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Well, my own life has been kind of hectic, with the baby's 1st B-day a few days past, but now that things have calmed, everyone is vanished...

But, if Hog and Prae want to pull out, I think we could all comprimise on something. With things pretty much contained in Gholgoth, it wouldn't be a stretch for AMF and I to put enough death in the air to drive everyone back and allow for something of a cease-fire, if only until we can all, OOCly, commit fully to this thing, or even deal with it another way, down the road.

I know I, for one, have enjoyed the hell out of my time playing with Sarzonia, and would like to keep things popping with this war. But, if worse comes to worse and we have to cancel or delay this, I won't mind. I have a few other things in mind, and I think Tilsitsin is eager for a beat-down, so...

Whatever.

*AHEM* <snips>
I could jump in as an honourable stand-by until either are willing to do something. Prelude to the storm, as it were.

Yallak, that other RP I was in...well...didn't work out. So I'm about free now (Other than RL).

Put me down for Gholgoth, but no theatre yet. I'll pick soon.

EDIT:: I'll stand against Brydog.

Yallak, that other RP I was in...well...didn't work out. So I'm about free now (Other than RL).

Alright. IC my nation is supportive of Praetonia but its laws say we can't make any aggressive actions without a due reason. So you or one of your allies will need to piss me off somehow to get this started.
(About allies, Pschycotic Pschycos wants to join in the RP - if you want to allow it and bring in some of your own allies im happy to do that - if you dont just let me know.)

Alright. IC my nation is supportive of Praetonia but its laws say we can't make any aggressive actions without a due reason. So you or one of your allies will need to piss me off somehow to get this started.
(About allies, Pschycotic Pschycos wants to join in the RP - if you want to allow it and bring in some of your own allies im happy to do that - if you dont just let me know.)

Alright, I was thinking about Dracun Imperium.

Sorry for being an AFK idiot AMF. I'll be doing a post tonight.

Yallak, what's your MSN?

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=445969

Well, here's a crossroads. If Prae and Hog are too busy and would like to duck out of the RP and pick it up in the future, here's your chance. I think the rogue nuke attack could give you guys legitimate reason to withdraw, not wanting to end up in a nuclear holocaust. Granted there will be a lot more mud slinging to come, but if you guys want to pull out and try to save face, you can.

I just want some sort of IC resolution to this, because too many of my recent war RP's either faded away or were retconned, and we have all put in too much effort to do either one.

Let me know if you want to end this or not.

Yallak, what's your MSN?

caracas_gottunterwelt@hotmail.com

Alright, I was thinking about Dracun Imperium.

Alright thats cool.

Just to apolodise AMF for the poor RPing of some of my Allies, Thrashias not bad, but what the Fallen races did was n00bish and Findan isn't the best. Still he's learning, you should have seen him before this!

Alright, I was thinking about Dracun Imperium.

Scratch that, he's switched sides to pro-Praetonia. I'll see if I can find someone.

Alright, I think I know who's going to help me, I just need to wait for a reply. When I get one I'll tell you. Now I gotta see if I can fix my MSN.

Hey AMF, your fleet hunting the submarine, how big is it and what is it's largest ship? I'm planning to attack and hopefully sink it.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=445969

Well, here's a crossroads. If Prae and Hog are too busy and would like to duck out of the RP and pick it up in the future, here's your chance. I think the rogue nuke attack could give you guys legitimate reason to withdraw, not wanting to end up in a nuclear holocaust. Granted there will be a lot more mud slinging to come, but if you guys want to pull out and try to save face, you can.

I just want some sort of IC resolution to this, because too many of my recent war RP's either faded away or were retconned, and we have all put in too much effort to do either one.

Let me know if you want to end this or not.
I would like to keep the war going. Even if the pace is slow (admittedly, I'll be posting more now so it wont be as slow as it has been) I really would like to see a decisive, interesting resolution to this. If Hogsweat, Sarz or you or anyone on your side doesnt have the time then, of course, I wouldnt mind postponing it, but other than that I say go ahead with it.

