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Age of Imperialism-short introduction

January the first, year of the lord Nineteen hundred and ten. A new decennia has started and who knows what will happen? Germany is expanding its navy und so scaring Great Britain out of splendid isolationism into the arms of France. Great Britain is still world power number one and rules over the waves and large portions of the earth. France meanwhile is a major power in the world and desperately seeking revenge on Germany and reclaim Alsace-Lorraine. Russia is on the brink of collapse and in a pretty firm alliance with France in Europe. In the Far East Japan is growing and very nationalistic. They’ve beaten the Russians in a devastating war, the first non European nation to do so. They’ve recently acquired Korea, Taiwan, half of Sakhalin and the Kurrils, not to mention a large influence in China. China is really on the edge of implosion. And on the American continents, a sleeping giant called the United States of America waits and let’s the world do what it wants. Against it’s principals it has the Philippines and several pacific islands as dominions. Does this latest expansion mean the end of the Monroe Doctorine?

Hey, you might say. So what are we going to do about it? Well, you may do what you want. Germany can become Britain’s best ally, France can return in it’s role as arch enemy of Britain, Russia can become a prospering nation, Japan the major world power and America can be the new Imperialist. It’s up to you to decide how the world will look like in the year 2010.

Age of Imperialism-rules

Here follow the rules:
-Claim one nation that actually exists in 1910
-Before you RP, make a fact book containing basic info on your nation and your military. Use wikipedia, it’s very useful and has a lot of the info you need. The fact books will all be posted in one thread which I will make.
-All RP’s will be posted in a separate thread I’ll make.
-No godmodding. No jet planes in 1920 or something. Useable nuclear tech is forbidden until 1942, the RL start of the Manhattan project.
-If you have an ooc. Battle with someone over a RP, one of the mods will decide. If you have a disagreement with a mod, another mod will decide.
-One of the most important rules: HAVE FUN!!!
-No flaming, baiting or RL political discussions. We have the General Forums for that.
-Maybe I’ll add a few rules, I must have forgotten something. So regularly check this post!

Age of Imperialism Nations
Warta Endor-Japan Mod
Relative Liberty-Germany Mod
Nebarri Prime-Spain
OPEN-France
OPEN- America
Lachenburg-Sweden
Latiatis-Great Britain
Norodna Odbrana-Austria-Hungary Mod
Skibereen-Saudi Arabia
Voxio-Italy
Buben-Canada
OPEN-Russia
Bogmihia-Rumania
Under a certain amount of interest from Sweden-Norway
OPEN-Switzerland
Pantycellen- Belgium
Abbassia- Brazil
New Dracora-Greece
OPEN-Mexico
Spooty-Zionists
Pilanchez-COlombia

Factbook Thread:
http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=433504

RP Thread:
http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=433959

OOC:This looks very good, and tempting.

Do you have any idea of the time period that this will run over? I would love to be Great Britain, but I have a ten day holiday when there will be little internet access starting on August the 5th.

Please do advise on whether I could take part, holding that in account.

I'd be willing to play as either the USA or China.

Are you playing here on Nationstates? If you are, i have The Ottoman Empire!

Hmm, on second thought...

I'd like to play USA as my first choice.

However, I'd be willing to give up USA to play China if I'm allowed to have a somewhat different China. I've been RP'ing China in Earth 1900 - 2000 (Alternate History). Here's a thread to give you some info on my China.

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=432834

If I'm allowed to RP China in this Earth as a "copy" of the China I'm RP'ing in that thread above, then I'll give up USA to play that Alternate China. However, if that is not permitted, I'll choose to play as USA instead.

Independant Hitmen: You could join us as Great Britain. I think a lot of people will be away in early August. You could also join as a smaller (less important) so that your prescense could be missed for a few days. I'll let you decide.

Defuniak: Ottoman Empire it is!

Sharina: Interesting question. I'll have to think about it a bit longer. On one side it would be a bit strange to start with a pretty industrialized China, on the other side, it could give an interesting twist to the RP. But if you really prefere USA, I could do that. It's your call.

I'm going to make some maps. Should they be of The world in 1910?

That would be very nice if you could make maps. A map of 1910 would be apreciated.

This looks promising. I guess I'll sign up as Sweden.

This is gonna be great :D

Lachenburg: Your Sweden now!

Defuniak: Decent enough. You forgot to color Korea and Formosa (Taiwan) Yellow.

Sharina, I've thought about it. You may RP as China as it was in RL 1910 or as the USA. You may decide. I'll reserve both of them till you decide.

I think I will take Great Britain if you don't mind.

If it becomes necessary I can arrange for a friend to cover for me whilst on holiday and thereby keep the RP going in my leave.

Choice is up to you though, I will take a smaller part if thats what you and the other Mods want.

You may play as Great Britain. I just sugested another option but if you want Great Britain you will! :D

Ok, here it is, It may not be the best, but it was the best I could find.

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b132/Defuniak/worldblank.gif

I guess that will work for now, but I suggest we make a better alternative.

Bump

ooc. come on people, join! It'll be great fun!

My Alternate China (based from E20 or Earth 1900 - 2000) isn't fully industrialized by 1910. By 1910, it would have a couple dozen major cities connected by railroad, several factories of various types including dynamite, steel, iron, chemicals, etc. and a developing mining sector.

Full industrialization of China (equal to USA, Germany, or England in tech and economy) probably won't happen until 1920 - 1930, or 1940 at the latest.



I'd like your opinion on this before I make my decision whether to RP as "Alternate" China, or the good ol' USA. :)

A quick question, with playing as Great Britain does that include controlling all of the commonwealth countries, such as Australia, Canada, New Zealand or would they each be treated as a seperate nation?

Technically, they were self-governing nations and could make their own decisions on matters of policy. However, as members of the Commonwealth, they were allies of Great Britian and regarded the reigning British monarch as a symbolic leader.

The Austro-Hungarian Empire, please.

OOC: What is truly ironic (as you can tell from the age and size of my "nation" in NSEarth) is that I did not create this nation when I saw this thread; the nation came long before the thread did.

But now...

BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

I hold the history of Europe and the fate of the very world in my hands. ;)

(To understand my glee, Google my national name...)

Somewhere in Bosnia, there is a 15-year old youth named Gavril Princip who will attempt to fire the fatal shot that slaughters millions of fine young European boys like cattle on the hoof ... and miss.

In a centuries-old castle in Vienna, there is a 47-year old nephew of the Hapsburg Emperor named Franz Ferdinand whose great life's work will be to strive against his many political enemies to transform a doddering medieval empire into a modern multinational state, with universal sufferage and devolved regional sovereignty for each of its many nationalities ... after Princip's bullet misses him.

Beside him is his 42-year old wife, Sophie Chotek von Chotkova, who will also be spared one of Gavril Princip's bullets ... and become one of the most beloved Hapsburg Empresses in history.

Not far away, there is a 21-year old vagabond named Adolph Hitler who sleeps in homeless shelters and struggles to make a go of being an artist. He will never be an artist ... or, for that matter, much of anything else.

Sorry, I'm revelling at the power I enjoy sitting at the very centre of gravity of modern history. A nudge here, a shove there, and everything is different.

No Great War, no Nazis, no Russian Revolution, no cordon sanitaire, and a modern Austrian state to face the modern Turkish state Kamal Ataturk will create a few hundred miles to the south, maybe not in peace, but maybe not in war...

Everything you know is wrong.

The Austro-Hungarian Empire, please.

OOC: What is truly ironic (as you can tell from the age and size of my "nation" in NSEarth) is that I did not create this nation when I saw this thread; the nation came long before the thread did.

But now...

BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

I hold the history of Europe and the fate of the very world in my hands. ;)

(To understand my glee, Google my national name...)

Hehehe, thats good. :D

Well, it may scratch us by, but i would like to have a better map. Could someone direct me to a better one?

Well, it may scratch us by, but i would like to have a better map. Could someone direct me to a better one?

Sadly, their isnt one. The only way to get a better one is to make one.

Sadly, their isnt one. The only way to get a better one is to make one.

I'm Lazy! Scratch that!

Here is a more ACCURATE map--though I dont know if you would call it better--it does require more reading an research for your nation:
http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/historical/ward_1912/world_1910.jpg
http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/historical/ward_1912/europe_1910.jpg

http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/historical/ward_1912/america_south_1910.jpg

http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/historical/ward_1912/africa_1910.jpg



Easy to find.

I do plan on joining I am just doing a little research before I pick a nation--

Oh, and if the map you already have is supposed to be map of 1910 why does it say "Union" on the United States and "Deep South" as well--doesnt look like a 1910 map to me.

Don't Hurt Me

I looked at the map, but that thing is huge! *switches to slave mode* Yes sir, Right away sir! *slave mode off*

There are so many lines! I don't know if i can do that....


*watches Geico commercial*

"You can do it!"

No i can't

Is it really any bigger then the current map?
Small matter I think using the maps I gave for actually looking up and naming regions is a better idea--and using your map for actually charting--as in making changes so we can visually the progress is a good mix. Do you agree or am I wrong?

Is it really any bigger then the current map?
It's not the size, It's the friggin lines!

I would like to RP Saudi Arabia

here's an updated map.

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b132/Defuniak/worldblank4.gif

i think we should mark Over Seas Land owned by others. after all it would make traiding territory much easyer.

here's an updated map.

[ IMG]http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b132/Defuniak/worldblank4.gif[/IMG ]

Nice.

Can I have Italy?

Independant Hitmen: I agree with what lachenburg said.

Norodna Odbrana: That's just hilarious! You'll be Austria-Hungary.

Skibereen: You may RP Saudi Arabia. But remember that the Ottoman Empire has a very strong influence. And those are great maps! But they're a bit hard to change etc.

Voxia: Italy it is then.

Sharina: Japan was pretty industrialized by the 1880's. They did that in twenty years. China is larger witha larger population and more resources. They should be able to do it faster than in thirty years. I'll let you chose: USA or China RL 1910.

Just reviewing the British Fleet on Wiki whilst making the factbook entry, there are a hellava lot of ship names and thats only in the Grand Fleet. Would you prefer to just have a total number of ships rather than all of the names as Germany has posted.

Also if anybody has any links to the British Army circa 1910 it would be much appreciated!

types is fine if you ask me. i don't see anything wrong with it.


about the British Army i can say this and i can get a few things.

they didn't see much use for the machine gun entil WW1 when they saw how well it worked for the germans

Here's Another Map:

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b132/Defuniak/worldblank6.gif

I know about the British Army was small as the British trusted on their Fleet to protect them. It was bout 200000-250000 men. And remember Britain had no conscription by that time.

Skibereen: You may RP Saudi Arabia. But remember that the Ottoman Empire .
ok, I have(found) map of my neighbors and areas of Ottoman influence on the peninsula--I will RP Civilised.

Just reviewing the British Fleet on Wiki whilst making the factbook entry, there are a hellava lot of ship names and thats only in the Grand Fleet. Would you prefer to just have a total number of ships rather than all of the names as Germany has posted.

Also if anybody has any links to the British Army circa 1910 it would be much appreciated!

I'd suggest that you just post the total number of ships, as Germany's method (no offense) was rather cumbersome and wasted alot of space on the Factbook entries. Plus, you can always make up ship names later on for the RPing experience.

As for the British Army, in 1910 the majority of Britian's war effort was going into the enlargement of their Navy, so as to compete with the German Imperial Fleet. Thus, the British Army was quite small in 1910, numbering probably around 250,000 Regulars. Of course, when you add the forces of your colonies, ANZAC forces and African Colonial Forces, that number raises to around 500,000. Of course, these soldiers were still very well equipped and well-trained (being that they were one of the few standing armies in the world).

By WWI, however, that number raised to about 900,000-950,000 Regulars as many civilians joined up in 1914.

Yet you must remember that Britain controls a good 1/3 of the World at this moment and her Armed forces have the potential to be massive (somewhere around Warta Endor's figure). But that is up to you to decide.

I have a copy of "The History of Brittish Army" sitting on my book shlef you want to look up the exact number--it might even give me a deployment.
I dont think it will have naval numbers though it might given the importance of the English Navy.

That book would certainly be a help to IH. We need more people! France is open, Russia is open!

Best as I can glean in a quick read the Brittish army--just the army--peaked at around 170,000 men--this is European Soldiers--Now They still had indigenous forces Indian Sepoys, GHurkas, South Africans--the Sepoys I know numbered around 200,000--As best as I can tell the South African numbers were at least equal to that. The Ghurkas were a smaller number if I remember them correctly around 40,000--bad little mother feckers though.

I my book contains little data in a stats layout but rahter engagfement deployments and what not.

Nothing on the Navy other then their presence.
Counting foreign conscripts I would say it is safe to say Britain could boast an army of a combat force of around 500,000 men--though not in any one single place.

This is of course consistant with the Empire.
Their Navy brought them their, guns and tactics provided an advantage and locals formed the fodder.

While their Marine fighters were significantly smaller, their fleets atthe time were the best, hands down.

