NationStates Jolt Archive

Active Army:
1x HQ Unit
Army Reserve:
2x Infantry Division
2x Mechanized Infantry Division
2x Flak Units
Rapid Response Unit:
2x Light Marine Brigade
2x Mechanized Light Marine Brigade
2x Airborne Brigade
Auxilary Air Arm:
6x Transport Helicopter (Average Pilots)
6x Attack Helicopter (Average Pilots)
3x C141 Transport Squadrons (Average Pilots)

Royal Australian Navy:
1st Fleet:
Heavy Carrier HMAS Australia
--3x F14A Squadrons (expert pilots)
--2x A6 Intruder Squadrons (expert pilots)
--1x ASW Helicopter Squadron (expert pilot)
Heavy Missile Cruiser HMAS Adelaide
Light Missile Cruiser HMAS Melbourne
Light Missile Cruiser HMAS Darwin
2x AA Cruisers
2x Escort Cruisers
2x Destroyer Groups (Tech 7.5)
2.5x Frigate Groups (Tech 7.5)

2nd Fleet:
Heavy Carrier HMAS New Zealand
--3x F14A Squadrons (expert pilots)
--2x A6 Intruder Squadrons (expert pilots)
--1x ASW Helicopter Squadron (expert pilot)
Heavy Missile Cruiser HMAS Brisbane
Light Missile Cruiser HMAS Auckland
Light Missile Cruiser HMAS Wellington
2x AA Cruisers
2x Escort Cruisers
2x Destroyer Groups (Tech 7.5)
2.5x Frigate Groups (Tech 7.5)
Coast Guard:
2x Patrol/Escort Groups
3x Coastal Patrol Groups
Submarine Division:
2x Attack Submarines (SSK)
Auxilary Units:
1x Amphibious Assault Group

Royal Australian Airforce:
3x F4 Squadrons (expert pilots)
2x F111 Squadrons (expert pilots)
1x KC135 Squadrons (average pilots)
Royal Australian Airforce Reserve:
3x F4 Squadrons (expert pilots)
2x F111 Squadrons (expert pilots)
1x KC135 Squadrons (average pilots)
1x E3 Sentry Squadron (average pilot)

Out of production planes need editing. I assume that Tech 7 helicopters need .1 maintenance? Before it was .25

SIC:

The Park Government, looking for some quiet insurance against future Chinese misbehavior, quietly agrees to let the Russians base ships at Vladivostok.

Out of production planes need editing. I assume that Tech 7 helicopters need .1 maintenance? Before it was .25

nope, still .25.. they are expensive and difficult to maintain. Newer helicopters are actually easier to maintain then older ones

So I can start an airline industry by building say.... a 757 or something. Just different and with different names and such.

Alright, how about this?

The Peso
Plane Design

Powerplants

Two 166.4kN (37,400lb) RollsRoyce RB211-535C turbofans, or 178.8kN (40,200lb) RB211-535E4s, or 193.5kN (43,500lb) RB211-535E4-Bs, or 162.8kN (36,600lb) Pratt & Whitney PW2037s, or two 178.4kN (40,100lb) PW2040s, or 189.5kN (42,600lb) PW2043s.

Performance

Max cruising speed 914km/h (493kt), economical cruising speed 850km/h (460kt). Range with P&W engines and 186 passengers 5053km (2728nm), with RR engines 4758km (2569nm). Range at optional max takeoff weight with P&W engines 7277km (3929nm), with RR engines 6888km (3719nm). 757-200PF - Speeds same. Range with 22,680kg payload and P&W engines 7195km (3885nm), with RR engines 6857km (3700nm).

Weights

Operating empty with P&W engines 57,840kg (127,520lb), with RB211s 57,975kg (127,810lb). Basic max takeoff 99,790kg (220,000lb), medium range MTOW 108,860kg (240,000lb), extended range MTOW 115,665kg (255,000lb) or 115,895kg (255,550lb).

Dimensions

Wing span 38.05m (124ft 10in), length 47.32m (155ft 3in), height 13.56m (44ft 6in). Wing area 185.3m2 (1994sq ft).


