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Age of Imperialism, Version II

This is another (yes, another) alternative history RP. The previous Age of Imperialism died a few months ago and since then I have been thinking about restarting the RP. I had joined a WWI RP which had died a few weeks ago. So here’s the new RP!

January the first, year of the lord Nineteen hundred and ten. A new decennia has started and who knows what will happen? Germany is expanding its navy und so scaring Great Britain out of splendid isolationism into the arms of France. Great Britain is still world power number one and rules over the waves and large portions of the earth. France meanwhile is a major power in the world and desperately seeking revenge on Germany and reclaim Alsace-Lorraine. Russia is on the brink of collapse and in a pretty firm alliance with France in Europe. In the Far East Japan is growing and very nationalistic. They’ve beaten the Russians in a devastating war, the first non European nation to do so. They’ve recently acquired Korea, Taiwan, half of Sakhalin and the Kurrils, not to mention a large influence in China. China is really on the edge of implosion. And on the American continents, a sleeping giant called the United States of America waits and let’s the world do what it wants. Against it’s principals it has the Philippines and several pacific islands as dominions. Does this latest expansion mean the end of the Monroe Doctrine? It’s up to you to decide!

Everyone picks one nation, makes his fact book/diplomacy thread (where, obvious, small events and diplomatic issues are handled) which contains some information about his nation, his military etc. We’ll wait with starting until all major nations (US of A, Britain etc.) Some nations are already occupied, but loads of others are still free.

Don’t hesitate,

Your Country Wants YOU!

Nations Taken

Japan: Warta Endor Moderater (http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10584121#post10584121)
Germany: Elite Battle Hordes NPC Mod (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10588414#post10588414)
Russia: Nebarri Prime (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=479787)
Switzerland: Open
Italy: Koryan (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10584698#post10584698)
Spain: Trashia
Great Britain: Jamminberry
United States of America: Truitt
France: Titicus (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10856546#post10856546)
Austria-Hungary: Haneastic (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10639586#post10639586)
China: Sharina Moderator (http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=474375)
Iran: Lachenburg (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10590239#post10590239)
Brazil: Jihadin (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10596510#post10596510)
Ottoman Empire: Voxio (http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10599315#post10599315)
Australia: Kasugayama
Argentina: Franberry (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=474196)
Chile: Pythogria
Serbia: The Andromedan
Siam: Kroando (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10700921#post10700921)
Canada: Canadstein (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10765016#post10765016)

Rules

1. Respect other players, both IC and OOC. It’s ok to lose oneself in an RP, but don’t go too far.
2. Before you start RPing, make your fact book.
3. A decent knowledge of the history of the world and especially of your country is necessary. You can always search google for info or go to:

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/
http://www.wikipedia.org

4. I will act as a moderator, and I will appoint two other sub-moderators. They will help me with the task of moderating, acting as judge in disputes etc. I will probably also appoint a tech mod, but it must be someone with some experience and a lot of knowledge, so…
5. The Timescale will be 1RL week=1 IC Year except in cases of major wars, when we'll slow down a bit.
6. Have Fun! Enjoy! Remember, it’s a GAME!

Current Year: 1914

Game Status: Running

IC THREAD (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=474132)
Great War (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10785895#post10785895)

And here I am.

if it's alright I'll take the USA... :)

I will be China again, unless anyone objects.

Great to see you Sukiada!

Both of you, accepted.

Naktan, welcome to this RP. Search for info, post your factbook and check this thread regulary to see when this thing will start.

Sharina! Good to have you here! If you're not too busy with E20 and other stuff, can you help me with moderating activities?

Anyone else interested?

tentative, but I promise that it will get better...just to get something on the markete for now...bbl...

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10584537

tentative, but I promise that it will get better...just to get something on the markete for now...bbl...

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10584537

Its ok'. See you later!

Great to see you Sukiada!

Both of you, accepted.

Naktan, welcome to this RP. Search for info, post your factbook and check this thread regulary to see when this thing will start.

Sharina! Good to have you here! If you're not too busy with E20 and other stuff, can you help me with moderating activities?

No problem. I'm always more than happy to RP with you, Warta Endor. I wouldn't mind helping out with moderation as I work as a web designer all day so I have constant access to the web (unless I have craploads of web work to do).

Would it be all right if I used my original China stuff for this? I remember posting my China for the original Age of Imperialism a while ago.

I do have a few ideas how to implement a workable system to avoid god-modding and such. Perhaps a simplified point system like in E20, or something different altogether?

Italian Factbook (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10584698#post10584698)

No problem. I'm always more than happy to RP with you, Warta Endor. I wouldn't mind helping out with moderation as I work as a web designer all day so I have constant access to the web (unless I have craploads of web work to do).

Would it be all right if I used my original China stuff for this? I remember posting my China for the original Age of Imperialism a while ago.

I do have a few ideas how to implement a workable system to avoid god-modding and such. Perhaps a simplified point system like in E20, or something different altogether?

Thanks a lot! You can use your China posts.

I thinks it's a good idea to have some sort of system like in E20 because it's simple and fair. I think we should/could use that system, unless you have a beter idea.

BTW, do you have my Email?

It's about time someone started this up again! I'll take Iran this time around.

Thanks a lot! You can use your China posts.

I thinks it's a good idea to have some sort of system like in E20 because it's simple and fair. I think we should/could use that system, unless you have a beter idea.

BTW, do you have my Email?

I'll try to simplify the point system as the one in use in E20 is for 1950's and post RL WW-2 stuff.

I don't think I have your e-mail, unfortunately. But you can TG me it and I can send you a few ideas I have to guanatree neutrality and fairness in AoI.

Besides, I'm a little confused... You said 1 RL day = 11c months?

It's about time someone started this up again! I'll take Iran this time around.

That's ok, great to see you again!

Just confirming I'm here. I'll get my factbook up soon.

Switzerland Factbook (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10585339#post10585339)

Here it is.

Ok I know I said today, but I gotta do it tommorow instead. Sorry Sorry. *Bows*

I'll try to simplify the point system as the one in use in E20 is for 1950's and post RL WW-2 stuff.

I don't think I have your e-mail, unfortunately. But you can TG me it and I can send you a few ideas I have to guanatree neutrality and fairness in AoI.

Besides, I'm a little confused... You said 1 RL day = 11c months?

ehhh...I think that's 1 I C

ehhh...I think that's 1 I C

Still, what does that mean? 1 I C? Doesn't make sense to me.

I think if we went by E20's time system of 1 RL week = 1 game year, it should give us plenty of time to RP stuff out, but if we get into intensive wars, we can slow time down to 2 RL weeks = 1 game year or something along these lines.

But to alleviate the long wait times, we can do time warps after a major conflict or if there's very little action happening. We could skip 5 years or something in a single warp- suppose we had WW-1 in 1915 here in AoI, then WW-1 finishes in 1920. We time warp to 1925 when everybody has rebuilt from their war damage and such.

