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Let's try and keep this civil, problems between nations in RL should take only diplomatic form.
WWJD
Amen.

That is an interesting solution O&I, I think it should be fine, but let's wait to see what LRR thinks.

North Yaman... I believe we made an exception for the Lyong Peninsula. But I would like an estimate on your populations.

If I remember correctly LRR said that his pop is between 10 and 20 million.

Hey, Nobody wants Mongolia? I am controlling Mongolia right now, and I am willing to give it up.

The reason I am controlling Mongolia is for the sake of it since its just right north of Xiaguo. Let's just say Mongolia became rogue and came under Chinese occupational forces. Mongolia, and Xinjiang is a SAR of Xiaguo.

...And Sino...when have you ever been invaded, or done anything other than yell racist comments and attack other nations?

Sino was invaded in Xinjiang. Sino being the defender of the Chinese race fights the wars on the behalf of Chinese not under the leadership of our Dragon's Lair (Military Junta HQ).

Hey, Nobody wants Mongolia? I am controlling Mongolia right now, and I am willing to give it up.

The reason I am controlling Mongolia is for the sake of it since its just right north of Xiaguo. Let's just say Mongolia became rogue and came under Chinese occupational forces. Mongolia, and Xinjiang is a SAR of Xiaguo.

Oh f*ck, when you lose it, you'll never get it back. Don't give up the steppes for fun.

hypocrit

Unlike yours, mine does not have grand imperial plans for Asia.

I have a question LRR...in real life, how many people live in Eastern Russia? If we're going to be playing entirely RL, which I'm guessing we're not as Lyong still exists, then it probably wouldn't be as scary as the present LRR...I'm just wondering, as I believe I share a border with you to the north.

...And Sino...when have you ever been invaded, or done anything other than yell racist comments and attack other nations?


Well...I was actually going to ask for the whole thing, which puts my population around 143,000,000 people, mostly concentrated west of the urals.

But if that's too much, I'd be perfectly happy with something less.

And Dra-pol, what are my top-of-the-line ABM defenses for, eh? Not to mention...Russia is an awfully big place to nuke.

Ah, but dont forget the diplomatic angle... LRR would get a lot of allied support because... well, he's less scary than you.

See? See? Can't scare me with those big sacks of RP poision.

Not to mention...I've sort of developed a fair amount of ABM systems. And you'd have to nuke a very decentralized force.

Yeah pretty much everybody hates you, Sino. You'd probably get killed in retaliation, what for nuking a country with no retaliatory capability of it's own. Not to mention, it would mean your 'fearless infantrymen' had failed against the somewhat ho-hum LRR army...

Well...I was actually going to ask for the whole thing, which puts my population around 143,000,000 people, mostly concentrated west of the urals.

But if that's too much, I'd be perfectly happy with something less.

And Dra-pol, what are my top-of-the-line ABM defenses for, eh? Not to mention...Russia is an awfully big place to nuke.

LRR- are you claiming the whole of Russia? Coz' if so I guess it throws out my earlier proposal...

Well, whole not counting that sliver down by Vladivostok, because I really don't want to be bordering Dra-pol. Too difficult.

But, what do the rest of you say about all of Russia? Excessive?

It's a big country, so in that central asian part and a whole lot of it, military presence is very small, as is population.

So do you mind if I take the Primorye Kray, or is that too much?

As to the rest of Russia, personally I reckon it makes sense to have the whole lot (or at least teh population of the whole lot). Only 20 million people isn't much fun to play around with in the vaste wastes of Siberia!

Yeah, take it.

*Digs out map*

Yeah, all yours. Mabye you guys could fit the Lyong penninsula onto the Primorye area, so as to keep the Geography thing simple.

If Dra-pol was Dra-pol, I'd be scared because he could just sail practically his entire army into Vladivostok across the way there. Not good at all...and then by 2.9 billion people would be spread across a gigantic area, concentrated in Europe, so I'd have to ship in my forces from across the Urals...the plus side is that I get to rationally have more tanks...damn Iron Blood and his bloody main battle tanks that I can never hope to compete with!

*Goes back to plotting*

Oh...oh oh oh! Look who's mister massive army now! I am! I am I am I am! BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHHAHAHAHAAHAHAAHAHAHAHAAH!!!!!!!!!

Take that, Hotan-man!

*Momentarily forgets that army is spread across the better part of two continents, concentrated on the wrong side of the Urals*

Yeah, take it.

*Digs out map*

Yeah, all yours. Mabye you guys could fit the Lyong penninsula onto the Primorye area, so as to keep the Geography thing simple.

If Dra-pol was Dra-pol, I'd be scared because he could just sail practically his entire army into Vladivostok across the way there. Not good at all.

Greatly appreciated LRR...

If the Lyong peninsula is attached to Primorskiy, it should be coming off the eastern side rather than the southern (else Vladivostok and Nakhodka cease to be ports!)

Unlike yours, mine does not have grand imperial plans for Asia.

ooc: We've shelved those plans a long time ago. Figured we'd find other methods of housing our people, rather then spreading out.

Hm. I'm seriously thinking about having BG reduce its population, too, and I was thinking about moving... but I'm realising that I've got too many ties to my fictional continent in the middle of the Indian Ocean, having been there for more than a year, and uh, created the continent that now has twenty-some nations on.

Anyway, I hope that most people here will be willing to recognise BG out in the southern Indian Ocean. We're right down vaguely around the Tropic of Capricorn, and we've a major capitalist foe between us and mainland Asia (uber-capitalist Andaman and Nicobar (guess where their empire's centred)), so that would keep our involvement down a bit. As to our past affairs in Asia... we're the ones that gave Dra-pol its limited ABM capacity, sort of acting like North Korea's Soviet Union, only less afraid of NATO.

I think I'll be bringing my population down from well over three billion to around three hundred million, and keeping it there. That's a lot compared to some nations here, but we're not as directly involved, most of the time, plus those other concerns I already mentioned, blahdeblah. It's less than the USSR had, anyway.
Hopefully BG will be recognised as not likely to abuse any disproportionate strength. In the past we've fought relatively few major wars, intervening against the imperialist invasion of Madagascar but not following-up with a counter-attack on the source nation or with annexation of Madagascar (though we do have a military base rented there), fighting primitive Iansisle and obliterating their advance fleet but not attacking the homeland, and again, forcing the Andamanese and Nicobarese out of a tiny fictional archipelago near the BIOT, but not taking advantage of their weakness to attack the homeland.

I do go on a bit when I'm sober, though.

So, who needs potatoes? :)
Oh, well, can I interest you in LAWs named for Malagasy wildlife?

*sigh* carry on!

Yeah pretty much everybody hates you, Sino. You'd probably get killed in retaliation, what for nuking a country with no retaliatory capability of it's own. Not to mention, it would mean your 'fearless infantrymen' had failed against the somewhat ho-hum LRR army...

There is no need to hate Sino. Some of you are just jealous. I would not consider nuking LRR as I see nukes as retaliatory. My fearless infantrymen will not fail against a bunch of dopeheads with AKs.

My allies do not hate Sino.

Do you folks hate me ICly or OOCly? Firstly, I can understand that the IC hatred would be similar to how the world hates RL America (always fear the strong guy). But none of you (except for _Taiwan), know me OOCly.

If there is IC hatred, please state whether it is directed on the country or Gen. Liu (primarily his ideas of creating a reunified, strong China)?

Well, as a target nation of said Reunification, I'm a bit weary of you... But no, I don't dislike you in anyway. You seem a bit gruff at times though, in our OOC conversations on MSN...

Speaking of MSN! Does anyone in this clique have it? Or AIM?

Do you folks hate me ICly or OOCly? Firstly, I can understand that the IC hatred would be similar to how the world hates RL America (always fear the strong guy). But none of you (except for _Taiwan), know me OOCly.

If there is IC hatred, please state whether it is directed on the country or Gen. Liu (primarily his ideas of creating a reunified, strong China)?

IC hatred from Marimaia is for several reasons:

1) You're powerful, we claim to be superior but we know we can't beat you without serious assistance.

2) You have ultra-conservative domestic policies, which totally clash with our liberal domestic policies. Basically you outlaw everything we've embraced.

3) (building on point 2) Premier Suun and Gen.Liu have never actually spoken to each other, but Suun hates him with a fiery vengeance. Partly because of the whole United China crusade which poses a threat to growing Marimaian influence in SE Asia, and also because of certain opinions which the General has expressed; Suun doesn't appreciate being branded 'unnatural' just because the person he loves happens to be male.

OOC hatred:

None. I don't think I've RP'ed with you before, and I don't know you personally. You seem to be an in-your-face kind of guy; not something I really like, but I've gotten along well with people like that before. I'd have to get to know you better to say for sure.

Well, this thread is officially a discussion forum, so...

A full list of Taiwanese equipment, OOCly of course seeing as most of it "doesn't exist".

F-36 Tailess carrier fighter
IDF-E Trainer
IDF-2 Switchblade multirole fighter
IDF-3 Fighter-bomber
IDF-4 Interceptor
WINGRA-class Maritime fighter
Alinghi-class battleship
Oracle-class Arsenal ship
Doujin-class superdreadnought (in the upcoming future - You've all heard of this right?)
High mobility artillery ramjet system
E-720 Multi-mission aircraft

Hm...that's all I can remember for now. Most of the army is using RL US equiipment.

(Just a note in the event that anyone ever tries to bring something as stupid as a Doujin into a Drapoel-based conflict: the first volley of the war will be the one that sinks said vessel.
The state and extent of Hotan's Black Dragons is in a state of dimensional flux, improving and increasing several hundred fold in realities where-in the presiding deity is a giant steel...part.)

I have MSN... but since my MSN ID is my name.. I'm wary of giving it out on an open forum like this.

IC hatred/fear of Sino:

The Hudecian government has always been wary of Sino and does not trust Liu at all. Despite the similar conservative values, Hudecia never is so open about them.

OOCly: I dunno.. you RP fine.. and beyond that I couldn't care...

Xiaguo does not fear Sino, we only feel the urge to catch up with SIno. However, the populous generally loves Liu, however, the government is fearful of its strong millitary dictatorship.

Before you start wondering who the hell has crashed the thread now, this is O&I, or to be more precise, the new nation I have created to inhabit the Primorye/Primorskiy Territory.

Fortunately the new start has made it possibly to free myself from the worst excesses of ringist doctrine, so it's perfectly safe for your citizens to approach their televisions again ;)

Right, some info on this place (it's all very provisional at this stage):

Name: Hokurin 北林
Noun: Hokurinese
Adjective: Hokurinese
Language: Hokurinese/Ringo (Russian, Mainstream Japanese and English also spoken)
Capital: Tsumiyako 津京 (formerly, Vladivostok)
Other major cities: Higashiminato 東港 (formerly, Nakhodka); Uzukawa 渦川 (formerly, Ussuriysk)
Currency: Rin (HRR)
Area: 165 900 square km
Population: approx. 10 000 000 (Note: the RL population is between 2 and 3 million, but I've hiked it to represent the 7.5 million Hokurinese who very strangely have not been recorded in the RL census!)

Armed forces still being worked out...but a lot of downsizing is going on :(

As it seems Sino has asked whether anyone fears him, I will give the NY response...we don't really care. The tribes of North Yaman have had practically no contact with the outside world for the better part of a millenia, not due to any isolationalism, just general backwardness. Wary of war, the Traditionalists(animists and the priestly orders) probably view what they've heard of Sino with much morbid interest and shock. The Strainists within NY(basically the governing body) have other, more pressing cares than worrying on Southern China...we're much closer to Xiaguo, who is only the Kingdom of Dawi Grung away from us...

This is the only place I am going to have the oppurtunity to say this, so please read this, and if possible pass it on to other nations in our Asia RP.

I recently got laid off from my job, and am working a rather low-paying job at a local restaurant. I do not have enough money for payments on either my house or my internet bills, among other things. So I am selling my apartment and moving to another, cheaper one (fortunately closer to my new job), and until I find a better job, I will not be able to pay for internet access.

So, for now, I will be unable to log on to NationStates or keep up on the forums. Any RPs that I am presently involved in can carry on as normal, and my "Setting of the Rising Sun" RP can stop now and be picked up when I return. I will be asking a friendly nation in my region to occasionally log on to my accounts to make sure the nations aren't deleted (I have him the passwords).

Sorry for the inconvenience, and I hope to see you again in a while.

-Ryu Siagyo (Tokarev and Japannese Islands)

Sorry for the inconvenience, and I hope to see you again in a while.

-Ryu Siagyo (Tokarev and Japannese Islands)

Hearing things like this really puts it all into perspective...anyway, the very best of luck with your job-hunting; hopefully you'll be back here again before you notice being away!

With regards to Primorye/Primorskiy, We should probably work out some sort of mapping scheme, as part of Lyong (North Yaman in particular) spills out onto the continent proper in roughly that area.

Sorry for the inconvenience, and I hope to see you again in a while.

-Ryu Siagyo (Tokarev and Japannese Islands)

Good luck man; hope to see you back soon.

Good luck! Remember, a job bad or good is always a job.

tag

Well, this thread is officially a discussion forum, so...

A full list of Taiwanese equipment, OOCly of course seeing as most of it "doesn't exist".

F-36 Tailess carrier fighter
IDF-E Trainer
IDF-2 Switchblade multirole fighter
IDF-3 Fighter-bomber
IDF-4 Interceptor
WINGRA-class Maritime fighter
Alinghi-class battleship
Oracle-class Arsenal ship
Doujin-class superdreadnought (in the upcoming future - You've all heard of this right?)
High mobility artillery ramjet system
E-720 Multi-mission aircraft

Hm...that's all I can remember for now. Most of the army is using RL US equiipment.

Hell YEAH!

http://www.emeraldesigns.com/matchup/gallery/roc/aircavalry.jpg

OOC hatred:

None. I don't think I've RP'ed with you before, and I don't know you personally. You seem to be an in-your-face kind of guy; not something I really like, but I've gotten along well with people like that before. I'd have to get to know you better to say for sure.

OOC: There's two faces to the same coin. I'm in your face when debating or RP'ing. But when I'm out hunting or shooting, I'm always quiet.

IC hatred from Marimaia is for several reasons:

1) You're powerful, we claim to be superior but we know we can't beat you without serious assistance.

2) You have ultra-conservative domestic policies, which totally clash with our liberal domestic policies. Basically you outlaw everything we've embraced.

3) (building on point 2) Premier Suun and Gen.Liu have never actually spoken to each other, but Suun hates him with a fiery vengeance. Partly because of the whole United China crusade which poses a threat to growing Marimaian influence in SE Asia, and also because of certain opinions which the General has expressed; Suun doesn't appreciate being branded 'unnatural' just because the person he loves happens to be male.

1. Vigilance is the price of nationhood. We believe that the only way not to have the Chinese being pushed around (whether it be in South East Asian or elsewhere) is to forever expand our (actual) strength. So, like it or lump it (except that we ain't just strong on paper, so you cant' lump it)! Sino has no problems with Marimaia, but we are extra vigilant (South East Asian racism towards the Chinese is prominent).

2. Look towards the right. Liberalism means a decay in moral values, in order to be strong in our disciplined, militant nationalist society, we can't have moral or educational weakness. We can all imagine the streets of Marimaian cities at night, just like the flesh pots of Bangkok! Your liberalism only makes us laugh at your lack of culture even more.

3. What other skills does your Premier Suun have? Gen. Liu is an active officer/sniper in the Sinoese army and a qualified mechanical engineer. (OOC: Premier Suun is gay? LMAO!)

Looks like the IC hatred is mainly directed at Gen. Liu. I mean come on, he's a good guy.

There is no need to hate Sino. Some of you are just jealous. I would not consider nuking LRR as I see nukes as retaliatory. My fearless infantrymen will not fail against a bunch of dopeheads with AKs.

My allies do not hate Sino.

Well, LRR is afraid of your decidedly hostile stance against left-leaning nations and your practice of killing those you deem 'hippies.' You know, you don't have to be on drugs to have an opinion that differs from yours, Sino.

Now I know that China has been terrorized by the west for ages, but this is a case where you are being your enemy. Mabye need to put some plaster into that big chip on your shoulder...And I hope when you say classical music you mean classical music, not those military marches.

I mean, the classical composers are without a doubt the best musical minds of the western world, and there's some really great African, Cuban, and Asian (especially Indian) music out there. Nothing's saying that you have to listen to rock music... If there's one thing General Liu should have learned from his classical music listenings, it is that all men are brothers! (Beethoven's 9th symphony).

And I would hardly dismiss the LRRA as a buch of dopeheads with AKs...seeing as during the second reunification of Korea the LRRA contingent was the only one to offer any kind of trouble to the Dra-pol force. While it is true that the individual soldier is usually equipped with perhaps night vision goggles and a radio as the limit of his high-tech equipment, and still carries a version of a rifle dating from the 1950's, the army is trained to fight on it and has a lot of excellent anti-tank and anti-aircraft equipment which could definately take a chunk out of any invading force.

Granted, if you ever were to attempt an invasion of LRR, Army Group East would be much less heavily equipped than Army Group West, especially in the tanks and armored vehicles department, but would still probably be able to put up a good resistance. And there's still a good 8 infantry and 3 assault (infantry but with tanks) divisions near the coast, and perhaps an infantry divison or two covering the southern border. And with the trans-siberian railway and several parallels, divisions can be shipped over the Urals from the western area if need be.

Hey, Nobody wants Mongolia? I am controlling Mongolia right now, and I am willing to give it up.

The reason I am controlling Mongolia is for the sake of it since its just right north of Xiaguo. Let's just say Mongolia became rogue and came under Chinese occupational forces. Mongolia, and Xinjiang is a SAR of Xiaguo.

We'll take it, if that's all right.

See, in Dra-pol, he wouldn't have been laid-off. Darn cappies.

Of course, if he'd been fired for not declaring a yam or something he'd have been shot and used for militia bayonet practice, in Drapol, but never mind that.

We'll take it, if that's all right.

You've taken enough from us, mister.

1. Vigilance is the price of nationhood. We believe that the only way not to have the Chinese being pushed around (whether it be in South East Asian or elsewhere) is to forever expand our (actual) strength. So, like it or lump it (except that we ain't just strong on paper, so you cant' lump it)! Sino has no problems with Marimaia, but we are extra vigilant (South East Asian racism towards the Chinese is prominent).

2. Look towards the right. Liberalism means a decay in moral values, in order to be strong in our disciplined, militant nationalist society, we can't have moral or educational weakness. We can all imagine the streets of Marimaian cities at night, just like the flesh pots of Bangkok! Your liberalism only makes us laugh at your lack of culture even more.

