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Actually, I was already mobilized for war as part of the preparations for war aganist Russia. Besides, Hanoi is a very short distance from the Chinese border, compared to, say, Phenom Penh. Therefore, my troops can cross over and surround Hanoi without needing months of marching or trench warfare (we haven't reached *that* stage yet). France deployed most of his Indochinese forces in Hanoi, thereby leaving the rest of Indochina lightly defended (if at all) allowing me to thrust deep into it with my second Army (I had 2 Armies at ready status along the Indochinese border).

Add the Japanese blockade of Indochina, which means no extra food, ammo, weapons, etc. are getting through unless France sends a good portion of its European fleet to Indochina and that alone would take several months for the French Navy to sail down south around Africa then cut across the Indian Ocean- ships were slow in comparison to ones today or WW-2.

Besides, recruiting 100,000 Indochinese will take a sizable chunk out of the Indochinese population, as I believe that its population was around 5 million or so back in the 1900's. Then take the time to train these troops to acceptable combat standards (which won't happen without months of training). The Indochinese troops are basically peasants who are given guns and told the following "This end shoots bullets. Aim this at the enemy and fire the trigger." and thats it. No survival skills, experience with rationing ammo, low accuracy, and all the issues of a newbie who probably never used a gun in their lives.

The 37,000 French Regulars are a different story though- I can see and acknowledge that they are trained pretty well and probably able to mobilize pretty quickly. The extra 100,000 Indochinese troops will take substantially longer to fully utilize, unless you don't mind using them as cannon fodder and death ratios of 10 Indochinese to 1 Chinese troop (due to training).

Just pointing out why and what I did, and my reasoning behind them.

I had only glanced through the post, and saw surrounding Hanoi, I looked back and realized what happened. Either way, I'm not doubting your ability to do this, I thought you had moved faster than normal, but I was wrong

sorry to do this to you guys, but i think i am out of this RP

i joined hopeing to have fun, but at this time i do not intend to jump into a war with half the world and i have little to no idea of who has done what and when, and i have little time right now to RP and in that time I have other RPs i am more interested in taking up most my time RPing.

hope you find a Russia soon...

OOC: You can't really march very effectively through the Indochinese frontier, defending Hanoi much more effectively cuts off the advance of the Chinese than you might think.

And the population of Indochina at this time had to be WAY more than 5 million

i know that Chambodia(sp?) Laos(sp?) and Vietnam where part of Indochina (not sure if there where more) but them three together have a population of

16,645,700 in 1914

So, Nebarri Prime, are you stopping?

If yes, I quit this RP. You guys can forget it. Maybe I'll try a restart later, but I'm losing hope.

i am leaving, hope you make a third sometime, it may turn out better then this one has


i remember the first AoI well, it was fun, but i think it died when France left and had been weakend by the extensivly long Balkan Wars and people taking short vecations(sp?). this one two seems to have been weakend by the leaving of Russia and such. hopefully if there is a third, it will fair better

I suggest we restart it asap. This will make it easier to get people to join as everybody already in it can keep their nations (and factbooks.) Or if they want to they can switch to new ones. If anyone wants to restart it I will keep Germany.

if we do that, i would take Spain if it would happen to end up open

Well, I for one don't really wish to restart as i've been waiting some time now and was finally close to my goal of a Turkish Empire.

Parhaps we could try a different era of RPing. I've been thinking about starting a mid to early 1800s RP. Though i was thinking of Uniting Germany and Italy sooner than normal because this tends to cause a standstill in the RP.

Send me a TG if you like the idea as I probabnly wont start it unless I have a couple people to help me because I'm not very good at leading an RP by myself.

I like it, and I'll play as Austria again
The only problem with this RP was that we had to put a new player in during a massive invasion

I'll give the idea one more try. I suggest to start in 1900 instead of 1910. I like the idea Voxio proposed, but NS is currently swamped with 18th and 19th century RP's.

sounds good to me. Put me down as Austria-Hungary

The only problem with this RP was that we had to put a new player in during a massive invasion

Yup, let's hope we have players who continue to RP even though they're heavily outnumbered...

so are we starting over or continuing on? I think if we can find someone willing to be Russia, we can continue this game. If not, we should start over

so are we starting over or continuing on? I think if we can find someone willing to be Russia, we can continue this game. If not, we should start over

Well, I can imagine the new player would quit as soon as he learns he's attacked by a lot of nations...

