NationStates Jolt Archive

For those of you that don't know me I am really interested in Medieval and ancient tech rps. For that reason I have created this RP. Have fun!

Intro
The name says it mostly but to clarify the RP will be set in the Medieval era starting in 1087 after the invasion of England by William of Normandy. You will play as a nation of your choice but it should be relevant to the area you choose. Troop types will be area specific with special troops given to nations in the area that created them. Diplomacy and politics will be imperative to your domination of the known world so remember to use it to your advantage. I will allow someone to play as the Vatican and only RL religions of the time will be allowed.

Claims
You will be allowed to claim one territory. You will take that territories name and attempt to find out specifics about them. Unfortunately I can not find a map

Nations
Please use religions native to the areas and try to create a nation that could exist in 1087. Only government styles present at the time will be allowed. Please be logical.

Time
Time will be run with two days for summer/spring and one day for winter. This means every three days the year will switch over. Also, campaign supplys will be few and far between in winter and typically noone campaigns in winter. The Norse, Prussians, and Kievans will be an exception to this as they have an advantage over others.

The Current Time Is: Summer 1091

A few rules...
1. No Godmoding
2. No double accounts
3. No flameing
4. No questioning mods/admins
5. Mod/Admin word is final
6. You will be allowed 10 days absence with no excuse and 30 with an excuse/alert
7. A one warning system is in place so dont screw up twice!
8. Have Fun!

You can use this ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medieval:_Total_War) as a reference as it is the game I’m useing as base.

Map:
http://img385.imageshack.us/img385/5945/basiceuropemap35nw.gif


NSName/NationName
Philanchez/The Kingdom of Castille
The Gupta Dynasty/The Byzantine Empire
Macabees/The Kingdom of Prussia
Scandinvans/Kingdom of Sicily
Jagada/The Papal States
Madnestan/ The Duchy of Gascony
Kroando/The Kingdom of Norway
Ravea/Knights of St. John
North Fenris/The Kingdom of Scotland
Kaduna/The Principality of Kiev
Caladonn/The Kingdom of England
Skibereen/Kingdom of Ireland
Cantelmium/Duchy of Malta
Wolfenbach/Mameluke Empire
Danard/Kingdom of Hungary
Tajistad/Emirate of Tunisia
[NS]Parthini/The Feudal Republic of Novgorod
Ftang/Kingdom of Denmark
Kalmykhia/Kingdom of France
Champren/Kingdom of Poland
Moorington/Mark of Brandenburg
Hanseania/Mark of Carinthia
Zanziik/Knights of Burgos
Skitsojd/Republic of Genoa

Contact Threads
The Kingdom of Castile (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=457855)
The Kingdom of Norway (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10047680#post10047680)
The Principality of Kiev (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10047849#post10047849)
The Papacy (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=458031)
The Knights of St. John (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=457873)
The Kingdom of Sicily (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10054119)
The Kingdom of England (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10054671)
The Kingdom of Eire (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=458175)
The Duchy of Malta (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10048238#post10048238)
The Mameluke Empire (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10062873#post10062873)
The Kingdom of Hungary (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=458232)
The Emirate of Tunisia (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=458413)
The Dukedom of Gascony (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=457928)
The Feudal Republic of Novgorod (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10070547#post10070547)
The Kingdom of Denmark (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10072202#post10072202)
The Byzantine Empire (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=458753)
Kingdom of Scotland (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=457911)
Kingdom of Poland (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=458783)
The Seljuk Turks (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10081086#post10081086)
Kingdom of France (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=458819)

War Threads
Reconquista: Saragossa (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=458229)
Viking raids in Denmark (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=458681)
Invasion of Wales (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10085471)
Viking raids in Flanders (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=458790)
Invasion of Croatia (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=459597)

I am going to need some moderators to help me in this endeavor so if you are interested please apply for a position.

Admin- Philanchez(me)
Co-Admin- The Gupta Dynasty/Yafor 2
War Moderator- The Scandinvans
Reality Moderator- The Macabees
Recruitment Moderator-

Please apply!

Can I claim the republic of Venice?
N Y C/ The Republic of Venice/Venice

I'd be interested in playing as the Byzantine Empire and in being co-admin as well.

Tace Clamor / The Kngdom of Aragon / Aragon

And I would like to apply to be the War Mod.

All are accepted. Also Gupta, I see in your thread that your Yafor 2 so you will be my co-admin. N Y C, I hope you realize that being the only republic and haveing quarrels with the Pope will create many problems for you...

EDIT: Tace, unless you are another RPer with more experiences puppet then I would prefer to have a person who has a lot of experience be the War Mod.

N Y C, I hope you realize that being the only republic and haveing quarrels with the Pope will create many problems for you...
Yes, I do...heh heh.

A few corrections - Majorca should be Barcelona, while Haverre should be Navarre. I would have been Aragon, but it was taken, and I really prefer not to take a non-Spanish kingdom. Ahhh what the hell, put me as the wealthy Teutonic Order.

Ok. If you want you can be war mod or reality mod. Also I got the map from wikipedia, I didnt make it.

Ok. If you want you can be war mod or reality mod. Also I got the map from wikipedia, I didnt make it.

I will slap Wikipedia then. Regardless, what do those two mods entail?

Can be the Kingdom of the Two Sicilies as well as the War Mod?

Sorry, I looked back over my upcoming schedule and realized I don't have the time to commit to this right now.

Hate to nitpick but 1087 is before or at the begining of the First Crusade... which was launched in 1095...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Crusade

And that map is of a far later Europe (the Golden Horde did not exist in Russia in 1087)

The Papal States please.

I wish to play as the Holy Roman Empire.

I would like to claim Gascony/Gasgogne/Casgony, and offer my, if rather humble, knowledge about the time period.

Here's the RTW map (http://www.totalwar.pl/images/rome/provinces/map.jpg) you requested.

Bah, why Rome:Total War? Would it not be more proper to use Medieval:Total War?

Hate to nitpick but 1087 is before or at the begining of the First Crusade... which was launched in 1095...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Crusade

And that map is of a far later Europe (the Golden Horde did not exist in Russia in 1087)
Hence me saying that the map is from a later date because I could not find one. Also, I realize it is before the crusades I meant to say it is the year that William consolidated his power in England and became King of England, Wale, Scotland.

Macabees, Reality mod makes sure that people do not stray to far from what would be considered reasonable rping of a nation. War mod makes sure that all wars are conducted by the rules and that no godmodding occurs.

Scandinvans, Sure you can be War Mod.

Madnestan, I was looking for the MTW map, I already have a modified versoion of the RTW map. Now if you guys want to use the RTW map that I have edited then we can do thatand you can just claim the areas that would make up your chosen nations.

Lastly, all are accepted.

Sure I'll be a reality mod.

Cool. I was also wondering if you guys that have already signed up could advertise this thread on other forums. I want it to be successful. Oh and if you people want I can switch the map to a modified RTW map. I will post it now...

http://img289.imageshack.us/img289/8865/oldeearth4li.png

Uh-oh, I misread Medieval to Rome.:eek: Now wondering whether there's a real need for new glasses...

