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OOC thread for War on Kraven IC thread. Please don't post IC here, and don't post OOC there.

Link to War on Kraven IC thread: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=452059

Close the thread, make it invite only i think we have enough people already

Okay.

OOC:
I'll probably join in though, fighting Civitas Americae for him not paying my nation back for the damages he did to my orbital satelites. If anyone has a problem with that you can adress me on my MSN or Yahoo. I will be gone for 30 minutes starting when i post this, so if you IM me, give me time to reply.

MSN = willmore999@hotmail.com
Yahoo = willmore999

So do you guys think we, the attackers, have any chance of winning this? I wont back down, but I am curious as to what you guys think. Well lets see how their tactics are, maybe we will make it. Also dont worry about Bretton's Peacemakers. In fact dont worry about any monstrous ships, land vehicles, or whatever. Of all things, they are the easiest to kill, and the most costly to loose.

Edit: I think I just got a great idea to take out the hostile navies that will almost certainly surround Kraven. If we pull it off... we may just win. TG for the plan, this one must be kept secret until sprung.

So do you guys think we, the attackers, have any chance of winning this?

In my opinion the odds are absurdly stacked against the AKA. Every man and his dog seems to have stood up to "defend Kraven's sovereignty".

Well, AN's attack did mess up my orbital array, but he did one bad thing.

I know where his SDI and missile stations are now.

ALSO, just to let everyone know, I'm switiching out my Law and Order budget with my defence budget to reflect war-time changes.

Any chance I can get a map of Kraven? It's kinda hard to plan defenses/attacks without knowing where you're going.

There's one in the Thought Criminals OOC thread, I believe.

I think that since I already have troops en route to Kravens territory, and since they'll be there during the attack, I have a vested interest in being involved with this RP.

Just a note Holy Paradise, the Ticonderoga is a cruiser, not a destroyer.

I sent Kraven my plan and am waiting his approval. I figured he should know as it is pretty destructive, with almost no chance of retaliation, scatch that, none. It also happens to leave a massive portion of someone's fleet at the bottom of the sea.

Holy Paradise, how exactly are you launching cruise missiles? The AKA's GPS sats have taken a beating so I don't see how you're guiding them other than by inertial guidance.

Holy Paradise, how exactly are you launching cruise missiles? The AKA's GPS sats have taken a beating so I don't see how you're guiding them other than by inertial guidance.

There are multiple GPS systems, including commercial, you know.

Just a note Holy Paradise, the Ticonderoga is a cruiser, not a destroyer.
Close enough, lol.

There are multiple GPS systems, including commercial, you know.

Ah, but it would be unwise to allow his missiles to recieve GPS transmissions from any source without it being a trusted source... for obvious reasons.

Ah, but it would be unwise to allow his missiles to recieve GPS transmissions from any source without it being a trusted source... for obvious reasons.

True, but you easily solve that by using multiple services to validate each other. And allied and commercial services are trustworthy by default (one is allied, and the other would go bankrupt if they proved untrustworthy).

True, but you easily solve that by using multiple services to validate each other. And allied and commercial services are trustworthy by default (one is allied, and the other would go bankrupt if they proved untrustworthy).

I believe that by "trusted" he means one that can't be hacked or otherwise damaged very easily.

Holy Paradise, how exactly are you launching cruise missiles? The AKA's GPS sats have taken a beating so I don't see how you're guiding them other than by inertial guidance.

Not mine. The Velkyan GPS system is 60 percent operational, still, and remaining sattlelites have made orbital corrections to fall in with AML platforms.

I believe that by "trusted" he means one that can't be hacked or otherwise damaged very easily.

Like allied and commercial GPS systems (remember, if your GPS data can't be trusted, you won't have customers). That's also why you use multiple feeds to throw out the ones that have been compromised.

In Axis Nova (and closer to Kraven, in Numonica), skyship after skyship heaves itself off the ground. More carriers, cargo ships, frigates, corvettes, destroyers, a dreadnought.

Uh, I thought this was PMT, not fantasy or future tech.

Also, GPS jammers are not foolproof (they were rather useless in Gulf War II), nor do cruise missiles not have backup systems.

Uh, I thought this was PMT, not fantasy or future tech.

Also, GPS jammers are not foolproof (they were rather useless in Gulf War II), nor do cruise missiles not have backup systems.

This is true, however, jammers mounted in something with both fusion reactors and extreme broadcasting power will be far more effective than the cheap crap the Russians sell.

Also, check my tech thread. Skyships are gigantic fusion powered heavier than air craft-- not fantasy or future tech in any way. They require long runways (in most cases) to take off and land, just like Bretton's big transports.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=386733

As the two Holy Paradise ICBMs slowly rise into orbit, their paths are terminated in a most spectacular way as a parasite X-ray laser bomb moves into their trajectory and detonates, perforating everything in a wide area around it with X-Ray laser beams, the nuclear explosion behind them providing more than enough power to do the job.


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In Kraven, the forces from Kahanistan have already arrived; the two carriers orbit overhead, and their advanced HSCDEADG Radar tracks everything for thousands of miles, relaying the data to allied forces and acting as mobile command and control centers.

Recieving info from SDI Command that the enemy's GPS network has not been completely eradicated, the two carriers immediately power up GPS Jammers: with those active, no cruise missiles can be used, be either allies or enemies. While not a serious handicap to the Kraven forces due to fighting defensively and not attacking land targets, such a handicap would definitely throw a wrench in the works of the AKA...

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In Axis Nova (and closer to Kraven, in Numonica), skyship after skyship heaves itself off the ground. More carriers, cargo ships, frigates, corvettes, destroyers, a dreadnought... a massive aerial fleet, the likes of which the world has not seen since the ill-fated war with Coreworlds, forms up and begins moving out towards Kraven, probing the skies around them aggressively in search of any threats.
Sorry, Axis, but I'm going to have to ignore that post. Civitas is right, this is PMT, not FT.

This is true, however, jammers mounted in something with both fusion reactors and extreme broadcasting power will be far more effective than the cheap crap the Russians sell.

Also, check my tech thread. Skyships are gigantic fusion powered heavier than air craft-- not fantasy or future tech in any way. They require long runways (in most cases) to take off and land, just like Bretton's big transports.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=386733
Well, that's fine, to a point.

But X-ray laser bombs? WTF?

No, these are basically massive airships. While their existence is questionable, I'm choosing to allow them, since they are pretty much PMT.

Well, fusion would be possible now or in the near future, but it wouldn't be practical. Currently, it takes more energy from other sources to even start a fusion reaction. So, you're sky ships would have to be immense, and they would require a lot of fossil fuel energy to power said fusion reactions.

Same with the GPS jammers

No, these are basically massive airships. While their existence is questionable, I'm choosing to allow them, since they are pretty much PMT.
Fine.

But X-ray laser bombs?

No, these are basically massive airships. While their existence is questionable, I'm choosing to allow them, since they are pretty much PMT.


At what point do you have FT then? Two-kilometer long flying ships are ridiculous.


But X-ray laser bombs? WTF?


It's a laser powered by a nuke going off. SDI was going to use them if it was ever built.

Well, that's fine, to a point.

But X-ray laser bombs? WTF?

The US experimented with them as part of the SDI program during the cold war. Basically you surround a small nuclear bomb with a whole crapload of glass tubes. When it goes off, the radiation propagates faster than the blast wave, and thus the X-rays enter the glass tubes and are focused into laser beams (xasers if you want to get technical) before the blast wave catches up and vaporizes everything.

They're also known as bomb-pumped lasers in some circles.

They would have formed the basis of an orbital SDI network, but as a treaty was signed forbidding nuclear weapons in space, the idea was dumped. However, as no such treaty exists in Nationstates, I use them as a major component of my SDI system. They're quite good for this due to being able to hit MANY targets at once-- one would be sufficient to handle all the missiles from a single ICBM field.

Basically more or less the perfect SDI weapon considering the incredible number of missiles assorted NS nations possess. Keeping a lot of these in orbit and manufacturing/deploying more when neccesary is far cheaper than developing and maintaining a strategic nuclear program of my own. I prefer mutually assured survival, not mutually assured destruction :)

Edit: BTW, if you guys need to talk to me in real time, my IM service info is as follows:

MSN: gundamexodes@hotmail.com
AIM: neueziel2
Yahoo: zuul12345

Also my email is jtrainor@gmail.com. I prefer that instead of NS's telegram service.

Same here, although the AUV still mantains a medium nuclear program, it concentrates more on defence, hence the many anti-missile space based weapons.

With this current situation being my first major RP, I am swamped with all that is going on...having to monitor 6 different threads...I've lost track of it all. All I know is that Axis Nova attacked satellites, War was declared on Kraven Corp and to top it all off I don't know who's on who's side. What are some good ways at dealing with this?

Well, if Bretton thought that their little trick would work on our cruise missiles (which are the vast majority of missiles heading in, at slightly over a thousand compared to fifty) there's a few slight problems:
1. GPS is a backup system.
2. We don't allow for retargetting like that.

What are some good ways at dealing with this?

Launch all nukes ;)

With this current situation being my first major RP, I am swamped with all that is going on...having to monitor 6 different threads...I've lost track of it all. All I know is that Axis Nova attacked satellites, War was declared on Kraven Corp and to top it all off I don't know who's on who's side. What are some good ways at dealing with this?

Experience, and asking questions like you just did.

I know me, AN, and Kraven are on one side, with the AKA on the other, but other than that I have no idea.

Well, if Bretton thought that their little trick would work on our cruise missiles (which are the vast majority of missiles heading in, at slightly over a thousand compared to fifty) there's a few slight problems:
1. GPS is a backup system.
2. We don't allow for retargetting like that.

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/smart/agm-86c.htm

Guidance System: Litton Inertial Navigation Element integrated with an onboard Global Positioning System

You did say AGM-86C ;)

Also, the missile doesn't know it's retargeted; all it knows is to follow the onboard GPS coordinates.

Keep your missiles away from the peacemakers, I will handle them.

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/smart/agm-86c.htm

Guidance System: Litton Inertial Navigation Element integrated with an onboard Global Positioning System

You did say AGM-86C ;)

Also, the missile doesn't know it's retargeted; all it knows is to follow the onboard GPS coordinates.

Yes. The GPS acts as a back up (and fine tuning) to the inertial navigation and terrain following. Also, you missed my point: You CAN'T retarget the missile that way. Physically impossible.

I think you have missed the point.

Ever examined a Litton navigation element before? Unless you've taken precision topographic scans from orbit of The Kraven Corporation, and damn detailed ones at that, the element won't be able to properly navigate the missile, at which time the GPS guidance would take over.

(1) I highly doubt you've spent the time to make numerous orbital topographic scans of the entire Kraven Corporation before this conflict commenced.

(2) If you haven't it's far too late now.

As far as corrupting a GPS signal, that's easier than you think. On a modern GPS reciever, all you have to do is put a direct frequency between the reciever and its transmitters. With the advent of laser communication in the Post-Modern Tech era, this is even easier. If I need to explain it in complete detail, I will.

I think you have missed the point.

Ever examined a Litton navigation element before? Unless you've taken precision topographic scans from orbit of The Kraven Corporation, and damn detailed ones at that, the element won't be able to properly navigate the missile, at which time the GPS guidance would take over.

(1) I highly doubt you've spent the time to make numerous orbital topographic scans of the entire Kraven Corporation before this conflict commenced.

(2) If you haven't it's far too late now.

We have. Past bit of nastiness with them.



As far as corrupting a GPS signal, that's easier than you think. On a modern GPS reciever, all you have to do is put a direct frequency between the reciever and its transmitters. With the advent of laser communication in the Post-Modern Tech era, this is even easier. If I need to explain it in complete detail, I will.

Given that those missiles don't have a system for laser retargeting, I would appreciate you telling me how precisely that is managed.

There's a difference between laser re-targeting and laser interruption. The laser communication simply blots out the parts of the GPS frequency it doesn't want to get in. By putting a "filter" for the ones and zeroes to fly through, only the data that the Peacemaker wants to get through does so. You re-arrange the code properly and the missile's targeting coordinates and launch coordinates perform a 180.

