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Now i'm lost... where is Auillac? Either i was on holiday and missed or i was being stupid and ignored that part of the thread.

I will be on at 8:30-8:45 EST.

I'm on right now. :( I might be going to the beach. But, I think it's 8:30 right now.

Hailandkill, I think we're going to have to talk it out here.


Didn't you say earlier he was making a breakthrough at Aurillac?


No, I said that he would technically be able to wipe out large amounts of your men, at least closest to the front, do to a temporary lack of ammunition and lapse in the supply lines that lead to the front. He would have around three to four days to conduct an offensive to breakthrough at Aurillac, before he was threatened by my breakthrough at Mosnoi Bor. Of course, he fails in this time - both sides lose many, many casualties in the defense and the attack, and then he is forced to disengage and fall back.

Sorry i haven't posted my losses from Mac's AA fire. I've been extremly busy but should have one up soon.

We're boned!

However, one shouldn't underestimate MT aircraft- not F-22's/16's or 15's- SEA told me that, if RPed well, a B1 Lancer can get through most national defences and let off a bombload of ordinance.

IH can RP very well- those aircraft will be a handfull.
[OOC: Actually, it was Clan Smoke Jaguar that told me about that. He commented how said it was that most people on NS underestimate the B-1 Lancer and the fact they tended to ignore air defenses against high-speed, low-altitude strategic bombers....it is a bloody nightmare to detect something stealthy, going at low altitude, and going fast towards your target, let alone trying to shoot it down. And especially when you role-play it out well. ;)

Don't believe me about what CSJ said? Need proof? Click here (http://z13.invisionfree.com/The_NS_Draftroom/index.php?showtopic=1546). Hence why the F-36 Kunai was designed (as a result of an older conflict involving Omz222, but the primary participants were Pacitalia and an NSer called Hiroshiko or something along those lines, and why I pointed it to Stevid, as I figured that he would need something to counter those 133s....]

I just wanted to say, primo post there Stevid, very well done.

OOC: Yes very nice post. I'll get a reply up tomorrow (too much Geometry homework!!!!!!!!!!) after school. Though I'm surprised the XXX Corps has already made it to the city. I'm conducting the bombing raid one day after Mekugi's (well 1 1/2, as I the bomber force took off in the morning and arrived later in the afternoon). So I thought the Corps would still have 2 days left. But meh, whatever. I'll go with that. :)

Oh i merely play my part.

Acutally XXX Corps was a day away but Mekugi's rocket artillery slowed them right up for nearly two days. And since he destroyed the firebase it slowed them up even more. But now they're near with decent aircover.

Mac, you may have made the closing post, but I still need to talk to you about some things. I haven't been around because I had to re-format my computer, but everything is back to normal so I be on a regular schedule again.

Let's please work on something.

I haven't even made the post dealing with Aurillac yet. There will be four or five posts dealing with the conclusions to the south. Then we can start with our RP to fill up time that deals with the Weigari front.

Damn, I was hoping to get in on this when my naval build-up completed. Btw Mac, I let New Empire know that his nation died and I'll let you know what he said, so he might or might not be revive his nation.

I haven't even made the post dealing with Aurillac yet. There will be four or five posts dealing with the conclusions to the south. Then we can start with our RP to fill up time that deals with the Weigari front.

*Me puts foot in mouth*

Ok then, sorry for the misunderstanding. I have to about 12/12:30 EST tonight if your availible.

Closing post? Has something important finished- Space UNion still wants to raize San Menedez to the ground.

Stevid, I'm just concluding everything until September, 2016, when we can start our deployment RPs until Safehaven2 can post. So, there's a series of posts that will give an overview of what happened and how it ended. Mosnoi Bor (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11678018&postcount=294) is finished; I have one to do for Aurillac, Targul Frumos and finally the general information on the Ishme-Dagan salient, so that everyone is on the same page.

Hailandkill, I think we're just going to have to talk it out here.

Closing post? Has something important finished- Space UNion still wants to raize San Menedez to the ground.

I think the city has been raized, considering it was hit by 16,000 cruise missiles full of 1,000 kg of explosives each, or basically 16,000 tonnes of explosives from the cruise missile strike alone. ;) As for a post, I'll get one up soon as I'm working on it right now. Hopefully I'll get it done by the end of the day (it won't be too long since I'll just be posting my losses and the bomber's doing and blah blah).

Feck,
Anyway am I too late to resume or no. I apologize for the tardiness I simply was lacking motivation, no good excuse.

I will wait to post for a response from the Primary parties.

And in speaking of being in absentia, I'd like to state something as well.

Praetonia, according to my recent MSN talks with him, is struggling with RL issues (i.e. homework from school) and some gripes with the II forum as well (thanks to the whole Questerian Commonwealth entering West Corinthia trouble and the fallen-apart SL-GASN war, which luckily ended up getting saved and is now a SL-CAD conflict), so you guys may wish to be a little patient with him.

And I'm semi-interested in joining....

Skibreen-- Its fine, go ahead and make a post about our fleets meeting, but don't post your initial attack, allow me the chance to position mine how I want first.

SEA-- Um, Macabees shouldn't care, since hes let a lot of outside countries get involved.

Macabees -- If New Empire is not going to come back and roleplay for his country. Do you mind if I send in some forces to occupy his nation so I can basically use it to feed my War Machine. Much like you were eventually planning to do to Guffingford, to ensure Stevid and others didn't acquire it. His country would also be an excellent staging point for my future operations against HailandKill, Skibreen, and Spizania.

Also! Add this: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=500208

As a Passion Play related thread. Its the Killian-Jagite Front.

Southeast Asia, if you're interested by all means join. As you've seen, we have no gripes with anybody wanting to join as long as they are good roleplayers, and you're a good roleplayer, so you pass the test. :)

Jagada, I need to talk to New Empire. If he decides not to return to NationStates, you can occupy his country which would have technically devolved into Civil War or something along those lines.

Southeast Asia, if you're interested by all means join. As you've seen, we have no gripes with anybody wanting to join as long as they are good roleplayers, and you're a good roleplayer, so you pass the test. :)
Roger that. If I do decide to join, I'll likely be supporting the Northern Alliance, no offense intended to Clan Smoke Jaguar, Stevid and Independent Hitmen.

SEA, we will kick your arse :) or not.....I don't know. hehehe.

Quick update on me, I have a post going up soon about my ground units starting to go into combat (quite limited for the reason I will explain a little later) as well as some general information about where all my stuff is as relayed at a Presidential briefing, Army formations and Naval Fleet Groups that kind of thing.

On an OOC matter, I start at uni on the 24th and as such I'm leaping completely into the unknown with regards internet access etc. Whilst I'm hoping and pretty much expecting (I'm going to University College London so internet cafe's if not provided) to have unrestricted internet access I cant be 100% sure Ill be posting regularly. If I can't then I will review my participation in the RP, but hopefully it wont come to that. Just a heads up anyway :)

Combat is more or less at a lull during September. Both sides are simply building up. The idea is that the loss at Mosnoi Bor forces Safehaven2 to redeploy his army into the Ishme-Dagan salient, one of the largest excursions into Ruska that have not been pushed back. The entire battle is like the battle for Kursk, as Northern Pact units attempt to pinch off the salient and destroy the Haven Pact personnel inside - whether we will pinch it off or not is totally up to the roleplaying for decision, but that's the general idea. So, until a while [a long while] you have to post about deployments and such, but I'd really like to get my conclusion posts finished. I'm hoping that I can get that done by this weekend.

Ok, ill hold off any improve/modify the post to allow you to get it in a continuous set.

Haven Pact members we need to have a council of war to discuss deployments etc. Plus I havn't spoken to Stevid for a while, any times your free for MSN mate? I know schools a bitch! Also like to talk with Jagada and SH2 (if hes around) so we can sort out our grand strategy :)

Without looking into this alot, how long has this been going on for? It seems pretty impressive :P.

I won't be joining as i'd have to go on stevids side but i need those tanks etc Mac produces lol.

Seems good though, might have to start watching and reading because i think the RPers here all great!

Mac started the actual Passion Play thread on the 20th of August 2005.

Quite a while ago. I hadnt realised it was that long ago either! Crikey!!

Ok, so whenever we are ready to go, I am ready. I have had a lull in schoolwork and a bored feeling with CS:S, so I kind of want to get back on my RP horse.

Skibreen-- Its fine, go ahead and make a post about our fleets meeting, but don't post your initial attack, allow me the chance to position mine how I want first.
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Ok, I have to re-read what I have already posted to figure out where is what--I am to assume we will be positioning as it lays.

What I might do Jagada to be up to complete speed is take for granted a few things.

Since i assume you have already landed I cant now retro-attack your fleet so I will post it so it isnt all screwed up....

Ok read it, looks fairly cut and dry not much has changed.

Mac, I talked to NE and he said he'd revive his nation sometime later this week. Presently his English teacher is in an evil mood and he's loaded down with homework.

I don't understand why 'homework' is so important in America :s I do maybe on average half a piece of homework a day...

I'm not American, Hog....

I don't understand why 'homework' is so important in America :s I do maybe on average half a piece of homework a day...

Yeah, but you're in high school. He's in college. Big difference there, buddy.

"With this wave of success we have created with the bombing of San Mendenez, perhaps we should use it to our advantage? As you all know, the XXX Corps from Stevid has arrived in the city with nothing to defend. Thanks to our Mekugian allies, there advance had been delayed long enough for us to bomb them the city and leave, before they ever got within range of firing anything at them. I think our next step should be to get rid of this nuisance. Wipe out the XXX Corps. Imagine the psychological blow to Stevid, even bigger than the complete annihilation of San Mendenez. This Corps is famed throughout the nation, according to our intelligence reports. We have the power to wipe them out and send a devasting shockwave through Stevid.
Out of curiousity, will there be another Space-Unionist air raid like this against Stevidian forces on the ground? (Well, primarily ground, at least.)

Cos' thanks to a recent CSJMI contract to Stevid, which could be described as 'near-coincidental', I seriously doubt that the SUAF will be as successful the next time round....

I don't plan to do any air raids since Mac wants to keep most of the major targets around for Ishme-Dagon so I have nothing worthwhile to bomb (Mek already has taken the worthwhile target left :p ). And as for his new toys, I have some weapons and tactics to take care of them. ;)

Cos' thanks to a recent CSJMI contract to Stevid, which could be described as 'near-coincidental', I seriously doubt that the SUAF will be as successful the next time round....

Are you CSJ's stalker? :P

Besides I doubt any of those fighters would be ready or even built in time for the next raid, and even the next, and even if they're ready by the third time I bet the Stevidian aircrews would be slaughtered cause they lack the training, maybe they can stand a chance after 5 to 6 raids. :P

Stevid was alteast capable of saving some of his forces after his failed attempt at a bombing run. As for taking the last worthwhile target? yeah IH's airfields are apparently to far away and what can I say.. I have a command APC fetish... ;) just kidding, mostly cause I have no SH2 positions to attack since um... SH2 isnt active.

Are you CSJ's stalker? :P

Besides I doubt any of those fighters would be ready or even built in time for the next raid, and even the next, and even if they're ready by the third time I bet the Stevidian aircrews would be slaughtered cause they lack the training, maybe they can stand a chance after 5 to 6 raids. :P
But alas TSS, we just have to wait and see, don't we?

The way I view the SRAF (Stevidian Royal Air Force), is identical to the pre-Juumanistran conflict Questerian air force - competent, but underfunded and as a result of as such, not as up-to-date as the Mekugian Air Force or the Space-Unionist Air Force...and not as numerous as the Questerian Air Force. The reason why Questeria in spite of the Juumanistran Air Force's superior skill and technology, was through sheer numbers when it came to the skies.

However, with increased dealings with CSJMI and also leaps in experience for the SRAF, this may not neccessarily be the case.

But alas, like I said earlier on, we just have to wait and see....

Ok, I have to re-read what I have already posted to figure out where is what--I am to assume we will be positioning as it lays.

What I might do Jagada to be up to complete speed is take for granted a few things.

Since i assume you have already landed I cant now retro-attack your fleet so I will post it so it isnt all screwed up....

Ok read it, looks fairly cut and dry not much has changed.

Understood. A note to HailandKill, after reading his post I was not aware that Skibreen's Fleet are this large. For realism's sake and so that he doesn't have to edit once more--I'm going to assume our naval battle occurs after this one--when my fleet is returning home.

Understood. A note to HailandKill, after reading his post I was not aware that Skibreen's Fleet are this large. For realism's sake and so that he doesn't have to edit once more--I'm going to assume our naval battle occurs after this one--when my fleet is returning home.

That's fine with me, BUT, what if you take serious losses? If you do well against him then there isn't a problem, you just go up against me down a few ships. However, if you take massive losses, that is definatly going to change how our battle is fought..

We should probably work this out before me and you start slugging it out.

EDIT: Skibereen, are you invading him after your naval battle or is something else going on? Can someone give me a rundown on whats going on between you two?

I'll join the Northern Alliance. Since I'm an island nation I should provide counterweight against enemy navies, particularly if Risban is on the other side (the first post needs to be updated, it dosen't show everyone's side).

Three previous RPs:

The End is Near (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=453606&highlight=athiesism):



COMMANDER JAKE MCNEIL STEPPED out of the processing center. The first thing that hit him was that

something was off. Walking to the Maglev, he wondered what the Mainframe had been trying to tell him. He felt

nothing, a strange feeling of emptiness. It was bizzare, but the Mainframe had, seemingly, not had anything to say.

Stepping onto the Maglev, he walked over to his usual place and sat down. People continued to pile in, no

tickets needed when using Merkari public transportation. There was nothing important to think about, he thought, as

he waited for the train to start its trip. The business at Jurmenti had been taken care of, and he believed that the

Project would continue smoothly. But in the back of his mind, there was the biting thought of why he did not feel

anything after leaving the processing center.

The Maglev did not take long to fill up as those who had just completed their commune with the Mainframe

climbed onboard. A hiss could be heard as the rickety old doors slided shut. A digital voice could be heard

announcing the next stop, and off went the speeding train.

Onboard, McNeil noticed the television set come on in a corner. Looking up at it, it was the morning news.

Some short notices about daily events, the kind of things that always bored Jake. Before loosing interest, though,

he noticed the familiar face of William Strong, Mainframe minister.