Thanks guys! Wiki pretty much covers the UK naval forces, the deployment dates of their ships used in WWI gives me a pretty good idea of what they had in 1910 especially for the capital ships such as dreadnoughts and various cruisers.

As for the army that stuff sounds good, I'll incorperate it into the Word Factbook entry I've been compiling then get it up there sometime tomorrow!

Hiyas, I'm back. I had some problems last night, as my entire town lost electricity power for 4 hours or so. Anyways, I'm still undecided on whether to pick China or the USA.

On one hand, I'm curious if I could RP the USA becoming an aggressive nation instead of an introverted nation. Perhaps enter the World War earlier than expected, or bring the World War to the Americas instead of Europe.

On the other hand, I've always wondered how China would have fared if there was a change in leadership, or if it industrialized quicker than in RL history. Imagine a China that conquers Vietnam, Thailand, Mongolia, and perhaps even Russia or India!

Now you can see my dilemma. I'd like to hear from everybody here on which nation I should choose. :)

I think just like with any RP, this one should be open ended to what you want to do with your nation. Of course, realism must be incorporated into it so as to make the experience more entertaining, not to mention challenging.

For example, with the United States, it is possible that you turn the nation into an aggresive empire, its just your going to have to incorporate the response from Congress and the Public at large (being that most Americans at the time were rather Isolationist, it will be difficult).

As for China, it has a great potential to become an Industrial Powerhouse, the only problem is is that its government is hampered by Corruption, China's government is rather de-centralized and almost powerless in the countryside (especially in the western territories) and nations such as Japan and Russia are actively in pursuit of more Chinese territory. But hey, with the right leadership and a good plan, Im sure China could fufill its Industrial potential by the 1920's, maybe even sooner if the Japanese or Russians dont try taking Manchuria first.

So in summary, I'd say if you want to play a nation that's easier to RP, go with the United States. However, if you really want a challenge, go with Imperial China.

I agree with Lachenburg. USA would be easier but China would be a real challenge (pretty fit for you I think, you love challenges ;) ). And China can expect some interest from me. :D

Thanks guys! Wiki pretty much covers the UK naval forces, the deployment dates of their ships used in WWI gives me a pretty good idea of what they had in 1910 especially for the capital ships such as dreadnoughts and various cruisers.

As for the army that stuff sounds good, I'll incorperate it into the Word Factbook entry I've been compiling then get it up there sometime tomorrow!

I have to watch out for you--my people bought weapons from you and Ottoman--I want you as up to date as possible.

Hey Warta I have been reading an appearently most of Saudi was Nomads until around the 1950s--SO please allow me to change that to Nomads.
I want to be true to the spirit---I would like to know if I can RP (later) a transition to a more civilised nation?
Sorry, one more question--certainly not the last---
If I read your rules right this is 'Time Period Appropriate Open Tech' meaning that while we are bound to have no technology beyond what was possible--as in REAL not as in if they had thought of it they could have built f-16 from wood type crap-- But it is open and Russia could be using USA style tech--or mongolia could have English style battleships, Yes?

Just reviewing the British Fleet on Wiki whilst making the factbook entry, there are a hellava lot of ship names and thats only in the Grand Fleet. Would you prefer to just have a total number of ships rather than all of the names as Germany has posted.

Also if anybody has any links to the British Army circa 1910 it would be much appreciated!I can give you a 1914 Order of Battle for the BEF, but that's probably not sufficient...

Norodna Odbrana: That's just hilarious! You'll be Austria-Hungary.OOC: Oh, it's going to be a wild ride.

In El Caudillo's TLE (The Latest Earth), Narodna Odbrana has intervened in that world's timeline to try and establish a 21st Century version of the Khmer Empire; they're going to fail, but as a side-effect of their temporal intervention they will end up in control of Japan through the yakuza (how's that for a dark future - a 21st Century Japan run by an alliance of the yakuza and the zaibutsu; the perfect evil cyber-ninja future...

But Nardona Odbrana's effort will succeed in building a Khmer Empire - just not one under their control.

So here's the fun part: because Narodna Odbrana had no Cambodian agents to employ in its intervention, it recruited some Khmer Rouge terrorists. Of course, it also planned to eliminate them when their usefulness was through.

For the most part the succeeded in taking out the Khmer Rouge operatives, but not entirely. And so the surviving Khmer Rouge operatives have decided to neutralize Nardona Odbrana by preventing the assassination of Archduke Franz Ferdinand.

Of course, this is just color, and the fact that there are temporal agents intervening in two realities will have no effect on the actual progress of international events in either world (other than providing me with an excuse for changing history in each timeline). But it will be magnificent fun.

Skibereen: You may RP Saudi Arabia. But remember that the Ottoman Empire has a very strong influence.The House of Saud was on the rise, fighting the royal family of Jordan for control of the Hejaz (sp?). Although ostensibly the House of Saud owed fealty to the Ottomans, in truth the Saudis were independent. In 1910, Faisal's rebellion (with the aid of T.E. Lawrence) was less than a decade away.

More generally, the Saudis have the potential to manipulate opinion throughout the Arab world from 1924 onward, once they become the official guardians of the Mosques.

But Austria-Hungary (yes, Austria-Hungary) has an interest here, and that may change a few things... ;)

Hey Warta I have been reading an appearently most of Saudi was Nomads until around the 1950s--SO please allow me to change that to Nomads.
I want to be true to the spirit---I would like to know if I can RP (later) a transition to a more civilised nation?
Sorry, one more question--certainly not the last---
If I read your rules right this is 'Time Period Appropriate Open Tech' meaning that while we are bound to have no technology beyond what was possible--as in REAL not as in if they had thought of it they could have built f-16 from wood type crap-- But it is open and Russia could be using USA style tech--or mongolia could have English style battleships, Yes?

Skibereen: It would a great RP wise to transform a nomad society into a urban/civilized (Nomads are also civilized, so I rather call the difference nomad-urban). I would have no objection to that. And about your tech question: ofcourse! But I would doubt Mongolia would need a battleship. ;)
EDIT: Now that I think of it, to have US tech as Russia, a tech trade would be necessary.

Narodna Odbrana: Well, full of plans. I like that! And I understand Austria Hungary may become a colonial power? ;)

Cool, So I will START as Nomadic(I couldnt think of another term then civilised--Bedouins are and have been for the mot very civil people)--and try to roll it towards a more sedientary (s/p?) life style.

Narodna Odbrana , you will notice I wrote that "I had a map of where the Ottoman's had influence--and who my neighbors were" The Wahhabists were not fond of the Ottomans and therefore the Saud family couldnt be if they had wanted to--it is true however that the English did maintain a good relationship with the Sauds/Wahhabists--they had a greater influence then the Ottomans did.

I would like to be Japan please if it has not been taken.

Warta has already taken Japan. However, there are still plenty of good nations left to claim (Russia, Canada, Austrialia ect.).

I'd love to play as the Netherlands and its empire, which included the Netherlands Antilles, Aruba, the Dutch East Indies, Suriname, and Ceylon.

Ok, you're in as the Netherlands. Note: Ceylon is British by 1910.

All right. I will play China, but I'll diverge history a little early to help me set up a stage for a power change / transfer.

Here's what I plan... Prince Tuan had a secret heir, and he grew up abroad, going to school then college in the USA. By 1908, he is ready to return to China, when his cadre of supporters suggest the situation is safe for him to return.

When he returns, he aggressively pursures support by speaking at festivities, temples, etc. The people grow to respect Tuan's son, and feel that his intelligence will be what will save China. He also meets with several military leaders, and discusses stuff with them. The leaders are impressed, and throw in their support, realizing that Tuan's son will be able to save China from destruction or break-up.

By 1910, Prince Tuan's son has enough support to topple the Manchu dynasty and the Dowager Empress Cixi. Tuan's son, Zhuge, will be able to declare himself Emperor due to popular support and the fact that he is of the Imperial blood-line. He announces the formation of a new dynasty, the Guozu Dynasty, and then when 1911 arrives, I can start RP'ing China the way I want it to go.

If I'm allowed to do this, then I could RP China, because to set up a power ploy by 1910, I have to set the "wheels in motion" a few years earlier.

This is a good idea. I'll allow this, it would certainly be interesting to see what happens.

Edit: I forgot, what shall we use as time scale? I thought about 1 RL day is 1 IC month.

This is a good idea. I'll allow this, it would certainly be interesting to see what happens.

Edit: I forgot, what shall we use as time scale? I thought about 1 RL day is 1 IC month.

Thanks. :)

Looking forward to RP'ing. By the way, when will this RP officially start, so I can start posting IC stuff?

I think if we use 1 RL day = 1 NS month, it'd take 12 RL days for 1 NS year. Then if we want to bring this to MT times, like 1980 - 2010....

2 RL weeks = 1 NS year. 90 NS years to bring this from 1910 to 2000. That'd be 180 RL weeks, nearly 4 RL years! We'd be RP'ing this in 2009 in RL. That's too much, IMHO.

What I propose is this... 1 RL week = 2 NS years. This way, we can hit the year 2000 by next summer. 52 weeks times 2 NS years = 104 NS years.


Seriously, I'm sure that nobody here wants to wait 2, much less 4, RL years just to use MT stuff in this Earth. That's plain too long and nobody has that kind of patience.

Well, you put a bit of calculation in it. I think even one year is a bit long, but nevermind. :) I think we should start once we have the major players (France, Russia and USA). So start spreading the word, Age of Imperialism is seeking RPers!

No prob, always glad to help out.

Any idea how to encourage / get players to RP as USA, Russia, and France?

Any idea how to encourage / get players to RP as USA, Russia, and France?

Free Budweiser/Wodka/Champaign for the RPers :p

Seriously, I have no clue.

BUMP! USA, Russia, France and many more are open! COme on people, join!

Your Bump caught my eye, therefore i'd like to claim Canada if it's available, which it seem's it is.

Canada it is! Don't forget to search for Canadian 1910 stats and post them in the factbook thread.

Great Thank's, and will do a factbook of 1910 fact's for them as soon as I get home :)

Go USSR well kill all of you :mp5: :sniper: :headbang: :upyours:

Im afraid my factbook entry has got held up today! (German GP then had to stuff with the family im afraid!)

Up sometime tomorrow.

Go USSR well kill all of you :mp5: :sniper: :headbang: :upyours:

first i would like to say, i don't think the USSR was around in 1910. i think it was just called Russia.

second i hope you RP better then than this post looks.

This is a good idea. I'll allow this, it would certainly be interesting to see what happens.

Edit: I forgot, what shall we use as time scale? I thought about 1 RL day is 1 IC month.

I have had some very good experiences on W@w as far as time management goes.

I suggest that Warta be the ...time keeper...deciding ultimately what time period we are in as this is his baby.

That the 1day/1month would be good for calculating national incomes and seasons and what not--however in general the pasage of time should be agreed as -Fluid- so that RP'r do not feel pressure--pressure causes quiting and sloppy posts.

Then warta can reveiw and say "Yes, it is now year XXXX" or "Yes, now this leap in Technology is available"

Does that mean he claims russia?

I'm going to mark colonial areas as held by their owners in this map.

If i shouldn't I'll make another map.

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b132/Defuniak/worldblank13.gif

I'm Changing my claim. I am now France. It is now known. I am no longer the Ottoman Empire. I will Change My Wiki.

OK, A couple more questions

1. I believe Warta said he create an RP thread where all RPing would take place--if this is true--where is it--or make it please.

2. I am RPing Nomad--however the resources of Bedouins(which is basically what I am--Were livestock--Camel, Horse, SHeep
Agriculture: Dates(the fruit), melons and other fruit (I would have to check my wiki)
Minerals: Gold, Copper
Now having those income sources--not to mention raiding trade routes--I need to generate an income to purchase goods from nations.
How do we define income? Or is that fluid?

3. I assume all alliances and political situations up to this point have existed--and it is up to us how to deal with them? Yes?

Three things.

1. I believe China controlled Mongolia in 1910, and lost it in 1911 or 1912.

2. I support slowing down of time for intensive RP's. However, a 1 RL day = 1 NS month will stretch this RP out way too much. Seriously, who wants to wait until 2009 in RL to finally play with MT stuff and Cold War stuff?

Thus, I propose a compromoise.

Normal Timescale: 1 RL week = 2 NS years.
Intensive Timescale: 1 RL week = 6 NS months.

Normal Timescale is to be used for periods of low to medium activity, where no huge World War RP's are going on. Also, those boring "interlude" years where you develop your industry and infrastructure are part of Normal Timescale.

Intensive Timescale is to be used when there's loads of RP activity. For example, a war RP with 15 players in it. Or 10 different RP's taking place at the same time. That kind of activity.

Hope that made sense.


3. I do not support, endorse, or recongize this "The Iron Curten" player. He apparently does not have any RP skills, using those smilies and language as his first post in here. He also doesn't even have any grasp of history, because we all know that the USSR didn't form by 1910. It was first put in action under Stalin and Communism, and it started to take off during the 1930's.

Therefore, The Iron Curten doesn't deserve to be given Russia, or any participation in this RP project at all.