As far as the topographical scans go, very well. If you've actually gone to guns with Kraven before, you've got that going for you. However, the moment the guidance system asks for a GPS correction, it's in trouble. If you were wise, you'd have your missiles programmed to self-ditch if their GPS coordinates and inertial guidance didn't match, which is what I've done on my missiles.

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Xirnium, you've got a defense sector of around $200 billion. Are you sure you've got the cash to throw around that kind of navy so easily...?

There's a difference between laser re-targeting and laser interruption. The laser communication simply blots out the parts of the GPS frequency it doesn't want to get in. By putting a "filter" for the ones and zeroes to fly through, only the data that the Peacemaker wants to get through does so. You re-arrange the code properly and the missile's targeting coordinates and launch coordinates perform a 180.

Ok, thanks.


As far as the topographical scans go, very well. If you've actually gone to guns with Kraven before, you've got that going for you. However, the moment the guidance system asks for a GPS correction, it's in trouble. If you were wise, you'd have your missiles programmed to self-ditch if their GPS coordinates and inertial guidance didn't match, which is what I've done on my missiles.

Ours are programmed to ditch the GPS if it doesn't match up. Doesn't much matter if they go do a 180 though, since all they'd hit is water.

My troops are on there way.

Xirnium, you've got a defense sector of around $200 billion. Are you sure you've got the cash to throw around that kind of navy so easily...?

He'a receiving help from me.

He'a receiving help from me.

An has all the available funding of the Infinite Empire.

I sugjest we make one big fleet with our ships.

Right, regarding the map in another thread, could I get a link to said thread at least? I'm running around the forums and haven't found it yet...

The ships of the Holy Empire of Saint Fedski shall sail within the range or arial protection from the fleet, but shall operate as an independent entity.

There's a difference between laser re-targeting and laser interruption. The laser communication simply blots out the parts of the GPS frequency it doesn't want to get in. By putting a "filter" for the ones and zeroes to fly through, only the data that the Peacemaker wants to get through does so. You re-arrange the code properly and the missile's targeting coordinates and launch coordinates perform a 180.


This does not seem to add up. You state you are using a laser interrupter correct? Well to be able to interrupty the exact zeroes and ones you needed to to cause any change in programming would require a detailed knowledge of that programming itself, which I am sure you do not have. Therefore this who idea would do nothing. Second the interruption would only last as long as it was in laser range, or am I wrong. How exactly does its effects linger? Nothing is adding up.

Now I could understand a data link between the peacemaker and the missile which would allow reprogramming as I doubt missiles have extensive defense in this term. Otherwise I dont see this working.

Believe it or not, GPS uses a pretty similar code sequence from satellite to satellite. Originally, civilian GPS recievers were intentionally limited in terms of effectiveness, but in recent years this limitation has been deleted.

GPS transmitters and recievers all operate under different frequencies to prevent their transmissions from becoming convoluted, but the difference in the actual coding itself is small. It's simply a matter of projecting the proper laser communication beam between the transmitter and reciever until the appropriate code is intercepted and the missile begins to perform as I want it to. Laser communication has been heralded for how little time it takes to operate, which works to my advantage here, as a Peacemaker will only need a matter of seconds before the missile recieves the altered transmission in the appropriate pattern.

As to the duration, that follows with the second point. The laser communique sends the appropriate signal that would indicate to the onboard GPS that it is no longer recieving data, even though it actually still is. Convinced it has been cut off from its satellite, it should make a final course correction before relying purely on its other relevent data, such as the INS, to guide its way to the target. Ideally, the INS would serve its role perfectly in guiding the missile to whatever false target it is now following, but in this case, Civitas Americae has wisely programmed his missiles to self-ditch if their GPS data and INS data don't match.

This also serves a secondary purpose of preventing manual self-ditch transmissions from being recieved.

As to the duration, that follows with the second point. The laser communique sends the appropriate signal that would indicate to the onboard GPS that it is no longer recieving data, even though it actually still is. Convinced it has been cut off from its satellite, it should make a final course correction before relying purely on its other relevent data, such as the INS, to guide its way to the target. Ideally, the INS would serve its role perfectly in guiding the missile to whatever false target it is now following, but in this case, Civitas Americae has wisely programmed his missiles to self-ditch if their GPS data and INS data don't match.

This also serves a secondary purpose of preventing manual self-ditch transmissions from being recieved.

Alright, so the laser is making a connection with the onboard computer? Additionally, when the missile "looses" connection with the GPS, it stop relying on it? Wouldn't this convince the missile to turn around, but how does the laser deal any permanent damage to the coding? Is it a matter of once the missile thinks it has lost the signal it does not try to get it back? Wouldn't it change that final course correction if it got GPS back? Sorry for all the questions but I really want to understand this tech.

Still waiting for a location for that map...

Okay, I can see you're beginning to understand how the system works more clearly.

Technically, the laser communication doesn't directly interface with the missile, but rather, simply inputs what it wants by manipulating the GPS satellite's transmission. This can be taken to such an extent that malicious code can be created and recieved by the missile's onboard guidance, which causes the reciever to shut down as it fully believes its link with the satellite has been cut.

I fully expect this would be a virtually impossible task in a purely MT situation, however, at the rate computers are advancing in power, by PMT times in the 2035-2050 range, such deft acts of computing will be easier to achieve.

Plus, if you read the Peacemaker's profile, the development of the state-of-the-art computer core and onboard AI units was one of the costliest elements of the entire project.

Okay, I can see you're beginning to understand how the system works more clearly.

Technically, the laser communication doesn't directly interface with the missile, but rather, simply inputs what it wants by manipulating the GPS satellite's transmission. This can be taken to such an extent that malicious code can be created and recieved by the missile's onboard guidance, which causes the reciever to shut down as it fully believes its link with the satellite has been cut.

I fully expect this would be a virtually impossible task in a purely MT situation, however, at the rate computers are advancing in power, by PMT times in the 2035-2050 range, such deft acts of computing will be easier to achieve.

Plus, if you read the Peacemaker's profile, the development of the state-of-the-art computer core and onboard AI units was one of the costliest elements of the entire project.

Ok I have it now, wow that is some nasty stuff! I was planning on gutting some cruise missiles and putting small supercomputers in them loaded with some super computer virus's designed at my universities. So when a connection was made the virus would tranfer to cause havok and shut down the peacemaker. Nice plan, but I did not get the tech at the time, as it does not seem like any direct link is made for the code to be transfered. Additionally the damage would be limited due to the spider brain and all that good stuff, but if a direct link was made a lot of firewalls etc. could be bypassed and the virus's would be damn nasty themselves.

The only way I could possibly still see this working was if the laser was used as a rope of sorts to allow a data link to be established or something. Dont think the tech holds up though...

Do you see any way of it working? ;) :D

Edit: Perhaps using the laser as a weak spot to exploit with an onboard EMP. Dont think EMP weapons can be that small though, and even if they could whether or not they would work.

Whos on whos side?

Kraven: Kraven Corporation, Otagia, Bretton, Axis Nova, Mini Meihm, ?Jenrak?, Garrison II (or something II, can't quite recall), Psyker Bearzerkers

AKA: Velkya, Yallak, Infinite Crucible, Xirnium, Civitas Americae, St. Fedski (limited support), Kahanistan, Nistolonia, Holy Paradise, Praetoria, Dweladelfia Prime, Altronia

Still looking for a map, for now just assume that the five bases are pretty much centrally located.

Kahanistan, Nistolonia, Holy Paradise, Praetoria, Dweladelfia Prime, and Altronia are also with the AKA

With this current situation being my first major RP, I am swamped with all that is going on...having to monitor 6 different threads...I've lost track of it all. All I know is that Axis Nova attacked satellites, War was declared on Kraven Corp and to top it all off I don't know who's on who's side. What are some good ways at dealing with this?

You dont have to, but when posting you can lock the option to "subscribe to thread" it will email it to you, buit sometimes it can pile up to about ten messeges for one thread. If you dont mind trashing a dozen or so emails thats a perfect way to go and the one i prefer.

The ones to focus on are this thread, war on kraven, the premptive strike, and any of the anti kraven alliance posts, for you.

I also belong to the Kraven Ally/Slave (hehe) list.

You dont have to, but when posting you can lock the option to "subscribe to thread" it will email it to you, buit sometimes it can pile up to about ten messeges for one thread. If you dont mind trashing a dozen or so emails thats a perfect way to go and the one i prefer.

The ones to focus on are this thread, war on kraven, the premptive strike, and any of the anti kraven alliance posts, for you.

You could also have the Subscription set to send only ONE E-Mail per day instead of having it send one for every post made. Or have it set to send no E-Mail, which helps if you don't want to deal with those pesky E-Mails.

Is anyone else having trouble with the Thread Tools in the upper right corner of the thread pages?

Is anyone else having trouble with the Thread Tools in the upper right corner of the thread pages?

None of the pulldown menus work anymore, in threads or on the forum board.

Is anyone else having trouble with the Thread Tools in the upper right corner of the thread pages?

They seem to come and go for some reason. Not sure why that is though.

None of the pulldown menus work anymore, in threads or on the forum board.

Right click and open it in a new window. That will let you search or whatever.

Right click and open it in a new window. That will let you search or whatever.

I know, but it's a pain in the butt to do.

I liked when they worked.. now it just pisses me off becuase it is there saying; "I'm here! I'm here! But you can't use me!"

Civitas: who are you aiming those missiles at? You mentioned airbases, and I happen to have five of those.

At airbases in Kraven forming the outer layer of defenses.

All AKA allies what ground targets do you want me to hit with my fighters?

All AKA allies what ground targets do you want me to hit with my fighters?

Airbases, naval yards or THOSE COASTAL DEFENCE CANNONS

Airbases, naval yards or THOSE COASTAL DEFENCE CANNONS

I will hit the cannons, my groundshaker missiles will make short work of them. I launched twenty at one just to make sure they knew even their proudest defenses could be obliterated in an instant. However, with the potent strength of the missile, it would only take one, maybe two to take one out of action.

Also Otagia you talked about your base being dug into the ice and all that, is it above land or water? And how thick is the ice in the area?

I will hit the cannons, my groundshaker missiles will make short work of them. I launched twenty at one just to make sure they knew even their proudest defenses could be obliterated in an instant. However, with the potent strength of the missile, it would only take one, maybe two to take one out of action.

Excellent. As i am withdrawing from Torontia now, my fleet will depart very soon depart to carry on the war against Kraven.

It's on/above land, close to the middle of Kraven territory, wherever that is. No map, remember?

And Crucible, where is your fleet heading? I'm sure we're all good enough RPers not to act on OOC information, and I really don't like suprises.

My fleet will form up with Yallak's, and we'll conduct joint operations with them.

For those of you who don't know, I'm part of Kraven Corp's defense forces, just in case.

It's on/above land, close to the middle of Kraven territory, wherever that is. No map, remember?

And Crucible, where is your fleet heading? I'm sure we're all good enough RPers not to act on OOC information, and I really don't like suprises.

Lol, ok, it is headed for Psyker Bearzerker for three main reasons.

A: To eliminate one of Kraven's allies quickly
B: To judge the strength of CP's as they are stationed in the nation
C: And to see if we can turn Psyker or at least acquire information about kraven from the ruins of his regime.

Let me see if I can find the map, edit coming soon.

Edit:
http://modernwarstudies.net/Maps/concremokc.jpg
Ok there it is!
Also Axis Nova please read my response to your ignore if you have not already.

Lol, ok, it is headed for Psyker Bearzerker for three main reasons.

A: To eliminate one of Kraven's allies quickly
B: To judge the strength of CP's as they are stationed in the nation
C: And to see if we can turn Psyker or at least acquire information about kraven from the ruins of his regime.

Let me see if I can find the map, edit coming soon.

Aww, nobody's invading lil' ol' me? I feel so left out.

Aww, nobody's invading lil' ol' me? I feel so left out.

Maybe, but quick victories would help soldier moral and the chance to gain critical intelligence is too good to pass up, being as the two nations are almost set up identically, with the kraven's... erhm modification...

Ok, I'm gonna take out those pesky bombers above with some foxtrots. And I'll hit some navel yards. i dont want a sea battle to disrupt our carrier ops.

When I free up my 50/50's from bombing the hell out of those shore cannons they can run air cover against super high altitude enemy bombers for the fleets. Nothing like multiple super sonic missiles popping out of space a few hundred feet above you.