Shit, he thought to himself as he listened to Strong's monotone explanation of the failure at

Jurmenti. He felt his heart beat faster, but kept control of himself. Now the whole damn world knows.

But there was something more to it. First had come the reports of the Mainframe's dubious failure to predict

the freighter incident. McNeil had ignored it as a sheer coincidence, as the Government would surely detect any such

plot. But now it had failed, and failed dearly.

The world failed seem to strike a note in Jake's mind. Yes, perhaps it was an answer to his question.

Why else would the Mainframe suddenly silence itself? This had never happened before. Yes, this was an exceptional

time, but there was no explanation for the Mainframe's lack of reply.

Suddenly, he remembered back to just a few minutes ago. What had he felt after his commune? Emptiness

. A way for the machine to admit failure. Infalibility was no longer an excuse. The Mainframe had even admitted

so, and because it knew that, it would speak no more.

* * * * *

Headquarters, Republic City Military District

Commander-General Jake McNeil walked towards his office in full uniform. A few low-ranking military men

passed him in the hallway, but did not salute. Merkaris simply do not do that. As he rounded the corner, he noticed

Krendakov standing in another hallway, looking the other direction and apparently lost.

"Comrade!"

Krendakov snapped his head around, a nervous expression on his face. "Jake! It's important!" The Admiral

began walking away quickly. After a second, McNeil realized that his friend probably meant for him to follow, and

did so.

The Admiral led them to his office, where Colonel Abdullah was already waiting.
In his early forties, Colonel Abdullah was one of the few Merkari theists, at least in name. A non-praticing

Muslim, his family had immigrated from the Middle East decades ago. Now he led the elite Blue Force commandoes.

Krendakov quickly took a seat, and ran his hand through his air, acting as if he was under great pressure.

When he noticed that the other two in the room were staring at him, he looked up, gestured for them to take a seat,

and then went back to stroking his hair.

"It's the Mainframe, isn't it?"

"Yes, Jake. Abdullah is the only person around here that's worth shit around here. Besides you, of course...

and me." The classic arrogance of "The Admiral". "It's stopped responding and powered itself down."

Jake thought of suggesting that the Mainframe was admitting its own failure, but stopped himself. It was

hard to speak about it, for some reason. He felt as if admitting that it had failed was taboo. Merkaris were open

about all things, but for some reason he felt pressured not to speak. Why?

"Let's hope it dosen't get worse. I'm sure that it'll get back online soon." The air was thick with tension

as Abdullah spoke, as if they were treating a hospital patient whose life was on the line.

"No... No, the Mainframe... it..." Krendakov leaned his head forward and clasped his face in his hands,

rubbing his forhead. "It..." His voice was sounded muffled. Pulling his head back and withdrawing his hands, he

sighed heavily. "It has died."

"WHAT?!" Abdullah leapt out of his chair, leaning foward over Krendakov's desk. "WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG

WITH-" Realizing that he had gone too far, he sat himself back down slowly, his face turning red but bearing an

embarrased expression as he looked at Jake.

"He's right." Jake's nervous voice had become raspy and his words were almost inaudible. Clearing his

throat, he noticed Krendakov focusing his eyes into him with an intense stare. More clearly this time, he built up

the courage to continue. "The mainframe has failed. We have to tell the nation."

Abdullah did not know what to do. Clasping his sweating palms together he looked down and mumbled something.

A prayer?

Krendakov had recomposed himself. "I'm moving to the government offices. I'll find someone there to talk

with."

"Do you want us to stay here?" asked Jake.

"Yes, you and Abdullah have to remain. I'll go warn the nation." Krendakov's ego was perhaps the first thing

you learned when you met him in person, beyond the image he made for himself on television screens and press

releases. "Go ahead, Vasily. We'll stay." By the time Jake had finished his sentence the Admiral was already halfway

out the door, but he stopped for a moment to speak. "Don't... well, whatever, just stay here."

Krendakov was just about to turn his head away from the room when his eyes grew fixated on something in the

distance. Abdullah and McNeil both turned to see what it was. The view from the tenth-story window the three men

looked out on a long street, and onto a violent orgy of fire, destruction and riot.

"Jake, come with me!"

Republic City

There was no time to wait for them to get out of the way. McNeil's hovertank cut through the unruly crowds,

sometimes literally. Jake preferred not to watch as he sat in the commander's cramped workspace and let the driver

handle it. Most of the troops were on leave, meaning that it was not hard to commandeer a vehicle from the motor

pool.
Abdullah was supposed to stay put, but Jake was certain that the ambitious commander had moved out anyway. No

matter; he would have trouble moving through the riot in his car. Krendakov and McNeil had both been able to

requistion a tank from the city garrison, and were headed on separate routes toward the government offices.
The driver was moving agressively, but a little too fast to maintain control of the vehicle. Jake didn't notice

until a violent noise aroused him from his thoughts and slammed the vehicle to a halt. His tanker's helmet smacked

into the padded cushion in front of his head, put there for just such a congtingency.
"Sir, we hit a wall!" It was the driver.
"Can you pull us free?"
A whirring noise came from the engines, but the tank did not move at all.
"Reverse engines damaged, sir. We'll have to dismount."
McNeil had too much on his mind to reply. Grabbing his assault rifle, he patted the gunner on his shoulder and

climbed out of the hatch. The driver didn't need an order to know what to do, and left the tank also. "Permission to

speak freely, sir." Jake looked at the driver's nametag. "Denied, Kohls. We're not that far, don't worry. Just two

blocks over." At least that's what I think, he thought. The streets of the Merkari capitol were notoriously

confusing.
Weapons held tight, the three soldiers walked around the building they had collided with through a narrow alleyway.

Looking down the streets both ways, McNeil noticed they were empty and sprinted across.
It is difficult to hit a man who got up and dashed ten feet, but a lucky bullet caught Jake's leg. He fell over,

feeling what seemed like a rising tower of flame come from just below his knee. Cringing, he fingered the wound but

withdrew his hand when he felt it sting.
Opening his eyes wide, he looked behind him. The two men he was travelling with stood with their arms raised, rifles

at their feet. A band of common-looking Merkaris ran out of a building and to Jake, whose wound caught their

attention.
There were four of them, one guarding the prisoners and the rest standing around the captured general, who laid down

his weapon for fear of provoking them. Jake could tell that they were speaking a native dialect, but he had never

bothered to learn any of them. His was the first generation that had grown up knowing nothing but English, and none

of the indigenous tongues. The only word that could be made out was "infidel". The Krashnyys.
"Why you come here?"
Still writhing in pain, it took a few seconds for the general to talk. "I... the mainframe..."
"YOU FALSE GOD! YOU COME TO KILL WE!" For once, McNeil beleived what a Krashnyy had told him. A false god indeed.
"No! NO!... The Mainframe's dead. It's wrong. It died today." Even among those who did not support it, such words

had a powerful effect.
"I need to tell them. I tell... ugh... I gotta tell everyone." The three men gathered around him eyed him with

hostile suspicion for a few awkward seconds. It was only during this silence that he noticed the sound of fighting

in the distance. The man who had been talking in broken english then gestured for his men to carry their prisoner.

Inside the tank, Jake had already bandaged up his wound and managed to get the radio operational. "Vasily, Vasily,

this is Jake. Come in." There was no time to work out any sort of codename system. He hoped that atleast the

national satellite system was still operational, or else his radio would be useless in this kind of city. "This is

Krendakov, we're doing great."
"Have you got to the offices yet?" The gunner accidentally banged the commander's knee as he manuevered through the

crowded tank, causing Jake to cringe in pain. "Sorry sir."
"Uh... Hold on, we'll be there any second. How is it at the offices?"
"We haven't got there yet, Vasily, " McNeil replied in an angry voice.
"Well, sorry for asking ." Jake knew that he shouldn't have used that tone, no matter how tired he was. The

admiral couldn't withstand even the slightest insult.
Sighing, he decided to try to power up the tank again. "We're stuck just a few blocks away. We ran into an obstacle

and we're immobilized." He wasn't going to wait for some snide remark about how foolish he was for driving into a

wall, and after the shortest of pauses
he continued, "Jake out."
"Driver, can you get the engine back up?"
"I think so, sir."
Mcneil turned his head to the Krashnyy who had shot and then rescued him. The man was sitting on top of the

hovertank, right outside the hatch. "Is there anyway I can contact your leader?" He was willing to negotiate with

the theists if it meant saving their lives from a rampage by those who believed in a now-dead computer. Regardless

of their bigotry and hatred, they were peaceful people that were willing to keep their lives separate from the

atheistic majority. "Where you live?" Jake thought about the question for a moment. He commanded the Second Armored

Division, headquartered about 500 miles to the west. A long distance, but his hovertank was fast enough to get him

there after he got to the government offices. If he could get it to work. Writing down the base's access code and

the security clearance to enter the communications net, he gave it to his aquaintance, wondering if it was some kind

of joke. Even if this guy was a Krashnyy, how would he know how to make contact with Arbtan, the Krashnyy leader?

Still, it was worth a try.
"You better move, we're pulling out of here." The man didn't seem to understand, but lept off once the tank started

hovering, rubble sliding off its front armor plate. Jake was elated- they were on the move again.

One block from government offices

The driver was being more careful this time. Suprisingly, the riots had not spread to this part of town. Maybe they

were just on their way.
Despite the risks, Jake was traveling with his head outside the hatch, keeping an eye out for any trouble. He had

tried powering up the commander's tactical display, but couldn't find out how it worked. Imagine, a commander of a

tank division that couldn't drive a tank.
The sky was covered with light smoke, the midday sun barely breaking through. But most of what he saw was still

gray- rubble, burnt vehicles, dead lumps of skin.
As the vehicle rounded a corner, the driver came to a halt. Ahead was what looked like an entire company of

hovertanks, moving slowly along a two-lane highway. When they saw Jake's vehicle, they halted. From one of the two

lead vehicles, a dark-skinned man poked his head out of a hatch. It was only a dozen yards away, and once his eyes

focused McNeil could see clearly that it was Colonel Abdullah.

"Colonel! Did you inform the offices?" Yelling was useless above the abomidable noise of the engines. But Abdullah

communicated without words, and his penetrating, hostile stare said everything.
Jake spoke into the vehicle intercom on his headset. "Driver... I don't like this. Get us out of here."
"Missile lock on us, sir!"
McNeil threw himself back into the turret, feeling as if his leg split in half when he slammed it on some piece of

equipment. He hissed in pain, unable to speak for a crucial moment. But a repeat order was not necessary, as the

driver pulled around a corner with terrifying speed. Everyone onboard as jolted to a side as the impact of a missile

could be heard just behind them. Jake felt his heart beat, and knew that these kind of adventures were not meant for

someone his age. The one thing he remembered about this tank was how to activate the cloaking device. As the

hovertank sped away down a long street, the Commander-General noticed that the computer had powered up by now after

his previous unsucessful attempts to understand how to work it. Accesing the cloaking device through what little

digital literacy he possesed, McNeil knew he was safe. "Driver, head for Second Armored Division headquarters."

"Sir!"

* * * * *

Colonel Abdullah had given up the search for the traitors. It was strange to think that two loyal soldiers,

Vasily Krendakov and Jake McNeil, would do something so foolish as to betray the mainframe. But it had happened,

apparently, and both had escaped the tight cordon Abdullah had thrown in and around Republic City. Fighting could

still be heard in the distance, but resistance had largely succumbed. He was sure that the rioters would return

during the night, but the entire Merkari Army was at his disposal. His priority now was to keep order in the

streets, and the international community appeased. Walking through the street, he slowly made his way past the

Mainframe. A beautiful piece of machinery, perhaps the most wonderful creation ever to exist. Yet now it lay

inactive, without life. But perhaps saying that would be innacurate. The Mainframe ceased to exist for a reason.

Abdullah knew with all his heart that it would return someday, sooner or later. He would do everything in his power

to ensure that. Whatever the case, the work that had gone into such a masterpiece was impossible to duplicate.

Still, there was but one thing he could be sure of. Faith. Faith would resurrect the Mainframe someday, someday

tomorrow or years from now, the guiding light of a new Atheism.

While he was thinking this, he could not help but notice that the sounds of fighting continued to grow

closer. To run away now would be cowardly, but he felt a strange sense of foreboding.

The sound of battle, this time very, very loud. Looking over his shoulder, Abdullah spotted one of his

infantrymen fire off a magazine before diving behind a dumpster for cover. Rounds pinged off the hard steel,

richocheting onto nearby walls. The Colonel, whose commando training had yet to wear off, took his assault rifle

from its backpack holder and ran toward where the shooting was taking place, just a block over. Noticing several of

his infantrymen lounging about at their checkpoint, he yelled and waved his hand. They moved to assist the man

cowering behind his bullet-riddled dumpster. Just before Abdullah rounded a corner, he let off a burst of weapons

fire. Only then did he realize that he had done it instinctually when a man ran right at him from the other side of

the corner. Falling backwards from the impact of several plasma shards, his flesh smoked and turned a pure black.

Abdullah, his mind racing, was acting without thinking. He walked forward slowly, only a few paces, to get a close

look at the first man he had killed. Leaning on one knee, he gazed into his eyes. Only then did he realize that it

was one of the rioters and not one of his own men. Just as he was about to fire a final shot into the enemy's face,

he noticed the man's lips move, just barely, as if struggling to speak. Gasping in pain, no words left his charred

mouth. But, on his second attempt, the rasp of his voice awoke Abdullah to the reality of what had begun.



"The End Is Near!"



//MERKAR REPUBLIC TO ALL OPEN RECIEVERS//

This is Colonel Abdullah, temporary leader of the Merkar Republic. Previously, as you all know, the Merkar Republic

was a succesful technocracy, guided by our infailable computer, the Mainframe. Yesterday, the general public became

aware of its secret prediction that theists would one day a thousand years from now initiate a massive war that

would result in complete destruction of all living things in the universe. This is similar to the concept that many

know as "Armagedon". The only way to stop it, our Mainframe directed, was to exterminate all theists living in the

Merkar Republic. Secret planning for this project had been continuing for several months before the secret became

public yesterday.

As a result, massive riots have swept the country. We have offered the theists a painless, honorable death, but

judging by their reaction they have refused. By any means necessary, we will now reluctantly take upon ourselves the

terrible task of extermination by force. We request all free nations to come by our side in this time of civil war,

fighting for their own survival and that of all that lives today and in the future.