Shall I make a new thread then?

yes

sure, is it 1900 then? or 1910?

1900 I guess

Hold up, guys. I'm confused- a restart?

Some guys say 1850? 1900? 1910? 1920?

This is getting a little crazy, IMHO.

1900 restart because no one will play as Russia

sigh. France I guess

you don't seem enthusiastic. Also, Nebarri, if you want to continue with us, that would be great because you'd have a chance to try Russia out from the start

I dunno about Titicus, but I find the idea of restarting even farther back kinda...disapointing. I have been RPing this nation for a while only to have it pushed back years. I suppose there is the good side to it that allows me to re-start rebuilding the Ottoman Empire 10 years sooner than I could have giving myself an advantage over this current form of the RP. Navaly I could have a chance to catch up with the dreadnaught nations and possibly end the dissent in the Balkans [Though, without Ticticus to fan the flames I don't think it would happen anyways...especially 12 years ahead of schedule :p ].

you have a little more territory and a bigger chance to modernize I think, same for me

you don't seem enthusiastic. Also, Nebarri, if you want to continue with us, that would be great because you'd have a chance to try Russia out from the start

if we start new, i would join with Spain, that is my prefered nation

To be honest, I'm aganist a restart in 1900, for two reasons.

First, E20 already used this premise of starting in 1900. Starting in 1900 will be basically a rip-off and look bad for this RP (by copying off E20's premise).

Second, some players already invested considerable time this time around like Japan, China, Ottomans, etc. and to have all these hard work wiped out probably will kill off the enthuaism for this particular RP.

So I propose two possible solutions.

1. Do 1850 (should be interesting without the mad rush to planes and tanks and stuff)

2. Time-Warp to sometime between 1920 - 1930, with our current nations, timeline, and histories as it stands now, and simply start RP'ing from the 1920's decade with everything already established post-war (The whole "Operation Red Dragon" finishing and new borders drawn up and everything between now- 1914 to 1920).

i am against a 1920-30 RP as well as a 1850 RP, i would rather start from 1910 or so

i have also had RP ideas that go from the time lines listed below

1914-1939
1914-1945
1918-1939
1918-1945

So I propose two possible solutions.

1. Do 1850 (should be interesting without the mad rush to planes and tanks and stuff)

2. Time-Warp to sometime between 1920 - 1930, with our current nations, timeline, and histories as it stands now, and simply start RP'ing from the 1920's decade with everything already established post-war (The whole "Operation Red Dragon" finishing and new borders drawn up and everything between now- 1914 to 1920).
I myself wouldn't like to do either, but if we had to restart I like the 1800s because war was simpler then.

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If we did jump forward into the 1920s we could assume Russia lost the war and fell apart. Creating several free states and granting territory to enemies [Warta seems to want long, but I may have that wrong. And I myself want the turkish lands in Russia]. I would assume communism would appear in Russia.

After this we could assume tech was just like at the end of WWI and move on from there.

But remember, next time we have a big war this would likely happen again, so restarting just because of this seems like a bad idea.

i am against a 1920-30 RP as well as a 1850 RP, i would rather start from 1910 or so

i have also had RP ideas that go from the time lines listed below

1914-1939
1914-1945
1918-1939
1918-1945

Honestly, starting in 1900 to 1910 won't work for reasons I listed above, as well as another reason.

If we start in 1900 or 1910 again, the same problems will arise, similiar war / diplomacy will ensue, and so on. That's why I prefer to jump ahead and have these stuff over and done with (with an alternate history twist for flavor), or do a different era altogether (50+ years before the whole world war situation and "Axis Powers").

i would not be oppossed to starting compleatly over in 1920-30, but no alt-history twist

and you didn't count for France anyways - which could still have defeated Germany (possibly)

I am not against an rp in the 1920's or 30's, it just seems to be done so many times. Personally I am into older stuff, like Napoleonic maybe or even before, but that is me and my rant

Well, I'm against starting in the 19th century, a lot of RP's are currently underway in that Era. I'm all for a restart in 1900, though Sharina's idea looks interesting. I'll try to add a poll with four different options:

-restart 1900
-restart 1850
-restart 1920 Alternative History
-restart 1920 No Alt History (so just post WWI)

I can't add a poll, so please just post what you prefer:

-restart 1900
-restart 1850
-restart 1920 Alternative History
-restart 1920 No Alt History (so just post WWI)

-restart 1900 or -restart 1920 No Alt History (so just post WWI)

Nebarri Prime, to clarify what I mean by "Alternate History twist" is basically keeping everything that we've done so far in this RP but simply advance it 10 years (concluding the whole world war stuff we're doing now so to stop the whining and squabbling).

