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IC: NPCs For 1950

Americas
The least troublesome continent. Dominated by the United States in the North and Gran Colombia in the South. The center is one of the poorest regions in the world. Somewhat of a rivalry has developed between Gran Colombia and the FNS. Other than that, largely void of any sort of conflict.


The Government of Canada-United Nations, London Treaty Alliance, Commonwealth of Nations
Maintaining its close ties with the Anglo-American world, Canada has been largely unaffected by the disasters of the Eurasian Conflicts.

United States of America-United Nations, London Treaty Alliance, Pan-American Treaty

The Republic of Iceland and Greenland-United Nations, London Treaty Alliance
Born out of the German Invasion of Denmark in 1922, Iceland and Greenland formed a government with the help of the United States. It's economy is based off of fishing and the large LTA bases along its coast.

The Republic of Cuba-United Nations, Pan-American Treaty
Gaining its independance, Cuba has largely remained under the American Sphere of influence and stayed away from any sort of tragedies.

Republic of Haiti-United Nations, Pan-American Treaty
A very poor and backwards country, its economy is still largely based off of the sugar industry. Also under the American Sphere.

Dominican Republic-United Nations, Pan-American Treaty
Somewhat more advanced than its neighbor, the Dominican Republic has prospered somewhat under the assistance of its protector, the United States.

The Caribbean Republic of the Virgin Islands-United Nations, London
Treaty Alliance, Pan-American Treaty
Another product of the 1922 Invasion, the Virgin Islands enjoy prosperous living off of wealthy Americans, Colombians and Europeans.

The United Mexican States-United Nations, Pan-American Treaty
In the early part of the century, Mexico was plagued with revolutions and coups until the late thirties when it began to be a rabid follower of American interests. Heavily involved itself in the Sino-Japanese Conflicts to the distress of its people. Now under American influence due to oil companies.

(The following nations have banded together to form the Central American Economic Alliance)

Republic of Guatemala-United Nations, Pan-American Treaty, CAEA
Relatively poor, Guatemala enjoys assistance from the United States and has largely stayed out of world affairs.

Republic of El Salvador-United Nations, Pan-American Treaty, CAEA
Following the lead of its neighbors, El Salvador has enjoyed somewhat more prosperity than them due to large industrial subsidies. However, its living standards remain far below that of the richer nations to the South.

Republic of Honduras-United Nations, Pan-American Treaty, CAEA
Remaining stable throughout three world wars, Honduras has remained relatively stable, save for one Coup during the Third World War.

Republic of Nicaragua-United Nations, Pan-American Treaty, CAEA
A communist revolution was bloodily put down in the late thirties. Aside from that, Nicaragua has remained stable from heavy subsidies from American Fruit companies.

The Republic of Costa Rica-United Nations, Pan-American Treaty, CAEA
The most prosperous nation in Central America, Costa Rica has the highest literacy rate in the region and enjoys some of the best welfare programs in the hemisphere. Also relatively industrialized.

The Republic of Paraguay-United Nations
Ruled by a militaristic dictator since the early 20s, Paraguay has remained out of the political scene. Lost most of its interest in fighting since the FNS formed. However, large amounts of internal opposition remain. Also, one of two nations to not participate in World War Three.

Protectorate of Zion-Argentine Autonomous Region
Formed in the 'teens by moderate Jews it was relatively active during the Brazilian Civil War. Since then it has remained largely out of the political scene, concentrating largely on banking to fund itself.

Europe
Continuing its position as the most violent continent, the Twentieth Century has not been kind to Europe's cities. The First World War, or the Great European War, tore Central Europe apart and allowed Germany to rise as the most powerful entity on the continent. It also allowed for Communism to engulf Russia, Germany, Poland and the Balkans forming the Soviet Union in the wake of World War Two, or the Canary War. Finally, seven years later, following the Third Sino-Japanese War, the Eurasian War began and ended with the destruction of the Soviet Union as well as most of Europe's cities.


The Principality of Andorra-United Nations
Remaining Neutral during the first two World Wars, Andorra was limited in its service and loss during the Eurasian War. Now, it is a tax-haven and tourist center.

The Swiss Confederation
The other nation that did not become involved in the Eurasian War. Continues its staunch stance of neutrality, heavy banking and delicious chocolate making.

The Principality of Liechtenstein-United Nations
Once holding close ties with Austria and then Germany, following the German Revolution, Liechtenstein now ties itself economically with the other Germanic state, however, it is now reestablishing ties with the German Empire.

The Most Serene Republic of San Marino-United Nations
An anachronism of the Italy of old, San Marino has remained due to its friendly relations with Italy.

The Grand Duchy of Burgundy-United Nations, London Treaty Alliance, European Economic Cooperation
Created out of the Great European War, Burgundy's existance was to create a buffer between France and Germany and settle the dispute over Alsace-Lorraine. Consisting of those territories and Luxemboug, it is ruled by the Duke of Luxembourg. It was a Junker haven after the Germany Revolution and has been invaded twice by the Communists. Now, it maintains a weary economic pact with France and Germany.

The Kingdom of Belgium-United Nations, London Treaty Alliance, European Economic Cooperation
A very staunchly conservative nation, Belgium still holds its Colony in the Congo. After two World Wars and pressure from the UN to decolonize, Belgium has sunk into a state of near isolation, only remaining in the LTA for protection and joining the EEC to rebuild its economy. It also lost the highest proportion of people during the Eurasian War.

The Kingdom of the Netherlands-United Nations, London Treaty Alliance, European Economic Cooperation
Angered by the sudden loss of its extensive empire, the Netherlands have also had many hardships at home. Both Amsterdam and Rotterdam were destroyed during the Eurasian War, losing their position as the Continent's port to Hamburg. It joined the EEC as an attempt to help rebuild their shattered economy

Republic of Ireland-United Nations (Headquarters located in Dublin), Commonwealth of Nations
Peacefully granted its independance in the 20s, Ireland has remained largely out of the political scene, aside from its assistance in creating the United Nations, located in its capital.

Czechoslovak Federative Republic-United Nations
Created by the Germans and Russians after the Great War, it became a satellite of the Soviet Union. Following World War Three, the Sudentenland was given to the Germans and since then it has remained weary of both German and Russian policies.

Republic of Hungary-United Nations
Separated from Austria after the Great War, Hungary became a place of turmoil for nearly 2 decades. Enduring fascist, communist and democratic revolutions against the government, it finally fell to the Pact revolution in the 20s. Becoming loosly involved in World War Two, Hungary's influence was limited even by the less powerful neighbors, as it became just a mere satellite. However, by World War Three, Hungary's communist government fell to Patton's army and was replaced with a highly isolationist and xenophobic government, hoping to become the next Switzerland.

Republic of Slovenia-United Nations
Slovenia's existance is a very new one being created out of the partition of Yugoslavia post-World War Three. Once part of the Hapsburg Empire, it changed hands to the first democratic and then communist governments of Yugoslavia. Following the Pact's destruction, Slovenia vied for independance and was granted it. However, Slovenia is now nothing but an Italian satellite.

Federal Republic of Yugoslavia-United Nations
Another creation of the Austro-Hungarian Empire, Yugoslavia was once a relatively powerful nation and the only other communist nation to not be under the total influence of Warsaw, winning its own war against Albania in the mid 20's. However, it too fell to the American and Greek Armies and was partitioned into three parts after the war. Macedonia is now a part of Greece and Slovenia a mere puppet of Italy.

Republic of Albania-United Nations
Albania's existance has been one of much turmoil. Being immediately created out of the Ottoman Empire's withdraw from Europe, the small state fell into immediate anarchy. A repressive oligarcy rose out of the chaos. However, it was toppled when Colombia attempted to estabish a colony in Europe. That attempt was repelled by the first World War. Following the War, Albania's somewhat limited democracy became corrupt and it lost favor with the Pact. Instigating a war with Yugoslavia over Kosovo, Albania's foolish president was assassinated by the military who did not wish to be annihilated. It then became relatively stable, with a moderate socialist government in power until World War Three when Patton's Army gave Kosovo to it. Since then, Albania has relatively prospered.

The Hellenic Empire-United Nations
The Hellenic Empire, or more widely known as Greece, has enjoyed prosperity and expansion from Anglo assistance. When the Turks withdrew in the early 1900s, Greece nearly doubled in size. Joining with the Coaltion in World War One, it gained Crete from the Turks. It then turned mildly socialist, with the Monarchy supporting it and being friendly to Warsaw. However, in the 20s, Greece saw a coup d'eta where the Fascist military exiled the King. Greece then joined the LTA and saw the aquiring of Macedonia post-World War Three. Following that war, Greece demanded both Western Ionia and Constantinople from Turkey and fought a war over it with Italian support. However, once the LTA decided to attempt to stop the Conflict, Greece left the LTA and continued the war, eventually gaining Constantinople but losing Ionia. However, Greece's militaristic and jingoistic government is still hoping to resore Alexander's Empire.

The Republic of Rumania-United Nations
Ruled by a member of the Hohenzollern Dynsaty, Rumania has been close to Germany since the beginning. Joining them in hopes of gaining Translyvania, Rumania fought aganst the Austro-Hungarian Empire and then joined the Pact when Communism came about. Since then, it suffered the same defeats as the other Ex-Pact countries. It now enjoys a moderate, democratic government.

The Ukraine Republic-United Nations
In the days leading up to World War One, the Ukraine was able to gain some autonimity. "Little Russia" was able to elect its own leaders and run itself. However, once the Red Revolution hit, it was just as easily reabsorbed into the Russian Sphere. Under Russia, it heavily industrialized and became the leading tank producer on the Eurasian Continent. Now, being separate from Russia, the Ukraine is continuing its role as chief tank producer and sells them to many countries around the globe.

Russian Confederation-United Nations
The heartland of the Russian Empire was once rather backwards. However, in the wake of the victory over the Austrians in World War One, Russia rose to power. However, it then tore itself apart in the Russian Revolution where Trotsky and his Reds defeated the Tzar and his Whites. Once they were defeated and the first Communist Nation was created, they extended their revolution to Germany, Rumania, Hungary, Yugoslavia, Denmark, Iran and even China. However, in World War Three, vast amounts of Weapons of Mass Destruction were used which have rendered Russia into a weak nation. Led by weak leaders, Russian Mafias hold most of the control in the cities, while Siberian nationalists begin to make noises.

Asia-Oceania

Central Asian Republic-United Nations, Pan-Turkic Alliance
The history of the Central Asian Republic or "Turkestan" was tied to that of the Russians until the early 40's when India liberated it. Once that liberation happened, Turkestan withdrew from the world scheme, being on the edge of anything. However, it has entered into an alliance with Turkey, Azerbaijan and Kashgaria and its benefactor the Scandinavian Union.

The Turkic Republic of Kashgaria-United Nations, Pan-Turkic Alliance


The Kingdom of Bhutan-United Nations, Commonwealth of Nations


The Regency of Tibet-United Nations, London Treaty Alliance


The Kingdom of Nepal-United Nations, Commonwealth of Nations


The Union of Burma-United Nations, Commonwealth of Nations


The Republic of the Philippines-United Nations, Seoul Treaty Alliance


Africa-Mideast

The Republic of Turkey-United Nations, Pan-Turkic Alliance


The Republic of Kurdistan-United Nations


The Republic of Azerbaijan-United Nations, Pan-Turkic Alliance


The Union of Armenia-Georgia-United Nations


The Republic of Baghdad-United Nations, Arab League


The Sultanate of Basra-United Nations, Arab League


The Sultanate of Kuwait-United Nations, Commonwealth of Nations, Arab League


The Sultanate of Jordan-United Nations, Arab League


The Arab Republic of Palestine-United Nations, Arab League


The Sultanate of Western Arabia-United Nations, Arab League


The Kingdom of Saudi Arabia-United Nations, Arab League


The Sultanate of Oman-United Nations, Arab League


Empire of Abyssinia-United Nations, London Treaty Alliance


The Islamic Republic of Algeria-United Nations, Arab League


The Kingdom of Morocco-United Nations, London Treaty Alliance, Arab League


The Dominion of Nigeria-United Nations, Commonwealth of Nations


The Free Republic of Liberia-United Nations, London Treaty Alliance


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This list will constantly undergo changes as new nations are created and old ones are eaten up by larger empires or taken by players.

NPC Builds, 1951

in progress

UN AID
103.5 points

Americas

Iceland
Population: 150,000
Tech level: 5
Production: 3 fishing points
Spending: Level 5 social spending 1 point, 120 patrol boats (North Atlantic Coast Guard) 1 point. 1 points improve infrastructure.

Cuba
Population: 5 million
Tech level: 4
Production (Cut Spending): Havana 1, 2 resources (cash crops, fishing)= 3 points
Spending: level 3 social spending 1.5 points, 2 garrison units .5 points. Build 1 tourism infrastructure, 3/4.

Haiti
Population: 3 million
Tech level: 3
Production: 1 resource (cash crops)+6 UN aid=7 points
Spending: level 1 social spending .75, 1 garrison unit (poor quality) .25 points. Build 2 shipping units.

Dominican Republic
Population: 500,000
Tech level: 4
Production (Reduced Spending): Santo Domingo 1+6 UN aid= 7 points
Spending: level 3 social spending .75 points, 1 garrison unit .25 points. Build 2 shipping units.

Virgin Islands
Population: 50,000
Tech level: 5
Production: 1 resource (fishing), 1 point tourism=2 points
Spending: Double Level 5 social spending 1 point. 40 patrol boats .25

Mexico
Population: 28 million
Tech level: 6
Production (Regular Spending): Vera Cruz 1, Monterrey 2, Mexico City 2, Yucatan 1, 3 oil points, 1 national airline=17 points
Spending: level 3 social spending 9 points, 4 garrison units 1 point, 40 corvettes, 10 destroyers 2 points. Build 2 shipping units.

Central American Economic Alliance (El Salvador, Guatemala, Nicaragua, Costa Rica, Honduras)
Population: 7.2 million
Tech level: 4
Production (National Effort): Tegucigalpa 1, 3 resource points (cash crops)+12 UN points=18 points
Spending: level 1 social spending 1 point, 8 garrison units 2 points. Build 5 shipping unit.


