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is Air Assault on the Military list? Does anything change with their fighting ability and equipment? I;m guessing on helicopters travelling light

is Air Assault on the Military list? Does anything change with their fighting ability and equipment? I;m guessing on helicopters travelling light

an air assault division is essentially light infantry and helicopters, and the helicopters and pilots are paid for seperately from the light infantry.

What do Improved Science Satellites do?

The SCT have had them for quite a while now.

What do Improved Science Satellites do?

The SCT have had them for quite a while now.

a research and development bonus at an unspecified (and random) time

a corps sized unit is around 50,000 men and is only avaliable for every 5 million in a nation's population. This is a 1% cap, and I understand this completely.

What becomes less apparent is why a single light or escort cruiser takes up 1/6th of this same cap. Does this single ship require a crew and support of over 8300 people? Do 100 fighter planes require similar numbers? I am a little bit confused, and perhaps I do not know enough about military logistics, but it seems that a nation should be able to deploy a bigger navy or airforce than the rules presently allow...

What becomes less apparent is why a single light or escort cruiser takes up 1/6th of this same cap. Does this single ship require a crew and support of over 8300 people? Do 100 fighter planes require similar numbers? I am a little bit confused, and perhaps I do not know enough about military logistics, but it seems that a nation should be able to deploy a bigger navy or airforce than the rules presently allow...

I was planning to expand my navy beyond a glorified coast guard in my 1961 build, and ran into this same problem. I'm not saying it's wrong, but I'm curious.

Han Taik aerospace begin development of a new medium Lift helicopter to replace the aging Ht-3 'Tou'

The new Helicopter called the Ht-5 'Aio' will be capable of a vareity of missions ranging from troop transport to anti submarine warfare.

Ht-5 - Troop transport
Ht-5AMT - Attack, armed with remote controlled machine guns and six hardpoints for air to air and anti tank missiles.
Ht-5SW - Anti-Submarine warfare, equipped with dip sonar and air launched torpedoes.


Basic Technical Specifications:

Name Ht-5 'Aio'
Crew: Three – two pilots and one engineer
Capacity: 24 passengers or 3,000 kg (6,600 lb) on internal/external hardpoints.
Length: 18.2 m (59 ft 8 in)
Rotor diameter: 21.3 m (69 ft 11 in)
Height: 3.00 m (9 ft 10 in)
Disc area: 356 m² (3,830 ft²)
Empty weight: 6,990 kg (15,410 lb)
Loaded weight: 11,100 kg (24,500 lb)
Maximum Take-Off Weight: 12,000 kg (26,500 lb)
Powerplant: 2× Ga'Ko Gk2-117 turboshafts, 1,105 kW (1,482 shp) each

Performance

Maximum speed: 250 km/h (156 mph)
Range: 450 km (280 mi)
Service ceiling: 4,500 m (14,760 ft)
Rate of climb: 9 m/s (1,770 ft/min)
Fuel consumption: 600 kg/hr (1,320 lb/hr)

Armament

2x AT-2 'Hyoi' ATGMs.

What's after Skylab?

Parthini']What's after Skylab?

Skylab is after the manned orbital lab, and Space Station Freedom is next step, and that is tech level 8.5

There's nothing for tech level 8? What about Moon bases, etc?

USEA military report
Circa 1961


USEAA (Army):

-Central Strategic Army Command: [General Vo Nguyen Giap]
1x HQ Unit (Saigon Military Acadamy) [Elite]

-1st Army Group: [General Tran Van Tra]
1st Light Infantry Division (Saigon Military Acadamy) [Elite]
2nd Light Infantry Division (Saigon Military Acadamy) [Elite]
2x Ht-3 Tou Helicopter transport units (Saigon Military Acadamy)
2x Elite pilots (Saigon Military Acadamy)

-2nd Army Group: [General Sunan Mongkut]
3rd Light Infantry Division (Bangkok) [Elite]
4th Light Infantry Division (Bangkok) [Elite]
2x Ht-3 Tou Helicopter transport unit (Bangkok)
2x Elite pilot (Bangkok)

-3rd Army Group: [General Lon Nol]
1st Mechanized infantry Division (Xam Nua) [Elite]
2nd Mechanized Infantry Division (Xam Nua) [Elite]
1st Armoured Division (Xam Nua) [Elite]
1st Mechanized Artillery Division (Xam Nua) [Elite]