Was -NOT- aware that Fallen Races was on our side. Neg that last bit about them... x_x

Was -NOT- aware that Fallen Races was on our side. Neg that last bit about them... x_x

oohhh. Whats wrong - don't you like the realism involved in you blowing up your allies (just like the americans do). I think it would make for a very interesting RP.

oohhh. Whats wrong - don't you like the realism involved in you blowing up your allies (just like the americans do). I think it would make for a very interesting RP.

Nice idea, but I think it is up to them whether the actions really happened. I recalled an IC action that I hade made on bad OOC knowledge in this RP already, although it was not as big an action.

We can hope. If they blow each other up it saves us the efforts.

Haha, Well be the ones cleanin up.

oohhh. Whats wrong - don't you like the realism involved in you blowing up your allies (just like the americans do). I think it would make for a very interesting RP.

Gee, can you play spot the foreigner?

Gee, can you play spot the foreigner?

?? What the??

Edit: What exactly are you implying by that?

Dude whats your prob?

Oi, had to rush this profile 'cause I didn't think I'd get to use them this early.

Arbiter bomber (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=9874372)

Read it, learn it, love it.

Velkya: What the hell GPS satellites do you still have in operation?

Dweladelfia: I hope your missiles can reach 73,000 feet and beat Mach 3.

Yo, guys, let's not start a forum fire here.

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F**k. too late.:)

Oi, had to rush this profile 'cause I didn't think I'd get to use them this early.

Arbiter bomber (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=9874372)

Read it, learn it, love it.

Velkya: What the hell GPS satellites do you still have in operation?

Dweladelfia: I hope your missiles can reach 73,000 feet and beat Mach 3.

I have anti-missile defence laser platforms protecting a good half of my network. But even that is only 60% intact, thanks to that ASAT spam.

Don't worry, my fighters can reach up to 100,000 feet and top Mach 6. They'll be all over you, escapicially after you launched your drones.

I'm aware of your satellite defenses, and I applaud that you've taken this form of precaution. However, I'm quite afraid you've picked an inappropriate party to deal with here.... simply by swapping out warheads, I can convert my entire nuclear arsenal, if needed, to antiorbital missiles, which I will do if necessary. Check the orbital attack thread; anything that Axis Nova's air defense people consider a threat is bombarded until it no longer exists. I think you may overestimate your defensive capabilities against that kind of barrage.

I'm aware of your satellite defenses, and I applaud that you've taken this form of precaution. However, I'm quite afraid you've picked an inappropriate party to deal with here.... simply by swapping out warheads, I can convert my entire nuclear arsenal, if needed, to antiorbital missiles, which I will do if necessary. Check the orbital attack thread; anything that Axis Nova's air defense people consider a threat is bombarded until it no longer exists. I think you may overestimate your defensive capabilities against that kind of barrage.

I'm fairly sure they don't have unlimited ASAT missiles. Even for a large nation like that, it's pretty expensive to contiuously launch missiles into space.

And no WMDs in the RP, Kraven's request.

I'm aware of your satellite defenses, and I applaud that you've taken this form of precaution. However, I'm quite afraid you've picked an inappropriate party to deal with here.... simply by swapping out warheads, I can convert my entire nuclear arsenal, if needed, to antiorbital missiles, which I will do if necessary. Check the orbital attack thread; anything that Axis Nova's air defense people consider a threat is bombarded until it no longer exists. I think you may overestimate your defensive capabilities against that kind of barrage.

Except that you can't realistically do that. ICBMs are built in one way, ASATS in a totally different.

You assume too much. What's to say I haven't developed a modular missile system? I developed a bomber that can fly in virtually any role, and I'm quite fond of multipurpose hardware.

Except that you can't realistically do that. ICBMs are built in one way, ASATS in a totally different.

I believe you can switch out the warheads, provided the ASAT missile is large enough. But then there is the problem of me simply picking off the massive ASAT. Again, no WMDs in the RP. So you'll have to find a more inventive way to combat the network.

Are you daft, sir? Ball bearings are not WMDs. These suckers are exactly the same as Axis Nova's antiorbital missiles, albiet mine use a larger rocket than his 'cause I believe his aren't fast enough to deny self-defending orbital targets.

You assume too much. What's to say I haven't developed a modular missile system? I developed a bomber that can fly in virtually any role, and I'm quite fond of multipurpose hardware.

However, have you devolped modular missiles? Be honest.

While the bombers were good, you made a big mistake.

(no escort)

No escort? No fighter can fly that high, that fast!

And yeah, for the record, I modularize anything and everything I can. The 78-cm railgun used on the Peacemaker is the same that's used on my shore defenses, my harbor fortresses, and on my large naval ships. The 28-cm railgun on the Partisan is also the same on the (discontinued) A6 Juggernaut, which has been relegated to a Civil Protection role, and are also featured on my smaller ships.

Modularity is key to maintaining such a massive military. Why else would I effectively use giant revolving chambers on my missile siloes? o_O

Are you daft, sir? Ball bearings are not WMDs. These suckers are exactly the same as Axis Nova's antiorbital missiles, albiet mine use a larger rocket than his 'cause I believe his aren't fast enough to deny self-defending orbital targets.

I know that ball-bearing are not WMDs. I'm talking about you switching your nukes with your ASAT missiles. Even so, the fact that your rocket is larger gives you a speed advantage, but the target for my lasers is larger. So there you go.

No escort? No fighter can fly that high, that fast!

Dont be so sure about that man, in PMT a lot more things are possible for everyone, not simply you. You are capable of fielding mechs and giant spiders, what's to say a nation has not developed fighters than can go that high, and will intercept and blow your bombers from the sky? I dont see anything stopping it.

No escort? No fighter can fly that high, that fast!

And yeah, for the record, I modularize anything and everything I can. The 78-cm railgun used on the Peacemaker is the same that's used on my shore defenses, my harbor fortresses, and on my large naval ships. The 28-cm railgun on the Partisan is also the same on the (discontinued) A6 Juggernaut, which has been relegated to a Civil Protection role, and are also featured on my smaller ships.

Modularity is key to maintaining such a massive military. Why else would I effectively use giant revolving chambers on my missile siloes? o_O

My fighters are thermospehric, which means they can fly on the edge of space, similiar to the X-15 if you are familiar with it. And they use a SCRAM jet for crossing long distances at hypersonic speed. It's not used for combat manuvering or regular travel. They use conventional vectored thrust engines that can push them to about Mach 4 at top speed.

Velkya: This is entirely true. In the tiny window you have between the launch of the antiorbital buckshot and when the missile enters your defense range, you do have a larger third-stage booster to target. Again, the point I'm trying to make is that even if you whack one missile, there will be more, and more simultaneously. You won't be able to hit them all~

Crucible: Perhaps an interceptor would be able to fly that high, but they'd be ridiculously expensive, much as my bombers are (price and export options are forthcoming). Additionally, they would have very poor maneuverability on account of the amount of maneuvering surfaces that would have to be deleted to achieve that kind of velocity. It's one of the main reasons that the B-70 Valkyrie was, sadly, canned.

In any case, it's not like my bombers aren't capable of defending themselves against anything that can get up that high. Unfortunately, you've chosen to go to war with a nation which places a neurotic emphasis on defense. x_x




I'm not crazy! Just paranoid!

Crucible: Perhaps an interceptor would be able to fly that high, but they'd be ridiculously expensive, much as my bombers are (price and export options are forthcoming). Additionally, they would have very poor maneuverability on account of the amount of maneuvering surfaces that would have to be deleted to achieve that kind of velocity. It's one of the main reasons that the B-70 Valkyrie was, sadly, canned.

In any case, it's not like my bombers aren't capable of defending themselves against anything that can get up that high. Unfortunately, you've chosen to go to war with a nation which places a neurotic emphasis on defense. x_x


Well it looks like... yet another job for my 50/50's. I am really starting to like that I learned about these things when I started NS.

Edit: Also how accurate are those lineart drawings for everything you are making in general?

Define "accurate."

And yeah, I love and hate you for your transorbital technology. In my opinion, NSEarth has probably got so much crap in orbit as it is that viable weapon systems would be difficult, thus I have not bothered going far into that range. I put up replaceable satellites and that's about it. If they crash, malfunction, or get shot down, eh, I make new ones. It's not like my 100+ trillion military budget has anything to lose, you know?

It's not like my 100+ trillion military budget has anything to lose, you know?

According to thirdgeek its only 63 Trillion

Define "accurate."

And yeah, I love and hate you for your transorbital technology. In my opinion, NSEarth has probably got so much crap in orbit as it is that viable weapon systems would be difficult, thus I have not bothered going far into that range. I put up replaceable satellites and that's about it. If they crash, malfunction, or get shot down, eh, I make new ones. It's not like my 100+ trillion military budget has anything to lose, you know?

Accurate by weapons placement mostly.

Hey in order for NS earth to be big enough for all of the nations it woud be about the size of jupiter, LOL. So that means more space to fly around in. :) Either way, after this war is done, if we can some how find IC reasons to get on better terms I would be happy to do some joint 50/50 esque projects with you. Maybe expand from a small simple bomber?

According to thirdgeek its only 63 Trillion

Only :p

What calculator do you use anyway bretton, maybe I can get a boost out of it too. lol

Velkya: This is entirely true. In the tiny window you have between the launch of the antiorbital buckshot and when the missile enters your defense range, you do have a larger third-stage booster to target. Again, the point I'm trying to make is that even if you whack one missile, there will be more, and more simultaneously. You won't be able to hit them all~

Crucible: Perhaps an interceptor would be able to fly that high, but they'd be ridiculously expensive, much as my bombers are (price and export options are forthcoming). Additionally, they would have very poor maneuverability on account of the amount of maneuvering surfaces that would have to be deleted to achieve that kind of velocity. It's one of the main reasons that the B-70 Valkyrie was, sadly, canned.

In any case, it's not like my bombers aren't capable of defending themselves against anything that can get up that high. Unfortunately, you've chosen to go to war with a nation which places a neurotic emphasis on defense. x_x




I'm not crazy! Just paranoid!


Well, these have been mass-produced, but the 100,000 foot ceiling is more like a safe haven then a dogfighting arena. To engage, the fighters do have to have to come to your altitude or less. The RADF-2 is an expensive fighter, but it is not unafforadable. I currently field around 1,200, as my main fighter type. They have no tail fins and use vectored thrust and hyrbrid control surfaces to manuver. But, of course, you've gone to war with a nation that places it's airforce above all other branches, so go figure.

Oi... the Army nation vs. the Air Force nation. Both try to drag the enemy down (or up?) to the other's preferred ground.

Anyway.

I use NSTracker. Additionally, it should be noted that whether or not it is indicated as such, all NS Calculators calculate things in your nation's currency.

I use NSTracker. Additionally, it should be noted that whether or not it is indicated as such, all NS Calculators calculate things in your nation's currency.

That doesn't matter we have the same exchange rates.

Do you have a link for NSTracker - i might try it out.

It kicks ass. Check me out:

I rock (http://nstracker.retrogade.com/index.php?nation=Bretton)

I'm slightly annoyed... something ate 9 billion out of my defense budget since two days ago. Some of these issues make no sense.

Oi... the Army nation vs. the Air Force nation. Both try to drag the enemy down (or up?) to the other's preferred ground.

Anyway.

I use NSTracker. Additionally, it should be noted that whether or not it is indicated as such, all NS Calculators calculate things in your nation's currency.

Basically, although my army is well trained and equipped, if a bit small. I'm sure the same is for your airforce.

I rock (http://nstracker.retrogade.com/index.php?nation=Bretton)

I'm slightly annoyed... something ate 9 billion out of my defense budget since two days ago. Some of these issues make no sense.

I know the issues can be really retarded but this one still says your defence is only 63 trillion (note: that still kicks the shit out of mine)

Oh, about the autolaser-trackers.

These things essentially send out a targeting laser from a small node on the nose of the plane, which automatically seeks out an object. When an object is found, the laser stays locked to it, feeding target data into the laser-guided missile, which has a seeker of it's own, which in turn locks onto the target (in your case, a bomber). Once lauched, the missile stays locked to the target, although it can't manunver as well as a radar or IR missile. If the target makes a sudden, large change in direction, lock can be lost. That's way this missile is perfect for taking down big bombers but horrible at taking out fighters.