Basically what goes down is this...

1. Russia and France loses the world war.
2. Germany acquires Alasche-Lorraine.
3. Russia loses Siberia and their Pacific Islands.
4. France loses its Pacific holdings (Indonesia and French Polynesia).
5. Borders are redrawn in Asia (Japan gets Russian islands and French Polynesia while China gets Siberia and Indochina).
6. Similiar redrawn borders in Europe (Germany annexes Austria-Hungary and Alasce-Lorraine).

Not that much of an "Alternate History Twist" other than everything we've been building up to in this RP so far (1910 to 1915). Other than Russia and France, not much will have changed from RL- the USA, UK, Spain, Italy, Sweden, etc. will pretty much be the way they were in RL 1920's with a few changes (Fewer Americans and British die in the war, maybe different US president elected, the Titanic and Britannia not sinking, etc.)

Hope I cleared things up. It'd be boring to restart in 1920's using exact RL history- we need a twist to make it interesting, and what better twist than to incorporate everything we've done in this current timeline and advance it 10 years?

Just two questions Sharina

Why would Germany annex Austria-Hungary?

And you mean Indochina with Indonesia? Cuz Indonesia was Dutch back then.

Just two questions Sharina

Why would Germany annex Austria-Hungary?

And you mean Indochina with Indonesia? Cuz Indonesia was Dutch back then.

Hitler annexed Austria prior to WW-2, and Austria has a substantial German populace. As for Indonesia / Indochina, my mistake. I meant Indochina (I sometimes mess up the "Indo" part, thinking of "-nesia" and "-china").

My other concern is that if we restart in 1900, the exact same problems will arise in 1910 - 1915, leading to the same kind / amount of whining and squabbling that is causing this restart in the first place.

Nebarri Prime, to clarify what I mean by "Alternate History twist" is basically keeping everything that we've done so far in this RP but simply advance it 10 years (concluding the whole world war stuff we're doing now so to stop the whining and squabbling).

i know this, and i am still against it myself...

i know this, and i am still against it myself...

Why's that?

As I've stated earlier, if we do restart in 1900, then we'll end up facing the SAME problems when we reach 1910 - 1915 when everybody heads off to war again. We'll have the same whining and complaining and squabbling when we have World War 1 again if we restart in 1900.

I think its because nobody really wants to "lose". We have the exact same problem in mainstream NS- all these "OMG! WANK!!!!" crap going on because nobody wants to lose wars (hence all the god-modding, number-wanking, and tech-wanking).

Well, as long as the Habsburgs ruled Austria, the German speaking population wouldn't think of joining with Germany. Why join another Empire if you rule one yourself?

I kinda agree with you Sharina. Especially about the "no one wants to lose" explanation. But I really don't mind at what age we start.

People, please vote!

1920 start, Alt History-1 (Sharina)

I kinda agree with you Sharina. Especially about the "no one wants to lose" explanation. But I really don't mind at what age we start.

People, please vote!

1920 start, Alt History-1 (Sharina)

if i may vote for two?

1900 or 1920 No Alt History

I'll count them as half votes. If it's a draw, you'll have to decide which one you prefer.

1920 Alt. His.- 1 (Sharina)
1920 RL His.- .5 (Nebarri Prime)
1900- .5 (Nebarri Prime)

I guess I'll support Sharina, unless people want to go back to 1850.

