NationStates Jolt Archive

TO: US Government
FROM: Our Majesty Emperor Gang

We have heard much about the new Thompson Submachine Gun, and we have heard much about the American M1911A1 pistol. Seeign as how I am supervising the modernization of the Army, I was wondering how much these weapons were.

TO: US Government
FROM: Our Majesty Emperor Gang

We have heard much about the new Thompson Submachine Gun, and we have heard much about the American M1911A1 pistol. Seeign as how I am supervising the modernization of the Army, I was wondering how much these weapons were.

They are readily available for sale (ooc $50 each for the Pistols, about $200 for SMGs in 1924 dollars).

Colombia would like to purchase 25,000 Thompson Submachineguns.

Comminque to the United States
From: Greater China

Greetings.

We are interested in acquiring some Thompson guns. How many would you be willing to sell to China? Please contact us should a deal be possible.

Thank you and go in peace.
~Emperor Guozu

They are readily available for sale (ooc $50 each for the Pistols, about $200 for SMGs in 1924 dollars).

TO: US Government
FROM: Our Majesty Emperor Gang

Then we shall purchase 100,000 M1911A1 Pistols, and 80,000 Thompsons, and accompanying ammunition, for a grand total of USD$21,000,000.

If possible, we would like to license the rights to the M1911A1 for future use.

TO: US Government
FROM: Our Majesty Emperor Gang

Then we shall purchase 100,000 M1911A1 Pistols, and 80,000 Thompsons, and accompanying ammunition, for a grand total of USD$21,000,000.

If possible, we would like to license the rights to the M1911A1 for future use.

ooc
figure about two years to get all of those, as production is not geared up for that kind of output at the moment. Otherwise the deal is approved

IC
The US is not willing and neither is the arms maker to license out the 1911A1 or Thompson

ooc
figure about two years to get all of those, as production is not geared up for that kind of output at the moment. Otherwise the deal is approved

IC
The US is not willing and neither is the arms maker to license out the 1911A1 or Thompson

TO: US Government
FROM: Our Majesty Emperor Gang

We understand the non-approval. You've gotta protect your secrets.

OOC:

China would try to buy anywhere between 10 to 1000 of the Thompsons.

IC
The US government approves the sale of submachineguns to China.

OOC
The US government is not actually selling arms, it merely approves or not sales by arms dealers, aircraft makers and shipyards sales to foreign governments. In some cases, like to Bolivia, it underwrites part of the cost, but the actual transaction is foreign government to US corporation.

IC
The US begins modifications and plans for a round the world flight next year.

ooc
In 1924 (sigh).

Brazilian Civil War (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=446584)

ooc
figure about two years to get all of those, as production is not geared up for that kind of output at the moment. Otherwise the deal is approved

IC
The US is not willing and neither is the arms maker to license out the 1911A1 or Thompson




OOC: you agreed to the license of those weapons to me in the Military Thread right?

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=427277&page=13&pp=15

The Left Hand's Zeppelin Corps wishes to purchase rights to American Helium.

OOC: you agreed to the license of those weapons to me in the Military Thread right?

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=427277&page=13&pp=15

to Japan yes.. no one else at this time

Parthini']The Left Hand's Zeppelin Corps wishes to purchase rights to American Helium.

the Left Hand can purchase Helium at the market rate, just like everyone else is the reply from the State Department. However, the proposed round the world flight by the Graf Zeppelin is lauded, and permission for overflying the United States is approved. In addition, the US overs refueling at Lakehurst, New Jersey and San Francisco, California as long as the flight is directly between those points in the continental US, and also offers refueling at Clark field in the Philippines and Wheeler airfield in Hawaii.

to Japan yes.. no one else at this time


why thank you

The 1923 Navy Fleet problem schedule is set for June and July, and will involve the US Atlantic Fleet exercising near Iceland with the British, the US European squadron practicing with the Italians or French, the US Caribbean Fleet exercising near Ascension Island in the South Atlantic, the US Pacific Fleet exercising off the coast of Alaska with the Japanese, the Asiatic fleet exercising with the British in the South China Sea, and the US South Pacific Fleet practicing with the Australians near Fiji.

The Army holds its first big manuever in three years in the New Mexican desert involving all four US cavalry divisions, and the experimental mechanized cavalry brigades.

The Marines conduct a practice regimental sized landing on both the Pacific coast (near San Diego) and the Atlantic coast (at Albemarle Sound)

The US government quietly lets Chile know that it is willing to assist Chile in replacing its old warships with new US warships at a subsidized price. The offer includes 6 of the Raleigh class light cruisers, 10 destroyers of the latest type, and 6 ocean going submarines. In addition, the US will transfer 10 minesweepers directly, and offers Chile the USS Arkansas on a 10 year loan (which would be renamed of course).

The US also offers seaplanes for sale as well, also at a subsidized price.

The Left Hand Air Corps wishes to purchase (uhh a lot?) of Helium in order to fuel our Zeppelins. It also thanks the United States for allowing us to refuel in your country. May this be the beginning of a peaceful relationship, uniting the greatest Air powers!

The Albanian-American society pleads for assistence concerning the refugee crisis in Northern Albania, which is stretching the areas resources to the breaking point. It has been described as "nightmarish". They ask that the American Red Cross send medicine, food, and doctors

The Albanian-American society pleads for assistence concerning the refugee crisis in Northern Albania, which is stretching the areas resources to the breaking point. It has been described as "nightmarish". They ask that the American Red Cross send medicine, food, and doctors

The American Red Cross will indeed respond by sending food and medicine to the Albanian Red Cross (or Red Crescent), and some doctors will respond. Nearly $2 million in money will be sent too

The Valencia Gazette

Partido Conservativo Popular, that is the name that the sad men revolting in Zaragoza have called themselves. Already the government has sent 50,000 troops to the city to take control. Many known conservatives have defected to the PCP includeing the once popular Colonel Fransisco Franco. His brother has declared his allegiance to the Partido de Monarcho-Syndicalism and Partido Socialista Obrero Espana. Both popular partys have declared allegiance to the King and Government and the Basque and Catalan seperatists have declared their opposition to the PCP as the current government has given them an equal representation in Parliament and allows limited autonomy. Colonel Franco has declared himself Caudillo de la gente Espana and many of his troops have defected to the PCP with Franco.

The Francist forces led a revolt in Cadiz which effectively took control of the province of Cadiz. The Francist forces are said to number 17,750 and are being bolstered by citizens pledgeing their support. Zaragoza is controlled by the PCP who have officially formed a coalition with the Francists in Cadiz. The total number of their forces is 43,750 and they are marching on Madrid. The 50,000 Government forces will arrive in Zaragoza within two days and 3 cruisers, a destroyer, and 23 torpedo boats have been sent to Cadiz to blockade the port.

:: Shortly before noon on September 1st a massive Earthquake with an Estimated magnitude of 8.3 has Struck Tokyo with an Epicenter in Sagami Bay and stretching for miles around. Few details have gotten out since the magnitude of the devastation has prevented any real communication from getting out of the Disaster Area word is that the palace has been damaged and the status of the emperor is unknown at this time. Japan is calling out to the international community to give any aid at all possible to this disaster. A massive firestorm erupted due to the earthquake and the wooden and paper structures incinerated untold thousands.::


OOC: ouch..........

The people of the United States are horrified when the extent of the disaster in Japan becomes clear, and several million dollars in donations are sent to Japan, as well as a flood of sympathic telegrams. Among the first to respond are the people of Galveston and San Francisco, cities that received donations from Japan during their disasters nearly a generation ago.

The US prepares for another election year... Cox is running for reelection, and Roosevelt has survived his bout with polio but is crippled.

The US Navy prepares to send a flight around the world.

Relieved that at least the situation in Venezuela is stablized, and apparently a general war has been averted in Europe, the people of the United States wonder what new trouble is brewing.

US Military Forces 1924

US Navy
2 Major Fleet Commands (Atlantic, Pacific), 4 Smaller Commands (South Pacific, Asiatic, Caribbean, European)

US Battleships -15
3 Colorado class battleships (Colorado, West Virginia, Maryland,) 33,000 tons, 21 knots, 8 x16 inch, 12 x 5 inch, 8 x 3 inch
2 Tennessee class (Tennessee, California) 33,000 tons, 21 knots, 12 x 14 inch, 14 x 5 inch, 4 x 3 inch
3 New Mexico class (New Mexico, Mississippi, Idaho), 33,000 tons, 21 knots, 12 x 14 inch, 14 x 5 inch, 4 x 3 inch
2 Pennsylvania class (Pennsylvania, Arizona) 32,000 tons, 21 knots, 12 x 14 inch, 14 x 5 inch, 4 x 3 inch
2 Nevada class (Nevada, Oklahoma) 28,000 tons, 21 knots, 10 x 14 inch, 21 x 5 inch, 4 x 3 inch
2 New York class (New York, Texas) 27,000 tons, 21 knots, 10 x 14 inch, 21 x 5 inch, 4 x 3 inch
1 Wyoming class (Arkansas) 27,000 tons, 21 knots, 12 x 12 inch, 21 x 5 inch, 4 x 3 inch

Cruisers – 27
9 Omaha class light cruiser (Omaha, Milwaukee, Cincinnati, Marblehead, Trenton, Detroit, Concord, Richmond, Memphis) 7100 tons, 34 knots, 12 x 6 inch, 4 x 3 inch, 6 torpedo tubes
10 Houston class light cruisers (Houston, San Diego, Brooklyn, Boston, San Francisco, Albany, New Orleans, Charleston) 7,000 tons, 28 knots, 3 x 6 inch, 9 x 3 inch, 6 x torpedo tubes
4 Honolulu class light cruisers (Honolulu, Juneau, Manila, San Juan)(refitted 1918), 4,000 tons, 30 knots, 4 x 6 inch, 8 x 3 inch, 4 torpedo tubes
2 St. Louis class Light cruisers (St. Louis, Charleston)(refitted 1917), 10,000 tons, 28 knots, 8 x 6 inch, 18 x 3 inch, 4 torpedo tubes.
2 Colombia class Light cruisers (Colombia, Minneapolis)(refitted 1916), 7500 tons, 28 knots, 6 x 6 inch, 6 x 3 inch, 6 torpedo tubes

plus protected cruiser Olympia as a training ship at the Naval Academy

6 heavy cruisers are planned and will be laid down beginning 1926

Carriers
4 Theodore Roosevelt class (Theodore Roosevelt, George Washington, ex Alaska, Hawaii, Abraham Lincoln, William McKinley, ex Puerto Rico, Philippines)
(converted 1917-18) 18,000 tons, 30 knots, 12 x 3 inch guns, 55 aircraft

under construction
2 Lexington class Carriers (Lexington, Saratoga,)(converted 1922-26), 22,000 tons, 32 knots,12 x 3 inch guns, 100 aircraft,

Destroyers (120 + 10 under construction)
Destroyer squadrons – 5 destroyers typically 1000 -1200 tons, 30-36 knots, 4 – 5 x 3 or 4 inch guns, 6 torpedo tubes
DDs 146 - 155 under construction
DDs 37 – 145 organized into 20 squadrons,

Submarines
10 R class training boats
90 S class fleet boats

other ships
150 misc auxiliary including 20 fleet oilers, 10 fleet tugs, 20 gunboats, 4 seaplane tenders, 30 minesweepers, 10 fleet transports, 500 misc small assault craft (mostly in reserve)

US Navy, Coast Guard, and Marine Corps Aviation
Navy, Coast Guard and Marines use smaller squadrons than the Army Air Corps

Training
100 aircraft (8 squadrons) JN4 Jennys including 1 squadron float planes

Observation and advanced training
200 aircraft (8 training squadrons, 16 operational squadrons)
Curtis MF 1 Flying boats speed 72 MPH, range 170 miles, crew 2, 1 machine gun, 250 pounds bombs, operational squadrons are assigned to battleships, carriers, and seaplane tenders

Observation and long range scouting
24 (2 squadrons) NC Long Range flying boats , speed 90 mph, range 1,400 miles, crew 6, 4 machine guns, 1,000 pounds bombs

100 (8 squadrons) HSL2 Flying boats, speed 90 mph, range 550 miles, crew 2, 1 machine gun, 2 depth charges or 500 pounds of bombs

200 (16 squadrons) HS16 Flying boats, speed 100 mph, range 600 miles, crew 4, 4 machines guns, 4 depth charges or 1000 pounds of bombs

Lighter than air squadrons
80 D class Blimps (16 squadrons), twin engined Blimps, speed 50 MPH, range 1000 miles, crew 4, 1 machine gun, 4 depth charges or 1000 pounds of bombs.

Carrier Scout and Bombing aircraft
240 Douglass DT2 Torpedo bombers (20 squadrons),
120 Douglas DT1 Scout planes (10 squadrons),

Fighter aircraft
120 Packard La Pere (10 squadrons)

Douglas DT1/2, single engined, speed 103 mph, combat range 800 miles (scout), 300 miles (torpedo bomber). 2 machine guns, plus either fuel for scouting and 500 pounds of bombs or 1 x 2000 pound torpedo

Carrier air group (Roosevelt class)—2 torpedo squadrons, 1 scout squadron, 1 fighter squadron

US Coast Guard
20 ocean going cutters
20 coastal cutters
50 misc craft and ships

Marine Corps
9 Infantry regiments, 3 artillery regiments, 4 coast defense battalions organized into the 1st Division (West Coast), 2nd Division (East Coast), plus a regiment each Hawaii, Philippines, and Morocco, plus an artillery regiment in Hawaii. Coast defense battalions in Tahiti, Samoa, Iceland, and San Francisco

Deployment US Navy
Atlantic Fleet Command (home base Norfolk, Virginia)
Battle Force Atlantic
BB Colorado, West Virginia, Maryland, Tennessee, California, cruisers Colombia, Minneapolis, 4 destroyer squadrons

Submarine Force Atlantic
10 training boats, 30 fleet boats

Caribbean Fleet (home base Colon, Panama)
Battleship Arkansas, Carrier Roosevelt, Cruisers Houston, San Diego, Brooklyn, Boston, San Francisco, Albany, New Orleans, Charleston, 2 Destroyer squadrons, 10 gunboats, 10 submarines, 3 HS16 squadrons

European Fleet (stations Iceland and Morocco)
Battleships Texas, New York, Cruisers St. Louis, Charleston, 3 destroyer squadrons, 20 submarines, 3 HS16 squadrons, 2 fighter squadrons

Pacific Fleet (San Diego)
Battle Force Pacific (San Pedro)
Battleships New Mexico, Mississippi, Idaho, Pennsylvania, Arizona, Nevada, Oklahoma , 6 destroyer squadrons

Submarine force Pacific (Pearl Harbor, San Francisco)
20 Fleet boats

Scout Force Pacific (San Diego)
Carriers Mckinley, Washington, Lincoln, cruisers Omaha, Milwaukee, Cincinnati, Marblehead, Trenton, Detroit, Concord, Richmond, Memphis

Asiatic Fleet (Cavite)
Cruisers Honolulu, Juneau, 4 destroyer squadrons, 10 submarines, 5 gunboats, 3 HS 16 squadrons

South Pacific Fleet (Pearl Harbor)
Cruisers Manila, San Juan, 1 destroyer squadron, 5 gunboats, 4 HS 16 squadrons

All remaining naval, marine and coast guard aircraft in continental US


US Army 1924
200,000 in Regular Army (includes 35,000 in Army Air Corps)
12 Infantry Divisions (1st – 9th, plus Philippine, Hawaii and Panama divisions), 2 Cavalry Divisions (1st and 2nd), plus 2 infantry brigades (Alaska, Puerto Rico), 2 mechanized Cavalry Regiments (2nd, 3rd), 3 Independent Cavalry Regiments (10th (colored), 11th, 26th Philippine Scout), 3 Independent Infantry Regiments (24th Colored, 25th Colored, Alaskan Scouts), 12 Coast Artillery groups (brigade sized)

500,000 National Guard (including Air National Guard)
20 Infantry Divisions (26th – 38th, 40th – 46th), 2 Cavalry Divisions (39th, 47th), 24 Coast Artillery groups (brigade sized)

Army Air Corps (including Air National Guard)
Training, Light Bombing, Observation: 20 squadrons (12 training, 8 operational, 1100 aircraft ) JN4 Jenny
Speed 90 MPH, range 75 miles, cost $5,600 crew 2, armament: 2 machine guns (1 front, 1 observer), 200 pounds bombs

http://www.wpafb.af.mil/museum/early_years/ey2b.htm

Observation and Bombing:
100 J1 Standard (4 squadrons) Speed 72 MPH, range 235 miles, cost $6,000, crew 2, armament 2 machine guns, 300 pounds bombs

http://www.wpafb.af.mil/museum/early_years/ey10.htm

120 Martin MB2 (10 squadrons) speed 99 mph, range 558 miles, cost $15,000 crew 4, armament 4 machine guns, 3000 pounds bombs,

http://www.wpafb.af.mil/museum/ac/pg000026.htm

Scouting and Advanced training:
150 Thomas Morse S4C (6 training squadrons) speed 95 MPH, range 250 miles, cost $6500, crew 1, armament 1 machine gun

http://www.wpafb.af.mil/museum/early_years/ey4a.htm

400 Packard LePere LUSAC Sparrows (18 squadrons) speed 136 cruise 118 range 320 miles, crew 2, 4 machine guns (2 front, 2 rear),

http://www.wpafb.af.mil/museum/early_years/ey9.htm

Balloons and Blimps
Observation balloons
http://www.wpafb.af.mil/museum/early_years/ey5a.htm

experimental aircraft
http://www.wpafb.af.mil/museum/early_years/ey3a.htm


Notable achievements to date by Air Service and Navy
http://www.wpafb.af.mil/museum/history/postwwi/rtr.htm

http://www.wpafb.af.mil/museum/history/postwwi/tret.htm
http://www.wpafb.af.mil/museum/history/postwwi/acd.htm
http://www.wpafb.af.mil/museum/history/postwwi/asr.htm
http://www.wpafb.af.mil/museum/history/postwwi/faf.htm
http://www.wpafb.af.mil/museum/history/postwwi/maf.htm

Deployment:
1 Infantry Division, 1 Cavalry Regiment, 3 coast artillery groups, 2 Scout squadrons, 1 observation squadron, 1 balloon squadron Philippines
1 Infantry Division, 3 coast artillery groups, 3 scout squadrons, 1 observation squadron, 1 balloon squadron Hawaii,
1 Infantry Division, 4 coast artillery groups, 3 scout squadrons, 1 observation squadron, 1 bomber squadron, 1 balloon squadron, Panama,
1 Infantry Brigade, 1 coast artillery group, 3 scout squadrons, 1 bomber squadron, Puerto Rico,
1 Infantry Brigade Alaska,
1 Cavalry regiment (10th Colored) Morocco
1 Infantry regiment, 1 coast artillery group Truk,
1 infantry regiment Tahiti, Washington DC,
29 Infantry Divisions (regular and national guard), 4 Horse Cavalry divisions (regular and national guard), 2 mechanized cavalry regiments, 2 horse cavalry regiments, 24 coast artillery groups (national guard) and remainder of Army Air Corps Continental US

The Army has about 200 tanks, 400 armored cars but is working on better designs. All Regular infantry divisions have replaced all draft animals with trucks. Some of the National Guard divisions have as well. Mechanized cavalry are equipped with armored cars and trucks and are a primitive light armored brigade in size.