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b132/Defuniak/worldblank11.gif


One problem i have. Morocco was mostly controled by France, and Spain had a small part to the north. But at the time there was a rebelion going on at least in Spanish morocco don't know about France.

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As for the above post, i agree with number 2 and three but i don't know
about 1.

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as for Skibereen's questions i can only answer number 3 of the top of my head. and that would be a yes.

OK, A couple more questions

1. I believe Warta said he create an RP thread where all RPing would take place--if this is true--where is it--or make it please.

2. I am RPing Nomad--however the resources of Bedouins(which is basically what I am--Were livestock--Camel, Horse, SHeep
Agriculture: Dates(the fruit), melons and other fruit (I would have to check my wiki)
Minerals: Gold, Copper
Now having those income sources--not to mention raiding trade routes--I need to generate an income to purchase goods from nations.
How do we define income? Or is that fluid?

3. I assume all alliances and political situations up to this point have existed--and it is up to us how to deal with them? Yes?

1. I'll make one once we have enough players. I think we need at least another Russia and a USA would be nice. Iron Curtain didn't made a good impression. To think of it, I'll make one once I've finished this post, just no RPing yet.

2. A bit of a difficult question. I think it would be a bit difficult if economy would be a major factor, just keep it realistic. It would be a bit strange if for example Portugal starts building 40 battleships and dozens of other ships.

3. As Nebarri_Prime said, yes.

And with the map: Nice job, just a few comments.

Mongolia was indeed Chinese, Siam/Thailand was Independant, Burma and Malaysia British as were Yemen and Oman (which you coloured Grey for Saudi Arabia).

And you're France now, that's alright.

Good idea with the time scale. A bit slower in war situation, but stuff like road building or something will go faster.

I'm pretty busy now with all the RP's but I've got time :D

Can i get Tzarist Russia?? The Russian Empire as it was known? Is there an invisionfree site for this, that would be good if anyone could set one up!!

1. I'll make one once we have enough players. I think we need at least another Russia and a USA would be nice. Iron Curtain didn't made a good impression. To think of it, I'll make one once I've finished this post, just no RPing yet.

2. A bit of a difficult question. I think it would be a bit difficult if economy would be a major factor, just keep it realistic. It would be a bit strange if for example Portugal starts building 40 battleships and dozens of other ships.

3. As Nebarri_Prime said, yes.

And with the map: Nice job, just a few comments.

Mongolia was indeed Chinese, Siam/Thailand was Independant, Burma and Malaysia British as were Yemen and Oman (which you coloured Grey for Saudi Arabia).

And you're France now, that's alright.

Good idea with the time scale. A bit slower in war situation, but stuff like road building or something will go faster.

I'm pretty busy now with all the RP's but I've got time :D


According To that 1910 map, (i'm using that as a key) Siam And Burma Area were underlings of the French Empire. I'm going to make another map, in which mongolia will be a part of china, and a little bit more elaboration on the maps.

I'll quote Wikipedia for that:

Thailand is the only Southeast Asian country never to have been taken over by a European power, though Western influence, including the threat of force, led to many reforms in the 19th century and major concessions to British mercantile interests (as such many historians include Thailand in the "informal British Empire").

Previously an independent kingdom, in 1824-26,1851-52 and 1885-86 Burma was invaded by the British Empire and become a part of India. The Japanese kicked out British Empire with Aung San and occupied the country during World War II but it was retaken by the British in 1945.

The map is just a bit wrong in some places.

BUMP! Join, people, join! We need a Russia, USA is open and many other countries.

Southeast Asia is my other area of expertise. ;)

Burma belong to the British Empire from 1830 on. Thailand was independent, allying itself with Japan in 1940. Indochina (Cambodia, Laos, and Vietnam) were French territories from 1870-1880 onward.

Malaysia (called "Malaya") was British, Indonesia (except for East Timor) Dutch. East Timor was Portuguese. The Philippines belonged to America from 1898 (or so) onward (in RL, BTW, my great-grandfather was Taft's observer in the Philippines and wrote a 2 volume history of the American presence there from the Spanish-American War through the Bolo insurrection).

Formosa was Japanese from the 1890's onward. Guam was American. Most of Melanesia (including the Solomon Islands) was German.

And Austria did have one colony - a small concession on the Tientsin (sp?)Peninsula in China. They were involved in the Boxer Rebellion, like everyone else.

In answer to your question, Austria has no intention of becoming a colonial power. Rather, we intend to become an anti-colonial power... ;).

If Germany and France are now both taken, I'd like to begin secret diplomacy with both via TG. Austria's interest (as you will all soon see) is in preventing war between the Great Powers of Europe, and while we stand four-square behind our allies in Berlin, we believe that much can be gained by seeking a diplomatic opening with Paris.

Hopefully, there will be an Ottoman player soon. In 1910, war was looming (again) in the Balkans between Serbia, Roumania, the Bulgarian peoples, and the Turks (the second in less than four years). Austria historically saw the situation begin to spiral out of control in 1909, so I will continue the historical effort to prevent war from breaking out if at all possible (it actually did in 1912, as the so-called Second Balkan War).

Wow! You're really a history guy!

Can i get Tzarist Russia?? The Russian Empire as it was known? Is there an invisionfree site for this, that would be good if anyone could set one up!!

Sorry, didn't see you! :(

You're Russia, again I'm so sorry!

We had an off (NS) forum site previously, but that one died. I have the experience that off forum RP's die pretty soon. I prefer to keep it on NS itself.

Okay, so we have both Russia and France now. Defunky = France and Risen Empire = Russia.

So should we start RP'ing now that we got the major players signed up and ready?

OOC: Ok factbook entry going up within the hour, I also have a replacement player for me virtually sorted out for when I'm on holiday.

Also Narodna, thats all good stuff! Its nice to see somebody who knows their history on NS! At school last academic year we studied the buildup to the start of the First World War in some detail, so hopefully I can use that as well :)

ooc. I agree we should start. Let's get rolling!

I am very interested in joining this rp. I would love to play as Russia, but under one condition. Someone has to explain to me this game works. I have no expierence in this as I have never played one of these games before. But I am very interested in History and I pulled of an A+ in honors history this year so I know my stuff. I just dont know the first thing about doing this stuff. Could someone kindly please explain this whole system to me?

I just noticed that Russia was recently claimed. In that case I would be more than happy to accept the greatest nation on earth. The stripes and the stars. Good old America.

Also, does America come with its many Island protectorites and territories? Because they are not on the map ( I realize they are geographicly small).

Yes. You will get the Phillipines, But The others won't be visible. I'm making another map on this thread, then i'll make one on the Roleplaying thread.

Welcome aboard, Atlantian Islands. I would be happy to have you RP here.

BTW, Warta Endor, it can be hard for people to find specific info on their nations in 1910's. This has happened in E20 (Earth 1900 - 2000), so it could be problematic for some players to write up factbooks for 1910. However, they can easily write up factbooks by 1920 or so when they have their own military stuff, developed their nations the way they wanted, and so forth.

Thoughts on that?

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Damn, you make awesome maps, Defunky. :D

Could someone please explain to me about factbooks and how to play this game, what to do, where to do it, and just about everything else that has to do with this game, as I am new to this. Thank you, any help would be greatly apreaciated.

My aol screen name is Obrian9819 if you would like to explain the game to me there because I know it can get tirsesome to post back and forth between my questions and your answers. Thank you, by the way that map is amazing. I just ask for one addition to that map, Hawaii, as it is a VERY important Naval base for America and attack opportunity for Japan ;) Thank you I hope you will take that under consideration.

Hawaii, as it is a VERY important Naval base for America and attack opportunity for Japan ;) Thank you I hope you will take that under consideration.

Hehehehe (as Japan) ;) did you guys know that the US and Japan almost went to war in 1913? Japan was abit upset about the immigration laws in California :D

Good to have a USA. I don't have AOL, but I'll try to answer all your questions in this post.

Well, in a factbook you give the basic information about your country (population, major resources, territories and most important your military, all 1910 facts if possible) www.wikipedia.org is very good for info.

You basicly play as if you rule (in this case) the US. You decide what kind of actions the US will take. You can, for example invade Mexico and Canada, it's up to you. But you have to do it with the methods you have, so if you have 250000 men in your army, don't type that a million men attack Toronto or something.

The typing (RPing, Roleplaying) will take place in the thread I've made. I don't know if there's a link in the first post, but I'll check so that you can go directly to the thread without a lot of searching.

I probably forgot a lot, but I know sure the other guys can also answer your questions. If you have any problem during the RPing, just aks right away. Everybody will certainly help.

Good luck and lots of fun!

My aol screen name is Obrian9819 if you would like to explain the game to me there because I know it can get tirsesome to post back and forth between my questions and your answers. Thank you, by the way that map is amazing. I just ask for one addition to that map, Hawaii, as it is a VERY important Naval base for America and attack opportunity for Japan ;) Thank you I hope you will take that under consideration.You've got Manila in the Phillipines and Guam, remember...

Yes I know, but the Phillepines are already on the map, Hawaii is not. and Guam while important, in my eyes is not important as Hawaii.

I'm helping Atlantian Islands via AIM, and I'm teaching him about RP, factbooks, NS in general, etc.

Warta, I'm still having trouble trying to figure out proper Chinese stats for 1910. There isn't much info on exact numbers and stats. Maybe I'm looking in the wrong place or something.

Keep in mind, I'm diverging from history a little bit by having a different ruler and new reforms, military, government, etc. replacing the corrupt Manchu Dynasty. So my stats might end up somewhat different from RL stats of 1910 or even 1915.

Well, China is certainly difficult. I have found a bit of info for (what I have found) the only Chinese Army in 1910.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Armies

Thanks, Warta.

I think I may have to hold off the factbook until 1915 rolls around, because by that time, I'll have a far better idea of what stats and military that my China will have. My reforms will be taking place, like military and education, so I will be able to easily extrapolate stats and such.

Will that work?

You basicly play as if you rule (in this case) the US. You decide what kind of actions the US will take. You can, for example invade Mexico and Canada, it's up to you. But you have to do it with the methods you have, so if you have 250000 men in your army, don't type that a million men attack Toronto or something.But...

Let's all keep the technology in mind as well!

AT SEA: Except for the use of aircraft to bomb ships or torpedo them, most of the elements of modern (pre-1970) naval warfare were present. Battleships were growing rapidly is size, belt, and striking power, having replaced the dreadnought of a decade earlier, which in turn had replaced the old battleships of yesteryear. Torpedoes - steam powered, the oxygen-powered ones not having yet been invented (that would come in the late 1930's) - represented a good counter to the battleship. Torpedo boats were usually used to launch torpedoes at the enemy; the counter for torpedo boats were torpedo boat destroyers, which eventually came to be known as just "destroyers". Smoke screens were an integral part of torpedo tactics, since you usually had to get to within 4,000 meters or so to be able to launch them.

There were two kinds of cruisers: armoured cruisers and light cruisers. Cruisers were meant to scout away from the fleet, protect its flanks, etc. Armoured cruisers were there to beat up on the unarmoured kind.

Some navies had battle-cruisers, which were meant to do what 18th Century frigates could do: beat up on anything smaller than they were, and run away from anything bigger. They had to run away from bigger ships because they lacked the armoured belt to stand up in a fight with the battleships.

Mines were used for shore defence, and were nasty.

Subs existed, had limited range, and would prove to be very effective, although few people thought they would be as effective as they would later prove to be. They were very slow, but because there was no sonar, they could be very deadly. Generally, subs were restricted to lying in wait or sneaking into enemy harbours. Everyone had submarine nets to prevent the latter occurrence.

Most ships employed coal as fuel, and all fleets required colliers. Colliers were often sailing ships, last of their kind. Due to the use of coal, ranges were short and coaling strategy was pivotal. Take out your enemy's coaling bases and you limited his "blue-water" projection capability.

Over-the-beach invasion and resupply capacity was almost non-existent. Some armies had begun to experiment with barges, but the landing craft and the various amphibious support ships of the Second World War were 30 years away. You basically invaded by sending marines over the side in small boats, landing and taking a port. If you couldn't take a port quickly, your invasion would fail.

IN THE AIR: The value of aircraft in reconnaissance was recognised immediately. Everybody had reconnaissance aircraft by 1912-1916, and had scores of them to boot. Combat aircraft didn't emerge until the first major use of reconnaissance aircraft in war, but almost immediately thereafter people began arming pilots and then building so-called "pursuit" aircraft. I would say that nobody should have such aircraft until the first time two nations with recon aircraft fight, and then everyone should be allowed to start building them the following year. It took only four years for aircraft to become very sophisticated.

Bombing started very shortly after the first "pursuit" aircraft appeared, although light dedicated bombers didn't show up until 1920 or so (before that everything was a tactical or "fighter-bomber". Torpedoes were first dropped from planes around 1918, but didn't start to become effective until the 1920's. Dive-bombing was invented by the U.S. Marines in Nicaragua, c. 1924.

Parachutes were introduced in 1917-1918, and at least one general (Pershing) contemplated an airdrop. Transport aircraft like the Ford Trimotor didn't show up until the 1930's however, so the practical use of large paratroop deployments was at least 20 years away in 1910.