I like Sharina's basic idea, but have some substantial changes: Instead jump ahead to only 1917, Germany has held off France so far (trench warfare) but is still at war with them, Russia just fell. We have to decide how to divide Russian territories at this point. I would say that Germany annexes Poland, the Baltic states, and Russia west of Moscow (including Moscow) and north of Kiev (including Kiev.) Finland will become Germany's puppet. A-H will get the Ukraine south of Kiev and most of the Balkans. The Ottomans will get the Caucausus and some of the Balkans. Italy won't get anything at this point, but they are promised most of the territory that is soon to be won from France. Japan and China will split whatever they see fit in the east.

why do you assume Germany would defeat France and Russia and become so huge and powerful? I don't think that is right, and I never though that Russia falling was inevitable. With "4 million Frenchmen attacking 1 million Germans!" in the west and 3 million Germans fighting with 3 million Russians in the east...

we already did 1900, 1920 RL is just leading to the depression, and 1920 Alt makes Germany and Austria too powerful. Maybe something different, maybe a cold war world where nukes are not invented? Or a napoleonic time frame?

and Germany already has Alsace-Lorraine

why do you assume Germany would defeat France and Russia and become so huge and powerful? I don't think that is right, and I never though that Russia falling was inevitable. With "4 million Frenchmen attacking 1 million Germans!" in the west and 3 million Germans fighting with 3 million Russians in the east...

we already did 1900, 1920 RL is just leading to the depression, and 1920 Alt makes Germany and Austria too powerful. Maybe something different, maybe a cold war world where nukes are not invented? Or a napoleonic time frame?

and Germany already has Alsace-Lorraine

Hmm- I must have had some of my facts mixed up. My apologies.

However, I do know that in RL after WW-1, Germany had to return Alsace-Lorraine to France. Also Russia will fall due to several reasons.

1. 2 front war, similiar to what defeated Hitler in WW-2.

2. China has easily 4x the manpower / population than Russia, so China can pull a RL WW-2 Soviet "Mad Rush" aganist the Russia in this timeline.

3. Once Siberia falls, Russia will lose a significant portion of its resources like oil.

As for France....

1. France cannot realistically hope to hold out forever in Indochina, as its a half-a-world away, and its next to China, someone who can easily out-do Russia.

2. France will have better luck in Europe. However, in our RL WW-1, the stalemate was broken by British and American aid. In this timeline, the USA hasn't done anything or declared war on Germany. I dunno who's playing Britain and whether that player is siding with France or Germany or staying neutral.

3. If anything, I can see France reaching a stalemate with Germany. Victory *may* be possible, but it all depends on strategy.


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Basically, Russia will lose the war, no questions asked as it can't hold up aganist China in the age of "Numbers is Power" (a.k.a. victory = whoever can sustain the most casaulties in war, namely trench warfare).

France can and probably will survive, but lose its Pacific Colonies (Indochina and French Polynesia). Dunno about other French colonies like Africa or South America (French Guyana).

The count sofar:

1920 Alt. History 3 (Sharina, Voxio, Elite Battle Hordes)
1920 RL History .5 (Nebarri Prime)
1900 .5 (Nebarri Prime)

I actually like the proposal of both Sharina and EBH, but I think it's hard to get a Russian player if Russia just has been defeated and ripped to pieces.

Titicus, in my version France is not defeated... yet, anyway. Besides, Germany has 1.5 million men on the western front and how many of France's four million would be available depends on how many men you have in your colonies such as Indochina. Not to mention that unlike historically there was no invasion of Belgium and therefore the front is smaller. Oh, and there is the massive Maginot Linesqe defenses Germany built in the three in a half years prior to the war. And with the support of Italy you would have to divert some of your forces to defending against them. All in all I see no reason Germany couldn't hold the French back until 1917, when tanks started to enter the fray.

Russia, of course, would fall around then due to its inability to fight against the whole world forever.

Well, I'm getting interested in your proposal EBH...

Don't forget the strain such a long and hard war would be for all nations.

Yes, there would be attrition. It would be the same as after the fall of Russia in RL, except that the U.K. and U.S. are not in the war and Italy is with the Central powers.

England joined Operation Red Dragon and they were an ally of Japan. It's not just mere imperialistic motives that Japan joined WWI.

I like the 1920 alternate history. France and Germany could have signed a cease-fire after slaughtering each other in trench warfare, Russia could be fractioned:
-Germany takes most of Poland
-Finland takes the northern peninsula (I can't think of it's name)
-China takes most of Siberia (with small parts going to Mongolia)
-Japan takes all of Russia east of Siberia.
-The rest of Russia is under Soviet Control

Also, the Great Depression would prevent a major war from erupting right away (allowing players more time to get prepared), internal problems would prevent China from just taking over the rest of Asia, and of course this giant alliance would break apart between democrats, fascists, and communists.