The US Army and Navy looking at the Curtis CR3, and its Interceptor variant, the P1 Hawk, to replace the now aging Packard Le Pere aircraft. A production run of 800 aircraft is planned over the next 2 years.

http://www.multied.com/Aviation/Prewarus/CR3.html
http://www.wpafb.af.mil/museum/research/p1.htm

in other aviation news, the US has conducted experiments with air to air refueling and in 1923 actually manages to keep an aircraft up for 37 continuous hours.
http://www.rafmuseum.org.uk/milestones-of-flight/world/1923.html
The US also breaks the world speed record at 267 mph

This year the US begins routine transcontinental air mail service

the US Army acquires several Curtis Model 18 tranport aircraft (military versions of the Curtis B2 bomber) for use as cargo aircraft.

In addition, 120 Curtis B2 bombers are ordered to replace the aging MB2s still in service.

http://www.wpafb.af.mil/museum/research/bombers/b2-5.jpg
http://www.wpafb.af.mil/museum/research/bombers/b1-41.htm

with a transport actually able to carry at least 12 men, the US Army forms an experimental parachute test platoon.

From: Dr. Hugo Eckener, Chairman of the Worker's World Zeppelin Airline
To: President Cox

Dear Mr. President,

As you may know, the Worker's Air Corps has expanded its Zeppelin service to provide use for the Zeppelin the way it should be. For the past several years, Zeppelins have peacefully flown the skies of the Republic, bearing goods and people swiftly and safely. In all of the Airline's service, not a passenger has perished. However, we seek to extend that to the rest of the world. Currently, plans are being made for Europe. However, it is my belief that America is a place that is willing to open its hearts, and pocketbooks, to the Zeppelin. Thus, I propose that a Trans-Atlantic Zeppelin Service, under guidance of the WWZA commence within 5 years. All I ask for is your cooperation.

I hope that the mighty vessel can unite our great countries. I hope to meet you myself very soon, as I plan to depart on the Graf Zeppelin within the year.

Best Wishes,
Dr. Eckener.

the US Army acquires several Curtis Model 18 tranport aircraft (military versions of the Curtis B2 bomber) for use as cargo aircraft.

In addition, 120 Curtis B2 bombers are ordered to replace the aging MB2s still in service.

http://www.wpafb.af.mil/museum/research/bombers/b2-5.jpg
http://www.wpafb.af.mil/museum/research/bombers/b1-41.htm

with a transport actually able to carry at least 12 men, the US Army forms an experimental parachute test platoon.


Is there any chance that Japan can purchase 75 Curtis Model 18's

Is there any chance that Japan can purchase 75 Curtis Model 18's

Japan is authorized to buy aircraft from Curtis.

ooc
look up Mitsubishi aircraft, their first fighter aircraft flew in 1924, it might actually be better.

Colombia would also like rights to purchase from Curtis... if Curtis wishes we invite them to open up a factory in Cali or Bogota.

Colombia would also like rights to purchase from Curtis... if Curtis wishes we invite them to open up a factory in Cali or Bogota.

Curtis is willing to sell P1s to the Colombians, but has opened up another factory already in California.

The United States Navy announces a new building program

Pensacola class cruiser 13,600 tons, 33 knots, 9x 8 inch guns, 12 x 5 inch dual purpose guns, 20 machine guns, 2 scout planes

Planned: Pensacola, Salt Lake City, Northhampton, Chicago, Houston, Augusta, New Orleans, Portland, Indianapolis, Astoria, Minneapolis, Tuscaloosa, San Francisco, Quincy, Baltimore built at a rate of 3 annually, first ships to reach the fleet in 1927.

North Carolina class battleships 35,000 tons, 28 knots, 9 x 16 inch guns, 12 x 5 inch dual purpose guns, 30 machine guns, 2 scout planes

Planned: North Carolina, Washington, Massachusetts, Alabama, South Dakota built at a rate of one annually, first ship to reach fleet in 1928.

Barracuda class fleet submarine 2,000 tons, 20 knots surface, 7 knots submerged, 1 x 5 inch gun, 6 bow torpedo tubes, 2 stern torpedo tubes

Planned: Barracuda, Bass, Bonita, Narwhal, Nautilus with first boat reaching fleet 1926

Also 50 more destroyers planned, with 10 reaching the fleet a year beginning 1926

In addition, the fortifications in the Philippines, Guam, Hawaii and Panama will be modernized, and more extensive fortifications added to Iceland.

Japan is authorized to buy aircraft from Curtis.

ooc
look up Mitsubishi aircraft, their first fighter aircraft flew in 1924, it might actually be better.


I'm after the Paratrooper transport, I don't think i have anything comparable yet.

I'm after the Paratrooper transport, I don't think i have anything comparable yet.

transport aircraft are definitely available for sale

Colombia would like to order 20 P-1's from Curtiss then, as well as 10 transport planes that they might have.

And Colombia is opening its offer of a factory in Colombia to any American Company... keep in mind it would be subsidized so no building costs.

Communique to Nikolai Tesla
From: Greater China

Greetings.

China has heard of your successes and talent with the electricial sciences. We have also heard of your current status within the United States which leaves much to be desired. We would very much like to rectify that.

China is very interested in hiring you to begin studying electricity and aid China in its endeavours in the electrical sciences. We shall consider every concept or idea you have as gold, as we believe in pursuring every possible approach that geniuses attempt to develop. For all we know, a concept the United States may consider insane may very well be workable and be actually feasible.

China is fully prepared to provide an entire science lab, a full research staff, and as much resources as you deem necessary for your experiments. If the experiments prove to be successes, we could expand your research lab to an whole section of an university. In China, you shall find what you could not discover or enjoy in the United States, and that is a promise directly made by the honorable Chinese Emperor.

China looks forward to having you. Inform us of your thoughts and decision.

Thank you and prosper well.
~Emperor Guozu

Tesla, a naturalized citizen, is under survellience by the Secret Service, and the letter from the Chinese never gets to him. Shortly after, the Navy Department hires him and sets him up with lab at the Anacosta Naval Station near Washington DC.

OOC
he was under government observation during this time, and China is not viewed as a friendly power at the moment. Tesla may be completely nuts at this point too, but he does come up with some interesting (and dangerous) ideas about this time.

Tesla, a naturalized citizen, is under survellience by the Secret Service
Is there a source for this?

Is there a source for this?

He is viewed as a crackpot and a bit crazy by this time in history, but he is still alive and when he died historically Eleanor Roosevelt and the Vice President actually went to his funeral, so he is a national treasure. In this timeline, the US is watching closely its more important thinkers, as the Chinese and other nations have been steadily trying to recruit them (all game) and the US is not willing to let that slide anymore. Especially Tesla and Christie, who are nutty enough to actually leave the country. Historically when Tesla died, the FBI seized all of his papers, which definitely implies they were watching him close.

http://chem.ch.huji.ac.il/~eugeniik/history/tesla.htm
http://www.neuronet.pitt.edu/~bogdan/tesla/
http://www.pbs.org/tesla/ll/

that death ray idea may actually have not been completely nutty.. the Japanese were working on one in 1945 historically
http://www.raven1.net/jwalltil.htm

Yeah, I actually have Margaret Cheney's biography of him - a bit too uncritical, but not a bad source otherwise. Anyway, I'll buy that the US is getting a little paranoid.

How's Du Bois doing, by the way? You should make him ambassador to the Union.

And yes, supposedly the "Death Ray" was "invented" simultaneously in several places (including Germany) right about now. It's pretty unclear as to what it was really supposed to be, though. I suppose we could have a scare about it.

Yeah, I actually have Margaret Cheney's biography of him - a bit too uncritical, but not a bad source otherwise. Anyway, I'll buy that the US is getting a little paranoid.

How's Du Bois doing, by the way? You should make him ambassador to the Union.

And yes, supposedly the "Death Ray" was "invented" simultaneously in several places (including Germany) right about now. It's pretty unclear as to what it was really supposed to be, though. I suppose we could have a scare about it.

the "death ray" was essentially an idea that led to lasers and microwave technology. The Japanese attempt was a directed microwave, that apparently could have worked, although the power requirements were impractical for the technology of the day. We all know lasers show up eventually, and now we also have directed microwave and EMP weaponary.

Lasers however are tech level 7
useful lasers for communication are at tech level 8
lasers as weaponary at tech level 9
Directed microwave and directed EMP weaponary are tech level 9
Microwave communications are tech level 8

Tesla also had ideas that were a precursor to radar in 1917... for our purposes though radar is early tech level 6

At this point the US, Germany and Britian are still in the lead technologically, and are at late tech level 5.

the United States helps Morocco modernize its Army..

(based on this link as to size http://france1940.free.fr/vichy/ob_maroc.html)

4 Cavalry Divisions (horse cavalry), 2 Light Infantry Divisions (equipped with light artillery and mortars instead of medium and light artillery), 2 Infantry Divisions (to guard Casablanca and Tangiers), several coast artillery commands (equipped with US 3 inch AA, 5 inch duel purpose, 6 and 8 inch coast artillery, and 12 inch coast defense mortars and 14 inch guns).

Major coast artillery fortifications build at Casablanca, Ceuta, and Tangiers.
American advisors are attached to Moroccon units at the brigade level in the Cavalry and Infantry, at the battery level in the Coast Artillery and Field Artillery.

The Moroccon Army is equipped with US infantry weapons and artillery, and a nascent Moroccon Air Force is formed and a Coast Guard equipped with US P1 Falcon fighters, Packard Light bombers and older US gunboats and Coast Guard cutters.

All of the surrendered pro Nationalists in the areas recently occupied are sent to the Canary Islands. An election is then hurriedly arranged and naturally the Canary Islands chose to join Morocco as a territory. The Canary Islands have home rule, but their foriegn affairs will be handled by Morocco. Much to the surprise of the US, the Canary Islanders and Moroccan government agrees to let the US establish a naval station there, and a US Marine defense battalion and navy shore establishment is quickly rushed to the principal city of Las Palmas.

ooc
Yes, the US did 'arrange' for that electoral result.

All of the surrendered pro Nationalists in the areas recently occupied are sent to the Canary Islands. An election is then hurriedly arranged and naturally the Canary Islands chose to join Morocco as a territory. The Canary Islands have home rule, but their foriegn affairs will be handled by Morocco. Much to the surprise of the US, the Canary Islanders and Moroccan government agrees to let the US establish a naval station there, and a US Marine defense battalion and navy shore establishment is quickly rushed to the principal city of Las Palmas.

ooc
Yes, the US did 'arrange' for that electoral result.
This is an illegal Referendum organized by an illegitimately-constituted governing power under the guns of the United States Navy. The Union does not recognize it, issues the strongest possible condemnation of the naked American opportunism and expansionism, calls upon the nations to condemn this reprehensible, detestable, and dishonorable act, and furthermore instructs the United States military to withdraw its forces immediately from the sovereign territory of the kingdom of Spain or the Union will regard this as an Act of War.

This is an illegal Referendum organized by an illegitimately-constituted governing power under the guns of the United States Navy. The Union does not recognize it, issues the strongest possible condemnation of the naked American opportunism and expansionism, calls upon the nations to condemn this reprehensible, detestable, and dishonorable act, and furthermore instructs the United States military to withdraw its forces immediately from the sovereign territory of the kingdom of Spain or the Union will regard this as an Act of War.

The United States and the Kingdom of Morocco both reject the right of Russia to interfere in this matter and further reject the Russian claim that the territory in question belongs any longer to Spain. The United States and Morocco will not withdraw.

In addition, the US hereby instructs all German and Russian consulate staff to leave the United States or return to their embassy in Washington DC, and also orders all Americans out of Russia, Germany, China, and Spain.

A war warning is sent to all US military and naval forces, and forwarded to other LTA nations (except France).

All Warsaw Forces are placed on full alert.

The United States and the "Kingdom of Morocco" for whom Washington presumes to speak have invaded a charter member of the Cordoba Conference. The Union is obligated to come to Spain's aid in the event of such an invasion, so you can go the Devil with your ridiculous dismissal of "Russia's" right to "interfere." This is transparently an imperialistic land-grab and a fomentation of war. We see now the true face of your so-called "democracy" - the face that murdered myriads of Red Indians and enslaved millions of Black Africans in pursuit of power and profit, chained children to machines and engineered wage slavery for the masses to benefit bloated financiers, and will not cease to devour all that it can until the World itself is laid waste by its greed.

I am leaving Washington now, and happily. When Amerika and the Union meet again it shall be at the point of a bayonet.

We will bury you.

France Backs Warsaw Pact

The French have always been a friend to the United States of America, bnut we must demand that the territory taken by the so-called "kingdom of Morroco" be returned to the soverign nation of Spain.

In light of the recent dismissal of Russia's demand, it is with a heavy heart that we issue a decleration of WAR against the United States and it's people. We hope that one day we will meet as friends again. For now, however, we must be enemies.

Yours,

PM Leon Blum



French forces are placed on full alert all across the globe and the fleet prepares for possible combat. All along the coast lines spotters are positioned and air patrols increase. The squadron steaming for Vietnam continues and plans to rendevous with the Russians in Vladivistok. In Vietnam preperations are made for a possible invasion by the Japanese, should they enter the war.

French colonial troops in North Africa prepare for an invasion of Morocco and the FFL deploys troops to assist, as well as men to protect the Lybian-French border. In France itself recruitment posters go up and draft is instated. The economy goes into full war mode.

Palestine has declared itself to be a non-beligerent in the coming conflict, but issues a condemnation of the United State's actions in the strongest possible way.

Palestine insists that they will not be drawn into this war, but popular public opinion is with the French, the original liberators of the Palestinian Republic. As such, a division of Palestinian volunteers have raised money for transport to France, where they will join the French Army. They depart Haifa with a brass band playing a slightly off key version of the Marseilleand to the cheers of a large crowd.

Telegram to Washington D.C.
"Yugoslavia must condemn the actions of the USA, and though the US has only been a kind neighbor across the pond, it has gone too far now. Yugoslavia hereby declares it's support of Russia, and should the USA not back down immediately a declaration of war will exist."

Meanwhile ten reserve divisions are called up, and the border with Italy and the coast are reinforced with units. The Air force(A wing of outdated Russian and German Bi-planes) is given the orders to fly patrols into the Adriatic Sea and fly cover for the Split naval fleet, which is under orders to stay in port until further orders.

The newly activated 1st Mountain Division is sent to the Italian border as well.

Communique to the United States
From: Greater China

We are quite displeased with your actions regarding the Moroccoan government claiming rightfully Spanish lands. This is obviously hypocritical of your government, as you have repeatedly declared that the US is only interested in the Americas, and the Monroe Doctrine. However, with the Moroccoan situation, it is the United States who is breaking its own promises and doctrines to interfere with European and African affairs.

We are prepared to stand with our friends in Russia, Germany, France, Yugoslavia, and the Ottomans. We will fight back with every man, woman, and child should the US, Japan, or Britain attack China, as we refuse to be subjugated ever again. No more!

~Emperor Guozu

RNC 5:00 PM Report

The Chilean Navy has today ordered all Chilean Flag ships to restrict commercial activities to our waters, and to international waters en route to Peru, Equador, or Columbia under naval escort. The Navy spokesman explained this is in response to recent declarations of war in Europe and Africa. At such a time as convoys can be arranged with Columbia or the United States the zone of guaranteed operation will be expanded. The Navy has been ordered to shoot to defend against any hostile forces attacking our shipping or invading the Motherland.

The President called a joint meeting of the Cabinet, the military branch chiefs, and the Banking Control Commission for a review of treaty obligations with the American powers, and a discussion of their meaning in light of Trade with Hostile Nations laws. A decision regarding the status of French businesses in Chile is expected from the Attorney General in two weeks.

Dear Sirs,

The Government of Brazil kindly asks the US to withdraw from Morocco. There is no need for war here. If your presence in Morocco is continued we shall have to militarily side with the Warsaw Pact, whom we back idealogically. If the US refuses to see reason, consider our countries at a state of war.

Deepest Regards,
Brazil's Parliament and Politburo.

Dear Sirs,

The Government of Brazil kindly asks the US to withdraw from Morocco. There is no need for war here. If your presence in Morocco is continued we shall have to militarily side with the Warsaw Pact, whom we back idealogically. If the US refuses to see reason, consider our countries at a state of war.

Deepest Regards,
Brazil's Parliament and Politburo.

the US rejects the Brazilian note, and replies that Brazil would be much better served if it declared its neutrality.

France Backs Warsaw Pact

The French have always been a friend to the United States of America, bnut we must demand that the territory taken by the so-called "kingdom of Morroco" be returned to the soverign nation of Spain.

In light of the recent dismissal of Russia's demand, it is with a heavy heart that we issue a decleration of WAR against the United States and it's people. We hope that one day we will meet as friends again. For now, however, we must be enemies.

Yours,

PM Leon Blum



French forces are placed on full alert all across the globe and the fleet prepares for possible combat. All along the coast lines spotters are positioned and air patrols increase. The squadron steaming for Vietnam continues and plans to rendevous with the Russians in Vladivistok. In Vietnam preperations are made for a possible invasion by the Japanese, should they enter the war.

French colonial troops in North Africa prepare for an invasion of Morocco and the FFL deploys troops to assist, as well as men to protect the Lybian-French border. In France itself recruitment posters go up and draft is instated. The economy goes into full war mode.

all actions are noted, but will not occur until tomorrow as it is VERY likely the LTA nations will interfer with those plans. Especially at sea.

The US replies to the French Declaration of War with one of its own. The US will respond to each declaration of war as well, but does not issue one first.

ooc
you probably should have waited France, its much easier for me to now claim that the Socialists declared war first, as the American people aren't going to care about obscure claims to islands famous for little yellow birds.

the US rejects the Brazilian note, and replies that Brazil would be much better served if it declared its neutrality.


We are sad. Amazed. At the lack of foresight America has had. You would fight over these small islands? You are in the wrong here America. We are forced to declare war.

Our Regrets,
Brazil's Politburo and Parliament.