Dirigibles and zeppelins were used for naval reconnaissance and weather studies from the start of the period. They had tremendous range (hundreds of kilometres) and could remain in the air for a very long time (days on end).

Float-planes began to appear around 1918, and by 1920 were carried by most larger ships (cruisers and above) for reconnaissance.

ON THE GROUND: Machine guns were available to every army and demonstrated their use immediately. Barbed wire was also available, and most armies had trenching tools (the French being the exceptions, but not because they couldn't; they just didn't believe in them). Trenching was a centuries old technique, and in 1914 the armies dug deep as soon as the value of trenches became obvious.

Light (air-cooled) machine guns only appeared near the end of the Great War, and were relatively unreliable. Most MG's were water-cooled and mounted on sleds, so they weren't very mobile.

There were three kinds or artillery: light, rapid-fire cannon like the French 75mm (best light piece in the world), designed to sweep the battlefield with HE fire (and very good at it), heavier howitzers ranging from 105mm to 155mm, which were more set-piece weapons, and then the big fort-smashing guns (210mm and above). These last were actually super-heavy mortars, and the larger ones were mounted on railroad cars. The Germans had some magnificent 305mm and 420mm naval pieces designed to smash through the concrete bunkers and forts along the Belgian plains.

Infantrymen were armed with bolt-action magazine rifles, capable of rates of fire ranging from 8-18 rounds per minute. Some armies were better shots than others. The British were the best, the French and Russians among the worst.

All armies still had cavalry. In trench situations, cavalry was worthless, but in open areas (like Eastern Europe), it could be decisive. Cavalrymen still had sabres but largely gave them up for rifles and pistols after the first few battles proved their uselessness. At the point where sabres were abandoned, cavalry became mobile infantry.

Some armies used bicyclists form reconnaissance. These were basically mobile infantry scouts, like the cavalry.

Tanks were invented in response to the stalemate of the trenches, as were armoured cars. It's not obvious that they would have been invented without the carnage of the Great War, at least not as quickly. I figure 2-3 years after the first trench warfare, or by 1920-21 at the latest, with the armoured car coming first in the absence of trench warfare.

Poison gas was another invention spawned by trench warfare. Had it not been for the trenches, it would have taken longer to come up with poison gas. The first gasses were simply left to drift over enemy lines, like smoke; later, gas shells were invented. Early gasses were industrial chemicals like chlorine and ammonia. Mustard (a caustic agent designed to penetrate clothing) can a few years later, and was the most devastating chemical agent until the invention of nerve gas in the late 1930's. Nobody had chemical "gear" (suits) in the modern sense, just gloves, coats, and masks.

Wireless was invented right at the start of the period, but was only used on warships or by headquarters units until after the Great War. Telegraph lines were a more common communications technology, which nations tried to counter by intense shelling (to cut the lines). Runners, whistles, coloured smoke, flares and star shells, semaphores, etc. were the principal means to convey orders to troops, which explains why so many attacks 1914-1920 fell apart (due to a lack of coordination).

Due to the poor state of communications and the power of defencive weaponry, defending troops often prevailed over attackers. However, almost everyone counterattacked, resulting in fairly even casualties on both sides. Losses were staggering; in some of the battles of 1914, some armies lost 20% of their strength in a week.

A few armies used lorries for transport, but most relied on draft horses and the railroads. In Eastern Europe, the control of huge areas of land revolved around the seizure of a railhead. Railroad gauges weren't always compatible, but engineers could move rails in or out to accommodate. Sometimes the advance of an army would hang on the ability of the engineers to get the railroads back in order.

In the 1920's, armoured trains were used intensively by both sides in the Russian Civil War.

Morale became a serious problem for all nations during the Great War due to the horrible losses and awful conditions. Communist agitators took advantage of this to foment revolution almost everywhere when the war ended in 1918-19.

ENVIRONMENTAL FACTORS: Medicine was despicable. The Australians had the best medicines due to their use of melaleuca alternifola, an aboriginal plant that could kill fungus, bacteria, you name it. Melaleuca is mildly caustic, however, so it would be bad against chemical burns (like mustard). Sulfa and penicillin weren't invented yet.

In the middle of the Great War, a global pandemic (the Spanish Flu) killed millions worldwide. There were also global outbreaks of rubella and German measles. Malnutrition due to the ravages of war and the British blockade of Central Europe laid the groundwork for these outbreaks. They were almost as devastating as the Black Death; in America - far from the war zone - many towns lost dozens, even scores - of people in a matter of weeks. Some cities lost thousands of people.

ECONOMIC FACTORS: In 1909, a fellow by the name of Normal Angell published a book called The Great Illusion in which he argued that war among the great powers was unthinkable because the disruption of the global economic system such a war would cause would result in unmitigated disaster. He was right about the last point: the Great War plunged the world into the Great Depression, and it did not recover until the Second World War, almost 20 years later.

Yes I know, but the Phillepines are already on the map, Hawaii is not. and Guam while important, in my eyes is not important as Hawaii.Read my comments on naval warfare, and then repeat after me:

Guam is a coaling station. Guam has fresh water.

Were r we RPing

That was quite informative, Narodna Odbrana (I'll call ya NO from onwards).

Are you a historian or economist in RL?

That was quite informative, Narodna Odbrana (I'll call ya NO from onwards).

Are you a historian or economist in RL?Network administrator in RL, but I studied military history and played wargames as a kid (my first two games were the old Avalon Hill classics, "1914" and "Jutland", BTW), and my degree (B.A.) was in Economics.

Google this stuff; there's a ton of material out there on the WWW. I have already got the build schedule for the Austro-Hungarian navy, scholarly papers on the ethnic problem in the Balkans, and all I need are some good works on the Austro-Hungarian army and I'll be good to go.

Of course, I have to figure out how to get the Dual Monarchy to survive the first 10 years of the game, but that's another challenge...

BTW, Sharina, I also noticed that your in TLE as well (as the resurgent Aztec Empire). Ain't alternate history fun?

BTW, Sharina, I also noticed that your in TLE as well (as the resurgent Aztec Empire). Ain't alternate history fun?

Yup. I'm a big alternate history fan. Thus, my interest in those alternate history RP projects.

As for Earth TLE, I'm a little disappointed as it seems to have died out or something. :(

I love Atl-hist RP's aswell, does anyone know of any other class ones, or where we are actually RPing???

I love Atl-hist RP's aswell, does anyone know of any other class ones, or where we are actually RPing???

I think Warta said we can start now. However, I don't have the URL link to the actual thread where the RP will take place. I think Warta put the link somewhere in this thread, or try checking 1st post in this thread. If not, I can try to help find the link for you.

[QUOTE=Warta Endor]

Skibereen: You may RP Saudi Arabia. But remember that the Ottoman Empire has a very strong influence.

"A Very strong influence"?

You mean "owning it" don't you?

There WAS no Saudi Arabia, it was part of the Ottoman Empire. I mean, c'mon, the NAME Saudi Arabia comes from "Saud", the name of the family the allies put on top after WWI.

I think Warta said we can start now. However, I don't have the URL link to the actual thread where the RP will take place. I think Warta put the link somewhere in this thread, or try checking 1st post in this thread. If not, I can try to help find the link for you.
Thanks, i may check it out, i wanna start!! Good will hunting!

Here's the link to the actual RP thread.

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=433959

Hope that helps, Risen Empire.

[QUOTE=Warta Endor]

Skibereen: You may RP Saudi Arabia. But remember that the Ottoman Empire has a very strong influence.

"A Very strong influence"?

You mean "owning it" don't you?

There WAS no Saudi Arabia, it was part of the Ottoman Empire. I mean, c'mon, the NAME Saudi Arabia comes from "Saud", the name of the family the allies put on top after WWI.No, I think a safe case can be made for allowing a Saudi player. The Saud familiy was powerful in the region from the 18th Century onwards, and was a tributary of the Ottomans, and yet Ottoman control here was very weak.

Without a Saud player, it would be godmodding for the British to recreat T.E. Lawrence's Arab Revolt, since it would mean that the British player was telling the Ottoman player that his subjects were taking up arms against him.

ooc. Very, very, Very interesting NO!!! I maybe got a role for you...

EDIT: check your TG's. I TGed you, but with my puppet.

My part in the world is periphery--so when you call go I am ready--but i am little so...your the boss.

OOC:

We need to set up an official list of who is RP'ing which nation.

NO is playing Austria-Hungary, right? Who's playing Germany? I forgot.

I am.

I would like to be the Kingdom of Serbia.

I would like to be the Kingdom of Serbia.You mean, the only government with the potential for a shorter life-span than mine (Austria-Hungary)? ;)

My part in the world is periphery--so when you call go I am ready--but i am little so...your the boss.You could take the Ottomans now that they're open... But I think you should stick with the House of Saud, if you're permitted.

anything left for me to be? If not I'll be a moderator plz, or research some historical facts, whateva you want :confused:

anything left for me to be? If not I'll be a moderator plz, or research some historical facts, whateva you want :confused:Portugal, Belgium, Holland, Denmark, Norway, Switzerland, Romania, Bulgaria, the Ottoman Empire (although I'm not sure if Skirbereen, who's got the House of Saud, will take that instead of the Saudis), the Royal House of Jordan (I'm spacing their name right now), Mexico, anything in South America, Thailand, Australia, New Zealand, Tibet, Ethiopia...)

Or you could take a revolutionary movement, like the Viet Minh, the Indian National Congress, the IRA...

Lots of people...

Hehe, yeah quite likely. There's one dilemma though, many Balkan nations have not been declared by anyone nor do I expect them to be. What of Serbia's dealing with Romania, Bulgaria, Greece, etc? If I just assume it all works out for the Serbs then I'd imagine it would be godmodding...how could this be worked out?

Ok I would wish to be Argentina

As a matter of fact...

The Second Balkan War broke out in 1912. That's right in front of us. I don't think we're going to have any help, unless a Turk joins, so it's gonna be you and me, kiddo... ;)

(Austria was not a participant, but if no one else is in, I'll control the anti-Serbian forces, just because).Yeah, I'll start looking up the Second Balkan War, and you probably should too. That should be the next big sendup, by next week, say?

Personally, the Dual Monarchy is going to try to head the conflict off (which is actually what they did, only their efforts came too late), just because it's bad to have a wildfire raging on your doorstep.

After the Second Balkan War, it's gonna be up to you if we have peace or not. Don't make me come down there and kick your _ss... ;)

The RP thread is here (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=433959), but try to get a factbook assembled ASAP. Serbia, I'll try to help as much as I can, because we have so little time before things start blowing up. If we have to, though, we can wing it...

Excellent. Let's see if we can make a peaceful unification of the Balkans...maybe Ferdinand doesn't need to be shot ;)

I'm still concerned about accidentally doing some godmodding with the Balkan League. None of the nations save for Serbia are being RP'ed by a person. Bulgaria lost a lot of territory after the league brokedown after the Balkan war ended due to disputes over who should get the newly conquered territories. Serbia gained by far the most. I don't know if I can just assume bam Ottomons get a pasting and we get the land and Bulgaria happily backs off.

So we can have a crisis, and even an Austrian ultimatum, but I'll accept the final Serbian compromise at the 11th hour to obtain a fair peace...BTW, notice my name. If you read the earlier part of this thread, my "nation" is actually derived from the "Black Hand". So one of the things that needs to come out of this parallel history is that the "Black Hand" needs to surivive an morph into a criminal syndicate. I'll talk to you about that. It shouldn't affect either nation's chances of survival.

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Hey so it is! Don't mind me...rusty Serbian and all. I never even noticed....

Hey so it is! Don't mind me...rusty Serbian and all. I never even noticed....


:confused:

I just make the maps and look for claims. I don't read the thread.

You could take the Ottomans now that they're open... But I think you should stick with the House of Saud, if you're permitted.
Oh I like the Sauds--I choose them deliberately because there role is important but on the periphery so that my inability to post often will not hinder the RP.

Just one more thing on the map, poland was mostly controled by Russia if not all. the rest was German if any.

Just one more thing on the map, poland was mostly controled by Russia if not all. the rest was German if any.Poland was split three ways between Russia, Germany, and the Dual Monarchy. The Ukraine belonged to Russia.

I will soon begin a thread on the Balkan Wars. Participants should be (taken in bold):
Ottoman Turkey a/k/a "the Porte" (not taken - most closely aligned with Germany [to be played by Warta Endor if no player emerges])
The Kingdom of Serbia (Slavic Byzantium)
The Kingdom of Greece (not taken - most closely aligned with Russia)
The Kingdom of Bulgaria (not taken - most closely aligned with Germany)
The Kingdom of Albania (not taken - most closely aligned with Turkey, then Austria-Hungary)
The Kingdom of Montenegro (not taken - should be considered a Serbian puppet)
The Kingdom of Italy (Voxia)
The Austro-Hungarian Empire a/k/a "the Dual Monarchy" (Narodna Odbrana)
The Kingdom of Romania (Bogmihia)
This will be a sort of "game within the game". It should be kept short and sweet. I'd like to have a Turkish player. "Interested" parties (like Germany, France, Great Britain, and Russia) may get involved if it's plausible.

