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Heh, I just realized I think I border Sino. Crap =/

God's Earth under Dra-pol ain't green but brown with human faeces. Hey dumbass, Sino uses them with conventional warheads in her conventional forces for precise and effective strikes against enemy command centers and high value, time-crtical targets.

If I don't want to use bloody ICBMs its my own bloody prerogative!

And I don't care about Dra-pol; at least not in this instance. And don't you call me that! I won the science award.

*Displays $20.00 gift certificate*

And so what if you use conventional warheads on your IRBMs. Not like there's much consolidated infrastructure in LRR. And in order to threaten any major population centers one would have to cross one or both major mountain barriers, and deal with forests and adverse weather.

We depend on Sino for our oil, and of course, a lot from the middle east, but we don't really need to ship them.

You're northern China, si?

If so, we could, perhaps...run a pipeline 'cross the border...

*Having no conflict with anyone as of yet, Chuang-Han continues to liesurely buy oil from everyone*

@ Marimaia and Sangun: I need to get a little conversation going with Marimaia and Sangun on Southeast Asia. Chuang-Han's history relies entirely on French Indochina, so I would be obliged if you worked historical French Indochina (Or similar to French colonialism in the area) into your histories. Neither Sangun nor Marimaia has written their histories yet, so that shouldn't be hard for you two.

@ Marimaia: For reffrence, the Khmer (Cambodia's major ethnic race) thuroughly hate the Tai in every possible aspect. (Why did you think there were no Tai in Cambodia? They killed them all generations back)

All ships passing through the Straits of Malacca will be charged for doing so:

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=366323

If I don't want to use bloody ICBMs its my own bloody prerogative!

And I don't care about Dra-pol; at least not in this instance. And don't you call me that! I won the science award.

*Displays $20.00 gift certificate*

And so what if you use conventional warheads on your IRBMs. Not like there's much consolidated infrastructure in LRR. And in order to threaten any major population centers one would have to cross one or both major mountain barriers, and deal with forests and adverse weather.

I'm surprised no one mentioned this earlier, but a conventional warhead would be very very hard to make. No current explosive can survive re-entry.

On a different topic, I will probably RP with a somewhat larger population than 28 mill, simply because if I don't I won't be able to afford the technology I use in my RPs.

All ships passing through the Straits of Malacca will be charged for doing so:

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=366323

OOC: You're really cruisin' for a bruisin', mate.

I'm surprised no one mentioned this earlier, but a conventional warhead would be very very hard to make. No current explosive can survive re-entry.

ICBMs have re-entry. IRBMs don't.

*Having no conflict with anyone as of yet, Chuang-Han continues to liesurely buy oil from everyone*

@ Marimaia and Sangun: I need to get a little conversation going with Marimaia and Sangun on Southeast Asia. Chuang-Han's history relies entirely on French Indochina, so I would be obliged if you worked historical French Indochina (Or similar to French colonialism in the area) into your histories. Neither Sangun nor Marimaia has written their histories yet, so that shouldn't be hard for you two.

@ Marimaia: For reffrence, the Khmer (Cambodia's major ethnic race) thuroughly hate the Tai in every possible aspect. (Why did you think there were no Tai in Cambodia? They killed them all generations back)

Point 1 shouldn't be too difficult.

As for Point 2...I do realise that there is ethnic hatred in that region (in RL), but I like the way this is suddenly an issue here. In this group we have a new peninsula jutting out of Asia, China is split in four and Russia is a liberal well-integrated nation. I've always RP'ed Marimaia as a well-integrated nation where the inhabitants regard themselves as Marimaian first and all else second; forgive me for wanting a nation which is unified.

Why has this suddenly come up anyway? Do the Four Chinas just want a weaker southern neighbour, or are you just nitpicking?

Just nitpicking. If it makes you feel any better, everybody in Chuang-Han hates each other... And why shouldn't they, 37 out of China's 56 nationalities are in Yunnan, Hainan and Guangxi (my three provinces).

Just nitpicking. If it makes you feel any better, everybody in Chuang-Han hates each other... And why shouldn't they, 37 out of China's 56 nationalities are in Yunnan, Hainan and Guangxi (my three provinces).

Which is exactly why we're never invading you :)

We've got the ethnic minorities from eastern Myanmar to absorb, and that'll take a while.

Although if you want, we could take Yunnan off your hands for a bit...::sees Sino cocking a pistol::...on second thoughts, you keep it.

I need a way to link the philippines to vietnam in cultures so i can be comfortable with it

OOC: Just a clarification request for Bonstock, here... you still claim the Maropian Coast and Sakishimas in 'Modern World', yes? What are the respective populations of those specific territories?

I need a way to link the philippines to vietnam in cultures so i can be comfortable with it

My advice is to come up with some sort of shared history for the purposes of this RP group. My initial thoughts were:

1) Many years ago Vietnam had an empire which included the Philippines, so there's a lot of shared culture; or

2) There have been a lot of Vietnamese immigrants living in the Philippines for many years, and the cultures are becoming blurred (thus allowing you to create your own culture based on the two if you wanted); or even

3) The French took the Philippines during the colonial era of this Asia and transferred a large number of Vietnamese to the islands as slaves. After the French lost their empire, the Vietnamese blended into the Filipino population thus creating the Wulaishenese (or whatever word describes your people).

Which is exactly why we're never invading you :)

We've got the ethnic minorities from eastern Myanmar to absorb, and that'll take a while.

Although if you want, we could take Yunnan off your hands for a bit...::sees Sino cocking a pistol::...on second thoughts, you keep it.

Always good to have a nice buffer between Sino and anybody else that can't directly compete in terms of military might. For me, its Xiaguo, and the Lyong penninsula.

Speaking of the Lyong peninsula, Sypr especially, would you be interested in perhaps a trade/mutual defense/oil-giving pact?

Which is exactly why we're never invading you :)

We've got the ethnic minorities from eastern Myanmar to absorb, and that'll take a while.

Although if you want, we could take Yunnan off your hands for a bit...::sees Sino cocking a pistol::...on second thoughts, you keep it.

*Uncocks and holsters the QSZ-92 9mm. Unslinging, followed by thumb and forefinger, bringing closing the bolt on an M40A1 sniper rifle.*

(If you close the bolt with your palm, you've been watching too much TV!)

I do hope you're not regarding the NeoSuunist Prosperity Sphere as Bonstock mark II. Or Nazi Germany Asian-style.

If you want to see Nazi Germany Asian-style, try looking at Sino, through the eyes of General Albert Liu...

http://english.pladaily.com.cn/special/guards/content/image/23.jpg

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/row/tank1-50th.jpg

Marimaia's actions of antagonizing the Chinese will only result in the Dragon's wrath.

Dra-pol shall maintain that China knows not the dragon, knows not the intensity of modern human ambition as does Korea. The dragon shall be proven either Korean or beaten by the Koreans before China is ever involved. That is to say, should Sino ever invoke the dragon, it shall either glance-off the Drapoel, or more simply cut the Sionese more than any others.

Dra-pol shall maintain that China knows not the dragon, knows not the intensity of modern human ambition as does Korea. The dragon shall be proven either Korean or beaten by the Koreans before China is ever involved. That is to say, should Sino ever invoke the dragon, it shall either glance-off the Drapoel, or more simply cut the Sionese more than any others.

The Dragon is a mythical creature that embodies all the hopes, power and spirit of the Chinese race. Koreans are humans too, however through the many years of robotification by D'khaim, their have been withered into nothing but mindless drones that charge at machineguns in their millions.

At least the Chinese do not go about their daily business with a firm fist on the abdomen trying to supress hunger and daydreaming about feasting on the flesh of children.

Marimaia's actions of antagonizing the Chinese will only result in the Dragon's wrath.

Ah, Marimaia knows better than to further provoke an already angry giant. The Chinas go one way, Marimaia will go another way and we'll give respectful nods.

Oh...there was a time when I actually considered trying to thaw relations with Sino, but I don't know if it'll work in the new climate (if it will, give me a sign, a nice one preferably). Just a non-aggression pact between Marimaia and the Chinas, as we have a certain someone to the south of us who we want to concentrate on.

Ah, Marimaia knows better than to further provoke an already angry giant. The Chinas go one way, Marimaia will go another way and we'll give respectful nods.

Oh...there was a time when I actually considered trying to thaw relations with Sino, but I don't know if it'll work in the new climate (if it will, give me a sign, a nice one preferably). Just a non-aggression pact between Marimaia and the Chinas, as we have a certain someone to the south of us who we want to concentrate on.

OOC: Somebody's thinkin' 1939 Soviet-Nazi Non-Aggression Pact here...

OOC: Somebody's thinkin' 1939 Soviet-Nazi Non-Aggression Pact here...

Well it's not me; I'm after a permanent one. That way Sino can unify China, Marimaia can play around in SE Asia and neither side interferes with the other unless it's in a positive capacity. This would of course mean that Marimaia wouldn't be after Chuang-Han in any way, as that state would fall into Sino's sphere of influence. Of course any treaty would include a declaration about protecting the rights of any Chinese either living or working in Marimaia, but that sort of guarantee is part of Marimaian law anyway.

It'll give Marimaia one less giant to worry about, and Sino will have one less nation delving into Chinese business. It could even eventually lead to a proper agreement between the Four Chinas and the Shining Sphere, which would be of benefit to both parties in my opinion.

Speaking of the Lyong peninsula, Sypr especially, would you be interested in perhaps a trade/mutual defense/oil-giving pact?

YesyesYES! I do love oil, and mutual defence would definitely be beneficial, especially in keeping the northern Pacific secure... and, it would help in case Sino decides that Russians and Lyongians are living on land that rightfully belongs to the Chinese... plus, rail and pipeline connections would work out well, as we share a nice border, I think...

speaking of which, the Lyong peninsula ends up cutting off most of Primorye from the coast when I try to fit it on an RL map. I remember you said once that you didnt see LRR extending down to Vladivostok, but now that we dont have anyone squeezed in there, I was wondering if LRR was going to still contain Vladivostok and Primorye. If not, I could push the base of the peninsula south and west a bit, freeing up more room in the sea of Japan (and the Primorye coast above Nekrasovka and making Gochu (major southwestern Lyong harbour) into Vladivostok with a different historical background....

...ugh... imaginary landmasses are a lot easier when all the maps follow the same rules as bendy mirrors from a cheap carnival...

No, LRR's not claiming Primorye, so Vlad'vostock is all yours, and the surrounding areas.

So you figure, since Spyr is regarded as a friendly nation, we could run some pipelines down from the frozen north oozing a certain black liquid made from dead plants.

And since the Trans-Siberian railway already goes into Vladivostock in RL, I don't think it would be much fuss to simply extend the line over the border, so now there's a quick and easy trade route from European LRR, right across desolate Siberia, into the heart of the Lyong peninsula.

Can you say "education funding boost," because I can. Ah, I see it now! All children will be little Desmond Tutus and Dalai Lamas. What a beautiful world it will be!

Or at least higher average scores...

But yeah, I think its reasonable to say that if Sino decides to march on Lyong or Primorye, LRR would come to the rescue. And I need the big ships protection in the Sea Of Japan and up by that area. Granted, I've got pretty much amazing multirole boats (ex. Son House) and corvettes, but they are really only practical in reactive defense operations relatively close to shore.

And if Sino were to invade, I could always ship down my hordes of tanks along the trans-Siberian railway.

Also, I want to tell everybody about the fact that Southern European Russia (below the junction of the Volga and Don) is a semi-independent federation of nations. They're pretty much the same government type and social attitudes of main LRR, but they provide a cushion on the veunerable Black Sea region of LRR, since there's not really enough navy ships to properly protect it.

This is, of course, solved by giving the Volgostani federation a grand total of no less than 55 Son House missile boats and six Kilo submarines, along with 2,000 T-64s, 5,000 W-SEPs, and a miryad of other better-than-export-variant equipment from the government armories.

OOC: You're really cruisin' for a bruisin', mate.

ooc: Sino, are you prepared to back up what you say with force?

ic: Two Bonstocknian carrier battle groups depart the Sakishimas, and make a direct route to the south-east, towards the tip of Taiwan.

