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Did everyone just miss my post? :( :( :eek:

I'll take Rotovia's offer.

Did everyone just miss my post? :( :( :eek:

Appereantly. Mind if I join on the side of Hal in this mini-war later? I've already talked to him about it and I just want to get your permission before I commit forces.

OOC: I live in Florida, theres a massive storm outside, the power might go off for a few hours (Florida Power and Light is a bunch of monkeys).

I'm joining on Praetonia's side. Yeah! :)

I'll fight anyone who wants to fight me. Just don't piss in your pants :p (Just Kidding)

I'd be interested in getting involved in this, seeing as I've never been involved in a full-scale war. Any takers? I'd be on the side of AMF, since I rejoined NATO.

Depending upon my status in NATO (which looks like I'll have to leave), I think it would be interesting to take you on. Artitsa and I have pledged to fight together so you could either have it 2 vs. 1 or find another nation and balance it out.

Soldiers trot, bodies rot... [Kriegos-Crimmond Conflict] (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=9517383#post9517383)

Guess what this is.

Depending upon my status in NATO (which looks like I'll have to leave), I think it would be interesting to take you on. Artitsa and I have pledged to fight together so you could either have it 2 vs. 1 or find another nation and balance it out.

Whoops, I misunderstood that as me and Artitsa against you. I'll have to find an ally.

ooc: I'll take on Artitsa.

I'm up for it. If you'd like to get another nation to balance it out, feel free. If you don't, it's all good. That'll be up to you, but I'm up for a war.

Since you'd be the one fighting Hamptonshire and Artitsa the decision on bringing in another nation is yours. We should talk on AIM as soon as possible to iron out details and the general story line.

ooc: Yea, anyway, Euroslavia, what's your MSN?

Can we have a two-sided war?

Since you'd be the one fighting Hamptonshire and Artitsa the decision on bringing in another nation is yours. We should talk on AIM as soon as possible to iron out details and the general story line.

Sorry about that, I misunderstood your post. Yea, my AIM is still Euroslavia.

Well, I can help Euro, if he still wants me to...

I wanna join this RP, a massive war is what my country needs to get out of its long isolationalism. I'll join whichever side has less countries backing him up, dont have any conviction on who to help out.

Well, I can help Euro, if he still wants me to...

'Course I do. :)

I need an actual MAJOR nation to go up against, so maybe Lesser Ribena or whoever wants to face me.

ooc: Changed my mind, SB can fight artitsa.... just give me anyone but CSJ or Verdant.

ooc: Changed my mind, SB can fight artitsa.... just give me anyone but CSJ or Verdant.

OOC: Ya I am completely nervous of a few people because its not just that my skills are better then most July 05 players on here, but its that the other ones are more then 04 players (like me) that have had 10x as much experience and over twice the time to plan for things in advance. By comparison Kjata Major is a speck on the ceiling.

Come on people, I'll fight one you. I don't care if your 04, 03 or even 02 (if there are any still active).

ooc: Ok, last vacillation. I chose CSJ.

Come on people, I'll fight one you. I don't care if your 04, 03 or even 02 (if there are any still active).


If Jagada contiues to do nothing, you can join me and halbergardia fighting doom..

Come on people, I'll fight one you. I don't care if your 04, 03 or even 02 (if there are any still active).

Come help me against Doomingsland! Right now it's just me, Willink, and Jagada. Ask Doom and the others if it's OK, but I could use all the help I can get! :p

That would be four against one! Thats a little unfair. If Doom wants, I'll join his side and you guys get one more person and we'll fight with you. How does that sound?

I'll take Rotovia's offer.
Glad to hear it. ;)

That would be four against one! Thats a little unfair. If Doom wants, I'll join his side and you guys get one more person and we'll fight with you. How does that sound?

No, no, NO. We've got enough to deal with with Doomingsland alone! :p

That would be four against one! Thats a little unfair. If Doom wants, I'll join his side and you guys get one more person and we'll fight with you. How does that sound?Do that and kiss your prospective membership to Woodstock Pact goodbye.

Do that and kiss your prospective membership to Woodstock Pact goodbye.

I never said anything ;)

Sorry guys, works been a killer and I got in early and come home late. Though, all is not lost. I'll have a good deal of time off starting tomorrow, so I'll be able to be VERY active.

Art, my nation is one to hold grudges. I made modifications to how I run right after that little fiasco where you sank the War. Mainly thicker armor and more anti-missile tech. Plus, I got some planes of my own that do basically what those that you threw at me do. I'd take you on.

I may not have the naval numbers that you do, but I'll make due. If I can pull it into a land war, then I'd really shine.

Your 7 SDs vs my 2. Almost suicide eh?

And, if you agree, I could go into more depth on the SCR that I mentioned on page two of The End Of All Things To Come.

I place a million-dollar bet on AMF. Sorry Prae. :)

ooc: hmm... I guess the volunteer fighter squadron idea didn't exactly fly... so, with the intent of not getting left out of what seems to be a really good RP, I'll post this. Sign me up for AMF's side, anyone wanna fight go say so.

ic:

Television sets tuned throughout the world to Bonstocknian Satellite Television, which pretty much broadcasted news with a Bonstocknian bias. Today, on the main news, a young anchorwoman sat behind the desk. A news ticker at the bottom read messages like, "Communist spy found and shot in Port Yuko today, no details... President Harald Gustavsson's popularity rating nears 100%... Student riots end peacefully with no deaths at the University of Zecrostrand..." The woman began to speak. "Good evening, I'm Alexa Rocen, BSTV news. Our top story tonight President Harald Gustavsson approved the donation of a whole ship load of war material for AMF, as tribute to Lord Damien Dreadfire. The President was quoted as saying relations between AMF and Bonstock are improving, and that despite past differences, a healthy relationship with the global superpower could be established. The President added that Bonstock would be willing to send thousands more ships full of all sorts of war goods for AMF, if they agree to pay for the equipment, so as to ease the strain on AMF's war machine. So far no one in the international community has made a comment."

If my last post is too unreasonable, let me know. It was hastily written and probably has a fair share of spelling errors.

If my last post is too unreasonable, let me know. It was hastily written and probably has a fair share of spelling errors.
Gentle nudge to remind you The Parthians accepted my offer...

For Glory, For Honor (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=440279)

Eventually will become a large war involving four nations.

Right now it's just Hamptonshire v Euroslavia but Artitsa and one other nation will be joining in.

I place a million-dollar bet on AMF. Sorry Prae. :)Hope you've got enough money in your bank accounts to pay up...

AMF, I must salute you for this (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=9518952&postcount=3). You know how hard it was for me to leave NATO, but bravo for the excellent retort :)

Your response actually contains more IC truth than you could know. If you IM me, you might just see how much...

AMF, I must salute you for this (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=9518952&postcount=3). You know how hard it was for me to leave NATO, but bravo for the excellent retort :)

Your response actually contains more IC truth than you could know. If you IM me, you might just see how much...


Nothing but love OOCly man, that was strictly IC. :)

Nothing but love OOCly man, that was strictly IC. :)

I'd expect nothing less from you. To be honest there was a part of me that has always wanted to be on the wrong side of an issue with you, just to see how it felt like.

I have to say, in a way that would get me arrested in 48 out of the 50 United States, it feels damned good.

This is turning out pretty good..so far ;-)

This is turning out pretty good..so far ;-)

Yes, nice trade off. We both took a little damage and lost a few, pretty much even.

But you do realize that if you give chase you will be caught in the AMF-Panteran straight? A deadly bottleneck of coastal and naval artillery, with mines on both sides of the opening.

AMF, I must salute you for this (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=9518952&postcount=3). You know how hard it was for me to leave NATO, but bravo for the excellent retort :)

Your response actually contains more IC truth than you could know. If you IM me, you might just see how much...


Holy crap.....that was about the BEST retort in the HISTORY of retorts. For some reason it had a Soviet Union feel to it, but that may have been just me. Great IC post.

AMF, I must salute you for this (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=9518952&postcount=3). You know how hard it was for me to leave NATO, but bravo for the excellent retort :)

Your response actually contains more IC truth than you could know. If you IM me, you might just see how much...

Ouch. Outside of that, do I have the go-ahead to join Hal?

I need an actual MAJOR nation to go up against, so maybe Lesser Ribena or whoever wants to face me.

I don't mid fighting Kjata Major if he wants to. Though bear in mind that my army's not up to much and most of my government spending goes onto the Navy.

You can probably take that as a provisional declaration of theatre.

Sure thing, I will still send Commanders Nike and Victoria to deal with Hussariot. Their forces are just 0.005% of my population. Meaning they are so small that even Hussariot will be 40x stronger in comparison.