Thread to come.

FOOTNOTE: With everyone's approval, I'd like to grant the right to play Montengro to the Serbs.

Narodna, that is a set of impressive posts you typed up at the beginning of page 2 of the RP thread, bloody fantastic in my opinion! Although that may be the history love within me talking.

Narodna, that is a set of impressive posts you typed up at the beginning of page 2 of the RP thread, bloody fantastic in my opinion! Although that may be the history love within me talking.Thanks. I wanted people to understand where the Dual Monarchy was coming from; it makes RP more believable.

And on that point, you're not really going to ally yourselves with the British Empire, are you?

What's wrong with an alliance made up of a republic and three constitutional monarchies (in fact, within the next 10 years, the Dual Monarchy will institute Universal Suffrage [Franz Ferdinand wanted this])? Russia isn't anywhere near that liberal!!!

And don't tell me it's because you share "common values" with the Brits. C'mon, who gave you that beautiful lady who looks our over New York harbour, huh?

OOC: I am The British Empire mate :P

Thanks. I wanted people to understand where the Dual Monarchy was coming from; it makes RP more believable.

And on that point, you're not really going to ally yourselves with the British Empire, are you?

What's wrong with an alliance made up of a republic and three constitutional monarchies (in fact, within the next 10 years, the Dual Monarchy will institute Universal Suffrage [Franz Ferdinand wanted this])? Russia isn't anywhere near that liberal!!!

And don't tell me it's because you share "common values" with the Brits. C'mon, who gave you that beautiful lady who looks our over New York harbour, huh?

I thought Independent Hitmen was RP'ing Great Britain?


On a side note, we should set up the timeframe. What do you guys say to the "End Turn" (Civilization style) every Sunday / Monday at midnight? In other words, the year turns to 1912 this Sunday / Monday at midnight, then 1914 on Aug. 7 / 8, and then so on.

Thoughts? Feedback?

I thought Independent Hitmen was RP'ing Great Britain?Gosh, you're right. Never mind my comments, Hitmen! ;)

ooc. Sounds good to me Sharina. heh, this is almost a CIVIII Conquest scenario :p

Hmmmm. No Ottoman player yet (@#!%$!!). Given the fact that the Balkans were starting to explode in 1910 (with the First and Second Balkan Wars in 1912-1913), me and Slavic Byzantium are in something of a pickle regarding how that's going to play out. We don't want to godmod the war there, but...

Ideas? Could we have a mod step in and take the Turks? Or do you trust is to keep it historically sound?

ooc. I could RP as the Ottoman Empire (as a sort of thank you for you RPing Siam :D ) if you want that.

May I have Romania, please?

ooc. I could RP as the Ottoman Empire (as a sort of thank you for you RPing Siam :D ) if you want that.Then I will post the opening threads of the Balkan Wars tonight. Time frame is 1911-1913.

Probable sides will be Serbia, Montenegro, Bulgaria, and Greece against Turkey, and then (possibly) Serbia, Montenegro, and Greece against Bulgaria. However, this should not be taken as an assertion that war (either the First or Second Balkan Wars, or the Italo-Turkish war, will take place. Indeed, nobody really wants this war, and so our hope is that a fair and equitable negotiated settlement can be reached (remember, the Dual Monarchy wants peace!).

You'll have your Siam RP tonight as well (actually, that takes priority over the Balkan mess).

Ssshh. You weren't supposed to notice.

Hehhe, one of the most famous photographs in the world.

I'll look up some stuff about the Ottoman Empire now. Thanks again for your offer to RP Siam.

ps. I will RP the Ottoman Empire as it did RL, maybe a few things different, but mostly the same.

May I have Romania, please?

You'll be Romania. Don't forget to make your factbook and post it in the Factbook thread!

The Dual Monarchy wanted peace but also to prevent at any costs a unified Serbian nation. There's a reason why B and H was annexed by the Dual Monarchy.

There is also Macedonia we need to look into as if I'm not mistaken they were the ones that declared war on the Ottomons...or am I thinking of Montenegro?

I have a problem...I am finding zero info on Serbian military strength as of 1910. Only some references such as in 1914 the Serb army needed 125 000 rifles just to complete outfitting the regulars and had only 25 000 reservists on the border with the Dual Monarchy at the time which is why Serbia so readily bowed to all but one of DM's demands after the death of Ferdinand.

this sounds like fun

The Dual Monarchy wanted peace but also to prevent at any costs a unified Serbian nation. There's a reason why B and H was annexed by the Dual Monarchy.Yup.There is also Macedonia we need to look into as if I'm not mistaken they were the ones that declared war on the Ottomons...or am I thinking of Montenegro?Montenegro, which I think ought to be treated as a Serbian puppet.I have a problem...I am finding zero info on Serbian military strength as of 1910. Only some references such as in 1914 the Serb army needed 125 000 rifles just to complete outfitting the regulars and had only 25 000 reservists on the border with the Dual Monarchy at the time which is why Serbia so readily bowed to all but one of DM's demands after the death of Ferdinand.I can find some stuff on the Serbian Army in the First and Second Balkan Wars. Don't worry about the Great War. All you have to do is agree to all but one of those demands. ;)

I want to be clear---while we are using extensive and ejoyable amounts of reality--we are not actually RPing a re-enactmeant right?
I will do it--but blech!! We have some degree latitude I am hoping--because I noticed some picking about open political philosophies as if the chance for benefit has ever not out weighed the ideology in politics--it is as the saying goes "politics makes strange bed fellows". I assume we like our real life counter parts get to choose who we are screwing.

And Warta, thank you for RPing Ottoman.

The whole purpose of this RP project is for everybody to take their controlled RL nations into different directions as they are right now. For example, my China has a new ruler and is starting industrializing similiar to the USSR in 1920's and Nazi Germany in the 1930's.

Other examples would be Teddy Roosevelt being President for a 3rd term, Germany signing an alliance (I think?) with France, Russia allying with China, etc.

All those didn't happen in RL, but *could* have happened if things were slightly different, especially new rulers or deciding the opposite thing in split-decisions than what was done in RL.

For the Four way conference perhaps one person, ie the host America, posting the summit would be best. However perhaps to decide what we want maybe a four way MSN conversation at a time suitable to all parties?

I want to be clear---while we are using extensive and ejoyable amounts of reality--we are not actually RPing a re-enactmeant right?
I will do it--but blech!! We have some degree latitude I am hoping--because I noticed some picking about open political philosophies as if the chance for benefit has ever not out weighed the ideology in politics--it is as the saying goes "politics makes strange bed fellows". I assume we like our real life counter parts get to choose who we are screwing.

And Warta, thank you for RPing Ottoman.You are as free as you wish to break with the past as quickly as possible - or not. 1910 was not anything special, just the year that followed 1909 <S>. Consequently, my choice is to slowly pull away from history-as-we-know-it into unknown realms.

For most nations, the shift can be abrupt. China, for instance, did have a change in government around 1910 - mind you, though, it was not in the form of the creation of a new dynasty, but rather in the form of the establishment of a modern republic under Dr. Sun Yat-sen. But who am I to argue?

In my case, coming in right in the middle of an emergent crisis in the Balkans, I prefer not to ignore or godmod the crisis, but to RP out the last half of it (from 1910-1913). So don't take my historical fetishism as an indication that I feel you need to don a straitjacket!The whole purpose of this RP project is for everybody to take their controlled RL nations into different directions as they are right now. For example, my China has a new ruler and is starting industrializing similiar to the USSR in 1920's and Nazi Germany in the 1930's.

Other examples would be Teddy Roosevelt being President for a 3rd term, Germany signing an alliance (I think?) with France, Russia allying with China, etc.

All those didn't happen in RL, but *could* have happened if things were slightly different, especially new rulers or deciding the opposite thing in split-decisions than what was done in RL.Right. Mine is to prevent the Great War and then follow the Dual Monarchy through a few decades of reform to emerge as a multi-ethnic constitutional monarchy by mid-century. I will have to deal with ethnic violence, socialist revolutionaries, Nazis (Hitler was Austrian, remember), and the stresses of rapid economic development, all while avoiding war. And you think you have a challenge!

For the Four way conference perhaps one person, ie the host America, posting the summit would be best. However perhaps to decide what we want maybe a four way MSN conversation at a time suitable to all parties?

I don't have MSN, unfortunately. I never could get it to work on my computer, as it won't recongize any Internet Explorer connections or any Microsoft internet services. I think that's because when I installed AOL on my computer, it overrided all Internet Explorer and Microsoft stuff.

Thus, I'm stuck with AOL, both E-mail and AIM.

Right. Mine is to prevent the Great War and then follow the Dual Monarchy through a few decades of reform to emerge as a multi-ethnic constitutional monarchy by mid-century. I will have to deal with ethnic violence, socialist revolutionaries, Nazis (Hitler was Austrian, remember), and the stresses of rapid economic development, all while avoiding war. And you think you have a challenge!

Challenges can be fun, because without them, life would be quite dull and boring. :)

I look forward to seeing how you'll handle Hitler and keeping Austria seperate from Germany in the next few decades.

I look forward to seeing how you'll handle Hitler and keeping Austria seperate from Germany in the next few decades.

Hehehehe, conquering Germany :p

It could indeed be interesting how everybody handles their nation. For Japan I'm planning ten, twenty years of (maybe) agrresive expansion, after that a sort of consilidation of my new territories and then.,.who knows?

For the Four way conference perhaps one person, ie the host America, posting the summit would be best. However perhaps to decide what we want maybe a four way MSN conversation at a time suitable to all parties?
I like where your going with this, we all talk about it in a 4 way chat then someone writes it in a scene after we all arive at conclusions. Only, I dont have msn I have aim so if we could figure something out on AIM then it would work

About the jet engine:

It is clearly in the rules that Jet Engines can't be used in 1910/1920 or something. Your plane is indeed a jet engine, it is invented (RL) in 1910 but it isn't useable as the wiki thing said. It took off once bu surprise and it crashed. Doesn't soudn useable to me!

What do the other mods (including tech/history advisor Norodna Odbrana) think?

About Economics and Investment:


To keep things simple, while still maintaining an effective policy for economics within all nations, I suggest we adpot a modified NS economic system where NS economic categories (Imploded-Frightening) are used and they dictate how much a nation can produce, along with what type of technology they are capable of producing. For example:

Imploded-Weak:

Considered as Third-World nations lacking most forms of infastructure and industry. The Majority of society lives in a rual, undeveloped countryside, where sickness and famine are quite commonplace and the sole source of income is based on a certain cash-crop of the area. In the city, conditions are slightly better in some areas, however the majority of citizens are crowded in small tenaments and shacks. Factories are occasionally present, however they are usually out-dated, inefficent and mostly incapable of producing useful materials, making the production of anything besides the most basic of goods nearly impossible.

Thus, Military forces for these kinds of nations tend to be mostly comprised of random militias equipped with outdated weaponry and lacking in any sort of Technology, such as Armored Cars, Tanks ect.

Nations falling under this category: Parts of Western China (Tibet, Sikiang), Afganistan, Hati, Mongolia, Saudi Arabia, most areas of Africa ect.

Struggling-Reasonable:

Nations under this category are still rather impoverished and lack large amounts of infastructure. However, a move from Industry from a mostly Agricultural society is taking place and more and more citizens are moving into cities for work in factories. Industry, although still rather small and inefficent, is growing at a slow pace and manufactured goods of decent quality are capable of being produced. Yet, the money for true technological research is still unavalible and the nation must still rely on others for the majority of its manufactured goods and technology.

Military forces of these nations tend to be small to medium sized Concript armies, mostly untrained and equipped with obsoloete weaponry. However, a viable Chain-of-Command is in place and Armies of this sort are able to field a limited amount of Armored vehicles and Artillery.

Nations under this category: Most of Central/South America, Mexico, Most of Carribean, Siam, Persia ect.

Good-Strong:

Under this category are nations in the midst of an Industrial revolution, with thousands crowding into cities everyday. Industry and Factories make up a big part of the nation's economy, producing various goods at a reasonable pace. A semi-established form of infastructure, mostly made of poorly made roads and bridges, crisscrosses most of the nation. Although the gap between rich and poor is still very wide, a small but growing middle-class is developing and thirsting for new and better goods. In the realm of technology, limited research is conducted, however the amount of money required to funds big projects is non-exsistant and breakthroughs take many years to find and many more years to implement.

Within the ranks of the military exsists a semi-disiplined, mostly conscript force with a well-established officer corps. Nations of this sort do have the funding to field Modern weaponry, yet they must purcahse it from Foriegn Powers. Artillery and Armored Vehicles are becoming more and more commonplace but a large majority of the Army is comprised of Infantry.