Just a thought on how to skip the tedium that might turn off potential players.

Could I be Kazakhstan? In 1920, the area of present-day Kazakhstan became an autonomous republic within Russia, soo Kazakhstan technically isn't part of Soviet Russia yet...although I'll probably have most of my policies based on the Russians

Still, what does that mean? 1 I C? Doesn't make sense to me.

I think if we went by E20's time system of 1 RL week = 1 game year, it should give us plenty of time to RP stuff out, but if we get into intensive wars, we can slow time down to 2 RL weeks = 1 game year or something along these lines.

But to alleviate the long wait times, we can do time warps after a major conflict or if there's very little action happening. We could skip 5 years or something in a single warp- suppose we had WW-1 in 1915 here in AoI, then WW-1 finishes in 1920. We time warp to 1925 when everybody has rebuilt from their war damage and such.

Just a thought on how to skip the tedium that might turn off potential players.

I seperated the 1 and the IC from each other... 1 IC month, meaning each month is one RL day.

I seperated the 1 and the IC from each other... 1 IC month, meaning each month is one RL day.

That would mean 2 RL weeks = 1 game year in peaceful times.

I believe this slow rate of progress will kill this RP because as it stands, we'll need a full RL year just to advance 25 game years or so. Not many people have the patience to stick it out *that* long, and we do need to keep the average player in mind, or this RP will die again.

Thats why I propose 1 RL week = 1 game year (unless war or such), and the time-warp option to skip boring or tedious years (like post-war years of boring rebuilding and such). That way, we will be able to reach 1950 or so by this fall, which should be reasonable given the short attention span of many average RP'ers nowadays.

I agree with that one :)

German factbook: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10588414#post10588414



I agree, 1 RL week should equal one IC year.

Ok, I think you're right Sharina. I'll change the timescale. (btw, IC means In Character)

Jihadin, the game starts in 1910, so Kazakhstan would still be a part of Russia. But there are loads of other countries to take.

All other guys, welcome and thanks for posting the factbooks!

And for all of you, if you have questions or ideas...

Michiel_Knoops@hotmail.com

Set me up for the Third Republic of France, please.

And wasn't this supposed to begin in 1914 as '' it is much easier to find info on military and civilian stuff for 1914 than it is for 1910. The second [reason we should start in 1914] is that a war (unless we really go astray, very much astray. There was a lot of tension in 1914) is almost certain to erupt. And people love war and war RP’s (sorry, Narodna! It’s true) and they surely will watch and enjoy the thread if we Rp in the great way we did.''

I know. but after some consideration with others (Some, including I were for starting in 1900) we started in 1910. It can give us some breathing space to start and build up in a peaceful way. And either way, the timespace will be a little higher, 1 week is 1 year and we'll skip "boring" periods.

But anyway, welcome to the game! I know you're experienced, so if you have time enough, do you want to become a mod? Sharina and me are already the other mods.

Besides the occassional intervention issues in Latin America and the Indian territories, I'm finding its very hard to US military stats...

Well here's mine.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10590198#post10590198

Iranian Factbook (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10590239#post10590239)

I would just use the 1914 numbers for the United States. I doubt there was any real change for them between 1910 and then. While European powers changed their numbers all the time due to the very real threat of war, the United States had nothing to fear but Mexico. Which is why they had low numbers like so: http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/FWWusa.htm

I would just use the 1914 numbers for the United States. I doubt there was any real change for them between 1910 and then. While European powers changed their numbers all the time due to the very real threat of war, the United States had nothing to fear but Mexico. Which is why they had low numbers like so: http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/FWWusa.htm

ok

I was thinking that myself...glad to have a second opinion :)

Bah....:p

Is Brazil open??

Mind if I join as the Ottomans?

Jihadin, Brazil is open. Search for info, post you factbook and wait till we start!

Voxio, welcome! You can take the Ottoman Empire. You know what to do.

And for all of you, if you find it hard to get any info about your country, you may take info from 1914.

Factbook (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=473589)

Do you guys know if Narodna Odbrana's still active?

Do you guys know if Narodna Odbrana's still active?

He is and I'm sure he'll be more than willing to take Austria-Hungary.

Can I claim Austria-Hungary?

And for all of you, if you find it hard to get any info about your country, you may take info from 1914.
*sigh* Too bad that wont work for me. I went through a couple wars between 1910 and 1914. But I'll try to get something up by tonight.


Just for reference is The Horde Of Doom NO in any way, shape or form?

I'll have my factbook up within the next few days as I have to dig around for my original AoI China factbook (if its still around).

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10596510#post10596510

fact book up...

Beginings of my factbook up. Hopefully it'll be fleshed out a bit tomorrow.

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10599315#post10599315

Horde of Doom, welcome to the game!

I searched for NO, but he appears to be deleted or something...

Thanks for posting your factbooks guys! As we have all the major players, I think we can start soon, probably today.

If Great Britian is stil open, I would like it.

Ok, welcome to the game! Search for info, post your factbook and be ready to begin! I'll have to leave for baseball practise, but once I'm back I'll post the IC thread.

I'd like Australia please

I searched for NO, but he appears to be deleted or something...
He's still around using his other accounts. I saw him recently in another RP which didn't last long after he started doing his thing.

He's still around using his other accounts. I saw him recently in another RP which didn't last long after he started doing his thing.

What "thing"? I'd like to know so to avoid it happening here in the RP.

What "thing"? I'd like to know so to avoid it happening here in the RP.

I don't know, he was a pretty good RPer. A very good RPer. Maybe Voxio means his very "precise" way of RPing. He wanted all details to be correct.

I don't know, he was a pretty good RPer. A very good RPer. Maybe Voxio means his very "precise" way of RPing. He wanted all details to be correct.
Yea, cuz if you get a single detail wrong he goes into a pharagraph of explanations. He roleplays quite well, it juat becomes slightly boring when you are directly invoved because you have to know every single thing about your nation to keep up. You can't casually roleplay.

It probably wasn't much to you guys over in asia since he had far less influence there, but I was Italy and he was next to me. I felt kinda bored in the RP and looking back I realized that it was because I really wasn't able to do anything he didn't like.

So now we wait. Is the countries taken being monitored and changed as we get more players? Ahh nevermind.

I need to know if Austria-Hungary is using his 1914 stats because we're in the middle of an arms race and 4 years can really make a difference.

I'll just sit around and bully Latin America until you guys need me :)

Koryan, there is no reason for you to continue your rivalry with Ausria-Hungary, now that you two are in the same alliance. If Germany (that's me) agrees to do whatever it takes to keep you two at peace then will you refocus your enmity towards France?