PS. Could you post when the fleet Hoggie mentioned gets clos-ish to my fleet so my subs get a chance to intercept it? Thanks.

Scratch that, he's switched sides to pro-Praetonia. I'll see if I can find someone.

Find someone for what? If it's war, I'd be glad to do it, seeing as how our last opportunity to fight someone was crushed by n00bs.

OOC: Hog, so far you have struck only at the small convoy searching for the sub, right? I briefly skimmed the post because I don't have a lot of time at the moment to read. Kinda busy at work.

Well I struck the main force that was scanning for the sub. I'm not too sure whether you sent a big fleet to look for it or just a small one. I still attacked it though.

Btw, are Findan+Co attacking AMF proper? if so, they should probably realise the Coalition have over a thousand ships there...

I see my suggestion for not having missile saturation attacks wasn't taken up by either side. *sigh*

Ok, it's only a small fleet, a few destroyers, a frigate or two, and a few subs. I noticed you launched a shitload of missiles, so if you want you can edit the number.

Btw, are Findan+Co attacking AMF proper? if so, they should probably realise the Coalition have over a thousand ships there...

I believe they are trying to attack the east/southeast side, whereas you guys are hitting the northeast/ north side.

Well what am I meant to do? Pilot fighters into the ships in ramming actions...
While I do agree with capship on capship gunbattles naval ships nowadays have substantially more missile power than gunpower. There isn't much I can do*without* missiles.

Ok, it's only a small fleet, a few destroyers, a frigate or two, and a few subs. I noticed you launched a shitload of missiles, so if you want you can edit the number.



I believe they are trying to attack the east/southeast side, whereas you guys are hitting the northeast/ north side.
kk, although some co-ordination would have been at least useful. At any rate, can you dig up that map of AMF again or is it on your home pc?

I see my suggestion for not having missile saturation attacks wasn't taken up by either side. *sigh*

Eh, I'm using it mostly in a defensive manner, IE: covering my bombers and taking out their missiles.

kk, although some co-ordination would have been at least useful. At any rate, can you dig up that map of AMF again or is it on your home pc?

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=9533891&postcount=350

Also, I'd rather keep the two theaters seperate if at all possible. It makes it easier for me to manage and keep track of who's doing what.

I see then, that's cool. thanks.

I see then, that's cool. thanks.

Thanks, it's frustrating enough dealing with stuff like a magic particle that can render radar ineffective. :rolleyes:

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=9704507&postcount=115

Wow, I never knew Gundam sucked so badly.

Wow, I never knew Gundam sucked so badly.

I don't even know how the hell Gundams work. Just some spacedy suit with wings and guns and crap?

Yes, I believe so. All the tech inside is just "fluff" created by the writer, if you will.

Yes, I believe so. All the tech inside is just "fluff" created by the writer, if you will.

So, would something like LADAR be able to detect these things since this magic particle is able to absorb and displace radar waves?

Not sure how to counter spacedy suits, alone from filling them with AAA....

Just take the "particle" as being a radar jammer. If you use a more powerful radar you'll just burn through their weaker jamming, and you can detect the source of the jamming (ie the source of the particles) and track that.

Imagine the infra-red signature a Gundam has to emit. Use that against it.

Imagine the infra-red signature a Gundam has to emit. Use that against it.


Well, here's his take on that:

OOC: Like I said in my note, you will have to detect my Aries mobile suits by sight, unless you happen to have your men on red alert and they happen to have their heat sensors focused on the sky, however thats unlikely since you were just attacked twice from the sea, and a small surpise assault from the air should be quite able to enter your country. My main plan for them is just to destroy a base or two. Not that it will hurt you in the long term.

But since you could pick my carriers on radar, but not the launching of my mobile suits, I will allow for you to come up with a more mundane way of "seeing" my mobile suits. Because they are 'gliding' so to speak inwards from 3,000 feet. Meaning any shore defenses or border based defenses will not be of much use. So I will hope your mid-country defenses are as adequate.