I will look at various aircraft designs next week

The Indochinese agree to buy 576 state of the art of Su-27 fighters (24 squadrons) from Russia to replace its aging Mirage IIIEs.
The first group of 288 aircraft are to be purchased in 1970 and second group of 288 in 1972.
This is estimated to cost 32 billion dollars.

With certain conditions the Indochinese also agree to pay 16 billion dollars to produce its own Su-27s under domestic lisence.

GB, would Russia be able to build MRBM missiles or we have to reseach it?

GB, would Russia be able to build MRBM missiles or we have to reseach it?

Since you're in the ESA and EEC, figure you have them.

Speaking of which.... who is doing Poland, the SU and Ukraine's builds?

GB, would Russia be able to build MRBM missiles or we have to reseach it?

technology was provided to you from Huron, so your good

incidently, the North Americans now have neutron weapons

the British will get them next and will be informed when they become available

with my 500 SU engineers, how soon before I can start building decent aircraft and bombers? I think they came in 1965

bump for reply

I'm a little confused. Are Special Forces Battalions now 1 point and have a maintainence of .25? Does that include SF level training?

Parthini']I'm a little confused. Are Special Forces Battalions now 1 point and have a maintainence of .25? Does that include SF level training?

costs 1 point to build, .25 to maintain, and then you have to spend for training each year

so essentially 1 point a year for a handpicked SF battalion

nope, still .25.. they are expensive and difficult to maintain. Newer helicopters are actually easier to maintain then older ones
But the newer ones are .5 maintenance, so they cost more to maintain.

costs 1 point to build, .25 to maintain, and then you have to spend for training each year

so essentially 1 point a year for a handpicked SF battalion
It says handpicked is +1 so wouldn't that mean 1.25 for maintenance?

ALright. I'll wait for the uhhh builds and checks.

Open IC:

Korea begins touting the benefits of the J10 fighter aircraft in defense journals and trade magazines, and encourages people to buy it, citing its good performance for less cost.

Indochina military report
Circa 1972


UIA (Army):

-Central Strategic Army Command: [General Vo Nguyen Giap]
1x HQ Unit (Saigon Military Acadamy) [Highly Trained]

-1st Army Corps: [General Tran Van Tra]
1st Light Infantry Division (Saigon Military Acadamy) [Highly Trained]
2nd Light Infantry Division (Saigon Military Acadamy) [Highly Trained]

-2nd Army Corps: [General Sunan Mongkut]
3rd Light Infantry Division (Bangkok) [Highly Trained]
4th Light Infantry Division (Bangkok) [Highly Trained]

-3rd Army Mechanised Corps: [General Lon Nol]
5th Mechanized infantry Division (Xam Nua) [Highly Trained]
8th Armoured Division (Xam Nua) [Highly Trained]

-4th Army Mechanised Corps Corps: [General Jou Phen Tai]
6th Mechanized Infantry Division (Sa Keo Range) [Highly Trained]
7th Mechanized Artillery Division (Sa Keo Range) [Highly Trained]


-National Aerial Defence Command [General Nyugen Phreng Dao]
9th Mechanized SAM group (Saigon) [Highly Trained]
10th Mechanized SAM group (Bangkok) [Highly Trained]
12th Mechanized SAM group (Hanoi) [Highly Trained]


-Army Pathfinders Division [General Van Tin Dungl]
1st Pathfinders Special Forces Battalion (Hanoi) [Hand picked]
2nd Pathfinders Special Forces Battalion (Hanoi) [Hand picked]
3rd Pathfinders Special Forces Battalion (Hanoi) [Hand picked]
4th Pathfinders Special Forces Battalion (Hanoi) [Hand picked]
57th Special Air Tranport Squadron [Ht-80 transports] (Hanoi)
58th Special Air Tranport Squadron [Ht-80 transports] (Hanoi)
2x Expert pilot (Hanoi)


UIMC (Marines):

-Central Strategic Marine Command: [General Shui Huan Bai]
1x HQ Unit (Nha Trang) [Highly Trained]

