NationStates Jolt Archive

OOC: Actually, I'm asking permission for one Star Destroyer to enter the Gulf area, closer to Mexico than Texas, and scan for anything. If it finds something, it'll mark it and TIEs will shoot it down. Either way, no weapons will be fired from it and lower shields will be on 200%. If no permission is granted, then we'll not send the Star Destroyer down but it will send vibes of suspicion through the Tannenmillian command.

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OOC: As this code nonsense is clutter, Colorado and Texas, I suggest you ask the mods to delete all the posts from these two, then put them on IGNORE, and move on with the story.

Spamming a thread is not legal in Nation States.

As to the whole "Star Destroyer" thing, it's apparent the FT nation is getting out of hand and wanky - a Star Destroyer can't enter atmosphere, and even if it could, some thousand nations would be firing on it - and not adhering to his original statement of "Just using TIEs".

For those two reasons, I'd suggest pitching them out of the RP.

For 1, having something that can here every conversation that is going on is godmodding. That's why we implemeted the code. I'm fairly sure you're just mad cause' you haven't broken it yet. It is an actual code, decoded and then put back together by a java outlet on a key that we chose.

As for the Star Destroyer thing, it's just for transportation. It's not really future tech until he uses it to destroy every major city in every nation that opposes him.

OOC: And actually, Star Destroyers can and have entered atmospheres. Also, the code is real, the and if the mods wish it, I will tell you its name. We are using the code as IC conversation between our nations so that no OOC judgements can be made on our interrelational activities. I am not wanking by using Star Destroyers. If you disallow Star Destroyers, then you are causing me to godmode and wank by disallowing my transportation, which means I godmodded my TIEs into Sol. And yes, I did say "just TIEs", but I'm asking for permission from Shazbotdom and C&T. If the disallow my SD entry, then it will perform as intensive scan as it can from space. If they do allow it, you will either have to announce your presence to my allies and myself as an ally to either us or Colorado and Texas, and then it will be a majority rules decision.

For 1, having something that can here every conversation that is going on is godmodding. That's why we implemeted the code. I'm fairly sure you're just mad cause' you haven't broken it yet. It is an actual code, decoded and then put back together by a java outlet on a key that we chose.

Here's a teriffic idea - do it someplace else, or come to the understanding that you're (a) wasting the time of many posters with nonsense (b) spamming a thread and (c) figure out the difference between OOC knowledge and IC knowledge.

In short, you're cluttering a thread with gobbledygook pointlessly. Either play the RP, or don't, but this is clutter crap.


As for the Star Destroyer thing, it's just for transportation. It's not really future tech until he uses it to destroy every major city in every nation that opposes him.

He's bringing it into the atmosphere to perform a mission. That violates his original agreement of "TIEs only". As in "player is violating RP contract".


OOC: And actually, Star Destroyers can and have entered atmospheres.


It's FT wankery to have something that long enter atmosphere without global effects.


Also, the code is real, the and if the mods wish it, I will tell you its name. We are using the code as IC conversation between our nations so that no OOC judgements can be made on our interrelational activities.

Alright - I plain dislike you both as spammers OOC and IC have no problems. Its a time waster, space-mooch, and general garbage.


I am not wanking by using Star Destroyers.


FT Star Destroyers in an MT RP isn't wankery? :rolleyes: Try again.



If you disallow Star Destroyers, then you are causing me to godmode and wank by disallowing my transportation, which means I godmodded my TIEs into Sol. And yes, I did say "just TIEs", but I'm asking for permission from Shazbotdom and C&T. If the disallow my SD entry, then it will perform as intensive scan as it can from space. If they do allow it, you will either have to announce your presence to my allies and myself as an ally to either us or Colorado and Texas, and then it will be a majority rules decision.

C&T is the thread starter, and the only voice that matters. In my opinion, you two are proving to be ridiculous and cluttering an rp for "reasons" which could be better served with email or one of the many messenger services. In short - its clutter and crap, and you're not sticking to your contract. In any of my threads, you'd be thrown headfirst out as a dishonorable player and a clutterer.

However, this is C&Ts game and his decision.

What is the difference in RP'ing a code and RP'ing perfect english?

Like it or not, it's communication, thus, it's RP'ing.

What is the difference in RP'ing a code and RP'ing perfect english?

Like it or not, it's communication, thus, it's RP'ing.

OOC: Not if all you're doing is conversing in code - which is what you two have been doing for how many posts? And this has gone far enough - it's up to C&T, period. As I said, I'd have you two thrown out, but this is his thread.

And using the Star Destroyers isn't wankery because C&T allowed it, and they've until now been used only as transportation. If C&T doesn't allow me to bring the Victory-class (current in-system Imperator-class ones would crash due to weak antigravity propulsion) Star Destroyers (that actually can and have operated in atmospheric environments, and can land in large lakes and such; length of 898 m) Star Destroyers in, then they will stay back in the Belenar system.

OOC: Well as far as i'm concerned if he wants me to stop with the code I will.

But we've been talking directly about the theatre, which is exactly what we probably would be doing without the code, anyway.

Several more coalition (the Saharistan War coalition, that is) members just came in, so it is understandable that a fair bit of communication would be going on.

OOC: Well as far as i'm concerned if he wants me to stop with the code I will.

But we've been talking directly about the theatre, which is exactly what we probably would be doing without the code, anyway.

Several more coalition (the Saharistan War coalition, that is) members just came in, so it is understandable that a fair bit of communication would be going on.

OOC: Last word on the subject - if it were my thread, I'd throw your butt out as your spamming. As for your "coalition" - if C&T doesnt' accept them, they're not here. If you're not here, why are they here?


And using the Star Destroyers isn't wankery because C&T allowed it, and they've until now been used only as transportation. If C&T doesn't allow me to bring the Victory-class (current in-system Imperator-class ones would crash due to weak antigravity propulsion) Star Destroyers (that actually can and have operated in atmospheric environments, and can land in large lakes and such; length of 898 m) Star Destroyers in, then they will stay back in the Belenar system.

OOC: Antigravity... 898 m spaceship... from another system. FT wankery. You wanting to use them is still proving you cannot be trusted to keep your word. As I said at least twice before, that would be enough for me to boot your nation out of this RP. Enough said on this, wait for C&T's response on the subject.

If we're not here there is no point in this thread any longer.

End of discussion.

May I be the first to say that Enigma Cipher should be banned from RPs?

Just say "CODE: Blee blah, blah blah blah blee blah" and if the enemy RPers are worth any kind of respect at all they'll avoid acting upon that information.

Well we were saying "encrypted" but some smartass decided to have a shoebox that was invisable and could intercept anything in the gulf of mexico...

Well we were saying "encrypted" but some smartass decided to have a shoebox that was invisable that could intercept anything in the gulf of mexico...

OOC: Cheap shot, also inaccurate, but as you want to play that way...

IC: The SHARD drone ruthlessly intercepted the coded messages, beaming them to satellites, and from there to HSI headquarters, where they were decoded at astonishing speed, given the relatively primitive form of code being used.

"Apparently they haven't figured out how to use G-null forms of code..." one tech laughed.



OOC: So, I'll have your code now, thanks.

Intercept maybe. Decrypt unlikely.

You call 'em on it, make him explain how he does it, that's what you're supposed to do, not flood the thread with nigh incomprehensible gibberish that I could only identify because I watch too damn much History Channel.

OOC: Cheap shot, also inaccurate, but as you want to play that way...

IC: The SHARD drone ruthlessly intercepted the coded messages, beaming them to satellites, and from there to HSI headquarters, where they were decoded at astonishing speed, given the relatively primitive form of code being used.

"Apparently they haven't figured out how to use G-null forms of code..." one tech laughed.



OOC: So, I'll have your code now, thanks.

OOC: Just where the fuck do you get off calling our IC communications "spam"? Has C&T asked us to stop the encrypted messages? No. Are you C&T? No. Is this your thread? No. So, since it's C&T's thread, and he makes the decisions, I have to respectfully ask you to shut the fuck up until C&T says something. Good day.

Intercept maybe. Decrypt unlikely.

You call 'em on it, make him explain how he does it, that's what you're supposed to do, not flood the thread with nigh incomprehensible gibberish that I could only identify because I watch too damn much History Channel.

OOC: Decrypt incredibly likely considering they've given so much, it's an old code, and nations have lots of codebreakers available. Again - code in a thread is *pointless spam* if all you're doing is sending it back and forth. As he's decided he wants it intercepted, it's intercepted. As my nation's cryptographers are familiar with ENIGMA, the code is therefore broken. So, let's have it guys, so long as you're going to play silly games.

OOC: Decrypt incredibly likely considering they've given so much, it's an old code, and nations have lots of codebreakers available. Again - code in a thread is *pointless spam* if all you're doing is sending it back and forth. As he's decided he wants it intercepted, it's intercepted. As my nation's cryptographers are familiar with ENIGMA, the code is therefore broken. So, let's have it guys, so long as you're going to play silly games.

It's not Enigma, retard. Do you honestly think we're stupid enough to use a cryptography system from the 1940s? Seriously...

He's right; we're not using ENIGMA.

OOC: Just where the fuck do you get off calling our IC communications "spam"? Has C&T asked us to stop the encrypted messages? No. Are you C&T? No. Is this your thread? No. So, since it's C&T's thread, and he makes the decisions, I have to respectfully ask you to shut the fuck up until C&T says something. Good day.


It's not Enigma, retard. Do you honestly think we're stupid enough to use a cryptography system from the 1940s? Seriously...

OOC: You're lucky I don't feel like calling down the wrath of mod on you on not one, but two flames. I'm still leaving it to C&T. TTFN.


He's right; we're not using ENIGMA.

OOC: Don't care what it is, it's spammy crap that could better be served off-board. Now, do you think we've wasted enough posts on this? How about everyone hush until C&T makes a determination and we stop wasting space?

ooc:Jesus freaking christ yall I thought we were enjoying ourselfs? Ok please limit the code I am having a hard time going through everything and lets keep the star destroyers out of the atmospher I like hte Ties though
IC: The C&T naval(sp) presense continues to grow on her side of the border more ships arvive dailey*

Quietly - ever so quietly - the Danielle slid through the water, going deeper as her delivery had certainly gone well...

With no further reason to remain in a relative "danger zone", she ran towards and into deep international waters - and from there, saught open ocean far from this area.

The SHARD, on the other hand, found a good height to remain at, and began a series of long figure-8s, far out of sight of anyone on the ground, it's electronic package picking up all it could - and rebroadcasting it to the waiting satellites.

It's not Enigma, retard. Do you honestly think we're stupid enough to use a cryptography system from the 1940s? Seriously...

Possibly, possibly not. But its important to note I have approximately two hundred ships of varying size and shape in the area from an alternate conflict in which I was C&T's ally, giving me IC reason AND means to come in and crush you.

Perhaps you could watch your language in the future?

OOC: Okay. I will now only post the ciphertext on the forums if I have messages to send both to McKagan and Halberdgardia, or if I have large amounts of other RPing to tell in one post. And because of C&T's declaration, not Vastiva's superiority complex.

IC:
Reichsführer's Chambers, BTR Desecration

All the lights and panels in the expansive room were turned off. The low hum of the ship's systems played delicately on the air, creating an almost melodic rhythm that complemented well the room, now slowly lighting with the soft blues and purples that would, over time, become bright flashes of yellow and orange, accompanied by intense orchestral music that would serve to awaken the now-still Reichsführer. His arms were firm and straight to his sides, his cap resting on his rising and falling bosom. He slept with boots on, for if he was needed in a hurry he would not have the time to fit himself into the ubiquitous polished black footwear symbolic of the Tannenmillian Navy. Drawing our attention again to the lights and music, now a dull green with Beethoven's Moonlight Sonata quietly beginning to fill the room. Panel after panel slowly flicked on and joined in the play, now a brighter green with hints of yellow and white. Gone were the darker and quieter notes of Beethoven, and now resounding through the spacious quarters was Claude Debussy's Clair de Lune. The lights brightened and dimmed in time with the piano's demure chords. Again looking to the Reichsführer, we see that he has not moved, and yet no sheets or coverings constrain him to his current location on the cot. As the colours swirled into yellows and reds, Debussy's work faded and was replaced by a piano tune not quite as classical as Debussy, and not near as classical as Beethoven -- the fast and upbeat notes of Freddie Mercury's piano were heard relating the song Seven Seas of Rhye through the sound panels. No longer soft and calming, the bright angry flashes of orange, yellow, and red caused Aven to stir. At this, the music and colours only got louder, more intense. Only after he sat up and set off the laser trigger that shut off this extensive alarm clock would the music stop and the day's briefing begin scrolling across the now argent viewpanels.

"And when it's mi-i-ine... I'll take you to the seven seas of Rhye!"

Aven sat up, now fully awake and prepared, albeit unwittingly setting off the laser trip that he always challenged himself to avoid, often walking out and onto the bridge before anyone noticed that Queen was still blaring in the chambers well away from him. The screens all snapped black, then displayed the Royal Emblem of Tannenmille. As previously noted, the day's briefing began scrolling over the main viewpanel, adjacent to Aven's bed. After having satisfied himself with the knowledge of what had occured during his ten-hour respite, the Reichsführer of Tannenmille smoothed his hair, placed upon it his Tannenmillian Royal Purple cap, and exited his chambers, walking down the long, softly lit corridor that led to the Command Tower and bridge.

Bridge of the BTR Desecration
Still holding his wafer of soylent yellow from crew breakfast, Vizeadmiral Christian Wengerd stood at the doorway to the bridge, awaiting the Reichsführer's arrival. A light above the doorway indicated that the laser trigger for his wakeup service had been tripped. Christian estimated that it would take Aven seven minutes to get his soylent wafer, cup of coffee (he made his own caramel macchiato that was reportedly delicious), read the briefings and finally make his way to the bridge. Christian allowed himself the luxury of leaning against the railing behind him as he finished the seemingly small breakfast the Marines called the "'Don't ask, don't tell' cookie". Having finished his slice of soylent goodness, Christian stood and pressed his uniform, anxious to tell Aven of the Colorado and Texan decision to restrict their vessels from Earth. Lights lit up to each side of the metal door as the previously seamless portal split and slid apart. After exchanging formalities, Tannen and Wengerd walked abreast of each other, towards the forward viewport that looked out from the Desecration at both Earth and the deep space that surrounded them.

Casting his eyes toward the Reichsführer's feet, Vizeadmiral Christian began. "Sir, we do not have permission to enter the atmosphere and scan. We can still perform a limited scan from orbit, but it will not be as comprehensive as the atmospheric scan."

Aven stopped walking, taking a moment to ponder this. He took a sip from his coffee and then looked up at the Vizeadmiral. He respected the man; Christian definitely knew how to lead men. He would have made an excellent poliician.

Finally, he spoke. "Okay then, bring the Professor, Incarnate, Feeble Mistress, and the Confectionary as close as is safe to Earth's atmosphere, and begin scanning as extensively as you can. Also," - he handed a slip of paper to Wengerd - wire this to all ships in theatre." "Of course, sir." Christian said, snapping to attention and bringing fist to heart. Aven returned the salute, shook hands, and then walked towards the exit.

Official Message from Reichsführer Aven Tannen

We regret that our nations' relations have become so strained in the recent events in the Gulf of Mexico. As an act of goodwill, we are bringing in three Victor-class Star Destroyers to retrieve our ships and TIEs from Earth. As we are bound by our alliance and friendship with McKagan and Halberdgardia, we will remain in Sol watching these events and communicating with McKagan and Halberdgardian fleets. If worse comes to worse and our allies are plunged into war with Colorado & Texas and any of its allies, we will redeploy our carriers. If for any reason the Star Destroyers are attacked while retrieving these carriers, we will declare war upon the guilty party and the Star Destroyer gunners will have full authority to protect their vessel. If no attempts are made to fire upon our ships, then we will have a peaceful extraction of our forces.

Reichsführer Aven Tannen

OOC2: That took me about an hour and 22 minutes to write. Hot damn.

IC:

The RMV Slither was now about 10KM's from Texan waters. The fleet had primarily been under silent running conditions for most of the last 12 hours.

"Comm, bring up the Halberdgardian Fleet commander, send the following messages.