Meanwhile, sattelite photos reveal disturbing images in Maropian Coast and northern Malaysia:

http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/world/russia/images/rt-21m_4.jpg

Hey, this may be a bit of a tangent and less than pivotal to Asian RPing, but I couldn't help noticing the talk of Europe and this world's take on what might otherwise be known as the Commonwealth of Independent States. Having previously controlled the less than highly active nation of The Glakatahn (a collection of nomadic clans interested primarily in finding people with stuff, killing them, and taking their stuff) I'm now starting the establishment phase of a republic of their ancestors, and am yet unshure as to where it shall be, exactly. I've tended to think of it as remotely akin to Belarus or one of the Russian Federation's minor republics, so might be coloured interested in setting up on LRR's border somewhere, if he's interested and space exists. It would mean that, historically, the Glakatahn have probably been at least a nusiance if not down-right menace to any surrounding states, of course.

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=366550 That is a link to the thread in which Lavrageria's upheaval and civil war is being played-out, if anyone cares to look and potentially to get involved. I've been thinking of a final population around eight million, but could be convinced to alter that a little to suit any circumstances that may arise from this posting.

That's quite enough for now then.

Wow, Bonstock, you seem edgy. BTW, are you going to send a delegate to the Asian diplomatic conference?
WWJD
Amen.

ooc: Sino, are you prepared to back up what you say with force?

ic: Two Bonstocknian carrier battle groups depart the Sakishimas, and make a direct route to the south-east, towards the tip of Taiwan.

Meanwhile, sattelite photos reveal disturbing images in Maropian Coast and northern Malaysia:



Wolfpacks and assault groups stationed in PRC China and Japan quietly shadow Bonstockian ships. On sure, cruise missile batteries test fire new D9X missiles, while warships test fire a ship-based variant.

D9s have a hundred kg watergel first charge for penetration, followed by a fifty kg High Explosive charge for maximum damage.
MOre on the D9 later.

Strike fighters from nearby carrier groups keep a close watch on the Bonstockian ships, keeping their distance but also armed to the teeth.

Strategic missile and bomber units are immediately placed on alert, in case Bonstock decides to fire first. Special forces units are prepped for raids, and satellite intelligence, human intelligence (gathered via agents in Malaysia), and signal intelligence are all gathered and sorted. Mission plans are created, and war is prepared for.

Hey, this may be a bit of a tangent and less than pivotal to Asian RPing, but I couldn't help noticing the talk of Europe and this world's take on what might otherwise be known as the Commonwealth of Independent States. Having previously controlled the less than highly active nation of The Glakatahn (a collection of nomadic clans interested primarily in finding people with stuff, killing them, and taking their stuff) I'm now starting the establishment phase of a republic of their ancestors, and am yet unshure as to where it shall be, exactly. I've tended to think of it as remotely akin to Belarus or one of the Russian Federation's minor republics, so might be coloured interested in setting up on LRR's border somewhere, if he's interested and space exists. It would mean that, historically, the Glakatahn have probably been at least a nusiance if not down-right menace to any surrounding states, of course.

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=366550 That is a link to the thread in which Lavrageria's upheaval and civil war is being played-out, if anyone cares to look and potentially to get involved. I've been thinking of a final population around eight million, but could be convinced to alter that a little to suit any circumstances that may arise from this posting.

That's quite enough for now then.

Interesting. Perhaps I will take a look.

But yeah, on my border would be fine. Just keep in mind, Belarus: 10 million, LRR (Russia): 143,000,000.

Try anything funny, and I break your legs.

*Readies armored hordes*

Yeah, I'm a bit paranoid sometimes.

ooc: Sino, are you prepared to back up what you say with force?

ic: Two Bonstocknian carrier battle groups depart the Sakishimas, and make a direct route to the south-east, towards the tip of Taiwan.

Meanwhile, sattelite photos reveal disturbing images in Maropian Coast and northern Malaysia:

http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/world/russia/images/rt-21m_4.jpg

Perhaps a certain four-letter explitave starting with F will be used in LRR diplomatic messages to Bonstock for the first time, over these new developments, whereas previously the three-letter abbreviation "WTF!??!?!" was used.

Heaps of condemnation are piled upon Bonstock, burying him under mountains of shame. The pacific fleet is put on high alert, and Gepard (Django Reindhardt) corvettes coupled with aging Grishas (some with Howlin' Wolf upgrade) are seen actively patroling the areas around Sakhalin for submarines as Son Houses do the same, plus prepare to sick any surface battlegroup. Shore ASM launchers are readied, and airforce anti-shipping squadrons can be seen armed-up in the air.

SA-22 batteries prepare to down any ballistic missiles aimed at LRR, and the eastern defense district as a whole is told to get ready for trouble.

-Ottawa-

Hudecia seemed unphased by the threat of nuclear strike on the outside, but inwardly the government was running in circles trying to ensure that should a nuclear attack occur, Hudecia was ready to retaliate.

To the LRR, Hudecian diplomats used this as another weapon against Bonstock. The fact that Bonstock and Harald were trying to hold the world hostage was evidence that their imperialistic and aggresion would never subside.. rather, it would only grow with an insatiable appetite.

Hudecian military attaches called for an increased military involvement by LRR especially in the current battle over the Sakishimas. Now was the time to strike, Bonstock would not dare launch in the face of a united front.

The parliamentary assemblies need little convincing from Hudecian diplomats to become involved- it had always been a matter of time anyway, since if the Lyong peninsula was attacked it would bring LRR in to protect its friendly and socially acceptable neighbors, and Bonstock's human rights abuses in Mergui would not be allowed to stand.

But the government had not quite realized that major fighting had even started yet. As such, diplomats were still searching for a peaceful solution while continuing to shovel shame upon Bonstock.

But what the government doesn't know about at all is Dra-pol's involvement. Without a competent human intelligence service and few spy sattelites, it takes a while for LRR to become aware of secrety-things.

But eventually the parliamentary assemblies, as well as generals of the eastern military district, authorize the use of force to help the anti-Bonstock forces. The Volgostan republics are also expected to send a division or two.

ooc: Sino, are you prepared to back up what you say with force?

ic: Two Bonstocknian carrier battle groups depart the Sakishimas, and make a direct route to the south-east, towards the tip of Taiwan.

Meanwhile, sattelite photos reveal disturbing images in Maropian Coast and northern Malaysia:


OOC: Declaring war on me over some OOC comment, we have a nominee for the 'N00b of the Year' prize! Declaration of war over some OOC reasons will result in the bombardment of ignore howitzers.

IC: Should push come to shove, the same Bonstocknians that instigated the whole incident will be the same Bonstocknians regretting their taste of the dragon's rage.

The meagre installations of ballistic missiles are no match compared to the ones of China. The ARSCF has nothing to fear as it had been mobilized for eternity.

Coastal patrols had been stepped up, with J-10 and J-12s armed with missile engagement weaponry.

(OOC: Um, is the war still on given such a crappy pretext?)

Mobilisations of the ROCAF and ROCN have been ordered.

can i have taiwan ?

can i have taiwan ?

Sorry, it's already been taken by _Taiwan (the poster just above you).

C'mon is this little OOC stuff ACTUALLY threatening the world with nuclear war now? This seems pretty sad, especially when there are so many IC reason to hate eachother.
WWJD
Amen.

C'mon is this little OOC stuff ACTUALLY threatening the world with nuclear war now? This seems pretty sad, especially when there are so many IC reason to hate eachother.
WWJD
Amen.

Amen to that!

(OOC: Um, is the war still on given such a crappy pretext?)

OOC: I don't see it as being on, since OOC reasons are clearly not suitable nor appropriate for IC war. But Sino has been mobilized, at the ready.

OOC: WEll.. actually the war is about two things; Bonstock's piracy/taxation of ships trying to pass through the strait and Bonstock's war crimes in Myanmar.

I suppose that I really must clarify BG's position, then. I know there have been suggestions about it being Madagascar, but that doesn't realllly tie with RP history as we've intervened on Madagascar's behalf in the past. It might be possible to over-look or re-write that history, but then Madagascar doesn't actually support anything like the three hundred million population I've pretty well set to RPing. Maybe it could, it certainly has space enough, but I don't know that it'd actually be suitable for such population density, and if I increased Madagascar's population twenty fold, what's to say everyone else can't do the same to other places?

I think that I quite possibly shall leave my current region... it isn't any longer what it was set-up to be, anyway, as a lot of friends have left the game over the last year or more.

I could just draw up a new and more detailed map, difficult as it may be to make one worthy of the real world.

Another suggestion has been to site BG in India, which would easily allow the population, and would I think fill something of an RP void there. However, the vast majority of BG's population is Celtic or Anglo-Saxon, and I must admit to knowing relatively little about the culture of the sub-continent. I suppose I could have a history in which Celts continued to wander east... they did exist in the middle of Turkey... perhaps rather than being wiped-out or consumed by other populations they fled east, and later attracted Welsh migration during the days of British empire. I could modify the balance of my minorities to have local populations take-over from Jews and others as the largest minorities, perhaps.

Erm. Does anybody have any suggestions, criticisms, or opinions of any sort?

I claim Tahiti, the Marquesas, Vanuatu, Samoa, Fiji, and Tonga.

Everyone ok with that?

Erm. Does anybody have any suggestions, criticisms, or opinions of any sort?

OOC: Why not just leave us alone? Two commies in the continent is quite enough.

OOC: Sino, would it be even remotely possible that you might ever stop acting like such a prat, out of character? Your nation can be as absurd as you like, your characters can be the biggest bastards in history, but if you yourself feel the urge to say something stupid, wouldn't it be better to just say it to yourself and not bother anyone else by making a pointless post?

Marimaia, excellent thinking, I think that #3 in your list of suggestions is most appropriate for me (I dont want anyone to think that i resent the Filipino people---I dont)So that is the choice I'm kickin it with.......(stares at his legless body, he he he)
(I mean no offense towards any physically limited person, by the way)

I claim Tahiti, the Marquesas, Vanuatu, Samoa, Fiji, and Tonga.

Everyone ok with that?

What is the RL population of those areas?

Beth Gellert, you wanted someone with unlimited access to the Indian Ocean, but be Anglo-Saxon, why don't you claim some of the nations in Southern Africa, that would give you the 300 million population you have without having to change the scio-political dynamic of the sub-continent, It would be pretty easy to come up with a history that said that South Africa invaded and conquered its sorrounding areas, but soon after saw the error of Appartaiehd and the white and black populations, with a large Oriental and East Indian minorty, came together to build a nation that is the pride of Africa, and has major trade interests all the way though the Indian Ocean.
It is just that I don't want to have to lower the population of India by 700 million people, and it would completely unbalance the game to have a nation of that size and population as completely industrialises and finacially secure.
Another option is that you could have a quasi-South African like nation that occupies the southern portion of India, and split that nation, much like China has been split for the Modern World. This would be very easy to understand, during the British occupation of India, there were huge amounts of settlers that came and integrated themselves into the area, and now it is a seperate nation called Beth Gellert.
Whichever.
WWJD
Amen.

Oh, I wasn't thinking of having the whole of the subcontinent. Originally I was thinking maybe around Bangladesh and the surrounding parts of India, but it does actually make more sense in terms of BG's RP history to go for something with a near-by island to represent Victoria and Salvador, so the south and Sri Lanka rather makes sense. The Jaffna area could represent Salvador, I suppose, and mainland Sri Lanka Victoria.
I'll have to look into the populations of Indian states or whatever so I can make a reasonable territorial claim.

Oh, I wasn't thinking of having the whole of the subcontinent. Originally I was thinking maybe around Bangladesh and the surrounding parts of India, but it does actually make more sense in terms of BG's RP history to go for something with a near-by island to represent Victoria and Salvador, so the south and Sri Lanka rather makes sense. The Jaffna area could represent Salvador, I suppose, and mainland Sri Lanka Victoria.
I'll have to look into the populations of Indian states or whatever so I can make a reasonable territorial claim.

I just did a quick look for you at populations:

Sri Lanka approx. 20million

Nearby Indian states:

Tamil Nadu approx. 62million
Kerala approx. 29million
Andhra Pradesh approx. 75million

So just having Sri Lanka and the two Indian states which occupy the 'tip' of the subcontinent (TN and K) gives you approximately 111 million.

Well, I've slapped something together that may just be the future of the Igovian Soviet Commonwealth.