-1st Marine Division: [General Sopheap Phirun]
1st Marine Light infantry Brigade (Nha Trang Marine Acadamy) [Highly Trained]
2nd Marine Light infantry Brigade (Nha Trang Marine Acadamy) [Highly Trained]
5th Marine Mechanized Brigade (Nha Trang Marine Acadamy) [Highly Trained]

-2nd Marine Division: [General Quy Vien Tu]
3rd Marine Light infantry Brigade (Louangphrabang) [Highly Trained]
4th Marine Light infantry Brigade (Louangphrabang) [Highly Trained]
6th Marine Mechanized Brigade (Louangphrabang) [Highly Trained]

-3rd Marine Division: [General Vanna Klahan]
5th Marine Light infantry Brigade (Surat Thani) [Highly Trained]
7th Marine Mechanized Brigade (Surat Thani) [Highly Trained]
8th Marine Mechanized Brigade (Surat Thani) [Highly Trained]

- 1st Marine Air Support Group: [General Phan Anh]
1st Marine Air Support Wing (Laem Chabang MAFB)
-1st Marine Air Support Sqaudron [Nanchang Q-5 Light bombers](Laem Chabang MAFB)
-2nd Marine Air Support Sqaudron [Nanchang Q-5 Light bombers](Laem Chabang MAFB)
-4th Marine Air Support Sqaudron [Nanchang Q-5 Light bombers](Laem Chabang MAFB)
3x Expert pilot (Laem Chabang MAFB)

2nd Marine Air Support Wing (Takeo MAFB)
-3rd Marine Air Support Sqaudron [Nanchang Q-5 Light bombers](Takeo MAFB)
-5th Marine Air Support Sqaudron [Nanchang Q-5 Light bombers](Takeo MAFB)
-6th Marine Air Support Sqaudron [Nanchang Q-5 Light bombers](Takeo MAFB)
3x Expert pilot (Takeo MAFB)


UIAF (Airforce):

-Central Strategic Airforce Command: [General Klahan Dai Sunan]
1x HQ Unit (Vinh) [Highly Trained]

- 1st Air Superiority Group: [General Chu Van Tan]
1st Air Superiority Wing (Vinh AFB)
-1st Air Superiority Squadron [Su-27 fighters](Vinh AFB)
-2nd Air Superiority Squadron [Su-27 fighters](Vinh AFB)
-3rd Air Superiority Squadron [Su-27 fighters](Vinh AFB)
3x Expert pilot (Vinh AFB)

2nd Air Superiority Wing (Da Nang AFB)
-4th Air Superiority Squadron [Su-27 fighters](Da Nang AFB)
-5th Air Superiority Squadron [Su-27 fighters](Da Nang AFB)
-6th Air Superiority Squadron [Su-27 fighters](Da Nang AFB)
3x Expert pilot (Da Nang AFB)

- 2nd Air Superiority Group: [General Hoko Bao An]
3rd Air Superiority Wing (Nakhon Sawan AFB)
-7th Air Superiority Squadron [Su-27 fighters](Nakhon Sawan AFB)
-8th Air Superiority Squadron [Su-27 fighters](Nakhon Sawan AFB)
-9th Air Superiority Squadron [Su-27 fighters](Nakhon Sawan AFB)
3x Expert pilot (Nakhon Sawan AFB)

4th Air Superiority Wing [Su-27 fighter unit] (Songkhla AFB)
-10th Air Superiority Squadron [Su-27 fighters](Songkhla AFB)
-11th Air Superiority Squadron [Su-27 fighters](Songkhla AFB)
-12th Air Superiority Squadron [Su-27 fighters](Songkhla AFB)
3x Expert pilot (Songkhla AFB)


-1st Tactical Bombing Group: [General Nyugen An Phong]
1st Tactical Bomber Wing (Saigon AFB)
-13th Tactical Bomber Squadron [Nanchang Q-5 Light bombers](Saigon AFB)
-14th Tactical Bomber Squadron [Nanchang Q-5 Light bombers](Saigon AFB)
-15th Tactical Bomber Squadron [Nanchang Q-5 Light bombers](Saigon AFB)
3x Expert pilot (Saigon AFB)

