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I actually have found it and indeed he did post one RL day before you and he is correct on the fact that you just said you had 8000 men on the border when unlike all others who have Rped battles have wrote about calling them up. He would have sufficient time(an entire season) to move his troops to Northumbria and my troops should be arriveing now since no battle has taken place and both your armys are just sitting there...Also, the citizens of Northumbria would NOT give in to you for clothes and I guarantee that!

The way I saw it: Consolidation of Wales (the battle already one but things being re-established) and muster between Edinburgh and Berwick occuring at the same time. Rumors of the army reached Robert and he sent some people to reinforce Northumbria (much earlier post i think it was somewhere near 1,500 men). The army In Wales prepares for new campaign. The muster was happening durring the harves season to provide the most amount of food and supplies for the army (winter out of the uplands not necessarily a problem for the scots) as they began marching towards Berwick and composed the letter (which was to signal the entrance into northumbria and hopefully forstall war though they are ready for it). Don't forget the army in Wales has to go around the Pennines (Mountains), to get to the area I'm talking about would mean they are pretty much travelling two hundred miles west and then another three - four hundred miles north, even if they were all at the tippiest top of and western most point of Wales and travelled diagonally through the mountains they would have to travel about three hundred fifty miles. As for the foreign aid it should not have been even begun to be sent until parties involved recieved the plea from William, in otherwords I think landing in London now would be pretty fair. Currently I'd say it would be winter still with my toops between the Haviot Hills and Alnwick, and the English army from Wales at about the Tyne river (about fifty miles apart) with supplies being organised in York and Stockton-On-Tees. I've probably been in Northumbria for a two or three weeks.

Other opinions: As I said I think time flow is the hardest problem with this, fixed time makes things difficult when we can't check a day or only make one post in a day. Also two thousand men is a significantly large number for these times, granted ic I wouldn't know about the reinforcements sent to Castille or Recieved from Castille and Gascony (And I must say that I find it funny that Gascony that was against Normandy and supported Edward the Aethling against William is now fighting on the side of the Normans against Aethling's brother in law.) and I probably will only shortly know the size of the English force same as he would not know how many I have brought to the field. And I'd ask that Philanchez look at it a little more objectively or have one of the other moderators check into this since you have a vested interest in the goings on.

What I'd like to do: Learn of the reactions of the Garrison in Alnwick and the other further south castle as well as the people of the region. Start a war thread, with the English army crossing the Tyne. And while we war tg our plans and tactic to a moderator or other willing objective third party and have them notify us of the result and then rp that result or discuss here what should happen and then write it out.

Ultimately I'll listen to the mods but this is what I think.

another note: its not clothes that I'm offering them, its more the idea of trade and wealth and opportunity (dont forget the Northumbrians have had a close tie to Scotland at this time period, having been occupied twice before, and cosisting largely of Saxons and Danish the factions that William defeated for his crown and removed from power. A large portion of these went to Scotland in attempt to have Malcolm win back England.) as opposed to being put to the sword, what I'm shooting for is not a Northumbrian revolution in the name of Scotland, but to inhibit any muster the Duke might make. In other wards why rally to arms when they're not really attacking?

I understand...Ill see about getting Spooty/Kaduna to look over it and give his oppinion...

Philanchez do you want me to start the royal wedding thread?

Sure...IDK how old the girl is though...it hink its winter of 1091 right?

hey, sorry for the long break my Brother had my computer Hi-Jacked over the weekend, k, have I missed anything greatly important which needs my immediate attention? Also I plan to start the re-unification of Kiev thread, with the absence of Yuro and Yaro, Potlov will be free to launch a strike, now some of you have agreed to assist either Yuroslav or Yaroslav, i've forgotten who so don't feel left out if I don't mention you, the planned victor of this war is undicided, i'm simply going to go with the flow and see who ends up on top, at the moment it seems likely to be the Prince Yuroslav, this can and most likely will change.

tis ok...look over N Fenris' posts on this page and youll see what you need to do...

Philanchez do you want me to start the royal wedding thread?
I dont care...just realize shes nine...

Really, I thought it was the summer of 1095. As well if is the winter of 1091 she will be about 9 or 10.

