Cruiser
300 Captain Devlin class Destroyer
100 East Riding class Destroyer
20 Poacher class Minehunter
100 Derwent class Frigate
20 Stoat class Fleet Submarines
90 Resolution class Fleet Submarines
5 Saint David class Hospital ships
20 Deliverance Class AOR
20 Resolution class AO

So basically x that all by 3 to get my total number of ships.

SafeHaven2, mind if we simply start posting exclusively to Targul Frumos? Naval battles are soon to become a normal occurance, and the fact that Targul Frumos hasn't been responded to since December of last years means that a major portion of my fleet is stuck a timewarp that doesn't seem to want to move foward.

Thought you were done till August? Thats why I haven't done anything here, you still able to rp?

Thought you were done till August? Thats why I haven't done anything here, you still able to rp?

No, but I have about a week left. I thought maybe there was a way to finish up Targul Frumos for when I came back. I have a plan to lead up to Ishme-Dagan almost immediately. At Mosnoi Bor the counterstroke will end when you start to reinforce your line which is slowly being pushed around so that I encircle your forces. My huge army that was hastily deployed without proper logistics comes to a lumbering halt and that's when I introduce Ishme-Dagan, a city some 150kms to your rear. You order your men at Aurillac to the defensive, to avoid having them be churned up where you could use them to stave off another offensive from me, and we start to progress into the building up stage where everyone rushes their armaments to the general area. Ishme-Dagan will happen with a massive Northern Alliance Pact offensive towards Ishme-Dagan. Then the mother of all battles will happen! This, being, after August.

I don't know how much time you can sacrifice, but it would be nice to get everything thus far finished. If not, just Targul Frumos.

KK, I'll get a Targul post up, tho I'm leaving Sunday morning for five days so I don't know if I'll have time to get off a Mosnoi Bor post.

Should I respond to Aurillac soon so you can IC'ly go on the defensive? You on the defensive at Aurillac would put me in a MUCH better position to fight Ishme-Dagan.

Yes everyone, I am still alive.

I'm alive too! Just finished school pretty much (well I have Monday left but we do nothing) so now I have all the time to post. I have a couple of catching up to do over the weekend but I guarantee a post this weekend. I would like to also say I'll be gone from Tuesday to Sunday (I think) to go to Florida. Once I'm back, I'm free. :)

H&K, I can't seem to find your last response to Targul Frumos, if you did respond could you direct it to me? If not, then o well I'll respond to the Macabean part so TM can get something before I leave tommorrow.

So Jagada what are we going to do?

Are you changing your position? or Are we going to fight?

If you are going to fight Mekugi and Hail and dont want me involved i can move around the combat.

Because we are both on the same track if you are off the coast of Sarc, and I am only a few hours behind you 8-9 at the most.

I thought you said you were going to have that fleet divert south, if that is not the case I am happy to fight.

Come to Optia Aquim and save my fleet, come on please please please, you are on Macabees side right?

Come to Optia Aquim and save my fleet, come on please please please, you are on Macabees side right?

Under way.

New Avakari would like to join with the Northern Alliance Pact.

Is the three example thing nesssary? I'll try and dig up stuff, but I havent RPed in a long time, at least not on the main boards. But SB can voutch for me though.

this is gettin really big.

mmmm..

As you've probably noticed my post has been delayed by revision. I'm trying to incorperate Allaneas entry into it as well so that has delayed it even further. Can't promise when I will get it up, but im trying!

With regards to it though, I think my fleet has a slight speed advantage as its auxilliaries come out to it from Stevid when they are needed and I have improved most of the vessels to go faster than their standard speeds. From my calculations I can do fleet speed of twenty nine - thirty one knots and my commanders are intent on keeping the gap wide.

I hope when the post does come up that ive done those Kahn things justice, as usual any arguements with it just tell me here!

Spiz I cant break my fleet up yet as i Am landing troops...I cant abandon the Epediationary vessels.

But I will divert that after my next post and I am moving subs into that area so I can offer some harrassment anyway.

So Jagada what are we going to do?

Are you changing your position? or Are we going to fight?

If you are going to fight Mekugi and Hail and dont want me involved i can move around the combat.

Because we are both on the same track if you are off the coast of Sarc, and I am only a few hours behind you 8-9 at the most.

I thought you said you were going to have that fleet divert south, if that is not the case I am happy to fight.

I think we might as well wait until Mac returns. I haven't had time recently to make up a good post. Though I was under the assumption that we had armies in Sarcanza and that our Navies were a decent distance apart.

As this RP is kinda stalled due to everyone's sudden insistence on taking vacations (:p), I'll be starting a spinoff war with Skinny, to be linked to momentarily (that is to say, when it actually starts out.)