Using approximate populations gathered from one source I encountered, I can collect adjoining states -many of which were formerly under the British East India Company- to arrive at a population more or less bang on the 300million figure I earlier spoke of:
Sri Lanka: 20million
Kerala: 32million
Tamilnadu: 62million
Lakshdweep: 0.06million
Andhra Pradesh: 75million
Orissa: 37million
Karnataka: 53million
Chhatisgarh 21million
-roughly 300million

I have yet to re-work the ethnic make-up of The Commonwealth, but I imagine there'll be trouble :)
Note that little Pondicherry remains independent, or I'd have gone about ten million over target. I wanted West Bengal, but that is of course absolutely crammed with people, and would have sent me waaaay over, so we'll just sit and prod them from time to time.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v148/Chivtv/NS1/ind-map-3.jpg

Quinntonia - USA, 300 million
Quinntonian Dra-pol - Hamhung- 6 million
Hudecia - Canada-30 million
Spyr - Lyong Pen-60 million
LRR-Russia - 143 million(CIA Factbbok)
Marimaia - Thailand, Laos, Cambodia, Eastern Myanmar- 95 million
Union of Burma-rest of Myanmar, under Marimaian 'protection'-42 million
Dra-pol-N. Korea - 34 million
North Yaman - 15 million
Sangun-Vietnam - 82 million
Beth Gellert - 300 million-Southern India
Xiaguo - 700 million (Northern China, Mongolia, Xinjiang)
Sino - 600 million (Southern China)
Chuang-Han - 98 million
Taiwan - 28 million
S. Korea-Hudecia and LRR.
Bonstock-Indonesia, Singapore, and Malaysia -250 million
O & I- Japan- 127 million
Wulaishen-Phillipines-86 million

So, this is the new codified list, with Beth Gellert's new claim at last settled.
WWJD
Amen.

Map of south pacific
http://www.unescap.org/huset/pacific/map.html

East Islandian claims
Fiji, Tonga, Cook Islands, American Samoa, Vanuatu, New Caledonia, Samoa, Solomon Islands, Tahiti (French Polynesia), Micronesia, Marshall Islands

Population
Marshall Islands.....57,738
Tahiti.................266,339
Vanuatu.............202,609
Samoa...............177,714
Fiji.....................880,874
Tonga................110,237
American Samoa....57,902
Solomon Islands...523,617
Micronesia...........108,155
New Caledonia......213,679
Cook Islands...........21,200

Pitiful. So much for Islandian glory...my population is barely two or three million...i wonder what this means for my military.

Ugh.

O btw, where sthe Lyong peninsula? is it real?

Islandia- it means your military can probably go about as entirely special forces-grade.

Must...crush...BONSTOCK!!!!!!!!!!!!

Stupid aryans. Should have stayed in Sweden with those stupid Gripens.

No, it's (the Lyong) sort of jutting out into the Sea of Japan from Siberia-ish, and staying, I think, because Spyr and North Yaman have quite a history built up on it. BG's given up a fictional land-mass for part of India, but I think the Lyong was better... developed and stuff.

Presumably you're going to want to be bigger in population than is... Singapore, eh? I mean, not that one can't have fun with a smaller nation; if I weren't North Korea I'd probably have a population like that and focus on spreading chaos to every member of the populace a la Pol Pot, but I expect that's not EI's style, exactly.

Well, I can't tell you how to play the game, exactly. Erm. On the one hand, if we've made an exception for Lyong, it seems we should for others, but then, we don't want to disadvantage players who can't sit down and custom-tool their land, because it's... Nepal, or Korea, or something, and realism is... cool?

[twiddles thumbs and hopes for someone else to say something productive]

Perhaps as we made one exception on landmass for Lyong we could make one exception on population for EI? All the listed south Pacific lands have a land area of some tens of thousands of square kilometres, and with population density akin to Singapore, Hong Kong, and so on, could in theory keep a few million more people out of the water. Of course they'd suffer over-crowding and sink massive capital into importing enough food to stay alive, but... I'm going to stop typing, now.

Good ideas Dra-pol....but ppl living on water? hmm

we'll see...but this is still pretty funny.

two million population...guess i have to stop picking on everyone else eh?

The Xiannese Princess seeks a Prince. *Pics included
http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=7315774&posted=1#post7315774

You could always be Australia instead EI.


I've made a map of this RP group... Rather then make a Political Map, I just put borders on a physical map.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v39/YourNickname/ModernWorld.png

Map Key: (NPC means Non Player Country. A * is followed by notes for countries)
1. Xiaguo
2. Sino
3. _Taiwan
4. Chuang-Han China
5. Marimaia *Two borders, pre-Myanmar War border, and post-war border.
6. Sangun
7. Bonstock
8. Oshu Ozama
9. Dra-pol
10. Spyr *And/or any other Lyong penensula nations
11. Quintoppian Dra-pol
12. Lunatic Rebel Robots
13. Mongolia (NPC)
14. Kazahkstan (NPC)
15. Myanmar/Burma (NPC, Occupied by Marimaia)
16. Bangladesh (NPC)
17. India (NPC)
18. Pakistan (NPC)
19. Iran/Persia (NPC)
20. Wulashia
21. Papua New Guinea (NPC)
22. Australia (NPC)
23. Afghanistan (NPC)
24. Sri Lanka (NPC)
25. Hudecia/Canada *On North America
26. Quintopia/USA *On North America
27. Kanendru
28. New Zealand (NPC)
29. East Islandia

What do you think? Did I forget anyone? Did I mispell a nation's name?
It's very easy for me to edit borders on this, so if someone new comes in and says "I want this region in India, Bangladesh, and Bhutan" I can EASILY change the map. The borders of the NPC nations are there strictly for astetics, they are not binding!

Oh, also, I'd like to thank (So I don't get sued for copywrite enfringement) Microsoft Corporation for the use of their Encarta Encylopedia's Atlas in the making of this map ;D

Well, a few posts back you'll see Beth Gellert in India.
Other than that, I suppose the Korean border isn't perfectly right, but gives the basic idea, except that South Korea isn't Quinntonian Dra-pol, but, well, the ROK under partial control of players with other nations, notably LRR at the moment. Q-DP is just a tiny enclave on the east coast of North Korea.

Still, it's interesting to finally see the Lyong on an RP map of Asia.

Hm. I wonder if EI will venture to claim PNG, too, for a lot more land, a few more people ...and a land border with Bonstock.

AARGH! Not QUINTOPPIA, QUINNTONIA!!!!
As in Quinntonian Dra-pol. A citizen would be known as Quinntonian Dra-poel.


Yeah, I am only little, and not ROK at all, though I do control the second largest political party there.
WWJD
Amen.

Could I venture to say that most of eastern europe + kazakstan are my sattelite states, contributing, if only in smallish numbers, troops to the my campaigns, which shall now be known as:

"The commonwealth of Greater Hendrixia"

Would this be ok? I figure that, since I'm bigger than all of them, I could pretty well enforce my will and inject my government ideas into their governments. I would probably bring the population of the areas under loose LRR federation to around 220-250 million people. These states would also provide a handy barrier against invasion and willing trade partners.

Perhaps these areas were given semi-autonomy before the soviet union collapsed, and have remained teathered to LRR in terms of government and trade ever since.

I guess i'll add austrailia to my claims then.

Thanx for the suggestion.

For anyone that is interested...Lyong peninsula includes Spyr, North Yaman and the european christian Kingdom of Tord. Thanks very much for including it on the map too!

You could always be Australia instead EI.


OOC: Not that hell hole, mate.

OOC: Sino, would it be even remotely possible that you might ever stop acting like such a prat, out of character? Your nation can be as absurd as you like, your characters can be the biggest bastards in history, but if you yourself feel the urge to say something stupid, wouldn't it be better to just say it to yourself and not bother anyone else by making a pointless post?

OOC: The tradationalism and Hinduism in India is unlikely to make it communist. So your claims to the subcontinent are FUBAR. Due to their poverty, the Indians may go socialist, but no further. Why don't ya stick to manufacuring anti-tank weapons name after Malagasy wildlife?

OOC: Who's NPC? *Looks at the direction of NZ with worry.*

OOC: Not that hell hole, mate.

why not?

What do you think? Did I forget anyone? Did I mispell a nation's name?


Very nice work!

One correction though:

8. Oshu Ozama is in fact The Ringist Shogunate of Oshima and Izu, frequently abreviated to O&I and also known simply as Ringoku

OOC: The tradationalism and Hinduism in India is unlikely to make it communist. So your claims to the subcontinent are FUBAR. Due to their poverty, the Indians may go socialist, but no further. Why don't ya stick to manufacuring anti-tank weapons name after Malagasy wildlife?

Yeah...and there is, in fact, one China. And no imaginary peninsula north of Korea. And Russia doesn't have equal populations from every racial grouping(I believe LRR mentioned that once). And there aren't christian invaders in Korea...Japan was never occupied by the Chinese in any fashion...there is no Bonstockian nation that is a bunch of causians living in the orient...

Our RL rp is different Sino...we use stats of local areas and RL weaponry...why couldn't India turn Communist? Do you even know anything about Hindu beliefs? Perhaps they don't follow Hinduism anymore, or they are controlled by a Communist party.

Basically, Sino, don't be an ass. I see no reason why Beth Gellert can't be India and I'm sure everyone will agree.

Now...on to more important things. This is a question for the Ringist Shogunate of Oshima and Izu...what is your government like? We are quite close neighbours...Lyong is basically beside Japan. I'm just curious on relations between the Lyong Treaty nations and Japan...

Could I venture to say that most of eastern europe + kazakstan are my sattelite states, contributing, if only in smallish numbers, troops to the my campaigns, which shall now be known as:

"The commonwealth of Greater Hendrixia"

Would this be ok? I figure that, since I'm bigger than all of them, I could pretty well enforce my will and inject my government ideas into their governments. I would probably bring the population of the areas under loose LRR federation to around 220-250 million people. These states would also provide a handy barrier against invasion and willing trade partners.

Perhaps these areas were given semi-autonomy before the soviet union collapsed, and have remained teathered to LRR in terms of government and trade ever since.


Does anyone object?

LRR: I have no real objection...

Now...on to more important things. This is a question for the Ringist Shogunate of Oshima and Izu...what is your government like? We are quite close neighbours...Lyong is basically beside Japan. I'm just curious on relations between the Lyong Treaty nations and Japan...

I'm presuming you are most concerned with our foreign policy stance, so I shall deal with that first. At this stage O&I is pretty much a neutral force in Asia, though it is concerned by the latent instability it perceives in certain of its neighbours (and in their foreign policies). As to the Lyong peninsula, the government is not adverse to cultivating good relations on account of the geographical proximity.

Right, on to the government proper. I'm not sure how much of this you were looking for, but I suppose it could help clarify things for other people...

O&I Japan is ruled by a political system known as the Rinfu; literally, 'Ring Government'. The usual English translation of 'Ringist Shogunate' is more instructive, suggesting as it does a simularity to the pre 19th century Tokugawa regime.

Essentially the Rinfu is somewhere between a neo-feudal monarchy and a military dictatorship; power is held by the taishogun (generalissimo), who unlike earlier shoguns stands as both head of state and government.

One things must be made abundantly clear: the ruling class of the Rinfu, known as the Teike (which taken literally means 'chaste family') do not consider themselves to be the same as most Japanese (who they arcahically refer to as the 'Yamato People'). Instead, they describe themselves either as the Izu People, or as the Ringish. This accounts for the deposition of the Imperial Yamato Dynasty, who the Teike regarded as their enemies (mainly because the Imperial government banned their religion, shugendo, after the Meiji restoration).

Another thing which will crop up over and over again is the 'ideology' of Ringism (adjective Ringist, no to be confused with Ringish- Ringish people are also Ringists but not every Ringist is Ringish ;)); this is actually more of a philosophy than a purely political theory appears very bizarre to outsiders, so i won't try and explain it here unless anyone specifically wants me to attempt to!

Yeah, imagine if India had like, oh, I dunno, good relations with the USSR or something! Man, that'd be wacky, eh? Oh, wait... damn reality backing up the anti-Sino case, again! It always does that, eh? What a bitch!
If you're going to be like that, Sino, I still really struggle to imagine a jackbooted China like yours not being awash with millions of angry students and other decent, intelligent human beings in constant protest, so I think it'd be better if you just stopped trying to tell others how to run their countries, out-of-character.