Italy's problems with Austria aren't just political rivalry. While Italy doesn't want war with the dual empire, we also won't let it's guard down. If Austria would hand over Italy's unredeemed lands (Trentino, Triesta, etc.), the whole rivalry thing would be over and Italy would be more than happy to refocus it's attention elsewhere.

Note: This issue was the main reason Italy turned against the triple alliance in RL.

Italy's problems with Austria aren't just political rivalry. While Italy doesn't want war with the dual empire, we also won't let it's guard down. If Austria would hand over Italy's unredeemed lands (Trentino, Triesta, etc.), the whole rivalry thing would be over and Italy would be more than happy to refocus it's attention elsewhere.

Note: This issue was the main reason Italy turned against the triple alliance in RL.

It was also one of the few things that baked the Italians at the peace conference in 1919...

Sooo when does the IC part get set? Russia at this moment is just recovering from it's mini-revolution that just got crushed. So the reason for the 1914 stats is the huge mobilization or building from 1910-1914 wasn't that much.

So you wouldn't be willing to buy those lands for A-H, then, would you?

Can I play as Australia?

I'll just sit around and bully Latin America until you guys need me :)

I'm brazil :D
Don't hurt meee :cool:

Kasugayama: You're Australia. Search for info and post your factbook. Remember that you're closely tied to Great Britain, so coordinate well with him.

PS. IC THREAD IS UP!!!

IC THREAD (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=474132)

Same would go for Canada.

Can people still join? If so,
Could I be Argentina?

I knwo its kinda far away from other nations, but its an RP,a nything could happen

(what about nations were there is no player for them)

Great to have you in!

And an interesting question you ask there. It kinda depends on the situation, but in most cases one of the Mods or any other player who isn't involved in the matter will RP the NPC.

Or we simply overthrow them with no trouble. YAY!!!

hey, I'm up for a challenge so could I join as Serbia?

Great to have you in!

And an interesting question you ask there. It kinda depends on the situation, but in most cases one of the Mods or any other player who isn't involved in the matter will RP the NPC.

Thank you, I'm trying to find info on Argentina at 1910 for my factbook
if anyone stumbles upon any, help is always apreciated, but not nessesary

I posted my OCC thread, it is at

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=474196

work in progress!

Could I be Chile?

Or we simply overthrow them with no trouble. YAY!!!

Also a possibility, but its less fair;)

And Pythogria, you're Chile

I take it we've already started?

If so, there's a couple of things.

1. I can't seem to find my original AoI China factbook unfortunately. I was wondering if I can TG you about an idea I have, Warta?

2. My internet time this weekend will be spotty (at least until Sunday) because I'm supposed to go to a birthday bash tomorrow night, then celebrate my birthday with my girlfriend (my birthday isn't until April 3rd though). So I might not be able to start posting in AoI in an IC manner until Sunday or next week.

OK, Chile. Maybe me and Franberry could have a war?

Or take over Earth...

@Sharina First of all, congrats with your girlfriend's birthday (maybe a bit early, but hey...:cool: ). Of course you may TG me, any time. I'm interested in the idea you have.

@Pythogria, fire away if you wish, but it can be wiser to chose your second option. But of course Japan will be quite annoying if something comes in it's path ;)

hey, I'm up for a challenge so could I join as Serbia?

:eek: Sorry I missed you! You're Serbia, good luck:p

Uhh a word to the wise, since I am about to send a rather nice army to Serbia, I doubt you want to actually rebel against russia. It'd be nasty.

Uhh a word to the wise, since I am about to send a rather nice army to Serbia, I doubt you want to actually rebel against russia. It'd be nasty.

I'd doubt they'd rebel. They are too fond of you and need you to much against the Austrian-Hungarians. And you have to reckon with them as well.

Whats all these airforces doin in your factbook??
Airforces were experimental in 1910, and its not until the Italy-Ottoman war of 1911 that planes actually fight. In 1910 it is impossible for people to have hundreds of planes in their air forces, maybe a couple dozen.

(OOC: if im wrong, feel free to correct me, but please show evidence)

Russia was in fact one of the first (I believe in 1910 or 1911) to have an Airforce. And since it was hard to find any info on Russia in 1910 he got permission to use WWI stats.

Russia was in fact one of the first (I believe in 1910 or 1911) to have an Airforce. And since it was hard to find any info on Russia in 1910 he got permission to use WWI stats.
hehe, how did you knwo I was talking about Russia??

First of all, I am still willing to be Serbia
Secondly - why would you send an army against me, we are allied. If you want to send an army to help, be my guest, but to invade, thats a no no
Third - You have no border with me - you'd have to go through the Ottomans or Austrians

Cause my factbook has an airforce in it. And yeah RUssia actually had an airforce early on. It just never got too big. And I am sorry. Serbia, I mistook it for Eastern Russia which also starts with an S. So my mistake. SOrry.

Cause my factbook has an airforce in it. And yeah RUssia actually had an airforce early on.
Chile's also mentions an airforce.
Did they have 360 planes early on? Im not askign you to correct, im just asking

Knowing the Russians, who always did things pretty bigstyle (if they hadn't a revolt or were bankrupt) so I wouldn't be surprised.

Knowing the Russians, who always did things pretty bigstyle (if they hadn't a revolt or were bankrupt) so I wouldn't be surprised.
hehe, you're right

It helps to have a quantity that is it's own quality sometimes.

The monroe doctrine is boring

A doctrine that cause years of subjugation and thousands of deaths is boring? WHat's not boring? Mass slaughter directly?

A doctrine that cause years of subjugation and thousands of deaths is boring? WHat's not boring? Mass slaughter directly?
I guess when you put it that way, the Monroe Doctrine (a.k.a American Imperialism) is not that boring, but it will be in this game.

Not if played right.

Not if played right.
I dont want to sit there for the game, I want to involve myself with other countries

MMMMMMMM, but that's the challenge Argentina takes. THe US has always been on diplomatic control. WHen you chose Argentina you should have realized that. THe US player is simply being acurate to the times as per his choice. I can't automatically say that everyone in RUssia agrees to the czar. I can't do that. I CAN say that I try to improve things or the DUma gets more pushy. That way later on the RUssian people WILL be more willing to follow. To think that Argentina would ask the whole world, as you have done, to ally itself with and not have the United States say a word is being nieve.

MMMMMMMM, but that's the challenge Argentina takes. THe US has always been on diplomatic control. WHen you chose Argentina you should have realized that. THe US player is simply being acurate to the times as per his choice. I can't automatically say that everyone in RUssia agrees to the czar. I can't do that. I CAN say that I try to improve things or the DUma gets more pushy. That way later on the RUssian people WILL be more willing to follow. To think that Argentina would ask the whole world, as you have done, to ally itself with and not have the United States say a word is being nieve.
hehehe, I'm trying to strengthen my position. And if the US gets in the way, well, he does not have total control over me.

Oh but there are other things to consider.

