NationStates Jolt Archive

(UHHH ok ok now I got a problem here. Indonesia and Malaysia may have been at little risk, but the Philippines has sent protection fleets to help them out in case of an emergency. And it was the SOuth Seas Alliance that helped their economies recover. Truthfully GB I have seen a pattern of you having every NPC throw it's alliance into the wind if it's allied to the UIP. It's starting to show a pattern. Cause honostly all the NPC's just jump the gun and automatically throw me out. THey would talk first instead of starting to demand things. Suspicion doesn't lead to automatically ending an Alliance.)

It's because you act so irrationally that they see no reason to talk with you. Not to mention they have better offers elsewhere.

It's like when the Kaiser initiated a Coup in the Reichstag. My allies in Britain ditched me and haven't reallied until after the '64.

All actions have equal and opposite reactions.

What is the current build for Algeria?

Hm

First off, your making it sound like its been loads of nations, when were only talking about two, Malaysia and Indonesia, who would be closer to Australiasia anyway. And they do have better offers, personally I would rather have Columbian/FNS/Australian protection than Filipino protection.

Uhhh why would they be closer to Australasia. Most of the Malaysians and Indonesians are natives. Aka Non-Anglo. Australasia has already proven extremelly racist to the Chinese, while the UIP welcomed them with open arms with little to no violence. And the Filipinos are mostly native islanders. Racialy, and economically Australasia is the odd one of the four nations. And the Philippines was offered in that deal as well. I'd bet even money that Columbia retracts it's offer.

WOw that was fast, already happened.

Except not. The Australians basically built the Indonesian and Malaysian Economies. Probably 70% of their factories and shipping units came from Australian pocket books. I think the most that the Phillippines have done is build like 3 shipping units.

Columbia never offered, I have plans to in the future but that is a different story.

Malaysia and Indonesia are tied economically and politically to Australasia...look who gave them independence in E20...and built the foundation for their economies. You want to talk race and ethnicities, the Philipines is a huge mix, look at real and the race and ethnic issues in the Philipines and across SE Asia, Indonesia and Malaysia are not ethnically or racially the same as the Philipines. Though, granted, they may be closer than Australia, but not AustralASIA which includes millions of "Natives". DOn't know why the INdonesians and Malaysians would be close with the Chinese anyway?

(Fine. I'll do this diplomatically.)

The UIP sends messages to Indonesia and Malaysia asking about some disturbing news that they desire to break up the SOuth Seas Alliance, or at least kick the Philippines out of it. Not wanting to be isolated from it's neighbors, the Philippines wonders if this kind of drastic action is warranted.

(There. By the way, Germany, I posted in your Countries forum.)

(UHHH ok ok now I got a problem here. Indonesia and Malaysia may have been at little risk, but the Philippines has sent protection fleets to help them out in case of an emergency. And it was the SOuth Seas Alliance that helped their economies recover. Truthfully GB I have seen a pattern of you having every NPC throw it's alliance into the wind if it's allied to the UIP. It's starting to show a pattern. Cause honostly all the NPC's just jump the gun and automatically throw me out. THey would talk first instead of starting to demand things. Suspicion doesn't lead to automatically ending an Alliance.)

consider this your last warning.. stop questioning every decision or your done

The Philippines are free to raise a diplomatic ruckus, in the appropriate threads. But You as a player are supposed to abide by the rules, which are to accept referee decisions, particularly regarding NPC nations. You have clearly not read the background that was laid over the weekend indicating that the Moslem Malaysians and Moslem Indonesians have rejected China and its allies because as far as they can tell, they brought ruin on themselves and damn near everyone else in Asia. They are pursuing neutrality, and the Philippines has not done so at all.

So knock it off or your nation will have a coup and become NPC

Alright, but can you respond NPC to my IC stuff.

GB, would this mean that the Muslim Indonesia and Malaysia might want to help me or join in some sort of trade agreement?

GB, would this mean that the Muslim Indonesia and Malaysia might want to help me or join in some sort of trade agreement?

ooc
they are actually hoping peace will break out, but if all else fails, they intend to remain neutral.

As tensions continue to rise in South Asia, and fighting breaks out (which I haven't posted yet but will tonight), they are going to continue to push the Australiasians toward creating some kind of neutrality pact in the Southeast Asia region

Failing that, they will back the UK, Australasia, Oman, and the majority of the British Commonwealth.

remember everyone, these are Commonwealth nations that benefited greatly from British, American and Australasian investment over the last few years since the Third Great War. If they lean toward anyone, its them, but they would prefer not to be a battlefield.

this is what happens when I dont log on for one day? My backyard explodes into infighting?

Ok.