Note to self: Put decoy laser generators like the Peacemaker has on the Arbiter later...

Yallak: Again, it's in -my- currency. Do the math.

Note to self: Put decoy laser generators like the Peacemaker has on the Arbiter later...

Yallak: Again, it's in -my- currency. Do the math.

Note to self create intensity/frequence shifting lasers... lol just kidding. Would that work though, would not have it ready for this war... but!

Note to self: Put decoy laser generators like the Peacemaker has on the Arbiter later...

Yallak: Again, it's in -my- currency. Do the math.

Hey, cool that means mine goes up to - yay.

I did the math: 92.837 trillion to my 24.193 trillion

Hmmm, a truce perhaps??

What, in this debate or in the Kraven War? 'Cause I'm good for either.

Hey, cool that means mine goes up to - yay.

I did the math: 92.837 trillion to my 24.193 trillion

Hmmm, a truce perhaps??

We can make it, as long as no one else joins there side, it will be a really really really tough fight, but it is not lost.

A tough fight - he could buy my ENTIRE CURRENT DEFENCE FORCE four times over and still have pocket change in the order of trillions.

Well, I could go for it - all i wanted from Kraven was his withdrawal from Xirnium. If he had done that we would not be at war.

Note to self: Put decoy laser generators like the Peacemaker has on the Arbiter later...

Yallak: Again, it's in -my- currency. Do the math.

Heh, still have my good ol' 30mm cannons. Try jamming those.

A tough fight - he could buy my ENTIRE CURRENT DEFENCE FORCE four times over and still have pocket change in the order of trillions.


Lol good point. Well my government is in this to save the victims of the genocide. Hell they would be willing to buy them from Kraven, I am sure he would not turn that down. If they are out of harms way, I would go home.

Heh, still have my good ol' 30mm cannons. Try jamming those.

haha... nice. We can't lose with lots of those.

You use 30mm guns on your fighters? Sweet, I use them on my bombers as well! What're the odds?

-________-

My government is in this to save the victims and also to destroy the Kravens once and for all, I'm getting quite sick of them invading countries and pillaging.

You use 30mm guns on your fighters? Sweet, I use them on my bombers as well! What're the odds?

oh, ive only got 27 mm guns

You use 30mm guns on your fighters? Sweet, I use them on my bombers as well! What're the odds?

-________-

It's a standard on most fighter aircraft, though I looking into replacing them with something better...

My government is in this to save the victims and also to destroy the Kravens once and for all, I'm getting quite sick of them invading countries and pillaging.

I don't see how they have any allies when all they do is harvest weak/small nations for slaves and resources.

I don't see how they have any allies when all they do is harvest weak/small nations for slaves and resources.

Really, did people expect that Kraven would go unpunished? His whole alliance's principles are faltered. We invade his sovereignty when we try to end his madness, but he's always allowed to waltz on in and take control o defenceless countries, but WE are the bad guys...

This is heavy...

Ok Dweldelfia Prime, You cannot simply disregard my post for two reason

In your first post of the war, your fleet magically appeard of the Coast of Kravonika without RP any of its preperation or travel.

Secondly You stated at the head of your post, "off the Coast of The Kraven Corporation" there for are well within range of the Corporations Shore Batteries.

The post still stands please take losses, further more

THIS IS AN OOC THREAD FOR... Guess what?? OUT OF CHARACTER.. KEEP IT HERE!!!

Kraven do you think your government would be willing to sell the vitims?

Oi, had to rush this profile 'cause I didn't think I'd get to use them this early.

Arbiter bomber (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=9874372)

Read it, learn it, love it.

Velkya: What the hell GPS satellites do you still have in operation?

Dweladelfia: I hope your missiles can reach 73,000 feet and beat Mach 3.

They can.

Kraven do you think your government would be willing to sell the vitims?

No, we've already been approached with this possibilty and have turned it down. The Corporation is adiment that they must be exterminated

Ok just some little Info Here..

I live in england so for all players who are in different time zones to make it easier or in principle easier...

If for example, Somone posts X happens to Kraven Defenses, but in Character im asleep, then someone posts after you have, Assume that When i post in response to What your X has done to my defenses it happens immeadiatly after whatever your fighters etc have done, this way I acutaly get to defend my country without people going, "But i have done this since then" sorry folks but i can't stay awake 24 hours + i have a job to go to, this just a ruling to ensure this doesnt happen, which i am sure it doesn't

Oh and Velkya: The Capitol Police wouldn't have been startled, that is a human emotion, The CP lack ALL Human Emotions, they would have just watched the planes fly over, and possibly Informed the Command Relay



Dweladelfia prime:

You have to take the losses from the Coastal Deterant Batteries, You posted that your fleet was off the Coast of The Kraven Corporation, therefore i was well within my right to open fire, regardless of how close or how far away you are, I'm pretty sure that the Cannons will still be in range of your fleet, So I ask for the last time, Please take these losses, Also please post more than two lines worth of Writing.

Off the coast of the Kraven Corp

"GENRAL QUATERS! GENRAL QUATERS! MAN YOUR BATTLE STATIONS!"

The Dweladelfian Fleet came alive with activaty as air crews prepare fighters to be lanched and bombardment groups load the cannons on the battleships.

"Alright men this is war." Admiral James T. Said with a hash voice. Admiral james T. is the commander of the 5th War hammer Fleet of Dweladelfia Prime.

Here is the fleet the empire has sent.

{5th War hammer Fleet}
1 Atlantis Class Trimaran Super Dreadnaughts
10 Battleships (Orca Class)
15 North Carolina Class battleships
10 Carriers (Admiral Class)
25 Frigates (Tri-Maran Class)
5 Nuke subs (Ohio Class)
10 Battle ships (Dreadnought Class)
5,000 Tidal Wave Class
7 Valkyrie Class Helicopter Assault Carriers
420 AH-64 Apache
Gold Knight SQ- 300 F-35
Long Board SQ- 300 F-35
Surf SQ- 100 F-35
Tomahawk SQ- 200 Harrier FRS.MK 1
Double Edge SQ- 100 F-99 (Wolverine) Air Superiority Fighter
5 A-130

Ground troops are on there way.

Er, Velkya, fuel-air explosives can't be deployed at Mach 5.

Because, the way they work is that the bomb's fall is retarded by a parachute while it emits a cloud of explosive gas to cover an area around it, then ignites the gas (which has mixed with air) to detonate the cloud.

Who is the Overall leader of the AKA?

Dont think we really have one.

Edit: Psst, also one of your gun emplacements has been bombed, see page 3. I think civitas also launched a bunch of missiles somewhere around their too.

Dont think we really have one.

Edit: Psst, also one of your gun emplacements has been bombed, see page 3. I think civitas also launched a bunch of missiles somewhere around their too.

Which gun emplacement? :\ *saunters over to Page 3*

Which gun emplacement? :\ *saunters over to Page 3*

One of those really big naval anti naval guns.

One of those really big naval anti naval guns.

Oh, i Took the hits for it, Just im not going to blow it up just yet, I still want to flex it a bit when the other Fleets turn up, Then ill put it out of commision, so to speak its on page 5 i think, just after i spoke with bretton i think, page 5 anyway, this morning i just Tagged the post, then edited it tonight

Oh, and choose a leader, i need someone i can give OOC information to, who can use it effectivly and someone I can converse with about the war and who can semi direct his/her allied forces

Oh, i Took the hits for it, Just im not going to blow it up just yet, I still want to flex it a bit when the other Fleets turn up, Then ill put it out of commision, so to speak its on page 5 i think, just after i spoke with bretton i think, page 5 anyway, this morning i just Tagged the post, then edited it tonight

Ok response to missiles coming.

Edit: meh did not come out too well.

Ok just some little Info Here..

I live in england so for all players who are in different time zones to make it easier or in principle easier...

If for example, Somone posts X happens to Kraven Defenses, but in Character im asleep, then someone posts after you have, Assume that When i post in response to What your X has done to my defenses it happens immeadiatly after whatever your fighters etc have done, this way I acutaly get to defend my country without people going, "But i have done this since then" sorry folks but i can't stay awake 24 hours + i have a job to go to, this just a ruling to ensure this doesnt happen, which i am sure it doesn't

Oh and Velkya: The Capitol Police wouldn't have been startled, that is a human emotion, The CP lack ALL Human Emotions, they would have just watched the planes fly over, and possibly Informed the Command Relay



Dweladelfia prime:

You have to take the losses from the Coastal Deterant Batteries, You posted that your fleet was off the Coast of The Kraven Corporation, therefore i was well within my right to open fire, regardless of how close or how far away you are, I'm pretty sure that the Cannons will still be in range of your fleet, So I ask for the last time, Please take these losses, Also please post more than two lines worth of Writing.


Umm dude no I dont when I said off the coast I didnt mean that close

Umm dude no I dont when I said off the coast I didnt mean that close

If your in international waters, then your not off the coast, regardless if you are within Internation waters, the 2500mm Naval Deterants are well within range,

You dont know were my ships are and you cant control them.

You dont know were my ships are and you cant control them.

What? I Think i do know where your ships are, Your off the Coast of my nation, Who is under attack from Multiple nations, Do you even for one moment think i will not bother to monitor the waters around my own nation??

So yes, I do know where your ships are, and I am not controlling your ships, but you cannot be off the Coast of Kravonika if your in international waters, As it not counted as my territory there for you cannot be Off my coast, and as previously stated, Regardless of where your fleet are, if you are anywhere near the range of the Coastal Deterant Batteries which has a range in Excess of 160kms, then the previous statement remains, you are within range.

I NEVER SAID THEY WERE IN RANGE, And I didnt think of how off the coast would be ment to you all. And You are controling my ships if your saying there in range.

I have a question, could I get a status update on everything? Everytime I leave five pages come out of no where.

I NEVER SAID THEY WERE IN RANGE, And I didnt think of how off the coast would be ment to you all. And You are controling my ships if your saying there in range.

I am not controlling your ships by saying they are in range, I am controlling my Cannons that have ample range to hit your ships if they are in international waters

Look guys. It is up to the player where his fleet is and what damage it takes. Dwed can if he wants say he was out of range, but he must be reasonable. Were you within 160km of his shore or not? Did you mis-speak, or are you in range? It is up to you, but try to be honest.

I have on good Knowledge that the Maximum Range of the Coastal Batteries are 300 - 350 kms, information comes Courtesy of Masspwnage

I'm not in range.

I'm not in range.

Then you're out of range to affect him either.

Fighters can fly farther than a bullet.

Fighters can fly farther than a bullet.

lol

Dont know the range of missiles, but I know some have longer ranges than those cannons. However, he has a lower selection of what to bombard you with.

Also Axis, my attacks on your nation in the pre-emptive strike thread were legitimate. If you are really dead set on ignoring them in the face of logic and Kraven's permission for me to use what I did, then so be it. I hope you were not trying to become respected on NS.

Dont know the range of missiles, but I know some have longer ranges than those cannons. However, he has a lower selection of what to bombard you with.

Missiles can be brought down by The ZSU's and if at a push the AA's ill just fill the sky with as much lead as possible, shells can't so im not complaining,

So far i suggest better co-ordination between the Nations of the AKA, it seems like a bit of a rabble at the moment, lol

EDIT: Happy 1000th Post to me!

Missiles can be brought down by The ZSU's and if at a push the AA's ill just fill the sky with as much lead as possible, shells can't so im not complaining,

So far i suggest better co-ordination between the Nations of the AKA, it seems like a bit of a rabble at the moment, lol

EDIT: Happy 1000th Post to me!

Grats on 1000.

Some missiles will still get through, but not many. Maybe 5%

Also, he is right we do need to get organised. I think everyone should post who they are engaging and then we can coordinate from there.

So to start it off, my fleet is headed for Bearzerker.

Dont know the range of missiles, but I know some have longer ranges than those cannons. However, he has a lower selection of what to bombard you with.


Whatever, point is his ability to assault is greatly reduced, and once my Airships get over there, planes willbe no issue, and missiles will be a much lesser threat.

C'mon now, some one give me an update.