Encrypted (OOC: If anyone uses this i'm ignoring it as godmodding)

"Greetings again. I was just thinking, we could technically strike an economic blow to the 'enemy' just by being here. Not many commercial transports are going to enter a warzone. I suggest we try to spread units out as much, and maybe no transport ships will enter the gulf. I also have a destroyer, RMV Hollywood Rose, at the mouth of the bay that we could use to 'protect' the transports and make sure they don't wander into a warzone. Of course, we'd need a few more ships out there; how does it sound to you?

End Encryption

Captain Larson sat back in his chair. Just as he did that, Captain Stradin of the Hollywood Rose stood up from his and began to take in reports from the various stations.

Eh, more like telling the guy that namecalling has its consequences, and to use more restraint in the future.

The forces in the area and the reasons for their being there are legitimate, and C&Ts actions during the alternate conflict really HAVE left the Unfounded Alliance fleet somewhat curious about what's going on. I've been debating whether I should have them hop in to 'assist' in the situation for a while now (Which is also why I've been reading this thread).

But enough OOC clutter. I'll let y'all get back to the actual RP.

Eh, more like telling the guy that namecalling has its consequences, and to use more restraint in the future.

The forces in the area and the reasons for their being there are legitimate, and C&Ts actions during the alternate conflict really HAVE left the Unfounded Alliance fleet somewhat curious about what's going on. I've been debating whether I should have them hop in to 'assist' in the situation for a while now (Which is also why I've been reading this thread).

But enough OOC clutter. I'll let y'all get back to the actual RP.

OOC: I was already pissed off at RL issues when I read Vastiva's post, and that just set me off. I was pretty harsh, but I'm still rather annoyed with Vastiva for what he said. Nevertheless, I apologize for my language.

IC:


Encrypted (OOC: If anyone uses this i'm ignoring it as godmodding)

"Greetings again. I was just thinking, we could technically strike an economic blow to the 'enemy' just by being here. Not many commercial transports are going to enter a warzone. I suggest we try to spread units out as much, and maybe no transport ships will enter the gulf. I also have a destroyer, RMV Hollywood Rose, at the mouth of the bay that we could use to 'protect' the transports and make sure they don't wander into a warzone. Of course, we'd need a few more ships out there; how does it sound to you?

End Encryption

(Like McKagan, I will consider any use of inter-personnel dialogue on the ships, that is, things people on a Halberdgardia ship say to one another and don't openly broadcast over a communications channel; and all encrypted IC communications, which will be identified as such; as intel by opposing forces to be godmodding, and it will be ignored)

"Admiral Forrester, sir! Incoming message from the McKagan fleet, sir!"

"Video or text?"

"Text, sir. Bringing it up on your screen."

"Hmmm...that's not a half-bad idea, but has he considered...?" Forrester asked to no one in particular. "Commo, send the following message to Larson."

[Encrypted reply]

encryption key: ******
decryption key: *******

Larson, Forrester. We got your message, and while I personally think it's a good idea, there's a problem. Your plan is rather dependent on the fact that hostilities won't break out, or at least I assume it is, because if hostilities DO break out, our forces will be spread out and disorganized to hell and back, and it'll be a nightmare trying to regroup to defend against an attack. And the last thing we need is for the C&T boys to get some easy kills because we spread out and are disorganized in the face of a surprise attack. I would prefer to keep our fleet grouped together, so we're ready for hostilities if they break out, but we'll help you out however possible. Forrester out.

[end message]

OOC:HEH LAST ONE i HOPE THANKYOU ALL FOR THE CONSIDERATION THIS IS TURNING OUT INTERESTING
IC:*Watching on the screen footage shot by satilite President DeVill grins*"Let them try what ever they want, we dont import anything from sea so if they blockcade us we will be fine all our neighbors are right next door so to speak"*he turns to the man standing in the shadows*"send in the Beta squad I want to try out those personal we are paying for"

Royal Armed Forces High Command, outside Vancouver:
Secret IC
The Carribean Theater Command Center was a large room, looking like something out of a futuristic spaceship. Video monitors lined the forward wall, the largest one depicting a very detailed map of the region in question, this time the Gulf of Mexico, with the positions of Royal Navy vessels delineated in blue, with known and suspected positions of foreign ship shown in red and yellow, depending on the threat status. Other monitors displayed various pieces of information, including some displays from cameras onboard the RN ships themselves.

Minister of Defense Henry Nagara stood at the Command and Control Station, nicknamed "The Helm" because of its shape and position being similiar to the bridge of a warship. Nagara heard a hiss behind him, and turned to see one of the pneumatic doors sliding open, and the Emperor entered, flanked by two guards. "M'lord," said Nagara, fist over his heart in the unofficial Imperial Salute. Dayan nodded to Nagara and to several other men who had also saluted.

"As you were," he said, and looked at the large map screen. "Henry, this situation is getting out of hand. There are too many foreign naval forces in the Gulf. It's bad enough that some civil war has been going on in Colorado and Texas that we didn't know about, but now warships and aircraft of at least five nations aside from ours are in the area. You know they don't mean us harm, and I know they don't mean us harm, but the people and the Governors are worried that they are. I don't want things to escalate further."

Nagara smiled. Unlike some previous Kings, Dayan read his daily briefings. "What would you have my do, m'lord?"

"Prepare the Royal Army and Royal Air Force. If the Texans do anything rash, hit them back and end this before more people get involved."

"At once, Sire. It shouldn't take long once we're ready. Our easternmost border in Arizona is contigous with Colorado and only about an hour's flight from Texas. I may be mistaken, but I believe it's the Second Army stationed in Phoenix. They be deep within Colorado four hours after you give the order, m'lord, with the Air Force striking as far as Dallas."

Dayan nodded. "Good." God, I hope it doesn't come to that, he thought.

Larson prepared to send another comm message back to Halberdgardia.

Encrypted

"Even if they do turn hostile we still have them beat with our numbers. Also, if they have missiles on the shore then they could just fire a volley into the fleet and do some heavy damage. I'm not pushing to have our entier fleet between Florida and Mexico. We could have some patrol craft and a few cruisers or destroyers in sight and any commercial ship would take it as a huge threat and turn. Anyway, the Hollywood Rose is fast. If anything breaks out they'll be back before they can do anything. Also, i'm not moving any subs. I have 4 subs in theatre, which is semi-equal to that of Texas. You have subs, we could hold them with that until backup arrives. Speaking of backup, We have fleet in the pacific ready to land in California about 3 hours. They'll be in Arizona before anyone realizes it."

End Encryption

(OOC: Everyone, please let this Army remain hidden for a while. I'm trying to advance the plot here.)

OOC: Just so you know, California is my west coast. A viable alternative to landing there would be to land in central Mexico (my southernmost territories are Sonora and Baja) and go up from there.

OOC: Ooops, sorry, didn't know that.

I'll land there, then.

OOC: Ooops, sorry, didn't know that.

OOC: No worrries, it was an innocent mistake. However, to avoid further confusion, I'm going to post my holdings in the Carribean/Gulf of Mexico area. As for the rest of you, I don't believe anyone has any territory in the area (excepting of course the "Texas" part of Colorado and Texas). If this is incorrect, please tell me.

Malkyeri Holdings in the Carribean/Gulf of Mexico
Jamaica
Hispanola (Haiti and Dominican Republic)
Belize
Guatemala
Honduras
Nicaragua
Panama
El Salvador
Bahamas, The
Grenada
Malkyeri (formerly Netherlands) Antilles
Barbados
Aruba
St. Lucia

Also, I have just purchased Cuba, Puerto Rico, and Trinidad and Tobago from Ottoman Khaif, effectively making the Carribean a Malkyeri lake, but I won't count those three among my territories for now, and assume that thery were purchased after this has ended.

C&T, I'm sorry for putting yet another OOC post in your thread. I'll have an IC post to cancel it out once something happens that I can respond to.

Larson prepared to send another comm message back to Halberdgardia.

Encrypted

"Even if they do turn hostile we still have them beat with our numbers. Also, if they have missiles on the shore then they could just fire a volley into the fleet and do some heavy damage. I'm not pushing to have our entier fleet between Florida and Mexico. We could have some patrol craft and a few cruisers or destroyers in sight and any commercial ship would take it as a huge threat and turn. Anyway, the Hollywood Rose is fast. If anything breaks out they'll be back before they can do anything. Also, i'm not moving any subs. I have 4 subs in theatre, which is semi-equal to that of Texas. You have subs, we could hold them with that until backup arrives. Speaking of backup, We have fleet in the pacific ready to land in California about 3 hours. They'll be in Arizona before anyone realizes it."

End Encryption

[encrypted response]

encryption key: ******
decryption key: *******

Yes, that is true. Between our fleets, Tannenmille's TIEs, and Malkyer forces, I'm pretty sure we can take out pretty much anything C&T or her allies can throw at us. Meanwhile, we can bring in invasion troops for a strike at Texas if need be, and we can hit them with a pincer move if war breaks out. I just wish something would goddamn happen so we could decide if we're here to stay, or if we can goddamn go home...

[end message]

Encrypted

We've got 50,000 men ready to come in from the north and 30,000 ready to come in from the south. We can also drop the 27th Tactical Wing into their territory and occupy a fairly large area that way.

I'm with you. I've got these subs that are all scheduled to go back to port within 6 weeks, but HQ just launched 4 more destroyers that may or may not end up over here. I don't know how we're going to get out of here. It's going to be a logistical nightmare. Our Aircraft carrier had a K12 nearly drive through the side of a TIE earlier.

End Encryption

ABSOLUTE HYPERMEGAUBERLAST OOC MESSAGE, and durn me for whoopsie posting as my main:

OOC: I was already pissed off at RL issues when I read Vastiva's post, and that just set me off. I was pretty harsh, but I'm still rather annoyed with Vastiva for what he said. Nevertheless, I apologize for my language.

Accepted. Although now my interest in the thread is piqued enough that I actually wanna get in on it anyway now, although with more restraint at least.

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IC:

The smoke was still clearing from the decks of the ravaged enemy vessels as Alliance repair crews flooded over the ships in order to fix the damage caused by the Unfounded Rail Guns. The personnel of the various vessels of war had long since been sent back home, rather than sacrificed in the Unfounded Ritual of Cleansing, in the name of 'good sportsmanship'.

Warlord Screams-Like-Banshee now had other things to deal with, such as this odd radio transmission from Colorado and Texas. Leaving the competition due to external attacks? What exactly is going on here?

He had ordered a satellite image taken of the general area, and was surprised to find that there was such a massive amount of activity in and around the area.

The fleet had also detected massive levels of encrypted and unencrypted transmissions between the fleets on what appeared to be two... or three sides? The vessels identified as Malkyerian and Vastivan fleets seemed to be adopting a peacemaker attitude, while three other fleets, including one that consisted of what appeared to be flying triangles in space, were taking a hostile stance, and one fleet identified as hailing from Shazbotdom seemed to be allying itself with the C&T forces on the grounds of protecting national sovereignty.

Deciding not to jump in with guns blazing in all directions, Screams-Like-Banshee ordered a transmission to the Malkyerian and Vastivan fleets, with the following content:

To the Malkyerian/Vastivan Fleet Commanders:

What in BLAZES is going on here?!

ABSOLUTE HYPERMEGAUBERLAST OOC MESSAGE, and durn me for whoopsie posting as my main:



Accepted. Although now my interest in the thread is piqued enough that I actually wanna get in on it anyway now, although with more restraint at least.

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IC:

The smoke was still clearing from the decks of the ravaged enemy vessels as Alliance repair crews flooded over the ships in order to fix the damage caused by the Unfounded Rail Guns. The personnel of the various vessels of war had long since been sent back home, rather than sacrificed in the Unfounded Ritual of Cleansing, in the name of 'good sportsmanship'.

Warlord Screams-Like-Banshee now had other things to deal with, such as this odd radio transmission from Colorado and Texas. Leaving the competition due to external attacks? What exactly is going on here?

He had ordered a satellite image taken of the general area, and was surprised to find that there was such a massive amount of activity in and around the area.

The fleet had also detected massive levels of encrypted and unencrypted transmissions between the fleets on what appeared to be two... or three sides? The vessels identified as Malkyerian and Vastivan fleets seemed to be adopting a peacemaker attitude, while three other fleets, including one that consisted of what appeared to be flying triangles in space, were taking a hostile stance, and one fleet identified as hailing from Shazbotdom seemed to be allying itself with the C&T forces on the grounds of protecting national sovereignty.

Deciding not to jump in with guns blazing in all directions, Screams-Like-Banshee ordered a transmission to the Malkyerian and Vastivan fleets, with the following content:

To the Malkyerian/Vastivan Fleet Commanders:

What in BLAZES is going on here?!

"Admiral, we're intercepting a message from an unknown source, sir!"

"Encrypted?"

"No, sir. They're broadcasting in the clear, sir. Short message, too."

Admiral Jack Forrester, commander of the Halberdgardian task force, walked to the commo officer's station. Looking over the man's shoulder, he scanned the contents of the intercept.

"Well, I'll be damned. Another nation chose to enter this dogpile...Commo!"

"Yessir?"

"Send the leader of the unknown fleet the following message."

[Transmission to Unknown Fleet]

To: Leader of Unknown Fleet
From: Admiral Jack Forrester, Halberdgardian Navy

Unknown fleet, be advised, you have entered a possible warzone. We intercepted your broadcast to the commanders of the Malkyerian and Vastivan fleets, and we are taking the liberty of informing you for them. We are not hostile to the Incorporated States of Colorado and Texas, but rather are here because they threatened our ally, the Republic of McKagan, who deployed naval forces to the region to investigate claims of illegal activities that one of their patrols discovered while passing by the Gulf. They were recently threatened by Colorado and Texas ships, and the nation of Shazbotdom threatened McKagan for "encroaching on Colorado and Texas' sovereignty." McKagan contacted us, and the nation of Tannenmille, for assistance, and so we're here to support them if they're attacked. Vastiva and Malkyer then entered the region, not choosing sides outright, but it appears as though Vastiva supports Colorado and Texas, and Malkyer appears to be leaning towards our side. Just thought we ought to let you know what kind of shitpile you're getting yourself into here. Things could get hot any minute.

[end transmission]

Response to Halbergardian Fleet Commander:

We are surprised you did not see the cannonfire and bombers. This WAS a warzone.

Thank you for the information...

TRANSMISSION ENDED

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ENCRYPTED TRANSMISSION TO SHAZBOTDOM

-Allies of Colorado And Texas-
-Do you require assistance-
-Intend to give it whether you like it or not-
-Shall send braves to commence communications-

OOC: Just to point out - no fleet was ever deployed in this theater, and the VNN Danielle left for deep water after deploying the one drone.

*inside the office of Security* "Sir I recomend we close our borders except to our allies and the nations of our region except Fortress Bpulder is still closed"
"Do it"
*all along the border regions troops sprang into action building walls laying mines and setting up kill zones along side road blocks*

ooc: how did we become the bad guys? we were responding to a threat in our waters and we took care of it true we did it by sinking some ships but it was beutifull, I love hte smell of napalm* :sniper:

Virginia Class Attack Sub, RMV Contraband, 1400 Hours, 2 KM's from Texan waters

Captain Dougherty sat at her command station while she watched the huge board that indicated the locations of all ships that had been detected and then their threat level and value if sunk.

(remember, on our naval vessels women can be called 'sir')

"Sir, we've got a whole lot of ships out here. Any one of them could go hostile and turn this whole area into one helluva warzone. I suggest get as close to the nearest high value target as we can and lock torpedo's onto it. If anything goes down we could get some easy kills fairly quick."

*turning Capt. Nancy Twilleger of the Republican looks out at the massing ships*"well this is a shit load of trouble"

OOC: Actually, Halberdgardia, I was the first foreign nation to respond to this situation and send forces. With the obvious exception of Colorado and Texas, my fleet has been in the Gulf of Mexico longer than anyone else's.

To the Malkyerian/Vastivan Fleet Commanders:

What in BLAZES is going on here?!

Perry frowned. "Where in the nine levels of Hell do they keep coming from?" he asked no one in particular. "Comms officer, send our reply."

Unknown Fleet:
I will try to be short. A short while ago, our satellites picked up fighting in Colorado and Texas, and a naval skirmish here in the Gulf. I was dispatched here along with the Fifth Fleet of the Royal Navy to investigate, mediate, and if necessary, end the situation. Over the course of time, the ships of several other nations have entered the area, and relations at the moment are strained, at best. There are, I believe, three ill-defined sides in the conflict: the pro-Texans consisting of Colorado and Texas and Shazbotdom; the anti-Texans, consisting of most of the rest; and ourselves, the Malkyeri fleet. It is not our wish to fight the Texans or any other nation, particularly our ally Shazbotdom, but we will not allow such a chaotic civil war in the strategic rear of our Commonwealth. We hope for a peaceful end to this, but will not shy from fighting.