2nd Tactical Bomber Wing [Nanchang Q-5 Light bomber Unit] (Da Nang AFB)
-16th Tactical Bomber Squadron [Nanchang Q-5 Light bombers](Da Nang AFB)
-17th Tactical Bomber Squadron [Nanchang Q-5 Light bombers](Da Nang AFB)
-18th Tactical Bomber Squadron [Nanchang Q-5 Light bombers](Da Nang AFB)
3x Expert pilot (Da Nang AFB)


-2nd Tactical Bombing Group: [General Linh Chi Xuan]-{Reserve}
3rd Tactical Bomber Wing (Bangkok AFB)
-68th Tactical Bomber Squadron [Nanchang Q-5 Light bombers](Bangkok AFB)
-69th Tactical Bomber Squadron [Nanchang Q-5 Light bombers](Bangkok AFB)
-70th Tactical Bomber Squadron [Nanchang Q-5 Light bombers](Bangkok AFB)
3x Expert pilots (Bangkok AFB)

2nd Tactical Bomber Wing (Nakhon Sawan AFB)
-71st Tactical Bomber Squadron [Nanchang Q-5 Light bombers](Nakhon Sawan AFB)
-72nd Tactical Bomber Squadron [Nanchang Q-5 Light bombers](Nakhon Sawan AFB)
-73rd Tactical Bomber Squadron [Nanchang Q-5 Light bombers](Nakhon Sawan AFB)
3x Expert pilots (Nakhon Sawan AFB)


-1st Strategic Bombing Group: [General Shi Ko An]-{Reserve}
1st Strategic Bomber Wing (Kracheh SAFB)
-74th Strategic Bomber Squadron [Ht-64 Shan Shi Strategic Bombers] (Kracheh SAFB)
-75th Strategic Bomber Squadron [Ht-64 Shan Shi Strategic Bombers] (Kracheh SAFB)
2x Expert pilot (Kracheh SAFB)

2nd Strategic Bomber Wing (Khon Kaen SAFB)
-76th Strategic Bomber Squadron [Ht-64 Shan Shi Strategic Bombers] (Khon Kaen SAFB)
-77th Strategic Bomber Squadron [Ht-64 Shan Shi Strategic Bombers] (Khon Kaen SAFB)
2x Expert pilot (Khon Kaen SAFB)


-1st Aerial Support Group: [General Heng An]
1st Aerial Support Wing (Saigon AFB)
-19th Aerial Support Squadron [CA Kirin Lamsong Tankers] (Saigon AFB)
-20th Aerial Support Squadron [CA Kirin Lamsong Tankers] (Saigon AFB)
2x Expert pilot (Saigon AFB)

2nd Aerial Support Wing (Songkhla AFB)
-59th Aerial Support Squadron [CA Kirin Lamsong Tankers] (Songkhla AFB)
-60th Aerial Support Squadron [CA Kirin Lamsong Tankers] (Songkhla AFB)
2x Expert pilot (Songkhla AFB)


-2nd Aerial Support Group: [General Shen Di]
4th Aerial Support wing (Chang Mai AFB)
-63rd Aerial Support Squadron [CA Nova AEW Aircraft](Chang Mai AFB)
-64th Aerial Support Squadron [CA Nova AEW Aircraft](Chang Mai AFB)
2x Expert pilot (Chang Mai AFB)

5th Aerial Support wing [CA Nova AEW Unit] (Vinh AFB)
-65th Aerial Support Squadron [CA Nova AEW Aircraft](Chang Mai AFB)
-66th Aerial Support Squadron [CA Nova AEW Aircraft](Chang Mai AFB)
2x Expert pilot (Vinh AFB)


-Airforce Transport Divison:
1st Heavy Transport Wing (Saigon AFB)
-21st Heavy Transport Wing [C124 Globemaster II Heavy transports] (Saigon AFB)
-22nd Heavy Transport Wing [C124 Globemaster II Heavy transports] (Saigon AFB)
2x Expert pilot (Saigon AFB)