Woooohooo! Imperialism!!

Yes Imperialism.

If France, Germany (me), Japan, and whoever else doesn't back down, then either the U.S. will have to, or it will be everybody versus the United States! Well, not really. If the we don't back down from the alliances then the U.S. will just invade Argentina and nobody will lift a finger to stop them. But that would be funny if everybody teamed up against them.

If France, Germany (me), Japan, and whoever else doesn't back down, then either the U.S. will have to, or it will be everybody versus the United States! Well, not really. If the we don't back down from the alliances then the U.S. will just invade Argentina and nobody will lift a finger to stop them. But that would be funny if everybody teamed up against them.
I'm trying to solve it diplomatically. I will call on you if needed.

I have one issue with the RP so far (at least from what I've read IC-wise).

Mongolia still belongs to China in this timeline as Mongolia didn't gain independence until 1911 in RL, and with my alternate history China, Mongolia doesn't need to rebel as massive reforms are being done to help modernize Mongolia.

After much delay, my Chinese factbook is finally up.

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=474375

Its still a work in progress, though.

A note on the factbook...

The history is a fabrication from the year 1898 onwards to the current time [although the chronology ends at 1903...]. I was under the impression that we were starting with our countries at 1910, and no real changes in the prior history. Because if the latter is the case [i.e. we can change our prior histories], then I have some revisions to make :)

A note on the factbook...

The history is a fabrication from the year 1898 onwards to the current time [although the chronology ends at 1903...]. I was under the impression that we were starting with our countries at 1910, and no real changes in the prior history. Because if the latter is the case [i.e. we can change our prior histories], then I have some revisions to make :)

I have a very good reason for doing this- so to establish a backstory for my alternate history China. I'm still working on 1904 - 1910 with a very plausible alternate history scenario.

After all, Age of Imperialism = an alternate history RP, correct? This story for China is because of two reasons- first, its hard to find good stuff post-Boxer Rebellion (until 1920's onwards), and second, this should explain a lot of the actions I'm planning to take so people won't think I pulled it out of my ass or anything, while providing a concrete "historical" backstory that could have very well happened in RL.

I am pretty sure Naktan is right. Otherwise I too would also make quite a few changes.

Well thats because China was in chaos til then and normally just a puppet of one European power at the other.

Well thats because China was in chaos til then and normally just a puppet of one European power at the other.

Exactly.

Germany, USA, etc. can easily modify their history at 1910- elect or impeach their leaders, have the Kaiser die from an accident or have a government change, etc.

I want to explore having an imperial dynasty stay in China until 2000 or later, hence another reason why I started my "point of divergence" a little early. If I divergence at 1910, its no use because the imperial system died more or less by 1911. The Boxer Rebellion having a different outcome = giving the imperial system a fresh chance at working in the 20th century.

Exactly.

Germany, USA, etc. can easily modify their history at 1910- elect or impeach their leaders, have the Kaiser die from an accident or have a government change, etc.

I want to explore having an imperial dynasty stay in China until 2000 or later, hence another reason why I started my "point of divergence" a little early. If I divergence at 1910, its no use because the imperial system died more or less by 1911. The Boxer Rebellion having a different outcome = giving the imperial system a fresh chance at working in the 20th century.
should be interesting

Well I'll agree to it as long as you don't diverge too far. Like I still had to have the revolutionaries, so you still have to have these diverging warlords that CHina had. They would still be a problem in a teetering monarchy all the same.

Well I'll agree to it as long as you don't diverge too far. Like I still had to have the revolutionaries, so you still have to have these diverging warlords that CHina had. They would still be a problem in a teetering monarchy all the same.

I don't plan to going crazy. These warlords will be dealt with between 1910 - 1920 at least.

I don't plan to going crazy. These warlords will be dealt with between 1910 - 1920 at least.
I will me more than happy to help in exchange for a port!
Argentina wants to "jump on the bandwagon" and get their own Chinise enclave! :D

Is my destroyer design feasible? http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10632965#post10632965

It would run on either coal or oil

Oil would be cheaper for you. ANd it sounds pretty feasible. THough building it would be problematic. And good I plan to deal with my revoluationaries as well.

Oil would be cheaper for you. ANd it sounds pretty feasible. THough building it would be problematic. And good I plan to deal with my revoluationaries as well.
Oil it is then. (I knwo we had large reserves, but I wasent exactly sure what was the norm, I've read that both methods were used in that era)

You want some rifles and machineguns to fight the revoulutionaries?

No thanks, the RUssian machine gun is actually one of the best in this era, and our rifles are being produced faster now thanks to the economic initiative the Duma forced down the Czar's throat. We're in the middle of a power struggle at the moment, but that's alright.

And at this time alot of ships were transferring from coal to oil. It took about 10 years.

No thanks, the RUssian machine gun is actually one of the best in this era, and our rifles are being produced faster now thanks to the economic initiative the Duma forced down the Czar's throat. We're in the middle of a power struggle at the moment, but that's alright.

And at this time alot of ships were transferring from coal to oil. It took about 10 years.
ok then

You just want to get into the world stage. but remember to Europe and to Russia you're even more backwards than us. And Russia also still has a sore spot over your help to the Japanese. Remember it's only been 6 years.

You just want to get into the world stage. but remember to Europe and to Russia you're even more backwards than us.
That my goal :D
thing is, Argentina was among the top ten for wealth in that time, and im using that wealth to industrialize.

Course remember that get too strong and your neighbors may have some problems with you. Remember what happened with Bolivia only 10 years earlier.

Course remember that get too strong and your neighbors may have some problems with you. Remember what happened with Bolivia only 10 years earlier.
Do you mean Paraguay?

No Bolivia in 1900 or around there. Remember how Panama came into existance. It wanted freedom, the US gave it to it, and because it's neighbors didn't really care for it to begin with, the US got away with it.

Hi, sorry I've been a little inactive, my factbook will be up soon

Ok, I understand China's situation, Sharina.

Anyway, I hope A-H posts soon.

What country did you pick?

Where are Austria-Hungary and Britian?? they are very important countries.

And they just disappeared. That's not good. By the way every week is a year right? So isn't 1911 like right around the corner?

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10633954#post10633954
Spanish thread

And they just disappeared. That's not good. By the way every week is a year right? So isn't 1911 like right around the corner?
yeah, on monday (i think)

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10633954#post10633954
Spanish thread
Yay!

I sent u a TG, its on the first pg

You know I feel bad that every Spanish speaking country has a full military force that has less men then the smallest of my armies. But then again Russia takes forever to actually get the least bit organized. It'll be at least 7 years to get the railroads grades in the same manner. That's not even to add any railroad mileage. It's sick the amount of work it takes. THank god for numbers.