I don't really see why I should have a problem with what LRR proposes, though I think there's bound to be some nationalist movements in some of the satellites, even if only created by self-interested individuals.

I'm sure there was a third thing I wanted to say, but it escapes me.

LRR: No objections

Oshima and Izu: I think our two regions will get along well. Lyong is under a military alliance known as the Lyong Treaty, with The PR of Spyr, the kingdom of Tord and NY. I'm sure Spyr and Tord will be interested furthering relations, as neighbours. With the cold war in the Sea of Japan between Drapol and Quinntonia/pro-ROK forces, nearby regions have to keep alert together. Perhaps it would be good to have talks between our nations in the Asian Cooperation thread I set up.

Another question, if you don't mind...is shugendo a traditional animist religion?

[OOC: Ok, here's my attempt to graft my Lyong Peninsula map onto RL geography... I'm not certain about the proportions, but hopefully they're close. As for Tord... if he doesnt post intent to participate here, then assume he's just another part of Spyr, to avoid an inactive floating around somewhere.]

http://img8.exs.cx/img8/7545/amodernlyong.jpg

LRR: No objections

Oshima and Izu: I think our two regions will get along well. Lyong is under a military alliance known as the Lyong Treaty, with The PR of Spyr, the kingdom of Tord and NY. I'm sure Spyr and Tord will be interested furthering relations, as neighbours. With the cold war in the Sea of Japan between Drapol and Quinntonia/pro-ROK forces, nearby regions have to keep alert together. Perhaps it would be good to have talks between our nations in the Asian Cooperation thread I set up.

Excellent! The Rinfu would be happy to forge closer ties with the Lyong Treaty Bloc...


Another question, if you don't mind...is shugendo a traditional animist religion?

Shugendo is a hybrid of Japanese Shamanism with elements of Buddhist, Confucianist and Taoist thought. Its practioners, the yamabushi, strive to develop beneficial spiritual-magical powers through asceticism (in case this freaks anyone out, Shugendo is a RL religion whose influence can still be felt today in various Buddhist sects).

Its semi-legendary founder, En no Goya, AKA En no Ozunu (literally En the Ascetic) is credited with possessing various mystical powers, including his reputed escape from the Izu peninsula to nearby mount Fuji by flight- quite literally.

The mystical aspects of Shugendo are an essential component of modern Ringism and En no Ozunu is especially revered by leading elements of the Teike.

Sino, I think your remarks are completely erroneous.
As for LRR, I have no real problem, I just hope that this doesn't lead to a whole bunch of the bigger states grabbing land and imposing their will on smaller NPC nations.
Hmmm. I still think that with a little know-how, and a lot of missionaries, Mexico could become a great state! LOL!
I have no problem with that at all.
WWJD
Amen.

Hm. Satellites and NPC nations. Would it make more sense to have India disunited, with some states independent republics, others old monarchies, and perhaps even some theocracies? I mean, rather than having seven hundred million none-player-controlled people united as one undeniable force that must be more or less ignored? Yeah, okay, I've convinced myself, heh, never mind. Lots of independent states, some keen on pleasing BG, some probably convinced that we're their faith's devil figure and dedicated to giving our border guard a hard time.

One final vagary before I go back to bed; a friend, well, BG's old enemy, actually, Andaman and Nicobar, hasn't really been active enough to make use of a three billion population, and it appears that they may wish to represent... well, the Andaman and Nicobar islands. The RL islands are part of my/India's territory, anyway, and peopled by about 350,000 individuals, and if "ISAN" does take-over, they'll be shameless capitalists interested only in self-perpetuation and in turning a profit.

(Oh, of course this is Beth Gellert. I am unable to get on the forum with my first account, and I'm not sure why. I'm hopeful that the problem will magically fix itself.)

You know...forget my sattelite states. They're too hard to RP with. It was really all a ploy to bring my population closer to that of the old USSR, and its military numbers.

Mabye bump my population closer to 160 million? Pretty please?

Yeah...I have this fear of my navy being too small. I suppose its not very well founded, though. But the prospect of having 74 destroyers was tasty indeed.

My military can probably be reasonably bigger than the russian military, considering my economy is a lot better than that of present-day Russia.

I suppose I'll say that I border a peaceful and docile Europe, so I don't have to worry about that border too much, but the bulk of the army's still there to...fight...nazis?

Well, in case nazis take root in Europe again, I can send the Western Defense District to crush them.

So...yeah...also, I'm interested in becoming part of or having close relations with the Lyong treaty nations. Would you guys have me in there? I could pretty well cover you in terms of coastal defense from the Pacific fleet bases.

I figure my navy operates some 120 Son Houses; 30 in the Baltic, 30 in the Barents, and mabye 60 in the Sea Of Okhotsk, Bering Sea, and Sea Of Japan. Added to this are about 160 older single-hulled patrol ships, mostly modified from the 206MR design (they aren't too expensive), operating from Volgostan bases on the Black and Caspian Seas, coupled with 35 Howlin' Wolf (modified Grisha) corvettes.

Perhaps it would be easier to put this into list form.

LRR and associated states combat ships:

LRRN:

Baltic Sea Fleet
-Major Bases:
St. Petersburg

25 Son House class coastal defense vessels
15 Ry Cooder (Modified Gepard) corvettes/light frigates
5 U-212 D/E AIP attack submarines
1 Sovremenny class destroyer
5 Spanish Castle Magic class corvettes

Arctic Fleet
-Major Bases:
Murmansk
Archangel'sk

35 Son House class coastal defense vessels
5 Ry Cooder corvettes/light frigates
10 Spanish Castle Magic class corvettes
8 U-212 D/E AIP attack submarines

Pacific Fleet
-Major Bases:
Petropavlovsk
Magadan
Sakhalin'sk

60 Son House coastal defense vessels
15 Ry Cooder corvettes/light frigates
10 Spanish Castle Magic class corvettes
15 U-212 D/E AIP attack submarines
5 Howlin' Wolf corvettes
12 Sovremenny class destroyers
10 Krivak class frigates
1 Invincible class escort carrier (planned)
2 Daring class air defense destroyers (planned)
5 Lafayette class multirole frigates (planned)

VN:

Black Sea Fleet
-Major Bases:
Rostov-On-Don

160 Buddy Guy class missile boats
35 Howlin' Wolf corvettes
4 Kara class destroyers
8 Krivak class frigates

I'm certain we can forge close and mutually beneficial ties of defence and trade between LRR and the Lyong Treaty bloc... however, there would be a lot of mutual glares over certain issues: Dra-pol, for example, which Spyr views as the legitimate government of all Korea, meaning that the PRS would be highly uncooperative in matters involving LRR support of the ROK. (Spyr would view a Drapoel attack as a push for reunification, not an invasion, and thus would not consider mutual defence agreements to apply).

But, such is the nature of all political associations, I suppose.

Yeah, imagine if India had like, oh, I dunno, good relations with the USSR or something! Man, that'd be wacky, eh? Oh, wait... damn reality backing up the anti-Sino case, again! It always does that, eh? What a bitch!
If you're going to be like that, Sino, I still really struggle to imagine a jackbooted China like yours not being awash with millions of angry students and other decent, intelligent human beings in constant protest, so I think it'd be better if you just stopped trying to tell others how to run their countries, out-of-character.

I don't really see why I should have a problem with what LRR proposes, though I think there's bound to be some nationalist movements in some of the satellites, even if only created by self-interested individuals.

I'm sure there was a third thing I wanted to say, but it escapes me.

Any nation can go jackbooted after losing a major war (Nazi Germany, the rising wave of ultranationalism in RL Japan as examples). Besides, Chinese students have better things to do than waving placards and gaining miserable grades. Sure there are many intelligent human beings, but intelligent human being know how to survive and certainly can be manipulated as the numerous professors under Hitler that willing gave stiff-armed salutes. The way you really struggle to imagine it is because you were born in bred in a democracy, that's why your views of dictatorship (expressed as Hotan's regime) are beyond all means of sense. Even the RL NK has better humans rights than you.

With the Military Junta's allowance for personal freedoms, it is simply a matter of choice (do not forget the influence of Singapore on Sinoese laws). But with ultranationalist propaganda, and the fear of being wiped out or eaten by Dra-poel just across the border, it only makes life easier to foster an ultranationalist, militaristic spirit.

So who's society has more sense and acceptability, Sino or the Dra-poel human cesspool?


As for India, Christianity, nor communism will take hold there, due to Hinduism being interwined in their culture and the fear of their current economic boom failing into the abyss of a Stalinist dictatorship, where the stench of human faeces replace the smell of incense. With the BG India being so full of Honkies, I can so imagine a case of internalist imperialism, carried out by a bunch of communized Poms.

OOC: Sino, would it be even remotely possible that you might ever stop acting like such a prat, out of character? Your nation can be as absurd as you like, your characters can be the biggest bastards in history, but if you yourself feel the urge to say something stupid, wouldn't it be better to just say it to yourself and not bother anyone else by making a pointless post?

OOC: Biggest bastards in history? If Dra-pol's Hotan is the butcher, then Beth Gellert is nothing more than his supplier of knives. At least my country isn't named after some British whore!

OOC: EI, if ya take Aussie, why not have NZ as well?

In our history, Celtic tribes -which certainly existed in Asia, if only as far as Turkey or there about in reality- drove east centuries, even millennia ago and established their own hillforts on the subcontinent. Celtic culture is as such well established in India. Later, the arrival of the British empire and the East India Company found a good anchor in these populations, and of course this only furthered the alternate migration (natural and probably forced) in the south and east of India.

The economic boom in India is absolutely nothing compared to Beddgelen prosperity, which is not only ten times greater but evenly distributed. There's no disenfranchised untouchable class in the Igovian Soviet Commonwealth. Sri Lanka is part of BG, too, and that actually was socialist.
Now, of course I will have to slightly alter the religious undertones in Beddgelen society, but the basic precedent of religious practice and belief being eroded by proper education and security in prosperity and life will continue.

I'd point out on another matter that Dra-pol obviously has some democratic systems, as can be seen in... oh, what's the thread called? Oh, the Paper Tigers/Wildcat one.

I don't know why you're taking issue with me for saying that your characters can be the biggest bastards in history if you want them to be. Maybe you'd prefer if I make your decisions for you, and maybe mush up your food for you while I'm at it?
Beth Gellert is the Romanised spelling of the Welsh meaning grave of Gelert. Gelert, according to Welsh folklaw and Beddgelen popular history, was a greyhound belonged to the last Welsh prince and slain by him in error after saving his child from a wolf. Beddgelert is a village in Wales in the approximate region from which my family originates, and this story is now believed to have been invented a century or two ago, by traders wishing to attract tourists and merchants to the area. In fact the Gelert whose grave is in question may be a monk or some such Christian figure.

You know, one of those or a British whore.

LRR, Lavrageria is still in chaos and working towards republic, and still without place in the world. So what I'm saying is that I could still end up RPing in place of Belarus or such, and could incorporate some sort of historical link to LRR. Like Moscow and Minsk, we could perhaps have treaties on common defence and other forms of more than usually close co-operation and commonality. This would largely be owing to our unavoidable weakness and vulnerability as such a small state (anywhere from six to twelve million persons, yet unconfirmed), and to our, er, unusual culture, which may well make us enemies. I imagine that Lavragerian culture may be a little more... harsh than LRR would like, and in turn for LRR turning something of a blind-eye, the Republic would be obliged to side with its big brother during international disputes, including through troop commitments (we will probably be disproportionally militarised owing to a warrior history, poor economy, and general fear).
Almost a satellite, but under other player-control.

AS for Christianity not taking root in India. Yeah, it is completely starnge to think a large empire with a polytheistic religion could embrace the faith. (Rome, Greece, varous Celtic tribes) or how about the various Daimyos in Japoan that onverted ot the fact that there is a Christian church numbering almost 60 millllion people in Northen China alone, as well as the massive amount of converts within the Phillipines, which though it has a nominalist Hindu poulation, its main faith is still Christianity.
And, S. Korea has one of the a HUGE Christian movement, even containing the largest single Christian church in the world, in Seoul.
WWJD
Amen.