3. What other skills does your Premier Suun have? Gen. Liu is an active officer/sniper in the Sinoese army and a qualified mechanical engineer. (OOC: Premier Suun is gay? LMAO!)

1. Ah, but the Chinese of Marimaia are embraced rather than discriminated against due to our accepting culture. Perhaps if the two nations had a good talk they could sort out their differences.

2. At least we're not communist (any more). You say we have no culture, but we respond by laughing at your excess discipline. We must be doing something right, or we wouldn't be around right now.

3. Oh, where to begin? Premier Chiisu Suun is an excellent horseman, the Marimaian National Fencing Champion, and an accomplished Muay Thai enthusiast. He also created the current Marimaian ideology of NeoSuunism, which is bringing the nation so much prosperity. You don't want to know about Tian Yao, Chiisu's bodyguard/First Spouse. For you see, it wasn't pneumonia that put the old Premier (Chiisu's father) in the cold ground...

Bonstock, you already got your share..

wow, you make your leaders sound admirable. My Character, Yeh is a historian and a teacher before he worked into politics. He is very good at taichi though. LOL

We see that China must cooperate with others, any time, but when trouble strikes, we must stick close and shoot out of the barrel. Xiaguo is doing its best to remain in peaceful Asia, if anything happens though, we will be the first to strike. BTW, no good RP's lately.

Do you folks hate me ICly or OOCly? Firstly, I can understand that the IC hatred would be similar to how the world hates RL America (always fear the strong guy). But none of you (except for _Taiwan), know me OOCly.

If there is IC hatred, please state whether it is directed on the country or Gen. Liu (primarily his ideas of creating a reunified, strong China)?

Ahh Sino....so powerful, so aggressive, so concerned about not being liked :p

But seriously now:

OOC: I don't hate people OOC in NS because I generally don't know them, and because impressions gained through a game (especially an RP) can be very misleading. Even someone who is acting like a total jerk will not earn my hatred; my contempt yes, pity almost certainly- because they are clearly sad and shallow people who don't understand that NS is about lots of peopel having fun in their free time.

From what I've seen Sino's only fault is that he RPs his nation too well, with the result that people inevitably begin to wonder whether he is as aggressive, macho and unreasonable as General Liu's regime!

IC: The Sangunese regime's impression of Sino is a mixture of contempt, hatred and pity. Clearly any nation that feels such an overwhelming need to assert itself over its neighbours has a deep seated insecurity at its heart, which is something of a shame. The Sangunese view of Chinese history is basically one of boom and bust; that is, periods when they refuse to treat anyone as their equal followed by intervals when they are the worlds football. According to the Sangunese, the best thing for China and Asia would be a confident Chinese regime that doesn't equate stability with domination.

Ahh Sino....so powerful, so aggressive, so concerned about not being liked :p

OOC: Sino's ain't America, you know.

BTW, no good RP's lately.

OOC: Agreed. To be fair to say, _Taiwan and I have no time or appetite for RPs at the moment.

Well I'd say that Sino stays IC even when posting OOCly, that'd be one of his faults.

The only RL politican with similartities to General Liu would have to be Mark Latham.

Latham: "John Howard is an American ass-licker!"
Liu: "The Drapoel are subhuman commie degenerates!"

Well I'd say that Sino stays IC even when posting OOCly, that'd be one of his faults.

The only RL politican with similartities to General Liu would have to be Mark Latham.

Latham: "John Howard is an American ass-licker!"
Liu: "The Drapoel are subhuman commie degenerates!"

Come on, mate. You see me in RL every weekday and I'm not that bad. Actually, Gen. Liu would be more comparable to Chiang Kai-shek (only more competent!) and also looks good in uniform. Gen. Liu has the eloquence of Hitler, so that's useful, a pro-Semitic Chinese Hitler. LOL!

Jin Shi (Golden Lion) Software is a Sinoese company that is currently developing a region based RTS game. Such controversy was stirred by the fact that this Lords of the East game is to feature realistic weapons systems from Sino, Xiaguo, Dra-pol, LRR, Taiwan, Bonstock, Hudecia and possibly others.

Controversy stirs, as the game will incorporate some of the latest technologies in PC gaming but also, the latest political controversies of the era. It is a surprise that such ideas passed censorship.

In a public statement, the spokemen have mentioned that:

Players have the right to choose from any of these countries as well as picking different branches of their forces to command (ground, air or naval) or 'supreme command' (all branches for a co-ordinated attack). Choose from ground commands such as infantry, spec-ops, airbornes, armor, artillery and more.

Each choice of command results in a slightly different campaign, so the number of campaigns will not be scant.

All units are real to life, right down to dimensions, so the zooming interface is extremely useful. And yes, carriers will be huge. Also permitted is the rotation of viewing angles to achieve maximum realism.

Realistic looking structures (none of that fancy crap seen in C&C or RA).

Realistic weather (snow, rain, sandstorm fog, day and night cycles), terrain (indoor, woodlands, snow fields, desert, ocean, jungle, and urban) plus real time (spent on the mission) and actual time (comparable to days and weeks).

Special abilities range from propaganda broadcasts, spy satellites, garrisoning of infantry, capturing, suicide bombing, strafing and more. Each unit can be toggled for ability, tactics, ammunition and weapons. Set squads, teams, etc. and agendas or missions, let them do your bidding!

Terrain so real that you can almost smell the sulphuric haze after an artillery bombardment. Vehicle tracks in mud and realistic war gore. Watch in awe as skyscrapers collapse like dominoes and nuclear fires consume entire cities.

Pumping orchestral music by the Shanghai Philharmonic Orchestra. Tracks aid moods of glory, sombre losses, hardcore battle and excitement.

Ranks unlock hidden technologies and new systems to be commanded. Start as a major and work your way to the top. Exciting missions, from spec-ops (sometimes indoor), covert ops, large scale invasion, bombardment, search and destroy, insurgency, survival, kill 'em all and apocalypse (dealing against WMDs). Fight across the subcontinent in sea, land and air. Gotta show 'em who's boss! Promote your men and unlock hidden abilities.

Equally exciting multiplayer features. Take them on head to head, in a campaign, don't let friendship get in the way. Try single unit survival death match with up to 50 players, keep killing and keep raiding enemy or neutral supplies. Range of maps to choose from as games are not meant to be boring. Indoor maps for only the involvement of infantry (spec-ops) and some of the lightest and tiniest vehicles. Dominate your friends over the internet or LAN/IPX networks.

Due to the high number of campaigns, this game is likely to come in a multitude of CDs.

- Exciting Campaigns:

Desert Storm China:

Hudecia vs. Sino, fight over the fate of Xinjiang in an epic struggle between 'human rights' vs. China.

Clash Across the Strait:

Chen's back and this time it means business! Death or glory as the tigers of China fight a struggle between independence or reunification. Battles rage in the sea, land and air as two superpowers of the East take on each other for their fates.

One China Policy:

Xiaguo and Sino, empire vs. republic in this struggle between two powerhouses for the hegemony of China. You decide who should be enthroned in Beijing. Old memories of the last Chinese Civil War (1945-49) just keep running back.

My Precious:

China will not lose face as the forces of Taiwan and Sino collaborate against the occupation by Bonstock. Hardcore urban warfare at its finest.

Tokin' Up Arms:

Left vs. right as ideological differences run deep between LRR and Sino.

Peninsula Pandemonium:

Choose from a multitude of nations in fighting the armpit of the East. All horrors of war culminate as the options of battle and tactics are endless. Let it be new tech vs. old tech and your choice for the liberation or oppression of Korea.

- Just some of the units (currently being written):

Taiwan:

http://www.emeraldesigns.com/matchup/gallery/roc/aircavalry.jpg

F-36 Tailess carrier fighter
IDF-E Trainer
IDF-2 Switchblade multirole fighter
IDF-3 Fighter-bomber
IDF-4 Interceptor
WINGRA-class Maritime fighter
Alinghi-class battleship
Oracle-class Arsenal ship
Doujin-class superdreadnought (in the upcoming future - You've all heard of this right?)
High mobility artillery ramjet system
E-720 Multi-mission aircraft
Mostly US ground systems

Sino:

http://www.sinodefence.com/c4i/candc/digital_1.jpg

Guo Fu C5ISRAI (enhanced command experience)
DF-21/31/15/11/41 Ballistic Missiles
NF-7A multipurpose high speed missile
Type 96/98 MBTs
Type 85-IV light tanks
ZZL-1 HBTs
Type 63A ALTs
WZ-551 series APC/IFV (wheeled)
Type 89 IFV/APC (tracked)
YW1000 IFV (tracked, 100mm ATGM + 30mm chaingun)
J-10, J-12, JH-15 fighters
J-5 suicide UAV
Heavy MLRS artillery
H-8 stealth bombers
H-7 medium bombers
Chiang Kai-shek class supercarriers
Ruthless infantrymen that laugh at the face of death
Marines
Airbornes
Spec-ops (Silent Thunders, Red Swords, Frogmen)
Snipers ("One shot, one kill. Sir!")
Suicide bombers ("For China!")
General Liu (technically not a unit but good for wacking a few separatists while on the battlefield)

Bonstock:

Leopard IIS MBT
CV-90 IFV and dismounts
HMMWV & crew
Crusader artillery
Heavy Expanded Mobility Medium Tactical Truck
Grossbonstocknia class arsenal ship
Ste. Evremonde class Missile Destroyer
Volvgrad class supercarrier
Seawolf submarine
B-2 Spirit
A-10 Warthog
F-15E Eagle
C-17 Globemaster III
KC-10
BSS agent
Lord Harald

LRR:

-T-SEP APC
-Hellfire II long-range ATGM & wide range of carrier vehicles
-Buddy Guy class missile boats, better than you might imagine
-Good fighters & bombers (they can hold their own, but their main advantage is their ability to take off from almost any piece of flat land)
-Long-range, coast-based ASMs (decentralized and hard to totally destroy)
-Gotland MOD attack submarines
-Prolific light anti-tank MRLs
-Prolific light ATGMs
-Good tanks (however few there are)
-Numerous and proficient engineer detachments


OOC: It’d be great if you guys add more!

If that's a real game I'd buy it. In the NS world, it'll be a sure hit!

2. At least we're not communist (any more). You say we have no culture, but we respond by laughing at your excess discipline. We must be doing something right, or we wouldn't be around right now.

We've washed away communism (and socialist or liberalism) since your leader was wallowing in his diaper faeces. Yes, discipline is strong, but we'll see who's laughing when artilleries boom and bullets whizz past at three times the speed of sound.

East Islandia

Imperial Dawn class submarine
J37 forward swept wing fighter
J40 high altitude fighter
Xishan class cruiser
catamaran assault cruisers
catamaran carriers
fast attack vehicles
hovercraft
Sea Dragons (special forces in any environment)
Pathet Cong Rangers (spec-forces in jungle environment)
Pearl Raiders (spec-ops in a coastal rainforest environment)
Zero Teams (Spec-ops in jungle, desert, and river environment)
Femme Fatales
General Sung
Premier Chai

Tech:
Spidersteel
Submarine weapons and shit
Sonic rays
EMP
sodium torpedoes and mines
tropical girls
more girls
girls

ok thats all

East Islandia

Femme Fatales
General Sung
Premier Chai

Tech:
tropical girls
more girls
girls

ok thats all

We ain't planning an X-rated game! Besides, the operations are complex and require two hands (one the mouse and one on the keyboard), not one beneath the table.

RE: Lords of the East. I don't really know what this has to do with Asian geography, but oh well, lets see, an excuse to ramble about the People's Defence Forces...

There'll be problems for the developers when it comes to building the Drapoel part. Foreign intelligence on the Drapoel military system must be full of massive holes, especially regarding the manner in which Hotan's CPRD would defend itself in the face of the sort of invasions likely to occur in the new game. It is likely that direct invasion of the People's Republic would result in more than usually ruthless tactics, and it would probably be remembered that the UPA used chemical weapons two or three times from the Crusader War to the War For Korean Reunification when it was provoked beyond a certain point.

Last time the CPRD was invaded, many of its current defensive institutions did not exist.

Units now include the moderately proficient People's Rear Defence Organisation, which basically supplements the Unified People’s Army in defensive operations. Also, the United Workers Militia, which is made up of old men and cripples but is massive, and mobilised piecemeal to defend local chokepoints. The Working Women’s Home Brigade, which is tasked with staffing air defence machineguns and such, and finally the Kuro Student Defence League... no one outside Dra-pol knows quite what that would do, but observers might be put in mind of Soviet military academy students charging against the Germans, as well as boy scout runners serving...uhm, the British Home Guard, perhaps.

Much of Dra-pol’s defence would be carried out with use of HARTS (hardened artillery sites), which have been proven proof to direct hits from 202mm artillery shells, and are usually placed on rear slopes, making them hard to bomb, strafe, or strike from range with stand-off missiles. Entrenched infantry, AAA, and SAMs guard the front faces, peaks, and approaches. HARTS tend to be part of the vast underground tunnel networks that riddle Dra-pol. Most of these tunnels and their underground storage facilities, factories, mines, arsenals, railways, command centres and more, are far too deep and reinforced to be worried by penetrator bombs and missiles, and NBC attack.

It should be noted that the UPA has no real capacity to invade anything but the ROK.

As for weapons systems:

Known aircraft are-
Mi-2 Hoplite transport/armed support helicopters
Mi-8 Hip transport/armed support/command/electronic-warfare helicopters
Mi-14 shore-based naval rescue/ASW helicopters
L2D4 (Japanese DC3-alike) utility transport/diplomatic transport/airborne command aircraft
AN-2 Colt utility transport/airborne assault transport planes
S-11 (NT4E Hobgoblin Beth Gellert-built top-line aircraft) front-line fighters
S-10 (NT5 Cardinal BG top-line interceptor) front-line fighters
S-7 (Fishbed) fighters/interceptors
S-6 (Flagon) interceptors
S-5 (Ultra Shinden, primitive Fagot/Fitter-level plane) fighter/attackers
K-1 (Feda Kwong native aircraft) fighter-bombers
K-2 (Fitter) fighter-bombers
S-1 Zero elemental trainers
S-3 Shinden Jetto standard jet trainers
S-4 Super Shinden jet trainers/experimental platform/aerodynamic research aircraft
S-10 Cardinal twin-seat trainers
S-11 Hobgoblin twin-seat trainers

Known air defences are-
CS-400 Red Sky SAM/ABM battalions deployed to Da’Khiem, Kanggye, Pyongyang, and Seoul for long range and anti ballistic-missile defence.
S-200/SA-5 Gammon SAM
HQ-2B SAM
DRAR-19 SAM launchers, static and mounted on Type-192 APCs, trucks, or trailers.
QW-2 MANPADS
D-ZSU-47-2 SPAAAGs
Thousands of Anti-Aircraft Artillery guns static, truck-mounted, and towed 100mm, 75mm, 47mm, 30mm, 14.5mm

Known warships are-
Kurosian I Class light patrol frigate (one in each of two fleets)
Houjian Class missile attack boats (akin to Chinese ah, Type 520T? I forget)
Mogi Class missile craft
Tiburon Class patrol craft
Kae Class torpedo boats
Hound Class D/E submarines
Bap Class minature-submarines
Inchon Class landing craft utility
Hungnam Class landing craft utility
Choson Class landing craft personnel
Cholima Class hovercraft assault vehicles
Three Day Class assault-support boats
Goat Class minesweeping vessels
Kowan Class submarine rescue ships
-Also 100s of 75mm, 100mm, 105mm, 150mm, 190mm coastal battery guns
DSJ-1 and Qian Wei anti-shipping missile batteries

Known AVs et cetera-
Type-192 (native) amphibious APC
MT-3 “Hotan” (top Beth Gellen) Main Battle Tanks
Type D-18 (T-62-alike) Main Battle Tanks
Type D-14 (somewhere between T-54 and Japanese Type 74, highly mobile over difficult ground) medium tanks
Type D-42 Chi-To-M (ancient Japanese base with new turret) medium tanks
Type D-19 (slightly superior to PT-76) light amphibious tanks
Self-Propelled Guns 75mm, 100mm, 105mm, 150mm, 190mm calibre
Towed Guns 75mm, 100mm, 105mm
Multiple-Launch Rocket Systems, 122mm and 289mm
Mortars, 74mm, 109mm, and 146mm

The Sangunese are slightly bemused by the notion of LOTE, but are happy to go along with things in a spirit of participation...

OOC: I've re-jigged things since I last posted on this topic, having come to the conclusion that the previous force levels were a bit excessive on land, and rather pathetic at sea

Ground Units:
MBT-1 main battle tank (improved M60-2000)
LBT-1 light tank (improved Stingray II)
LFV-25 wheeled IFV (improved LAV-25)
HS-155 SP Gun (improved M109)
HT-105 Towed Howitzer (improved M119)
LFV-AD wheeled air defence vehicle (equivalent to LAV-AD)
MWV-AD (equivalent to Avenger)
LFV-M 120mm SP mortar vehicle (equivalent to LAV-M)
MADS Medium range SAM (equivalent to HUMRAAM)
TADS Theatre SAM

Missiles:
SAM-1 Nato codename: Gogo (used in LFV-AD & MWV-AD)
SAM-2 Nato codename: Grudge (used in MADS)
SAM-3 Nato codename: Gyra (used in TADS)
SSM-1 Nato codename: Scarecrow

Aircraft:
Su-34
Su-35
Roketon F1 advanced fighter (not yet in general service)
B-52S Badboy strategic bombers
AH-64S
CH-47S
UH-60S

Warships:
Tamquan class CVL (equivalent to Chakri Naruebet)
Trung Kinh class DDG (equivalent to Kongo)
Son La class DDG (equivalent to Murasame)
Da Lat class DDG (equivalent to Takanami)
Dao Gam class FSG (equivalent to Visby)
Cam Ranh class LPD (equivalent to Osumi)

Ouch.. got me out of my field of specialty.. oh well...

Hudecian Weapon Systems (more to be added once I get home from the university)

Ulsan class Frigates
Okpo class Destroyers
Halifax class Destroyers
Province class Destroyers
Albion Class Assault Carriers
UH-60Hs (modified naval Blackhawks)

Lots of towed artillery
Abrams tanks
Helicopter strike teams

Avro Arrow Mk II
F-22 Raptors
A-15s (bought from Taiwan)

Marimaia officially endorses LOTE, as it'll give other nations a chance to feel what it's like to be superior...