1) All good point on why Indonesia and Malyasia are fans of the Australasians. I might point out that yeah the Filipinos helped protect them, but my fleet is 4 times bigger and shinier and helped too. Also, the Australian government is reorganized in 1970 to give Polynesians more representation. See my thread. That should help some too.

2) Those two nations also lean toward me b/c I pour points into them every year in my intel budget to make sure ppl are elected that back me. That is secret knowledge IC of course, though it is posted out in the open on every build I have made since the mid-1950s...

3) Sukiaida, this sucks. OOC I have no problems with an alliance. Apparently the NPCs do, and I have put too much work into them to abandon them. (IC. With regret, the Australian government subcumbs to pressure from its fellow Commonwealth members and begins distancing itself from the Philippines. Diplomatic notes are sent in the hope that Manila will understand and remain on cordial terms with Canberra)

4) Pressure is put on Indonesia/Malyasia (whichever one hasnt joined yet) to accept membership in the PRTO (pacific rim treaty alliance) with Australia and Columbia and the FNS.

That's alright. THough I doubt Ms. Wong the Australian wouldn't use it to get Chinese votes inside Australia and become a politician like her father.

On Febuary 12, 1970 Ministers from South Africa, Britain and Germany meet in Windhoek to discuss the reworking of the Treaty of Daresalaam. At the meeting, all three agree that the ToD has many good points, but bumps with Germany have caused it to fraction multiple times. Now however, with closer ties in the EEC and closer ties with South Africa due to immigration, the three nations have agreed to re-ratify the treaty.

However, and most importantly, all three have agreed to expand the signatures past the three of them. After the signing, all three agree to let other nations sign. Included in the invitation are members of the EEC, hoping that it can be a treaty to solidify the ties of Europe, as well as EEC allies. Thus:

EEC
Huron
New England
Dixie
Texas
Mexico
Arab Federation
United Islamic Republic
Any member of the Commonwealth of Nations
Jerusalem
Syria
Ethiopia
Congo
Iceland

are specifically invited to join. Other nations are informed that if they wish to further their ties with the EEC or CoN that they should apply for signatory status.

The Goal of the Treaty of Daresalaam is to provide a mutual protection for all signatories as well as to further the cause of World Peace. The Treaty of Daresalaam does not specify that other treaties are invalid, but hopes that all treaties might be treated as quests for peace and thus equal to the ToD. It also specifies that, like the EEC, no memeber is a lesser to any other member, and even members such as Liechtenstein are invited and welcomed, as long as their goals are paramount to the universal goal of World Peace and Brotherhood.

Interesting. We hope that those who are invited become signitories.

Parthini']On Febuary 12, 1970 Ministers from South Africa, Britain and Germany meet in Windhoek to discuss the reworking of the Treaty of Daresalaam. At the meeting, all three agree that the ToD has many good points, but bumps with Germany have caused it to fraction multiple times. Now however, with closer ties in the EEC and closer ties with South Africa due to immigration, the three nations have agreed to re-ratify the treaty.

However, and most importantly, all three have agreed to expand the signatures past the three of them. After the signing, all three agree to let other nations sign. Included in the invitation are members of the EEC, hoping that it can be a treaty to solidify the ties of Europe, as well as EEC allies. Thus:

EEC
Huron
New England
Dixie
Texas
Mexico
Arab Federation
United Islamic Republic
Any member of the Commonwealth of Nations
Jerusalem
Syria
Ethiopia
Congo
Iceland

are specifically invited to join. Other nations are informed that if they wish to further their ties with the EEC or CoN that they should apply for signatory status.

The Goal of the Treaty of Daresalaam is to provide a mutual protection for all signatories as well as to further the cause of World Peace. The Treaty of Daresalaam does not specify that other treaties are invalid, but hopes that all treaties might be treated as quests for peace and thus equal to the ToD. It also specifies that, like the EEC, no memeber is a lesser to any other member, and even members such as Liechtenstein are invited and welcomed, as long as their goals are paramount to the universal goal of World Peace and Brotherhood.

The matter will require study, at least by the NPC nations

OOC: I forgot a few others: Basra, Kurdistan, Morocco and Algeria.

But I would assume the EEC nations would sign on immediately, no?

Every alliance I was in crumbled. Wow I'm isolated. Oh well.

Every alliance I was in crumbled. Wow I'm isolated. Oh well.
The ATO is next door and comprises nost of the old SCT members.

Has it been created yet though?

Has it been created yet though?

It has, and I thought you were included

Where is it's posting? Oh wait this problem again. It hasn't been linked yet.

