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This is OPEN. Very open. Land IS available.

Nine months ago my nation discovered a continent called Manium. It was once active, but it has fallen into disuse. Now I trying to revive it.

(This is the continuation of this thread:

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=341737&page=1&pp=40 )

A few things/rules:

1) Manium is NOT an Earth. It is a COMPLETELY fictious continent made up by me.

2) It is, however a part of the NS Earth- meaning that the RP's are not exclusive to just Manium members.

3) I will be running this. If you have any problems, questions, comments or concerns, TG me.
*NOTE- vote is going on for second-in-command duties. Once voting is finished they can also be contacted for concerns.

4) There are three continents to choose from- Manium, Pescium and Cordensa. Manium is open to all (but almost full), Pescium is meant for old colony holders on Manium and Cordensa is meant for newcomers. However, if a newcomer wants land on Pescium they are allowed. Established nations *can* have land on Cordensa, but only if a newcomer wants a spot on Pescium.

5) New claims- new colonies or additions to them, defined as territories that you can actually hold- cannot exceed 1225 pixels (a 35x35 square, though the claim does not need to be square-like) in one (1) RL day. This is to prevent people from claiming the entire continent in two days. Also, any new claims MUST be posted in *this* thread for them to count.

Addendum: Claims MUST be RP'ed in a separate thread, and each new claim accompanied by a post (or a new thread if you so choose). Also, a user can only have one nation on Manium at any one time unless that nation is tied to the main nation, but any "added nations" cannot have more than one day of claims.

6) I will be the one administering and editing the offical maps, so when making a new claim (which can only be done in this thread), please tell me exactly where you want it.

7) New colonies on Cordensa and Pescium must start from a claim spot- i.e., the circles with numbers on them. Please indicate what number you want. On Manium, you simply need to tell me where you want your colony.

8) Expansions CANNOT go into a claim spot or encircle one. You must give new nations at least a week's worth of expansion.

Addendum: If there is no more available room on the continent and the claim spot is not taken (i.e., all that is left is the seven-day colony that the claim spot is entitled to), you may expand into it.

9) The red is mountains. The rivers are not to scale- they are only that large so they can be visible on the map.

10) Each continent's size is 174 million square miles, roughly 1.2 times the area of Earth (including oceans).

11) All new RP's must be posted here. It is your responsibility to ensure that you know what is going on.

12) All participants in a RP must be willing participants- no one can be "dragged" into one. Some people here do not have the time for extensive RP's and this must be respected.

13) The standard rules for NS inactivity apply here- your nation goes, so does your colony. Also, if you make a claim but do not make any posts concerning Manium (meaning not just the continent but also Cordensa and Pescium as well) within seven (7) days of making the claim you will lose your colony- but the standard rules for expansion still applies for nations wanting old spots. If you were active before but are not active, unless you give a reason 28 days of inactivity on Manium will result in you losing your colony.

14) Resources- Some of you may be wondering what resources Manium can provide for your country. I realize that I have not yet made an extensive resource map for Manium, but I do intend to if I find time. However, this basic rule shall be established: colonies will NOT be considered self-sufficient unless they have been on Manium for two (2) RL months. This is because it takes time to set up a colony and to actually make it useable.

Addendum:

As suggested by Vastiva, this shall be the (extended) matrix for gauging how successful your colony is:

Agriculture: A colony must have five (5) days worth of expansion for it to be agriculturally self-sufficient, since farming takes up a lot of land.

Economic: The number in parenthesis represents the extent of time you've been active on Manium (RL time), with the corresponding economic level (as provided by NationStates the game) for that week. You pass into each economic level once you pass into that corresponding (RL) week in your Manium timeframe.

(1)Imploded
(2)Basket Case
(3)Fragile
(4)Weak
(5)Struggling
(6)Developing
(7)Reasonable
(8)Fair
(9-10)Good
(11-12)Very Good
(13-14)Strong
(15-16)Very Strong
(17-18)Thriving
(19-21)Powerhouse
(22-24)All-Consuming
(25+)Frightening

15) Vacations and "Reserving" claims- I realize that we'll need a rule like this, given how expansions are carried out per day. Anyway, I would like to officially state that if you are going on vacation and you want to keep on expanding, you must first state the duration of the time-off, so that I know about it. You are then allowed to state that you'd like your colony to keep growing while you're gone. This will be acceptable under the following conditions:

1) On the official map, you will officially annex your regular one-day maximum claim.
2) Once that is set, you will get however many days you requested "reserved" for you on the map as an outlined territory in addition to the one-day claim. However, the outlined territory is not officially yours- others will be allowed to expand into it if they want to, with limitations. This limitation stipulates that you will get at the very least half of what you requested or five days' worth of land, whichever one is smaller, but what you keep will be at the whims of the other active RP'ers.

Addendum:

You don't have to be on vacation to reserve land. To allow for more RP time, active RP'ers can ask for up to a week's worth of land marked on the map, but the same rules apply for the vacationers- that land won't be "officially" yours until the time period is over and whatever isn't yours is still open to be claimed by others should they arrive there fast enough. You will be guaranteed at least half of the land, but what you keep will be at the whims of the other RP'ers.

16) "Bullying"- This is strictly prohibited. To understand what this means, it basically involves the use of intimidation as a means to get more land than you'd be able to claim officially. Now, ICly this would be okay (because nations do this all the time), and as long as it remains simply RP then I have no problem with it. If it turns into an instrument where someone "claims" more than they'd be allowed to then it becomes a problem. So, I ask that if you *do* want to ICly bully to please be OOCly respectful of the other users who also want land.

A special note in regard of this- any land that's outside of your control is a logistical nightmare to go over, because the land has no infrastructure that could aid your movement, and will remain so until you actually officially control it.

17) Claim Disputes- I ask that in the event that this occurs you do the following:

1) Attempt to work out the dispute between you and the other affected parties. This could involve either an agreement to split the lands or to simply RP for them.
2) If you cannot resolve the claim between you and the other affected parties, you bring it to my attention (or another neutral party will be chosen in the event that I'm involved in the dispute), and I'll attempt to help resolve the issue.
3) Should my help not resolve the issue between all affected parties, then I will make a ruling on the issue. My ruling is final.

Above all else, please attempt as much as possible to keep the disputes to yourselves because I don't have time to moderate all the minor issues.

18) Conquests & Land Purchases. These shall be handled differently than regular claiming: because territorial changes in this regard come in the form of treaties and involves previously-claimed land, it is up to the parties involved to work out the land swap (which can be any size as long as the two parties agree to it and it only involves previously-claimed land) and then let me know about the transfer so I can put it on the map. The map will only be updated after the final land-transfer is settled. This means that it will only be updated (in cases of war) once a war is finished, because I don't have the time to update the map every hour as would be required during wartime.

Also, no active colony can be completely conquered in a war unless the user agrees to this provision. This is because allowing the colony to continue as a province of another involves a "required" RP and I want to avoid that. Plus, I want to avoid some of the more negative aspects of RPing- namely, when it becomes a (no pun intended) bloodsport competition instead of what it's supposed to be- the story of our nations.

Other than that, happy posting.

The maps:

Pescium (http://www.geocities.com/dadothegreat2003/pescium.png)
Cordensa (http://www.geocities.com/dadothegreat2003/cordensa.png)
Manium (http://www.geocities.com/dadothegreat2003/maniummapofficial.png) ( Manium Geography) (http://www.geocities.com/dadothegreat2003/maniummapgeography2.png)
Elysium (http://geocities.com/dadothegreat2003/Elysium.png) (Elysium Plant-life or Geography map (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v626/Thelightningstar/Elysium-Plantlife.png))

OOC: As we mentioned in the other thread, Vastiva has absorbed the Hammerite Sanctur former claims, as per our treaty with them. So our southern border should go, well, all the way to the southern shore.

Okay, I'll make the edit.

EDIT- It's been made.

Manium-Related RP's (NOTE: It is YOUR duty to check this, and yours alone)

The Arrival (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=8794974#post8794974)
Taldaan's arrival RP (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=428267)
Lanquassian Arrival Thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=9136894#post9136894)
Safehaven2's Arrival (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=9148857#post9148857)
A Foothold In A Foreign Land (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=9167112#post9167112)
Arrival To Manium RP (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=429148)
Borman Landing Thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=9203151#post9203151)
There's Gold In Them Hills! (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=9298551#post9298551)
A Meeting of Two Empires (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=433986)
Sharina Founds A Colony on Manium (http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=9403975#post9403975)
The Arrival Of The Sun God (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=9416755#post9416755)
The Plunge Into The Unknown- Manium's Loch Ness (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=9518975#post9518975)
Brutix Arrival on Manium (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=9539400#post9539400)
A Bloody Morning in Branwyn {Hellfire} (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=440102)
Praeto-Brutix Colonial Pact Signed (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=444616)
Civilizing Cordensa (Manium) (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=445956)
Creation of New Bahrain (http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=446642)
The Journey To The Bizzare: Into Eggerland (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=9776078#post9776078)
The Great Manium Conference (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=454801)
Rising From The Sea (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=469987)
The Mitzel Conglomerate (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10471401#post10471401)
A New Arrival To The Continent (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=471663)
Brave New Worlds (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=473129)
Cordensa Anew, The Colony Says Bye (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=488217)

.:Also Reserved For Later Use:.

(RomeW, just move me up to the north shore. I'll make an RP aboot it soon. Also, I will make another RP about all my Protectorates so don't worry. Oh and... YARR.)

[OOC: Yey! Manium is back! Ph34r the massive yellow splodge of Neo-Praetonia.]

(RomeW, just move me up to the north shore. I'll make an RP aboot it soon. Also, I will make another RP about all my Protectorates so don't worry. Oh and... YARR.)

Done. By the way, for the record, "the Bactrians" is another one of my nations- it'll be the last one I put there (for myself), though if you don't want it there I'll get it rid of it.

*click*

Now, this a question that's always bothered me. If I take a spot on a contient/world i.e. Manium, Earth I, II, III, MMLXXVII, does that restrict my ability to RP with people /not/ based in those areas? What about there ability to RP with me?

Now, this a question that's always bothered me. If I take a spot on a contient/world i.e. Manium, Earth I, II, III, MMLXXVII, does that restrict my ability to RP with people /not/ based in those areas? What about there ability to rp with me?

And where are the maps to this Manium located?

The links to the maps are located at the bottom of the first post. I probably should make them clearer. The landmasses are somewhere on the NS Earth, in one of the Pacifics. They're intended to be close together.

"Manium" (as in the group of three continents I created) is *not* exclusive. You are not *restricted* in who you can RP with- you're allowed to RP with non-members, and you're even allowed to bring non-members into Manium RP's. Manium is just a place to put some of your nation's territory, or even your nation if you feel so inclined. I don't intend on creating an exclusive club.

My intention with Manium is to create an area where players can visualize where at least some of their land is and who exactly their neighbours are, two things that I think stops some people from getting involved. Without being able to "see" who your neighbours are, it's harder to know who to interact with- and with 100,000 plus active nations, that's a daunting task.

Look at it this way: Manium is a community where you can develop ties. Your ties will bring you to new worlds and new things to try, which brings you even more ties and more new experiences and so on and so forth. So I encourage you to join us- I hope to make this continent active again.

*bump*

:confused: Rome: *click*?

:confused: Rome: *click*?

Well, you do have to click the mouse in order to make a post, so...

Governor Chesko sent a telegram to The Island of the Rose. It contained the following:

Greetings from New Nycton. I am Governor Chesko, appointed by Imperator Flavius Valteen the II. Our government has had much history in the past and would like to ask you politelly. Some time ago, during the reign of the first Valteen, some amount of land was ceded to you. We happily ask that you cede it back. The Constitutional Imperium of Nycton then lacked the funds as a new government and can now fully support itself as a power in the world. Thank You.

As the telegram was sent, the Nycton military was in full activity. Many legions had been ordered to the area for a unknown region as of late. The two states of Augustin had their own effective government with minimal Nycton funding and support...but that was about to change.

Tag, I will post after church!

This is technically just for claims and the posting of Manium-related RP's, not for RPing. That should be done in seperate threads linked back here.

The reason for this is because I'm trying to transform Manium into it's own world, like the Earths, and also because a 1000-page RP (like the last one) is not an easy one to follow.

Yea, anyway can I please have that land that is north of New Roska or whatever in the northan area? pLease?!

