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Alright, so two things. First kraven, I dont know if you have taken losses for my missile strike or my bombing runs yet, but if not please do. Let me explain my bombing run in more detail.

The bombers dropped multiple forms of munitions depending on their targets. A great deal of the bombs were, in fact bomblets though. This is for two reasons. A: It helps them get passed anti missiles systems and B: With the proper explosive even a bomblet can penetrate through a good deal of armor. Still their were some conventional bombs and missiles used, but let me explain the bomblets.

After the bombs are dropped, while still at very high altitude, the bombs break up into the bomblets. Normally this would cause a massive spread of munitions, but each bomb's bomblets are "tied" into a network of magnets. Magnets on each bomblet keep it in close proximity to other, but are not so strong tht they are pulled together. The magnets themselves are dynamic, changing force to ensure that a cluster does not collapse onto itself or fall to pieces. In the center of the cluster and at its perimeter there are small guided munitions, these contain no warheads, but make sure the cluster hits its target. There are three types of bomblets dropped, anti infantry, anti road and runway, and anti armor. The anti infantry ones are pretty self explanitory, and the runway ones are designed to penetrate through concrete and explode below its surface. Now the unique ones are the SEFOP rounds.

SEFOP is short for self forging projectiles. These work in similar ways to HEAT rounds, but are immune to regular anti HEAT armor, such as ERA or electro reactive armor. As a solid slug is formed on impact, and fired out at about 8 kilometers per hour. Its basically like getting hit with a KE rounds from an inch off your armor that is moving at several miles per second. Needless to say the damage and penetration is impressive. Most can penetrate about twenty feet of armor, but this is all reletive. It will be far less on a peacemaker, but far more on regular earth. So if you had anything around that area, please take some losses. They would have targeted anything that looked nice and tasty. This includes, roads, tanks, infantry, trenches, peacemakers or whatever. On a peacemaker, it may have had three or four waves of armor piercing bomblets coming towards it, where as a squad of CP would have a single anti infantry barrage.

Also targetting. The majority of the bombs and what not are targetted via laser or beam tracing technology. However, for more evasive targets, once again the peacemaker is a case in point (nothin personal but they can do so much that they are fit for a lot of examples) they would be targeted via radiation trackers. A number of support planes in the armada and a few bombers themselves could irradiate a tiny portion of eart, metal, whatever from multiple miles away via a devise similar to a laser, but it does not fire photons, but radioactive particles. The munitions would then home in on this instead of a laser if told to do so.


Sorry, i was well aware of the Attack, i tried finding the post but couldn't pin point it, if you could pass on a Page number and Post number, ill sort it out

I will find the page numbers in a second, but want to say something first.

While I am a bit bummed this may lead to my nation's destruction, as either way my nation is destroyed now. Either by Automagfreek, or the Northlands. I dont think I would accept the treaty, so we will most likely have war of some sort. Just a warning though, if you do attack my nation, you will be entering heroic tech, which is very close to fantasy tech, at least when you are near the northslands, so be ready to RP in a different way than normal. I wont force my RP style on people, but when invading my nation there are things such as The Emperor you may have to face.

I think at the end of all this, a new government of mine will rise from the ashes, most likely in the control of those from the Northlands.

Although I may just accept the treaty and let the northern line fail. What lives up there will be a challenge for anyone who does not know how to deal with it.

I will find the page numbers in a second, but want to say something first.

While I am a bit bummed this may lead to my nation's destruction, as either way my nation is destroyed now. Either by Automagfreek, or the Northlands. I dont think I would accept the treaty, so we will most likely have war of some sort. Just a warning though, if you do attack my nation, you will be entering heroic tech, which is very close to fantasy tech, at least when you are near the northslands, so be ready to RP in a different way than normal. I wont force my RP style on people, but when invading my nation there are things such as The Emperor you may have to face.

I think at the end of all this, a new government of mine will rise from the ashes, most likely in the control of those from the Northlands.

Although I may just accept the treaty and let the northern line fail. What lives up there will be a challenge for anyone who does not know how to deal with it.