Basra and Kurdistan are encouraged by the UIR to join the treaty of Daressalaam

GB: TG based on your Marcos post. And a Third World War question.

ooc: Indonesia and Malyasia are both invited into the Pacific Rim Treaty Organization (PRTO). Australia and Columbia are members. Do they join?

IC: The Australasian Parliament fails to ratify Dar es Salaam when the treaty is half-heartedly brought to the floor by an old imperial loyalist. The nation's commitments to the Pacific preclude it from too many entangling alliances elsewhere, especially as membership in the PRTO was ratified just weeks earlier.

Indonesia and Malyasia are "leaned on" (come on points influence!) to follow the Aussie example. In addition, both nations are contacted in the hope that naval exercises could be conducted to promote unity in the defense of the region.

Malaysia and Indonesia join willingly (without any pressure actually) the proposed Pacific Alliance

especially when it becomes clear that the situation in Asia is growing more tense instead of more peaceful

Parthini']On Febuary 12, 1970 Ministers from South Africa, Britain and Germany meet in Windhoek to discuss the reworking of the Treaty of Daresalaam. At the meeting, all three agree that the ToD has many good points, but bumps with Germany have caused it to fraction multiple times. Now however, with closer ties in the EEC and closer ties with South Africa due to immigration, the three nations have agreed to re-ratify the treaty.

However, and most importantly, all three have agreed to expand the signatures past the three of them. After the signing, all three agree to let other nations sign. Included in the invitation are members of the EEC, hoping that it can be a treaty to solidify the ties of Europe, as well as EEC allies. Thus:

EEC
Huron
New England
Dixie
Texas
Mexico
Arab Federation
United Islamic Republic
Any member of the Commonwealth of Nations
Jerusalem
Syria
Ethiopia
Congo
Iceland

are specifically invited to join. Other nations are informed that if they wish to further their ties with the EEC or CoN that they should apply for signatory status.

The Goal of the Treaty of Daresalaam is to provide a mutual protection for all signatories as well as to further the cause of World Peace. The Treaty of Daresalaam does not specify that other treaties are invalid, but hopes that all treaties might be treated as quests for peace and thus equal to the ToD. It also specifies that, like the EEC, no memeber is a lesser to any other member, and even members such as Liechtenstein are invited and welcomed, as long as their goals are paramount to the universal goal of World Peace and Brotherhood.

New England, Huron, Dixie, Texas decline politely for the moment, figuring that NORAD takes care of their relationship with the British, Huron is happy enough to remain in a bilateral treaty with the Russians, and none of the governments feel it will pass their legislatures for approval. Iceland also turns it down for the moment.

Congo, Oman and the remaining British Commonwealth nations in Africa will follow the South African lead. (which is yes)

NPC EEC nations will go along with it, including the Swiss

Ethiopia doesn't have a government at the moment

Malaysia and Indonesia join willingly (without any pressure actually) the proposed Pacific Alliance

especially when it becomes clear that the situation in Asia is growing more tense instead of more peaceful

Pleased to hear it. That pressure was also to keep them out of Dar es Salaam, and that was actually the more important goal. What do they do about that?

Pleased to hear it. That pressure was also to keep them out of Dar es Salaam, and that was actually the more important goal. What do they do about that?

follow your lead

New England, Huron, Dixie, Texas decline politely for the moment, figuring that NORAD takes care of their relationship with the British, Huron is happy enough to remain in a bilateral treaty with the Russians, and none of the governments feel it will pass their legislatures for approval. Iceland also turns it down for the moment.

Congo, Oman and the remaining British Commonwealth nations in Africa will follow the South African lead. (which is yes)

NPC EEC nations will go along with it, including the Swiss

Ethiopia doesn't have a government at the moment

What about Syria, Kurdistan and Basra?

Also, I'm assuming that means that the rest of the European nations (Belarus, Greece, Cyprus, Ukraine, SU, etc.) joined the EEC so that all of Europe is EEC?

The Arab Federation approaches the Syrian government about a possible merger between their two nations.

OOC: The AF gov't allocated 4.25 points per year during the 'jump' period in order to bolster support for the merger.

follow your lead

excellent...

Malaysia and Indonesia find a large group of Filipino Pacifists crowding to talk to their govenrment officials. All of them seem scared out of their minds at having some return to stability in the SOuth East Asian area. They uote the continued neutrailty in the Crisis in South Asia as a sign that there is no danger of the Philippines going to war or dragging anyone into a war.

THey do quote that the feelings back home are getting extremelly frayed. Indonesia and Malyasia's removal of the Philippines as an ally has left it swimming in an ocean between a dozen different possible enemies. They continue to try to ask what the two countries may want to return the original alliances.