Oh guys, when I get my destroyers in the Greater Dienstad region, they are to be there without anything being fired upon and observing the entire dilemma. Anybody that fires upon them without any authorization from me OOCly (I'm contemplating about getting into the war, but I'm not entirely sure), shall be added to my I.G.N.O.R.E. list. And IH, you have a TG to respond to....

Really? I thought I responded to it? I'll check again.

As for my post, should be up by end of day. :) ive used the statistics from the info about the Khan so hopefully its all good.

Oh guys, when I get my destroyers in the Greater Dienstad region, they are to be there without anything being fired upon and observing the entire dilemma. Anybody that fires upon them without any authorization from me OOCly (I'm contemplating about getting into the war, but I'm not entirely sure), shall be added to my I.G.N.O.R.E. list. And IH, you have a TG to respond to....
Errr... I really don't think you can do that.

Also, forgot to say: I'm joining the Haven Pact, with Skinny and Questers. Involvement IC post will be forthcoming soon.

Also, forgot to say: I'm joining the Haven Pact, with Skinny and Questers. Involvement IC post will be forthcoming soon.

Yes!!

Also IH, If you need a lot of support naval wise then i can divert a few ships in that direction.

Errr... I really don't think you can do that.
Mac's approval. (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11125761&postcount=106)

OOC: Mac, would it be OK if I deployed a squadron (4 pilots with aircraft) of mercenaries to Questers? I already had it cleared with him and Juumanistra.

Mac's approval. (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11125761&postcount=106)
I meant, I don't think you can make them immune to attack by threatening to ignore anyone who shoots at them.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=488433
A Territorial Dispute

Il reply ASAP

I think we might as well wait until Mac returns. I haven't had time recently to make up a good post. Though I was under the assumption that we had armies in Sarcanza and that our Navies were a decent distance apart.
Jagada 8 hours seperation at full speed is a good distance.
But as I said before, our fleets left simultaniously at best.
So my next post will be my troops landing Sarc.
DO you want to RP a naval engagement(after mac returns) to defend your position on the shore and delay my landing of forces or move your navy out and take advantage of the 8 hour lead and begin moving your men out.

I figured 8 hours is enough lead to not ruin your OOC plans but fiar to the fact I posted the same position as you and it went unoticed so I shouldnt be penalized by getting stiffed completely on position.

Plus I have troops landed in Beda Fromm but they are an under strenght division.

You want ot hold action in Macabee for Macabee that cool. Your call.

I meant, I don't think you can make them immune to attack by threatening to ignore anyone who shoots at them.
Yeah, strange naval vessels in a conflict zone would be ....not warmly received. Maybe not immediately fired upon....but then I would fire on a non-allied military vessel in a coflict with so many players. Or at least turn it.

OOC: I will be sending a communique to all parties concerned so I won't get blasted my head off.

Three more weeks!

Til we restart? Or time until people are away again? (Because Stevid is on holiday this week)

Praetonia has promised to start posting in our war thread again, so the War will be moving. Moving towards the total victory of the northern alliance ofcourse :D

Til we restart? Or time until people are away again? (Because Stevid is on holiday this week)


Until I come back at least.

Safehaven2, you can reply if you´d like. I´ll be back by Monday.

i'm cool to restart by Monday. Summer holidays and tons of free time to spare.

I'm in the middle of another war but in that rp i mention this one a lot so i can easily sway towards two.

Cool to restart on monday, who wants to have an air battleship battle?

EDIT: Scrub the Praeto-Spizanian War because Prae has stopped posting and probably will never start again

By the way for those of you who don't know. Oceanaira (AKA: Geneticon) was deleted through inactivity so my fleet that was about to attack him is back in port. Mac was going to send an escort fleet but i'm just assuming that his fleet has returned as well.

I had to think of a good (IC) response to why Guffingford's fleet disappeared when he got deleted- i can't be bothered to do three pages worth of bollocks like that again.

OOC: Awesome. We can finally restart this RP. :)

*Continues where he left off before the break began*

Yeah I'm still waiting for a post from either Safe Haven or Stevid in response to the fact that San Menedez was just fire bombed... Stevid mostly because he has a division that just landed there.

I'm here :)

I'll take today to remind myself where we are then to battle!!

Yeah I'm still waiting for a post from either Safe Haven or Stevid in response to the fact that San Menedez was just fire bombed... Stevid mostly because he has a division that just landed there.

Oh yeah! I forgot all about those boys! Fire Bomb as in napalm right?

Actually inceindiary (as in Magnesium, Thermate, and other mixtures) with some of the following bombs being little more than iron practice bombs filled with jet fuel and an airbursting timer. With dawn coming the morning heat fanning the flames should make it peticularly uncomfortable...

The actual mix of fire bombs (50%), HE (40%), and Feul bombs(10%) is in a post on page 17 of the thread.