You know I feel bad that every Spanish speaking country has a full military force that has less men then the smallest of my armies. But then again Russia takes forever to actually get the least bit organized. It'll be at least 7 years to get the railroads grades in the same manner. That's not even to add any railroad mileage. It's sick the amount of work it takes. THank god for numbers.
Number is a quality in itself

I believe the quote is "Quantity is a quality all it's own. And that's only if it's 50 to 1.

I believe the quote is "Quantity is a quality all it's own. And that's only if it's 50 to 1.
Yeah, the quote is right

Not nessesarily on the 50 to 1 thing tho. It all depends on the quality. For Russia, they need to be around 1 to 3

50 to 1, that would be guys with spears vs. guy with bolt action rifle

If A-H and Britain don't post soon we will have to do something. I know Horde of Doom (A-H) hasn't even signed on his nation in six days so...


Speaking quality vs. quantity: I beleive in WWI a machine gun was worth 80 rifles firepower wise. Hmm, anyone know how many infantry a tank was worth in WWII? I suppose it depends on the nation. For Operation Barbarossa Germany invaded with 3 million infantry and a little over 3k tanks. (The SU also had about 3 million infantry, but had over 20k tanks.) The tanks seem to have been equally important so that gives 1 tank = 1k infantry for Germany, but 1 tank = only 150 infantry for the SU. A pity Germany only produced like 20 tanks in WWI.

If A-H and Britain don't post soon we will have to do something. I know Horde of Doom (A-H) hasn't even signed on his nation in six days so...


Speaking quality vs. quantity: I beleive in WWI a machine gun was worth 80 rifles firepower wise. Hmm, anyone know how many infantry a tank was worth in WWII? I suppose it depends on the nation. For Operation Barbarossa Germany invaded with 3 million infantry and a little over 3k tanks. (The SU also had about 3 million infantry, but had over 20k tanks.) The tanks seem to have been equally important so that gives 1 tank = 1k infantry for Germany, but 1 tank = only 150 infantry for the SU. A pity Germany only produced like 20 tanks in WWI.
It depens on the tank. 10 T-34's would be worth something like 100 panzer 2's

You know I feel bad that every Spanish speaking country has a full military force that has less men then the smallest of my armies. But then again Russia takes forever to actually get the least bit organized. It'll be at least 7 years to get the railroads grades in the same manner. That's not even to add any railroad mileage. It's sick the amount of work it takes. THank god for numbers.

That is actually one of the biggest myths about the Great War - that Russian mobilization would take longer than most other European mobilizations. In truth, the Russian Imperial Forces could mobilize 78 divisions in about 35 days. The Russians invaded East Prussia by the second week of mobilization [the Germans expected 6 weeks to defeat France and then turn on Russia. In part, the Germans had to react to the rapid mobilization. In effect, the Russian invasion of East Prussia saved France's ass early on, only to watch the Germans smash the incompetent Samsonov at Tannenburg [Rennenkampf was also incompetent, but he didn't lose any battles during his invasion tour...].

That is actually one of the biggest myths about the Great War - that Russian mobilization would take longer than most other European mobilizations. In truth, the Russian Imperial Forces could mobilize 78 divisions in about 35 days. The Russians invaded East Prussia by the second week of mobilization [the Germans expected 6 weeks to defeat France and then turn on Russia. In part, the Germans had to react to the rapid mobilization. In effect, the Russian invasion of East Prussia saved France's ass early on, only to watch the Germans smash the incompetent Samsonov at Tannenburg [Rennenkampf was also incompetent, but he didn't lose any battles during his invasion tour...].

It is true Russia can mobilize with surprising speed, but that only pertains to those reserves already in the west. Getting troops from Siberia or way over in Vladivostok all the way to the front takes quite some time. Not that Russia would send anyone from Vladivostok due to their needing those troops in case the Japanese try something. Hmm, I happen not to know how to show who I am quoting; anyone want to explain that to me?

Serbian thread: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10635036#post10635036

Two questions folks:
1. Does this look like the Rumpler-Taube to you guys?http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f6/BALKANHARBINDEHARLANTAYYAREMIZ-1912.jpg

I haven't been able to find out what aeroplane the Turkish Air Force used around 1910, but I've been unable to find anything more than that image which to me looks like the Rumpler-Taube.

2.How much do would you guys suggest for a price to lease the city of Tripoli from my empire?

That sure looks like a Taube. It has at least all the charactaristics of the Taube...

I've TGed both Britain and Austria-Hungary. No response what soever, so I think we;ll have to search for new guys.

MONDAY IS THE START OF 1911, 1 day is two in game months, so we have sunday free to catch up with things etc.

*Laughs Evily*
MUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA MUAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!

Guys, I thought you had reserved Switerland for me. :(

I'll pick something else...

I'll have Denmark, if you don't mind.

And where's Narodna Odbrana?

Two questions folks:
1. Does this look like the Rumpler-Taube to you guys?http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f6/BALKANHARBINDEHARLANTAYYAREMIZ-1912.jpg

I haven't been able to find out what aeroplane the Turkish Air Force used around 1910, but I've been unable to find anything more than that image which to me looks like the Rumpler-Taube.

2.How much do would you guys suggest for a price to lease the city of Tripoli from my empire?


Hey!!! Voxio!!!
What's up!!!

Anyway, when I RP-ed Turkey, I had to make an Air Force. Try to get the plans for the french Cauldron G.3. I stole the plans, and made the OS-1 and the twin engine OS-2-t

Warta Endor, can I be a Mod, since I was here last time, remember? I was Trukey. :D

I remember you! Good to have you here! But do you want to be Great Britain or Austria-Hungary instead? We had players but they haven't posted since joining this.

Yeah, we need an Austria-Hungary

I'll be Denmark, I'll try to play it more imperial, and I'll retain all of my colonies.

I'll be Denmark, I'll try to play it more imperial, and I'll retain all of my colonies.
The Danes controlled (at various periods of time) southern Sweden, Norway, Iceland, Schleswig-Holstein, Pommeria (If memory serves), Greenland, England and could also have claims for eastern Canada.

Norway? Are you sure? And know that they controlled Southern Sweden

The Danes controlled (at various periods of time) southern Sweden, Norway, Iceland, Schleswig-Holstein, Pommeria (If memory serves), Greenland, England and could also have claims for eastern Canada.

LOL! :D

I doubt Sweden, England, Germany nor Canada would like to submit to Denmark ;) Denmark had a portion of the Virgin Islands and Greenland.

Oh, I did a quick research and found out that Denmark had claims to parts of Newfoundland and even the Yukon Territory. :D

It is true Russia can mobilize with surprising speed, but that only pertains to those reserves already in the west. Getting troops from Siberia or way over in Vladivostok all the way to the front takes quite some time. Not that Russia would send anyone from Vladivostok due to their needing those troops in case the Japanese try something. Hmm, I happen not to know how to show who I am quoting; anyone want to explain that to me?