//END//

The Corporate Entente: The Shadow of the Almighty Dollar (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=447563&highlight=athiesism):


MRS INVINCIBLE

THE CRUDE OUTLINE of the MRS Invincible, Merkar's sole star battleship, materialized from a scattered clump of matter that had appeared just a few seconds ago in front of the third planet from the sun. Arriving in the Sol system after five days at 365 times the speed of light, it did not appear graceful, nor impressive compared to other starcraft. Still, it was meant to be small and compact. Stealth was important, and the best way to achieve it was simply to make smaller craft, bristling with weapons and mounting strong armor.

As the war grew near, the Invincible and here bold crew had been sent to the Sol System. It was D-Day now, time for the great invasion. It was time to get into the fight, after years of preparation.

First Lieutenant Taggart had never been in hyperspace before. Five days ago was the last time he had seen anything, and here he was, laying in his bunk, rematerialized but disoriented. It was a strange experience the first time around. But he was sure he would get used to it.

What was more important now was to get to the breifing. Either the clocks were malfunctioning, or he was late. They were now behind schedule by two minutes; the briefing was to begin at 5:30 AM, and H-Hour was at 7. No matter; Admiral Fox was waiting.

Walking through the halls, he met some of his fellow pilots. Their conversation was brief, as they did not want to waste any more time. This operation was crucial, and noone knew how the first battle would turn out.

As the men entered the room where the briefing was to take place, they noticed the crude folding chairs contrasting with the futuristic appearance of the room. The Merkar military was pragmatic- it did not waste money on stylish furniture. Taking a seat, it did not take long for everyone to be assembled and for Admiral Fox to begin speaking.

"Comrades! Today we will make history! This is to be our first combat test of our equipment, our tactics, and you. In our Navy, the first two factors have proven to be the best in the world. The wild card is all of you. I am confident you WILL suceed. No other group of fine young men have the skill and training that you posses. It is up to you, Comrades, to use it to effect!"

Fox's delivery was powerful and brash. He got his point across. Switching on the holograhpic displays, he brought up an image of the mission route.

"Those sonofabitches down there aren't going to know what hit them! We have practiced this mission over and over again in training. I dream about it in my sleep. All of us should have it hardwired into their heads by now. We're going to go in there and shoot those cocksuckers until they burn in hell!"

Cheers rose from everyone assembled in the room.

"Comrades! Today we are to bring the fight to the enemy! We will blow up all of his toys and make him run for his mother! You should all be proud of yourselves! This is to be the among greatest victories of our nation in history!"

Once again, cheers were shouted.

"You should all know by now your tasks. As if you forgot them somehow, we will refresh your memory."

Taggart already could fly this mission with his eyes closed. He was to lead a flight of four Talon fighters to seal off the landing area for the soldiers to fly in. A base was to be established, while his flight, designated Delta, would fend off the heavy enemy attacks expected to occur. Other wings would be doing other missions that day, but that was not his concern. It was all very simple. It had been rehearsed dozens of times. There was no need to pay attention to Admiral Fox for the moment.

"Any questions?... No?... Then man your ships!"

"OOORAH!"

You could not help but be caught up in the moment. This was the great battle everyone had been waiting for, and it was to be a cakewalk. Not because of a great difference in strength, but because of limitless courage and skill on the part of Merkari soldiers.

Delta Flight's fighters had already been powered up. The docking bays opened up on the bottom of the ship, currently facing Earth. Taggart entered the room and gazed ahead. It was odd. There was his old home, Earth, visible through the docking bay entrance, filling his eyes with astonishment. He had left there years ago. When he was simply a young adventurer, joining the Navy to see the world, as they said. Now it was time to return, and finish business that should have been finished long ago.

Climbing into Delta One, Taggart lowered the cockpit window. He notice the noise of the docking bay die down considerably. The cockpit window was not actually made of glass, but it appeared to be. It was a layer of armor covered on both sides by display panels that allowed the pilot to view outward from inside and his wingmen to view inward from outside. It was necessary to allow his wingman to see inside his cockpit in case the radios were jammed and he had to issue hand signals.

In front of Delta One, another fighter was laying on the railgun, ready to be launched. You could here the flight deck controller count down in his native language. "Nin, Gartu, Seg, Sin... Hartu!" It was almost impossible to see the fighter as it sped down the rail at an amazing speed, exiting the docking bay and heading toward the expanse of blue and green that was Earth.

Taggart was next. A mechanical arm pulled his craft up from its perch, raising him several feet above the shiny, well-lit black floor of the massive docking bay. Resting it on the launch rail, Taggart could here the countdown begin.

"Nin, Gartu, Seg, Sin... HARTU!"

Armageddon Battle (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=443052&highlight=athiesism):


"LIEUTENANT Hac!" The young man was not being patient. "Sir! D Platoon is ready to move out to the exercise area!"

Seargeant Connor was one of the better soldiers. He should have known better than to break radio silence.

"Goddammit, asshole, you don't need to use the radio every fucking minute!" Hac wanted to give his subordinate a good tongue-lashing, but he was too tired. This was only a training exercise, but Hac believed in the value of keeping everything as real as possible. Even if it wasn't his country, it was an ally, and besides, it was his job.

Lieutenant A. I. Hac was a member of the Royal SkyCapt Commandos. In wartime, his job would be to go behind enemy lines and recruit the local population into an insurgency. He had done it before. Yes, his superiors were proud of him. And they "rewarded" him with this. The job of teaching an army that couldn't march in a straight line even if it wanted to. What a shitty little place this was.

Connor was on the other end of the line. He was a wise little man- he knew when to speak his mind, and when to keep quiet. This situation called for more of the second part. They had to move out in just a few minutes. Hac already knew that the whole company was ready, and there was no need to remind him. He always did things right on schedule. This country, Athiesism, had to learn to do that.

The accomodations were good- it seemed that in this army the soldiers were pampered, pedicured, massaged, and totally unfit for combat. Even so, they were better than when he arrived. The Lieutenant had been one of the first military advisers on the ground, perhaps four or five years ago. It was hard to tell how long it had been, but now he was back. And it seemed like the SkyCapt advisers were whipping the army into shape perfectly well.

In front of him was the camp enterance, and beyond, the Jurmaya Hills. It was off to there today, a 15-mile march over the roughest terrain on the island. He knew that the lazy bastards he was supposed to help train would love it. The entrance to the camp was guarded by an infantry section that he had specifically put there for the purpose. Everyone complained- this was one of the most peaceful places on earth. Why did it have to be guarded? Just let the men sleep!

The clock hit twelve. Time to go.

It was a good thing that the exercise started so late. The troops got their beauty sleep. Hac stepped outside. He could smell the flowers. Not only that, but the stench of the latrines added an extra aroma. There was all four platoons, standing straight and stiff-backed. Not bad. Or at least not as bad as usual. Just because they were conscripts didn't mean they were supposed to be treated like them.

He looked over the platoon leaders. There was Connor, trying to look brave while dodging eye contact. Cherhaven, confused as usual. Arba, looking well rested and at the same time restless. All four platoons were ready. It took only a simple single to get them moving, but it could wait. It was time for a little pep talk

"Good morn---"

A noise, more terrible than anyone had ever heard before, erupted where noone thought it would.

The gate entrance had gone up into a huge fireball. Hac froze once he saw it. He thought after all he'd been through, being a veteran of the Millenial Wars, it wouldn't scare him. But noone noticed their commander's fear- they were too stunned at the moment to remember.

Suddenly, it had hit everyone that the Old Man had been right. They really would fight someday. Hac, recomposing himself almost instantly, turned to them. A smile always helped in times like these. "Incoming!", Hac shouted. It was the drill for artillery, and this seemed to be something else. But saying nothing would make the problem worse. Giving the men something to do made them think the problem was under control.

As the entire company scattered to find cover, Hac summoned the platoon commanders, still standing in the same place, as immovable as a rock. Connor and Arba ran to him instantly. They did not salute, as was standard procedure in wartime- it let the enemy snipers know who the officers were. Cherhaven, though, did. There was no time to correct him. They were all showing incredible courage under fire, anyway.

A plan formed in Hac's mind in a flash. "Connor, hole up in the east barracks and Arba'll take the west! Cherhaven!" The stunned seargeant snapped his head toward his CO, his eyes opened wide, lips visibly trembling. "Fan out and search the hills! Make sure you take a manpack radio with you!" If they found anything, Hac wanted to be absolutely sure that HQ heard of it. The long-range radio was necessary.

"Yessir!" all three replied, almost at the same time. He had trained his subordinates well- they carried out their duties efficiently and without question. But during the heat of the chaos, Hac had lost track of what he was doing. Was it really an attack? Was it a bomb? Or was it some kind of accident? He turned his head toward the flames, which were now slowly receding. A mass of seared human flesh lie on the ground, and nearby the remains of a strange backpack, torn apart by its explosive cargo. It hit the commander instantly. It was one of the militants. The Army of God had struck. Before, it was just a rumor. But now, it seemed, these fanatics really existed, and were ready to take their fight to the very heart of the country, the "immoral, spiritually corrupt men who claim to lead our country to freedom".

Yes, that was what they said. What nutcases they were- if I ever see one, Ill make sure he never sees anyone again, Hac thought. The few doubts he had would quickly be dispelled by what he was about to see.

Over the hills, across the long valley, men appeared, waving guns and shouting the cry of Armageddon in the name of their God.

"AL-JUDAYA AL-KASHNYA TORUMIN!"

As you can see, most of this stuff is FT. Also, I seem to be a kind of "bad luck charm", because every RP I've been in has failed (never been completed). I don't know why, but it'd be interesting to see what happens this time. :D

[OOC: Guys, I'm a friend of Athiesism here, and I say give him a chance. He's an excellent role-player, and I believe that you should let him convert back to MT.

Now, Athiesism, I saw your post on the new invisionfree Greater Dienstad boards, and I have this suggestion - why not take over AfrikaZCorps? After all, since he's moved from that place a long time ago, it should be desolate and abandoned now. Plus Athiesism, you get to pressure Stevid from ANOTHER front!

All we need is a tech transfer and a historical re-write, and Athiesism is all set!]

Do you have anything that is modern tech, or lesser post-modern tech [i.e. anything between 1980s and 2030s]? Other points of contention include that in this war most people have super dreadnaughts and the like, as well as huge tanks, et cetera. I mean, we don't delve into fantasy, and we keep everything as realistic as possible, but the big penii syndrome does leak in quite a bit. :) Will this be alright with you, or not? In any case, I would hold off joining until all four conclusion posts are up, and so when you read those you'll have a pretty clear idea of where we are. I really want to update the Wiki page on the war, but I don't have enough time - I don't even have enough time to post. But, I'll get the conclusion posts up, and the Wiki updated sometime before the end of October. :)

What do other members think?

Err taking over anothers nation without proper RP and consent would be heavily frowned on by myself.

As for Atheism, Im not quite sure he would fit in citing his previous arguments with a good protion of the current partcipants via many an SD argument thread too numerous to mention. Questers would have a fit...

Err taking over anothers nation without proper RP and consent would be heavily frowned on by myself.
[OOC: Mac said that he would likely remove AKZ from the map. And as for Athiesism's SDN arguments, I will be trying to negotiate with him on that myself.]

Sorry i haven't posted in so long.

Speaking of posting, i'm afriad i'm going to find RPing somewhat limited to weekends, School is really getting in the way and so i might find it difficult to fire off another post. As for XXX Corps, if Mac wants them alive then i'll RP them moving forward by all means (with amendments to morale- if you just saw the entire city of London disappear in a series of explosions you'd pause and think about the legitimacy of a war).

In regtards to the Firebase attack, i just need info on the speed and average altitude of the Missiles. This new firebase is far better equipped at taking down air targets, and now the CELLDAR is up i can see them earlier. But in concern to shooting them down, i'll need to dig around for the speeds and altitudes so i don't godmod the results or something.

In regards to the shipment of aircraft from CSJ, i'm willing to assume that they haven't arrived yet but i ordered some of his fighters quite a while ago now and so some should be nearly ready- obviously some are nowhere near finshed (namely the recently purchased ones).

Also, TSS, no one should judge pilots by new aircraft. Some will adapt very quickly and planes operate in essentially the same way. Also, we shouldn't assume that because the Stevidian RAF is under funded and uses RL aircraft that it's fighting ability is weakened by the presence of far more advanced SU's and Mek's- we already know that a B1 Lancer can avoid even the most advanced RADARs if RPed right. I know the EF-2000 and Tornado F3 like the back of my hand. One shouldn't assume a win over a country with less air technology. Mac has better naval Tech than me and yet his fleet was forced into retreat in the Otium Aqua Sea.

This war is far from over yet and Stevid's participation won't end at the hands of an over confident Space Union Air Force.

I wasn't saying my air force could knock your nation out of the war, more of causing dampening of morale and such is the way. ;)

By the way, IH were are your bombers stationed that keep on conducting raids? I might do RP an attack on that or something (though I might not but lets see where it is). Thank You. :)

Will do Stevid, Im beat right now (30 minute bike ride home after even a short shift in the florida sun will get ya.) but yeah Im expecting only a small percentage to get through (I'd say about 90% destroyed estimated on my commanders end, but hes being cautious) but 130 missiles of 500 kilograms equiv EACH of TNT will do their fair share of damage.

Now mind you these are rough stats but they should help explain it.

M41 Reduced Payload Extended Range Missile (RPER)
Image: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v203/jay3135/Hardware/m41.png
Apogee: 90km
Max speed: 5500 km/h
Max Effective Range: 700 kilometers
Maximum Range: ~800 kilometers (with and increase in CEP of 100% every 10km past 710 km)
Velocity along traectory(max): 1800 m/s
Impact velocity: >2100m/s
Max Payload: 300kg (250kg Light Penetrating, 300kg HE, 3kt Nuclear)
Improvments: Improved Accuracy with new first stage, and longer range.

Since you asked what we thought Mac, I might as well say that I have no problem with Athiesism joining, I am just curious as to the IC reasons why.

That's fine with me, BUT, what if you take serious losses? If you do well against him then there isn't a problem, you just go up against me down a few ships. However, if you take massive losses, that is definatly going to change how our battle is fought..