Look everyone, I live!!!

I'll be able to start posting again as long as I keep interest in NS. It has been three months since I have done any RP, so it might suck as I clean of the rust.

Good to see you all though.

Has anybody actually seen SafeHaven2 anywhere?

Actually inceindiary (as in Magnesium, Thermate, and other mixtures) with some of the following bombs being little more than iron practice bombs filled with jet fuel and an airbursting timer. With dawn coming the morning heat fanning the flames should make it peticularly uncomfortable...

The actual mix of fire bombs (50%), HE (40%), and Feul bombs(10%) is in a post on page 17 of the thread.

I'll try and get a post up as soon as possible.

Huzzah! Mac is back! Let the pwnage begin!

[Note to self: CApital ships in the region are Repulse, Renown, and Mountbatten. Can't forget that=.=]

Oceanaria [Geneticon] is dead now through inactivity so they're no longer in the RP...unless he accidently got himself deleted and will return as another nation.

Just wanted to check before I posted anything, Mekugi would you have any problems with a squadron of my Interceptors trying to catch those bombers and then having a brief fight with the fighters? There would only be 12 or so of my F-15CI's supported by an AWAC's, say they were doing installation patrols from a base near(ish) to San Menedez?

Hey guys--I assume my 12th Army during this small waiting period would have moved threw Zarbia to the border with Macabees?

If only Zarbia responded.

Considerring the bombers (45) have their own protective armament and are escorted by 24x F-33E Fighters... if you want, though Id like Safehaven to post but Im not really expecting that anytime soon.

I don't mind what you or IH do, i shot AA flak at those bombers in a vain attempt to take some down...i got moer than i expected, i wouldn't have been bothered if i didn't shoot any down. By stuff was in disarray, help from IH would be great to finish off what I couldn't do but the damage done to the 1st Airborne Division is done now.

If IH does succeed in wiping out the bomber force it will be too little too late any way.

not sure if they would be wiped out, I wouldnt be able to catch them if they running at Mach 2 and my forces are a ways off to start with. I would be more interested in having a little fight with the F-33 (i think) fighters that were strafing just to get me back into the RP.

The bombers are quite litterally burning Tail feather home... but yeah any damage they would do is already done the bombs haveing been dropped several posts ago. The F-33 are still on site but they are low and slow comparatively so theyd be a bitch to target amongst the ground clutter, for now they are simply content strafing stevin ground forces that make the mistake of popping out to strike at the bombers.

Im for alittle bit of a dogfight plus it will give me design notes that will prompt the F-40A Horus.

Ok, ill try and get a post up soon!

My God Space Unioon! 3,250 bombers-that's below belt, the city will be ruined!

I assume bunker busting bombs, 1000kg bombs- works? No?

[OOC: Too bad the F-36 "Kunai" Interceptor and Strike Aircraft family has yet to make it's debut in the Royal Air Force, as all the (an IC secret of course, for now that is) Kunais procured by Stevid are for the Royal Navy, as all those he procured are carrier-based interceptor versions, and AFAIK, there are no SRN carriers or airbases nearby, but even if there are carriers around, most likely none of them have the "Kunai" with them and I seriously doubt that the SRN carriers contain aircraft that can easily deal with entire bomber formations and easily down a low altitude, high speed strategic bomber alone.

This war seems to have gotten more interesting with my OOC tips to Stevid and IH for NS units that they may like and need....and just for the record, in case you all forgot, my government ICly wants little to nothing to do with this conflict, so you guys in the Northern Alliance can't exactly make me reap the fruit I sowed.]

If your trying to hint me on what to buy SEA then it's worked. Until i've got the knowledge to design my own aircraft ill stick to your OOC wisdom.

[OOC: What I meant was, it'll be interesting to see those planes of yours in action, not procure some more. But oh well, it's your choice...]

My God Space Unioon! 3,250 bombers-that's below belt, the city will be ruined!

I assume bunker busting bombs, 1000kg bombs- works? No?

Yes, along with an assortment of other weapons (I have a new weapon to test out mwahahahha but then again there isn't an air defence network (other than the occasional AA flak that might have survived) in San Mendenez after Mekugi's intial bombing so I guess that will have to wait). After this bombing run, there won't be a city left to defend. ;)

Also just wanted to know, how many roads are there going into the city? 3?

I'm not in any real position to say since it is a city that Safehaven made up- in reality it's his choice but it is one of only 3-4 cities on the map which means it is a big major city. Seeing that it is a major one, i can see it have at least 6 main motorways or highways (3-4 lanes) into the city and twenty various main roads and/or dual carrigdeways (1-2 lanes).

Typical bombing strategies are to eliminate a nation's infrastructure, i don't doubt that your bombers can do that but cities usually have a lot of roads in and out of them as standard anyway.