Mobilization is just getting the troops ready for battle. Besides that, you've got more people in European Russia - why get troops from Siberia [the cut-throats and stragglers]?

Mobilization is just getting the troops ready for battle. Besides that, you've got more people in European Russia - why get troops from Siberia [the cut-throats and stragglers]?

lol, right. Most of those troops are trained prisoners anyway, they were just there to enforce the will of the Czar.

This is my factbook, and news thread (Denmark).

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10637902#post10637902

Why are you discussing my military anyways? WHen did this topic start?

Russia is very interesting! :D

LOL! :D

I doubt Sweden, England, Germany nor Canada would like to submit to Denmark ;) Denmark had a portion of the Virgin Islands and Greenland.

Well, southern Sweden was militarilly controlled by Denmark, also many of Britain's surrounding islands were controlled by Denmark. But they didn't care because Denmark wasn't a threat to England (England controlled mcuh of Denmark's economy). Newfoundlands were founded by Denmark, and always a small portion was controlled by Denmark.

no, wrong

If you want, I will switch to Austria-Hungary

I retained Norway, that's my only wish. I'm trying to create a united Scandinavian Empire. Norway's freedom began in 1905, but I stopped that, and am launching a expeditionary force into Sweden to control it. Then I can create a congress from all of those countries, but Danish King Frederik VIII is still in power...

unless anyone objects, I will take Austria-Hungary. I'll check back in an hour or two, and if no one objects, I'll make my factbook

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10639586#post10639586

Austria-Hungary thread. This means Spain is open

Good we need Austria Hungary

Haneastic, now that you are A-H we need to discuss the situation between you and Italy. I ask that you secede the requested lands to Italy.

already done

Anyone know where I can get the German naval numbers for 1910? My factbook currently uses the 1914 numbers. Since in order to improve relations with GB I am discontinuing further naval production it would be nice to know those numbers. Although my discontintuation only applies to ordering further ships, so I would also appreciate any information on ships that started building before January 1st 1910. Thanks.

hi. can i join as Great Britain please?

u guys better not go all flaky on me

(OOC: Oh yeah, because declaring war because someone else is letting some other guy train on his soil, very diplomatic and un-imperialistic. I suggest we all play nice, and the US butts out of this.)

[Highly Encrypted Message to Japan]

[ooc: the USA declaring war on Argentina? the USA didn't declare war on Mexico in 1846...almost no one cared about that then...and the honest truth is no one should be caring about what's happening in America because the competition in Europe and in Asia is pressing their mind further...France should be eyeing Alsace-Lorraine rom Germany; Britain should be eyeing French interests in Africa [and vice-versa]; Germany should be watching with anxiety at their borders with France and Russia, fearing a two-front war; Austria should be eyeing the Balkans with much prejudice; Russia should be eyeing Austria because of that; Japan should be eyeing China, as nationalism there starts to throw the country into chaos, along with all the European concessions around in China and Southeast Asia [including the Philippines]; Argentina is the least thing on their minds - the Monroe Doctrine would be another reason to avoid looking at America...which Britain tacitly supported because they didn't want anyone else to take more stuff in America, so there was always the threat of war from the US [on the Monroe Doctrine] and the UK [on the threat that they wouldn't tolerate a colonial imbalance threatening their colonies] - of course, granted, I wouldn't mind changing my history to a more tolerable history, because I'd rather worry about other things than American hegemony on the Americas, granting that the mods accept it...until, it's a hard-line, mean-ass America trying to subdue all of the Americas under the United States of America - with their slogans of Manifest Destiny :)]

Personally, I wouldn't mind having an imperialistic USA in this timeline, should be interesting. :)

It is indeed interesting, and exciting to! *raises glas in toast* You are right to say that probably attention should be elsewhere, but I doubt any nation would let an ally down.

And why shouldn't we allow a US controlled America's? You can always try, and it's a though thing to archieve. Don't forget that a few western powers have possessions in the America's too.

helllllo is this still an open thread? can i please join? as Great Britain?

Norway? Are you sure? And know that they controlled Southern Sweden
Up until 1814.

Personally, I wouldn't mind having an imperialistic USA in this timeline, should be interesting. :)
It's getting a bit too interesting for me

OOC: I wouldn't mind entering as GB, I'll post a factbook in a while.

Edit:
Great Britain Factbook and News

Year: 1911

Great Britain had just emerged from the Victorian era as the most powerful empire on earth.

King: Edward VII
Prime Minister: Herbert Henry Asquith, (Liberal, assumed power April 1908)
Population: 42,138,000

Military:
Army: 60,000 regulars, many reservists

Navy: Largest in the world (still trying to find exact numbers)

OOC: I wouldn't mind entering as GB, I'll post a factbook in a while.

Edit:
Great Britain Factbook and News

Year: 1911

Great Britain had just emerged from the Victorian era as the most powerful empire on earth.

King: Edward VII
Prime Minister: Herbert Henry Asquith, (Liberal, assumed power April 1908)
Population: 42,138,000

Military:
Army: 60,000 regulars, many reservists

Navy: Largest in the world (still trying to find exact numbers)

Nice, I think we got a GB

Poor Ebedron, he was asking to have GB for a while and everybody ignored him. Oh, well.

Poor Ebedron, he was asking to have GB for a while and everybody ignored him. Oh, well.
dude, the other guy made a factbook

I know, I was just saying.

Ha...I remember this...I was America during the first Age of Imperialism...It was great fun until things got too busy in real life.

Anyway looks like I wont be playing since it seems all the good countries have been taken.

Ha...I remember this...I was America during the first Age of Imperialism...It was great fun until things got too busy in real life.

Anyway looks like I wont be playing since it seems all the good countries have been taken.

did you have problems with the Monroe Doctrine?

did you have problems with the Monroe Doctrine?
:p

did you have problems with the Monroe Doctrine?

Eh...I didnt really go by it...I built America up into a imperialistic socialist regime fighting machine.

The conflict in Europe was the socialist vs. the non socialist...and I viewed Socialism as a direct threat to the American way of life...so I sent America into Europe to help...Sweden I think it was, fight of the socialists....which in turn caused Sweden to turn into a sort of fascist state...while Germany turned sorta Nazish below it. It was great fun.

Oh...this was all after I annexed Cuba for its resources!

Also I had an ongoing conflict with Japan in the Pacific over Pacific islands and where their loyalites would be.

Overall I was sort of forced to play overseas because there were no other active North American or south American players...except maybe Brazil I think.

Oh...this was all after I annexed Cuba for its resources!

The US aneexed Cuba after the Spanish-American war

Relenquishing my control of Austria Hungary.

The US aneexed Cuba after the Spanish-American war

No we didnt.

We simply set up corporations there to make money for America...Cuba became independent.

No we didnt.