Admiral Perry,
Commanding Officer

OOC2: Colorado and Texas, perhaps you should close [meaning don't allow any new people to come in, unless you want a couple to help you out] this RP, as it's becoming somewhat of a dogpile.

OOC: Yeah Malkyer. You were first. And I came in either right after you, or another one back.

IC:

The Virginia Class sub, RMV Contraband, glided up the coastline from Mexico towards Texas. It was under silent running conditions and nearly invisable from radar. The sensor array that had been dropped in had become a problem. The sub was here to eliminate that.

About .5KM from Texan waters and under the cover of night the sub pulled up under a buey. Within moments a 4 person team of Navy SEAL's had been launched from the rear of the sub. Within a few moments 2 of them were hanging off the buey and the other two were in the process of attaching the mini-sub to a tether that would hold it in close proximity to the buey, while keeping it from turning over.

The technician for the squad removed a computer from his waterproof backpack while a gunner with a MP5 took the cover from an electrical console on the buey.

Within moments the buey network had been comprimised. The SEAL's began a download of simple tactical information into the computer. One of them laughed, "You'd think they'd know that a sensor network like this can be used both ways!" as the one with a computer kept his work up while allowing himself to sink on into the water a little.

"So doc, how long will it take until we can begin the upload!" the SEAL who was sitting inside the hatchway to the sub asked. "About 15 more minutes, then we can pack it up and get out of here!"

OOC2: Agreed.

Open Communique to all Nations

The military forces of the Democratic Republic of Halberdgardia in this theater are hereby withdrawing to a forward operating base approximately three-fourths of the distance from Halberdgardia to the Gulf, pending re-assignment to another theater of conflict. We hope that our allies do not fall under attack, and that this conflict is resolved peacefully. However, be advised that if hostilities do break out against our allies, we have additional military forces that we can deploy to assist them.

[OOC: Basically, I'm pulling out since nothing much is happening here, and I might be getting involved in another country's civil war soon, and it would be pointless for me to leave my ships here when they're needed in another theater. Note that the ships are still within a matter of NS hours of C&T waters; they won't be fully withdrawn until my entry into the aforementioned civil war is confirmed.]

(OOC: Civil War? Send me a TG, if you don't mind.)

IC:

The McKagan Fleet is cutting back, too. We're going to leave a destroyer, a cruiser, 2 frigates, and a sub behind, though.

(OOC: Civil War? Send me a TG, if you don't mind.)

IC:

The McKagan Fleet is cutting back, too. We're going to leave a destroyer, a cruiser, 2 frigates, and a sub behind, though.

OOC: TGed you the link. Sorry for the OOC-only post, but this is probably going to be one of my last posts here, so it hardly matters. Just to clarify, we're not just cutting back, we're probably going to pull all our forces out of here, and let everyone else fight this one themselves.

Contraband circled it's objective.

The buey bobbed in the ocean as the SEAL's hung on to either it, or they sat/tood in the small porch like structure around the minisub.

3 of the men were armed. 2 with Mp5's, and another with a CX-3. The 4th man was still busy gathering information from the sensor network that was originally used against them.

The information being downloaded wasn't anything that couldn't be aquired another way. It was just another way to verify it. Simple things such as missile locations, AA emplacements, and the exact location of enemy ships. With this information though, Contraband could fire it's own missiles from a completly hidden location. With this information half of the Texan fleet could be sunk within the opening moments of any hostilities.

Better yet, after the download was complete, an upload of a weapons grade computer virus would begin. It wasn't really designed to take out enemy ships or installations, but really just the sensor network itself.

Once this was accomplished the sub could be anywhere, 15KM's from the Texan's waters, or 1.5KM's from the Texan's shores.

Anything was possible.

The Halberdgardian task force has completed its withdrawal from international waters outside of C&T territory, and is now engaged in the Monitgnac Civil War.

I'm keeping a sub and a few cruisers here just because i'm having a good time.

"sir someone is hacking our sonars"
"hmmm ok send team delta out there"
*five minutes later a small moter boat shot out of the Port of Coupus on it was the six man and woman team. Each memer had a sawed off 12 guage and an M4 speeding towards the sonars*

*the team's boat came closer the leader spotting men climbing on the sonar tower he rasises his weapon and fires into the air*

The download was complete and the upload was almost done when the small boat came towards the buey.

"Incoming!" was yelled as the team members fire at the small boat.

"Upload complete!" the team member yelled as he ducked into the water to avoid the incoming fire.

The mini-sub dove underneath the water.

Unknown to the Texan's, a large amount of C4 was completly hidden behind an electical console on the buey. It was completly undectable. This was the insurance policy when operating at sea.

*looking at his crew the leader says*"macintire go cheack it out see what happened and fix it if you can"
*a slinder man dives off the boat and swims towards the sonar*

(OOC: It's already have been spread throughout the network, anyway)

IC:

The minisub raised it's periscope.

A man was near the sonar buey.

"5...4....3....2....1..." the team commander was counting down as the opposing teams crewmember headed for the buey.

"He's in the killzone now, but wait for him to climb up on it."

(OOC2: Remember, you don't know if this was us or not. For all you know we were just more bandits because SEAL's don't wear flags or any reconizable cammo. For all we know it's either you or one of the other few fleets here.)

*the young man climbs on hoooking his computer up and starts to typ*

"He's up now," the team scout said while surveying the area. "Blow the charge" the commander said.

Just then the demolitions man hit the switch.

A fireball erupted from the buey. The man on it was no longer visable for an undetermined reason, and all that remained of the buey sank into the water.

*the rest of the team jerks back covering there eyes*"what the frag? Command the is the kill team someone just blew up our sonar"*staic...*"this is to all ships prepare to engage anyone that is not one of our allies it is on now someone killed one of our boys all ships return to high alert tow the line!"
*all ove the border ships go to full alerat weapons stations are manned*

The message had been intercepted at the exact same time the minisub was back enclosed into Contraband. Even though the minisub was under radio lockout the crew of the main sub knew the mission was a success, even though their original intention was not to kill anyone.

The sub glided underneath the water parrallel to the international/Texan water border, while slowly edging closer to it.

The sub immediatly, upon entering deaper water, dove to it's maximum depth and slowed down. At this point it was almost 100% invisable to anything, and it was staying well clear of any and all ships, seeing as how it knew the exact position of every ship in the bay due to the last mission.

***broadcast on all channels*To all non allied nations you are hearby ordered to leave the area who ever blew or sonar and killed our pereson will be found and executed***this is broadcast five times*

The McKagan cruisers begin to leave the area.

As far as anyone else is concerned all the subs left the area with the rest of the fleet long ago.

Meanwhile, Contraband slowly moves down an underwater valley inland into Texan waters under silent running conditions, while not going within 12KM's of any ship.

While this is going on the SEAL team sets in their breifing room laughing.

"Well, I guess their going to run us over with their pickup trucks!" they laughed as the demolitions man hung his vest in a wet storage cleaner and walked back to the briefing room.

"So, where are the sending us next?" the youngest member of the team asked.

"Well we may start laying mines if nothing else happens. There's also a lighthouse they want us to burn down at a later date. That would play havoc with shipping lanes."

"The funny thing about this is that they have every reason to believe it's a group of bandits running around here. Well, apparently bandits whooped their ass at that sensor buey. Who's idea was it to leave the C4, anyway?"

The team scout looked up, "that would be me. I've learned that it's always a good idea to rig something to blow up, makes one helluva bargining chip if you ever get caught."

*open broadcast***any McKagan citizen found in our borders will be taken on sight*

Contraband moved futher through Texan waters.

On the bridge the communications officer looked at the commanding officer. "Sir, the rednecks are threatening our citizens. Oddly enough, there are no citizens in Texas or Colorado. That said, we're not here either, are we?" he laughed.

secret ic:*houses all over C&T are being searched any one who has anything from McKagan is being detained*

OOC: You DO know that you can't say it was us that blew the sonar buey up, SEAL's are hard to ID.

Secret IC:

SEAL's from Contraband were now in the breifing room preparing for yet another mission in enemy territory.

ooc: aye I know my leaders just dont like you :p

OOC: Just making sure.

IC.

Inside the briefing room some heavy discussion was going on.

"What would hurt them more? If we take out the lighthouse there is a possibility for chaos. It would also be a way to strike revenge against that fisherman."

The Commander laughed "Wait... that fishing boat is still in the bay, if we catch the Texan navy offguard we could board them, and then blow it up! Better yet, we could use the minisub to plant a mine!"

*all along the border mini subs and mini-patroll boats start to sweep*

"Sir, they're launching new ships back there around the border, no threat to us anyhow. We're too deep for the patrol boat's to see us, and the mini subs can't make it this far out. The fishing boat is a few clicks away from here, do you want to torpedo it?"

The Captain looked up. "I'm not for going after civilian targets, but I'm dead sure they've got a communications unit aboard that. Take us in."

Time was not wasted in the response to the destruction of the sensor bouy. Several Unfounded submarine wolfpacks immediately punched it for C&T waters, followed at a distance by the rest of the Unfounded fleet.

At the same time, a number of picket ships separated from the bulk of the Unfounded fleets and began searching for civilian vessels. Previous infighting with the Shadewalker clan had given them all the experience they needed to know how easy it was to turn civilian vessels into floating torpedoes.

At the same time, a number of cargo planes left for C&T, loaded with weapons, soldiers, and a small number of translators, accompanying a simple message, unencrypted.

To Colorado And Texas Leaders

-Evacuate Submarines and Civilian Vessels to Ports-
-Unfounded Alliance Fleet intends to root enemies out-
-Sending Braves to Facilitate Communications-

*incrypted over aan all navy band*"all subs return to port*"then over an genral band all civilien ships are to return to port for inspection"

Contraband heading back to international waters. All of the Texan ships were returning to port. The sub could easily sink multiple assets, but it would give away it's position to the other subs that had entered the area.

The sub entered international waters and then stopped at it's maximum depth.

"We'll remain here to see what happens, they can't attack a ship in international waters and no proof exists that we blew up that sensor buey."

*the destroyers still in the waters continued to search with sonar, the battle ships kept a eye open, and the crusiers and patrol ships kept moving*

"I feel our job here is becomming alot more important," the Captain said as she walked back onto her 100% computerized bridge.

"Alot of fleets here have came and gone, while our nation has sent only one sub. Other nations are spending alot of money out here, and we're not. Thus far in this conflict we've inflicted more damage, but only fired 1 P90 magazine and 1 CX-3 mag, along with about 50 grams of C4.

We can't get back in there to take out that light house, but we could mine a shipping lane or two to inflict damage there, and if worse comes to worse we could kidnap the crew of a fishing vessel if there's one out this far.

Also, we can send in the minisub and place C4 on the bueys, mines around them, and a smoke grenade on top of the sings. If we do that it could draw attention, which would almost always be deadly to the crew that is sent to investigate. But remember, it's just bandits. If we have to surface we say we are here observing the illegal activity, and we saw the bandits rig that buey."

The Captain began to take in reports from the various departments.

OOC: Can anyone give me a rundown on all this? I have been interested in this but been shit busy with finals and this thread keeps growing and its hard for me to catch up. Thanks.

BTW C+T you put a post in my embassy thread but didnt specify whether you wanted an embassy exchange/Trade agreement/Alliance etc....Re-post in my embassy thread (link in signature) if your still interested.

ooc:I can not seem to lacate the link please post it
ic: one lone fishing boat sails out over the border.*

OOC: It was basically a standoff between several fleets for a while. Then because nothing happened people left. Someone dropped in a sensor buey net, which I sent a team of SEAL's from my sub to. We hacked it and then planted a virus. At which point a Texan SEAL's team came in, but we escaped. They sent someone over to see what was going on and discovered that the buey was rigged with 50g's of C4. The dude was killed, but the Texan's have been under assault by bandits and such, so they don't even know we've got a sub here (our main fleet left) and we're acting as if nothing happened.

OOC: Uh...ok heres the link. You may not be able to view sigs because of settings you have. I still could use a rundown on this whole thing. If i may make a suggestion your RPs lack some element and the * confuse me personal. ((NO OFFENSE))
Heres the link:
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=8897117#post8897117

OOC: Hmm that sucks for C+T sounds like hes going to get rocked. So its now some sort of special ops war between you and CT?

A team of SEAL's from Contraband leave the ship.

The mini-sub was crewed and armed just for this mission this time. With a pilot, a gunner, and the mine operations officer.

The grew closer and closer to the fishing boat that had just entered their grasp.

Pulling parallel to it they then crossed in front of it laying a mine. Then they shot a smoke grenade up onto the deck of the ship.

Once that was complete (going for a disorienting effect, btw) a SEAL slipped out of the sub when it surfaced for a fraction of a minute.

He had his waterproof backpack, enclosed was his backage.

A small device with a timer. He swam up under the ship and placed it on the underside of the hull. Setting the timer for 2 minutes he swam back to the designated place to meet with the mini-sub.

The sub surfaced and he climbed into the back of it.

Due to Mckagen telling me what is happining, i am sendeng willinks 1st battle squadron or, the fleet of the future, containing 2 CVN-21 Nuclear cariers, 8 DDX destroyers, and 4 CGX destroyers, along with 10 LCS littoral combatant ships.

OOC: Just remember, my sub has never left internation waters. And the attack on the buey was by bandits. :p

OOC: Hmm that sucks for C+T sounds like hes going to get rocked. So its now some sort of special ops war between you and CT?

Well, I can't really do much because he has the numerical advantage.

But yeah, only we don't know for sure if the Special Forces that engaged us were Texan or one of the other fleets, and he believes that my SEAL's were actually bandits.

OOC-


I know, im just watching.

*the moment the package is placed the ships starts to burst into flames*"watching from shore two secret police observe all*"I dont think we got any one but lets send out more"*back at docks more "fishing boats" head over the border*

OOC: So whos the bandits then? Whos attacking who and whatnot?

ooc*McKagan is causing the troubles the so called bandits were another nation I was killing

"Damnnn... that got hot!" One SEAL said as he placed his gun back on the rack.

His team commander looked at him, "That's ok, I just worked on my little plan with the Captain and Weapons officer... we're still going out... but we've got another idea..."

OOC: Ok C+T now that we are official allies (I cleared it all on the embassy thread) I can help you if you wish just make a formal IC request. Do it here since im watching this thread. Also who would i attack if i get involved?

OOC: So whos the bandits then? Whos attacking who and whatnot?

My SEAL's are fighting his forces, but he can't ID the SEAL's. At the start of the thread he was fighting some bandits or something, I just used that to my advantage.

OOC: Ok C+T now that we are official allies (I cleared it all on the embassy thread) I can help you if you wish just make a formal IC request. Do it here since im watching this thread. Also who would i attack if i get involved?

You couldn't attack me, as no proof of me attacking the sensor bueys exists, and the rest is covert.

You couldn't attack me, as no proof of me attacking the sensor bueys exists, and the rest is covert.

Well obviously but i can do an investigation or at least have some forces their to help any attacks. Lets see how this pans out then eh?

*broadcast on a secure channel to HailandKill* Hello our allies. We have a hunch it is the nation of McKagan but we have no prove please watch your selfs. Some one has tambered with our sonar towers but please search for any non-allied ships in our waters or near them. Then sink them."

OOC: Man, I'm gone for what, eight hours? And I've got three pages to read...fun fun.

"Admiral Perry, sir, a report just came in from the Indomitable. It appears that someone blew up a sonar buey."

Daniel Perry frowned. "Do we know who?"

"Not yet sir, but the Texans are saying bandits."

Perry did not like this. "How could bandits get out that far undetected? They don't have submarines, do they?"

"Not that we know of, sir," replied the young man who'd delivered the report.

"Interesting...tell Captain Owensford to keep a close watch on things and alert me if anything else happens." Perry looked back out at the sea. The sun was starting to set, as they'd been out here for a while.

OOC: I know it seem's like I'm not doing much, but that will change once something definite happens, like McKagan openly attacking a C&T vessel. Not to single you out, McK, but just as an example.