I love how he is stating which sensors I do and don't have active, as well as telling me that his spacedy suits are undetectable. Something that odd of a shape can't possibly deflect or evade all forms of detection.

New entrant, here. Put me down for AMF's side.

Find someone for what? If it's war, I'd be glad to do it, seeing as how our last opportunity to fight someone was crushed by n00bs.

Well aren't you helping Doom, I need someone to commit like all they got.

Unfortunately for him, you're sensor operators would have to be dumbasses to miss a pack of flying dudes at three thousand feet releasing infra-red signatures up the ass. I mean, c'mon.

Three strategies vs. Gundam tech:

1) Use earlier anime programmes against him: mighty wave cannon of death (ca. 1970s series)
2) Have beings that can detect "magic" or sensors that provide alerts in the absence of readings (whether built-in test and evaluation (BITE) software or whatever)
3) Have them land in minefields whilst being shot at by the locals.

Personally, I prefer the last one, but I'm a little perverse that way.

I also like Thrashia's misuse of "Fox" as a callsign... Oh, the humanity.

New entrant, here. Put me down for AMF's side.

TG Borman Empire he might want your help

AMF, download a Gundum show and watch it..see how the bad guys do it. :p

I'd have posted this hours ago, but the forums weren't working for me. Oh well:


Regardless of what he's stating, mobile suits are quite detectable by EO, LADAR/LIDAR, and IR means. Indeed, I've even seen what are clearly long-range detection systems (ostensibly IR or LIDAR) being used throughout most of the various gundam series. Officially, EO is the primary sensor, while IR and LIDAR, though degraded somewhat, are still quite effective. The main thing is that the electromagnetic field created by the minovsky particles has an adverse effect on guided missiles, so AA guns will be more effective.
In a few of the series, there are units with your standard futuristic cloaking systems, but even those aren't perfect (ie can't stay cloaked for very long; & projectiles are visible, so just shoot at the source).

Another very important thing is that the mobile suits do not spread minovsky particles automatically. They store them and dump them en mass as a radar jamming system (in fact, they have radars themselves). All radars will work perfectly well before they dump the particles, and if he forgets to mention he does that . . . ;)

Some info on Gundam physics (http://www.answers.com/topic/minovsky-physics).
Check under "sensors" (http://www.gundamofficial.com/worlds/uc/background/glossary_technology.html)


Oh yeah, you can also nail his carrier aircraft with SAMs. At 4000 ft, a radar could detect them at least 150 km away. If you have them stationed at higher altitudes or with telesoping arrays, which you should, you could easily detect them 200 km out or more. And knowing AMF, there shouldn't be that much of a hole in the air defense network. The carriers are quite big too, so they're easy targets, though they'll take quite a few missiles to down.

Thank you for the info CSJ, I know fuck-all about Gundams.

I did just that, except I allowed him to advance a mile or so inland so that he would be taking fire from all around. While I fired a decent amount of SAM's, I literally blackened the skies with AAA.

I had talked to Artitsa on AIM while I was posting, and he also helped me come up with a means of fighting Gundams.

Of course if I actually knew the first thing about them I would be more comfortable fighting them.....

Can I just make an observation on the more recent posts by Hoggie and Praetonia?

Since when did such navies become so friggen "invincible"? They've been hit with quite an EMP Effect, and your managing to somehow whorde off an incredible attack on behalf of Automagfreek... with, 70 / 80 Fighters? Yet, even though most of said targeting / defense system should technically be down (unless you have managed to replace much of the ship's wiring in a matter of hours), your naval forces remain so overly competant?

Come on guys, dont be such knuckleheads. Take the losses you ought to, and keep this RP from turning into the usual "MY STEEL PENIS IS SO HUGE!" roleplays, II has become so infamous for.