We simply set up corporations there to make money for America...Cuba became independent.
"Indipendent"..... sure (it was a puppet)

Ok, I found the fleet numbers, so no need for anyone to help. I do however have a question regarding submarine warfare in WWI. When subs are spoken of in either world war the Germans are the only ones mentioned. I know for a fact that the French and British had more subs than the Germans, so what did they do with them? Were their subs not as good, or what?

Ok, I found the fleet numbers, so no need for anyone to help. I do however have a question regarding submarine warfare in WWI. When subs are spoken of in either world war the Germans are the only ones mentioned. I know for a fact that the French and British had more subs than the Germans, so what did they do with them? Were their subs not as good, or what?

I think the Germans had the first industrialized subs...I'm pretty sure thats what was so good about them. Look them up on Wiki. They were called the U-boats...for Unterseeboot...in German.

OOC: I wouldn't mind entering as GB, I'll post a factbook in a while.

Edit:
Great Britain Factbook and News

Year: 1911

Great Britain had just emerged from the Victorian era as the most powerful empire on earth.

King: Edward VII
Prime Minister: Herbert Henry Asquith, (Liberal, assumed power April 1908)
Population: 42,138,000

Military:
Army: 60,000 regulars, many reservists

Navy: Largest in the world (still trying to find exact numbers)

Accepted, you're GB. Welcome to the game!

Hehehe sounds fine to me. ANd Russia is worried about the west, but more with Japan as well. And internal problems of course.

Accepted, you're GB. Welcome to the game!
sweet

Now we have our naval power.

Jamminberry, you have a lot to catch up on. I will help you out by telling you that on the very first page of the IC thread I (Germany) made a post that I am discontinuing my naval race with Britain. I am kind of hoping for better relations if not an alliance.

Aka everyone is looking for alliances, and being all pacisifist. Why don't you all go to arms dismobilization. Yes cut down all the militiaries.

I am going to conqure the rest of Sweden in the name of the Danish King Freidrick, onward!!!

OCC: Moving 80,000 elite cavalry, 100,000 life guards, and 300 75mm. field cannons out of my nordic command center at Oslo, and right into the heart of the swedish throne, Stockhom (I have other units than just that, but thats the bulk of the attack force). I will have the Royal Danish navy sail to set a blockade in the Baltic. No supplies will enter Stockholm, and it's people cannot retreat.

OCC: Yes, I have retained Norway. Norway didn't hate the Danes, that was Sweden. I will have some Norweigen troops accompanying me. :D

Dude, that goes in the IC thread

Voxio, waiting on your reply to my TG so I can start building

Voxio, check your factbook again, I responded to your last post there.

Any of my allies (Italy, Austria-Hungary, the Ottoman Empire) want to purchase production rights to the MG08?

MG08 is what exactly? Also Warta Endor, you might want to update the front page to show that I've taken AH, my factbook is on page 11 I think

Voxio, check your factbook again, I responded to your last post there.

Any of my allies (Italy, Austria-Hungary, the Ottoman Empire) want to purchase production rights to the MG08?
Arent I your ally *cries*

Wow thats a LONG!!! Way aways.

Yeah, that gun was made in 1918, I believe...

Oh, and sorry, I messed and thought that this was the IC thread for my invasion. Sorry.

The MG08 is the German machine gun. MG (German abbreviation for "machine gun") 08 (the year it was developed, 1908.) It was in production until 1935, when the MG34 became the main German machine gun. I don't know if A-H or Italy had their own modern machine guns (probably, but I doubt it was as good), and I doubt the Ottomans did.

Sorry Fran, I forgot.

You never know, I mean RUssia's machine guns and artillery were actually some of the best in the world. You might not think of it when you look at it. It's really just their generals that sucked.

What do you mean? Samsonov and Renenkampf were awesome! except for that little incident in the beginnig of the war

Until further notice, I won't be able to get on this forum anymore...academics have taken a dip for the worse, seeing as 6 weeks grades weren't too happy and 10 weeks doesn't look good either unless I shape up...besides, I'll be doing tours this Saturday, so I'm pretty much out of this whole NS thingy...

sorry for it, but luckily you're not in too far, so you can find a new USA :)

good luck to you!!!

Wow now we need a new US. Ok we got a new GB. SOOOOO!!! New US. And yeah.

What is Denmark claiming? The only lands that are Denmark's at this point are: Greenland, Iceland, the Virgin Islands, and of course what is modern Denmark.

Wow now we need a new US. Ok we got a new GB. SOOOOO!!! New US. And yeah.

Maybe Atlantian Islands could play the USA?

Maybe Atlantian Islands could play the USA?

Why not? Too bad to see you going Naktan. I enjoyed it!

OOC:

I would like to raise an issue.

From what I've been told, Germany had a lease on Chinese soil, specifically the Shandong province. The issue is that China won the Boxer Rebellion and that all Westerner nations relinquished their partitions and claims on Chinese soil.

Therefore, Germany does not have a lease or partition of the Shandong province (in this timeline).

Well relinquished is such a strong word. I believe RUssia has simply decided to take care of it's own issues before a horrendious crime on the part of the Chinese will force us to action.

Maybe Atlantian Islands could play the USA?

I would, guys, but when I did this last time it was during the summer....now I'm way to bogged down with sports and school work.

Sorry guys...I just came on here to see what was going on...I really dont have the time. :(

I would, guys, but when I did this last time it was during the summer....now I'm way to bogged down with sports and school work.

Sorry guys...I just came on here to see what was going on...I really dont have the time. :(

What about this summer? :)

Yes, summer is getting near I hear. Hey that rymthed if I could spell that word.

Regarding China winning the Boxer Rebellion: I agreed that China could do some modifying of its history, but I don't like this, obviously, seeing as I am Germany. Usually when one changes their history like this it is not allowed that they effect another nation's history as well. You could say that you won insofar as it pertains to your internal government structure, but not to the taking of "foriegn" lands. In other words; just pretend that Germany has the land, but everything else is different. Anyway, you will have to talk to Japan if you want the land, as I sold it to them.

What does everyone think about how we will deal with technology in this rp? What I mean by this is that since certain events will happen different than they did historically technology will develop at a different rate. Let us say for example that Britain stays neutral in WWI. If this happens who will develop the tank? What drove them to develop it was the war, and no other nation thought of it at the time. Or another example; the Nazis don't come to power. This would mean that Edward Teller and the three German scientists who were important to the Manhatten Project wouldn't have fled Europe in 1933 or so. Presumably it would take longer (certainly for the U.S.) to develop the bomb. There is also the possibility that technology could be sped up, by say Germany not losing WWI and going into that huge depression. Or a nation could put more money into a project. So, I am just wondering what everyone thinks.