Hmm...seems like you might have to attack me. Cause my naval forces are total crap. Best way to win against Kjata Major fast, it to strike the heart of the religious temple. In Filo, (once called Kagoshima). Though taking the west side of Kyushu is nearly impossible you might want to try a north west approach.

(Earth X we own Malaysia and all that lies between basically. Though we are small in the NS world)

Make an OOC thread and an IC thread?

Sure thing, most of my fighting would have to be marines though as my army is very small, I would probably send the Navy in first to clear a route for a follow up task force and then we can duke it out on land.

Sure thing, most of my fighting would have to be marines though as my army is very small, I would probably send the Navy in first to clear a route for a follow up task force and then we can duke it out on land.

As to the threads, so you mind starting them off as I don't have much time at the moment. Thanks.

Ummm...since I started our thread, but Modern Atlantis hasn't deigned to reply, and I'm off from Monday, it would appear that unless MA responds extremely quickly, my part in this is over...

Sure thing, most of my fighting would have to be marines though as my army is very small, I would probably send the Navy in first to clear a route for a follow up task force and then we can duke it out on land.

As to the threads, so you mind starting them off as I don't have much time at the moment. Thanks.


You still up for it?

Yep, post away!

AMF - Would it be possible for you to post a quick map of the battle area? It doesnt have to be particularly good or accurate, just a rough idea.

That would be four against one! Thats a little unfair. If Doom wants, I'll join his side and you guys get one more person and we'll fight with you. How does that sound?

How about you join the others and I'll help out Doom, for the sake of the CAD? He thinks it's all right.

How about you join the others and I'll help out Doom, for the sake of the CAD? He thinks it's all right.That makes more sense IMO.

Space Union, do you have AIM?

Sorry Kjata, got to go for the night, I will make a reply to your initial post tomorrow morning if I can get on before I go to work. If not i'll be on tomorrow evening and every day this next week. Sorry for any inconvenience.

How about you join the others and I'll help out Doom, for the sake of the CAD? He thinks it's all right.

If he fine by it, then sure I'll join.

That makes more sense IMO.

Space Union, do you have AIM?

Unfortunently I don't have AIM or MSN :(

Sorry Kjata, got to go for the night, I will make a reply to your initial post tomorrow morning if I can get on before I go to work. If not i'll be on tomorrow evening and every day this next week. Sorry for any inconvenience.

OK np! I understand.

Great! I'll just jump right in, read everything, and then try to post tonight or tomorrow. Preseason soccer training is taking a lot out of me, but I should be able to cook up a decent first post.

Euroslavia is no longer going to participate in this war. It's just really out of character for my leader to jump into a war, because she always resorts to diplomacy first, so yea, apologies for any confusion, but its just completely out of character for her.

Unfortunently I don't have AIM or MSN :(Unfortunate. Please check the Woodstock Pact thread for a question I have so we don't clutter this thread.

Euroslavia is no longer going to participate in this war. It's just really out of character for my leader to jump into a war, because she always resorts to diplomacy first, so yea, apologies for any confusion, but its just completely out of character for her.Wow... and I'd written a condemnation of Euroslavia too. That's going to be pretty thorny for me to wiggle out of that.

I thought the crux was that you weren't jumping right into war, but you were trying to negotiate and those negotiations broke down...

Euroslavia is no longer going to participate in this war. It's just really out of character for my leader to jump into a war, because she always resorts to diplomacy first, so yea, apologies for any confusion, but its just completely out of character for her.

Have a person do something crazy and then have her forced into it.

Aren't Euroslavia and Sarzonia allied through the UWP? :p

Aren't Euroslavia and Sarzonia allied through the UWP? :p
Ya! That could work!

Ya! That could work!Yes, we are. That could force Euroslavia to declare neutrality, however. Or since I've severed relations with his government in my post, that could force his hand.

Yes, we are. That could force Euroslavia to declare neutrality, however. Or since I've severed relations with his government in my post, that could force his hand.

Just have a little conflict arise to. You have to force Euro into having a GOOD reason to get active.

Just have a little conflict arise to. You have to force Euro into having a GOOD reason to get active.Well, considering whom I'm at war with, I can't afford to have a lot of side conflicts erupting.

Not so much of a physical conflict or war, but how about a diplomatic one, where you seek to regain ties. This tie will force Euro's leaders into the war.

It's always sad to hear when nation's end their allied relations (reference to Euro and Sarzonia) :(

It's always sad to hear when nation's end their allied relations (reference to Euro and Sarzonia) :(

Though this is very true to life. They can end much faster and easier then you'd think.

Euroslavia is no longer going to participate in this war. It's just really out of character for my leader to jump into a war, because she always resorts to diplomacy first, so yea, apologies for any confusion, but its just completely out of character for her.

Well that's...that completely shoots to hell so many things. I need a new opponent now. Preferrably soon.

However, I thought that we were going to be doing the whole diplomatic route. Hamptonshire and Euroslavia were going to talks things out but the diplomatic efforts would fail (due to Hamptonshire's insistence on Armed Neutrality and Sarzonian support) thus forcing your hand.

Well that's...that completely shoots to hell so many things.

I need a new opponent now. Preferrably soon.

Edit: Nevermind, I just saw the fact that Hamptonshire and Artitsa want to fight together, and Soviet Bloc is still on the list as their enemy. Sorry about the confusion.

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Hamptonshire, I normally don't ask these things, but I've been looking to get my Passion Play a bit larger, and this AMF thing was the perfect opportunity, although it hasn't expanded past the size it was originally set for. I'm always one who likes to role play with an IC motive, and your inclusion into a Passion Play, since your an OMP supporter would be awsome.

However, having us two and HK agaisnt SafeHaven2 simply woudln't be fair, so we would have to get another "AMF supporter" to get into A Passion Play along with SafeHaven2.

If you just want to have your own thing that's cool too - I just thought I would invite you since you need a new role play. If you do decide that A Passion Play is your thing, then I bet Sigmus Octavius or Celack would be happy to be our opponent, along with SafeHaven2.

It's always sad to hear when nation's end their allied relations (reference to Euro and Sarzonia) :(It doesn't bother me when a NS country ends an alliance with another. That's part of life in the RL world too. I would be deeply saddened if Euro and I ended our OOC friendship.

Roach-Busters and Sarzonia going to war was one thing. Josh and I no longer being friends was something totally different.

Re: Doomingsland Conflict

Are there any Praetonia supporters near Doomingsland that would be willing to provide bases for my military to operate from during the campaign?

Yes, we are. That could force Euroslavia to declare neutrality, however. Or since I've severed relations with his government in my post, that could force his hand.

I have multiple reasons for withdrawing, along with the fact that its out of character for my leader to even think about war.

I'm starting college back up in a week (with 16 credits), moderating these forums, and taking on two jobs all at the same time, so I'm afraid that my dedication to this war, and the overall perspective of things would be minimal. Apologies especially to Hamptonshire for doing so, but it just wouldn't be fair to any of the nations involved.

If you could possibly just edit out your response to my nation (because I'm probably going to delete my post), that would work out well. I'm probably just going to declare my neutrality, and end it there.

Best wishes at college, Euroslavia, and sorry that it's too near the start of term for a war -- though the out-of-character-for-your-country problem, as you noted, would have been a bit of a thorny situation.

If you could possibly just edit out your response to my nation (because I'm probably going to delete my post), that would work out well. I'm probably just going to declare my neutrality, and end it there.With no small measure of disappointment, I have done so. I hold nothing against you Euro and I definitely appreciate the hard work you have lined up, but my post was just so damn good. ;)

As a result, Sarzonian-Euroslav relations are NOT severed, all Euroslav citizens, embassy, and consular staffs may remain in Sarzonia, and Sarzonia does NOT resign from the Union of World Powers.

Best of luck in school and with everything, though I know we will be in touch. :p

CSJ, you're really the only one on this side I've ever been allied with in a conflict, so if you want to collaborate on this one, I'd be okay with that.
I certainly wouldn't mind working together. We'd still need someone to go up against though . . .



ooc: Ok, last vacillation. I chose CSJ.
You remember what I mentioned about wanked tech on your Blowtorch missile thread?
No offense intended, but I actually don't accept much of your technology, and though I don't do soft ignores like some others, I have intentionally avoided military confrontation in the past to prevent problems. Since I like to be in control, and I can't make a hypocrite of myself by accepting one player and not another, I'm afraid I must decline.
If the tech issue can be worked out, however, I'm fine. But, uh, you might want to find some help . . . ;)

Beyond that, you could try and weasel your way into another conflict. There are a few mismatches here that might be up you alley. And if it makes you feel any better, the reason I left myself open was that all my picks had already been taken.