Come on guys, dont be such knuckleheads. Take the losses you ought to, and keep this RP from turning into the usual "MY STEEL PENIS IS SO HUGE!" roleplays, II has become so infamous for.Who died and gave you the right to determine the kind of losses someone else should take? :rolleyes: AMF's attack wasn't so incredible that any navy should take a mega loss. Missiles against Trimaran-hulled warships (which is almost Prae's entire navy) don't have much of an effect. Missiles against regular battleships (think the Iowa) don't do very much. Against the gigantic behemoth battleships with insanely thick armour, it's going to take an ENORMOUS cadre of missiles to get a mission kill, let alone sink the bloody thing.

There are holes in the missile saturation strategy and an accomplished and experienced navy is likely to find the holes in such a strategy and exploit them.

Technically they were torpedos. ;)

Can I just make an observation on the more recent posts by Hoggie and Praetonia?

Since when did such navies become so friggen "invincible"? They've been hit with quite an EMP Effect, and your managing to somehow whorde off an incredible attack on behalf of Automagfreek... with, 70 / 80 Fighters? Yet, even though most of said targeting / defense system should technically be down (unless you have managed to replace much of the ship's wiring in a matter of hours), your naval forces remain so overly competant?

Come on guys, dont be such knuckleheads. Take the losses you ought to, and keep this RP from turning into the usual "MY STEEL PENIS IS SO HUGE!" roleplays, II has become so infamous for.
Because a single nuclear missile hit the Cariya Islands, not my fleets directly, which is several miles away. As I have said, the targetting systems of a lot of my ships are not in fact down. The Triumphant (being a supedreadnaught with significant EMP shielding, is onyl affected by the EMP at all because it was so close. I should also point out that EMP causes little physical damage to a shielded target and (such as one the Triumphant) it will only take a few hours to reset all the computers etc. As I explained, the fighters which are attacking his bombers were maintaining long-distance CAP patrols (which I posted launching before AMF's nuclear attack, if you want to be pedantic) and were too far away to be affected by the EMP.

On the other hand, I think the losses I have taken are extremely fair - around half of my fleet is sunk (admittedly mainly escorts, but that isnt to be unexpect as escorts, by definition, are smaller and less well protected than larger vessels) and the PSDN (Pocket Superdreadnaught) is very heavily damaged and, if it escapes, will not take any further part in the war for some considerable amount of time whilst it's being repaired.

In short, I would appreciate it if you actually followed the thread - a hit on a nearby target by a single nuclear missile is not going to destroy a fleet of around 200 ships in its entirety, nor is it going to sink a Pocket Super Dreadnaught, or knock out fighters flying many miles distant. This is especially fair when you consider that even if I "win" this current battle all I will have achieved is the prevention of the complete and utter destruction of a fleet, and I will still have lost an awful lot of manpower and vessels.

They've been hit with quite an EMP Effect, and your managing to somehow whorde off an incredible attack on behalf of Automagfreek... with, 70 / 80 Fighters?

Well...in reality it's not so incredible of an attack.

My forces are pretty much feigning stupidity to try and sucker their fleets in. Although if their commanders look at what's happening with the other parties involving in attacking me, they may be less inclined to think said stupidity is real. Oh well, we'll see.

AU, I hope you'd be more critical of posts like this: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=9708282&postcount=127

RPing the movements of my assets and taking absurdly few losses considering the mess he just stepped in? Please.....

Agreed. There werent any escorting fighters or anything really... not an amazing attack... especially using torpedos which need to get within about 4 miles of their targets maximum (not really sure how that happened, but I dont really care) and then random missile spam which, as we both proved in indecisive attacks upon each other at the beginning of the battle, dont really do an awful lot when you consider how many missiles you have to fire. On the other hand using "gundams" or any other kind of anime rubbish isnt, IMO, very good form when this has always been a MT (well MT in the commonly accepted sense... not the "only use RL vehicles" sense) RP.

Agreed. There werent any escorting fighters or anything really... not an amazing attack... especially using torpedos which need to get within about 4 miles of their targets maximum (not really sure how that happened, but I dont really care) and then random missile spam which, as we both proved in indecisive attacks upon each other at the beginning of the battle, dont really do an awful lot when you consider how many missiles you have to fire. On the other hand using "gundams" or any other kind of anime rubbish isnt, IMO, very good form when this has always been a MT (well MT in the commonly accepted sense... not the "only use RL vehicles" sense) RP.