Units:

'Susanowa' class submarine;
'Shanjing' class destroyer;

Jungle Warfare Corps;
Airborne Corps;
Regular Infantry;
NeoSuun Guard (think Saddam's Special Republican Guard, but better and more loyal);
FAV Fast Attack Vehicle;
Type-63A Amphibious Tank;
Type-96 MBT;

RS-237 'Kurai Tenshi' Multi-role Fighter;
MNR-1 Assault Bomber;

Special Units:

Sakano (three-person group with no fighting ability whatsoever, but they broadcast patriotic J-Pop music to make Marimaia units fight harder and faster);

Premier Chiisu Suun & Tian Yao (two-person group; their presence increases Marimaian units' hitpoints. Excellent in close combat, no ranged attacks)

Special Building:

Facility ZQ9 (once built, it starts 'researching'; it may produce some enhancement, or it may be a waste of resources)


Marimaia would also like to request the addition of a new campaign:

NeoSuunist National Destiny

Lead the forces of the NeoSuunist Prosperity Sphere as they attempt to take their rightful territory from Myanmar, and perhaps beyond...

Some Spyran military units...

Ground
MBT-90 'Dragon' (main battle tank, notable for advanced suspension system
adaptable to mountainous terrain)
MBT-150 'Clawbear' (heavy tank. Rather impractical, and thus uncommon on
loose terrain, or where air superiority has not been
achieved).
TR-1 'Guar' (troop and cargo truck. Variants include TR-2 Mobile Kitchen and
TR-3 Field Ambulance)
M1A 'Ox' APC
M1B 'Fire Toad' (light tank mounting a flamethrower, built on the Ox APC hull)
M1C 'Dire Wolf' (light tank mounting a turreted pair of heavy machine guns,
built on the Ox APC hull)
M1D 'Crossbow' (light tank mounting a SAM launcher, built on the Ox APC hull)
'Rynn' MLRS vehicle
'Wildcat' Utility Vehicle (the rough equivalent of a Humvee for the PRS)

Air
H-1 'Raven' (tilt-rotor transport)
H-2 'Dragonfly' (variable turbofan helicopter gunship)
F-40 'Falcon' (air superiority jet fighter-interceptor)

Sea
LPS-1 'Shoreguard' patrol boat (light boat for coastal and river patrol)
WGE-1 'Kingfisher' missile boat (rapid strike wing-in ground effect craft)
WGE-2 'Seagull' transport (rapid strike WGE troop transport)
WGE-3 'Pelican' cargo transport (rapid strike WGE cargo/vehicle transport)
CT-1 'Daihatsu' light troop transport (a very basic light transport ship)
'Conqueror' aircraft carrier
'Orca' carrier submarine
'Tortoise' amphibious assault ship
'Porpoise' attack submarine
'Humpback' combat supply ship
'Munak' super-battleship (built some time after the Japann war, in respons to
Bonstockian production of new SBBs).
'Bongun' AEGIS destroyer
'Sohee' ASW frigate

Ouch.. got me out of my field of specialty.. oh well...

Hudecian Weapon Systems (more to be added once I get home from the university)

Ulsan class Frigates
Okpo class Destroyers
Halifax class Destroyers
Province class Destroyers
Albion Class Assault Carriers
UH-60Hs (modified naval Blackhawks)

Lots of towed artillery
Abrams tanks
Helicopter strike teams

Avro Arrow Mk II
F-22 Raptors
A-15s (bought from Taiwan)



Wow! Only a fellow Canuck could appreciate the fine weapons that you have here, especially the Avro Arrow Mk II!
WWJD
Amen.

PS- I'll post my military stats at some later piont, I will be in and out all weekend, as I am travelling.
Does anyone have a current list of who controls what?
WWJD
Amen.

OOC: I doubt that LOTE would be hitpoint-based due to realism of warfare. Players program their units to strike at various vulnerable parts of the enemy. For example, if troops are programmed to hit tanks in the tracks with LAW or explosives, tanks will only be disabled in mobility but the firing will continue.

Wow! Only a fellow Canuck could appreciate the fine weapons that you have here, especially the Avro Arrow Mk II!

What's a Canuck?

HOLY SH*T!!!

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=361739

We have entered that renowned phase of the game known as 'slappage time'

The government of LRR totaly refuses to cooperate with the game, stating that it has better things to do. Therefore, the Sinoese designers can probably take quite a few liberties with LRR equipment.

Here's a more complete listing of vehicles:

Ground Vehicles

T-SEP
-Armored personnel carrier (w/Spike-ER and 12.7mm MG)
-Ambulence
-Tank destroyer (100mm gun and Hellfire II missiles)
-Rocket artillery carrier
-command & observation
-engineering
MBT-9 tank
MBT-8 tank (largely withdrawn from service)
MBT-5 tank (Leopard 2S copy, saw action in Korea)
MBT-4 tank (T-72 copy)
-Bridgelayer
-De-mining vehicle
-SPH
-MRL
MBT-3F tank (most numerous tank, heavily modified T-55/62)
BMP-2V
Bv-206T
-cargo carrier
-ambulence
-artillery tractor
Bv-206TR
-ATGM carrier
-observation vehicle
-mortar carrier
TGB-20A
-Cargo Carrier
-Field Kitchen
-Command
Tatra 8x8
-cargo carrier
-MRL
-command
-Tank hauler
(There is a profusion of various other trucks as well)

Air

ZaS-42 (relatively limited numbers)
JAS-39 II
JA-37 II
MiG-21-2000
Mi-8
-Assault transport
-Medevac
-Engineer tasks
Gazelle II
-scouting
-anti tank
Ka-52
Sea King
Sea Knight
Nimrod MOD
Tu-142
An-2
Il-79
An-72
Ka-31
Ka-29
Tornado II
Su-25 MOD

Sea

Howlin' Wolf corvette
Son House missile/patrol boat
Buddy Guy missile/patrol boat
Krivak MOD frigate
Sovremenny MOD destroyer
Tapir LST
Ropucha LST
Ivan Rogov LST
Mother Teresa Hospital Ship
Auxiliary Hospital Ship
Algol Fast Sealift Ship (only one)
Yastreb Class Frigate
AC-2 Assault hovercraft
AC-1D Rescue hovercraft
AC-3 Heavy assault hovercraft (Zubir copy)

Weapons

AA-11 MOD AAM
AA-20 MOD AAM
RBU-6000 ASROC system
AGM-114 II anti-tank missile
Spike family anti-tank missiles
MT-12 anti-tank gun (100mm)
MT-15 anti-tank gun (73mm)
R-112SF2 MRL
2A6T howitzer
RPG-7W anti-tank rocket
MT-23 recoil-less rifle (160mm)
GRADLAR MRL
SA-11 MOD SAM
Starstreak HVM SAM
SA-10 MOD SAM

Note: ABM systems and anti-ship missiles are not included, and all lists should be regarded as more or less incomplete unless specifically stated otherwise by me.

Unit Types

Note: All LRR divisions are supported by the logistics corps, perhaps one of the most proficient units of the LRRA. Coupled with the engineers, they make up a little more than half of its combat strength. Within the support units umbrella, there is the engineers, logistics, and medical units.

Engineers are attached to combat units and are trained to support operations by that unit. They also have extensive training in the construction and operation of civilian infrastructure. About 1/4 of the LRRA's combat strength is engineer troops. Engineers have reasonable anti-tank capacity with Spike-ER missiles, a variety of anti-tank artillery pieces, and T-SEP carrier vehicles.

Infantry divisions are light, APC-based divisions which usually have tank destroyers and artillery as their main combat vehicles. The LRRA has 30 infantry divisions, which are at home in most any terrain, barring the jungle or flat desert.

Assault divisions are designed to operate in tank v.s. tank engagements, and are therefore equipped with large amounts of armored vehicles. They have limited deployment capability but are very good in open territory. All but four of the LRRA's 15 armored divisions are located west of the Urals, where the plains and steppes lend themselves to manouver warfare more than the forests and mountains of Siberia.

Amphibious brigades are like LRR marines. They are very mobile, and can be deployed to other countries quickly. Generally equipped with light tanks and IFVs, with a minimum of logistical vehicles, they are less capable than regular units, however.

But computer games are not very popular in LRR. What's more popular is the book Classic Guitar Technique, in which a player can learn the guitar styles of guitarists such as Jimi Hendrix, Pete Townshend, Jimmy Page, Eric Clapton, Mark Knopfler, George Harrison, Bob Dylan, and David Byrne.

Culture is big, RTS games are not.

Does LOTE sound like a good idea, for the imagined populations of NS?

NeoSuunist National Destiny

Lead the forces of the NeoSuunist Prosperity Sphere as they attempt to take their rightful territory from Myanmar, and perhaps beyond...

That wouldn't be including the invasion of China, would it? And how the how did you get Type 96 and Type 63A tanks?

But computer games are not very popular in LRR. What's more popular is the book Classic Guitar Technique, in which a player can learn the guitar styles of guitarists such as Jimi Hendrix, Pete Townshend, Jimmy Page, Eric Clapton, Mark Knopfler, George Harrison, Bob Dylan, and David Byrne.

Culture is big, RTS games are not.

So your people can't tell the difference between an assault rifle and a guitar? LOL!

It is my understanding that, in a computer simulation of a war situation, you never actually handle a weapon...rather you type in commands from the keyboard against an opponent handled by a somewhat unenthusiastic CPU.

When you're controlling faceless, mindlessly obedient units from a totally safe environment, its quite different from actually being in that combat situation.

And the fact that LRR isn't totally militant doesn't mean that the army can't provide defense in the event of an invasion. As I understand it, a guitar and an assault rifle are two very dissimilar objects, in form, function, and the training required to use one properly. Compared to an electric guitar, an assault rifle is actually quite simple to work.

I bet the Dra-poel government's pissed off at this just like the CCP being pissed off over C&C: Generals! Oh that's right, the Dra-poel have very few computers.

And the fact that LRR isn't totally militant doesn't mean that the army can't provide defense in the event of an invasion. As I understand it, a guitar and an assault rifle are two very dissimilar objects, in form, function, and the training required to use one properly. Compared to an electric guitar, an assault rifle is actually quite simple to work.

I don't play an insturment but I know that playing one would be more difficult than taking a rifle and killing a man.

Updated Sinoese Units List:

Guo Fu C5ISRAI (enhanced command experience)
DF-21/31/15/11/41 Ballistic Missiles
NF-7A multipurpose high speed missile
Type 96/98 MBTs
Type 85-IV light tanks
ZZL-1 HBTs
HMMWVs and FAVs
Type 63A ALTs
Z-10 helicopter gunships
Z-9 transport helicopters
WZ-551 series APC/IFV (wheeled)
Type 89 IFV/APC (tracked)
YW1000 IFV (tracked, 100mm ATGM + 30mm chaingun)
J-10, J-12, JH-15 fighters
J-5 suicide UAV
Heavy MLRS artillery
H-8 stealth bombers
H-7 medium bombers
Chiang Kai-shek class supercarriers
Ruthless infantrymen that laugh at the face of death
Marines
Airbornes
Spec-ops (Silent Thunders, Red Swords, Frogmen)
Snipers ("One shot, one kill. Sir!")
Suicide bombers ("For China!")
General Liu (technically not a unit but good for wacking a few separatists while on the battlefield)

That wouldn't be including the invasion of China, would it? And how the how did you get Type 96 and Type 63A tanks?

1) No, that wouldn't be the invasion of China; that would be the grabbing of strategic points to ensure certain things develop unhindered. It's just a game, not grounded in anything which may or may not be planned by the NeoSuunist government. Honestly.

OOC:

2) Marimaia has been using Chinese/Soviet designs since the day it was created; I initially started RP'ing with East Islandia because he was selling me Chinese and Chinese-based hardware. Those tanks were acquired a long time before this thread started. Is there a problem with another nation using RL Chinese designs? I'll rename them if you want.

OOC: Not a problem at all. Best if you keep the names of the originally Chinese systems just for the ease of understanding.

New from the secret Bonstocknian airbase at Nozomi Station, Bonstock:

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=361923

The JAS 42 Norrsken (Northern Lights)

Just FYI, this one might be of interest to Dra-pol, especially the T-62 upgrade:

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=361722

OOC: Hi. I'm on vacation, and so I will not be responsive in this until October 15th (Although I MIGHT be able to sign on while I'm on vacation for a breif time.) While I'm away, I'll give my foreign relations to Sino's minimal control so that I don't fade out of Diplomatic threads that I'm already involved in.

Also... I'm a bit scared by Marimaia's idea of Liberation of the Shan in Myanmar... Who knows how long it is before he starts preaching a United Tai state...

Furthermore, I find it interesting Sangun isn't included in that game...
*Mails copies of all his spy information on Sangunese weaponry to the creators of the game*

:)

I am also a little dismayed at not being included in the game.
What about a scenario like, Dra-pol attacks Hamhung, can QDP forces hold on until help arrives?
Or even, a multi-national coalition invasion of Dra-pol?
I mean, we keep a huge naval fleet in and around the region, as well as a massive defensive gound forces in Hamhung as well as the formidable Westgaard Line, though we do all of these with the understanding that they are only stop-gap measures, there are also multiple airbases and masive invaion forces ready to defend Hamhung or even ROK from Dra-pol incursion. Not to mention that we were the first ones to fight Dra-pol and in the end, it'll probably be one of us two that goes down swinging.
Now that I am over my little pout, can everyone TG me or post their land claims, and I will then compile and post a definative list for use in a new RP that I will be starting this week for our little group? Thanx a bunch, and I look forward to RPing with so many talented and experienced gamers.
As for Dra-pol, when I compliment your RPing ability and thank you for allowing me to be a part of this little world of your all the time, does it make it any harder to crucify the operatives you find in your nation?

WWJD
Amen.

The only problem I can imagine, Q Drapol, is that you would have to start using RL stats...and I must admit, I don't like the idea of puppet nations; no matter how good the RPer, they're splitting their time between two nations. (Where is Quinntonian supposed to be anyway?) RL stats for Hamhung would be...well, it couldn't be the unrealistic numbers we have now, with the NS generator...

I know this is odd...but there are other Christian invaders in the area. Across the Japan Sea, in Lyong, Tord has controlled a christian Kingdom for hundreds of years. I'm not sure if this could figure into diplomacy between the two nations though...as Tord is pretty powerless. Really powerless....I'm talking a couple of knights for a military...

Problem with what?
If you are asking if I am using the old numbers for QDP, I think that was pretty much settled by page ten or eleven of this thread.
As for Quinntonia, it is occupying, for the sake of the RP, the USA.
Quinntonian Dra-pol, my puppet, which I have been using for pretty much the entire Dra-poel conflict, (keeping in mind that I was on of the original two or three nations that made intitial contact with Dra-pol, and the only one still playing) controls Hamhung, and claims a population of 5-6 million, including miltary complement, as well as the Phillipines, with a population of 80 million.
As for splitting my time, QDP is my main RPing nation, I created it for the purposes of RPing with Dra-pol and the reason I don't just use Quinntonia, is that it is the Un delegate of my home region, The United Peoples of Abraham, and as such has non-RP responsibilities as well as having its tax scheme and civil rights, etc, completely screwed up by umpteen stupid resolutions from the UN.
OK, the list so far goes;
Dra-pol, N.Korea population of 40 million
LRR, Siberia population 30 million?
Hudecia, Canada population 30 million
and the rest are?
WWJD
Amen.

OK, the list so far goes;
Dra-pol, N.Korea population of 40 million
LRR, Siberia population 30 million?
Hudecia, Canada population 30 million
and the rest are?
WWJD
Amen.

Marimaia, (Thailand, Laos, Cambodia, Eastern Myanmar) population 95 million

Union of Burma, (rest of Myanmar, under Marimaian 'protection') population 42 million

I decided to take all of Russia, which would put my population at something like 140,000,000 people.

Spyr (majority of the Lyong Penninsula, Sea of Japan): 60 million.

I don't have any problem with people using puppets so long as they're responsible and stuff.
However, I am now starting to wonder about the Philippines as part of QDP... I don't know that it can really be justified. In the old manner, Hamhung had to evacuate millions of people that built up by the impractical NS growth system, and took them to mysterious uninhabited islands. Now though, those people never existed, which makes so so much more sense anyway. I'd understand the need if Hamhung was all that Quinntonia had, but since he's based in the US and as such may already be the largest nation involved, I don't see need, let alone justification for the Philippines being taken. Nor the method, for that matter.

I'm inclined to agree with Dra-pol on the matter of the phillipines... I'm not in any position to blather on about exact realism, so I may have a biased point of view here, but my impression was that the goal of this new paradigm was to bring massive population numbers (and the huge armies with advanced technologies that accompany them) down to more 'realistic' levels, and at the same time establish geographic distances and terrains so that people would know if things were in missile range/if they could fly, ship, or march in troops/how to establish a blockade/etc. I'm not sure if the goal would be the creation of 'political realism' as it exists today, with the United States as global superpower. As China has been divided into smaller chunks (which puts each individual Chinese nation more on-par with their fellows), the US population disparity with every other country in this 'new Asia' becomes even more marked. To combine the whole of the US, the Phillipines, and a Quinntonian Dra-pol with a population equal to 25% of the Drapoel total, seems rather excessive.

Would it not be more balanced to subdivide the US along a similar vein as China, to avoid creation of a single superpower in the region?

Well, in NS a lot of nations have the oportunity to boost their own economy beyond the level seen in reality in their parts of the world, so a lot of the US's edge is potentially written-off there. Of course, a Quinntonia as the whole US becomes one of the largest single nations involved, twice the size of LRR, three or four times Marimaia, and what, eight times the size of Dra-pol, but perhaps not far from some of the Chinese powers, and similar to Beth Gellert (BG having around 300 million people). I would suspect, though, that like BG, Quinntonia has more significant extra-regional commitments and concerns than do nations like Marimaia, Spyr, and Dra-pol, and as such the pressure BG and Q can bring to bear on Asia is limited by these concerns and by distance. Plus they may be seen as rather counter-balancing one another, as Q is fairly fanatically Christian and clearly anti-Drapoel-et-al, while BG is institutionally athistic and generally pro-Drapoel and by association likely in favour of the whole Shining Sphere.

That said, I'm inclined to believe that the anti-Philippines argument still stands for the RP-history reasons stated. The massive population that was involved in the exodus can't really have been said to have been so massive, and certainly not sufficient to take-over the Philippines. There's no harm in having a few NPC states remain in the short term, eh?

Now, if you'll excuse me, I have a LOVIATAR-L/S Battlefield/Shipboard Defence Surface to Air Missile System of which to complete specification :) Yay integrated multi-tier air-defence grid!

Agreed, I'll keep the US, and also kkep Hamhung at the population of 6 million, including military personle, but will drop the Phillipines, though I am assuming the USA protectorates in the region, like Guam, etc., they won't have a major influence except in that there might be military bases there, etc.
So, I will drop my total population by 80 million, if that is OK with everyone here?
Quinntonia-USA, 300 million
Quinntonian Dra-pol- Hamhung- 6 million
Hudecia-Canada-30 million
Spyr- Lyong Pen-60 million
LRR-Russia- 143 million(CIA Factbbok)
Marimaia-Thailand, Laos, Cambodia, Eastern Myanmar- 95 million
Union of Burma-rest of Myanmar, under Marimaian 'protection'-42 million
Dra-pol-N. Korea-40 million
Anyone else?