Best wishes at college, Euroslavia, and sorry that it's too near the start of term for a war -- though the out-of-character-for-your-country problem, as you noted, would have been a bit of a thorny situation.

Heh, I started the university this last monday, but then again, I do have pretty easy classes to start the semester.

In any case, Isselmere, are you majoring in aeronautical engineering, because if you are, I'm working for a PhD at UCSD for aeronautical engineering, but I'm about seven years away from that, so I would like to ask you what classes you took for your GEs to kind of gear you towards what you needed for that major.

If you're not doing aeronautical engineering ignore this then. Heh.

I think Isselmere's just an avid reader of military tech books and such. So avid I thought and I think others may have thought he was majoring in ship design. >_>

His detail is absolutely incredible, I must say. I don't think I would have been nearly as good with PIW if it weren't for watching him put ships up and drooling over them.

In any case, Isselmere, are you majoring in aeronautical engineering, because if you are, I'm working for a PhD at UCSD for aeronautical engineering, but I'm about seven years away from that, so I would like to ask you what classes you took for your GEs to kind of gear you towards what you needed for that major.
I was in mechanical engineering for 2 years before failing out spectacularly, then going into history. Regrettably, up here we didn't have an aeronautical engineering option, though I doubt that would have saved me anyway! There are a few good aeronautical engineering books available from amazon.com and from AIAA (I can't recall exactly what the abbreviation stands for, I'm afraid) covering all ranges of capabilities from maths-inept beginner (me) to actual clever people.

Still, with dynamics, fluid mechanics, materials science, and basic electrical engineering courses you can't go wrong. Sorry I can't be of more help.

Wow....that still doesn't exactly cover on how good you got at ships, but it was amazing.

There are a few good aeronautical engineering books available from amazon.com and from AIAA (I can't recall exactly what the abbreviation stands for, I'm afraid) covering all ranges of capabilities from maths-inept beginner (me) to actual clever people.

If your interested I think the AIAA stands for one of the following:

American Institute of Aeronautics and Astronautics, Inc.

or

Aerospace Industries Association of America, Inc.

Thanks to the all great Acronym Finder (http://www.acronymfinder.com/af-query.asp?String=exact&Acronym=AIAA&Find=Find)!

LOL! SO Rib...wanna start the conflict?

Sure thing I'll get something posted up now.

Ok, sorry if my posts are gonna be sporatic at times, I am playing ffxi, watching a movie and posting on the forum all at the same time!

Don't worry about it, mine are likely to be the same.

I certainly wouldn't mind working together. We'd still need someone to go up against though . . .

Indeed. Any takers for CSJ and myself? Large, powerful countries or groupings will probably stand the best chance here.

Crap and other comments!

I go away for a while, and my allies get into a big war without me!

Wish I'd seen this coming, I'd have been willing to side with Sarzonia, et al.


TEO

Indeed. Any takers for CSJ and myself? Large, powerful countries or groupings will probably stand the best chance here.

Well, I'm thinking of being pro-AMF (havn't been added to the list, though). Of course, I'd probably die fighting both of you, even with nearly 5 billion souls ready to die for their country.

Crap and other comments!

I go away for a while, and my allies get into a big war without me!

Wish I'd seen this coming, I'd have been willing to side with Sarzonia, et al.


TEO

Welcome back TEO. :)

Now here's a suggestion.... The Evil Overlord vs....... Iuthia! Match of the Century! :p

American Institute of Aeronautics and Astronautics, Inc.
That's the one.
Thanks to the all great Acronym Finder (http://www.acronymfinder.com/af-query.asp?String=exact&Acronym=AIAA&Find=Find)!
And right again. :)

Well, I'm thinking of being pro-AMF (havn't been added to the list, though). Of course, I'd probably die fighting both of you, even with nearly 5 billion souls ready to die for their country.

5 billion? What are you putting in the water? ;)

5 billion? What are you putting in the water? ;)

ooc: We've been growing too much rice since June '03.

hah 5.5 Billion!

Anyways is there anyone who wants to go head on with me?

I'll take one large nation, or two small nations, in what is likely a ground war, mainly because Celack only really has one coast and therefore ICLY, we have no need for a naval force so we just have a token defense force. We make up for it in our airpower though.

Oh yeah and Euro, have fun at college.

AMF: I just realised something. are your shore batteries in the straight, or all over the coast? because I meant for my ships to abandon attacking the straights, sort of turning away from them, and attacking the coast near the straights instead.

AMF - Would it be possible for you to post a quick map of the battle area? It doesnt have to be particularly good or accurate, just a rough idea.
^^ That would stop things like this happening

AMF: I just realised something. are your shore batteries in the straight, or all over the coast? because I meant for my ships to abandon attacking the straights, sort of turning away from them, and attacking the coast near the straights instead.

Oh, because the way I described it was that all my ships fell back to the Straight, and you said that you were giving chase. Therefore I assumed that you would be entering the Straight.

Either way, you'd probably still be under siege from the 'Devil's Finger' cannons once you got close enough to the shoreline.

Map will be finished soon.

EDIT: By the way, most of my coastal artillery units are underground, with only so much as an opening for the projectile to fly out of. Granted, I do have some older above ground units, but over the past 8 RL months I've begun shifting to underground defenses.

AMF: Could you put me against Doomingsland with the other nations? Thanks.

AMF: Could you put me against Doomingsland with the other nations? Thanks.


Negative. This is turning into a dogpile against Doomingsland, and wether he agrees to it or not it isn't fair. There should be at least another nation or two on his side.

AMF / Panteran holdings, with Gholgoth proper to the west. The tan dot is Cariya.

Map (http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/3863/amfpantera5sc.jpg)

Old and crappy map of Automagfreek.

Map (http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/1918/freekisland5kp.jpg)

Negative. This is turning into a dogpile against Doomingsland, and wether he agrees to it or not it isn't fair. There should be at least another nation or two on his side.

There is actually another nation. Freudotopia. I'm just joining to balance him out ;)

Negative. This is turning into a dogpile against Doomingsland, and wether he agrees to it or not it isn't fair. There should be at least another nation or two on his side.
Freudotopia's coming in on my side to balance things out.

Besides, in order to reach my continent, get by my navy, get through my shore defenses, land their armies, then somehow support their troops in one of the world's hottest deserts all while being attacked by a vastly larger and more advanced force, I'd say they'd need a pretty decent amount of people on their side.

AMF / Panteran holdings, with Gholgoth proper to the west. The tan dot is Cariya.

Map (http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/3863/amfpantera5sc.jpg)

Old and crappy map of Automagfreek.

Map (http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/1918/freekisland5kp.jpg)
Thanks.

Quick point - you can really put artillery underground. Not unless you're willing to put up with little ability to aim and a horribly massive minimum range. Usually what you do is mount the guns in a very heavily armoured turret and build barracks, magazines etc below ground.

Thanks.

Quick point - you can really put artillery underground. Not unless you're willing to put up with little ability to aim and a horribly massive minimum range. Usually what you do is mount the guns in a very heavily armoured turret and build barracks, magazines etc below ground.

Not if you have an opening several dozen yards wide and about a half dozen tall. You then drape the opening with camo netting or fake grass or whatever when you're not firing the weapon so that its location is disguised.

I've got the cannons spaced apart so that there is a constant area of coverage, and in some spots two or three Devil's Fingers can hit one convoy. With shells that big that can go that far, there's really no need for massive ammo wank. If one shell can render an entire carrier combat ineffective, that's good enough for me.

Range isn't a problem, because there are shorter range defenses to supplement the Devil's Fingers. 30 and 35" guns, missiles, underwater defenses, then the smaller 16 and 18" cannons. I can't image trying to fire something larger than the Paris Gun three or four miles......

vastly larger and more advanced force.

Who you calling less advanced? ;) We'll just have to see in our RP. :p

Well, I'm gonna have to withdraw, although, if you're running short on people to fight, I can join on either side.

Not if you have an opening several dozen yards wide and about a half dozen tall. You then drape the opening with camo netting or fake grass or whatever when you're not firing the weapon so that its location is disguised.

I've got the cannons spaced apart so that there is a constant area of coverage, and in some spots two or three Devil's Fingers can hit one convoy. With shells that big that can go that far, there's really no need for massive ammo wank. If one shell can render an entire carrier combat ineffective, that's good enough for me.