I could care less about his spacedy suits, but what I do care about is the considerable lack of damage on his behalf, considering he has dozens upon dozens of shore and naval batteries firing at his 50 Gundams at once. But what gets me is how he is RPing the movements of my fighters, but I'll handle it with as much tact as possible.

Well... I was under the assumption that my fleet was far enough away (we ran to engage while Prae's forces didn't) to not even be damaged by the nuclear blast. The LPH carrying the civvies however, was >.> I imagined the same for the EMP attack. If I was wrong correct me and I'll take appropriate editing.

I could care less about his spacedy suits, but what I do care about is the considerable lack of damage on his behalf, considering he has dozens upon dozens of shore and naval batteries firing at his 50 Gundams at once. But what gets me is how he is RPing the movements of my fighters, but I'll handle it with as much tact as possible.Right now, that guy's attitude is irritating the hell out of me with his "undetectable" space suits and his demanding that you take a certain level of damage while not taking a reasonable level of damage in his own right.

Right now, that guy's attitude is irritating the hell out of me with his "undetectable" space suits and his demanding that you take a certain level of damage while not taking a reasonable level of damage in his own right.


I know, it's the typical 'future tech nation not wanting to get pWn3d by a modern tech nation'. I'll deal with him, but I posted that link as an example of some of the....true problems in this war. The nuke wasn't supposed to really do anything other than render Cariya permanently useless and take out a few ships with EMP, which is what happened.

So to me I don't even really care, because technically at this point I've inflicted the most damage (even though the nuke attack wasn't sanctioned by my government), so I don't have a whole lot to complain about.

Thrashia on the other hand......

AMF, upon what level is Doujin getting involved in this?

MSN, Sarz;)

AMF, upon what level is Doujin getting involved in this?

MSN, Sarz;)

Not sure yet, he was working on a monster post last night but the forum ate it. It would have explained everything. He said he'd try again today.

Alright. My [OOC] relations with Doujin are still touchy [ICLy we hate him >.>] so I was just interested on how much he would be involved.

MSN, Sarz;)I can't get on MSN when I'm at work, which I am ATM. By the time I *can* get onto MSN, you'll probably be asleep.

Such is the curse of a five hour time difference... :(

Oh right, kk then.

Oh right, kk then.I *could* be persuaded to get onto AIM if need be. ;)

Sarzo, since you have a reporting background, would you mind working with me to write a Wiki article about the war?

I tried to get started last night but I haven't the foggiest on how to use NSWiki.....

Sarzo, since you have a reporting background, would you mind working with me to write a Wiki article about the war?I'd love to work with you on that. I'll ask Tim (Pacitalia) to give me a tutorial on how to actually *create* a new article under the War category, but I'd be glad to work with you on it. And since the writers are from each "side," it should forestall any questions about objectivity.

I was also considering doing a Wiki article on the Sarz-Panteran War (which is my name for the war between me and Pants). It could be a subset of the larger Operation Hellfire story, but that relatively short war will likely have a major effect on Sarzonia, so I think it's worth some play.

We can definitely talk about the Wiki sometime when I can get on AIM and not worry about looking over my shoulder. Damn fulltime jobs anyway! ;)

TG Borman Empire he might want your help

Heh, he joined to help me. But would you mind if I grabbed another ally, to even out the pop difference?

Heh, he joined to help me. But would you mind if I grabbed another ally, to even out the pop difference?

Not at all, take as many as you need

Not at all, take as many as you need

Excellent. Let me get my list out...
"Number 214!"

Joking, I knew who I was gonna get, but I've forgotten. And this really crazy show is on and screwing up my mind.

Well theres no rush so youve got plenty of time to watch the show and then remember who youre allied with!

Well theres no rush so youve got plenty of time to watch the show and then remember who youre allied with!

Well, I'll tell you one thing. I'm never watching this show again, that one scene was...well, don't watch Nip Tuck.