In the event that the Nortline fails, we will build a wall similar to the Crab wall from L5R, i have no problem with entering Fantasy tech, as it will add a little spice to the RP, as long as we can agree terms, then im sure it will be fine, it would be interesting to see Technology over come by something that can't be understood, and instead of beating it, building a wall to keep it on one side,

Even though your nation is facing imminent destruction, this can lead to some very interesting RP opportunities for you, as you have said a new government, you could bring your Herotech to the forefront of your nation, or for example, start a resistance RP based around the ongoing occupation of your nation

the possibilites are endless

I think that the next time we all decide to RP with PMT, we need to list our technologies. PMT is a touchy area of RP, I'm sure everyone will agree, and we need to set the standards.

What do you guys think?

In the event that the Nortline fails, we will build a wall similar to the Crab wall from L5R, i have no problem with entering Fantasy tech, as it will add a little spice to the RP, as long as we can agree terms, then im sure it will be fine, it would be interesting to see Technology over come by something that can't be understood, and instead of beating it, building a wall to keep it on one side,

Even though your nation is facing imminent destruction, this can lead to some very interesting RP opportunities for you, as you have said a new government, you could bring your Herotech to the forefront of your nation, or for example, start a resistance RP based around the ongoing occupation of your nation

the possibilites are endless

I think it's time to dust off your old Sliver buddies Kraven. They're originally Fantasy Tech anyway...

I think that the next time we all decide to RP with PMT, we need to list our technologies. PMT is a touchy area of RP, I'm sure everyone will agree, and we need to set the standards.

What do you guys think?

That's why I moved to FT, it's too hard to draw the line in PMT, use too much MT and you'll be slaughtered, use too much FT and you'll be ignored, so I just went all out FT and had fun with it.

Personally I think it takes more skill to RP PMT than it does just about anything else.

I think it's time to dust off your old Sliver buddies Kraven. They're originally Fantasy Tech anyway...

Oh dear....

:D Good times i remember, one of my first RP's was the encounter with Slivers in BMG's territory during my first annexion or attempted annexion

That's why I moved to FT, it's too hard to draw the line in PMT, use too much MT and you'll be slaughtered, use too much FT and you'll be ignored, so I just went all out FT and had fun with it.

Personally I think it takes more skill to RP PMT than it does just about anything else.

Can i ask a question, why do you still RP with my PMT nation? I noticed you mentioned it before, im just wondering?

Dont know how well a wall would work out, but it sure would help your economy. Being war based, there will be a constant assault on whatever line you draw. Dont leave a wall ungaurded, however, as whats up there is more than capable of bipassing even the most advanced automated systems. Now you probably wont know what to pack to defeat these guys, so you will have to improvise when the shit hits the fan, or whatever.

Can i ask a question, why do you still RP with my PMT nation? I noticed you mentioned it before, im just wondering?

Because your RPs are always interesting, for example, that freaky ass minotaur in the last RP with the Manchillians... That and I maintain a vague presence in all of the RP Tech levels, this is my PMT persona, and you're about the only PMT nation I've ever had any dealings with and enjoyed.

I will find the page numbers in a second, but want to say something first.

While I am a bit bummed this may lead to my nation's destruction, as either way my nation is destroyed now. Either by Automagfreek, or the Northlands. I dont think I would accept the treaty, so we will most likely have war of some sort. Just a warning though, if you do attack my nation, you will be entering heroic tech, which is very close to fantasy tech, at least when you are near the northslands, so be ready to RP in a different way than normal. I wont force my RP style on people, but when invading my nation there are things such as The Emperor you may have to face.

I think at the end of all this, a new government of mine will rise from the ashes, most likely in the control of those from the Northlands.

Although I may just accept the treaty and let the northern line fail. What lives up there will be a challenge for anyone who does not know how to deal with it.


You know, this Scenario vaguely rewminds me of a book series I once read called A Song of Ice and Fire, the North was very cold, and full of very bad things, and the only defense was the Sworn Brothers of the Nights Watch, who guarded the Long Wall... I see similarities here...

You know, this Scenario vaguely rewminds me of a book series I once read called A Song of Ice and Fire, the North was very cold, and full of very bad things, and the only defense was the Sworn Brothers of the Nights Watch, who guarded the Long Wall... I see similarities here...

Never read it, but the similarities are striking. Oh, and trust me, some things in the northland are very... very... evil. Some, however, are not. I may shift into fantasy tech for a bit as I think I will be RP'ing them for quite some time. I have my game plan, and it will be put into effect later today. I think I will be starting a new thread for it.