OOC: I'm still on the map, so I'm willing to continue

Yea, anyway can I please have that land that is north of New Roska or whatever in the northan area? pLease?!

You're kind of boxed in there, but if you insist...you have it.

EDIT- Camewot: Noted.

OOC: I assume that we start RP'ing here?

IC:

Google: Camewot - Manium

When you think of Manium, you think of colonys. But not only colonys, the Camewottian government had made it its duty to bring you the most advanced vacation on earth. Because of the various gold and silver mines found, the local population is employed and Camewottian bussinesmen are bound to jump into the bussines. But the Camewottian government has also thaught of your safety, the police and military police are everywhere to be seen. Furthermore, the ministry of defence has commited the following troops to the security of the island:

33rd and 66th Infantry Division (1000 soldiers each)
50 M1 Abrams Main Battle Tanks
60 Interim Armored Vehicles
50 UH-60 Blackhawk Helicopter
10 F-117A Nighthawk
4 Los Angeles-class submarine
1 Arleigh Burke-class destroyer
2 Ticonderoga-class cruiser
1 Oliver Hazard Perry-class frigate

In short, Luventas is a thriving community, and the ideal place to spend your vacation!
READ MORE


OOC: This gives you a nice view, then we can start the real work.

Kiwipeso Galactic is now offering special prices that crash landed on data re-entry.
Suborbital from G¢ 500, Orbital from G¢1 000, Kiwipeso Orbital Hotel stays from G¢150 per night up to G¢750 per night for the Presidential suite.

Kiwipeso Military Inc. is offering special missions from G¢25 000 for conventional suborbital bombardment, up to G¢2 500 000 for nuclear space detonations.
(OOC: see James Bond, Goldeneye as an example of that)

And for the scientists, Kiwipeso Scientific Corp. is offering everything from conducting experiments from G¢5 000, to places onboard SciLab "Grand Central" Station from G¢50 000 per week doing whatever research you want.

Feel free to contact any of the Kiwipeso Inc. companies through our nation's telegram address or leave a message here if you are interested in a trip.
Remember, Kiwipeso Space specials are for a limited time only.

OOC: I assume that we start RP'ing here?

No. This thread is just for claims- RP's should be done in other threads. However, the links to Manium-related RP's should be posted here, however.

Hey, I'll take spot 1 on Condensa.

Hey, I'll take spot 1 on Condensa.

You have it.

No. This thread is just for claims- RP's should be done in other threads. However, the links to Manium-related RP's should be posted here, however.

So where do we go for RP's ? because I just did a pretty good one and I shall repost it in the other forums.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=8794974#post8794974

My arrivel on the continent, next post anyway.

So where do we go for RP's ? because I just did a pretty good one and I shall repost it in the other forums.

Make a thread, then post the link here.

EDIT- Any new claims (meaning new colonies and/or additions to colonies) NEED to be entered here with the location of the new claim so I can update the map.

tag

The maps are updated- I've given myself more land in the south, and now I border Praetonia.

That lake on the top left of the Manium map -- I claim some land to the right of that.

...and so Vastiva took over the continent, except for the bits Nova Hope claimed....


No, that's an awful way to end this. Someone POST!!! :(

That lake on the top left of the Manium map -- I claim some land to the right of that.

Given to you.

As Nova Hope is on Day 25 and counting... should they fade, Vastiva's military is already in his colony, and between the present force and the treaty obligations, we'll absorb his upon disruption.

*sigh*

As Nova Hope is on Day 25 and counting... should they fade, Vastiva's military is already in his colony, and between the present force and the treaty obligations, we'll absorb his upon disruption.

*sigh*

Maybe we can RP for his land (as in organizing a territorial division plan)? I could use some land that's actually by the coast- plus I've sent probes in his direction anyway. I'm personally disappointed at the lack of response this thread gets, but I'm thinking if we actually had an active RP it *might* help us.

Do you also think that maybe we need to redraw the Manium map so that we can actually see where most of the resources are?

I don't know how much of an RP it would be, honestly. In our joint thread, I've had to commit three Armies worth of troops to help suppress a "rebellion"... (insert really long explanation)... which, in short, has resulted in most of the population thinking Vastiva is a wonderful nation where the air is actually clean, and the 'rebel' is considering switching sides in any case, plus the minor characters have been bamboozled into supporting me as well... so the absorbtion should be rather painless and quick.

I've got to admit, I'm annoyed by the general absense of posts about Manium since the thread "switched".

You also have to remember the *size* of this particular behemothic continent. The area Vastiva already occupies is about sixteen USSRs, or 130,307,648 square miles (341,641,152 sq km). I don't even want to get into the size of the unclaimed area - and Vastivan claims are nearly landlocked as is, save on Sheepfruit Island.

I don't know how much of an RP it would be, honestly. In our joint thread, I've had to commit three Armies worth of troops to help suppress a "rebellion"... (insert really long explanation)... which, in short, has resulted in most of the population thinking Vastiva is a wonderful nation where the air is actually clean, and the 'rebel' is considering switching sides in any case, plus the minor characters have been bamboozled into supporting me as well... so the absorbtion should be rather painless and quick.

I've got to admit, I'm annoyed by the general absense of posts about Manium since the thread "switched".

You also have to remember the *size* of this particular behemothic continent. The area Vastiva already occupies is about sixteen USSRs, or 130,307,648 square miles (341,641,152 sq km). I don't even want to get into the size of the unclaimed area - and Vastivan claims are nearly landlocked as is, save on Sheepfruit Island.

I suppose I went overboard when thinking up the continent, although it was supposed to be that way so nobody could claim "everything" in a day logistically. As far as RP's go- well, I think we need to do something. I have wanted to do a Manium-related RP with you for a while now because it looks like we're the only two people left who are still interested. A purge of nations may be in order (especially of the "claim and runs"), but I hesitate given the lack of activity.

What do you think we need to do? I've been discouraged by the lack of response, but if you're still in so am I.

I'm not moving anywhere - Nova Hope and I have been babbling at each other over our claims on Manium since our landings... I mean, I dropped a rocket on him which nearly went to war... and we moved forward to the point I've invaded him at his request to put down a dictator and stop a plague... only I've turned the dictator...

There's potential here, though it will take some removals of "DeadWood" and a thread which puts up the continents and what is expected. The improvement over the "EARTHZ" series here - they're continents, they're admittedly part of NSEarth, not RLEarth, and there's room like you wouldn't believe.

I'm not moving anywhere - Nova Hope and I have been babbling at each other over our claims on Manium since our landings... I mean, I dropped a rocket on him which nearly went to war... and we moved forward to the point I've invaded him at his request to put down a dictator and stop a plague... only I've turned the dictator...

There's potential here, though it will take some removals of "DeadWood" and a thread which puts up the continents and what is expected. The improvement over the "EARTHZ" series here - they're continents, they're admittedly part of NSEarth, not RLEarth, and there's room like you wouldn't believe.

Do you think this continent needs a (slightly) more comprehensive geographical map (one that will point out the good soils, the minerals, the deserts, etc.)? It'd at least give us "something" to fight for besides just "some land".

Thoguht I had some land in one of the threads?

Thoguht I had some land in one of the threads?

I think you do...although I think when you signed up you went to a continent I wound up not using here, because it was another player's creation (that other player was supposed to run the thread with me but that has since not materialized, and thus why the continent is (as far as I can tell), not active). Regardless, I'll put you on here somewhere if you're not on the maps.

Well I'm interested, but nothing's really going on. Kind of indicative of NS as a whole.

=(

Well I'm interested, but nothing's really going on. Kind of indicative of NS as a whole.

=(

Actually, I have been waiting on a response from you in a thread I created earlier (it should be listed in this thread), and if you want to keep that going, we can. Plus, all this needs is a spark, and everything will fall into place.

Well, I'm off to bed. The Scandinavians, bump this thread for me later so that we can resolve the map issue.

Prae, here's a grand idea - Do Something. It'll give you a relief from constant comments on OOC threads.

Am I still allowed to claim some land?

Not too much, two, maybe three days worth for a colony...

Could I have that bit of Southern Manium between Vastiva and Branwyn (Sarzonia) please? Or at least as much of it as allowed?

If the land is currently unclaimed, the peninsula just south of Tannenmille, and the surrounding land for one day's expansion, I'd like to claim.

Your claims have been noted, but as I am not at my home compuer right now, I can't edit the maps. I will once I return home in a few days (I'm away right now).

Am I still allowed to claim some land?

Not too much, two, maybe three days worth for a colony...


OOC: Oooooh, Activity!

IC:
Official Communication to Lanquassian Colony

Ab-shalom and Greetings from your Neighbor, the Vastivan Colony of Sisu Arshu;

We offer you the same consideration we have offered all our neighbors: Vastiva will inform you in advance of any land, sea, or airborne activity, and will gladly extend trade privledges to your colony. We will also provide emergency aid as needed or required.

In return, we request the same considerations.

We gladly await your response.

Namaste,
Caliph Fiyaad Shamshan
Colonel-Governor
3rd Expeditionary Army
Sisu Arshu Colony
Humble Servant of His Magnificence, the Sultan of Vastiva

Could I have that bit of Southern Manium between Vastiva and Branwyn (Sarzonia) please? Or at least as much of it as allowed?

Official Communication to Taldaan Colony

Ab-shalom and Greetings from your Neighbor, the Vastivan Colony of Sisu Arshu;

We offer you the same consideration we have offered all our neighbors: Vastiva will inform you in advance of any land, sea, or airborne activity headed for your colonial claims, and will gladly extend trade privledges to your colony. We will also provide emergency aid as needed or required.

In return, we request the same considerations.

We gladly await your response.

Namaste,
Caliph Fiyaad Shamshan
Colonel-Governor
3rd Expeditionary Army
Sisu Arshu Colony
Humble Servant of His Magnificence, the Sultan of Vastiva

Official Communication to Taldaan Colony

Ab-shalom and Greetings from your Neighbor, the Vastivan Colony of Sisu Arshu;

We offer you the same consideration we have offered all our neighbors: Vastiva will inform you in advance of any land, sea, or airborne activity headed for your colonial claims, and will gladly extend trade privledges to your colony. We will also provide emergency aid as needed or required.

In return, we request the same considerations.

We gladly await your response.

Namaste,
Caliph Fiyaad Shamshan
Colonel-Governor
3rd Expeditionary Army
Sisu Arshu Colony
Humble Servant of His Magnificence, the Sultan of Vastiva

Greetings, Caliph, from the Taldaani colony of Syta.

I thank you for your kind offer, and wholeheartedly accept. We will of course grant you the same considerations. May our nations prosper forever!

General Kurir
Taldaani Expeditionary Force
Interim Governor of Syta Province

OOC: I'm still here.

OOC: I'm still here.

OOC: Neat. Now do something.

Official Communication to Lanquassian Colony

Ab-shalom and Greetings from your Neighbor, the Vastivan Colony of Sisu Arshu;

We offer you the same consideration we have offered all our neighbors: Vastiva will inform you in advance of any land, sea, or airborne activity, and will gladly extend trade privledges to your colony. We will also provide emergency aid as needed or required.

In return, we request the same considerations.

We gladly await your response.

Namaste,
Caliph Fiyaad Shamshan
Colonel-Governor
3rd Expeditionary Army
Sisu Arshu Colony
Humble Servant of His Magnificence, the Sultan of Vastiva


To Caliph Fiyaad Shamshan, Colonel-Governer, Sisu Arshu, Sultinate of Vastiva;
From: Jerome Blake, Territorial Governer, Colony of Alioth

Greetings and Salutations.

Provisionally, until I can send word to my cousin's government back in Lanquassia herself, I accept these terms, and under the Colonial Charter granted to me by the Republic of Lanquassia for these new lands, I see no reason why the Republic would countermand my decision in this situation.

Signed,
Governer Jerome Blake, Alioth, Republic of Lanquassia

OOC: info to come

The Great and Holy Empire of etc. would wish to lay claim to plot 17 on the continent of Cordensa. We are thankful for your time and consideration.

To: Jerome Blake, Territorial Governer, Colony of Alioth

We appreciate your swift response, and enclose the coder-frequencies for our deep-sea and oceanic navigation systems off your shores, coded as NEPTUNE. This should allow some basic form of "early warning" while you are setting up. Please note, these are navigational aids only, and merely show things to be there, they make no attempt to identify them. Don't be shocked if you pick up lots of whales and other cetaceans, the oceans here are full of them.