Its ok though because she had a kid before 1095 in RL anyway...

Okay, then. When should I start it thw wedding thread, also what is the dowry?

I think that as N Fenris didn't post gathering his forces, we should assume that both armies are at their places as it actually is.

Generally, force-gathering isn't important, but in this case it makes a huge difference as to whose forces get there first. My troops were already cohesive, while Fenris's need to be cobbled together from garrisons around the country. Also, he's leaving his country dangerously open to Viking raids by sending this many men south.

The Normans are defending the lands of the Northumbrians, while the Scottish are bringing more war into the area.

I know a hint when I hear one... time for a Viking Raid on Scotland perhaps?

Now I guess...The Dowry? Uniteing the kingdoms? 10,000 Florins?

Yeah, genrally the kingdom would be it as well in return I will send Sicilain ships and soldiers to fuel the Reconquest of Spain and Portugal.

For what it's worth, I'm going to weigh in on North Fenris' side. Obviously, William would know little to nothing about the Scottish army before it walked across the border. And so, obviously, the Scots would get a few weeks in Northumbria before England gets there. It seems the most realistic way.

8,000 men don't move very quietly. A huge force marching south is going to draw much attention, and their march on Northumbria is bound to be let out to a spy by a soldier at a pub. Notice that N Fenris didn't post it SIC, while I did post my movement as SIC. I regard any post not SIC as knowledge open to everyone.

Seeing that it was missed: http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=458388

8,000 men don't move very quietly. A huge force marching south is going to draw much attention, and their march on Northumbria is bound to be let out to a spy by a soldier at a pub. Notice that N Fenris didn't post it SIC, while I did post my movement as SIC. I regard any post not SIC as knowledge open to everyone.
Your army will move even more slowly, because it's larger. Also, once the army starts mustering, you won't move against it before it starts marching, because they mightn't be coming for you, and they mightn't be marching to war. So you're only going to go when you hear they're marching on you - which will be at least a week or two after they do - first the message has to travel to the place that the king was last, then to where he is now (as nations at this time did not have capitals), and then to the army. Then you have to muster up your army again, as they will have at the very least relaxed somewhat, then march to Northumbria. By which time the Scots have been there a month.
As for SIC, no he didn't pst it SIC, but his troops are marcing, so obviously it couldn't be. Maybe a compromise, we could say that you know about the army being there about the same day as it gets there (say due to a spy?) but it will still take you a few weeks to march there? As for the Castilian reinforcements, by the time they arrive, this will probably be over...

Bump....

yeah, I'm attacking Antioch, and I was wondering if I could just rp the resistance?

Or if not, could someone rp for the Byzantine forces there?

Its pretty one-sided (50,000-5,000)
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10094347#post10094347

yeah, I'm attacking Antioch, and I was wondering if I could just rp the resistance?

Or if not, could someone rp for the Byzantine forces there?

Its pretty one-sided (50,000-5,000)
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10094347#post10094347

yeah I havn't seen Gupta post in a long time, I would take over for him for the purposes of this RP but being as I have already committed forces myself it'd be a bit pointless.

Dude, I'm still around. I don't post everyday, but I do check everyday.

Dude, I'm still around. I don't post everyday, but I do check everyday.

oh thank buggary, then why havn't you frequented the Selijuk Attack thread going on to Antioch?

I just did.

Your army will move even more slowly, because it's larger. Also, once the army starts mustering, you won't move against it before it starts marching, because they mightn't be coming for you, and they mightn't be marching to war. So you're only going to go when you hear they're marching on you - which will be at least a week or two after they do - first the message has to travel to the place that the king was last, then to where he is now (as nations at this time did not have capitals), and then to the army. Then you have to muster up your army again, as they will have at the very least relaxed somewhat, then march to Northumbria. By which time the Scots have been there a month.
As for SIC, no he didn't pst it SIC, but his troops are marcing, so obviously it couldn't be. Maybe a compromise, we could say that you know about the army being there about the same day as it gets there (say due to a spy?) but it will still take you a few weeks to march there? As for the Castilian reinforcements, by the time they arrive, this will probably be over...
The fact that my army is larger is more than negated by the fact that my army is already gathered together. Also, neither I, nor King William, are stupid. If N Fenris posts "suggesting" I give him Northumbria, and then a few months later musters a huge army, then chances are it's against me- that's enough reason to move a sizable force to the border. Also, as William is very old and his son Robert Curthose has been given a bit of license with the campaign, he's accustomed to acting without orders from the top, meaning that on hearing from a Scottish force mustering he'd immediately march some of his army to the border. I don't think this is much of a stretch. However, I do understand the constraints of a real-time setting, and so I'm willing to compromise- my troops and his will arrive at the same time, upposed to a year earlier. Only troops stationed there will be able to work on the fortifications.