We should probably work this out before me and you start slugging it out.

EDIT: Skibereen, are you invading him after your naval battle or is something else going on? Can someone give me a rundown on whats going on between you two?

Well, the way I see it lay is that Jag got ahead of me in the storm landed his forces and made his turn around---I know that is a long time---but its the only way to go for a reason too long to explain.

My Forces are moving to engage in an Operation in Northern Macabee---my Fleet(Two Task Forces) Are heading on coming to Jag's fleet which is headed home(or to another theater) we have agreed thati will not have surprise on his fleet and so it will be an even nose to nose as it were--whether or not I am going to invade after i discharge my expeditionary forces...I would say that is doubtful doesnt really fit into my nations character--Macabee needs my help so troops go to foreign soil but if Jag isnt attacking my mainland it would not fit culturally for me to make a pre-emptive invasion---I might harrass him--that fits my culture perfectly, but invasion in not typical of my peoples, as a matter of fact all wars faught by my nation in real life time since '03 have been either on my soil or me fighting in an assymetric capacity.

However you and Jag feel the time should lay is fine by me.
I have my spear head troops already landed on another location by other transport means anyway.

Now mind you these are rough stats but they should help explain it.

M41 Reduced Payload Extended Range Missile (RPER)
Image: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v203/jay3135/Hardware/m41.png
Apogee: 90km
Max speed: 5500 km/h
Max Effective Range: 700 kilometers
Maximum Range: ~800 kilometers (with and increase in CEP of 100% every 10km past 710 km)
Velocity along traectory(max): 1800 m/s
Impact velocity: >2100m/s
Max Payload: 300kg (250kg Light Penetrating, 300kg HE, 3kt Nuclear)

Ok--after some discussion between HailandKill and myself. No one has to edit anything. Weather I win or loose against Skibreen it doesn't have an effect on mine and his naval battle. If I win against Skibreen, then I sail to New Empire docks (since hes coming back) and refueling, treating wounded at his hospitals, my men getting extremely drunk since alcohol is banned in my country. If I loose--well then its to sob and cry about another defeat in an endless void of them.

Basically in short, things just keep going smoothly.

Whooo.... Back and still neutral.

Since you asked what we thought Mac, I might as well say that I have no problem with Athiesism joining, I am just curious as to the IC reasons why.
How about some Merkari settlers arriving many moons ago via "comet" (in actuality a burning rocketship descending), before the War of Golden Succession began?

And only recently, the Merkari have finally managed to get decent communications up so that they can get around the region.

In answer to the question, my heavy bombers are mainly stationed away in Stevid and on the East coast of SH2 at the moment as they are providing long range anti-shipping support to my P-7's and Carrier Groups as they can carry reasonable amounts of my big anti-shipping missiles.

The fighter bombers and light bombers are based around the Western area of SH2 supporting my ground forces which are moving towards the Western end of the fighting front. The aircraft will be based on normal SH2 airbases I would have thought as there has not been anywhere near enough time for me to build my own.

How about some Merkari settlers arriving many moons ago via "comet" (in actuality a burning rocketship descending), before the War of Golden Succession began?

And only recently, the Merkari have finally managed to get decent communications up so that they can get around the region.

You know what, that would be great! It'd be nice to have continuity between my FT and MT countries. BTW, ICly the Merkar Republic (me) is in the year 2300 or so, but still owns some real estate on Earth from when it was an earth-bound nation.

So I would have to go "back in time" a little, but it would work out. We'll say that my tech isn't very developed during this RP time, even though personally I think that most people see technological progress as too slow (IMO we will have antimatter, fusion, and the Matrix by 2020-2050, considering by 2013 we'll have computers that will be as a advanced as the human brain). But no problem.

If AfrikaZCorps is no longer active, I'll take him. The SD thing may be a problem, but if it makes you happy I will only use submarines to sink SDs and will only use cruise missiles to kill smaller ships (cruise missiles still have a place, there are a lot of smaller combatants like cruisers, frigates and land targets to kill). Heavy tanks, flying fortresses, etc. shouldn't be that big of a problem since I noticed that at least most of you guys keep tank guns under 140mm.

Now, the IC reasons would be complicated. Merkari settlers landing in AfrikaZCorps and taking over the government or being elected as rulers? The Earthbound part of the Merkar Republic loosing communication with the spacebound part and getting involved in the war? And how would that work? A violation of Merkari airspace brings us into the war? Fighting over drinking water or territory? Some random international incident?

As for the question, "do I have anything MT?" Well, if we go back in time, I did have a small fleet (I actually had three battleships), a very strong air force for my size (100 million pop), and a simple army. But I would have to build it up.

Oh, and Athiesism, TG response please.

Nationstates.net is down. Aren't you having this problem too?

[OOC: Rats. The question I asked was, to hand over your AIM and MSN addresses. Add'em to your profile for the sake of convenience, but you don't have to. (In fact, I prefer not to).]

[OOC: So, if I wanted to join... can I get a real quick sumup of what's happened so far, what time this is set in, and if there's any particular rules on weapons here?]

I've been telling new people to wait up until the NS Wiki is up to date, so they can just read that.

So Mac, what do you consider my idea of Athiesism's entry?

And as for SDNs, Athiesism....they are not invincible, and there more than one ways to beat them. The reason we do not see them IRL is due to political willpower and budget issues. After all, IRL, we don't need battleships due to the changing atmosphere of the battlefield. To beat SDNs, you need some decent strategy and some fairly powerful weapons.

But I ain't sure about the Matrix idea by 2050. Quantum computers perhaps, and advanced VR, but not that sure about that. And as for heavy tanks....check out New Empire's or Mac's heavy tanks, those are true examples of heavy tanks/supertanks.

Glad to see you in APP, Athiesism. It will finally provide you with an enjoyable role-play at last that can be found in long-term.

I don't like the idea of mixing FT and MT; other than that, I don't think I have any objections.

Right, I've been interested in joining for a while but have been reluctant to do so because of the ongoing battles. However, with the lull in the fighting, I think I'm going to step forward and state that I intend to join in on the side of the Havenite Pact.

However, I don't feel that I can in good conscience jump in with both feet because that would probably be too unbalancing to the Havenite side and Mac seems to have an idea of where he wants this RP to go. Properly balancing the naval side of the equation should be fairly easy, assuming I know the present strength of Mac's alliance (I never got a good grasp of how the situation shook out after that big battle.) The land side is a bit harder, because it seems that on the whole it seems like Mac and his allies' tech swings more towards hard MT than mine does. I was thinking of deploying five (elite) armies, which is a tad over 475,000 people (includes corp and army command elements.)

I suppose I'll just remind people here since it really hasn't been mentioned for an incredibly long time now, but Retreat Island off of Mac's coast has a sizeable Risbanian fleet stationed there, which was moved there after the Havenite attack on the island during the beginning of this conflict. I don't have exact statistics drawn up, and if someone really wants them I'll make them, but just know that there's a good-sized fleet stationed there.

Right, I've been interested in joining for a while but have been reluctant to do so because of the ongoing battles. However, with the lull in the fighting, I think I'm going to step forward and state that I intend to join in on the side of the Havenite Pact.

However, I don't feel that I can in good conscience jump in with both feet because that would probably be too unbalancing to the Havenite side and Mac seems to have an idea of where he wants this RP to go. Properly balancing the naval side of the equation should be fairly easy, assuming I know the present strength of Mac's alliance (I never got a good grasp of how the situation shook out after that big battle.) The land side is a bit harder, because it seems that on the whole it seems like Mac and his allies' tech swings more towards hard MT than mine does. I was thinking of deploying five (elite) armies, which is a tad over 475,000 people (includes corp and army command elements.)


I intended to side with Mac and co.--I'm just north of Risban's island and Mac, I could counterbalance whatever you throw in on Savehaven's side.

I don't like the idea of mixing FT and MT; other than that, I don't think I have any objections.
Roger that. But I personally say that to erase the FT references from the Merkaris, have the rocketship mostly destroyed and most of their memories forgotten for good.

As a friendly note to Jagada, I'll have that Violence and Bloodshed post up as soon as I get home. I wasn't able to finish it last night because I went out, and crashed at my friends house, and the same might happen tonight. So when I end up back at my house I shall have something for you, this time for real.

Lame Bums, if you plan on allying with the Northern Alliance, then would you be interested in some sort of treaty with me? I think it would stand to reason because we would be fighting on the same side and we share a border.

10-4 HailandKill.

I intended to side with Mac and co.--I'm just north of Risban's island and Mac, I could counterbalance whatever you throw in on Savehaven's side.


Maybe, maybe not. I could easily throw in all 30 of the armies that I classify as elite and put only a minor dent in the ability of my army to defend my territory. I won't do that, though, because this is a good RP where cooperation seems to come easy and nobody really looks to be going for the throat.

And yeah, I'd very much like to know the fleet strength of Mac's Northern Alliance in the region. I'm more concerned with known surface assets, like those in port and those obviously survived the fighting; I tend to RP subsurface assets of my enemies as only sketchily known.

Actually, Mac, I think it'd probably be best if I talked to you over IM (either AOL or MSN.) Would you TG me you handle so I can get ahold of you tonight?

I'm in the region, so I'm thinking of a way to get involved in the war. The most interesting option I can think of is a "you attack my merchant ships and I declare war" kind of thing, like how the US entered WWI. Can someone in the Northern Alliance offer to set up a sea trade with me? We'll go from there as my merchant ships get sunk.

Although I'm technically an FT nation now, this war takes place around 2020-2050, at the time when I was still using super-slow realspace FTL. This means that my spacebound country based in Alpha Centauri probably won't be able to offer any help, so mixing MT and FT won't be a problem.

I'm in the region, so I'm thinking of a way to get involved in the war. The most interesting option I can think of is a "you attack my merchant ships and I declare war" kind of thing, like how the US entered WWI. Can someone in the Northern Alliance offer to set up a sea trade with me? We'll go from there as my merchant ships get sunk.



Yeah, that's almost how I got involved in the actual fighting. Silly Havenites raided my island and blew some things up and I almost bit back. But then it sort of helped plunge my nation, which was already having problems, into a civil war, so I just put a big navy there and stayed in neutrality. I think the Havenites apologized for it and said they didn't control those pirates, but I can remember. :p

But, yeah, it's a good way to get involved.

I'm in the region, so I'm thinking of a way to get involved in the war. The most interesting option I can think of is a "you attack my merchant ships and I declare war" kind of thing, like how the US entered WWI. Can someone in the Northern Alliance offer to set up a sea trade with me? We'll go from there as my merchant ships get sunk.

Although I'm technically an FT nation now, this war takes place around 2020-2050, at the time when I was still using super-slow realspace FTL. This means that my spacebound country based in Alpha Centauri probably won't be able to offer any help, so mixing MT and FT won't be a problem.

You can have merchant ships go to my country.

Jag, the post is finished and up.

I'm in the region, so I'm thinking of a way to get involved in the war. The most interesting option I can think of is a "you attack my merchant ships and I declare war" kind of thing, like how the US entered WWI. Can someone in the Northern Alliance offer to set up a sea trade with me? We'll go from there as my merchant ships get sunk.

Although I'm technically an FT nation now, this war takes place around 2020-2050, at the time when I was still using super-slow realspace FTL. This means that my spacebound country based in Alpha Centauri probably won't be able to offer any help, so mixing MT and FT won't be a problem.
I think you'd need to cut out FTL travel out completely. Back down to 2040 at least. And as for the merchant ships part....been there, done that already. With Oceanaria, Stevid and the Macabee Imperium.

Gotta think of a more original way.....

On an unrelated note, SEA, I never got IM'd from you about what we were going to talk about.

Are you still interested?

Dammit. Check ye TG's, mate.

Lame Bums, if you plan on allying with the Northern Alliance, then would you be interested in some sort of treaty with me? I think it would stand to reason because we would be fighting on the same side and we share a border.

I'd roll with that--just give me a holler on AIM (hellbovine3) sometime Sunday afternoon/evening. I'm up pretty late; kinda hard to miss.

@Scandiavian States: Without beating the chest, I'm assuming that none of us are going for the throat.

@Mac: Some of my equipment, I've RP'd coming out after some of the stuff you've designed (and others to a lesser extent: but none of them are here). I'd like to rp accordingly, so....is there anything old you still use for the sake of this rp?

Yea, I use a lot of old stuff, including my Lu-5 air superiority fighters. This thread has not gone fast enough to match the velocity of new tech design.

All 'new people', starting tomorrow I'll begin to update the entry on NSWiki for the war, so you all can get up to date.

A preliminary map of what the front is supposed to look like at the end of September 2016. Red is areas in rebellion, green is my spearhead into Zarbia, and light blue is the Ishme-Dagan salient.

http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i291/Macabees/Frontmap.png

I think you'd need to cut out FTL travel out completely. Back down to 2040 at least. And as for the merchant ships part....been there, done that already. With Oceanaria, Stevid and the Macabee Imperium.

Gotta think of a more original way.....


I agree with both. My FT country didn't have a real fleet until 2033, so it won't be a problem at all if I start around 2016.

And I agree that I should find a more original way to enter the RP. Anyone want to "accidentally" fire a nuclear missile at me? Or maybe I'll boycott the warring countries of a valuable commodity (uranium, oil, or steel), and they'll land on one of my islands to take it back, like how the US entered WW2. It's really hard to think of good ways to RP my way in other than the merchant ship thing. Does anyone want to nuke me or be boycotted like I mentioned above?

I have an idea - Kriegzimmer.

How? Say the Merkar Republic has been set up and is looking for foreign investment, and Kriegzimmer steps in to fill in the contract. As a result, friendly ties are established with the Second Empire of the Golden Throne.

It isn't before too long that strong cordial ties with the Macabee Imperium are established via embassy.

This causes panic in the Republic of SafeHaven2, and the Havenite politicians are in a panicky mood just after the Space-Unionist bombing. They fear that the Merkar Republic is a puppet-state (when in reality, it hardly is, it's a pacifistic liberal democratic mind-setted populace trying to get itself up and running and survive in this planet, let alone this regional conflict).

Plus, it turns out that the Merkar Republic has (gathered from Havenite spies) a good depth for shipbuilding industry and a strategic point for basing.