Aggghh. I have seen that before and can well imagine

About my characters speech, I don't mind at all (since it was sarz) but I would like to make a few changes:


"General Quinn," she said, looking at the three stars that adorned the epaulettes on Quinn's dress uniform, and promptly saluting, a Hogsweatian ritual not unlike the Nazi Heil or the Roman Ave.

"As you know, not much has happened on the Gholgoth front since the start of hostilities," Quinn said. "Except for the destruction of the Cariya Islands" The mention of the Cariya Nuking, which was already being circulated by the media as a mass murder of millions of civilians, prompted a low toned grunt from the Premier.
"and some minor battles here and there, it's been the diplomatic and military equivalent of a staring contest.

But it's time to start taking the war to those bastards and start beating them at their own game for once." The end of the Sarzonian's speech aroused a "hear hear" and some minor clapping from the Hogsweatian premier.


"With all due respect General," Maykov said matter of factly, "but your army isn't exactly.. up to the Praetonian, or even Hogsweatian.. standards."

I'm sure there'll be no problems, I have to go a bit of revision, so I'll respond soon - thanks!

The changes have been made.

thx m8!11 :sniper: :sniper: :gundge:

Aggghh. I have seen that before and can well imagine

Yeah...it's, well...it doesn't compare to a minute of either 'Over There' or 'Lost'.

Definately not.

When do you reckon you'll be ready to start the RP?

Definately not.

When do you reckon you'll be ready to start the RP?

I've been having alot of MSN problems, but I can stil get on windows messenger so we can talk that way.

But, how often are you on MSN?

Im usually only on to check my email or if ive arranged to talk to someone on it. I can be on whenever it suits you at the moment cause im on holidays!

Im usually only on to check my email or if ive arranged to talk to someone on it. I can be on whenever it suits you at the moment cause im on holidays!

Ok. I have Tuesday and Wensday off this coming week, maybe some time then?

Tuesday will be good. I'll try and be on MSN as often as i can be that day.

Tuesday will be good. I'll try and be on MSN as often as i can be that day.

Alright, nice.

Alright, Yallak and I have worked out an RP. We don't have a name yet, but we the sides.

Yallak and Pschycotic Pschycos Vs. Borman Empire and Inkana and Verghastinsel

Alright, I'm beginning to grow weary.

I understand that life gets busy for us all, I know that better than anybody. But this war is just moving to damn slow to even enjoy anymore. I have so much put on the back burner right now for the sake of this RP, and so far very little has been delivered. I speak to Praetonia and Hogsweat on this. Prae, yes we've talked about it over AIM, but this is merely how I feel.

If this war cannot continue (at least) at some acceptable pace, then I suggest we find an IC way of ending it quickly. I am extrememy frustrated because since the middle to end of August I have been waiting for this to get done. I wanted it done no later than the end of September, but here we are already into October and we haven't even seen a beach landing yet.

And I am not blaming you guys nor trying to make you feel bad, but I need this to either get going or end now. I don't care how it ends, but I will say this: I don't think that I should be 'punished' for being on NS every day ready to post. It's been a hell of an RP so far, but if it is too hard for you guys to post then let's take a day, figure out how best to end it, and let's end it.

I cannot continue on at this pace and let my other RP ideas (and the people I plan on doing them with) wait any longer.

I've got to agree with AMF here. We've all got busy lives and I've got health concerns that are weighing very heavily on my mind right now (some of the people involved here know about them). Yet, I'm still here ready to post and I've also been postponing storylines to concentrate on this war.

If there's a set time where everyone gets together to chat, please let me know and I'll make every effort to show up for it so I can at least have some input into the outcome that people decide upon. This war thread has been a lot of fun, but let's not hold things up for everyone any longer.

I'd prefer not to get into the details of my health concerns here and I would only tell selected people more than just basic info about them, but know that I'm under a LOT of stress right now.