Anyways, the MTW map seems to really be under a rock. This (http://www.mithyk.com/councilchambers/Maps/EarlyPeriod.gif) is best I found, and it aint for much use. Anyways, hows the IC going to be organized? Everyone makes a separate news thread, and then own threads for separate wars and battles or something?

Yea ive seen that map already.

IC will probably end up somewhat like E20 and Age of Imperialism with seperate news/internal affairs threads and then one big thread which will have links to all the threads pertaining to the RP. right now i am just waiting for people to sign up so that we can get it going. I also want you guys to vote on whether or not to use the modified RTW map i posed.

Well, it seems to be the best we currently have, so my vote is Yes.

bump

Kroando/The Kingdom of Norway/Norway

Before I start, I want to know if my plan for Norway will be allowed. By this time, Norway has become influenced by Christianity pretty heavily, leaving few true 'Vikings' left. I plan on reversing that through relentless Anti-Christian Campaigns, in which I will hopefully reverse the 'Christianization' of Scandinavia, and restore a more Viking-Like mindset. If this is ok (Note, I plan on doing this through RP) then count me in.

Its ok but dont expect it to be a cake walk. The extremely christian nations will be dead set against this and try everything in their power to defeat it. DOnt be too surprised if you end up with a crusade against you.

I'll take the Knights of Saint John.

Gotta love those Hellhounds.

Ravea/Knights of Saint John/Rhodes

Its ok but dont expect it to be a cake walk. The extremely christian nations will be dead set against this and try everything in their power to defeat it. DOnt be too surprised if you end up with a crusade against you.

Don't insult me by saying Crusade. What will weapons do to stop him? Nothing. Screw that, I'll excommunicate you so fast you'll be saying "Hail Pope!" before I'm done.

Don't insult me by saying Crusade. What will weapons do to stop him? Nothing. Screw that, I'll excommunicate you so fast you'll be saying "Hail Pope!" before I'm done.

Are you talking to me? That post doesnt even make sense... If you are talking to me you realize you just berated THE most Catholic Kingdom in the world, Castille.
Anyway Ravea is accepted.

Thanks, Philanchez.

I've always wanted to take control of my favorite order of Knights.

Woop Woop!

Kroando/The Kingdom of Norway/Norway

Before I start, I want to know if my plan for Norway will be allowed. By this time, Norway has become influenced by Christianity pretty heavily, leaving few true 'Vikings' left. I plan on reversing that through relentless Anti-Christian Campaigns, in which I will hopefully reverse the 'Christianization' of Scandinavia, and restore a more Viking-Like mindset. If this is ok (Note, I plan on doing this through RP) then count me in.

Well that means you will fill the blade of the Holy Roman Empire.

May I play as the Island of Malta?

I understand that in the game, it is part of Sicily's territory, but if no one minds I would like to play them as an independent Dukedom.

Thanks.

This map can't be from the Crusades era. It has the Golden Horde and the Ilkhanate, so we're talking at least 1250...

For the one millionth time...I KNOW ITS NOPT FROM 1087! It was the closest I could find and it is from 1328. That is why ive asked if you people want to use the other map i posted on page two i believe. Anyway all are accepted except for Cantelmium. You have to talk to the Sicilian player or play as Sicily.

I would prefer it if people played as their RL leaders for the nation and then they could begin straying from the mold and makeing the Kings however you want(as long as its realistic).

Submitting a request for Scotland.

will this be an on-site?

RIght now its going to be on site but if the majority wishes it to go off site then I shall create an invision forum...

Oh and North fenris is accepted.

okay, I still have some research to do but I claim the parts of Russia known as Kievan Rus'

Oki.

Well that means you will fill the blade of the Holy Roman Empire.

Viking Bersekers are all high on an herb known as Amanita muscaria, driving them into an insane rage/state of hyper activity/painlessness, so they dont feel much of anything...

EDIT: Oh, and two things. 1. I favor an off site board. 2. When can we start RPing?

I also favor an off-site board.

trust me, in my experience 9/10 offsites go under within the first two months, and I have been to a LOT of offsites, I favor an onsite

May I play as the Island of Malta?

I understand that in the game, it is part of Sicily's territory, but if no one minds I would like to play them as an independent Dukedom.

Thanks.Philanchez I thank you for respecting the Sicilian claim to Malta and as well Cantelmium I am willing to grant you Malta on the condition that you are a feudal lord under the Crown of the Two Sicilies with me at it’s head if that is alright with you. The commitment really is that you follow my summons to war and pay a thirtieth of your annual income to my treasury. The last thing is that you request before going to war, but when you go to war you will be granted half of the land you conquer to your own.

trust me, in my experience 9/10 offsites go under within the first two months, and I have been to a LOT of offsites, I favor an onsite

Same here...then again we're always in the same RPs for some reason...

EDIT: We will start RPing now if you guys wish. I will put all your internal affairs threads in this thread and we can began immediately. Just post the link to your News thread here and ill add it. Oh and please add [EM] to the end of your titles!

Philanchez I thank you for respecting the Sicilian claim to Malta and as well Cantelmium I am willing to grant you Malta on the condition that you are a feudal lord under the Crown of the Two Sicilies with me at it’s head if that is alright with you. The commitment really is that you follow my summons to war and pay a thirtieth of your annual income to my treasury. The last thing is that you request before going to war, but when you go to war you will be granted half of the land you conquer to your own.

HOLY CRAP YOUR REASONABLE!

I, hereafter known as the Duke of Malta, Feudal Servant of the Crown of the Two Sicilies, graciously accept the offer of the Sicilian People.

OOC: Thanks, your terms are completely agreeable, I'm actually excited to see what It'll be like to be a fief with all these other Princes and Lords.

By the Way, will this be useful...

http://www.mithyk.com/councilchambers/Maps/EarlyPeriod.gif

Red - England
Blue - France
Orange - Almohads
Yellow - Spain
Light Red - Aragon
Green - Venitian Italy
Purple - Byzantium
Lighter Orange - Egypt
Green - Turks
White - Danes
Black - HRE
Light Blue - Russia
Silvery Grey - Sicily (The One in the Box is Malta)
Brown - Poland
Light Brown - Hungary

(I'm Shade-Blind, so some of these are hard for me to see, sorry for any mis-nomers).

Innacurate. Northern Italy had several strong city states by no means under Venitian control or even influence. Sardinia, in fact, was a spanish territory. What's the off-scale boxed purple island?

BTW, I think we should allow several Italian city-states not pictured on the front page map. We can leave out the smaller ones, but at least have a Duchy of Milan, a Genoa (which has Corsica) and prehaps a Savoy...

I am aware that the map is historically inaccurate, however it is from the Game this RP was based off of, that is the only reason I posted it. The Boxed off Purple Island is Rhodes.

Both are boxed off because they are so much smaller in reality, and enlarged only to show what it looks like.