Range isn't a problem, because there are shorter range defenses to supplement the Devil's Fingers. 30 and 35" guns, missiles, underwater defenses, then the smaller 16 and 18" cannons. I can't image trying to fire something larger than the Paris Gun three or four miles......
Yeah the main problem is that even quite close to the surface you have a minimum elevation of about 35 degrees... the turret actually offers better protection and also allows the guns to actually hit things that arent inside a tiny cone several hundred nm into your waters, but your choice mate.

ooc: Ok, since Euroslavia dropped from the war, I'm beginning to reconsider the Hamptonshire/Artitsa scenario. And CSJ, how odd is it that both our choices were taken. Oh well, coincedences are stupid.

Put me down on AMF's side. I might jump into some of the conflicts and lend a little aid, and I have one Preatonian supporter in mind for war. But right now I have the closing of a vacation, the beginning of technologyless camping, 6-9 essays in 3 days, and a broken finger to deal with.

Also a question. I have a colony on Manium as well, would it be possible (If I could get the men there) that I could attack Sarzonia's colony? Or Praetonia's?

Welcome back TEO. :)

Now here's a suggestion.... The Evil Overlord vs....... Iuthia! Match of the Century! :p

If it wasn't already days too late to get directly involved, I'd be willing to jump in on Sarzonia's side against whomever. Rather than jumping in to the middle of an active RP (with all of the attendant problems), I'd be willing to play a minor role like patrolling Sarzonia's territorial waters or something similar. Or I can sit back and watch. Up to you all.


TEO

Put me down on AMF's side. I might jump into some of the conflicts and lend a little aid, and I have one Preatonian supporter in mind for war. But right now I have the closing of a vacation, the beginning of technologyless camping, 6-9 essays in 3 days, and a broken finger to deal with.

Also a question. I have a colony on Manium as well, would it be possible (If I could get the men there) that I could attack Sarzonia's colony? Or Praetonia's?Absolutely not mine, since I'm already battling Pantera. He won't allow me to bring in anyone else, and I won't allow him to bring in anyone else.

Absolutely not mine, since I'm already battling Pantera. He won't allow me to bring in anyone else, and I won't allow him to bring in anyone else.

Wow...you seem a little hostile.

But can I attack Praetonia?

And I guess then I wont attack your colony. *Conspires to do so anyway*

I could definatly defend Sarzonian Colonies or Praetonian Colonies. That would actually be pretty good.

Actually Artitsa, I was thinking that maybe the "You and Hamptonshire Vs. Two others" situation could be done with me as one of the people you have to face. Anyways, we should talk about this on MSN.

Wow...you seem a little hostile.

But can I attack Praetonia?

And I guess then I wont attack your colony. *Conspires to do so anyway*

Or you could respect the guidelines that have been already laid out. Why don't you read the first post on the first page of this thread again?

Would it be possible for me to join as a supporter of AMF and if possible I'd like to fight Yafor 2. We've been meaning to do an RP, and this proves the perfect context. I've spoken to him via TG and he agreed, but since i'm almost twice his size, if he wants to bring in a similarly sized nation to even the odds, I'd be fine with it.

You know, I'd be willing to go against Hamptonshire and Artitsa alongside Celack.

OOOOH! The original two remaining founders of the original NATO fighting side-by-side! I love it!

Sure, rugbyfiend@gmail.com

Add me my Canadian chum. Hey, Im going to be in Ottawa in a couple weeks...we should goto Hull and get hammered ;)

Sure, rugbyfiend@gmail.com

Add me my Canadian chum. Hey, Im going to be in Ottawa in a couple weeks...we should goto Hull and get hammered ;)

Hull is so slummy, stay in Ottawa and drink yourself stupid here.

..There aren't any Praetonian colonies that I know of in the area Borman :x
How about reading the RP rules and guidelines first and asking questions later?

..There aren't any Praetonian colonies that I know of in the area Borman :x
How about reading the RP rules and guidelines first and asking questions later?
Neo Praetonia is one of the biggest and oldest Manium colonies.

Anyway, I would agree to the RP if, and only if, you allow me to use colonial troops. I usually dont because it's pop-wank, but since if I have to divert regular troops to deal with nations outside of the Closed RP I would be at a significant disadvantage I think it's only fair.

I think we might have Me&Sigma Vs. Artitsa&Hamptonshire

At least we have confirmed me vs Artitsa

The battle between Kjata Major and Lesser Ribena is heating up :)

I'm in on AMF's side... possibly looking for a smaller scale, not exactly all out though...Looks like the Portland Iron Works will have to blacklist another customer... actually, I recently declared that all direct allies of AMF's were blacklisted by my government. I could ICly "encourage" Isselmere's companies to do the same...

Anyone want me? I havn't had a good war for so long, my triger finger is just itching to go.

Neo Praetonia is one of the biggest and oldest Manium colonies.

Anyway, I would agree to the RP if, and only if, you allow me to use colonial troops. I usually dont because it's pop-wank, but since if I have to divert regular troops to deal with nations outside of the Closed RP I would be at a significant disadvantage I think it's only fair.

Oh..Manium >.>I thought he meant around AMF. Sorry. Still, you know what I think of your colony-wank <.<

Looks like the Portland Iron Works will have to blacklist another customer... actually, I recently declared that all direct allies of AMF's were blacklisted by my government. I could ICly "encourage" Isselmere's companies to do the same...
It saddens me to say that I had already done so with the implementation of the War Measures Act, immediately requisitioning all property owned by hostile governments and giving diplomatic staff and visitors forty-eight hours to depart or face imprisonment. I've lost two key purchasers within a week.

My Wartime Powers act covers that secondarily, although Sarzonia does not have diplomatic relations with oppressive regimes as standard policy, so that doesn't usually get much attention in the country. The part that really gets in the craws of the hippies is the suspension of rights of assembly, the press, speech, and the like. Article XVII also allows the President to suspend the Constitution in a war or extreme national emergency. So the hippies are going to have to zip it for the duration of the war.

Since most authoritarian rules+laws were removed during the Formation of the Democratic Republic (like the lawing banning political parties that weren't a subparty of the Communist Party of Hogsweat>.>) my companies are still allowed to sell to foreign bidders. However, Lionheart Military Industries, who produce *all* of our munitions and weapons put a veto and embargo on X nations before the government did.

These Acts and Orders however, were not removed. They were snuck away by the Premier before Parliament could find them..

The "Enemy of the Motherland Act" gives the Army [The police] power to arrest people at any one time for any reason, without sufficient evidence, with no trial, with an unlimited sentence and using unlimited force.

The "Defense of the Motherland! Act" gives the High Kommission [The Military Command Unit] the right to requistion, at any time, for any purpose; as long as it involves defense of our sovereignty, any object, belonging directly to any person. Defiance of this law is in violation with the "Enemy of the Motherland Act".

The "Directive of Homecountry Defense #1" gives commission officers of any rank, in any armed force, including Home Brigade, the right to charge any soldier under their command, be it another commissioned officer, a NCO, or a private, the right to do what they see fit to keep the Soldiers under their command from routing or retreating when not ordered to do so from a higher Military Entity.

The "Directive of Homecountry Defense #2" gives commission officers of any rank, in any armed force, including Home Brigade, the right to order any non-military citizen/s, given that they are not already involved in a Public Service [Fire brigade, hospital work] to commit themselves to military action if the officer can supply the said citizen/s sufficiently.

The "Anti-Panic Mongerer Act" gives the Army [The Police] power to arrest any citizen, using the "Enemy of the Motherland Act" in his purpose, if said citizen is in violation of the Panic Mongerer Law;
Any Citizen of Hogsweat must not spread rumours contrary to the regime
Any Citizen of Hogsweat must not report news to the populace that is not fully endorsed by the Government beforehand

Article I
The name of this Act shall be the WARTIME POWERS ACT.

Article II
Upon the formal declaration of war on the part of the Incorporated States in a manner prescribed by the Constitution (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=330340) thereof, the President shall have power to invoke the powers pursuant to this Act for the duration of such state of war.

Article III
The powers granted to the President upon invocation of this Act shall include, but not remain limited to: The suspension of the right to assembly and redress of grievances against the government; the right to maintain private property in the event of a request for the use of such property for the prosecution of war; the suspension of the right to freedom of speech; the suspension of protections against the writ of habeus corpus; the rights under Article VIII of the Constitution shall also be suspended in cases of formal declaration of war or extreme national emergency.

Article IV
The President shall have authority, upon consultation with Parliament, to invoke the terms of this Act in the event of a formal declaration of war enacted by a foreign Power even in the event Parliament does not vote accordingly. Such powers may remain in effect for one calendar year or until the cessation of hostilities, whichever comes first. In the event of prolonged hostilities, the President must ask Parliament for a full review of the terms of this Act for its continuance provided that it has failed to officially declare war.