Chritianity can take root anywhere. One belief, "I love Jesus, therefore I go to heaven" of course that's not the full teaching, its just manipulated.

Asians do not convert as fast as how Chritianity traveled through Europe, Middle East, Africa, and brought to the Americas. Asia has been a historic continent having containing 2 of the worlds oldest and strongest empires, and woth many more developing cultures influenced by these great two, Maghy..(forgot)India, and Han China.

And they simply lived and loved there own culture and religions.

60 million, maybe 200 million? in China? There's still a long way to go, of course, that is a real number, but many are Buddhists, Daoist, Confucianist, some even Muslims. BTW, Daoism is gaining more believers.

Old enemy, here. It doesn't appear, then, as if ISAN's use of the Andaman and Nicobar islands in this RP reality will be a problem?

Despite independence and increasing industrialisation in ISAN, in contrast to the real-life Indian territory, I will play the real population of something in the 370,000 region. The population appears to be growing by over 25% each decade, so we'll be up there with the Chinese before you know it!

Andamanase and Nicobarase contribution to this sphere so far has been entirely confined to provoking the Beddgelens inspite of being outnumbered almost a thousand to one, and... yeah, I think that's it.

And our population -based on real census figures- counts almost seventy thousand Christians as second only to a hundred and ninety thousand Hindus. That's us. Just over a third of a million capitalists on some sunny islands in the Bay of Bengal, with a history of picking the wrong fights and of losing every single military engagement we've ever fought. So, anybody want to buy a coconut?

Old enemy, here. It doesn't appear, then, as if ISAN's use of the Andaman and Nicobar islands in this RP reality will be a problem?

Despite independence and increasing industrialisation in ISAN, in contrast to the real-life Indian territory, I will play the real population of something in the 370,000 region. The population appears to be growing by over 25% each decade, so we'll be up there with the Chinese before you know it!

Andamanase and Nicobarase contribution to this sphere so far has been entirely confined to provoking the Beddgelens inspite of being outnumbered almost a thousand to one, and... yeah, I think that's it.

And our population -based on real census figures- counts almost seventy thousand Christians as second only to a hundred and ninety thousand Hindus. That's us. Just over a third of a million capitalists on some sunny islands in the Bay of Bengal, with a history of picking the wrong fights and of losing every single military engagement we've ever fought. So, anybody want to buy a coconut?

A&N, you'll be just off the coast of Marimaia's beloved sattelite state, the Union of Burma. If you do end up joining, we should probably work out the diplomatic situation between us.

Chritianity can take root anywhere. One belief, "I love Jesus, therefore I go to heaven" of course that's not the full teaching, its just manipulated.

Asians do not convert as fast as how Chritianity traveled through Europe, Middle East, Africa, and brought to the Americas. Asia has been a historic continent having containing 2 of the worlds oldest and strongest empires, and woth many more developing cultures influenced by these great two, Maghy..(forgot)India, and Han China.

And they simply lived and loved there own culture and religions.

60 million, maybe 200 million? in China? There's still a long way to go, of course, that is a real number, but many are Buddhists, Daoist, Confucianist, some even Muslims. BTW, Daoism is gaining more believers.

Well, in Asia, coming from my experiences and friends that are in mission
work in South-East Asia, as well as the RL stats that rea coming in all the time show that Asia is the fastest growing Christian group anywhere. In fact, the numbers I have given are the ones that are admitted to by the current regime. The actual number, as reported by Christian groups within China, might be much higher. As for Taoism, it ranks only slightly ahead of Christianity, with 70 million adherants. Remember that the state is avowedly aethiest. But Taosism and Christianity are the two largest faiths reported in China.
As for Confusciousists, that is the religion/philosphy that was most fought against when they came to power, seeing as how the Confuscious understanding of life is that you are to always work and adhere to a loyalty to the office of the Emporer.
But, the Confuscious understanding of family and day-to-day life still plays an important role there, and will continue to, but as a part of culture, rather than a practiced faith. So, a Chinese family will still follow the vernertion of ancestors in that they will have much respect for their family units, and see this as a strength. However, they do not see this as a faith, anymore than most of my aethiest friends still live by nominal Christian morals and accept Christian culture, all the while rejecting the faith.
Sorry for throwing up all this stuff all over you, I'm a religious studies major. Meh.
WWJD
Amen.

LRR, Lavrageria is still in chaos and working towards republic, and still without place in the world. So what I'm saying is that I could still end up RPing in place of Belarus or such, and could incorporate some sort of historical link to LRR. Like Moscow and Minsk, we could perhaps have treaties on common defence and other forms of more than usually close co-operation and commonality. This would largely be owing to our unavoidable weakness and vulnerability as such a small state (anywhere from six to twelve million persons, yet unconfirmed), and to our, er, unusual culture, which may well make us enemies. I imagine that Lavragerian culture may be a little more... harsh than LRR would like, and in turn for LRR turning something of a blind-eye, the Republic would be obliged to side with its big brother during international disputes, including through troop commitments (we will probably be disproportionally militarised owing to a warrior history, poor economy, and general fear).
Almost a satellite, but under other player-control.

While this idea is definately a good one, LRR is really more ethical than it is smart.

For example, I might lead a campaign into all of Asia because of some genocide or other, and in such a campaign be slaughtered. But I would still consider it worthwhile. After all, somebody's got to protect the oppressed.

But I'd probably inject plenty of money into an education system, conveniently teaching LRR curriculum, and plenty of government adivsers, backed by the imminent threat of a thousand PT-91s rolling across the border, saying 'be nice or else.'

Say, where's that thread again?

Spyr, yeah obviously I wouldn't ask for your help to keep the ROK its own country. Just stuff against Sino and Bonstock...and the nazis, should any come into Asia.

Wow .. does anyone else realize that this thread is 40 PAGES LONG!?

That's pretty awesome eh? haha..

As for the Christian values taking root in China, I think many Chinese people are very attracted to the idea of 'true Christianity' (don't mean to be offensive but many people don't practice what they preach and claim to be Christians when they are not *cough cough Kerry and Bush cough cough*). Anyway, as I was saying, Christianity appeals to many Chinese because its values are similar to the traditional values in China. Especially on issues of morality.

Here in Canada, they found that Chinese people were more likely to vote Conservative than anything else because the Conservatives views on issues of morality were so much in line with Chinese views.

Japan is a different story as far as I can tell, despite decades of freedom Christianity hasn't taken root, mostly because the culture has moved to a point where Christianity stands for almost everything that Japan is not. I don't want to go into specifics and definately this is simply my personal view of it (having lived there) so it might be (and probably is) wrong.

Well, as far as I know, there has been a love and hate relationship with Christianity in Japan, for instance, there was a Christian rebellian druing the Tokagawa Epoch that pitted 200,000 beleiver agains the armies of the Shogun.
Currently, there is a definate system of Christian oppression that is in place in Japan, but I still know of many friends that spaned very fruitful years ministering to Christian congregation there, but they were treated very horribly, from being deported and not having their visas renewed to being spat upon by people in the street. But, I'm sure that those people accurately represent the Japanese like Kerry represents Catholics.
BTW, History minor.
WWJD
Amen.

((Here it is: http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=366550
At the moment, half of the traditionally nomadic trouble-making civilisation is attempting to settle-down and to establish a republic, and the other half is brutally trying to prevent it.))

I think the Japanese have certainly fallen into an infatuation with some of the outward trappings of Christianity in modern days... I'm majoring in East Asian history, so I can say, I think, with a bit of authority that it has been the Japanese state, more than the attitudes of the people, which has been highly resistant to Christian influence... Catholicism was seen for a long time in Japan (and other parts of Asia) as a tool of foreign power over their people. In part, due to a papacy which seemed more willing to assert political authority, their suspicions were correct. In Meiji times, the genro saw Christianity in Europe as a unifying factor which had allowed them to become powerful, so they tried to suppress it and created a 'national' Japanese equivalent in State Shinto... not that any of that is particularly relevant.

Christianity in Spyr is a bit of an oddity... the after the Revolution, the government ordered Christian clergy (who had been present with minor success since the 15th-16th century) to unify into the 'Iunctan Church', and granted them the existing Church buildings as property. The Iunctans (and any other religious organisation, including numerous animist shrines) pay property taxes as would any other entity. At least 1% of Spyr's 60 million population are 'full-Christians', attending the Iunctan Church.

A much larger segment of the population can be considered 'trend Christians'... not really Christians at all, but using Christian imagery. It is popular for teenagers to wear crucifixes, frequently take the Lord's name in vain (profanity which makes no sense in the Spyran language, but has been adopten nonetheless), and hold 'jesus mass parties' where they eat crackers, drink wine, and pray for wealth and success on school exams.

More disturbing are the small number of suicides amongst teens, who choose to die by bleeding to death through self-infliction of stigmata-like injuries. Conservative Spyrans who hold to the peninsula's animist traditions blame this on the negative influence of Christianity on young minds.

Also prevalent in Spyr are 'Wedding Chapels', places built to resemble churches, complete with a man costumed as a priest and rentable tuxedos and wedding gowns. As a full Church wedding is seen as glamorous, these places provide the imagery without the substance.

Christmas, as an utterly commercialized holiday, is practiced across Spyr... few people attatch religious connotations to it, and it is seen more as a holiday to celebrate between couples, not family or religion.

[The last two are pretty much ripped off of (and perhaps exaggerated from) social trends in modern Japan, though I must admit I've never been there at Christmas to verify...]

OOC- Wow! thanx for the info, I do realise that the Jesuit Missionaires were seen, especially those Portugese ones who were known for meddling in regional politics, as an unwelcome influence to the upper classes, starting in the Muromachi Epoch and then moving into the Tokogawa period, where the Dutch were shown lenience in their isloationist policies with the understanding that they would not try and convert the locals.

That must be a fascinating major, I am doing my paper this year on the Muromachi.
WWJD
Amen.

All I can say is you guys are taking some interesting courses!

For the record O&I Japan is pretty much neutral towards Christianity; the population presumably follow the RL trends discussed whilst the ruling classes adhere to their own beliefs. Unlike previous Japanese regimes the Ringists are not concerned with making their chosen faith a 'popular religion', generally preferring to keep distinctions between them and the common 'Yamato people'.

The main religious festival (which doubles as the official 'national day') is known as Baasudei, and falls on the 8th November. Whilst the day is celebrated by the whole country only Ringists attach any spiritual significance to it.

I'm majoring in East Asian history



where? wut college?

Do u have anyt ips?? i m gonna try and major in East Asian history also, but I'm not so sure which schools have good programs and the like.

could you help me out?

In LRR, the majority of the population has a more philosopical outlook towards religion, mainly the concept of 'god.' Most people don't ascribe to a particular religion per say, but rather have their own beliefs about the meaning of god and spirituality.

But when it comes to religion, Islam and Judaism are big ones, followed by Christianity.

This is a very interesting subject, could everyone else post their religious make-ups? I think that question sometimes says more about your nation than anything else.
WWJD
Amen.

OOC: Inactivity Alert

Won't be active at all for the rest of Friday and the weekend due to the Steyr AUG marksmanship weekend.

http://world.guns.ru/assault/aug_r.jpg

I will only be marginally active until Nov. 23rd. In other words, be patient and keep some of the RPs on hold.

Liu will be back...

LRR: We're going to have to talk sometime about our shared border....with the changes that had to happen in Lyong for it to be in the RL asia, I now seem to share a border with you, beside Xiaguo, and Shi-Daoken, a Yamani city of the far northern mountains, is right on it.

Quinntonian: North Yaman follows the traditional Lyong animist religion found from the plains of Helekaru to the mountains of Yaman, to the plains of Spyr. Spyr has actually planned out large parts of it, using asian animist thought to create this native religion...along with parts of the native language.

Lyong animism holds sway in Lyong except in Tord, where christian crusaders invaded centuries ago. Christianity hasn't spread much since, though it is to be found all over the peninsula(mostly in southern Helekar, now Tordian occupied, and southern Spyr). Tordian missionaries have actually caused great conflicts on the peninsula when certain dangerous Yamani tribal peoples ritualisticly attacked them. Tord is now, however, a weak feudal organization complete with a Head of the Tordian Church Monarch Patricia...the country has basically no modern military except what Spyran armies are stationed in it under the banner of the LJDC(Lyong Joint Defence Command).