Well, admittently Sardinia became a Spanish territory in the mid 15th century, after King Alfonso rose to power, as did the Kingdom of Naples.

Rhodes. And no it isnt useful because like N Y C said it isnt accurate. Trust me I,ve looked and looked and Ive seen that map before but its not right. Ive got a map that will be a little better but ill post it later.

Here is my news thread. You can use it as an example or template if you want. I am going to need some help finding out what pops should be and other such things so yea... (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=457855)<--Its a link!

Pops? Whole can of worms? Can't we be just as happy doing story-style RPs.

Of course but how will you be able to figure the size of an army? Well...I guess I will leave it to the RPer and they will be corrected if any of the mods think it unrealistic.

I'd like to play as the teutonic order, unless their already taken, in whihc case I would like to be the Papal states...

I'd like to play as the teutonic order, unless their already taken, in whihc case I would like to be the Papal states...

I got the former.

Moi la Francois. i would like to play France.

With respect Umvitz, the threads you've done previously have been quite n00bish and at least one that I know of was locked. Maybe take someone less important than France? /not an insult

Unfortunately I agree Umvitz. i have seen some of your threads and you need some help to learn how and what to do when RPing.

Carnicilia, both are taken. Please pick another nation.

Hey I found a Pretty good map of the area. It dates 1097, close enough?

http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/historical/shepherd/europe_mediterranean_1097.jpg

Umm, a little unsure too. Do I create a new thread with the specifics of the Kingdom of the Scots, or are we waiting to all post those particulars together?

OMG! I had forgotten about that site. I've used it a lot for school. Thank god you found it. Can we keep it, pwetty pwease?

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10047680#post10047680

Link to my 'News Thread'.

Well Ive got another map that Im gonna post, which can alter with the RP. My main problem with that map is that I cant alter it. Thanks anyway.

Start your Internal threads guys! We can begin RPing as soon as you want!

We need another thread. Let's leave this for setup. (sorry if someone said that already..)

Possible. Do you mean like a thread library? I can also post the map Ive been talking about when I get back to my comp.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10047849#post10047849

News from Kiev, all the way from the Black Sea, i'm also pimping the fact that My nation needs you!

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10048042#post10048042

The Rhodes thread is now up and running.

Viking Bersekers are all high on an herb known as Amanita muscaria, driving them into an insane rage/state of hyper activity/painlessness, so they dont feel much of anything...

EDIT: Oh, and two things. 1. I favor an off site board. 2. When can we start RPing?

they can still die like any other man.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10048258#post10048258

Here is the thread for the Almighty Holy Roman Empire.

I have bad Punchuation thats how i think you spell it anyway dont worry im good at spelling.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10048238#post10048238

The Island of Malta has begun their thread as well.

Though dont worry about the Empire trying to force catholism on your nation im a heretic which i hope i can bring into this Rpg a little later.

Phenixica if you do try to convert your nation in a way heretical the pope will Excommunicate which will cause a major civil war in which the Catholics will outnumber the heretics because most likely the peasents are most likely at the time more loyal to the pope because they want to go to heaven as at the time they were very spiritual and loyal to the Papacy simply due to that one fact that they will to be sure they will go to heaven.

If he could turn the peasantry against the chruch, it would go alot easier... now just to find a way to do that.

That why i sent a Alliance Proposal to the Byzantine's and not all nations in western Europe where Catholic Southern France was known for Heresy and i know quite a few others and trust me im not planing on starting a Reformation until im strounge enough to back it up.

But i wont be the Popes lapdog forever.

If he could turn the peasantry against the chruch, it would go alot easier... now just to find a way to do that.

Very true the German heretic Luther was nothing but a poor monk heresy
like Rebellion usally starts with the opressed.

First post from the Kingdom of Scotland

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=457911


Just curious what happens if we don't get an England?

Gascony news thread. (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=457928)

BTW, we don't have France yet?

This really n00bish guy asked to be France, but he got turned down...for good reason.

Oh, ok. Good to do that at the start instead of accepting and then regretting. Anyways, I think we'll need to get France in as early stage as possible. France will play a rather crucial role in any medieval game IMO.

Few small points about my name on the frontpage, I'm not a kingdom, i'm a Princedom, and event hat isn't applicable as I am in turmoil as Princes are fighting for power over eachother, the best bet would be The Province of Kiev

EDIT: I also have questions about important figures, unfortunantly I cannot find a list of the several Prince Factions within Kiev and so do not know their leaders, is it ok if I make up names (within reason)

Well, I hope that's allowed 'cuz that's what I did :rolleyes:

Question about the up and running threads...

When two nations are interacting, should we double post, (in our thread and the other countries) or should we just post where the "action" is occuring?

(I ask because as we speak, a fleet of Maltese ships is sailing to the aid of St. John's Knights)

Well, quite common way is to post just official letters and such to other guys thread, and important issues and happenings in your own country to yours, and for major battles, wars and campaigns to make own separate threads.

Well, quite common way is to post just official letters and such to other guys thread, and important issues and happenings in your own country to yours, and for major battles, wars and campaigns to make own separate threads.

Thanks for clearing that up for me!:)

I would like to be Ireland--that being said.
Is it considered Pre-Norman? or 1200s, 1300s what?
Circa 1200 would leave me a majority of the Isle and the ability to repel the inbred scum of the English shores.

Circa 1300, well I will have to figure something out.
1100-1200 is Pre-Norman.

In any event I know pops, politics of the time, weapons, tatics, Religios aspects of both the Indeginous faiths as well as the Catholics.

And note--during the Medieval Times the peasanttry was hardly loyal to the Pope. Dispised for his opulent wealth and his catering to the whims of the Monarchs he was greatly hated by many---you could count any Catholic nation to have at least half the commoners believe the Papacy corrupt and a significant few believing worse.

I was told that it is 1087, if not then i'm buggered, but yes 1087

Perfect--Yes I would indeed Love to take Ireland.

I think it's vital we adopt a map soon, or else people will get into disputes about territory. For instance, on the front page map I control Crete, on the one from the library of Texas I don't. The Library of Texas one seems much more accurate, so I nominate using that one.

I say the first map - I like it best...and plus, it's the one I'm basing my RP off.

yes but the map from the front page is taken from 300 years later, according to said map I have no territory.

Well Ive got another map that Im gonna post, which can alter with the RP. My main problem with that map is that I cant alter it. Thanks anyway.

Please post this then, we need it!:)

EDIT: Here's (http://historymedren.about.com/od/maps/a/atlas.htm) a good medieval map site, I'll rummage through it.

yes but the map from the front page is taken from 300 years later, according to said map I have no territory.

And one 300 years earlier, I have no territory. Aragon is still a marche, and there would be a lot of differences. I say we just up the date to around 1300 A.D.

but I like playing as the Kiev Russians, and no offence to people who like guerilla warfare, it just isn't my scene, the Golden Horde is far too annoying and Kiev Russia at thiks time (1087) controls Lithuania, LITHUANIA!!!!

SOLUTION-
Front Map is clear and distinct.
We know what year it is...1087--

We know who has been chosen and Approved(I know not me).