awesome

Seeing that it was missed: http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=458388

Blah. And can I get an update on the status of the HRE from anybody, thanks.

Phil has been gone for quite some time... so, ya.

And the HRE is not being RP'ed as a single nation, rather people have claimed member princedoms and duchies, and have loose loyalty to the Emporer (there currently is none). Whomever does claim the Emporer, rules the HRE only in name, as member kingdoms can do whatever they please.

Phil has been gone for quite some time... so, ya.

And the HRE is not being RP'ed as a single nation, rather people have claimed member princedoms and duchies, and have loose loyalty to the Emporer (there currently is none). Whomever does claim the Emporer, rules the HRE only in name, as member kingdoms can do whatever they please.


Well...whoever owns parts of the HRE then please focus on my thread once I have time to write something; it's going to be the Prussian conquest of northern Germany and the eventual change to Catholicism of the Prussians.

Can I claim the portion of land labled R1 as Pisa?

Indeed you may! And come one people get something going!

The fact that my army is larger is more than negated by the fact that my army is already gathered together. Also, neither I, nor King William, are stupid. If N Fenris posts "suggesting" I give him Northumbria, and then a few months later musters a huge army, then chances are it's against me- that's enough reason to move a sizable force to the border. Also, as William is very old and his son Robert Curthose has been given a bit of license with the campaign, he's accustomed to acting without orders from the top, meaning that on hearing from a Scottish force mustering he'd immediately march some of his army to the border. I don't think this is much of a stretch. However, I do understand the constraints of a real-time setting, and so I'm willing to compromise- my troops and his will arrive at the same time, upposed to a year earlier. Only troops stationed there will be able to work on the fortifications.
No matter what way you swing it, you won't get to find out about his troops until they're already in Northumbria - unless you're going to march your troops to Northumbria pre-emptively, which is stupid - you wouldn't know if he's bluffing or not. Some, perhaps, but that'd be maybe a few hundred or a thousand or so - remember, you were still fighting in Wales or just finished when this happened. And you'll still need pacification troops in Wales - the Welsh are not just going to give up like that, some of them will keep on fighting for a while. I still think you won't get there until they've been there a few weeks. When the Vikings raided France, they had the WHOLE winter more or less before the French armies got there. But that's only my opinion. I think there should be an official ruling on it soon though.
I just realised something - now that Lachenburg left, I'm in Flanders. Kroando, do you want to go ahead with the raid on Breskens? I'll start posting there as soon as you tell me whether or not you want me to run with it. Sorry I didn't think of that before.
New map! http://img520.imageshack.us/img520/7972/basiceuropemap37vq.gif

Sure, im always up for a raid. Phil, go TG everyone else, we need some activity around here.

Sure, im always up for a raid. Phil, go TG everyone else, we need some activity around here.
Lovely - it'll be Christmas Eve probably before I get around to replying though, I'm working a midday to midnight shift tomorrow (at €6.12 an hour, wahoo...) and won't be posting afterwards - will be sleeping!
Madnestan, I'm going to go ahead with the Mass, that cool? I'm sorta gonna run it as instructional for Jean - basically I'm trying to influence him towards me... That's why I wanted a son...