We have found NEPTUNE to also be useful in spotting fish schools early, once one gets skill in interpreting the datafeed.

We look forward to trade in coming days.

Namaste,
Caliph Fiyaad Shamshan
Colonel-Governor
3rd Expeditionary Army
Sisu Arshu Colony
Humble Servant of His Magnificence, the Sultan of Vastiva

Greetings, Caliph, from the Taldaani colony of Syta.

I thank you for your kind offer, and wholeheartedly accept. We will of course grant you the same considerations. May our nations prosper forever!

General Kurir
Taldaani Expeditionary Force
Interim Governor of Syta Province

To: General Kurir, Taldaani Expeditionary Force, Syta Province

We appreciate your swift response, and enclose the coder-frequencies for our deep-sea and oceanic navigation systems off your shores, coded as NEPTUNE. This should allow some basic form of "early warning" while you are setting up. Please note, these are navigational aids only, and merely show things to be there, they make no attempt to identify them. Don't be shocked if you pick up lots of whales and other cetaceans, the oceans here are full of them.

We have found NEPTUNE to also be useful in spotting fish schools early, once one gets skill in interpreting the datafeed.

Our messenger should also be forwarding a shipment of fermented tangleberry wine for you and your men. They grow like weeds on this side of the continent, but you will find their fruit to be rather sweet and pleasant, even if the plant itself is something of a kudzu and grows coiling above-ground root systems (hence the name).

We look forward to trade in coming days.

Namaste,
Caliph Fiyaad Shamshan
Colonel-Governor
3rd Expeditionary Army
Sisu Arshu Colony
Humble Servant of His Magnificence, the Sultan of Vastiva


OOC: Just to give everyone an idea of the SIZE of this place - please note Falastur's claim to my West. That's about the same size as the old USSR.

To: Jerome Blake, Territorial Governer, Colony of Alioth

We appreciate your swift response, and enclose the coder-frequencies for our deep-sea and oceanic navigation systems off your shores, coded as NEPTUNE. This should allow some basic form of "early warning" while you are setting up. Please note, these are navigational aids only, and merely show things to be there, they make no attempt to identify them. Don't be shocked if you pick up lots of whales and other cetaceans, the oceans here are full of them.

We have found NEPTUNE to also be useful in spotting fish schools early, once one gets skill in interpreting the datafeed.

We look forward to trade in coming days.

Namaste,
Caliph Fiyaad Shamshan
Colonel-Governor
3rd Expeditionary Army
Sisu Arshu Colony
Humble Servant of His Magnificence, the Sultan of Vastiva


To: Caliph Fiyaad Shamsan, Colonel-Governer, Sisu Arshu, Sultanate of Vastiva.

From: Governer Jerome Blake, Alioth, Republic of Lanquassia

Trade? To be honest, we're still shipping in supplies and such from the Lanquassian mainland, and our budgets have us doing so for quite some time. Our main goal is to get the new territory self sufficient in terms of food and housing. We choose the area we did because of early reports of resources that Lanquassia lacks, but if these are substantiated or not, we do not know at this time, nor do we have the manpower to investigate further.

However, should we have any surplusses in our supplies, I would be delighted to trade them for anything you might have surplus.

And, at the risk of creating an international incident, how about for the sake of my sanity we drop the titles between us except for Governer and Colonel-Governer? I'm not much one for paperwork, and my cousin had to bamboozle me to take this job..

Signed,
Governer Jerome Blake

To: Caliph Fiyaad Shamsan, Colonel-Governer, Sisu Arshu, Sultanate of Vastiva.

From: Governer Jerome Blake, Alioth, Republic of Lanquassia

Trade? To be honest, we're still shipping in supplies and such from the Lanquassian mainland, and our budgets have us doing so for quite some time. Our main goal is to get the new territory self sufficient in terms of food and housing. We choose the area we did because of early reports of resources that Lanquassia lacks, but if these are substantiated or not, we do not know at this time, nor do we have the manpower to investigate further.

However, should we have any surplusses in our supplies, I would be delighted to trade them for anything you might have surplus.

And, at the risk of creating an international incident, how about for the sake of my sanity we drop the titles between us except for Governer and Colonel-Governer? I'm not much one for paperwork, and my cousin had to bamboozle me to take this job..

Signed,
Governer Jerome Blake

Fiyaad laughed at this newest missive. "This one I like. Risaldar!"
"Yes, my Colonel?"
"That shipment for Vastiva, number... thirty six?"
"Ah." A clipboard was consulted. "Smoked meats, fruits in cool storage, and tangleberry wine?"
"Yes, that's the one. Add to it a deckload of Ghavami domes then have it proceed over to the... Lanquassian colony, over here." He tapped the map on his desk.
"Yes, my Colonel... but why?"
"Why? Because a little largesse never hurts things."



To: Governer Jerome Blake, Alioth, Republic of Lanquassia

Please pardon the formality, but we are sending a freighter of surplus supplies to you for your use, as a gift between our nations. Among them you will find approximately twenty-five large prefabricated domes; once errected, you will find yourself without worry about such things as weather. We have found them to be useful, as either emergency or temporary shelters, or as the basis for some forms of industry. Ours are currently in use as wings of our hospitals, as the domes will support conversion to parts of buildings, even with their coverage of nearly an acre each.

In any case, we gift them to you, enjoy them in good health.

Namaste,

Caliph Fiyaad Shamshan
Colonel-Governor
3rd Expeditionary Army
Sisu Arshu Colony
Humble Servant of His Magnificence, the Sultan of Vastiva

To: Caliph Fiyaad Shamsan, Colonel-Governer, Sisu Arshu, Sultanate of Vastiva

We thank you for the coder frequencies, and are sure that we shall make good use of them. We also thank you for your kind gift of tangleberry wine. It will be greatly enjoyed.

Although we are as enthusiastic as you are to begin trade, we cannot at the moment. This is not due to a lack of intent, merely a lack of stock. Any and all arrivals for the next few weeks will be of goods essential to the founding of the colony. However, our trade convoys will be rolling as soon as possible. On the subject of trade, there is something I must ask. Are recreational drugs illegal in your nation?

General Kurir
Taldaani Expeditionary Force
Interim Governor of Syta Province

Charter for the Colony of Alioth

The Republic of Lanquassia, recognizing that there are new lands to explore and develop on the continent of 'Manium', lands with a potential for resources that might solve the current economic issues within the Republic, and also recognizing that select groups of our population wish to emigrate to 'a new, wild land', do authorize the creation of the charter for the new Province of Alioth, currently the Colony of Alioth.

The boundries of the Colony of Alioth shall be the Alioth Peninsula, to the north until the Weimar River, along the southeast coast until the borders of The Water Cooler, and in the northeast until the headwaters of the Weimar River, as well as a portion of land along the coast of Tanian Lake. Any additonal land to be claimed will be first done so after discussing with any allies amoung the nations who have already colonised Mania.

The Colony of Alioth, until it has been shown able to support itself on its own in regards to food, housing, and other needs, as well as producing surplus for trade, shall be a Colony under the Lanquassian Constitution, and as such does not have the right to elect its own Governers. The Governer of Alioth shall be appointed by the President of the Republic, and confirmed by the Senate.

To assist in the goal of building the colony, the Republic shall be shipping large quanties of building materials and machined tools, to be paid for at cost, after the Province of Alioth has shown its ability to produce a surplus.

The Governer is to use the minimal requirements the Republica Federal Government demands of its Provences as a guideline for governing and running the province, but must understand that colonists in Alioth are still Lanquassian citizens and thus can vote in Federal Elections for the President and other Cabinate members, and the President and Senate both hold the ability to recall a Governer.

Upon the requirments for a Colony to become a Province being reached, the Governer must submit to the Senate the plan to place an interim elected government until the Provence of Alioth can decide what exact form their Provencial Government shall take.

Addmendum

The Colonial Governer of Alioth shall be Jerome Blake, retired Governer of Uriel Provence, as appointed by President John Blake and confirmed by the needed 55% of the Senate.

Signed,
John Blake, President, Republic of Lanquassia

To: Governer Jerome Blake, Alioth, Republic of Lanquassia

Please pardon the formality, but we are sending a freighter of surplus supplies to you for your use, as a gift between our nations. Among them you will find approximately twenty-five large prefabricated domes; once errected, you will find yourself without worry about such things as weather. We have found them to be useful, as either emergency or temporary shelters, or as the basis for some forms of industry. Ours are currently in use as wings of our hospitals, as the domes will support conversion to parts of buildings, even with their coverage of nearly an acre each.

In any case, we gift them to you, enjoy them in good health.

Namaste,

Caliph Fiyaad Shamshan
Colonel-Governor
3rd Expeditionary Army
Sisu Arshu Colony
Humble Servant of His Magnificence, the Sultan of Vastiva

To: Caliph Fiyaad Shamshan, Colonel-Governer, Sisu Arshu, Sultinate of Vastiva,
From: Governer Jerome Blake, Alioth, Republic of Lanquassia

Considering that you are sending us such a shipment, I think I can forgive any formality you may wish to use. My people thank you for the gift of the prefab shelters, as our first camps were resembling a 1960s M*A*S*H unit.

We will have to work hard to repay you for this gift, and althogh I doubt that we could match its monetary value, I'm certain I know of a unique way that we Lanquassians can express our gratitude come Christmas-time, and we will repay it.

Thank you again;

Governer Jerome Blake, Alioth, Republic of Lanquassia

My arrival RP (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=428267)

To: Caliph Fiyaad Shamsan, Colonel-Governer, Sisu Arshu, Sultanate of Vastiva

We thank you for the coder frequencies, and are sure that we shall make good use of them. We also thank you for your kind gift of tangleberry wine. It will be greatly enjoyed.

Although we are as enthusiastic as you are to begin trade, we cannot at the moment. This is not due to a lack of intent, merely a lack of stock. Any and all arrivals for the next few weeks will be of goods essential to the founding of the colony. However, our trade convoys will be rolling as soon as possible. On the subject of trade, there is something I must ask. Are recreational drugs illegal in your nation?

General Kurir
Taldaani Expeditionary Force
Interim Governor of Syta Province

Ab-shalom and Greetings;

No, they are not illegal, though they are somewhat restricted.

We will, of course, restrict that sort of trade to your colony should this be frowned upon, or on any other good which would cause contention.

As for trade, we are in no hurry at all. If we can supply that which you need, you have but to ask - compensation can be worked out later, when you have suitable trade stock available. In the meantime, we are far more interested in having a trade partner viable near our borders, and do make ourselves available in whatever capacity you wish.

One final bit, if I may - our initial survey included several orbital photographs of your colonial area, which I attach to this. If you will note, there were several sources of water shown, which may be of some passing use to you.

Good Luck, and we look forward to working with you.

Namaste,

Caliph Fiyaad Shamshan
Colonel-Governor
3rd Expeditionary Army
Sisu Arshu Colony
Humble Servant of His Magnificence, the Sultan of Vastiva

To: Caliph Fiyaad Shamshan, Colonel-Governer, Sisu Arshu, Sultinate of Vastiva,
From: Governer Jerome Blake, Alioth, Republic of Lanquassia

Considering that you are sending us such a shipment, I think I can forgive any formality you may wish to use. My people thank you for the gift of the prefab shelters, as our first camps were resembling a 1960s M*A*S*H unit.

We will have to work hard to repay you for this gift, and althogh I doubt that we could match its monetary value, I'm certain I know of a unique way that we Lanquassians can express our gratitude come Christmas-time, and we will repay it.

Thank you again;

Governer Jerome Blake, Alioth, Republic of Lanquassia

Ab-shalom and Greetings;

My dear sir, gifts need not be repayed - we were fortunate enough to receive aid when we arrived, and are merely "paying forward"; if you are insistant on payments, please do the same at some later time.

We will certainly look forward to Christmas hospitality, as we have heard much of this celebration.

Namaste,

Caliph Fiyaad Shamshan
Humble Servant of His Magnificence, the Sultan of Vastiva

To: Caliph Fiyaad Shamshan, Colonel-Governer, Sisu Arshu, Sultinate of Vastiva

Once again, we thank you for your hospitality. The water sources especially are much appreciated. I also feel that I must clarify something. We did not discuss recreational drugs because we do not want them, I felt it prudent to ask as they are one of our primary trade goods. However, we maintain a policy of only selling them to countries in which they are legal.