I'm not in any real position to say since it is a city that Safehaven made up- in reality it's his choice but it is one of only 3-4 cities on the map which means it is a big major city. Seeing that it is a major one, i can see it have at least 6 main motorways or highways (3-4 lanes) into the city and twenty various main roads and/or dual carrigdeways (1-2 lanes).

Typical bombing strategies are to eliminate a nation's infrastructure, i don't doubt that your bombers can do that but cities usually have a lot of roads in and out of them as standard anyway.

Bah, I thought it was a large town or small city. :p Alright that sounds good and since SH2 aint around, I'll go with that.

Hey, quick question. If you know what to buy through SEA's OOC prodding, how does this OOC knowledge magically turn into IC knowledge. I mean, after an OOC comment, does your leadership just magically get the idea to buy stuff?

I don't mean to come off harsh, but I am honestly curious and this is a question in earnest.

(And once again, I LIVE!!!)

[OOC: H&K, I believe there's a simple explanation to that really: Clan Smoke Jaguar Military Industries is quite well known in part due to it's country's reputation (some examples: CSJ's an OMP member, and very well known for it's highly formidable air force, as first demonstrated in Operation Everest [aka the Homeland Defense War in Omzian nomenclature] (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=291028), in which they defeated Sniper Country and it's allies when SC and Co. invaded the Omzian Democratic Republic). Then there's the fact that several purchasers of CSJMI don't have particularly high IC opinions of the Macabee Imperium (not counting my nation, as Southeast Asia has good trade and diplomatic ties with the Golden Throne), so anybody could have tipped them off. The Stevidian MI6 could also have been doing an intelligence scan and picked up what they needed. There's an infinite amount of explanations that could be used to explain why CSJMI is supplying Stevid and the USIH without Southeast Asian involvement, as we have nil IC ties with the two previously mentioned parties.]

ooooo.....good come back **eggs on fights**

Also, Space Union, despite our hostilities- i feel that your secret might be that AMM? if so i can;t wait for you to bomb my guys in that city..... there's a sentence i never thought i'd say.

Argh, sorry about the lack of post! Seems like people keep piling stuff on me that is very important grrrr bloody university!!! hehe. anyway, im typing a post up now that reflects the number of aircraft I have in SH2 and the reaction to any large scale bombing raid as we have coming in :) my ground troops are all off to the west, heading for the front as is the bulk of my aircraft but I think its plausible that some would be in the area for a scrap!

EDIT: The post ive just put up on the forum will be partly explained on my reference thread very soon (the technology behind it)

Rough numbers of aircraft 7 AWAC's, 250 F-15CI's, 120 F-22's, 150 F-16CI's

Stevid, actually the AMM isn't, but don't worry I'm going to use the missile just to clear out some of whatevers left in the city that can be called air defence. :)

IH, well get ready for a fight then my friend. :)

We're boned!

However, one shouldn't underestimate MT aircraft- not F-22's/16's or 15's- SEA told me that, if RPed well, a B1 Lancer can get through most national defences and let off a bombload of ordinance.

IH can RP very well- those aircraft will be a handfull.

I know, B1Bs pwn and i still use them (havent got enough of SUs bombers and have to use B1s for bomb bus duties in some cases)

All RL equipment can defeat NS equipment, if you RP them correctly. The main bonus of NS equipment is that a creator can stress his strengths in his design over his weaknesses, making it easier to RP using them correctly. But doesn't mean it can't lose to a well RPed F-15. ;)

Then Let the Battle Commence!

[/booming God-like voice]

Jagada, you can enter Sarcanza now - the siege of Pir-Sar has begun.

(This is IH, cant log in as myself at the mo, so used my puppet quickly!)
hehe thanks for the vote of confidence Steve :P (Stevid shall now be known as Steve by me, despite his name not actually being Steve but because Im too lazy to type Stevid in OOC posts) [/end stupidly long explanation]

I still use mostly modern fighters because I usually RP my nation at about 2008 and also because I'm not too sure what to buy from where and im certainly not talented enough to design my own.

And yeah, im outnumbered but I suspect I have an edge with the range of the missiles? Encounters with Mac's aircraft led to longer ranged missiles being rushed from prototype stage into production and mass distribution and this is the first combat test :) so probably some will burn out short damn! doh!

But bring it on!!

When I get my post up, where do you want me to say that your aircrafts launched their missiles (how far from my aircrafts)?

Im apparently highly under-estimated.

Missile-wise and Airplane-wise im easily out numbered in theatre... Technology wise I wouldnt say so much, considering my SA-33 is still being used on both sides of this war (Mac, Safehaven, Sarcanza) Ive got some missile experience. Though my aerospace industry is relatively small my airforce has remained a very elite if somewhat under staffed force, hence why the loss of 5 bomber crews was a major enough blow to warrant firebombing Safehavens nearest city.