Exit Poll (:P)

1920 Alt. History 4 (Sharina, Voxio, Elite Battle Hordes, Koryan)
1920 RL History .5 (Nebarri Prime)
1900 .5 (Nebarri Prime)

I think we almost reached a decision...

Titicus, in my version France is not defeated... yet, anyway. Besides, Germany has 1.5 million men on the western front and how many of France's four million would be available depends on how many men you have in your colonies such as Indochina. Not to mention that unlike historically there was no invasion of Belgium and therefore the front is smaller. Oh, and there is the massive Maginot Linesqe defenses Germany built in the three in a half years prior to the war. And with the support of Italy you would have to divert some of your forces to defending against them. All in all I see no reason Germany couldn't hold the French back until 1917, when tanks started to enter the fray.

Russia, of course, would fall around then due to its inability to fight against the whole world forever.

I'm liking EBH's idea.

Also, one benefit of Russia being split into small pieces means there's much less need for a Russian player (thereby fixing one of our major problems in this RP so far).

I support Germany and France being in a stalemate until 1917 (we can pick the RP from there).

Koryan, Mongolia is Chinese. In RL, Mongolia seceded from China in 1911 (which never happened in this timeline or E20- at least in 1911 in E20) because China in these two timelines has a stronger government, less corruption, undertaking modernization and reforms, etc. eliminating most of the reasons why Mongolia became independent from RL China in 1911 (mainly because of weak Qing Dynasty and civil war between Nationalists and Commies).

I would like to be France - but if France and Germany are at a stalemate in 1917, it will mean a German victory inevitably with the rest of the world at war with her and no two fronts. THe reason I attacked Germany while it had most of its force in Russia is because I could concentate 4:1 odds in that location - a huge advantage, even in trench warfare. And who is to say Belgium and Holland wouldn't join France. All I am saying is if you want to do a alternate universe, don't have a stalemate, it is as good as saying France is defeated

plus I already placed forces on the Italian and colonial fronts, which were not taking from the total French troops

i guess i'll take Spain

I would like to be France - but if France and Germany are at a stalemate in 1917, it will mean a German victory inevitably with the rest of the world at war with her and no two fronts. THe reason I attacked Germany while it had most of its force in Russia is because I could concentate 4:1 odds in that location - a huge advantage, even in trench warfare. And who is to say Belgium and Holland wouldn't join France. All I am saying is if you want to do a alternate universe, don't have a stalemate, it is as good as saying France is defeated

plus I already placed forces on the Italian and colonial fronts, which were not taking from the total French troops

I figure with Russia being crushed, Japan and China will only focus on the French colonies in the Pacific. China and Japan most likely won't interfere in European affairs- how likely do you see Chinese troops fighting in Berlin or Paris?

That leaves Germany VS France, which doesn't necessarily mean "Whole World Versus France". Keep in mind, Germany isn't uber-fanatical or developing weapons or technologies at break-neck speed as Hitler and the Nazis have yet to control Germany (not until the 1930's in RL). So it should be a pretty even fight.

Although, France can win if strategy is used- sometimes strategy can allow smaller forces to defeat a larger foe (like Napoleon). In other cases, its useless when mass swarms are involved (RL Russia under Stalin aganist the Nazis during the last couple years of RL WW-2).

I like the 1920 idea with Russia defeated, but I'd rather not lose Austria-Hungary. Instead, perhaps AH stays on and annexes Serbia. That's just my opinion, but I think it would be cool to see Austria-Hungary live longer than it actually done, because I've made reforms in the sysytem that makes AH harder to rip apart (at least I think so). Therefore

I vote for the Alt 1920 with the exception of the part about AH (if that makes any sense) I'd just like to continue with what I have

I like the 1920 idea with Russia defeated, but I'd rather not lose Austria-Hungary. Instead, perhaps AH stays on and annexes Serbia. That's just my opinion, but I think it would be cool to see Austria-Hungary live longer than it actually done, because I've made reforms in the sysytem that makes AH harder to rip apart (at least I think so). Therefore

I vote for the Alt 1920 with the exception of the part about AH (if that makes any sense) I'd just like to continue with what I have

Here's the revised list....