The Havenites launch a series of air-strikes and coastal bombardments in an attempt to shatter Merkari morale and subjugate them and force them into SafeHaven2 and become one with them.

Turns out they were horribly wrong.....

Hey, really good idea SEA. Damn, why is that you're the one that comes up with all these ideas? :gundge:

Well, really, given your position there is a much more political cassus belli you can take advantage of. You are more or less east of Safehaven, centered on the largest islands of that disputed island chain that goes up and down Safehaven's coast, in Western Greater Dienstad. In other words, you as a sea-going nation now have the perfect opportunity to contest Havenic control over those disputed islands which are not yours. Given that almost his entire fleet was destroyed in the Battle of Targul Frumos, well you now have leverage to enter the war, and that could be your reason, stating Havenic agression against me as a cassus belli.

Unfortunately, something that requires Safehaven2 to post before you can enter is a bad idea, given his posting rate is about 1 every 4 months [he has a justified reason for it, but still]. So, you'd probably want something like my idea.

Isn't 'cassus belli' a Latin way of saying "cause of war", Mac? Because I still like my idea better. And something tells me that even if the Havenite Republic's fleet were not destroyed, wouldn't the collapse of Guffingford mean that they would be sensible to order a few boats to claim the islands already? They wouldn't have to worry about the PSRH (People's Socialist Republic of Hogsweatia) outpost of Yorkania because Hogsweatia is still recovering IC from his computer-gone-ballistic-and-nuke-oneself-incident.

And as for those ideas Athiesism, I simply get them out of analyzing the state-craft of history of events present and long past.

Actually, SEA, it's Questers involved in this, not Hogsweat. Same player, different nation. And Questers' navy isn't something anybody in their right mind wants to tangle with, not even me.

*raises hand* Id quite gladly tangle with it... if only because im comfortable RPing with matt and know we arent about to start throwing things at each other OOC if we disagree.

Which to be honest is perhaps one of the most important parts of this RP winning or loseing is totally irrelevant overall.

*raises hand* Id quite gladly tangle with it... if only because im comfortable RPing with matt and know we arent about to start throwing things at each other OOC if we disagree.

Likewise accept he's on my side so i needed worry about it too much. Realistically i would lose the battle but it's all in good fun. Nobady likes losing but we all have to lose at something at one point.

On another matter, 6th Form has been getting in the way of me RPin here a lot so i apolagise for the lateness of my post. But i'll have one up in a few minutes....5 and a bits worth of text hurt my eyes so i haven't really re-read it, can't be bothered.

My Apologies Jag I have been without connection until today, card burned up.

SS, what I meant to say was, they wouldn't have to worry about the PSRH, I didn't mention anything about Questeria. I know the two nations are separate entities ICly.

I'm not entirely caught up with this roleplay yet--but I intend to join on Mac's side here (think of it as sticking up for the defender). Being north of Mac and only bordering Hailandkill on the north (with the rest being ocean), what sort of casus belli do I have, apart from 1) Savehaven is the aggressor here and 2) siden with Safehaven would be suicide being surrounded on all sides?

I would like to get into this sometime too... On Macs side. I've been trying to work on my RPing ability though, first. (So it will probably be a while.)

Southeastasia's idea is good, if we can find someone other than Safehaven to attack me. There has to be some other Havenite pact member willing to do it. Volunteers? If not, I'll do Mac's idea.

C'mon, Safehaven isn't the only active member of the Havenic pact, is he? Volunteers?

Alternately, you could start role-play relations with Mac first to pass the time before Safehaven2 returns. Ah, what a delight it would be to my ears to see the Broadsword-Tizona serving in the Merkari Republican Armed Services.....

I would rather see the Nakíl. <_< I'm trying to hit the 1,000,000 export mark, because then I'm damn sure that the Nakíl has been the most exported tank on NationStates! Regardless, sorry I haven't gotten any of the other conclusion posts up, or worked on the Wiki. I will do one or the other this week, as this last week we've had some people working on our house, so I haven't had much time. This coming week I have to paint some parts of the house, but that shouldn't be too difficult or time consuming - a few hours at the most. So, I'll try my best to conclude the August parts of this war, and people can start to post deployments for Ishme-Dagan.

I'll try to get a post up for Jagada a.s.a.p, as well, and get a post for Hailandkill, dealing with the Weigari front in August 2016. I'll try as hard as I can. I've been reading a lot more lately, and so that has been time consuming. I want to get through David M. Glantz', When Titans Clashed, so I can move on to Tank Warfare: An Analysis of Soviet and NATO Tank Philosophy, by Richard E. Simpkin - it's going to be a major source of information for the upcoming Nakíl 1A2 [which is going to own more than the 1A1, which I still consider one of the best tanks, if not the best, on NationStates]. That said, I'm also going to be spending a lot of time on the write-up for the 1A2, which I hope will match the length of the first one, making the entire thing ~40,000 words long. <_<

Well, actually, I'll try to get a response for Jagada up right now ... if Jolt doesn't mess up.

Take your time on the Wiegar post, I have so much shit on my plate, it might be a while before I can fully get involved again <.<

I'm thinking of going ahead and cranking out a prelude-to-war post, essentially explaining how my nation works in a nutshell and exactly what drives my nation to war, including the phases of gearing up, to kill some time while Mac makes his wiki...if I've made any errors then someone just point it on on a TG or AIM.

But IIRC Mac is anti-communist here, which means I'd need no excuse to join on his side, so very little politics necessary.

Ok guys! Finally got my internet connection sorted out at uni, so hopefully be posting rather soonish, specially as I'll be a lazy student with too much free time....or so I hope.

Just thought I'd drop a line to let you know im still around and if anything have a greater enthusiasm for writing at the moment for some reason!

Just so all of you know, I will be offline almost every weekend.

If it's alright with Mac, I'm going to make an intro post later today about Kriegzimmer setting up factories in my country.

Go for it.

Just so all of you know, I will be offline almost every weekend.

If it's alright with Mac, I'm going to make an intro post later today about Kriegzimmer setting up factories in my country.
[OOC: Excellent. And what about an embassy exchange thread, Athiesism? And how will that intro post be done, in an article style a la Azazia (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=488910)?]

I don't think I'll find a way to get involved in the main battle around the 2EoGT, so I'm thinking of having a little spinoff war with Skinny. (Actually I did mention this several months ago but it came to naught... so I'm trying it again.)

Note, Mac, remove the Czardas in brackets from after my name, Catalasia broke away ages ago and the two countries are now no longer on speaking terms. -.-

That's a good idea, just because it's Mac's war doesn't mean that it has to be fought on the lands between Safehaven and Mac. Allies on both sides might just fight one another and not the main participants.

Thats what me and HailandKill are trying to do in Violence and Bloodshed. Once we get past the naval battle someone might get invaded.

Ugh. I hate school.

I am really sorry I can't respond lately. I am so backed up in shit, its ridiculous.

I will try to post by the end of the weekend, but no promises.

Note, Mac, remove the Czardas in brackets from after my name, Catalasia broke away ages ago and the two countries are now no longer on speaking terms. -.-
I think it is nothing more than an OOC indication that it is your puppet....

Is Passion Play always this slow? It looks like everyone is so busy with school that the RP is dying.

Safehaven2 hasn't posted since before I left for Spain, and I've only posted once or twice since I've come back. I've been planning to post, but there's some people working at my house and I find it hard to concentrate.

I think it is nothing more than an OOC indication that it is your puppet....

Still, though. Who'd care? Except the few people out there who think I'm actually a good RPer and thus would rather participate in an RP with my name in it. Come on, you know you were all thinking that... ;)

Hailandkill, is there somehow a way you could write a post on Word that summarizes what's happened at Aurillac up to now? I don't want to read all those posts. :( It would just need a summary, and I'll explain what happens from there on. The summary would be similar to the summary I did for Mosnoi Bor.

Is Passion Play always this slow? It looks like everyone is so busy with school that the RP is dying.

Look how old this RP and how slowly it it took to get to this number of people--death of the RP is doubtful as long as people stay patient (is that the right patient?) I want Jag to respond to me so we can begin this naval battle and so I can move on---but since the entire RP is moving slowly I wait---it isnt going to die, its to well done.

This thing won't die unless all the major particpants agree that they've had enough.

I'm wondering whether i should wate for Mek or SU to do something or just rp my XXX Corps battalion leaving the city- it's been four days now and it would take little more then two to get through San Menedez.

I'm not sure about Mek but I'm not going to be conducting any more bombings till later in the month (waiting for Ishme-Dagon and Mac wants your divisions and high-importance stuff alive for the battle so I can't bomb much of great importance).

Im busy offloading and moving my new troops in theatre south. so I doubt youll see any more strikes from me. For now that is, I'm trying to get ready for Ishme-Dagan.

Alrighty then- i suppose i could write a post up on XXX Corps moving through and out of that hell hole of a city. But untill something else major happens next in the war, i'm expecting very little action.

EDIT:

Where is this new battle theatre anyway?

Alrighty then- i suppose i could write a post up on XXX Corps moving through and out of that hell hole of a city. But untill something else major happens next in the war, i'm expecting very little action.

EDIT:

Where is this new battle theatre anyway?

Ishme-Dagon (I think its near the border with Safehaven2). Too lazy to go look at the map. :p

The Ishme-Dagan salient is whatever is highlighted blue in Ruska. Ishme-Dagan is a city in the center.

http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i291/Macabees/Frontmap.png

Shweet I am right there.

And the green?

That's my spearhead into Zarbia which hasn't moved since Zarbia doesn't respond ... at all.

Is Passion Play always this slow? It looks like everyone is so busy with school that the RP is dying.
Patience, Athiesism. You will be rewarded for that with good reads in the form of yummy and juicy, meatily detailed, excellently crafted, posts. Besides, the War of Golden Succession is meant to be a very long and entrenching role-play, and a key historical part to all those nations that participated in the conflict....not counting those who are the primary participants. ;) :D

Shit, that's a long trek from San Menedez. I've got two other Corps in the area i could use one of those.

Jagada is on the Zarbia front so if you need opposition, Mac, i'm sure he'd be willing.

(this is IH, cant be bothered to log out of puppet atm)

I was going to RP my forces as taking the shoulder of that salient against the sea, not sure if thats going to be acceptable or not to SH2, but that of course relates directly to if he is actually going to take part in this at all any more!!

Hopefully put my liong over due post up right after Mac's next one :)

Shit, that's a long trek from San Menedez. I've got two other Corps in the area i could use one of those.

Jagada is on the Zarbia front so if you need opposition, Mac, i'm sure he'd be willing.

Jagada moved into Sarcanza - his 12th Army is there, soon to be completely besieging my three divisions which are besieging Pis-Sar.

Huh- it seems a lot of RPing is being done in this thread, a lot of routine stuff like troop movements, while all the big battles go into the IC thread.

Nah, all the roleplaying is done in the other thread. ;)

Huh- it seems a lot of RPing is being done in this thread, a lot of routine stuff like troop movements, while all the big battles go into the IC thread.
Some of the spin-offs are detailing major battles as well, just for the record, not neccessarily in Imperial Armies (which it is technically supposed to be the correct form of the name, as the War of Golden Succession hasn't ended yet and not all fighting parties have recognized the new regional order of Greater Dienstad as declared by the Emperor thanks to his nation's ally's internal collapse (Guffingford), but also in Haven thanks to a lost province of the Macabee Imperium (now a sovereign nation with a representative democracy, you get to see all sorts of government types in this conflict ranging from absolute monarchies to libertarian paradises). And not all the posts on the primary thread Athiesism, are about battles. Some of them detail character development and internal events within nations, and government stances, to name a few. Like the intro post at the beginning of APP....

Anyway, Mac, can you please respond to the telegram question regarding Fedala International? It can be either on this thread or via telegram.

Short answer, I'm too lazy.

The RP is definately slowing down. If you look at the previous post dates, there's normally one post every 2-3 days, or at least 3-7 days, but there hasn't been anything new in 2 weeks.

Remember what I said Athies....patience, oh patience. It will be paid off.

it'll get better. Mac wants this RP to have the biggest tank battle ever on NS. The next chapter will suppase even a huge battle.

Uh huh! We are all in this for the long haul...well most of us *cough SH2 cough*

However I can see my gradually-being-replaced Abrams being munched at this nice little battle we have coming up hehehehe, cant remember the last time I wrote about a tank brewing up :D

It's ok, of the 50,000 - 60,000 tanks I'm deploying to the Ishme-Dagan salient only ~1,000 will be Nakíls.

Ah, wars on the home front. About the only place you can get away with deploying tanks in those numbers. Ain't it grand?

Scary would be a better word- esspecialy for those in Haven Pact shoes.

Just so i know, what is the environment like along the border. Temperate Desert? I know Mac has a desert in the East of his nation but i don't know whether it spills into Safehaven.

The mental image i have of San Menedez and that area is a city in a desert with sparsely dotted shrubs and trees. If it's any different there or along the front then please tell so i don't put something silly in a post.

Ruska is mostly grassland, with some rolling country sides.

Seeing as XXX Corps is Stevid's answer to threats on the eastern front, and the new theatre is hundreds of miles away, could i do an explanatry post on one of my other two armoured Corps in Safehaven? They are of similar size and are (in theory) closers to the new front than XXX Corps, they are roughly of the same composition.

I'll move them in the direction of the Ruska Province but no more. Is that okay cuz I feal that i'm making more posts than waiting for other people to respond...and also because i want the thread to look a bit more active.

Ive got a post in the works, but RL has just been cutting down my time to write for it is all...

Gah, sorry for the wait. I will get a response in soon. Maybe on Monday, put your money on Tuesday. It will cover Aurillac, although I won't be able to write a summary on what's happened there before, and it will cover Targul Frumos, and it will set up everything for the lull in the fighting in September, where we will all gather strength for Ishme-Dagan. I'll also get a second post in for Jagada, and I will get a third post in for Weigar - both of these are still August, but unrelated to events in Ruska, so we don't need to wait for them.

Anybody still checking this thread? Please poke me more often and pressure me. I have recently been writing this Wikipedia article, which is my little Wikipedia article. Doesn't explain all my time away, but some of it - sure. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ch%27onma-ho

I also got a bit tired of roleplaying. I think I got semi-over that in my hiatus.