Well obviously but i can do an investigation or at least have some forces their to help any attacks. Lets see how this pans out then eh?

Yeah, but I'd like for it to remain as "anonymous is attacking us" for a while, and the gradually you begin to get closer and closer to finding out who it is.

I'd also like it if you didn't send a massive fleet here... :D

OOC: I know it seem's like I'm not doing much, but that will change once something definite happens, like McKagan openly attacking a C&T vessel. Not to single you out, McK, but just as an example.

I'd just ask that you not use massive fleet numbers to take advantage to me only having one ship out here.

I'm having fun with the cold war like thing.

IC-SECRET MESSAGE TO McKAGEN-


I am beginning to lay underwater taps off the coast of Colorado and texas. I have also launched an Aurora spy plane(pic (http://www.fas.org/irp/mystery/aurora.jpg)), flying at mach 6, over C+T.

"Sir, we've got a message from Willink, we can't respond or we'll risk being discovered. But I can send out a ping to let them know we got it."

"Go ahead with it, then."

Towards the rear of Contraband SEAL's begin rearming and moving into their mission module.

"Sir, we've got a message from Willink, we can't respond or we'll risk being discovered. But I can send out a ping to let them know we got it."

"Go ahead with it, then."

Towards the rear of Contraband SEAL's begin rearming and moving into their mission module.


You can send messages on the underwater taps, so it dosnt really matter. just release a message underwater, aimed at the ocean floor.

If there's one thing I've learned today... networks of any kind in this area don't last too long....

*remembers the 50g C4'ing of a sonar buey*

Secret IC

Contraband glides underneath the sea about 2 KM's from the border between international waters and Texan waters.

Most of the Texan ships had returned to port now that they had been asked to by another fleet. This meant that any ship out to sea was probably up to something.

The Operations Officer walked onto the bridge from her office. "Sir, that last ship was rigged to explode. Looks like they're trying to strike back at whoever blew up their buey. They used the same tactic we used to get their guy. We should have saw it coming."

The Captain took a serious stance. "Actually I did. I was just counting on the rednecks not being able to pull off anything that tacful. Anyhow, it was still a copy of something we did. Not like they thought of anything new."

The Operations Officer chuckled. She'd been off the bridge working on battleplans to help a Virginia-class sub survive in a warzone between fleets. But since most major fleets had pulled out she'd been working on guerilla tactics and how to keep her SEAL's looking like those bandits the Texan fleet wanted to find.

She'd found the best and easiest way was to attack fairly close to shore and always use common weapons. In the buey attack they had used Mp5's (a gun used by navies all around the world) and a P90 (belgiums have it for shits sake.)

But now that these "fishing boats" had came into play she'd been hesitant to put anymore SEAL's into play. That's why she'd advised the Captain of her new plan.

The plan involved sending up the mini-sub like always. And then sending someone out to plant a charge. But the mini-sub would remain futher back when it launched it's person. The man would stop halfway between the two vessels, whereas Contraband would have already worked into position and fired off it's torpedo at the "fishing boat."

Under this plan the SEAL's would be at relative or no risk, and the sub would still be striking damage to the Texan navy.

30 miles off the coast of Colorado and texas

The le'inflexibl class sub, the WNF-Cook (http://web.ukonline.co.uk/aj.cashmore/france/submarines/linflexible/linflexible1.jpg), runs silent, monituring the taps on the ocan floor. The captain looks over at the sonar, and manages to pick up the Mckagen submarine. He chuckles to himself, then walks over to his 2nd in command."Take command for know, i am going to rest." A few hours later, the captain is found dead in his quarters, with a self inflicted gunshot to the forhead.

OOC: Do you want me to torpedo the thing so we don't have another "Hunt for Red October"?

secret ic also I am drunk so sorry about any misspells:*crossing the southren border the three kill teams headed towards McKagan territory dressed like refugees from C&T they slunk towars the enemy lands*
ooc:incedently where abouts are you located

The eight Unfounded submarine wolfpacks spread out throughout the area, listening for any sign of movement, another fleet had up and plodded into the region, showing open allegiance to McKagan. This one had sent something more than a token presence.

Screams-Like-Banshee made sure to give the Wolfpacks orders to knock out any non-recognized submarine they spotted. Keeping close tabs on the C&T naval forces, the submarines hunted for anything that looked out of place. Occasionally, just in case the enemy decided to stop cold and go silent, one submarine in each wolfpack let out a sonar burst that sounded much like a metallic warble.

At the same time, the remainder of the Unfounded fleet, the three battle groups, took positions in C&T waters and began sending out Skyhawk Recon Planes, intending to catch the exact locations of any enemy fleets for a full targeting solution in the event one was needed.

If it came to a fight, Screams-Like-Banshee intended to send the entire enemy coalition to the bottom in one fell swipe.

And this time, he would not be able to justify not sacrificing prisoners...

secret ic also I am drunk so sorry about any misspells:*crossing the southren border the three kill teams headed towards McKagan territory dressed like refugees from C&T they slunk towars the enemy lands*
ooc:incedently where abouts are you located

OOC: I'd be better to leave my homeland out of this, as it's on the other side of the world. I don't like fighting a war on multiple fronts, it's not as fun.

Contraband glided slowly through the water. Closer to the bottom than most other subs would go, they were safe for now as the ridge they had around them seemed to be reflecting radio waves, so it would do the same thing to sonar. Better yet, it was hard to determine it was there for a while.

The sub had mined the bay. Placing magnetic mines at multiple, radom, locations. Maybe if anyone was after them they'd discover that the 50g's of C4 could have been worse.

*An imaculetly dressed woman sits at a desk. Behind her is the national flag. She looks up as the music starts and smiles*
"Hello my beloved land. Todays news is this. The goverment has aranged to send our forgian legion out to an undisclosed location to help a budding nation. The sneak attacks by Fortress Boulder have been halted the city states is now compleatly closed off. The boys and girls club have been baking cookies to send to our allies in the GUlf of Mexico for their help in the terriost acts takin by some undisclosed nations. When asked what he plans to do our beloved president had this to say"*cuts to footage of Ragnar DeVIll in full battle gear he slams his fist onto the map of the coast.*"Men and Women of this wonderfull moral land, I know we are tired of fighting but we can not and will not let our soverntiy be questioned. All of this started when those beast of Fortress Boulder tried to be bandits in our waters. We sank their low cost wood ships killing them all. When we were cleaning up some piss ant nation came ion trying to be belligernt but fear not our our brave and true blooded navy is holding our borders. We now have new allies in this police action brave Unfounded and great HailandKill. They prove that there are great lands out there. Thank you"*the camera switchs back to the young woman*"And now for the fun news."*the video turns to some corners poking a arm.
the voice over says
Last Night Tuesday, June 07, 2005
Dallas — A body part apparently fell from the wheel well of a plane coming in for a landing on Tuesday at George W. Bush Airport and landed in a suburban backyard, authorities said.
More remains were found on a North Colorado Airlinesflight after it landed at Bush said Tony Ciavolella, a spokesman for the Port Authority of Dallas and San Antonio. Police suspect the remains were that of a male stowaway, the spokesman said. He would not confirm that the incidents at the airport and Dallas were related, saying, "It's still under investigation."
Messages left with NCA were not immediately returned.
Police in Delu County received a call at 10:51 a.m. about a body part found in the backyard of a house. It apparently had hit the roof of a garage and bounced to the ground, said Officer Thomas Blanchard.
The NCA flight had originated in Commerece City, but made one stop in Maybury Montana..

"Sir, we've finished mining their harbor. We should return to our hiding position now." The Weapons Officer was always nervous and paranoid, moreso now than ever.

"Ok, take us in." the navigations officer began using the fly by wire system and moved the sub into a perfect hiding position where it was sheilded from most sonar percussions.

"Our next objective should be eliminating another redneck military target to get their attention. Our SEAL's are bandits now, it would be impossible for them to link them to us, they don't even know for sure there's a sub here!" the Operations Officer laughed while saying.

"Sir deep sonar has picked up many under sea mines also some blip but we think it is a big ol fish"
*in a really deep southren voice*" Aight get them thar mine sweapers out in dat arbor and start taking them out. Send some of my Seal boys to deys goot at dat work"

"Sir, they're dispatching minesweepers, it would appear. They probably think that the mines aren't remote controlled. We'll wait for the SEAL's and Minesweepers to get closer and then we'll blow it." The Operations Chief said as she watched the main Tactical Board that was covered with over 20 ships of various nations and organizations.

*The first mine sweepers heads out its equpment slowly taking out the mines. The first seal team starts to do the same.*

"We won't be able to get many people, if we wait the mine's will all be offline." The Weapons Officer said.

"Ok then, blow the field." the Commanding Officer spoke while setting down.

"Aye sir."

The weapons officer punches an activation code into the console to bring the mines under her control. She detinates the field.

A fireball can be seen on satellite survailance.

ooc:ow that means any of my allies in the harbor are dead also
ic: *capt James Hetfileds last thoughts as his ships is destrryoed is of his family Half the destroyers go down the other half limp to shore picking up survivors. The battle ships are damnaged but stay in position. THe aircraft carriers surge over the border out running the explosion. The seal team that was out dies at the first blast*

OOC: Not really. If your fleet knew there were mines there they would've had the allied ships back, I would think. But it's your RP, do it as you see fit.

IC:

"Got em' sir. That should cost alot!" The Weapons Officer said as she leaned back in celebration.

The Operations Officer, taking a break in the celebrations, walked to the Captain once again. "We've been out here for a while. We're not completly out of ammo, but i'm going to send out ping to a supply ship and have it relayed back home. In a few weeks it would be smart if we fell back to the Atlantic and resupplied. But we can last for now."

The Operations Officer continued, "That looks like it got most of the Texan fleet! We've not got to worry about their majors much anymore. Their destroyer fleet took the brunt of it, but those Iowa Class battleships got fairly well shot up too, or so it appears."

Secret IC

Contraband sails out of the Gulf of Mexico.

Midway up the North American coast a discreat cargo ship is waiting with resupplies for the besieged sub.

New weaponry brought in includes: mobile mines (can be 'driven' from a sub), magnetic mines, multifunction mines (what we used just now,) a rebotic sub as well as armor and two guns for the minisub.

Resupplies include: Mp5 ammo, P90 ammo, and CX-3 ammo. As well as a new stock of blue, red, and green smoke grenades.

(if anyone see's this it'll just look like a routine thing)

Contraband surfaces and the supplies are taken over after about 3 hours. After the transaction the ship is en'route back to it's hiding place where it secretly drops a sonar buey off at the mouth of the Gulf to track incoming ships.

The sub resettles into it's secretive course around the bay.

Admiral Goetz chuckled. Perry looked over at him. "What's so funny, Otto?"

"Have you seen this statement from the Texan president?" He pointed to the television in the corner, which was tuned to local news broadcasts. "He says that the valiant navy has driven of pissant nations who tried and failed at belligrence."

Perry smiled. "You think he's referring to us? Pissant? I would like to see him call us that when the Royal Army is marching in through the capital and the Royal Air Force is flying stunts above it, and the Navy enjoying shore leave in all of his ports."

"Hah, that would be nice, wouldn't it? But to tell you the truth, I am a little worried about this other fleet prancing about the Gulf, the Unfounded, or whatever they call themselves. They seem to have an actual understanding of what they're doing." Contrary to his words, Goetz did not look worried. He could have been commenting on the traffic, for all his expression.

"That they do, my friend, that they do. I guess we'll just have to wait and see what happens," replied Perry.

The flagship of the Willink 2nd fleet, the WNF-Utica(pic (http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ship/row/rus/kirov-DNSC9003793.JPG)) has moved into the area to join the 1st battle squadron.

Contraband sets at the bottom of a deep ocean valley.

One end of it empties into the bay area where the harbor that's been attacked is, the other goes back towards International waters. Along the sides of the valley are other small basins, what Contraband has been using to stay hidden. (it basically amounts to that if you don't run into the sub literally, you won't find it)

"We could send out the robosub (unmanned) to do some 'work', it holds 3 mines and a large variety of smoke grenades. It would look like a large fish, so no one is going to stop it." the Operations Officer said while making a note on a sheet of paper.

The rear door on the sub opens and slowly rushes in. Then the robosub quickly flys out and back towards the harbor.

"Sir, we did alot of damage to the Texan fleet, perhaps we could go and make them paranoid. Have a few of the remaining ships get attacked by small mines, and then fire some smoke grenades up on a random beach. They'll have no idea what's going on; eventually they'll start to flinch at every move."

The aurora spy plane lands back in Port stanley, after 5 sucsessful overfly's of C+T. Reports show mined beaches, major miltary installations, several air bases, and the naval dockyard with the remaining parts of the fleet. With a speed of a mile a second, any small alteration in the flight path would put it 100's of miles away. Info is transmitted via sattilite back to Willink, and we now have a good idea of military strength around C+T. Also spotted were several sunken ships, and the pictures are so clear you can see the individual mines in the water.

Encrypted Message to Willink

"Hello, this is Lt. Gillenwater from Contraband. We've got a general idea of where everything is from our last attack; but because the sensor buey network has been shut down we can't get a definate position here. Could you send us the information your intelligence network has? We've not got anymore satellite imagry from after our last attack, any help would be appreciated."

End Encryption

Encrypted message to mckagen


"Good afternoon, this is Admiral Smith, leader of the Willink navy. Our plane showed one ship still in the area, and Iowa class ship, and she is listing quite badly. Several abandoned destroyers litter the area, along with a couple of mines that were duds. One destroyer is still afloat, but was still on fire at the time of the photographs. It is most likely abandoned, but there still might be a skeleton crew maintaining the interior of the ship. One minesweeper hit a mine then apperently crashed into a battleship, damadging it and sinking the minesweeper."

End Encryption


OOC- Don't you think he is overreacting a bit, I mean a don't think a minefield from a sub would sink a whole fleet.



C+T, come up with something original-

Man's Leg, Torso Fall Out of Plane in N.Y.

Associated Press/AP Online


FLORAL PARK, N.Y. - A man's leg and part of his torso dropped out of the wheel well of a jetliner near Kennedy Airport and plunged into a suburban neighborhood Tuesday, coming to rest in a home's backyard, authorities said.

The flying body parts made for a ghastly discovery for Pam Hearne, who heard "a loud crash" and later was stunned to see a foot clad in an Adidas sneaker and a sock in the middle of her lawn, said Officer Thomas Blanchard. The leg and torso dented the shingled roof of her garage.

Police suspect the remains are from a stowaway who may have been crushed as the South African Airways jet lowered its landing gear.

Federal Aviation Administration spokesman Jim Peters said the pilot of flight 203 would have probably started lowering the plane's landing gear in the sky over the home in Floral Park, about 5 miles from the airport.

Peters said a Customs agent that met the flight at the airport found another leg hanging from the wheel well.

The airline said in a statement that the flight landed with "no impact" on the passengers and crew and it was working closely with authorities to investigate how someone may have stowed away.

The flight originated in Johannesburg, and made one stop in Senegal. Authorities had not identified the remains, which were hauled away from Hearne's yard in a plastic bag.

Hearne, a special education teacher, said that when she first saw the leg in the grass, "it didn't look real."

IC:

Encrypted

Thanks, we're hidden, but because nothing can see us, we can't see much without our robosub.

End Encryption

OOC: Well it depends. My original intent was just another thing like with the buey, kill a few minesweepers and a few SEALs, maybe damage a few other ships, maybe sink one. That would still shut down the harbour, though. Again, it's his thread, as long as he has resonable damage i'll take it.

OOC: SUNNUVA! I go to work, come back, and not only have things gone on without me, McKagen went and mined a major port, which shouldn't have been possible due to Unfounded wolfpacks hunting for the very submarine being used. Any sign of movement and they would have been all over that submarine with about ten rocket-torpedoes.

Nevertheless, things shall go on.

First a Buoy, then an entire minefield...

The pinging of the Unfounded subs ceased, and for a moment, all was silent in the vast waters of the Mexican gulf.

Then, three warbles coursed through the water, one from each of the Battlefleets. These warbles were unlike the simple pings the subs used. They were longer, more powerful. They were not intended to find positions, they were intended to survey.

It was a lengthy series of pings that gave the Unfounded vessels a decent 3D view of. Triangulation of the signals from each of the fleets gave them a near-perfect image of the seafloor.