Europe

Andorra
Population:50,000
Tech level:6.5
Income:1 Air Termnial, 1 International Airline=3 points
Spending: Level 5 Social Spending .5, 1 Mountain Infantry Brigade .25, 1 Expert Pilot .25, 2 point to UN World Bank

Liechtenstein
Population:20,000
Tech level:6.5
Income (Cut Spending):1 Industry (foreign business), 1 International Airline=3 points
Spending: Level 5 Social Spending .5, 1 Mountain Infantry Brigade .25, 1 Expert Pilot .25, 2 point to UN World Bank

San Marino
Population:17,000
Tech level:6.5
Income:1 Air Terminal, 1 International Airline=3
Spending: Level 5 Social Spending .5, 1 Militia .25, 1 Expert Pilot .25, 2 point to UN World Bank

Switzerland
Population: 3 million
Tech level: 7
Income (Cut Spending): Bern 3, Zurich 2, Geneva 2, 1 Air Terminal, 1 International Airline=10 points
Spending: Level 5 Social Spending 1.5, 6 Elite Mountain Infantry 4.5, 3 Elite Garrisons 2.25, 1 Helicopter .25, 2 Expert pilot .5, 1 to UN World Bank

Belgium
Population: 8 Million
Tech level: 7
Income (Cut Spending): Liege 3, Brussels 3, Antwerp 1, 1 national airline, 1 international airline, 1 shipping unit, plus 6 colonial points= 18 points
Spending: level 3 social services 3 points, civil defense 1 point, 4 garrison units 1 point, 4 expert pilots 2 points, 1 F84 jet fighter bomber unit .5 points, 1 C47 unit .25 points, 1 elite airborne brigade 1 point, 2 light ship units (5 destroyers, 20 corvettes) .5 points, build 3 shipping 9 points

Burgundy
Population: 4 million
Tech level: 7
Income(Regular Spending): Metz 2, Strasbourg 2, Luxembourg 2, tourism 1=13 points
Spending:Level 4 social services 1.6 points, 6 mechanized divisions 3 points, 3 garrison units 1.5 points, 1 F100 fighter wing, 1 F86D fighter wing, 2 expert pilots 1.5 points 1 HQ unit 1 point, build 1 international airline 5 points

The Netherlands
Population: 10 million
Tech level: 7
Income (Cut Spending): Rotterdam 3, Amsterdam 3, plus 1 national airline, 5 shipping units, 3 colonial points, 1 tourist point (Caribbean)=17 points
Spending: 2 reserve garrison units .5 points, 2 mechanized divisions 1 point, level 4 social spending 4 points, 2 coastal patrol groups .5 points, 2 destroyer groups, 2 escort cruisers 1 point, 1 F100 fighter wing, 1 F86D all weather fighter wing, 2 elite fighters 2 points, 6/24 factory, 2 to UN World Bank

Ireland
Population: 3 million
Tech level: 6
Income(Regular Spending): Dublin 1, Belfast 1, 1 national airline, tourist income 1=7 points
Spending: level 5 social spending 1.5 points, 1 escort group .25 points, 1 infantry division .25, remainder on rural electrification

Czechoslovakia
Population: 15 million
Tech level: 6.5
Income(Regular Spending): Prague 5, Bratislava 5, 1 national airline=22 points
Spending: level 5 social services 7.5 points, 2 alpine corps, 1 Mig 15 jet fighter unit, 1 pilot, 3.5 points, 10/24 new factory

Hungary
Population: 9 million
Tech level: 6
Income(Regular Spending): Budapest 5, 1 national airline=12 points
Spending: Level 4 social spending 4 points, 2 garrison units, 1 HQ, 1 Mig 15, jet fighter unit, 1 pilot 4 points, 4/24 factory

Slovenia
Population: 4 million
Tech level: 5
Income(Regular Spending): Ljubljana 4, 1 national airline=10 points
Spending: level 5 social services 2 points, 2 alpine corps, 2 garrison units, 1 flak unit, 1 pilot, 1 F86 jet fighter unit 4 points, 12/24 factory

Yugoslavia
Population: 8 million
Tech level: 5
Income (Regular Spending): Belgrade 4, 1 national airline, 4 shipping units=14 points
Spending: Level 5 social services 8 points, 4 garrison units, 2 expert pilots, 2 MiG 15, 2 frigate 3 points, 13/24 factory

Greece
Population: 9 million
Tech level: 6
Income: Athens 1, Adrianopole 1, Constantinople 1, 14 shipping units, 1 national airline=22 points
Spending (Regular Spending): Level 3 social services 3 points, 6 Infantry corps, 15 Destroyers, 40 corvettes, 80 torpedo boats, 3 expert pilots, 2 Mig 15 fighters, 1 airborne brigade (well trained) , 1 C47, 9 points. Build 1 international airline, 6/24 factory.

Albania
Population: 3 million
Tech level: 5
Income: 1 resource point, 1 national airline=3 points
Spending: level 5 social services – 1.5 points, 3 tech level 6 alpine corps, 1.5 points. Build 1 shipping unit.

Rumania
Population: 20 million
Tech level: 6
Income (Regular Spending): Bucharest 5, Constanza 1, 3 oil points, 2 shipping units=17 points
Spending: level 3 social services 6 points, 4 garrison units, 2 MiG 17, 2 expert pilot, 40 corvettes 3 points. Build 1 national airline 5 points, 1 shipping unit 3 points

The Ukraine
Population: 35 million
Tech level: 6.5
Income (Cut Spending): Stalino 5, Dneipopetrovsk 5, Kiev 5, Odessa 5, Kharkov 5, 6 shipping units, 1 national airline=33 points
Spending: Level 3 social spending 10 points, 4 infantry corps, 4 garrisons, 2 armored divisions, 4 MiG 19, 4 expert pilot, 10 destroyers, 40 corvettes, 7 points. Build 1 international airline, 3 shipping units.


Asia-Oceania

Central Asian Republic
Population: 8 million
Tech level: 6
Income (Regular Spending): Tashkent 4, Alma Ata 1, 1 national airline, 1 international airline=14 points
Spending: level 4 social spending 3 points, 4 infantry corps 2 points, Intelligence service, purchase 2 pilots, 2 IL10 8 points. Build 1 garrison unit.

Kashgaria
Population: 5 million
Tech level: 6
Income (Regular Spending): Urumchi 1 , Kashgar 1, 1 national airline=6 points
Spending: level 4 social spending 2 points, 4 garrison units 1 point. Build 3/6 international airline.

Bhutan
Population: 200,000
Tech level: 5
Income : 1 resource= 1 point
Spending: level 5 social spending .25, 1 militia, 1 elite mountain brigade .75 points

Tibet
Population: 2 million
Tech level: 6
Income (Reduced Spending): Lhasa 1, 1 oil point, 1 resource point, 1 national airline + 12.5 aid= 17.5 points
Spending: level 5 social services 2 points, 2 garrison units, 2 mountain infantry brigades 1 point. Build International Airline 6 points, 2 helicopter units, 2 mountain light infantry units 8 points, .5 to Monks.

Nepal
Population: 10 million
Tech level: 5
Income : 1 Kathmandu, 1 resource point=3 points
Spending: level 2 social spending 2 points, 1 militia unit (national police) 2 garrisons, 2 mountain brigades 1 point.

Burma
Population: 20 million
Tech level: 3
Income: 1 oil point, 1 resource+28 UN aid=30 points
Spending: level 1 spending 1 point, 2 infantry divisions, 2 garrisons 1 point. build 1 factory Rangoon, infrastructure improvement year 1 of 3 4 points .

The Philippines
Population: 18 million
Tech level: 6
Income (Regular Spending): Manila 2, 1 international, 1 national airline=6 points
Spending: Level 1 social services 2 points, 1 F86 fighter unit, 1 Corsair fighter bomber, 2 garrison units, 1 C47, 1 parachute brigade, 2 expert, 1 average pilot, 40 corvettes, 2 light infantry divisions, 1 amphibious group, 2 marine light infantry brigades 4 points.

Africa-Mideast

Turkey
Population: 12 million
Tech level: 6
Income (Regular Spending): Ankara 2, Smyrnia 1, 1 national airline, 1 international airline, 8 shipping units=18 points
Spending: Level 3 social services 3.25 points, 2 TA183D fighter units, 2 expert pilots, 2 TA152 fighter bomber units, 2 expert pilots, coast guard with 20 corvettes, 8 light infantry divisions (well trained) 4 points, 4 militia units 7.75 points. Build 1 shipping unit, 1 artillery, 2 infantry


Kurdistan
Population: 5 million
Tech level: 5
Income (National Effort): Mosul 1, 2 oil resource= 5 points
Spending: Level 5 social spending .5, 6 mountain infantry brigades, 2 infantry corps, 2 garrison units, 1 expert pilot, 1 Corsair fighter bomber unit 3 points. Build 3/5 airline


Azerbaijan
Population: 2 million
Tech level: 6
Income: 4 oil points, plus 1 national airline, 1 international airline=8 points
Spending: level 5 social spending 1 point, 1 MiG 19, 1 pilot, 2 flak units, 1 garrison unit, 2 infantry corps (well trained) 6 points. Build 2/3 shipping unit


Armenia-Georgia
Population: 4 million
Tech level: 6
Income: 1 oil point, 1 national airline=3 points
Spending: level 3 social spending 1 point, 4 infantry corps 2 points.


Baghdad
Population: 3 million
Tech level: 5
Income (Regular Spending): Baghdad 2, 1 oil resource, 1 national airline=7 points
Spending: Level 3 social spending 1 point, 1 garrison unit, 2 light infantry divisions (horse cavalry) 1 point. Build 1 artillery unit, 2 light infantry divisions.


Basra
Population: 3 million
Tech level: 4
Income: 2 oil resource, 4 shipping= 6 points
Spending: Level 3 social spending 1 point, 1 garrison unit, 2 light infantry divisions (horse cavalry), 1 point. Build 4/5 national airline.

Kuwait
Population: 200,000
Tech level: 5
Income: 1 oil point=1 point
Spending: Level 5 social spending .5, 2 infantry .5


Jordan
Population: 500,000
Tech level: 4
Income: 1 national airline+1 UN aid= 3 points
Spending: Level 5 social service .25, 1 garrison unit .25. Build 1 light infantry. Year 1 of 3 improve infrastrcure 1 point.


Palestine
Population: 2 million
Tech level: 5
Income: Haifa 1, 2 shipping=4 points
Spending: level 5 social service, 1 garrison unit. 2/4 tourism.


Western Arabia
Population: 2 million
Tech level: 2
Income: 1 from Hajj, Omani aid
Spending: level 1 social spending, 3 garrison units . 6 UN points used to create 2 shipping units.


Saudi Arabia
Population: 2 million
Tech level: 4
Income (Wartime): Riyadh 1, 5 shipping, 3 oil points, -1 to Germany+1.5 Islamics+14 SU= 29.5 points
Spending: Level 4 social spending .75, 4 horse cavalry, 1 garrison, 1.25 points. Build 2 Infantry Corps, 9 light infantry, 2 pilots, 2 MiG 19, .5 to arm assassins.


Oman
Population: 3 million
Tech level: 4
Income: 1 resource, 1 oil, 1 airline, 2 shipping=6 points
Spending: Level 5 social spending 1.5, 2 garrison units, 1 light ship unit (20 corvettes), 1 airborne brigade, 1 mechanized division, 1.5 points, remainder donated to aid Western Arabia provide a military force and provide social spending. Build 2 light infantry units.


Ethiopia
Population: 20 million
Tech level: 5
Income (Regular Spending): Addis Abba 1, plus 1 resource, 1 national airline+24 UN aid=29 points
Spending: Level 1 social services 2 points, 8 light infantry divisions, 2 Infantry Corps 3 points. 1 factory Addis Abba.


Algeria
Population: 8 million
Tech level: 6
Income (Regular Spending): Algiers 1, plus 5 oil resource points, plus national and international airline, plus 5 shipping units=16 points
Spending: Level 5 social service spending 5 points, 2 garrison units, 2 mechanized divisions, 2 expert pilots, 2 Corsair fighter bomber units, 40 corvettes 3 points. Build 8/24 factory.


Morocco
Population: 10 million
Tech level: 6
Income (National Effort): Casablanca 1, Tangiers 1, plus national airline, international airline, 1 colonial point Mauritania=9 points
Spending: level 2 social spending 2 points, 4 mountain brigades, 2 mechanized divisions, 2 expert pilots, 2 Corsair fighter bomber units, 2 reserve garrison units, 10 destroyers, 20 corvettes 6 points. Build 1 shipping unit.


Nigeria
Population: 40 million
Tech level: 5
Income (National Effort): Lagos 2, plus 5 oil resources, 2 other resources, 4 tourism=17 points
Spending: level 3 social services 12 points, 4 garrison units 1 point. Build 4/6 international airline.


Liberia
Population: 800,000
Tech level: 4
Income: Monrovia 1, 1 national airline=4 points
Spending: level 2 social services 2 points, 1 militia unit, 1 light infantry division .25 points. 1.75 points improve infrastructure.

1950 Done

1951 in Progress

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Looking very good so far.

I'm not sure if this should warrant a NPC reaction or RP regarding Mongolia and Tibet. In addition, if such a reaction is to occur, should it happen here or in my Chinese thread?

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10541824&postcount=185

Palestinian leaders from the provisional government meet in in Haifa to begin discussions for creation of a new Palestinian government. Most leaders are leaning towars a weak federal republic with minimal religious influence.

The Union of Burma is officially recognized by the USEA and is invited on the basis of strong pan Asian unity to join the Seoul Conference Treaty.

The USEA cites that the economic and security advantages to be gained would be of huge benefit for the Burmese people.

As promised the Following aid is offered tothe three Balkan States:

Slovenia: 8 points
To spend as they like

Yugoslavia: 9 points
To spend as they like

Albania and Kosovo: 3 points
Shipping Unit.

Also, could you TM me with the views of each of the Serbs and the Croats?

In addition: France offers the the production of AMX tanks to Northwest Africa, Morocco, Algeria, Liberia and Palestine for 3 points per Unit.

Egypt calls for a plebicide in Palestine concerning the formation of the Palestinian Republic and it's confederation with Egypt and Sudan. This would grant Palestinians more religious and political freedoms, better protection and a much improved economy. The Gaza Strip would also be returned to the Palestinian Republic should it merge.

My ideas for Papal/Patriarchal rules

The Vatican
This small and well decorated suburb of Rome is one of the most powerful nations on the planet. The center of the Roman Catholic Church and home of the Pope, it has a vested interest in global politics, and is often active in policymaking. The rules for Papal interaction are as follows.

Selection
The current Pope, Pius XII, has been ruling since 1934 in this timeline. In the event of his death, a Papal Conclave will be held. Players may nominate Cardinals for selection, describing personality, background, and politcal views. One cardinal will be selected for the Papacy. As part of church tradition, a Cardinal from the Vatican has a better chance than a Cardinal from Italy, who has a greater chance than a Cardinal from Catholic Europe, who has a greater chance than a Cardinal from the rest of Europe, etc., etc. Also, due to steryotypes, the next Pope, at least, will almost certainly be white.

The Vatican as a Nation
The UN
The Vatican cannot vote in the UN General Assembly, but will send a member to participate in debates and voice the Pope's opinion.
Papal Tours
Every other year, the Pope will go on a Papal Tour, visiting several nations to both present himself to the greater religious community, and push any ideals of particular importance at the time. While the Pope will generally visit Christian nations, visiting other nations is not out of the question (especially Palestine)
Papal Visits
Leaders of any nations can request a Papal Visit. If they have an issue they wish to discuss with the Pope, the Pope will give his opinion on it. Of course, denying a visit is not out of the question!
Economy
For all intents and purposes, the Vatican's economy exists solely to balance out any maintenance costs, and thus no builds need be posted.
Military
While an attack on the Vatican is extremely unlikely, if one were to occur, the Swiss Guard would be represented by an expertly trained infantry brigade that cannot leave the city.

The Patriarch of Constantinople
The Patriarch of Constantinople is the unnofficial head of the Orthodox Churches. While he only holds power over the Orthodox Church of Constantinople, he holds sway over most of the Orthodox Churches. While he tries to fufill the same role as the Pope, he lacks the congregation and the power to do so. Lacking an independent state leaves him substantially weaker, although still an incredibly powerful force, especially in Eastern Europe and the Middle East.
Selection
Athenagoras I is the current Patriarch in E20, and is selected in a similar way to the Pope.
The Patriarch's Rules in E20
The UN
The Patriarch cannot vote in the UN General Assembly, and sends no delegate, and so must attempt to influence leaders.
Patriarchal Tours
Similar to Papal tours, these are rarer, and only to countries with large Orthodox populations.
Patriarchal Visits
Leaders of any nations can request a Patriarchal Visit. If they have an issue they wish to discuss with the Patriarch, the Patriarch will give his opinion on it. Of course, denying a visit is not out of the question!


Both the Pope and the Patriarch receive vast amounts of information from clergymen and parishoners, and count as having intelligence agencies. The effectiveness depends on the size of the religious population in the nations.

The USEA contacts the Burmese seeking permission to be able to ship troops through their country via rail to aid the F.A.S. in their time of massive internal strife.

OOC: I forgot about Burma.

IC: Burma agrees to both the Seoul Confrerence Treaty and the shipment of troops. Burma is also placed on high alert in case the conflict spills over. Bhutan, Tibet, and Nepal act similarly.

The Palestinian Representatives get nowhere in the constitutional debates and tell the Egyptians to wait until discussions are finished.

The nations of Central America (Guatemala, El Salvador, Honduras, Nicaragua, Costa Rica) have formed the Central American Economic Alliance to act as a pool of economic interest to help eachother prosper.

OOC: Basically, its a way for me to simplify builds. And it makes sense considering all the other large multinational alliances in the hemisphere.

Egypt would like to offer the sale of 100 Vampire MK 3 jets to the Rashidi/Republican front for 1 point (to be paid back within the next 5 years). If they refuse, Egypt will offer the sale to Ethiopia and Baghdad. Finally, if Baghdad refuses, I'll donate the jets to the Libyan Independence Movement.

Reposted from FAS Civil War thread

To Western Arabia (SECRET)

If you find yourself threatened by the alliance between the UIR and the Saudis, we shall come to your aid in an instant. Allowing the Shi'a Persians and incestous Saudis to overthrow the rightful sherif of Mecca would be a crime against Islam.


Also, while I'm at it:

To King of Jordan and ? of Palestine

As you are probably aware, Syria recently overhauled its highway system (improved infrastructure). We would like to help our neighbors by creating a network shared by all three of our nations, stretching from Aqaba to Aleppo, from Haifa to Amman, and improving the economies of all our nations. We can pay for at least half of each of your costs, if you so desire.