2nd Heavy Transport Wing (Vinh AFB)
-24th Heavy Transport Wing [C124 Globemaster II Heavy transports] (Vinh AFB)
-25th Heavy Transport Wing [C124 Globemaster II Heavy transports] (Vinh AFB)
2x Expert pilot (Vinh AFB)

3rd Heavy Transport Wing (Songkhla AFB)
-27th Heavy Transport Wing [C124 Globemaster II Heavy transports] (Songkhla AFB)
-28th Heavy Transport Wing [C124 Globemaster II Heavy transports] (Songkhla AFB)
2x Expert pilot (Songkhla AFB)

4th Heavy Transport Wing (Nakhon Sawan AFB)
-30th Heavy Transport Wing [C124 Globemaster II Heavy transports] (Nakhon Sawan AFB)
-31st Heavy Transport Wing [C124 Globemaster II Heavy transports] (Nakhon Sawan AFB)
2x Expert pilot (Nakhon Sawan AFB)


UIN (Navy):

-South China Sea Fleet: [Admiral Nyugen Ju Que]
'Nyugen Ai Quoc' CVA (Cam Ranh)
'Jiao' CVL (Cam Ranh)

'Zhao Tou' Zhao Tou Class Light missile Cruiser (Cam Ranh)
'Bankok' Zhao Tou Class Light missile Cruiser (Cam Ranh)
'Lan Xang'Lan Xang Class Heavy Missile Cruiser (Cam Ranh)
'Lo Ti' Lan Xang Class Heavy Missile Cruiser (Cam Ranh)
'Phu Bia' Lan Xang Class Heavy Missile Cruiser (Cam Ranh)
'Xuo La' Xuo La Class Anti-Aircraft Cruiser (Cam Ranh)
'Gan Ji' Xuo La Class Anti-Aircraft Cruiser (Cam Ranh)
'Nan Yong' Xuo La Class Anti-Aircraft Cruiser (Cam Ranh)

3x Destroyer units (2 vessals)(Cam Ranh)
4x ASW Frigate Units (2 Vessals) (Cam Ranh)

'Shou' Shou Class Nuclear Attack Submarine (Cam Ranh)
'Vinh' Shou Class Nuclear Attack Submarine (Cam Ranh)

-Andaman Sea Fleet: [Admiral Zhou Wulen]
'Indochina' CVA (Phuket)
'Rong' CVL (Phuket)

'Lin Yen' Lan Xang Class Heavy Missile Cruiser (Phuket)
'Yao Shi' Lan Xang Class Heavy Missile Cruiser (Phuket)
'Yom Gu' Lan Xang Class Heavy Missile Cruiser (Phuket)
'Lac Long Quan' Zhao Tou Class Light missile Cruiser (Phuket)
'Au Co' Zhao Tou Class Light missile Cruiser (Phuket)
'Jo Fai' Xuo La Class Anti-Aircraft Cruiser (Phuket)
'Klima To' Xuo La Class Anti-Aircraft Cruiser (Phuket)
'Yo Bia' Xuo La Class Anti-Aircraft Cruiser (Phuket)

3x Destroyer units (2 vessals)(Phuket)
4x ASW Frigate Units (2 Vessals) (Phuket)

'Hue' Shou Class Nuclear Attack Submarine (Phuket)
'Phongsali' Shou Class Nuclear Attack Submarine (Phuket)
'Vo Ling' Veng Shi Class Nuclear Guided Missile Submarine (Phuket)
1x SSK Group (Phuket)

-Pacific Fleet: [Admiral Dien Lu Menh]
5x SSK Groups (Hue)
5x SSK Groups (Haiphong)

-Northern Coast Guard Patrol Group: [Admiral Pich Veasna]
1x Patrol / Escort group (Haiphong)
1x Coastal Patrol Group (Haiphong)

-Southern Coast Guard Patrol Group: [Admiral Leon Yann]
1x Patrol / Escort group (Bangkok)
1x Coastal Patrol Group (Bangkok)

-Naval Transport Department:
1st Amphibious Assault Group (Cam Ranh)
2nd Amphibious Assault Group (Phuket)
3rd Transport Group (Haiphong)
4th Transport Group (Haiphong)