-Saigon Aerial Defence Group:
1x Mechanized Flak group (Saigon) [Elite]

-Bangkok Aerial Defence Group:
1x Mechanized Flak group (Bangkok) [Elite]

-Army Pathfinders [General Van Tin Dungl]
1st Special Mechanised Airborne Brigade (Hanoi) [Hand picked]
1x Ht-80 transport unit (Hanoi)
1x Elite pilot (Hanoi)


UIMC (Marines):

-Central Strategic Marine Command: [General Shui Huan Bai]
1x HQ Unit (Nha Trang) [Elite]

-1st Marine Response Unit: [General Sopheap Phirun]
1st Marine Light infantry Brigade (Nha Trang Marine Acadamy) [Elite]
2nd Marine Light infantry Brigade (Nha Trang Marine Acadamy) [Elite]
1st Marine Mechanized Brigade (Nha Trang Marine Acadamy) [Elite]
2x Ht-3 Tou Helicopter transport units (Nha Trang Marine Acadamy)
2x Elite pilot (Nha Trang Marine Acadamy)

-2nd Marine Response Unit: [General Quy Vien Tu]
3rd Marine Light infantry Brigade (Louangphrabang) [Elite]
4th Marine Light infantry Brigade (Louangphrabang) [Elite]
2nd Marine Mechanized Brigade (Louangphrabang) [Elite]
2x Ht-3 Tou Helicopter transport units (Louangphrabang)
2x Elite pilot (Louangphrabang)

-3rd Marine Response Unit: [General Vanna Klahan]
5th Marine Light infantry Brigade (Surat Thani) [Elite]
3rd Marine Mechanized Brigade (Surat Thani) [Elite]
4th Marine Mechanized Brigade (Surat Thani) [Elite]
1x Ht-3 Tou Helicopter transport units (Surat Thani)
1x Elite pilot (Surat Thani)

- 1st Marine Air Support Group: [General Phan Anh]
1st Marine Air Support Wing [A4 Skyhawk light bomber unit] (Laem Chabang MAFB)
2nd Marine Air Support Wing [A4 Skyhawk light bomber unit] (Laem Chabang MAFB)
2x Elite pilot (Laem Chabang)

- 2nd Marine Air Support Group: [General Gan Yui Sho]
3rd Marine Air Support Wing [A4 Skyhawk light bomber unit] (Louangphrabang MAFB)
1x Elite pilot (Louangphrabang MAFB)


-Marine Naval Support Group: [Colonel Tu Heng Jing]
'Jiao' and 'Rong' Commando Assault carrier group (Cam Ranh)
-Jiao class Light Carriers 'Jiao' and 'Rong' and 10 destroyers


USEAAF (Airforce):

-Central Strategic Airforce Command: [General Klahan Dai Sunan]
1x HQ Unit (Vinh) [Elite]

- 1st Air Superiority Group: [General Chu Van Tan]
1st Air Superiority Wing [Dassault Mirage IIIE fighter unit] (Vinh AFB)
2nd Air Superiority Wing [Dassault Mirage IIIE fighter unit] (Da Nang AFB)
1x Elite pilot (Vinh AFB)
1x Elite pilot (Da Nang AFB)

- 2nd Air Superiority Group: [General Hoko Bao An]
3rd Air Superiority Wing [Dassault Mirage IIIE fighter unit] (Nakhon Sawan AFB)
4th Air Superiority Wing [Dassault Mirage IIIE fighter unit] (Songkhla AFB)
1x Elite pilot (Nakhon Sawan AFB)
1x Elite pilot (Songkhla AFB)

-1st Tactical Bombing Group: [General Nyugen An Phong]
1st Tactical Bomber Wing [Hong-6 Light bomber Unit] (Saigon AFB)
2nd Tactical Bomber Wing [Hong-6 Light bomber Unit] (Da Nang AFB)
1x Elite pilots (Saigon AFB)
1x Elite pilots (Da Nang AFB)

-1st Strategic Bombing Group: [General Shi Ko An]
1st Strategic Bomber Wing [CA Kirin-B Strategic Bomber] (Kracheh SAFB)
2nd Strategic Bomber Wing [CA Kirin-B Strategic Bomber] (Khon Kaen SAFB)
1x Elite pilots (Kracheh SAFB)
1x Elite pilots (Khon Kaen SAFB)