Regardless of Map--you know where you are--the front map is easily changed to address what should or should not be there for the sake of the RP--this from what I gathered is not a Historical Re-enactment.

We may diverge.

Conflicting claims can not be managed by players.
Mac is a Mod(from what I gathered).

So we use the front page---though it makes most sense to start in 1087. We can manage to join the two.

We know the regions we are supposed to be in--so we simply adjust the map accordingly.

The Begining of the time period gives us all a chance to reshape history--why not begin with the claims.

but then we are faced with another problem, Gascony, upon further research, is actually a Scandinavian province circa 1087, what do we do about nations who have been admitted under the pretense that their nation existed in 1087?

Here's (http://historymedren.about.com/library/atlas/natmapeur1346.htm)a good one: Europe right before the Black Death. The problem with starting later is we miss the crusades... It isn't a historical reenacment, it's really about having fun, so I guess if we all agree to it we can just go ahead and RP. Yeah, let's just keep the front, because it's easy to edit. If we want to make some changes, we can elect to do them. So, what's some quick, easy edits you guys would like?

What do you all think of this map? I believe it is as of 1200 AD. About 13 years after we're starting.

http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/historical/shepherd/williams_dominions_1087.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/historical/history_europe.html&h=1486&w=1062&sz=249&tbnid=fhucmQSXMRMJ:&tbnh=150&tbnw=107&hl=en&start=1&prev=/images%3Fq%3DMap%2Bof%2B1087%2BEurope%26svnum%3D10%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26sa%3DG

But:
It's got accurate territories for everyone except the Seljuks, who were just to the East of Byzantine territory at the time AND the Crusader states didn't exist yet.

Just offering it up...


(EDIT: I found this too, Circa 1190 AD)

http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/historical/shepherd/europe_mediterranean_1190.jpg

So, Kiev and I are in conflict now, because according to the original claim [which was me] the Teutonic Order owns Lithuania. The simplist and most effective method of correcting this is to simply scale it to 1300; so, you don't like guerilla warfare - well, just becuase youre the Golden Throne, or a vassal state, doesn't force you to fight guerilla warfare - you could fight a pitched battle if you wanted, and since there's no Mongolian player, other than the Golden Horde, you could possibly even win.

I don't like that plan, hate to be the fly in the ointment but the idea was, yes to have some fun, but also to start at a point and break-off from said point, I think the only solution to this is to use the front map, no changes, and hold off on the RPing until the mess is sorted.

that link is a search with a map of britain.:confused:
BTW, next time link to the image, not the search page, please.

So, Kiev and I are in conflict now, because according to the original claim [which was me] the Teutonic Order owns Lithuania. The simplist and most effective method of correcting this is to simply scale it to 1300; so, you don't like guerilla warfare - well, just becuase youre the Golden Throne, or a vassal state, doesn't force you to fight guerilla warfare - you could fight a pitched battle if you wanted, and since there's no Mongolian player, other than the Golden Horde, you could possibly even win.

Actually if we restart at 1300's then i'd like to choose a different nation to the Kievans, as fun as it would be it just seems far too complex.

I don't like that plan, hate to be the fly in the ointment but the idea was, yes to have some fun, but also to start at a point and break-off from said point, I think the only solution to this is to use the front map, no changes, and hold off on the RPing until the mess is sorted.

Agreed.

thirded...

Well I dont get a vote because I am not approved--but whatever--I think Mac and I just dont have too many fears of fiddling with a map.

So cool--
Its still meh island.
Ireland it still is I dont wnat to change.

I am changed to Denmark, VIKING POWER!!!

Well... I took Gascony considering the map on the first page. In 14th centruy it has became much tighter part of England and her lands and power have been greatly reduced. Therefore, and for the crusade's sake, I vote for the original year and original map.

The original map belongs to the 14th century, however. Regardless, am I going to be ok starting to role play, or are we going to have to argue on who owns Lithuania, Estonia and Latvia at this day in age?

i'm happy, but now i'm RPing as the Denmark

Damn if we're upping to 1300 hundred I just might shoot someone, after researching the state of scotland in 1087.

Since Philanchez is going to create an updatable map, cant we keep the year as 1087, and resolve any disputed claims here and thus change the updatable map to fit what we have decided?

Tagged for interest...

Damn if we're upping to 1300 hundred I just might shoot someone, after researching the state of scotland in 1087.

Since Philanchez is going to create an updatable map, cant we keep the year as 1087, and resolve any disputed claims here and thus change the updatable map to fit what we have decided?

I have so far researched both Kievan Rus', Gascony, Mongolia and Denmark in 1087, all of them useless, ultimatly the final decision comes down to Philanchez, it is his RP.

Well, I guess we'll have to wait, because technically then the Teutonic Knights shouldn't have their own kingdom.

Personally, I'd like just to find a new map and RP still in 1087, but that's because the Byzantine emperor, Manuel, was a brilliant, if erratic, leader.

I am opposed to bumping the date up to 1300 simply because it will screw over my RP. I plan on reversing Norse Christianity, a feat while difficult, still possible in 1087. In 1300, the Vikings have long died out, as has all memory of the glory days. In 1300 the people are strict, loyal devout christians, not somthing I plan on RPing. The RP was started as a 1087 RP, if you're going to just start changing the dates to fit your land claims, we might as well just start adding areas of land to your claims... I call Australia.

Alright I have a simple solution. I will post my updateable map(just have to edit for spooty and the guy with a funky name who claimed ireland) and we will keep the date. If there are anymore problems just TG me.

http://img514.imageshack.us/img514/5527/oldeearthrp6go.png

I think you can all find your own nations...

well sh!t if we're keeping the date then I revert back to Kiev, sorry to be a pain but it's Kiev!!!

That'll be region number red50

EDIT: how did i get 11 and 50 mixed up?

I'd like to play as England, I don't care about the time period...

I'll need some help with pop etc though.

Anyway, is this 1087? Do I still have William as ruler, or someone else?

1087 and Will is your ruler. Also, Spooty I will change you back but damn make up your mind!

http://img397.imageshack.us/img397/7493/oldeearthrp8li.png

There ya go...

Hey, sorry to be a bother but can you update the Frontpage so it has me and my claim up there? I know I'm a vassal of Sicily, but I am technically an independent player (in terms of Gameplay, not mechanics).

Added. Also can everyone put up a new/internal affairs thread and post it here.

Here's the most recent News dealing with the People of Malta.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10048238#post10048238

Here's where you can get the facts and goings on of the Republic of Venice:
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=458041
BTW, I plan to invade Cyprus, someone willing to rp them, please tell me.:)

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10054671

English thread.

Question. This may have been awnsered already, but if not, how exactly does the time system work here? A year a day? Liquid? Sorta important issue in RPs.

Here is my the Two Siclies news thread:
jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10054119

Also I would like to announce the marriage/union of the heirs and kingdoms of the Two Sicilies (me) and Castile/Spain (Philanchez).