The F-33 was designed to take down most NS fighters At medium to close range, the 'E' variant has upgraded radar for Air-to-Air missions even though it does sacrifice some of its air to ground capability. They also carry my newest BVRAAM the Shadow II which in so far as IC writing is concerned is still a Top Secret project and is not one that has been ever offered for sale.

When I get my post up, where do you want me to say that your aircrafts launched their missiles (how far from my aircrafts)?

They would launch at maximum range of just a shade under 500km.

I reckon as the missiles are rather new about 5% of them probably won't even reach the targets so that means of the total launched meaning around 2230 will come into range of your defence missile thingys and what ever else you use :)

I'm afraid I hav'n't got the missile stats up on my reference thread quite yet, but the guidance is coming from the AWAC's for the majority of the run then a terminal radar in the nose activates for the last 20km or so when told to do so from the AWAC's.
Flight Profile is a ballistic arc similar to the Pheonix Missile of RL fame so the missiles come in with no exhaust smoke to alert defenders who lack radar.
Warhead is a simple 20lb job

Oh and once the fighters launch the long range missiles they are will turn about and head back to their bases pretty sharpish for reloads of them except the -22's which will loiter with the AWAC's as guards because they carry four medium range missiles.

Not sure on the RL turnaround time for a fighter, but I plan to strap new missiles and refuel them then get them back up to try and hit the force again on the way back...do tell me if thats not feasibly possible!

When I get my post up, where do you want me to say that your aircrafts launched their missiles (how far from my aircrafts)?

They would launch at maximum range of just a shade under 500km.

I reckon as the missiles are rather new about 5% of them probably won't even reach the targets so that means of the total launched meaning around 2230 will come into range of your defence missile thingys and what ever else you use :)

I'm afraid I hav'n't got the missile stats up on my reference thread quite yet, but the guidance is coming from the AWAC's for the majority of the run then a terminal radar in the nose activates for the last 20km or so when told to do so from the AWAC's.
Flight Profile is a ballistic arc similar to the Pheonix Missile of RL fame so the missiles come in with no exhaust smoke to alert defenders who lack radar.
Warhead is a simple 20lb job

Oh and once the fighters launch the long range missiles they are will turn about and head back to their bases pretty sharpish for reloads of them except the -22's which will loiter with the AWAC's as guards because they carry four medium range missiles.

Not sure on the RL turnaround time for a fighter, but I plan to strap new missiles and refuel them then get them back up to try and hit the force again on the way back...do tell me if thats not feasibly possible!

I still use mostly modern fighters because I usually RP my nation at about 2008 and also because I'm not too sure what to buy from where and im certainly not talented enough to design my own.
[OOC: Well, there's always CSJMI, and CSJ keeps a good bunch of realistic designs within the MT range (read: present day to 2020)....]

Mekugi, are you attacking the road or infrastruture on the war to San Menedez and the frontal vehicles of XXX Corps?

Since the stuff for my firebase hasn't arrived yet XXX Corps are hanging back in Safehaven until the equipment arrives (i should post it arriving because in Real-time it's late).

So assuming that I can assume that some vechiles of XXX Corps have been attacked as well as the roads in front of them? If so then it's gonna be one hell of a drive to that city.

Although i wouldn't mind a city fight RP Tanks Vs. Men, Tank Vs. Tank and Man Vs. Man. XXX Corps won the battle of Volta City and so are very experianced in city fighting (In short i love rping City-fights so much fun when I have WWII OP: Market Garden to inspire me!).

So is that correct? If so then the post will be up either today or tomorrow.

Actually the TSSM-4 has quite a range to it, considering its 250-300km from San Menendez it still has another 200-150km over-shoot available to it. So while yes the missiles are primarily decimating the infrastrutre around the city, unless XXX corps/materials are really deep inland they are most likely capable of recieving their fair share of the bombardment, they are of course a secondary target.

TSSM-4
http://z13.invisionfree.com/The_NS_Draftroom/index.php?showtopic=122&hl=

As a side note the missiles will be impacting about five or so minutes before the bombers arrive, this a distraction method but the missiles are not destined to strike the city itself they are working to cut the city off from any reinforcement. It will also make the continued evacuation of the city quite difficult.

ooo, that's one tasty dish. Firstly: How did you make the picture? Secondly: Which type of missile are you using again?

It's not urgently needed, i'll still RP the attack and damage but i will ammend it if there is anything special i shoul add. Otherwise it is a scary piece of equipment. I'll post up the new XXX Corps compostion when it's needed. It's pretty large now but until direct fighting comes around i'll leave it out.

Photoshop and a fair amount of free time. Ive got a colored version around here somewhere...