OOC-Q is fairly fanatically Christian
C'mon that is just not that nice. I know that I am running a theocracy, but fanatical? That just has so many negative connotations that go along with it. We are strong Christians but aren't going to like convert people at gun-point or anything. In fact, I think we have played a fairly good Christian nation so far, we are always the first to be on a scene with humanitarian aid, and we have probable had more soldiers die at Dra-poel hands than everyone else combined, and the entire war was about defending innocent civilains from Dra-poel oppression. OK, rant is now over.

Hmmm....

Anyway, as I've said several times, my country is fictional country that is "somewhere in Southeast Asia." I've suggested it might be precariously squeezed somewhere between/near Thailand and Myanmar, but it can be invaded by land from China (and has been at least thrice- once by the Chinese, then by the Mongols, then by the Japanese in WWII). I wouldn't try it, though, as most of my land boundaries are mountains, and the passes through them are heavily fortified (not to mention the fact that I am currently being invaded by the Reich, so I don't want to be bothered with yet another invasion RP right now.)

I'm not so sure about population stuff- I RP with my NS population (and I mainly RP in the NationStates forum), so I guess if you RP with me, you should do so with your NS pop (just for fairness reasons- if you're a 3+ billion country pretending to be a 45 million country, then it wouldn't be fair for me to be all OMG I HAVE BILLIONS OF PEOPLE AND U DONT LOL. That being said, I generally don't want to set a population cap on my country, so...)

Also, as for population size and geography, that's the main reason I don't give my country's geographic size- it can be as large (or as small) as I want it to be! :)

but will drop the Phillipines, though I am assuming the USA protectorates in the region, like Guam, etc., they won't have a major influence except in that there might be military bases there, etc.

I think that WA has Midway, Wake Island, and Guam, and Ruhr might have a claim to the Philippines (which I do not like).

OOC-Q is fairly fanatically Christian
C'mon that is just not that nice. I know that I am running a theocracy, but fanatical? That just has so many negative connotations that go along with it. We are strong Christians but aren't going to like convert people at gun-point or anything. In fact, I think we have played a fairly good Christian nation so far, we are always the first to be on a scene with humanitarian aid, and we have probable had more soldiers die at Dra-poel hands than everyone else combined, and the entire war was about defending innocent civilains from Dra-poel oppression. OK, rant is now over.

OOC: I know exactly how you feel.

Well, my concerns are pretty much satisfied, then... I was just worried with the thought of one power with 360 million population focussing itself into Asia. If we have two half-distracted 300-million-pop nations on either side of our roleplay world, things seem to balance out a bit more evenly. Yay!

As for Syskeyia... I think we're trying to work out the geographic locations of nations who are willing to integrate within a fixed-population RP universe. I'm not sure if nations who arent part of that will be included in the list of territorial posessions being compiled here, as it only really counts for RP according to this particular paradigm.

North Yaman- 15 million

Some other Lyong nations...Tagan at 10 million, Kaioken and Helekar <2 million...

Someone should ask Xiaguo, Sino, EI and others for their stats as well. Also, does anyone know if someone is working on the Asian map?

Quinntonia-USA, 300 million
Quinntonian Dra-pol- Hamhung- 6 million
Hudecia-Canada-30 million
Spyr- Lyong Pen-60 million
LRR-Russia- 143 million(CIA Factbbok)
Marimaia-Thailand, Laos, Cambodia, Eastern Myanmar- 95 million
Union of Burma-rest of Myanmar, under Marimaian 'protection'-42 million
Dra-pol-N. Korea-40 million
North Yaman-15 million
Anyone else?
Where geographically is Beth Gellert? And Bonstock, and Taiwan, and Sino and Xiago, etc. I have places without poulations, populations without places, etc. Let's get things codified so that we can get things going.


BTW, is anyone going to be taking control of the S. Korean government for the purposes of this RP? Most other nations can be assumed to be nuetral, but that particular one has 40 million Dra-poel screaming for its blood.

Are the other nations bordering Yaman going to be active? And if not, will they be offended by say, Dra-poel or LRR or Quinntonian soldiers traipsing across their nations? Not that any of us would be planning to do anything like that, but RPs can get pretty chaotic.
WWJD
Amen.

[Other nations in Lyong... besides myself and North Yaman, the only other nation that will likely be involved in active RP is Tord, a christian-esque nation... the others can, I think, be discounted for purposes of this RP world, and I should have a rectified Lyong map reflecting such up eventually.
Tord should have a population of around 20 million, i think...

Just a note:

I have noticed that a lot of people consider LRR as a predominately white nation.

It really isn't...well, not white christian anyway. There's a lot of Indians, Vietnamese, Central Asians, and quite a few Inuits as well. The majority of the white population is Jewish.

But yeah...I guess my biggest trade relations would be with the Lyong penninsula and Xiaguo, and european countries especially whoever has Finland...

And the best thing about it is that whoever tries to invade me has to cross thousands of miles of nothing before they get anywhere.

In, "my other reality" Beth Gellert (well, Beddgelert) is situated in Finland (briefly dominating an authoritarian socialist empire that more or less dominated the Baltic, but recently getting one of those...moral...code...thingis and giving it all up), but that's of absolutely no concern, here, I just thought I'd mention it, because I only woke up about five minutes ago and don't know what I'm doing, apparently.

[yawns]

Erm, Beth Gellert is situated on the continent of New Tiamat, which lies in the southern Indian Ocean. BG is on the southwest corner of the large continent, across a wide strait from Madagascar. It borders mostly semi-active nations that really aren't likely to get involved here, and which have lately become reasonably friendly with BG, anyway.

The map's not much use, as it isn't large enough to show real-life locations too, and it's rather out of date owing to a huge influx of none-role-playing or semi-active nations (I can't really figure out who to put on the map and so forth... I was going to leave, but I seem to be somehow attached to my little region. Maybe I should think about the new place some of you are at), but just for the sake of it, here it is (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v148/Chivtv/NS1/ntcontinent.jpg)

Quinntonia-USA, 300 million
Quinntonian Dra-pol- Hamhung- 6 million
Hudecia-Canada-30 million
Spyr- Lyong Pen-60 million
LRR-Russia- 143 million(CIA Factbbok)
Marimaia-Thailand, Laos, Cambodia, Eastern Myanmar- 95 million
Union of Burma-rest of Myanmar, under Marimaian 'protection'-42 million
Dra-pol-N. Korea-40 million
North Yaman-15 million
?Tord?- 20 million (Could Tord post here is he/she intends to be involved?)
Beth Gellert-300 million could we get more of an idea of where this is in relation to RL, or even for the purposes of this RP, you could claim a RL nation for use in this RP group. Whatever you decide, I just prefer to know where you are.
Anyone else?

WWJD
Amen.

"Beth Gellert is situated on the continent of New Tiamat, which lies in the southern Indian Ocean. BG is on the southwest corner of the large continent, across a wide strait from Madagascar."

Still more specifically, it is roughly at 20 degrees south, 70 degrees east, if I've drunkenly got that the right way around. I have thought about leaving for a real life location, perhaps the Baltic as is the case in my 'other' reality, but lots of little elements of Beddgelen dialect are related to things only found in the Indian Ocean, so I don't know. Heh, maybe I could move to Madagascar or Australia... hrm.

I think that actually I'm playing more like 34 million rather than 40 million as Dra-pol's population, given war dead, famine dead, defections to QDP, the original southern ROK population, and evacuations and ah, death marches... :)

evil, plain evil. Wow, I am very populated.

OOC: sorry I haven't been round much this week- I've caught some horrible bug or something and am feeling like all the tanks of Sino and dra-Pol have been rolling over my corpse :(

For the records, Sangun is of course in Vietnam and our population is some 82 million (exact details, as always, on our website)

I'll be back around when I'm feeling alive again (Marimaia: sorry for the continued delay ...)

evil, plain evil. Wow, I am very populated.

Whaaaa??????

*confusion*

OOC: Feel better soon Sangun, I can wait as long as it takes.

BTW, I'd just like to say that I hadn't even thought about a united Tai state until Chuang-Han mentioned it. Thing is, such an ambition runs into a stumbling block called the Four Chinas; even though it would be one or two provinces I'd be after, they'd fight as if I was after the whole thing. So no, there won't be military conflict anytime soon.

Quinntonia-USA, 300 million
Quinntonian Dra-pol- Hamhung- 6 million
Hudecia-Canada-30 million
Spyr- Lyong Pen-60 million
LRR-Russia- 143 million(CIA Factbbok)
Marimaia-Thailand, Laos, Cambodia, Eastern Myanmar- 95 million
Union of Burma-rest of Myanmar, under Marimaian 'protection'-42 million
Dra-pol-N. Korea-34 million
North Yaman-15 million
Sangun-Vietnam-82 million
?Tord?- 20 million (Could Tord post here is he/she intends to be involved?)
Beth Gellert-300 million (southern Indian Ocean, across from Madagascar, or perhaps Australia?) I personally vote Madagascar. But that is just me.
Xiagu, Sino, you both have about 500 million and claim the southern and northern parts of China, right?
How about Taiwan, I am assuming that they are taking real Taiwan (Duh) but hwta is the population?
Anyone else?
WWJD
Amen.

Currently, CHina has about
1,298,847,624 (July 2004 est.)


However, due to our size, Xiaguo would have about 700 million, Sino about 600 million, and Chuang-Han CHina, being a a part of China in the South should have about 57 million.

Xiaguo currently has Mongolia, so if anyone wants it, they should get around 3 million.

SO far,

Quinntonia - USA, 300 million
Quinntonian Dra-pol - Hamhung- 6 million
Hudecia - Canada-30 million
Spyr - Lyong Pen-60 million
LRR-Russia - 143 million(CIA Factbbok)
Marimaia - Thailand, Laos, Cambodia, Eastern Myanmar- 95 million
Union of Burma-rest of Myanmar, under Marimaian 'protection'-42 million
Dra-pol-N. Korea - 34 million
North Yaman - 15 million
Sangun-Vietnam - 82 million
Beth Gellert - 300 million (southern Indian Ocean, across from Madagascar, or perhaps Australia?)
Xiaguo - 700 million (Northern China, Mongolia, Xinjiang)
Sino - 600 million (Southern China)
Chuang-Han - 48 million
Taiwan - 28 million

Maybe Mongolia should start neutral, as the Phillipines (assuming no one new arrives to adopt them)?

Could lead to interesting RP as LRR and Xiaguo seek to insure their security through a friendly regime in Ulan Bator, while SSRC revolutionaries whisper quietly to young radicals behind the scenes ^_^.

Quinntonia - USA, 300 million
Quinntonian Dra-pol - Hamhung- 6 million
Hudecia - Canada-30 million
Spyr - Lyong Pen-60 million
LRR-Russia - 143 million(CIA Factbbok)
Marimaia - Thailand, Laos, Cambodia, Eastern Myanmar- 95 million
Union of Burma-rest of Myanmar, under Marimaian 'protection'-42 million
Dra-pol-N. Korea - 34 million
North Yaman - 15 million
Sangun-Vietnam - 82 million
Beth Gellert - 300 million (southern Indian Ocean, across from Madagascar, or perhaps Australia?)
Xiaguo - 700 million (Northern China, Mongolia, Xinjiang)
Sino - 600 million (Southern China)
Chuang-Han - 48 million
Taiwan - 28 million
So, does this mean that both Japan and the Phillipines are going to be nuetral until someone shows up to claim them? And what about S. Korea?
WWJD
Amen.

Maybe Mongolia should start neutral, as the Phillipines (assuming no one new arrives to adopt them)?

Could lead to interesting RP as LRR and Xiaguo seek to insure their security through a friendly regime in Ulan Bator, while SSRC revolutionaries whisper quietly to young radicals behind the scenes ^_^.

Sounds quite good. Mongolia is only a pop across the border, and a little nation building never hurt nobody...

After all, its in the way that you use it.

As I've said many times before... I'll RP the position of S. Korea as well as Canada. Although LRR is more than welcome to have input on the governance of S. Korea as well.

The only way we can resolve the Korean crisis is to have the regime of Dra-pol completely removed.

(OOC: Just posting to check my new signature.)

So, does this mean that both Japan and the Phillipines are going to be nuetral until someone shows up to claim them? And what about S. Korea?
WWJD
Amen.

OOC 1: Best if they are claimed by more 'genuine' RP'ers. E.g. In the latest troubles over Japan (which Xiaguo, Sino and _Taiwan) are involved with, neither The Japanese People nor the Japanese States are Japs themselves and have limited knowledge of the culture.

OOC 2: Why not have "WWJD, Amen" as your signature, so ya don't have to type it up repeatedly so many times?

Just checking in.
I'm quite distracted by, ugh, real-life concerns at the moment, but this seems to be taking shape reasonably well, and I am fiddling about with a few future RPs from Dra-pol in the meantime.

So, heh, I'm outnumbered a mere twenty to one by my principle northern neighbour? Cool :)
What about, ah, Hokurin? I got a bit confused... is that to be at the eastern end of my northern border, between the CPRD and LRR?

(And regime change has been tried before, comrade Sino. The Crusader Coalition wanted to end Kurosite rule, and even managed to assassinate the Director... and though there was an ill fated Suloist coup, Dra-pol never accepted new masters, and even its own coup ended in failure and the return of Kurosite Progress. And the Kurosites would tell you to look to the alternatives. The ROK, unable thanks to all these silly elections to stick to a course, grows weaker and leans on foreigners, even none-Asians, while the CPRD remains firm and loses no sight of its aims. That is stability! That is what may resolve a crisis created by foreigners!)

OOC 1: Best if they are claimed by more 'genuine' RP'ers. E.g. In the latest troubles over Japan (which Xiaguo, Sino and _Taiwan) are involved with, neither The Japanese People nor the Japanese States are Japs themselves and have limited knowledge of the culture.

While I'm always worried when Sino has anything to do with Japan (as the Sinoese perspective on the nihonjin seems to be that they are all subhuman monsters who need a good vengeful thrashing), this is an important point. I think the majority of nations here (3 of the 4 Chinas, at least) acknowledge the Chinese theatre of the Pacific War in its full horror as part of their RP histories. Even if Quinntonia replaces the US and we suspend some of modern history in terms of the American-Japanese island war, we need to find an RPer who accepts the Sino-Japanese aspects of that war, or they wont integrate easily into the RP world: we'll end up with Sino launching biochemicals at Tokyo and ranting about the brutality of Japanese imperialism in China, while the poor Japan RPer stammers about not being involved in any conflict due Japans pacifist nature following the the Great Buddhist-Democratic Reformation of 1692.

Its a shame about the loss of Tokarev for that very reason... anyone have any ideas as to how we might find a good, knowledgeable RPer for Japan... or how we can create a roleplay environment where that particular historical knowledge is not needed?

This is just a suggestion, but I would be happy to RP as Japan (either permanently or temporarily). Now I realise this goes against Sino's comments on the subject (I doubt anyone would be surprised to learn that I'm European ;)), but I am keenly interested in Japanese culture (counting NS and RL RPG groups, I've been RPing in Japanese or pseudo-Japanese environments for the last five years...) and history (hell, I am a professional historian!)...urgh. I hate selling myself ;)

As to the question of integrating Japan into this RP...well for one thing I wouldn't mess with existing history (too complicated for a start). Basically I am talking about a regime change in Japan, which would fit with my current leadership (O&I's leaders were exiled to the Izu Islands years ago for subversive behaviour)...now with hostile Chinese forces breathing down the neck of the pacifist, defeatist Tokyo regime, I would think it is high time to replace that tottering government with a more effective one (i.e. mine...)

And finally, to reassure everyone: I don't do genocide or population expulsions, and in fact I generally prefer co-operation to conflict (though I'm not above intervention)

As to Hokurin, well to be honest the new state just never really 'clicked' with me- just one of those things I guess...

Well that's my little sell anyway.

We actually, or I want a rather nationalistic Japan that can stand up to us, not a japan that just acts tough. Tokarev was a great example, and I bet we all miss his rp skills.

What happened to Tokarev?

Actually, both Japanese People and Japanese states were Japanese. I have no objections to O&I rping Japan... I used to live there myself, but I already have Canada. So if O&I needs a hand or some ideas about RPing.. I might be able to help some.

Just FYI, this one might be of interest to Dra-pol, especially the T-62 upgrade:

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=361722

Upgrading old 50-year-old tanks is like gearing up and training up 80-year-old veterans for war again. Trying to save some tanks on their last legs would be typical of 3rd World economies.

It is sad that LRR is geographically Russia but it has neither the military technology, doctrine nor strength to resemble it. The liberalism there is also a shame (more fitting for Hitler's views on Slavs being subhuman).

Quinntonia - USA, 300 million
Quinntonian Dra-pol - Hamhung- 6 million


You're really breakin' my balls here. The reason why the China dilemma exists is because of America's involvement in Taiwan, which resulted in China's disintegration. So, our views towards the Americans/Quinntonians would be bitter and stale.

Unless, of course the war has brought some form of socio-economic upheaval in America which led to Quinntonia and the highly desecularized society (contrasting to Sino's religion ignoring policies). Even that would not help as old hatreds and prejudices remain.

It would be appreciated that if Quinntonia gives up it's support for Taiwanese separatism (already in its twilight with Gen. Zhang's rise to power in the R.O.C.) in return for our mutual aim of destroying Dra-pol.

O&I's proposal sounds quite reasonable to me (though he'll have a job convincing the Drapoel that Japan shouldn't be nuked following final re-unification in Korea :) ).

Thats the dillema of ANYONE playing Japan in this environment. everybody else in Asia is just begging for an excuse to crush them.

Which gives them either a hide-under-the-table mentality or a very short lifetime...

We actually, or I want a rather nationalistic Japan that can stand up to us, not a japan that just acts tough. Tokarev was a great example, and I bet we all miss his rp skills.

Well I can't promise to live up to Tokarev on at least two counts (experience and his ability to play a 'nationalistic Japan') and probably others as well...

One thing I should make clear from the outset: the O&I leadership may be outwardly Japanese, but they are also VERY different from previous modern regimes- so ideas such as 'nationalism' hold little currency. O&I is very nationalistic, it's just not standard Japanese nationalism.