Nations in this example: Netherlands, Denmark, Eastern China, South Africa, Sothern Italy, Greece, Rumania, Serbia and Bulgaria

Very Strong-Powerhouse:

These nations boast a Powerful, well-established Industrial base capable of producing most Modern Products at an amazing rate. The Majority of citizens now live within huge Industrial cities and a well-developed and prominent Middle-Class makes up the majority of society and with it come new ideas about all aspects of society. Hundreds of research labs are scattered across the nation and breakthroughs in science are becoming more and more commonplace and are integrated into society in as little as several months to several years.

Militaries in this category can be either made of Trained Concripts or Well-Trained, Well-Disiplined Standing Armies. Equipment is Mostly Modern and large amounts of Artillery and Armored Vehicles are capable of being fielded. Also, small to medium sized airforces with mostly 1st Generation aircraft may be fielded. At sea, Navies of this sort are brimming with the latest in Battleship and Submarine technology with a sizeable force of Armored Destroyers and Cruiser to reinforce it.

Nations under this example: United States, Germany, France, Britian, Japan, Belgium, Northern Italy, Austria-Hungary, Russia, Canada, Ottoman Empire, Sweden, Norway ect.


All-Consuming-Frightening:

Industry has become more and more specialized, allowing the production of basic computers, plastics, synthezied rubber and oil and a mountain of other advanced products. A highly advanced infastructure of Super Highways guides thousands of people each day and the precense of larger Airports has become more commonplace. Technological breakthroughs are commonplace and are rapidly integrated into society, with such things as Jet/Rocket Engines, Nuclear Fuel/Weaponry, and Missiles becoming possible and feasible to research and produce.

Military forces are well motivated, very-well trained Standing Armies capable of producing Medium-Heavy Tanks, Post-Modern Small Arms such as Semi-Automatic Rifles or Assault Rifles and Self-Propelled and even Rocket Artillery. In the skies, 2nd and 3rd Generation Prop-planes rule the skies in massive armadas and Jet aircraft are being introduced. On the water, Aircraft Carriers and Super-Battleships project power across the seas.

Nations in this example: Wont be reached by most nations until mid-30s to 40s. Can extend all the way until the 1970s.

After this, Im not really sure how Economics in the Information Age will be handled. Of course, we may not even get to that point but I do believe that if we do, another category will need to be created.

Of course, in this model their are alot of variables and the categorization of nations and how they will be adressed but until we formulate those specifics, I believe this will do.

Any questions or suggestions would be very helpful.

About Economics and Investment:


To keep things simple, while still maintaining an effective policy for economics within all nations, I suggest we adpot a modified NS economic system where NS economic categories (Imploded-Frightening) are used and they dictate how much a nation can produce, along with what type of technology they are capable of producing. For example:

Imploded-Weak:

Considered as Third-World nations lacking most forms of infastructure and industry. The Majority of society lives in a rual, undeveloped countryside, where sickness and famine are quite commonplace and the sole source of income is based on a certain cash-crop of the area. In the city, conditions are slightly better in some areas, however the majority of citizens are crowded in small tenaments and shacks. Factories are occasionally present, however they are usually out-dated, inefficent and mostly incapable of producing useful materials, making the production of anything besides the most basic of goods nearly impossible.

Thus, Military forces for these kinds of nations tend to be mostly comprised of random militias equipped with outdated weaponry and lacking in any sort of Technology, such as Armored Cars, Tanks ect.

Nations falling under this category: Parts of Western China (Tibet, Sikiang), Afganistan, Hati, Mongolia, Saudi Arabia, most areas of Africa ect.

Struggling-Reasonable:

Nations under this category are still rather impoverished and lack large amounts of infastructure. However, a move from Industry from a mostly Agricultural society is taking place and more and more citizens are moving into cities for work in factories. Industry, although still rather small and inefficent, is growing at a slow pace and manufactured goods of decent quality are capable of being produced. Yet, the money for true technological research is still unavalible and the nation must still rely on others for the majority of its manufactured goods and technology.

Military forces of these nations tend to be small to medium sized Concript armies, mostly untrained and equipped with obsoloete weaponry. However, a viable Chain-of-Command is in place and Armies of this sort are able to field a limited amount of Armored vehicles and Artillery.

Nations under this category: Most of Central/South America, Mexico, Most of Carribean, Siam, Persia ect.

Good-Strong:

Under this category are nations in the midst of an Industrial revolution, with thousands crowding into cities everyday. Industry and Factories make up a big part of the nation's economy, producing various goods at a reasonable pace. A semi-established form of infastructure, mostly made of poorly made roads and bridges, crisscrosses most of the nation. Although the gap between rich and poor is still very wide, a small but growing middle-class is developing and thirsting for new and better goods. In the realm of technology, limited research is conducted, however the amount of money required to funds big projects is non-exsistant and breakthroughs take many years to find and many more years to implement.

Within the ranks of the military exsists a semi-disiplined, mostly conscript force with a well-established officer corps. Nations of this sort do have the funding to field Modern weaponry, yet they must purcahse it from Foriegn Powers. Artillery and Armored Vehicles are becoming more and more commonplace but a large majority of the Army is comprised of Infantry.

Nations in this example: Netherlands, Denmark, Eastern China, South Africa, Sothern Italy, Greece, Rumania, Serbia and Bulgaria

Very Strong-Powerhouse:

These nations boast a Powerful, well-established Industrial base capable of producing most Modern Products at an amazing rate. The Majority of citizens now live within huge Industrial cities and a well-developed and prominent Middle-Class makes up the majority of society and with it come new ideas about all aspects of society. Hundreds of research labs are scattered across the nation and breakthroughs in science are becoming more and more commonplace and are integrated into society in as little as several months to several years.

Militaries in this category can be either made of Trained Concripts or Well-Trained, Well-Disiplined Standing Armies. Equipment is Mostly Modern and large amounts of Artillery and Armored Vehicles are capable of being fielded. Also, small to medium sized airforces with mostly 1st Generation aircraft may be fielded. At sea, Navies of this sort are brimming with the latest in Battleship and Submarine technology with a sizeable force of Armored Destroyers and Cruiser to reinforce it.

Nations under this example: United States, Germany, France, Britian, Japan, Belgium, Northern Italy, Austria-Hungary, Russia, Canada, Ottoman Empire, Sweden, Norway ect.


All-Consuming-Frightening:

Industry has become more and more specialized, allowing the production of basic computers, plastics, synthezied rubber and oil and a mountain of other advanced products. A highly advanced infastructure of Super Highways guides thousands of people each day and the precense of larger Airports has become more commonplace. Technological breakthroughs are commonplace and are rapidly integrated into society, with such things as Jet/Rocket Engines, Nuclear Fuel/Weaponry, and Missiles becoming possible and feasible to research and produce.

Military forces are well motivated, very-well trained Standing Armies capable of producing Medium-Heavy Tanks, Post-Modern Small Arms such as Semi-Automatic Rifles or Assault Rifles and Self-Propelled and even Rocket Artillery. In the skies, 2nd and 3rd Generation Prop-planes rule the skies in massive armadas and Jet aircraft are being introduced. On the water, Aircraft Carriers and Super-Battleships project power across the seas.

Nations in this example: Wont be reached by most nations until mid-30s to 40s. Can extend all the way until the 1970s.

After this, Im not really sure how Economics in the Information Age will be handled. Of course, we may not even get to that point but I do believe that if we do, another category will need to be created.

Of course, in this model their are alot of variables and the categorization of nations and how they will be adressed but until we formulate those specifics, I believe this will do.

Any questions or suggestions would be very helpful.

You are one smart son of a bitch lol. I only have one suggestion. For very strong or powerhouse, There are too wide of gaps between lets say countries economies like the United States, Germanys, Englands etc... to countries like Sweeden, Norway, Austria Hungary, Ottoman Empire. I like everything else though, brilliant for coming up with the idea.

About the jet engine:

It is clearly in the rules that Jet Engines can't be used in 1910/1920 or something. Your plane is indeed a jet engine, it is invented (RL) in 1910 but it isn't useable as the wiki thing said. It took off once bu surprise and it crashed. Doesn't soudn useable to me!

What do the other mods (including tech/history advisor Norodna Odbrana) think?It think that Romania could certainly work on jet engines if he wanted, and maybe have them sooner than anyone else. I also think that it's a little ridiculous to mount a jet engine on a wood and wire frame covered with doped cloth - and then try to take the thing up into the air from a grassy field with a sled undercarriage or even hard rubber wheels beneath. ;)

I'll have to look into when the use of sheet metal in aircraft construction became popular; that - at a minimum - represents the first point at which jets would become feasible. Then you'd have to invest significant amounts of money in macadam runways (while I, in turn, will invent money in cratering ordnance...)

Beyond that, if you don't have self-sealing fuel tanks ... <shudder>. Plus it would likely be a while before the jet was equal to the in-line or radial combustion engine in terms of performance. Oh, and if you do build the thing with wood and cloth, I sure hope you don't set your own airframe on fire.

Certainly Roumania can have this sooner than anybody else. But not in time for its next war (which, given its current level of bluster, may come sooner than they think...).

But I'm open to innovation, so I'll do more research.

It is a very good idea, but also difficult. Economies change and how do we proces that? For example a stock market crash like 1929?

Thanks for the compliment :)

Anyways, in the Very Strong-Powerhouse section there are three different categories in which the nations I picked out as examples could be placed. For example, Germany, Great Britian and the United States would probably be considered as Powerhouses, while France, Japan and Belgium would be considered as Thriving and Austria-Hungary, Ottoman Empire, Norway and Sweden could be classified as Very Strong.

Of course, what I outlined above was very general, so as not to make things too complicated to understand. However, if this method is given the go-ahead, Im sure more specific information could be provided.

You are one smart son of a bitch lol. I only have one suggestion. For very strong or powerhouse, There are too wide of gaps between lets say countries economies like the United States, Germanys, Englands etc... to countries like Sweeden, Norway, Austria Hungary, Ottoman Empire. I like everything else though, brilliant for coming up with the idea.Hey, don't sell me short!

The Dual Monarchy had the second highest growth rate in Europe in 1910 (1.54% per annum, better than that of Britain or France - in fact, only Germany, Japan, and the U.S. had higher growth rates!). And - to give you an idea of where we might have been had we survived - look at Austria, Czechoslovakia, and Northern Yugoslavia (the industrial end) in the interwar years. Only Hungary and Bosnia were still relatively rural at this time, and even by the 1940's that was changing.

OOC; AIM sounds good, ill get it sorted out on my pc tomorrow if sum1 can post a download link for me

True, I was just speaking generally I know that Austria Hungary was booming at an amazing rate. I was just stating that there was still a difference between powerhouses like America, Germany and England, then those other (still very well economicly off ;) countries. Lol sorry for offending your nation.

Thanks for the compliment :)

Anyways, in the Very Strong-Powerhouse section there are three different categories in which the nations I picked out as examples could be placed. For example, Germany, Great Britian and the United States would probably be considered as Powerhouses, while France, Japan and Belgium would be considered as Thriving and Austria-Hungary, Ottoman Empire, Norway and Sweden could be classified as Very Strong.

Of course, what I outlined above was very general, so as not to make things too complicated to understand. However, if this method is given the go-ahead, Im sure more specific information could be provided.
Perfect, once again brilliant.

It is a very good idea, but also difficult. Economies change and how do we proces that? For example a stock market crash like 1929?


Well in the case of an Economic Deppression or other Economic change, the Economic positions of those nations effected would either go up or down, allowing to produce less or more.

For example, if Austria-Hungary and Ottoman Empire declare war against each other and end up fighting a WWI style stalemate conflict, their economic ratings would lower as the war went on, because of various things such as Inflation, lack of Foriegn Investment and enormus debts created by buying weaponry, until eventually their rating got so low that Civil Uprisings occured or an agreement was reached.

With an Economic Depression, a similar situation would occur. Inflation would rise, consumer confidence would fall, banks would close, thus lowering your economic rating until finally the markets leveled out and people started making money again.

For Economic Reform, if the right policies were put into place and a stable government was running things (its hard to put in economic reforms when the countryside is rebeling), eventually productivity will go up and their ability to produce products and develop newer technologies would also grow, thus raising their economic rating after a time. For nations in Africa or Tibet, reaching economic prosperity will obviously take as long as 2 or 3 decades to achieve, as the area has little to no Economic base to push off of.

Oh I wanted to add that the Maxim Machine gun was in use bythe Germans before 1900-so by 1910 they would have been using the Machinegun close to twenty years.
The English had originally turned the weapon down--though Maxim had presented to them first.

I wasnt sure if anyone had pointed this out.

It think that Romania could certainly work on jet engines if he wanted, and maybe have them sooner than anyone else. I also think that it's a little ridiculous to mount a jet engine on a wood and wire frame covered with doped cloth - and then try to take the thing up into the air from a grassy field with a sled undercarriage or even hard rubber wheels beneath. ;)

I'll have to look into when the use of sheet metal in aircraft construction became popular; that - at a minimum - represents the first point at which jets would become feasible. Then you'd have to invest significant amounts of money in macadam runways (while I, in turn, will invent money in cratering ordnance...)