Both governments tell the Philippines that an end to Filipino military agreements with China, Indonesia and any other power besides PCT nations would be the main step required to win over their governments

OOC
although thats pretty unacceptable from a political and diplomatic point of view, but thats what they want. I would think your government wouldn't be amused

Bhutan, Tibet, Nepal and Kashgaria sign an alliance and ask (beg) the UN to guarantee their security. In additon, the government of Kashgaria provides evidence that the Chinese are conducting a massive military buildup and insist that they have not been guilty of anything close to misconduct in regards to Chinese refugees and ask the UN High Commissioner on Refugees to visit and confirm that they are speaking the truth

In addition, they ask NORAD to confirm their claim, and the NORAD alliance agrees to release some photos verifying the truth of the Chinese military buildup

Bhutan and Nepal are publically reassured of their military protection by Britain and the Commonwealth. See Commonwealth thread for further details.

France assures Nepal, Bhutan and Kashgaria that the Republic shall comit all efforts, diplomatic and otherwise, to help maintain the involiability of the soverignty of nations and announces it will be officially guranteeing the independance of Bhutan, Kashgaria and Nepal.

The UIR will back France

OOC: France, ToD chatzy

China makes it clear that China will not be undertaking any action towards or aganist Bhutan and Nepal at all. We have already guanatreed their neutrality, meaning that China is interested in keeping Bhutan and Nepal independent and neutral.

Bhutan and Nepal are considered the "Asian Switzerland" by China and shall remain so.

China makes it clear that China will not be undertaking any action towards or aganist Bhutan and Nepal at all. We have already guanatreed their neutrality, meaning that China is interested in keeping Bhutan and Nepal independent and neutral.

Bhutan and Nepal are considered the "Asian Switzerland" by China and shall remain so.

The UIR quietly notices that China said nothing about Kashgaria, and begins to worry

India continues along with talks concerning a "Neutrality Alliance" and greater cooperation between India, Bhutan, Nepal, and Kashmir. It proposes the Indian Subcontinent Neutrality and Trade Pact, a mutual defense treaty and trade agreement between the respective non-aligned states of the subcontinent.

Bhutan, Tibet, Nepal and Kashgaria sign an alliance and ask (beg) the UN to guarantee their security.

India continues to press Bhutan, Nepal, and Kashmir to join the proposed Indian Subcontinent Neutrality and Trade Pact while at the same time continues advocating that Nepal and Bhutan abandon their alliances with Tibet and Kashgaria. It is pointed out that despite Europe’s rhetoric Europe cannot and will not protect either and that Bhutan and Nepal would be wise to leave Tibet and Kashgaria to their "inevitable fate." India's Ambassadors to Bhutan, Nepal, and Kashmir also privately convey that President/Prime Minister Gandhi has privately spoken with President Heng Ming by phone and has secured their nations security and neutrality.

"Only India can guarantee your nation's safety and independence in this increasingly violent world. Only India can guarantee that your nations will not become pawns and victims of the great power games."

Nepal and Bhutan politely but firmly stall for time

meanwhile, Kashmir approaches the British about joining the Commonwealth

Tibet and Kashgaria both mobilize as best they can in early June as signs of imminent Chinese invasion are clear

Nepal and Bhutan politely but firmly stall for time

meanwhile, Kashmir approaches the British about joining the Commonwealth

India tactfully points out that to come to their aid in any meaningful way the Commonwealth would have to use India's airspace and land transportation system, so it’s best if Nepal, Bhutan, and Kashmir joined India in its neutrality alliance. It is also pointed out that the Indian Subcontinent Neutrality and Trade Pact would guarantee India coming to their defense if China violated their borders.

India also continues to pressure them to break relations with Tibet and Kashgaria, describing both countries as "doomed."

Nepal and Bhutan politely but firmly stall for time

meanwhile, Kashmir approaches the British about joining the Commonwealth

Tibet and Kashgaria both mobilize as best they can in early June as signs of imminent Chinese invasion are clear

The UIR stpes in, offering to help them in defense and economic matters if they wish. They quietly cite the fact that India is allied with China, who recently overran Tibet and Kashgaria, and that it is a fascist, Hindu nationalist government, as opposed to the democracy that the UIR is.

Britain acknowledges the application froim Kashmir to join the Commonwealth of Nations, notes that it fits all of the requirments for membership and will put it to the Commonwealth vote immediately.

The Netherlands would like to pre order a 1 F16A fighter wing for 1971 from Texas. Also they would like to preorder a F15C fighter wing. For both orders the Netherlands will pay both cost.

The UIR steps in, offering to help them in defense and economic matters if they wish. They quietly cite the fact that India is allied with China, who recently overran Tibet and Kashgaria, and that it is a fascist, Hindu nationalist government, as opposed to the democracy that the UIR is.