Having reached its Industrial limit, France is looking for investment venues, since we have been making progress with The Balkan states we would like to offer the construction of several industrial production centres in the Balkan areas in exchange for half ofthe points produced by them in their current economic spending (Cut spending: .5/ Normal: 1/ National effort: 2) for a period of 50 years from their construction.

Our program aims to construct one in Albania and one in Yugoslavia. (since Slovenia has reached its limit, although why are they building a factory? are they hitting 5 million soon?)

This is open for negotiation, of course.

My ideas for Papal/Patriarchal rules

The Vatican
This small and well decorated suburb of Rome is one of the most powerful nations on the planet. The center of the Roman Catholic Church and home of the Pope, it has a vested interest in global politics, and is often active in policymaking. The rules for Papal interaction are as follows.

Selection
The current Pope, Pius XII, has been ruling since 1934 in this timeline. In the event of his death, a Papal Conclave will be held. Players may nominate Cardinals for selection, describing personality, background, and politcal views. One cardinal will be selected for the Papacy. As part of church tradition, a Cardinal from the Vatican has a better chance than a Cardinal from Italy, who has a greater chance than a Cardinal from Catholic Europe, who has a greater chance than a Cardinal from the rest of Europe, etc., etc. Also, due to steryotypes, the next Pope, at least, will almost certainly be white.

The Vatican as a Nation
The UN
The Vatican cannot vote in the UN General Assembly, but will send a member to participate in debates and voice the Pope's opinion.
Papal Tours
Every other year, the Pope will go on a Papal Tour, visiting several nations to both present himself to the greater religious community, and push any ideals of particular importance at the time. While the Pope will generally visit Christian nations, visiting other nations is not out of the question (especially Palestine)
Papal Visits
Leaders of any nations can request a Papal Visit. If they have an issue they wish to discuss with the Pope, the Pope will give his opinion on it. Of course, denying a visit is not out of the question!
Economy
For all intents and purposes, the Vatican's economy exists solely to balance out any maintenance costs, and thus no builds need be posted.
Military
While an attack on the Vatican is extremely unlikely, if one were to occur, the Swiss Guard would be represented by an expertly trained infantry brigade that cannot leave the city.

The Patriarch of Constantinople
The Patriarch of Constantinople is the unnofficial head of the Orthodox Churches. While he only holds power over the Orthodox Church of Constantinople, he holds sway over most of the Orthodox Churches. While he tries to fufill the same role as the Pope, he lacks the congregation and the power to do so. Lacking an independent state leaves him substantially weaker, although still an incredibly powerful force, especially in Eastern Europe and the Middle East.
Selection
Athenagoras I is the current Patriarch in E20, and is selected in a similar way to the Pope.
The Patriarch's Rules in E20
The UN
The Patriarch cannot vote in the UN General Assembly, and sends no delegate, and so must attempt to influence leaders.
Patriarchal Tours
Similar to Papal tours, these are rarer, and only to countries with large Orthodox populations.
Patriarchal Visits
Leaders of any nations can request a Patriarchal Visit. If they have an issue they wish to discuss with the Patriarch, the Patriarch will give his opinion on it. Of course, denying a visit is not out of the question!


Both the Pope and the Patriarch receive vast amounts of information from clergymen and parishoners, and count as having intelligence agencies. The effectiveness depends on the size of the religious population in the nations.

Could have sworn the pope (probably Pius XII) died in a Pact bombing raid on Rome during the 3rd World War. Probably means a different guy is in power now...

The SU and the Urkaine will be signing an economic and military treaty(which will probaly include Poland).

and ya the pope died

Could have sworn the pope (probably Pius XII) died in a Pact bombing raid on Rome during the 3rd World War. Probably means a different guy is in power now...

he was, it triggered serious outrage in Latin America

1951 US continues substantial aid to friendly nations

Massive Aid to Mexico, Morocco, Oman, Central Asia, Turkey, Kurdistan, Jordan, Western Arabia, Central America, the Caribbean, Iceland, Liberia, and the Philippines.

(see US and Economic threads)... plus US is supporting covertly (and urging) an Omani move to deal with Saudi Arabia, which is interfering in the FAS Civil War.

I'm not actually playing anymore, but I'd like to point out that Paraguay has been absorbed into the FNS.

Based on the following...

Originally Posted by Cylea
Australian government officials quietly begin surveying the Indonesian populace on their views toward the proposed independence in the coming years. It is subtlely pointed out that Australia has provided industrial centers and social services that Indonesia alone can not provide for itself, but if reactions are strongly in favor of independence the issue is dropped.

ooc: guess I'm asking for a moderator ruling on this...

Java, Sumatra and Bali want indepedence as Indonesia (which is where the majority of the Moslem population lives). The smaller islands, or the islands like the Celebes and Bornea are less excited about independence, as they view independence leading to their domination by those islands and simply exchanging the Dutch and then Australians for Javanese and Sumatrans.

In short, the area is divided.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indonesia#Demographics
Map (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Id-map.png)

I hope that an NPC/realism mod could consider the possibility of the Moluccas in east Indonesia remaining under Australian control when Indonesia obtains independence in 2 years. Appropriate diplomatic pressures and the offer of autonomy as a state in Australia would hopefully be considered as well.

The Moluccas and the other small islands are for remaining a part of Australia, since treatment under the Australians has been the best they have recieved ever. Autonomy is also a must.

Sumatra, Java and Bali are fanatically for independance and shun the idea of joining Australia.

However, Kalimantan and Sulawesi are unsure of what they want. Not wanting dominance by the Javans and Sumatrans, while not really favoring joining Australia are toying with various ideas, including separate independance and even merging with Malaysia, although no ideas have gained any ground.

Parthini']The Moluccas and the other small islands are for remaining a part of Australia, since treatment under the Australians has been the best they have recieved ever. Autonomy is also a must.

Sumatra, Java and Bali are fanatically for independance and shun the idea of joining Australia.

However, Kalimantan and Sulawesi are unsure of what they want. Not wanting dominance by the Javans and Sumatrans, while not really favoring joining Australia are toying with various ideas, including separate independance and even merging with Malaysia, although no ideas have gained any ground.

Thanks. I agree, I just didnt want to make a ruling on my own issue.

Thanks. I agree, I just didnt want to make a ruling on my own issue.

ooc
by the way, the oilfields are concentrated in Java, Sumatra and Borneo..not much elsewhere

ooc
by the way, the oilfields are concentrated in Java, Sumatra and Borneo..not much elsewhere

I understand, but i am scraping the bottom of the barrel for population and any extra territory is nice too.

OOC: I'm really liking the idea about people doing their NPC allies' builds.

I guess I'll distribute the UN points still.

I will write up a proposed list of NPC nations that can have their builds done by what nations.

OOC: Are the only countries not combined with Gran Columbia, Paraguay and Brazil.

Didi the Balkans agree to my offer? also what about Slovenia?

Another point is: Did anyone whom I offered to, wanted to buy any AMX-30's?

EDIT: could you please answer these as I have to write my economic build.

EDIT: When Northwest Africa reachs tech level 6 I am granted the contract for their rural electrifation, this was not objected upon when I improved their infrastructure for that condition.

OOC:If there are no objections then I will consider the matter valid.

The Republic is pleased with the acceptance of the Balkan states of the Investment program and hope for a continued prosperous relationship.

The Republic also informs Northwest Africa that we will honor our contract and begin rural elctrification.

France offers an investment plan similar to the Balkan one to Northwest Africa.

Okay it's been nearly two years and the Palestinian government hasn't made up it's mind. Also, Nasserism, considering Nassar won the Palestinian War and got an early start by nearly 10 years, should be spreading like wildfire across the Arab World. Perhaps in this timeline, Nasserism's pan-Arabism will become stronger (in RL, Egypt and Syria actually united for a while). Don't forget that Egypt's influence, Nasserism, Pan-Arabism, etc. mainly died off in RL because of Israel's victories.

Edit: And is this Pro-Unity Propaganda in Palestine that I'm wasting money on actually doing anything?

The Republic of the phillipines is asked to vote on Burma's enterance into the Seoul Conference Treaty.

As a token of goodwill and to help Burma take it's place alongside the rest of modern Asia the USEA offers to build The Union of Burma three shipping units.
The cost of these could then be paid back to the USEA over the course of ten years.

New NPCs by the end of 1952:

Britain officially announces that by the next years (1952) end the following nations will have full and complete independence from the UK:

The Gambia
Nigeria
Ghana
Senegal
Togo

The above countries have essentially been self governing for a while now and should have enough experience of it to become successful nations. They will, of course, be offered membership in the Commonwealth of Nations.

In addition the following countries will unite with Kalimantan and Sulawesi to forma new nation at the end of 1953. Until then they will nominally have dominion status as a group allowing them to function autominally until independence:
Malaya
Singapore

In addition Sierra Leone is given status as a "Special Autonomous Region" for want of a better name and given autonomous rule, though still reportable to Britain and technically still British soil. This is to avoid any complications in relation to the ESA base.

Due to Scandic involvement in supporting the Saudis, Syria would ask all members of the Arab League, and and any other willing nations, to participate in a full boycott of Scandanavian goods and traffic.

EDIT: (OOC: I'd expect W. Arabia, Oman, Palestine, and Jordan to join in a heartbeat, and perhaps a few non-Arab nations with a beef w/the SU would hop on)

Ex-British colonies economics 1952:

Please let me know if these posts are OK, I am a little unsure of some points.

States that will be independent by years end:

Gambia

Pop: 280,000
Tech: 6
Income: 1 resource point (peanuts and fishing), .25 points loaned from the World Bank, will repay next turn.
Spending: level 4 social .25 points; 1 point for an infantry division.
Growth: 0

Nigeria

Pop: 35 million
Tech: 6
Income: 2 production centres at Lagos, 5 points from Oil exports, 2 points from cruise terminal and airport.
Spending: 10 points for level 3 social services, 1 point for one infantry division
Growth: 1/2 production centre.

Togo

Pop: 1.3 million
Tech: 6
Income: 1 production centre at Lomé, 1 resource point (Cocoa)
Spending: 2 points for level 3 social services, 1 point for an infantry division
Growth: 0

Ghana

Pop: 4.7 million
Tech: 6
Income: 1 production centre at Accra. 2 resource points (Gold, Timber and Cocoa)
Spending: level 4 social services 2.5 points, 1 point for 1 infantry division, .5 points towards a garrison (.5/3)
Growth: 0

Senegal

Pop: 2.7 million
Tech: 6
Income: 1 production centre at Dakar
Spending: 1 point for level 3 social services, 1 point for an infantry division.

Togo
Pop: 1.3 million
Tech: 6
Income: 1 production centre at Lomé
Spending: Level 4 social services 1 point, 1 point for an infantry division.

States that will amalgamate by year's end:

Malaya and Singapore
Pop: 5.5 million
Tech: 5
Income: 1 production centre at Kuala Lumpur and one at Singapore, one resource point (rubber)
Spending: Level 4 social services 3 points, two infantry divisions 2 points.

Special Autonomous Regions:

Sierra Leone
Pop: 1.9 million
Tech: 6
Income: One production centre at Freetown
Spending: Level 4 services 1 point, one point for one infantry division.

All African nations are tech 5 from British, South African and US investment prior to Great War III.

I thought I've been building infrastrucure in some of those areas, so wouldn't they have a higer tech level?

On tech level 6, I also thought I negotiated with them that I could electrify their rural areas also?

Soon to be Independent States (rough) Preview:

Indonesia (includes Java, Sumatra, and Bali):
Population (estimated): 22 million
2 Oil Points + 4 Resource Points + 2 Production Centers + 2 Merchant Marine = 12 Points
1 Garrison Unit, 1 Hawker Hunter Fighter wing with average Pilot and 1 Frigate Flotilla

Kalimantan and Sulawesi (to join with Malyasia):
Population (estimated): 8 million
2 Oil Points + 2 Resource Points + 1 Production Center + 1 Merchant Marine = 7 Points
1 Garrison Unit, 1 Hawker Hunter Fighter wing with average Pilot and 1 Frigate Flotilla

What tech level are these nations going to be?

Japan is offering 5 points in aid to the Phillipines

I thought I've been building infrastrucure in some of those areas, so wouldn't they have a higer tech level?

On tech level 6, I also thought I negotiated with them that I could electrify their rural areas also?

I was unsure of their tech levels, so I will bump them up to tech 6. Thanks.

As to rural electrification I think that was largely centred on the ex-French, now UN mandate areas (Mali, Mauritious, Ivory Coast etc) and not the rest of Africa? Though i'm not too sure, something for the economy mods to think about.

*screams*

Phillippines takes the 5 points and votes to allow Burma to join, while Burma agrees to let three shipping units be built for it.

The Arabs, including Baghdad and Basra (who are scared of the Saudis) agree to boycott the SU.

Lastly, Palestine, not agreeing on anything, agrees to join Egypt, but Jerusalem demands to remain a totally autonimous entity (like Zion in Argentina).

Lastly, Palestine, not agreeing on anything, agrees to join Egypt, but Jerusalem demands to remain a totally autonimous entity (like Zion in Argentina).

Palestine has been reorganized into the Palestinian Republic and new elections are to be held in the next few months (former officials are allowed to run). In accordance with the rules of the confederation, Palestine is also not required to enter the war (Sudan isn't either).

OOC: Maybe Pan-Arabism will be more successful in this timeline?

I was unsure of their tech levels, so I will bump them up to tech 6. Thanks.

As to rural electrification I think that was largely centred on the ex-French, now UN mandate areas (Mali, Mauritious, Ivory Coast etc) and not the rest of Africa? Though i'm not too sure, something for the economy mods to think about.

As far as I know, the rural electrification was in both the ex-French and current British colonies, though you and Galveston paid for it, so maybe Galveston Bay knows for sure.

OOC: So far I am concerned I have been and am building infrastructure to:

Northwest Africa
(modern names are Senegal, Guinea, Sierra Leon, Mali, formerly French Equatorial Africa and British Sierra Leon, now under UN authority with Britain handling the Mandate)
population: 10 million, tech level 4
production center: Dakar 1, Freetown 1, national airline

Not to be confused with:

Equatorial Ghana (British / Algerian / Moroccan UN Mandate)
(modern names are Ivory Coast, Ghana, Togo, Benin, Burkina, Niger (western part))
population: 12 million, tech level 3
no production centers, 2 resources (cash crops)
1944 budget: Level 1 social services 1 point, 4 garrison units

British Nigeria (includes eastern Niger, Chad, Cameroon)
Population: 40 million, tech level 5
Production centers: Lagos 2, plus 5 oil resources, 2 other resources (rubber), tourism 8 points
1944 budget: level 3 social services 12 points, 2 garrison units .5 points, plus 4.5 points to Britain

So I am afraid not all of them benefited from my infrastructure, although I may have been unintentionally building infrastructure in origanilly British areas (like Sierra Leone), but I hope Lesser Ribana would agree to allow that as an offer of cooperation between France and the UK.

If not then I can agree that these points were "waste".
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IC: The French government, seeing the independance of the mandate region to small nation edits its offer and resends it so that:

The French Government offers to construct one prodction centre in the following cities:

1953:
Dakar (Senegal)
Toumboucto (Mali)
Conakry (Guinea)

1954:
Quagadougot (Burkina Faso)
Bamako (Mali)
Kankan (Guinea)

Under the condition that half of the points generated by each production centre is paid to the French Government (Cut Spending: 0.5 points, Normal Spending: 1 point, National effort: 1.5 points) for thirty years (ends 1983-1984), in the unlikely event of warefare payments can be postponed.

Note: Please can I have a reply for this one?

I'm fine with you just providing things for NW Africa as opposed to all of it.

It's certainly fine for you to improve ex-British areas as well.

The economy and NPC mods will have to answer your other questions i'm afraid.

Russia quietly informs both Poland and the Ukraine that Russia is willing to help defend their respective nations if a war in Europe erupts and providing that neither nation was the catalyst.

Russia quietly informs both Poland and the Ukraine that Russia is willing to help defend their respective nations if a war in Europe erupts and providing that neither nation was the catalyst.


OOC: Both Poland and the Ukraine happen to be Scandic allies.

OOC: This week, until Sunday, I am swamped between the school musical (this Thursday), school, Social Life, and the SAT (Saturday), and I am not being able to do my duties as NPC mod, especially considering all the stuff happening with Germany. Thus, can some other mod take place as NPC mod until Sunday?