No matter what way you swing it, you won't get to find out about his troops until they're already in Northumbria - unless you're going to march your troops to Northumbria pre-emptively, which is stupid - you wouldn't know if he's bluffing or not. Some, perhaps, but that'd be maybe a few hundred or a thousand or so - remember, you were still fighting in Wales or just finished when this happened. And you'll still need pacification troops in Wales - the Welsh are not just going to give up like that, some of them will keep on fighting for a while. I still think you won't get there until they've been there a few weeks. When the Vikings raided France, they had the WHOLE winter more or less before the French armies got there. But that's only my opinion. I think there should be an official ruling on it soon though.
Well, I think there are many ways I could find out his troops are marching to Northumbria, or just gathering. Marching troops to your border when your rival who just sent you a letter saying he wants your land isn't such a bad idea.

As for Wales, yes there are troops fighting there, but I'm paying many able-bodied men to come fight as Longbowmen in Northumbria, which will decrease the volume of people to watch. Right now my army's at wartime status, as I'm at war, and I've only got a bit more than one-third of my troops defending against the Scots, and that's the total number, not the number I marched there. I only marched about 8,000, as keeping one-fifth of your peacetime force on the border with a militant neighbor is something a lot of nations have done throughout history.

Indeed you may! And come one people get something going!

Awsome. I'll start RPing as soon as I get a handle on what's happening in this RP. Also, can you guys tell me some places where I can find more specific lists of what each country had at this time...like military and fleet sizes?

We cant even agree on population sizes. However, when creating a military, the most important thing to remember is that the countries are extremely divided, as even the smallest are controlled not by a king or duke, but by a collection of several semi-loyal Lords, Counts and other such nobility. However, some nations were more unified than others in their ability to create standing armies.

Well...whoever owns parts of the HRE then please focus on my thread once I have time to write something; it's going to be the Prussian conquest of northern Germany and the eventual change to Catholicism of the Prussians.

Do you mean general Christianity? Because Protestantism didn't exist yet

Do you mean general Christianity? Because Protestantism didn't exist yet

No, I meant catholocism, as I stated in the post... Prussia being the Prussia of the Teutonic Knights, not the Prussia of Frederik the Great.

Caladonn, you posted a quadruple post in the Christmas Mass thread... Mind deleting some of them please, just to tidy things up?

Yeah, really sorry about that... my computer was acting wierd so I think I clicked multiple times by mistake.

Armies can be determined by loyalty of lords to their monarch and as well the wealth of the nation.

We cant even agree on population sizes. However, when creating a military, the most important thing to remember is that the countries are extremely divided, as even the smallest are controlled not by a king or duke, but by a collection of several semi-loyal Lords, Counts and other such nobility. However, some nations were more unified than others in their ability to create standing armies.
Well, does anybody have the page for Venice? My military would likely be a little stronger than their since I am at the height of my power.

What is the current time now?

Are there any good positions open in this RP?

Are there any good positions open in this RP?
http://img520.imageshack.us/img520/7972/basiceuropemap37vq.gif
This is the world map at the moment. Here's the list of free slots:
2. Almoravid Caliphate
3. Banu Sulaym
5. Kingdom of Croatia
8. Kingdom of Valencia

F1. County of Brittany
F2. County of Anjou
F3. County of Aquitaine
F4. County of Castres
F5. County of Barcelona
F6. County of Maçon
F7. County of Burgundy
F8. Counties of Blois-Champagne
F9. County of Flanders

R2. County of Tuscany
R3. Duchy of Spoleto
R4. County of Provence
R5. Kingdom of Burgundy
R7. March of Verona
R8. Duchy of Swabia
R9. Duchy of Lotharingia
R11. Duchy of Bohemia
R12. Duchy of Franconia (seat of the King of Germany)
R13. Duchy of Bavaria
R15. Duchy of Frisia
R17. Duchy of Pomerania

S1. Principality of Polotsk
S2. Principality of Perejaslawl
S3. Principality of Smolensk
S4. Principality of Chernigov
S5. Principality of Rostov-Suzdal
S6. Principality of Galicia
F means in France, R means in the Holy Roman Empire, and S means in Russia. The time is Spring 1094.

I'll take the Duchy of Swabia

Duke Frederik of Swabia, of the proud and most noble Staufen Family, also known as the Hohenstaufen Family.

Any info on the state of the Holy Roman Empire?

Any info on the state of the Holy Roman Empire?
There is none, really. We have no-one playing the Emperor, so you're basically free to go your own way. I think Prussia wants to invade you, but he's up top and you're down the bottom... Plus nothing is happening really.