India's Ambassadors point out that India has no alliance with China (ooc: true, India and China do not have a formal alliance treaty), but that India has a relationship with China that guarantees the subcontinents safety.

India's Ambassadors point out that India has no alliance with China (ooc: true, India and China do not have a formal alliance treaty), but that India has a relationship with China that guarantees the subcontinents safety.

The UIR points out that the fact they have no treaty is quite shady. Did the fact theat they had no alliance mean anything when they banded together to support rebels in the UIR?

The UIR points out that the fact they have no treaty is quite shady. Did the fact theat they had no alliance mean anything when they banded together to support rebels in the UIR?

India tactfully points out that NO UIR personnel or military planes will be allowed through Indian Territory and airspace, further points out the Indian-Pakistan border has been closed for six years, and that Pakistan will soon separate from the United Islamic Republics, so the UIR cannot really "help them in defense and economic matters."

India tactfully points out that NO UIR personnel or military planes will be allowed through Indian Territory and airspace, further points out the Indian-Pakistan border has been closed for six years, and that Pakistan will soon separate from the United Islamic Republics, so the UIR cannot really "help them in defense and economic matters."

The UIR points out that a blockade is a declaration of war, India would certainly not stand in the way of China in the event of China invading either of the nations, and the UIR has much more points they can use to help develop the nations

The UIR points out that a blockade is a declaration of war, India would certainly not stand in the way of China in the event of China invading either of the nations, and the UIR has much more points they can use to help develop the nations

India points out it is not a blockade, just a fact that UIR military craft will not be allowed into sovereign Indian territory, that the UIR closed the border five years ago, and it will remain closed.

India points out it is not a blockade, just a fact that UIR military craft will not be allowed into sovereign Indian territory and that the UIR closed the border five years ago, and it will remain closed.

The UIR points out India said nothing about stopping China in the event of an invasion. The UIR and the ToD will help provide for the defense of the nations

The UIR points out India said nothing about stopping China in the event of an invasion. The UIR and the ToD will help provide for the defense of the nations

OOC: Actually India did say it would protect them, read the above posts, mutual defense.

OOC: Actually India did say it would protect them, read the above posts, mutual defense.

Would India stay with Bhutan or Nepal in mutual defense if China demanded them? More likely India would save themselves and hand over Bhutan and Nepal to China

OOC:

I already made it clear IC and OOC that China isn't going to go after Nepal and Bhutan. China wants Nepal and Bhutan to remain as an "Asian Switzerland".

OOC:

I already made it clear IC and OOC that China isn't going to go after Nepal and Bhutan. China wants Nepal and Bhutan to remain as an "Asian Switzerland".

OOC:

And no one but India believes you...live with it!

Following further rumblings over Nepal and Bhutan Britain categorically states it's intention to protect them at any cost. The British forces there will continue to train the local troops for national defence (the Ghurkas are there, operating on their home turf as well as the SAS batallion) and have no qualms about bringing further troops into the area. The Indian government is contacted regarding the bringing in of reinforcements through India, probably a few divisions of infantry maybe with Harrier II support (will start to be prodiced in 71). The BEF operating in Burma is also on alert to change position at short notice.

The bid from Kashmir to join the Commonwealth will be confirmed once teh remianing votes are in (awaiting Nigeria and Australia).

The South African government contacts its Omani allies to discuss the possibility of Oman exporting oil to South Africa beginning in 1972.

The South African government contacts its Omani allies to discuss the possibility of Oman exporting oil to South Africa beginning in 1972.

The UIR offers to export oil to South Africa if they wish it

The UIR offers to export oil to South Africa if they wish it

OOC: Thanks for the offer, but the Omanis are my first choice, since they are kind of my client state.

The Indian government is contacted regarding the bringing in of reinforcements through India, probably a few divisions of infantry maybe with Harrier II support (will start to be prodiced in 71).

India consents, but in return asks Britain to pressure Nepal, Bhutan, and Kashmir to sign the Indian Subcontinent Neutrality and Trade Pact, a treaty that is in those states "best interests."

OOC: The treaty is an economic/mutual defense pact and also prohibits its signatories from being members of any additional alliances, with the exception of the Commonwealth.

Hoping to continue with some momentum from the original proposal by the Congo, South Africa announces its support for the creation of an Organization of African Unity, a collection of African states which would work together to develop Africa, assist in the distribution of aid in crises such as the famines in Ethiopia and East Africa, and mitigate conflicts in Africa, both internal (i.e. the Sudanese civil war) and international.

All African nations are invited, and South Africa suggests that the headquarters for the organization be located in a central geographic location, such as the Congo or East Africa.