As I would not wish to take advantage of your hospitality too much, we do not need any goods at the moment. The supplies that we brought are suffiecient for now, and I would rather have something to give in return.

General Kurir
Taldaani Expeditionary Force
Interim Governor of Syta Province

Lanquassian Arrival Thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=9136894#post9136894)

IC:

To: Caliph Fiyaad Shamshan, Colonel-Governer, Sisu Arshu, Sultinate of Vastiva,
From: Governer Jerome Blake, Alioth, Republic of Lanquassia

We do so insist on repayment in the best way we are able. Lanquassians are a prideful people, bent on making certain that no good deed goes unpunished with kind thoughts and other good deeds.

We will, however, also pay it forward. We respect traditions other than our own, and this appears to be a Manium tradition that we find no problems with.

Signed,
Jerome Blake.

OOC: Figured out a way to save the PLAYER hassle! Copy + Paste! :D

We would like to place a claim on spot 39 in this new continent Cordensa and the area next to Sarzonia's claim on the main continent.

OOC: I know its a shitty claim but I promise the actual moving in will be much better.

We would like to place a claim on spot 39 in this new continent Cordensa and the area next to Sarzonia's claim on the main continent.

OOC: I know its a shitty claim but I promise the actual moving in will be much better.

OOC: Taldaan already has that block on Manium, and moving next to me is just a bad idea all around. Go West, Young Man. Big continent out there, no need to crowd.

OOC: Taldaan already has that block on Manium, and moving next to me is just a bad idea all around. Go West, Young Man. Big continent out there, no need to crowd.

OOC: Meh, didn't see him claim it but for Manium I'll take almost a square chunk of land from the coast south of Water Cooler to Prea's colony.

Im making a new, clearer map for Manium (with RomeW's approval, of course). If it gets accepted I'll send Rome the bitmap so that it wont keep degrading again.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=9148857#post9148857

Theres the link to me moving into Manium, o and I'm dropping the Cordensa claim.

Im making a new, clearer map for Manium (with RomeW's approval, of course). If it gets accepted I'll send Rome the bitmap so that it wont keep degrading again.

Thanks. Go right ahead. I ran into problems with the map because eventually I couldn't upload the PNG file and had to switch to JPEG. If anyone knows a (free) site that can host 500K+ PNG's, that'd be great.

Also, I want to create maps that are more detailed, showing things like available resources. The basic template is that the prime agricultural land would be around the lakes, the coasts and the river, the minerals would be in the moutain ranges and most of the other mined materials (such as oil and iron) would be in the interior (which would probably be more arid than the coasts (for obvious reasons), although I don't plan on making most of the continent desert or even unuseable). The reason why I ask is because I want to make the continent more "realistic" and paint a better picture of just what it is everyone's dealing with. It'd also provide some great RP scenarios- some areas would be rich in minerals, some in agriculture, others in oil, etc.- that we'd have to trade for and/or go to war over. Thoughts?

OOC: One immediately comes to mind... the size of this place allows for fantastic amounts of resources to exist... and those who are already pulling resources from areas shouldn't get penalized out of them suddenly.

OOC: One immediately comes to mind... the size of this place allows for fantastic amounts of resources to exist... and those who are already pulling resources from areas shouldn't get penalized out of them suddenly.

Of course not. In fact, if anyone has already pulled out resources, let me know so I can map it. I just want to create a reference point, and the map would only detail the largest quantities, that's all.

Of course not. In fact, if anyone has already pulled out resources, let me know so I can map it. I just want to create a reference point, and the map would only detail the largest quantities, that's all.

In the ultimate irony, let no oil or large ammonts of coal exist in the area that Lanquassia has claimed. Natural gas and other fossil fuels are acceptable :D

Note: Lanquassia is expansionist because of a horrible lack of fossil fuels (Less than half needed for coal, and no oil or oil based products in Lanquassia itself) rather than its Imperial Tradition.

OOC: .... and the Noviet colony becomes Vastivan territory.... :(

All claims, RP's- added. I've also added myself a section of land right beside The Island of Rose.

In the ultimate irony, let no oil or large ammonts of coal exist in the area that Lanquassia has claimed. Natural gas and other fossil fuels are acceptable :D

Note: Lanquassia is expansionist because of a horrible lack of fossil fuels (Less than half needed for coal, and no oil or oil based products in Lanquassia itself) rather than its Imperial Tradition.

So be it. Alioth shall be oil and coal-less.

In light of this, I'm considering setting up a template outlining *when* a colony can be "economically powerful" (although I intend on still making a map to denote the areas' "major" resource). It'd work out something like this:

2 days' worth- has enough for agriculture and other food-based needs. The bare necessities.

3 days' worth- has enough resources for moderate economic wealth. It'd be like the Czech Republic today.

4 days' worth- has enough resources for considerable economic wealth. It'd be like Germany today.

5 days' worth- has enough resources for extreme economic wealth. It'd be like the United States today.

6 days' worth and beyond- has enough resources that the state can be extremely wealthy but does not need any imports to sustain that wealth. It'd be the equivalent of NationStates' "Frightening" economic setting.

The rule comes with a kicker (something I've already made official)- the colony needs to be at least two (2) RL months old for it to be self-sufficient, because it takes time to develop the colony to sustainability.

Also, I want to propose a rule stating that all newcomers *must* RP their arrivals. I think it'd be a good idea because it'd stop the "claim and run" problems the Earths get, but at the same time I wonder if that'd be too much of a burden.

As I remember, the oil deposits were prominent in the upper left corner, but not the western coast...

The mountain range Vastiva is sitting on is radioactive-heavy, along with gem-class stones. The plains south of the mountains are our agricultural areas, mixed with jungle and - further south - forest. The jungle moves upwards into (former) Nova Hope. There isn't any oil in the Vastivan claim, but there are very rich coal deposits.

We'll also mention that the island south of the continent is called "Sheepfruit Island" and has prodigious amounts of both present.

All claims, RP's- added. I've also added myself a section of land right beside The Island of Rose.



So be it. Alioth shall be oil and coal-less.

In light of this, I'm considering setting up a template outlining *when* a colony can be "economically powerful" (although I intend on still making a map to denote the areas' "major" resource). It'd work out something like this:

2 days' worth- has enough for agriculture and other food-based needs. The bare necessities.

3 days' worth- has enough resources for moderate economic wealth. It'd be like the Czech Republic today.

4 days' worth- has enough resources for considerable economic wealth. It'd be like Germany today.

5 days' worth- has enough resources for extreme economic wealth. It'd be like the United States today.

6 days' worth and beyond- has enough resources that the state can be extremely wealthy but does not need any imports to sustain that wealth. It'd be the equivalent of NationStates' "Frightening" economic setting.

The rule comes with a kicker (something I've already made official)- the colony needs to be at least two (2) RL months old for it to be self-sufficient, because it takes time to develop the colony to sustainability.

Also, I want to propose a rule stating that all newcomers *must* RP their arrivals. I think it'd be a good idea because it'd stop the "claim and run" problems the Earths get, but at the same time I wonder if that'd be too much of a burden.

If I could - I'd say five days to agricultural stability - there have always been forageable supplies available, but if you're talking constant source, you're waiting for crops - and in most places, that means felling trees or planting along river basins (rivers are valuable because of these flood plains).

Moderate wealth in two weeks (fourteen days or so).

Considerable two weeks after that.

And so on, in two week intervals. This encourages play, as if you don't play, you don't get credit for the week. Sound better?

I'm also up for RP'ing your claims - I had to rp the treaties that got me more land, and have been rping with those players up til their demise. I remember Prae had to dicker with someone to get their claim. RP should be a good part of this.

(snip)
I'm also up for RP'ing your claims - I had to rp the treaties that got me more land, and have been rping with those players up til their demise. I remember Prae had to dicker with someone to get their claim. RP should be a good part of this.


Well, I've RPed what Lanquassia CONSIDERS to be part of the Colony of Alioth...

What other nations consider is another matter for treaties :D

Don't mean to be picky but about my claim its further south, its in line with the top of Prae's colony so Prae's colony would be my only border with another colony.

*Service Announcements*

Safehaven2: My bad. I've readjusted your claims and given you an extra day's worth for your troubles.

I've also claimed a new narrow strip land just along The Island Of Rose's border that officially joins my new colony with my old one.

Also, new claims MUST be posted here for them to be counted, if that wasn't made clear before.

If I could - I'd say five days to agricultural stability - there have always been forageable supplies available, but if you're talking constant source, you're waiting for crops - and in most places, that means felling trees or planting along river basins (rivers are valuable because of these flood plains).

Moderate wealth in two weeks (fourteen days or so).

Considerable two weeks after that.

And so on, in two week intervals. This encourages play, as if you don't play, you don't get credit for the week. Sound better?

I'm also up for RP'ing your claims - I had to rp the treaties that got me more land, and have been rping with those players up til their demise. I remember Prae had to dicker with someone to get their claim. RP should be a good part of this.

I see- and it makes sense, since some of the wealthiest countries in the world (the Netherlands, Monaco) are small and have absolutely next to nothing agriculturally, and some of the "poorer" countries (such as Egypt) have tons of agricultural land. So size would matter more in that regard than in simple resource wealth.

I'm also liking the timeline idea- the ones who are the most active should also be the strongest (although I'd be "for" a ceiling, so that nations don't become *too* strong).

What does everyone else think? I'm also collecting opinions with regards to a rule requiring new claims to be RP'ed.

I believe that claims should be RPed, and before they can be claimed they first must be explored.

Well, actual claims. The Charter of Alioth states exactly what the Colony of Alioth will have as its borders, but its a broad sweep of territory that nobody really expects to hold all of anytime soon.

I believe that claims should be RPed, and before they can be claimed they first must be explored.

Well, actual claims. The Charter of Alioth states exactly what the Colony of Alioth will have as its borders, but its a broad sweep of territory that nobody really expects to hold all of anytime soon.

Realistically you can't really make a claim without exploring the area first- no sense in establishing a colony where you can't use the land, although I see what you mean- you actually have to *build* the colony, and this should be noted.

Well, that's two *for* the RP rule, none against.

Realistically you can't really make a claim without exploring the area first- no sense in establishing a colony where you can't use the land, although I see what you mean- you actually have to *build* the colony, and this should be noted.

Well, that's two *for* the RP rule, none against.

Oh, I can make a claim. Backing said claim up is where politics and diplomacy come in ;)

Only the surronding area of the main city of Alioth is currently explored, as I'll explain in my post (Later tonight. I Swear.)

Agreed. Our LZ was where what became Port Kar is. We landed there because of good place to make a harbor. Exploration came off the helos and such that were transported in, but we had a base to work with.

If this is no longer open, forgive me.

I'd like to claim a strip of land on Manium along the northern coastline with the southernmost edge of the claim running parallel to the top of the lake between Tannenmille and 'northernland'.

Oh, I can make a claim. Backing said claim up is where politics and diplomacy come in

Only the surronding area of the main city of Alioth is currently explored, as I'll explain in my post (Later tonight. I Swear.)

I suppose- the 19th century European powers claimed large parts of Africa by simply drawing lines on a map and never actually set explored the continent first.

If this is no longer open, forgive me.

I'd like to claim a strip of land on Manium along the northern coastline with the southernmost edge of the claim running parallel to the top of the lake between Tannenmille and 'northernland'.

'Tis still VERY open. We've got tons of room. I have added your claim. Welcome to Manium.

'Tis still VERY open. We've got tons of room. I have added your claim. Welcome to Manium.

Many thanks.

For the record, Vastiva is not interested in further claims or expansions on the main continent (honestly, we didn't plan on expanding at all, but our treaties work the way they work... so we ended up "protectively absorbing" two nations colonies). So no one has to worry about Vastivan forces making advances into them.

For the record, Vastiva is not interested in further claims or expansions on the main continent (honestly, we didn't plan on expanding at all, but our treaties work the way they work... so we ended up "protectively absorbing" two nations colonies). So no one has to worry about Vastivan forces making advances into them.

Lanquassia is another story. Ahem. Ahem.

Oh, and RomeW? You might want to make the distinction between an actual claim and a political claim.

A political claim is the one set forth in the Alioth Colonial Charter, and has no bearing on reality. Similar to Byzantine Rome in Justinian and Belisarius's time claiming Western Europe. (..couldn't resist that one. Sorry.)

An actual claim is... reality.