Regards. :)

I actually felt the same way for a while Mac, but now that I got my computer back up and running I should be availible. Meaning, be ready Jagada! :P

I still check the thread everytime I'm logged onto the forums, albeit that means only about four times a week but that will go up as we start to get more active again :)

I have a request,
My main force(naval and transport has been jammed up...well from my first post) waiting for Jag, since both our opening naval posts had some OOC confusion to location and timing and he has landed, I would like permission to assume that instead of the confrontation which seems to not be happening between us, the storm which cluttered the North route allowed our ships to "Pass in the Night" as it were--his naval forces return to their home port(or whatever port they had been heading for) and mine continue on to their rally point as if our forces had not been in a head to head position--because frankly even if I had been using oars to power my vessels they would have made land fall quite some time ago.

IF
However Jag chimes in and wants to do the Naval battle then cool, but I dont see that happening at the moment--I am not bitching about only having a Division in Theater, but, I might like to actually have a representative force.

Hey Jag, still alive? :P

I left you a more specific TG, but just in case you check here first, I was wondering if we were still on for Violence and Bloodshed. Plus, if you could hit me up on AIM I would appreciate it greatly.

Gah, H&K made the evil double post!

Hmm, so I did. Oh well, its fixed.

More general info for Mac: I am working my way through the Aurillac summary, so I assume it will be done around the weekend. Hopefully after I wrap that up we can get some shock paddles and get this RP going again.

Hello there all. I recently joined Greater Dienstad, and I'm making a request to be a part of A Passion Play. I'm still kind of new to the RPing community and my attempts at RPing on NationStates I would say aren't my best work. If anything, I would say I'm better at Character RPs than others, and most of the threads I've started or have been a part of have gone unfinished.

Anyway, for my three submissions of past experience. . .

1.)Civil War Erupts in Nueve Italia (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=378324&highlight=Nueve+Italia), my first ever attempt at RPing on NS. Not that good on my part, I must say, but hey, we all started somewhere.

2.)To Free A Nation. . . (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=467480&highlight=Nueve+Italia), a recent attempt but I lost interest in NS for a bit shortly after (school, work, I was flooded with things). Didn't finish once again.

3.)Lies, Poltics, and an Emperor's Son (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=452246&highlight=Nueve+Italia), in my opinion, my best RP so far. Pretty long, but I'd gander this is my best work on NS so far.

I realize that in most NS standards, I am a newb, but I assure you, I know how to RP and given the chance, I will do rather well. I've been looking to get involved in something since my return, and I consider this it, if you'll have me.

I'm still unsure of who to join, but for RP sake, I'll join either faction. If government policy has anything to do with it, Nueve Italia is a Conservative, Capitalist Imperial Republic with direct representation of the people through a Senate and a presiding Emperor who settles any major deliberations in the Senate.

Well, hope this is enough. Thanks for giving me your time.

A non-response is an affirmation.
"SHips in the Night" it is.

A non-response is an affirmation.
"SHips in the Night" it is.
What do you mean by "Ships in the Night"?

I havnt done it yet, but as you could have read in my previous post....

My main force(naval and transport has been jammed up...well from my first post) waiting for Jag, since both our opening naval posts had some OOC confusion to location and timing and he has landed, I would like permission to assume that instead of the confrontation which seems to not be happening between us, the storm which cluttered the North route allowed our ships to "Pass in the Night" as it were--his naval forces return to their home port(or whatever port they had been heading for) and mine continue on to their rally point as if our forces had not been in a head to head position--because frankly even if I had been using oars to power my vessels they would have made land fall quite some time ago.
I havnt done it is because I realized that since him and I left at the same time...I still grind about that a little...I can not RP just bypassing his ships because we also picked the same route and the same coast to land on, so if his ships leave it would leave my ships to rape his land forces...while I am not against doing that, I am against not giving him the chance to engage....so I will wait.

Hailandkill will post tonight and I will update the Wiki over the weekend and Monday. On Tuesday I will post for Jagada and review people's entry threads and such. People can post about Ishme-Dagan from thereafter, and I will get a post for preparations and such sometime after that.

Okay, the overview post is up!

I nearly killed myself writing it, and if you guys could let me know what you all think, I would greatly appreciate it.

Its very good H&K, Im not sure I've read a post quite like that..telling such a clear and accurate summary, for quite a while! Good stuff! I'm putting together an OOC post to just remind both myself and others where my assets are that are involved in this :)

To reiterate, I thought the post was great :D

Can you linky me a map of where Ishme is again Mac..I dont remember.
Great post Hail.

http://ns.goobergunch.net/wiki/index.php/War_of_Golden_Succession

Slightly upgraded. That means I copy and pasted my Mosnoi Bor post. It's too long. I have to spend tomorrow updating it. I have a test in Biology and then a Mathematics course. The rest of the day I have open to edit it to make a more general overview, including Aurillac and Weigar. After that I will make at least one post, which will be probably have to do with Jagada and Pir-Sar.

Questions:

Stevid and, most importantly, Independent Hitmen where are your fleets in respect to Otium Aqua? In accordance to a lend-lease agreement I have three new ports in Athiesism's northern islands. These are going to form the nucleus for the forming of a new fleet designed to wrestle control of Otium Aqua. I'm also going to station some other nasty stuff there. The bases should be ready to start basing large ships by the end of September, and the fleets should be ready by February (yes, a long time), but it's still important to know fleet dispositions within 2,800nm of that area of your fleets.

Thanks,

Jon

Ok...ill put up the numberw*nk bit here so that should help you Mac.

Basically my 9th and 12th Fleets are in the Otium Aqua...or arrayed around it. I would have it so there is one major formation floating around from each Fleet, although some of the vessels will be in Stevidian ports for minor maintenance that I can see going on during the slight lull that we've had after the battle in the Otium Aqua and the little excursion to Kanami and back.

My battleship squadron (the Renown, four Prince of Wales and two Royal Sovereigns+9carriers) is back in Stevidian waters minding its own business, its a fleet in itself but is attached to IH 9th for the sake of this operation but not actually with them.

Right so 9th Fleet is approximately 18 carriers, 4 battleships, 22 Missile Cruisers for its principle combatents and I figure they would be reasonably far into the sea patrolling with Stevidian assets.

IH 12th Fleet is on standby to escort amphibious landing craft and transports so will be nearer to Stevid but still within a couple of days sailing of 9th Fleet. Principle combatents include 15 carriers,1 dreadnought, 7 battleships, 25 Missile Cruisers.

I'm working on numbers for those escorts.

IH 4th and 14th Fleets have moved off towards Kanami, total strength there is 32 Fast Carriers and 6 escort Carriers, 9 Fire support battleships, 38 Missile Cruisers.

IH 2nd Fleet is also on route from my homeland, but I dont see them arriving until early-mid October at the fastest.

All of my sub positions are up in the air at the moment as I'm still trying to work out how many would be available with maintenance cycles/your subs who have probably engaged some by now.

Hope that helps!

The Sledgehammer II: http://z13.invisionfree.com/The_NS_Draftroom/index.php?showtopic=3259

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I have a huge paper due on Wenesday, so most of this week and the next I'm going to be spending on that. I'll try to continue to update the Wiki.

Mek, TG.

Well seeing as Stevid is right ext to Otium Aqua i have a alot of naval assests in that region of sea.

The 1st, 3rd and 4th Fleets are stationed to defend Otium Aqua. The 1st and 3rd Fleet's ports are on the mian Stevidian Mainland while the 4th is in Rubet Island's Western coastline.

The entire 2nd Fleet, usually stationed to protect the eastern shores of Stevid is currently preparing for war against Kanami in Hanover waters.
The 5th Fleet, as you well know Mac, is far too under strength to fight a major battle and is now being used as south coast protector, their home port of Portsmoth (nuked) is undergoing full time harbour repairs.

The 6th Fleet is standing by on the West coast of Stevid, other illigitimate fleets like the 7 though to ten are like patrol boats, corvettes and older shipping units used for patrols and anti piracy.

Numbers in the fleet vairy but each now has at the most four SDNs and usually a minimum of 15 Command Battleships and 20 carriers (various class). Main numbers i will post when needed, but that's about it.

RP wise, should we worry about rping with the Sledehammer II? I mean should we be fully aware of any certain things while rping so no mistakes are made?

The Sledgehammer II will make its debut in my second attempt to take Otium Aqua, so it should not be well known ICly.

Screw the Wiki. A timeline is coming in the next post.

War of Golden Succession Timeline!

2016


Weigari Front

May 14 - May 26: First Battle of Mons Dei (http://ns.goobergunch.net/wiki/index.php/First_Battle_of_Mons_Dei?goobergunch1_session=5bed54390f0fb934c29bc412084a4b42) [Hail&Kill/Empire vs. Weigari rebels; Imperial defeat]
June 4 - June 14: Second Battle of Mons Dei [Hail&kill vs. Weigari rebels; Imperial victory]
June 6 - July 12: Battle of the River Nestor [Empire vs. Weigari rebels; Imperial victory]
July 13 - August 3: Rest period
August 4 - ?: Battle of Viusbi [Not yet roleplayed]

Ruskan Front

June 5 - July 27: Border Battles [Empire vs. Safehaven2; Imperial defeat]
August 1 - August 22: Battle of Mosnoi Bor [Empire vs. Safehaven2; Imperial victory]
August 3 - August 22: Battle of Aurillac [Hailandkill vs. Safehaven2; Imperial victory]
August 22 - October 7: Mop-up period and rest period
October 8 - ?: Battle of Ishme-Dagan

Sarcanzan Front

May 26 - June 1: Battle of Prokhorovka [Empire vs. Sarcanza; Imperial defeat]
May 28 - August 1?: Siege of Marsa Bruth [Empire vs. Sarcanza; Imperial defeat]
July 22 - August 3: Battle of the Gates of Hell [Empire vs. Sarcanza; Imperial victory]
August 5 - ?: Siege of Pir-Sar

Naval Battles

June 7 - August 2: Siege of Targul Frumos [Hail&kill/Empire vs. Safehaven2; Imperial victory]
June 13: Raid on Feathermore Trench [Malatose vs Empire; nuclear exchange]
August 14 - August 23: First Battle of Otium Aqua Sea [Empire vs. Stevid/IH; tactical Imperial victory, strategic defeat]

Mek, TG.okay... and you need to talk to me why?

okay... and you need to talk to me why?
About relations and as such, I'll explain more. Nothing harmful or nasty.

Oh, an addition to the forces in Otium Aqua. We can't forget Questers, his presence in the region of sea is...well...unmisable.

I can't remember his fleet composition so you'll have to ask him. In short really you have three major naval powers in the Otium Aqua.

Alrighty, I'm back -- again. I'm currently applying to colleges, but in the next few months I should basically be totally done with school in general. I was posting as Sarcanza, but I think I have long lost that account, so I was thinking about just using this account to post as them. I'll try and keep up with this thread to see whats happening.

http://pdfdirectory.modernwarstudies.net/images/Ishme-Dagan.png

That looks ugly.

That looks ugly.

Yea, I based it off your mom. J/k. Meh, it's just a map. Screw it.

Yea, I based it off your mom. J/k. Meh, it's just a map. Screw it.

I meant ugly to take and stuff. The map itself is nice and detailed.

HailandKill: Ugly? Looks okay to me man......even though green may not be my favorite color.

The Macabees: Thanks for the mention.....but, what's the IC reason why Fedor chose to exile his father to Southeast Asia?

When I was writing it I was trying to think of a plausible country to exile him to. The parameters were basic; allies or at least friendly to Fedor and states that are known for their fair treatment. The two names that popped in my head were Pacitalia and yours. Unfortunately, neither of you were around to ask, and so I thought you would very likely be open to the idea and it would make sense as I'm sure that we will have healthy post-war relations (given that we just joined the war against Kraven).

When I was writing it I was trying to think of a plausible country to exile him to. The parameters were basic; allies or at least friendly to Fedor and states that are known for their fair treatment. The two names that popped in my head were Pacitalia and yours. Unfortunately, neither of you were around to ask, and so I thought you would very likely be open to the idea and it would make sense as I'm sure that we will have healthy post-war relations (given that we just joined the war against Kraven).
Ah, I see. Thanks. I'm open to the idea. What plans do you have for him while in SEA?

What plans do you have for him while in SEA?

I don't know, I'm still trying to figure out how to make him into a long term character.

Mac: Do you still have the map of the Visubi area?

Also, for this campaign I have a few questions.
1) What are the rules here in terms of civilian damage? Can I destroy it on site or do I have to use discretion?
2)I am assuming I am swinging around in the south, cutting off all chances of Wiegari's being able to exit from the south, then taking each town? (Like a surround it, then take strategy)'
3)Are the Cougars out by now?

Mac: Do you still have the map of the Visubi area?

It was linked in the post, and it's linked on the first post of this thread.
What are the rules here in terms of civilian damage? Can I destroy it on site or do I have to use discretion?

I rather not have wanton destruction in the area, but you are allowed to do what you need to do in order to insure the fastest advance possible.

I am assuming I am swinging around in the south, cutting off all chances of Wiegari's being able to exit from the south, then taking each town? (Like a surround it, then take strategy)'

Bypass the towns with your armor and occupy them with your mop-up infantry. In the post I wrote I mention a town where we need to link up - I can't remember which right now, but it's mentioned in the post.

Are the Cougars out by now?

They were out at the River Nestor (June 2016). The Nakíl isn't.

Hello there all. I recently joined Greater Dienstad, and I'm making a request to be a part of A Passion Play. I'm still kind of new to the RPing community and my attempts at RPing on NationStates I would say aren't my best work. If anything, I would say I'm better at Character RPs than others, and most of the threads I've started or have been a part of have gone unfinished.

Anyway, for my three submissions of past experience. . .

1.)Civil War Erupts in Nueve Italia (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=378324&highlight=Nueve+Italia), my first ever attempt at RPing on NS. Not that good on my part, I must say, but hey, we all started somewhere.

2.)To Free A Nation. . . (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=467480&highlight=Nueve+Italia), a recent attempt but I lost interest in NS for a bit shortly after (school, work, I was flooded with things). Didn't finish once again.

3.)Lies, Poltics, and an Emperor's Son (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=452246&highlight=Nueve+Italia), in my opinion, my best RP so far. Pretty long, but I'd gander this is my best work on NS so far.