OOC: my opinion is that all the African NPCs would join, as there's no real reason not too, but I'll leave that decision to the NPC mods.

What's the situation with Dominican Republic and Haiti? Are they still separate?

The Russian Government asked premission from the Government of the Crimea to build take over the naval facilities at Sevastopol and make it the base for the Russian Black Seas Fleet, inturn the Russian Government will pay the Crimea two points a year.

Also the Russian Government contacts the governments of The Republic of Azerbaijan and The Union of Armenia-Georgia to see if they would be interest in defense pacts with the Russia.

What's the situation with Dominican Republic and Haiti? Are they still separate?

yes

The Russian Government asked premission from the Government of the Crimea to build take over the naval facilities at Sevastopol and make it the base for the Russian Black Seas Fleet, inturn the Russian Government will pay the Crimea two points a year.

Also the Russian Government contacts the governments of The Republic of Azerbaijan and The Union of Armenia-Georgia to see if they would be interest in defense pacts with the Russia.

The Crimeans are ok with that if Russia provides some economic aid (sufficient to build a production center in Simferpol)

Armenia - Georgia agrees, but Azerbaijan is stalling at the moment.

Armenia - Georgia would also like some economic aid sufficient to build a production center each in Yerevan and Tbilisi.

Hoping to continue with some momentum from the original proposal by the Congo, South Africa announces its support for the creation of an Organization of African Unity, a collection of African states which would work together to develop Africa, assist in the distribution of aid in crises such as the famines in Ethiopia and East Africa, and mitigate conflicts in Africa, both internal (i.e. the Sudanese civil war) and international.

All African nations are invited, and South Africa suggests that the headquarters for the organization be located in a central geographic location, such as the Congo or East Africa.

OOC: my opinion is that all the African NPCs would join, as there's no real reason not too, but I'll leave that decision to the NPC mods.

they do so, as long as the RL charter is used

The South African government contacts its Omani allies to discuss the possibility of Oman exporting oil to South Africa beginning in 1972.

Oman agrees to make South Africa its customer of first refusal (in other words, it gets first access to oil), as does Kuwait which is willing to ally with Oman and South Africa as well.

The Crimeans are ok with that if Russia provides some economic aid (sufficient to build a production center in Simferpol)

Armenia - Georgia agrees, but Azerbaijan is stalling at the moment.

Armenia - Georgia would also like some economic aid sufficient to build a production center each in Yerevan and Tbilisi.
Russia agrees to start sending economic aid to Crimea, Armenia-Georgia, and Russia also offers Azerbaijan protection against the growing power of UIR.

SIC-
The USCA begins a campaign to encourage Cuban, Puerto Rican, and DR entry into the "States".

SIC-
The USCA begins a campaign to encourage Cuban, Puerto Rican, and DR entry into the "States".

the USCA is categorically turned down. All three nations have decided to maintain their independence and join no larger organizations, including the North American Federation, FNS, or USCA. Trade pacts however are another thing.

Gb, this is SIC, as in its beginning to plan, nothing has been said.

I asked awhile ago if the Netherlands could get the rights to build the F16 and a F15.

I asked awhile ago if the Netherlands could get the rights to build the F16 and a F15.

America doesn't sell their good planes, including the F-15 and I think the F-16

Ok, but they will one day start selling them.

Ok, but they will one day start selling them.

When they become second rate fighters, yes

OOC: How about today? The US lets other countries use the F-16, but they will be second rate once the F-22 and X-35 come out.

OOC: How about today? The US lets other countries use the F-16, but they will be second rate once the F-22 and X-35 come out.

Then in 2000 the F-16 will be sold. However, GB has mentioned several times they aren't selling their top aircraft because they don't want to lose any advantages.

Ok thank you for telling me this information. But those aircraft will have to deal with the Russian aircraft now.

The UIR offers Jerusalem, Arab federation, United Islamic Republic, and Syria to form an economic union known as the Middle Eastern Economic and Commerce Union (MEECU)

The Russian Government contacts the governments of the Ukraine and Poland, the Russian Governments explains to them that Russia wants to put the past behind them and look forward for the sake of the future.

Russia offer to the Ukraine to build a oil pipeline to supply the Ukraine with oil as sign of peace and to improve relations.

Russia offers Poland, closer relations and Mutual Defense Pact.

Korea offers sale of its J10 fighter aircraft to wide export, pointing out its great performance at a low cost.