So I could lay claim to all of Manium, but all I'd accomplish is annoying my neighbors, possibly angering them to the point of, "...thats it, I claim your colony and I'm taking it by force."

Lanquassia is another story. Ahem. Ahem.

Oh, and RomeW? You might want to make the distinction between an actual claim and a political claim.

A political claim is the one set forth in the Alioth Colonial Charter, and has no bearing on reality. Similar to Byzantine Rome in Justinian and Belisarius's time claiming Western Europe. (..couldn't resist that one. Sorry.)

An actual claim is... reality.


So I could lay claim to all of Manium, but all I'd accomplish is annoying my neighbors, possibly angering them to the point of, "...thats it, I claim your colony and I'm taking it by force."

Heehee. My Romans virtually all despise Justinian, for, despite his quite noble intentions, tried to force a "Byzantine" ideal upon them and we're still bitter about that :D .

All jokes aside, I'll make that distinction if only to be safe rather than sorry.

Many thanks.

You're welcome.

Here is the arrival of the Holy Empire of Evir Bruck Saulsbury.
Evir Bruck Saulsbury Arrival to Cordensa (Manium rp) (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=429148)

I am here.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=9167112#post9167112

My landing thread.

Threads added.

I think it's safe to say now- with so many people doing it- that I'll institute the RP-claim rule, and I'll also institute Vastiva's version of the "colony sustainability" rule, because that encourages activity.

Lanquassia is another story. Ahem. Ahem.

Oh, and RomeW? You might want to make the distinction between an actual claim and a political claim.

A political claim is the one set forth in the Alioth Colonial Charter, and has no bearing on reality. Similar to Byzantine Rome in Justinian and Belisarius's time claiming Western Europe. (..couldn't resist that one. Sorry.)

An actual claim is... reality.

So I could lay claim to all of Manium, but all I'd accomplish is annoying my neighbors, possibly angering them to the point of, "...thats it, I claim your colony and I'm taking it by force."

OOC: Well, no. Historically, the "We claim your colony and the rest of this continent!" action has been followed up with the "GREAT! You get to store all our chemical weapons... " act by other folks.

Or great amounts of laughter, depending on the size of the force.

Shush you, Vasty >.>;;

Anyhow, JSYK, I'm going to be away from the keyboard until Tuesday. Possibly late Tuesday, so will be unable to respond to any Manium thingymajjigers, but please allow for a slow expansion of the explored frontiner.

Shush you, Vasty >.>;;

Anyhow, JSYK, I'm going to be away from the keyboard until Tuesday. Possibly late Tuesday, so will be unable to respond to any Manium thingymajjigers, but please allow for a slow expansion of the explored frontiner.

Noted.

*Service Announcement*

I might also be going to be away from the boards for the next few days myself so if I don't update the maps in the next few days that's why. Just continue to post the expansions and RP those expansions and I'll update them when I return.

*Updated*

On a separate front, I want to ask about the continent and puppets, especially because I've used them on the continent before ("the Bactrians" and "BitingReality") in a bid to spice things up a bit during the continent's inactive period, but now that this is actually active I want to address this fully. Should this be a one-user, one-nation thing or should we allow one or two provided that they're RP'ed separately (and that I am aware of and approve of their presence)?

OOC: We prefer one person - one claim, no puppets. We also realize without mod intervention this is difficult at best.

OOC: We prefer one person - one claim, no puppets. We also realize without mod intervention this is difficult at best.

I was thinking that myself- I created the two nations because I wanted to "deviate" from what this nation would do, but I figured that if this is active then it's unfair to have more than one nation with each person here. I'm getting rid of them (my puppets).

Could I claim the strip of land between Generic Empire and Northernland (Rome)?

I dont really understand the economic rating thingies. Since the NS economic ratings represent GDP per Capita rather than actual economic strength, surely an arbitary timelimit isn't going to be particularly indicative of how economically strong a colony should be. That ought to be based on the economic ability of the home nation, modified by the different economic policies (if any) which affect the colony but not the home nation and also the presence of major resources. In short - surely this is an RP matter and not something which just happens over time. The US is less than 300 years old and yet has among the highest GDPs per capita in the world, whereas Russia has existed as a nation for many times longer and yet has a GDP per Capita comperable to many third world nations.

Anyway what do you think:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v387/Praetonia/Manium.png

Borman Empire: Given to you. You just need to RP your arrival.

I dont really understand the economic rating thingies. Since the NS economic ratings represent GDP per Capita rather than actual economic strength, surely an arbitary timelimit isn't going to be particularly indicative of how economically strong a colony should be. That ought to be based on the economic ability of the home nation, modified by the different economic policies (if any) which affect the colony but not the home nation and also the presence of major resources. In short - surely this is an RP matter and not something which just happens over time. The US is less than 300 years old and yet has among the highest GDPs per capita in the world, whereas Russia has existed as a nation for many times longer and yet has a GDP per Capita comperable to many third world nations.

The idea was to simply create a matrix of when the colony is viable, because let's face it, you can't have a viable colony in two days (because it takes time to build the necessary infrastructure and to get everyone settled in). It's also meant to encourage RP'ing- if you're active (because that's the kicker here) then your colony's economy improves. It's the same basic idea that you are saying yourself- you have to RP your colony's development for it to take effect.

The idea was Vastiva's, and I liked it so I implemented it. However, in light of your concern, I'm going to open it up:

Should the matrix be lowered or kept the same?

(I'm probably going to keep some semblance of it so that developments are "reasonable"- I mean, we on the general NS forums don't consider somebody strong until they've hit a month on NS at least)

PS- I love the map. I'm going to edit a few things (for one, Camewot's name can barely be seen against the dark blue background, and "Northernland" and my main colony are connected)

Service Announcements:

The official map has been reverted to Praetonia's version. I thank Praetonia for making it.

Please let me know if I have your claims wrong.

Well, there goes my peninsula :p

Second question, is there still a river from that inland sea (Upper left corner) to the ocean?

Well, there goes my peninsula :p

Second question, is there still a river from that inland sea (Upper left corner) to the ocean?

Yes there is- it's just painted smaller (by the way, there's nothing stopping you guys from having smaller rivers- on a continent of this size there HAS to be more more- I'm just pointing out the major ones).

I've also added a river north of you, because on the original map there was a marking above you and that lake needed a river, so I gave it one.

Alright. Ill RP it soon, but Im on vacation till the 9th so it may not be too soon.

Yes there is- it's just painted smaller (by the way, there's nothing stopping you guys from having smaller rivers- on a continent of this size there HAS to be more more- I'm just pointing out the major ones).

I've also added a river north of you, because on the original map there was a marking above you and that lake needed a river, so I gave it one.

Thanks Rome ^^

Uhm.... That one Nova Hope point at the far end of the central sea? That's ours too.

We'd also ask for a better color coding, so what is "available" and "water" is known.

Water is blue (a fairly common occurance on maps) and empty space is green.

Any other questions / comments / criticisms? Obviously I couldnt copy it exactly, so there may be some tweaking needed. Just ask.

Updated version here: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v387/Praetonia/Manium.png

And just an OOC notice - I officially claim the empty area between RomeW and the inland sea (ex BitingReality IIRC). I dont actually have a military or civilian presence there yet, however, and that will be RPed shortly.

my landing thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=9203151#post9203151)

Praetonia: I have officially adopted your map, and I've been using it since yesterday. I've added your claim, but it's smaller than you may have thought it to be, because I've adjusted the allowable claim limit to fit better on this map (it's a 17x17 square or equivalent now).

Borman Empire: Added and noted.

Pleased to be asking for the claim of two day's worth of expansion to the north, stopping at where the river north of my claim meets the coast, and moving east.

I say two days becuase I don't ask for much >.>;; And I don't plan on asking for more tomorow. ^^

Pleased to be asking for the claim of two day's worth of expansion to the north, stopping at where the river north of my claim meets the coast, and moving east.

I say two days becuase I don't ask for much >.>;; And I don't plan on asking for more tomorow. ^^
Well, this is what I've done: I've marked out the claim for today and I've outlined the claim for tommorow. This is simply to say that if no one else wants that land, you get it (you probably will because Tannenmille is too far to pose a threat).

EDIT- I have enacted a new rule. Please review it and comment:

15) Vacations and "Reserving" claims- I realize that we'll need a rule like this, given how expansions are carried out per day. Anyway, I would like to officially state that if you are going on vacation and you want to keep on expanding, you must first state the duration of the time-off, so that I know about it. You are then allowed to state that you'd like your colony to keep growing while you're gone. This will be acceptable under the following conditions:

1) On the official map, you will officially annex your regular one-day maximum claim.
2) Once that is set, you will get however many days you requested "reserved" for you on the map as an outlined territory in addition to the one-day claim. However, the outlined territory is not officially yours- others will be allowed to expand into it if they want to, with limitations. This limitation stipulates that you will get at the very least half of what you requested or five days' worth of land, whichever one is smaller, but what you keep will be at the whims of the other active RP'ers.

Sounds good.

And I dont quite understand expanding. Do we just naturally expand every day, or do we have to say I'm expanding today?

Sounds good.

And I dont quite understand expanding. Do we just naturally expand every day, or do we have to say I'm expanding today?

You do have to say "I'm expanding today" and where every day that you do expand. This does several things:

1) It encourages participation, because it's only fair that those who RP get the fruits of the labour.
2) I'm not always sure exactly where you (or anyone else) want to go, so, to avoid confusion, I ask that you tell me where so you get what you want.

EDIT- I have expanded my land along the moutain range near my colony (what I call "the Augustan Range).

So where do we RP?Here,There Everywhere?

Do we make new threads everytime or is there a new designated IC thread or is this it?

Love the map.
But i thought the Water could be a lot darker or a lot lighter...

So where do we RP?Here,There Everywhere?

Do we make new threads everytime or is there a new designated IC thread or is this it?

You make new threads now, and they have to be posted in this thread. There's simply too many people to have one IC thread.

RomeW-

My fault, didn't make it quite clear, but the new claims I'm doing with Alioth start from the mouth of that river - where it meets the coast, and then heading east. You have me going straight north, then expanding east.

Sorry for the confusion :(

Praetonia: I have officially adopted your map, and I've been using it since yesterday. I've added your claim, but it's smaller than you may have thought it to be, because I've adjusted the allowable claim limit to fit better on this map (it's a 17x17 square or equivalent now).
Well... I claim the whole lot in the sense that I'll declare war on you if you try to move into it (you refering to nations in general, not you refering to RomeW), but if you want to do the official claim thingy like that and expand it by however much per day then I'm fine with that. And I'm glad you like the map :). Do you want me to email you the bitmap? It's about 2MB though.

I'd like to extend my claim a few days to the north, Ill rp it the reasons tommorrow or saturday.

Well... I claim the whole lot in the sense that I'll declare war on you if you try to move into it (you refering to nations in general, not you refering to RomeW), but if you want to do the official claim thingy like that and expand it by however much per day then I'm fine with that. And I'm glad you like the map :). Do you want me to email you the bitmap? It's about 2MB though.
Yes you can 'claim' it but if you cant Logistically reach out and touch it then it may be 'yours' but you wont own it.

*All claims have been updated*

RomeW-

My fault, didn't make it quite clear, but the new claims I'm doing with Alioth start from the mouth of that river - where it meets the coast, and then heading east. You have me going straight north, then expanding east.

Sorry for the confusion

My bad. I've edited the claims.

Well... I claim the whole lot in the sense that I'll declare war on you if you try to move into it (you refering to nations in general, not you refering to RomeW), but if you want to do the official claim thingy like that and expand it by however much per day then I'm fine with that. And I'm glad you like the map :). Do you want me to email you the bitmap? It's about 2MB though.

Well, fortunately for you, I have no interests in the area. I just care about Northernland.

(Although I should say that as long as such an act is purely a RP gesture then I'm fine with it, though understand that I'm worried that future actions may turn into "bullying", which is something that I want to avoid)

As far as the map goes: don't worry about it. I've saved it to my computer from the Web Site you provided, and have been using it ever since. Thanks again for the map.

EDIT- Two new rules. Please weigh on them so that I can finalize them:

16) "Bullying"- This is strictly prohibited. To understand what this means, it basically involves the use of intimidation as a means to get more land than you'd be able to claim officially. Now, ICly this would be okay (because nations do this all the time), and as long as it remains simply RP then I have no problem with it. If it turns into an instrument where someone "claims" more than they'd be allowed to then it becomes a problem. So, I ask that if you *do* want to ICly bully to please be OOCly respectful of the other users who also want land.