Now, I would leave Spyr to explain Lyong animism, as I have a less complete understanding of its entirety and I'm tired. As a last note, NY has four priests on its ruling High Council, each representing a different caste. These castes exist within Yamani animism and are known collectively as the Tsuchinoki, or Priests of the Land.

Marimaia's Religious Make-Up:

Although the 'NeoSuunist Parent-State' is officially atheist, religious practises are not banned; they are merely monitored. The most prominent religion is Theravada Buddhism, which is followed by a substantial section of the population. Theravadans are the only religious group exempt from monitoring, as the Theravadan leaders have made it clear that they support the NeoSuunist regime (incidentally, the NeoSuunists are planning to co-opt Theravadan Buddhism in an attempt to give Premier Suun a 'divine right to rule'; they are just looking for an excuse).

Marimaian Christianity is actually a different branch from the mainstream denominations. There were a small but growing number of Catholics in the nation, but after Vatican condemnation of Premier Suun's marriage to Tian Yao the Marimaian Catholics were 'encouraged' to split from Rome. A quiet purge of the more conservative elements was carried out, resulting in the Church of Marimaia, a denomination more or less state-controlled.

Islam is well-entrenched in the south of the country and continues to cause some uneasiness for the government. There are occasional incidents involving clerics who speak out against the government, but these are being dealt with through state-puppet clerics who seem to rate money higher than their own faith. It is the NeoSuunists' hope that their puppet clerics can eliminate any support for the more outspoken Islamic leaders, thus pacifying yet another religion in the nation.

There are also small followings of Shinto and Hinduism in the nation due to immigrant populations; these have shown no threat to the government, but the NeoSuunists are still infiltrating them in order to harness even more public support.

I guess, given my nations charachter, you can all assume that there is at least a fleadgling Quinntonina church movements, whether they be mssionary based or not.
I think we would especailly have missionaries in and around Tord, to try and unravel the damage that they have done.
WWJD
Amen.

I'm not so sure how welcome the Quinntonian Church would be in North Yaman right now. The government is pretty much run by Traditionalist, animist priests and atheistic Strainists. The capital is actually a shrine...and well, Christians just aren't very trusted by the conservative Yamani. Not to mention the SSRC alliance, which would mean NY doesn't recognize Quinntonian holdings in Drapol.

If Quinntonia wanted to send missionaries, it would most certainly have to go through the High Council first...and it would probably run into the dominate Tordian Church in the Lyong peninsula.

What is the usual manner of these Quinntonian Church missions? Do they count as an embassy as well?

I'm not so sure how welcome the Quinntonian Church would be in North Yaman right now. The government is pretty much run by Traditionalist, animist priests and atheistic Strainists. The capital is actually a shrine...and well, Christians just aren't very trusted by the conservative Yamani. Not to mention the SSRC alliance, which would mean NY doesn't recognize Quinntonian holdings in Drapol.

If Quinntonia wanted to send missionaries, it would most certainly have to go through the High Council first...and it would probably run into the dominate Tordian Church in the Lyong peninsula.

What is the usual manner of these Quinntonian Church missions? Do they count as an embassy as well?

Um....a missionary is just a beleiver that goes to a a place, usually a foriegn culture, sometimes referred to as "the mission field" and try and preach the Word of God, while helping people as much as they can and trying to live an upstanding and Godly life. Many of these are private citizens who are just moved to go out and serve God and their fellow man. These private citisens are sometimes supported by the various churches and charitable organisations within Quinntonia. They are literally in every nation, and sometimes they are martyred in droves, but still they come. Dra-pol alone martyred over 100,000 of these such workers, pastors, priests, teachers and other aid workers who were working in that country before Kurosian II invaded Hamhung the first time. And that was in the space of a month.
There is also thousands of state supported missionaries that are nominally under the auspices of the Quinntonian Armed Forces. They are non-combatants, and will never fight in any armed capacity, but work as an aid auxilary to the Quinntonian government. There are also the state-sponsored Prayer Warriors, who are also under the Armed Forces and whose job is just to pray. They are airdropped into combat zones, unarmed except with Bibles, and gather in prayer for the salvation of the enemy and the safety of civilians and our troops. They are also placed with military squads and serve as auxilary medics and spiritual leaders to the troops in the field. They have facilities all over the world, where hundreds gather and pray for the furthering of the Christian Church and other such issues.
The state-run missionaries are those who I am talking about when I post that we are sending humanitarian aid, the prayer warriors are assumed, and though various church organisations would have definately asked for permissionto come, the private missionaries just go where they feel God leads them, and that is "all nations," as it says in Acts.

But, my embassies are technically seperate diplomatic institutions, but all of these groups could be represented there. BTW, we would even have missionaries in places like Tord and Hudecai, who are nominally, if loosely Christian based states.

And BTW, you guys have to start to understand, I am not playing a theocratic, Papacy rules the world nightmare, and when I mention the churches in Quinntonia, they are completely seperate institutions from the state, though the line does get blurry. I will not have things like Inquisitors or witch-burnings, you all need to understand that I desigened Quinntonia to be a Christian paradise, filled with people who are truly on fire about their faith and genuinely trying to live by the Word of God. They are not "faux-Christians" or anything of that sort. Sure, there may be those in the population that resemble those stereotypes, but hen again you all have subversives in your countries too.
Just remember that it is not the Quinntonian Church, it is the Christian Church that we follow, and that has no man-made boundries.

WWJD
Amen.

In Xiaguo, North China, Any Religious Branches must be authorized by the government to be officially put to work. The two largest Religions in Xiaguo is Buddhism(Mahayana) and Christianity(Catholic). However, Taoist beliefs are extremely important in moral standards of every Chinese.

The largest Religious Organizations as labeled.
Christianity
The Catholic Church of China(Church of China) Officicial Christian Branch
The Christian Church of China(Lutheran, Calvinists)
The Orthodox Church of China

Buddhism
The Dharma Wheel Society of China - Official Buddhist Branch
The Thervada Society of China(Under Dhama Wheel)
The Mahayana Buddhism Organization of China(Under Dharma Wheel)

BTW - Foreign Missionaries must be registered with the Church of China, either branch of the Christian religion, the Official Branch takes care of 'missionaries'.

I hope Buddhist tourists or anyone going to Quintonia(USA) won't get beat up by a mob of angry Christians.

What I think NY is referring to is that the nation might not allow them across the border, state-related or no. The Tordians have soured most of the Yamani to Christianity, and a number of cultural factors make church practices rather abhorrent to peninsular society in general. The Iunctans, for example (or the Churches that have become the Iunctans) pretty much abandoned taking communion because it had too many barbaric connotations.

While Spyr has Freedom of Speech laws (and implied freedom of religion), North Yaman does not... its a much more totalitarian system as it drives towards a full industrial economy.

Even in Spyr, the state places limits on actions, which might affect missionary work. All foreigners are registered and issued visitation visas which last up to 4 weeks, (unless they are members of the Strainist Party or Students enrolled in a government university). While in the country, visitors must register at the local Levy police box where they are staying, and must re-register if they move to another box district.

People are free to assemble, provided that they do so in areas approved by the local authorities and recieve permission to do so (requiring submission of forms outlining purpose, time, place, etc).

It may seem a bit repressive, but its almost unheard of for the Spyran authorities to deny entry visas or meeting permission... the system serves mostly as a way to monitor matters within the country, so that the security and prosperity of the people are left undisturbed.

hope Buddhist tourists or anyone going to Quintonia(USA) won't get beat up by a mob of angry Christians.

LOL! Of course not, but they may get sick of hearing about Jesus by the time they go home.

As for states that won't allow them across the border, well, the government missionaries wouldn't go, unless ordered to by my government. However, the private ones, they'll go regardless, and sometimes because of, the opposition. It is kind of like the Christian churches in N. America in RL raising money so they can smuggle Bibles into China, though if they get caught they would end up in jail for indefinate amounts of time.
WWJD
Amen.

LRR: We're going to have to talk sometime about our shared border....with the changes that had to happen in Lyong for it to be in the RL asia, I now seem to share a border with you, beside Xiaguo, and Shi-Daoken, a Yamani city of the far northern mountains, is right on it.

Quinntonian: North Yaman follows the traditional Lyong animist religion found from the plains of Helekaru to the mountains of Yaman, to the plains of Spyr. Spyr has actually planned out large parts of it, using asian animist thought to create this native religion...along with parts of the native language.

Lyong animism holds sway in Lyong except in Tord, where christian crusaders invaded centuries ago. Christianity hasn't spread much since, though it is to be found all over the peninsula(mostly in southern Helekar, now Tordian occupied, and southern Spyr). Tordian missionaries have actually caused great conflicts on the peninsula when certain dangerous Yamani tribal peoples ritualisticly attacked them. Tord is now, however, a weak feudal organization complete with a Head of the Tordian Church Monarch Patricia...the country has basically no modern military except what Spyran armies are stationed in it under the banner of the LJDC(Lyong Joint Defence Command).

Now, I would leave Spyr to explain Lyong animism, as I have a less complete understanding of its entirety and I'm tired. As a last note, NY has four priests on its ruling High Council, each representing a different caste. These castes exist within Yamani animism and are known collectively as the Tsuchinoki, or Priests of the Land.

Yeah, I would assume that you have a relatively short border with me in the southwest. This is fine; doubly fine since I think I have a bigger population and therefore...well, you can guess where this is leading...I'm ok with it. You're probably fine with LRR concepts of human rights and such, but if not, hopefully not in too steep a violation.

http://www.ilmatorjuntaupseeriyhdistys.fi/2_99/kuvat/bmp1_2.jpg

A BMP-1MVD (very modified) of the Pacific Military District near Chumikan on the Sea of Okhotsk.

Just a sort of random military picture. The BMP-1 and -2 are the base for most LRRA IFVs and specialist weapons vehicles, while the MT-LB-MOD, which has a hybrid drive and is built mostly of composites like the SEP, is the primary APC and engineer vehicles platform.

Hello there. This doesn't really do much to Asian geography, but Quinntonia thinks it best that I post here before having the UK get involved with the North America recognised here, so here we go. It's probably no surprise to realise that I play as the UK, and hope to have some involvement with this community, as it were.

I would like some historical recognition of British involvement in Asia, even if it is not all good PR for the nation. There'll be one or two conflicting claims but if it's ever important I'll just phase things out of this reality until the issue is resolved or something. If people want to recognise TBF as the UK, I don't know if they'd be interested in considering that they had to gain independence or claim over territories like, well, India, Hong Kong, Singapore, Australia, and well, I'm sure you're familiar with the British Empire. Oh, and maybe Canada and what not, too. I get the impression that Quinntonia is prepared to regognise history as it until the American Revolution was over, at least. I don't know if it works for others to have big chunks of SE Asia formerly British.

Anyway, having gone over all that potentially enemy-making stuff, let me offer an update on the UK as played by me. It features a world in which voters tired of New Labour having as good as destroyed the credible leftwing of British politics without bothering to ask many people whether they'd actually mind (imagine that happening!), in which the Conservatives completely fail to offer a lively opposition (gasp!) and in which people inexplicable refuse to believe that if everyone voted Liberal Democrat that they might actually win an election (I know, I'm just messing with the bounds of reality, here!). Mr.John Bull then rises to power with the British Industial Democratic Party (BID), which has a lot of traditionally left-wing policies in regards to civil rights, taxation, and services. Basically, a vote for BID was a vote of no-confidence in traditional allies, originally meant to be a snub to the USA, but I'm having to work in Quinntonia and to assume that maybe the war in Iraq was replaced by wars in Dra-pol. Presumably the British press includes more than a few friends of Bull and his party, and the thing was played as imperialism after the masters (the UK) have stopped playing. That is to say, as simply not cricket.

Erm, so now, if we're not widely rejected, the UK is going to have a go at healing divisions with North America and then sailing around the world trying to make sure that no one else hates us anymore, either, and that we at least look like we're helping and can justify that fourth carrier Bull just ordered.

Sorry if that went on a bit, I wanted to get a fairly thorough introduction out of the way.