Article V
These same powers shall be available to the President, either in whole or in part, during documented cases of emergency, such as acts of God or other similar Acts.

Article VI
SECTION 1: Upon ratification of Treaty, formal cessation of hostilities by both parties, or when it has been determined that any grave Danger to the Incorporated States no longer exists, the President shall restore the full rights and priviledges granted under the Constitution to the People.

SECTION 2: In the event the President does not within 72 hours restore the Powers granted to the People in the Constitution, Parliament shall have the authority to issue a postwar repeal the Wartime Powers Act by a two-thirds vote of both Houses. Such Repeal shall only take effect for the formal cessation of hostilities or conclusion of the specific national emergency and shall not result in a permanent abolishment of this Act unless Parliament shall by further legislation so choose.

[OOC: Some of it is repeated in Article XVII, but this is written long before I came up with Article XVII. I also included limitations that require the President to restore the Constitution and all rights to the people once the war has ended or the national emergency has passed and included a means by which Parliament can forcibly restore prewar conditions.]

Official Declaration of War on AMF. (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=9540030#post9540030)

Oh..Manium >.>I thought he meant around AMF. Sorry. Still, you know what I think of your colony-wank <.<
Just because you dont have any colonies except some crappy island :P

Anyone know a weapon to take out a SD?

Anyone know a weapon to take out a SD?

Um....tactics?

Anyone know a weapon to take out a SD?Come on, you don't think we're just going to GIVE you a cheap and easy solution do you? :rolleyes:

Ways of dealing with SDs are out there. You just have to be enterprising and find them.

Defeating a SD all depends on an orchestrated series of efforts. You'd just have to formulate them to your best advantage, at the cost of the opponent.

Anyone want me? I havn't had a good war for so long, my triger finger is just itching to go.

Hey! Glad to see you're still around! You can join in the open play if you want.

Anyone know a weapon to take out a SD?
Another SD?

With the exception of an SD, there is no weapon (disregarding tactics as AMF said) that can defeat an SD on it's own.

Another SD?

With the exception of an SD, there is no weapon (disregarding tactics as AMF said) that can defeat an SD on it's own.
Quite. I find it sad that people dont seem to be able to realise this. When Britain launched the HMS Dreadnaught the other great powers didnt say "WTFBBQLOL U HAV TEH UBER BATTLESHIPZ NO FARE GODMODDERZORZ IGNORED!!! U R A TECHAWNAKER" they built their own. It's how the world works.

Gay U Have A Tank, Tahst Not Fare, My Cavelry Is Ignoring U

Gay U Have A Tank, Tahst Not Fare, My Cavelry Is Ignoring U*GROAN* :rolleyes:

Heh, go into a CS Server and you'll be alot more offended than you were then. I let the word slip sometimes in the wrong occasions..sorry.

Although the reason I used it is because it's the internet's number 1 insult, IIRC.

Hey! Glad to see you're still around! You can join in the open play if you want.


I'v been back to being "active" for quite some time now, but I'v been taking a back seat to try and see whats been going on while I was away.

Heh, go into a CS Server and you'll be alot more offended than you were then. I let the word slip sometimes in the wrong occasions..sorry.

Although the reason I used it is because it's the internet's number 1 insult, IIRC.
1 pnw3d j00 1n CS!!111oneone111eleven

Would it be possible for me to join as a supporter of AMF and if possible I'd like to fight Yafor 2. We've been meaning to do an RP, and this proves the perfect context. I've spoken to him via TG and he agreed, but since i'm almost twice his size, if he wants to bring in a similarly sized nation to even the odds, I'd be fine with it.

I'm fine. Since we're both very good RP'ers and the Yaforite Navy is fairly powerful, I think we can go. Note:GE an I will coninue to discuss this via TG and in case that this changes, we will alert you.

Neo Praetonia is one of the biggest and oldest Manium colonies.

Anyway, I would agree to the RP if, and only if, you allow me to use colonial troops. I usually dont because it's pop-wank, but since if I have to divert regular troops to deal with nations outside of the Closed RP I would be at a significant disadvantage I think it's only fair.

Yeah, that's fine.

It's been over a year since I posted here and I might like to get my feet wet again.

I've got a lot more freetime now that I'm in college :D

Anyone know a weapon to take out a SD?
Oh, I know of a few. But, uh, it would seem that revealing such things would not be in the best interests of myself and my allies ;)

Sarzonian declaration of war Reference thread (http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=441069).

Hoggy's thread gave me the idea to do my own. The post took on a life of its own, lol.

I'd love to join in this. I'm a member of the Woodstock Pact and therefore allied to Praetonia and Sarzonia. Any offers from a prospective proponent, please TG me and we'll work out some details for a war RP.

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I just wanted to say I'll be pledging non-combat support to Aequatio, and his allies if necessary, but will be taking no military action within either the Open or Closed Play areas.

I just wanted to say I'll be pledging non-combat support to Aequatio, and his allies if necessary, but will be taking no military action within either the Open or Closed Play areas.

You'll be changing your mind...soon enough.

You'll be changing your mind...soon enough.

Don't worry about me... I pose no threat to anyone, I'm puny.

In A Passion Play, which is a half spin-off off of Hellfire, even though it began before, I could use one more pro-OMP nation, if they're willing. Because SafeHaven2 is going to invade, and Zarbia is going to invade - consequently, it's Zarbia, SafeHaven2, Sarcanza (controlled by CommunismRevisited-, but rebel force), Weigar (another rebel force controlled by myself) vs. Hailandkill and I ... so, just letting you know!

I've been thinking that since a number of us, both in the Closed RP section and in the Open RP section, use indigenous technology. Sometimes, people are quick to lean on certain designs without always explaining them in detail or only alluding to various aspects of them. Rather than get into an enormous battle about whose tech is teh ub3r 1337, perhaps we can list for reference the tech we use in a reference post (preferrably a post to this thread, unless you think a separate tech reference thread would be better).

What that can do is give each side OOC insight into the technology used by their opponent or even their allies, and it can allow the opponent to write the effects of that tech into their storylines. Note that I'm not asking someone to explain exactly how to defeat their SD (and I'll speak out against that nine ways to Sunday), but someone can ask questions to give them a better understanding of the design.

Sarzonia's major tech used:

Portland Iron Works (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=404832) (naval ships, weapons, etc.)

Avalon Aerospace Corporation (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=365142) (aerial tech, combat and transport jets, helicopters, etc.)

Incorporated Ordnance Company (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=394656) (army combat units, ie, main battle tanks, IFVs, APCs, self-proppeled artillery, etc.)

Other tech used (designed by other countries) I generally explain where I got it in the course of the RP. I also give a brief explanation of intended effects during RP. But just in case anyone needed the reference material, here you go.

Still need another Preatonia supporter for A Passion PLay. Right now its The Mcabees and HailandKill(Pro Praetonia) Vs Me and Zarbia plus Macabean rebels(Pro AMF). Any Praetonia supporters want to jump in on Macs side?

Why are you throwing the name OMP around when none of the nations in that conflict are in the OMP?

I was led to believe that those were the sides. Even though nations involved might not be in the OMP they were supporting it, meh, I'll edit it out.

I'll say here what I said in MSN yesterday: The Praetonia/Hogsweat/Sarzonia side and its allies need a name. AMF and company have Gholgoth (which I believe is their region). We need something even if it's just calling us Allied forces.

Perhaps the Praeton Accord, the Portland Charter, the (insert name of Hogsweatian city here) Protocol, SOMETHING.

I've created a new forum (http://s13.invisionfree.com/Operation_Hellfire/) to deal with OOC discussion of the RP, just in case it's needed.

I'm setting up the permissions to require admin validation, so please use your NS nation's name as your user name. Anyone who registers with a name other than your NS user's name is subject to having account validation rejected.

In A Passion Play, which is a half spin-off off of Hellfire, even though it began before, I could use one more pro-OMP nation, if they're willing. Because SafeHaven2 is going to invade, and Zarbia is going to invade - consequently, it's Zarbia, SafeHaven2, Sarcanza (controlled by CommunismRevisited-, but rebel force), Weigar (another rebel force controlled by myself) vs. Hailandkill and I ... so, just letting you know!I would be willing to send the Third Dragoons to support an ally (Mac) if all sides involved find that acceptable. I would like to know if theres a total infantry cap (like no greater and 2500 men Plus logistics personel) or some such so that I can better accomodate for the RP.

Ive been spending to much time doing line art (if there is such a thing) and I should really be getting back into an RP.