It also doesn't help that my laptop died...

Parthini']OOC: This week, until Sunday, I am swamped between the school musical (this Thursday), school, Social Life, and the SAT (Saturday), and I am not being able to do my duties as NPC mod, especially considering all the stuff happening with Germany. Thus, can some other mod take place as NPC mod until Sunday?

It also doesn't help that my laptop died...

Malkyer or I could take the load, seeing that LR already has plenty to handle with the whole Saudia Arabia war and stuff.

My RL workload is gonna be extremely light starting Thursday or Friday, seeing that I've finished all that can be done at my website job for the time being (now the only thing left is to add content but I have to play the "Waiting Game" with various people who have to e-mail me the content to put up in the websites).

Malkyer or I could take the load, seeing that LR already has plenty to handle with the whole Saudia Arabia war and stuff.

Indeed LR is overloaded with work. Still I should catch up a bit shortly, I had yesterday off college due to a local government strike (teachers still went in but no health and safety staff) and I have this morning timetabled as free time anyway.

I have no problems with Sharina or whoever taking over for a short while.

IC: The French government, seeing the independance of the mandate region to small nation edits its offer and resends it so that:

The French Government offers to construct one prodction centre in the following cities:

1953:
Dakar (Senegal)
Toumboucto (Mali)
Conakry (Guinea)

1954:
Quagadougot (Burkina Faso)
Bamako (Mali)
Kankan (Guinea)

Under the condition that half of the points generated by each production centre is paid to the French Government (Cut Spending: 0.5 points, Normal Spending: 1 point, National effort: 1.5 points) for thirty years (ends 1983-1984), in the unlikely event of warefare payments can be postponed.

Note: Please can I have a reply for this one?


As an alternative offer the points provided can be used to build shipping and/or airlines, but nations that would like to choose this offer would have to pay 4 points a year for 25 years per every package accepted for 15 years.

Alternative Package: 20 points which can be used to build commerce
Recommended: 4 airlines

Nations offered:
1953-
Senegal
Mali
Guinea

1954-
Burkina Faso
Senegal
Guinea


-edited offer again-

Good old King Hussein should have couped his brother the beginning of this year in Jordan. Since he's a serious supporter of the Pan-Arab movement (even up until the late '90's) will Jordan be joining the United Republics?

The Arab Revolt must join the fray at this juncture and interact with the spirit of the age and its burgeoning drive to create a human order different from that advanced by its present advocates. It is imperative that there be a connection with our roots but also an openness to life and a release from despair. We should look for a time when the South would cease to be a supplicant to the North, when the interests of any single faction, race or sect would cease to prevail. We should seek an order with a humane and ethical dimension which responds to past, present and future aspirations. We should look for an order imbued with a purity of spirit and the spotlessness of true revolutionaries, an order far removed from the stains of oil, consumerism and tyranny, an order characterized by a raging commitment to what is right, an order through which we can alleviate hunger, quench the thirst for freedom and aid the oppressed. Let the activists, thinkers and pioneers of this good, honest, poor yet dignified nation come forward to uphold its message and put an end to division and disarray. Let us Arabs have a new Arab order, a united Arab states, or one Arab state.

The Philippines (by the way) is using the 5 points a year that Japan has given it (2 years worth by 1953) to build a production center in Davao, Mindanao.

To Algeria:

The French Government has cherished the era of harmony that has existed between our two nations and admire how has Algeria prospered throughout the years.

As you know the trouble in the Middle East has caused disruptions in the oil markets, this has caused us to look for more stable markets, as since your fair nation has a very close proximity to ours and that there has been some substantial trade with the private sector, we have decided to explore the possibillity of directly dealing with Algeria for oil.

We are prepared to offer 12 points for 4 oil points.

(OOC: quite a bargain don't you think?)
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To The Balkan States of Yugoslavia & Albania and Montenegro:

Greetings good friends,

In the spirit of Cooperation and Friendship, We are pleased to present you with another aid package of 10 points (each) to help you with your commerce.

<Secret Part>
We have noticed aswell the emergance of a troubling "neighbor" and would like to offer you several "Pollitical Advisors" to help you out in any present or future matter.
<Secret Part>
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To Spain:

We would like to invite a representative to attend an upcoming Ball (OOC: relatively minor social event) at the Versailles Palace to participate in the festivities and perhaps discuss the future of Franco-Spanish Relations.
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OOC: I think what happens is whoever has the oil point, gets one point from it and that 1 point travels over to whoever is using it.

If the case is different, someone tell me :p

IC: The Balkans states welcome the French Advisors as well as further cooperation. At least some of the powers still care about them.

Spain also accepts the invitation to the Ball.

Oh and that case 12 points for the 5 oil points

Hearing of the Eneregy Crisis, the Algerian government says 6 points per oil point. No less.

Ah, but I made the offer before the energy crisis... not fair :(

No Deal

ooc
figure oil goes to the closest market, in the case of North African oil, that would be most likely southern Europe and Africa.

Alternative offer to Algeria:

The French government will invest in infrastructre to improve oil extraction in exchang for oil at reasonable prices.

Alternative offer to Algeria:

The French government will invest in infrastructre to improve oil extraction in exchang for oil at reasonable prices.

ooc
Algeria and Libya developed their infrastructure before the Third Great War, so its a mature infrastructure. Essentially, until I have some rules developed, just go with the 1% loss of growth for simplicity please.

OOC: Wait, who all loses 2% and who loses 1%? I thought all of Europe and East Asia lsot 2%...

Korea consults the Central Asian Republic and Xinjiang/Kashgaria very quietly on the prospect of purchasing petroleum.

While much of that still goes to Russia and East Europe, the CAR is curious to know what Korea offers.

Parthini']While much of that still goes to Russia and East Europe, the CAR is curious to know what Korea offers.

SIC:

CAR would recieve cash payment for its services plus investment in local infrastructure by the Korean-Australian Chemical Company to aid in extraction and transport to customers in Korea, and possibly other members of the SCT.

OOC: Basically, points for oil and points for local infrastructure to sweeten the pot.

How much?

Parthini']How much?

SIC: Name a price for oil.

As for infrstructure, how's 10 points sound?

5 points per Oil point.

10 points per infrastructure is good.

Parthini']5 points per Oil point.

10 points per infrastructure is good.

OOC: Per Infrastructure? You mean I have to pay for multiple sites?

Oh wait. Umm... for developing sites... say... 7 per site and you get exclusive rights to it.

Parthini']Oh wait. Umm... for developing sites... say... 7 per site and you get exclusive rights to it.

7 eh? Before I accept, one thing. How many available sites are there?

That you will have to ask the economy mod.

OOC: I've noticed a lot of NPC's have their builds being neglected. I think we should reorganize and see who is doing what NPCs and what NPC's have no builds :p

Parthini']OOC: I've noticed a lot of NPC's have their builds being neglected. I think we should reorganize and see who is doing what NPCs and what NPC's have no builds :p

I will handle the ones I am responsible for tomorrow or Tuesday

Secret negotiations <secret to anyone but the Germans, British and the Balkans> with Yugoslavia & Albania and Kosovo about the possibillity of them to contribute to the ESA and what perhaps may be the mutua benefits.

They are reminded that they must be willing to seriously contribute to the program in order to recieve any serious benefits. A british negotiater and a German negotiater could be present also.
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After participating in social festivities, the French Forign Minister meets with the Spanish representative and has a nice conversation over the future of Europe, the Oil Crisis, the Brazillian Economic Boom, he then puts forward an idea; a cultural exchange program.

This would all EEC partners, but to truely represent European culture the EEC feels that non-member European nations should participate in the event since every nation has contributed to this, no less the Iberian Penensula.

Formal negotians is proposed for the implementation of this between EEC nations and the Spanish government.

Also similar gestures are made towards the Swiss, Russian, Italian, Yugoslavian, Greek, Albanian, Hungarian, Romanian, Czechslovakian and Polish governments.
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South Africa sends a message to the Portugese government, stating that South Africa will give Portugal until 15 January to begin moving civil servants and soldiers out of Angola, with South African civilian officials replacing them as they leave and the South African Defense Force entering Angola on 1 February. Portugese colonists who wish to stay will be allowed to do so, and South Africa will ensure that they recieve equal political rights upon independence.

It is implied, though not explicitly stated, that South Africa will move into Angola (and Mozambique if need be) on 1 February regardless of Portugese action.

ooc: by the previous player's own directions, there were almost no portuguese military forces in east timor. as such....

IC: The Australian government sends a message to Lisbon explaining its actions in maintain security on East Timor in the wake of the people's decision as it moves 2 light marine brigades and 4 destroyers into the territory in early January. Portuguese citizens are happily reminded that Australia will provide full transport back to their homeland if they desire it, though they are of course encouraged to stay and enjoy full rights under the Commonwealth. Government officials are flown in to work with Portuguese officials and it is hoped that cooperation will occur.

Britain publically announces it's intention to grant several more states their independence over the coming years. The situation will be as follows:

Cyprus- Full independence by the end of 1955, on the condition that it is split into two entities, the Republics of Northern and Southern Cyprus. Each republic will function seperately and be controlled by elected bodies based on the two house political system (like the USA), a president will lead each republic. Any citizens within Cyprus will be allowed to travel to whichever republic they wish prior to seperation, any costs incurred will be paid for by the British Commonwealth and Empire Office.

The final condition is that the current British base areas of Akrotiri and Dhekelia remain in British hands as sovereign British territory and that a strip of land dividing each nation be controlled by Britain as well (see current UN Green Line), crossing between the two countries will be monitored by British forces at several checkpoint locations along the line, but it is to be otherwise sovereign territory of the Crown and guarded by a line of fences and guard posts.

OOC: This should hopefully stop any future conflicts there.

Kenya- Independence by 1962, once British investment has industrialised the nation

Tanzania- See Kenya

Carribean- Retained as part of Empire until industrialisation can be achieved, probably independent by 1970s

Ceylon- Independence by 1956, will be granted domestic autonomy immediately

Uganda- See Kenya
Rwanda- See Kenya
Congo- See Kenya
Gabon- See Kenya
Equatorial Guinea- See Kenya
Cameroon- See Kenya
Central African Republic- See Kenya
Chad- See Kenya

British Pacific Possessions and other smaller nations-To be granted independence on a case by case basis as wanted by populace, many may be retained as sovereign territory to maintain high standards of living there.

All nations to be offered membership of Commonwealth of Nations upon independence. Though veto can be exerted by the Commonwealth members on a case by case basis.

Having received no communique from the Portugese government regarding the recent UN plebiscite in Angola or Mozambique, South African forces (consisting of one mechanized division and one light infantry division) have crossed the Southwest African-Angolan border. South Africa has declared Angola a "depedent state of South Africa," and is broadcasting radio messages to the effect that any Portugese government official or soldier who resists the South African occupation is in violation of UN mandate. Civilians, both natives and colonists, are urged to comply with instructions from the South African Defense Force.

South African troops have not moved into Mozambique at this time. South Africa does not recognize Mozambique as an indepedent state, but is unwilling to jeopardize its support in the UN by taking action against Mozambique until the Angolan affair is over.

IC: The Portuguese Government has fallen and Salazar has stepped down and then shot leading to a period of Anarchy as his subordinates begin to fight amongst themselves. Most Portuguese, soldiers and civilians, just give up claim to citizenship in Portugal and accept their fate. Little resistance is met.

In Greece, due to the depression, the government is replaced by a more radical right-wing government with plans to "restore Greece to the time of Alexander."

The Indonesian and Malyasian governments are QUIETLY contacted concerning the possibility of using their ports as bases for Australian submarine patrols for the next few months, in the event that war breaks out. Reluctance on their part is not expected, but should it be an issue their governments are issued a diplomatic version of "you owe us..."

Recognizing Indonesia and Malaysia's independance the USEA extends a hand of friendship to it's two newest neighbours.
The USEA welcomes the two countries to the Asian community and states that the USEA will always help if they are threatened by outside aggresion.

Turkey, the Central Asian Republic and the Ukraine enter into talks regarding improving economic cooperation and regarding the situation in northern Europe on May 2, 1955. News reports indicate the talks are going well.

ooc
Intelligence report to Russia, Germany, the US, UK and Syria indicate that in the event any of the three is attacked by Russia, all three will join together to fight the Russians. What is not reported in the media but picked up by intelligence is that Polish observers are present as well.

OOC: Do I have any observers there along with the Poles and if not can I send somone?

OOC: Do I have any observers there along with the Poles and if not can I send somone?

assume yes to that

It is informally mentioned to the Lowland states (BeNeBur) that the government of France would be willing to Gurantee the independance of each of them should the need is felt.

To the Balkan States, offers of Millitary assistance is presented to Yugoslavia & Albania and Kosovo,this includes handling the maintenance of their millitary and offers of quality French Equipment.

To Northwest Africa pollitical advisors are offered as aid.

Both the Dutch and Burgundians will enter talks (Belgium is a PC nation, although if he doesn't post, assume they will too) with France. Both nations have mobilized their forces. All three are also allowing the Americans to conduct overflights (and will also allow the Brits as well) with U2s and RB47s (which are conducting photo and signals intelligence flights).

The Czechs place their forces on alert. The Swiss begin civil defense drills.

In part due to the intelligence reports, Syria asks the Turkish government for the following:

1) A non-agression pact, or similar agreement, is signed delaring no Turkish ill-will towards the Kingdom of Syria or other neighboring states.

2) If a war is to break out, Syrian commercial access to the Black Sea will not be denied.

In part due to the intelligence reports, Syria asks the Turkish government for the following:

1) A non-agression pact, or similar agreement, is signed delaring no Turkish ill-will towards the Kingdom of Syria or other neighboring states.

2) If a war is to break out, Syrian commercial access to the Black Sea will not be denied.

Turkey points out that under UN rules a non aggression pact is in effect already and also that it only controls the eastern side of the Dardenelles, the Greeks control the other side. But the Turkish government reassures the Syrians that no aggression is planned against Syria from Turkey. (ooc it will take at least a week to get that much short of direct talks between heads of state)

Recognizing Indonesia and Malaysia's independance the USEA extends a hand of friendship to it's two newest neighbours.
The USEA welcomes the two countries to the Asian community and states that the USEA will always help if they are threatened by outside aggresion.

Korea also recognizes Malaysia and Indonesia, and extends an offer from the SCT to join up.

Germany has sent 20 points to Arabia to be used to secure oil points, either by purchasing of existing oil fields or drilling of new ones.

Germany has also sent 10 goodwill points to Kurdistan.

Citing a lack of Arab League participation in Arab League programs (2 points from members [excluding Syria and Egypt], 28 points from non-Members (Germany), Syria calls for each member state to fund 5 points for the program over the next 5 years, at whatever rate they can best afford (1 point per year sounds reasonable enough)

Japan would like to invite the CAR and Kashgaria to the SCT. We look forward to your reply

I would assume they decline. They already have a nice little alliance going and Kashgaria doesn't want to be a puppet of China like it was, and the CAR is still probably terrified of Pakistan.

And don't you think the SCT is getting too big?

Parthini']I would assume they decline. They already have a nice little alliance going and Kashgaria doesn't want to be a puppet of China like it was, and the CAR is still probably terrified of Pakistan.

And don't you think the SCT is getting too big?

Well Kasgaria was going to be offered it's own port facilities in Pakistan so that they could at least have some limited shipping capablities.
Why would the CAR be terrified of Pakistan?

And wouldn't acsess to a space program, nuclear powerplants (China is going to start constucting them in the smaller member nations soon), our joint intelligence network, discounts on military technology develped by member nations and garunteed defensive aid should one of their western neighbours starts getting pushy (Russia) effect their desicion in some way?
Coupled with the fact that an invitation to join the SCT is basically us recognizing them as equals in a greater unified Asian community.

As for getting too big.... we have not even begun.

As for getting too big.... we have not even begun.

Be careful, Middle Eastern politics (if you get central asia we'll be the only part left) are still an area thats its risky to get into, and will likely stay that way for a while at least.

Be careful, Middle Eastern politics (if you get central asia we'll be the only part left) are still an area thats its risky to get into, and will likely stay that way for a while at least.

Countries of the middle east would not be offered invitation to the SCT immediatly. Instead friendly diplomatic channels would be opened up between the two alliance blocks of the Arab Leauge and the SCT and we would for the most part stay as a friendly neighbour unless one of the middle eastern nations applied to join the SCT upon which its application would be viewed like any other.