-Naval Air Arm:
1st Naval Air wing (Nyugen Ai Quoc CVA, Cam Ranh Naval Air Station)
-33rd Naval Fighter Squadron [J10 fighters](Nyugen Ai Quoc CVA, Cam Ranh Naval Air Station)
-34th Naval Fighter Squadron [J10 fighters](Nyugen Ai Quoc CVA, Cam Ranh Naval Air Station)
-35th Naval Fighter Squadron [J10 fighters](Nyugen Ai Quoc CVA, Cam Ranh Naval Air Station)
-37th Naval Fighter Squadron [J10 fighters](Nyugen Ai Quoc CVA, Cam Ranh Naval Air Station)
-36th Naval Bomber Squadron [Nanchang Q-5 Light Bombers] (Nyugen Ai Quoc CVA, Cam Ranh Naval Air Station)
-38th Naval Bomber Squadron [Nanchang Q-5 Light Bombers] (Nyugen Ai Quoc CVA, Cam Ranh Naval Air Station)
-39th Naval Support Squadron [Nanchnag E-8 AEW Aircraft] (Nyugen Ai Quoc CVA, Cam Ranh Naval Air Station)
-40th ASW Helicopter Squadron [Ht-7 Bo wu ASW helicopters] (Nyugen Ai Quoc CVA, Cam Ranh Naval Air Station)
8x Expert Carrier Pilots (Nyugen Ai Quoc CVA, Cam Ranh Naval Air Station)

2nd Naval Air wing (Indochina CVA, Sattahip Naval Air Station)
-41st Naval Fighter Squadron [J10 fighters](Indochina CVA, Sattahip Naval Air Station)
-42nd Naval Fighter Squadron [J10 fighters](Indochina CVA, Sattahip Naval Air Station)
-43rd Naval Fighter Squadron [J10 fighters](Indochina CVA, Sattahip Naval Air Station)
-44th Naval Fighter Squadron [J10 fighters](Indochina CVA, Sattahip Naval Air Station)
-45th Naval Bomber Squadron [Nanchang Q-5 Light Bombers] (Indochina CVA, Sattahip Naval Air Station)
-46th Naval Bomber Squadron [Nanchang Q-5 Light Bombers] (Indochina CVA, Sattahip Naval Air Station)
-47th Naval Support Squadron [Nanchnag E-8 AEW Aircraft] (Indochina CVA, Sattahip Naval Air Station)
-48th ASW Helicopter Squadron [Ht-7 Bo wu ASW helicopters] (Indochina CVA, Sattahip Naval Air Station)
8x Expert Carrier Pilots (Indochina CVA, Sattahip Naval Air Station)

3rd Naval Air wing (Jiao CVL, Cam Ranh Naval Air Station)
-49th ASW Helicopter Squadron [Ht-7 Bo wu ASW helicopters] (Jiao CVL, Cam Ranh Naval Air Station)
-50th ASW Helicopter Squadron [Ht-7 Bo wu ASW helicopters] (Jiao CVL, Cam Ranh Naval Air Station)
-51st ASW Helicopter Squadron [Ht-7 Bo wu ASW helicopters] (Jiao CVL, Cam Ranh Naval Air Station)
-52nd ASW Helicopter Squadron [Ht-7 Bo wu ASW helicopters] (Jiao CVL, Cam Ranh Naval Air Station)
4x Expert Carrier Pilots (Jiao CVL, Cam Ranh Naval Air Station)

4th Naval Air wing (Rong CVL, Sattahip Naval Air Station)
-53rd ASW Helicopter Squadron [Ht-7 Bo wu ASW helicopters] (Rong CVL, Sattahip Naval Air Station)
-54th ASW Helicopter Squadron [Ht-7 Bo wu ASW helicopters] (Rong CVL, Sattahip Naval Air Station)
-55th ASW Helicopter Squadron [Ht-7 Bo wu ASW helicopters] (Rong CVL, Sattahip Naval Air Station)
-56th ASW Helicopter Squadron [Ht-7 Bo wu ASW helicopters] (Rong CVL, Sattahip Naval Air Station)
4x Expert Carrier Pilots (Rong CVL, Sattahip Naval Air Station)