I realize that in most NS standards, I am a newb, but I assure you, I know how to RP and given the chance, I will do rather well. I've been looking to get involved in something since my return, and I consider this it, if you'll have me.

I'm still unsure of who to join, but for RP sake, I'll join either faction. If government policy has anything to do with it, Nueve Italia is a Conservative, Capitalist Imperial Republic with direct representation of the people through a Senate and a presiding Emperor who settles any major deliberations in the Senate.

Well, hope this is enough. Thanks for giving me your time.
*nudges Mac in for Nueve Italia in order to get Mac to pay attention to Nueve Italia's statement*

I'm open to letting you in. Are you interested in joining one of the two sides? Thought up of a cassus belli?

Hey Spiz, I have a sneaking suspicion that you are returning fire to my 7th Fleet? If so then I had assumed that we had moved on from that and I did have them down as having cycled out of the region and being rebased to IH with my 2nd Fleet having taken over.

Not sure if we want to RP that as an engagement from ages ago (kinda an historical post out of time sync) or if we just want to swap it to another fleet of mine, or just leave it with no casualties and await the next round of naval combat which I think can't be too far away?

I'm open to letting you in. Are you interested in joining one of the two sides? Thought up of a cassus belli?

Thank you for allowing me in. For RP's sake, I will join either side where I am needed, I don't have much of a preference. That being said then, I don't have a ready justification for my nation's entrance to the war, but as soon as I know where I will stand, I will let that be known.

Please inform me if I must choose one side or the other. Thank you once again.

Thank you for allowing me in. For RP's sake, I will join either side where I am needed, I don't have much of a preference. That being said then, I don't have a ready justification for my nation's entrance to the war, but as soon as I know where I will stand, I will let that be known.

Please inform me if I must choose one side or the other. Thank you once again.
How about a gist.....the dying Emperor chose his grandson over his own son to be the successor.....instead of Heinreich the First of the Second Empire of the Golden Throne, it would be Fedor the First of the Second Empire of the Golden Throne. The Prince got jealous, caused a civil war that spread thanks to politicians in Safehaven2, then it turned into a regional war and then an international war.....

I hope no one minds I take little liberty with my force that is "in country" as my naval force it trapped inthe twilight zone waiting for Jags post.

Iwont do anythign too crazy..hell I cant its the smallest force in theater.

Just to note, I'm still alive and kicking. Just waiting for the RP to ramp up again for Ishme-Dagon.

Hey Spiz, I have a sneaking suspicion that you are returning fire to my 7th Fleet? If so then I had assumed that we had moved on from that and I did have them down as having cycled out of the region and being rebased to IH with my 2nd Fleet having taken over.

Not sure if we want to RP that as an engagement from ages ago (kinda an historical post out of time sync) or if we just want to swap it to another fleet of mine, or just leave it with no casualties and await the next round of naval combat which I think can't be too far away?

I am returning fire against the 7th fleet, so if youve done that, swap it for another fleet of yours and wel get on with it

Ok dokey, Ill try and get a post up sometime tomorrow!

Just so I know, when so we expect a full blown ground conflict to erupt in the Ishme-Dagon region? I just need to brush up on my Armoured Corp there and unit statistics (both mine and everyone elses) before the battles start raging.

Just so I know, when so we expect a full blown ground conflict to erupt in the Ishme-Dagon region? I just need to brush up on my Armoured Corp there and unit statistics (both mine and everyone elses) before the battles start raging.

Whenever Safehaven2 says he can post.

Stevid, you have any problems with my posts so far about LaRS operations and SU penetration in IShme?

Mac, I am just wondering how you think I should tackle the push into Wiegar post. Do you think I should write-up something for every city on the way to Visubi or just give an overall summary of taking the towns, and then go into the first pushes at Visubi?

I have been thinking it over and couldn't come up with anything so your input would be appreciated.

Stevid,

I've been looking for a way to enter this RP. At first, my plan was for the Havenic pact to see me as a puppet of the Macabees, which convinced Safehaven to invade my island. However, it seems like Safehaven will be away for a while, so can you blockade or invade my island?

Here's (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=452919) my old factbook- ignore the FT parts. I'm a mid-size island nation, with jungles in parts and open terrain in others. My navy consists of about 100 Athena light carriers, 600 Erschoff destroyers, 200 Shark SSGNs, and a large fleet of mine warfare and support vessels. All of this is bought from Aquetio- http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=414464&page=47&highlight=athiesism .

I'm interested in some naval action, and since you're the biggest naval power in the region, this should be good. I don't mind that my fleet is much smaller than yours.

Mac has built military bases on my territory, so that should be plenty of justification for you to invade. What do you think?

Stevid,

I've been looking for a way to enter this RP. At first, my plan was for the Havenic pact to see me as a puppet of the Macabees, which convinced Safehaven to invade my island. However, it seems like Safehaven will be away for a while, so can you blockade or invade my island?

Here's (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=452919) my old factbook- ignore the FT parts. I'm a mid-size island nation, with jungles in parts and open terrain in others. My navy consists of about 100 Athena light carriers, 600 Erschoff destroyers, 200 Shark SSGNs, and a large fleet of mine warfare and support vessels. All of this is bought from Aquetio- http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=414464&page=47&highlight=athiesism .

I'm interested in some naval action, and since you're the biggest naval power in the region, this should be good. I don't mind that my fleet is much smaller than yours.

Mac has built military bases on my territory, so that should be plenty of justification for you to invade. What do you think?


Biggest naval power? You flatter me sir, your good at that :D Sure no problem, i would initially say no but seeing as youhave Golden Throne bases on your land that gives me the excuse you provided.

So yes- besides, i've got three fleets sitting around Otium Aqua and my homeland, one sitting in port for emergency defence and another at war with Kanami. Some naval action would be great and a small ground war with some professional troops to test my new tanks on will be great. Sounds good :)

Stevid, you have any problems with my posts so far about LaRS operations and SU penetration in IShme?

No, not really. I'm assuming they're like special forces or something and are laser designating (or something similar) key targets?

Sorry to Spiz, I'm still writing the post and its taking a lot longer than I thought it would to get everything in it....up as soon as possible!

Mac, I am just wondering how you think I should tackle the push into Wiegar post. Do you think I should write-up something for every city on the way to Visubi or just give an overall summary of taking the towns, and then go into the first pushes at Visubi?

I have been thinking it over and couldn't come up with anything so your input would be appreciated.

We're not meeting at Viusbi. We're meeting at Respít. The more specific it is, probably the better. Whatever floats your boat. It's up to you what makes writing fun.

No, not really. I'm assuming they're like special forces or something and are laser designating (or something similar) key targets?

Well, they will be laser designating but they are also going to engage your units in small unit warfare ala "swarm warfare", SEE: Asymetrical Tactics.

However all of my in theater assets combined are Division(Over Strength), The primary combatants will be using your basic combat concepts of camoflage, obscuration, counter-air(assuming you have parity with Mac), mines, traps, snipers, swarming tactics, light infantry, rapid artillery, my forces are incapable of engaging you in a conventional sense so I am planning on loosing all of my armor assets in the first 24 to 48 hours.

The Vel division is however all special forces, so they have an advantage in experience and training over engaging your regulars---no human wave stuff.

Butthey are seeking to provoke an agressive response--when I start my offensive I will make it clear, and explain it here as well.

I just want you to think I was god modding by sending SUs into your area--they wont move in anything larger then platoon sized elements....and more often then that it will be 2 man teams unless they are using a crew served weapon which requires more.

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Well, I do have an expanded suggestion to that....

Why not make Safehaven2, in spite of his inactivity, indirectly involved as well? Let's keep the Athiesism being a puppet state of the Golden Throne idea, and have Safehaven2 still being in a state of mass national paranoia. But however, thanks to the Macabee Kriermada, their navy is smashed and their other forces are tied up in order to strike up against the Merkar Republic of Athiesism.

So they pass on information and their suspicisions and orders and else such Havenite Pact military affairs to Stevid, which gladly obliges....

Well, I do have an expanded suggestion to that....

Why not make Safehaven2, in spite of his inactivity, indirectly involved as well? Let's keep the Athiesism being a puppet state of the Golden Throne idea, and have Safehaven2 still being in a state of mass national paranoia. But however, thanks to the Macabee Kriermada, their navy is smashed and their other forces are tied up in order to strike up against the Merkar Republic of Athiesism.

So they pass on information and their suspicisions and orders and else such Havenite Pact military affairs to Stevid, which gladly obliges....

Nice idea, if we wait for Safehaven2 for too long the RP might die. Indirectly involving SH2 works well, but remember than i'm not the only guy in the theatre- Independent Hitmen has a major presence in West Safehaven and could make it to the battle. Passing info on to me makes Stevid sound like a C&C.

Im gonna put an OOC post up again to detail my Ground Forces in theatre once ive finished the IC post for the naval thingy. Sorry about the time, but I've been ill so lying around in bed with no wanting to do anything. Getting over it so I'm gonna finish it up today.

Where exactly is The Merkar Republic located on the map Mac?

It should be the island cluster just E of Safehaven- you may have been looking at an old map. But just remember that I'm a bunch of small to mid-size islands.

It should be the island cluster just E of Safehaven- you may have been looking at an old map. But just remember that I'm a bunch of small to mid-size islands.

Ah! now i see where i'm going...i had this mental image you were North of Mac.

Seeing as your just a short hop away from the Otium Aqau Sea it'll take little more than a five hour trip to reach the hot zone...

That's made the RPing a bit easier because i hate assuming things when writing, hurts the role-playing.

Mac, a couple of questions out of my own curious little mind:

Did you receive my telegram?
What is the culture of the your people like (and in general how are they)?

Ah! now i see where i'm going...i had this mental image you were North of Mac.

Seeing as your just a short hop away from the Otium Aqau Sea it'll take little more than a five hour trip to reach the hot zone...

That's made the RPing a bit easier because i hate assuming things when writing, hurts the role-playing.

I kind of had the same idea. I thought you were my neighbor to the south.

"Five Hour Trip"- is there a scale on the GD map? Because I'd like to see what the population density is like for the 7 billion pop countries. :p

I've put up my authorized Division Strengths on my reference thread and a list of my land forces in SH2 and Stevid will go up on it sometime tomorrow along with my post here. Its mainly a large overview post with general chitter chatter about everything under the sun with exception to the Spizanian Fleet part :) Once again sorry for the delay!

That is the link to my reference thread if anybody is interested in Division strengths. [They are on the last post]

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=485628

Must apolagise for the delay in my post. Kanami is becoming difficult and 350 missiles hasn't quite forced him to submission so i've got to do two loooong posts in a few days.

I'm busy tonight so i can safely say that i won't have any up today.

Sorry about the post, its not particularly brilliant and has taken far too long! The ground force stuff is just preparatory rambling really, something that is being planned but far from fruition, my men are barely at the front.

Spiz do you have a rough number of those missiles? I've looked them up on Kriegzimmer etc I just need a number!

About 750 Shockhound-ER missiles

Very nice post Stevid... I'm afraid that it shamed mine by a longshot. :gundge: Well, mine gets better toward the end IMO.

A question, do you live in the UK or were you born there?

Very nice post Stevid... I'm afraid that it shamed mine by a longshot. :gundge: Well, mine gets better toward the end IMO.

A question, do you live in the UK or were you born there?

Thanks for the complement.

And to answer your question: Born and bred in Merry old England, Northamptonshire, dedicated and practising Catholic yet, in contradiction to itself, i am loyal to the throne and my country- a true patriot without boasting too much ;)

Why do you ask?

:p Just curious.

I screwed up a few places in the first post, it seems. It seems to me like you're trying to be nice without calling me a godmodder- just say so. It's pretty ridiculous for the Su-35K to have a 200kph takeoff speed, bump that up to 300. Also, I get the impression that you think that my casualties were a little low for such a major surprise attack. 100 out of 600 destroyers, 1,000 out of 6,000 airplanes, 34 out of 100 carriers... if you would like to bump those loss figures up I'd agree with you.

Also, Stevid, I noticed your fleet manifest doesn't have any subs listed. Are those part of the 120 miscellaneous ships or do you simply not like submarines?

:p Just curious.

I screwed up a few places in the first post, it seems. It seems to me like you're trying to be nice without calling me a godmodder- just say so. It's pretty ridiculous for the Su-35K to have a 200kph takeoff speed, bump that up to 300. Also, I get the impression that you think that my casualties were a little low for such a major surprise attack. 100 out of 600 destroyers, 1,000 out of 6,000 airplanes, 34 out of 100 carriers... if you would like to bump those loss figures up I'd agree with you.

Also, Stevid, I noticed your fleet manifest doesn't have any subs listed. Are those part of the 120 miscellaneous ships or do you simply not like submarines?

If you got the idea that i was politly callin you a godmodder then you're wrong. Honestly i thought you casualty listings were very good. I mean, your whole fleet isn't there and so as long as i destroyed a fair number of ships and planes as well as seriously damaged your guys' morale then i'm fine. About the take-off speed, it doesn't matter cuz i'm crap with planes and it sounded like a made up plane so i thought it probably could take-off in 200kph.... i'm that gulable! :D

About the submarines, they are there.... lots of them. But it seems you don't well my nation well enough to know why i haven't listed them so i'll tell you. The policy on submarines in Stevid is a seriously secret one. We don't deney we have them but we do not disclose numbers, positions or even names of our submairnes to any one... not even our allies. I'm reluctant to even say which region of sea they are in to either friend or foe. As far as submarines are concerned, Stevid is still living in the Cold War era of things.

I can tell you that the numbers are between twenty and fifty-five, but not the classes... that's saying too much ;)

Good to see you guys role-playing, Stevid and Athiesism....you've made some good reads. But one gripe I got - you guys didn't leave a Macabee Imperial calender date for the surprise attack and operation. Or a name for the battle. How about.....Battle for the Merkar Archipelago?

"Archipelago?" Not quite. If you have to give it a name, call it Kentangi Point Harbor. After all, we know the Japanese surprise attack as simpy "Pearl Harbor".

As for the date, I don't quite know how the Macabbean callendar works, not that Merkaris would really care, but whatever date it is now would be fine. Somewhere late in 2016?

Hello. I am interested in joining this RP as it is composed of very good RPers and seems to have an engaging plot and storyline. I've read over the requirements and feel myself qualified for all but one: having engaged in three successful RPs.