C'mon now, some one give me an update.

Pretty much, Some token gestures against the KC, a squadron of 50/50's launched a missile attack at the CDB's with minimal damage sustained, then the counter attack forced the 50/50's to retreat, the Kraven SAM network was on standby and began tracking them as soon as they left orbit, however if the sam network had been occupied tracking other hostiles, the damage might have been worse, as the ZSU's would have been busy as well.

Primes fleet are 351kms from Kravonika or thereabouts

The kraven Allies are rushing to defenses, there were some napalm bombs launched at the Kraven Wall in Concremo, minimal damage sustained there, Napalm doesnt burn Titrete Very well.

Major kraven Response with AA weapons, thats pretty much it, Capitol Police have been mobilised and have moved into the Trench and Bunker networks.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=9867817#post9867817

I edited this post just want everyone to see it so its Legit

Hey, Kraven, if you think my strike on Otagia counts as a WMD, and I can see it counting as one, just tell me and it will suffer a temporal anamoly and be erased from time. :p

Pretty much, Some token gestures against the KC, a squadron of 50/50's launched a missile attack at the CDB's with minimal damage sustained, then the counter attack forced the 50/50's to retreat, the Kraven SAM network was on standby and began tracking them as soon as they left orbit, however if the sam network had been occupied tracking other hostiles, the damage might have been worse, as the ZSU's would have been busy as well.

Primes fleet are 351kms from Kravonika or thereabouts

The kraven Allies are rushing to defenses, there were some napalm bombs launched at the Kraven Wall in Concremo, minimal damage sustained there, Napalm doesnt burn Titrete Very well.

Major kraven Response with AA weapons, thats pretty much it, Capitol Police have been mobilised and have moved into the Trench and Bunker networks.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=9867817#post9867817

I edited this post just want everyone to see it so its Legit


Okay thanks man.

Hey, Kraven, if you think my strike on Otagia counts as a WMD, and I can see it counting as one, just tell me and it will suffer a temporal anamoly and be erased from time. :p

Lol, i think he was on your side.... Although im not sure... However yes Super lazers do count as WMD's, although it was a nice post, i'd rather not have lazer systems being fired at everyone, im not a big fan of lazer shows... and just to keep the peace i'd rather you edit the post, nothing personal if i start letting people use lazers here, but stop people using that there, wil cause OOC conflict, so for all parties its a NO. :)

With that a micro black whole opened dragging a certain portion of The Infinite Crucible back in time....

dunanananananana!

Although, the part about renting my satellites from super corporations still stands, just got overzealous and deleted it.

With that a micro black whole opened dragging a certain portion of The Infinite Crucible back in time....

dunanananananana!

Although, the part about renting my satellites from super corporations still stands, just got overzealous and deleted it.

Lol, We are the super Corporations :p

Lol, We are the super Corporations :p

Other super corporation, silly billy.

Other super corporation, silly billy.

lol, silly billy havn't heard that in a while

Er, Velkya, fuel-air explosives can't be deployed at Mach 5.

Because, the way they work is that the bomb's fall is retarded by a parachute while it emits a cloud of explosive gas to cover an area around it, then ignites the gas (which has mixed with air) to detonate the cloud.

I said Mach 5?

Oops...

Yeah, the top speed of those AA-17s is only about Mach 2.5. I was thinking of a RADF-2. I'll correct that. Sorry.

Oh and the Kraven Alliance is now known as "The Consortium"

Oh and the Kraven Alliance is now known as "The Consortium"

Damn! That's who I rented them from! Well anything for money I guess. :p

Should I simply assume that my missiles obliterated all their targets given the lack of a response to them?

Damn! That's who I rented them from! Well anything for money I guess. :p

Lol, ah well at least im profiting from the war a little

oh and as for the Conflict i am willing to allow troops onto Kraven Soil, ive got some really nice ideas that i want to flesh out, that will make the Extermination camps look like Picnicks, there will be nearly 90% Kraven loss in this war, unless that is the AKA make a complete and utter arse up of it all

Should I simply assume that my missiles obliterated all their targets given the lack of a response to them?

which missiles and who is this directed to?

Lol, ah well at least im profiting from the war a little

oh and as for the Conflict i am willing to allow troops onto Kraven Soil, ive got some really nice ideas that i want to flesh out, that will make the Extermination camps look like Picnicks, there will be nearly 90% Kraven loss in this war, unless that is the AKA make a complete and utter arse up of it all

You'll lose about three troopers and a single phase 4...

Should I simply assume that my missiles obliterated all their targets given the lack of a response to them?

Tru Dat, he launched a ton of them a while back. I am pretty sure the efficiency of anti missile systems begind to drop the more of them that show up... </plug for victory>

Seriously though, it does seem logical.

You'll lose about three troopers and a single phase 4...

lol, and at that the Phase 4 will still be able to fight with 0.5% effectivness

lol, and at that the Phase 4 will still be able to fight with 0.5% effectivness

If the enemy gets lucky, if not it'll be at about 30-40% of maximum.

If the enemy gets lucky, if not it'll be at about 30-40% of maximum.

yeah, i have you to thank for the Invention of the Phase 4, it was the kurrgan and her forces that showed the weakness's in the design, so i had to make something a little more "Durable"

You'll lose about three troopers and a single phase 4...

Well, he already has lost 3 CP, so all we need to do is nail a Phase 4 with a iron bomb and we are even. :D

yeah, i have you to thank for the Invention of the Phase 4, it was the kurrgan and her forces that showed the weakness's in the design, so i had to make something a little more "Durable"

Kerrigan my fiend, Sara Kerrigan.

And they were some tough mothers, weren't they?

which missiles and who is this directed to?

The mass-launch of 7,200 Kh-555 missiles directed at your airbases and SAM sites.

The mass-launch of 7,200 Kh-555 missiles directed at your airbases and SAM sites.

Right well, i have to go to bed now, so ill post that part of it later tomorow

Hey, Kraven, can you give me a lowdown on Concermo's situtation, I've basically acheived air superiority over the area and I would like to know if there are any airfields or airports there, in addition to you having any forces uder your direct control. Anything you have in that area is either gone or asleep, am I right?

Right well, i have to go to bed now, so ill post that part of it later tomorow
night

Kerrigan my fiend, Sara Kerrigan.

And they were some tough mothers, weren't they?

Ah yes sorry, and yes they were, for those who don't know, the Sardaukar were built in 4 stages, stage one got their arses royal pwned by the Kerrigan and her team, as the Visor was a major weak point, We rectified it with Phase 2 the "CF" Class, but they too were easily killed... then we made phase 3 and 4, phase 3 was mearly a stop gap in the phase between 2 and 4 and was the phase where most of the cyber augmentation took place, there was no testing of phase 3 it was simply a technical development, phase 4 was the actual complete solider, so far i have yet to see a solider like it on NS

Hey, Kraven, can you give me a lowdown on Concermo's situtation, I've basically acheived air superiority over the area and I would like to know if there are any airfields or airports there, in addition to you having any forces uder your direct control. Anything you have in that area is either gone or asleep, am I right?

there are minor Capitol Police forces in the area patrolling the streets and currently pacifiying the nation, However the Concremo military is under control of the Corporaiton so they are defending it, Will post Concremo Military tomorow

Night All

Right well, i have to go to bed now, so ill post that part of it later tomorow

There's also 1,440 missiles now heading towards areas around the Concreman capital that have been designated as targets by the Velkyan military.

Allright, Dwealfinda (or however it's spelled), we need you to come clean.

How far off the Kraven coastline is your fleet?

Additionally, you may not have noticed, but you've fired five missiles with unknown guidance mechanisms and my bomber force. Seeing as I don't know exactly how these work, I'm going to assume my already impressive countermeasure force took care of them, though if you'd care to enlighten me as to their operational guidance and other systems, we can talk.

Meanwhile, I have responded with... well, hang on, we need to do some math.

18 bombers set out to attack
Each bomber has eight drones
Each drone has six missiles

So, all 18 bombers launch their drones... that's 144 drones.

144 x 6... 864 missiles from the drones alone. Including the drones themselves, that's 978 top-attack hypersonic antishipping attacks.

Now, if we include the bombers themselves...

18 originally, 2 carrying air-to-air missiles (which had no effect. Damn your idiot fighters, Velkya), so 16. One got put out of action before it could fire, so 15.

Each bomber carries 35 more missiles.

35 x 15 is 525 more missiles.

So, two waves of missiles are being dropped on your head. You've got virtually a thousand in the first, and then half as many in the second.

Maybe I overreacted? :P

In any case, your position off the coast is irrelevent against those; the Arbiter flies at Mach 3, and its Middleman drones even faster. Let's see some action, maybe?

It's sort of funny how 6 fighters firing their guns nearly non-stop can only shoot down 2 (!) huge bombers. Realisitically, you would be completely destoryed before you could get in range. Even if your bombers have defensive arms, those are ineffective, especially against hypersonic missiles, which were released in close air combat, giving your anti-missile units a ridiculosly small time to react, much less shoot 90% out of the air. Most of all, you are lucky I even gave you a kill, considering the speed at which my fighters were moving. AND, once 12 more fighters showed up, it should have been lights out for your aircraft, espacially when they released the final salvo of missiles, which you ignored.

Velkya, I expected better from you. I feel as though people just skip around the profiles I painstakingly put up for their benefit, as opposed to actually reading them in detail.

(1) The CIWS guns posess superior targeting and guidance avoinics.
(2) The CIWS guns fire explosive shells with proximity fuses. They don't need to hit, they simply need to get close.
(2.5) The CIWS guns shoot self-propelled ammunition, which is a prerequisite to putting shells on target with that kind of ridiculous air pushing against them. I trust yours are as well, or else we're in trouble.
(3) I'm still in utter disbelief that these fighters you have can maneuver the way they can at speeds in excess of Mach 3 without moving in extrodinarily linear fashions.
(4) My Arbiters are built to take punishment, at least while they're operating in a strategic role. You have to actually hit a critical system, such as an engine, or butcher the airframe, which you did, twice, before you'll see the kind of results you'd be looking for on, say, a B-52.

Velkya, that's the air support for the drop that you requested. Feel free to control them (and the troops we've contributed to the drop) during the fight itself.

Velkya, I expected better from you. I feel as though people just skip around the profiles I painstakingly put up for their benefit, as opposed to actually reading them in detail.

(1) The CIWS guns posess superior targeting and guidance avoinics.
(2) The CIWS guns fire explosive shells with proximity fuses. They don't need to hit, they simply need to get close.
(2.5) The CIWS guns shoot self-propelled ammunition, which is a prerequisite to putting shells on target with that kind of ridiculous air pushing against them. I trust yours are as well, or else we're in trouble.
(3) I'm still in utter disbelief that these fighters you have can maneuver the way they can at speeds in excess of Mach 3 without moving in extrodinarily linear fashions.
(4) My Arbiters are built to take punishment, at least while they're operating in a strategic role. You have to actually hit a critical system, such as an engine, or butcher the airframe, which you did, twice, before you'll see the kind of results you'd be looking for on, say, a B-52.

(1) Ok, no matter how advanced, no anti-missile system is foolproof. Out of over 50 missiles fired, only around 2 to 3 hit. :confused:
(2) My rounds are rocket-assisted, thats really a PMT standard.
(3) I'm running on a tech level of about 2075, so this kind of aircraft with that type of speed and maneuverability is easy to build for me.
(4) Well, next time, I'll come up with something to butcher that airframe for you. :)

Dont know the range of missiles, but I know some have longer ranges than those cannons. However, he has a lower selection of what to bombard you with.

Also Axis, my attacks on your nation in the pre-emptive strike thread were legitimate. If you are really dead set on ignoring them in the face of logic and Kraven's permission for me to use what I did, then so be it. I hope you were not trying to become respected on NS.

As far as hes concerned his defences are perfect and if you cna get around them - well you must just be godmoding

As far as hes concerned his defences are perfect and if you cna get around them - well you must just be godmoding

So it would seem based off of what I have seen and heard from other NS'ers of great respect, foremost of them Praetonia.

Grats on 1000.

Some missiles will still get through, but not many. Maybe 5%

Also, he is right we do need to get organised. I think everyone should post who they are engaging and then we can coordinate from there.