Japan would like to invite the CAR and Kashgaria to the SCT. We look forward to your reply

Kashgaria and Central Asia are aligned with Turkey, and are willing to trade with the SCT, but not become member nations. They like their neutrality, and receive substantial US and Scandic assistance already.

ooc
They would be worried about the fact that Pakistan and China outnumber them by about 10:1 population wise (or more depending) and China and India both COULD be serious threats to them.

Kashgaria and Central Asia are aligned with Turkey, and are willing to trade with the SCT, but not become member nations. They like their neutrality, and receive substantial US and Scandic assistance already.

ooc
They would be worried about the fact that Pakistan and China outnumber them by about 10:1 population wise (or more depending) and China and India both COULD be serious threats to them.

The thing about threats doesn't really make sense, if they were in the SCT and allies to China and Pakistan surely they would be safe from agression from that direction and not the other way round?

The thing about threats doesn't really make sense, if they were in the SCT and allies to China and Pakistan surely they would be safe from agression from that direction and not the other way round?

they are more inclined toward caution.... the stability of South Asia for example is VERY open to question for example.

they are more inclined toward caution.... the stability of South Asia for example is VERY open to question for example.

That hurts my feelings :(

Back to seriousness, though, China's economy is now larger than yours, and East Asia is now giving the west a serious run for its money. The SCT promises alot of free points, safety (Pakistan has a popular government, and the people have learned that military coups only end really, really badly, so Pakistan has learned its lesson about military dictatorships. At least until the mid '70s), and trade. Hell, I was willing to give them ports (so that they could actually get some commerce points).

Also, if Kashgaria and the CAR were in the SCT, if I went crazy and decided to try and invade them (or if China tried too), the other country would intervene to stop them (I don't think China wants to see Kashgaria in Pakistani hands, or Pakistan Kashgaria in Chinese hands), as well as the fact that we can't invade fellow member states. However, since Kashgaria and the CAR are outside the SCT, there would be nothing in the SCT Charter to stop one of us from trying to annex them.

However, since Kashgaria and the CAR are outside the SCT, there would be nothing in the SCT Charter to stop one of us from trying to annex them.

However, there would be the US, Britain, Scandinavia, FNS, Russia and Germany, not to mention the Middle East and Commonwealth to.

Parthini']However, there would be the US, Britain, Scandinavia, FNS, Russia and Germany, not to mention the Middle East and Commonwealth to.

None of those nations have the economic power of China, or the economic power that I will have in 10 years (our economies are growing at breakneck speed, and ours will cap at a much higher level than yours). Also, if you guys attack an SCT member, you will most likely have the rest of the SCT getting pissed at you. And we have ICBM's laden with nukes and shit (well, Pakistan doesnt, but our allies do, and if Pakistans economy is shifted into Total War we could produce thousands of ICBM's).

It would most likely go down like the Soviet Invasion of Afghanistan; the world funding rebels to try and kick out the invaders.

All of us together do.

None of those nations have the economic power of China, or the economic power that I will have in 10 years (our economies are growing at breakneck speed, and ours will cap at a much higher level than yours). Also, if you guys attack an SCT member, you will most likely have the rest of the SCT getting pissed at you. And we have ICBM's laden with nukes and shit (well, Pakistan doesnt, but our allies do, and if Pakistans economy is shifted into Total War we could produce thousands of ICBM's).

It would most likely go down like the Soviet Invasion of Afghanistan; the world funding rebels to try and kick out the invaders.

wheeee mutual destruction. remind me again how bragging about everybody is now capable of vaporizing half the friggin planet actually means anything? For whatever reason in this timeline, despite the fact that WMD was far more used and its evils were more apparent, the number of nations with access to them has multiplied. You have them, they have them, even freaking Australia has them.

we wont get anywhere using them. Mutual destruction is just that.

wheeee mutual destruction. remind me again how bragging about everybody is now capable of vaporizing half the friggin planet actually means anything? For whatever reason in this timeline, despite the fact that WMD was far more used and its evils were more apparent, the number of nations with access to them has multiplied. You have them, they have them, even freaking Australia has them.

we wont get anywhere using them. Mutual destruction is just that.

Exactly.

That's why I said the west wouldn't intervene in an invasion of Kashgaria or the CAR; at least not directly. It would be more of a proxy war, like in Afghanistan or Vietnam.

Now do you see why I'm pushing for a Project Orion :p

Anyways, I remember GB talking about how he could kill half of India with one anthrax bomb in the right place...

Plus, all of our economies would be greater than yours. Not to mention our militaries....

So you lose, and I laugh while I watch the fireworks from my space palace.

Parthini']Now do you see why I'm pushing for a Project Orion :p

Anyways, I remember GB talking about how he could kill half of India with one anthrax bomb in the right place...

Plus, all of our economies would be greater than yours. Not to mention our militaries....

So you lose, and I laugh while I watch the fireworks from my space palace.

And as all of your major cities are hit by swarms of ICBM's carrying Phosgene, Sarin, Chlorine, and Mustard gas :)

M.A.D.

None of those nations have the economic power of China, or the economic power that I will have in 10 years (our economies are growing at breakneck speed, and ours will cap at a much higher level than yours). Also, if you guys attack an SCT member, you will most likely have the rest of the SCT getting pissed at you. And we have ICBM's laden with nukes and shit (well, Pakistan doesnt, but our allies do, and if Pakistans economy is shifted into Total War we could produce thousands of ICBM's).

It would most likely go down like the Soviet Invasion of Afghanistan; the world funding rebels to try and kick out the invaders.

ooc
I guess we will see what happens won't we. Invade Central Asia and I am pretty sure you can count on a Russian reaction, and with that, an American reaction.

ooc
I guess we will see what happens won't we. Invade Central Asia and I am pretty sure you can count on a Russian reaction, and with that, an American reaction.

OOC:

Russia I can deal with, it's you I'm afraid of :D

Of course, that's only until I develop my peaceful nuclear program, get to tech level 7.5, and raise my Million-man army to expert level (instead of just Highly Trained like it is now).

Unfortunatly for you, GB, in E20 Amerika isn't going to be the worlds only superpower, like it is in RL.

OOC: Invade the CAR or Kasgaria and Scandinavia will react as if Germany had invaded Poland. We've been allies for a long time now, and they hold a lot of my oil.

IC: The Scandic Union is proposing that the Turkic alliance, the SU, Poland and Ukraine all join in an economic pact and an alliance. The SU, Poland and the Ukraine already have an alliance and an economic bloc while the Turkics have there own. The Turkics are allied to the Ukrainians and also allied to the SU, so what we are proposing is just joining all these seperate friendships into one.

Also, the SU is suppling the Turkic alliance, the Ukrainians and the Poles with modern SAM's, AA missiles and AT missiles to equip their forces with.

OOC:

Russia I can deal with, it's you I'm afraid of :D

Of course, that's only until I develop my peaceful nuclear program, get to tech level 7.5, and raise my Million-man army to expert level (instead of just Highly Trained like it is now).

Unfortunatly for you, GB, in E20 Amerika isn't going to be the worlds only superpower, like it is in RL.

we will see....

OOC: Invade the CAR or Kasgaria and Scandinavia will react as if Germany had invaded Poland. We've been allies for a long time now, and they hold a lot of my oil.

Invade either of those and just to spite you I will turn every one of my garrisons into 2 infantry divisions and use my million man army to rape yours.

Not to mention my superior airforce and navy. Not to mention the fact that the SCT probably wouldn't help you, considering they said they wouldn't help your random mobilization.

Oh man, I'm so excited :)

Niegeria would help out da Germans. >>

Hey, we can...uh...We'll...Er....We'll give you a sunburn or something.

Well, we have economic power eventually. Plus we're strategically placed on the African coast. We can disrupt trade. >>

Niegeria would help out da Germans. >>

Hey, we can...uh...We'll...Er....We'll give you a sunburn or something.

Well, we have economic power eventually. Plus we're strategically placed on the African coast. We can disrupt trade. >>

I do sunburn really easily...

BTW, the Arabs should be working on creating a new constitution. Umm, how do you all want to do it? Have LR be Oman, GB, Baghdad, me the Rashidis, Safehaven2 the Saudis, someone else Jordan and West Arabia, and someone else be the random other entities? I think that would be the way to go.

What would it take to peacefully annex another country, i.e. how much investment? Say, a small African country?

it helps if they had a common culture with you--similar to my quiet "union" with new zealand

Negotiations in the Balkans on their entry to the ESA are about to finalise, proposal streams down to:

-Yugoslavia & Albania & Kosovo agree to participate in the ESA space program:
Yugoslavia= 4 points
Albania= 3 points

-Both nations recieve commercial benefits of the space program

-Millitary and intelligence benefits must be cleared with UK, France and Germany

-As incentive France offers to forget all outstanding debt payments.

Other ESA nations are of course permitted to express their comments on this.
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Also the French Government contacts the Lowland states and offers them a final version of a secret treaty to gurantee their independance.

They are also asked of the possibility of them participating more in the ESA activities.
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Messages are sent to all participants in the planned cultural exchange program and are informed that the program is expected to proceed despite problems in Northern Europe.

The plan is to hold a "tour" of Europe by leading artists, novelists, musicians from each country aswell as traditional music, food and publications. The tour will kick off from Paris and will travel to the major and minor (like Vienna and such) capitals of Europe throughout the following year.
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OOC: Did the Balkans accept my advisors? and did Africa?

OOC: Africa? What now....

IC: Yugoslavia and Albania, glad someone is noticing them without pointing a gun, approve the ESA benefits. They also make a few hints about possible entry into the EEC (which isn't Military so that wouldn't matter).

OOC2: How do Communications Satellites work? I thought it was one system per country... otherwise, shouldn't Britain be sharing its system with us?

Also Germany has no qualms with becoming closer with the Balkans states.

OOC: If anyone invades Turkey, I'll join the massive bandwagon preventing it. While Turkey is a scary country to have up north, India is worse. If only Canada and Turkey would switch places.

OOC: If anyone invades Turkey, I'll join the massive bandwagon preventing it. While Turkey is a scary country to have up north, India is worse. If only Canada and Turkey would switch places.

Children, children PLEASE!!!

Enough is enough! The SCT is not going to invade CAR, Kashgaria or whatever random country you decide to name.
In fact nobody is going to invade anybody!

I mean bloody hell, all we did was offer them invitations and now people are talking about MAD.

(OOC: Watch what we'll do if you ever get them to join)

(OOC: Watch what we'll do if you ever get them to join)

OOC: And what is that supposed to mean?

Parthini']OOC: Africa? What now....

IC: Yugoslavia and Albania, glad someone is noticing them without pointing a gun, approve the ESA benefits. They also make a few hints about possible entry into the EEC (which isn't Military so that wouldn't matter).

OOC2: How do Communications Satellites work? I thought it was one system per country... otherwise, shouldn't Britain be sharing its system with us?

Also Germany has no qualms with becoming closer with the Balkans states.

I will clarify that soon... it is a bit vague I admit

What would it take to peacefully annex another country, i.e. how much investment? Say, a small African country?

This could get interesting. Two pan-African movements battling it out for control of the continent. You'd better hurry up before Malkyer gets back, though. Your nation's right smack in the center of his sphere of influence.

This could get interesting. Two pan-African movements battling it out for control of the continent. You'd better hurry up before Malkyer gets back, though. Your nation's right smack in the center of his sphere of influence.

Yup. Give me one or two years to get my economy sorted...I really want Niger, to the north. They have some resources I'll be needing within a decade or so...

Niegeria has begun providing money for social services in both Niger and Benin, citing a wish to see their nieghbors improve their own countries and foster closer relationships. (See 1956 build.)

I offered "Political advisers" to Northwest Africa (Senegal, Guinea, Mali and Burkina Faso)

I offered "Political advisers" to Northwest Africa (Senegal, Guinea, Mali and Burkina Faso)

Senegal wants specifics on this (TG me what you have in mind)

OOC: I could see Africa ending up all factionalized, with S. Africa dominating the South, the Arab League powerful up north, and Nigeria leading the central areas. Pan-Africanism would also be a good thing to get started now, when all the nations are young and small.

OOC: Not to be a bother (or a hypocrite. I do it myself) but can we leave the speculating and threats to the OOC thread and Chatzy?

Also, do you want me to roleplay the Arabian Discussions or should we do it separately. Cuz I'll do it myself...

What ME countries does the Ba'th/Arab Socialist parties control?

Also, the UR will begin publically pressuring old Selassie of Ethiopia away from total monarchy, asking for either an elected parliament (right wing) or Politburo (left wing), depending on his choice of policies. After all, he's over 60, which is already near the life expectancy in most poor African nations, and has no successors or plans for the future of the Ethiopian government. I don't think the Egyptian Army would be too happy struggling through the Ethiopian wilderness to put down a civil war just because some old geezer didn't feel like planning ahead. (Leave out the old geezer part. I don't need rastafari terrorists blowing up the sphinx :( )

What ME countries does the Ba'th/Arab Socialist parties control?

Also, the UR will begin publically pressuring old Selassie of Ethiopia away from total monarchy, asking for either an elected parliament (right wing) or Politburo (left wing), depending on his choice of policies. After all, he's over 60, which is already near the life expectancy in most poor African nations, and has no successors or plans for the future of the Ethiopian government. I don't think the Egyptian Army would be too happy struggling through the Ethiopian wilderness to put down a civil war just because some old geezer didn't feel like planning ahead. (Leave out the old geezer part. I don't need rastafari terrorists blowing up the sphinx :( )

After years of good relations with Egypt, he will agree to form a modified constitutional monarchy (essentially Selassie is President for Life but retains his title). One of his many daughters or sons will be appointed successor (the best educated one with a military record.. I have no idea about names, but I do know the family still exists in real life).

France offers the following Millitary assistance (secretly) as a sign of goodwill and continued cooperation, with a slight warning of the potential repeat of history by neighbors from the South and West:

Yugoslavian Millitary Modernisation Program:

Year 1956:
2 Elite Pilots (4 points)
2 Mirage IV Fighters (6 points)

Year 1957:
1 Infantry Corps (5 points)
1 Armored Divison (AMX-30) (5 points)

Year 1958:
either a Missile Cruiser (10 points) or a Nuclear Attack Submarine (5 points)

Total= 25-30 points

To Albania and Kosovo:
Year 1956:
3 Mountain Brigades <Elite> (8 points)

Year 1957:
1 Flak Group (3 points)
1 Destroyer Squadren (5 point)

Total= 16 points

It is further noted to Albania and Kosovo that a French airbase is much beneficial to the defence of the area. Also the French Diplomatic mission offers advice for the two nations to try towork out a mutual protection pact with each other while imroving economic relations with Bulgaria and Romania (Maybe form an economic pact).
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French Diplomatic Missions in the african states we have been dealing with (formerly known as northwest Africa) are sponsering Pan-African groups that are calling for the Creation of economic ties (economic pacts) between each other, dubbing the moves as the step forward for West Africa.

Also French Diplomats look to develop relations with Liberia, Ghana and Togo by holding several meetings with their leaders and discussing issues for the future of West Africa.

France also put forward a proposal for their friends in Mali, Burkina Faso and Cote d' Ivoire to pay for Level 4 social Services in 1957 as aid. An aid package is presented to Senegal and Guinea of 5 points each.
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French Diplomats meet with representatives from the Belgian government where they are advised to take action in the Congo, quietly reminding them of the Portugese dilemma. A program of Full integration and economic improvement is proposed.

As incentive the government offers to donate 14 points to the colonial government to show the locals that things are improving.

Secretly, the French also offer the services of its "Political advisors" to "observe" the region and "maintain its stability".
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OOC: Haile Selassie's RL successor was his son, Amha Selassie, who held several governor's posts in various Ethiopian provinces as well as leading the fight against the Italian occupation in 1941. He seems to be the most probable candidate.

The German Empire has allocated 12 points to the Arab League (3 of which are to pay for the base in Syria), 5 points to Arabia for the acquisition of oil, and 10 points to Kurdistan to improve relations.

While the rest of the world watches closely to see whether Northern Europe will erupt, Portugal continues in anarchy.

After Salazar's assassination, his Generals and Politicians began to fight for succession. Portugal has practically been divided up amonst warlords and gangs, headed by Generals and old Mayors and governors.