Basically, the O&I leadership (known as the Teike) consider themselves to be distinct from the 'Yamato people' who they dismissively refer to as the 'mainlanders'. Some of the more prominent distinctions include:

Language: The Teike dislike the 'educated' speech of Tokyo, preferring instead the incomprehensible dialect of their island homeland.
Religion: O&I traditionally follows Shugendo, an ascetic sect actually proscribed by the Meiji regime in 1873 as part of an effort to re-impose the dominance of Shinto on public life.
Government: The Teike dispise both today's Seifu and the early twentieth century Meiji regime propped up by the lackeys of Satsuma and Choshu; most shockingly of all they hold no regard for the Yamato Sun Line, believing it to be a weak and tired lineage.

O&I was initially created to be the 'night' to Japan's 'day'; this was most dramatically expressed in an earlier pattern flag: the Hinomaru is instead replaced by a narrow white ring on a black background, radiating sixteen beams of white light- the design symbolises the eclipse of the Sun of the Yamato.

***

Dra-pol: It will take more than nuclear weapons to deflect O&I...after all, Korea is one of only two countries outside Japan to hold particular significance for the Teike...;)

Upgrading old 50-year-old tanks is like gearing up and training up 80-year-old veterans for war again. Trying to save some tanks on their last legs would be typical of 3rd World economies.

It is sad that LRR is geographically Russia but it has neither the military technology, doctrine nor strength to resemble it. The liberalism there is also a shame (more fitting for Hitler's views on Slavs being subhuman).

*Points to 12km-range ATGMs, T-SEP APCs & variants, expert engineers, expert medical staff, well-dispersed airforce, RBS-15F and SSC-5 missiles, and Pzh-2000 howitzer*

And if you look above the T-62 upgrade, you'll see the MBT-9, a new and effective tank.

Perhaps lines of tanks as far as the eye can see might be relevant for sino military doctrine, but anti-tank and artillery systems take precedence in LRR. Tanks would have a very tough time in eastern Siberia, crossing the mountains and in the forests. Most of the LRRA's good tanks (MBT-9, ST-21, T-72 modifications, T-64 modifications) are based in the flatter areas, where there isn't so much of a terrain advantage for anti-tank troops, and tank support is needed.

And Sino, is there something subhuman about providing for the population, allowing people to speak their minds, tolerating different religions and opininons, and not spending the entire budget on a huge army?

Actually, both Japanese People and Japanese states were Japanese. I have no objections to O&I rping Japan... I used to live there myself, but I already have Canada. So if O&I needs a hand or some ideas about RPing.. I might be able to help some.

Almost forgot: Any suggestions would be much appreciated Hudecia...

I'd like to make a population correction!


The three provinces I own combined population is exactly (in real life) 95,640,000.


No, I'm not back from vacation yet, just quickly checking in on things.

What happened to Torakev (SP)?

It is sad that LRR is geographically Russia but it has neither the military technology, doctrine nor strength to resemble it. The liberalism there is also a shame (more fitting for Hitler's views on Slavs being subhuman).

*whacks Sino*

On another note:
Sino military budget: $8.021 trillion
Syskeyian military budget: $19.257 trillion :P

As I've said many times before... I'll RP the position of S. Korea as well as Canada. Although LRR is more than welcome to have input on the governance of S. Korea as well.
Quinntonia - USA, 300 million
Quinntonian Dra-pol - Hamhung- 6 million
Hudecia - Canada-30 million
Spyr - Lyong Pen-60 million
LRR-Russia - 143 million(CIA Factbbok)
Marimaia - Thailand, Laos, Cambodia, Eastern Myanmar- 95 million
Union of Burma-rest of Myanmar, under Marimaian 'protection'-42 million
Dra-pol-N. Korea - 34 million
North Yaman - 15 million
Sangun-Vietnam - 82 million
Beth Gellert - 300 million (southern Indian Ocean, across from Madagascar, or perhaps Australia?)
Xiaguo - 700 million (Northern China, Mongolia, Xinjiang)
Sino - 600 million (Southern China)
Chuang-Han - 98 million
Taiwan - 28 million
S. Korea-Hudecia and LRR.
I would also like some say in the governance of S. Korea as they are hugely strategically valuable towards us, and we would take a vested interest in pretty much anything that goes on there.
What does everyone think about the Japan situation?
WWJD
Amen.

One (important) thing as regards Japan:

How does Japanese People's little scenario (did I say scenario, I meant fiasco...) fit in to things?

I am not about to RP a Chinese vassal...

I don't think it really does...at least not with the MW asia. In the greater, regular NS scheme of things, probably does, but not in this particular RP sphere.

After all, I think Sino, Taiwan et. co. are just cutting loose. I tried to, but I was left in the dust when he excluded a bunch of people.

Yeah, I believe this only applies to rp's that include us, who are from this geography disscussion. We were bored and so we went out of the house for some fun, it does not change anything we talked here, just outside.

Besides, Xiaguo now controlls Honshu and Hokkaido. I can tell the RPer of the Japanese People's needs to take Japanese culture and Geography classes before rping. He's coming up with weird names, so is Japanese States, but at least he/she has reason. I think he thought the Ryukyus were part of Mainland Japan, and he is not showing what the culture and heritage the Japanese have. That's why i miss Tokarev..

You're really breakin' my balls here. The reason why the China dilemma exists is because of America's involvement in Taiwan, which resulted in China's disintegration. So, our views towards the Americans/Quinntonians would be bitter and stale.

Unless, of course the war has brought some form of socio-economic upheaval in America which led to Quinntonia and the highly desecularized society (contrasting to Sino's religion ignoring policies). Even that would not help as old hatreds and prejudices remain.

It would be appreciated that if Quinntonia gives up it's support for Taiwanese separatism (already in its twilight with Gen. Zhang's rise to power in the R.O.C.) in return for our mutual aim of destroying Dra-pol.

I am sorry, but I don't understand what you are saying here? Is the fact that I am the USA a problem, or is it my population? Or are you trying to figure out WWII history given that the USA as you know it doesn't exist.
As for history, I am willing to take on the historical role of the USA in these conflicts, just assume a more morality based slant.
As for the idea that Quinntonia is supporting Taiwanese independance, with the understanding that in RL, it is the US Navy that sits between the RL China and Taiwan, I have not decided if I will take up that role. But for historical purposes, I can say that up to this piont I have been, for a variety of reasons. (?)
If we must have a reason why the USA went to a Theocratic system, just assume that it always was. The Puritans and other deeply devout people that were colonising the area wrote into the Constitution that "government would not and could not stand without God to guide and protect His people, and with that understanding, the leadership of His nation shall be handed over unto Him." Soon after that, we were forced to rebel when the British would not recognise the right of the various churches to advise the State in matters of Policy, including the veto power that the Council of Bishops has. The King ordered us to dissolve the government, we refused, war broke out and we won. Civil War happened as normal, War of 1812 never happened. We have always reached out in friendship to our Hudecian nieghbours. The Mexican War and the Indian Wars still happened, but were far less bloody, with treaties being signed on both side of the Indian conflict, and Quinntonia emerging witha reputation for being extremely fair to the Native Americans. As for the Mexican War, I guess it was pretty much the same as before, but less unessacary bloodshed. WWI happened much as before, but with Quinntonia having a much earlier part in it. Oh, I guess the opening of Japan to foriegn trade under Commadore Perry happened, except we were more concerned about opeing them up to missionaries. And WWII, We so much wanted to stand back and just offer humanitarian aid, but the Pearl Harbout attack pulled us in and we defended China from Imperial Japanese aggression, however, I am doubting that LRR and us had a Cold War. Though my nation is shocked at their lax morality.
A new USA history in a nutshell, I am totally not taking responsibility for Vietnam, as there was no Cold War, and we have no interest in Iraq, except that business of defending Kuwait years ago, after which we pulled out. After all, Alberta, Canada {Hudecia} has oil deposits that make Kuwait look like a driveway oil slick.
How is that for slapped together?
WWJD
Amen.

Sorry about the double post.


Quinntonia - USA, 300 million
Quinntonian Dra-pol - Hamhung- 6 million
Hudecia - Canada-30 million
Spyr - Lyong Pen-60 million
LRR-Russia - 143 million(CIA Factbbok)
Marimaia - Thailand, Laos, Cambodia, Eastern Myanmar- 95 million
Union of Burma-rest of Myanmar, under Marimaian 'protection'-42 million
Dra-pol-N. Korea - 34 million
North Yaman - 15 million
Sangun-Vietnam - 82 million
Beth Gellert - 300 million (southern Indian Ocean, across from Madagascar, or perhaps Madagascar?)
Xiaguo - 700 million (Northern China, Mongolia, Xinjiang)
Sino - 600 million (Southern China)
Chuang-Han - 98 million
Taiwan - 28 million
S. Korea-Hudecia and LRR.
I would also like some say in the governance of S. Korea as they are hugely strategically valuable towards us, and we would take a vested interest in pretty much anything that goes on there.
What does everyone think about the Japan situation, I support O & I in taking it over.
WE just need confirmation on Taiwan, Tord, O&I, and Beth Gellert. Once we have that, we are ready to go.

BTW, where on the map is Chuang-Han? And, is anyone up for tossing together a map when we are done?
WWJD
Amen.

I would like to have O&I take over. He seems pretty good.

Tokarev has had some problems with his life (got laid off), so he will be unavailable for a while, perhaps indefinately.

I guess that the entire bit about Xiaguo and Japanese people will have to have never occured.. since Japanese Islands was always our Japan, and not Japanese people.

Outside our little RP world anything goes... but in here.. well.. I guess we should abide by certain rules.

One (important) thing as regards Japan:

How does Japanese People's little scenario (did I say scenario, I meant fiasco...) fit in to things?

I am not about to RP a Chinese vassal...

It is a goddamn fiasco. Neither of the Japans knew much about Japanese culture or thinking, let alone know how to fight or govern effectively.

BTW, where on the map is Chuang-Han? And, is anyone up for tossing together a map when we are done?
WWJD
Amen.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v25/Littleredboi/NSCHINA3.jpg

And yes, we do understand, but it is best to work together to deal with Dra-pol. the enemy of my enemy is my friend (we think like the enemy and do things the American way).

Our nation occupies SE Asia and a small part of SE China---(starts to shake)

*whacks Sino*

On another note:
Sino military budget: $8.021 trillion
Syskeyian military budget: $19.257 trillion :P

It's not how much money you spend but how well you spend it. E.g. Equal in price for a few grenades, Syskeyians prefer the issuing of full-sized, leather bound and rose scented Bibles with the dimensions of a cinder block. Instead of buying a few more AAMs in stock, they prefer to hire a few bishops to bless their aircraft with firetrucks full of holy water.

An 80% tax rate, is that just the tithes alone?

It's not how much money you spend but how well you spend it. E.g. Equal in price for a few grenades, Syskeyian prefer the issuing of full-sized Bibles the dimensions of a cinder block.


True, but i would like to get involved in these discussions for our confirmed recognition that Wulaishen occupies SE Asia, I just dont want to fight over it-

Looks like the party has just begun:

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=361739&page=13&pp=15

http://english.peopledaily.com.cn/200401/15/images/pilot2.jpg

True, but i would like to get involved in these discussions for our confirmed recognition that Wulaishen occupies SE Asia, I just dont want to fight over it-

If by SE Asia you mean the area including:

Thailand, Laos, Cambodia, Myanmar and Vietnam

The first three comprise Marimaia, the fourth is currently occupied by Marimaia and the fifth is Sangun.

If, however, you mean Indonesia and Malaysia, you'll have to speak to Bonstock as there was talk of him being down there (unless that's changed).

The Philippines are free as far as I know.

First, thanks for the support over the Japan issue. As to Tokarev, if he returns I'd be happy to work something out in order to get him back in the group...the last thing I want to do is steal the niche of a guy in the middle of RL troubles...

Besides, Xiaguo now controlls Honshu and Hokkaido. I can tell the RPer of the Japanese People's needs to take Japanese culture and Geography classes before rping. He's coming up with weird names, so is Japanese States, but at least he/she has reason. I think he thought the Ryukyus were part of Mainland Japan, and he is not showing what the culture and heritage the Japanese have. That's why i miss Tokarev..

Unfortunately that seems to be a widespread problem in NS...personally my attitude (not wanting to sound like a tyrant) is if you want to play with RL territory, at least make a brief effort to know the basic geography. Sure there will be many things you don't know if you've never been there, but a glance at a map can at least fix a broad idea of where things are in your mind. If you aren't prepared to do that, then I'd stick to 100% made up places.

A quick point: do we have a title tag (like Asia Group RP) to indicate that our threads are semi-closed (or at least are not taking place on one of the many RL worlds)?

If we don't, it seems to me it might be a good idea, else it's only a matter of time before some nut throws a hissy fit because he thinks we're taking over territory 'claimed' on someone's RL thread...

I only ask because the moment I start posting as 'Japan' I just know there's going to be trouble, unless I can put some sort of disclaimer at the top.

I propose that we call it, "Drapolia"! Or, better yet, "Dra-pol Tomorrow" :D

Ahem, excuse me, I'm using all of my NS-related brainpower for other Word-based things just now.

Wrong Map Sino...

Xiaguo
Sino
Taiwan
Chuang-Han

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v39/YourNickname/ChinaMap.png

And here's a nice one of the Tai peoples of southeast Asia which I map some time ago. (Marimaia's border has changed though, and I spelled Marimaia wrong.)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v39/YourNickname/Tai.png

Sorry 'bout that. I couldn't find the right one.

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=363807

A little something you all should probably know about.

Some light relief from such tense discussions:

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=364275

LOL

Ooh, la de da! Re-organised navy (is there a Euoprean theatre of deployment drawing away LRR vessels?) and a celebrity look-alike contest! Pah! [shells Japan and hopes to go un-noticed in re-deploying thousands of combat troops] http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=363908

If by SE Asia you mean the area including:

Thailand, Laos, Cambodia, Myanmar and Vietnam

The first three comprise Wulaishen, the fourth is currently Wulaishen and the fifth is Wulaishen

If, however, you mean Indonesia and Malaysia, you'll have to speak to Wulaishen as there was talk of him being down there (unless that's changed).

The Philippines are free as far as I know.
MY VIETNAM,I WILL FIGHT OVER IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

MY VIETNAM,I WILL FIGHT OVER IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

OOC:

Wow...

Aren't you so clever for editing my words?

Now, try reading what I said again, because Marimaia doesn't own Vietnam. You want to challenge Sangun for Vietnam, not me. Although I don't know why you need recognition from us for your claims; a nation called Kanabia (I think it's Kanabia) has also claimed the whole of SE Asia in a different thread.

However, because I don't RP with Kanabia, it's no skin off my nose. Why not go to him and make your demands? Alternatively, you can rule SE Asia in your own RPs; that way everyone's happy. Of course, if you really want me to accept your challenge to a military conflict over the right to hold the area for the purposes of this RP group, I'll just get the Shining Sphere of Revolutionary Co-Prosperity to back me up (as you said I can bring anyone I want to), and we'll go from there.

EDIT: I just re-read your earlier comments, and you said that you didn't want to fight over anything. Why the sudden change of heart?

Ooh, la de da! Re-organised navy (is there a Euoprean theatre of deployment drawing away LRR vessels?) and a celebrity look-alike contest! Pah! [shells Japan and hopes to go un-noticed in re-deploying thousands of combat troops] http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=363908

Well, in Europe I've got the bulk of my divisions, but there's a significant force east of the Urals, and with the Trans-siberian railway and several auxiliary lines, units can be shipped from the European sector to Asia within a week's time.

In the baltic I've got five Spanish Castle Magic class corvettes, 25 Howlin' Wolf class corvettes (modified Grisha), mabye 50 Buddy Guy hydrofoil missile boats (because it isn't as rough as the sea of Okhotsk or Barents sea), and five or six U-212 attack subs.

In the Barents, I've got mabye 50 Son House multirole fast patrol vessels, ten U-212 attack subs, and perhaps six Spanish Castle Magic patrol corvettes, five or six frigates of the Broadsword variety.

In the Sea of Okhotsk, I've got 70 Son Houses, ten U-212s, nine Spanish Castle Magic corvettes, and the entire overseas task group and amohibious task group.

I'd say that my navy strength is pretty even throughout.

I am fully willing to recognise O&I, if you accept I will add you to the list.
Sino & Co, you have amazing maps, would you guys be willing to make up an expanded versionof the map you guys have that would include the entire region?
Still waiting on confrimation fromtaiwan, Bonstock and Tord.
WWJD
Amen.

I am fully willing to recognise O&I, if you accept I will add you to the list.
Sino & Co, you have amazing maps, would you guys be willing to make up an expanded versionof the map you guys have that would include the entire region?
Still waiting on confrimation fromtaiwan, Bonstock and Tord.
WWJD
Amen.

The credit goes to Xiaguo, he's our map maker. Sino, C.H. and _Taiwan just submit them ideas and he's got all that spare time in the world to make 'em happen.

(Why did I just sounded like a U.S. Southerner, in that previous paragraph?)

Ok to O&I owning Japan. Congrats to the owner of the brand new island.

Goddammit! Them TJP are at it again:

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=364432

Looks like the mercury's rising with the Sun.

Ok to O&I owning Japan. Congrats to the owner of the brand new island.

Thanks all!

For the record, my sources put the population of Japan at 127 million, so that is what I shall use...

Right, that means I must recalculate my armed forces etc, and since it is the 11 October I feel I should make some sort of commemorative post...hmm I still have a few hours to think of something!

I guess since Japan is under new leadership, I might as well ask the question.

What is O&I's position on the Korean crisis? (Drapol vs. South Korea, Hudecia, LRR, Quintonnia...)

I have finally found russian military numbers!

And so, I shall apply it, over the next few posts, to my own forces.

First of all, the army:

8,700 T-72 family tanks

Yes, I created that map. If you guys wish, I can make maps of everyone. Let me create one first, and then I'll let you guys revise it so I can have the map fit your rp's. BTW, I don't have too much time Sino, that was during the summer.

Yes, I created that map. If you guys wish, I can make maps of everyone. Let me create one first, and then I'll let you guys revise it so I can have the map fit your rp's. BTW, I don't have too much time Sino, that was during the summer.
PLEASE DO! That map was of exquisite quality, and I would be honored if you would do up the official map , everyone seems to have checked in except Bonstock, once he does that, we could do it up.
WWJD
Amen.

I guess since Japan is under new leadership, I might as well ask the question.

What is O&I's position on the Korean crisis? (Drapol vs. South Korea, Hudecia, LRR, Quintonnia...)

A good question, and one that deserves a very labyrinthine answer!

1. On the most basic level, the Ringist Shogunate feels that certain hostile comments made by Dra-pol towards the Japanese archipelago demonstrate that nation's warmongering tendencies, and consequently it is the belief of the Rinfu that until Dra-pol demonstrates greater levels of stability in international conduct it should not be allowed to control the entire Korean peninsula.