A special note in regard of this- any land that's outside of your control is a logistical nightmare to go over, because the land has no infrastructure that could aid your movement, and will remain so until you actually officially control it.

17) Claim Disputes- I ask that in the event that this occurs you do the following:

1) Attempt to work out the dispute between you and the other affected parties. This could involve either an agreement to split the lands or to simply RP for them.
2) If you cannot resolve the claim between you and the other affected parties, you bring it to my attention (or another neutral party will be chosen in the event that I'm involved in the dispute), and I'll attempt to help resolve the issue.
3) Should my help not resolve the issue between all affected parties, then I will make a ruling on the issue. My ruling is final.

Above all else, please attempt as much as possible to keep the disputes to yourselves because I don't have time to moderate all the minor issues.

So would this be right...?

I'd like to expand south today along the northernland rome border.

So would this be right...?

I'd like to expand south today along the northernland rome border.

Yes! *thumbs up*

I'll update the map.

Please note that my entry thread, An Experiment in Economic Expansion, has been successfully drawn to a close, with the Colonial Period, by wit of diplomacy, good tact, lots of shinies, and me being a bit unrealistic and glossing over certain issues (And a REALLY REALLY good die roll), over already, with the transition to the Provencial Period of Alioth starting soon.

There will be a new thread going up shortly.

The next thread will be titled "The Kira City Christmas Celebrations", and I'm listing the Manium nations and colonies I'm specifically inviting, although a general invitation will be sent to all Manium nations and colonies:

Tannemille
The Water Cooler
Safehaven2
Neo-Praetonia
Camewot
Romanus Eropidus
New Roska
Vastiva (Especially you, Vastiva!)

Other people, don't feel left out - here's the reasoning.

1. Three of those are the three closes colonies to Alioth.
2. Three of those are the three largest colonies on Manium.
3. I like to think of Camewot as an ally, as we're already a trading partner.

Other nations are welcome to come, but as the Colonial Government of Alioth is holding this event, not the Republic of Lanquassia, it is being sent to the COLONIAL governments - and thus, any nation not on Manium is not invited (Although if you aim to come here and need an IC reason, feel free to 'crash' the party.)

I'd type it up now, but I've got some threads I need to update first.

*Edit* Tyop Denmos infest me at 3 am..

I'd like to expand into that little section of land next to Borman covered by the Bor in Borman, so my nation would look more like a square today.

Borman Empire: Claim updated.

Lanquassia: The colonial government of Romanus Eropidus would be delighted to come.

EDIT: I may be away for the next few days, so if the map isn't edited, that's why.

More then happy to show up. :D Though I might use the puppet "Sisu Arshu", as thats the colonialist herself...

Lanquassia, I'd love to come but I'm going to be leaving in a few days so unless its still going on when I come back I'm going to miss it.

Yes you can 'claim' it but if you cant Logistically reach out and touch it then it may be 'yours' but you wont own it.
It doesnt matter. Praetonia considers that land its own property. That means that if any other nation moves into it, then it would cause a serious diplomatic incident at least and a declaration of war at most. You must understand that there are two types of ownership:

1) Claimed ownership. This is only enforced by fear of the reaction of the nation whose territory you would move into. In this way, a nation could claim all the unclaimed land at once, or claim other peoples' colonies, or whatever - they would simply lack the physical ability to enforce said claims.

2) Physical ownership. This is enforced by the troops on the border.

I (because I havent RPed it yet) dont have any physical ownership of the land, but I do claim ownership as outlined by number 1. I am not "bullying" nations into taking lots of land. If you feel that the probable IC responce of Praetonia is not anything to be concerned about then please do move into the territory in question, but I see no reason for anyone to do that and I doubt that Praetonia's IC responce would be lenient.

It doesnt matter. Praetonia considers that land its own property. That means that if any other nation moves into it, then it would cause a serious diplomatic incident at least and a declaration of war at most. You must understand that there are two types of ownership:

1) Claimed ownership. This is only enforced by fear of the reaction of the nation whose territory you would move into. In this way, a nation could claim all the unclaimed land at once, or claim other peoples' colonies, or whatever - they would simply lack the physical ability to enforce said claims.

2) Physical ownership. This is enforced by the troops on the border.

I (because I havent RPed it yet) dont have any physical ownership of the land, but I do claim ownership as outlined by number 1. I am not "bullying" nations into taking lots of land. If you feel that the probable IC responce of Praetonia is not anything to be concerned about then please do move into the territory in question, but I see no reason for anyone to do that and I doubt that Praetonia's IC responce would be lenient.

We understand, Prae ;) I mentioned this on or about page 8, because I'm pretty much doing the same thing with Alioth: I've politically claimed land with that river towards the north (Which I'm calling the Weimar) as my northern border, the inland sea to the east as the eastern border, and an semi-defined southern border that runs from the current southern-most point, to the southern tip of that inland sea.

My actual claim is as shown, but ICly Lanquassia would be mightily angered by any intrusions...

By the by, RomeW, whats the rulings for marking the divisions of a claim on the map? My eventual full claim for Alioth would be way too big for one province, so I would have to divide it up into two, maybe three parts. Would it be allowable to show this on the map? >.>;

Over the next week I'd like to move my claim northward, basically doubling my area. It'll be my last claim for a while.

Please note that my entry thread, An Experiment in Economic Expansion, has been successfully drawn to a close, with the Colonial Period, by wit of diplomacy, good tact, lots of shinies, and me being a bit unrealistic and glossing over certain issues (And a REALLY REALLY good die roll), over already, with the transition to the Provencial Period of Alioth starting soon.

There will be a new thread going up shortly.

The next thread will be titled "The Kira City Christmas Celebrations", and I'm listing the Manium nations and colonies I'm specifically inviting, although a general invitation will be sent to all Manium nations and colonies:

Tannemille
The Water Cooler
Safehaven2
Neo-Praetonia
Camewot
Romanus Eropidus
New Roska
Vastiva (Especially you, Vastiva!)

Other people, don't feel left out - here's the reasoning.

1. Three of those are the three closes colonies to Alioth.
2. Three of those are the three largest colonies on Manium.
3. I like to think of Camewot as an ally, as we're already a trading partner.

Other nations are welcome to come, but as the Colonial Government of Alioth is holding this event, not the Republic of Lanquassia, it is being sent to the COLONIAL governments - and thus, any nation not on Manium is not invited (Although if you aim to come here and need an IC reason, feel free to 'crash' the party.)

I'd type it up now, but I've got some threads I need to update first.

*Edit* Tyop Denmos infest me at 3 am..

Invite me, though I am not quite as active as I use to be, I shall become active and take part. Might be a reason I could come back. :)

Just to let you all know, I'm still around I've just been in the UK for a while. I'll be back in August.

Lanquassia: I can draw the map to mark provincial boundaries if you wish- although I just assume that every colony has provinces anyway (mine does, but I don't draw them out on the map simply because there's too many of them. I did draw out "Manium" because that's a separate administrative unit of the colony, where the natives have a self-governing state).

Safehaven2: That land has been marked out for you.

Rome: Danke ^^ I'll be doing this as soon as I figure out the exact borders.

Nycton: A general invitation is going to be sent when the thread is ready, but only the nations specifically mentioned are going to be specifically invited, IE, written expressly for 'em as opposed to a generic invite.

FYI: The map doesn't show my most recent expansion.

Borman Empire: I did give you territory that day- I realize I put it in the wrong spot. Anyway, today I have given you more, so I think I have it how you want it. Let me know if it's still wrong.

*Service Announcement*

I am going to be away until Tuesday, so the map will be officially next updated then. You guys are allowed to continue to make claims and to edit the map yourself when I'm gone- I'll just touch it up when I return.

NO!! IT'S STILL WRONG!!! YOUR HORRIBLE!!! Joking, that's what I was looking for.

And I'd like to expand south today along the Roman border.

Je suis returne (I believe that's correct- anyway, I just spent the weekend in Montreal, so I figured I'd use whatever French I've learned).

Anyway, tonight is just map updates. Tommorow will be RP's and responses to TG's and such.

Id like to do that same kind of expansion I did before, to make it more square like. Cover the Emp in Borman Empire.

Id like to do that same kind of expansion I did before, to make it more square like. Cover the Emp in Borman Empire.

Got it (well, not all of it- you'll need to expand tommorow to do that).

OT (I allow that here):

I'm a history major at York University. One of my pet projects being in history is counterfactual history (that is, tweaking history around- hence my nation here). Anyway, I've spent several months on a counterfactual history project and, while it's not yet completely done, I'm happy I finally have something to post. You can see it here:

www.geocities.com/vicendum

Special note: it's NOT NS-based at all, so this is not another "NS Earth".

Anyway, I hope you guys like it. Don't worry about content since there's still a lot more work left to do, as it's on-going.

RomeW, first off, congrats for managing to do for projects what I'd like to do for fun ;)

Secondly, I'd also like to expand Alioth eastward all the way to that inner sea just east of me, with the river as my northern most border, and a line from the southernmost point along the border with Water Cooler to the southernmost point of the lake.

RomeW, first off, congrats for managing to do for projects what I'd like to do for fun ;)

Secondly, I'd also like to expand Alioth eastward all the way to that inner sea just east of me, with the river as my northern most border, and a line from the southernmost point along the border with Water Cooler to the southernmost point of the lake.

Thank you, though I should note the Vicendum Project is a personal one...I wish it was for school! :)

As for your expansion: you'll get it tonight.

*New Rule*

I have decided- to allow more time for RPing- that you don't have to be on vacation to "reserve" land. You can ask for up to a week's worth of land marked on the map, but the same rules apply for the vacationers- that land won't be "officially" yours until the time period is over and whatever isn't yours is still open to be claimed by others should they arrive there fast enough. You will be guaranteed at least half of the land, but what you keep will be at the whims of the other RP'ers.

Well if that's the case, then Id like to take you up on that offer. Its too much describing, and I love paint and maps, so I took the Manium map and edited to show the expansions Id like for a week. Here's the link:

http://usera.imagecave.com/obsterray/Manium.PNG

Well if that's the case, then Id like to take you up on that offer. Its too much describing, and I love paint and maps, so I took the Manium map and edited to show the expansions Id like for a week. Here's the link:

http://usera.imagecave.com/obsterray/Manium.PNG

Wow. I was initially thinking "that can't possibly within the limits", but by golly they are. Impressive. Will do.

Wow. I was initially thinking "that can't possibly within the limits", but by golly they are. Impressive. Will do.

Yeah they are, I sat there counting and shit. "14...15...16, ok that's like a 3 fourths, now another 16 little things. It was tedious and annoyiny, but oh well.

And thank you.

Yeah they are, I sat there counting and shit. "14...15...16, ok that's like a 3 fourths, now another 16 little things. It was tedious and annoyiny, but oh well.

And thank you.

You're welcome. It's actually a 17x17 square, and, yeah, it does get tedious adjusting the claims sometimes, but I have a lot of patience for that kind of thing, so I don't mind. Do you have a graphics program or just Paint?

You're welcome. It's actually a 17x17 square, and, yeah, it does get tedious adjusting the claims sometimes, but I have a lot of patience for that kind of thing, so I don't mind. Do you have a graphics program or just Paint?

Well I divided the claim into 4 of the biggest things in paint. And then those fit 16 little 4 sectioned things.

I have paint and Irfanview

Well I divided the claim into 4 of the biggest things in paint. And then those fit 16 little 4 sectioned things.

I have paint and Irfanview

Never tried Irfanview...is it any good? I know Paintshop Pro and I use something called "Ultimate Paint" (it's free). The latter one has a selection thing that can let you take the red box in the lower right corner and "copy" it where you want it- I find that useful when making the maps. Then I use the magic wand to fix it. Saves me a lot of work.

Never tried Irfanview...is it any good? I know Paintshop Pro and I use something called "Ultimate Paint" (it's free). The latter one has a selection thing that can let you take the red box in the lower right corner and "copy" it where you want it- I find that useful when making the maps. Then I use the magic wand to fix it. Saves me a lot of work.

Actually, I dont think I've used it for paint stuff. I used it to open things, resize them, sharpen, stuff like that. But I dont think Ive painted with it, its possible it doesnt even paint.