1. Russia = defeated and loses Poland to Germany, Siberia to China, and their Pacific Islands (Kuriles and Sakhalin) to Japan.

2. France and Germany stalemate (no other nations involved in Europe)

3. France loses Indochina to China and French Polynesia to Japan.

4. France keeps all her other colonies (as there's nobody to take away French colonies in South America or Caribbean, and African colonies are *MUCH* closer to Europe and therefore easier to defend)

5. Austria-Hungary survives and not annexed by Germany or such.

6. Turkish Empire remains (Voxio wanted this, I believe?)

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Are there any other modifications that we need to add or edit?

Russia loses Ukraine and Finland to nationalist groups who were supported by the Central Powers (started to happen in this game), AH annexes Serbia and Montenegro to prevent future wars. If you wonder why AH doesn't break up, Franz Ferdinand never died and instead made all ethnic groups equal, which certainly helped

Russia loses Ukraine and Finland to nationalist groups who were supported by the Central Powers (started to happen in this game), AH annexes Serbia and Montenegro to prevent future wars. If you wonder why AH doesn't break up, Franz Ferdinand never died and instead made all ethnic groups equal, which certainly helped

Add these as well.

I think it'd be interesting to see what happens to Russia. Will there be a Russian Nazi Party or Stalin becomes Hitler-like instead of Commie. Russia's position in this timeline in 1920 would very much resemble the position RL Germany found itself in our RL 1920's.

I could very easily see a Russian Nazi Party, they didn't exactly have a good history with Jews.

Also, for the sake of the game, I think that nuclear weapons shouldn't be developed, even at a later stage, simply because the game could get really messed up.
Also, can we assume tanks (WW1 style) are out there? Would this be 1920 technology?

I could very easily see a Russian Nazi Party, they didn't exactly have a good history with Jews.

Also, for the sake of the game, I think that nuclear weapons shouldn't be developed, even at a later stage, simply because the game could get really messed up.
Also, can we assume tanks (WW1 style) are out there? Would this be 1920 technology?

Tanks were developed in the later years of WW-1, but I can see tanks being somewhat "common" by 1920, and widespread by 1925 or so, provided weapon technology continues to improve and develop.

As for nuclear weapons, I'm of a general agreement (no n00b n00k-fests). However, there lies a problem- if we are to develop any kind of atomic power (nuclear power plants, fusion power, antimatter, etc.) we need to know how and develop nuclear technology. And inevitably, any technology *will* and *can* be bent into tools of war- such is human nature.

I guess what I'm saying is that we'll end up having nuclear technology at one point or another, and even so, that will lead to nuclear weapons. Look at what happened to the Internal Combustion engine- converted to use for tanks (allowing tanks to become possible).

you're right, it's an annoying dilemna. Perhaps we could do some National agreement to to Build/Use nuclear weapons, like a Geneva convention of sorts?

Should I make an IC thread for this? What should I call it, AOI 1920 thread?

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/newreply.php?do=newreply&noquote=1&p=10896394

I got a little impatient and took the liberty of making an IC thread, assuming this is going to happen. if it doesn't, just ignore the thread

Basically at the end of a war with Russia I would like to fully control a few parts of their land [Labled black on the map] and oversee the creation of some Free turkish states in southern Russia. My military, which would be large by then would occupy them until their governments were in place [Pictured in red]. What is left of the Ukraine should become an Austria-Hungary and Ottoman pupprt state [Pictured in blue].

http://www.maj.com/gallery/zekk55/WorldDomination/ng.png

I'm likely to start a recession in my country as I move off the war production path leaving room for "fascists" and Communists to take root in the new democratic government. Though this will allow factories built durring the war to produce other things.


I'll add other nations changes to the map as I go.

Well, historically, in the treaty of Brest-Litovsk Germany received Poland, the Ukraine, Finland and the Baltic states. Since Austria-Hungary is my ally I will give them the Ukraine instead. I would rather not have to garrison Finland, and granting them freedom from Russia would endear me to them, so I will do that. Germany should not just have Poland though, it should also have the Baltic states. Also, I think Russia should pay a sizeable indemnity. Not Versailles size or anything, but pretty large. Then the Central powers will split the territories not annexed into several states to limit Russias' power.

I like the puppet state. And Germany, look out for the blockade - don't starve to death...