So to start it off, my fleet is headed for Bearzerker.

My fleet is about 400 miles off coast getting ready to fend off a axis nova fleet. I'm gonna need help.

My fleet is about 400 miles off coast getting ready to fend off a axis nova fleet. I'm gonna need help.

Naval or airborne? By that, I mean both the type of enemy fleet and what support you need.

Hrm I seem to have completely missed the attack against me. What was it exactly?

Naval or airborne? By that, I mean both the type of enemy fleet and what support you need.

I need ships planes anything you can spare, Its a huge fleet see Rp for details.

Okay, Dweladelfia prime's stuff is 351 km off the coast. That puts him out of accurate range of my Peacemakers. Thanks for the heads up.

However, I'm still waiting for the result of that missile attack.

Velkya: You've still got orbital laser platforms and you've somehow put a laser system on your bombers capable of intercepting missiles from two moving targets? Consider yourself ignored until Axis Nova and I have spoken again on the matter. If your satellites refuse to be taken down by surface attacks and orbital lasers are not considered WMDs, there's no point to this war.

As Axis has put me in charge of his forces until he's returned, the same goes for them. I urge Kraven to do so as well.

As am I

Sorry for no IC post, I have been doing some research. Also, I have thought over invading Bearzerker and have decided against it for the time being, my fleets will still have to change course though, IC.

Edit: 300

Also, Bretton I have been reading over your designs and have a question.

Do they encorporate a layer of ERA, then electic armor, then regular armor, or just an anti HEAT layer then and anti solid slug layer?

Okay, Dweladelfia prime's stuff is 351 km off the coast. That puts him out of accurate range of my Peacemakers. Thanks for the heads up.

However, I'm still waiting for the result of that missile attack.

Velkya: You've still got orbital laser platforms and you've somehow put a laser system on your bombers capable of intercepting missiles from two moving targets? Consider yourself ignored until Axis Nova and I have spoken again on the matter. If your satellites refuse to be taken down by surface attacks and orbital lasers are not considered WMDs, there's no point to this war.

As Axis has put me in charge of his forces until he's returned, the same goes for them. I urge Kraven to do so as well.

Who said anything about the orbital laser being used as a direct attack?

And the bombers are not a Velkyan design, search for a EB-15 Arkbird storefront thread on the forums, it should be there somewhere. It's a ultra heavy bomber and there are multiple countermeasure systems onboard. I believe it's larger than your Arbiters. Hey, if you can have spider mechs with anti-laser guidence systems onboard, I can have small lasers (much smaller than the ones in orbit, but the laser pod is quicker, allowing it to effectivly shot down SAMs and air to air missiles) guarding my massive bombers. Besides, the laser systems are basically a more effective version of your CICW systems on your bombers. Seeing as how you've intercepted all 50 of my missiles with your cannons, why can't I intercept 3 of yours with a laser system?

Sorry for no IC post, I have been doing some research. Also, I have thought over invading Bearzerker and have decided against it for the time being, my fleets will still have to change course though, IC.

Edit: 300

Also, Bretton I have been reading over your designs and have a question.

Do they encorporate a layer of ERA, then electic armor, then regular armor, or just an anti HEAT layer then and anti solid slug layer?

That depends on which design we're talking about.

The Peacemaker has everything under the sun, simply because it's built to soak enemy fire like a sponge. My other units, such as the Partisan and Stahlkorpe, only have electric armor and then their composite/DU/steel/whatever armor under that. The Partisan is designed to withstand direct hits from tank guns, whereas the Stahlkorpe is only so much up to thwart hypervelocity man-portable antimaterial rifles. Both, however, face virtually no threat from shaped charges.

Velkya: NO. Just -no-. You can't still be arguing you have this fellow here:

http://www.bbakira.co.uk/stills/others/sol1.jpg

...despite the billions of dollars I'm wasting by throwing up a hailstorm of antiorbital missiles on a daily basis.

It doesn't make sense, and it's killing my brain.

That depends on which design we're talking about.

The Peacemaker has everything under the sun, simply because it's built to soak enemy fire like a sponge. My other units, such as the Partisan and Stahlkorpe, only have electric armor and then their composite/DU/steel/whatever armor under that. The Partisan is designed to withstand direct hits from tank guns, whereas the Stahlkorpe is only so much up to thwart hypervelocity man-portable antimaterial rifles. Both, however, face virtually no threat from shaped charges.

Velkya: NO. Just -no-. You can't still be arguing you have this fellow here:

http://www.bbakira.co.uk/stills/others/sol1.jpg

...despite the billions of dollars I'm wasting by throwing up a hailstorm of antiorbital missiles on a daily basis.

It doesn't make sense, and it's killing my brain.

I had no idea you were throwing up antiorbital missiles on a daily basis until right now. Not like it's much use, ASATs are meant to be deployed from under the target sat. And unless I'm mistaken, I don't have any clusters anywhere near you, meaning your using a large rocket to deliver the warhead, which is means an even better target for my lasers. And the lasers are only powerful enough to destory rockets and missiles, the lasers are not "superlasers" that can take out ground targets. I already took orbital casualties int the beginning because the strike took me by suprise. The fact that your putting up ASAT missiles daily makes it even easier for me, because know I know where they are coming from and can just concentrate laser fire on that area of the globe. You aren't helped by the fact that all 19 of my platforms are concentrated into one relativly small area, protecting my rod cannons, allowing for basically continous fire if and when you launch missiles at the cluster. I'm not seeing your point, and it's your problem your wasting so much money pouring missiles into what amounts to an orbital grinder, not mine. And for what? Destorying a few inaccurate godrod cannons? It's not like your throwing any missiles at Allied troops that platforms could take out anyways, so whats the use?

Really, there is no threat from these unless you make them one.

I believe you've read too deeply into Axis Nova's description of the things. He instends to use them to thwart targets above his nation. I, on the other hand, have taken a bigger view of the possibilities.

A laser is a linear, line of sight weapon. It must be able to directly target whatever it's firing at.

A missile, on the other hand, does not have this limitation. By firing the missile on a low orbital trajectory such that it would fly around the curvature of the Earth and strike its target, it can have a dramatically longer effective range.

All I need to do is line a missile up, waste a few to determine the exact point where your defensive satellites can take out a missile, and release the payload before then. The antiorbital buckshot will continue along the trajectory of the missile, thanks to gravity, and by lowering the explosive charge used to spread out the buckshot for an effect normally used to dispatch with a satellite at close range, we can retard the spread even over a very large distance.

Their effectiveness will not be as great as if they were being directly fired in a straight line at the target, but a cloud of antiorbital buckshot will still be entering your satellites' location; at that point, we simply have to rely on the relative fragility of a satellite against steel projectiles moving at ridiculous speed to finish the job.

I could have sworn I implicitly stated this at some point.

That depends on which design we're talking about.

The Peacemaker has everything under the sun, simply because it's built to soak enemy fire like a sponge. My other units, such as the Partisan and Stahlkorpe, only have electric armor and then their composite/DU/steel/whatever armor under that. The Partisan is designed to withstand direct hits from tank guns, whereas the Stahlkorpe is only so much up to thwart hypervelocity man-portable antimaterial rifles. Both, however, face virtually no threat from shaped charges.

Velkya: NO. Just -no-. You can't still be arguing you have this fellow here:

http://www.bbakira.co.uk/stills/others/sol1.jpg

...despite the billions of dollars I'm wasting by throwing up a hailstorm of antiorbital missiles on a daily basis.

It doesn't make sense, and it's killing my brain.

Alright, thanks man. Also I think being as I am renting my sats, they will be less identifiable as mine, even more so because I change which ones I am renting very rapidly. However, you will probably still get a good deal of them.

At this point I'm beginning to think that it may be more feasible to simply kill the source of these miserable orbital weapons that it would be to squash the weapons themselves.

-That- should not make sense. And yet, it does.

-_-*

At this point I'm beginning to think that it may be more feasible to simply kill the source of these miserable orbital weapons that it would be to squash the weapons themselves.

-That- should not make sense. And yet, it does.

-_-*

I dont have any orbital weapons in this RP, well I do, but I asked Kraven and he said it counted as a WMD so I wont use it. The satellites that I am using are rented from multiple super corporations, so hitting their manufacturers would bring unwanted attention. Although if you weren't refering to me, never mind all that. :p

Hey Nova when is your fleet gonna be here?

GAME IS ON PAUSE OVER THE WEEKEND

Im not going to be around much this weekend, so Im pausing the Game, No one Post anything Until i have Returned to un pause the game, this way the thread doesn't overflow and get ahead of me while im gone, its just a safety measure, please all Abide by it

Thanks

GAME IS ON PAUSE OVER THE WEEKEND

Im not going to be around much this weekend, so Im pausing the Game, No one Post anything Until i have Returned to un pause the game, this way the thread doesn't overflow and get ahead of me while im gone, its just a safety measure, please all Abide by it

Thanks

Awww man! Well I guess that will let me focus on being a GOD!!!! Lol, either that or actually go into detail about my military equipment.

Maybe even give NS a short break.... naaa

GAME IS ON PAUSE OVER THE WEEKEND

Im not going to be around much this weekend, so Im pausing the Game, No one Post anything Until i have Returned to un pause the game, this way the thread doesn't overflow and get ahead of me while im gone, its just a safety measure, please all Abide by it

Thanks


Kraven has spoken and his will be done.... I think I should do stuff, yes.

Kraven has spoken and his will be done....

:eek:

Umm...

Yea...

Edit: More serious here. Kraven, I am assuming you were responding to Americae's mass missiles launch from a while back? He launched over 7000 missiles. Even with 95% effectives, which is hardly true when the shit hits the fan, over 350 missiles would have gotten through. In a "real" life situation that would be much higher.

However, if this is is refering to a far smaller attack then I apologise, but otherwise that would be godmoding.

:eek:

Umm...

Yea...

Edit: More serious here. Kraven, I am assuming you were responding to Americae's mass missiles launch from a while back? He launched over 7000 missiles. Even with 95% effectives, which is hardly true when the shit hits the fan, over 350 missiles would have gotten through. In a "real" life situation that would be much higher.

However, if this is is refering to a far smaller attack then I apologise, but otherwise that would be godmoding.

No im not god modding, I prefer to write descriptivly and having to RP over 350 missiles hitting their targets is laborious, so I condense it down and describe only a few of the Actual hits, I had shot all of them down, then I would have stated so

No im not god modding, I prefer to write descriptivly and having to RP over 350 missiles hitting their targets is laborious, so I condense it down and describe only a few of the Actual hits, I had shot all of them down, then I would have stated so

Oh, my bad man. So a good deal of missiles got through, but you only wrote about a few specific hit? Maybe just post total losses next time, just to get the idea of scale through, but still retain the RP element?

Oh, my bad man. So a good deal of missiles got through, but you only wrote about a few specific hit? Maybe just post total losses next time, just to get the idea of scale through, but still retain the RP element?

yeah thats a plan, ill probably do that in the future

Even if we assume the same effectiveness against the missiles as USN had against kamikazes (which is misleading, as the missiles are coming in one large group which will saturate the defenses and they aren't filled with inept pilots who don't know how to fly well), then 1,008 missiles will hit their targets. Which will mean that the airbases and SAM sites around Kravonika will cease to exist. Personally, I would suspect at least two to three times as many would get through.

That turret is kinda dead (as well as not actually having been a target). Kh-555 carries a half-ton warhead.

Alright guys I think we should take this short break to get organised so we can make a more effective push. I think we should have a pseudo leader and coordinate attacks. Tell me what you guys think, also post where your assets are and where they are headed.

Assets:
Space Faring:
50/50's on nigh constant patrol ready for interception of bombers, or bombing runs
Naval Fleet, Army- Currently headed for waters far outside of of Kraven
Air Force: Stationed at national airbases, requires allied airbases for strikes on Kraven

Two Marine Expeditionary Forces (which means 10 divisions) over in Velkya.
324 F-108 and 972 F-21 fighters in Velkya.
Navy is sitting pretty at home basically.
Bombers are periodically blowing the crap out of Kraven and Concremo.

Our airbases are open if you want them. Our tankers can refuel your craft for airstrikes if needed.