Actually, I dont think I've used it for paint stuff. I used it to open things, resize them, sharpen, stuff like that. But I dont think Ive painted with it, its possible it doesnt even paint.

It probably should- most image programs allow you to. It may or may not be better than Paint's abilities, however.

It probably should- most image programs allow you to. It may or may not be better than Paint's abilities, however.

Yeah, if I wasn't rushed for time I'd do it now. But I have to go to my cousin's in like 30 mins, Ill be there a couple days. (Part of the reason I took you up on that thing.

Yeah, if I wasn't rushed for time I'd do it now. But I have to go to my cousin's in like 30 mins, Ill be there a couple days. (Part of the reason I took you up on that thing.

No worries. You're not going to get tested on it (unless you want to).

No worries. You're not going to get tested on it (unless you want to).

Nah, thats ok.

Maps updated.

New thread:

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=9298551#post9298551 (Gold deposit found)

*bump*

Maps updated again. I realized I forgot to put in Lanquassia's claim, so that's been put in (let me know if I have it wrong).

Another map update.

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How was your cousin's?

How was your cousin's?

IT WAS HELL ON EARTH!!!

Joking. It ruled at life. We got battlefield 2 and played that like all the time. I got medals for not knowing how to fly my helicopter, and jumping out at like 300 meters and then parachuting over a bridge, throwing C4 onto it while in the air, and blowing it as I landed. And for flying well later on.

Also we went to this family get together and my GF was there and we hung out. So it was good. But Im glad to be back and checking out the map.

Your enjoy the past few days?

Maps updated again. I realized I forgot to put in Lanquassia's claim, so that's been put in (let me know if I have it wrong).

You've got the northern half ;) And thats the 'important one'.

I'll work on my next post, but the official Colony of Alioth's claims extend the entire eastern border all the way to the inner sea.

Can I expand into that empty gap between mine and your colonies' for the next week Rome? We can agree to split it between us if you want, but whatever.

Borman Empire: Splendid, thanks for asking. I've been getting up in the mornings now (which I haven't done in a while) and it feels great. Plus, finally uploading all that Vicendum (my alternate world) stuff also feels great. Nice to know you get medals...and I'm surprised they give them to you for not knowing how to fly!

Lanquassia: So you mean the area marked "Mare Maiestas" right? Well, you do have a lot of work to do :). It'll take you a lot longer than a week to get there (not to mention some deft negotiating and/or military skills to get past the people "in the way").

Praetonia: I've given you the maximum for the week (which isn't enough to get all of it). However, I would be interested in splitting the territory. Also, do you want to get that defence pact thread started?

(Maps will be updated tonight)

Yeah sure. Wait a min I'll make a thread.

Cool. Post it back here when you're finished.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=433986

Thread added.

Hiyas.

I'm not sure if I can participate in this RP project. I'm trying to look for some good RP's, but at the same time, the only Manium nations I've had any IC contact with (outside of Manium) is Vastiva and Praetonia.

Vastiva has been an ally for nearly my entire time here at NS, while my IC contact with Praetonia has been to buy stuff at the storefront (his and Sarzonia). No actual diplomacy, alliance, trade, etc.

In addition to that, my nation is kind of awkward when it comes to establishing colonies. You see, my nation tends to go with a continuous national border, as it is easier to defend and industrialize than "island-hopping" nations.



So... any ideas or suggestions if I should join this Manimum thing, and if so, where would be a good place for me to stake a claim or set up a colony or whatever? :)

OOC: Good to hear. I havnt woken up in the morning in...a long time. I dont think I can.

EDIT: And the medal was more for the parachute job I did.

Hi, this is the Evir Bruck Saulsbury from Cordensa. It came to my attention a few days(weeks) ago that on the map of Cordensa my name was mispelled (a Brunk instead of a Bruck). Just figured I should get around seeing if it could be corrected.

Also, I was curious about two things. First thing, if I started on Cordensa, can I also claim available land on Manium, it is kind of lonely in the wilds? Also, in the rules it states that I cannot claim lcaim spots, or encircle them. . . but figuring the slow pace of colonizing of Cordensa, if one's expansions cover a large area nearly encircling all local claim spots, and no one has shown up, are the claim spots (and weeks worth of expansion and no encircling) still sacrosant?

Just some questions.

I'm still waiting to hear suggestions whether I should join Manium, and if so, where would be a good spot for a 2+ billion nation?

We would like to settle near neo praetonia, it is a good way for our colonists to have a powerful nation to lean very gently on while staying away from the borman empire which we dont know if they are in alliance with any pro parthian nation.

We would like to settle near neo praetonia, it is a good way for our colonists to have a powerful nation to lean very gently on while staying away from the borman empire which we dont know if they are in alliance with any pro parthian nation.

OOC: WHAT!? Why dont you want to come near me? And am I wrong, or dont we have military bases in each other.

Forgive our leader, he has a short term memory when it came to alliances, but he has a general distain towards the parthians, if you are not allies with the parthians we apologize for our leader's paranoia.

Borman Empire: I see- that made more sense. Although, if they did give medals for simply trying to fly a helicopter, I like the "A for effort" message, as weird as that may sound.

Gyrobot: I've put you on the coast near Neo-Praetonia. Let me know if I have your position wrong.

Sharina: We'd love to have you here. I suggest you come. :)

Evir Bruck Saulsbury: Name fixed. My bad. :S

Point #1: You can come to Manium- just because you're on Cordensa does not mean you have to stay on that continent. Also, just for clarification, you can make two simultaneous claims on both continents- they just have to fall under the maximum for each continent, that's all.

Point #2: Well, considering that we haven't had any activity on Cordensa itself, the claim spots are still valid. If it does get to the point where there's clearly one person claiming everything because no one else wants the land then I'll consider changing the rule, but since no one's expanded then the rule still stands.

*Service Announcement*

I may be away until Saturday night, so if the map is not updated that is why.

Thank you! The clarifications were very helpful, and the second issue should not even come up for a couple months.

Thanks, RomeW.

I'd like to know where would be a good place for me to settle down. Manium? Cordensa? Or that 3rd island? Also, any suggestions where to settle in any of those lands, any nations I should settle next to, or if I should settle in an isolated region?

Also, how much initial land can I claim as a 2+ billion nation?

Sorry for all those questions, but this Manium thing will be a somewhat new experience for me, despite me being involved with the Earth Series. I don't want to end up settling on Manium, then having a player invade me right off the bat, wipe me out from Manium and start a nuclear war in NS Earth.

Forgive our leader, he has a short term memory when it came to alliances, but he has a general distain towards the parthians, if you are not allies with the parthians we apologize for our leader's paranoia.

Actually, we have a strong alliance with the Parthians. They are a very good nation and a very good ally.

Then settling near Neo Praetonia was right. Anyways thank you RomeW for you to let us have colonization rights near Neo Praetonia. May the Holy Warriors of Gyrobot bless you. To Borman, I generally dislike The Shah since he is a bully, he basically dogpiled VSI after a small terrorist incident and plundered to their hearts content. He also used WMDs in the conflict and I felt that this was excessive.

Another map (http://usera.imagecave.com/obsterray/Manium.PNG) with my claims. Those two next to me which are off brown or red, that's one, I put that color in so you knew.

And ok about you going away. Have fun.

Gyrobot: meh

(Found some time to update the maps, but I'll probably be away until Sunday night)

Sharina: Pick anywhere, especially on the eastern coast of Manium where there's a lot of land, so you should have ample time and room to found a colony (there is also a "bullying" rule that protect against your fear as well).

Also, in regards to your second question: the claiming limit is 289 pixels (about 323K sq. mi.) per RL day regardless of nation size. You can see the size of the limit in the lower right corner in the form of the red box cotained there. You are allowed, however, to "reserve" seven days' worth of land to allow for better RPing of the colonization (every new claim needs to be RP'ed), but "reserved land" will not become a part of your official colony right away- it will become yours gradually with the daily limit added to your colony until it's all filled. Any land that is not officially yours can be taken by others, even "reserved" land, but in the latter case you will be guaranteed at least half of what you want. Also, any land that is unclaimed is also undeveloped, meaning it will be a logistical nightmare for your army to cross should such a situation occur. Finally- and I can't stress this enough- please post your claims and RP's here, because I need to know where to put your colony on the map and so others can join in if they want.

Borman Empire: Updated. I admire your mapping skills :)

Evir Bruck Saulsbury: Noted. Glad we could clear that up.

Gyrobot: Thank you, though I should say that my nation's government does not co-ordinate the claims- I, as in the user, does. Minor point, that's all.

Thanks RomeW.

So basically I gotta figure out a good spot to colonize, then RP it out here or in a seperate thread but linky here?

I have one more question, though. Can I expand into those two other islands or continents?

Borman Empire: Updated. I admire your mapping skills :)

Thank you very much.

I just went to check the map and its all black again. Is it just me or do other people see a big black square?

too late to sign onto this?

nope

OOC:

I can't see the Manium map. It's all black. :(

Is Vastiva still around? Because I havent seen him post since he was deleted.

Gah, I'm sorry I haven't posted here. I promise I'll try to do a Manium related RP in the future.

Is Vastiva still around? Because I havent seen him post since he was deleted.

Why was he deleted?

Sharina:
So it's not just me...ITS A CONSPIRACY!!!

Would an old feller be able to come back...?? If so... welcome back the remants of Hammerite Sanctur....

Why was he deleted?
Flaiming players / mods. Cant say it was unexpected really.

I wish I had stayed with this so Hammerite would have been huge and wouldnt have been absorbed by Vastiva... but if somethings could be arranged to get old Sanctumer territories or some land realigned to the newfound Brutix Commonwealth (see RP *here* (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=435029) of what happened to Hammerite Sanctur, since Brutix is the remnants of HS) so any answers from RomeW appreciated :-)

Flaiming players / mods. Cant say it was unexpected really.

Oh, I didn't know.

Well seeing as that's how it is, I think Brutix should get his land back from Vastiva. But you'll have to wait for RomeW, he'll be away for a while.

Word... HS.. i mean Brutix is back!! haha... oh my...


Actually just thought of this... if Vastiva is no longer around, that would mean per our treaty ALL of Vastivas land would be mine, including that of what was Nova's since they were in my treaty as well. Boy that would be a lot of resources regained... yippe!

Well, if that's how it is, THEN YOU CANT JOIN!!!

But seriously, you'll have to wait for RomeW's decision.

I'm still waiting for the map to be fixed so I can figure out where to start my colony claim. :)

I know I have to wait for RomeW... I was just stating.

Oh goodness. I did that... :S I uploaded the map from my girlfriend's computer that time...well, I don't think it turned out so good that time.

Anyway, the map now works. Sorry about that.

*Concerning Vastiva*

Here's what I'm going to do: his case is still under review, and has been since July 26. Therefore, what I have decided is that if we don't have any activity from him by August 9 (that would be two weeks from July 26) then his claims shall be wiped out (it will also be 28 days since his last post on Manium). It'll be sad to see him go because of all the work he's done for Manium but the rules are rules. :(

Brutix: If it is true that your treaty allows you to annex all of Vastiva's land, then you'll need proof. Otherwise, the land will just be wiped from the map and you will need to RP for (and expand into) it, just like everyone else. In the meantime, you are more than welcome to claim some new land. Welcome back :) .

Sharina: In your case, you are allowed to expand wherever you want- Manium, Cordensa or Pescium, it doesn't matter. You are just limited in how much land on those continents you can take in a day.

Frozopia: Of course you're late! I expected you five minutes ago :D J/k. Anyway, this continent is still very open. Welcome to Manium. :)

The Island Of Rose: No worries. As long as you'll be active now you'll be all right :)

And now I'm back. Expect RPing soon...and even more RPing should, God forbid, Vastiva's lands open up...

OOC:

I'm headed to my grandma's beach house, which has no phone lines. That means I can't go on-line until I come back home this Friday afternoon. I'll be able to post my first claims on Manium by then.

I have one question, though. If I start up in Manium, could I establish a colony on Cordensa or Pescium (so I could interact with nations based in these two other lands)?

Thanks, and I'll see you guys on Friday.

Did we not expand when you were gone? Cause you were gone 6 days, and you+me+Praetonia only expanded two days worth.

Where is the mappen!

1st page, 1st post, bottom!!!

Can you move me North to cover up that large green expanse that nobody seems to want? K, thanks. And I'll possibly try to make a Manium RP tommorow.