Prussia is part of the empire or of Poland or on its on?

How about the Empire's relations with France, England, The Papacy, the Danes, the Poles, the Hungarians and the Russians?

I assume that the current emperor is emperor Henry IV, eldest son of the Emperor Henry III.

Edit:

Duke Frederick I von Staufen is the current duke of Swabia, married to Agnes of Germany, daughter of Henry IV, Holy Roman Emperor and had many sons and daughters including:

Frederick II of Swabia (1090-1147), the father of Frederick Barbarossa.
Conrad III, king of Germany (1093-1152).

How about the Empire's relations with France, England, The Papacy, the Danes, the Poles, the Hungarians and the Russians?

I assume that the current emperor is emperor Henry IV, eldest son of the Emperor Henry III.
There's no emperor, because there's no-one playing him. So no relations with any of them unless you make them. Henry IV is just Duke of Franconia, I think. Prussia is on it's own and pagan.
Also, single posts or edits please.

There's no emperor, because there's no-one playing him. So no relations with any of them unless you make them. Henry IV is just Duke of Franconia, I think. Prussia is on it's own and pagan.
Also, single posts or edits please.


What does this mean? Are each German state independant from each other? Is there no confederation between the princes, dukes and margraves of Germany known as the Holy Roman Empire? Of which the king is chosenby the electors and crowned emperor by the pope?

What does this mean? Are each German state independant from each other? Is there no confederation between the princes, dukes and margraves of Germany known as the Holy Roman Empire? Of which the king is chosenby the electors and crowned emperor by the pope?
It means that the Roman Empire (wasn't called HRE til 1254 - that's me showing off...) is just Emperor-less. It exists, but the Emperor doesn't... At least that's my take on it. It seems too important a position to leave to an NPC. So, for now, there is no Emperor, but the Empire still exists. Now, if you want to elect an Emperor, fine. Get in touch with the other dukes. By the way, the seven electors of the later Middle Ages aren't around yet, I think the German king is elected by ALL the lords (like most kings theoretically are).

...and once again no one responds to my (the seljuks) attacks. Gupta, anyone want to do something?

What does this mean? Are each German state independant from each other? Is there no confederation between the princes, dukes and margraves of Germany known as the Holy Roman Empire? Of which the king is chosenby the electors and crowned emperor by the pope?The Holy Roman Empire itself was founded by Charlemnge and he was the one to reiceve the title of Emperor from the pope. This as well is what caused further seperation of Eastern and Western Christanity.

So, what's the story here? Is anyone still around? Madnestan, Caladonn, if you read this, I'm waiting for you in the Mass thread.

The war in Croatia just was just fininshed today by me and Scand, otherwise, I haven't seen much posting.

indeed...i think it was cus of break...give it a few days to get back to life

well at least you guys waited for me, if we all want to start again ima be online more than I have been since I got back from France.

OK, this thing is probably dead, but I shall attempt to revive it with an utter adrenaline shot - if this doesn't get it going, nothing will... Check out the Christmas Mass at Rheims (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=460043&page=2) thread.

well I wanted to restart it (Kadunese Puppet) but no-one was interested, I'll dig through my old News thread.

This is still alive?! I have somehow managed to miss it, mostly because of the loss of all of my bookmarks right before christmas. Anyways, I thought this one was dead and buried already.

Great to see I was wrong!

This is still alive?! I have somehow managed to miss it, mostly because of the loss of all of my bookmarks right before christmas. Anyways, I thought this one was dead and buried already.

Great to see I was wrong!
Well, it's not officially dead. But it's damn close... An attempted adrenaline shot. Hopefully it'll work.

perhaps if anyone would respond it wouldn't be dead

aka the war in anatolia, your christmas things...

perhaps if anyone would respond it wouldn't be dead

aka the war in anatolia, your christmas things...
I know... I've tried to piss off England and Gascony, and claim the throne of the HRE, probably pissing off them too, and nothing. Zip. I'm TRYING to start some warfare here, people! Get with the killing of peasants and knights already!

maybe someone should restart it from the forums