The first thing the Unfounded Shadewalkers did was scan it for potential hiding places. They decided on six potential holdouts, and stationed a pair of heavy frigates over each 'problem area'. Each frigate had a small turret with two torpedo tubes directly on the bottom, and each one began pelting the 'Problem Areas' with Rocket-Torpedoes.

And now, the Wolfpacks began paying more attention to the newly arrived enemy fleet, preparing a hearty barrage in the event one of them god a little antsy...

OOC: Remember, still no way to link me to it. Although C&T's reports of destruction are a little far fetched. I wanted no more than the people who were in investigating it. Also, you can't have a sub crew watching the same place all the time, it's just a matter of moving the right way before the enemy does. Concluded, our other subs (the robo sub and the mini sub) are almost completly undetectable because of their size, anyway.

IC:

Message to All Nations, Navy's, and otherwise military forces

Upon request from the commander of a flight wing, a "training exercise" for our advanced long range bombers has been scheduled in the Gulf of Mexico tommorow. Our bombers will fly high altitude, low risk style bomb runs over the majority of the bay, dropping out app. as much ordinance as that which was used during the Saharistan bomb runs we are famous from.

This is an open warning that all naval and air forces in the area please remain close to shore between the times of 0800 and 1400 tommorow.

This is not an attempt to open hostilities, but our bombers have used another area that is now off limits. No damage to any naval forces, installations, or civilian areas can possibly occure, we just need to get the test off soon.

Thank you for complying,

McKagan Department of Defense
MDOD

OOC: The Unfounded, at this time, does not care. They know the following things.

A) Somebody's being screwy, and it sure as heck ain't 'Bandits'
B) You're there
C) You're not friendly

And they now intend to create the fourth condition:

D) You're dead

Unless ya rise to the surface and surrender, the Unfounded is now a-huntin' submarines.

Message to All Nations, Navy's, and otherwise military forces

Upon request from the commander of a flight wing, a "training exercise" for our advanced long range bombers has been scheduled in the Gulf of Mexico tommorow. Our bombers will fly high altitude, low risk style bomb runs over the majority of the bay, dropping out app. as much ordinance as that which was used during the Saharistan bomb runs we are famous from.

This is an open warning that all naval and air forces in the area please remain close to shore between the times of 0800 and 1400 tommorow.

This is not an attempt to open hostilities, but our bombers have used another area that is now off limits. No damage to any naval forces, installations, or civilian areas can possibly occure, we just need to get the test off soon.

Thank you for complying,

McKagan Department of Defense
MDOD

To the McKagan Department of Defense

If you so much as try to put a frisbee into the air over the gulf of mexico there will erupt a firestorm unlike anything you have ever before seen. Your planes will be shot down, any survivors will be hunted down and be survivors no longer unless something else gets to them first (sharks, for instance), and we will send word for backup.

Your very presence here is a provocation, particularly in the present conflicted circumstances. Scheduling 'exercises' in this region is simply more fuel to the flames.

You want to exercise? Do it off your own coast. The thing about water is: its the same everywhere.

Eyes-Like-Gopher, Chieftain of International Affairs, Unfounded Alliance

OOC: BTW, You don't know "I'm" here, you know there is a small chance a sub is in the area.

IC

"Well then, I guess that screws that."

MDOD

Aboard the Virginia Class sub, Contraband

"Sir, we've got a small problem. Our diversionary tactic isn't going to work. I'm asking Willink to do something to open up an escape route. We can fight these bastards here, but if we make a fun for it we're toast." The Operations Officer said in a scared voice.

"We've crippled their fleet, cost them alot of money. Lets get out of here until things die down! Then we can come back!" the least seasoned Weapons Officer on the ship protested.

"Look, this sub is designed for shallow water, slow, combat. We can take multiple hits, if we play this right we can be at our resupply depot in Saharistan before they know we're out of here." the Captain reassured her crew as she took in the last battle readiness report.

"We're not in their current search pattern, we can stay hidden for at least another 3 days. We can simulate a possible beach landing somewhere and then fire at them. If they fire at us... well, they still won't know where we're from to follow us. Our decoys are survivable. If they fire and we launch those it'll buy us some time, too. We've also got a rather impressive armament, let the bastards come and we'll hand their asses to them." The Captain was almost done with her propaganda.

She knew the sub could take up to 3 of the other subs at a time, but if Contraband was ambushed it would be near to impossible to come out unscathed. All the highly modified Virginia Class sub needed was a few minutes. With that it could already be headed toward Saharistan at 30knots.

She walked into her quarters and dropped her laptop computer down.

Encrypted Message to Willink Fleet

"We request that you conduct an unplanned, mock, war games exercise in the bay. Make as much noise as you can, and make sure to get some fire off toward those Unfounded dudes. Just make sure that you get their attention."

End Encryption

With that, the Captain locked her door, safeted her sidearm, stripped, and went to bed.

On the bridge it was quite. The crew wasn't paranoid. More like "observant." They had 4 other submarines on the Tactical Display. It was possible the Virginia Class sub could be turned into a gunship, but still the odds were slim that the complete compliment would survive.

(OOC2: If this goes to a direct battle, remember, you don't know who we are. Also, I'd like to RP it that were we don't say our launches scored hits on each other.)

OOC: Oh they know you're there alright. They may not know its 'you', but they know your submarine is in the area almost out of gut instinct more than anything. And also, Unfounded Submarines (specific model name is 'Thresher') ain't exactly pushovers in any event. They're about 10 percent longer than a SeaWolf, they ALWAYS travel in threes, and they can pump out six Rocket-Torpedoes at once.

The Rocket-Torpedoes themselves are pretty much water-borne missiles, using a little spray thingie at the tip to reduce friction in the water by creating a small gas envelope around the torpedo as it moves (saw it in popular mechanics, wondered why nobody else had used it yet). Effective maximum speed is about 240mph for the torpedo.

These little injuns ain't exactly backwards. Enough bragging though.

In addendum: RPing such that we don't say our hits hit each other is how its SUPPOSED to be done. Just saying that you're outside anybody's search pattern is severely pushing it, as the Unfounded has quite a few vessels dedicated to hunting tin-cans.

And you've got torpedoes to worry about in any event.

Screams-Like-Banshee sipped a small amount of his favorite drink while he surveyed the amazingly detailed schematic, even showing nooks and crannies of barrier reefs. Presently, all six of the hot spots were being given a cursory bombardment just to make sure that nobody was in there, but Banshee wanted to go over the readout inch-by-inch, in the event that the warble caught the shape of their interloping friend.

Several Braves stood around him, also scanning the readout, hoping to find some vague notion of where the durn thing was hiding. Just trying to find something that even looked like a submarine in this readout, no matter how detailed, was a daunting task.

"Get me a comparative," he told one of the Braves around him, and the order went out.

A second round of warbles went out, just like the first round, and a triangulated image showed up on their plotting screen again. With a simple alignment procedure to get the first image and the second lined up, they went to work, checking for something that was there, that wasn't previously, and something that wasn't there, that most definitely was...

OOC: I saw that thing in popular mechanics. I didn't think it was practical. Now that i'm pinned down by them I'm seriously considering implementing them into the new "Weiland Class" attack submarines. That class is basically an upgrade on the Virginia Class, only even quicker to produce, and with more mission capabilities.

IC:

"Just keep us silent" the XO ordered as Contraband moved out of one valley system and into another.

The thing with the Virginia Class was instead of people asking you "How fast can your sub go, how deep?", it was "How slow can your sub go, how well can you control her?"

The crew of Contraband was going to use these systems to their advantage in any case, now. If it came down to a battle in these valleys, it would get ugly, really, really, quick.

Contraband was 4 KM's from International Waters. Whether or not Willink's fleet came through or not, the sub was headed, slowly, toward a zone that was a little more safe. The fact that it would probably take all of the night and most of tommorow to get there undetected.

With that, the small robosub that had been left on the ocean floor a few KM's back was moving the exact other way.

The objective was simple, draw attention away. If this meant throwing itself at an enemy sub, or just exploding; no lives were on the line with this sub.

ooc: sorry this is my first real on-line rp
ic* seeing that the damnage was not as bad as they thought prepares a news confrance*"Hello citizens this is a sad day*there shall be blatent fibbing* today whoever sank our ships killed many valient warriors. But all is not lost. We shall rebuild, we shall not bow to those that kill for fun!"*screaming this last line the newsman leaps to his feet slaming his fist down*
*in the port rescue crews move about, tugs pull the heavily damnaged ships to port as new ships flodd in*

OOC: Unfounded, what you're talking about are Supercavitating Torpedoes. Many nations have them, but they do have drawbacks - including the inability to maneuver and having no effective sensors after they've been fired. Their advantage is speed - very little moves that fast and is waterborne.

We would also mention that "opening tubes" while on a "deep ocean floor" is tantamount to exotic suicide, as the sudden pressure change would rip into the submarine. But in any case...

IC:
Danielle remained on station, her SONAR listening to what certainly was a large battle. Her position some hundred or so nautical miles from the fighting gave her the sort of invisibility she needed.

Rising, she washed her decks clean. Two crew appeared, set a hatchway - and the created runway spewed forth four more SHARD drones, their engines fighting for altitude. The tiny UAVs would give Vastiva a better view of what was happening - one which might give more detail on what her satellites had already spotted.

Mission completed, the hatch was secured and sealed, once again becoming part of her outer hull, indistinguishable from the rest. Her crewmen safely aboard, Danielle dove to a comfortable three hundred meters, just beneath the thermal layer - and raised her longmast to listen on what her tiny spies might discover.

OOC: I know the thing with the tubes, I've not really violated it yet, though. Question though, what would be the maximum depth they could be fired at?

IC:

Contraband launch's it's robosub.

This small robotic vessel was never really used in the previous missions, which is why it was being used now. Anything heading back into the bay was at risk of being picked off by the other subs. While it seemed inprobable that something that small would be destroyed, the people who were controlling it back on Contraband were making sure to keep it moving as fast as possible back towards it's target.

The target, the harbor that had been mined and blasted to hell. To simulate an invasion it was going to fire industrial strength smoke grenades up on the wreckage of ships and onto the beach. If the Texan's radioed for help, Contraband would glide the robosub in close to a target and detonate it, and then charge across the border into international waters, which it was now 3KM's from.

OOC: Yeah! Them things... I thought they had little maneuvering fins to get them oriented in the right direction before they hit top speed though. Ah well, guess I'll have ta come up with a more conventional torpedo for them to have to complement the Supercavitating... shit... I'm sticking with rocket-torpedoes tankyas very much.

ANOMALY DETECTED

Screams-Like-Banshee stared at the red and blue letters as they popped up on the viewscreen. Two indicators showed what appeared to be a pair of... shapes.

They had done so many comparatives now that the seafloor rifled back and forth like a weather radar. And sure enough, there it was, a pair of somethings creeping along the seafloor. Just like he expected. Only a fool would stay in one place and let themselves get pummeled to death.

"Reallocate the frigates, comparative ping every ten seconds now. And get the translator to send another message towards the seafloor, fire three torpedoes around both anomalies and transmit unencrypted. Notify me if they try to fire back."

-UNKNOWN SUBMARINE-

-PEEKABOO-

"Oh shit... oh shit.. OH SHIT!" the Weapons Officer aboard Contraband yelled.

"Ok, we're not dead yet! Bring the robosub up under that frigate and detonate!" Doughtery paniced out.

Then, the robosub made an eratic turn, upward. It picked the frigate up on it's tactical systems and prepared to ram it, where it would explode.

"The second that thing explodes get us the hell out of here!"

*the C&T dry dock was working over time to repair their ships as the new ones from Port Diablo out side Point Alamo flooded in*
"Sir the Republican and the George Bush Sr are ready to head back out, along with our fishing boats"
"Do it"*replies the port comandeer*

The senior weapons officer replaced the younger one.

"Sir! There are submarines all over this place! They just... appeared! Our sonar didn't have this many before!"

"Oh fuck, erm... target them all with the torpedo's, when I give the command launch and run!"

*heading out from port the Destroyer Republican and the Battle ship George Bush Sr went to go protect the few salvage boats still out. THe rest of the remaing ship sailed out protected by the subs that had been in dock*

"Sir, this is the endgame! Now or never!"

The Captain looked up. "Fire torpedo's at the closest subs, and bombared the port city with the missiles. When the last weapon is fired, get us out of here."

Contraband fires off it's payload.

*abord the Republican*"sir we have multiable incoming the city is going to be hit!"
"find that damn sub kill it we know who is behind this?"
*the city is hit the citizens jerked out of their beds by rockets slaming into the buildings*
*Abord the UCT Subbasher the fleets premier sub hunter*"Sir we have the enemy located locking and fireing topedos"

"Incoming!" the Operations Officer yelled.

"Fire off the decoys!"

Several small box like ordinance pacts float downward and the lead torpedo's impact that. The ones that didn't are still drawn toward the decoy before it's destruction. They impact under Contraband, still throwing the sub off course forcing it to recorrect it's course.

"Return fire at that subhunter!" The Captain screamed from her command chair.

"Torpedo's outbound!"

*looking at her radar the com officer see incoming*"sir we have incoming!"
"evasive monuvers then return fire Satan's Mother and Gods Wraith our other two sub killers in the area are reporting that they have contact and are locked"
*back at the com the officers says*"sir that sub I think it belongs to McKagan!"
"what? why would they risk war most be a rouge"
*the hunter jerks to the right her bow being cliped by a torpedo she lists a bit righting herself and retuns fire, the other two hunters move in locking onto the sub*

"Sir let's whoop some ass!"

"Go right ahead!" the Captain yelled back to her weapons officer as the sub turned. On the bridge repair teams were working on a communications console that overloaded in the last volley.

Torpedo's blaze out at all 3 of the sub hunters from the forward torpedo arc. 4 Torpedo's (not at once, we have to reload, I would think) are launched at each ship.

"Keep us moving! Don't let the speed drop below 28 knots!"

*Gods wraith takes a derect hit and starts to sink her crew leaping to the life boats, Satant's Mother launches her decoys as does Subbasher they return fire radioing in the loction of the enamy to C&Ts allies and the subs that are swiftly moving in*

"I want a complete missile AND torpedo volley on those last two sub hunters! Keep those other subs pinned down too!"

Contraband rocks from a hit directly in front of them which causes some minor damage to the front of the ship.

The weapons are launched.

"prepare to be hit!" Frag them drop the Typhoon!"
"Sir that wil short circut everyone!"
"I am radioing our bombers to prepare to drop the Typhoons I want that sub!"

"Sir they're breaking off pursuit, mainly because we've outran them 10 fold. We've got bigger problems though. That last hit agrevated the damage to the front of the sub. We're not taking on water yet, but the armor is majorly comprimised and we lost 3 torpedo tubes. I've got damage control uparmoring the inside of the damaged area. We can't go to our maximum depth as long as that damage is there." the Operations Officer reported.

"I want proximity mines deployed behind us, if anyone follows us out into the bay they'll have to worry about running over those." the Captain ordered.

OOC: *notes that Contraband, having been hit, has lost much of it's stealth capability* (the plating and such has been blown off, and there's this wonderful bend in your sub now... a direct hit is nauseatingly effective against a submarine due to water pressure). In any case she's been hit twice and is likely an easy target for SONAR as she's making noise like a pregnant cow.

IC:

"Holy Hannah... it's gone to a full shooting war, Captain."
"Keep us out here, and out of danger."
"SONAR reports a submarine moving off... more tube opening noises..."
"LONGMAST, continue E-band monitoring. Anything moving in our direction?"
"No, sir, though this is passive..."
"No activity. Any noise is likely to bring down the wrath on us."
"There are several planes up... very distant and heading is not - repeat not - intercept."
"Helm, steady, drift only."
"Aye, Captain!"

"Sir, one of the anomalies has commenced a collision vector towards one of the frigates."

"Kill it."

All six frigates responded to the Robo-sub's sudden moves with thirteen torpedoes. At the same time, a nearby WolfPack cut loose with a trio of torpedoes in order to finish off the robosub if the first volley couldn't, then turned their attentions onto the other sub which had suddenly become very much visible to them. Firing a cloud of countermeasures to throw off the torpedoes, they hauled ass on a roundabout vector. One unfortunate sub got one up the aft, but while damaged, managed to maintain enough integrity to return to the surface.

Two other wolfpacks in the area were also alerted to the situation by the sudden developments, and were on an intercept vector. As soon as they closed within firing range, they would cut loose with everything.