I knew I missed something! Alright since not mush happens during winter in the medieval time period because its too damn cold we will have a two day summer and one day winter. This mean that every three days the year changes and you can only have an extremely successful campaign in the summer (unless your norse or prussian or kievan...). Now us people on the med will be able to have a mildly successflu campaign in winter but it will still be cold and men will die from malnutrition and exposure more often...anywaylets say today is the winter of 1087 and tommorrow will begin the summer of 1088. Any objections say aye!

The Pope News and Plans:

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=458031

aye! Some of us can't post every day. I think fluid time is always a better option; let everyone go at their own pace.

Ya, Norway is bloody cold in July. It is also bloody cold in December. The only real factor that determines which is colder, is windchill. The windier seasons are the coldest, but Norse soldiers are used to pretty much the coldest Europe can dish out. Of course they are slower, but say, hypothetically speaking, I invaded France in the winter. France's coldest winters are just as warm as Norways 'warmest' summers. Thus why Viking attacks during the winter were so effective. By the time standard armies had gathered, the Vikings could pillage and raid a city and its countryside for a week before the men would arrive. And by then, they had departed for home. Time system seems fine to me.

I cant post everyday either but I make it my duty to get on at least once and make sure to see what has happened and at least post one thing. And yes I know that that is why the norse are an exception...

http://img514.imageshack.us/img514/5527/oldeearthrp6go.png

I think you can all find your own nations...

That whole grey bit is the Holy Roman Empire but i cant claim them because there aint any numbers.

you seem to have only given me half the Chrimea, whats up with that?

THe other half is genoese colonies...

Since Philanchez you stuck with 1087, Then Ireland is whole and not part of England---hence why I choose it.

In 1087 I have some Ostman(Norwegians) in Wexford...or Waterford.
And in Dublin---
The english did invade Ireland until 1169--the Normans themselves had only just invaded England in 1066-

They did not control a portion of Ireland the size you have them controlling until the 16th century.

1087 I am still free from the taint of English rule.

So if you could Update I would appreciate.

Hi!

I would like to play, i'm a big history fan, actualy, i study history and i am a Medieval re-enactor from Europe, so i hope you will let me play.

I would like to play the kingdom of Poland, curently ruled by the Piast dynasty, i think in the curent year it is the Boleslav II. the Unfearable... but does that also mean that I get Lithuania after 1285? :rolleyes: :p

If it is taken/unavailible, then i would take one of the muslim nations, as i see none is taken...

Hi!

I would like to play, i'm a big history fan, actualy, i study history and i am a Medieval re-enactor from Europe, so i hope you will let me play.

I would like to play the kingdom of Poland, curently ruled by the Piast dynasty, i think in the curent year it is the Boleslav II. the Unfearable... but does that also mean that I get Lithuania after 1285? :rolleyes: :p

If it is taken/unavailible, then i would take one of the muslim nations, as i see none is taken...

Actually, I wouldn't mind if you took the Seljuks. It would be convienent for me, at least, seeing as how the Turks should be launching an assult on Rhodes sometime in the near future.

Polski seems availiable (from what I could tell) and if you do get it then I congratulate you on being my first neighbour, also this an alternate history so whether or not you get Lithuania depends only on your skill.

Hi!

I would like to play, i'm a big history fan, actualy, i study history and i am a Medieval re-enactor from Europe, so i hope you will let me play.

I would like to play the kingdom of Poland, curently ruled by the Piast dynasty, i think in the curent year it is the Boleslav II. the Unfearable... but does that also mean that I get Lithuania after 1285? :rolleyes: :p

If it is taken/unavailible, then i would take one of the muslim nations, as i see none is taken...

If you defeat the Teutonic Order in battle. I somehow have land granted to me by yourself in 1226, and land that I technically shouldn't have until around 1280 - and in fact, the Teutonic Order shouldn't exist in 1087, but it does I guess.

I really don't know how we're doing this, and I might be forced to change nation.

THe other half is genoese colonies...

the Genoens only took South Crimea in the 1200s

In the mid 10th century eastern Crimea was conqured by Sviatoslav I of Kiev and became part of Kievan Russian Tmutarakan. In 988 Vladimir I of Kiev also captured the Byzantine town of Chersones and later converted to Christianity there.

In the 13th century the Genoese seized the settlements which their rivals the Venetians had made on the Crimean coasts and established themselves at Eupatoria, Cembalo, Soldaia, and Caffa.

so Western Crimea is Venetian not Genoen.

I might be forced to change nation.

guess you might

The order was formed at the end of the 12th century

guess you might
Since this isnt a complete re-enactment he might not--I think if he can RP a founding of the early Teuton Order then 1087 would be a fine year for the Birth of the Teutonic Knights.

Kro is going Viking again---the people of the region still exsited--Mac just has to turn them into the TK.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=458175

Ireland thread.

I think i'll go with Poland, but i'll wait for the motherators aproval... I did a seminary on Poland once, i still have it, so Poland is my speciality :D

And The Macabees, i hope for a nice repeat of Grunwald in 1410 :rolleyes:

I think i'll go with Poland, but i'll wait for the motherators aproval... I did a seminary on Poland once, i still have it, so Poland is my speciality :D

And The Macabees, i hope for a nice repeat of Grunwald in 1410 :rolleyes:

I think I can give my co-admin's approval...but I'd wait for Philanchez if I were you.

Since Philanchez you stuck with 1087, Then Ireland is whole and not part of England---hence why I choose it.

In 1087 I have some Ostman(Norwegians) in Wexford...or Waterford.
And in Dublin---
The english did invade Ireland until 1169--the Normans themselves had only just invaded England in 1066-

They did not control a portion of Ireland the size you have them controlling until the 16th century.

1087 I am still free from the taint of English rule.

So if you could Update I would appreciate.

What exactly does Norway control in Ireland?

Wolfenbach, you can have poland but i would prefer it if you took muslims or middle easterners as the map in europe is getting crowded and i would like to see something happen with great islam so that it is not just sitting there waiting to be torn apart...

I dont think they are your subjects...

On another note...Mac if you want to change to a different nation that is fine with me but since i figured that people had claimed and had already done their research i just kept the year and the map and nations...however i will edit ireland so that it is all eires and i will give venetia the crimean colonies unless what that said was that the crimea is ALL kievan...

I am interested in joining this, maybe as Hungary.

Could I join up?

NSname/NationName/Territory
Olybrius Sabinus/The Sabinii Empire/Central Italy (around rome) if possible.

Thanks,

Danard, sure.

Olybrius, we are useing RL nations so please pick one from the main map as central italy is papal lands.

OK, I will start up a thread.

The Kingdom of Hungary: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=458232

Can everyone please set up their news threads!

There's no England; change me to that!

Kingdom of the Two Sicilies: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10054119

You havent put my thread on the frount page so here it is again.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10061468&posted=1#post10061468

Mac, There is an england...Hes Caladonn...you sure you dont want to just be like a prussian kingdom?

This is the Malta Thread Reposted, and just wanna point out its not on the front page.