So far, I've only done one war RP, and unfortunately it was with a n00b. However, I feel that I managed to keep my side of it up nicely, but eventually I got fed up with the way he RPed (and capitalized the first letter of every word) and let it die. The IC explanation of this was an armistice and withdrawal of Kombran forces. Here is the link: Kombra Invades Khorvania (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=495450&highlight=Kombra)

My factbook and military statistics are unfortunately quite out of date (they reflect my statistics at the time of that RP rather than now). However, before I start RPing here (if I'm accepted) I will go through and update them to reflect my current standing.

The alliance I'd be interested in fighting for is the Northern Alliance of the Macabees.

And looking back I seem to have an absurd ratio of vehicles to personnel, I'll fix that in the update.

Revolution! (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=501522&highlight=King+Toad+II)

Make that two war RPs, here I help my ally King Toad II suppress a revolution in his country.

People are too lazy to say "yes" to you, so a lack of response is an acceptance. Say where you want your nation to be on the map (http://pdfdirectory.modernwarstudies.net/images/map.png). You will also have to come up with a way to get your nation into the war- feel free to discuss it here.

Yo Spiz- Knowing these are ICBMs, am i assuming correctly that these are non-nuclear. If i'm wrong then say so although i would rather you not throw ICBMs at me....they have a tendency to kill a lot of people.... i don't want that because i want to win...

Bearing in mind though, i certainly won't shoot down a large majority but i will shoot down a fair few. Recently i have prided myself on my tracking and destroying technology. The Defiler Class Command and Control Cruiser is one example as they will see these missiles a long time before they start the free-fall to Earth.

If i had my new Hanover Class though, the stroy would be much different, i'd be shooting down loads more warheads....but my shipyards don't work miriciles and can't pump out brand new ships THAT quickly........you got lucky. :D

Stevid, they are monster ICBMs that carry uber heavy AShMs that will proceed to kill your ships. They are non nuclear and are designed to be SD killers.

IH here, can't log in as main nation for some reason! Is usually fixed by a restart which I'll do in a moment.

My post has been delayed as I kinda forgot all about it, hopefully it will be up before the End of the Year, but Im rather busy between now and the 3rd so cant promise anything.

Stevid you have a couple of TG's mate :)

Spizania, this RP depends on people who roleplay well. I don't mean to be offensive, but please write longer posts, give the other guy a chance to fight back, and come up with a sensible reason to enter the war. There's also a convention on NS that you shouldn't use nukes or ICBMs unless you have a articulated reason for doing so. Sorry, man, but until other APP members have their say your post is probably going to be ignored.

Can my nation be transplanted onto the point farthest east on the island northeast of Stevid? It seems to be unclaimed. My nations is fairly small (11,000 some square miles) and shouldn't distort the map at all.

Is there any anti-merchant shipping campaign going on? Possibly a Haven Pact submarine or aircraft could mistake a Khorvanian freighter for an enemy vessel and sink it, drawing me in on the side of the Northern Alliance.

Spizania, this RP depends on people who roleplay well. I don't mean to be offensive, but please write longer posts, give the other guy a chance to fight back, and come up with a sensible reason to enter the war. There's also a convention on NS that you shouldn't use nukes or ICBMs unless you have a articulated reason for doing so. Sorry, man, but until other APP members have their say your post is probably going to be ignored.
Okay, i use a legitimate weapon and my post gets ignored? The khan-class missile is manufactured by ZMI and i believe is up for sale on Kriegzimmer. Oh, and this is war, usually a nations Generals will do whatever they can get away with to kill the enemy. And Stevidian commanders will have intel that i have the Khan, since i just blew several IH ships out of the water with them. Theyl also have sat intel that shows dozens of marked Khan Missile Launch Containers in the open, and theyl also have intel that Spizania has no land based ballistic missiles.

Well on MS Word i've got a huge 4 page post ready but i said that the ICBMs were freefall before i read this or before i read the NS wiki article on the missile.

However the post reasonable explains how i'm going to shoot down some of the missiles so i'm letting, out of the thousand or so you fired at me, 300-500 getting through the anti-ballistic missile missiles. However, according to the diagram of the NS wiki article the missile switches to sea skimming or least flies at a steady 180 degree plane before it hits the ship....so knowing this, does this mean that they are prone to CIWS, AMM fire. Also after reading the article the missile relies alot on technological guidance aids so that would make the missiles prone to "accidents" because of Electronic Warfare?

Correct?

I just want to be sure before i post.

It will be vulnerable to AAMs, however the CIWS wont do much good, since by the time it reaches CIWS range, it will be moving at Mach 11, and even if you screw with it big time, the scrap metal youve turned the missile into, will hit the ship at close to Mach 11, which isnt going to be nice to watch. And even if it explodes, itl go up with the force of a small tacnuke

Sorry, I don't exactly know that much about military hardware, but how can you propel a missile to Mach 11?

Also, what do you guys think about my entry idea?

With a rather large rocket motor

It would be possible to send a missile flying at Mach 11, although above about Mach 7 it can't manuever effectively. In other words, if you fire your Mach 11 missile at the enemy fleet a thousand miles away, 1) you're going to need some way to track the targets (you never specified how you got your target data even if you did spot them by satellite, I guess that you could shadow the target with satellites but Stevid has some good sat-killer weaponry), and 2), if Stevid's fleet makes just a slight change of course or takes some evasive action your ICBMs are going to be way off the mark by the time they reach the target 15 minutes later. In RL, although the land-target Tomahawk can reach 1,000 miles away, the sea-launch version has a range of only 200-300 miles; beyond that range you simply can't accurately guess where the target will be when the missiles arrive. Not sure about the force of a tactical nuke bit, either. Anyway, it's Stevid's ships, it's up to him.

As for Khorvania, it's up to Stevid whether he'll give you the land or not. Telegram him if you want to get his attention.

If that island is under Stevid's control, I don't think I want to be there, since I intend to join the Northern Alliance and don't want to be conquered immediately. I think I'd rather border Hailandkill or Lame Buns. I'll TG them about it.

No offense intended Spizania, but I have to agree with the player of Athiesism: your posts seriously need a lot of work.

And oh, Athiesism, the Centaur-X-class is made by the Freethinker Defense Industries Group of The Freethinkers, not Clan Smoke Jaguar's premier defense-contracting firm, Clan Smoke Jaguar Military Industries (CSJMI)....however, Stevid does procure a lot of ground warfare and aerial warfare equipment from that firm, and as does his ally, Independent Hitmen. Just nitpicking a minor IC error....well, um, is it one?

If you want to border me, thats fine.

It would be possible to send a missile flying at Mach 11, although above about Mach 7 it can't manuever effectively. In other words, if you fire your Mach 11 missile at the enemy fleet a thousand miles away, 1) you're going to need some way to track the targets (you never specified how you got your target data even if you did spot them by satellite, I guess that you could shadow the target with satellites but Stevid has some good sat-killer weaponry), and 2), if Stevid's fleet makes just a slight change of course or takes some evasive action your ICBMs are going to be way off the mark by the time they reach the target 15 minutes later. In RL, although the land-target Tomahawk can reach 1,000 miles away, the sea-launch version has a range of only 200-300 miles; beyond that range you simply can't accurately guess where the target will be when the missiles arrive. Not sure about the force of a tactical nuke bit, either. Anyway, it's Stevid's ships, it's up to him.

As for Khorvania, it's up to Stevid whether he'll give you the land or not. Telegram him if you want to get his attention.

Mach 11 is the TERMINAL velocity, it travels about Mach 5 or something until the target is dead in its sites, then it fires the final stage booster and accelerates to Mach 11 about four seconds before impact. And its warhead weighs in at about 5.6 tonnes. And the smallest tacnuke detonation on record is 12 tonnes of TNT. Being as the relative effectiveness of ONC and other NS generation explosives means that the results are in the same order of magnitude.

If you want to border me, thats fine.
Oh, and HailandKill, remember our little chat over AIM involving the Merkar Republic?

You said you were to exchange embassies, bud diplomatic relations, and possibly help the Merkar Republic against the Stevidian Empire......

Who does the map?

Macabbees. He hasn't been online for a week or so, so be patient. :gundge:

And oh, Athiesism, the Centaur-X-class is made by the Freethinker Defense Industries Group of The Freethinkers, not Clan Smoke Jaguar's premier defense-contracting firm, Clan Smoke Jaguar Military Industries (CSJMI)....however, Stevid does procure a lot of ground warfare and aerial warfare equipment from that firm, and as does his ally, Independent Hitmen. Just nitpicking a minor IC error....well, um, is it one?

Looks like the Stevid MoD website got it wrong again... that thing needs to be updated. Colonel Gartu also needs to buy new ship recognition guide.

SEA, sorry I haven't been on AIM, but over the holiday season my sister has been over and my parents have stayed home all day. In the morning there's always either my sister using the phoneline or my parents preventing me from going on AIM. After about the first week of January I should be online more.

Reply post maybe a long time coming- over a week because of A" mock exams and AS Retake exams.

I'm afraid they have priority over this.

Speaking over posts, is my fleet expected to survive this missile attack? Because after all the explainations their isn't going to be much left. As for SDN killing missiles, you say they sea skim for the final leg at mach 11? Well good luck killing all the major ships because of the escorts getting in the way of a line of sight. At Mach 11 these missiles won't be able to evade obstructions very well at all.

It makes sense that any SSMs would run into the outer ring of escorts first. The SDN killing missiles will run into the ships that my Mits already killed, or my Mits will run into the ships that the SDN killers already killed. My Mits have all been targeted on destroyers, frigates, and corvettes, so your cruiser, BB, carrier and SDN fleets are untouched. Still gives you a fleet stronger than mine.

Started an article regarding Stevid and Athiesism for the crew (http://ns.goobergunch.net/wiki/index.php/Battle_for_Kentangi_Point_Harbor). It isn't much now, but it can be improved upon over time.

Thanks, SEA. I was thinking of getting the Wiki stuff done after the war is over, but we'll see.

The missiles will probably come in in sort of dispersed wedge, so they are all in one corridor, the lead missiles will probably destroy your escorts, but as more missiles hit, theyl penetrate the rings of escorts so about fourteen or fifteen missiles strike the SDs themselves

For all the other people who wanted to join this rolplay, but sorry, I'm going to have to say no. It's not because you don't make the standards, but it's because I don't have time to deal with more people in this role play. I'm going to try to respond mornings in the Uni library, but otherwise I don't have much time to post.

Hi! Just got wind of this thread, and I heard it was good roleplay. Unfortunately, I seemed to have missed the cut off time for application. I'll read up on these threads anyway, and hope, if there's an open space at some point, I'll be able to get in. While I haven't been an active member of the IADF for awhile, I do know that it's member-nations are generally good roleplayers. :)

Of course you can follow the thread. One of the most popular war threads on NS and certainly one of the Best. I'f you want to show you like it then vote the thread 5 STARS!

Can Stevid's invasion of Atheisism be in another thread? I want to keep everything organized and I want it to be easy for me to reply to all these threads. In early September I begin the construction of three major ports on the Western coast/island of Atheisism - a base for a major fleet and a large supply of new missiles. Two of three bases should be completed by January 2017 and the third by March. In February I had planned a new naval deployment to Otium Aqua, although now it seems we'll have to focus on the defense of Atheisism.

Good idea, Mac. Since it's Stevid's turn to post, I'll leave it to him to set up the thread, although if I come out with another post first then I'll start. Call it "Old War, New Battleground: War of the Athiesism Islands", unless you can think of a better name.

Sorry that we started the war while you were away. For the most part we've assumed that your involvement has been pretty passive, Macabbean bases have been ignored and their forces in Athiesism have kept to themselves, but it's only been a week into the war and we can easily "insert" some Macabbean actions here or there. IMO it'd be a bad idea to "rewind" the action and restart the war to allow Mac to participate from the beginning, but it's doable.

edit: I assumed that this war started early January 2017, although Mac, we can move that forward if you want to get more forces in-theater. It would make sense, though, that Stevid would strike early before your buildup would be complete. Also, it would explain your late entry.

Good idea, Mac. Since it's Stevid's turn to post, I'll leave it to him to set up the thread, although if I come out with another post first then I'll start. Call it "Old War, New Battleground: War of the Athiesism Islands", unless you can think of a better name.

Sorry that we started the war while you were away. For the most part we've assumed that your involvement has been pretty passive, Macabbean bases have been ignored and their forces in Athiesism have kept to themselves, but it's only been a week into the war and we can easily "insert" some Macabbean actions here or there. IMO it'd be a bad idea to "rewind" the action and restart the war to allow Mac to participate from the beginning, but it's doable.

edit: I assumed that this war started early January 2017, although Mac, we can move that forward if you want to get more forces in-theater. It would make sense, though, that Stevid would strike early before your buildup would be complete. Also, it would explain your late entry.
Athiesism, I like the title, but drop the "War of the Athiesism Islands", it makes it sound extra and unwieldy - "Old War, New Battleground" sounds good enough. But nevertheless, I have a suggestion, "Forged In A Fire of Animosity".

And Mac, it appears you need to respond to this.....click! (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=12097764&postcount=451)

I probably received your telegram - I haven't checked. In regards to the culture of the people of the Empire - it depends on which part of the Empire. What part of the culture are you interested in? Society, religion, et cetera.

I probably received your telegram - I haven't checked. In regards to the culture of the people of the Empire - it depends on which part of the Empire. What part of the culture are you interested in? Society, religion, et cetera.
I see. As for the culture of the Second Empire of the Golden Throne. I want to know the whole thing and the whole deal, in every part of the Golden Throne.

Thanks for starting the thread, Stevid. I have a post about the Pragem that I was working on and I'll put that up first. I'll get the pilot RP post up later.

And here is the thread link so that Mac can add it to the front later:

Battle for Athiesism Island (Atten: Athiesism) (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=515403)

Don't worry about the Space Union purchases thing, Stevid. Your intelligence would find that out quickly anyway. The convoys carrying the purchases are heading for south Athiesism. I don't know what escort Space Union is giving to them but I'll send 10 destroyers to guard them. You could probably do an air or submarine attack on them if you want.

I put up a new post, Stevid- answer at your own pace because I know that you agree with Mac in slowing things down. A question, are my posts a little too long and naseating to read, especially my latest 15-page one?