A year later, no clear side has come any further to victory. However, while no outright fighting, other than some gang-wars and skirmishes, has occurred. However, several Generals begin to make alliances and begin to attempt to oust others. Hundreds die weekly in skirmishes. Portugal is in anarchy.

Parthini']While the rest of the world watches closely to see whether Northern Europe will erupt, Portugal continues in anarchy.

After Salazar's assassination, his Generals and Politicians began to fight for succession. Portugal has practically been divided up amonst warlords and gangs, headed by Generals and old Mayors and governors.

A year later, no clear side has come any further to victory. However, while no outright fighting, other than some gang-wars and skirmishes, has occurred. However, several Generals begin to make alliances and begin to attempt to oust others. Hundreds die weekly in skirmishes. Portugal is in anarchy.

Korea announces that any and all Portuguese citizens who wish asylum in Korea and Vladivostok can have it. Korean Airlines is willing to provide transportation.

Japan will offer the same deal as Korea has.

Parthini']While the rest of the world watches closely to see whether Northern Europe will erupt, Portugal continues in anarchy.

After Salazar's assassination, his Generals and Politicians began to fight for succession. Portugal has practically been divided up amonst warlords and gangs, headed by Generals and old Mayors and governors.

A year later, no clear side has come any further to victory. However, while no outright fighting, other than some gang-wars and skirmishes, has occurred. However, several Generals begin to make alliances and begin to attempt to oust others. Hundreds die weekly in skirmishes. Portugal is in anarchy.

US Marines and airborne troops take control over the Azores Islands (the US still has a base there) and all militia type groups and military forces are disarmed (forcably if needed). The US also gives the competing groups in Portugal until the end of the year to reach a cease fire and form a government or the US will intervene even if the UN doesn't.

Spain is also consulted (in regards to intervention) as well as the UK (the traditional Portuguese Ally).

(ooc technically the UN can't intervene in a civil war situation except to try and mediate and technically the US is invading, but probably public opinion wouldn't be too upset about that because of the extent of the tragedy so far)

The French Delegate passes a discreet note to the US delegate indicating the preferance of Local Iberian troops in Portugal rather than what could be seen as a reminder of an old conflict.

A similar note is presented to the Spanish delegate indicating Iberian Solidarity to restore stability in its neighbor is to be much welcomed.
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The French Delegate offers to aid any effort (Spanish or otherwise) in mediating in the unfortunate conflict in Portugal.

The French Delegate passes a discreet note to the US delegate indicating the preferance of Local Iberian troops in Portugal rather than what could be seen as a reminder of an old conflict.

A similar note is presented to the Spanish delegate indicating Iberian Solidarity to restore stability in its neighbor is to be much welcomed.
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The French Delegate offers to aid any effort (Spanish or otherwise) in mediating in the unfortunate conflict in Portugal.

France is informed that the US is ok with that, but points out that the Portuguese warlords don't need to know that

Any Portuguese nationals leaving East Timor are reminded that they are likely safer staying put and that Australia is more than willing to support their needs.

Spain is also consulted (in regards to intervention) as well as the UK (the traditional Portuguese Ally).

Britain will gladly support an intervention in Portugal in order to restore peace and bring happiness to the country. British troops are ready to assist any US forces in the event of a peacekeping operation.

The Government of Brazil would like to express their opinion on the situation.

We feel that it would be better if Brazilian troops would be the first to go into the Portuguese mainland. Due to the fact that our cultural and social ties are much greater that that of other nations, we believe that the Portuguese people would be much more willing to cooperate with Brazilian troops rather than others to bring down these warlords. However, Brazil thanks America for intervening and states that intervention was needed.

The Government of Brazil would like to express their opinion on the situation.

We feel that it would be better if Brazilian troops would be the first to go into the Portuguese mainland. Due to the fact that our cultural and social ties are much greater that that of other nations, we believe that the Portuguese people would be much more willing to cooperate with Brazilian troops rather than others to bring down these warlords. However, Brazil thanks America for intervening and states that intervention was needed.

Korea suggests, perhaps the Brazilians and the US could work together? It may produce more concrete results.

The Government of Brazil would like to express their opinion on the situation.

We feel that it would be better if Brazilian troops would be the first to go into the Portuguese mainland. Due to the fact that our cultural and social ties are much greater that that of other nations, we believe that the Portuguese people would be much more willing to cooperate with Brazilian troops rather than others to bring down these warlords. However, Brazil thanks America for intervening and states that intervention was needed.

The US will support that whole heartedly, and will provide air and sealift for Brazil

The French quietly notes that the situation in Portugal should be handled with the least amount of direct intervention as possible, this is in order for the Portugese Public Opinion not to think of the action as an invasion causing negetive effects in the long run.
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OOC: Sure would like a ruling on:
-Airbase in Albania
-Political advisors to Africa
-Aid to Africa (pay Level IV social services)
-Lowlands acceptance or rejectance of secret treaty
-The Lowlands interest in joining the ESA

The French quietly notes that the situation in Portugal should be handled with the least amount of direct intervention as possible, this is in order for the Portugese Public Opinion not to think of the action as an invasion causing negetive effects in the long run.
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OOC: Sure would like a ruling on:
-Airbase in Albania
-Political advisors to Africa
-Aid to Africa (pay Level IV social services)
-Lowlands acceptance or rejectance of secret treaty
-The Lowlands interest in joining the ESA

Meh, I thought I said yes to this already...

Albania is cool with it. Yugoslavia and Albania also inquire to France about the possibility of joining the EEC.

The Africans accept the advisors but remind the French that Africa is African now.

The Africans accept the aid whole heartedly.

The Lowlands accept the treaty and agree to join the ESA, pledging 3 points a year each.

OOC: Now that that's done with, with the massive energy stuff coming soon, we need to figure out who is doing what NPC builds and which NPC's need someone to do their builds.

IC: The Arabian discussions come to a deadlock. The cheif of the Rashidis calls for a confederation of Arab states to include Oman, Yemen, Kuwait, Western and Eastern Arabia, Jordan and Baghdad. He also calls for a pardon of the Saudis so that they can be a part of the Grand Arab Plan.

However, there is a good deal of resistance from the south. Oman is totally against it and on the brink of leaving the conference. The only supporters he has at the moment are the Saudis and a few members from Jordan and Baghdad.

The Rashidi leader rethinks his plan.

OOC2: Basically, I need to know if you guys want me to roleplay the Arabs myself or if you would rather it be RPed out with everyone. If I don't get a reply, I'll just RP it out myself.

OOC: Just a note, the Rashidi's number very little now, tens of thousands of Rashidi supporters died over the Arabian war and the civil war after it and all thats been happening there and Saudi Arabia only has 2.5 million people, of course the Saud's are pretty depleted to. Come to think of it, theirs probaly a huge shortage of working age men period in the country, many of which are probaly wounded in one way or another.

As far as the Rping, I don't have a problem with you doing it if the other mods agree.

4 points have been given to the Phillipines and Burma for their ship building and RE

OOC: No problems here, it's probably the easiest way to do it.

The Imperial Korean Air Force sends a polite business letter to the Canadian Government asking if they could purchase a unit of Avro Arrow jet fighters from Avro Canada for IKAF service.

bumpers

The Imperial Korean Air Force sends a polite business letter to the Canadian Government asking if they could purchase a unit of Avro Arrow jet fighters from Avro Canada for IKAF service.

OOC: Forgot I was mod for a sec..

IC: The Canadian Government approves and begins construction of the unit.

OOC: I rolled for all of the nations, with pretty low for all but Jordan and Baghdad. I figured Western Arabia wouldn't join unless Oman or Jordan joined so only Baghdad joined.

IC: In Arabia, the Rashidi's plan did go as he desired. He called for a Second Pan-Arab Nation to encompass the entire peninsula up to the Tigris and Euphrates. Unfortunately his plan flopped, as only the Saudis and the Sultan of Baghdad agreed. Oman, proud of its independance left the conference early, as did his puppet, Western Arabia. Yemen and Kuwait, both Commonwealth Members, left as soon as the talks broke down. Jordan, wishing great things for Pan-Arabism, but not wishing to take any risks as they recieve vast financial support from abroad, basically told the Rashidi, "Maybe later."

Baghdad, however, stayed.

With Pakistan's relative unstability and Scandic presence to the north and east of him, the Sultan figures joining with another Arab will give him more safety, especially if it means better relations with the Germans.

So, it was done. The Second Pan-Arab movement seemed to be only a meagre attempt. While it seemed the First attempt was exploding before his eyes, the second died before it even began. No. He must look with a positive eye. Yes, they will see the sucess of the Second Movement and will flock to it!
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The New Arabian Federation was formed with the treaty of Riyadh. The Federation is to consist of many different states, including Saudi land, Rashidi Land and the Sultan of Baghdad's land. Each state will conduct its own domestic affairs. However, the militaries will be integrated and trade and diplomatic affairs will be conducted by the new Arab Parliament. The Parliament will act much like the British Parliament electing the Basha to act as President and electing a Grand Emir to act as Prime Minister. The Parliament will consist of two houses. One will be elected directly from the people. The other will consist of Emirs, Sultans, Sheikhs, and Religous leaders.

First elected as Basha was Mohammad Ibn Talal, the Chief of the Rashidis. Grand Emir is Rashid Ali al-Kaylani of Iraq.

The Capital is to stay in Riyadh for simplicity, although ideas for construction of a new one have been tossed around.

In the interests of mutual defense, Syria offers to fund an Air Defense Radar program for all members of the Arab League, except the United Republics which would, due to its size, be asked to fund itself. However, all other members (Oman, Yemen, Morocco, both Arabias, Kuwait, Baghdad, Basra, and Algeria) would be covered. Every nation would have its own facilities, with perhaps joint centers in different locations. A center for North Africa (Perhaps Algiers), a center for the Middle East (perhaps Kuwait City), and a combined command center (Tripoli).

(OOC: I'd assume they'd be eager to join, as they get their own defense paid for by another nation. 3.25 points will be budgeted for 1957. I'll cross-post this to the AL thread EDIT: Didn't see above, but the offer still applies)

They all agree.

OOC: Remember, Baghdad and Saudi Arabia merged.

OOC: You posted while I was doing that (had to find all the populations), but the cost is still the same.

Parthini']They all agree.

OOC: Remember, Baghdad and Saudi Arabia merged.

what now?

mmm. Me thinks the maps need an update

French Government offers the Ivory coast a loan of 5 points repayable by 1 point every 2 years for 12 years as a sign of goodwill.

An aid package is also approved to humanitarian groups working in Portugal (5 points)

Ivory Coast accepts the offer.

As do the Portuguese... who continue to fight.

Parthini']Ivory Coast accepts the offer.

As do the Portuguese... who continue to fight.

The US government talks to the Brazilians and British. Essentially the Americans want to give the Portuguese until March 1, 1957 to reach a cease fire. If no action, then the US is prepared along with Brazilians and British to intervene, occupy the country, disarm the armed groups and prepare the nations for elections and return to self government.

The US also seizes all Portuguese assets in US territory and calls on other nations to do the same.

Parthini']The nations of Central America (Guatemala, El Salvador, Honduras, Nicaragua, Costa Rica) have formed the Central American Economic Alliance to act as a pool of economic interest to help eachother prosper.

OOC: Basically, its a way for me to simplify builds. And it makes sense considering all the other large multinational alliances in the hemisphere.

ooc
I already handle their builds.. my suggestion, they start talking to Cuba about a Caribbean Economic Union.

Parthini']

As do the Portuguese... who continue to fight.

the US places a resolution before the Security Council calling for intervention into Portugal by the US, UK, and Brazil if the factions in that civil war do not agree to have a cease fire and actually put one in place by March 1.

US and British forces would disarm factions that resist or continue fighting, and then Brazil would take over Portugal as a UN Mandate until order and peace is restored and an elected government put in place.

Meanwhile, the US Navy concentrates 6 helicopter carriers, 2 battleships, 2 carrier battlegroups, 2 amphibious groups, the 2nd Marine Division, 82nd Airborne Division, 101st Airborne Division, and 2nd Infantry Division as well as the 7th Army HQ at ports and airfields along the US East Coast and Iceland.

2 Transport groups are sent to Brazil to be in place to load their troops. This information is not hidden from the news media.

The Central American nations, fearing economic takeover from both behemoths, North and South, begin talks with Cuba about creation of a Caribbean Economic pact of some sort to protect the economic interests of the smaller nations of the hemisphere.

It's time for Nassar to do some political ass-kissing:

The UR begins speaking with Italy about a mutual defense pact, as it's African colonies are practically open doors straight to the Sudanese/Egyptian borders. Italy won't be required to help the UR fight (who would join a military alliance with me? :p ) but it would concern issues such as Egyptian troops moving into Libyan/Somali Desert to intercept enemy forces and tighter border security (don't forget we're entering the age of terrorism!)

Also, nationalism in the Belgian Congo sprung up in the early 50's. The two main factions were to create an independent Congo state (more common in the north) and to split the congo into multiple tribal nations (more common in west and south). They should also be more inspired in E20 since I (and probably South Africa) would be more than happy to support them. The main organizations are ABAKO (more radical, want immediate independence) and the MNC (the left-wing, more moderate group).

If we go with the rise of nationalism in the Congo, UR intel agents will be dispatched to stir up more nationalist feelings and weaken Belgian control over the colony.

With the Portuguese failing to respond, the US 2nd Fleet (4 carrier battlegroups plus 6 helicopter carriers, various cruisers and destroyers, 2 battleships, and numerous transports) begins steaming across the Atlantic to the final assembly point in the Irish Sea to link up with British forces. Aboard the amphibious ships are the assault elements of the 2nd Marine Division (2 marine light infantry brigades, 1 mechanized marine brigade) and 1 brigade of the 101st Airborne Division (1 airborne light infantry brigade) plus 3 units of helicopters (Army and Marine).

The 9th Air Force stages to the Azores, along with 2 wings of Tankers as well, while transport aircraft are assembled at Pope AFB to carry the 82nd Airborne Division (3 airborne light infantry brigades). Transports begin loading the 2nd Infantry Division in Iceland, and headquarters and support elements at Norfolk, Savannah and Charleston.

http://geo.ya.com/travelimages/portugal-map.jpg

http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/po.html

Intervention in Portugal March 5, 1957

Phase 1
Massive fly over by US and British carrier aircraft and USAF and RAF aircraft operating from Britain and the Azores. Equipped with outdated F84 fighter bombers, the Portuguese Air Force (what is actually operational) decides to stay on the ground.

Phase 2
American paratroopers of the 82nd Airborne Division, along with special operations troops from the British SAS and US 75th Rangers parachute into Portugal. A brigade each of the 82nd seizes the major civilian airfields at Porto, Faro and Lisbon (with their 3,000 + meter runways). Each brigade is assisted by special teams of US or British special operations troops who come in via commercial flights and seize the control towers. Some fighting occurs as Portuguese factional forces holding the airports put up some resistance but these troops (battalion sized) are overwhelmed and routed. American paratroopers suffer less then 500 casualties (including jump accidents) during this part of the operation, along a few dozen special operations troops who are wounded or killed. The airborne drop is the first major parachute drop since the Third Great War and the first time the C130 is used in combat.

Phase 3
Intimidated by the massive fleet offshore, and with most Portuguese Naval craft and ships inoperative because of lack of funds, there is no opposition to the Allied fleets at sea. The British make their landing at Porto, with the airborne troops coming ashore by helicopter while the Royal Marines land on a beach nearby. A few Portuguese troops resist, but most quickly surrender or retreat in disarray. A similar scene occurs at Faro, where the US 1/75th Ranger Regiment is paradropped followed quickly after by the helicopters carrying ashore the 1st Brigade/101st Airborne Division.

At Lisbon, the entire 2nd Marine Division comes ashore via LVT and helicopter, and in places they face no resistance, while in others fierce resistance is found. 2 brigades worth of Portuguese troops from 2 different factions fight the Marines, and the heaviest fighting occurs near the former Presidential Palace. The USS New Jersey fires its guns for the first time since the Third Great War and 16 inch shells destroy much of the palace and most of the troops defending it. The other serious fighting occurs at the port, and the heavy civilian population in the area prevents the Americans from using air or naval gun fire support for the most part. The Marines of the 2nd and 6th Marine Regiments fight a 12 hour building to building fight, only finally securing the port after the Portuguese run out of ammunition and flee the area.