-1st Aerial Support Group: [General Heng An]
1st Aerial Support Wing [CA Kirin Lamsong Tanker unit] (Saigon AFB)
1x Elite pilots (Saigon AFB)


-Airforce Transport Divison:
1st Heavy Transport Wing [C124 Globemaster II Heavy transport unit] (Saigon AFB)
2nd Heavy Transport Wing [C124 Globemaster II Heavy transport unit] (Vinh AFB)
3rd Heavy Transport Wing [C124 Globemaster II Heavy transport unit] (Songkhla AFB)
4th Heavy Transport Wing [C124 Globemaster II Heavy transport unit] (Nakhon Sawan AFB)
1x Elite pilots (Saigon AFB)
1x Elite pilots (Vinh AFB)
1x Elite pilots (Songkhla AFB)
1x Elite pilots (Nakhon Sawan AFB)



USEAN (Navy):

-South China Sea Fleet: [Admiral Quy An Quang]
'Nyugen Ai QUoc' Heavy fleet carrier battle group (Cam Ranh)
-Nyugen Ai QUoc class Heavy Carrier 'Nyugen Ai QUoc', 5 destroyers and a replenishment ship
F8U Crusader fighter unit (Nyugen Ai Quoc CV, Cam Ranh Naval Air Station)
'Zhao Tou' Zhao Tou Class Light missile cruiser (Cam Ranh)
'Lan Xang'Lan Xang Class Heavy Missile cruiser (Cam Ranh)
1x light ship unit (5 destroyers) (Cam Ranh)
'Shou' Shou Class Nuclear Attack Submarine (Cam Ranh)
'Vinh' Shou Class Nuclear Attack Submarine (Cam Ranh)
'Veng Shi' Veng Shi Class Nuclear Ballistic Missile Submarine (Cam Ranh)

-Andaman Sea Fleet: [Admiral Xue Wu Zhou]
'Indochina' Heavy fleet carrier battle group (Phuket)
-Nyugen Ai QUoc class Heavy Carrier 'Indochina', 5 destroyers and a replenishment ship
F8U Crusader fighter unit (Indochina CV, Sattahip Naval Air Station)
'Lin Yen' Lan Xang Class Heavy Missile cruiser (Phuket)
'Lac Long Quan' Zhao Tou Class Light missile cruiser (Phuket)
'Au Co' Zhao Tou Class Light missile cruiser (Phuket)
'Hue' Shou Class Nuclear Attack Submarine (Phuket)
'Phongsali' Shou Class Nuclear Attack Submarine (Phuket)
'Vo Ling' Veng Shi Class Nuclear Ballistic Missile Submarine (Phuket)

-Northern Coast Guard Patrol Group: [Admiral Pich Veasna]
1x Patrol / Escort group (Haiphong)
1x Coastal Patrol Group (Haiphong)

-Southern Coast Guard Patrol Group: [Admiral Leon Yann]
1x Patrol / Escort group (Bangkok)
1x Coastal Patrol Group (Bangkok)

-Naval Transport Department:
1st Amphibious Assault Group (Cam Ranh)
2nd Amphibious Assault Group (Phuket)


Merchant Navy:

14,000,000 tons of shipping


IIA (Indnochinese Inteligiance Agency):

8,000 Anlysts
Ocean Trawlers
Improved Spy Satellites


Nuclear weapons stockpile:
37 Boosted fission bombs
190 Hydrogen Bombs

The Ht-80E varient equipped for Airborne Early Warning becomes available.

Ht-80E:
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Name: Ht-80E
Crew: 5 (2 pilots, flight engineer, navigator, radio operator)
Capacity: 100 troops or 24 tonnes of cargo
Length: 39.40 m
Wingspan: 38.00 m
Height: 11.03 m
Empty weight: 30,000 kg
Maximum gross takeoff weight: 64,000 kg
Powerplant: 4× Yanpei Yp-22A turboprops, 3,010 kW each

Performance:

Maximum speed: 774 km/h
Cruise speed: 668 km/h
Range:
-With maximum fuel: 4,700 km
- With maximum payload: 2,600 km
Service ceiling: 9,200 m

Armament: 2x AAM-1D Huáng Air-to-Air missiles

Skylab is after the manned orbital lab, and Space Station Freedom is next step, and that is tech level 8.5

What about Mir? Or is that similar enough to Skylab or Freedom that it doesn't get its own thing?