I've created a new forum (http://s13.invisionfree.com/Operation_Hellfire/) to deal with OOC discussion of the RP, just in case it's needed.

I'm setting up the permissions to require admin validation, so please use your NS nation's name as your user name. Anyone who registers with a name other than your NS user's name is subject to having account validation rejected.

Registered at waiting admin verifications. :)

I would be willing to send the Third Dragoons to support an ally (Mac) if all sides involved find that acceptable. I would like to know if theres a total infantry cap (like no greater and 2500 men Plus logistics personel) or some such so that I can better accomodate for the RP.

Ive been spending to much time doing line art (if there is such a thing) and I should really be getting back into an RP.


Long time Mekugi! Well, there's no infantry cap - each nation fields what it personally decides to, which is good enough, since it's normally more realistic for the RP. But, your always welcomed into A Passion Play, or any of my RPs.

Long time indeed. Alrighty I'll get right on to working out an introductory post.

I've created a new forum (http://s13.invisionfree.com/Operation_Hellfire/) to deal with OOC discussion of the RP, just in case it's needed.I've also named AMF as the second administrator to ensure fairness (and in light of his experience with Invision boards).

I'll say here what I said in MSN yesterday: The Praetonia/Hogsweat/Sarzonia side and its allies need a name. AMF and company have Gholgoth (which I believe is their region). We need something even if it's just calling us Allied forces.

Perhaps the Praeton Accord, the Portland Charter, the (insert name of Hogsweatian city here) Protocol, SOMETHING.

The Free World Forces.

For my part of the war
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=441377

I'll say here what I said in MSN yesterday: The Praetonia/Hogsweat/Sarzonia side and its allies need a name. AMF and company have Gholgoth (which I believe is their region). We need something even if it's just calling us Allied forces.

Perhaps the Praeton Accord, the Portland Charter, the (insert name of Hogsweatian city here) Protocol, SOMETHING.
As a neutral observer... The Compact of [Insert city or goegraphic feature].

The Free World Forces.
WAY too corny.

How about the Joint Defence Coalition? Or the Empire Preservation Accord? Or the Entente of Imperialist Powers?

I like that last one. Regardless of the name that is chosen, what are the chances of someone like me joining said "coalition", taking in mind that my pre-January 2005 technically never happened, since I re-started my nationstates "experience" and "history"?

Consortium of Associated Nations

I talked with Sarz about this a few days ago, he liked the idea. I haven't been able to advance it because I just finished moving back to campus and started up classes again. Tonight, though, I will start its advancement.

The CAN* would be an organization/alliance for active combatants and Armed Neutrals that support the anti-AMF forces.


[*-Reference terms for the CAN could be:
-Consortium
-Associated Nations
-AN]

WAY too corny.

How about the Joint Defence Coalition? Or the Empire Preservation Accord? Or the Entente of Imperialist Powers?I don't like *either* of the last two. Sarzonia would balk at being considered an Imperialist Power or at the term Empire.

Too bad we don't have something clever like the SAP Coalition. :p

Compact of Praeton?
Treaty of [Hogsweatian city]?
If for some odd reason you chose a Sarzonian city, I'd like it to be Portland.

The Omzian Democratic Republic, being an Armed Neutral nation that does morally support the anti-AMF forces and is on the trek towards rapid armament of power-projection forces, would certainly ICly welcome the CAN. Though I still prefer "Compact" instead :p

I don't like *either* of the last two. Sarzonia would balk at being considered an Imperialist Power or at the term Empire.

Too bad we don't have something clever like the SAP Coalition. :p

Compact of Praeton?
Treaty of [Hogsweatian city]?
If for some odd reason you chose a Sarzonian city, I'd like it to be Portland.
I hate to break it you Sarz, but you are an Imperialist Power. Well, a colonial power anyway... >.> <.<

Anyway how about the Praefele Accord? Praefele = massive Praetonian port.

I like Hamp's CAN idea, but it doesnt actually mean anything.

Sorry boys. With my flu coming back, the baby still kinda grumpy, and my girlfriend's shit-head family staying in my computer room, things are going to be scarce my way, tonight and tomorrow.

AMF: I got your telly. Thanks bud. ;)

Sarzonia: We'll talk on AIM when I manage. I'm trying to borrow a laptop so I can keep up, but we'll have to see how things work. Regardless, I'll get caught up in the next day or three. I promise.

Everyone else: Blow me.

Fuck in-laws. Fuck them very much.

I hate to break it you Sarz, but you are an Imperialist Power. Well, a colonial power anyway... >.> <.<My objection to the name stays. "Imperialism" or "imperialist" has negative connotations in the Sarzonian mind that would be deal breakers if such a name required unanimous consent.

I'd sign on to Praefele Accord or something less incendiary to a Sarzonian.

I like Hamp's CAN idea, but it doesnt actually mean anything.

It does mean something. It will serve the functions of the military alliance for the duration of this war as well as a place for Armed Neutrals that support Praetonia and Co. to organize their efforts. A neutral nation, no matter how much it may support Praetonia, Sarzonia, and Hogsweat cannot sign a treaty named after the capital/major city of one of the main combatants and still claim to be neutral. Furthermore, some of the peripheral campaigns going on in Operation Hellfire are not directly tied to the main action.

A broader term like the CAN allows those that want to come in to come in without being dragged directly into the war.

[OOC: AMF: Im not advancing or landing, nor do I even have any transports. Im launching subsonic cruise missiles at your shore batteries while they're being repaired from the Cariya Islands.]

[OOC: AMF: Im not advancing or landing, nor do I even have any transports. Im launching subsonic cruise missiles at your shore batteries while they're being repaired from the Cariya Islands.]


...ok, still doesn't change the fact that I have brought up reinforcements.

ooc: Ok, i have no time for this Rp, not to mention that I have no opponent. Count me out of this one.

HP, I've been meaning to ask you what you used to create the "propaganda" with the Sarzonian, Praetonian, and Hogsweatian flags. I think it's on the black background. Very clever design.

The desktop publisher in me is very interested in it.

...ok, still doesn't change the fact that I have brought up reinforcements.
Ok. I was just pointing out that my fleets were neither moving towards you, nor did they have troop transports which your post implied that you thought was the case. Dont forget to RP the missiles impacts etc...

The Hogsingrad Pact?

The Hogsingrad Pact?That sounds about right.

Consortium of Associatied Nations would allow "armed neutrals" to join in a league of sorts with the Allies (my informal nickname until we finalise the real name). If you name an alliance or pact after one of the warring nation's cities, that flexibility is gone because a "armed neutral" country signing on would be considered tacitly supporting one side over another.

If worse comes to worse, we could always do the Portland Accord or the Portland Compact.

Ok. I was just pointing out that my fleets were neither moving towards you, nor did they have troop transports which your post implied that you thought was the case.

But eventually your fleets will be moving out, yes? Hence why I'm planning ahead.

Dont forget to RP the missiles impacts etc...

*shakes head*

Really now.....:rolleyes:

;)

But eventually your fleets will be moving out, yes? Hence why I'm planning ahead.
*shrug* Maybe...

Hey speaking of remembering to do things, could you update the enemy list to show that me and Artitsa are fighting each other?

Anyone know where HP is?

CAN announced: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=9563392&postcount=11

I'd like to offer my apologies for the state of that post, it was written quite hurriedly.

Lesser Ribena is fighting Kjata Major

The Hogsingrad Pact?BTW, I've just jiggled the Majeristan-class Trimaran command battlecruiser a bit and did some things to make it a war build. I've named the Sarzonian version the Hogsingrad-class.

Just thought you might be interested. ;)

Hog, I'd kinda like to know where this is happening in relation to the map.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=9573980&postcount=76

Ya I was wondering if this post was total godmodding.

OOC: I think most of my hulls are shielded with "EMP-hardened amorphous steel" whatever that'll do. I doubt that it'll help much though. Sorry I don't have much time at the moment either.

For Ribena's fleet to be using this is a godmod because the basic function of her ships CAN'T be EMP proof or whatever if there is a gapping hole in the decks and everything is exposed, or the fact that everything is exposed like the Anti-air defenses.

This is blatent godmodding and I shouldn't be limited in the fact that my vastly inferior numbers should be so ineffective that even powerful EMP and MOAB blasts don't sink Ribenan ships. I've done nearly EVERYTHING to sink them and have taken extremely high losses while Lesser Ribena for some reason seems to be invincible.