The missile launched is the 500kg ONC warhead in a Deep penetrating housing version. The 750kg ONC semi-penetrating was tempting, though to really disable the roadways the deep penetrating warhead is much more structurally destructive, hence its selection for this mission.

The missile itself carries its own countermeasures which makes them a fairly diificult target to intercept, besides the fact youd have to be fast enough to hit it in the first place. As far as anything special; Its fast and big carrying one metric ton of TNT.

Post Script: here it is...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v203/jay3135/Hardware/ASSMLc.png

I've really got to get photoshop, anyway if typed up a post (yet to post it though) and i've done the casualties bearing in mind that they are the primary target and would scatter as soon as missiles landed on the roads, but they've taken significant losses that i won't soon forget.

Also i posted shooting some out of there but not many for the reasons you stated but also a counter-attack via aircraft. I was reluctant to post casualties or AA fire from the ground because of a few reasons- 1: i know you have AA defences around your launchers but i don't know how good they are. 2: i'm not Mac own detection techniques and technolgy so i rped them attacking but i can accept losses before the raid, during and after- simply because i don't know a lot about your AA defence.

EDIT: I have a problem with losses so if you think they're too small or big just say and it'll be.

I'll get a post up for ya probably tomorrow (I work a full shift today) but for refference heres some of the Systems on site.

Primus Medium Air Defense System:
http://z13.invisionfree.com/The_NS_Draftroom/index.php?showtopic=551&hl=

Guigna Multi-role Vehicle (ADV Variant):
http://z13.invisionfree.com/The_NS_Draftroom/index.php?showtopic=1739&hl=

MACLV (Vertical Launch SRAD/Deacon Launcher):
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v203/jay3135/compjeep.png

Pandora Light Interceptor (Just realized I never posted stats for this...)
http://z13.invisionfree.com/The_NS_Draftroom/index.php?showtopic=1913&hl=

Foxdart & Firedart Missiles (ONDI):
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10075087&postcount=1310

Primary AAA is a 82mm HV dual mount cannon based off the back of a M6 CTEL with M6 vheicles also being some of the Primary Radar carrying vehicles.

Before I get up a post, IH I just wanted to make sure, the fighters that you sent into the theater, they are engaging Mekugi's fighters and bombers only at this point, yes? Just wanted to make sure, since if there are some patrolling the skies I will have to employ a different strategy against them vs if they aren't.

(IH again, bloody log in problems)

My idea was to attack the wave of aircraft coming in from the East, im pretty sure that they are Mekugi ones as they are coming in at the same time as yours?

I believe I am attacking the Mekugi aircraft, however i may have misread the posts and/or thought when i was writing mine up that one of you was the other by confusing them *gulp* if that sounds wrong.

I'll get a post up for ya probably tomorrow (I work a full shift today) but for refference heres some of the Systems on site.

Primus Medium Air Defense System:
http://z13.invisionfree.com/The_NS_Draftroom/index.php?showtopic=551&hl=

Guigna Multi-role Vehicle (ADV Variant):
http://z13.invisionfree.com/The_NS_Draftroom/index.php?showtopic=1739&hl=

MACLV (Vertical Launch SRAD/Deacon Launcher):
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v203/jay3135/compjeep.png

Pandora Light Interceptor (Just realized I never posted stats for this...)
http://z13.invisionfree.com/The_NS_Draftroom/index.php?showtopic=1913&hl=

Foxdart & Firedart Missiles (ONDI):
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10075087&postcount=1310

Primary AAA is a 82mm HV dual mount cannon based off the back of a M6 CTEL with M6 vheicles also being some of the Primary Radar carrying vehicles.

Useful info, cheers mate. There's no rush to post- if we can all wait two months then i'm sure we'll manage a day.

(IH again, bloody log in problems)

My idea was to attack the wave of aircraft coming in from the East, im pretty sure that they are Mekugi ones as they are coming in at the same time as yours?

I believe I am attacking the Mekugi aircraft, however i may have misread the posts and/or thought when i was writing mine up that one of you was the other by confusing them *gulp* if that sounds wrong.

Oh okay, your fine then. Then I'll go ahead with the bombing of the city (since at the time of the bombing, there isn't any enemy aircrafts above the city).

I completely forgot about this guy too...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v203/jay3135/Tanks/Icarus.png

Based off my Lynx IIC Light Air Droppable Tank chassis it carries 4x 25mm guns with programable air burst fusing by means of Inductive Couple at the muzzle. Shes not very accuracte but with four guns in the 2100 RPM range she can put up a heck of alot of flack in short bursts.

Losses will be posted after Mac posts his response to such a large Incursion of his airspace, and well see how many planes actually make it within range.

i rped the attack, but your right because i just don't know the effectiveness of his AA systems along the boarder. But any hoo, it's all in good fun.

EDIT: I'm not going have many fighters left at the end of this am I?