How about a Vienna Conference of 1815 like thing the powers involved:Prea, Hog, Sarz, Aust, AMF,and I have a meeting a agree to a treaty or something. SInce with everbody's large forces its going to be a while before we see any invasions.

[OOC: Hey Sarz, not to bug you, and this is off topic and irrelevant to this thread anyways, do you want me to take up fool scoring for the futsal tournament until everything gets cleared up for this RP?]

How about a Vienna Conference of 1815 like thing the powers involved:Prea, Hog, Sarz, Aust, AMF,and I have a meeting a agree to a treaty or something. SInce with everbody's large forces its going to be a while before we see any invasions.


If I was RPing any other nation, I would say yes, but it would be breaking character for me to agree to any terms, unless of course it heavily benefitted the Empire.

It's not entirely out of the question, but we all know Dreadfire. He will want to come out on top at least on some level.

[OOC: It's a shame to see such an amazing RP go down under ignominious circumstances, but I understand where AMF's coming from. Doomingsland and Freudotopia have failed to post in my own Hellfire offshoot thread lately. Not that I blame them, because we all have RL concerns, but it can be somewhat frustrating when day after day goes by with no action.

EDIT: 1400th post! W00t.]

[OOC: Hey Sarz, not to bug you, and this is off topic and irrelevant to this thread anyways, do you want me to take up fool scoring for the futsal tournament until everything gets cleared up for this RP?]Yeah... I can just score your matches.

Sorry for the interruption AMF...

If I was RPing any other nation, I would say yes, but it would be breaking character for me to agree to any terms, unless of course it heavily benefitted the Empire.

It's not entirely out of the question, but we all know Dreadfire. He will want to come out on top at least on some level.
Yes Dreadfire would want somethign but Somethign along the lines of a nonagression pact between our nationsmeaning all the powers involved not just AMF and Findan. Or even an alliance with Dreadfire as leader...

As a non-particpant, may I make a suggestion?

Get everyone together and decide on what is to happen. Rather than merely a diplomatic post, I was thinking more along the lines of a large battle- with massive casualties on both sides. In lieu of RPing the entire battle (which would take weeks, most likely), everyone would agree on the outcome and the key details (casualties, etc). After this agreement has been reached, each participant can write up their own version of the entire battle scenario- including the casualties for each player, as long as the agreed-upon outcome and details are preserved.

Each participant presents their version of what will happen on a separate thread, and then everyone chooses one version that they think is best (but you can't choose your own version). The version everyone likes best will be posted in the main thread, and the usual diplmatic wrangling amongst the exhausted participants can then ensue.

It is slightly unorthodox, but would allow for an enormous battle scene to be written from several perspectives at the same time.

Alternatively, everyone could get together and agree in advance what would happen, then write up the battle only for their own forces (but including the agreed-upon casualties, outcome, etc) and send it in whenever they get it finished. AMF (or whomever) could then edit everything into a single magnum opus battle scene.

Just a couple of suggestions, FWIW.


TEO

Not a bad idea, but it still leaves one problem: resolution of the conflict. After said battle, one of three things will have to happen:

1. Automagfreek surrenders.

2. Praetonia and Hogsweat surrender

3. All parties commence in talks and end it diplomatically.

Now, scenarios 1 and 2 are out of the question, because it's common knowledge that AMF never surrenders no matter how grim the outlook is. I'm assuming that Praetonia and Hogsweat will not surrender to me either, as it is a matter of IC pride.

Then we come scenario 3, which in this stage of the war we would all be reluctant to do (after all the shit talking and chest puffing). Naturally Dreadfire will not agree to any terms that do not exclusively benefit the Empire, and I'm positive that Praetonia and Hogsweat will not want to be shafted.

The problem will persist no matter what steps are taken.

I think I might have an idea that could dovetail with TEO's "Mega Battle of Doom" plan. I'll have to think it out a bit more but, I think, it has a good chance of working.

I'm also going to have to reject the idea of a diplomatic end to this war because of one additional X-factor: After this war, Sarzonia will become more militant and it considers AMF an Enemy of Peace which means that Sarzonia will not rest until AMF is COMPLETELY eliminated as a threat.