-- In Code --
To: The State Department, Washington DC, USA
From: Department of Foreign Affairs, Santiago, Chile

Subject: Recent Declarations of War

At this time the Attorney General is evaluating if the French declaration of war against the USA defines France as a Hostile Power. If so the administration will act to sieze French assets in Chile under domestic law.

We are quite surprised by the Brazilian declaration of war. We have this week required Chilean flag shipping to restrict operations to the Pacific Coast of South America. The shipping will be under convoy by the Chilean Navy. We view the Brazilian declaration of war to be covered under the Pan American Treaty. The Navy estimates that it can control the Straits of Magellan and Cape Horn with three destroyers and five submarines. We do not anticipate transportation of land forces to Brazilian territory. At this time we request Washington's view of Chilean involvement against Brazil. Do you consider it better for us to remain neutral as a conduit for intelligence and negotiations with Brazil, or would integrate Chilean Naval Operations in the vicinity of Tierra DelFuego with overall Naval Strategy?









-- End Code --

We are sad. Amazed. At the lack of foresight America has had. You would fight over these small islands? You are in the wrong here America. We are forced to declare war.

Our Regrets,
Brazil's Politburo and Parliament.

Colombia immediatly considers a complete blockade of Brazil assisted by Great Britain and the United States; This should completely destroy any Brazillian economy. But of course, we are only considering this.

-- In Code --
To: The State Department, Washington DC, USA
From: Department of Foreign Affairs, Santiago, Chile

Subject: Recent Declarations of War

At this time the Attorney General is evaluating if the French declaration of war against the USA defines France as a Hostile Power. If so the administration will act to sieze French assets in Chile under domestic law.

We are quite surprised by the Brazilian declaration of war. We have this week required Chilean flag shipping to restrict operations to the Pacific Coast of South America. The shipping will be under convoy by the Chilean Navy. We view the Brazilian declaration of war to be covered under the Pan American Treaty. The Navy estimates that it can control the Straits of Magellan and Cape Horn with three destroyers and five submarines. We do not anticipate transportation of land forces to Brazilian territory. At this time we request Washington's view of Chilean involvement against Brazil. Do you consider it better for us to remain neutral as a conduit for intelligence and negotiations with Brazil, or would integrate Chilean Naval Operations in the vicinity of Tierra DelFuego with overall Naval Strategy?

-- End Code --

the US Ambassador, in person, requests Chilean help against Brazil, and assistance in the wider war that is certainly inevitable.

With war the United States begins to mobilize its economy. Cox appoints gifted business leaders to handle rationing, industrial priorities, shipping and railroads, funding the war, and ensuring American allies have the tools and money to fight as well.

A war approprations bill hits Congress calling for the construction of 6 battleships, 24 cruisers, 300 destroyers, 200 patrol craft, 100 submarines, 200 minesweepers and hundreds of other craft including landing craft and transport ships. That same bill also calls for the expansion of the Naval Air Service to 2,000 aircraft and the Army Air Corps to 5,000 aircraft, and the raising of a wartime army of 90 divisions as well as the creation of 6 Marine Divisions. This is expected to take 2 years to complete. As a rider to the bill, Cox manages to get Congress to approve measures that will allow women to serve in noncombat roles beyond nursing, and the creation of Black infantry battalions and cavalry regiments to serve alongside whites in combat divisions. The first step toward desegregration is made. An Army of 8 million is planned for, along with 4 million in the Navy.

The Army and Navy begin buying land all over the United States for the massive expansion needed. Orders are placed with hundreds of companies and corporations and by necessity, they will have to subcontract much of the work. All of this will naturally take time, but the previous high levels of defense spending has already laid the groundwork (ooc unlike the position the US was in World War I, and more like the position it was in World War II)

It is also recognized that concrete help will have to be sent to support Italy, and reinforcements will be needed to back up the Moroccan Army (which already has nearly 10,000 American advisors and combat troops in country, plus the 10 Moroccan Divisions organized and trained and equipped). Air power will be needed quickly there as well.

Troopships and transports assemble in New York, Philadelphia, Norfolk and Charleston, and tens of thousands of men begin arriving by rail along with tens of thousands of tons of supply

Italy is informed that the US will send an Army of 6 divisions to assist it (which won't leave the US until August), while another Army and 6 divisions are prepared for shipment to Morocco. With each army will be fighter and bomber squadrons, and all US divisions are well equipped with motor transport.

National Guard Divisions are already in training camps within a week after the war begins, beginning refresher training and the unfit and too old are weeded out and replaced by younger and fitter blood from the Regular Army. More divisions will be added to the Army as training camps become available.

ooc
based on the US mobilization and deployment schedule during 1940 and 1941, as well as its activities during 1917. The Navy is based on what the US Navy actually built between 1917 -1918 and also during the period 1940 -43, not counting carriers. They will probably show up soon too as it becomes clear how useful they are.

OOC: Quick question: When did you have time to train ten Morrocan divisions? You occupied Morroco about a month ago.

OOC: Quick question: When did you have time to train ten Morrocan divisions? You occupied Morroco about a month ago.

ooc
actually the US moved into Morocco a year ago, it occupied the Spanish portions on July 16 of this year. Spain complained about it at the time, and so did Germany, but the US stayed nevertheless. The Moroccans already had guard units and tribal levies, and had been armed by the US shortly after the US acquired bases. It was a matter of simply providing them with advisors. They won't perform well as divisions, but as battalions and regiments they will do ok, and then better as more US assistance arrives. The Moroccan and Algerian divisions in both World Wars were some of the best troops in the world, and the Moroccans historically wiped out an entire Spanish Army in the 1920s and gave the French a hard time. They are excellent warriors and made even better soldiers. A Moroccan division made possible the capture of Monte Cassino in World War II for example.

The US also has had a Black Cavalry Regiment in Morocco for over a year, plus a Marine regiment and a couple of Marine Base Defense battalions are present. Along with several squadrons of aircraft as well. Check the US thread, I have been updating it frequently showing exactly what I had where.

OOC: Granted you have been good to the Moroccans and have a "friendly treaty" or something, but would it really be all hunky-dory over there? I mean you did rig the elections, and I know for a fact, Berbers and Arabs love fighting.

Parthini']OOC: Granted you have been good to the Moroccans and have a "friendly treaty" or something, but would it really be all hunky-dory over there? I mean you did rig the elections, and I know for a fact, Berbers and Arabs love fighting.

actually the US has no role in the Moroccan government, just basing rights, a military treaty and the US bankrolls the King. It also has a good relationship with the Berbers dating back to 1905. So Morocco isn't a US colony, just under US protection, and should be really happy since the US just helped them double their territory by taking over Spanish Sahara (well, since the Spanish only actually ruled a couple of towns there, not much really changed for the Berber population)

OOC: Ahh, I thought you annexed the country. My bad.

And, not to be a pain or a rush, but when are you going to get around to doing the Italy Invasion? It was supposed to be an opening move.

Parthini']OOC: Ahh, I thought you annexed the country. My bad.

And, not to be a pain or a rush, but when are you going to get around to doing the Italy Invasion? It was supposed to be an opening move.

that will be dealt with today.... its really complicated and huge, so it will take a while to resolve... July and August activity will be posted at the same time.

The Colombian army needs Armoured Vehicles, Trucks, Sub-Machine Guns, Torpedoes, Destroyers (or blueprints to destroyers that we could produce ourselves), minesweepers and layers, as well as flamethrower equipment.

Also, we have sent a small task force (I posted it somewhere) to Morocco to help you defeat Pact warships at the straight of Gibralter.

ooc: I think I sent two carriers a few cruisers and a couple destroyers... My aircrews have been practicing torpedo runs on old ships for awhile now.

With war the United States begins to mobilize its economy. Cox appoints gifted business leaders to handle rationing, industrial priorities, shipping and railroads, funding the war, and ensuring American allies have the tools and money to fight as well.

A war approprations bill hits Congress calling for the construction of 6 battleships, 24 cruisers, 300 destroyers, 200 patrol craft, 100 submarines, 200 minesweepers and hundreds of other craft including landing craft and transport ships. That same bill also calls for the expansion of the Naval Air Service to 2,000 aircraft and the Army Air Corps to 5,000 aircraft, and the raising of a wartime army of 90 divisions as well as the creation of 6 Marine Divisions. This is expected to take 2 years to complete. As a rider to the bill, Cox manages to get Congress to approve measures that will allow women to serve in noncombat roles beyond nursing, and the creation of Black infantry battalions and cavalry regiments to serve alongside whites in combat divisions. The first step toward desegregration is made. An Army of 8 million is planned for, along with 4 million in the Navy.

The Army and Navy begin buying land all over the United States for the massive expansion needed. Orders are placed with hundreds of companies and corporations and by necessity, they will have to subcontract much of the work. All of this will naturally take time, but the previous high levels of defense spending has already laid the groundwork (ooc unlike the position the US was in World War I, and more like the position it was in World War II)

It is also recognized that concrete help will have to be sent to support Italy, and reinforcements will be needed to back up the Moroccan Army (which already has nearly 10,000 American advisors and combat troops in country, plus the 10 Moroccan Divisions organized and trained and equipped). Air power will be needed quickly there as well.

Troopships and transports assemble in New York, Philadelphia, Norfolk and Charleston, and tens of thousands of men begin arriving by rail along with tens of thousands of tons of supply

Italy is informed that the US will send an Army of 6 divisions to assist it (which won't leave the US until August), while another Army and 6 divisions are prepared for shipment to Morocco. With each army will be fighter and bomber squadrons, and all US divisions are well equipped with motor transport.

National Guard Divisions are already in training camps within a week after the war begins, beginning refresher training and the unfit and too old are weeded out and replaced by younger and fitter blood from the Regular Army. More divisions will be added to the Army as training camps become available.

ooc
based on the US mobilization and deployment schedule during 1940 and 1941, as well as its activities during 1917. The Navy is based on what the US Navy actually built between 1917 -1918 and also during the period 1940 -43, not counting carriers. They will probably show up soon too as it becomes clear how useful they are.

Incidently, the US Gross National Product at this point is $500 Billion. The first year of the war the Defense budget and various war spending in private sector will be at $100 Billion, gradually rising to $200 Billion over the next 2 years (thats an annual figure), the US economy will also grow to about $600 (based on World War I and II growth rates of US national economies) over 5 years.

In other words, the US can actually spend more money than the Pact can put together.

The Navy and Naval Air Service and Air Corps will get $50 Billion a year, Ground Forces (including ammunition and supply) will get $20 Billion gradually rising to $50 Billion, Aid to Allies starts at $5 Billion (including another $100 million for the Brazilian rebels), and the reminder of the budget is things like industrial expansion, transportation improvements, bases, a certain amount of waste, and misc other costs. The US has a population of just under 120 Million, of which it can mobilize 10%, or 12 million. Initial plans for the Army are cut a bit so that it will have 7 million men in 100 division equivilants plus support troops, plus a huge air corps, while the Navy will have 4 million, including a huge air service and marine corps along with several thousands ships and craft (including over 1000 major warships).

This may seem huge, but its still smaller than what the US did in World War II historically.

OOC: No God-Damned wonder you wanted the war to start now...

Parthini']OOC: No God-Damned wonder you wanted the war to start now...

ooc
yep, its nice to be to be an economic colossus

ooc: Are you saying I get $5 Billion??

ooc: Are you saying I get $5 Billion??

No, however, the US will supply you with vehicles and aircraft as they become available. Shipyard space is not available though, so you will have to build your own ships. The US will provide Colombia with $500 million in export credits mainly. Subject to adjustment as needed.

Remember, the US has been gearing up its production, but is still no where close to its wartime production capability. That will take a couple of years.

US Army mobilization

moving to embarkation ports or loading
1st Army (General Chaffee commanding)
1st Cavalry Division (5,7,12,13 Cav regs), 2nd Cavalry Division (1,4,8,17 Cav regs), 3rd Cavalry Division (Montana/Wyoming/Texas/Tennessee National Guard), 4th Cavalry Division (Arizona/New Mexico/Utah/Colorado NG), 45th Infantry Division (Oklahoma/Arkansas?New Mexico NG), 36th Infantry Division (Texas NG), 2nd Cavalry Regiment (mechanized), 3rd Cavalry Regiment (mechanized), I Corps HQ, III Corps HQ, 2 tank battalions, 4 heavy artillery battalions (155 guns with trucks), sufficient additional trucks to fully motorize both infantry divisions

3rd Army (General Pershing commanding)
28th Infantry Division (Pennsylvania NG), 33rd Infantry Division (Vermont/Massachusetts/Maine NG) 34th Infantry Division (Minnesota NG), 38th Infantry Division (Indiana NG), 42nd Infantry Division (New York NG), 43rd Infantry Division (Illinois NG), 6 tank battalions, 8 heavy artillery battalions (155 with trucks), sufficient additional trucks to motorize 2 infantry divisions

Panama Division is redesignated as the 23rd Infantry Division and is loaded aboard ships bound for the Philippines. The Hawaiian Division and Philippine Division are redesignated as the 24th and 25th Divisions and the 24th is loaded aboard ships bound for the Philippines. The 40th (California NG) is sent to Hawaii, the 29th Infantry Division (Virginia/Maryland NG) is sent to Panama and the 31st Infantry Division (Georgia/Louisiana/Alabama) is sent to the Philippines as well. These units all form the 6th Army, under General MacArthur (ooc, yes, he would actually be a general at this point, but none of these divisions will reach their destinations, except for the division going to Panama, until early September.. the Pacific is big ocean.

1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th, 8th, 9th and 10th Infantry divisions (all regular army units) provide cadres to form 20 new divisions (to be designated). They will receive and train new inductees and volunteers entering the army. Training camps are hurriedly set up all over the country to train the influx of new recruits for these 30 divisions (including the regular divisions now reduced to 1/3 strength)

30th (NC/SC NG) and 44th (NJ NG) Infantry Divisions form a strategic reserve. In Alaska, the regular and national guard units there form the Alaskan Division (as yet unnumbered).

The US 2nd Fleet, assembling at Norfolk, begins loading aircraft aboard three of the carriers. They will carry 180 aircraft on their flight decks, plus their own aircraft (in their hanger deck) across the Atlantic. They will also cover the steaming of two large convoys carrying the nearly 400,000 men loading at embarkation ports all along the US East Coast to their destinations.

The US 2nd Fleet, assembling at Norfolk, begins loading aircraft aboard three of the carriers. They will carry 180 aircraft on their flight decks, plus their own aircraft (in their hanger deck) across the Atlantic. They will also cover the steaming of two large convoys carrying the nearly 400,000 men loading at embarkation ports all along the US East Coast to their destinations.

by the way, the assembly and loading all begins in July and will continue through much of August before these armadas begin steaming to their destinations.

The US 2nd Fleet, assembling at Norfolk, begins loading aircraft aboard three of the carriers. They will carry 180 aircraft on their flight decks, plus their own aircraft (in their hanger deck) across the Atlantic. They will also cover the steaming of two large convoys carrying the nearly 400,000 men loading at embarkation ports all along the US East Coast to their destinations.

OOC:

I hope you mean 180 aircraft in total (60 planes to each carrier). There's no way a 1924 / 1925 carrier can carry 180 aircraft each carrier unless the carrier is 3 times the size of the Nimitz. Our largest RL carriers, the Nimitz, can only carry something like 50 - 80 aircraft each if I'm not mistaken.

OOC:

I hope you mean 180 aircraft in total (60 planes to each carrier). There's no way a 1924 / 1925 carrier can carry 180 aircraft each carrier unless the carrier is 3 times the size of the Nimitz. Our largest RL carriers, the Nimitz, can only carry something like 50 - 80 aircraft each if I'm not mistaken.

actually, the USS Lexington and its sister the Saratoga operated 100 plus aircraft all during the 20s and 30s... remember aircraft were a lot smaller then the current jets by a factor of roughly 3 or 4 to 1 in size. But I meant 180 aircraft overall, plus the usual 55 aircraft each they usually operate. The carrier planes are below decks in the hanger deck, while the ferried aircraft are on the flight deck and will conduct exactly one carrier take off each. Read on how the US ferried aircraft to North Africa during Operation Torch in November 1942. Incidently, the Nimitz class could operate up to 100 aircraft, but budget issues have kept airwings below 90 aircraft or even 75 in some cases since the end of the Cold War.

en route to Morocco --(by Carrier)
60 Army Martin MB2 bombers (5 squadrons), 60 Navy Curtis Seaplanes (torpedo/ASW patrol), 60 Marine / Navy (5 squadrons) Curtis P6 Hawk Fighters

crated and will be assembled in Morocco
300 P6 Curtis Hawk fighters (3 Groups / 9 squadrons from US Army)
300 Packard A3 Light attack (3 Groups / 9 squadrons from US Army)

All other US Army squadrons are providing cadres for the creation of new squadrons and will not be available for deployment. All US Navy seaplane squadrons are either conducting coastal patrol missions or being used for the Brazil blockade. US Navy and Marine squadrons are forming up airgroups or providing cadres for new squadrons. Some are being assigned to the Lexington and Saratoga which are nearly completed.

Allied Forces Morocco July – August 1924

Royal Moroccan Army
1st Spahi Division (horse cavalry) with 4 regiments cavalry, 4 batteries horse drawn 75 mm guns, plus pack train (6,000 men)
2nd Spahi Division (located in Spanish Morocco)
3rd Spahi Division (located in Spanish Morocco)
4th Spahi Division
5th Mountain Division with 3 regiments infantry, 3 batteries mountain (mule carried) 75 mm guns, plus pack train (10,000 men)
6th Mountain Division
7th Infantry Division with 3 regiments infantry, 3 battalions 75 mm guns (horse drawn), 1 battalion 105 mm guns (horse drawn), plus pack train (12,000 men)
8th Infantry Division (holding Cueta, Melilla, and Tangiers)
Coast Artillery group Tangiers – 4 x 12 inch seacoast mortars, 4 x 14 inch rifles, 12 x 8 inch rifles, 12 x 5 inch rifles, 12 x 3 inch anti aircraft, 30 x 50 caliber machine guns, 3000 men
Coast Artillery group Casablanca (as above)
Royal Guard Brigade with 1 regiment each cavalry and infantry

Royal Moroccan Air Force
30 JN4 Jenny trainers, 2,000 men, collocated with US Casablanca Military Airfield

US Forces Morocco
Naval Station Tangiers – 1,000 men, can handle all warships but is a refueling station primarily
Naval Station Casablanca – 2,000 men, has a drydock large enough to handle any ship 5,000 tons or smaller, plus a floating drydock able to handle 10,000 tons or smaller. Refueling station, logistics center
Naval Air Station Tangiers – Seaplane dock, 4,000 foot concrete runway, hangers and control tower, US Marine 7th Defense battalion with 8 x 3 inch anti aircraft guns, 20 x 50 caliber machine guns, 600 Marines plus 1,000 base personnel and aircrews
Casablanca Military Airfield and Seaplane base – seaplane dock, 4,000 foot concrete runway, hangers and control tower, logistics center, US Army 230th Coast Artillery group with 24 x 3 inch guns, 24 x 50 caliber machine guns, 2,100 men plus 2,000 base personnel and aircrews. Also home base for Royal Moroccan Air Force
24th Cavalry Regiment (Colored)(horse cavalry) 2,000 men
US Military Assistance Group Morocco – 10,000 Advisors and support personnel
US Navy Hospital Casablanca and US Army Hospital Casablanca

US 6th Fleet headquarters--- Admiral Fletcher Pratt commanding
plus Marine 1st Expeditionary Brigade (3rd, 9th Marine regiments) currently occupying Canary Islands

Guarding the Algerian border are Moroccan troops consisting of the 1st and 4th Spahi Division, plus the 6th Mountain Division. The US 24th Cavalry regiment is also on the border.