No holds barred now.

(OOC: I know that. The idea here is that it bent the shit out of the forward section but didn't actually penetrate.)

IC

"Ops, close the torpedo tubes and get us out of here!" the Captain ordered as Contraband crossed the line into international waters.

*incrypted to the Unfounded*"sirs go to passive systems we are droping a new weapon into the water I repeat go to passive systems shut down all but the most important systems."

Response to Colorado And Texas

Do NOT use experimentals. We have three wolfpacks closing in, one from behind, one from the side and one from dead on. They will turn that sub into scrap metal. Do not, repeat, DO NOT use experimentals.

"Fire at those subs!" ordered the Captain as she strapped herself into the tactical command chair. Although she had just ordered to shut the torpedo tubes, she knew that she had to cover her ass while running.

Contraband fired off a torpedo at each of the 3 subs in the forward group.

*responding*"aye we will give you the kill we do know who the hail from...McKagan...we think they may be in cahoots with Fortress Boulder"
OOC: just throwing in that refernce becasue we hate Fortress Boulder

"More fish in the water... "
"Threat?"
"No, sir, very distant... moving parallel to our position..."
"Keep me appraised. If something heads our way, we're going to play clam."

The three subs directly ahead of the 'Anomaly' had already fired a full salvo as soon as they approached nominal firing range, and had split up as soon as they fired, launching countermeasures to throw off any potential counterattack.

Fifteen rocket-torpedoes now scooted for the enemy sub, and veritable clouds of hissing countermeasures poofed from each sub as it prepared another salvo from a different direction.

And the other subs closed in...

"Incoming!"

"Throw up the countermeasures! Hard to port!"

With that, several of the rockets flat out missed, very few actually saw the decoy, the rest hit on the right side of the vessel. But the first bounced off when it hit and didn't explode directly on the hull. Anyhow, the massive explosion from the rest of them caused a rather deep incursion into the hull. Damage control teams were already cutting off the flow of water and placing up composite armor.

"Return fire at those subs just to chase them off!" the Operations Officer ordered as she stepped over a fallen beam on the bridge.

"Fire a volley at the other groups too! Keep them broke up! We can just keep running!" the XO yelled while getting up from the last barrage.

Contraband launches another volley or torpedos.

*the two remaing sub hunters lock back onto the McKagan sub fireing all they have volly after volly*

OOC: Remember, there's still no real way to link it to us.

IC: "Sir, the enemey subs at rear are near the mines we laid a while back (ooc: that was one of the captains orders)!"

"Blow that minefield when they're in the middle of it!" the Captain yelled while moving to let a damage control team remove a large peice of debris.

"Those Texan ships don't have very good aim. All they're doing is kicking up dust!"

"Sir, that sub is doomed... we have twenty-nine fish closing on its position..."
"Keep recording. None of our concern. Dampers on?"
"Yes, sir."
"XO, opinion - is this explosion going to reflect on us?"
"No, Captain. It should bounce off the thermal layer."
That got a nod. "Helm, take us down another ten meters, all slow."
"Aye, Captain!"

As Contraband exited the bay, a small fleet of 12 more Weiland Class (it's what we call our modified Virginia Class, now) subs entered the bay and opened up torpedo's on the wolfpacks.

On one of the subs a Captain sat at his command chair with a holstered sidearm. "Get those mother fuckers! Charge! Have wings 1 and 2 break off and cover the two that haven't seperated yet! 3 will cover the ones that have seperated and we'll try to chase them back into the bay!"

"Sir we have more subs incoming"
"Divert all ships to this point put out a genral call for help from other nations looks like this is war boyos" replies Captain Nancy Twilleger of the Republican"
*the whole of the southren fleet heads towards the incoming signetures.*

OOC: Remember, the "bandits" have built up a large fleet of subs! :p

IC:

"Yeehaw!" the Fleet commander yelled.

"the 3rd Fleet has Contraband, let's get out of here!" the XO on one of the subs yelled."

With that, the 12 subs turned and headed out of the bay as fast as they could. They made sure to disquise their way out by breaking up and then reentering formation. Making it near impossible to track them.

Then, then they rejoined with the fleet and headed for port in Saharistan.

OOC: As vastiva said, the Rocket-Torpedoes don't maneuver much, so countermeasures are durn near useless against 'em. And they're bigger than normal torpedoes too. I was prolly off a bit when I said they were 10% longer than a seawolf... I'm basically saying these buggers are some of the biggest subs in the sea, with special design features to keep them as fast as possible with all the perks of having plenty of armor.

Remember, the Unfounded does not use 'Standard' design specs.

By this time... the other six Wolfpacks had entered the fray. Opening up with everything on everything. Seekers and Streakers, about half and half distribution of sonar hunters and straight shooters, flooded the water towards the McKagan vessels, and several more frigates entered the area, pumping fire into the enemy Sub Contingent.

Hell, even the heavier vessels were pumping in firepower.

All in all, about one hundred and fifty torpedoes were now converging on the McKagan fleet from all sides.

OOC: Remember, the "bandits" have built up a large fleet of subs! :p

IC:

"Yeehaw!" the Fleet commander yelled.

"the 3rd Fleet has Contraband, let's get out of here!" the XO on one of the subs yelled."

With that, the 12 subs turned and headed out of the bay as fast as they could. They made sure to disquise their way out by breaking up and then reentering formation. Making it near impossible to track them.

Then, then they rejoined with the fleet and headed for port in Saharistan.

OOC: That would be the most noisy thing possible. Your subs are all dead by any sort of SONAR homing torpedo. At this point, it's "take massive losses". 13 subs - 12 at great speed and 1 injured and making lots of noise - make for excellent targets. This is exactly how not to perform sub tactics - the surface ships and bombers are going to blow the stuffing out of the "fleet".

OOC: As vastiva said, the Rocket-Torpedoes don't maneuver much, so countermeasures are durn near useless against 'em. And they're bigger than normal torpedoes too. I was prolly off a bit when I said they were 10% longer than a seawolf... I'm basically saying these buggers are some of the biggest subs in the sea, with special design features to keep them as fast as possible with all the perks of having plenty of armor.

By this time... the other six Wolfpacks had entered the fray. Opening up with everything on everything. Seekers and Streakers flooded the water towards the McKagan vessels, and several more frigates entered the area, pumping fire into the enemy Sub Contingent.

Hell, even the heavier vessels were pumping in firepower.

All in all, about one hundred and fifty torpedoes were now converging on the McKagan fleet from all sides.

"Mother of God! We count over two hundred fish in the water - closing on sixty ships, under and over..."
"Move a SHARD into the area..."
"Not enough coverage, Captain. We'd need all of them."
"Then do it. Record and uplink."
"Aye, sir."
"And if anything moves towards us, crashdive and scoot. We're staying out of this mess."

OOC: As vastiva said, the Rocket-Torpedoes don't maneuver much, so countermeasures are durn near useless against 'em. And they're bigger than normal torpedoes too. I was prolly off a bit when I said they were 10% longer than a seawolf... I'm basically saying these buggers are some of the biggest subs in the sea, with special design features to keep them as fast as possible with all the perks of having plenty of armor.

By this time... the other six Wolfpacks had entered the fray. Opening up with everything on everything. Seekers and Streakers flooded the water towards the McKagan vessels, and several more frigates entered the area, pumping fire into the enemy Sub Contingent.

Hell, even the heavier vessels were pumping in firepower.

All in all, about one hundred and fifty torpedoes were now converging on the McKagan fleet from all sides.

Subs were taking hits, but by most accounts, still mobile.

Several torpedo's were fired from one as it took a near direct hit from a rocket. It took damage but remained under.

At this point, the cruisers were shelling every non allied ship with their 5 inch guns.

While at Robynson AFB several B52's were being prepared for a bomb run, since the captain of the fleet had declared shattered bone.

Transmission to all vessels

"We're requesting a formal cease fire. I repeat, a formal ceasefire."

The Unfounded vessels continued to pump in torpedoes, one after the other, this time sticking with sonar-hunters. No way in the inferno could the enemy fleet take much more.

Screams-Like-Banshee turned as one of the Comms Braves shouted out something about 'Requesting a Cease Fire' and responded with the following:

"Feign comms failure. Ignore the request, keep up the assault until either they're dead or the Texans respond with an affirmative."

"Sir! Surface vessels firing on our position!"

"END THEM! Acquire targeting solutions, and send them a full salvo of our main guns, and let them taste our fighters. We will turn them into SLAG!"

As each vessel pumped in torpedo after torpedo, all of the capable ones, approximately seventy five vessels in all, turned their main batteries to the source of the enemy fire and commenced firing salvos in unison.

At the same time, interceptors and fighter-bombers went into the sky once again, preparing to commence precision strikes on any and all recognized non-allied vessels.

A veritable firestorm indeed.

"Fine then." a sub commander said to himself as yet ANOTHER wing of submarines came into the zone. They'd been out there since the original fleet went into the gulf and were on reserve for the Contraband retrevial.

With that, all of the cruisers fired into the enemy submarines at near-point-blank-range.

The submarines under the surface begain to flank the other fleet, and while outgunned, weren't taking as much damage as one would expect.

"Sir' our subs have them flanked!" a random XO yelled.

The subs begain to put fire on the other subs and ships, waiting for a Texan response.

OOC: Okay, that's bullshite. You've just had in excess of three hundred torpedoes rammed up your butt and you're barely dented? HELL NO. I've taken a couple losses so far, but your entire fleet should be nothing but scrap metal on the seafloor.

Unless you're somehow operating under the impression that I'm firing peashooters at you, there is no freaking way you could withstand that much firepower. And trying to haul in more and more submarines is just BS. I actually lowered the number of submarines I was using in this engagement, as I'd had about forty something subs used in the battle against Hyst, lowered to 27 just for simplicity.

And besides, any other vessels entering 'the zone' would have been fired upon immediately. You would have been too dead to surround anything.

OOC: Ok, I'll say I've lost a few cruisers and about 4 subs. But you shouldn't say anything about me bringing in reinforcements. I had a fleet here at the beginning of the thread but I pulled it out. In any case, your fleet is no more invincable than mine. You've already got the numerical advantage, i'm not just going to let you run over anything I try to do to level the play field.

With that, I'm going to be forced to drop out of the RP if all we're going to do is OOC argue.

OOC: And I had three fleets already in there. With reason, no less.

I make no allegations toward being 'invincible' but we sure as hell have numbers and resources on our side, and taking that much firepower with a grin is just... no. Even Vastiva said that many reinforcements up and jumping in like that would have doomed them from the start.

And ya could have just surfaced after the 'peekaboo' message and avoided all the trouble (like I had hoped), but ya had ta run... Now you're pretty much in a head-on fight with the bulk of three Unfounded Battlefleets.

And with that, I am gonna head off to cool off.

OOC: I'm not saying we have to do this, but we could always do a replay from the peekaboo message. But I was under the impression you would just shoot me once we got up there.

Also, you must realize that if you take one of your subs vs. one of mine, it's basically a World War 2 era airplane vs. a current one.

You're "rockets thingies" have no guided systems, correct? That's compared to the "dumb bombs" of World War 2. My subs torpedo's DO have guidence systems, which is compared to a current plane.

Numbers aren't everything.

Anyway, if I'm going to have to sit here and sim only one way because you have it in your mind that you're going to win because you have 3 fleets then I'm just going to leave.

OOC: They are unguided for the most part, but they're also so fast that it rarely comes up as an issue, as with proper targeting solutions, there isn't a thing in the sea that could outrun one of them things, much less fool it. Its less like dumb bombs versus smart bombs than a modern fighter plane getting shot down by an orbital laser.

And the Unfounded subs can switch between the Seekers and Streakers with little effort. And towards the end, they were shifting further into using sonar-seekers to spread out the firepower.

The main thing here is that the Unfounded uses technologies that majorly push the envelope between modern and post modern. And I'm still trying to figure out exactly where that line is...

They very honestly would have simply taken your people prisoner if you'd surfaced. As they would simply have considered the issue resolved without bloodshed. Plus, by surrendering and possibly destroying any evidence of 'subterfuge', you would have avoided laying the blame on your fleet. By running and shooting at things though, the Contraband pretty much issued a challenge to the Unfounded, who are rather sensitive about such things, and bringing in reinforcements just shows the rest of the fleets exactly who it was that was behind it all.

I know I sound like a jerk saying it, but I'm just frustrated that I hurled that much firepower at your sub, first one, then thirteen, then who knows how many, you shouldn't even be able to afford that many. And got the equivalent of a 'tink' in response.

ooc:calm yall It may be wise to replay from the cease fire bit sorry I work alot so I am on sparadicly but from the cease fire? As for loss I think I have seen the most for Gods sake they fired into my city

OOC: I've come to a decision. I'm leaving this RP, as I am not participating enough. I'm averaging about one or two posts every three pages, and I'm not able to keep up simply due to my having to be at work every day until 4:00, and then having an hour's drive home. Maybe this weekend I'll get back in, but for now all of you can assume that my fleet has packed up and gone home. I hope to see some of you around in the future.

OOC: I've come to a decision. I'm leaving this RP, as I am not participating enough. I'm averaging about one or two posts every three pages, and I'm not able to keep up simply due to my having to be at work every day until 4:00, and then having an hour's drive home. Maybe this weekend I'll get back in, but for now all of you can assume that my fleet has packed up and gone home. I hope to see some of you around in the future.
ooc: you shall be missed it was fun

OOC: They are unguided for the most part, but they're also so fast that it rarely comes up as an issue, as with proper targeting solutions, there isn't a thing in the sea that could outrun one of them things, much less fool it. Its less like dumb bombs versus smart bombs than a modern fighter plane getting shot down by an orbital laser.

And the Unfounded subs can switch between the Seekers and Streakers with little effort. And towards the end, they were shifting further into using sonar-seekers to spread out the firepower.

The main thing here is that the Unfounded uses technologies that majorly push the envelope between modern and post modern. And I'm still trying to figure out exactly where that line is...

They very honestly would have simply taken your people prisoner if you'd surfaced. As they would simply have considered the issue resolved without bloodshed. Plus, by surrendering and possibly destroying any evidence of 'subterfuge', you would have avoided laying the blame on your fleet. By running and shooting at things though, the Contraband pretty much issued a challenge to the Unfounded, who are rather sensitive about such things, and bringing in reinforcements just shows the rest of the fleets exactly who it was that was behind it all.

I know I sound like a jerk saying it, but I'm just frustrated that I hurled that much firepower at your sub, first one, then thirteen, then who knows how many, you shouldn't even be able to afford that many. And got the equivalent of a 'tink' in response.

I've got enough of a defense budget to have more than 13 subs. I don't focus on hardly any new R&D for the army. It's really just the Navy and Air Force. I'm counting on my army never having to fight for a long time, that the AF and Navy can stop anyone.

Anyhow, we could just say that they're is a cease fire and now we're working towards a peaceful solution. While all this is going on, we could have a side story about the reason Contraband was attacking Texan targets. I've got alot of thought investigated into this little RP.

The thing is, the way you had talked, you made the Unfounded out as like they were going to blow the sub up anyway. You said they wanted to add "your dead" to the list of things, so I thought that rulled any chance of diplomacy out.

Can someone please tell me what happended in the past 8 hours RL? Im lazy as hell so im not gonna check it myself.

ooc: it looks like it shall be a cease fire after McKagan attacked my city.

*Lord PenDragon is here to help Colorado and Texas to rebuild the nation and help gave them supplies for the families that lost loved one and replace there homes they have lost.

RMV Slither (DDX, Contraband has left for repairs and refit) has entered the area and taken up position near the Texan border. While remaining semi-hidden, it's Seahawk helicopters keep up constant patols over a 5KM radius from the ship. Anyone or anything in the water within this distance will fall victim to the pinpoint accuracy of the 127mm main guns aboard Slither.

Along with 2 Seahawks in the air at all times, at least 20 Marines with a mix of lethal and non-lethal weapons are on deck at all times, and a Special Operations Warfare center underneath the deck of the ship moniters the waters off the ship to relay the information of any small things that approach. (IE, minisubs, SEALS, stuff I would do)

On the bridge, Captain Daniel Larson is signing off for the night after viewing breifings on the current mission statement, the other incident, and a new tactical overview for how he was to protect his multi billion dollar ship.