Merchant Navy:

14,000,000 tons of shipping


IIA (Indochinese Intelligence Agency):

8,000 Analysts
Ocean Trawlers
Improved Spy Satellites
Photo Surveilance Section (Kracheh SAFB)
-61st Photo-Reconaissance Squadron [H-7 'Lei' Photo-Reconaissance Aircraft](Kracheh SAFB)
-62nd Photo-Reconaissance Squadron [H-7 'Lei' Photo-Reconaissance Aircraft](Kracheh SAFB)
2x Expert Pilot (Kracheh SAFB)


Nuclear weapons stockpile:
800 Hydrogen Bombs

GB, would Russia be able to build this

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sukhoi_T-4

It says handpicked is +1 so wouldn't that mean 1.25 for maintenance?

so they are...well, its one reason not many nations have them

GB, would Russia be able to build this

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sukhoi_T-4

yes, it will be like the SR71 in some respects, but not as fast
figure air combat 9 (defense only), strike 0, range long (intercontinental with tanker support) cost 5, maintenance 3

its available 1971

with my 500 SU engineers, how soon before I can start building decent aircraft and bombers? I think they came in 1965

bump, in case it was forgotten

bump, in case it was forgotten

posted an answer earlier to this... essentially a nation without an aviation industry has to start with a trainer, cargo aircraft or airliner first before it can start building high performance aircraft

10 years from start to first decent aircraft .. so 1975

posted an answer earlier to this... essentially a nation without an aviation industry has to start with a trainer, cargo aircraft or airliner first before it can start building high performance aircraft

10 years from start to first decent aircraft .. so 1975

ah, must not have seen that. Is it even worth it posting a trainer and cargo aircraft, or can I just wait until 1975 and start building bombers and fighters?

yes, it will be like the SR71 in some respects, but not as fast
figure air combat 9 (defense only), strike 0, range long (intercontinental with tanker support) cost 5, maintenance 3

its available 1971
So would this be a recon plane then?

Does the Netherlands have the company Fokker in their country?

ah, must not have seen that. Is it even worth it posting a trainer and cargo aircraft, or can I just wait until 1975 and start building bombers and fighters?

yes, I would suggest using the C160 (its a French aircraft, but a decent twin engined light transport and will be cheap)

So would this be a recon plane then?

yes

Does the Netherlands have the company Fokker in their country?

yes, but it makes just turboprop airliners, but it could build one specific high performance plane under license

see who will let you

I was just wondering if the company exist. Fokker only makes airlines planes in recent years. Also what is considered a high performance plane?

Rough design for the new British IC bomber. Roughly based off an improved Vulcan and a worse B-1 lancer, I hope they're about right, aircraft aren't my thing. Any idea on stats GB? No hurry for them though, I'll need until 1972 to pay for it anyway.

Avro Vixen

General characteristics
Crew: 5: Pilot, Co-Pilot, Navigator Plotter, Navigator Radar and Air Electronics Officer
Length: 130 ft (39.6 m)
Wingspan: 140 ft (42.7m)
Height: 30 ft (9.1 m)
Wing area: 4,200 ft² (390.2 m²)
Empty weight: 100,000 lb (45,360kg)
Loaded weight: 250,000 lb (113,400kg)
Max takeoff weight: 280,000 lb (127,000kg)
Powerplant: 6× Rolls Royce Olympus Turbojets 20,230lbf (90kN) each
Maximum speed: 680 knots (mach 1.03)
Maximum range: 6,000 nm (6,900 mi, 11,100 km)
Service ceiling: 63,000 ft (19,200m)
Armament
Locations:
1 internal bay for 60,000 lb (27,200 kg) of ordnance.

Your max speed is way too low. This thing would hit Mach 3.

Fokker has, IIRC, built a few cargo/tanker craft over the years, so you could build a few "counts as C-130" or whatever, I'd assume.