Current guided and unguided missiles sytems in service with USEA armed forces.

Name: AAM-1D Huáng
Length: 2.9 m
Wingspan: 630 mm
Diameter: 128 mm
Launch weight: 90 kg
Speed: Mach 2.5
Range: 1-19 km
Guidance: infrared homing
Warhead: 9.2 kg annular blast-fragmentation

Short ranged air to air missile usually mounted on Mirage IIIEs, A4 Skyhawks, the Navy's F8U Crusaders and as defence weapons on H-5 Light Bombers.


Name: AAM-2 Juo
Length: 6.2 m
Wingspan: 1,800 mm
Diameter: 355 mm
Launch weight: 475 kg
Speed: Mach 4.5
Range: 40 km
Guidance: Radar and active laser
Warhead: 70 kg HE

Long Ranged air to air missile that features on the Mirage IIIEs of the USEAAF.


Name: SAM-N-2 'Grei'
Length: 3.7 m
Wingspan: 1,000 mm
Diameter: 700 mm
Launch weight: 120 kg
Speed: Mach 3.5
Range: 50 km
Guidance: Pulsed Doppler radar energy
Warhead: 40kg annular blast-fragmentation

A compact Ant-Air weapon used on the ships of the USEAN to attack low flying attack jets at long range. Also comes in a land based version which is deployed on modified Lao ACV chassis to give mobile air cover to mechanised units.


Name: SAM-3 'Fayi'
Length: 8.6 m
Wingspan: 1,200 mm
Diameter: 840 mm
Launch weight: 2,600 kg
Speed: Mach 4
Range: 50 km
Guidance: Radio command, semiactive radar
Warhead: 140kg HE

Implemented in the Saigon and Bangkok Aerial defence groups as long range, high speed Interceptor missiles for destroying planes at medium and high altitude.

Name: AGM-1 'Kohu'
Length: 9.4 m
Wingspan: 4,500 mm
Diameter: 920 mm
Launch weight: 3,000 kg
Speed: Mach 2.3
Range: 50 km
Guidance: Active radar or anti-radar seeker
Warhead: 1200 kg impact- and direct impact-fuzed high explosive

A long ranged air launched anti-shipping missile employed on CA Kirin B Strategic bombers and H-5 Light Bombers.

Name: AGM-2 'Diam'
Length: 11.5 m
Wingspan: 300 mm
Diameter: 910 mm
Launch weight: 6,000 kg
Speed: Mach 3.3
Range: 500 km
Guidance: Active radar or passive infra-red homing
Warhead: 1,000 kg HE / 350 kT Nuclear

A large air launched munition that is capable of mounting a large HE warhead or unconventional Mid-yield nuclear warhead. The weapon is used exclusively on CA Kirin B strategic bombers.

Name: AGM-3B 'Xoui'
Length: 3 m
Wingspan: 914 mm
Diameter: 203 mm
Launch weight: 176 kg
Speed: Mach 2
Range: 16 km
Guidance: Radar-homing
Warhead: 65kg HE/ annular blast-fragmentation

A compact radar guided munition used on Mirage IIIE, A4 Skyhawks Hong H-5 Light bombers and F8U Crusaders.


Name: SSM-N-1B 'Ronh'
Length: 5.9 m
Wingspan: 2300 mm
Diameter: 750 mm
Launch weight: 2,300 kg
Speed: Mach 3.8
Range: 80 km
Guidance: Active radar
Warhead: 460 kg HE

A ship launched anti-shipping missile currently deployed in both the South China and Andaman sea fleets onboard Lan Xang class Heavy missile cruisers and Zhao Tou Class light missile cruisers.


Name: SSM-2C 'Piu'
Length: 11.5 m
Wingspan: 300 mm
Diameter: 900 mm
Launch weight: 5,800 kg
Speed: Mach 2.7
Range: 70 km
Guidance: Ballistic
Warhead: 630 kg HE/ 300 kT Nuclear

Unguided Ballistic rocket used by the 1st Mechanized Artillery Division of the 3rd Army Group. It can mount a powerful HE explosive or a Nuclear warhead.