Basically...
As many people as we can get out of our nation are evacuated
This means we will appeal to the international comunity to take them in
Once as many people as we can spare are gone, we will abandon the northern line. Our armies will pull out to defend those are in danger.
The land will be left to the beasts, and for you guys to take care of. ;p
Hopefully, or my leaders intent, will be to have you guys wipe yourselves out or at least weaken each other enough to get back our lands.

Never read it, but the similarities are striking. Oh, and trust me, some things in the northland are very... very... evil. Some, however, are not. I may shift into fantasy tech for a bit as I think I will be RP'ing them for quite some time. I have my game plan, and it will be put into effect later today. I think I will be starting a new thread for it.

Basically...
As many people as we can get out of our nation are evacuated
This means we will appeal to the international comunity to take them in
Once as many people as we can spare are gone, we will abandon the northern line. Our armies will pull out to defend those are in danger.
The land will be left to the beasts, and for you guys to take care of. ;p
Hopefully, or my leaders intent, will be to have you guys wipe yourselves out or at least weaken each other enough to get back our lands.

I'll pull y old semi-fantasy army out of retirement, the Sliver Swarms are once again rampant on NS!!!

Because your RPs are always interesting, for example, that freaky ass minotaur in the last RP with the Manchillians... That and I maintain a vague presence in all of the RP Tech levels, this is my PMT persona, and you're about the only PMT nation I've ever had any dealings with and enjoyed.

Cool, i thank you very much, Im never sure anyone enjoys my RP's

Never read it, but the similarities are striking. Oh, and trust me, some things in the northland are very... very... evil. Some, however, are not. I may shift into fantasy tech for a bit as I think I will be RP'ing them for quite some time. I have my game plan, and it will be put into effect later today. I think I will be starting a new thread for it.


I've been RPing AMF as part fantasy since September '03, so I won't ignore your use of it.

Cool, i thank you very much, Im never sure anyone enjoys my RP's

It gets a little macabre sometimes, but I enjoy being able to butcher things with absolute certainty that I have the moral high ground, and fighting you was always a good way to achieve that objective.

I've been RPing AMF as part fantasy since September '03, so I won't ignore your use of it.

Heh, my version of fantasy gets rather messy pretty quick, especially when you get into the more interesting of the Slivers and their rather macabre abilities... mmmm Crypt Slivers are fun... Never had to use them before, but I might find myself doing it if this gets nasty enough.

Heh, my version of fantasy gets rather messy pretty quick, especially when you get into the more interesting of the Slivers and their rather macabre abilities... mmmm Crypt Slivers are fun... Never had to use them before, but I might find myself doing it if this gets nasty enough.

Not super familiar on Slivers, other that they are from magic and have one arm. Now the stuff in the north lands is very strong, but they are not unstopable, and if you know their weaknesses they are actually not that strong. Now, there are some terrible things up there, but they are "contained" so to speak at the moment and you are not likely to face them unless you venture too deep into the wood and delve to far within its winding branches.

You know, this Scenario vaguely rewminds me of a book series I once read called A Song of Ice and Fire, the North was very cold, and full of very bad things, and the only defense was the Sworn Brothers of the Nights Watch, who guarded the Long Wall... I see similarities here...
Speaking of which, is Feast for Crows out yet? I wanna know what happens to the last Dragon!

When there hasn't been any arguing it's been interesting to read, however to much arguing for my tastes for me to take part in it.

Speaking of which, is Feast for Crows out yet? I wanna know what happens to the last Dragon!

It comes out sometime this month, I wanna know what's going on with Jon, he's the one to watch, Lord Commander and all that, and now Heir to Winterfell... Since all the true born kids are allegedly dead after all...

Er, Velkya, ice sheet. :)

Not super familiar on Slivers, other that they are from magic and have one arm. Now the stuff in the north lands is very strong, but they are not unstopable, and if you know their weaknesses they are actually not that strong. Now, there are some terrible things up there, but they are "contained" so to speak at the moment and you are not likely to face them unless you venture too deep into the wood and delve to far within its winding branches.

That's about it, except mine are armor grafted and armed with grafted weapons as well, like Bolters...

Er, Velkya, ice sheet. :)

There's a reason I dropped that many bombs, AN.

You know, I have been thinking about my nation after its likely obliteration... and I must say. I am looking forward to its future. After all is said and done, it is going to be a very dark and evil place. I mean... I am going to try and go for a darkness and evil beyond any NS has ever seen.