OOC: They are unguided for the most part, but they're also so fast that it rarely comes up as an issue, as with proper targeting solutions, there isn't a thing in the sea that could outrun one of them things, much less fool it. Its less like dumb bombs versus smart bombs than a modern fighter plane getting shot down by an orbital laser.

And the Unfounded subs can switch between the Seekers and Streakers with little effort. And towards the end, they were shifting further into using sonar-seekers to spread out the firepower.

The main thing here is that the Unfounded uses technologies that majorly push the envelope between modern and post modern. And I'm still trying to figure out exactly where that line is...

They very honestly would have simply taken your people prisoner if you'd surfaced. As they would simply have considered the issue resolved without bloodshed. Plus, by surrendering and possibly destroying any evidence of 'subterfuge', you would have avoided laying the blame on your fleet. By running and shooting at things though, the Contraband pretty much issued a challenge to the Unfounded, who are rather sensitive about such things, and bringing in reinforcements just shows the rest of the fleets exactly who it was that was behind it all.

I know I sound like a jerk saying it, but I'm just frustrated that I hurled that much firepower at your sub, first one, then thirteen, then who knows how many, you shouldn't even be able to afford that many. And got the equivalent of a 'tink' in response.

OOC: FWIW, I do not think McKagan understands Supercavitating torpedoes (yes, they lack guidance-check systems save that fed by the attacking submarine because of the "bubble" in front (sonar can't see through it effectively) - but you can't move out of the way. In other words, a supercav torpedo cannot be "dodged": if they know where you are and can accurately target you, you're screwed.

Further, due to the speed at impact, they are usually "One shot, one kill" weapons. The kinetic impact (very few are explosive because at that speed, it doesn't matter) is enough to chop a submarine in half like a bullet going through a balloon.

A "tink" is far beneath reality. Once it hit double digits of torpedoes on one submarine - and a badly damaged one at that - that submarine was gone.

Given the amount of firepower raining down on your submarines, all thirteen should be completely destroyed. Not "hit a few times" - these are not ships, a direct hit on a submarine is usually fatal, several is a guaranteed kill. A good part of the reason is the incompressability of water - armor will not help you past a certain depth as the water pressure will shear your submarine in half. No modern submarine can take "repeated hits at depth" and manage to survive.

So what we have here is torpedoes you can't dodge, your fleet is excessively noisy, and you have shown no effective countermeasures to those torpedoes. You should have lost your whole fleet of submarines.

OOC: Its not the Thirteen subs that are the issue, its the 'second wave' of submarines that is somehow enough to 'surround' my swarm of subs. I have no doubt ya'd be able to afford fifteen or even twenty subs that size, any more though and you'd be hard pressed to field much else in your navy and not have them be much more than canoes with an uzi or two.

Your surface fleet itself was okay, though, but at that point, your submarine fleet outnumbered THAT.

And yeah, I guess that bit about making 'you're dead' a new condition would be confusing. THEY want to kill you, *I* wanted ya to surrender. They're honorbound to treat you as noncombatives (I.E. not kill you on sight) until they can prove that you were involved in anything with a death toll. I prolly should have mentioned that...

The fact that there was a second wave isn't really THAT bad. I had another fleet earlier, but I pulled them out. I was just figuring they used that as cover to stay the same way Contraband did.

And I never said "surround" (I don't think, anyway) I said flank. A flanking manuver is (from what I know,) just someone attacking from one side to get the enemy fire concentrated that way, and then another unit coming in from a side to cut into the enemy.

OOC: FWIW, I do not think McKagan understands Supercavitating torpedoes (yes, they lack guidance-check systems save that fed by the attacking submarine because of the "bubble" in front (sonar can't see through it effectively) - but you can't move out of the way. In other words, a supercav torpedo cannot be "dodged": if they know where you are and can accurately target you, you're screwed.

Further, due to the speed at impact, they are usually "One shot, one kill" weapons. The kinetic impact (very few are explosive because at that speed, it doesn't matter) is enough to chop a submarine in half like a bullet going through a balloon.

A "tink" is far beneath reality. Once it hit double digits of torpedoes on one submarine - and a badly damaged one at that - that submarine was gone.

Given the amount of firepower raining down on your submarines, all thirteen should be completely destroyed. Not "hit a few times" - these are not ships, a direct hit on a submarine is usually fatal, several is a guaranteed kill. A good part of the reason is the incompressability of water - armor will not help you past a certain depth as the water pressure will shear your submarine in half. No modern submarine can take "repeated hits at depth" and manage to survive.

So what we have here is torpedoes you can't dodge, your fleet is excessively noisy, and you have shown no effective countermeasures to those torpedoes. You should have lost your whole fleet of submarines.

Well the fact is I never RP'd a direct hit, I didn't RP many hits at all.

But there ARE ways out of things, i'm not going to say that I lost my whole fleet just because that's the way it seems it "should," have been, anyway, i'm moving past that anyway.

I've basically gotten the RP to a point whereas the submarine battle means very little.

OOC:


Well the fact is I never RP'd a direct hit, I didn't RP many hits at all.

Oh really.

"Incoming!"

"Throw up the countermeasures! Hard to port!"

With that, several of the rockets flat out missed, very few actually saw the decoy, the rest hit on the right side of the vessel. But the first bounced off when it hit and didn't explode directly on the hull. Anyhow, the massive explosion from the rest of them caused a rather deep incursion into the hull. Damage control teams were already cutting off the flow of water and placing up composite armor.

"Return fire at those subs just to chase them off!" the Operations Officer ordered as she stepped over a fallen beam on the bridge.

"Fire a volley at the other groups too! Keep them broke up! We can just keep running!" the XO yelled while getting up from the last barrage.

Contraband launches another volley or torpedos.

Looks to me like multiple hits on Contraband do nothing because you don't want to lose it. Multiple supercav hits would destroy the sub, not "bounce off".

And submarines are not ships, they do not operate the way you are using them because getting hit means they lose their "cloak of silence".

Again, personal opinion here - I'd retcon to where all of the McKagan submarines were sunk by the hundreds of torpedoes fired at them, simply because they can't take that much damage. At the very least, Contraband with "several hits" should be blown apart.

And the whole "bounced off" thing - :rolleyes: Torpedoes don't have to hit you to sink you, near misses cause pressure waves, pressure waves rip apart ships (this is why Mk46 torpedoes explode under the ship). To submarines, it's worse.

OOC:



Oh really.



Looks to me like multiple hits on Contraband do nothing because you don't want to lose it. Multiple supercav hits would destroy the sub, not "bounce off".

And submarines are not ships, they do not operate the way you are using them because getting hit means they lose their "cloak of silence".

Again, personal opinion here - I'd retcon to where all of the McKagan submarines were sunk by the hundreds of torpedoes fired at them, simply because they can't take that much damage. At the very least, Contraband with "several hits" should be blown apart.

And the whole "bounced off" thing - :rolleyes: Torpedoes don't have to hit you to sink you, near misses cause pressure waves, pressure waves rip apart ships (this is why Mk46 torpedoes explode under the ship). To submarines, it's worse.

It doesn't really matter. That whole battle was pointless, and since we didn't finish it i'm scoring no more than 3 kills on my subs.

He was complaining about me having a few reenforements even though he still had be outnumbered 2-1.

With that, can we either move on with the peace talks and negotiations type stuff like C&T said?

*over a all ship radio*"all ships please cease fire. Let us talk about this"
*icrypted to Out Post Canada yes you can come in and help we will need forces when we invade Fortress Boulder"

Larson had came back onto the bridge of the Nemesis Class destroyer (that's what i'm calling our finished DDX, btw).

"Sir, we've just gotten a message from the Texans, requesting a cease fire." a comm Lieutenant said. "Well they should know we've not been fighting for quite a long time now. Send the following message."

*Response to C&T*

"If you want to open full blown peace talks then we'll continue through your waters to a port city of your choice where we'll anchor off the coast and send people in," Larson said. "If you insist, we'll sit here with a 5km 'no allowance' zone. It's your call."

End Response

Larson turned to his Strategic Operations Officer. "Get a few more marines on deck, and keep the SEAL's ready. If they send someone after us we're taking prisoners."

OOC: I hope this post changes some things. It should at least give our people some more stuff to overcome.

IC:

"Sir, no word from the Texans. It's time we made a move." an officer on the bridge of Slither said.

"Let's test them, launch a UAV." Larson said while sitting down.

A few moments later a small remote controlled helicopter launched from the rear of the ship. It first headed towards Texan territory, and then turned back towards the mouth of the gulf. Flying outward it relayed information back to the operations department on Slither.

"Sir, this looks bad." someone from Ops radioed up. "It looks like we've got a hurricane entering the bay. If we try to exit the bay now we're going to get pounded, but it's going to be near impossible to get to shore in time to outrun it. On top of that, there's a chance we'd run ashore if we did that. I suggest we just secure everything and then wait it out here."

"Well, I guess that'll work. Have the Seahawks land and be put into storage in the hangar. Make sure they're tied down." Larson ordered. Before isueing a statement to the whole crew telling them to secure their quarters and not be surprised if things got a little rough.

After securing the 127mm guns, the crew sat and waited.

The UAV came back over the ship and entered Texan territory, flying towards the port city that they had only days before fired upon.

* The supplies we will be sending with be medical,food, and clothing, misc. supplies due to the fighting that has been going on. We are also going to be sending some tents over we the homeless will have a place to put there families and for other families that have lost there homes.

* We are not going to send any military personal unless we are asked to, right know we are here to help rebuild the nation and the residents that are living there. to make sure they are getting what they need.

* But they need our military forces to come over and help we will be over there in a heart beat to gave them a hand. To make sure all the civilions are safe and not to many of them will be killed.

* We are also going to send you supplies and misc. To help make sure everyone in the nation will have what they need and for right know we are pulling back our military where we can help with the clean up.

OOC: Is it just me, or do OPC and KR both look like possible C&T puppets?

Yeah.............

wth is with * ??

They are.

OOC: Actually, I did mention that I was also aggravated that I pumped you so full of the deathly stuffs and all I got in response was a tink. So I wasn't specifically calling you out on having too many reinforcements, which I'm still doing.

Plus, in saying that you had us flanked, when we were effectively approaching from all sides, and without consideration for the fact that the Unfounded vessels were in a 'shoot everything that doesn't look like us' mode, you're roleplaying my forces, albeit in just a small manner. Your entire submarine fleet should be sitting on the seafloor in very large numbers of very small pieces.

The best I would say you could get away with, if you are so dead-set on preserving your character's life, is that the Contraband was severely damaged due to the massive onslaught, and that by some stroke of luck, it was the only one that had enough hull integrity to surface...

Beyond that, the only thing stopping the Unfounded Submarine fleet would be C&T's call to cease fire.

OOC: That would be fairer then "a few hits", particularly considering the volume of fire used.

OOC: Is it just me, or do OPC and KR both look like possible C&T puppets?close they belong to my fiancee

*over a open radio line to McKagan"sirs let us discuss a cease fire. There has to be a better way then us blowing each other to hell and back"

OOC: I skimmed what was typed since i left. I am currently on a computer in the lobby of the hotel. I won't be back to MN for another 4 or 5 days. I probably won't read the full story till i get back so this is me saying that my stuff is just sitting there at alert status. I would appreciate it if no one attacked my stuff till i get back to MN so i can properly RP my losses and misc. stuff like that. Thanks.

OOC: Actually, I did mention that I was also aggravated that I pumped you so full of the deathly stuffs and all I got in response was a tink. So I wasn't specifically calling you out on having too many reinforcements, which I'm still doing.

Plus, in saying that you had us flanked, when we were effectively approaching from all sides, and without consideration for the fact that the Unfounded vessels were in a 'shoot everything that doesn't look like us' mode, you're roleplaying my forces, albeit in just a small manner. Your entire submarine fleet should be sitting on the seafloor in very large numbers of very small pieces.

The best I would say you could get away with, if you are so dead-set on preserving your character's life, is that the Contraband was severely damaged due to the massive onslaught, and that by some stroke of luck, it was the only one that had enough hull integrity to surface...

Beyond that, the only thing stopping the Unfounded Submarine fleet would be C&T's call to cease fire.

That's what i'm pushing for (Contraband is the sub I always use, i've became somewhat attached to the name,) but I will say I lost 2 subs before the fight ended.

Anyway, I was planning on having Contraband out of this for about 1 RL week for "repairs and refit."

*over a open radio line to McKagan"sirs let us discuss a cease fire. There has to be a better way then us blowing each other to hell and back"

"Sir, incoming communication from the Texans, requesting we discuss a cease fire." A young intelligence officer who happened to be manning communcations spoke out.

"Send the following response."

Response

"We'll do that, we'll start through your waters now. We've got a problem though, there's a hurricane entering the Gulf of Mexico now, it's going to eclipse us before we make it there."

End

A UAV was just off the Texan coastline watching the once enemy positions. It noted that the damaged ships had been removed to a drydock, and that effectivly, the harbor had been changed by the mine attack.

(OOC@The Unfounded: Is it ok if that when Contraband comes back, I have it equiped with something that is supposed to help stop your rocket things? Some sort of microwave things that can overload VERY FEW of the incoming ones? That's not really godmodding, it's progress, but I don't want to completly have your submarine fleet useless against us.)

*the alarm rings through out Port Christi the nativs start to board up windows as the millitary brings ships home the ones still out in the water get ready to ride out the storm*

"Sir, electronic eperations reports that the Texans are wrapping up their port cities."

"Good then, have the UAV continue our intelligence gathering operations. Take pictures of everything as for inland as we can get it, too." the Captain spoke right before he walked off the bridge to go get some sleep.

As he said that, a team of SEAL's entered a small boat to go and hack back into the network to determine to location of the rest of the Texan fleet before the hurricane hit.

OOC: 2 subs down? Unacceptable. I'm saying you can keep Contraband but the amount of fire you had thrown at you means the rest of the submarine fleet is very very very dead, and likely composed of very odd smelling oxidized goo. And there is now a very large number of Unfounded submarines giving your surface fleet the evil eye from several directions that they will not divulge easily. To say nothing of the rest of the Unfounded fleet, which is just waiting for any sign of 'suspicious activity'.

And I fail to see how anything related to microwaves would disrupt a Supercavitating Torpedo. Anything microwave related would cause water to heat up, which would likely reduce friction on the torpedo, actually making things WORSE for ya. Its like trying to stop a bullet by shining a flashlight at it. Your best bet to counter Supercavs? Develop them yourself and shoot me before I shoot you. It suddenly becomes as simple as a quickdraw contest.

OOC: 2 subs down? Unacceptable. I'm saying you can keep Contraband but the amount of fire you had thrown at you means the rest of the submarine fleet is very very very dead, and likely composed of very odd smelling oxidized goo. And there is now a very large number of Unfounded submarines giving your surface fleet the evil eye from several directions that they will not divulge easily. To say nothing of the rest of the Unfounded fleet, which is just waiting for any sign of 'suspicious activity'.

And I fail to see how anything related to microwaves would disrupt a Supercavitating Torpedo. Anything microwave related would cause water to heat up, which would likely reduce friction on the torpedo, actually making things WORSE for ya. Its like trying to stop a bullet by shining a flashlight at it. Your best bet to counter Supercavs? Develop them yourself and shoot me before I shoot you. It suddenly becomes as simple as a quickdraw contest.

Whatever dude, it doesn't matter now. We're having peace talks and if you fire on us it'll be bad looking for you.

Anyway, the microwaves were just an idea. Again, the new "Weiland Class" is supposed to have them, but can be swapped with normal torpedo's.

I guess Contraband will have them if it makes it back to theatre before we've all killed each other.

OOC: 2 subs down? Unacceptable. I'm saying you can keep Contraband but the amount of fire you had thrown at you means the rest of the submarine fleet is very very very dead, and likely composed of very odd smelling oxidized goo. And there is now a very large number of Unfounded submarines giving your surface fleet the evil eye from several directions that they will not divulge easily. To say nothing of the rest of the Unfounded fleet, which is just waiting for any sign of 'suspicious activity'.

And I fail to see how anything related to microwaves would disrupt a Supercavitating Torpedo. Anything microwave related would cause water to heat up, which would likely reduce friction on the torpedo, actually making things WORSE for ya. Its like trying to stop a bullet by shining a flashlight at it. Your best bet to counter Supercavs? Develop them yourself and shoot me before I shoot you. It suddenly becomes as simple as a quickdraw contest.