Well, we can certainly have Burma/Myanmar as a former British colony; one of the reasons for the Marimaian liberation was to regain lost land, some of which could have been lost to British colonial efforts. Marimaia itself was Siam back then, so there would have been an agreement with Britain over sovereignty (therefore allowing Marimaia to claim that they were never occupied by colonial forces, well not the Thai part anyway).

Relations between the UK and Marimaia could be quite warm, provided that the British government is willing to overlook the lack of elections being held. Marimaia has a glowing civil rights record (partly because they're very open-minded, and partly because they only oppress specific people, which is a lot easier to keep quiet), and that would probably help Bull justify relations with the NeoSuunist regime.

Though you are most likely going to have a limited impact on Asia, I am ready to recognise you in this context as I am not going to be doing any more RPing outside the Modern World. So, it would make it easier to RP some of my Atlantic responsibilities if we recognised TBF.
I especially would like LRR's and Hudecia's input as other Atlantic nations.
WWJD
Amen.

LRR doesn't actually border the Atlantic, but has Atlantic access. I think its best, currently, to keep the affairs of The Modern World in Asia until NPC countries are taken over by individual players. I mean, simple diplomatic visits and such, and the occasional border incursion are fine by me, but not into NPC nations.

NPC nations should probably only be interacted with on the diplomatic and economic level, not the military level.

I also think we should limit ourselves to only one or two nations, and none in Europe unless you want to give up significant land holdings in Asia. With the British Federation, its easier because of colonial ties, and I presume they only hold a little bit of land in Asia.

Well, there's the British Indian Ocean Territory, obviously enough, erm, and Pitcairn Island, but maybe East Islandia claims that? I dunno. Erm. There's an RP in which the UK is administering some islands around New Guinea with a view to eventual return to self rule, but that doesn't really matter.

Damn it! I just just the heck out of my gum. I need a bottle opener, really. Argh. Erm. That's all.

I suppose you can have pitcairn island. I was claiming austrailia, though, and dropping claims to the US protectorates in the south Pacific (Quinntonia has that). However, I would like to have those in the Pacific that are not claimed by Quinntonia or anyone else.

I dunno, I would like to see TBF recognised as would give me a whole missing side of my nations RP. I have been so concentrated on S-E Asia that I have pretty much ignored my peaceful front in the Atlantic.
I don't have any RPing experience interacting with TBF, so I can't vouch for him, but in all the talks we have had, he has held himslef up with intelligence and respect, so I support his claim.
And, with the British influence in Asia in RL, there should really be someone who plays that nation.
WWJD
Amen.

The Xiannese Emperor dies in a ca crash. The Princess finds herself suddenly the next Ruler of China, however, a powerful regent in charge of the National Army may try to seek power.
http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=7370870#post7370870

Quinntonia: Christian missions would be blocked from entering North Yaman for fear they may support counter revolutionary minorities, like the Saiyan rebels or whatever small pockets of christians you may find scattered about. Also, any people associated with Quinntonia would probably find themselves simply turned away at the border. The region is very strongly traditional Lyong animistic, and priests have been involved in government and politics since the August Empire...combine this with aethistic Strainists burning with revolutionary zeal and you don't have a very welcoming environment.

LRR: Yeah, we share a border, with the mountainous home of the Chi-geren minority right on it. Shi-Daoken, with its ten thousand Chi-geren, is probably a huge town for the area...a trainline does run up into Russia as well, in the Lyong map Spyr made(http://img8.exs.cx/img8/7545/amodernlyong.jpg).
The Yamani government won't really feel threatened by the LRR numbers, as the region nearest NY is definately the "backwoods" of Russia. Drapol unification of Korea would be a contensious issue between our governments, but other than that I imagine Moscow gets along well with Mioka-ro.

Hey. for you who are interested, Xiaguo is about to fall into another civil war, the future may be grim as this war is between power hungry Communists and Weak Loyalists. The EMperor has just died in a car crash and the family has escaped to the North where most of the Royal troops reside and operate at.
This may afect diplomatic relations and trade with other allies.
http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=7374818&posted=1#post7374818

Dang, if I knew, i would go to war and take lyong..

Quinntonia: Christian missions would be blocked from entering North Yaman for fear they may support counter revolutionary minorities, like the Saiyan rebels or whatever small pockets of christians you may find scattered about. Also, any people associated with Quinntonia would probably find themselves simply turned away at the border. The region is very strongly traditional Lyong animistic, and priests have been involved in government and politics since the August Empire...combine this with aethistic Strainists burning with revolutionary zeal and you don't have a very welcoming environment.

LRR: Yeah, we share a border, with the mountainous home of the Chi-geren minority right on it. Shi-Daoken, with its ten thousand Chi-geren, is probably a huge town for the area...a trainline does run up into Russia as well, in the Lyong map Spyr made(http://img8.exs.cx/img8/7545/amodernlyong.jpg).
The Yamani government won't really feel threatened by the LRR numbers, as the region nearest NY is definately the "backwoods" of Russia. Drapol unification of Korea would be a contensious issue between our governments, but other than that I imagine Moscow gets along well with Mioka-ro.

I realise that, and there will be no official Quinntonian movements into that are. However, there WILL be private individuals going there, no matter how hostile the environment, even if they have to sneak across the border on foot.
WWJD
Amen.

Hey. for you who are interested, Xiaguo is about to fall into another civil war, the future may be grim as this war is between power hungry Communists and Weak Loyalists. The EMperor has just died in a car crash and the family has escaped to the North where most of the Royal troops reside and operate at.
This may afect diplomatic relations and trade with other allies.
http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=7374818&posted=1#post7374818

Dang, if I knew, i would go to war and take lyong..

You would go to war and take Lyong? Because you share a border with us? Sorry if I'm confused...its just most people don't just randomly say they would try to take out your nation.

Also, what brought on this civil war? Power hungry communists? Do you even know what communism is, or do you just use the defunk "Communist" state of RL china as an example?

No more Mr. Nice Guy (attn. those involved in the Malaccas):

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=7382237#post7382237

Just to let everyone know, I have issued an ultimatem to Bonstock, and I specified thirty days as the period in which he hsa to repond, how should I count off the days?
WWJD
Amen.

A few questions to clarify some ModWorld political-demographic data...

East Islandia: You are located on Australia and New Zealand, plus some other Pacific Islands, yes? Which island groups? Whats the total population.

On a related note, is New Guinea divided as in RL, or is it all under Bonstockian control. If not, who controls the other half?

And finally, did we ever make a final decision on Mongolia? Is it part of Xiaguo, or an independant NPC power?

1 rl day= ten NS days. By 3 days, bitch slap him and ask for the reply.

um... give me a few days to calculate... im studying for stupid assessment tests (SATs), so i might be a lttl busy

OOC:
Hi there, I'm Tord, I'm the, thus far, quite Nation in the South of the Lyong Penninsula, and I'm like to participate in this modern world Rp if I could, I've got some things to work out for my nation before I do much of anything, just thought I'd get my foot in the door.
thanks

Tord, you are most certainly welcome, some of your nieghbours have been telling us about you.
WWJD
Amen.

I've tried to come up with a political map of Asia for us, and this is the result:

http://img112.exs.cx/img112/2001/southeastasia.jpg

Quinntonia - USA, 300 million
+ Quinntonian Dra-pol – Hamhung - 6 million – [yellow]
Hudecia – Canada - 30 million
Spyr – Lyong - 60 million – [dark purple]
LRR - Russia - 143 million – [light blue-grey]
Marimaia - Thailand, Laos, Cambodia, eastern Myanmar - 95 million – [light mauve] Burma (NPC: Marimaia, Hudecia)- Myanmar, minus some eastern territories - 42 million – [light green]
Dra-pol- N. Korea, plus northern SK, minus Hamhung - 34 million – [dark crimson]
North Yaman – Lyong - 15 million - [light brown]
Tord – Lyong – 20 million – [blue]
Sangun - Vietnam - 82 million – [dark green]
Beth Gellert - 300 million – southern India – [dark red]
Xiaguo - 700 million - northern China, Xinjiang – [red]
Sino - 600 million - southern China – [dark blue-grey]
Chuang-Han - 98 million – far southern China, ethnic Thai territories – [cyan]
_Taiwan - 28 million – Taiwan – [neon green]
S. Korea (NPC: Hudecia, LRR) - ? million – [dark cyan]
Bonstock - Indonesia, Singapore, Malaysia, Maropian Coast, Sakishimas - 250 million – [light orange]
O & I- Japan - 127 million – [light blue]
Wulaishen – Phillipines - 86 million – [blue-grey]
Andaman & Nicobar - Andaman and Nicobar islands – 350,000 (?) – [bright pink]
East Islandia – Australia and New Zealand - ? million – [dark blue]
Kaendru – Nepal - ? million – [dark brown]

Further questions (sorry if they’ve already been answered somewhere else):

1) New Guinea: Is it divided as in RL, or does Bonstock hold the whole island? If not, who holds the other half?
2) East Islandia: What is your population? You also said something about controlling some other islands and island groups. Which ones, exactly?
3) SK: What is the population of South Korea, after its losses to Dra-pol, and associated hardships?
4) Mongolia: Is it NPC-controlled, or annexed by Xiaguo?
5) Are there any other states that I've missed?

Mongolia is annexed by Xiaguo loosely. You can invade, and nothing may stop you, hint. The civil war may drag near North Yaman, Spyr, or even the bordering LR(Russia) according to the map.

That is a great map, and I will be using it from now on.
The other side of New Guinea is NPC, Bonstock never claimed it.
I would suggest though, that we limit the involvement of NPC nations, as they are pretty problematic.
WWJD
Amen.

Is there really 6 million people in the area around Hamhung? I think I remember this being brought up before, but I'm not sure if the problem of numbers was really resolved.

Just FYI...I've recently decided to invest heavily in smaller missile boats, which can be built in large numbers, and at the same time am reactivating numerous Grishas that were due to be scrapped. This is all part of my "make the military suck less" plan.

Damn, that probably means that we won't be able to flog any decomissioned assault carriers, frigates, heavy support vessels, or marine fire support cruisers to LRR if BG ever gets around to its own long-overdue and similar programme, eh.

I've tried to come up with a political map of Asia for us, and this is the result:

Quinntonia - USA, 300 million
+ Quinntonian Dra-pol – Hamhung - 6 million – [yellow]
Hudecia – Canada - 30 million
Spyr – Lyong - 60 million – [dark purple]
LRR - Russia - 143 million – [light blue-grey]
Marimaia - Thailand, Laos, Cambodia, eastern Myanmar - 95 million – [light mauve] Burma (NPC: Marimaia, Hudecia)- Myanmar, minus some eastern territories - 42 million – [light green]
Dra-pol- N. Korea, plus northern SK, minus Hamhung - 34 million – [dark crimson]
North Yaman – Lyong - 15 million - [light brown]
Tord – Lyong – 20 million – [blue]
Sangun - Vietnam - 82 million – [dark green]
Beth Gellert - 300 million – southern India – [dark red]
Xiaguo - 700 million - northern China, Xinjiang – [red]
Sino - 600 million - southern China – [dark blue-grey]
Chuang-Han - 98 million – far southern China, ethnic Thai territories – [cyan]
_Taiwan - 28 million – Taiwan – [neon green]
S. Korea (NPC: Hudecia, LRR) - ? million – [dark cyan]
Bonstock - Indonesia, Singapore, Malaysia, Maropian Coast, Sakishimas - 250 million – [light orange]
O & I- Japan - 127 million – [light blue]
Wulaishen – Phillipines - 86 million – [blue-grey]
Andaman & Nicobar - Andaman and Nicobar islands – 350,000 (?) – [bright pink]
East Islandia – Australia and New Zealand - ? million – [dark blue]
Kaendru – Nepal - ? million – [dark brown]


OOC: Let's not forget that the Maropian Coast is no more, considering that the Bonsies were caught with their pants down in Op. Nightlife, just very recently.

Yes, there is about 6 million people in and around Hamhung. The population stuff we talked about before was whether or not I should have the additions 86 million in the Phillipines, which we all decided wouldn't make sense in RL.
WWJD
Amen.

Righto! Just wondering though, is that entire population Christianized? Sino may be wrong that Chinese are more resistant to Christianization, but I wonder what percentage of the population would have converted and what percentage might still support Drapol.