The Kurills and half of Sakhalin were already Japanese. What about the Russian Far East (area around Vladivostok up to the Amur River)? That would become Japanese in the first place...

So we're all in favor of the Alt. History RP, I'll make a new page.

The Kurills and half of Sakhalin were already Japanese. What about the Russian Far East (area around Vladivostok up to the Amur River)? That would become Japanese in the first place...

So we're all in favor of the Alt. History RP, I'll make a new page.

Thats fine by me. That was my original intention for splitting Siberia between China and Japan.

Ok, I'm busy writing the thread now. I'll post it here first so you guys can check if I've made any mistakes...

the first draft...


The New Age (Vol. I)

This game starts in 1917, when the world is in a bitter fight. France and Russia were attacked early 1914 by the Central Powers, an alliance of Germany, Austria-Hungary, Italy, the Ottoman Empire, China and Japan. England and America remained neutral, but Britain supported the Central Powers unofficially. France struck back by attacking Germany, which caused a trench war to erupt in Alsace-Lorraine and the French-Italian border. Russia, under attack from the West, South and East crumbled early 1916 and signed a disadvantageous peace treaty with the Central Powers. Russia was carved up in several states and had to give up a lot of territory. Poland and the Baltic States became German, Austria-Hungary occupied the Ukraine, the Ottoman Empire got the Caucasus States and China and Japan divided Siberia with Japan getting the Russian Far East (the area around Vladivostok up to the river Amur) and China the rest. Finland and the Turkic nations in Central Asia became puppet states of Germany and the Ottoman Empire. In the remainder of Russia (Modern day European Russia and Byelorussia) a communist revolution broke out and the Bolsjewists under Lenin took power.

The battle with France continues however. China had invaded Indochina mid-1914 and after a short but fierce struggle the Chinese occupied the French Colony early 1915. Japan invaded and occupied the French Pacific Possessions in 1914 and 1915, the battle for New Caledonia marking the end of the Great War in the Pacific In Europe the war continued with repeated but useless attacks by both sides along the frontline. Just like in RL WWI those attacks resulted in no gains in territory but a lot of casualties on both sides. The use of Chemical and Biological Weapons was first used by China and Japan at the Battle of Chita and soon every nation used the much feared weapons.

All across the world battles have raged, and more battles are being planned. You can decide what strategy your country will follow (within reason of course). Will the US join the French and make this a true world war? Will the Russian revolutionary spirit spread over the globe? It’s up to you to decide.

Your country needs YOU!

Ooc. This is basically a continuation of the 2nd Age of Imperialism. We broke up and decided to skip a few years.

Japan: Warta Endor
China: Sharina
Germany: Elite Battle Hordes
Austria-Hungary: Hanseastic
Ottoman Empire: Voxio
Italy: Koryan
France: Titicus
Great Britain: Open
USA: Open

Rules

1. Respect other players, both IC and OOC. It’s ok to lose oneself in an RP, but don’t go too far.
2. Before you start RPing, make your fact book.
3. A decent knowledge of the history of the world and especially of your country is necessary. You can always search google for info or go to:

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/
http://www.wikipedia.org

4. I will act as a moderator, and I will appoint two other sub-moderators. They will help me with the task of moderating, acting as judge in disputes etc. I will probably also appoint a tech mod, but it must be someone with some experience and a lot of knowledge, so…
5. The Timescale will be 1RL week=1 IC Year except in cases of major wars, when we'll slow down a bit.
6. When you join, make sure that you have enough time to post regularly. Vacations and schoolwork are a good excuse for a lapse of posts.
7. Have Fun! Enjoy! Remember, it’s a GAME!

Looks good so far.

Warta, check your TG's.

Warta, what about my war with Greece? Should they continue to survive at this point without the other Balkan powers? I dunno if Greece could survive a war with a fully mobilized Ottoman Empire by itself.

Does Austria control Serbia now?

Can somebody tell me where the new bou dries of Russia lie so I can put them in my map?

Voxio, I think it is reasonable to assume you control Greece. I suppose that A-H controls Serbia/Montenegro.

So, the Russian land losses are such:

To Germany: Poland, the Baltic states and Finland.

To A-H: The Ukraine.

To Ottomans: The Caucasus.

Japan/China: Splitting eastern Russia.

if i may join as Spain?

<<< alternate history, baby >>> pour out a little liquor...