Name: AT-2D 'Hyoi'
Length: 3 m
Wingspan: 914 mm
Diameter: 203 mm
Launch weight: 11 kg
Speed: 115.4 m/s
Range: 3 km
Guidance: Wire Guided
Warhead: 4kg HEAT

Portable Wire guided anti tank missile mounted on helicopters and armoured vehicles.

Han Taik aerospace begin development of a new medium Lift helicopter to replace the aging Ht-3 'Tou'

The new Helicopter called the Ht-5 'Aio' will be capable of a vareity of missions ranging from troop transport to anti submarine warfare.

Korea would like to purchase two units of Ht-5s to replace its sorely outdated Ht-1 Jin helicopters. If possible, it would like to acquire USEA-made missiles for use by the IKAF.

What about Mir? Or is that similar enough to Skylab or Freedom that it doesn't get its own thing?

its actually Manned Orbital Lab, upgraded as time goes on (which is why it lasted so long)

China's Military as of end of 1961:

China Army:

20 Infantry Corps (40 divisions)
10 Armored Corps (20 divisions)
10 Mechanized Flak Corps (20 divisions)
10 Mechanized Artillery Corps (20 divisions)
10 HQ units

China Air Force:

24 units of Dassault Mirage V's (2400 fighters)
12 units of Kirin-B Strategic Bombers (600 bombers)
36 active pilot units
6 reserve pilot units

China Naval Force:

10 Nuclear Attack Submarines

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GB, I can no longer view the World In Flames map for Asia. It says I have to be a paying customer or something to view it. Whats up with that?

So if I can't use the World In Flames map, then do you know of any good military type of map I could use to clearly label my deployments as you asked me to do a week or two ago?

its actually Manned Orbital Lab, upgraded as time goes on (which is why it lasted so long)

So, can we put like 7 MOLs together and make like a super-Mir?

What is there there to do after the Moon? We're nearing the end of the list :)

Korea would like to purchase two units of Ht-5s to replace its sorely outdated Ht-1 Jin helicopters. If possible, it would like to acquire USEA-made missiles for use by the IKAF.

Unfortuantely the Ht-5 helicopters are still in the development stage, but should be completed around 1962.
As for missiles, the manufacturers Tian' do , Han Taik and Ban Toi would be more than happy to supply sufficent supplies of missiles to the IKAF.

Mirage V fighter bomber air combat 13, strike 4, all weather capable, cost 3, maintenance .5 (France/China)

This is not true, the Mirage V was completely the opposite of all weather capable, in fact the Israelis for whom the the Mirage V was designed, specifically requested that avionics normally used in adverse weather conditions should be removed (Because weather in the Middle East is clear and sunny most of the time) in favour of more fuel and weapons.

GB, I can no longer view the World In Flames map for Asia. It says I have to be a paying customer or something to view it. Whats up with that?

Sharina, I have it saved as a JPG so if you TG me your e-mail address I can send it over to you, it's still 2.4MB though so I hope you have broadband! If not I can try to trim it down to leave only China on it, though this will have to wait a few days whilst I catch up on 2 years worth of NPC builds on top of A level revision...

Nigeria contacts Britain regarding the purchase of Buccaneer's for Nigeria's airforce in the next fiscal year.

Unfortuantely the Ht-5 helicopters are still in the development stage, but should be completed around 1962.
As for missiles, the manufacturers Tian' do , Han Taik and Ban Toi would be more than happy to supply sufficent supplies of missiles to the IKAF.

Very well, we can make do with Ht-3s or 4s. Anything for an upgrade.

This is not true, the Mirage V was completely the opposite of all weather capable, in fact the Israelis for whom the the Mirage V was designed, specifically requested that avionics normally used in adverse weather conditions should be removed (Because weather in the Middle East is clear and sunny most of the time) in favour of more fuel and weapons.

non all weather version would get a performance upgrade of 1 for strike, while air to air and range remain unchanged (difference not enough to be measurable in the context of the rating system)

Very well, we can make do with Ht-3s or 4s. Anything for an upgrade.

The Ht-3 'Tou' which is the current model is a capable helicopter though I seriously suggest waiting just another year for the Ht-5 which is vastly superior.
(It is based off the Mil Mi-8 Hip)

This is not true, the Mirage V was completely the opposite of all weather capable, in fact the Israelis for whom the the Mirage V was designed, specifically requested that avionics normally used in adverse weather conditions should be removed (Because weather in the Middle East is clear and sunny most of the time) in favour of more fuel and weapons.