Thanks.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10048238#post10048238

Mac, There is an england...Hes Caladonn...you sure you dont want to just be like a prussian kingdom?

Sure, I'll be a Prussian kingdom.

I could warn you about the troubles you might have being prussia remeber during this time period Prussian was a pagan nation.

Yes know i remeber why i came on here i wanted people from now on the call my nation by it's native name Heiliges Römisches Reich just to show respect and politness.:)

I'll take the chance.

THanks Mac. And I hink the Maltese thread is on the front page. Under the title Duchy of Malta.

THanks Mac. And I hink the Maltese thread is on the front page. Under the title Duchy of Malta.


Sorry, I must've just missed it.

Thanks though.

Hey, is it too late to join up?

If not, I'd like Tunisia

Tajistad/The Emirate of Tunisia/Hafsids

Secondly,is it alright if I rename it Tunisia?

read wat the pope is planing and you will see what i mean even i am at danger.

read wat the pope is planing and you will see what i mean even i am at danger.

Well, we'll see about the pope. Prussia is largely pagan at this time, and my thread is going to be one of unification, while the HRE is disunited - albeit this might change throughout your role play. Regardless, Prussia has no love for the papal bull and so if the HRE was a bit nicer to Prussia they could count on Prussian support - and Prussia, albeit small, is not one to mess with...I can assure you that.

Well, we'll see about the pope. Prussia is largely pagan at this time, and my thread is going to be one of unification, while the HRE is disunited - albeit this might change throughout your role play. Regardless, Prussia has no love for the papal bull and so if the HRE was a bit nicer to Prussia they could count on Prussian support - and Prussia, albeit small, is not one to mess with...I can assure you that.

Maybe then when you open your thread we can start a alliance.

....ho and the fact that you are pagan is the reason why the pope is a little hostile towards you in the first place trust me i know my history and i know which countries have what religion.

No offence but prussia isint exactly all powerful at this time line it was just land for the teutonic order to conquer.

read wat the pope is planing and you will see what i mean even i am at danger.

You think thats crazy? Wait until I host the: "Who Wants to be Excommunicated Show?!"

Sending Kro a PM to give him specifics on his influence. One second Kro.

I guess I will then take Athens if it is not already taken. Sorry for all the hubbub.

trust me dear pope i might sound hostile but im not exactly planing to go againts your authority.

Ok, the i'll take Egypt/The Mameluck Emipre...

3 reasons: My 3. favourite nation (after Poland and Swiss), wery powerful and the ruler is very influental (Absolutisem, Poland voted kings, nobody listen to them), and also, since i'm muslim, that means i don't give a shit abouth pope :p

Will post a thread in a minute...

great we finally have a mueslim nation now we can crusade.

(only joking)

Say Philanchez why are we not using
http://img514.imageshack.us/img514/5527/oldeearthrp6go.png

On the first page instead a map that tells no one anything if they joining the thread?
I am not being sarcastic, I am curious.

Egyptian thread (Not finished yet):

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10062873#post10062873

Couple of questions, pointed to our realism/war mods:

1. Did the Englishmen alraedy have longbows at this time?

2. Weren't the janissars Turkish elite (slave-)soldiers, and didn't they exist only several centuries after our current year?

English Longbow a minimum of above 4ft--typically between 5'7"-6"
There are many theories I will offer one that seems most plausible.

The Scandanivians introduced the Longbow during there many raids to England--as Nydam bows in grave were found to be Longbows--differing from the English longbow only in ornamentation. The theory is backed by a number of other facts however the mere fact that the bows are dated 200AD according to testing it would imply the Danes and Scandinavians in general already had the technology and simply the English waited a while to adopt it---
The Longbow is not a weapon to be used in Skirmish warfare--it is a set piece weapon, all or nothing. It is powerful and has an impressive range--though the mongolian bow rivalled it in every way but it was half the size or less, though that had to do with construction process.

I would say---yes England does--if not in large numbers still yes, just remember those archers with 6" bows are meat at close range.


Janissaries
Murat I of the fledgling Ottoman Empire founded the corps around 1330.

Yes they were slaves or those captured in war...but they were non-muslim and usually taken at ages of around 7-8, they were raised to love the Sultan and to fight. Very fierce effective boys, the mistake with them is that too much importance was allowed to be placed on them and they to spoiled and revolted.

It seems to me that they weren't used by the Brits before the hundred years war...

According to Wikipedia and this link (http://gondolin.hist.liv.ac.uk/~azaroth/university/longbow.html), that is.
"The Assize of Arms of 1181 had no mention of bows in it, so at this stage in the late twelfth century they were still not a serious part of the English forces. However in the 1252 Assize their use has been officially sanctioned, and even imposed."

Besides, has anyone ever heard about the usage of lonbows during the first crusades? Me neither...

The reason I'm still yabbling about this issue is the fact that the longbow pretty much makes the knight obsolete, and I just wouldn't like to see that happen just yet :rolleyes: ...


About the janissar issue it seems then that they cannot be fielded in couple hundred of years, right?

The fact that the longbows weren't used in the Crusades does not explicitly prove they did not exist. As in the early days of fighting, fighting with a bow was seen as cowardly, and the men invading the Middle East were very much prideful, moving in to fight for God. And when it comes to loot, archers were historically ripped off, and most of the Crusaders went in for money. Wikipedia is not 100% full proof, dont take what you find there as written law.

I am aware of that, which is why I checked couple of history books of mine and other sources the google gave me. It seems rather clear that longbow was not used by the British army before the wars against the Wales in the 13th century. From the Walesians(sp?) the Brits learnt the possibilities of the weapon as they slaughtered the knight/men-at-arms/hired crossbowmen-army the Englishmen fielded. I didn't find any sources backing up the claim longbow would have been significantly (if at all) used before the hundred years war.

It seems to me that they weren't used by the Brits before the hundred years war...

According to Wikipedia and this link (http://gondolin.hist.liv.ac.uk/~azaroth/university/longbow.html), that is.
"The Assize of Arms of 1181 had no mention of bows in it, so at this stage in the late twelfth century they were still not a serious part of the English forces. However in the 1252 Assize their use has been officially sanctioned, and even imposed."

Besides, has anyone ever heard about the usage of lonbows during the first crusades? Me neither...

The reason I'm still yabbling about this issue is the fact that the longbow pretty much makes the knight obsolete, and I just wouldn't like to see that happen just yet :rolleyes: ...


About the janissar issue it seems then that they cannot be fielded in couple hundred of years, right?

Depends when in the Hundred Years' War; arguably they made their debut in the war - and the most infamous battle of the Hundred Years' War was their debut - Crecy and Agincourt.

EDIT: Yeaaa, just saw the by in the post. :(

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The fact that the longbows weren't used in the Crusades does not explicitly prove they did not exist. As in the early days of fighting, fighting with a bow was seen as cowardly, and the men invading the Middle East were very much prideful, moving in to fight for God. And when it comes to loot, archers were historically ripped off, and most of the Crusaders went in for money. Wikipedia is not 100% full proof, dont take what you find there as written law.