You know, I have been thinking about my nation after its likely obliteration... and I must say. I am looking forward to its future. After all is said and done, it is going to be a very dark and evil place. I mean... I am going to try and go for a darkness and evil beyond any NS has ever seen.


Talk to Chronosia, or even Kraven, they can give you a few pointers on being both evil and seemingly dark and insane.


I'm much too bloodthirsty to be either Good or Evil, I simply exist.

Side Note: in FT, my nations main religion is Armaghan Satanism, which is basically episcopaleanism without the trinity and a measure of Satan thrown in for good measure, it's a very Good religion, ironically...

I think Kraven and Imperial Raven just set a world bench mark on dark and evil.

I think Kraven and Imperial Raven just set a world bench mark on dark and evil.


Pfft, you haven't seen anything yet.

I know, but my evil will be very different then that of Kraven's. Dont worry, you guys will see. As a matter of fact, hold on a sec, maybe I can find another nation I have posted on to give you a taste. brb

Nah, this is back-stabbing. Evil is sacrificing an entire planet for alchemical research, as well as various planet-killings where the souls of the victims are fed to the Dark Gods. Chronos does very good evil, albeit in a somewhat melodramatic fashion.

Er, Velkya, ice sheet. :)

Also, you do know what an LCAC is, right?

If you don't it is essentially a large hovercraft that takes the role of the Higgins landing craft.

Except mine are quite big and carry several tank guns and a few machineguns for support.

I think Kraven and Imperial Raven just set a world bench mark on dark and evil.

Not even close, Chronosia makes them look like friendly little children, remember, a Bloodthirster of Khorne is NOT your friend, no matter what the Primarch tells you...

Pfft, you haven't seen anything yet.

Uh oh.

Just as a note, that laser circuit from the resource satellite will be visible to anyone in the hemisphere...

Not even close, Chronosia makes them look like friendly little children, remember, a Bloodthirster of Khorne is NOT your friend, no matter what the Primarch tells you...
Nah, the Bloodthirster ain't bad, it's the Keeper of Secrets you've got to watch your back(side) for.

Nah, this is back-stabbing. Evil is sacrificing an entire planet for alchemical research, as well as various planet-killings where the souls of the victims are fed to the Dark Gods. Chronos does very good evil, albeit in a somewhat melodramatic fashion.

He is a Chaos nation, Drama is what he does my friend, it's part of being Chaos you know... That and being evil...

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=413115

That is an old thread from when I was starting NS. I could go more evil, but I though that was enough for that nation. I plan on doing something along those lines... but worse. Going to start writing my "death" thread now.

Nah, the Bloodthirster ain't bad, it's the Keeper of Secrets you've got to watch your back(side) for.

Sayas you, right up until it pops through your monitor and eats you, and you experience it, even after it removes your head.

You know, Infinite Crucible, there's no reason for your nation to be utterly dead. It's quite possible that if you serve us well, you may reap some rewards from the plans us four are going to implement :)

Sounds tempting, but I have only just begun to develope my nation, so I dont have too much of an attraction to it. I am perfectly fine letting its ashed be scattered the wind in a most epic and glorious fashion.

Here are the 3 reasons why I'm choosing to ignore AN's laser attack.

1: Lasers that powerful cannot be built using PMT technology. The most powerful lasers are those used onboard Anti-Missile Laser Stations, which are designed to destory missiles, not SDs.

2. Where did this Sky Fleet come from, suddenly coming over my fleet and targeting my ships. Should you have gotten anywhere near the Velkyan Fleet, your airfleet would have been shredded by the tens of thousands of Phalanx II CICW systems and SAM batteries, along with the air wings of 10 carriers.

3. I never agreed to this type of tech, so this attack is invalid.

AN, if you would like to post a defense, please do so.

Kraven did say no super death killer lasers, hence why I did not use mine.

Kraven did say no super death killer lasers, hence why I did not use mine.

He's Right AN, you've got nothing to stand on for this one.

You know, I really think there should be a OOC conference on what exactly defines PMT, because things like this shouldn't happen.

Err... chief, that was a particle gun, not a laser. You ought to read his airship profiles sometime.

With that in mind, just thought I'd let you know that there's no way a Peacemaker can bombard Concermo from well up in Kraven's original territory.

Err... chief, that was a particle gun, not a laser. You ought to read his airship profiles sometime.

With that in mind, just thought I'd let you know that there's no way a Peacemaker can bombard Concermo from well up in Kraven's original territory.