Damn, that probably means that we won't be able to flog any decomissioned assault carriers, frigates, heavy support vessels, or marine fire support cruisers to LRR if BG ever gets around to its own long-overdue and similar programme, eh.

Oh, I'm sure the LRRN could still find a use for some...provided the price is right...

*looks insidious*

I assume you must have Kiev-style ships. Those are always useful. The LRRN is currently trying (ableit very feebly) to build a small escort carrier and two stealth destroyers. My mouth waters over the idea of buying surplus outdated hardware instead...

My mouth waters over the idea of buying surplus outdated hardware instead...

The government of East Islandia is willing to sell high-end catamaran aircraft carriers made of composite material. The economy is in hard times right now, with the war and such.....

Righto! Just wondering though, is that entire population Christianized? Sino may be wrong that Chinese are more resistant to Christianization, but I wonder what percentage of the population would have converted and what percentage might still support Drapol.

No, the entire population is not Christianised, about 40% has converted, mostly to a Lutheran background, and I think about 15% has reclaimed an animist ancient faith natural to their people, and about 45% have remained Aethiest.
As for those who still support Dra-pol, I hope you are not assuming it is just a matter of religion, you know, only the Christians support the Quinntonian government. Most of the people that wanted to go back to Dra-pol, were allowed, we still allow them to go to Dra-pol if they want, though there is a security process that they must go through.
Most, probably like 95-8% of the population are loyal to Quinntonia, though some want to be self-governing, they remember what life was like under the Dra-poel regime and are terrified of going back, you know, re-reducation and stuff.
Even those that are aethistic and want self-rule see the Quinntonian military as a necessary evil. They absolutely are terrified of the prospect of returning to Dra-poel rule. They realise that their politics and all of the many luxuries that they have would disappear under the old regime, and the Peoples Army of Dra-pol is parked everywhere sorrounding the city, the people remember having Dra-pol use WMD against us and sending thousands of people to brutal deaths. They also wake up every moringin to see the terrifying visage of hundreds of Quinntonian and Quinntonian Dra-poel citizens crucified on the borders of the city.
WWJD
Amen.

An update for the map:

Tanah Melayu (NPC: Marimaia) - Peninsular Malaysia - 19 million


The plebisite in Burma was also held; the rest of Shan State voted to join the NeoSuunist Prosperity Sphere. Here's a map to show Marimaia's new border:

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2003-10/422380/southeastasia.jpg

We should probably ask for info from those who now have a former part of Bonstock under their protection.

After a long and difficult construction process, the LRRN's first aircraft carrier, the LRRNS Strange Brew, is finished at the Sakhalin'sk naval shipyards, its two new escorts not far, but not too close behind.

http://www.naval-technology.com/projects/invincible/images/Invincible_new_14.jpg

A knock-off of the English Invincible class carriers, it is designed to give the LRRN a craft capable of delivering a squadron or two of Jaguar IINs and Sea Harriers to a battlezone. It is not meant to engage other carrier battlegroups, and it is constructed more for a type of battle like the war for reunification, where there are few serious enemy naval threats to deal with. The Strange Brew will likely be equipped with several Ka-31 AEW helicopters in addition to its regular ASW compliment. This will provide good radar capabilities in a relatively small package.

http://homepage.eircom.net/~steven/images/ystad.jpg

The LRRN also is upgrading its fleet of 140 Type F missile boats to carry P-800 Yakhont missiles. This will improve the boats' usefulness against very large surface combatants like carriers and battleships. The Type F, based on the Swedish Spica class, has a maximum speed of slightly over 40 knots, and has excellent seakeeping. Easy to maintain and able to be mass-produced easily, the Type F forms the backbone of the LRRN's coastal defense flotilla. It is armed with an MDG-351 35mm CIWS system, as well as many decoy launchers, and equipped with a hybrid drive system. The use of composites in the construction of the ship reduces its weight and radar signature, and also makes it much more robust, important for winter operations.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/europe/images/fa2_988381727f.jpg

The LRRN will also take delivery of 18 FA. 2 sea harriers to equip one carrier-borne squadron and one reserve squadron. The Harriers will be modified to accomodate eastern-bloc LRR weaponry such as the Blackadder LRAAM and AA-11 MOD short/medium range AAM.

http://www.quadra.home.ro/wall/MiG-29%20Sniper%20takeoff.jpg

The LRRAF also plans to upgrade a significant portion of its FRA. 4 fleet with newer engines. The FRA. 4, of which the LRRAF operates about 350, is the airforce's primary fighter aircraft, next to the MiG-21-2000 II.

The offer to sell LRR some Islandian catamaran carriers and submarines still stands.

The PRS is currently assisting in the stabilization and formation of government structures in Sujava (the islands of Sumatra and Java).

The Quinntonian government just wants to move in to make sure that the huge military complex that is now leaving its armes ungaurded doesn't pose any problems for security.
WWJD
Amen.

With the construction of the Strange Brew finished, the LRRN sees no immediate need for larger and more capable ships. After all, they would require dock facilities that the LRRN currently does not possess and doesn't really want to have to build.

It is also rumored that the Volgostani Airforce is looking into a possible aquisition of up to 75 Su-30MK fighter aircraft to replace its aging fleet of MiG-23s. The Su-30s in Volgostani service will greatly increase that airforce's combat power, and certainly add some weight to the current squadrons, made up of mostly MiG-23 and MiG-27 aircraft, with a handful of MiG-29s.

The FRA. 4 is mostly a MiG-29 copy, but incorperates western avionics and domestic engines, much more fuel-efficent than the regular ones.

But another fact remains- the FRA. 4 force is still less than half of the LRRAF's fighter wings. Most of it consists of MiG-21s, considered a novelty aircraft by many of today's airforces.

New RP started:

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=374523

'Rising Suun' - could be interesting in the long-term

OOC: Why the hell does LRR's ships have such poofter names?

What are you talkin' aboot?
Strange Brew is a good Canadian name.
WWJD
Amen.

OOC: Why the hell does LRR's ships have such poofter names?

You just mind your own business.

For your information, Strange Brew is the name of a Cream song. I picked it since its somewhat fitting.

Also, I think perhaps 175 FRA. 4s is a much more fitting number than 350. I probably operate around 350 first-rate aircraft total, like the Su-35, and perhaps some basic Su-27s with minor modifications.

You just mind your own business.

For your information, Strange Brew is the name of a Cream song. I picked it since its somewhat fitting.

Also, I think perhaps 175 FRA. 4s is a much more fitting number than 350. I probably operate around 350 first-rate aircraft total, like the Su-35, and perhaps some basic Su-27s with minor modifications.
Oh, I thought that you were making a reference to the SCTV movie about Bob & Doug MacKenzie. Classic.
WWJD
Amen.

OOC (to Hudecia):

Would it be viable to say that Gen. Liu grew up in Hudecia (Canada)? I mean that country's got the hunting, English and endless liberalism that shaped his thinking and personality.

Lmao

OOC To Sino:

Sure why not? Guess that it wouldn't matter either way but it'd add an interesting twist.

OOC To Sino:

Sure why not? Guess that it wouldn't matter either way but it'd add an interesting twist.

OOC: It'll give him another reason not to nuke your country. LOL!

Heh..heh.....heh..

OOC: It'll give him another reason not to nuke your country. LOL!

It says in 'America The Book' that hypernationalist juntaisms should not be allowed to play with nuclear weapons.

It says in 'America The Book' that hypernationalist juntaisms should not be allowed to play with nuclear weapons.

In that case those whole human race should undergo nuclear disarmament, which no nuclear-armed country in the world will accept.

[looks from UK-sized nuclear arsenal to mountain-sized biological arsenal (which you didn't hear from anyone in character!) and strokes chin... hmm. A gesture of good will... nuclear disarmament? [ponders]]

Hey, all. This is Tokarev, with my brand new account.

I decided I was sick of the occasional forum woes I had with Tokarev, so I have created this new account. After looking at the claim map, I would like to join in your RP circle as the rest of India and Bengladesh not currently claimed. What say you?

No opposition from me.

me neither.

I think you need to find the new member thread, though.

King Wingert I of The Village of Farrah.

Tokarev, are you in with the Gellert of Beths? If so, India would welcome you, and your armements, with open arms.

Estenlands: This is the only OOC "modern world" RP thread I could find.

LRR: What exactly do you mean by "in with"? I am not allied with them, if that is what you mean. But I am not an enemy of them, either.

[He may be referring to the common connection between BG and LRR... living next to a pair of democratic liberal/socialists who both have a reputation for projected activism might be enough to make most feudal-capitalist states nervous ^_^].

I see ... well that ought to make things interesting ... :) (and a little bit of :mp5: )

I see ... well that ought to make things interesting ... :) (and a little bit of :mp5: )

Just keep in mind that you'll also be bordering the Marimaian client state known as the Union of Burma....

However, Marimaia's liberating days are done now that all targets have been achieved, so here's to peace and harmony!

Don't take that to mean that Marimaia won't be watching though ::shifty glance::

I see ... well that ought to make things interesting ... :) (and a little bit of :mp5: )

OCC: I pity the fool who crosses Beth Gellert. As long as you don't try and assassinate people, or start rebellions, or invade or make yourself a nuisance, I myself would probably not invade.

Yeah, I always do that, and before I know it, they all want to jump me.

LOL

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=376859

That's the current AMW recruitment thread, MC.

I have this information for India and there abouts:

Beth Gellert
-Sri Lanka, Indian states of Tamil Nadu, Kerala, Karnataka, Andhra Pradesh, Orissa, Chhatisgarh
300million

Andaman and Nicobar
-Andaman and Nicobar Islands
360thousand

Lunatic Retard Robots
-Unquestionably an accepted and willing member of the MW community, the issue here is just the final specifics of Hindustan's Indian extent.

Sorry, LRR, I know that you considered changing the claim slightly, and then maybe changed back, so if I can just get a final claim from you I'll write it in and not have to pester you for it again :)

Ah, found it, BG's Indian states map:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v148/Chivtv/NS1/ind-map-3.jpg

Obviously it has a big white space where Bangladesh would be, but I think that we all know that it sits in there near West Bengal and (potentially oil-rich) Assam.

Ooh, here's a population table, as well: http://www.tn.gov.in/population/india.htm

It's the 2001 census, so already marginally out of date, but I think that we assume that as developed nations, Hindustan and BG aren't growing so quickly anymore. Bangladesh has, I think, about 140million people on its own.

My states:

Madhya Pradesh
West Bengal
About 1/4th of Uttar Pradesh
Jharkhand
Bihar
Matharashtra
Gujarat

My total population is about 370 million people, thereabouts.

[My damn computer is acting up and I can't log off of Tokarev, and for some reason it is letting me post on the forums, which it usually doesn't let me do. Odd how these things work. Anyway, Mahratta Confederacy will be my RPing nation, and I will probably claim Rajasthan, Delhi, Haryana, the rest of Uttar Pradesh, Uttranchal, the Punjab, Himachal Pradesh, and Jammu and Kashmir for a population of 266,121,282. If there are no objections, I could make my claim official by posting on the recuirtment thread]


EDIT: Looking at the map, what about that little slice called Goa? It seems to be unclaimed. I will not claim it, as it looks like LRR will want it, and he just missed it when he looked at the map.

Looks like if the India's Unite, it can be, well, atually no. Maybe will make us, China's a little more reluctant to make peace, which I have already begun doing so.

[My damn computer is acting up and I can't log off of Tokarev, and for some reason it is letting me post on the forums, which it usually doesn't let me do. Odd how these things work. Anyway, Mahratta Confederacy will be my RPing nation, and I will probably claim Rajasthan, Delhi, Haryana, the rest of Uttar Pradesh, Uttranchal, the Punjab, Himachal Pradesh, and Jammu and Kashmir for a population of 266,121,282. If there are no objections, I could make my claim official by posting on the recuirtment thread]


EDIT: Looking at the map, what about that little slice called Goa? It seems to be unclaimed. I will not claim it, as it looks like LRR will want it, and he just missed it when he looked at the map.

OCC: No, I think me and BG determined that Goa is independent from the established Indian states, perhaps a colony of England or UE.

And Xiaguo, I can't exactly understand your reasoning. Why make peace when you can have an even bigger, longer war over the entire border! I can't see anything wrong with that.

*sarcasim*