Can I request when the map is withdrawn that the border between France and Germany be readjausted so that France has occupied small amounts of Alsace-Lorraine, maybe Metz up to Strasbourg, whatever you guys think would be fair for such an attack to have captured before the stalemate

<<< alternate history, baby >>> pour out a little liquor...

Can I request when the map is withdrawn that the border between France and Germany be readjausted so that France has occupied small amounts of Alsace-Lorraine, maybe Metz up to Strasbourg, whatever you guys think would be fair for such an attack to have captured before the stalemate


Should provide for some interesting post-war tension in Europe.

Can I stay on as Argentina?

Nebarri, I think it's safe to assume you will be Spain.

So the general consensus is 1917 stalemate? Sounds good to me, I'll start ASAP. Do we need new D/N?

With the Balkan wars, I dunno. I suppose they kinda terminated as the Ottomans had more important things to do. Let's say that a cease fire was signed. I'll post the new thread tomorrow, after some sleep. I'm dead tired, just returned from a party (I admit that a drank a little too much ;))

no, no, I meant that the stalemate occurs in German territory with France having captured a few towns before the border was stabilized

no, no, I meant that the stalemate occurs in German territory with France having captured a few towns before the border was stabilized

I assumed that, the French opened an offensive which was barely stopped somewhere in Alsace-Lorraine. Metz is certainly possible, as it was like 10 miles from the border at that time. Strasbourg is harder, as it was 100-200 miles from the border.

<<< alternate history, baby >>> pour out a little liquor...

Can I request when the map is withdrawn that the border between France and Germany be readjausted so that France has occupied small amounts of Alsace-Lorraine, maybe Metz up to Strasbourg, whatever you guys think would be fair for such an attack to have captured before the stalemate
The map is temporary, after the war I will edit to show what each side gained. No point in putting that down yet as battles will likely change it.

With the Balkan wars, I dunno. I suppose they kinda terminated as the Ottomans had more important things to do. Let's say that a cease fire was signed. I'll post the new thread tomorrow, after some sleep. I'm dead tired, just returned from a party (I admit that a drank a little too much )
I had several hundred thousand soldiers waiting to invade greece. I wasn't going to stop my attack, I just want to know if I defeated greece or if I'm still at war. Either way the Greeks are pretty much boned since after years of war I would have at least 1 million soldiers, who have seen battle a few times, to send to Greece.

Voxio is right, the Russians would have mostly ignored the Ottomans due the larger threats of Germany, A-H, and Japan/China. They wouldn't do any real offensives against them, on all fronts Russia would just be trying to hold on for three years straight. This would give the Ottomans plenty chance to take Greece.

I assumed that, the French opened an offensive which was barely stopped somewhere in Alsace-Lorraine. Metz is certainly possible, as it was like 10 miles from the border at that time. Strasbourg is harder, as it was 100-200 miles from the border.


The thing was however, in RL, the atttack was meant to go far into Alsace-Lorraine, so that the German Army could surround the French army. The Schlifen plan originally wanted to do a Canae like manuever, but couldn't get a second horn, but the French Plan 17 fell right into the German's hands (also the plans that the Dreyfus affair centered around)

The thing was however, in RL, the atttack was meant to go far into Alsace-Lorraine, so that the German Army could surround the French army. The Schlifen plan originally wanted to do a Canae like manuever, but couldn't get a second horn, but the French Plan 17 fell right into the German's hands (also the plans that the Dreyfus affair centered around)

Germany constructed a though Defensive Line, so it would be hard to pass that. That's why I thought of a stalemate somewhere in Aslace Lorraine. The Cannae manouvre Schlieffen dreamed of was given up by himself in order to make the right wing strong enough. And the Schielffen plan wasn't used, Belgium remained neutral and wasn't attacked.

I agree that Greece stands little chance, and since it rarely happens Greece will be taken, I'll allow a total annexation of Greece. But be ware of unhappy greeks and small bands of guerillas.

and in the schlieffen plan germany had a lot more men - here they were all on the eastern front. This time France had the heavy numerical superiority and thats why I claimed they could capture some German holdings despite the defenses.

I'll post the new thread tomorrow since it seems that we sorted out most problems.

Sounds good to me

The New Thread! (http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10914463#post10914463)

*slight deja-vu feeeling here*