How many can fit into a landing craft? How much does one landing craft cost?

In a secret US laboratory Telsa begins refining his newest idea... radar
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikola_Tesla

although he is becoming increasingly insane, his ideas are well worth the difficulties in working with him, and the US Navy begins spending enormous sums on his project (ooc 1 resource point a turn). In addition, another idea of his, a VTOL aircraft, is sent to Curtis, Boeing and Martin aircraft for further study.

Christies M28 tank is also developed into a new cavalry vehicle equipped with a 50 caliber machine gun and designed to carry a crew of 3 plus 6 infantry or cavalry troopers. Although somewhat unreliable initially, its light armor, decent firepower, and 40 mph speed as a tracked vehicle make it desirable as a principal vehicle for mechanized divisions.

The US also raises 10 Mechanized Divisions from the cadre of 10 mechanized cavalry units already raised. They will a division sized unit with 3 battalions of tanks (M11 tanks with 47 mm guns, 30 mph speed, light armor), 3 battalions of mechanized infantry in the new M28 Sheridan ACV, and 3 battalions of 75 mm guns mounted on the M28 chassis, plus an engineer battalion, an armored cavalry squadron (in armored cars), and a sizeable support and supply column. Each Mechanized corps with have 1 mechanized division and 2 divisions of infantry fully equipped with Ford, Studebaker and Cadallac 4 x 4 trucks. The mechanized corps are envisioned as units designed to travel fast and hit hard and operate much like the armies of Sherman, Sheridan, Jackson and Lee during the American Civil War.

The US has no interest in fighting a trench war if it can be avoided. To improve communications, each combat and support company will also have a radio equiped truck or armored vehicle so that the commanders can stay in constant communications.

1925
The US Army adopts the P26 Peashooter, a monoplane with an open cockpit, as its standard fighter plane. The Boeing B9 is adopted as the standard bomber. Several thousand of each are ordered, not only for the US Army Air Force, but also the Italian Air Force.

1925
The US Army adopts the P26 Peashooter, a monoplane with an open cockpit, as its standard fighter plane. The Boeing B9 is adopted as the standard bomber. Several thousand of each are ordered, not only for the US Army Air Force, but also the Italian Air Force.


japan is very interested in getting boeing to build a factory in Hiroshima to build such bombers like the boeing B-9


OOC:oooh the Irony

japan is very interested in getting boeing to build a factory in Hiroshima to build such bombers like the boeing B-9


OOC:oooh the Irony

The US government and Boeing aircraft agree to that

Top Level Secret Comminque to the United States
From: Greater China

Greetings.

I have been contemplating an evolution in the Chinese government, and I believe a democractic system would function well for China, given that China is a land of multiple ethnicities with the introduction of the Laoians, Cambodians, and Vietnamese.

I was wondering if the United States would be willing to send advisors on how to implement a democratic type of government, as I personally don't understand all the nuances and particulars of a democracy. I do not understand the concept of "checks and balances" that your newspapers apparently talk aboiut. Neither do I understand the concept of a Senate and House of Representatives that your nation apparently employs.

Please contact me whether China can count on American advice and assistance in democraticizing China.

Thank you.
~Emperor Guozu

The US government will authorize a visit to China by several consitutional scholars, a Supreme Court Justice, and a pair of economists.

SIC:

To: US Government
From: Syngman Rhee

Though our nation is neutral, and on High Alert, there is a large portion of our citizenry that wishes to aid in the destruction of the Communist threat. A group in my country wishes to fight the Russians and ensure that Korea will be made safe from their preying moves. Also, our forces need practical combat experience; our last conflict was policing the frontier and this will not do for a modern war.

To this end, we were wondering if you would consent to the formation of a Korean Volunteer Corps, with infantry and air units.

SIC:

To: US Government
From: Syngman Rhee

Though our nation is neutral, and on High Alert, there is a large portion of our citizenry that wishes to aid in the destruction of the Communist threat. A group in my country wishes to fight the Russians and ensure that Korea will be made safe from their preying moves. Also, our forces need practical combat experience; our last conflict was policing the frontier and this will not do for a modern war.

To this end, we were wondering if you would consent to the formation of a Korean Volunteer Corps, with infantry and air units.

ooc
for it to register as a unit we are talking about roughly 60,000 Koreans plus a steady stream of replacements. That would form a corps of 3 infantry divisions. The US agrees to ship them to the Philippines, and then equip them with US weapons and artillery and then ship them to where they are needed. However, they will be under either US or Japanese command depending on where they are sent. Any specific political restrictions you have also need to be given.

"The enemies of democracy are now all out in the open for all of us to see. The US government therefore asks that the Nations of Mexico, Nicuaragua, Costa Rica, Honduras, and El Salvador join in the war effort, along with Peru and Uruguay."

ooc
the US asks for help, this basically works out to be production points, and the US basically wants to be the exclusive market for their goods. This works out to 5 production points. Volunteers would be great as well, mainly for service in Spain as interpreters.

The US also plays the religion card, pointing out that the Socialists have invaded Italy, threatening Rome and the Pope himself. While the US has liberated Spain from the clutches of the Godless Socialists. Colombian assistance is also requested in persuading the neutral Central and South Americans to join in the crusade.

With diplomatic wheedling, the United States can gain half of the relevant Latin American production points effective January 1st, 1926.

As if you didn't have enough already.

With diplomatic wheedling, the United States can gain half of the relevant Latin American production points effective January 1st, 1926.

As if you didn't have enough already.

ooc
1 out of the 2 each turn will be going to Colombia, the other 1 will go to the US.

So there are five aye? So wouldn't that be 3 for US, 2 for Colombia?

The Revolutionary High Command calls for the true and fair nations of South America to resist the Imperialist Americans. Neutrality is golden in these trying times. Your countries will be no more than pawns in America's Vile Game. Your people will only go and die for America's gain.

Brazil would be unhappy at any South American nation aiding either sides war effort. It is our opinion that we should be a continent that has nothing to do with the troubles of Europe.

Brazil would be unhappy at any South American nation aiding either sides war effort. It is our opinion that we should be a continent that has nothing to do with the troubles of Europe.


OOC: thats why you had to be threatened invasion and blockade to get you not to fight.

ooc
for it to register as a unit we are talking about roughly 60,000 Koreans plus a steady stream of replacements. That would form a corps of 3 infantry divisions. The US agrees to ship them to the Philippines, and then equip them with US weapons and artillery and then ship them to where they are needed. However, they will be under either US or Japanese command depending on where they are sent. Any specific political restrictions you have also need to be given.

OOC: It looks like the Japanese accepted my offer already, so we'll have to turn down the US.

OOC: thats why you had to be threatened invasion and blockade to get you not to fight.


tsk tsk take it tongue in cheek buddy. all governments are hypocritical.

So there are five aye? So wouldn't that be 3 for US, 2 for Colombia?

we get half of the available points, which round down to 2

The US Army and the Curtis aircraft company begin desgning a fast, low wing monopolane with retractable landing gear, an enclosed cockpit, and would be able to catch the new B10 bombers, which can outrun most fighters currently in service. The USAAF figures if they can put an aircraft in service that can outrun most fighters, so will the Pact eventually.

(ooc the P36 Hawk, now a year away from production)

The US Army and Navy begin demobilization of the 8 million men in the Army and the 3 million men in the Navy.

However, construction continues on 10 aircraft carriers, and the Navy also orders 2 more North Carolina class battleships and 10 more Brooklyn class light cruisers. Wartime lessons are also studied for development of improved destroyers and submarines and more capable amphibious warfare craft and ships.

The Army plans to reduce from its war time peak of 91 divisions back down to 15 Regular and 30 National Guard divisions, plus garrison commands for Manila Bay, Panama, Oahu, and the newly developed fleet base at Truk Atoll in the Caroline islands.

The Army and Navy both announce competitions for better fighters, bombers and transport aircraft as well.

President Cox defends the continued relatively high levels of defense spending by pointing out that although France and Spain were completely defeated, a negotiated peace brought about the end of the war with Russia, China and Germany, and past history indicates that a strong army and navy are absolutely needed.

In addition, he points out that continued defense spending will help cushion the economy so that it can more easily absorb the return civilian employment of nearly 8 million workers.

London Treaty Alliance as of July 1, 1926 (the end of the war)
USA
UK
Australia
New Zealand
Canada
South Africa
Colombia
Portugal
India
Italy
Algeria
Morocco
Iceland (which includes Greenland)

Treaty membership is offered to the following nations Postwar:
Belgium
Burgundy
Peru
Mexico
Uruguay
Siam
the Netherlands (the Dutch are reminded that treaty status would help them protect the Dutch East Indies)
Venezuela
Virgin Islands

London Treaty Alliance is strictly a military mutual defense treaty, calling for all of the treaty signatories to defend one another if one or more is attacked.

The United States also seeks to reaffirm the Pan American Treaty and approaches the following nations to sign it again or sign it this time:
Chile
Peru
Ecuador
Bolivia
Colombia
Venezuela
Hondorus
Costa Rica
Guatamala
Nicaruaga
Mexico
Argentina
Brazil
Paraguay
Bolivia
the Netherlands
Virgin Islands

new version of Pan American Treaty calls for the rejection of the use of military force in the Americas except in self defense or the defense of a treaty nation attacked by another nation, and the reduced trade barriers or the elimination of them. Also calls for self determination for all colonies in the Americas, with them receiving autonomy or independence within 10 years of the date of the new version of the treaty, or continued affiliation with the nations that they are currently affeliated with if a free vote determines that is what is desired by the majority of the inhabitants. Also makes provision for the annexation or union of nations if a vote by the majority of the inhabitants of both nations agree to it.

Finally, the Pan American Treaty remains first and foremost a treaty of mutual defense.

Former Premier Kirov, at his own insistence among the last of the Pact POWs to be returned to their homelands, thanks President Cox for his hospitality.

"He must allow me to return the favor sometime," he remarks.

OOC: Whoa! You can't have Burgundy and Belgium join the LTA. They are neutral, and unless you decide to ignore that "scrap of paper," which would then nullify anything we did earlier.

The government of Chile confirms it's accession to the LTA.

Parthini']OOC: Whoa! You can't have Burgundy and Belgium join the LTA. They are neutral, and unless you decide to ignore that "scrap of paper," which would then nullify anything we did earlier.

Was that the scrap of paper the Pact ignored when they invaded and conquered both countries?

London Treaty Alliance membership is offered to the following nations Postwar:
Belgium
Burgundy
Peru
Mexico
Uruguay
Siam
the Netherlands (the Dutch are reminded that treaty status would help them protect the Dutch East Indies)
Venezuela
Virgin Islands

London Treaty Alliance is strictly a military mutual defense treaty, calling for all of the treaty signatories to defend one another if one or more is attacked.
Belgium would definitely join, as would Mexico and Uruguay. Venezuela is about to get absorbed by Colombia - this would alarm Peru, but the Peruvian government is still likely to regard the US as a lesser evil than the Union, and will probably join.

Siam probably would not. Although there were repeated rumors of projected Chinese invasions, Siam never came under an actual threat, and is likely to mistrust the British and not believe it can rely on the Americans.

The Netherlands and Burgundy are tougher calls. The Dutch are fairly Left-Liberal, and have never been directly menaced by the Pact, though the example of Belgium looks pretty ugly. On the other hand, the example of Denmark doesn't look so bad. I expect the Dutch will try to keep their options open. They have an offer for the DEI from Japan right now, so that's going to complicate things, too, I think.

The Burgundians are in a bad position. I can't imagine there being widespread pro-Pact sentiment (it'd be different if we'd been there long enough to do some nationa-building). But they were overrun almost instantly. On the other hand, so was France.

I expect they'd be very reluctant, but the Burgundians would probably take it. Especially since France is supposedly neutral, now.

The Virgin Islands are irrelevant. Cuba, however, would probably ask to be included (since they don't seem to be already).

As for the Pan-Am Treaty, I think probably everyone would sign it but the players who can make their own decisions.

Belgium would definitely join, as would Mexico and Uruguay. Venezuela is about to get absorbed by Colombia - this would alarm Peru, but the Peruvian government is still likely to regard the US as a lesser evil than the Union, and will probably join.

Siam probably would not. Although there were repeated rumors of projected Chinese invasions, Siam never came under an actual threat, and is likely to mistrust the British and not believe it can rely on the Americans.

The Netherlands and Burgundy are tougher calls. The Dutch are fairly Left-Liberal, and have never been directly menaced by the Pact, though the example of Belgium looks pretty ugly. On the other hand, the example of Denmark doesn't look so bad. I expect the Dutch will try to keep their options open. They have an offer for the DEI from Japan right now, so that's going to complicate things, too, I think.

The Burgundians are in a bad position. I can't imagine there being widespread pro-Pact sentiment (it'd be different if we'd been there long enough to do some nationa-building). But they were overrun almost instantly. On the other hand, so was France.

I expect they'd be very reluctant, but the Burgundians would probably take it. Especially since France is supposedly neutral, now.

The Virgin Islands are irrelevant. Cuba, however, would probably ask to be included (since they don't seem to be already).

As for the Pan-Am Treaty, I think probably everyone would sign it but the players who can make their own decisions.


works for me... although I don't see the Dutch giving up on the Dutch East Indies readily. Historically they fought to try to keep it after World War II for 3 years before exhaustion caused them to give up. I would expect them to say no to Japan and hope that the Americans and British will defend them if someone tries to take it by force. Besides, the historical defense of the Dutch East Indies was marked by notable Dutch stubborness and bravery until they were overwhelmed at the Battle of the Java Sea.

The Dutch are proud and have been an independent country with a proud history. If not the LTA, they would certainly remain neutral in my view.

London Treaty Alliance as of July 1, 1926 (the end of the war)
USA
UK
Australia
New Zealand
Canada
South Africa
Colombia
Portugal
India
Italy
Algeria
Morocco
Iceland (which includes Greenland)

Treaty membership is offered to the following nations Postwar:
Belgium -- added (unless player returns and says no)
Burgundy -- added
Peru -- added
Mexico -- added
Uruguay -- added
Siam -- doesn't join
the Netherlands (the Dutch are reminded that treaty status would help them protect the Dutch East Indies) (to be determined)
Venezuela (part of Colombia now)
Virgin Islands -- added

London Treaty Alliance is strictly a military mutual defense treaty, calling for all of the treaty signatories to defend one another if one or more is attacked.

The United States also seeks to reaffirm the Pan American Treaty and approaches the following nations to sign it again or sign it this time:
Chile -- reaffirmed
Peru -- reaffirmed
Ecuador
Bolivia
Colombia-- reaffirmed
Venezuela (part of Colombia)
Hondorus -- reaffirmed
Costa Rica -- reaffirmed
Guatamala -- reaffirmed
Nicaruaga -- reaffirmed
Mexico-- reaffirmed
Argentina
Brazil
Paraguay
Bolivia
the Netherlands
Virgin Islands -- reaffirmed

new version of Pan American Treaty calls for the rejection of the use of military force in the Americas except in self defense or the defense of a treaty nation attacked by another nation, and the reduced trade barriers or the elimination of them. Also calls for self determination for all colonies in the Americas, with them receiving autonomy or independence within 10 years of the date of the new version of the treaty, or continued affiliation with the nations that they are currently affeliated with if a free vote determines that is what is desired by the majority of the inhabitants. Also makes provision for the annexation or union of nations if a vote by the majority of the inhabitants of both nations agree to it.

Finally, the Pan American Treaty remains first and foremost a treaty of mutual defense.

updated, with another update later once additional answers received

The US Army Industrial College sets up research facilities to apply some of the lessons of the last war at Muroc Airbase, Langley Field, and Fort Knox. The Navy also sets up research facilities at Anacosta Naval Air Station and in a joint project with Edison and Westinghouse labs at MIT.

President Franklin Roosevelt decides to run for a second term. Plans are made to improve civil aviation and the national highway system.

In the Great Plains, drought continues, and a new farm relief program is debated in Congress. However for many farmers, its too late and they leave the land and move to places like California to start anew (based on the Dust Bowl, which is a natural disaster as much as an economic one, and pretty much inevitable).

For what it's worth, my opinion is that the Dutch won't join the LTA in 1932. Historically, it took being conquered by the Germans in WWII for them to align with an alliance.

For what it's worth, my opinion is that the Dutch won't join the LTA in 1932. Historically, it took being conquered by the Germans in WWII for them to align with an alliance.

probably true at to the Dutch, which is why the Belgians and Burgundians did join the LTA (as their neighbors were extremely rude during the war)

Colombia, and by extension, Venezeula, will sign the Pan-Am treaty.

ooc: So GB, do I get my Fighter now?

Colombia, and by extension, Venezeula, will sign the Pan-Am treaty.

ooc: So GB, do I get my Fighter now?

send me the specs and picture again

To: The United States
From: Pietro Badoglio, Chief of Staff for the Italian army

Italy thanks the United States for sending its troops in Italy's hour of need, and we hope that peace will finally settle over Europe. However, in the likely case that this will not happen, we feel it is best to prepare for another world war. Italy, therefore, proposes that we conduct joint exercises with all LTA nations to ensure cooperation and familiarity. Finally, we propose that we share military technology.

The Senate ratifies the continued US involvement in both the Pan American Treaty and the London Treaty Alliance. The Roosevelt Administration, with the approval of Congress, authorizes the transfer of radar and communications technology to the Italians, the British, the Canadians and the Australians, and the CNO orders the US 6th Fleet out of Morocco to continue its annual fleet problem with the Italian and British navies.

The 1933 budget is discussed in Congress and the White House, and a tentative increase in taxes and some deficit spending is authorized. Plans are made to double spending from last year (US going from low spending to normal spending or 70 points to 140 points).