Consider my airforces on the move to your airbases, so I can launch air raids on Kraven. Wont be there until a day after RP resumes though.

Edit:
uh... oh...
Automagfreek...
Please let his aid remain moral... please, please, please, please!
lol

I believe you've read too deeply into Axis Nova's description of the things. He instends to use them to thwart targets above his nation. I, on the other hand, have taken a bigger view of the possibilities.

A laser is a linear, line of sight weapon. It must be able to directly target whatever it's firing at.

A missile, on the other hand, does not have this limitation. By firing the missile on a low orbital trajectory such that it would fly around the curvature of the Earth and strike its target, it can have a dramatically longer effective range.

All I need to do is line a missile up, waste a few to determine the exact point where your defensive satellites can take out a missile, and release the payload before then. The antiorbital buckshot will continue along the trajectory of the missile, thanks to gravity, and by lowering the explosive charge used to spread out the buckshot for an effect normally used to dispatch with a satellite at close range, we can retard the spread even over a very large distance.

Their effectiveness will not be as great as if they were being directly fired in a straight line at the target, but a cloud of antiorbital buckshot will still be entering your satellites' location; at that point, we simply have to rely on the relative fragility of a satellite against steel projectiles moving at ridiculous speed to finish the job.

I could have sworn I implicitly stated this at some point.

My anti-missile sats aren't as fragile as you think. That's why you only nailed 1, and you got 4 microsats. They are surrounded by a coating of titanium, followed by steel and then another layer of tungsten steel, followed by yet more titanium. Even though the armor is an inch to two inchs thick at the most hardened points (i.e. the crew compartment), this is still very tough armor for a sat.

And CA, I gave you the permission to engage targets. Priorties would be SAMs sites and defensive lines. If you can land them on board, my carriers are yours to use.

Please let his aid remain moral... please, please, please, please!
lol

I thought this was closed a few days ago due to the sheer number of participants?

I thought this was closed a few days ago due to the sheer number of participants?

Oh yea... Well I am sure he could still participate, just maybe not deploy forces?

My anti-missile sats aren't as fragile as you think. That's why you only nailed 1, and you got 4 microsats. They are surrounded by a coating of titanium, followed by steel and then another layer of tungsten steel, followed by yet more titanium. Even though the armor is an inch to two inchs thick at the most hardened points (i.e. the crew compartment), this is still very tough armor for a sat.

And CA, I gave you the permission to engage targets. Priorties would be SAMs sites and defensive lines. If you can land them on board, my carriers are yours to use.

I think it would be more economical and feasible to simply make really cheap satellites that you can replace, as stuff in space moves so fast it can make a mockery of most armor. However, I am hardly educated on the subject.

edit:
Stop posting guys, its on pause.

Curious Bretton: Just how many of these Peacemakers do you have deployed?

One word answer: Enough.

Longer answer: Something along the order of 200+.

One word answer: Enough.

Longer answer: Something along the order of 200+.

Phew... I had the image of like 800 of them tromping around... lol

Do you have -any- idea how much a Peacemaker costs? The entire Anti-Kraven Alliance's military budget couldn't make 800 of them.

Do you have -any- idea how much a Peacemaker costs? The entire Anti-Kraven Alliance's military budget couldn't make 800 of them.

Whoa man, didn't mean to enrage you, lol. Yes I know they cost about twenty billion to make a piece.

However, the more I look at them, the more I see the same problem even the best defended SD have. No matter how great your defense is, there are always weaknesses, and I have spotted a few myself. Exploting these you can overwhelm the target, most likely taking a great deal damage yourself, but far less than twenty billions worth.

UNPAUSED

It appears i wasn't going to be away as long as i thought i was, So its all cool now, Back to it folks

UNPAUSED


Lets get ready to R-R-R-R-R-R-R-RRRRUMBLE!

Whoa man, didn't mean to enrage you, lol. Yes I know they cost about twenty billion to make a piece.

However, the more I look at them, the more I see the same problem even the best defended SD have. No matter how great your defense is, there are always weaknesses, and I have spotted a few myself. Exploting these you can overwhelm the target, most likely taking a great deal damage yourself, but far less than twenty billions worth.

The Peacemaker, however, has two advantages over a typical Superdreadnought:

(1) Mobility.

(2) Computing Power.

Combining these two assets, a Peacemaker's defense becomes so heavily layered, it hurts.

(1) Detect enemy munitions.
(2) Plot trajectory of munitions.
(3) Hack guidance of munitions.
(4) If hacking fails, divert munitions via countermeasures.
(5) If diverting fails, shoot down munitions.
(6) If shooting down fails, avoid munitions.
(7) If avoiding fails, soak munitions.

The best part is, the only limitation on the Peacemaker's execution of these protocols is how fast, or rather, how slow, the munitions are travelling. If you were to put it up against, say, a scramjet missile, you could truly see the psychotic computing power at work.

The only really revolutionary technology on the Peacemaker is its multiple onboard AI units and their ridiculous computing power. Everything else isn't really that out-there as far as tech goes.

...I fully believe that if a Machine Revolution ever occurs on NS Earth, it'll be because of these guys. x_x

The Peacemaker, however, has two advantages over a typical Superdreadnought:

(1) Mobility.

(2) Computing Power.

Combining these two assets, a Peacemaker's defense becomes so heavily layered, it hurts.

(1) Detect enemy munitions.
(2) Plot trajectory of munitions.
(3) Hack guidance of munitions.
(4) If hacking fails, divert munitions via countermeasures.
(5) If diverting fails, shoot down munitions.
(6) If shooting down fails, avoid munitions.
(7) If avoiding fails, soak munitions.

The best part is, the only limitation on the Peacemaker's execution of these protocols is how fast, or rather, how slow, the munitions are travelling. If you were to put it up against, say, a scramjet missile, you could truly see the psychotic computing power at work.

The only really revolutionary technology on the Peacemaker is its multiple onboard AI units and their ridiculous computing power. Everything else isn't really that out-there as far as tech goes.

...I fully believe that if a Machine Revolution ever occurs on NS Earth, it'll be because of these guys. x_x


Or my Sardaukar :P

The Peacemaker, however, has two advantages over a typical Superdreadnought:

(1) Mobility.

(2) Computing Power.

Combining these two assets, a Peacemaker's defense becomes so heavily layered, it hurts.

(1) Detect enemy munitions.
(2) Plot trajectory of munitions.
(3) Hack guidance of munitions.
(4) If hacking fails, divert munitions via countermeasures.
(5) If diverting fails, shoot down munitions.
(6) If shooting down fails, avoid munitions.
(7) If avoiding fails, soak munitions.

The best part is, the only limitation on the Peacemaker's execution of these protocols is how fast, or rather, how slow, the munitions are travelling. If you were to put it up against, say, a scramjet missile, you could truly see the psychotic computing power at work.

The only really revolutionary technology on the Peacemaker is its multiple onboard AI units and their ridiculous computing power. Everything else isn't really that out-there as far as tech goes.

...I fully believe that if a Machine Revolution ever occurs on NS Earth, it'll be because of these guys. x_x

Don't worry, we'll formulate a plan that involves a robot going back in time and protecting mankind future savior, a office clerk with mad gun skillz called 'The One'.

Done.

Sweet, the game's unpaused.

With that in mind, I have some things I'd like to discuss.

Dweladelfia prime: We still haven't figured out where the nearly fifteen hundred antishipping missiles I've dropped on that fleet of yours have gone to. As for the counterattack you've launched, unless you've got some newfangled guidance system I should know about, I think we can assume that my bombers' impeccible offensive and defensive avionics have taken care of them.

Velkya: I'd like to hear a full technical rundown on whatever the hell enables your aircraft to dogfight as if they were the fabled P-51 Mustang at speeds in excess of Mach 4. My bombers, with 440,000 pounds of thrust, are only capable of flying in an extrodinarily linear fashion not because of their engines, but because the sheer air speed negates making any sharp movements. If it weren't for self-propelled rounds, my guns wouldn't even work at such speeds either simply due to wind resistence. I, for one, don't believe technology exists that would allow Mach 4 dogfighting, even if we're going to take PMT to its ceiling at 2060.

Additionally, I want to see the profile for that Arkbird bomber. Its performance is preposterous.

Even if we assume the same effectiveness against the missiles as USN had against kamikazes (which is misleading, as the missiles are coming in one large group which will saturate the defenses and they aren't filled with inept pilots who don't know how to fly well), then 1,008 missiles will hit their targets. Which will mean that the airbases and SAM sites around Kravonika will cease to exist. Personally, I would suspect at least two to three times as many would get through.

That turret is kinda dead (as well as not actually having been a target). Kh-555 carries a half-ton warhead.

The ZSU's are Capable of Tracking multiple targets, and if you saturate the defenses that means more are going to be brought down, this isnt precision weapons taking down missiles, these are Gatlin Assault Cannons firing 120,000 rounds per minute into the atmosphere, coupling that with the Defenses surrounding Kravonika, We don't have an air Force to speak of properly, as said before it is mainly used to support the ground troops, we rely on Air Defenses so we will not scimp on AA's accross our defensive line.

As for the Air Bases, it makes no difference, Vtols don't need runways what runways are there are for conventional air craft, Also considering the Air bases and much of the city that you have to cross are littered with more AA's only a few of the missiles will actualy get through,


This is totaly OOC and i do not expect you to use it IC without having RP'ed its discovery first, Which will require the Capture of a Capitol Police Trooper, Listening in on the Command Relay, and Deciphering Kraven battle Language

To Effectivly Bring down the Defenses around Kravonika will require bringing down the Command Relay, The Command Relay is completly transmitted in Battlelanguage, a dialect taught to the CP troopers during their Ininital Birth phase, while still inside the Birthing Vectors, See Xirniums posts.

It is a sequence of Randomised Noises, sounds like someone Growling underwater so to speak, each one has a meaning that the Trooper understands, when The Trooper responds to the Communication the Helmet of the Trooper instantly codes it into Battlelanguage, it is decoded at the other end.

As none of you have ever heard battle language before it will take a long time to decipher it, but this is the key to Bringing down the kraven defensive line, As for attempting to copy battlelanguage, or hack into the network and alter the message, it won't work quite simply, The Command relay is heavily secured and would be impossible to set up a trojan or other hacking mechanism as the network is monitored at all times for annomalies. instantly their is a Trojan detected or other virus software the Frequencies will be changed and any connection would be lost.

also giving Counter commanding orders without understanding battlelanguage will fail, Troopers are given instructions from birth to disregard anything that is broadcast to them by the Command Relay that isn't in Battlelanguage.


As for the CDB's the half a ton warhead would have damaged the Armoured structure, but it is built into 60,000 + Tons of Earth above it in the form of a Cliff, plus Titrete is designed with these weapons in mind, to effectivly counter these weapons would be to place a tomahawk or equivalent through the slit of the Bunker and hit the internals.

Or, something im surprised none of you had noticed, The Great Cooling vents ontop of the cliff :p

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=452226

The ZSU's are Capable of Tracking multiple targets, and if you saturate the defenses that means more are going to be brought down, this isnt precision weapons taking down missiles, these are Gatlin Assault Cannons firing 120,000 rounds per minute into the atmosphere, coupling that with the Defenses surrounding Kravonika, We don't have an air Force to speak of properly, as said before it is mainly used to support the ground troops, we rely on Air Defenses so we will not scimp on AA's accross our defensive line.

Doesn't matter if they can track track multiple targets if they can only fire on them one at a time. And while 120,000 rounds a minute sounds nice, it means absolutely nothing when it comes to increasing the effectiveness of your AAA. It just means that you go through your ammunition quicker.


As for the Air Bases, it makes no difference, Vtols don't need runways what runways are there are for conventional air craft, Also considering the Air bases and much of the city that you have to cross are littered with more AA's only a few of the missiles will actualy get through

1. Your allies need the airbases for their interceptors.
2. VTOL craft do need airbases. Unless you think that fuel, barracks, and weapons just magically appear out of nowhere.
3. You aren't going to instantly detect all of them.
4. You aren't going to have an infinite reaction time to them.
5. It takes time to shoot them down. While an AAA unit is spending time trying to shoot down one, 5 or 6 are speeding past it.