The UIR begins working on the folowing plane, designated as the A-1:

Crew: five - two pilots, navigator, flight engineer, tactics officer
Capacity: cargo or up to 80 troops
Payload: 16,000 kg (32,300 lb)
Length: 32.40 m (106 ft 4 in)
Wingspan: 40.00 m (131 ft 3 in)
Height: 12.36 m (38 ft 3 in)
Wing area: 160 m² (1,721 ft²)
Empty weight: 30,000 kg (62,700 lb)
Loaded weight: 46,000 kg (103,400 lb)
Max takeoff weight: 49,150 kg (112,200 lb)
Powerplant: 2× Rolls-Royce Tyne 22 turboprops, 8,450 kW (11,330 hp) each
Performance
Maximum speed: 513 km/h (319 mph)
Range: 1,850 km (1,150 miles)
Service ceiling: 8,230 m (30,000 ft)
Rate of climb: 6.67 m/s (1,312 ft/min)
Wing loading: 294 kg/m² (60 lb/ft²)
Power/mass: 180 W/kg (0.11 hp/lb)


OOC: taken of the C-160 as GB suggested

Your max speed is way too low. This thing would hit Mach 3.

not at low level it can't... even the B1 doesnt do Mach numbers at low level due to avionics restrictions at tech level 8

Why did I have to get such a gimpy fighter.....:(...

1965 Polish Military (trying to piece together from twilight war)
Polish forces in Scandic Union: 1 airborne brigade, 1 transport helicopter, , 1 infantry corps in Denmark (5 brigades), 1 mechanized division in Trondheim
Polish naval forces:
1 heavy cruiser, 1 DDG, 1 SSN, 5 SSK7, (1 DDG in port damaged)
Polish: 1 HQ, 3 armored brigades
Polish: 1 HQ, 7 armored brigades, 7 infantry brigades, 2 artillery groups,
4 Mig 23,
1 HQ, 22 armored brigades, 12 mech brigades,
8 flak (guarding cities)

1xAirborne Brigade
1xTransport Helicopter
2x Infantry Corps
10x Armored Division
2xHQ
2xArtillery Group
8xFlak Unit
4xMig-23
5xMech Infantry Division
1xHeavy Cruiser
2xDDG (1 damaged)
1xSSN
5xTech 7 SSK

Force Deployments:

Oman:
1 Mechanized Division-Hormuz Airbase
1 Cheetah Fighter Unit-Hormuz Airbase
1 Elite Pilot-Hormuz Airbase

India:
1 Special Forces Battalion-East Bengal

East Africa/Sudan:
1 Elite Marine Brigade
2 Elite Mechanized Infantry Divisions
1 C130 Squadron
3 Attack Helicopter Squadrons
1 HQ Unit
2 Transport Helicopter Squadrons
1 Elite Parachute Brigade
2 Cargo Helicopter Squadrons
10 Elite Pilots
2 Cheetah Squadrons


Updated force deployments: sent an additional mechanized division, along with 2 squadrons of Cheetahs and 2 pilots to Sudan to supplement the BEF and South African forces already in-theater.

not at low level it can't... even the B1 doesnt do Mach numbers at low level due to avionics restrictions at tech level 8
No but its max speed would be over Mach 2 if its got reheat. If its not got reheat, I'd say around Mach 1.7-2.0.
He's using the same engine as the Concorde, and the Concorde has a max take off weight of 408,000 lb (185,070 kg), and 4 Olympus engines, albeit ones rated 32,000 lbf (142 kN) dry / 38,050 lbf (169 kN) reheat. I'm guessing he will have reheat though, as the original Rolls Royce Olympus engines were 20,000 lbf (89 kN) dry / 30,610 lbf (136 kN) reheat, which is what his were based on I think. That engine was going to be fitted to the Concorde, but they decided to make it more powerful. Now if he has 6 of them, that's (dry) 540kN altogether, whilst the much heavier Concorde has 4 of the (dry) 142kN engines, which would be 568kN; not much more than the much lighter plane that LR has designed.

I'm just saying all this, because if the stats are good enough, I might get one.