The Roosevelt Administration, with the approval of Congress, authorizes the transfer of radar and communications technology to the Italians, the British, the Canadians and the Australians, and the CNO orders the US 6th Fleet out of Morocco to continue its annual fleet problem with the Italian and British navies.

OOC: Well. I feel left out.

ooc: Me too...

ooc: Me too...

the US government will pass on technology advances to the Colombians, but has misgivings over the close ties that South Africa has with Argentina, and the ties that Argentina has with Japan. On the other hand, the South Africans were in France alongside US and British troops, so radar and tactical voice radio will be passed on.

the US government will pass on technology advances to the Colombians, but has misgivings over the close ties that South Africa has with Argentina, and the ties that Argentina has with Japan. On the other hand, the South Africans were in France alongside US and British troops, so radar and tactical voice radio will be passed on.


OOC: wow, Your treating me as if I'm in the pact. how sweet. so I went from allie to total enemy? kind of flattering actually.


But we still haven't figured out what the Relations between Empire of Nippon and Japan will be post war. I have no problem with the US, but I am not willing to fight for their goals(hmmm kind of like france in NATO eh?)

The British Government kindly thanks the Americans for passing on data relevent to Tactical Communications and Radar. In return they pass on information in relation to Strategic Bombing, this is also sent to the Commonwealth nations and Colombia.

The MoD also approves continued military exercises with the US and Italian navies with the British Mediteranean Fleet and some ships of the Atlantic and Home Fleets.

the US government will pass on technology advances to the Colombians, but has misgivings over the close ties that South Africa has with Argentina, and the ties that Argentina has with Japan. On the other hand, the South Africans were in France alongside US and British troops, so radar and tactical voice radio will be passed on.

The UoSA thanks the United States for the gift of this technology, and reminds the American government that so long as Communist states exist, the London Treaty Alliance will be South Africa's foremost international obligation.

Argentina's diplomat to the United States has a tendancy to quickly change the subject whenever the Pan American Treaty is brought up. When finally confronted on the subject his reply is that while Argentina is not going to reject or oppose the treaty, they are under no circumstances going to sign it, and mutters something under his breath about "Argentine Autonomy", "violation of soverignty" and "Venezuela" when he doesn't think anyone is listening.

Various Hungarian industrialists, with quiet government support, begin approaching American corporations about joint business and about opening factories in Hungary. They remind the American companies that when the Hungarian government and business bought various weapons from them, weapons that were never released to the general public, the guns never found their way to the Warsaw Pact or were leaked to the black market. They also claim to have Premier Nagy’s and Kaiser Maximilian’s support in the matter and their promise of quiet tax breaks if they do open businesses or factories in Hungary.

The State Department will authorize US commercial investment in Hungary

The Mexican Government wants to set up a treaty with the American Government. We would like to improve the foreign relations with your country.

To: United States State Department
From: Inukai Tsuyoshi, Prime Minister of the Empire of Nippon
RE: Relations.

We wish to reenter our Commericial agreements with your great nation, after our last unpleasantness we don't feel the need for the current chilly relations that our two great nations endure. Given the proximity of our territories to each other, chilly relations like these can only lead to further unpleasantness. Our two nations had a disagreement on the coduct of the last war, but we still made no overt or covert action against your government and do not feel the severance of relations between our nations to be just.

To: United States State Department
From: Inukai Tsuyoshi, Prime Minister of the Empire of Nippon
RE: Relations.

We wish to reenter our Commericial agreements with your great nation, after our last unpleasantness we don't feel the need for the current chilly relations that our two great nations endure. Given the proximity of our territories to each other, chilly relations like these can only lead to further unpleasantness. Our two nations had a disagreement on the coduct of the last war, but we still made no overt or covert action against your government and do not feel the severance of relations between our nations to be just.

From Cordell Hull, Secretary of State
To Inukai Tsuyoshi, Prime Minister of the Empire of Nippon
The United States government is always willing to continue its long standing commercial relationship with Japan and is willing to renew existing trade and commercial treaties (ooc which still remain in effect, see economics thread).

In Congress, the Republicans are outratged when France announces its intention to rejoin the Warsaw Pact, citing the peace treaty ending the war.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=9890726&postcount=427

Roosevelt is forced to announce a big defense buildup in order to keep pet projects like the Tennessee Valley Authority and legislation creating unemployment insurance, junior colleges and the Food Stamp program.

Just as seriously, the Republicans begin demanding the US pull out of the League of Nations and the Roosevelt Administration is forced to examine the issue closely.

The French government cooly informs the US that that particular provision of the treaty is now null and void, due to Article V, Section 5 of the League of Nations Charter.


V.5 National sovereignty is defined as the right to form an independent government and maintain laws. No nation or organization may interfere with another nation's sovereignty unless it is a voluntary compact between the people, or representatives of the people, of the involved parties. Soverignty is also defined as the right to decide the country's own foriegn policy. No nation may prevent any other from making treaties or trade agreements with another nation.

The French government cooly informs the US that that particular provision of the treaty is now null and void, due to Article V, Section 5 of the League of Nations Charter.

The United States doesn't accept that interpretation of the League of Nations. In the opinion of the United States, the treaty that created the League also insisted that France honor its previous treaty with the United States. Failure of France to honor that treaty breaks the treaty that creates the League of Nations, calling into question the entire legality of the League itself.

In addition, the US pays for (at three times the usual rate) for advertising space in French newspapers and radio stations to lay out the case for continued French neutrality. The French signed an honorable agreement, the United States did pay substantial reparations post war (ooc, rebuilt most of French industry), and did provide extremely lenient peace terms with France (as compared to German terms after the Franco Prussian War for example). In addition, US and French relations have been polite since the war, and the current French government is endangering those relations for no good reason that the US can see.

ooc
the US intends to make the French government defend itself to the French people, which according to your previous post in the French thread doesn't have an overwhelming majority.

Yugoslavia cannot see the US reasoning behind the fact that France would want access to technology and economic markets that the Pact represents. France joining the Pact should not make it an enemy of the USA, but for some reason the United States see's it this way. The LTA is more of a threat to the Pact than the Pact to the LTA, and yet the LTA seems to go on thinking that the Pact is some grand alliance to destroy the good people of the west.

Why must the USA see the Pact as it's enemy? I think the US should not question the League of Nations, but the London Treaty Alliance. The League has only the worlds interest in mind, while the LTA is an outdated alliance that seems to instigate problems and crisis after crisis.

Yugoslavia cannot see the US reasoning behind the fact that France would want access to technology and economic markets that the Pact represents. France joining the Pact should not make it an enemy of the USA, but for some reason the United States see's it this way. The LTA is more of a threat to the Pact than the Pact to the LTA, and yet the LTA seems to go on thinking that the Pact is some grand alliance to destroy the good people of the west.

Why must the USA see the Pact as it's enemy? I think the US should not question the League of Nations, but the London Treaty Alliance. The League has only the worlds interest in mind, while the LTA is an outdated alliance that seems to instigate problems and crisis after crisis.

The Yugoslav telegram is politely received. The US points out in return that if France were interested in a simple commercial treaty, the US would not have objected. However, as the Warsaw Pact is a military as well as commercial alliance, the US continues to feel that France is breaking the peace treaty. The US also points out that the LTA provides military security for its members, just as the Warsaw Pact does for its members, and invites Yugoslavia to withdraw from its commitment to the Pact if it feels that military alliances are outdated.

The United States doesn't accept that interpretation of the League of Nations. In the opinion of the United States, the treaty that created the League also insisted that France honor its previous treaty with the United States. Failure of France to honor that treaty breaks the treaty that creates the League of Nations, calling into question the entire legality of the League itself.

In addition, the US pays for (at three times the usual rate) for advertising space in French newspapers and radio stations to lay out the case for continued French neutrality. The French signed an honorable agreement, the United States did pay substantial reparations post war (ooc, rebuilt most of French industry), and did provide extremely lenient peace terms with France (as compared to German terms after the Franco Prussian War for example). In addition, US and French relations have been polite since the war, and the current French government is endangering those relations for no good reason that the US can see.

ooc
the US intends to make the French government defend itself to the French people, which according to your previous post in the French thread doesn't have an overwhelming majority.

The Soviet Directorate of Public Communications will respond in kind to the American advertising blitz, citing the right of every nation to provide for its own defense, the longstanding legality of amending treaties by general consent, and the purely defensive obligations of the Warsaw Pact, as well as none-too-subtly reminding readers and listeners how the Red Army fought for French liberty against the American invaders.

Meanwhile, the Soviet ambassador to Washington is instructed to sound out the Americans on the possibility of concluding a formal Non-Agression Pact between the two leading powers, and moreover, to request that a Summit be held between the American and Soviet Presidents as soon as President Radek returns from Okinawa.

The Soviet Directorate of Public Communications will respond in kind to the American advertising blitz, citing the right of every nation to provide for its own defense, the longstanding legality of amending treaties by general consent, and the purely defensive obligations of the Warsaw Pact, as well as none-too-subtly reminding readers and listeners how the Red Army fought for French liberty against the American invaders.

Meanwhile, the Soviet ambassador to Washington is instructed to sound out the Americans on the possibility of concluding a formal Non-Agression Pact between the two leading powers, and moreover, to request that a Summit be held between the American and Soviet Presidents as soon as President Radek returns from Okinawa.

The US response to amending treaties is that normally it would require the consent of both parties, something the US was not even consulted on.

However, President Roosevelt is willing to meet with President Radek, and the US government suggests Bermuda (due to the fact that President Roosevelt has a medical condition that makes travel difficult).

The US response to amending treaties is that normally it would require the consent of both parties, something the US was not even consulted on.

However, President Roosevelt is willing to meet with President Radek, and the US government suggests San Francisco (due to the fact that President Roosevelt has a medical condition that makes travel difficult).
The Soviet government responds that San Francisco is an acceptable venue for the conference. President Radek has already (late December) left Okinawa by airship, and will arrive at the summit as soon as travel time allows.

Colombia would like to inform the United States that a gift of 45 points would be very welcome... or any points in fact.

Colombia would like to inform the United States that a gift of 45 points would be very welcome... or any points in fact.

The US government is curious why Colombia needs that kind of assistance, as that kind of 'gift' is equal to 100% of the Colombian economy.

Colombia needs to maximize its trade potential by expanding its merchant marine base, in order to take advantage of the opportunties representing themselves which would allow Gran Colombia to further treat its Citizens in first class conditions, whilst also retaining its commitments to the London Treaty Alliance by maintaining a strong military.

The entire Colombian Navy is set to be rebuilt, around two Fleet Carriers and four light Carriers.

**Colombia is also willing to pay back the 45p

France responds to the American advertising blitz with their own, alongside Russia's. It points out that France is and always has been a soverign nation and that if it allows foriegn powers to control its policies then it might as well be a puppet of that nation. (This is basically an appeal to French pride.) It also talks about the Warsaw Pact being for Europe, not against America. And it also goes into detail about Russian, German, Yugoslavian, and Czech soldiers bleeding and dieing to protect France alongside French soldiers (It also makes mention of Kirov).

Op-Ed writers in the United States are somewhat concerned about the French decision to violate the peace treaty, although some point out the as France was a member of the LTA when it declared war on the United States, perhaps they will not be a particularly solid asset to the Warsaw Pact either.

The French governemnt, after some consultation and debate, has issued a statement to the effect that they will withdraw from the Pact again if the idea of a nation exhibiting its soverign rights so upsets the United States that it would wthdraw from the League of Nations. It also notes that the United States seems to be afraid of a nation that could not possibly attack the United States even if it wanted to.

However, the French government has contacted the Soviet and other Pact governments about the possibility of trade agreements.

So.. 'bout those loans

So.. 'bout those loans

The US can't do it this year, but next year the US is planning to provide assistance. Probably pay for the maintenance of your military next year and maybe some other aid.

That would be quite nice.

Communique to the White House
Esteemed President of the USA(OOC:I dont know who your president is currently),
I, Indalecio Prieto Tuero, President of the newly formed Peoples Republic of Spain, hereby request an audience with you to discuss the relations between our nations and possible trade and cooperation. We, of course, have no interest in joining the London Treaty Alliance yet we do not wish to maintain the strained relations we currently have with the US. Please respond as quickly as possible.

Presidente Tuero, The Peoples republic of Spain

Amid large protests by the city's Chinese population, and counter-protests by Wobblies and, soon, the city's Japanese population, Soviet President Radek arrives by airship for high-level talks with President Roosevelt.

Communique to the White House
Esteemed President of the USA(OOC:I dont know who your president is currently),
I, Indalecio Prieto Tuero, President of the newly formed Peoples Republic of Spain, hereby request an audience with you to discuss the relations between our nations and possible trade and cooperation. We, of course, have no interest in joining the London Treaty Alliance yet we do not wish to maintain the strained relations we currently have with the US. Please respond as quickly as possible.

Presidente Tuero, The Peoples republic of Spain

ooc
Franklin Delano Roosevelt is currently in his second term of office.

IC
Cordell Hull, Secretary of State
The United States is interested in improved relations with Spain. Since the terrible war of a few years ago the US has felt that relations had improved significantly. (ooc, remember, the US rebuilt Spanish industry post war). Although the US certainly understands Spanish desire for neutrality, the London Treaty Alliance is certainly not meant to be a threat to Spain. It was created to defend the members of that Alliance from a definite threat from other nations. In any case, the President of Spain is welcome to come to the United States for a state visit. For reasons of health, President Roosevelt is unable to travel at this time.

Amid large protests by the city's Chinese population, and counter-protests by Wobblies and, soon, the city's Japanese population, Soviet President Radek arrives by airship for high-level talks with President Roosevelt.

President Roosevelt was waiting to meet him. Although in his wheelchair, the camera crews artfully shot around that in deference to him (ooc as they did historically on a routine basis). "Welcome to the United States Mr President, it appears we have much to discuss." FDR said with his trademark smile.

Radek returns a rueful, ironic grin, as he shakes Roosevelt's hand.

"So it does indeed, sir. So it does indeed."

ooc: cool

IC: Official Communique to Washington

I understand and thank you for your offer. Due to the transition to full democracy and other such events currently happening in my country I will not be able to attend a conference for perhaps two more weeks. At that time I will fly to Washington to meet with the Presidnet. I hope he gets better.

President Tuero, Peoples Republic of Spain

Radek returns a rueful, ironic grin, as he shakes Roosevelt's hand.

"So it does indeed, sir. So it does indeed."

The American and Union Presidents then convene to the Presidio (ooc which has one of the best views in the world and is stunningly beautiful in itself) for several hours of talks, the content of which are not released to the outside world. What is released is information on the Presidents touring the Golden Gate, where a new bridge spanning the entrance of San Francisco Bay is under construction, and a formal state dinner where the delicacies of California.. abalone, swordfish, fresh vegetables, and excellent wine are enjoyed by all, as well as beef from California ranches.

The Press is also given the information that the two Presidents discussed the situation in China, and improving relations in general between the United States and its allies and the Union and its allies to further peace in the world.

Should the situation in China expand, Australia would need an airforce to defend its borders. We are interested in modern aircraft designs for our pilots to fly if you are willing.

the US Pacific Fleet, with 6 carriers, 4 fast battleships, 18 cruisers, and 30 destroyers makes a stop in Sydney Australia in early April, Truk lagoon in mid June and Manila in late June. It will return home (California) in August.

Its the longest US fleet deployment since the 2nd Great War.

the United States makes available for export sale the P36 Hawk fighter and Lockheed Hudson light bomber / maritime patrol plane. Also offered for sale are hundreds of A12 Strike light / dive bombers, and Martin B10 medium bombers.

In addition, the various Auto Companies are authorized to make export sales for 4x4 trucks.

China, Vietnam, Korea, all LTA nations and any nation not formerly a member of the Warsaw Pact (as well as France) are given automatic approval for purchasing US made military vehicles and aircraft. US manufacturers are also authorized to take contracts for ammunition, equipment, clothing and rations for any of the above nations as well.

Colombia would like to purchase several thousand 4x4 Trucks. We would also like to inquire as to the performance of the P36 Hawk compared to our own indiginous aircraft.

Colombia would like to purchase several thousand 4x4 Trucks. We would also like to inquire as to the performance of the P36 Hawk compared to our own indiginous aircraft.

P36 Hawk
http://www.wpafb.af.mil/museum/research/p36.htm

about to enter service
P38 Lightning (interceptor/photo plane)
http://www.wpafb.af.mil/museum/research/p38.htm
P39 Airacobra (ground attack)
http://www.wpafb.af.mil/museum/research/p39.htm
P40 Warhawk (fighter)
http://www.wpafb.af.mil/museum/research/p40.htm

also in service A20 Havoc light bomber
http://www.wpafb.af.mil/museum/research/attack/a3/a3-2.htm
B17C
http://www.wpafb.af.mil/museum/research/bombers/b2-17.htm


entering service or in testing
B24
http://www.wpafb.af.mil/museum/research/bombers/b2-32.htm
B25
http://www.wpafb.af.mil/museum/research/bombers/b3-2.htm
and B26
http://www.wpafb.af.mil/museum/research/bombers/b3-15.htm

a pair of B19s are also flying as test beds
http://www.wpafb.af.mil/museum/research/bombers/b2-26.htm

the US Navy begins plans for the next carrier class, the Essex class, and an escort for them, the Iowa class battleship. Both are planned for construction beginning 1937.

For now the priority is destroyers, and an anti aircraft cruiser class.

The Army begins looking at better tanks, the M4 Sherman and the heavy assault tank. Neither are expected to enter production before 1937 either.

The Army Air Force and Navy Aviation watch the events in East Asia with great interest.

the US Navy makes plans to lay up the four old Theodore Roosevelt class light carriers, as well as the 5 remaining 14 inch gun battleships as replacements enter service.

Meanwhile, on the Domestic Front, the Democrats win the mid term elections ensuring Roosevelt retains control of the House. However, the Republicans have closed the gap in the Senate, ensuring that on some issues the Republicans can prevent a Democratic party from getting its way entirely.

One of the key issues that helped the Democrats was the announcement that the US Military would no longer allow segregation and that Blacks would be entitled to serve in any branch or job in the Army or Navy.

I would have thought the Democrats were still the party of segregation in the 'Thirties. Or did I misinterpret something?

Either way, though, the Soviet ambassador will compliment the American military on its stand for social progress.

I would have thought the Democrats were still the party of segregation in the 'Thirties. Or did I misinterpret something?

Southern Democrats are, but as the US is about 15 years ahead of where it was historically in Civil Rights, the Black vote is more important to the Democrat party than the Reactionary Democrat vote. The Republicans will get some gains soon.

Ah. That makes sense, then.

The Soviet ambassador (Maksim Litvinov) will also take the oportunity to indicate Warsaw's desire to reinstitute the cultural exchange program that existed prior to the Intercontinental War, and especially to include Germany and the Union's Asian territories in the scheme.