I asked awhile ago if the Netherlands could get the rights to build the F16 and a F15.

no for 1970 and 1971 unless Safehaven, who will be playing the North American Federation beginning 1971 says otherwise

In northeast Africa, little noticed by the world for the most part, a civil war continues in the Sudan and Ethiopia. A horrific drought, tied with the Great Depression and the destruction of Egypt brings about a collapse of central government authority by 1965, and widespread chaos by 1966

Between 1966 - 69 only areas that can be reached by UN refugee agencies and the Nigerian Army are able to maintain a semblance of normality.

By 1969 desperate refugees, smugglers, and poachers (shooting elephants for the tusks) are become a serious law and order problem in Kenya, forcing the Commonwealth to provide assistance to that nation.

By 1970, the Commonwealth is intervening directly and attempting to restore law and order to Sudan and Ethoipia. Fighting continues at a low level throughout the year.

In West Africa, Liberia and Congo both thank Brazil and Mexico for their aid but join the OAS, along with the rest of Africa.

In Rhodesia, a large element of the white population, worried that majority rule by Blacks will cost them their land and economic power, begin to get itchy.

The Philippines returns a note to Malaysia and Indonesia stating " Currently there is no military agreement between China or INdochina and the Philippines anyways. Other than what is in the ATO, and it appears China will not be apart of that long. So your demands are already met. In fact your demands were always met. Our agreements were with the original Chinese and USEA governments. Both of which do not exist."

"As for other military alliances, currently the UIP has none. (I don't.) So what military alliances are you stating? We haven't signed a military alliance since the SCT, which no longer exists. ANd our membership in the ATO is mostly economic."

OOC: And I don't have treaties with China other than the Spratley Islands. New government hasn't talked to me much. And I had a treaty with the USEA, which no longer exists. I gather you meant Indochina and not Indonesia. Because Indonesia is one of the countries I'm talking to.

The Russian Government contacts the governments of the Ukraine and Poland, the Russian Governments explains to them that Russia wants to put the past behind them and look forward for the sake of the future.

Russia offer to the Ukraine to build a oil pipeline to supply the Ukraine with oil as sign of peace and to improve relations.

Russia offers Poland, closer relations and Mutual Defense Pact.
Poland, while seeking closer relations, respectfully declines a defense pact at this time. We seek to refrain from formal defense obligations where possible, as similar obligations led to our involvement in the Twilight war, an experience we do not want to repeat.

OOC: For simplicity, would it be alright if I just said x points in 1972 are used to buy x points of Omani oil?

OOC: For simplicity, would it be alright if I just said x points in 1972 are used to buy x points of Omani oil?

ooc
generally don't make players pay specifically for oil as long as there isn't a significant shortage. Right now there is a glut, as a number of oil producers are boycotting China

ooc
generally don't make players pay specifically for oil as long as there isn't a significant shortage. Right now there is a glut, as a number of oil producers are boycotting China

ooc: Cool.

Britain promises further aid to Sudan and Ethiopia, largely peacekeeping forces consisting of:

HQ unit
3 divisions of Mechanised Infantry
2 Blackburn Buccanneer Squadrons
3 attack helicopter squadrons
3 cargo helicopter squadrons
3 transport helicopter squadrons
1 F4G Phantom Squadron

It is hoped further Commonwealth forces may be assigned so that the operation can be carried out as efficiently as possible. The main mission is to put down any violence in the area, before securing it so that specialised humanitarian aid agencies can be sent in. The cargo and transport helicopters are cleared for humanitarian use though, if not required for the military.

Following the British lead, South Africa mobilizes troops to send to Sudan to support the South African Expeditionary Force already in the area:

1 Mechanized Division (elite)
2 Cheetah Squadrons
2 elite pilots

The East African government is also contacted with a proposal to set up a permanent South African military base, so that future crises may be handled in a more efficient and timely manner.

OOC: Russia and Poland technically already have a mutual defense pact under the EEC.

USCA offers to pay for the civil defence of the Dominican Republic if it is granted a Naval Base and airport on the island.

The UIR offers to expand the MEECU to Basra, Kurdistan, Oman, Yemen, and Western Arabia

Nigeria offers to deploy two infantry divisions, a light division, and an HQ to East Africa for peace keeping and famine relief.

Poland offers to take in up to 50,000 refugees from each of the following crisis areas, provided transport can be found:
-Sudan/East Africa
-Burma
-Kashgaria/Tibet (any who fled to Russia/Nepal)
-Kashmir/UIR/India area

USCA offers to pay for the civil defence of the Dominican Republic if it is granted a Naval Base and airport on the island.

Cuba, Puerto Rico and the Dominican Republic turn down the USCA offer, but are willing to allow anchorage rights to the USCA.

They do however as part of their membership in NORAD allow the Federation navy to reopen its base at Roosevelt Roads in Puerto Rico

Huh? I just asked the Dominican Republic. I'm just after a Gitmo Bay base so I can use it to protect the Gulf of Mexico and Carribbean.