Beyond that, if you don't have self-sealing fuel tanks ... <shudder>. Plus it would likely be a while before the jet was equal to the in-line or radial combustion engine in terms of performance. Oh, and if you do build the thing with wood and cloth, I sure hope you don't set your own airframe on fire.

Certainly Roumania can have this sooner than anybody else. But not in time for its next war (which, given its current level of bluster, may come sooner than they think...).

But I'm open to innovation, so I'll do more research.

You know, I wasn't planing on using my state of the art, all-powerfull and oh-so-numerous airfleet of jet airplanes to smash my opponents in the Balcanic Wars. :p I don't even plan to take active part in the first one, since I have no common borders with Turkey.

I must confess I wanted to use them in WWI, but I don't think they would have made such a big difference anyway. Airplanes were used mainly for reconaissance and you can see as well from a "normal" airplane as you can from a jet airplane. :) So, if you say no, I'll obey. :( But I do intend to have a workable jet airplane by 1930, and the investments - in research, at least, but also in infrastructure - shouldn't be too expensive. Romania produced it's own airplanes in the real history, too. The only difference would be that now they would have jet engines.

P.S. Regarding the "level of bluster". You are dreaming if you think I'll give you reasons to declare war. Romanians were never into the assasination business, so you''ll have to try your luck with the Serbs. ;)

I'll follow Narodna Odbrana in this matter. Good luck with the development ;)

But I do intend to have a workable jet airplane by 1930...If you want a workable jet by 1930, be prepared to RP out the whole R&D process - with successes, failures & setbacks, threatened project cancellations, etc. And make sure that you cover all the various technical issues (airframe strength, flame abation, vibration, mitigation of the problems with the first engines [involving fluid dynamics and called, I believe, the "Coanda Effect"], etc.). If you're going to try to overwhelm the rest of the world with advanced technology, you should be prepared to tell us an entertaining story before we die.

OOC: I just remebered that the Russo-Japanese-Chinese negotiation is held in Petrograd, not Tokyo.Renamed it already, have you? ;)

Renamed it already, have you? ;)
OOC: Are you talking about the glorious city of Leningrad which will bear our leaders name forever? ;)
I couldn't remember when they renamed from St Petersburg to Petrograd but I knew it was earlier than 1912.

If you want a workable jet by 1930, be prepared to RP out the whole R&D process - with successes, failures & setbacks, threatened project cancellations, etc. And make sure that you cover all the various technical issues (airframe strength, flame abation, vibration, mitigation of the problems with the first engines [involving fluid dynamics and called, I believe, the "Coanda Effect"], etc.). If you're going to try to overwhelm the rest of the world with advanced technology, you should be prepared to tell us an entertaining story before we die.

Oh my! :eek: Maybe I should just fire that guy. :)

I would like to sign up for the Balkan Wars Campaign, I would like to be the Ottoman Turks please

Oh my! :eek: Maybe I should just fire that guy. :)Actually, I did a little more research, and it looks like it took him 20 years to figure out why the airstream from his engine behaved the way it did. So maybe you can build jets in the mid-to-late-30's, 5-10 years ahead of everybody else.

His plane also wasn't a jet in the modern sense; it was more like a turbofan... Still, it was potentially a powerful engine, although stresses on control surfaces would be a problem (he reinforced the leading edges with steel, but that wouldn't likely have been enough).

Intesting idea. Go with it - just be realistic.

Actually, I did a little more research, and it looks like it took him 20 years to figure out why the airstream from his engine behaved the way it did. So maybe you can build jets in the mid-to-late-30's, 5-10 years ahead of everybody else.

His plane also wasn't a jet in the modern sense; it was more like a turbofan... Still, it was potentially a powerful engine, although stresses on control surfaces would be a problem (he reinforced the leading edges with steel, but that wouldn't likely have been enough).

Intesting idea. Go with it - just be realistic.

I believe that the Nazi Germans and Hitler had jet engines built by 1943 or 1944, so I think a "10-ear-early" by Romania should prove interesting in this Earth.

After all, in alternate histories, nations could easily have different budget allocatements. For example, in an alternate universe / reality, the USA can abolish Social Security and use that money for NASA or its education system thereby creating much more advanced NASA stuff or have much smarter kids by 2000 or 2010 than in our RL.

I believe that the Nazi Germans and Hitler had jet engines built by 1943 or 1944, so I think a "10-ear-early" by Romania should prove interesting in this Earth.

After all, in alternate histories, nations could easily have different budget allocatements. For example, in an alternate universe / reality, the USA can abolish Social Security and use that money for NASA or its education system thereby creating much more advanced NASA stuff or have much smarter kids by 2000 or 2010 than in our RL.That, or not waste money on weapons it never deployed, like ABM's... ;)

As I move forward, I'm beginning to realize that my wrinkle is going to be that the k.u.k will end up embracing the philosophies of the Vienna School of Economics, meaning that we will ultimately strive to become a laissez-faire capitalist utopia(!).

How much of the rest of libertarianism will end up guiding our regime, I can't (yet) say...

Now, if you'll excuse me, I have some Red-baiting to do. ;)

Have we got any progress on the Four way conference yet?

Apologies for my lack of activity these past few days, been a little busier than I thought I would be!

IC post coming up.

My msn for anybody that is interested is phantom_squirrel_killer@hotmail.com

Dont ask, I have no idea why i chose that. :D

My AIM screen name is Obrian9819. Russia, England, and China, IM me on aim and we will talk and I will set up a chatroom

My AIM screen name is Obrian9819. Russia, England, and China, IM me on aim and we will talk and I will set up a chatroom

You have my AIM screen name. We chatted over AIM a few days ago when you asked for help on how to RP in this Earth project. :)

Cool! You know Frank Zappa as well?ROTFLMAO, yeah, me and Frank go waaaaaayyy back... ;)And, on that note, does anyone want to go in with me on building Tesla's "World System" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnifying_Transmitter) (using the Earth itself to transmit electrical power)? It'll only cost us a few million dollars (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wardenclyffe_Tower)... :D

At the very least, maybe Japan and the Dual Monarchy could duplicate his Telefunken (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telefunken) work.

"It looks just like a Telefunken U37 (http://www.telefunkenusa.com/products/show_product.php?item=7&cat=mics)"BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Narodna Odbrana, any reply to my comminque back to Dual Monarchy? I believe you sent me one about diplomacy and having talks with my Chinese Emperor?

Narodna Odbrana, any reply to my comminque back to Dual Monarchy? I believe you sent me one about diplomacy and having talks with my Chinese Emperor?Nothing major. I was actually just giving you back our concession (and the k.u.k fortress) at Tianjin. This eliminates a potential point of conflict for me in the Far East, and I figure that as long as I have normal trade relations, investment rights, travel, immigration/emigration, and extradition/extraterritoriality rights equivalent to what I have now, say, in France, Italy, Spain, Germany, or wherever, then that's all I need.

Essentially, the Dual Monarchy is adopting the same "free trade" or "Open Door" policy toward China as America displays. This isn't anything major.

BTW, did you know that the Dual Monarchy built warships for China? We don't have many slips, but there's at least one ship in the 1914 Naval Order of Battle that was taken by the Austrian Navy for use in the k.u.k Kriegsmarine. I can start building warships for you (armoured cruisers or even - if I expand my yards - battleships), one every couple of years. The light cannon on these ships turned out to be extraordinarily good AAA (flak) weapons.

Another possibility is for us to sell you rifles - or even begin manufacturing them in China under license (my preference - of course, we'll want a share of profits). Our main infantry arm was the Steyr-Mannlicher M1895 8mm x 50mm magazine rifle (actually, it used a stripper block just like the M1 Garand). It was once of the principal weapons used by Yugoslav partisans in WW II. Steyr also made a machine pistol whose stats I am still looking up.

From what I can tell, the Dual Monarchy had the capacity to be a major world manufacturer of small arms, and I intend to play that role.

My goal is to remain at peace as much as possible. The so-called Vienna School of Economics (under Ludwig von Mises and others) gave birth to the modern libertarian movement, and so my eventual political evolution will be toward laissez-faire. I don't know what your preferred economic model is, but if you're heading in the same direction (and I'm swimming against the waters - most nations followed the prestigious London School's economic prescriptions [the Webbs and later John Maynard Keynes] and adopted either "mixed" models or outright socialism), I'd be happy to provide economic advisers and later educate your economists in Vienna (the Vienna School of Business is still one of the biggest schools of business in the world).

Go ahead and RP a meeting with my ambassadors, at which they offer to hand you back the k.u.k concession at Tianjin and normalise trade ties, legal relations, etc., on the basis of granting you (and receiving from you) a reciprocal deal on a "most favoured nation" (MFN) basis (which means if you can find a sweeter deal that we've made with any other nation, you can have it). In fact, maybe you should ask for the same package of laws and agreements we have with the U.S. (which I've found and which were very extensive - do you know that almost 8% of the population of the Dual Monarchy emigrated to America in the closing quarter of the 18th Century?). After this is done, I'll RP taking down our flag, boarding our armoured cruiser (the one permanently stationed at Tianjin), and sailing off.

And with that, the Dual Monarchy will have no more colonies.

I believe that the Nazi Germans and Hitler had jet engines built by 1943 or 1944, so I think a "10-ear-early" by Romania should prove interesting in this Earth.

After all, in alternate histories, nations could easily have different budget allocatements. For example, in an alternate universe / reality, the USA can abolish Social Security and use that money for NASA or its education system thereby creating much more advanced NASA stuff or have much smarter kids by 2000 or 2010 than in our RL.


Actually, the Nazi regime had a workable Jet Propelled Prototype from the Hienkiel Aircraft company (He168 I believe) by 1939. As a matter of fact, its first test flight was on the same week that the Blitzkrieg of Poland began.

Thus, I would think that if a nation with a significant Industrial backbone (Very Strong at least) and plenty of funding would be able to develop a Jet prototype by the mid 1930s. However, full scale production of these aircraft would probably not occur for years, due to the immense costs of this new technology and Engineers would still have to improve the design to remove any possible flaws.

Oh, and Warta Endor (or is that WE? <GGG>), while we're on the subject of Zappa, Tesla, and other such strangeness, take a look at this: Allemande (Re)Invents 'Peace Ray' (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=434811).

Enjoy. Sometimes, you just gotta have fun.

Actually, the Nazi regime had a workable Jet Propelled Prototype from the Hienkiel Aircraft company (He168 I believe) by 1939. As a matter of fact, its first test flight was on the same week that the Blitzkrieg of Poland began.

Thus, I would think that if a nation with a significant Industrial backbone (Very Strong at least) and plenty of funding would be able to develop a Jet prototype by the mid 1930s. However, full scale production of these aircraft would probably not occur for years, due to the immense costs of this new technology and Engineers would still have to improve the design to remove any possible flaws.
Why would it cost so much to build jet airplanes, as compared to the old type of airplanes? Btw, Romania had its own airplane factory in RL, so the necessary infrastructure existed anyway. And it took so long for a jet airplane to be developed because of the reduced interest for the armed forces, in general and the aviation, in particular, that existed in all the major nations untill the early '30s (when Hitler came to power). During the 1920s there were treaties to reduce the amount of weapons Britain and France had (the Briand-Kellog treaty of 1927, if my memory serves me well) and military research couldn't have fared very well under such circumstances.

EDIT: I have serched the web a little and I have a few corrections to make about the Briand-kellog pact: it was signed in 1928 (I was quite close, anyway) and it was initiated by the foreign ministers of France, Germany and the USA, with the purpose of "outlawing war". It was concluded outside the League of Nations, so, technically speaking, it's still law for the nations that ratified it.

Jet Engines, just like any other new form of technology, will be at first very expensive because of the highly specialized parts required to create a jet engine, along with its Higher Octane fuel, or Rocket Fuel, depending on what your final product is. Also, you also must take into account, the salaries of Scientists, Engineers, Technicians and other specialized personell required for the design and production of a Jet Engine.

Furthermore, you cant simply slap on a Jet engine to any aircraft of our current era (1900s-1920s) and expect it to work. Your going to have to design a competely new airframe design with stronger, lighter materials just to withstand the higher speeds and greater forces applied by a jet engine, thus increasing the total cost. Being that it wasn't really until the 30's that metals like Aluminum became popular in the aircraft industry and cheaper to produce, it would be very expensive to produce any sizeable amount of these aircraft.

Im not saying that its not possible for certain nations to begin developing Jet Technology, however its going to take several years and a large amount of money just to produce a workable prototype, not to mention full-scale production. So go ahead and try, no ones stopping you. However, you may have to put other projects on hold just to afford it.

Jet Engines, just like any other new form of technology, will be at first very expensive because of the highly specialized parts required to create a jet engine, along with its Higher Octane fuel, or Rocket Fuel, depending on what your final product is. Also, you also must take into account, the salaries of Scientists, Engineers, Technicians and other specialized personell required for the design and production of a Jet Engine.

Furthermore, you cant simply slap on a Jet engine to any aircraft of our current era (1900s-1920s) and expect it to work. Your going to have to design a competely new airframe design with stronger, lighter materials just to withstand the higher speeds and greater forces applied by a jet engine, thus increasing the total cost. Being that it wasn't really until the 30's that metals like Aluminum became popular in the aircraft industry and cheaper to produce, it would be very expensive to produce any sizeable amount of these aircraft.