<battlelanguage nonsense>

That's really nice, except it has absolutely no bearing on how many missiles you can shoot down. A very large number of them are going to get through, you're simply going to have to accept that.


As for the CDB's the half a ton warhead would have damaged the Armoured structure, but it is built into 60,000 + Tons of Earth above it in the form of a Cliff, plus Titrete is designed with these weapons in mind, to effectivly counter these weapons would be to place a tomahawk or equivalent through the slit of the Bunker and hit the internals.

Or, something im surprised none of you had noticed, The Great Cooling vents ontop of the cliff :p

Good. The Kh-555 has a slightly bigger warhead than the Tomahawk. 'Tis killed.

Doesn't matter if they can track track multiple targets if they can only fire on them one at a time. And while 120,000 rounds a minute sounds nice, it means absolutely nothing when it comes to increasing the effectiveness of your AAA. It just means that you go through your ammunition quicker.



1. Your allies need the airbases for their interceptors.
2. VTOL craft do need airbases. Unless you think that fuel, barracks, and weapons just magically appear out of nowhere.
3. You aren't going to instantly detect all of them.
4. You aren't going to have an infinite reaction time to them.
5. It takes time to shoot them down. While an AAA unit is spending time trying to shoot down one, 5 or 6 are speeding past it.



That's really nice, except it has absolutely no bearing on how many missiles you can shoot down. A very large number of them are going to get through, you're simply going to have to accept that.



Good. The Kh-555 has a slightly bigger warhead than the Tomahawk. 'Tis killed.


1. Your allies need the airbases for their interceptors.

they have Created their own, air bases in the areas they were deployed at, you've only hit mine

2. VTOL craft do need airbases. Unless you think that fuel, barracks, and weapons just magically appear out of nowhere.

Correct, but They can be brought up via trucks from Depots elsewhere in the city, will take more time, but at present i am not using Vtols, so the effectivness of the Air Bases has barley been reduced


3. You aren't going to instantly detect all of them.

How can't I with full radar coverage of my nation + all the other allies using Radar, im pretty sure that the missiles will be detected long before they reach the Shores


4. You aren't going to have an infinite reaction time to them. Infinate reaction time?

The Command relay in instinatious and broadcast to all units at the same time, when one AA unit recives instructions to open fire on X, they all recive the same instructions


5. It takes time to shoot them down. While an AAA unit is spending time trying to shoot down one, 5 or 6 are speeding past it.

The Sheer amount of lead being lobbed into the air, creates a barrier, now firing 120,000 shots into the air does make a hell of a lot of difference, because each bullet doesn't follow the same path, the bullets fly wide from their origonal targets, they are designed to spread out from the weapon during flight, carpeting the air with bullets.

That's really nice, except it has absolutely no bearing on how many missiles you can shoot down. A very large number of them are going to get through, you're simply going to have to accept that.


The Reason that the AA systems are so effective is because of their Ability to Communicate between the Command Relay and the Units, Co-ordinating effots to bring down the missiles.

The CDB, ok its dead...

they have Created their own, air bases in the areas they were deployed at, you've only hit mine


1. That's bull. You cannot instantly create airbases.
2. It's on your territory, and hence considered yours and targeted.


How can't I with full radar coverage of my nation + all the other allies using Radar, im pretty sure that the missiles will be detected long before they reach the Shores

Because Over The Horizon radar isn't going to get them instantly nor superaccurately. I'm being generous and assuming that you do have a (very large and easy to hit) OTH radar.


The Command relay in instinatious and broadcast to all units at the same time, when one AA unit recives instructions to open fire on X, they all recive the same instructions


Which means absolutely nothing for the fact that your reaction time is going to be limited.


The Sheer amount of lead being lobbed into the air, creates a barrier, now firing 120,000 shots into the air does make a hell of a lot of difference, because each bullet doesn't follow the same path, the bullets fly wide from their origonal targets, they are designed to spread out from the weapon during flight, carpeting the air with bullets.

That's nice. It's still going to take a couple of seconds to target each missile, shoot at it, and make sure its down.


The Reason that the AA systems are so effective is because of their Ability to Communicate between the Command Relay and the Units, Co-ordinating effots to bring down the missiles.

And you don't think that there was a similar amount of cooperation was going on in the USN against the kamikazes? Yet 14% still managed to break through, despite the fact that they had a much better defense system than you do and were facing rather inept pilots.

Heck, even if you had a 99% success rate, which you don't, that's 72 missiles that get through and trash their targets.

Regardless i dont know why we are arguing the point, Missiles got through i took the damage, further posts involving multple attacks will result in Rp the hits of some and giving total damage at the end of the post, End of Argument

FYI, Civitas, all Kraven-allied forces are getting the full benefit of the radar from my carriers, which is quite precise and powerful.

Also, the kamikaze comparison is not really apt, since in the days of kamikazes there weren't computer controlled weapons.

My own CIWS could easily EXCEED the performance of Kraven's, considering that I use a little PMT toy known as guided ammo. Being able to shoot down large numbers of missiles at once isn't a godmod. Even the MT US Navy can perform a similar feat-- it's what AEGIS is for. Kraven's system is even better in some ways than that.


What is, though, is Velkya's fighters dogfighting at Mach 5. That's not possible. You can make noises about "advanced hybrid maneuvering surfaces" all you want, but the fact remains that you cannot negate inertia.

Sweet, the game's unpaused.

With that in mind, I have some things I'd like to discuss.

Dweladelfia prime: We still haven't figured out where the nearly fifteen hundred antishipping missiles I've dropped on that fleet of yours have gone to. As for the counterattack you've launched, unless you've got some newfangled guidance system I should know about, I think we can assume that my bombers' impeccible offensive and defensive avionics have taken care of them.

Velkya: I'd like to hear a full technical rundown on whatever the hell enables your aircraft to dogfight as if they were the fabled P-51 Mustang at speeds in excess of Mach 4. My bombers, with 440,000 pounds of thrust, are only capable of flying in an extrodinarily linear fashion not because of their engines, but because the sheer air speed negates making any sharp movements. If it weren't for self-propelled rounds, my guns wouldn't even work at such speeds either simply due to wind resistence. I, for one, don't believe technology exists that would allow Mach 4 dogfighting, even if we're going to take PMT to its ceiling at 2060.

Additionally, I want to see the profile for that Arkbird bomber. Its performance is preposterous.

How is the Arkbird's preformance preposterous? It's top speed is Mach 1.4, and it manuvers like a whale. It's precisely the reason it has laser point defenses. The profile is somewhere on International Incidents. Try a search.

The RADF's godly manvuring ability at high speeds comes from the following things:

-2 advanced 360-nozzle vectored thrust engines.
-A solid, nearly 70% titanium airframe, which ensures a lightweight and lightweight aircraft.
-Advanced AI system capable of managing engines and manuvring surfaces, which decides which system(s) would be best to acheive the pilot's command input.

It's not like these are cheap, a RADF-2 costs close to 100 million U.S. to build.

The great thing is, my enemies continually up my dogfighting speed. My top speed with the jet engines is Mach 3. Dofighting is usually conducted at (tops) Mach 2, not 4 or 5.

FYI, Civitas, all Kraven-allied forces are getting the full benefit of the radar from my carriers, which is quite precise and powerful.

Also, the kamikaze comparison is not really apt, since in the days of kamikazes there weren't computer controlled weapons.

And now you've got computer controlled missiles as well. And it is apt, because its the best comparison that we actually have.


My own CIWS could easily EXCEED the performance of Kraven's, considering that I use a little PMT toy known as guided ammo. Being able to shoot down large numbers of missiles at once isn't a godmod. Even the MT US Navy can perform a similar feat-- it's what AEGIS is for. Kraven's system is even better in some ways than that.

Being able to shoot down 7,200 missiles at once is.


What is, though, is Velkya's fighters dogfighting at Mach 5. That's not possible. You can make noises about "advanced hybrid maneuvering surfaces" all you want, but the fact remains that you cannot negate inertia.

Sounds just as reasonable as flying dreadnoughts to me.

My top speed with SCRAM jets and conventional engines is Mach 6. MY FIGHTERS DO NOT DOGFIGHT AT MACH 5. Where you are getting this from is beyond me.

Axis, you are invincible. Between flying carriers and X-Ray bombs, you are impossible to harm, which is a god-mod. Even Bretton's Peacemakers and Aribiters have weakpoints (he nailed a RADF, thats an impressive feat), no matter how powerful. You're creations are a god-mod in and of themselves.

And now you've got computer controlled missiles as well. And it is apt, because its the best comparison that we actually have.



Being able to shoot down 7,200 missiles at once is.


If someone launched that many against me, I'd simply break out the tac nuke anti-missile spam warheads. Nothing clears the air like a 1.5kt nuclear explosion after all *shrug*



Sounds just as reasonable as flying dreadnoughts to me.


Now that's just a cheap shot. My skyships are expensive and have rather specialized basing requirements. On top of that, I only refer to the biggest class as a dreadnaught-- and there are only a few of them in my entire air navy. As a matter of fact, their expense is the entire reason I developed the destroyer class-- I'll be phasing out the dreadnaughts presently.

The only reason I can even afford them is that as a more or less landlocked nation, I don't spend anything on a blue-water navy but a pittance on some coastal stuff for the single city near the sea that I have (which has a draft too shallow to allow for anything 'sides cargo ships or really tiny destroyers or whatever-- thus a waste of time to have a blue water navy).

Edit: Velkya, no one's even engaged my skyships yet. And yeah, they are strong against aircraft and AA weapons-- that's how they're supposed to be.

I have designed weaknesses into them, such as the aforementioned basing requirements and expenses. On top of that, they're rather slow compared to smaller craft, and on top of that don't maneuver particularly well.

To quote SD users, "Be creative".

If you don't have sufficiently powerful AA weapons to deal with them, that's your problem, not mine. Hardly a godmod.

I'll look into this mach 5 thing-- Bretton was going on and on about it on MSN. I suspect this is a little wording problem like we had earlier that is just a simple misunderstanding.

If someone launched that many against me, I'd simply break out the tac nuke anti-missile spam warheads. Nothing clears the air like a 1.5kt nuclear explosion after all *shrug*


True, and that's my own strategy as well, but no WMD in this RP.


Now that's just a cheap shot. My skyships are expensive and have rather specialized basing requirements. On top of that, I only refer to the biggest class as a dreadnaught-- and there are only a few of them in my entire air navy. As a matter of fact, their expense is the entire reason I developed the destroyer class-- I'll be phasing out the dreadnaughts presently.

The only reason I can even afford them is that as a more or less landlocked nation, I don't spend anything on a blue-water navy but a pittance on some coastal stuff for the single city near the sea that I have (which has a draft too shallow to allow for anything 'sides cargo ships or really tiny destroyers or whatever-- thus a waste of time to have a blue water navy).


Not a cheap shot at all. Those ships are just as realistic and possible as dogfighting at Mach 5. In other words, they aren't.

True, and that's my own strategy as well, but no WMD in this RP.



Not a cheap shot at all. Those ships are just as realistic and possible as dogfighting at Mach 5. In other words, they aren't.

Defensive missiles arn't WMDs.

And they're perfectly possible, given the basing requirements and expenses expended, at a PMT level. Fusion power plus tesla turbines plus (for the bigger ones) channel wings = possible.

Defensive missiles arn't WMDs.


Nuclear ones are, and if you're going to use them on defense, I see no reason for not using them on offense against military structures.


And they're perfectly possible, given the basing requirements and expenses expended, at a PMT level. Fusion power plus tesla turbines plus (for the bigger ones) channel wings = possible.

Tesla turbines aren't as good as regular ones.

Nuclear ones are, and if you're going to use them on defense, I see no reason for not using them on offense against military structures.



Tesla turbines aren't as good as regular ones.

True, but I can power them with electricity, which I can't with normal turbines. They sure beat ducted fans, which was what I was using before I talked to Sileetris.

I compensate for a somewhat lower efficiency by just using a lot. It isn't pretty, but it does work.

This entire concept would be impossible if I had to power them with conventional jet engines of assorted types. Can you imagine the explosion one of these would make if it was loaded with jet fuel and took a missile in the wrong place? ;)

Also I talked to Kraven on MSN and we agreed I won't use my antimissile tacs for the moment as it'd just cause more controversy.