OOC: Microwaves have very limited use underwater, and like as not couldn't penetrate the "supercavitation bubble" in front of the torpedo.

Now, there are valid and useful counters to supercavitating torpedoes - the main among them being screwing up the targeting system before the thing is fired (at which point its wasting its time going after empty water) or forcing premature accelleration (see above) or... well, there are other things you can do. They are FAR from a perfect weapon and have a real problem with long ranges - and have to hit the target, where a normal Mk-46 will have a kill on a near miss.



Whatever dude, it doesn't matter now. We're having peace talks and if you fire on us it'll be bad looking for you.

Anyway, the microwaves were just an idea. Again, the new "Weiland Class" is supposed to have them, but can be swapped with normal torpedo's.

I guess Contraband will have them if it makes it back to theatre before we've all killed each other.

Alright, so you love your submarine. However, your damage should have been much higher - and dodging with "well we're past where that can be fixed" :rolleyes:

And "swapping" with supercavs :rolleyes: So now you have loads you just learned about?

Finally - a week RL means how much time "in game"? A submarine bent to all hell will require a major repair job, so we're not talking "it was out for a week".

OOC: Microwaves have very limited use underwater, and like as not couldn't penetrate the "supercavitation bubble" in front of the torpedo.

Now, there are valid and useful counters to supercavitating torpedoes - the main among them being screwing up the targeting system before the thing is fired (at which point its wasting its time going after empty water) or forcing premature accelleration (see above) or... well, there are other things you can do. They are FAR from a perfect weapon and have a real problem with long ranges - and have to hit the target, where a normal Mk-46 will have a kill on a near miss.




Alright, so you love your submarine. However, your damage should have been much higher - and dodging with "well we're past where that can be fixed" :rolleyes:

And "swapping" with supercavs :rolleyes: So now you have loads you just learned about?

Finally - a week RL means how much time "in game"? A submarine bent to all hell will require a major repair job, so we're not talking "it was out for a week".

A week RL would be 7 years in NS, if I understand correctly.

A sub doesn't take that long to repair, I could technically bring it back like, tommorow, but for all the shelling that went on it doesn't feel right.

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And "swapping" with supercavs :rolleyes: So now you have loads you just learned about?
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Well, it's been quite a while since they were introduced, the new class sub was designed with them in mind, and i've had enough time to make enough to equip at least one sub, and by the time Contraband is finished they'll be more.

A week RL would be 7 years in NS, if I understand correctly.

A sub doesn't take that long to repair, I could technically bring it back like, tommorow, but for all the shelling that went on it doesn't feel right.

OOC: FWIW, time is excessively fluid in NS - a week IRL has been anything between several centuries to "less then a minute" in various RP's I've been in.

Seven years is a tad much to repair that much damage - you could build a whole new sub in about six months.

As far as weapons systems - time to develop it, figure out how to make them commercially (in sufficient numbers to be useful), retrain commanders in their usage.. it takes time.

Well, we'll call it "repair and refit" and tac on a little time for the new weapons, but again, we've not got to start from scratch "now," we've knew about them for quite some time now.

So expect Contraband back in theatre around next Tuesday.

Also, just for the record, i've recalled the fleet, i've only got a destroyer here, and Contraband once it arrives.

BTW, I've been thinking, would there be anyway to cronically "fool" a subs sensors when they're launching this things?

Also, would it be possible to install both the rocket's and standard torpedo's to a sub?

Well, we'll call it "repair and refit" and tac on a little time for the new weapons, but again, we've not got to start from scratch "now," we've knew about them for quite some time now.

So expect Contraband back in theatre around next Tuesday.

Also, just for the record, i've recalled the fleet, i've only got a destroyer here, and Contraband once it arrives.

BTW, I've been thinking, would there be anyway to cronically "fool" a subs sensors when they're launching this things?

Also, would it be possible to install both the rocket's and standard torpedo's to a sub?

OOC: Countermeasures are always possible. Considering most submarines carry no more then ten torpedoes, a miss aimed torpedo is costly.

As to whether you need a special launcher - depends on your design. Here (http://www.diodon349.com/Kursk-Memorial/storm_over_the_squall.htm) is one article, though dated - there are many more. And NS fleets do have successful countermeasures - and use ships many times more dangerous then anything RL could manage.

If only I could figure out a way to make it cause damage if it exploded nearby...

OOC: Your problem - the explosive has to be mid-torpedo. Which means it's a nuclear missile (very ouch) or you remove all the explosive and just ram through the submarine (Kinetic Energy or KE kill weapon). Both are effective, though in different ways. Your main obstacle is range. A regular torpedo in RL has between two and five times the range of a supercavitating one, depending on the design.

Well then wouldn't it work to put the supercavitating torpedo's on the side tubes of the sub, for close range passes? and keep the longer range stuff in the forward facing things?

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OOC: Sure, but the presence of those side-facing tubes (regardless of open or shut) will cause problems in your stealth systems. Everything is a trade off.

And hitting a ship with a supercav torpedo isn't a guarantee of a sink, particularly the larger NS versions. They are excellent sub killers though.

OOC: Sure, but the presence of those side-facing tubes (regardless of open or shut) will cause problems in your stealth systems. Everything is a trade off.

And hitting a ship with a supercav torpedo isn't a guarantee of a sink, particularly the larger NS versions. They are excellent sub killers though.

Yeah I know, some of these ships the NS people use are so big that one sub couldn't sink it with most of their armament.

Just a question, but wouldn't it make more sense to put a supercav system on a SHIP? I mean, if you put them as the torpedo system (or part of it) on a destroyer, you don't have to worry about stealth AS MUCH.

Universal Empire sets out a small patrol group and discovers a lot of bandit bodies that have washed up... Shocked Universal Empire sends out a Seawolf Class Sub with Captain Powers for support, all in the name of peace and justice.

From RMV Slither, message to Universal Empire

"Thank you for your support. We ask that you stay out of Texan waters, or directly under us while we head inland to one of their ports for a peace conference.

Also, their is a Hurricane coming this way, so when it gets her you might wanna go to your maximum depth."

Universal Empire request permission to stay directly under and slighty ahead of McKagan....If this is denied Universal Empire will follow what is requested

The Captain aboard Slither had just came in from his usual visit to the galley at this time. It was usually quite and warm down there, and above other things, dry.

One thing about the Nemesis-class Destroyer was that somehow everything always seemed to be wet. It was very possibly just from the fact he had just came from a secret stash of "a beverage" he and the galley officer at this hour had preserved.

"Sir, we've got another message from that Seawolf that just entered the area. Requests to follow us in a standard escort positions, should we allow it or blow them to hell now?"

The Captain very seriously considered blasting the sub, but instead sent the following message.

"Well, if the Texan's don't mind then you can, but if they object we can't help you."

Upon receiving last transmission from McKagan sub, Captain powers request to occupy waters along with Mckagon as support.

Upon receiving these messages and obviously stressing out Captain Powers, he decides to go down to the galley and get a drink and maybe return to his cabin and take a nap

Appox. 1 1/2 hours later Captain Powers returns to the Cabin in a great mood awaiting the reply from the texans

Noticing strange ships on the radar about 4 - 5 miles away, Captain powers orders that a message be sent to the McKagan sub asking if they know what the strange objects are. Captain Powers prepares crew to take quick orders from the McKagan sub if this is serious.

"It's just one of the Texan ships or one of those damned Unfounded subs, don't panic."

The other Captain apparently didn't know that there were multiple fleets in the area.

"Just don't lock your weapons on them, there's probably about 20 subs around us at the moment. Those bastards will land a torpedo in you at over 220MPH. However, if you can, just keep an eye out around us and make sure that if anyone enters the 15KM safe zone around us you radio them and tell them to back off."

"affirmative, any subs that enter the perimeter will be told to back off...and what if they don't?...fire at will?"

"affirmative, any subs that enter the perimeter will be told to back off...and what if they don't?...fire at will?"

"I'd rather not go to our guns yet. We're going to get shot to hell if we do. There are at least 100 ships running around here, it wouldn't look good."

Walking into the bridge Captain Powers takes a deep breath and says "How bout some fresh air boys?".... and slowly backs off allowing the Destroyer ahead and Surfaces for a while

I suppose if a ship enters the perimeter and doesn't back off i will radio you and request what you want me to do.

Just then, the hurricane apparently decended upon the area of which the ships were occupying.

On the bridge it was panic mode. Pulling the guns down and locking the ship into nuclear safe mode (also keeps water out, :p ) was supposed to be finished in 12 hours, but the storm had overtaken them fast.

"Sir! We've got hell out here now! The sub is on the surface behind us too!"

There was a problem in getting any adequate communcations out now.

One minute the sub was above the destroyer, the next the destroyer was above the sub. The waves crashed across the bridge of the destroyer and water ran down the glass semi-bullet proof windows.

The hangar deck had already taken on a little water from the crash waves while locking up one of the Seahawk helicopters that been sitting out in the open. The water was slowly being pumped out.

The infirmary also reported in, stating several injuries from people ramming walls.

The following transmission is sent to the sub.

"We.... quest.... ou... 'bmerge...."

"OPEN THE TANKS!!!!...." screams Captain Powers as he rushes into the bridge... , the crew members quickly open the tanks and the begin the submerge, we wait until we think the hurricane has passed...at that time we activate the pumps to get the water out of the tanks, But we realize that something is wrong, the pumps are working.... and we are stuck at maximum depth.

Captain Powers sends this radio transmission, "We are stuck at maximum depth and doing everything we can to fix these pumps. We request that you send a small submersible down and try to help repair considering this is far more pressure then any human body could handle in scuba gear, and remember we only have a few hours of air"

RMV Firefox (Weiland Class Attack, same as Contraband, only without the holes) enters the Gulf of Mexico at a depth as to try and stay "under" the storm.

"The is the Firefox, Captain Powers I presume? The surface ship sent a message via satellite back to HQ that they were going to follow the coastline out to sea, they might come back in later, but for now it's a strictly submerged operation. We heard you were having some problems with the tanks and can't surface? Also, that you don't have much air left. It's a definate problem that a Seawolf Class sub is almost out of air. How long have you guys been at sea? Anyway, we have no idea how we're gonna get you guys out of there. We have a mini-sub that can be deployed, but we're too deep. If we go up it might get lost in the storm. Our SEAL's are working on a plan to go over and check things out, though."

"we are trying to come up with a plan... but we have nothing, our lives are pretty much in your hands."


In an act of desperation we are going to attempt to send our men up 4 at a time, there is one life raft that can hold 30 people, this is a 21 manned ship...we will be able to get approx. 15 to the surface, We are going to draw straws...we will radio you with the results momentarily

"Well that's never good. We've got a towline system, we could theoretically pull you upward, but the system is only rated for smaller subs. If we tried to pull the Seawolf it may break, and their is always a chance that if we bring you upward then the tanks will blow and you'll ram us. That wouldn't be good. In either case, how would you like to die, a torpedo, or suffocation?"

The Captain hated asking these kinds of questions, but she knew that if a nuclear sub was in trouble the crew needed to make choices.

An Operations Officer walked onto the bridge. "So, we have like, NO idea what we're going to do, do we?"

"we are trying to come up with a plan... but we have nothing, our lives are pretty much in your hands."


In an act of desperation we are going to attempt to send our men up 4 at a time, there is one life raft that can hold 30 people, this is a 21 manned ship...we will be able to get approx. 15 to the surface, We are going to draw straws...we will radio you with the results momentarily

"We advise against that. There is no craft on the surface that knows they're coming. The destroyer would be lucky to even see them, and communication is near impossible on the surface.

It's worth a shot though."

we have cancelled the straw drawing and and are going to make the lowest ranks stay behind, "I THOUGHT CAPTAIN ALWAYS GOES DOWN WITH THE SHIP!!!!" says a panicing Ensign, as Captain Powers just puts his head down and boards the submersible.....

We have made it with all of they people we could....We are surpised but only 8 people were lost... Here are the main ranking crewman out in the middle of the Gulf in a small raft that is taking on water fast....All we can do is wait for someone

"Sir, we've got a boat in the water over there!" the operations officer aboard the RMV Slither yelled over the sound of a wave crashing against the windows.

"Send our some Marines to pull them aboard, do NOT open the well deck right now! Just pull whoever you can over and send them to the helicopter hangar's and get them a meal and some dry clothes!"

A few moments later a small force of Marines were on the deck trying not to get thrown overboard, plucking sailors out of the water.

Yeah I know, some of these ships the NS people use are so big that one sub couldn't sink it with most of their armament.

Just a question, but wouldn't it make more sense to put a supercav system on a SHIP? I mean, if you put them as the torpedo system (or part of it) on a destroyer, you don't have to worry about stealth AS MUCH.

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OOC: So i'll put those on my enhanced DDX platform.... and if anyone gets within a half mile of me i'll blow em' up!

"OPEN THE TANKS!!!!...." screams Captain Powers as he rushes into the bridge... , the crew members quickly open the tanks and the begin the submerge, we wait until we think the hurricane has passed...at that time we activate the pumps to get the water out of the tanks, But we realize that something is wrong, the pumps are working.... and we are stuck at maximum depth.

Captain Powers sends this radio transmission, "We are stuck at maximum depth and doing everything we can to fix these pumps. We request that you send a small submersible down and try to help repair considering this is far more pressure then any human body could handle in scuba gear, and remember we only have a few hours of air"

OOC: Diesel, eh? A nuclear sub has, well, infinite air available from seawater.

IC:
Aboard the Danielle, this announcement brought some concern - others would be looking for a submarine - but not much, as the two ships were nowhere near each other.

"Continue at drift speed, passive sensors only."
"Sir, we've lost our SHARDs in the hurricaine."
A nod. "No great loss - the detonation sequences work well when exposed to salt water. We have more aboard?"
"Yes, Captain - another eighteen."
"How are conditions above?"
"We've pulled in our LONGMAST, sir. Rough seas."
"Keep me informed. You have the bridge, XO."

OOC: So i'll put those on my enhanced DDX platform.... and if anyone gets within a half mile of me i'll blow em' up!

OOC: Try "less then a kilometer or so". Range is the issue.

OOC: Try "less then a kilometer or so". Range is the issue.

Ok. Is the issue with range that it doesn't have the accuracy? Or it doesn't carry the fuel to make it that far?

Because I've been contimplating an idea for putting them on a ship for something like a "naval artillery" role.

Artillery (on land) has to be directed and such, so how about this.

Couldn't a Covert Team of SEAL's, theoretically, place some sort of targeting device on the enemy vessel? Wouldn't that give the supercav a target?

It's not so much that the TORPEDO itself get's guided in, but that the targeting computer aboard the ship can fire it on targets that are at a greater distance than they could just using their fire control system themselves.

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Ok. Is the issue with range that it doesn't have the accuracy? Or it doesn't carry the fuel to make it that far?

Because I've been contimplating an idea for putting them on a ship for something like a "naval artillery" role.

Artillery (on land) has to be directed and such, so how about this.

Couldn't a Covert Team of SEAL's, theoretically, place some sort of targeting device on the enemy vessel? Wouldn't that give the supercav a target?

It's not so much that the TORPEDO itself get's guided in, but that the targeting computer aboard the ship can fire it on targets that are at a greater distance than they could just using their fire control system themselves.

OOC: You're using up lots of fuel in a little time to achieve the speed. The torpedo can only be so big and can only carry so much fuel.

A covert team of SEAL's attempting to place a device during a shooting combat would be sharkbait. There are too many explosions in the water - which are fatal to humans even at a distance. Go dynamite fishing and you'll see what I mean.

And you can't "see" through the bubble. So anything mounted on the torpedo to "look forward" is relatively useless - it can't get a reading through the bubble.

OOC: You're using up lots of fuel in a little time to achieve the speed. The torpedo can only be so big and can only carry so much fuel.

A covert team of SEAL's attempting to place a device during a shooting combat would be sharkbait. There are too many explosions in the water - which are fatal to humans even at a distance. Go dynamite fishing and you'll see what I mean.

And you can't "see" through the bubble. So anything mounted on the torpedo to "look forward" is relatively useless - it can't get a reading through the bubble.

I'm not saying during combat, for all you know, it could be on an abandoned ship that's just sitting there.

Also, couldn't they just fix it so there is like, a cone on the front of the torpedo, and the "bubble" comes out like, right behind the very front of the thing?