In all the Americans suffer 1,000 casualties while the British suffer 200 in the complex operation. However, by the end of March 5, Porte, Faro and Lisbon have been secured and transport shipping and aircraft are bringing in the US 2nd Infantry Division, remainder of the 101st Airborne Division, and the British Ghurkha Brigade.

Phase 4
Over the next week, 2 more British mechanized divisions arrive, as do 2 Brazilian divisions, and the American and British troops hunt down and destroy any Portuguese armed groups that resist, while Brazilian troops take over the job of occupation.

Phase 5
Within a month, the last Portuguese major armed groups have either been destroyed or forced to surrender.

Most US forces return home by the end of April, but the Americans leave the 11th Aviation Group, 10th Special Forces Group and bring in the 3rd Armored Cavalry Regiment to provide support to the Brazilians who have 2 infantry divisions providing occupation forces, plus British troops that remain.

Final cost is 1800 American, 400 British and 500 Brazilian casualties and a known figure of 20,000 Portuguese military casualties plus 100,000 captured, and a thankfully low civilian casualty figure of 5,000.

However, some Portuguese factional forces are merely in hiding, waiting for an opportunity.

May 1st- June 31st, 1957

Paris, France.

Thousands of Parisians flock to the public squares, gallaries and theaters where artists, performers, writers, musicians, cuisine, art and friendship is on display from all over Europe. At the museams, the many schools of both Modern and classic art can be seen, at the motion picture theaters, the works of Europe's finest directors can be watched with French translation, at the public squares, dishes from all over the continent can be sampled along with the entertainment of the street performers and at local hotels and assmblies many works of litrature can be found.

It was as all of Europe had come to the city, even those who weren't officially part of the program, although the spirit of coperatin was high, as expected several problems aros when a few radicals held protests on several political issues, thankfully due to the increased prescence of the police, these went as peacefully as it may be hoped.

Following the end of the month the program shall head over to another capital (London).
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The government of France would like to privately discuss with the government of Belgium over the possibility of arranging for the transfer of Congo over to French administration (buy it).

The Belgian Government is adamantly against handing over the Congo. They saw what happened to Portugal when it lost its empire.

major development
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10901449#post10901449

Parthini']The Belgian Government is adamantly against handing over the Congo. They saw what happened to Portugal when it lost its empire.

Portugal was forced to give independance by the UN for nothing, We are offering points (up to 24) in exchange for the Congo to become a French colony instead of a Belgian one, We are offering the Belgian government a break from what could cause what happened in Portugal.

The United Republics begin pressuring Belgium to relinquish its control over the Congo. UR agents continue stirring up more nationalism across the Belgian Congo. 4 Elite-Trained Mountain Brigades are posted on the mountain border between Sudan and Orientale and 1 Dassault Mirage III is rebased in Sudan in case it is needed.

ooc
the player who was controlling Belgium had agreed to start preparing it for independence about a month ago. No sign of him since then though. So assume its an NPC country for now, and resistent to handing over a colony.

However, it is likely to start making some moves toward at least autonomy to get the UN off its back.

Belgian Congo (Zaire or Congo, depending on the year of the map plus Burundi, Rwanda)
Population: 13.5 million, tech level 3
No production, 6 resources (cash crops, rubber, minerals, uranium)
1944 budget: all 6 points to Belgium, which has 1 garrison unit in country that it pays for.

Belgium
Population 7.5 million, tech level 7
Production: Liege 3, Brussels 3, Antwerp 1 plus national airline, 1 international airline, 1 shipping unit, plus 6 colonial points
1944 budget: level 3 social services 3 points, civil defense 1 point, 4 garrison units 1 point, 2 expert pilots 1 point, 1 F84 jet fighter bomber unit .5 points, 1 C47 unit .25 points, 1 elite airborne brigade 1 point, 2 light ship units (5 destroyers, 20 corvettes) .5 points, remainder spent on improvements in Belgian Congo

This was as of 1944. Considering Belgian income, it would now have 1 x F100 fighter bomber unit, 1 C82 unit.

Any trouble in the Congo would bring the airborne brigade there, plus the Belgians would buy a helicopter unit and pilot the next year. They can also raise a couple of light infantry brigades affordably. Most likely they would acquire a C130 as soon as possible to replace their C82.

Portugal was forced to give independance by the UN for nothing, We are offering points (up to 24) in exchange for the Congo to become a French colony instead of a Belgian one, We are offering the Belgian government a break from what could cause what happened in Portugal.

Belgium would point out that the points offered would equal only 4 years worth of income from the Belgian Congo.

OOC: I'm trying to come up with specifics for my military, not for any in game reason, but mostly for my own amusement. I don't think this will have any in-game effects, but that's up to GB, really. Some of these items are WWII era, but I think they would all exist at this point in the timeframe. I'm doing this combined for both NPCs instead of having two of these.

IC:

The Syrian Army would like permission to use the following NPC-made vehicles in its units. Syrian companies would like to buy production rights for all vehicles marked with an asterisk (*).

DAF YA 129 (Support Truck, Dutch)*
M53/59 (Anti-Air, Czech)

Any trouble in the Congo would bring the airborne brigade there, plus the Belgians would buy a helicopter unit and pilot the next year. They can also raise a couple of light infantry brigades affordably. Most likely they would acquire a C130 as soon as possible to replace their C82.

OOC:
Belgium would actually try to fight the African powers? And how would they get their units there? South Africa could easily stop their naval units, I could take care of their aerial units, and Congo rebels (plus some of my mountain brigade units if needed) could take care of Belgian forces already inside the colony. On top of that, my troops are a lot better trained and have real combat experience.

IC:
The UR sets a timetable for the freedom of the Congo. Belgium, having already been given the chance for a peaceful liberation, is ordered to withdraw any troops they might have within the nation and allow a new Congo government to be set up.

South Africa has put forward a resolution to the UN General Assembly concerning the Belgian Congo: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10909795&postcount=636

Belgium would point out that the points offered would equal only 4 years worth of income from the Belgian Congo.

If that is the concern we would offer them an immediate 10 points, in addition to 6 points for 20 years to come.

OOC:
Belgium would actually try to fight the African powers? And how would they get their units there? South Africa could easily stop their naval units, I could take care of their aerial units, and Congo rebels (plus some of my mountain brigade units if needed) could take care of Belgian forces already inside the colony. On top of that, my troops are a lot better trained and have real combat experience.

IC:
The UR sets a timetable for the freedom of the Congo. Belgium, having already been given the chance for a peaceful liberation, is ordered to withdraw any troops they might have within the nation and allow a new Congo government to be set up.

ooc
The Belgians are not without allies

Besides, they fought against longer odds in both the Second and Third Great Wars, so its appropriate that they would fight in this case if forced. In addition, the logistics of fighting in Belgian Africa are rather impressively difficult

If that is the concern we would offer them an immediate 10 points, in addition to 6 points for 20 years to come.

ooc
Sigh... Belgium finally has something to do and the player is missing.

IC
Belgium will delay to see how things go in the UN first.

The French attempt to contact modrate Congloese leaders to gather their support for the alternative plan proposed in the UN. While Belgium is gently pressured to accept, making another offer extending the time for payment to 25 years.

The French attempt to contact modrate Congloese leaders to gather their support for the alternative plan proposed in the UN. While Belgium is gently pressured to accept, making another offer extending the time for payment to 25 years.

Belgium asks the UN to repeat the proposal (ooc, because its still stalling but intelligence would indicate its likely to consider it seriously this time)

The United States offers sufficient aid to industralize the Belgain Congo (4 production centers, 96 points) if the Belgian government sets in place a 10 year plan for independence.

ooc
I would think the Belgians would go for this, especially in conjuction with the other pressure being placed on it. ..need ruling by Sharina

Belgium asks the UN to repeat the proposal (ooc, because its still stalling but intelligence would indicate its likely to consider it seriously this time)

erm this is a French seperate proposal; immediate 15 points to the Belgian Government with 6 points for 25 years (to do with as they please) for the transfer of the Congo to French Administration in order to intiate reforms and industrlisation. The industrlisation of the Congo will be handled directly by the French Government.

erm this is a French seperate proposal; immediate 15 points to the Belgian Government with 6 points for 25 years (to do with as they please) for the transfer of the Congo to French Administration in order to intiate reforms and industrlisation. The industrlisation of the Congo will be handled directly by the French Government.

Nigeria respectfully points out that Africa has had enough European meddling and believes that this proposal would only serve to make the Congo a French client state.

Nigeria respectfully points out that Africa has had enough European meddling and believes that this proposal would only serve to make the Congo a French client state.

OOC: The offer is not known to Nigeria and is to the Belgian government, besides France is helping a lot of African nations west of you and you didn't mind.

OOC: The offer is not known to Nigeria and is to the Belgian government, besides France is helping a lot of African nations west of you and you didn't mind.

OOC: How hard would it be to find out that the French government is offering quite a bit of money to the Belgians? You didn't put secret anywhere.

ooc
lets hold off until Sharina rules on what the Belgians have to say..

remember, the Belgians got invaded by the French twice (2nd and 3rd Great War), and are stubborn, but probably feeling the pressure in a serious way now.

They have several options at this point
1. Take the US deal
2. Take the French deal
3. Muddle along themselves and stall
4. Ignore the UN pressure and try to hang on to the Belgian Congo
5. Take the Nigerian and or South African deal

OOC: How hard would it be to find out that the French government is offering quite a bit of money to the Belgians? You didn't put secret anywhere.

OOC: Ah, a common error of mine, an error which almost caused a war between Romania (when I was in charge of it) and Soviet Russia, just because I wanted to buy American Designs. But I am sure I put "privately" in the begining of my negotiations, I don't suppose that would suffice.

Anyway, Belgium is part of the EEC and ESA that money can be for anything, In addition I find it unlikely that Nigeria has operatives in Brussels.
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A suggestion is put forward to the Americans, that both deals (French and American) are merged into one, naturally France will also help the Congolese Industralise (We'll build their shipping). What we ask that the independance plan be extended one more year.

The United States offers sufficient aid to industralize the Belgain Congo (4 production centers, 96 points) if the Belgian government sets in place a 10 year plan for independence.

ooc
I would think the Belgians would go for this, especially in conjuction with the other pressure being placed on it. ..need ruling by Sharina

My ruling is this (points explained below)...

1. The Belgian Congo has rising national sentiment owing to covert support of nationalist groups.

2. The Congo-ians (or is it Congolese?) realize the American deal would probably be the best, given that America has done quite a lot for Africa in the last 20 years, as well as the UK (the whole "Africa Industrialization" project).

3. Belgium stands to lose quite a bit if it doesn't accept the deals offered it. For instance, embargoes or other various "pressures" can be implemented aganist Belgium until it caves in- next year, 5 years, 10 years, but it *will* happen regardless. The embargoes and "other pressures" would hurt the Belgian commerce, technology development, and economy overall.

4. Factoring all these in, I believe the Belgians would realize that holding onto the Congo would become more problematic than the benefits, because the Belgians would have to deal with constant riots and revolt if it holds onto the Congo (see point #1 above) and worry about souring relations with some of the premier nations in the world (USA, UK, etc.). What's more, they will have a hard time trying to defend Congo from, say, South Africa or the United Republics or other African nations because they would have to ship their troops from Belgium to the Congo which has its own set of problems. The shipment of troops could be interfered with by UK, France, Germany, Italy, etc.


Therefore, I believe that the Belgians will have to let the Congo go mainly because otherwise they would have to deal with rebellion, weak military stand-point, and possibility of alienating potential allies (when Belgium needs them the most) as well as blockades or embargoes or such. However, Belgium will demand some kind of reparations or payment for the loss of the Congo. I believe that if the US, France, South Africa, the UK, etc. gave Belgium a few payment "points" in terms of money (probably around 10 points or so in game terms) then Belgium will take it. They will have to realize that demanding any more like 20, 30, 50 points would be a bad idea (the whole alienating thing). They also realize that 10 points (or even 15) worth of payment would be better than nothing.

In addition...

A combined French and American aid package wouldn't be a bad idea as long as France doesn't try anything imperialist or such otherwise Congo-ian (or Congolese?) rebellions will continue.

Basically if the USA does the 4 production centers for Congo, and France provides social services (Level 4 if France desires), then that will be good enough for the Congo at least until it can support its own social services and have sufficient "points" to develop other stuff on its own (like its own factories or garrison units or such).

Uhh.. 10 points?

No, I fought the Belgians and I know that it takes a lot of money or Siberian Labor Camps to get them to agree.

They've also seen what happens when colonies are taken. Either a massive civil war erupts and you get occupied, or you become a boring non-essential state that everyone looks over.

If they give it up, they're gonna demand a LOT of compensation.

And who says the Netherlands or Germany, for that matter, won't help the Belgians. Silence doesn't mean consent.

Parthini']Uhh.. 10 points?

No, I fought the Belgians and I know that it takes a lot of money or Siberian Labor Camps to get them to agree.

They've also seen what happens when colonies are taken. Either a massive civil war erupts and you get occupied, or you become a boring non-essential state that everyone looks over.

If they give it up, they're gonna demand a LOT of compensation.

And who says the Netherlands or Germany, for that matter, won't help the Belgians. Silence doesn't mean consent.

ooc
they are getting a lot of compensation. First, 10 points, plus once the industry is built, they will get the income from that for ten years, plus the income already generated by some of the resources. Without having to pay for the investment. That works out to be approximately 10 points a year for 9 years on top of the 10 points (100 overall), which is an excellent deal

The US sends elements of the 3rd Special Forces Group to Liberia and the Belgian Congo to provide trainers for improving the Liberian Army and creating a Congolese Army.

It quickly becomes apparent in the Belgian Congo that without a strong central government, the entire country could fall apart into tribalism. This is especially apparent in the Rwanda, Burundi and Shava regions, where tribalism or seperatism is rife.

http://congo.africa-atlas.com/pictures/congo-map.gif

It also becomes apparent that the key to the economic future is the Congo River

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Congo_River

economic aid is concentrated at Kinshasha (Leopoldville), Lumbambashi (Elizabethville), Kananga, and Kisangani (Stanleyville)

Additional projects are considered including future economic aid projects in Rwanda, Burundi and hydroelectric projects along the Congo River

another useful source
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kisangani

However, Belgium will demand some kind of reparations or payment for the loss of the Congo.

OOC:
Perhaps Belgium intel hasn't noticed the Republican Army sitting on the Congo's border...

IC:
The UR wonders which approach we will be taken - splitting the country into semi-united tribal nations or forming a single Congo state?

Also, if the US needs assistance, the Republican Military has plenty of veteran elite units that could aid in the training of the new Congo army.

German ship builders offer to construct a merchant fleet for the new Congolese Nation as well as facilities to construct a major port (a production center).

The French government prepares to pay for Level IV social services to the area, (6.75 points), The French government also offers the services of its infrastructure and tourisim companies.

Infrastructure Offer:
2.70 points for 3 years, in exchange for 1 point for 8 years starting 1970.

Tourisim Offer:
4 points, in exchange for 1 point for 4 years starting 1970.
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To Belgium the Following compensation is offered:

6 points for 15 years, starting 1960

Parthini']German ship builders offer to construct a merchant fleet for the new Congolese Nation as well as facilities to construct a major port (a production center).

ooc
no way that the Belgian Congo can have a quick merchant fleet, they are about as far from being a sea faring nation as it gets... Ghana maybe, Nigeria sure. Both nations have strong fishing traditions. But the Congolese are more of a river people. A couple of merchant shipping units for river traffic to start with would be reasonable, but thats about it. Look at the geography... the coast line, what little there is, consists of a swamp. The principal port is on the Congo River and didnt exist until the Belgians built it.

For realism I suggest we go with that.

OOC:
Perhaps Belgium intel hasn't noticed the Republican Army sitting on the Congo's border...

IC:
The UR wonders which approach we will be taken - splitting the country into semi-united tribal nations or forming a single Congo state?

Also, if the US needs assistance, the Republican Military has plenty of veteran elite units that could aid in the training of the new Congo army.

ooc
you can bet the CIA has and the UR offer is politely turned down.

IC
The US is working on a suggested constitution for the new nation as a matter of fact that would build on both the tribes and the proviences. The tricky part is the head of state and executive authority.

With Australian blessing the USEA contacts it's southern neighbours Indonesia and Malaysia on the subject of procuring large quantities of oil (4 points).

With Australian blessing the USEA contacts it's southern neighbours Indonesia and Malaysia on the subject of procuring large quantities of oil (4 points).