I want the Marx brothers and Jack Benny to do an All-Union tour. In other words, I want to trade Jewish comedians for awhile. You can have a circus or two, and Mongolian rope dancers, and and ballet and Shostakovich.

TO: US Government
From: Our Majesty Emperor Gang

As you are aware, Korea is trying to modernize itself, and become a nation that can thrive and compete in this world of ours. However, as it is, our infrastructure and other technological elements are lacking, and we are having trouble modernizing (for one, it is very expensive).

To this end, I would like to ask the American Government if they would be willing to help us modernize Korea. Assistance with technology, sanitation, education, etc. would be much appreciated.

OOC: Basically, I need more than a little help advancing from Tech Level 5 to Tech Level 6. That's the gist of the message.

after the Union declaration of war on Japan, President Roosevelt declares a state of emergency and federalizes the National Guard and Army Reserve, and submits a Selective Service Bill to Congress. It narrowly passes.

Meanwhile, south of the border, enraged by the adventurism of the current government and unwilling to throw away more troops, the Mexican Army launches a coup and ousts the current government. Several leaders are shot "resisting arrest."

A new more moderate government is then placed in power as long as it agrees to hold elections right away. Mexican troops en route to Asia are immediately recalled. However, the agreement to provide Japan with 9 build points (oil in this case) remains in effect. That agreement will not be renewed however.

TO: US Government
From: Our Majesty Emperor Gang

As you are aware, Korea is trying to modernize itself, and become a nation that can thrive and compete in this world of ours. However, as it is, our infrastructure and other technological elements are lacking, and we are having trouble modernizing (for one, it is very expensive).

To this end, I would like to ask the American Government if they would be willing to help us modernize Korea. Assistance with technology, sanitation, education, etc. would be much appreciated.

OOC: Basically, I need more than a little help advancing from Tech Level 5 to Tech Level 6. That's the gist of the message.

ooc
the US sends a polite "we will get back to you on this in January" to the Korean government.

P36 Hawk
http://www.wpafb.af.mil/museum/research/p36.htm

about to enter service
P38 Lightning (interceptor/photo plane)
http://www.wpafb.af.mil/museum/research/p38.htm
P39 Airacobra (ground attack)
http://www.wpafb.af.mil/museum/research/p39.htm
P40 Warhawk (fighter)
http://www.wpafb.af.mil/museum/research/p40.htm

also in service A20 Havoc light bomber
http://www.wpafb.af.mil/museum/research/attack/a3/a3-2.htm
B17C
http://www.wpafb.af.mil/museum/research/bombers/b2-17.htm


entering service or in testing
B24
http://www.wpafb.af.mil/museum/research/bombers/b2-32.htm
B25
http://www.wpafb.af.mil/museum/research/bombers/b3-2.htm
and B26
http://www.wpafb.af.mil/museum/research/bombers/b3-15.htm

a pair of B19s are also flying as test beds
http://www.wpafb.af.mil/museum/research/bombers/b2-26.htm


all aircraft designs about to enter service or in testing recieve orders beginning 1935. In addition, the proposed intercontinental bomber project is ordered forward (predecessor to the B29 and B36 projects)

Manila
1 fortification, 1 garrison unit (converting), 1 flak unit, 1 coast artillery unit, 2 fighter units (P40), 1 bomber unit (B17C), 1 Naval air unit (PBY), 4 pilots
Apari
1 HQ, 2 motorized infantry corps, 1 bomber unit (A20), 1 pilot

Truk
1 fortification, 1 garrison unit (converting) 1 flak unit, 1 coast artillery unit, 1 fighter unit (P40), 1 Naval air unit (PBY),

Saipan
1 Naval air unit (PBY), 1 fighter unit (P40), 1 garrison unit (converting)

Kwajalein
1 Naval air unit (PBY)

Oahu
1 fortification, 1 motorized infantry corps, 1 flak unit, 1 coast defense artillery unit, 3 fighter units (P40), 1 Naval air unit (PBY),

Panama
1 fortification, 1 coast artillery unit, 1 flak unit, 1 garrison unit (converting), 1 fighter unit (P40), 2 bomber units (A20) 3 pilots,

Iceland
1 motorized infantry corps, 1 fighter unit (P40), 1 pilot

Casablanca
1 fighter unit (P40), 1 pilot

Continental US
3 HQ units, 6 garrison units (converting), 2 armored corps, 6 mechanized corps, 1 motorized corps, 4 motorized corps (converting), 1 mountain corps, 2 field artillery units (converting), 4 field artillery units, 6 flak units, 6 coast artillery units,

2 air transport units (DC3), 5 bomber units (A20), 9 pilots

US 7th Fleet (Manila)
Heavy cruisers Houston, Astoria Light cruisers Luzon, Mindanao, Paney, Cebu, Samar, Guam, 2 light ships (20 destroyers), 2 submarine units (20 tech level 6 submarines)

US 5th Fleet (Honolulu)
Heavy cruisers Vincennes, Indianapolis, Northhampton, Chicago, Light cruisers Omaha,, Milwaukee, 2 light ships (20 destroyers),



US 1st Fleet (Panama)
Battleships Tennesse, New Mexico, Mississippi, Idaho, Pennsylvania, Light carriers George Washington, Theodore Roosevelt, William Mckinley, Abraham Lincoln, light cruisers Cincinnati, Marblehead, Trenton, Detroit, 5 light ships (75 destroyer escorts), 1 amphibious fleet, 1 Marine Corps

US 3rd Fleet (US West Coast)
Carriers Lexington, Saratoga, heavy cruisers Chester, Pensacola, anti aircraft cruisers Juneau, Atlanta, 2 light ships (20 destroyers), 5 transport units

US 6th Fleet (Casablanca)
Battleships Colorado, Maryland, West Virginia, light cruisers Concord, Richmond, Memphis, 1 light ship (15 destroyer escorts), 2 submarine units (20 submarines),

US 2nd Fleet (US East Coast)
Battleships North Carolina, Washington, Alabama, Massachusetts, carriers Enterprise, Yorktown, Hornet, Wasp, Ranger, heavy cruisers Salt Lake City, Quincy, Portland, Tuscaloosa, Newport News, Salem, Wichita, Albany, Baltimore, light cruisers Brooklyn, Savannah, Philadelphia, Nashville, Boise, 4 light ships (60 destroyer escorts), 4 transport units



http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10083374&postcount=782

Top-Secret:

Moderate Elements in the Hungarian Government, increasingly nervous over what they see as blind loyalty to the two nations that disemboweled their nation, quietly approach the American Government about possible American aid to Hungary to show an alternative to massive dependence on Russia, and even some overtones are made about America possibly funding a moderate coup in Hungary.

Ooc: these are extremely limited and do not have the majority of the support of the people. However, if Hungary suffers heavy losses during the war, this might change.

Top-Secret:

Moderate Elements in the Hungarian Government, increasingly nervous over what they see as blind loyalty to the two nations that disemboweled their nation, quietly approach the American Government about possible American aid to Hungary to show an alternative to massive dependence on Russia, and even some overtones are made about America possibly funding a moderate coup in Hungary.

Ooc: these are extremely limited and do not have the majority of the support of the people. However, if Hungary suffers heavy losses during the war, this might change.

the US officials approached listen with polite interest but make no promises or committments.

the FBI, under Hoover, easily discovers this (ooc they have the responsibility for Latin American intelligence gathering at this point in history). But Hoover doesn't take it seriously and fails to act on the information or inform anyone not in the FBI. (ooc, I hate Hoover and will use this chance to get rid of the bastard when the situation blows up).
SIC
A Soviet "diplomat" about to depart Washington on rotation will inform the US State Department of the Hungarians' plans, along with the fact that Budapest's scheme was not approved by Warsaw, nor was the latter even consulted. Some vague references to "concerns" about the current Hungarian leadership are dropped.

OoC: I hate Hoover, too - happy to help.

New York Times February 1935
"State Department officials applaud today the peaceful resolution of the long standing dispute between Argentina and the British Empire regarding the Falkland Islands, known as the Malvinas by the Argentines. A spokesman praised the resolution as a model that could well be examined by Asian countries."

another article
"A cease fire was signed today between Japan and the Union, ending skirmishes between those 2 nations in the Sea of Japan. The Japanese and French have also agreed to a cease fire, but no word yet on whether the new Chinese government will agree to one."

in the economics pages
"Pan American Airways announced today that its regular air service aboard the giant China Clipper Flying Boats will continue to Japan, the Philippines, Singapore and Australia, and new routes to Britain, Portugal, and Italy have been added. Travellers willing to pay the price can now fly from New York City to Rome in a mere 3 days, including stopovers in the Azores and Casablanca."

The FBI, under Hoover, easily discovers this (ooc they have the responsibility for Latin American intelligence gathering at this point in history). But Hoover doesn't take it seriously and fails to act on the information or inform anyone not in the FBI. (ooc, I hate Hoover and will use this chance to get rid of the bastard when the situation blows up).

ooc: Dangnabit! You were supposed to call me on it!

President Alejandro Lerroux would like to tell the American president that he would like to take up his old offer of a state visit to meet with him. president Lerroux will arrive in Washington DC within a week to discuss diplomatic relations and possible American aid in training the military and building a small navy.

OOC: whats this war I am reading about?! are we THAT belligerent?! sorry ive been away for a while but its finals week and ive been trying to improve all my grades and study for my upcomeing tests...

President Alejandro Lerroux would like to tell the American president that he would like to take up his old offer of a state visit to meet with him. president Lerroux will arrive in Washington DC within a week to discuss diplomatic relations and possible American aid in training the military and building a small navy.

OOC: whats this war I am reading about?! are we THAT belligerent?! sorry ive been away for a while but its finals week and ive been trying to improve all my grades and study for my upcomeing tests...

ooc
China blew up

IC
Roosevelt reextends the invitation to the President of Spain for a state visit

OOC: yea i just saw...well it seems to be over now or at least the internal strife no he has to fight the secessionists...

IC: President Alejandro Lerroux arrived in Washington today to commence a week long state visit in which he will observe the American Congress and speak with the President on various subjects such as the Spanish military, the Canary Islands, and possible relations between the two states.

In light of continued tensions in the Far East between the Japanese and Chinese, Roosevelt declares that the state of national emergency will remain in effect until the end of 1936. At that time, if situation warrents it, the US will return to a more peacetime military state of affairs.

In other news, the Army announces it plans to place the P38 Lightning in service next year as an interceptor, and the P39 Aircobra will enter service as a ground support plane and export fighter. The new B26 Marauder will also enter service as weill the B25 Mitchell. The Navy announces plans to replace the TBD Devastator with the TBF Avenger torpedo and general purpose bomber.

The Army also announces testing of a new medium tank and continues work on a new heavy tank.

OOC: Just FYI, Argentina and Britain Long ago solved the problem of the Falklands(actually first thing accomplished) the government gave up any rights or claims in exchange for an alliance treaty(still standing i believe) and the Help to build shipyards and industrialize argentina.


This is circa 1901 i believe.

OOC: Just FYI, Argentina and Britain Long ago solved the problem of the Falklands(actually first thing accomplished) the government gave up any rights or claims in exchange for an alliance treaty(still standing i believe) and the Help to build shipyards and industrialize argentina.


This is circa 1901 i believe.

different British player though, and the People of Argentina got whipped up on the issue in the 1930s by the Right in order to give them something to get behind (and provide cover for Peron, but thats another story). Besides, it was bloodless, always nice.

The Falklands in 1901 were also a lot more important strategically then they are at this point in the game (with the Panama Canal being in existence)

The United States approaches the governments of Colombia and Canada and proposes two massive projects.

First is the expansion of the Panama Canal. Leaving the current canal in place, a second one of the same dimensions would be build a few hundred yards to the east (south) of it. Thus the Canal would remain open while the second was built. Using modern earth moving machinery, improved explosives, and the knowledge gained building the first canal, the second canal could be constructed in a third of the time and be ready for service in 1939 if started in 1936. The cost would be 24 build points, and once completed, the older canal would be renovated and completed in 1941. At that point ships twice as large the canal can currently hold (expanded to 240 feet wide from current 110 feet), and capacity would be greatly increased. The US will pay for the cost of the canal, while Colombia would pay for any other costs (relocating people etc, figure 10 points). Naturally, the US and Colombian treaties regarding the canal would remain unchanged.

the second project is the St. Lawrence Seaway, will will cost 30 build points. The US proposes that Canada and the US share the cost. It will take 4 years to complete. (historically the Canadians paid 2/3, the US 1/3). If Canada agrees, the project will begin in 1936 as well.

ooc
(economic effects are only projections when proposed., but essentially 2 points more a year for Colombia, and the effect of 4 factories for Canada and 2 for the US for the St. Lawrence seaway). The actual effect of the St. Lawrence Seaway was much more substantial but we wouldn't know that yet.

St. Lawrence Seaway
http://collections.ic.gc.ca/stlauren/econ/ec_consslseaway.htm

Panama Canal
http://www.june29.com/Tyler/nonfiction/pan2.html

Colombia will be able to begin financing the project in early 1937, as we have many other commitments as well.

Colombia will be able to begin financing the project in early 1937, as we have many other commitments as well.

ooc
your end won't start being an issue until year 2 (1937), and the 10 points basically covers relocation costs of everyone, including some industry. On the plus side for you, the pay off is huge.

IC
The United States announces a new agreement with Colombia that will eventually double the size of the Panama Canal, providing a huge benefit to Colombia, the United States and world maritime trade.

OOC
just think, eventually supertankers will be able to pass through the canal, along with Nimitz class carriers

ooc: Sweet Deal. 10 Points ain't that bad, but I'll need to throw some to China in 1938.

ooc: Sweet Deal. 10 Points ain't that bad, but I'll need to throw some to China in 1938.

they won't all have to be spent at once, 5 a year for 2 years would do fine.

Roosevelt sighs heavily in the Oval Office.... he was going to end the state of emergency, as the situation in the Far East seemed to have stabilized. Even if the Japanese and Chinese starting shooting again, at least this time it wouldn't drag in the Warsaw Pact and LTA.

Now the Indians were shooting each other, and that was an LTA problem if it heated up. At least his two projects made it through Congress. Canals after all were what the US government had been building since the time of Jefferson. Even he would have liked the Panama Canal and Saint Lawrence Seaway.

ooc
the US sends a polite "we will get back to you on this in January" to the Korean government.

OOC: Emperor Gang sends this message, wondering, "Well, it's way past January.":

IC:

To: US Government
From: Our Majesty Emperor Gang, Speaker Syngman Rhee

Regarding our request for aid, we would like to remind you of it, and sweeten the deal with lessened tariffs for American investors, along with anything you may ask for in return.

OOC: Emperor Gang sends this message, wondering, "Well, it's way past January.":

IC:

To: US Government
From: Our Majesty Emperor Gang, Speaker Syngman Rhee

Regarding our request for aid, we would like to remind you of it, and sweeten the deal with lessened tariffs for American investors, along with anything you may ask for in return.

The US is willing to consider some aid, the exact amount is still undergoing discussion in Congress

Ah. That makes sense, then.

The Soviet ambassador (Maksim Litvinov) will also take the oportunity to indicate Warsaw's desire to reinstitute the cultural exchange program that existed prior to the Intercontinental War, and especially to include Germany and the Union's Asian territories in the scheme.

I want the Marx brothers and Jack Benny to do an All-Union tour. In other words, I want to trade Jewish comedians for awhile. You can have a circus or two, and Mongolian rope dancers, and and ballet and Shostakovich.

After the past year of dangerous tensions, the US government officially requests that the Union government and US government formerly agree to cultural exchanges. American entertainers are privately encouraged to visit the Union.

The US government specifically requests visits by the Berlin Orchestra and and Petrograd and Moscow Ballets.

having 6 points left over that wasn't spent as originally planned, the US provides 6 points of military aid to Australia (in the form of 1 B24 naval air unit, and funds to train 1 pilot)

US ends National Emergency and demobilizes National Guard and Reserve units and pulls some forces back Pacific

US Military Forces and Deployments January 1936
Manila
1 fortification, 1 mechanized infantry corps, 1 flak unit, 1 coast artillery unit, 2 fighter units (P40), 1 Naval air unit (B24), 1 Naval air unit (PBY), 4 pilots

Truk
1 fortification, 1 flak unit, 1 coast artillery unit, 1 naval air unit (PBY)

Oahu
1 fortification, 1 motorized infantry corps, 1 flak unit, 1 coast defense artillery unit, 2 fighter units (P40), 1 Naval air unit (PBY),

Panama
1 fortification, 1 coast artillery unit, 1 flak unit, 1 mechanized corps, 1 fighter unit (P40), 2 bomber units (A20), 1 Naval air unit (PBY) 4 pilots,

Casablanca
1 fighter unit (P40), 1 Naval air unit (B24) 2 pilots

Continental US
4 HQ units, 2 armored corps, 12 mechanized corps, 1 motorized corps, 1 airborne corps, 2 amphibious corps, 1 mountain corps, 6 motorized infantry corps, 3 motorized field artillery units , 3 field artillery units, 6 flak units, 6 coast artillery units,

2 air transport units (DC3), 8 bomber units (A20), 4 bomber units (B25), 4 bomber nits (B17E), 5 fighter units (P40) 22 pilots

US 7th Fleet (Manila)
Carriers Lexington, Saratoga, heavy cruisers Houston, Astoria, Chester, Pensacola, anti aircraft cruisers Juneau, Atlanta Light cruisers Luzon, Mindanao, Paney, Cebu, Samar, Guam, 2 light ships (20 destroyers), 2 submarine units (20 tech level 6 submarines)

US 5th Fleet (Honolulu)
Heavy cruisers Vincennes, Indianapolis, Northhampton, Chicago, Light cruisers Omaha,, Milwaukee, 2 light ships (20 destroyers),

US 1st Fleet (West Coast)
Battleships Tennesse, New Mexico, Mississippi, Idaho, Pennsylvania, Light carriers George Washington, Theodore Roosevelt, William Mckinley, Abraham Lincoln, light cruisers Cincinnati, Marblehead, Trenton, Detroit, 5 light ships (75 destroyer escorts), 2 amphibious fleets, 1 Marine Corps,

US 3rd Fleet (Hawaii)
2 light ships (20 destroyers), 2 transport units

US 6th Fleet (Casablanca)
Battleships Colorado, Maryland, West Virginia, light cruisers Concord, Richmond, Memphis, 1 light ship (15 destroyer escorts), 2 submarine units (20 submarines),

US 2nd Fleet (US East Coast)
Battleships North Carolina, Washington, Alabama, Massachusetts, carriers Enterprise, Yorktown, Hornet, Wasp, Ranger, Bon Homme Richard, heavy cruisers Salt Lake City, Quincy, Portland, Tuscaloosa, Newport News, Salem, Wichita, Albany, Baltimore, light cruisers Brooklyn, Savannah, Philadelphia, Nashville, Boise, 4 light ships (40 destroyers) 4 light ships (60 destroyer escorts), 2 amphibious fleets, 2 transport fleets, 2 submarine unit (20 submarines), 2 Naval air units (B24)

Secret IC
The US Army Air Force opens up a design competition for a bomber with a 450 mph top speed, a 275 mph cruising speed, a service ceiling of 45,000 feet, and a maximum range of 12,000 miles at 25,000 feet.