Aye, I just dont know how its all goign to work out till Mac posts his response.

Edit: well you did just cross 200km of Heavily defended Airspace to hit a very heavily defended fire base. So No thats kind of the point though...

Dammit we need SH2 to begin posting his AA defences at the border as well as his aircraft. Does anybody know where he is?

EDIT: Oh yeah, post up in a second on the main thread!

[OOC: Mek, do you have MSN?]

I'll put up a post dealing with AA soon!

Depending on how many planes i lose will determine wether i abort the 2nd and 3rd waves. 1st are already there and ready to be shot to pieces (which i'll rp when Mac does his post). But i'd rather not assume stuff...last time i did that i got a real rolocking off Guff.

Dammit we need SH2 to begin posting his AA defences at the border as well as his aircraft. Does anybody know where he is?

EDIT: Oh yeah, post up in a second on the main thread!'

I need him to post so I can get back to my ground war with him. Either that or I am going to get antsy and invade someone...

I TGd him about four hours ago. We'll see what he says.

[OOC: Mek, do you have MSN?]I do but I do not feel comfortable giving it out.

Alright, I need to talk to Hailandkill, but I can't get on AIM or MSN when he's on. So hopefully, he'll see this message. I'm going to make one gigantic post that describes the conclusions to both Mosnoi Bor and Aurillac, and I have talked it out with him. I'm going to prepare it for September 2017, which is when everyone starts to deploy to the Ishme-Dagan salient. So, I need to talk with HailandKill about Aurillac. SafeHaven2 basically agrees with me about what has happened as Mosnoi Bor, although he says that the exploitation of the breakthrough should take much more time - I'll agree with him; in the end, it only makes it funner to describe. However, the happenings at Aurillac are much less clear. And so, the discussion begins.

The destruction of Aurillac basically cut off Hailandkill's army from his supply lines, and although these were partially rebuilt almost immediately it's true that a Havenic ground offensive would have begun almost immediately, meaning the Killian army has a good chance of being pummeled. Now, in the end, it's agreed that the Killian army wins the battle by default - given the happenings at Mosnoi Bor. However, it's true enough that the Killian army should have been severely bloodied, loosing perhaps up to 60% of its original strength. What was the original strength? And what do you think Hailandkill? I know where Haven is coming from so I think I can argue for him. He not only destroyed your logistics, but he has almost full air superiority, or at least full tactical air superiority, and with his reinforcements to the area he probably outnumbers you as well. So?

The long post will be up a few days after we get this all cleared up.

sorry, i can't post today- i've been out all day and saw Sunderland Vs. Derby County as well. So any post i make now will be pretty crap cuz i'm shattered and can't concentrate well.

Should have one by tomorrow though.

I'm not involved in that, so I wont stick in what I think. Just realised I have a few questions about the ground war that I hadn't really thought about til Istarted writing up my post about ground units earlier this morning. All this stuff will of course be treated OOC but with a fair degree reflecting information that my units would have learnt from both intel and Havenite breifings.

1. Is the front continuous? As in are there units pretty much next to each other from the border with Zarbia to the coast?

1a. If it is will many parts be fortified with border emplacements, or is it likely to be just scratch built trenches etc? The troops would be mechanized with a fair few tanks but not the large concentrations that are encountered elsewhere? Im thinking particularly close to the coastal areas.


2. If the units are spread out, will they be garrisoning within villages/towns or would they be out in the countryside but watching roads?

3. Are units supplied mostly via road all the way from the factories/industy where the equipment is made, or are railways utilised as in China. I only ask because IH Deep Strike Doctrine means transportation routes hundreds of miles to your rear will be heavily targetted.

Its more of a doctrine question and Ill treat it all OOCly, just I need to know roughly because obviously my commanders on the ground would know and they would have rough ideas or how to proceed from there based upon what they are expecting which may or may not turn out to be correct.

I'm also assuming that Golden Throne and allied forces Morale will be high judging by the recent successes, especially after Mosnoi Bor, but quite wary after Aurilliac? With Stevidian and Hitmen forces quite high but obviously extremely wary of the large Macabean groundwarmachine they are soon to engage fully with.

Think that covers most of my questions! If anyone has questions about my units formations etc fire away here or by TG!

As you said Mac, it is muddled. The posting left off right after Aurillac got leveled, which means the history is kind of open, BUT other campaigns were started, including your attempt to re-open supply lines. With that attempt, whatever supplies had survivied Haven's bombing could of been ferried to my soldiers on the field. Also, SU started his air-war with Haven to help me with my fledgling air superiority troubles. I had also talked to him about a massive airborne re-supply operation OOC'ly, but posting had slowed/ended in the Aurillac campaign so we really never worked it out. I think that SU could of taken the skies in three weeks, about the same time that my supplies would be at their lowest. You can do alot with proper rationing.