I will hold off upgrading my Mirage III's to Mirage V's until this issue is resolved (whether to upgrade to Mirage V's or Mirage F-1's). So my 72 points I spent are in a "freeze" until this is solved.

LR, thanks for the offer. How large is the file? I'm on 56k dialup modem, and it takes forever to download huge files.

BTW, are Space Planes like shuttles? So would the US be using the Space Shuttle and I could use, say, the Soviet Buran?

non all weather version would get a performance upgrade of 1 for strike, while air to air and range remain unchanged (difference not enough to be measurable in the context of the rating system)

But that doesn't make sense.
The Mirage V is just a Mirage IIIE with some of the avionics removed in favour of weapons and fuel.

So if the Mirage IIIE has:
air combat 10, strike rating 4, range medium, all weather

Then the Mirage V should be:
air combat 13, strike rating 4, range medium

Parthini']BTW, are Space Planes like shuttles? So would the US be using the Space Shuttle and I could use, say, the Soviet Buran?

No, the Space shuttle is tech level 8.
The Space pklanes you have now are small one or two man craft.

The Ht-3 'Tou' which is the current model is a capable helicopter though I seriously suggest waiting just another year for the Ht-5 which is vastly superior.
(It is based off the Mil Mi-8 Hip)

Very well then. The IKAF can wait. While we're at it, can Hong Aircraft license the rights to the missiles you just sold us?

Japan would like to purchase 2 F8U unit's from the United States

I was wondering about China asking the Dassault company to construct the Mirage F-1. Should the F-1 be available in 1961, 1962, or 1963? I believe the stats of the F-1 should be like this...

Air combat 14, strike 4, range medium, all weather capable, cost 3, maintenance .5


Also, what planes does China have that are carrier-capable? The Mirage V's? Or the Mirage F-1's (when they come out)?

From what I can tell, Germany makes the F1 in the shape of the DO 400.

BTW, what is up with Germany making shitty (compared) planes? I mean, the only thing worse than my planes are Pakistan's...

The problem is that everyone seems to think their planes should be the best when historically they really weren't.

The problem is that everyone seems to think their planes should be the best when historically they really weren't.

Granted, but, correct me of I'm wrong, didn't Germany make pretty darn good planes until the utter obliteration and disunification of said country?

Parthini']So, can we put like 7 MOLs together and make like a super-Mir?

What is there there to do after the Moon? We're nearing the end of the list :)

efing Mars............n the space elevator....maybe....

Parthini']From what I can tell, Germany makes the F1 in the shape of the DO 400.

BTW, what is up with Germany making shitty (compared) planes? I mean, the only thing worse than my planes are Pakistan's...

you will get the Panarva Tornado when it comes along

I was wondering about China asking the Dassault company to construct the Mirage F-1. Should the F-1 be available in 1961, 1962, or 1963? I believe the stats of the F-1 should be like this...

Air combat 14, strike 4, range medium, all weather capable, cost 3, maintenance .5


Also, what planes does China have that are carrier-capable? The Mirage V's? Or the Mirage F-1's (when they come out)?

The French used the Enterard for carrier ops, and the F1 isn't a good fighter plane, its more like the A7 or Jaguar.. I will look at aircraft this weekend and post updates through 1966

Japan would like to purchase 2 F8U unit's from the United States

sale is approved

ooc
although in all the Godzilla movies that came out in the 1970s the Japanese had F4 Phantoms (chuckle)

No, the Space shuttle is tech level 8.
The Space pklanes you have now are small one or two man craft.

at this point, the space planes in use (the X15C, X20 Dynasoar and whatever the Germans call theirs) are only good for crew transfers and as emergency vehicles for the MOLs

Resupply has to be handled by single piloted Gemini sized spacecraft or Apollo sized spacecraft.

The Shuttle (and the Soviet version as well) are tech level 8, and the price will be high (although a little cheaper then historical as more experience available in manned space planes)

But that doesn't make sense.
The Mirage V is just a Mirage IIIE with some of the avionics removed in favour of weapons and fuel.

So if the Mirage IIIE has:
air combat 10, strike rating 4, range medium, all weather

Then the Mirage V should be:
air combat 13, strike rating 4, range medium

the Mirage V also has a better engine then the Mirage III

The French used the Enterard for carrier ops, and the F1 isn't a good fighter plane, its more like the A7 or Jaguar.. I will look at aircraft this weekend and post updates through 1966

Okay.