Example. Lesser Ribena's Super Dreadnought. First attack I damage and destroy its mobility. Yet next post it is being TUGGED out of the oil and wreckage from the previous ships so I can't make a watery inferno and burn them all. I let that go. I drop a MOAB directly on it and it is still capable of firing and targeting and moving. Then the next post they get the NUCLEAR engines back online in all under and hour and have the damaged carriers being repaired. Though Ribena said to disregard that after I called it impossible this next response to my weapon is too far.

Frankly a SD is not a massive unstoppable killing machine. It shouldn't be tugged at 6 knots, when it can't move on its own anymore; when a MOAB scores a direct hit on it. Yet STILL be capable of firing. Now to put it as EMP-shielding for the entire fleet is crap.

I designed a good number of those ships and I designed them with survivability in mind, so even escort ships are designed to be very difficult to sink compared to other ships in their classes. It's standard procedure for the Portland Iron Works.

As for the SuperDreadnought, I designed that to have enormous armour (and even more so now than the version LB is using) and I designed it to withstand a lot of weaponry that would sink many ships. The sheer nature of a Trimaran hull means that it would withstand a barrage of weapons that would sink just about any monohull.

And as for missiles, a RL Iowa-class battleship is largely impervious to a standard RL anti-ship missile because those are only designed to penterate the thin skins of current warships.

I designed a good number of those ships and I designed them with survivability in mind, so even escort ships are designed to be very difficult to sink compared to other ships in their classes. It's standard procedure for the Portland Iron Works.

As for the SuperDreadnought, I designed that to have enormous armour (and even more so now than the version LB is using) and I designed it to withstand a lot of weaponry that would sink many ships. The sheer nature of a Trimaran hull means that it would withstand a barrage of weapons that would sink just about any monohull.

And as for missiles, a RL Iowa-class battleship is largely impervious to a standard RL anti-ship missile because those are only designed to penterate the thin skins of current warships.

The Iowa has superior high-quality armor and its really strong basically. Next up I'd say was the Yamato, inferior armor, but sheer thickness.

From the sides that is good, and I targeted propullsion. Missiles on the side of a SD I know are useless, but right by the engines are pretty easy to slip under and shut it out. Causing only moblity issues. Though have you tried dropping a MOAB bomb on the ship which already had holes in it then still using it effectively, everything should be gone...out of comission for the time. Though it will definately float it won't have the radar, the communications or the ability to work as well before it will definately float.

That's all well and good, but you also have to realise that I'd design the armour to be very difficult to penetrate, especially over propulsion. Over key areas, it's even harder to penetrate than along the sides.

Considering what you've said..I know one of my Warspite's would definetly be alive even under a bombardment like that. DN's are designed to be impervious to missiles. Don't you have anything that can respond in kind with gunfire?

Kjata Major, a MOAB would have a significant local effect on an SD, like the 10,000 lbs bomb used on the Tirpitz in WW2, but it is doubtful it would sink because of it, and EMP would possibly delay an SD operating at full capacity, but I would think that most SDs, considering that the frequently discussed means of eliminating them is by nuclear devices, would have decent EMP-shielding on critical systems. But remember, the Nevada "survived" the first of the Bikini Atoll tests.

Still, I can understand your annoyance.

Yeah, I understand your annoyance, but S/DNs are just something everyone will have to deal with. The best thing to do is to use dumb weapons, imho.

Erm... You are using a MOAB on a SD!? You do know that about 90% of the MOAB's weight is in explosives, correct? It's much more of an area-clearing weapon than anything else, especially considering that it is after all, supersedes the Daisy Cutter. Yes, it is designed to be used against things like caves as well, but a cave isn't a structure covered with armour or massive layers of concrete anyways.

Although Isselmere has pointed out the fact about the Tallboy hitting the Tirpitz, one must remember that both the Tallboy and the Grand Slam are more of a bunkerbuster with more than half of their weight in the actual bomb casing (at the very least), and are designed to penetrate hardened surfaces, unlike the MOAB, which is sorta more of a blob of explosives with a rather light, non-penetrative case.

Kjata Major, a MOAB would have a significant local effect on an SD, like the 10,000 lbs bomb used on the Tirpitz in WW2, but it is doubtful it would sink because of it, and EMP would possibly delay an SD operating at full capacity, but I would think that most SDs, considering that the frequently discussed means of eliminating them is by nuclear devices, would have decent EMP-shielding on critical systems. But remember, the Nevada "survived" the first of the Bikini Atoll tests.

Still, I can understand your annoyance.

I wasn't trying to sink it. Just destroy the top, I.e damage guns and bridge and communications. I wanted it as out of commission, not sunk, there's a big difference between out of commission and sinking a ship. Ships aren't easy to sink. Nevada didn't sink, that is the term of its survival basically. Even then the article mentioned how long it took to sink afterwards. Ships are pretty strong and won't be damaged by nuclear weapons as much as land forces would.

Just throwing in my two cents, I can't imagine why Kjata wouldn't accomplish his mission if the bomb hit. FAEs like the MOAB are incredibly good at taking down light armour and above ground reinforced structures, which lends itself well to taking out external ship subsystems.

However, keep something in mind. FAE weapons depend on dissipating a dense cloud of chemicals and then igniting it with something like phosphorous or high explosives. The heavy sea air and the fact that a ship will be moving through the cloud will drastically affect the cohesiveness of the slurry and thus degrade the effectiveness of the FAE's effects upon the ship.

BTW, I'm not going to get involved in this war. For one, my time on the computer is uneven. For another, this is a clusterfuck of the Imperium's allies. That's going to be rectified when I can be guaranteed of steady time on the computer, but that's going to be at least two or three more weeks.

For the purpose it was perfectly fine....besides I don't need the FULL effect when I am dealing with something slighty less then half its blast radius. Knocking out the ships is all I could do. When faced with something that powerful I prefer to take it down in stages. Mobility, functions, communication/electronics, base.

So it takes four massive runs to destroy the king of the sea. Even then it will take forever to sink. Chances are I'll capture it for my own.

Alrighty.

Sorry I haven't responded sooner. I've been busy.

Risban will be declaring armed neutrality soon in this conflict. Why? Because Risban has been placed in the very interesting and odd position of having allies/friends on both sides of the war.

If anything, further down the road, Risban will enter in support of The Macabees against SafeHaven2, due to Havenite forces unprovokingly attacking an island Risban holds in the Imperial Armies Achipelago a while back. That and, apart from being in the same alliances that Risban will soon be withdrawing from, Risban has better relations with most of the Praetonia/OMP allied forces.

So, I WILL have a declaration of neutrality up later today.

If anything, further down the road, Risban will enter in support of The Macabees against SafeHaven2, due to Havenite forces unprovokingly attacking an island Risban holds in the Imperial Armies Achipelago a while back. That and, apart from being in the same alliances that Risban will soon be withdrawing from, Risban has better relations with most of the Praetonia/OMP allied forces.

So, I WILL have a declaration of neutrality up later today.

Your welcome to join if you wish, just ask Mac first.

I wasn't trying to sink it. Just destroy the top, I.e damage guns and bridge and communications. I wanted it as out of commission, not sunk, there's a big difference between out of commission and sinking a ship. Ships aren't easy to sink. Nevada didn't sink, that is the term of its survival basically. Even then the article mentioned how long it took to sink afterwards. Ships are pretty strong and won't be damaged by nuclear weapons as much as land forces would.

Also keeping in mind, the Combat Bridge of any ship is below the deck.

I'vce given up on HP returning, it's been a week now and he hasn't replyed, i've bumped the topic and theres been no reponce, will anyone else fight me?

I'm alright with Risban joining in. But we really need to persuade Zarbia to get into this war, because right now it's SafeHaven alone, even though he technically has support from two rebel groups.

I think this, while only edited by me from the popular dad's army tune, is relevant :p

Who do you think you are kidding Mr. Dreadfire?
If you think we're on the run,
We are the boys who will stop your little game.
We are the boys who will make you think again.
'Cus who do you think you are kidding Mr. Dreadfire?
If you think old Hogsweat's done?

Comrade Brown goes off to town
On the 8:21.
But he comes home each evening
And he's ready with his gun.

So watch out Mr. Dreadfire
You have met your match in us.
If you think you can push us
We're afraid you've missed the bus.

so who do you think you are kidding Mr. Dreadfire?
If you think old Hogsweat's done,

Regrettably, certain political changes about to take place in Copiosa Scotia will prevent me from contributing to this war. I'd hoped to get a little action in before my self-imposed deadline for these changes, but with the war not affecting Haven directly, I've really had no justification to do so. AMF, if you'd be so kind, please strike me from the list of participating nations.

I think I'm ready to fight someone now. I'm gonna TG them and ask.