To those handling African NPC economies:

As a condition for membership in the OAS, African countries agree to put some funds every year into an OAS "bank" for use in various OAS projects (such as maintaining the African Defense Force). Therefore, can you make sure that African NPCs contribute to the general fund. It doesn't have to be much, just two or three points should be fine.

Poland, while seeking closer relations, respectfully declines a defense pact at this time. We seek to refrain from formal defense obligations where possible, as similar obligations led to our involvement in the Twilight war, an experience we do not want to repeat.
Russia understands, Poland stance on the matter. Also the Russian Government would interested in buying production licenses for MiG-29s units, we are willing to pay top dollar for them.

The People's Republic of Bangladesh

Capital: Dhaka

President: Khondaker Mostaq Ahmad (Bangladesh Communist Party)

Prime Minister: Rajinder Shandar (Bangladesh Communist Party)

Army Chief: Lt. General Hossain Mohammad Ershad

Government: Unitary Semi-Presidential Parliamentary Republic

Independence (from India): November 1970

Legal system: Based on English common law; limited judicial review of legislative acts.

Suffrage: 18 years of age; universal

Territory: East Bengal; only borders India (ooc: unlike RL Bangladesh that has a splinter of territory that borders Burma).

Statistics
Population (approximate as of 1970): 50,000,000
Economy: Command Economy
Production Centers: Daka 5
Agriculture: 33.2, with rationing enough to feed 66.4
Shipping and Commerce: none
Energy: Coal provided by India
Tourism: 0
Nuclear: 0
Growth: 1%

Military: The Bangladesh National Army
1 Garrison Unit (Dhaka)

Treaties Bangladesh Belongs To
-United Nations (membership pending)
-Indian Subcontinent Neutrality and Trade Pact (1970)
-Indian/Bengal Security Accords (1970)

(ooc note: The Indian/Bengal Security Accords requires that India approve any economic aid/investment given to Bangladesh, the Indian Subcontinent Neutrality and Trade Pact states that Bangladesh may not participate in any other alliances other then the Commonwealth.)

Budget and Builds 1971

Budget 1971
Command Economy, National Effort (all Production Centers produce 3 production points) 15 points

Budget 1971
Social Services: Level III Social Services for everyone, 15 points total.

Builds for 1971
1 shipping unit (paid for by India): 0
Total Builds: 0

Maintenance and Upkeep 1971
Garrison Unit(Dhaka): 0, paid for by India
Total Maintenance and Upkeep: 0 points

Big Update

The Polish government begins initiating discussions with various governments around the world, including Costa Rica, Bhutan, and other nations largely ignored in global discussions. Poland seeks to establish a group of nations determined to make sure man-made calamities on the scale of World War III and the Twilight War never occur again. To this end, they establish the NAM (non-aligned movement, but as the dual-bloc scheme is not really a factor right now, having it stand for Neutral Action Movement might be better).

The NAM's goal would be to aid peaceful growth and development, and reduce dependency on larger nations economically, socially, and militarily, so that the massive alliances that have turned regional conflicts into world wars in the past will become a declining factor, only needing to be enacted in direst circumstances.

The NAM is not a defensive alliance, and does not ban membership in any regional or global defensive agreement. It does, however, encourage discretion (saving Bhutan from China is one thing, "saving" China from Bhutan is another). It encourages economic development in smaller countries in order to reduce dependency, and wishes to help those nations who rely on agreements with foreign powers to insure their safety are able to field a well equipped and professional military, while keeping those agreements as one aspect of their defense. It seeks to prevent the proliferation of WMD (or ABC or NBC or whatever the term of the day is), and provide support to refugees and others put at risk by armed conflict.

The nations Poland contacts initially are:
Andorra
Belarus
Bulgaria PC
Crimea
Cyprus (both)
Czechoslovakia
Hungary
Iceland
Ireland PC
Kosovo-Albania
Malta
Switzerland
San Marino
Vatican City
-All NPC nations in Africa and the Americas-
Brazil
USCA
Azerbaijan
Bangladesh
Bhutan
Ceylon
Kurdistan
Kuwait
Nepal
Oman
Syria
Australasia PC
Brunei
Indonesia
Malaysia
Netherlands PC

Although other nations expressing sympathy to the movement are welcome to make themselves known.

(OOC: Still working the kinks out a bit, after I do I can make a thread or something)

The Netherlands has gone ahead and agreed to join the Neutral Action Movement.

The Philippines hopes that Poland succeeds.

The Kingdom will also join the Non Aligned Movement with the Netherlands...