Northrop, Boeing and Consolidated Aviation all begin design studies that will eventually lead (in a couple of years) to the Flying Wing, B29 and B36.

OOC: I am just wondering, is the USA going to set up Aramco in Arabia or even offer to do so in this timeline , or they wouldn't because of MEU relations with the Soviet Union and the other fact that powerful Anglo-Middle Eastern Oil Company in the area.

OOC: I am just wondering, is the USA going to set up Aramco in Arabia or even offer to do so in this timeline , or they wouldn't because of MEU relations with the Soviet Union and the other fact that powerful Anglo-Middle Eastern Oil Company in the area.

ooc
I pretty much assumed the British and Turks set something up already. Although if the Americans are invited in, Texaco and Standard Oil will lead the charge.

Secret IC
The US Army Air Force opens up a design competition for a bomber with a 450 mph top speed, a 275 mph cruising speed, a service ceiling of 45,000 feet, and a maximum range of 12,000 miles at 25,000 feet.

Northrop, Boeing and Consolidated Aviation all begin design studies that will eventually lead (in a couple of years) to the Flying Wing, B29 and B36.

ooc
a bomber with this range will have a range of nearly 70 hexes on the Asia map, and would be able to fly from North Dakota to anywhere in the Union and back without refueling.

or from North America to China, Japan or anywhere in Europe

Albert Einstein and Leo Szilard, two of the Union's leading physicists, arrived in Washington today to propose to President Roosevelt a joint research project, conducted by both the United States and Soviet Union, into developing working atomic energy.

As Szilard says, "By unlocking the power contained in the atomic nucleus, mankind could rise to embrace the stars."

"It is only appropriate, therefore, that mankind be united in this undertaking. We should not be dragging our hostilities to heaven itself," Einstein adds.

Greetings from the islamic republic of Algeria,

We would like to inform you that we have decided to scrap our P26 fighter unit in favor of purchasing a newer model. We would also like to inquire if there is a possibillity of working out a deal for such a purchase.

Greetings from the islamic republic of Algeria,

We would like to inform you that we have decided to scrap our P26 fighter unit in favor of purchasing a newer model. We would also like to inquire if there is a possibillity of working out a deal for such a purchase.

the United States will provide both Algeria and Morocco with P40C Warhawk fighters to replace their P26s, and as the new F4U Corsair enters production that will be available (in otherwords, free upgrade to tech level 6 aircraft with P40 transfer as the US takes those aircraft out of service and your maintanence will pay for the upgrade to the Corsair as they come available)

Albert Einstein and Leo Szilard, two of the Union's leading physicists, arrived in Washington today to propose to President Roosevelt a joint research project, conducted by both the United States and Soviet Union, into developing working atomic energy.

As Szilard says, "By unlocking the power contained in the atomic nucleus, mankind could rise to embrace the stars."

"It is only appropriate, therefore, that mankind be united in this undertaking. We should not be dragging our hostilities to heaven itself," Einstein adds.

Einstein and Szilard are given letters of introduction and authorization to work with the University of California and Caltech on the potential of such a project, to work closely with Oppenheimer and Fermi.

Meanwhile, in secret, the US Navy continues their experiments on their own project under the direction of Teller and a young obnoxious naval engineer named Rickover.

Lieutenant Robert A. Heinlein, having recovered from Pulmonary Tuberculosis and completed his advanced engineering degree, is assigned to work with Robert Goddard on the US Navy missile program.

ooc
as antibiotics have shown up considerably earlier, he will stay in the Navy.. expect to see more on him later.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heinlein

guess who will end up in charge of the US Space Program eventually?

Lieutenant Robert A. Heinlein, having recovered from Pulmonary Tuberculosis and completed his advanced engineering degree, is assigned to work with Robert Goddard on the US Navy missile program.

ooc
as antibiotics have shown up considerably earlier, he will stay in the Navy.. expect to see more on him later.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heinlein

guess who will end up in charge of the US Space Program eventually?


WOO! That's damn cool!

Just have to worry about those Starship Troopers now...

Britain quietly lets the US know that it is interested in pooling their nuclear research and offers the use of British scientists Henry Tizard and William George Penney. It is hoped that considerable advancements can be gained from this project.

Britain quietly lets the US know that it is interested in pooling their nuclear research and offers the use of British scientists Henry Tizard and William George Penney. It is hoped that considerable advancements can be gained from this project.

the US quietly agrees to place the British with the secret Navy program. It also wants Northrop and Lockheed companies to get involved with British Jet research.

Lieutenant Robert A. Heinlein, having recovered from Pulmonary Tuberculosis and completed his advanced engineering degree, is assigned to work with Robert Goddard on the US Navy missile program.

ooc
as antibiotics have shown up considerably earlier, he will stay in the Navy.. expect to see more on him later.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heinlein

guess who will end up in charge of the US Space Program eventually?

by the way, inspired by one of my favorite Science Fiction stories ever...
"The Return of William Proxmire" by Larry Niven
http://www.uchronia.net/bib.cgi/label.html?id=nivereturn

a classic story, and funny as hell

US 7th Fleet (Manila)
Carriers Lexington, Saratoga, heavy cruisers Houston, Astoria, Chester, Pensacola, anti aircraft cruisers Juneau, Atlanta Light cruisers Luzon, Mindanao, Paney, Cebu, Samar, Guam, 2 light ships (20 destroyers), 2 submarine units (20 tech level 6 submarines)

US 5th Fleet (Honolulu)
Heavy cruisers Vincennes, Indianapolis, Northhampton, Chicago, Light cruisers Omaha,, Milwaukee, 2 light ships (20 destroyers),

US 1st Fleet (West Coast)
Battleships Tennesse, New Mexico, Mississippi, Idaho, Pennsylvania, Light carriers George Washington, Theodore Roosevelt, William Mckinley, Abraham Lincoln, light cruisers Cincinnati, Marblehead, Trenton, Detroit, 5 light ships (75 destroyer escorts), 2 amphibious fleets, 1 Marine Corps,

US 3rd Fleet (Hawaii)
2 light ships (20 destroyers), 2 transport units

Concerned about continued tensions in Asia, the US Navy shifts its fleet deployments a bit.

In California, an unusual aircraft began to take shape. A flying wing.

In the California desert another aircraft, a jet, built by British engineers, began test flights over a large dry lake bed called Muroc. It fly, but it was a long way from being a combat aircraft.

Crossposted from main threadthe US quietly agrees to place the British with the secret Navy program. It also wants Northrop and Lockheed companies to get involved with British Jet research.

The British Ministry of Defence will allow, and indeed promote, cooperation between British and American companies and individuals and will gratefully accept any help these companies can offer. It is hoped that in this manner an Anglo-American jet can successfully become a viable military and maybe a commercial aircraft.

EDIT: Woops, thought this was the military thread for some reason. Sorry.

Comunique to the American Government

With the recent Education and Welfare Act passed we are looking into creating scholarship programs to other country's universities. We would be greatly honoured if you government would agree to participate in such a program.

Sincerely,
Minister of Education
Xuan Nguyen

Comunique to the American Government

With the recent Education and Welfare Act passed we are looking into creating scholarship programs to other country's universities. We would be greatly honoured if you government would agree to participate in such a program.

Sincerely,
Minister of Education
Xuan Nguyen

The United States would be honored to host students from the USEA. Scholarships will be made available to American State Universities (examples University of Texas, California State University, etc)

US News in 1936
IC
President Franklin Delano Roosevelt chooses to run for a 3rd term and easily beats Alf Landon. However, to get his 3rd Term Roosevelt is forced to make some concessions to his party, one of the leaders of which is John Nance Garner, the immensely respected leader of the House. Harry S. Truman, a respected Congressman, and a war hero from the 2nd Great War (A National Guard officer from Missouri who won several medals, including the Distinguished Service Cross and Silver Star) becomes FDRs running mate, replacing Henry Wallace, who much of the Party views as too radical.

OOC
No National Effort for the US in 1937

US government cuts taxes, ends National effort, and reduces the military in size somewhat.

This wins over enough Republicans and Conservative Democrats to get Roosevelt his Third Term.

1937 US Military

US Navy
Carrier Aviation (maintenance 13 points including pilots)
9 tech level 6 fleet carriers: Lexington, Saratoga, Enterprise, Yorktown, Wasp, Hornet, Ranger, Bon Homme Richard, Essex, (all are 100 aircraft, protection 3, speed 6, range 6, Essex class has a protection of 4) 5 Corsairs, 2 Dauntless, 2 Avenger, 9 pilots
2 Corsairs, 5 Avenger torpedo bombers (Navy reserve) 7 Navy reserve carrier pilots

Surface force and other ships (maintenance 21 points)
6 tech level 6 Fast battleships: North Carolina, Washington, South Dakota, Alabama, South Dakota, Indiana, (firepower 5, protection 6, speed 5, range 6)
3 tech 6(modernized) (16 inch) Battleships: Colorado, Maryland, West Virginia (firepower 5, protection 6, speed 3, range 5)

Heavy cruisers
15 tech level 6 Heavy cruisers (all are firepower 1, protection 2, speed 6, range 6)
Chester, Pensacola, Salt Lake City, Houston, Northhampton, Chicago, Augusta, Quincy, Portland, Astoria, Tuscaloosa, Vincennes, Indianapolis, Newport News, Salem, Vincennes, Wichita, Baltimore

Light cruisers
10 Tech level 6 (modernized) Omaha class (firepower 1, protection 2, speed 6, range 6) Detroit, Concord, Richmond, Memphis, Luzon, Mindanao, Paney, Cebu, Samar, Guam
5 tech level 6 Brooklyn class (firepower 1, protection 1, speed 7, range 6) Brooklyn, Philadelphia, Savannah, Nashville, Boise

Antiaircraft cruisers
12 tech level 6 Atlanta class (firepower 1, protection 1, speed 7, range 6), Atlanta, Juneau, San Pedro, San Juan, San Diego, San Antonio, San Pedro, Duluth, Galveston, Los Angeles, Hampton, Biloxi,

Destroyers
150 tech level 6 destroyer escorts, (15 light ships), 120 tech level 6 destroyers (8 light ships)

Submarines
80 tech level 6 submarines (8 submarine units)

Laid up in reserve (all on East Coast)
5 tech 6 (modernized)(14 inch) battleships Tennessee, New Mexico, Mississippi, Idaho, Pennsylvania ( firepower 4, protection 6, speed 3, and range 5)
4 tech level 6 (modernized) light carriers:, Theodore Roosevelt, William McKinley,
George Washington, Abraham Lincoln (4 x 55 aircraft, protection 1, speed 5, range 5, 4 x 55 aircraft, protection 1, speed 6, range 6)
5 Tech level 6 (modernized) Omaha class (firepower 1, protection 2, speed 6, range 6) Omaha, Milwaukee, Cincinnati, Marblehead, Trenton
2 amphibious fleets

Transport and shipping
2 amphibious fleets
2 transport units
3 liner units (released back to civilian service)
33 shipping units (15 million tons) commercial fleet, (includes some excess shipping to commerce limit)

US Landbased Naval Aviation (maintenance 18.25 points)
3 PBY, 3 B24 6 pilots plus 3 B24 (navy reserve), 3 pilots (navy reserve)

Marine Corps (maintenance 1 point)
1 Amphibious corps

US Army Air Force (includes reserves) ( 17 maintenance points including pilots)
2 heavy bomber unit (B17F), 1 heavy air transport unit (C54), 1 Air transport unit (DC3), 2 fighter units (P38), 4 fighter units (P47), 4 bomber units (2 B25, 2 B26), 16 pilots (2 in reserve)

US Air National Guard and Army Air Force Reserve (16 points including pilots)
2 heavy bomber units (B17F) 5 bomber units (3 B25, 2 B26), 5 fighter units (P47), 14 pilots

Regular Army (6.5 points)
4 mechanized corps (2 divisions each), 2 armored corps (2 divisions each), 2 amphibious corps (2 divisions each) 1 mountain corps (2 divisions), 1 airborne infantry corps (2 divisions) 3 motorized field artillery units, 3 coast artillery units, 3 flak units

National Guard and Reserve (15 points)
4 headquarters units, 12 mechanized corps (2 divisions each), 5 motorized corps (2 divisions each), 1 garrison unit (Manila), 3 field artillery units, 2 coast defense units (Manila, Pearl Harbor) 14 flak units (Pearl Harbor, Manila, 6 each coast), 4 fortifications (Truk, Manila, Panama, Oahu)

also 1 national airline, 1 international airline, plus 2 pilots (remain unmobilized at this time, but subject to mobilization to the Army if needed)

Total Maintenance 99 points

US Military Forces and Deployments January 1937
The easing of tensions in the Pacific allows the US to reduces defenses somewhat in this area

Manila
1 fortification, 1 mechanized infantry corps, 1 flak unit, 1 coast artillery unit, 1 fighter unit (P47), 1 Naval air unit (PBY),

Truk
1 fortification, 1 flak unit, 1 coast artillery unit,

Oahu
1 fortification, 1 motorized infantry corps, 1 flak unit, 1 coast defense artillery unit, 1 fighter unit (P47), 1 Naval air unit (PBY)

Panama
1 fortification, 1 coast artillery unit, 1 flak unit, 1 mechanized corps, 1 fighter unit (P47) 1 pilot

Casablanca
1 fighter unit (P47), 1 Naval air unit (PBY), 2 pilots

Continental US
Landbased Naval Aviation (maintenance 18.25 points)
3 B24, 3 pilots plus 3 B24 (navy reserve), 3 pilots (navy reserve)

US Army Air Force
2 heavy bomber unit (B17F), 1 heavy air transport unit (C54), 1 Air transport unit (DC3), 2 fighter units (P38),), 4 bomber units (2 B25, 2 B26), 12 pilots

US Air National Guard and Army Air Force Reserve (16 points including pilots)
2 heavy bomber units (B17F) 5 bomber units (3 B25, 2 B26), 3 fighter units (P38), 2 fighter units (P47), 14 pilots

Regular Army (6.5 points)
4 mechanized corps (2 divisions each), 2 armored corps (2 divisions each), 2 amphibious corps (2 divisions each) 1 mountain corps (2 divisions), 1 airborne infantry corps (2 divisions) 3 motorized field artillery units, 3 coast artillery units, 3 flak units

National Guard and Reserve (15 points)
4 headquarters units, 12 mechanized corps (2 divisions each), 5 motorized corps (2 divisions each), 1 garrison unit (Manila), 3 field artillery units, 2 coast defense units (Manila, Pearl Harbor) 14 flak units (Pearl Harbor, Manila, 6 each coast), 4 fortifications (Truk, Manila, Panama, Oahu)

US 7th Fleet (Manila)
Heavy cruisers Vincennes, Indianapolis, Northhampton, Chicago, Light cruisers Luzon, Mindanao, Paney, Cebu, Samar, Guam, 2 light ships (20 destroyers), 2 submarine units (20 tech level 6 submarines)

US 5th Fleet (Honolulu)
Carriers Lexington, Saratoga, heavy cruisers Houston, Astoria, Chester, Pensacola, anti aircraft cruisers Juneau, Atlanta. San Pedro, San Juan, , 2 light ships (20 destroyers), 2 submarine units (20 submarines),

US 1st Fleet (West Coast)
light cruisers Detroit, 5 light ships (75 destroyer escorts), 1 amphibious fleet, 1 Marine Corps,

US 3rd Fleet (Hawaii)
2 light ships (20 destroyers), 2 transport units,

US 6th Fleet (Casablanca)
Battleships Colorado, Maryland, West Virginia, light cruisers Concord, Richmond, Memphis, 1 light ship (15 destroyer escorts), 2 submarine units (20 submarines),

US 2nd Fleet (US East Coast)
Battleships North Carolina, Washington, Alabama, Massachusetts, South Dakota and Indiana, carriers Enterprise, Yorktown, Hornet, Wasp, Ranger, Bon Homme Richard, Essex, heavy cruisers Salt Lake City, Quincy, Portland, Tuscaloosa, Newport News, Salem, Wichita, Albany, Baltimore, light cruisers Brooklyn, Savannah, Philadelphia, Nashville, Boise, anti aircraft San Diego, San Antonio, San Pedro, Duluth, Galveston, Los Angeles, Hampton, Biloxi, 4 light ships (40 destroyers) 4 light ships (60 destroyer escorts), 1 amphibious fleet, 1 transport fleet, 2 submarine unit (20 submarines),

Japan is interested in an educational exchange with the U.S.A in order to repair relations between our two nations.

ooc: and hopefully these new students will pick up some good skills and help keep Japanese society moderate.

Japan is interested in an educational exchange with the U.S.A in order to repair relations between our two nations.

ooc: and hopefully these new students will pick up some good skills and help keep Japanese society moderate.

the US cheerfully agrees. In addition, Japanese Americans in Hawaii and the Continental US are allowed to become citizens. (up to now that has not been the case)

Japanese officials are overjoyed that America finally allows full rights to those of Japanese heritage. They also quietly inquire if Emperor Hirohito may tour the U.S. on a soon to be announced world tour.

Japanese officials are overjoyed that America finally allows full rights to those of Japanese heritage. They also quietly inquire if Emperor Hirohito may tour the U.S. on a soon to be announced world tour.

that permission and heartfelt invitation is immediately given

This won't happen till November, of course, but President Kirov will send his congratulations on President Roosevelt's unprecedented third electoral victory.

This won't happen till November, of course, but President Kirov will send his congratulations on President Roosevelt's unprecedented third electoral victory.

ooc
thats ok, I went ahead and posted most everything relevent for the US this year as I will be busy the next few days anyway

After a brief stop-over at Argentina, Emperor Hirohito's plane was finally preparing to land near Washington D.C. He wouldn't have much time as he would have liked on this tour, as the military was grumbling, but he was planing on making the most of it.

After a brief stop-over at Argentina, Emperor Hirohito's plane was finally preparing to land near Washington D.C. He wouldn't have much time as he would have liked on this tour, as the military was grumbling, but he was planing on making the most of it.

The United States government plans to take the Emporer to a naval review with the entire 2nd Fleet off Norfolk (close enough so he can see how big Newport News Naval shipyard is), and then to Baltimore to see Fort McHenry and then show him around Washington.