I'll join, if there's anymore room. My affiliations would be with Praetonia, if I joined. But if there's not enough room, that's fine, too.

I'vce given up on HP returning, it's been a week now and he hasn't replyed, i've bumped the topic and theres been no reponce, will anyone else fight me?
If Parthia doesn't respond soon, I'll consider it.

The whole war with me and Space Union should start officialy tommorow, depending on if I have time to post.

The whole war with me and Space Union should start officialy tommorow, depending on if I have time to post.

Ok, when will that be, i am going out of town after i get back from high school tomorrow, so i might not be able to post (freshman friday, lol, im a freshman, but im 5'9 and like 135lbs, i can beat up most sophmores :) )

If Parthia doesn't respond soon, I'll consider it.

I've been busy with school, sorry about the delay, but I just posted.

I've been busy with school, sorry about the delay, but I just posted.
No worries.

Well im ready to get involved now.

According to my nations laws i cant field my army unless for a proper reason so - if one of AMF's allies wants to threaten me or attack one of my allies it would be good (in a not so good - lets go to war way).

heh, Doom could you give me the link to the RP. I lost the link that Halberdgardia sent me and I keep forgetting the title of the RP so I can't search for it. Sorry. :(

And the World Descends Into Darkness (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=441992)

Don't lose it! :p

I believe the next move is Prae's or Hogsweats. My last combat related post was fleet movements and taking losses from the missile strike.

:-/ I thought you where nuking Cariya?

:-/ I thought you where nuking Cariya?


If you don't want to make any moves inbetween now and the nuking, then I'll proceed.

I think I'm ready to fight someone now. I'm gonna TG them and ask.

If you can't get them you can fight me

If you don't want to make any moves inbetween now and the nuking, then I'll proceed.
Not any major tactical ones. I'll do a post landing on the Forbidden Isle though.

If you can't get them you can fight me

Well, too fight you I'd need to concentrate all my power. I'm currently in some other wars, so when those wrap up I'll let you know.

(And no, they have not yet replied)

Well, too fight you I'd need to concentrate all my power. I'm currently in some other wars, so when those wrap up I'll let you know.

(And no, they have not yet replied)

ok, no worries

Wonder where Praetonia is.....

Hey AMF,

Did you see my post in your OOC thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=9632652&postcount=54)?

Oh dear... somehow I managed to accidently unsubscribe the Hellfire thread. K... I'll post tomorrow, since it's very late today, both to the nuclear attack and the convoy attack. Sorry 'bout this.

ok, no worries

FYI, my finger is broken and the cast renders my right hang basically useless to typing. So I'll be moving a little slower.

FYI, my finger is broken and the cast renders my right hang basically useless to typing. So I'll be moving a little slower.

Thats fine. I have to fit work and uni in between any RP's im in.

Thats fine. I have to fit work and uni in between any RP's im in.

So we'll both be moving slow, good.

And the war im in, that's promising to be quite short, is getting started.

Does anyone have the link to the list of Hellfire wars taht AMF made ?

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=440105

So....what's the word guys?

My fleets are just sitting around right now, so there isn't a whole hell of a lot for me to write.

I was hoping this war wouldn't be so....sluggish.

As was I. However, it seems fairly impractical for me or prae or sarz to take the initiative. I was planning to launch an amphibious assault on AMF, but i'm not sure where the least defended part is. I'm tied down with homework atm, and friends yesterday, so a post should come later today.

As was I. However, it seems fairly impractical for me or prae or sarz to take the initiative.

What do you mean? As an attacker you generally have no choice but to take the initiative.


I was planning to launch an amphibious assault on AMF, but i'm not sure where the least defended part is. I'm tied down with homework atm, and friends yesterday, so a post should come later today.

I have stationary defenses around the nation, but a lot of it is mobile, meaning that I can shadow your movements. Not so sure if there is any one weak spot, save for the area Prae launched missiles against.

Nobody actually wanting to take the initiative, eh? Hm. I smell a stalemate.

Nobody actually wanting to take the initiative, eh? Hm. I smell a stalemate.

Nah, I could take to the seas right now and probably drive them back to their homeland (considering a decent portion of their fleet was either wiped out or rendered useless after the renengade nuclear launch on the Craiya Islands.), but basically I'm playing it as:

"Well, you guys think you're better? Then come and get me, let's see what you got!"

Aye, just a personal observation.

As for the matter of whether you can do that or not, I'm not really willing to contest; an actual roleplay of events would reveal the actual truth. But rather, I would consider it a stalemate because neither of you are (at the moment) willing to make the first move. Although, Hoggie seems to be gearing up to post (I hope).

Some good roleplaying guys, I've been following this the whole way through--glad to see the thread not cluttered with claims of Godmode etc, which plauge these poor and abused, I.I. Forums. >_>

I agree with AU about both central points. One, unless Prae or Hoggy take initiative, it's likely to remain a stalemate. It's not going to change unless they launch a major assault against the coastal defences or a major amphibious assault that makes Normandy look like a visit from the next door neighbour.

The other thing that I've been gratified by is what seems to be a high level of cooperation by RPers from both sides. There's also been some excellent RPing and writing by people on all sides of this, including the neutrals. I'm eager to see what future NS historians have to say about World War VII.

Hm. I wouldnt go nearly as far to call this a world war... conflicts like these break out on every other day of the week, remember--least within these forums. But, I've actually been considering this over the past err... seconds, and I would admit that unless Automagfreek actually attacks now, this conflict is likely to go nowhere. With the Praetonian and Hoggie fleets up and running, Chris here can't risk taking such heavy losses; and likewise--Prae and Hogs cant make landfall without taking heavy losses. And unless either is willing to turn suicidal... :-/

Attack now while you can Automag, their fleets are knocked out (or disabled) at the moment for the most part, this is your chance to strike and seize the opportunity you really need to break out of this situation.

AMF:

You used a nuke? Now that's something I thought I wouldn't see for my entire career :p Thanks for doing it. ;) Just kidding.

I'm surprised that nuke didn't just end the entire RP. That's what happens in most threads. Shows how professional all the RPers in that thread are.

AMF:

You used a nuke? Now that's something I thought I wouldn't see for my entire career :p Thanks for doing it. ;) Just kidding.

I'm surprised that nuke didn't just end the entire RP. That's what happens in most threads. Shows how professional all the RPers in that thread are.


Hogsweat agreed to the use of the nuke. Long story behind it.

Attack now while you can Automag, their fleets are knocked out (or disabled) at the moment for the most part, this is your chance to strike and seize the opportunity you really need to break out of this situation.

I am, I sent a fair number of stealth bombers to drop heavy bunker busting ordinance on them on the usual places, ammo and fuel holds. I also have more planes in the area, because it's the only way I can strike them. By the time my fleets made it to their location, they probably would have slipped away or had reinforcements show up. I know Prae is towing his disabled ships, and I assumed Hog is doing something similar.

*waits for the next post.....*

:/

Praetonia, I noticed you tried sending me an IM. I was still at work at the time, so if you need to get in contact with me, send a TM. I check them very often, and usually reply to a TM within a half hour.

Now that Pantera and I have both posted, I should be in position to redeploy fleets to Haven and send an army group (which I normally call a theatre) to Praetonia should his government wish it ICly.

As I discussed with AMF, I'll also have some of my characters discuss the war effort with both Praetonia's and Hogsweat's in an attempt to get this war moving again.

This war has been a lot of fun and I'd love to see it getting back to good, solid progress.

Now that Pantera and I have both posted, I should be in position to redeploy fleets to Haven and send an army group (which I normally call a theatre) to Praetonia should his government wish it ICly.

As I discussed with AMF, I'll also have some of my characters discuss the war effort with both Praetonia's and Hogsweat's in an attempt to get this war moving again.

This war has been a lot of fun and I'd love to see it getting back to good, solid progress.*AHEM*

And as far as Hog and company go, they haven't posted in over a week, and both Sarzo and I are getting frustrated.Hey guys, I realise you are more than likely supremely busy with school and I completely respect that. But this war has a lot of promise as being part of a major storyline that can help shape the future of International Incidents, or at the very least, be one hell of a fun ride. But it can't fulfill that potential without your continuing the IC storyline.

I know that schools these days are possibly more demanding than they were when I attended secondary school, but both AMF and I work full time and I have a monster commute every day (over two hours by public transit each way). Yet we both have been ready and waiting to go.

If you are unable to continue this war thread, please do AMF the courtesy of letting him know you're in over your head. I'm almost at the point where I'm considering asking AMF to work with me on a war thread which features me declaring war on him or vice versa so we can have some kind of resolution to Operation Hellfire.