I need to know whether I should still upgrade to the Mirage V's or wait for better fighters to come out (that can compete with the US F-series when they come out, like F-14 Tomcat, F-15 Eagle, F-18 Hornet, etc.)

So I guess I will freeze my upgrade build (72 points) until I know for certain whether to upgrade or not this "year".

The French used the Enterard for carrier ops, and the F1 isn't a good fighter plane, its more like the A7 or Jaguar.. I will look at aircraft this weekend and post updates through 1966

Do TA 202s work for carriers? Can you make what planes are carrier capable more obvious to us non-plane enthusiasts...

And I need to think of a cool name for my planes...

Very well then. The IKAF can wait. While we're at it, can Hong Aircraft license the rights to the missiles you just sold us?

Yes the missiles can be licensed to Hong Aircraft.

Parthini']Do TA 202s work for carriers? Can you make what planes are carrier capable more obvious to us non-plane enthusiasts...

And I need to think of a cool name for my planes...

wait for the update for answers

LR, thanks for the offer. How large is the file? I'm on 56k dialup modem, and it takes forever to download huge files.

I'll trim it down to show just China and a bit of the neighbouring countries, i'll let you know how big it is when i'm finished.

EDIT: Never mind, problem was easier than first appeared

Egypt will be performing an underwater nuclear test this year to decide whether an underwater nuke could disable a enemy fleet and if the effective radius is too large to use in the eastern Mediterranean and/or Red Sea. This is particuarly important to the Republican Navy, as a successful test could change the government's mind about investing in nuclear-capable ships.

Secret Details (Most will become publically avaliable a few days/weeks)
Test Time: Sometime between Monsoon Seasons (just in case it accidently detonates above water)
Test Location: Just South of the Arabian Sea
Nuke Yield: 20 Kilotons
Test Subjects:
-1 Civilian Fishing Vessel (Right over the nuke)
-2 Civilian Barges (One a mile north of the nuke, one a mile south)
-1 Military Transport Group (5 Miles from nuke)
-1 Heavy Missile Cruiser (10 Miles from nuke)

All test ships are equipped with radiation monitoring devices, heat sensors and all that good stuff. Cameras are also placed on each ship so the film can be used by scientists. An E-1 Tracer will be the intel-gathering aircraft and Arab League nuclear scientists will be present to study the blast and make recommendations. Long-term research on how to the radiation travels through the water, how much escapes into the atmosphere, and EMP effects.

Secretly, the fishing vessel right over the nuke will be populated by a few of President Nassar's enemies that want a religious government. If the vessel survives, the "test subjects" will be examined for the effects of underwater blasts on humans before being rewarded with a bullet to the head. This won't be in the public report.;)

if this is Koryan, there is a new thread for military matters

Egypt will be performing an underwater nuclear test this year to decide whether an underwater nuke could disable a enemy fleet and if the effective radius is too large to use in the eastern Mediterranean and/or Red Sea. This is particuarly important to the Republican Navy, as a successful test could change the government's mind about investing in nuclear-capable ships.

Secret Details (Most will become publically avaliable a few days/weeks)
Test Time: Sometime between Monsoon Seasons (just in case it accidently detonates above water)
Test Location: Just South of the Arabian Sea
Nuke Yield: 20 Kilotons
Test Subjects:
-1 Civilian Fishing Vessel (Right over the nuke)
-2 Civilian Barges (One a mile north of the nuke, one a mile south)
-1 Military Transport Group (5 Miles from nuke)
-1 Heavy Missile Cruiser (10 Miles from nuke)

All test ships are equipped with radiation monitoring devices, heat sensors and all that good stuff. Cameras are also placed on each ship so the film can be used by scientists. An E-1 Tracer will be the intel-gathering aircraft and Arab League nuclear scientists will be present to study the blast and make recommendations. Long-term research on how to the radiation travels through the water, how much escapes into the atmosphere, and EMP effects.

Secretly, the fishing vessel right over the nuke will be populated by a few of President Nassar's enemies that want a religious government. If the vessel survives, the "test subjects" will be examined for the effects of underwater blasts on humans before being rewarded with a bullet to the head. This won't be in the public report.;)

repost that please... here
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=485306