2. On a deeper level, the Rinfu quite likes a healthy degree of disunity amongst our competitors...did I say competitors, I meant neighbours of course ;)

3. Finally, at the deepest levels of repressed collective consciousness, the Rinfu may even harbour more sinister designs on Korean territory...

Position 1 is the official stance of the regime, position 2 is never admitted but intelligent anaylists coudl probably deduce it as a basic principle. Position 3 would only be known to individuals familiar with the Ringist movement (and there aren't that many of them outside of O&I and its dependencies)

Yeah... I kinda guess that would be your response.. likely, if the 'shit hits the fan' so to speak, we'll ask for O&I's aid, but only in air and naval sense. But if we get desperate enough... I think it'd be in all our interests to get you involved.

...except Bonstock, once he does that, we could do it...

Huh? What? Oh! Yeah.

Anyway, I think I was given Indonesia, Singapore, and Malaysia in this. Not sure who has Brunei, but someone must. Or I'll take it anyway.

So that's roughly 150 million people, if I know my populations.

Huh? What? Oh! Yeah.

Anyway, I think I was given Indonesia, Singapore, and Malaysia in this. Not sure who has Brunei, but someone must. Or I'll take it anyway.

So that's roughly 150 million people, if I know my populations.

Hoo....

You just fouled up part of the Marimaian annexation of eastern Myanmar, and you're on Marimaia's southern border. Should be fun.

To Marimaia- I would, as a matter of fact like to challenge you for the purposes of this RP Group

Yeah... I kinda guess that would be your response.. likely, if the 'shit hits the fan' so to speak, we'll ask for O&I's aid, but only in air and naval sense. But if we get desperate enough... I think it'd be in all our interests to get you involved.

Hmm, O&I has never really been known for its navy, much less its air force...in fact the best known (read: most notorious) branch of the military are the so-called 'cult divisions'.

Still, we are ready to wait and see how things progress

Can someone send me a telegram to tell me how to get to a websute to tell me how to get info about my nation.

For Asia and Oceania, the countries available are, according to my map and the agreements,

Phillipines, India+Ceylon, Japan, Australia, New Zealand, Mongolia*


I am currently claiming Mongolia, but will likely give it up to someone else, I warn you however, that Mongolia's population is not all that big.

I recomend Wulaishen to take Mongolia or Phillipines. if You take Mongolia, I will give you Xinjiang, too.

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=364959

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v25/Littleredboi/worldmapnsphotobuk.jpg
World Map Nationstates RP

- http://cgibin.rcn.com/mwhite28/20centry.htm
Re-COlored and edited by me, Xiaguo.

I recomend Wulaishen to take Mongolia or Phillipines. if You take Mongolia, I will give you Xinjiang, too.

If you are so willing to give away what we've all fought for, you might as well cut your balls off and be like a eunuch!

To Marimaia- I would, as a matter of fact like to challenge you for the purposes of this RP Group

If you really want this, then here is my suggestion:

Have the Philippines, and RP that you have designs on SE Asia (for whatever reason your government has). The conflict won't happen immediately as we'll build up to it over time; this way, we get to see what you're like to RP with and vice versa. If you're doing well, you might even be able to enlist IC help from other nations in the group.

However, since at the moment you're attempting to get the China region to assist you in your challenge, my only condition would be that you stop that. Sino, _Taiwan and Xiaguo are the only nations in the group from that region; bringing even more nations into this group just because you want them to help you crush me is not the way to act.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v25/Littleredboi/worldmapnsphotobuk.jpg
World Map Nationstates RP

- http://cgibin.rcn.com/mwhite28/20centry.htm
Re-COlored and edited by me, Xiaguo.

Hmm...

*looks around to see if Wazzu is watching*

*doesn't see him*

Hey, if no one wants it, I'll take Western Europe! Or at least France, Germany, Britain, the Low Countries, Norway, Denmark, and Sweden.

In fact, I might even trade Indonesia, Malaysia, and Singapore for it.

Also, that map looks pre-World War I. No Poland, Austro-Hungary still has an empire, South America and Africa look messed up, etc.

Oookay, careful, this is starting to look like land-grabbing and another Earth #, which was not the intention. I just wanted to know who my neighbours were so that Drapoel policy on China could be sorted out rather than sitting in are-they-socialist? limbo.
I feel like I'm speaking out of turn, but what the heck, I started the thread, so I just want to say that I'm not necessarily going to recognise extra-regional claims as concrete. I mean, if someone gobbles up all of Europe, they may find that Dra-pol still buys some plutonium from France or something like that.

Oookay, careful, this is starting to look like land-grabbing and another Earth #, which was not the intention. I just wanted to know who my neighbours were so that Drapoel policy on China could be sorted out rather than sitting in are-they-socialist? limbo.
I feel like I'm speaking out of turn, but what the heck, I started the thread, so I just want to say that I'm not necessarily going to recognise extra-regional claims as concrete. I mean, if someone gobbles up all of Europe, they may find that Dra-pol still buys some plutonium from France or something like that.

ooc: I'd sell plutonium anyway. Corruption is rampant in our government. Just look at our soldiers.

If you really want this, then here is my suggestion:

Have the Philippines, and RP that you have designs on SE Asia (for whatever reason your government has). The conflict won't happen immediately as we'll build up to it over time; this way, we get to see what you're like to RP with and vice versa. If you're doing well, you might even be able to enlist IC help from other nations in the group.

However, since at the moment you're attempting to get the China region to assist you in your challenge, my only condition would be that you stop that. Sino, _Taiwan and Xiaguo are the only nations in the group from that region; bringing even more nations into this group just because you want them to help you crush me is not the way to act.
Well, actually I can explain my aggression-I've woke up on the wrong side of the bed for the last 5 days-I've read your statement on the Modern World's headquarters, and I hate to say it, but you do have a point!-------------------but yeah I'll take the philippines-but Xiaguo, I'll have to decline on Mongolia for the sake of you and sino, because you fought for it, not me. Marimaia I accept your offer, also add that the Philippines under my control will be molded exactly like Vietnam (my recently passed Grandmother is of Vietnamese descent, that's why I cherish that nation, not to mention that my Girlfriend is Vietnamese,But I'm Chinese, not that you care)That includes a total overhaul in the Filipino Languages,Religion, City names, customs and anything else i forgot to say,and that the Philippines will be ran by the name Wulaishen--and that will be a functioning industrialized communist CHINESE AND VIETNAMESE SPEAKIN' people's republic(Sort of like a communist Japan)

Wow... Marimaia and Bonstock may be headed for that great abiss otherwise known as WAR... and Marimaia isn't even out of Myanmar yet...

Hmm..I'm not sure what you want to do about Myanmar, cuz the situation is looking pretty grim right now... unless of course you decide to pull a Drapol and just kill everyone who doesn't agree with you.... I suppose that is your 'last-resort' plan.... or its your first... I dunno..

In any case, I think Suu Kyi would be pretty pissed at Marimaia for even letting the Bonstockians into the country. I mean, as bad as things were under the military junta... this is much much worse. And Suu Kyi would know it.

Quinntonia - USA, 300 million
Quinntonian Dra-pol - Hamhung- 6 million
Hudecia - Canada-30 million
Spyr - Lyong Pen-60 million
LRR-Russia - 143 million(CIA Factbbok)
Marimaia - Thailand, Laos, Cambodia, Eastern Myanmar- 95 million
Union of Burma-rest of Myanmar, under Marimaian 'protection'-42 million
Dra-pol-N. Korea - 34 million
North Yaman - 15 million
Sangun-Vietnam - 82 million
Beth Gellert - 300 million (southern Indian Ocean, across from Madagascar, or perhaps Madagascar?)
Xiaguo - 700 million (Northern China, Mongolia, Xinjiang)
Sino - 600 million (Southern China)
Chuang-Han - 98 million
Taiwan - 28 million
S. Korea-Hudecia and LRR.
Bonstock-Indonesia, Singapore, and Malaysia -150 million
That seems to be the final total of the group, except for Tord, on that other Sea of Japan penninsuela and the big Wulaishen. I am willing to let things stand as they are, and really, given Wulaishen's attitude and mediocre understanding of RP so far, I am indifferent as to whether or not he gets involved.

Dra-pol, I think Bonstock's comments as to the Europe land-grab were a joke at Wulaishen's expense, at least I hope so, so no worries!
WWJD
Amen.

Quinntonia - USA, 300 million
Quinntonian Dra-pol - Hamhung- 6 million
Hudecia - Canada-30 million
Spyr - Lyong Pen-60 million
LRR-Russia - 143 million(CIA Factbbok)
Marimaia - Thailand, Laos, Cambodia, Eastern Myanmar- 95 million
Union of Burma-rest of Myanmar, under Marimaian 'protection'-42 million
Dra-pol-N. Korea - 34 million
North Yaman - 15 million
Sangun-Vietnam - 82 million
Beth Gellert - 300 million (southern Indian Ocean, across from Madagascar, or perhaps Madagascar?)
Xiaguo - 700 million (Northern China, Mongolia, Xinjiang)
Sino - 600 million (Southern China)
Chuang-Han - 98 million
Taiwan - 28 million
S. Korea-Hudecia and LRR.
Bonstock-Indonesia, Singapore, and Malaysia -150 million
That seems to be the final total of the group, except for Tord, on that other Sea of Japan penninsuela and the big Wulaishen. I am willing to let things stand as they are, and really, given Wulaishen's attitude and mediocre understanding of RP so far, I am indifferent as to whether or not he gets involved.

Dra-pol, I think Bonstock's comments as to the Europe land-grab were a joke at Wulaishen's expense, at least I hope so, so no worries!
WWJD
Amen.
Mediocre?, Attitude?,You must not have looked 1 page down, I took the Philippines w/o conflict Normally, I would take that offensively, but right now, say as you please, another thing, My understanding of Role Play is not mediocre thank you, what's mediocre is how I want to make things better i order for you to not hear my mouth, but It seems things are actually getting worse

ooc: Oh, and I lied about the population of Indonesia. Its 220 million or so.

I'll just say my country has 250 million people, Singapore and Malaysia included.

And I think United Elias has Brunei, so... *masses troops in Sarawak*

And Marimaia may hate me... *masses troops in Penninsular Malaysia*

OOC:

Yay! I hereby offer a hug to Wulaishen and put the past behind us. Rewriting the Philippines should be fine, since I think we've all rewritten the nations we're supposed to be.

Hudecia: Ah my friend, Marimaia has many options on the table. One is to muddle through and keep toiling until something nice develops; the second is to simply annex what they want and then abandon Suu Kyi to muddle through on her own; the third is Operation Dominion. It doesn't involve killing *everyone*...

Oh what the hell, I'll tell you. Basically the whole of Myanmar gets annexed by Marimaia, and then the Ministry of Resettlement starts moving people around. The ethnic minorities who were oppressed by the junta will get preferential treatment, while the Burmans end up as a slave labour resource. It's all about vengeance; the minorities get revenge for being oppressed, while Marimaia avenges the past invasions of Thailand by Burma. Collaboration gives you fairness, resistance gives you death.

Then NeoSuunism absorbs the Theravada Buddhists and declares Premier Suun the Devaraja (divine king).

It's still up in the air which one I'll use though...

Quinntonia - USA, 300 million
Quinntonian Dra-pol - Hamhung- 6 million
Hudecia - Canada-30 million
Spyr - Lyong Pen-60 million
LRR-Russia - 143 million(CIA Factbbok)
Marimaia - Thailand, Laos, Cambodia, Eastern Myanmar- 95 million
Union of Burma-rest of Myanmar, under Marimaian 'protection'-42 million
Dra-pol-N. Korea - 34 million
North Yaman - 15 million
Sangun-Vietnam - 82 million
Beth Gellert - 300 million (southern Indian Ocean, across from Madagascar, or perhaps Madagascar?)
Xiaguo - 700 million (Northern China, Mongolia, Xinjiang)
Sino - 600 million (Southern China)
Chuang-Han - 98 million
Taiwan - 28 million
S. Korea-Hudecia and LRR.
Bonstock-Indonesia, Singapore, and Malaysia -150 million
That seems to be the final total of the group, except for Tord, on that other Sea of Japan penninsuela and the big Wulaishen. I am willing to let things stand as they are, and really, given Wulaishen's attitude and mediocre understanding of RP so far, I am indifferent as to whether or not he gets involved.

Dra-pol, I think Bonstock's comments as to the Europe land-grab were a joke at Wulaishen's expense, at least I hope so, so no worries!
WWJD
Amen.

QD- you've omitted O&I, population 127 million!

OOC:I was told to post here if I was going to be recognized in RPs with certain nations that have been friendly to me.
SO I would like to post my RL nation residences.
Bedou-Burkina Faso:18,000,000(Africa)
Bedou-Kyrgyzstan: 11,000,000(Central Asia)
Bedou-Southern Sweden:4,000,000(Europe)
Bedou-Tajikistan:10,200,000(Central Asia)
I hope this will suffice for RPs, as I find this group tends to have very good ones.

I think it might be best to leave Europe out of this claims system, since we're mostly dealing with Asia. Central asia and the middle east might be o.k., but I think Europe is a little much.

LRR, I just posted all my RL claims throughout just in case.
If they have no bearing that is fine.
I just wanted to be as forth right as possible.
I left out BEdou colonies in nations like Sudan, and what not because they are not controled by the Bedou, I however have a majortiy of my populace in other peoples nations.
If no Europes, just Ignore the European. I also have an African one.

'Communist'?

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=365286

Quinntonia - USA, 300 million
Quinntonian Dra-pol - Hamhung- 6 million
Hudecia - Canada-30 million
Spyr - Lyong Pen-60 million
LRR-Russia - 143 million(CIA Factbbok)
Marimaia - Thailand, Laos, Cambodia, Eastern Myanmar- 95 million
Union of Burma-rest of Myanmar, under Marimaian 'protection'-42 million
Dra-pol-N. Korea - 34 million
North Yaman - 15 million
Sangun-Vietnam - 82 million
Beth Gellert - 300 million (southern Indian Ocean, across from Madagascar, or perhaps Madagascar?)
Xiaguo - 700 million (Northern China, Mongolia, Xinjiang)
Sino - 600 million (Southern China)
Chuang-Han - 98 million
Taiwan - 28 million
S. Korea-Hudecia and LRR.
Bonstock-Indonesia, Singapore, and Malaysia -250 million
O & I- Japan- 127 million
I am willing to recognise Wulaishen's claim on the Phillipines-86 million if everyone else is. Wulaishen, I just ask that you prove my first impression wrong, I think that Dra-pol has helped to assemble some of the finest RPers in NS for what could be the best RP I have ever been in, and I am just getting a little protective.
And as for United Elias, I don't think they are involved in this world, unless I missed something, not that we wouldn't welcome them, but why clog up the works?

I must say I am so excited to get going with this group, when I think of the raw talent that is represented here, from Bonstock, who was the first ever nation that I RPed with, to Dra-pol on the first thread, when I had commandoes fighting vampires, to the annals of LRR, Xiagiu Sino, Mar, Hudecia...well the list is long and amasing... I know that I am in good company. I just pary that we can understand that I think of you all as NS royalty. You are among the best of the best of RPers, and I am honored to be in your company for what promises to be an amasing journey. God Bless You all.
With that said, I will take pleasure in drinking the blood of my enemies.

If no one has any objections to Wulaishen's placement or to the nations and populations that rea posted here, I humbly present to you, THE MODERN WORLD!

I thought that this Scripture would be appropriate, considering the amazing group we have assembled here.
From everyone who has been given much, much will be demanded.
Luke 12:48
WWJD
Amen.

PS-That was pretty mushy, even for me.

OOC:

Damn, you're making it harder for me to support Dra-pol's claim over you!

::Hugs Q-D::

Now we resume our regular broadcast:

"Mmmmmm.......Myanmar....shiny colony precious....ahhhhhhhhh! Bonstock broke my toy!"

::cries in the corner::

"Vengeance will be mine! Maybe not today, maybe not tomorrow, but soon, and for the rest of Harald's life! Since he comes back from the dead, we can torture him for all eternity!"

If no one has any objections to Wulaishen's placement or to the nations and populations that rea posted here, I humbly present to you, THE MODERN WORLD!

PS-That was pretty mushy, even for me.[/QUOTE]

The mushiness! NOOOO!!!!!!

Seriously though, I agree that this has the potential to be a fantastic group...

Yes, keep Europe out for now, the map is temporary, a Key will be added after more of this sorting is done. We need an India.

SInce we have a Canada and a US, I just used a world map since it had everything right?

Yes, keep Europe out for now, the map is temporary, a Key will be added after more of this sorting is done. We need an India.

SInce we have a Canada and a US, I just used a world map since it had everything right?


I see no problem, and really this thing could keep expanding, and really, as long as we keep the pace and everything under strict control, I don't see there being a problem, however, I agree that we should try this much out for now and see how it goes.

And as for the hugs and stuff....Jeez guys, not in front of the Banat agents, we need to keep up our reps.
WWJD
Amen.

*Wearily moves troops towards the southern border after reading the Marimaian designs on Burma, then flaunts the "This Nation under Sinoese Protection" signs on the border*

Anyway, I'm back from vacation :)

BTW, I was just perusing the war thread most of you are involved in with Marimaia involved, and I just want to clarify, that has no bearing on The Modern World, does it?
WWJD
Amen.

Quinntonia - USA, 300 million
Quinntonian Dra-pol - Hamhung- 6 million
Hudecia - Canada-30 million
Spyr - Lyong Pen-60 million
LRR-Russia - 143 million(CIA Factbbok)
Marimaia - Thailand, Laos, Cambodia, Eastern Myanmar- 95 million
Union of Burma-rest of Myanmar, under Marimaian 'protection'-42 million
Dra-pol-N. Korea - 34 million
North Yaman - 15 million
Sangun-Vietnam - 82 million
Beth Gellert - 300 million (southern Indian Ocean, across from Madagascar, or perhaps Madagascar?)
Xiaguo - 700 million (Northern China, Mongolia, Xinjiang)
Sino - 600 million (Southern China)
Chuang-Han - 98 million
Taiwan - 28 million
S. Korea-Hudecia and LRR.
Bonstock-Indonesia, Singapore, and Malaysia -250 million
O & I- Japan- 127 million
I am willing to recognise Wulaishen's claim on the Phillipines-86 million if everyone else is. Wulaishen, I just ask that you prove my first impression wrong, I think that Dra-pol has helped to assemble some of the finest RPers in NS for what could be the best RP I have ever been in, and I am just getting a little protective.
And as for United Elias, I don't think they are involved in this world, unless I missed something, not that we wouldn't welcome them, but why clog up the works?