A flight to Detroit to see American car manufacturers can also be arranged, as well as a trip to New York City to see the Statue of Liberty and the Empire State Building.

ooc
maybe if he had seen that in real life Japan and the US would not have fought a war.

A flight to Detroit to see American car manufacturers can also be arranged, as well as a trip to New York City to see the Statue of Liberty and the Empire State Building.

ooc
maybe if he had seen that in real life Japan and the US would not have fought a war.
More likely he would have liked to seen them shipped back to Japan . . .

The United States government plans to take the Emporer to a naval review with the entire 2nd Fleet off Norfolk (close enough so he can see how big Newport News Naval shipyard is), and then to Baltimore to see Fort McHenry and then show him around Washington.

A flight to Detroit to see American car manufacturers can also be arranged, as well as a trip to New York City to see the Statue of Liberty and the Empire State Building.

ooc
maybe if he had seen that in real life Japan and the US would not have fought a war.

Emperor Hirohito is amazed at America's industrial might and his advisors take not of all they see. Unfortunetly with time running short he must leave and begins his journey for Damascus and the MEU.

The US Army begins building a series of very large airbases in Alaska and plans are made to station several groups of B17s in that territory. The goal is to develop technology, tactics and experience in operating heavy aircraft in Arctic conditions.

A secondary secret goal is to develop the base of experience needed to operate the planned B29, B35, B36 and B50 long range bombers against targets in Siberia and Russia should the need ever arise.

US Military Forces and Deployments January 1937
The easing of tensions in the Pacific allows the US to reduces defenses somewhat in this area

Manila
1 fortification, 1 mechanized infantry corps, 1 flak unit, 1 coast artillery unit, 1 fighter unit (P47), 1 Naval air unit (PBY),

Truk
1 fortification, 1 flak unit, 1 coast artillery unit,

Oahu
1 fortification, 1 motorized infantry corps, 1 flak unit, 1 coast defense artillery unit, 1 fighter unit (P47), 1 Naval air unit (PBY)

Panama
1 fortification, 1 coast artillery unit, 1 flak unit, 1 mechanized corps, 1 fighter unit (P47) 1 pilot

Casablanca
1 fighter unit (P47), 1 Naval air unit (PBY), 2 pilots

Alaska
1 USN B24, 1 B17F, 1 P38, 1 mountain corps (all in Anchorage area),

Continental US
Landbased Naval Aviation (maintenance 18.25 points)
2 B24, 2 pilots plus 3 B24 (navy reserve), 3 pilots (navy reserve)

US Army Air Force
1 heavy bomber unit (B17F), 1 heavy air transport unit (C54), 1 Air transport unit (DC3), 1 fighter units (P38),), 4 bomber units (2 B25, 2 B26), 12 pilots

US Air National Guard and Army Air Force Reserve (16 points including pilots)
2 heavy bomber units (B17F) 5 bomber units (3 B25, 2 B26), 3 fighter units (P38), 2 fighter units (P47), 14 pilots

Regular Army (6.5 points)
4 mechanized corps (2 divisions each), 2 armored corps (2 divisions each), 2 amphibious corps (2 divisions each) 1 mountain corps (2 divisions), 1 airborne infantry corps (2 divisions) 3 motorized field artillery units, 3 coast artillery units, 3 flak units

National Guard and Reserve (15 points)
4 headquarters units, 12 mechanized corps (2 divisions each), 5 motorized corps (2 divisions each), 1 garrison unit (Manila), 3 field artillery units, 2 coast defense units (Manila, Pearl Harbor) 14 flak units (Pearl Harbor, Manila, 6 each coast), 4 fortifications (Truk, Manila, Panama, Oahu)

US 7th Fleet (Manila)
Heavy cruisers Vincennes, Indianapolis, Northhampton, Chicago, Light cruisers Luzon, Mindanao, Paney, Cebu, Samar, Guam, 2 light ships (20 destroyers), 2 submarine units (20 tech level 6 submarines)

US 5th Fleet (Honolulu)
Carriers Lexington, Saratoga, heavy cruisers Houston, Astoria, Chester, Pensacola, anti aircraft cruisers Juneau, Atlanta. San Pedro, San Juan, 2 light ships (20 destroyers), 2 submarine units (20 submarines),

US 1st Fleet (West Coast)
light cruisers Detroit, 5 light ships (75 destroyer escorts), 1 amphibious fleet, 2 transport units, 1 Marine Corps,

US 3rd Fleet (Anchorage),
2 light ships (20 destroyers),

US 6th Fleet (Casablanca)
Battleships Colorado, Maryland, West Virginia, light cruisers Concord, Richmond, Memphis, 1 light ship (15 destroyer escorts), 2 submarine units (20 submarines),

US 2nd Fleet (US East Coast)
Battleships North Carolina, Washington, Alabama, Massachusetts, South Dakota and Indiana, carriers Enterprise, Yorktown, Hornet, Wasp, Ranger, Bon Homme Richard, Essex, heavy cruisers Salt Lake City, Quincy, Portland, Tuscaloosa, Newport News, Salem, Wichita, Albany, Baltimore, light cruisers Brooklyn, Savannah, Philadelphia, Nashville, Boise, anti aircraft San Diego, San Antonio, San Pedro, Duluth, Galveston, Los Angeles, Hampton, Biloxi, 4 light ships (40 destroyers) 4 light ships (60 destroyer escorts), 1 amphibious fleet, 1 transport fleet, 2 submarine unit (20 submarines),

Ambassador Maksim Litvinov (a colorful figure, among other things a friend of Harpo Marx) contacts the American Secretary of State with an urgent request to discuss the powers' respective interests in the Middle Eastern Union.

"The Sovereign People have no desire for war with the people of the United States," he says, "and yet Damascus represents one of the Union's oldest and most loyal allies, and should their government come under attack by a foreign power our treaty obligations are clear. It is our express hope that a widening of this conflict may be avoided by the integrity and quick thinking of decent men."

Secretary of State Hull meets with the Union Ambassador and confirms the US position.

That any civil war or revolution in the MEU is an internal affair. No evidence has come forward indicating foreign involvement, and it is unlikely that the Greeks, Egyptians, Omanis, British or Indians had anything to do with such an event.

Therefore, the US will view any direct intervention by the Union in the MEU as a threat against LTA and US interests and the long term peace and security of the world.

Again, we must stress that this position is ridiculous. If there were a rebellion in, say, Cuba, and US treaties obligated it to support the government, how would Washington respond if Warsaw threatened world war as a result of American intervention?

Warsaw desires peace and stability in the world. If the Middle Eastern Union must break up, so be it - but we cannot stand idly by as the government of one of our oldest allies is violently dismembered by radicals and terrorists. If the American government could but take one moment to take its damn blinkers off and see things from the rest of world's perspective, they'd recognize that.

Again, we must stress that this position is ridiculous. If there were a rebellion in, say, Cuba, and US treaties obligated it to support the government, how would Washington respond if Warsaw threatened world war as a result of American intervention?

Warsaw desires peace and stability in the world. If the Middle Eastern Union must break up, so be it - but we cannot stand idly by as the government of one of our oldest allies is violently dismembered by radicals and terrorists. If the American government could but take one moment to take its damn blinkers off and see things from the rest of world's perspective, they'd recognize that.

The United States is not prepared to let the 'worlds' perception of US vital interests determine its reaction to events. Nor does the United States feel the Union speaks for the rest of the world. For that matter, the US has treaties with its neighbors to protect them from external threats but has no such treaty to intervene in their internal affairs. If it did, the government of Brazil would certainly be one that was more in line with US views.

The United States suggests that the Union and its Allies allow the people of the MEU chose their own destiny. Even a radical one from our point of view would be their choice.

ooc
remember, nobody has any clear idea of just how radical the Moslems could get, few except some British and MEU officers have any real idea of how these guys think, except for a very few area experts (academic types)

message sent out by code to all US military forces....
"Talks between the Union and the United States may not be successful. Make all preparations for hostilities. Defense Condition 1 is ordered for all overseas commands as well as Alaska. Preparations for securing Iceland and the Azores are to commence."

At Fort Bragg, Pope Army airfield, and Fort Campbell, US paratroopers and four engined C-54 transports prepare to conduct an airlift.

ooc
these are the days before satellites, so this shouldn't be immediately known, but eventually the Union will pick this up from their spies.

SIC
Litvinov notes that there was American involvement in the Brazilian Civil War. The Union is sincere in its desire to avoid a world war, however, and Litvinov quietly shifts the discussion to the matter of how both the Americans and Soviets might "save face" in this matter, as the Chinese put it.

SIC
Litvinov notes that there was American involvement in the Brazilian Civil War. The Union is sincere in its desire to avoid a world war, however, and Litvinov quietly shifts the discussion to the matter of how both the Americans and Soviets might "save face" in this matter, as the Chinese put it.

Hull replies that there was no official or direct US involvement in the Brazilian Civil War, and that eventually the US government put an end to the efforts of American citizens to influence the internal affairs of the people of that nation.

A joint statement of Pact and LTA neutrality would be enough for the United States, as well as such by the Japanese.

ooc
remember, they have a defense treaty as well.

Hull replies that there was no official or direct US involvement in the Brazilian Civil War, and that eventually the US government put an end to the efforts of American citizens to influence the internal affairs of the people of that nation.

A joint statement of Pact and LTA neutrality would be enough for the United States, as well as such by the Japanese.

ooc
remember, they have a defense treaty as well.
SIC
Litvinov quirks an eyebrow at Hull's bland lie (as he sees it, I know it's technically true), but otherwise lets it pass. He will instead pass along a communique he has just received from Warsaw:

MEU leadership decide to send message to the Warsaw to state, they only want aid(points) and arms to support their efforts in fighting the rebellion. They state to allow outsider troops in the MEU lands, given the nature of the people of MEU may do more harm then good. So the MEU leadership ask Warsaw to only send arms and aid to support the Government.
Litvinov is empowered to issue a joint statement of formal neutrality, in the sense that Red Army troops and other Pact forces will not be committed to the MEU, at the request of Damascus.

Litvinov is empowered to issue a joint statement of formal neutrality, in the sense that Red Army troops and other Pact forces will not be committed to the MEU, at the request of Damascus.

President Roosevelt is willing to appear publically with Litvinov to make a joint statement to that effect.

President Roosevelt is willing to appear publically with Litvinov to make a joint statement to that effect.
This is agreed to. Do you want to just take this as read, or actually draw up a statement?

This is agreed to. Do you want to just take this as read, or actually draw up a statement?

ooc
as it reads should be ok for now I suppose.. war is averted again.

ooc
as it reads should be ok for now I suppose.. war is averted again.
Is it just me, or are you actually disappointed?

And you call yourself the good guy. Oi.

Is it just me, or are you actually disappointed?

And you call yourself the good guy. Oi.

Just you... I am the good guy

IC: President Alejandro Lerroux arrived in Washington today to commence a week long state visit in which he will observe the American Congress and speak with the President on various subjects such as the Spanish military, the Canary Islands, and possible relations between the two states.

OOC: this never got a response...this is why i go inactive for bouts...noone seems to see my posts:(

OOC: this never got a response...this is why i go inactive for bouts...noone seems to see my posts:(

ooc
did you have a proposal? The US is happy with the status quo, so unless you had a proposal a lot of polite noises were made.

Just you... I am the good guy
You misinterpreted me. I'm the one who hates war, remember?

OOC: this never got a response...this is why i go inactive for bouts...noone seems to see my posts
Arrogant Yanquis. You're better off without them, mi amigo.

OOC: Actually, yes. I wanted to have the US' assurance that in the next war they would respect the neutrality of Spains we are going to proclaim ourself in a state of armed neutrality. I also really did want to talk about the canary island which have alot of Spanish people on it and have been SPanish property since the 1400's yet somehow they voted to join the US. It doesnt fly with me when a part of the country that has profited greatly and is ethnically Spanish now decides to secede.

OOC: Actually, yes. I wanted to have the US' assurance that in the next war they would respect the neutrality of Spains we are going to proclaim ourself in a state of armed neutrality. I also really did want to talk about the canary island which have alot of Spanish people on it and have been SPanish property since the 1400's yet somehow they voted to join the US. It doesnt fly with me when a part of the country that has profited greatly and is ethnically Spanish now decides to secede.

it did because the US relocated all of the pro Nationalist troops and people who were in your enclaves in Morocco to the Canary Islands and they didn't like the Republican government (remember, you were having a civil war at the time).

They are now an independent nation under US protection.

OOC: That was NEVER mentioned in any of the RP. Infact you just said you took the parts of Morrocco and nothing else.

OOC: That was NEVER mentioned in any of the RP. Infact you just said you took the parts of Morrocco and nothing else.

the threads in question...

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=9747846&postcount=60
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=9746766&postcount=51
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=9755982&postcount=292
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=9756445&postcount=293

in addition, you (Spain) got fairly massive reparations in exchange for your territories in Morocco, Spanish Sahara and the Canary Islands.

Just you... I am the good guy

Hell I'm uber dissapointed...

I was looking to actually do something. Pssh. Time for a German Nationalist Revolt...

I play, I play

Plus, we all know that I'm the good guy. Without me, we might have only had one world war so far :)

Einstein and Szilard are given letters of introduction and authorization to work with the University of California and Caltech on the potential of such a project, to work closely with Oppenheimer and Fermi.

Meanwhile, in secret, the US Navy continues their experiments on their own project under the direction of Teller and a young obnoxious naval engineer named Rickover.
Einstein and Szilard, though certainly no Communists, announce that they can no longer collaborate in good conscience with an American government that has, yet again, threatened a world war over events halfway round the world, in a nation long allied to the Union.

"Time and again Warsaw has reached out to Washington in the hopes of establishing a lasting cooperation," says Szilard, "and time and again Washington's demands as the price of peace simply increase. My colleagues and I are disturbed by this pattern.

"Though we respect American liberal democracy, we must wonder if there is some hidden flaw in its execution, when the American government can so comfortably resort to the threat of murdering millions of people simply in order to see its power expanded at the expense of others. We believe that the American people are not well-served by their representatives in Washington so long as this remains the case."

"We remain hopeful," adds Einstein, "that one day the adversarial relationship between the world's governments will be replaced by a true concert of powers. One cannot simultaneously prevent and prepare for war."

when asked about Einsteins comments, President Roosevelt quoted Vegetius, an ancient Roman philosopher.

"If you want peace, you must prepare for war, so to ensure that an enemy knows the price they will pay to make war with you and therefore it will deter him from doing so. War is ugly, and a tragedy, but surrendering our rights and safety as a nation is far more dangerous. I respect Dr. Einstein and truly he is a great man of science. But sadly he is speaking from his own point of view and the United States and its people have their own. As long as the Union continues to expand by military force, the US must be prepared for war. I ask only that you look at the recent Chinese Civil War and talks between the Union and Manchuria and the Union and Turkistan regarding annexation. Or the Russian and German attack on Burgundy and Belgium during the last war.

I ask that you also remember the words of John Stuart Mill, possibly the greatest defender and thinker regarding freedom. He stated 'War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature, and has no chance of being free unless made or kept so by the exertions of better men than himself.'

American freedom is based on that belief, and we will continue to defend it, as well as the freedom of other nations to chose their own destiny."

By the way, you do realize that the only time Red Army troops were committed during the Chinese Civil War at all was to protect the Nationalists from the Japanese, right? Our actions in Manchuria and elsewhere were otherwise every bit as deniable as American actions in Brazil.

Moreover, annexation even of Manchuria (let alone Kashgaria, which we haven't been pushing at all) has yet to really move forward. If Roosevelt is going to base his foreign policy announcements on "Union military expansions" which haven't actually occurred, I think it might look a little weird on the foreign market, however well it plays domestically (WMDs, anyone?).

By the way, you do realize that the only time Red Army troops were committed during the Chinese Civil War at all was to protect the Nationalists from the Japanese, right? Our actions in Manchuria and elsewhere were otherwise every bit as deniable as American actions in Brazil.

Moreover, annexation even of Manchuria (let alone Kashgaria, which we haven't been pushing at all) has yet to really move forward. If Roosevelt is going to base his foreign policy announcements on "Union military expansions" which haven't actually occurred, I think it might look a little weird on the foreign market, however well it plays domestically (WMDs, anyone?).

ooc
Politics and policy are based on perception, not necessarily accuracy. From the American perspective, the Russians have been expanding continually since 1905.

I agree (and make my own hyperbolic pronouncements, as well). I just wanted to be sure that we were clear on that.

January 1938, President Franklin Delano Roosevelt is sworn in for his third term, and his running mate, Harry S. Truman, takes office as Vice President.

Emperor Hirohito personally sends a note of congragulations to President Roosevelt and expresses Japan's interest in joining the LTA in a non-military capacity, or at least expanding relations with America.

January 1938, President Franklin Delano Roosevelt is sworn in for his third term, and his running mate, Harry S. Truman, takes office as Vice President.



I'm confused

I thought Presidential Elections ran
`00 (McKinley)
`04 (TR)
`08 (Taft)
`12 (Wilson)
`16 (Wilson)
`20 (Harding)
`24 (Coolidge)
`28 (Hoover)
`32 (FDR's first term)
`36(FDR's Second)
`40(FDR's Third)
`44(FDR's Fourth)
`48(Truman)
`52(Eisenhower)
`56(Eisenhower)
`60(Kennedy)
`64 (Lyndon Johnson)
`68 (Nixon)
`72 (Nixon)
`76 (Carter)
`80 (Reagan)
`84(Reagan)
`88 (Bush SR.)
`92 (Clinton)
`96 (Clinton)
`00 (W, Bush)
`04 (W. Bush)


where did you switch from every 4 years?

I'm confused

I thought Presidential Elections ran
`00 (McKinley)
`04 (TR) T Roosevelt
`08 (Taft) T Roosevelt
`12 (Wilson) Hughes
`16 (Wilson) Hughes
`20 (Harding) Cox
`24 (Coolidge) Cox
`28 (Hoover) FDR
`32 (FDR's first term) FDR
`36(FDR's Second) FDR
`40(FDR's Third)
`44(FDR's Fourth)
`48(Truman)
`52(Eisenhower)
`56(Eisenhower)
`60(Kennedy)
`64 (Lyndon Johnson)
`68 (Nixon)
`72 (Nixon)
`76 (Carter)
`80 (Reagan)
`84(Reagan)
`88 (Bush SR.)
`92 (Clinton)
`96 (Clinton)
`00 (W, Bush)
`04 (W. Bush)


where did you switch from every 4 years?

your right, I simply forgot to post it last week, and it would actually be Roosevelt being inaugerated in January 1937 for his third term. Actual Presidents in this RP are listed as well