I think we use certaint similar events to show how technology advanced. Like say I go to war with China, that would mean that Russia and Japan would probably go forward in Naval technology. Lets say France and Germany go to war at the same time. Well they'd probably ahve developments in such things as the tank and the airplane. Then their are other technologies like radar or the radio. Those are peace tech and therrefore probably go at the same technology rate as they did in real history. As in pennecilin will still come out when it came out. That had nothing to do with war in teh begining. And neither did radar. So those are techs that would develop at their normal rate.

What about this summer? :)

This summer Im gonna be traveling from South Florida alot....California, Texas, the carribean and Northern Europe.

If I have time...ill try...but you best find someone else :p

Yeah we probably should.

Technology would probably advcance along with the time that it was made in real life. If Britain hadn't made tanks, Germany would have, or france. As long as it would make sense in the timeline then it should be alright

Yeah, lets keep it close to reality for inventions

Ok, but if the important European scientists don't flee to America I don't see how America can get the bomb by 1945. I prefer what Sukiaida said. Besides, I think it is better if getting the bomb is delayed because once someone has it there is little oppurtunity left for war. Why do you think no major powers have gone to war since 1945?

Anyway, Fran, now is your chance to do something, since there is no U.S. player. It is cheap, but it is your only chance, assuming mods allow it. You and Brazil should declare war and annex Ecuador and Bolivia.

Ok, but if the important European scientists don't flee to America I don't see how America can get the bomb by 1945. I prefer what Sukiaida said. Besides, I think it is better if getting the bomb is delayed because once someone has it there is little oppurtunity left for war. Why do you think no major powers have gone to war since 1945?

Anyway, Fran, now is your chance to do something, since there is no U.S. player. It is cheap, but it is your only chance, assuming mods allow it. You and Brazil should declare war and annex Ecuador and Bolivia.
Wait, WHAT? no US player? What did I miss?

What is Denmark claiming? The only lands that are Denmark's at this point are: Greenland, Iceland, the Virgin Islands, and of course what is modern Denmark.

For the last time, we have kept Norway in our grasp, and are marching from Oslo, to Stockholm and fight our way up to Lillehammer.

Also, Denmark has controled the Gold Coast of Africa for centuries. Until it was taken away from them before the first world war. We plan to control the Gold Coast for years to come.

What is thsi u are talking about Denmark???

Have you RP'd this??

I think he has no idea what he is talking about. Or something. None of this is real. Denmark is weak and has no foothold in Sweden or Norway - they did 300 years earlier. Denmark never had any part of Africa

I'm very confused. The only thing I see about Denmark and Norway is a union that dissolved in 1814. We're way past that, and I doubt Denmark could raise an army of 100,000+, and defeat a nation with a land size much bigger than yours

I'm very confused. The only thing I see about Denmark and Norway is a union that dissolved in 1814. We're way past that, and I doubt Denmark could raise an army of 100,000+, and defeat a nation with a land size much bigger than yours
Land Size means nothing

But anyways, he did not RP any of this? And how did he send it across to Norway? Does he have a fleet? How many people live in Denmark?

Land Size means he cannot possibly think that he has any sort of control of the country, and also probably has gaping holes in his line (happened in Russia in 1941). Denmark's population is like a million or 2 right now

Land Size means he cannot possibly think that he has any sort of control of the country, and also probably has gaping holes in his line (happened in Russia in 1941). Denmark's population is like a million or 2 right now
I din't mean that It meant northing, i mean, the US could easily occupy Canada, and its much bigger than them. I meant that it meant less than other factors. Anyways, what he is posting makes no sense.

I'm not sure if he knows what we're doing is realistic

Are Sweeden and Norway being RP'd?

no, but together Norway and Sweden could beat Denmark any day of the week

Is anyone posting in the actual RP?

Fran, Naktan quit, so there is no U.S. player. You should use this opportunity to take over Bolivia and Uraguay. (I said Ecuador before, but mean Uraguay.) Team up with Brazil and Chile and take over South America.

I am posting in the regular RP, and yes timeline stuff does sound fine. THough I think that I will probably go to war sometime soon. Perhaps. *Grins* LALALALALALLALALA!!

Land Size means nothing

But anyways, he did not RP any of this? And how did he send it across to Norway? Does he have a fleet? How many people live in Denmark?

It's 9 million. And I'm trying to unite the Scandinavian states countries into one.

no, but together Norway and Sweden could beat Denmark any day of the week

Norway's and Swden's navy was a joke. The danish navy at the time was much bigger. And no way, Norway hates Sweden, I know because I go to Norway regularly every summer to visit my friend.

I've been RPing Denmark like 100 years early, sorry. I'll have to just stop.

I've been RPing Denmark like 100 years early, sorry. I'll have to just stop.
please do so in the main thread.

ok, just so everyone know, the Ottoman Empire was not allied to Germany or Austria or anyone in 1910 or 1911. In fact, Italy was kinda not really allied to anyone then either. It was unlikely as no one really liked the Ottomans anyways. But from what I hear this alliance is fact now, right?

I have no real problem witht that but if it is I want to know for sure that it is true and that it was rped - just tell me yes or no

On a side note - I don't think Britain would ever ally with Germany

I'm wondering if there is anything of particular or issues that involves China other than the ongoing talks between China and Japan?

I think China is left alone this time...

OOC: Sure bring Lenin over. Of course remember that the Communist were in a world where the threat of a continued ROmanov line helped as well as the problems of the First World War. Bringing out Lenin now where the Romanov line no longer seems a threat with a Duma much more involved than in real life with the concilliations of the Czar being pushed forward wheer in real history they failed. Let's say he'll find a Russia much less likely to fall into Revolution than in real history. Not to mention Lenin was allowed to escape by the RUssians way to many times. You might just try and have him arrive, only to be executed. He is banished after all and I am much harsher to revolutionaries than Nicholas was. *Evil grin* So send all the Revolutionaries you want.

No doubt you're harsher than Nocholas, you know what kind of threat they are! But I'm not sending him over, I doubt he'll obey anyone's orders. I will only approach him to see if he's, interested, in help from Japan.

And the people Bolsheviks had other reasons why they were succesful, but I agree it is unlikely a revolution will succeed. And I can imagine that the Russian Population feel sort of sorry for Nicky, because he's lost his son and wife.

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ok, just so everyone know, the Ottoman Empire was not allied to Germany or Austria or anyone in 1910 or 1911. In fact, Italy was kinda not really allied to anyone then either. It was unlikely as no one really liked the Ottomans anyways. But from what I hear this alliance is fact now, right?

I have no real problem witht that but if it is I want to know for sure that it is true and that it was rped - just tell me yes or no

On a side note - I don't think Britain would ever ally with Germany

Italy is more with the Triple Alliance now that I've given him the Italian controlled lands, and the Ottomans need a navy, so we're providing one for them, and the Ottomans may be useful down the line.

As for Germany and Britain, it's more that they don't want to get into a war then an alliance I think