I must say I am so excited to get going with this group, when I think of the raw talent that is represented here, from Bonstock, who was the first ever nation that I RPed with, to Dra-pol on the first thread, when I had commandoes fighting vampires, to the annals of LRR, Xiagiu Sino, Mar, Hudecia...well the list is long and amasing... I know that I am in good company. I just pary that we can understand that I think of you all as NS royalty. You are among the best of the best of RPers, and I am honored to be in your company for what promises to be an amasing journey. God Bless You all.
With that said, I will take pleasure in drinking the blood of my enemies.

If no one has any objections to Wulaishen's placement or to the nations and populations that rea posted here, I humbly present to you, THE MODERN WORLD!

I thought that this Scripture would be appropriate, considering the amazing group we have assembled here.
From everyone who has been given much, much will be demanded.
Luke 12:48
WWJD
Amen.

PS-That was pretty mushy, even for me.
Well, Dra-pol, first impressions change over time, right? I'd just like to take the time to apologize to you, Marimaia, and Sangun, and I can RP well because I did RP a lot on a online game uncannily similar to NS

Yes, keep Europe out for now, the map is temporary, a Key will be added after more of this sorting is done. We need an India.

In the Xinjiang War, Magdha RP'ed India. I wonder if he still does?

I can RP well because I did RP a lot on a online game uncannily similar to NS

What game is that?

It was Empire online(not a website anymore)a very small website

Here are the specifics for Combined Forces Group-Republic Of Korea:

~450 PT-91B tanks
~1,000 T-SEP APCs
~350 T-SEP IFVs
~3,500 various logistical vehicles (Bv-206Ts, MLV-2s, other stuff, etc.)
~500 BWP-1MP scout vehicles

~25 Buddy Guy missile boats
~3 Sovremenny destroyers
~8 De Zeven Provincien frigates

~100 Su-25 II attack jets
~150 MiG-21-2000 multirole fighters

And for the entire army:

9,000 PT-91B main battle tanks
150 ST-21 main battle tanks (out of 500 planned)
3,000 T-62E Engineer's chassis vehicles

12,000 BWP-2MB APCs (T-SEP-A)
7,000 T-SEP-B Engineer's multipurpose vehicles
4,000 T-SEP-C IFVs
2,700 BWP-1MP scouting vehicles

2,000 W-SEP (BTR-80V) wheeled armored vehicles

80 2S7 203mm SPH
400 Pzh-2000 155mm SPH
600 2S5 152mm SPH
800 MCT-8 120mm mortar carriers (adapted from the 2S1)

3,000 MT-12 Anti-tank guns
3,000 D-30 100mm field guns
1,500 2A45 125mm anti-tank guns

100 Smerch-B 300mm long-range MRLs
650 Uragan-B 160mm MRLs (TM-13 capable)
1,500 GRADLAR 160mm MRLs (TM-13 capable)
4,000 R-112SF2 112mm MRLs

350 SA-11 MOD SAMs
600 RBS-23 SAMs
~5,000 SA-9 shoulder-launched SAMs

(ABM and long-range SAMs not included)

21,000 assorted AAA and SPAAGs, models include:

ZSU-23-4B
ZPU-23
ZPU-4
ZPU-2

1,000 Mi-8PMV helicopters
740 Gazelle II scout helicopters
400 Ka-52 attack helicopters

250,000 or so logistical vehicles, which include TGB-20A, TGB-20AL, Tatra 8x8, Bv-206T series, MLV-2.

At least 8,000 ambulence vehicles of various models.

It's my army-adapted from the russian statistics.

Well, Dra-pol, first impressions change over time, right? I'd just like to take the time to apologize to you, Marimaia, and Sangun, and I can RP well because I did RP a lot on a online game uncannily similar to NS

Just FYI, I am not Dra-pol. I am QUINNTONIAN Dra-pol. I am a representation of the Quinntonian interests in this region.
Dra-pol is the nation next to mine with a penchant for on the spot crucifixtions.
WWJD
Amen.

LRR may want to a supplement her forces with some IRBMs.

We need:

1) a solution to destroy Dra-pol (and probably the Korean peninsula in the process)
or
2) a way to evacuate as many refugees as we can and pull out
or
3) a way to win without fighting, as the famous strategist Sun-tzu states in his manual, the Art of War. This requires intense thought, and the best strategy i've thought of is to draw out Dra-pol (via real life south korea's sunshine policy) and give them something to lose should they attempt another invasion. We should also ask Marimaia for help on this.

And we also need to tell Dra-pol that he has to stop:

1) being annoying and writing long ass posts that we dont have time to read
2) bitching when we tell him he's annoying
3) going on about his guaranteed victory and instead try to see this from a real perspective. not to insult him or anything, but Dra-pol needs to put things in perspective. Though the North (in real life) desires reunification, it does not desire the DESTRUCTION OF THE ENTIRE KOREAN PENINSULA which is what will result should he press on with this war. And though he is a tricky opponent, he should realize that we cant do very much against him if he keeps claiming land and refuses to claim losses. Human waves work for a while, but they cant keep working. He needs to trick us and stuff, and im not sure digging tunnels and swarming our defenses is any good.

But what to do? this situation must not persist, and we must gain some sort of advantage. Perhaps I shouldnt be the one talkign, since i did pull out and devote my resources to evacuating refugees, infiltration of Dra-poel lines, and missile raids.

I've just had this really fucking amazing idea!

Why don't I build some sort of ball-kicking robot and send it round to you, EI, and have it, like, kick you in the balls hundreds and hundreds of times until you somehow magically understand a single word that I type, or something?

I know that the experience of having one's balls bounced off the inside of one's skull and anally evacuated following the ricochet might not impart that specific ability, but I could always hope that it might at least keep you from mixing your own out-of-character misconceptions and opinions with the in-character policies and failings of your nation state and its involved characters.

I'll write posts of whatever length I choose, and you'll either read them or else not bother. You can't bitch about their extent while tossing about allegations of bitching on my part (well, you can, but then you'll get proper bitching, like this!). I... I could take your second point 3 and bury it AGAIN, but I've tried so many times to make people underfuckingstand that I'm driven to fantasising about ball-kicking robot minions.

Holy mother of fuck.

Maybe Dra-pol's too absorbed into the whole NK IC thing that somehow, the arrogant hand of Kim Jong-Il is now up his ass!

The whole idea of Dra-poel society is unrealistic and dehumanized to the point where it is 1984 without the telescreens. If Hotan and his monkeys came to power through a revolution, wouldn't it be for a better, more humanized form of government, rather than this pseudo-Marxist butchering? As far as the eyes can see and beyond, Dra-pol is some slaughterhouse under Hotan's management.

I'm in full agreement with E.I. here about your annoying arrogance that has escalated beyond control over the past weeks. And Dra-pol, watch your f*cking mouth! This maybe a forum but that kind of language ain't tolerated here. Either censor your expletives or I'll get a mod to remind you of your manners. Imagine if Hotan speaks like, Dra-pol would be the rudest cuntry in Asia.

Also, human wave attacks don't work at all, against a more modern force that is far superior to '60s Mao tech. Remember, through all these wars and waves, wouldn't the adult population be depleted, if not demoralized? Not every man in Dra-pol is castrated at birth by the state and brought up claiming the act was carried out by foreign troops!

I've just had this really fucking amazing idea!

Why don't I build some sort of ball-kicking robot and send it round to you, EI, and have it, like, kick you in the balls hundreds and hundreds of times until you somehow magically understand a single word that I type, or something?

I know that the experience of having one's balls bounced off the inside of one's skull and anally evacuated following the ricochet might not impart that specific ability, but I could always hope that it might at least keep you from mixing your own out-of-character misconceptions and opinions with the in-character policies and failings of your nation state and its involved characters.

I'll write posts of whatever length I choose, and you'll either read them or else not bother. You can't bitch about their extent while tossing about allegations of bitching on my part (well, you can, but then you'll get proper bitching, like this!). I... I could take your second point 3 and bury it AGAIN, but I've tried so many times to make people underfuckingstand that I'm driven to fantasising about ball-kicking robot minions.

Holy mother of fuck.

F*cking Pom's drunk on Molotov cocktails again! Or maybe he didn't get any p*ssy last night!

"Pussy, refered him to sushi."

Hey, now, don't flame personally at each other's expense. Yep, I elarned, no mass waves, got that. I proud of my little Xiaguo, damn right. No ball kicking machines, kicking the balls is sissy and not humane. We need those, YOU!

You have just confirmed that what EI said is true, Dra-Pol.


Not to be rude, but one of my favorite proverbs,
"If don't speak, they will think you're stupid, if you do speak, you have convinced them they were right."

BTW, I was just perusing the war thread most of you are involved in with Marimaia involved, and I just want to clarify, that has no bearing on The Modern World, does it?
WWJD
Amen.

Good question...

I started it with my NS stats, but the forces I invaded Myanmar with are still possible within the size of my 'realistic army'. The question is whether United Elias's involvement makes it Modern World or not.

I used that thread to justify the 'Marimaian protection' of Myanmar in Modern World...oh, let's just ask everyone what they think!

Two Questions:

One: Should the current 'Myanmar Confrontation' thread be taken as what's happening in the Modern World?

Two: If you answered no to the first question, which of the following do you think should be the state of Myanmar in the 'Modern World':

A. Still under the rule of the military junta
B. 'Guided democracy' i.e. democracy with Marimaian influences
C. Military dictatorship backed by the Marimaians
D. Operation Dominion (which would require significant military presence by Marimaia)
E. Something else (please specify)

Well, Dra-pol, first impressions change over time, right? I'd just like to take the time to apologize to you, Marimaia, and Sangun, and I can RP well because I did RP a lot on a online game uncannily similar to NS

Apology more than accepted.

It's all water under the bridge now, so let's forget about it and start anew.

Look, for fuck's sake, stop it, I can't take much more repetition. I really can not believe this, I am so sick of repeating myself.

Does no one else see how EI's post was the rude one? Mine was reactive, born of frustration at how much bitching occurs whenever I try to do anything, or in this case just completely at random! What in the world provoked that? Nothing? Was it nothing? Maybe it was massive intoxication?

Will it help at all if I address each stupid point put? I feel like I've done it to death, but still people fail to notice and then come at me with the same crap only in an ever more bitchy tone. Do you people not see how frustrating this is?

Sino, what is unrealistic about Drapoel society? If you're going to make a point, ah, make it. I could say that to me, Sino looks rather unrealistic. It is hyper militarist, xenophobic, conservative, and yet still part of the modern world with apparently relatively normal interaction with the outside world... how can that be maintained? To me it looks like you're having your cake and eating it. Dra-pol is much the same as Sino in many of those terms, but we have the introspective, isolationist, centrally-planned society to justify it.

Sino is the last person who ought to be accusing anyone else of arrogance as if it's an unfavourable trait.

This obsession everyone else has with mass wave attacks can probably be explained by the apparent fact that at least some of the obsessed can't be bothered to read other people's posts. That's their prerogative, but it is wrong to then assume that they know enough to start criticism, especially where it really isn't apropriate.
The well documented (all that stuff you couldn't be arsed to read) development of the Drapoel people and the Choson People's Republic are what justify the Drapoel mentality and the people's xenophobia. If Sino is a capitalist nation (I gather it is certainly rampantly anti-communist) then it is doing open business with the outside world, and it is that much harder to convince people that everybody is out to get them. The average Drapoel knows that his country has never attacked another, and that it has repeatedly lost territory to outside invaders. He doesn't see foreign tourists or businessmen, and he doesn't go on holiday or fly off to negotiate new contracts abroad, and he doesn't see that none-Drapoel or none-Kurosites are not degenerate monsters. If anything, it is Sino that is highly unrealistic... I'd like to think that the intelligent people of China would get a bit sick of being told what to think and who to hate when they can clearly see evidence to the contrary, or get at least a whiff of another way of life.

Now, the Drapoel generally don't get that... but now what're you thinking? Oh, that's unrealistic, and I should play at least some upheaval when some inevitible contact is made? What do you call Quinntonian Dra-pol?!?! Millions of defections! When was the last time that anyone else's down-trodden underclass or educated free-thinkers took their own path?

How much more clear can it get that I'm the one accepting the floors in the nation state he has chosen to play? Would it help if I played a realitic economy based on the RP character and condition of my nation, rather than being slaved to the much higher rating on my NS profile, something that any idiot can make frightening? Oh! I do! Perhaps I should have come up with some way to make our human wave attacks and near limitless man-power and resource base redundant? Ohh! Well stomp on frogs and shove a crowbar up my nose (to quote Garfield)! I did!!! All these stupid accusations levelled against me are so either, A) Because people haven't paid attention or put the same thought in to their nation, or B) Because of conditions that I have chosen to create.

Whyyyyyy am I taking this flack? Of all the people involved in this RP group, I should be the absolute last one in this position. Now that sounds arrogant, and I hate it, but I never would have said it, wouldn't even be thinking about it if I wasn't being faced with all this absurdity!

In the past, Dra-pol used human-wave attacks where it was of strategic significance, because a specific position absolutely had to be over-run, because the need existed for a sustained distraction, or because, uh, some of Dra-pol's generals are crap. Think about it, and tell me this: What events are making you repeat over and over again that human wave attacks are an out-dated idea? If you think about it, perhaps you will realise that the Drapoel human-wave offensives against Hamhung failed, that the LRR and associated units on the eastern front by and large held-out against superior numbers, and that, hey, I had to RP these things... the didn't happen in spite of my arrogance and ignorance, but because I chose to take-part in role-playing them.
Have you noticed that Dra-pol isn't currently engaged in an attack on the south? Why not? Could it be because the command structure is trying to plan something new? If it was going to be a human wave attack, why would we ever have stopped? How long does it take to think, "buh, lets carry on doing the same fing as wez bin doing, guhur!"?

I'm way ahead of these accusations, I'm afraid. You can stop bitching until you've got some justification, please, because I'm trying to RP the development of an unusual society and to carry-out its struggles. I'm not interested in your shallow understanding of who is winning what.

If someone wants to get all excited and call in the mods, I'd say that this is my thread with a loosely defined purpose, and that this tangent -started by guests in the thread- is completely off-topic anyway, and doesn't have to continue if you don't like it. I know that I'm hair-tearingly frustrated with it.

Now EI's going to say that I've made too long a post, again? Whose fault is that?

(Oh, and by the way, Dra-pol is the rudest nation in A Modern World :) )

(Oh, and if there are players amongst you sat out there, thinking, 'yes, I know all this, it's nothing special, don't get carried-away with taking-credit for everything' well, thank you, and thank God for you (not that I've started believing in him, Q ;) ) !)

I see a war starting. Stop, or the mods will lock this thread, this thread has proved efficient and a great way for us to put aside our differences so, please, simmer down.

(Well, I'm not about to start or indeed join a war started because of somebody's OOC misunderstanding of me, my Nation State, or an IC situation or condition. I do rather resent the apparent fact that as many people as desire can post OOC twaddle about me without response from anybody else, but whenever I react directly to it somebody comes along and says its time to stop as if it is the other lobby's devine right to both start a situation and to have the last word. I'd just ignore everbody who is in the wrong, but then I think I would be forcing other players to choose, and that doesn't seem fair, so surely it makes sense to hammer this out.)

OK, this thread is long as hell and I'm not sure I have time to read every page to figure out what I want to know.

So, question is: Is anyone in the region currently playing or occupying either Nepal, the Philipines, or areas of central India? I was interested as RPing one of these places as each in the real world are in the middle of a Maoist revolution and I would have wanted to RP as one of these as if the People's War there had finally succeeded. It would make a good counterbalance to all the imperial powers with a stake on the asian continent, even if the resulting country would be small and poor as hell initially.

I think that we're without players in Nepal and India as yet, UWA.

My goodness! Such language and general meaness! LOL!
I am hoping that this will be the end of that particular episode.
Though I know how frustrating the human wave attacks are, (And have the 1 million in casualties to prove it), I am still standing after it all.
Also, I do represent those that are smart enough or brave enough to see that Dra-pol isn't all it's cracked up to be, to the tune of several million defectors.
People do need to realise that DRa-pol aslo has allowed its first and main character, the guy who used to make Hotan shine his boots, assasinated, I have never seen anyone in NS that willing to part with the leader of their nation for the sake of realism. And the guy that took over for him is still in a Quinntonian prison cell, along with a couple thousand political prisoners.
I do see why you would post that thing about the massive and sustained wave attacks, but that is the whole piont of this RPing clique, to remove some of the absurdity. Dra-pol now has to deal with a limited population that he never really had to take into account for before, who cares if you lose 1 million men when you have almost 3 million hitting military age every year?

Each of us has our unrealistic thing that stretches reality, C,mon, how many powerful Christian Western Theocracies do you see around? But we take them with a grain of salt.

And as for the long posts thing, you don't want to read them....don't.

WWJD
Amen.

See? Some people do understand. Whew.

All right, so, maybe we're getting a second lefty in the region... I think UWA's a decent RPer, if memory serves.

Anyway, at the moment I'm mostly ticking-over the on-going development of Drapoel Korea, in the Paper-Tigers/Wildcat thread, which is mostly meant to be a way to let people keep up with what is going on without starting a new thread for every little event... if people find one story or other especially interesting or important it may merit a spin-off thread, whatever works.

See? Some people do understand. Whew.

All right, so, maybe we're getting a second lefty in the region... I think UWA's a decent RPer, if memory serves.

Anyway, at the moment I'm mostly ticking-over the on-going development of Drapoel Korea, in the Paper-Tigers/Wildcat thread, which is mostly meant to be a way to let people keep up with what is going on without starting a new thread for every little event... if people find one story or other especially interesting or important it may merit a spin-off thread, whatever works.

Hey, man, I didn't say you were without fault, but just that I saw where you were coming from. I do think that his attck on you came from way out in left field, but your response went way too far.
I just pary for the unity of our RP, but in an un-related topic, could you post the link to the other thread, I am having difficulty finding it, being computer illiterate and all.
WWJD
Amen.

As much as I may or may not agree with EI and Drapol on their little argument, try to keep the discourse sane and civil please.

Part of Drapol's arrogance may have been borne out of the fact that he had so many troops compared to us that it was like swatting flies. I have yet to see how he will respond in a war, but rest assured Drapol, if I think that you are being unrealistic I will let you know.

Similarly, some feedback on all our RPing abilities would be nice. Sometimes having people tell you honestly what they think is useful, as long as they do not use 'colourful metaphors' in their complaints.

UWA, I don't know much about you, so I'll defer judgement until I know more about you. But if others say you are fine, then welcome to our little world.

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=363908
That should be it.