On the note of a massive Haven counter-attack: You said that he would of launched it right after the bombing/leveling of Aurillac. If he did, most of my troops still wouldn't of known about the supplies in Aurillac being quashed, meaning they would NOT be fighting to conserve ammo, but rather to inflict as many casualties as possible. Add to that the fact that I have troop superiority in terms of numbers, he would be rushing into mobs of my men all fighting hard. As well as the fact he would be counter-attacking at two places I have somewhat of a defensive advantage in.

We need to talk about this Jon. No one likes losing, but I am here for the story line not the win-loss record. I don't want this post to seem like I am bitching about losing or anything else. This is my side of the story is all.

As for being on MSN. Tonight, I could be logging on from anywhere from 12:00-12:30 PM EST, and have the rest of the night (or morning) to talk about this. I think this time would work for you considering my late hours are you evening hours.

Please don't make any decisions about how it goes until we talk. That's all I ask.

Yeah, I was going to launch a major air offensive in Aurallic and planned to supply HK through the air. But SH2 isn't posting and the break came so yeah.... that went towards the burner. :( But yeah, if SH2 can start posting again, I'll start doing that.

And by the way, I'll get my post up today guys... sorry for the delay. Been working with my dad around the house.

I do but I do not feel comfortable giving it out.
Then telegram it to me then, please, and I shall return the favor.

1. Is the front continuous? As in are there units pretty much next to each other from the border with Zarbia to the coast?

Yes, but the method of war is pretty much emulating Blitzkrieg, or Operational Art. In other words, the major battles concentrate on major targets, and so even if the front is continuous a lot of the units holding the front will not necessarilly be in battle, and those sections that are not involved in battles will possibly be half strenght units, et cetera - for example, the ghost front prior to the Ardennes offensive.

1a. If it is will many parts be fortified with border emplacements, or is it likely to be just scratch built trenches etc?

The units are most likely dug in ad hoc. This is a mobile war and I'm pretty sure that the Havenic army expected to break through Auillac easily, meaning there's no reason to build strong fortifications if they are going to be moving north anyways.

The troops would be mechanized with a fair few tanks but not the large concentrations that are encountered elsewhere? Im thinking particularly close to the coastal areas.

Sounds accurate enough, although the area around Targul Frumos is heavily fortified and has at least six infantry divisions defending in - Targul Frumos was under naval blockade, and a landing behind the River Styx was feared.


2. If the units are spread out, will they be garrisoning within villages/towns or would they be out in the countryside but watching roads?

They would be garrisoning strategic towns that act as road hubs, et cetera.

3. Are units supplied mostly via road all the way from the factories/industy where the equipment is made, or are railways utilised as in China. I only ask because IH Deep Strike Doctrine means transportation routes hundreds of miles to your rear will be heavily targetted.

Railroad, high velocity railroad, trucks, ships, aircraft, et cetera.

I'm also assuming that Golden Throne and allied forces Morale will be high judging by the recent successes, especially after Mosnoi Bor, but quite wary after Aurilliac?

High morale and with a bloodlust.


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Now, Hailandkill:


Also, SU started his air-war with Haven to help me with my fledgling air superiority troubles. I had also talked to him about a massive airborne re-supply operation OOC'ly, but posting had slowed/ended in the Aurillac campaign so we really never worked it out. I think that SU could of taken the skies in three weeks, about the same time that my supplies would be at their lowest


Which is about the time he needs to retreat anyways, so that goes hand in hand with the storyline - good. Safehaven would probably lose quite a bit of men as he tries to disengage and you press on him hard.


On the note of a massive Haven counter-attack: You said that he would of launched it right after the bombing/leveling of Aurillac. If he did, most of my troops still wouldn't of known about the supplies in Aurillac being quashed, meaning they would NOT be fighting to conserve ammo, but rather to inflict as many casualties as possible.


Well, you would assume that your men have proper radio communications with the rear, or else your casualties are only going to be worse once his first waves have done their job and his second echelon troops move in.


We need to talk about this Jon. No one likes losing, but I am here for the story line not the win-loss record. I don't want this post to seem like I am bitching about losing or anything else. This is my side of the story is all.


Well, you would be winning!


As for being on MSN. Tonight, I could be logging on from anywhere from 12:00-12:30 PM EST, and have the rest of the night (or morning) to talk about this. I think this time would work for you considering my late hours are you evening hours.


Gah, that's 6pm my time - I'll be at the beach probably. On Monday I'll be on beginning 1:15pm, or 7:15 your time, until 3 or 4pm.

Gah, I am confused. Didn't you say earlier he was making a breakthrough at Aurillac?

I can be on MSN today at anytime you need me to, so if you could today, that'd be great.

Are you on right now?