Anyone who suggests that either side surrender or agree to a treaty that's anything more than Treaty of Ghent does not know the reality of these six players.

That former part is going to be a bit hard to complete, but it would make an interesting role play. Mind if I tag along with you, if AMF agrees? I would need to finish a Passion Play though...regardless, I was also planning to go extremely militant/religious after A Passion Play [which will be the reason for various religious and economic roleplays on NS]. Other roleplays nonwithstanding, I would be interested in joining Sarz in some sort of follow up to Hellfire, or whatever he had in mind...of course, only if AMF completely agrees.

Let's end it like this:

Oct. 6th, 21:33: Pantera executes a major nuclear strike against AMF.

Oct. 6th, 22:48: Damien, Azrael, Sylvia, and a number of the Warchiefs are confirmed dead.

Oct. 7th, 11:53: Minister Hartman signs AMF's formal surrender. Reavers begin landings on AMF mainland.

Oct. 8th, 19:30: Pantera is quiet because I am watching Boxing.

Oct. 9th, 04:20: Praetonia, Hogsweat, and company's rejoicing turns to horror as Pantera detonates the remainder of it's nuclear weapons deep beneath the earth'ss crust.

Oct. 9th, 04:20:30: The Evenstar dies of a massive heroin overdose.

Oct. 9th, 04:21: The world explodes.

Effective and fair to everyone.

And Dimebag rises from the dead in his second coming to re-unite the world under heavy metal?

Personally, I want to put this as far behind me as possible and move onto other things. Once again I've been left with a sour taste in my mouth.

Hmmm, I see your point AMF. I think that one of the main problems has been confusion. The whole Cariya thing, and now the invasion of AMF... well Im not quite sure why Im actually invading / trying to destroy you. I always thought you would try to invade me, which doesnt seem to be happening, and although Im perfectly willing to invade you, it wasted an awful lot of time. It probably would have worked better if it had started with either you or us actually attempting an invasion straight off, rather than bogging down in this Cariya skirmish and random diplomatic mud slinging. If we're going to get on with it, it may be best to skip some stuff and just go straight to an invasion of one or other of our nations. Right now, partly because of my RL workload and partly because of time differences, even if I put all my spare time into NS it wouldnt be possible to get more than 2 posts on the thread out per day, assuming that you would need to respond to each one before posting the other.

That's a good point Prae... when Pantera and I were talking about our front of the war, we all quickly got on the same page OOCly in terms of what his goals were, what mine would be, and how things would start. We didn't have a set outcome in mind until the IC hostilities were well underway, but we were clear about what was going to happen. That made a HUGE difference.

If we postpone the hostilities until sometime when we're not all quite as busy, we might be able to come up with clearer objectives. Does AMF want to teach Hogsweat a lesson for challenging it about Cariya? Does Prae want AMF's land for itself?

Believe me, I don't advocate pre-determined outcomes of RPs. I hate them with a passion and I only did the Inkana RP as a favour to him. But I do believe that you should map out the basics before you get started so that everyone can be on the same page. And be willing to discuss things that need to be changed/worked on. That cooperation was one of the major reasons the war against Pantera was so enjoyable for me and Pantera.

Reading Sarzonia's last post I agree with AMF and I'd like to end this RP asap. My deepest apologies over my lack of posting, I'm very sorry for what it has done.

I don't mind the outcome, although I would prefer it if Hogsweat could claim some IC pride out of it.

Well since AMF just tunred down an armistace offer my Aust and I, we can all focus on bringing him down, I've got a fleet approching him so...hopefully I can pull something off.

Thats a big hope mate, I'd do what I'm doing and try to stave off his assult then moved forward to attack while he's weak.

The cannons where ready, not the old gunpoweder types of old-not in t he first line of defence- but new, huge machines cpable of firing explosives over hundreds of miles.

And what type of cannons might these be?

And what type of cannons might these be?

I would suspect he's using railguns if they can fire projectiles over hundreds of miles.