Lucky for me, being Eastern and all, I have the composite bow. :D Nonetheless, British Archers were yeomen, so they fought because they were conscripted. The French used more often than not Genoese crossbowmen [and then trampled them, like at Agincourt], so you're right in that particular case.

Janissair infantry: elite slave units of all Sultans, that includes the Otoman, Egyptian and even the Chimerian Khan (in 16-17 century).
They were present from the days of the Turkish wars (9-10. cenutry) for dominance in nowadays Turkey (but they were just brainwashed boys, not slaves), BUT they were known under other names, wich i could not found, so i named them after the name that they had later...
But I will cahnge it if you want.

Many units i posted were not founded by the curent year, or they WERE, but they had outher names.

It seems to me that they weren't used by the Brits before the hundred years war...

According to Wikipedia and this link (http://gondolin.hist.liv.ac.uk/~azaroth/university/longbow.html), that is.
"The Assize of Arms of 1181 had no mention of bows in it, so at this stage in the late twelfth century they were still not a serious part of the English forces. However in the 1252 Assize their use has been officially sanctioned, and even imposed."

Besides, has anyone ever heard about the usage of lonbows during the first crusades? Me neither...

The reason I'm still yabbling about this issue is the fact that the longbow pretty much makes the knight obsolete, and I just wouldn't like to see that happen just yet :rolleyes: ...


About the janissar issue it seems then that they cannot be fielded in couple hundred of years, right?

You asked if they were around--yes. I did not say in widespread use. However given it is not like the mongolian composite recurve horn and bone bows and i is merely a big hunk of elm in a D shape it isnt a great technological advancement--it is a matter of tactics--and Science proves the Scandanavians were using them in 200AD.

OOC: Have you forgotten my claim to the athenian area? And if it is okay shall I start a thread about it or not?

Sorry to be a pain, I'm a n00b

Well, although I don't know a huge amount about this exact period, I'm under the impression that longbows are in use, but aren't realised for the great power they actually are. I'll have to fight a few battles to figure that out.

I'm pretty sure the English had longbows around now, but since the Normans often used knights, again I'm going to need a few battles to figure out how good they are.

Olybrius you can have Athens. Longbows were being used in the game I based this off of and like others have said there is no reason they cant adopt them earlier...Anyone who goes against the pope will have to deal with Spanish-Sicilian steel....Oh and Tunisia is granted and thanks to wolfenbach for takeing a moslem nation!:D

The Name shall The Duchy of Athens, and I couldn't find a former ruler of Athens around the time you suggested so would it be okay if I made a grecian name up?

From the Walesians(sp?) the Brits learnt the possibilities of the weapon as they slaughtered the knight/men-at-arms/hired crossbowmen-army the Englishmen fielded.
That would be the Welsh.:p [/smartalec]

Sure but be reasonable. Use a noble house or something...

WHOA!

Time out.
Sorry to be a pain in the behind history major but;

An Athenian ruler can't be found, because Athens and the rest of Greece, where under Byzantine rule. And considering we already have a Byzantine player, I think it would be up to him.

Sorry for shutting you down again bro, just trying to be historically accurate.

This explains why the Welsh are believed not to have produced the Longbow-- http://www.student.utwente.nl/~sagi/artikel/longbow/longbow.html
Sorry it is this part is where it is at:
http://www.student.utwente.nl/~sagi/artikel/longbow/longbow2.html

So I guess I am no longer Greek, so I just created a useless thread!

here it is : http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=458366

If you want me to change it then tell me.

Can I be The Novgorod Feudal Republic taking number 49?

Also, what year is it, because the Map may be very off depending on whether it is 1087 or 1328.

Its fine.

The map is kinda off. At first we were useing a 1328 map which i used to color in these ares but now we are useing this map. It is currently the last summer RL day of 1088. Tomm. will be winter and the next day is 1089...Oh and you can have Novgorod...

Well itd help if the byzantine player was a tad bit more active and could make those calls wouldnt it?

Yeah, I don't mean to shut you down. Hell, I would love some kind of Greecian help (you can see in the Rhodes Thread), but I just wanted to be fair to the Byzantine player, should he show up...umm...soon?

My heir needs a wife. Does anyone have princess for prince Kalman, the king's nephew?

Yea, Byzantium would be greatly appreciated at the moment in the Rhodes thread.

I gave Byzantine all his lands in anatolia and greece but thats IT. Im sorry Rhodes for the time youve spent on rping an invasion but if you want to you can go for syria which is right between the byzantines and the mameluke Empire. I have also made Athens a vassal of Byzantium...

I've not been active for a reason; I'm researching on 1087 Byzantium and Emperor Manuel. It's reall fascinating; I can't keep my eyes away from the endless treaties, intrigue, etc.

Anyway, enough of that. I'm sorry for not posting anywhere, but that's how I RP. I'm getting a "Byzantine News Thread" up and going as we speak, so, yah.

I'm not sure, but i think i'm the 'dark turkiz' (don't know what that color is), but then, who is the pink (Tunisia), that should be mine!

OK thanks. I wouldnt have mided if you had said that earlier so that I would know.

Yah, man, I know. Been really busy and, like I said, research is taken up my spare time. Almost done, though, so I think I'll be able to RP a fairly realistic Byzantium!

Couple of questions, pointed to our realism/war mods:

1. Did the Englishmen alraedy have longbows at this time?

2. Weren't the janissars Turkish elite (slave-)soldiers, and didn't they exist only several centuries after our current year?1.There is no way to be truly sure about this, but it most likely was not used into at least the English conquest of Wales.
2. Jassinaries were not in existence into the time of the Ottamns rising power and as well many of you are thinking of the slave warrioos delpolyed by Islamic rulers to combat their fellow Moslems. This was due to the fact killing another Muslim, by your hand, was considered far worse then murder.

Quick change of the map: The HRE's province to the N. of Venice should be part of Venice, or at least the coastal portion should, because it contains the city of venice itself. Eventually, most of that area became part of Venice anyway.

DAMNIT I JUST CLOSED THE MAP!!!!!!! Wolfenbach, you are the dark red. Pink is Tunisia and you can ask him for it nicely if you want it that bad...

Ok, my Byzantium thread will be up by the weekend; It'll answer everything to do with the Byzantine Empire that has occured so far. Thanks for staying with me.

How exactly am I going to play this out if you rule me Gupta? Any ideas?

Hey sorry for the late comment, but that little hinge that connects purple with the rest of Italy [the one at the very top of the Adriatic Sea] is where Venice proper is, so it should be under Venician control.

I am just notifying you that I will probably start a war with Croatia soon.

Philanchez, how do you determin how many militia you have?

I'm not sure, but i think i'm the 'dark turkiz' (don't know what that color is), but then, who is the pink (Tunisia), that should be mine!

What? Since when is it your land? :confused:

Well, I'd perfer to stay there, but if you really want it I can move somewhere else.