Im not saying that its not possible for certain nations to begin developing Jet Technology, however its going to take several years and a large amount of money just to produce a workable prototype, not to mention full-scale production. So go ahead and try, no ones stopping you. However, you may have to put other projects on hold just to afford it.
Hey, look, Romania has an experience of 400 years in building different types of aircraft! :p Such a little thing as a jet engine shouldn't take more than a couple of months to develop. :D

Romania has a old and proud aviation history, being one of the few countries in the world to imagine, build and fly various types of aircraft. This history of aviation in Romania began very early in 1529, with the work of Conrad Haas, an artillery engineer and chief of arsenal of the town of Sibiu. Haas, a complex personality of the Renaissance, is nevertheless the father of the multi-stage rocket. He wrote about the construction of multistage rockets and tested many models in flight. Apparently these are the earliest existent writings about the science of rocket engineering in Europe. (http://www.outsourceromania.com/aviation.htm)

The rest of the information is accurate, if you ignore the exalted tone and remember the Wright brothers were the first to fly a heavier-than-air airplane (if you'll read the article, you'll see what I mean ;) ).

hello people, i would just like to say that i cant keep up with this RP. seing as i havn't made one IC post out of 17 pages and don't know whats happening right now. i'm going to either drop out and leave Spain open or see what you guys want me to do OOC.

these guys do move at nice little clip...

hello people, i would just like to say that i cant keep up with this RP. seing as i havn't made one IC post out of 17 pages and don't know whats happening right now. i'm going to either drop out and leave Spain open or see what you guys want me to do OOC.Hang in there. We're running 2 years each week, and right now it's mostly political and diplomatic posturing.

Maybe someone should write a news review each week and post it on an "Almanac" thread?

this is why I suggested fluid time--now while years pass for you I must wait for the Ottoman to make an initial post.

As well 'fluid time' would solve the problem our current spain is having.

this is why I suggested fluid time--now while years pass for you I must wait for the Ottoman to make an initial post.

As well 'fluid time' would solve the problem our current spain is having.Nah, I'm waiting on him, too (remember the Balkan Wars?).

<Posting as my alter ego>

Nah, I'm waiting on him, too (remember the Balkan Wars?).

<Posting as my alter ego>
I'm waiting, too. Looks like I'm the only Balkan country around here (Romania).
If nobody appears, maybe I'll take over the entire peninsula! (evil grin) :D

I'm waiting, too. Looks like I'm the only Balkan country around here (Romania).
If nobody appears, maybe I'll take over the entire peninsula! (evil grin) :D

Watch out for the K.U.K, they have a considerable stake in the peninsula as well.

Page 18 is not a good one for world monarchs!!

3 deaths so far lol!!

I'm waiting, too. Looks like I'm the only Balkan country around here (Romania).
If nobody appears, maybe I'll take over the entire peninsula! (evil grin) :DAhem! :cool:

Hang in there. We're running 2 years each week, and right now it's mostly political and diplomatic posturing.

Maybe someone should write a news review each week and post it on an "Almanac" thread?

I like the idea of a news review, it would help very much.


Just so many of you know my planes for Spain are to get into some alliances, start building up my navy and when aircraft start geting more fighter like i'll start geting into that.

I may have said this before, but i have this little info card that says that only about 1,000 military aircraft existed in all of Europe in 1914. so there arn't very many. not sure how useful that is.

I like the idea of a news review, it would help very much.


Just so many of you know my planes for Spain are to get into some alliances, start building up my navy and when aircraft start geting more fighter like i'll start geting into that.

I may have said this before, but i have this little info card that says that only about 1,000 military aircraft existed in all of Europe in 1914. so there arn't very many. not sure how useful that is.Sounds right. I had 35 in 1914. The k.u.k Air Service gets started this week.

I'll be gone for eight to nine days.

Ok, Have a good time (I suppose you're going on holiday) What do we do if people are away? I propose that small conflicts and diplomacy etc. just continue but if a large war or world war erupts we pause everything till everybody has returned.

''Then we must make sure that nobody knows that we did it. I am going to invite you, the Kaiser and some other nobles to a grand ball. We will have a man poisoning the Kaiser's glass of wine, when he drinks it he will be fine a few days and then he will die. Noone is going to suspect that he was poisoned during a ball he attented to a week ago.''
''So be it then.'' sighed Richthofen.
I'll be gone for eight to nine days.
What a relief for the Kaiser! :p

Hehehehe, indeed. The kaiser has made a wise decision going on holiday :D

Ok, I just heared I'm away, probably till Thursday. :mad:

Ok, Have a good time (I suppose you're going on holiday) What do we do if people are away? I propose that small conflicts and diplomacy etc. just continue but if a large war or world war erupts we pause everything till everybody has returned.

I go August 4th and return August 16th. I have a player lined up to take over from me during that time if thats ok?

I go August 4th and return August 16th. I have a player lined up to take over from me during that time if thats ok?

Sounds good by me.

China will just lurk in the shadows, growing in industrialization in the meanwhile. ;)

Sounds good by me.

China will just lurk in the shadows, growing in industrialization in the meanwhile. ;)You and I can have a little non-aggressive fun. And maybe revive TLE while we're at it (I see a Class X Temporal Intervention coming...) :eek:

I will be gone for a couple of days. I'm going to my grandmother's beach house where there is no internet access. It doesn't even have a phone! :eek: So I won't be able to log-in and do Age of Imperialism or any NS stuff until Friday.

I'll see you guys on Friday. Have fun blowing up or backstab each other while my China slowly and quietly industrializes. :p

I'll be the Ottoman EMpire!

can i get in? hm who do i want......
U.S.A still free? if so im then.

Sorry, but someone has already claimed the United States. However, their are still many good nations left to claim (Holland, Belgium, Australia, South Africa, Denmark, Norway ect.)

i guessed as much but it wernt on the front post...
erm ill give it a miss.

Ok Guys I go on holiday today, and I havnt been able to find a replacement player for Great Britain for the time I'm away as my original guy pulled out due to some RL family issues.

If anybody can takeover then clear it with Warta first, but if nobody does then Britain will continue to tick over in an Isolasionist kind of war, but keeping pace with world events and technological discoveries etc as they did in RL.

Hopefully I'll be back and posting on the 16th of August, see you all then!

Before you leave I need to know, Is Papue New Gunea Americas yet?

Papua new Guinea was split, Southern half was Australian (british) and the Northern half was German.

Oh, BTW, I'm back :D

Good. Time to bury some Japanese royalty. ;)

<PAMPA>

Papua new Guinea was split, Southern half was Australian (british) and the Northern half was German.

Oh, BTW, I'm back :D
Of course I meant the English part lol

Good. Time to bury some Japanese royalty. ;)

<PAMPA>

Hehehe, It's gonna be a burny bussiness...

Mind my being Norway? Or has it been taken?

I'll be the Ottoman EMpire!
I would aprpreciate someone relatively active being Ottoman--
Sounds good to me Palixia--just make sure Warta sees your request.

I would aprpreciate someone relatively active being Ottoman--
Sounds good to me Palixia--just make sure Warta sees your request.
I could't agree more. The Andromedan last posted on the 28th of July, except for a short reply two days ago. And this is happening during what should be the Balkan Wars. I understand if you can't post because of RL problems (like Slavic Byzantium, who has exams), but The Andromedan (and Voxia) didn't give any such reason.

Palixia, great you want to be the Ottoman empire! But we already have one, eventhough he hasn't posted anything usefull yet. I fe he doesn't post something today, you're the Ottoman Empire
Parite, you're Norway!

Palixia, please read the Balkan Wars RP (http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=9379434&posted=1#post9379434) and OOC (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=9360300) threads to get up to speed!

We need immediate action to get the Balkan Wars either moving or stopped!

Could whoever does the map (I think it was defuink) update it. We have some changes. We have a new Ottoman Empire, a new Norway player, and Cuba is officially part of the United States. Thank you. Come to think of it, I dont Romania was on the last map either.

I'm back.

Could someone fill me in? Any stuff involving China? Any moderation needed? Anything interesting (world altering) happening so far?

Not much, mostly stuff involving America and Japan, and Romania and the Jet engine.

Go on aol and I will tell you whats going on if you dont wanna read all the posts.

Go on aol and I will tell you whats going on if you dont wanna read all the posts.Who's playing the Porte? The Andromedan or Paxilia?

If Paxilia's been bumped, I recommend they grab Mexico, Brazil, Portugal, or Persia. I'd love to have them take Greece or Bulgaria, but that would be selfish...

Who's playing the Porte? The Andromedan or Paxilia?

If Paxilia's been bumped, I recommend they grab Mexico, Brazil, Portugal, or Persia. I'd love to have them take Greece or Bulgaria, but that would be selfish...
Last I know the only new players we have are Andromedan for Ottoman and Perite for Norway....Paxilia hasnt been active since the first day if i recall correctly.

I've been quietly watching your RP, from my highchair in E20 as Germany. I read a few posts then skipped to the end. I thought, "these guys are pretty good. It might be fun, except I have most of my time devoted to E20. Hmmm... a way to be in this without doing much, but be able to influence the world.... I'll be Swizerland!"

Then I saw France INVADED IT!!!! I thought, "ZOMFG"

and decided, "I'll ask and play the Swiss resistance!!"

So, here I am, wondering if I could play the relatively small role of Swizerland, beating back the French Menace, while systematically opening up bank accounts for the ruthless and evil.

Parthini']I've been quietly watching your RP, from my highchair in E20 as Germany. I read a few posts then skipped to the end. I thought, "these guys are pretty good. It might be fun, except I have most of my time devoted to E20. Hmmm... a way to be in this without doing much, but be able to influence the world.... I'll be Swizerland!"

Then I saw France INVADED IT!!!! I thought, "ZOMFG"

and decided, "I'll ask and play the Swiss resistance!!"

So, here I am, wondering if I could play the relatively small role of Swizerland, beating back the French Menace, while systematically opening up bank accounts for the ruthless and evil.
Lol that would be awesome. I hope the mod accepts you and allows you to play as the Swiss resistance. It would be alot more realistic than Frances non violent invasion. Good luck.

Narodna Odbrana, you sent me a TG about a week ago or so, having to do with wanting Spain to ally with France. i can't think of how to RP the message to France if i do, so i guess this is to everyone, any ideas as to what i should say in the message?

i would like to say this, in WW1 combat planes didn't do very much when attacking ships, they couldn't do much to the bigger ones that is

Parthini, great idea! But you're Switzerland, not the Swiss resistence. I declare th invasion of Switzerland invalid, Defuniak has to RP it again, and if possible better. Also the jetplane thing is a bit fishy, as Atlantian said.

Parthini, great idea! But you're Switzerland, not the Swiss resistence. I declare th invasion of Switzerland invalid, Defuniak has to RP it again, and if possible better. Also the jetplane thing is a bit fishy, as Atlantian said.I guess that puts "Operation William Tell" or hold.

I'm still shopping for big-game weapons, though. ;)

I'm still shopping for big-game weapons, though. ;)

Big Bertha's??? 420's??? :D

Parthini, great idea! But you're Switzerland, not the Swiss resistence. I declare th invasion of Switzerland invalid, Defuniak has to RP it again, and if possible better. Also the jetplane thing is a bit fishy, as Atlantian said.

Good call. This is going to make things interesting between France and Switzerland :cool:

I'm back. However, a few new things have cropped up, as I'm going to be undertaking a major surgery this Friday. I'm going to have an implant put in to enable me to hear for the very first time (I'm deaf if you didn't know already).

So I will be pretty busy in RL getting stuff in order, doing last minute stuff, getting prepared for the surgery, etc. over the next week. My RP'ing will be somewhat limited, but I will be able to check in here and maybe do brief diplomacy stuff, just not deep and involving RP's for a bit though.


So far, what I can tell from reading the RP thread, Austria and Japan has initiated a direct diplomacy with China. Japan with a lunch at the embassy, and Austria with the shipyard and industry development. I can try to get responses to those by the next few days.

Is there anything else that I've missed other than Austria and Japan? Let me know so I can try to respond to those RP's before I go under for my surgery.

Wow, that would be great Sharina! I hope the surgery is succesful, good luck! I'll have patience until you got time to RP.

again, Good Luck!

I'm going to have an implant put in to enable me to hear for the very first time

That is so cool, I heard about surgeries like this ten years ago--so I am certain that now-a-days it will go swimingly.
Do you have any projections on how much hearing you will receive--volume frequency ranges, anything?

I know someone who many years got a surgery like this--well given the time frame I image it is completely different.

He could hear crisp high pitched(high frequency) noises that the average person could hear but he could LF fairly clear.
Sorry to bother, so God bless you and I hope it goes well.

Woot!

Ok, I'll make the factbook and other stuff Wednesday as I'm on vacation with Dial up :gundge:

I fly back tuesday night so I can make it then.

France is gone, too, so it wont be too big a deal.