Who are always pleased to sell

ooc
although were is Japan getting its oil from? Historically its from Indonesia

Following the near ending of the Balkan Military modernisation program, The French government contacts both nations and secretly offers to provide points for the creation of an inteligence Agency which would p[rovide services for the two nations.
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The French government contacts the Ivory Coast government and offers to invest 24 points to create a production centre as economic aid.

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French diplomats begin overtures ton the Spanish government to negotiate their possible entry to the EEC.

ooc
no way that the Belgian Congo can have a quick merchant fleet, they are about as far from being a sea faring nation as it gets... Ghana maybe, Nigeria sure. Both nations have strong fishing traditions. But the Congolese are more of a river people. A couple of merchant shipping units for river traffic to start with would be reasonable, but thats about it. Look at the geography... the coast line, what little there is, consists of a swamp. The principal port is on the Congo River and didnt exist until the Belgians built it.

For realism I suggest we go with that.

I didn't specify how big it was :p

Anyways, could there be a possibility of digging out that swamp and building a port?

I want the Congo to be nice and open for my markets, you know

Who are always pleased to sell

ooc
although were is Japan getting its oil from? Historically its from Indonesia

according to the 2nd Darwin Thread Japan is getting oil from the UIR. Perhaps losing the 3rd World War before they could grab Indonesia caused them to look elsewhere for their needs?

I made a deal with the UIR, I believe I'm getting my 4 points from the UIR, but I'm giving priority to SCT nations

SIC: Several KND members go to Greece and begin meeting with son of the Fascist leader Ioannis Rallis, George Rallis. Discussions are made about the possibility of Germany's assistance should Greece decide that Ionia and other Greek areas should return to "Alexander's Empire".

Parthini']SIC: Several KND members go to Greece and begin meeting with son of the Fascist leader Ioannis Rallis, George Rallis. Discussions are made about the possibility of Germany's assistance should Greece decide that Ionia and other Greek areas should return to "Alexander's Empire".

The US uses 3 points of its covert CIA budget to secretly fund a military coup in Greece should an agreement between Germany and Greece along these lines be drawn up.

Promises of substantial economic aid to Greece are made as well (the US will build 4 production centers and nuclear power plants for Greece in exchange for a base at Suda Bay, Crete)

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The US would prefer that yet another war in the Aegean be avoided if possible. This is handled as covertly as possible. Leser Ribenia or Sharina should ref this.

OOC: Umm Godmodding?

It was secret for a reason....

Parthini']OOC: Umm Godmodding?

It was secret for a reason....

no, not really, remember that the US has the best codebreaking agency in the world .. called the NSA. Its certain the US would know about this. But for fairness, once again, asking Lesser Ribenia or Sharina to rule on this.

The US deploys a fleet of aircraft to monitor communications around the world, and has the 6th Fleet in the Med as well. Excellent chance to almost certainity that it would know.

SIC: SFIR agents (including the trawlers under its command) are told to monitor ships headed into Turkey, and Scandic-Turkish communications (in international waters of course) for possible signs of nuclear weapons being transferred.

Calls are made by France to both Italy and Greece urging for a return to democracy.

no, not really, remember that the US has the best codebreaking agency in the world .. called the NSA. Its certain the US would know about this. But for fairness, once again, asking Lesser Ribenia or Sharina to rule on this.

The US deploys a fleet of aircraft to monitor communications around the world, and has the 6th Fleet in the Med as well. Excellent chance to almost certainity that it would know.

My ruling:

The US does learn that Germany is up to something in Greece through CIA and NSA operatives, as well as some code-breaking efforts. It has a general idea that Germany is trying some diplomatic talks or such. HOWEVER, the the intel services don't know exactly what's happening (all the details *yet*).

Some more spying or covert ops will reveal what's going on- for instance if the US sends a few more operatives into Greece or montior Greece more closely (perhaps move the 6th Fleet somewhat closer to Greece). If the US does this, their intelligence services could discover more specifics about the German "deals" with Greece.

After all, nothing is really omnisicient or omnipotent. It does take time to ferret out secrets.

The United Republics, seeing the sudden explosion of the PLO and the effects on Palestine and area politics, would like to hopefully avoid disaster by granting a nation-wide poll within Palestine. The poll has four seperate choices with descriptions of it's pros and cons and all people 16 years of age or older may vote.

Choice 1 - Palestine (Independence)
Pros:
-Full independence from other powers
-The government can focus more on the needs of Palestinians
Cons:
-Little or no natural resources
-Poor production output
-Small army (There was low Palestinian participation in the UR Military)

Choice 2 - Transjordan (A Palestine-Jordan Union)
Pros:
-More able to focus on Palestine's needs than the UR
-Protection by the UR
Cons:
-Pretty much the same as Choice 1, but less severe

Choice 3 - Palestinian Republic (Remaining Part of the UR)
Pros:
-Best protection in the Middle East (excluding UK possessions)
-Strongest economy in the Arab World
-Largest and best-trained military in the Middle East
-Open market to a broad range of natural resources and industrial power
Cons:
-African Independence Issues that don't concern Palestine
-Many wars
-Government less able to focus on the Palestinian population
-Doesn't care about the Turkish Alliance, which is a major Arab issue right now

Choice 4 - Syria (Joining Syria)
Pros:
-Good protection
-Pretty strong economy
-One of the most advanced nations in the Middle East
Cons:
-Turkey sitting on the other side of Syria
-May experience same issues with government not able to focus on Palestinians
-Really risky right now due to the nuclear situation with Turkey

Choice 4 - Fractioned Palestine (Splitting it among neighboring nations)
Description:
As Palestinians on the Syrian border would probably feel more secure as part of Syria, Palestinians living near or in Jordan would probably feel comfortable as a part of a fellow, peaceful Arab state, and Palestinians in Gaza may wish to remain under Egyptian control, this plan allows the population in each area to get what they want without the other suffering. This plan, however, does not allow for any sort of independent Palestine, as even missing small chunks of land and population would cripple the already doomed independent Palestine economy. The areas would be as follows:
-Northern Palestine (from Nazareth Up, more likely to join Syria or Jordan)
-Central Palestine (from Nazareth to Jerusalem, more likely to join Jordan)
-Southern Palestine (from Jerusalem to Dimona, more likely to join Jordan)
In additional, the Negev Desert starting south of Dimona will remain part of the UR no matter what, due to foreign bases and maintaining a border between the UR and Jordan for defensive purposes.

I need someone to roll for the outcome of the different areas. I think Fractioned Palestine or Transjordan will be the most probable outcomes.

Calls are made by France to both Italy and Greece urging for a return to democracy.

I don't know about Italy, but Greece is still a democracy. Fascism doesn't necissary entail that the ruling party bans elections and other parties. The thing is, at the current state, Greece is run by the Fascist Party and one of their more lofty goals is rebuilding Alexander's Empire.

I'm sure many of the Greeks feel like they got screwed out of Ionia, and with enough riling up, the Fascist Party only needs the army to do so.

In addition, the Fractioned Palestine decision is chosen with Central and Southern Palestine joining Jordan and northern joining Syria. Gaza remains a part of Egypt.

Map (http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/middle_east_and_asia/israel_pol01.jpg)

For the sake of simplicity, would the following split be acceptable?

Negev and Gaza Provinces-Stay in UR
Central, Tel-Aviv, Jerusalem, and West Bank provinces-Jordan
Haifa and Northern Provinces-Syria

OOC: Fracturing Palestine is going to piss of a lot of Palestinians, even if they are a minority of the population, probaly going to see similar problems as you did with the PLO.

EDIT: Also, whats the status of Jerusalem? Was that ever decided in the U.N.?

However, it does weaken their support base. The more traditional families will likely move to Jordan's section, while the more liberal would prefer Syria's area. If they really liked the UR, they might move to Gaza.

OOC: Fracturing Palestine is going to piss of a lot of Palestinians, even if they are a minority of the population, probaly going to see similar problems as you did with the PLO.

EDIT: Also, whats the status of Jerusalem? Was that ever decided in the U.N.?

It was because of the PLO that this poll was held. No one voted besides Palestinian citizens, so it was impossible for them to be a minority.

By the way, here's Palestinian Information:
Tech: 7, Population: 2 Mil
4 Palestinian Centers
Palestinian National Airline
Palestinian International Airline
Palestinian Tourism
Palestinian Shipping
1 Elite Trained Garrison Unit
1 Elite Trained Light Infantry Unit

Edit: Production Centers are located in Haifa (2 centers for Syria) and Tel Aviv (2 centers for Transjordan). I believe Jerusalem also has some production points, but you'll have to ask GB.

Parthini']I don't know about Italy, but Greece is still a democracy. Fascism doesn't necissary entail that the ruling party bans elections and other parties. The thing is, at the current state, Greece is run by the Fascist Party and one of their more lofty goals is rebuilding Alexander's Empire.

I'm sure many of the Greeks feel like they got screwed out of Ionia, and with enough riling up, the Fascist Party only needs the army to do so.

In addition, the Fractioned Palestine decision is chosen with Central and Southern Palestine joining Jordan and northern joining Syria. Gaza remains a part of Egypt.

The US is unsympathetic to Alexanders Empire... I wouldn't think Egypt, Syria, Turkey, Kurdistan, or the UIR would be either. Prudent Greeks would also realize that since the Turks now have nuclear weapons, attempting it would be national suicide.

It was because of the PLO that this poll was held. No one voted besides Palestinian citizens, so it was impossible for them to be a minority.


OOC: I didn't mean minority as in the Palestinian people, I mean a minority as in the people who want independance for Palestine. Either way, this is going to cause problems with those people.

Japan would like to provide the Phillipines and Burma with 3 Frigate and 1 Destroyer Units each (pre 7.5) as a gift

Japan would like to provide the Phillipines and Burma with 3 Frigate and 1 Destroyer Units each (pre 7.5) as a gift

the Philippines will consider the matter, they are thinking that missile boats might be more useful considering they are an archipelogo, tied in with their rather capable anti ship capability for their Air Force.

(the USN is about to start using hydrofoils, which would work great for the Filipino Navy, along with hovercraft)

Could any oil deals made with the Turkics(CAR, Kashgaria, Azerbaijan, Turkey) be posted in the new CSPS thread so that they can be factored into their economies when I do them.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=482568

Could any oil deals made with the Turkics(CAR, Kashgaria, Azerbaijan, Turkey) be posted in the new CSPS thread so that they can be factored into their economies when I do them.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=482568

Figure Turkey would be first in line, followed by Ukraine (although thats up to him), Poland.

At some point, some serious money (30 points) will be needed to build a pipeline from Central Asia to somewhere that has a port

In line for what?

I take it a pipeline is needed before any oil can be shipped out?

In line for what?

I take it a pipeline is needed before any oil can be shipped out?

oil can go by train and barge to the Caspian and then up the Volga to Russia for transhipment, or via train to China to their ports. Natural gas though needs a pipeline for economical transport.

In line means first in line to buy oil from the CAR

Other than the militaries, Poland, the Ukraine and Turkey don't need much oil if any. Still have to figure out exactly how much oil and gas is available for export. That pipeline is going to cause some problems.

The Fourth republic of France Extends an offer to both Algeria and Romania to build a pipeline (30 points each) for natural gas, this is in exchange for two points of natural gas for free for 30 years. Indicating also how this pipeline will allow for the export of the other natural gas points to other countries for more profit.

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The French republic rextends its invitation to Spain to join the EEC, thus increasing economic growth while promoting a sense of cooperation within Europe.

How much do Middle Eastern pipelines cost? I have several major ports that open on the Mediterranean, so I could be a source, although now that I think about it Kurdistan is the only landlocked nation in the area, although the Arab Federation and Basra don't have many ports, Basra with only one and the AF with 5 or so and 25 ish points.

How much do Middle Eastern pipelines cost? I have several major ports that open on the Mediterranean, so I could be a source, although now that I think about it Kurdistan is the only landlocked nation in the area, although the Arab Federation and Basra don't have many ports, Basra with only one and the AF with 5 or so and 25 ish points.

The Mideast pipelines got built already, and they come out at Haifa and Beriut actually, or go south to Basra and Kuwait and Bahrain. Even the Kurdish one (goes south to Basra)

What about Damman :confused:

I really don't like sending my oil through non-AF ports (AKA Ports that don't have German troops guarding :p)

US supplies Belgian Congo with a helicopter unit, plus trains the pilots. The US also provides helicopters and pilot training to Liberia, and to the Philippines.

Meanwhile, the Philippines buys a large number of brand new coastal patrol boats equipped with anti ship missiles from France http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saar_4_class_missile_boat

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Parthini, the oil pipelines are whereever they are historically at this point, as the oil companies built them, not governments.

US supplies Belgian Congo with a helicopter unit, plus trains the pilots. The US also provides helicopters and pilot training to Liberia, and to the Philippines.

Meanwhile, the Philippines buys a large number of brand new coastal patrol boats equipped with anti ship missiles from France http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saar_4_class_missile_boat

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Parthini, the oil pipelines are whereever they are historically at this point, as the oil companies built them, not governments.

Maybe its time to "make" Basra join the new Pan-Arabism League!

The Nile Defense Pact
The United Nile Republics (oh yeah, name change), as part of Project African Freedom, announces its pledge to defend it's fellow Nile nations of Ethiopia and Uganda. The UR also offers to provide aid to Uganda if needed (I'm already supporting Ethiopia). No military units or bases will need to be set up in the two nations, was the UR is capable of quickly responding to any attacks on the nations. Nothing is demanded in return, as this is simply a show of good will and the care for our less fortunate neighbors.

Parthini']Maybe its time to "make" Basra join the new Pan-Arabism League!

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Pressure on the Shiites in Basra will have them call for help from their UIR neighbors. The Pan Arab League is entirely Sunni.

As current events in Iraq shows, this is a major issue.

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Pressure on the Shiites in Basra will have them call for help from their UIR neighbors. The Pan Arab League is entirely Sunni.

As current events in Iraq shows, this is a major issue.

Yeah, that's why I said make :p

I knew they never would join willingly, which was why only Baghdad joined the AF. Oh well.

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Pressure on the Shiites in Basra will have them call for help from their UIR neighbors. The Pan Arab League is entirely Sunni.

As current events in Iraq shows, this is a major issue.
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By that you mean the Arab Federation, correct? 11.5% of the Arab League's points (as of '59) have been from Basra.

(emphasis is mine)

By that you mean the Arab Federation, correct? 11.5% of the Arab League's points (as of '59) have been from Basra.

Which is only because of my ignorance (I though BAsra was in the Arab Federation.) to the situation whilst I was doing Basra's builds.
Indeed Basra would be more friendly with the UIR and the 1959 points have been edited towards them. I have also suggested that Warta-Endor do Basra's builds from now on.

I understand them not contributing so much, but tensions aren't as severe right now (no one's attacking them with VX, they aren't being goaded by extremist Iran and threatened by extremist Arabia) and several nations (Kuwait, Oman, and Syria for example, have considerable Shiite populations.

EDIT: I think everyone's confusing the Arab League, which is working to advance the progress of all Arab nations, and the Arab Federation, an individual nation in the AL. Basra-ians are Arab, and were invited and supposedly part of the Arab League. I guess it depends on if they consider religion more important than race (Persians and Arabs dont get along great historically either)

I understand them not contributing so much, but tensions aren't as severe right now (no one's attacking them with VX, they aren't being goaded by extremist Iran and threatened by extremist Arabia) and several nations (Kuwait, Oman, and Syria for example, have considerable Shiite populations.

I would think that Basra just has close ties with the UIR and you are going to have to accept that.
They don't hate you, they just like the UIR more.

If you take the 20 points donated last year as a gesture of goodwill by Basra then you would see that they do like you quite a bit and will probably give you loans and gifts if you ask.

Im fine with that, I'm just saying that the AL has serious benefits the Arab Basrans would consider (free RADAR, great missile tech, nuclear power, while there isnt a defense clause we'd likely come help them) so they'd likely be part, just not a very participatory one. If not then I get to pay less for giving them all free RADAR coverage.

Here's what I think (and I think that's law :p)

Basra is a member of the Arab League since the Arab League and the UIR haven't had any rough times. So while Basra has ties with the UIR and I think it's fine for Warta to do his build, Basra would definately remain a part of the Arab League and continue close ties with the other Arabs. (So still donates some points).

BTW, Spain agrees to join the EEC, and Germany confers with the other members about the Admission of Czechoslovakia.