*Service Announcement*

I have decided that should Vastiva's lands go, I will also excise the land of other inactive members. Can't just single out Vastiva for inactivity.

Borman Empire: Right. My bad. The past few days have been hectic so I missed a few days' worth. Everything is corrected now- thanks.

Sharina: Yes you can, though I should mention for the record just because you are on one continent it doesn't mean that you can't interact with the others.

Oh, and I should mention that I'm usually away weekends (including Friday) so I'm not sure if I can get to your claim then, but I will when I return. I promise. :)

The Island Of Rose: Noted. It'll probably take you a while to get it all, though.

Oh, and maps:

www.geocities.com/dadothegreat2003/maniummapofficial.png
www.geocities.com/dadothegreat2003/cordensa.png
www.geocities.com/dadothegreat2003/pescium.png

Anytime, thanks.

Map (http://usera.imagecave.com/obsterray/Manium.PNG)

Updated.

Nice, very nice.

Maps updated.

Just sayin' I'm still here

Maps are again updated.

Just popping in to say I'm still here although I haven't been active lately.

Here is a new map (http://usera.imagecave.com/obsterray/Manium.PNG) with my wanted claims. Im leaving in like one or two days for 5 or 6 days. So I wont be around.

Hmm... Mainland Manium is getting a little crowded. Thus, I guess I will stake a claim on the island south of Manium, possibly around the eastern coastline. If I cannot have that, then I probably will try to stake a claim on the other two continents.

I just do not want to end up fighting a war or whatever in my first few weeks (or first couple of months on Manium), for two reasons. First, I want to establish a good colony so I can engage in future RP's in Manium. Second, I cannot RP any wars right now as I have my hands full.

Borman Empire: Granted. You're creating quite the colony there. :)

Sharina: Also granted. Welcome to Manium. :)

*Service Announcement*

I may or may not be able to update the maps over the next day or two because I will be away.

Yes, yes I am, thank you for noticing. I plan on stationing soldiers in it to attack you...you...your enemies, yes, your enemies.

Just a point of information: I am in the processes of getting in touch with Vastiva via off-NS forums and AIM. Hopefully my attempts will bear fruit.

Thanks, RomeW!

A few new things have cropped up, as I'm going to be undertaking a major surgery this Friday. I'm going to have an implant put in to enable me to hear for the very first time (I'm deaf if you didn't know already).

So I will be pretty busy in RL getting stuff in order, doing last minute stuff, getting prepared for the surgery, etc. over the next week. My RP'ing will be somewhat limited, but I will be able to check in here and maybe do brief diplomacy stuff, just not deep and involving RP's for a bit though.

So, should I try to post a brief "colony arrival" RP to make my presence in Manium official, then stake an "expansion" square every day until I get my desired land? I could try to do that amid my crazy scheducle this upcoming week.

Borman Empire: A trade deal instead, perhaps? I like having friendly neighbours. :D

Hamptonshire: Get back to me (either here or via TG) as soon as you can about that. I'm planning a great big purge later this week to get rid of the "deadweight", which includes Vastiva's land.

Sharina: Do whatever you want. You will need an arrival RP but other than that, you're free to expand at your own pace. I just need to know where you'd like your colony to be so I can place it, that's all.

Oh goodness. I did that... :S I uploaded the map from my girlfriend's computer that time...well, I don't think it turned out so good that time.

Anyway, the map now works. Sorry about that.

*Concerning Vastiva*

Here's what I'm going to do: his case is still under review, and has been since July 26. Therefore, what I have decided is that if we don't have any activity from him by August 9 (that would be two weeks from July 26) then his claims shall be wiped out (it will also be 28 days since his last post on Manium). It'll be sad to see him go because of all the work he's done for Manium but the rules are rules. :(



Gee, when did I go inactive? Could it be when I went on vacation?

Sheisschrist people, cool your jets. RomeW - if you prefer I "prove" this is me via the colonial account in the Manium region, I'll do so by TG. I'm *not* inactive.

And Prae - it's under review by the Admin. So CAN IT. Particularly when you don't have all the facts. Next?

dang is all i have to say...

Ah, I see...thanks for clearing that up, though I will say that the vacation wasn't announced here.

Anyway just so you Vastiva, your "inactivity" was noted since the last time I saw anything from you- from either your main nation or its puppets- was well over a month ago. You came back- via a puppet- and that's all that mattered. I apologize if I came out harsh- you're one of Manium's most loyal players and I'm happy to have you back.

Having said that, I will still go ahead with that great purge at the end of the week (sans Vativa's land). We've got WAY too much deadweight here. Anyway, this is the preliminary hit list of people who if I don't hear from will lose their land:

Yarfor 2
The Water Cooler
Kiwipeso
Vistadin
Bonstock (Prae, do know anything about this? You two did interact)
Porto Calus
Executors
Falastur

dang is all i have to say...

Where was your old colony? I need to put you back on the map.

Here's my initial start-up RP in Manium.

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=9403975#post9403975

Is that a good start? Besides, am I allowed to stake a claim since my initial entry in Manium a couple days ago? If so, I'd like to make that "square" claim to the north and south of my initial spot (for 2 new squares in total). In addition, I'd like to make another square claim for today, which should be to the west of my initial square.

Besides, I'm glad Vastiva's still in the game. He is an excellent RP'er who befriended me way back when I was a small nation. :)

This may be a poor question, but which territory does Yarfor 2 control in Manium?

This may be a poor question, but which territory does Yarfor 2 control in Manium?

They are on Cordensa (I believe), yet I have seen no action from them.

Here's my initial start-up RP in Manium.

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=9403975#post9403975

Is that a good start? Besides, am I allowed to stake a claim since my initial entry in Manium a couple days ago? If so, I'd like to make that "square" claim to the north and south of my initial spot (for 2 new squares in total). In addition, I'd like to make another square claim for today, which should be to the west of my initial square.

Besides, I'm glad Vastiva's still in the game. He is an excellent RP'er who befriended me way back when I was a small nation. :)

*thumbs up* You have done well my friend.

*mandatory bump*

RomeW, I just have a simple question before I can post my next RP segment.

I noticed red outlines in the map. I know they're claims, but what are they exactly? I mean, why aren't they colored in or something? I just want to be sure so I don't mess up any new claims or expansion. :)

RomeW, I just have a simple question before I can post my next RP segment.

I noticed red outlines in the map. I know they're claims, but what are they exactly? I mean, why aren't they colored in or something? I just want to be sure so I don't mess up any new claims or expansion. :)

The outlined areas on the map are "reserved" areas- territories above and beyond the one-day expansion limit that the nation wants. These territories get officially added to the colony at a rate of one outlined area per day. You are allowed seven days' worth of "reserved" claims at one time, but the catch is that they won't become part of your official colony (meaning they're not annexed and integrated into the colony) until the seven day period is over.

Need anything else clarified feel free to ask.

The outlined areas on the map are "reserved" areas- territories above and beyond the one-day expansion limit that the nation wants. These territories get officially added to the colony at a rate of one outlined area per day. You are allowed seven days' worth of "reserved" claims at one time, but the catch is that they won't become part of your official colony (meaning they're not annexed and integrated into the colony) until the seven day period is over.

Need anything else clarified feel free to ask.

Okay, thanks RomeW. I appreciate the clarification, as I didn't want to mess up on anything. :p At any rate, I joined Manium two or three days ago "officially" with my posted claim. Does this mean I get 3 days worth of officially annexed terrain, or do I have to RP "spreading" into those areas?

Okay, thanks RomeW. I appreciate the clarification, as I didn't want to mess up on anything. :p At any rate, I joined Manium two or three days ago "officially" with my posted claim. Does this mean I get 3 days worth of officially annexed terrain, or do I have to RP "spreading" into those areas?

I'll answer it in two parts:

(1) Yes. You have three days' worth of terrain annexed for three days of service.

(2) You don't have to RP spreading into those territories- all that's needed is the initial thread where you embark on a new expansion (that is, the new official claim and whatever "reserved" land you want to claim). Ideally, I'd like it if every movement was RP'ed but I realize not everyone has the time to get into something like that (I for one have not had that time)- all I want is at the very least a simple thread at every time you want to start a new expansion.

I'll answer it in two parts:

(1) Yes. You have three days' worth of terrain annexed for three days of service.

(2) You don't have to RP spreading into those territories- all that's needed is the initial thread where you embark on a new expansion (that is, the new official claim and whatever "reserved" land you want to claim). Ideally, I'd like it if every movement was RP'ed but I realize not everyone has the time to get into something like that (I for one have not had that time)- all I want is at the very least a simple thread at every time you want to start a new expansion.

Thanks once again, RomeW.

I'll try to post my next RP segment that would leave the RP open-ended for expansion. What I mean by that, I'll RP my guys setting up shop in my new colony on the island, then leave it hanging open with something like "The colonists continue to expand and prosper". I think it is only reasonable, as I'm going to go under for a major surgery this Friday and I'll need several days of recovery time before I can RP again (depends, dunno how it'll go though).

Sounds good Sharina. I hope the surgery goes well for you...I'm a music fan and I'd hate the idea of not being able to hear, so I hope it goes well. :)

Sounds good Sharina. I hope the surgery goes well for you...I'm a music fan and I'd hate the idea of not being able to hear, so I hope it goes well. :)

Thanks. :)

By the way, I just added my 2nd segment to the RP, which basically covers construction and stuff.

Well, seeing how Layarteb has given t3h okieday...

I would like to participate in this. (This is the part where I say where I'm landing, right?) *looks over map* I think I'd like to land on the north-westmost corner.

(Is there any set geography for an area? I mean, I see rivers and mountains, but like desert, forest, etc.)

Lightning Starian Colonization Thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=9416755#post9416755)

The Lightning Star: The red are the mountains. Other than that, this is the rule regarding resources:

14) Resources- Some of you may be wondering what resources Manium can provide for your country. I realize that I have not yet made an extensive resource map for Manium, but I do intend to if I find time. However, this basic rule shall be established: colonies will NOT be considered self-sufficient unless they have been on Manium for two (2) RL months. This is because it takes time to set up a colony and to actually make it useable.

Addendum:

As suggested by Vastiva, this shall be the (extended) matrix for gauging how successful your colony is:

Agriculture: A colony must have five (5) days worth of expansion for it to be agriculturally self-sufficient, since farming takes up a lot of land.

Economic: The number in parenthesis represents the extent of time you've been active on Manium (RL time), with the corresponding economic level (as provided by NationStates the game) for that week. You pass into each economic level once you pass into that corresponding (RL) week in your Manium timeframe.

(1)Imploded
(2)Basket Case
(3)Fragile
(4)Weak
(5)Struggling
(6)Developing
(7)Reasonable
(8)Fair
(9-10)Good
(11-12)Very Good
(13-14)Strong
(15-16)Very Strong
(17-18)Thriving
(19-21)Powerhouse
(22-24)All-Consuming
(25+)Frightening

The idea is to encourage activity. The longer you stay active, the better your colony is- which makes sense, because the older the colony is, the more likely it will be developed. You're allowed to create whatever resources you want in that area as long as you follow that matrix. The continent is huge- 1.2 times the total area of the Earth's surface (including water)- so there will be plenty of resources to go around.

In the old thread we actually established that the NW corner had a lot of oil, but whether or not you want to keep it that way is up to you, TLS.

Oh, and I like your thread. Your involvement here should be interesting. Can I ask out of curiosity, what is your NS nation about?

Sharina: You're welcome. By the way, not to rag on you or anything but you don't need to update your thread here- all I care about is that there's actually a thread. :)

Gotcha, RomeW.

I was wondering if I could stake some more expansion claim to be "filled in" during the next few days because I'm not sure how active I will be, due to my surgery and recovery period. I may be able to post, or I might not, I don't know.

So, towards this end, I'd like to flesh out my coastlines more. I'd like to expand 3 more squares worth of coastline (for Thursday, Friday, and Saturday). Then if I can post on the weekend, I can put more RP or more expansion.

BTW, any deadline on those "deadweight" or inactive nations? Also I'm confused, I see one nation on my island, says "Cirtus-Vastiva (Harlesburg)". What does that mean?

Hamptonshire's expanding again:

Desired Claims (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v114/hamptonshire/claims.png)

Just in case you don't notice, the claim is just south of Falastur and east of Branwyn. The first day's claim is already shaded in and the second day's expansion is marked by the cross-shading.