I think PPCs still qualify buddy...

:rolleyes: Read the profile on the Merethyn Gunship in my tech thread. The laser isn't attacking anything, it's simply there to act as a lock-on beam to the microwave reciever array on the airship. The other laser, the LIDAR one, is there to allow the airship to TARGET things.

It hasn't actually fired yet-- I'm doing that in my next post.

So my diplomat was not lying about the northlands. This may be my best NS post to date, though with only 400 ish... RP with me continues here.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=453436

Hey, I'm FT. As I've said before Kraven is the only PMT nation I still involve myself with, for this very reason.

I just stayed MT. I figured FT would just be like PMT but in space so i have avoided both.

You know, I'm taking some time off from NS. I really don't need to bother with all this anymore. I have school, soccer, my clan, and my friends, and arguging about whether PPCs consititute PMT is not high on my priority list right now.

See ya'll later. All Velkyan troops are now considered at home and in stasis. When I get back, I'm definatly making the jump to FT, or jumping out of NS altogether.

Later guys.

OK, after some discussion with Kraven, and in the interests of preventing further OOC bickering, I've edited the post so I'm sending in some armor and mechanized infantry with air cover instead.

So, uh, yeah. With Velkya vanishing, what happens now? Who's left attacking Kraven?

So, uh, yeah. With Velkya vanishing, what happens now? Who's left attacking Kraven?

Erm... no one i think...

EIther way, the Consortium is Going to bring every AKA nation into line with the new Treaty by force, New thread comming up soon as soon as i can think of an interesting name for the RP

OOC: Awesome Post AMF, Just wondering who is the Demoness Whore Rayne?


OOC: A former AMF leader that assassinated Damien back in the day, almost 2 years ago. She was killed by The One Who Shall Remain Unnamed when Damien was resurrected, her soul cast into the Tomb of the Mutilated. I brought her back at the start of 2005 for the 2nd AMF Civil War. I can pull up my index of threads regarding the incident of you'd like.

I didn't feel like cluttering the other thread, as it seems to be going well.

Well... I never sent a rep to the treaty meeting, and I did launch some missiles at Kraven, ICBM's, but with only non-nuke warheads. (Napalm and conventional military explosives.)

Hopefully I'm not the only one fighting the Consortium, it'll be pretty one-sided.

Well... I never sent a rep to the treaty meeting, and I did launch some missiles at Kraven, ICBM's, but with only non-nuke warheads. (Napalm and conventional military explosives.)

Hopefully I'm not the only one fighting the Consortium, it'll be pretty one-sided.

Yeah, you may want to retreat at this point and admit defeat in your offensive. :)

Yeah, you may want to retreat at this point and admit defeat in your offensive. :)

Yes Kahanistan, I would pull back as fast as your forces can... Arrgh... Ye'd Best Batten Down thar's Hatches... Fer a Storm is Brewin'! arrghh.....

Yes Kahanistan, I would pull back as fast as your forces can... Arrgh... Ye'd Best Batten Down thar's Hatches... Fer a Storm is Brewin'! arrghh.....

*thwap*

Sucks for me... Crucible was going to invade me now i've got nothing if i haven't been ignored.

Sucks for me... Crucible was going to invade me now i've got nothing if i haven't been ignored.

You could ride along with someone else headed to make trouble for Kahanistan. :)

Sucks for me... Crucible was going to invade me now i've got nothing if i haven't been ignored.

You should be happy I did not invade you, striking you into nothingness... lol :p Just kidding. If you want to RP with my, go to the War Undone by War thread. Be careful though. Getting invovled in that RP is risky business.

If you invaded me i would have ordered all the children in my nation to eat your soldiers! But with the compleate lack of air force (then) my babies on hangliders would have been for nothing...

As a slave... i mean ally of Kraven's I'm bound to destroy kahanistan...

But im intreseted in the war undone by war rp, what is that one about?

Its really the first thread that is going to lead into something much much bigger, but for right now it is about people investigating what happened to my nation. While preparing my defenses for an invasion from the Consortium all contact with my nation was lost. Thos who have arrived have found a wasteland of sorts, and some rather unpleasent inhabitents. Read it, its only four pages and is pretty good.

You could ride along with someone else headed to make trouble for Kahanistan. :)

Is that an invatation to use your countries transports to get my army to Kahanistan? Becuase technicly not all my Vtols would get the whole thing over there in one go...