Edit: If I don't move, here's my page: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=458413

Hey sorry for the late comment, but that little hinge that connects purple with the rest of Italy [the one at the very top of the Adriatic Sea] is where Venice proper is, so it should be under Venician control.
I said that in my last post, but thanks for backing me up.

Not sure if I can still sign up. But if so, would it be possible for me to play as Navarre?

!! NO YOU RUINNED MY PLANS !! Other than that yes of course! I will go about finishing up granada and then attack you. Sound like a plan?

We are currently in need of a player for the Holy Roman EMpire as the last player chose to disobey Admin/Mod ruleings and call the Admin and idiot for giving him a warning after he godmodded in Norways thread by saying he killed the leaders of Norways rebellion although it could have been the leaders of his rebellion but either way its still godmod. the point is we need a new RPer for the HRE who has some experience and doesnt mind obeying the rules.

We are currently in need of a player for the Holy Roman EMpire as the last player chose to disobey Admin/Mod ruleings and call the Admin and idiot for giving him a warning after he godmodded in Norways thread by saying he killed the leaders of Norways rebellion although it could have been the leaders of his rebellion but either way its still godmod. the point is we need a new RPer for the HRE who has some experience and doesnt mind obeying the rules.

Is there any way I can role play the unification of the HRE and Prussia? An early Germanic unification if you will.

I know you can but it will take a long time because you will have to subdue all the princes and force them to accept paganism.

Is there a web site or forum main site for this or is it all on this forum?

Because I would be interested in paying - as pretty much anyone

!! NO YOU RUINNED MY PLANS !! Other than that yes of course! I will go about finishing up granada and then attack you. Sound like a plan?

Hehe, sure thing

I know you can but it will take a long time because you will have to subdue all the princes and force them to accept paganism.

Well, yes, but I would probably convert to Catholicism at some point or another, much like Charlemagne. But yea, it would be a long, drawn out thread.

seriously, I mean where is the link to the main site - or is it this one?

Because I would be willing to be the kingdom of Poland

Ok, my Byzantium thread will be up by the weekend; It'll answer everything to do with the Byzantine Empire that has occured so far. Thanks for staying with me.

Good because i need to speak with you.

This is it. Phenexia... Phil kicked you out.

seriously, I mean where is the link to the main site - or is it this one?

Because I would be willing to be the kingdom of Poland

you aswell

This is it. And sombody needs to tell Phenexia he got kicked, hes still RPin'.

good i was hoping somebody would im going to perth next week thats why imacting so stupid

It Phenixca by the way learn to spell.

good i was hoping somebody would im going to perth next week thats why imacting so stupid

Do you know what the word 'Punctuation' means?

Mate i honestly got better things to do im in a bit of a rush.

Mate i honestly got better things to do im in a bit of a rush.

But you're not in a rush to continue posting or to badger other players on their spelling? Please.

And Philanchez said you are no longer aloud to post in EM threds so stop posting.

Thank you Philanchez for kicking that guy. If you need I'll be the Holy Roman Empire, you can rest assured I won't do anything insane.

*Looks at the unplayed France*

Maybe...

Thank you Philanchez for kicking that guy. If you need I'll be the Holy Roman Empire, you can rest assured I won't do anything insane.

*Looks at the unplayed France*

Maybe...

I wanted to do a Prussian/HRE unification and sorta claimed it, but go ahead and be the HRE.

Well Jagada I kinda need you to stay as the Papacy for now because of the Norwegian thing and now we have Moslem players so yea...i think it woud be good if mac unified them or if someone else took up the HRE.

Well Jagada I kinda need you to stay as the Papacy for now because of the Norwegian thing and now we have Moslem players so yea...i think it woud be good if mac unified them or if someone else took up the HRE.

If in the end Jagada doesn't take the Papacy I'll unify the HRE.

So, since we're RPing an Invasion ANYWAY, and it's likely to be at least partially successful, (we don't even have a Turkish player yet) if its OK with the Byzantine player, can we just give Anatolia to the Turks, so we can continue with our long, drawn out plans?

If theres something that needs to be worked out, just drop me a telegram.

I wanted to do a Prussian/HRE unification and sorta claimed it, but go ahead and be the HRE.

Pope: You just try and I'll excommunicate you.

Aide: Mr.Pope...their pagan.

Pope: DANG IT!

Though seriously...your a Pagan Kingdom (or so I thought you once said), unifying the Holy Roman Empire, that is the center of Catholicism in Europe wouldn't be easy. If you wanted...you could try to take the 'less' Christian provinces and I'll take the 'more' Christian provinces. I get to have my mini-Empire and you get you Pagan Empire.

Deal?

My bad, I applied as Navarre, but apparently from 1076 to 1234 Navarre was attached to Aragon, so scratch that.

It would have to follow realistic patterns. It would most likely start as a pagan expansion into HRE 'owned' Prussian territories [as I've currently role playing the unification of the territory 'under my control' according to the map] and then I would probably have my leader convert to Catholicism, much like Charlegmagne, and from there slowly unite the HRE under Prussian command; it shouldn't matter much to the pope since the HRE and the pope always worked against each other anyways, and I am in fact expanding Catholocism into what are Baltic lands.

EDIT: I suppose a deal with the church wouldn't be too bad; but that would have to be after Aldric converts to catholicism.

Excellent. It wouldn't have to be that long. Think about it, you all the sudden start conquoring the Holy Roman Empire, the princes panic and look for an ally. The Kind and Noble Pope Urban II stands in Rome with arms open and says: "Come to me, my children". They believe you won't willing to go war with the Papacy for fear of France, Britian, Sciliy, Erie, and rest of Christendom massing you with all they got to defend the Pope. So they join up, they keep their power, but in a move I take absolute control. How? Who dare question the Pope?

It would be realistic, more realistic than a former Pagan giving lands to the church.

My claims are small: all the provinces around the Green Province Numbered 8. Those will be mine, and you get everything else. That being generious I would think.

Alright, sounds good. I'll start a thread tomorrow about the issue, and I have to re-write my original thread...it sucked..and then I have to reply to our other war. :headbang:

Agreed. See this didn't have to end in mass bloodshed....well for me and you anyway.

*Looks at the HRE and shakes his head*

Seems like my news thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=457928) isn't in the list yet. Phil propably missed it under all the conversastion that took place just after I posted the link. Anyways, would you please add it now?

What is open? Your nation label system is excellent except when it comes to what account controls what RL territory. So I ask, do any German provinces open or may be open? I am maybe preferring Prussia or the Saar and Rhineland regions. I hope someone of importnace can get back to me.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10070547#post10070547

Here's my thread

What is open? Your nation label system is excellent except when it comes to what account controls what RL territory. So I ask, do any German provinces open or may be open? I am maybe preferring Prussia or the Saar and Rhineland regions. I hope someone of importnace can get back to me.

Prussia, and soon most of Germany, is mine.

There are 2 links for my thred in the main post.

I want to hopefully unite Kiev soon, so any help in this matter would be greatly appreciated (hints to Novgorod, Hungary, Poland, Germany, Byzantine)