Anyway, so long as people understand what I've been doing and that I've already answered most of the bizarre charges leveled against me I'm content... the perceived weight of my delivery isn't of fundamental importance to me, and I'm sorry if people are more easily offended than I by the use of particular words... I find the actual implication of complete comments to be of more significance and potential offence than the exact choice of lexicon. One can't get all caught up in, "ohhm, you swore, I'm telling teacher!". We're all from different parts of the world and different social groups and ages and blahdeblah, and in mine, few of us give and blanking blank if some blanker blanking calls us blanks, and it's just as blanking easy to slander, offend, or bore someone without swearing, so I honestly don't see the problem.
Yeah, so, provided a message is conveyed I'm not personally interested in what people think of its vessel. Maybe that's just me.

Hey, man, I have to deal with people taking my Lord's name in vain all the time and no one gets offended, instead, they seem to use it INSTEAD of swearing. How many times have you seen post like this...

Old Grixled McVeteran took a long drag of his stogie and barked "J**** CH****! Will you G**damn idiots get moving, to which the female civilian answered, "Oh my G**! At least he isn't saying anything offensive!"

OK, I'm kind of paraphrasing, but you get the idea.
Anyhoo, thanks for the link, but I think I found it about two seconds after I posted looking for it. But for me, I couldn't give a flying F*** what other kind of language is used. I just decide not to use it because I know that it offends some.

Well, back to glaring at DRa-pol...GRRRR!
WWJD
Amen.

Now EI's going to say that I've made too long a post, again? Whose fault is that?

(Oh, and by the way, Dra-pol is the rudest nation in A Modern World :) )

wow.. drapol actually answered me on this one, actually acknowledging my existence. Except for one RP on Korea that i've been in wit him, he has never done me the favor of actually acknowledging my nation's presence.

I never said you didnt develop ur nation well, i juss said that ur posts are too long. and maybe its because ur always so long winded, but whatever.

you do nothing but look down on us from behind your hordes. So what are we supposed to do? more to the point, what CAN we do?

*****
And i dare you to try your ball kicking machine.

Maybe you can build one after Agrigento and i knock some tactical sense into your skull with a few rounds from a barett .50 cal rifle.

wow.. drapol actually answered me on this one, actually acknowledging my existence. Except for one RP on Korea that i've been in wit him, he has never done me the favor of actually acknowledging my nation's presence.

I never said you didnt develop ur nation well, i juss said that ur posts are too long. and maybe its because ur always so long winded, but whatever.

you do nothing but look down on us from behind your hordes. So what are we supposed to do? more to the point, what CAN we do?

*****
And i dare you to try your ball kicking machine.

Maybe you can build one after Agrigento and i knock some tactical sense into your skull with a few rounds from a barett .50 cal rifle.


OK, that is enough, if you guys want to have a pissing contest, do it through TGs, this thread doesn't need the clutter, and this is way off topic.
WWJD
Amen.

OK, that is enough, if you guys want to have a pissing contest, do it through TGs, this thread doesn't need the clutter, and this is way off topic.
WWJD
Amen.

I was being civil, and he comes along and tells me i need a ball kicking machine. Haha, mayb sino's rite... but we shall see.

In any case, I would like to answer Marimaia's question, and i do believe that the 'guided democracy with marimaia influence' is best.

or maybe, 'marimaian imperialism.' Wait...that is what 'guided democracy' is, rite?

btw, Quinntonian Drapol, have you any other nations? I remember you vaguely from having fought a war against ur loathsome namesake, but im not so sure what the nature of ur nation is, other than that it is a religious nation and.... is located near Drapol.

Perhaps an agreement of mutual interests can be made.

I do have another nation, called Quinntonia. This is a puppet that represents Quinntonina interests in Asia, which I call Quinntonian Dra-pol, given that it comprises some very paved over rich farmland in and around Hanhung.
WWJD
Amen.

See, now I clearly have RP'd with your nation (EI) in the past, but I don't know how you expect more from me when you admit that you don't want to read my posts anyway.

You've obviously taken in completely the wrong light the first post reacting to your bitching, as I was trying to emphasise the fact that I've explained myself to the point of madness, and what, you took the ball kicking machine as some sort of threat? But hey, you'll shoot me before I can build such a thing!

[cough]

Erm.

I think then maybe it would be best if EI and Dra-pol just don't have anything to do with one another, eh? You seem determined to make a fast action steel penis [name of gun most widely humped in America] contest of it, and that's not going to happen. I think the two nations can reasonably stay out of one another's way, if you'd prefer?

I think then maybe it would be best if EI and Dra-pol just don't have anything to do with one another, eh? You seem determined to make a fast action steel penis [name of gun most widely humped in America] contest of it, and that's not going to happen. I think the two nations can reasonably stay out of one another's way, if you'd prefer?

Fine. You're rite, mayb i did do too much damage wit my comment. But i never meant to insult you, and i certainly did not want to drop an atomic bomb into an already blazing inferno. I was merely stating how i felt, and if that ruins things, I'm sorry.

I apologize for pissing you off, but i do not apologize for the barrett comment. I suppose i'm still very sore about how you turned your back on the Azn alliance by invading south korea (pity that south dalanias not here any more, otherwise we would have some VERY interesting scenarios).

Parting ways is fine with me, but i'm not so sure how i can have nothing to do with you if all my allies fight against you. But go ahead, take over the Korean peninsula. Long posts and difficult words confuse me anyway, so i would have no way to respond to ur actions.

Pity. You were one of the better storytellers I kno, and i suppose you still are, even if we're tearing at each others throats. So goodbye, and good luck with your damned conquest.

Just dont expect the Azn Alliance (or what remains of it) to recognize you even if you do.

Sigh... mayb the sunshine policy would have worked.

who knows? i certainly hope this doesnt happen in real life.

Oh... you're still holding the Azn Alliance thing against me? That might explain why things re-started on the wrong foot without me realising, because I never imagined that IC manipulation of the political scene would reflect OOC in such a fashion. Hrm.

To Dra-pol, seeing itself as Korea divided by foreign meddling and conflicts of interest and desiring to drive such influences from the peninsula, stabilising forces such as the AA looked like barriers that needed to be broken-down if real change was to be effected.

In China's Warring Period, Qin wanted to attack Qi, but feared the Qi-Cu alliance, and sought to disrupt it without taking to battle. Qin promised Cu land and lavished gifts upon them blah blah in order to undermine the old alliance, and Dra-pol handed over accused war criminals and made friendly sounds to the AA... and much as Qi's ruler (I forget/never knew who) was pissed off about this, so Dra-pol wanted if nothing else to cause some resentment from the ROK of its traditional supporters for coddling up to Dra-pol, even if only slightly. The intention was of course always to pursue the reunification and never to stick by the Alliance, but it was hoped by Kurosian I that the South would have lost some of its trust and respect for its foreign backers, and at least hesitate a little in co-operating with them when Dra-pol began to increase its build-up on the border, to a degree prompting the ROK, by its own indignation, to isolate itself as Qi did from Cu. Also there was some chance that the Alliance would hesitate to act against one of its own members (though KI probably knew they wouldn't hold-off forever), as even a brief delay was better than none, especially given his modern-blitzkrieg plan with commandos over land, sea, and air, and tunnel warfare.

Maybe that's a bit long winded, but I hope it explains my thinking on my characters' parts with regards to the alliance. Indeed, Dra-pol used the AA, but that seemed like the Drapoel thing to do!

In any case, I would like to answer Marimaia's question, and i do believe that the 'guided democracy with marimaia influence' is best.

or maybe, 'marimaian imperialism.' Wait...that is what 'guided democracy' is, rite?

::tries to look innocent::

Of course not! 'Guided democracy' means that Myanmar will have their democratic dream nation, but they won't forget who gave it to them. They can do whatever they want, as long as it doesn't clash with Marimaian plans or cause possible discomfort for the NeoSuunists. Admittedly, the Marimaian government will provide funding for Suu Kyi's National League for Democracy, but that will be to provide Myanmar with the best leader they could possibly have.

Besides, Marimaia will leap to the defence of their colo..neighbour if Myanmar is attacked; so everybody wins!

LRR may want to a supplement her forces with some IRBMs.

Bleh! Bleh bleh bleh bleh bleh!

Makes me sick, they do! Why would I want those? So I have the capacity to render a portion of god's green earth lifeless for years on end? Blasphemy!

Although I am not religious along christian lines, that's pretty much my opinion.

Dra-pol, those robot minions you're talking about, they wouldn't be mine, now, would they?

Or else, I'll cut you up so bad...so bad you'd wish I never cut you up!

In the past, Dra-pol used human-wave attacks where it was of strategic significance, because a specific position absolutely had to be over-run, because the need existed for a sustained distraction, or because, uh, some of Dra-pol's generals are crap. Think about it, and tell me this: What events are making you repeat over and over again that human wave attacks are an out-dated idea? If you think about it, perhaps you will realise that the Drapoel human-wave offensives against Hamhung failed, that the LRR and associated units on the eastern front by and large held-out against superior numbers, and that, hey, I had to RP these things... the didn't happen in spite of my arrogance and ignorance, but because I chose to take-part in role-playing them.
Have you noticed that Dra-pol isn't currently engaged in an attack on the south? Why not? Could it be because the command structure is trying to plan something new? If it was going to be a human wave attack, why would we ever have stopped? How long does it take to think, "buh, lets carry on doing the same fing as wez bin doing, guhur!"?

Am I not a tactical genius? Am I not a tactical genius?

*Begins to play Baba O'Riley at maximum volume*

Yeah. I have way too much fun.

But yeah, Dra-pol, um...I sort of liked the human wave attacks;

a. Because I could counter them with the technology I had and did not have to retool (only slightly, in such instances as with the TM-13 and other stuff)
b. It was new, not many people on NS use them these days, and:
c. I didn't have to worry about my missile boats being inferior

Now I'll have to...mabye...do stuff to...yeah...mabye look into taking some space-junks (an actual futuretech ship class of mine) back in time, or perhaps a tank-trebuchet. We're giving 'em away like candy anyhow. The old ones, at least.

And those WWII-vintage tracked howitzers. Pretty cool, those were. And all those morozov artillery tractors. I wish I had one. I'd ride it to school.

Heh. When I was at school I had dreams of owning a WWII vintage German halftrack. I thought that I might as well live in it, really.
Soon got bored of the idea, mind.
I don't know exactly what the future holds for offensive Drapoel military operations... it's moderately exciting, I suppose. Now there is actually room to employ flexability of forces. In the past it was obvious where the attack would come: everywhere. Now, who knows? Individual roads and mountain passes are of more importance, which, on the face of it, makes things disproportionately difficult for Dra-pol even though all parties have reduced their capacities. Of course, the defenders wouldn't be able to send reinforcements whever they wanted at the drop of a hat, either, having a more limited pool.
I forsee further headaches :) Not so much trouble keeping track of the impossible numerical scale of things, but still in trying to run an entire campaign without a military staff backing each of us up.

...you guys don't employ teams of generals, right? [looks worried]

In the LRRA, things are sort of run by teams of generals. The idea is to make the army as decentralized as possible, while still enabling it to effectively work in an offensive. That's why the regualr army has manouvers four times a year- to keep on task.

And I think, me being the larger nation, the scales in any future war for reunification are tipped somewhat in the favor of me and my modified polish equipment.

Hey.. this is Canada/Hudecia we're talking about.. we have almost as many officers as we do soldiers (note the size of a single Hudecian division is the size of some brigades in other nations)

LOL... in reality I have 4 brothers that I can count on to help lead me to disaster er... I mean... victory.. yes victory.. *hangs head in shame*

(note the size of a single Hudecian division is the size of some brigades in other nations)


Heh, Bonstocknian brigades are 5,000 strong, just like Hudecian divisions. That's with artillery and support troops. Bonstocknian divisions are 15,000 strong.

A note for Hudecian divisional commanders: When up against a Bonstocknian division, make sure you have two or more other divisions with you.

And those WWII-vintage tracked howitzers. Pretty cool, those were. And all those morozov artillery tractors. I wish I had one. I'd ride it to school.

Who cares about howitzers if you can drive to school in a Katyusha rocket launcher? That would be so cool... *starts daydreaming, and realizes its 11:30 PM*

...you guys don't employ teams of generals, right? [looks worried]

the standing requirement is for officer candidates to have three years of experience serving in their respective branches before entering the Officer Candidate School at the Imperial Military Academy. There is no way around this ban, as it has been a tradition for a few hundred years, except in times of war, when one or two years of experience (and a spotless record) may be taken and the candidate accepted.

sigh.. i guess i'm also sore at being outwitted. If you want, mayb we should throw this into the gutter and forget about it. After all, i suppose everyone misunderstood each other.

Who's up for a drink?

Heh, well, so long as most of you don't actually have teams of people helping you organise deployment and fluidity of forces I suppose I shall struggle by alone.
Erm. Yeah, drink would be fantastic. Lately, as in for a couple of weeks, I've only drunk in family settings as was deemed appropriate in funeral-related activities. I'm trying to decide whether it's more important to get drunk this weekend, or to get a haircut, because I'll be damned if I can afford both.
...In fact, screw the whole thing, I'm going to bed for once.

All officers are appointed by the next highest rank and so on.

6,000 within a brigade, 24,000 a division. Xiaguo keeps the army as central operated as possible, however, can break up efficiently in any circumstance. Human wave attacks have no value now, as Xiaguo has developed much mrore efficient weapons, and a never ending source from Sino.

The Royal Armed forces of China, Salute!

Haircuts?!?!?

*Hides under table*

I mean come on! I'm trying to grow a fro here.

But I spend most of my money on stuff like charity (100% of birthday donations have been given to MSF international), guitar stuff like picks, and...well...picks are the only thing that I can afford, and the occasional Hendrix album.

Who's up for a drink?

Amen, brother!

*Raises and eyebrow* Some of you have really bad tempers. Lets get this thing back on topic people!


@ Marimara: Grrrr! I'm going to find a way to really hurt you expansion one day... But that's purely OOC.

ICly @ Marimaia: Wonderful ideas! All of them! We, your ethnic Tai brothers rejoice at your and Myanmar's good fortune! We suggest the 'guided Democracy'
(All the better for us to undermine and destroy!)

*Raises and eyebrow* Some of you have really bad tempers. Lets get this thing back on topic people!


@ Marimara: Grrrr! I'm going to find a way to really hurt you expansion one day... But that's purely OOC.

ICly @ Marimaia: Wonderful ideas! All of them! We, your ethnic Tai brothers rejoice at your and Myanmar's good fortune! We suggest the 'guided Democracy'
(All the better for us to undermine and destroy!)

OOC:

Ah, you don't mean that really. C'mon, give us a cuddle. Why does everyone think I'm after more than Myanmar? Unless Marimaia is given a reason to attack someone else, they're staying put.

I do hope you're not regarding the NeoSuunist Prosperity Sphere as Bonstock mark II. Or Nazi Germany Asian-style. As long as others are friendly, Marimaia will just stay within her borders. For the foreseeable future, anyhoo.

I have started a new thread, here is the link.
http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=7262250&posted=1#post7262250
WWJD
Amen.

I do hope you're not regarding the NeoSuunist Prosperity Sphere as Bonstock mark II. Or Nazi Germany Asian-style.

ooc: Heh, I feel so good inside being the big imperialist...

ic:

Press release from Bonstocknian Department of Defense

Military Exercises in Maropian Coast and Northern Penninsular Malaysia

http://home.swipnet.se/~w-42039/strf90-3.jpg
On patrol with CV-90 IFVs of the 1st Mechanized Division, in Maropian Coast. A mile away, _Taiwanese troops glare at them from across the border.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/aircraft/images/c-17-98105trp.jpg
A C-17 of the 206th Airlift Wing drop paratroopers of the elite 6th Airborne Division north of Kuala Lumpur. These were the same paratroopers responsible for the Mergui massacre.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/aircraft/images/a-10-0SC002.JPG
A-10s of the 194th Tactical Fighter Wing strafe dummy targets, somewhere in Malaysia

http://www.aviation.ru/MiG/MiG-I-2000.jpg
A previously unheard of and still classified Bonstocknian aircraft is observed north of Singapore. It is seen fighting with, and defeating, Bonstocknian F-15 and JAS 39 agressors

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/ship/images/dd-21-view5.jpg
FRBS DD-306, a Ste. Evremonde class destroyer fires at a dummy target in the Straits of Malacca.

I invite everyone in The Modern World to post on the new thread, even if it is a refusal to participate. I am inviting everyone to take part in a diplomatic thread for Asia.
WWJD
Amen.

Bleh! Bleh bleh bleh bleh bleh!

Makes me sick, they do! Why would I want those? So I have the capacity to render a portion of god's green earth lifeless for years on end? Blasphemy!


God's Earth under Dra-pol ain't green but brown with human faeces. Hey dumbass, Sino uses them with conventional warheads in her conventional forces for precise and effective strikes against enemy command centers and high value, time-crtical targets.

So Bonsies hold Singapore (70% Chinese), we'll see how strong the lock is on the Dragon's cage and what General Liu's going to do with the key.

I really bloody don't get how Maramaia holds his nation together without ethnic cleansing? Considering that the races there are at each other's throats in real life.

I really bloody don't get how Maramaia holds his nation together without ethnic cleansing? Considering that the races there are at each other's throats in real life.

Economic success, a good standard of living and a single dominant ideology.

In RL, they may be "at each other's throats", but then again this isn't RL. It's all about different historical circumstances (which I have yet to flesh out properly, but give me time and all will become clear).

So Bonsies hold Singapore (70% Chinese), we'll see how strong the lock is on the Dragon's cage and what General Liu's going to do with the key.

Too bad Liu lost the key. Now it belongs to Bonstock.

And, in the sense of things, I've made Singapore the alternate Port Yuko. For my RPing, most of my 3 billion population will be in the "real" Bonstock, in Wysteria, which I'll just consider an alternate Earth. Port Yuko will be there, along with the majority of my military. There will be about 250 million people in the Asian version of Bonstock, in Malaysia, Singapore, and Indonesia.

And, just realizing this... I now have a stranglehold on the Straits of Malacca, and all the oil coming on ships from the Middle East, along with the only real route to Europe save the Panama canal...

*goes off and thinks*

We transport oil by train by 40% 50% by sea, and the rest, other transportation advances.

And BTW, Sino sells some of his South China Sea oil too. Our big fleets can easy form a protective line for out oil ships without much interference, as we already are doing, right you guys?

How can I get round to RPing in Asia?

Well, LRR is one of the world's most productive oil-producing nations, and in this world, my nation has far less dependence on Middle Eastern Oil, but much more on Hudecian and LRR oil.

As for Hogsweat, you really need to find an area you want to claim, make sure nobody that is currently recognised has claimed it already, and ask for permission, which is granted by general concensus for recognition. Upon recognistion, you will be allowed to participate as that nation in all further Modern World RPs.

WWJD
Amen.

Here is the list
Quinntonia - USA, 300 million
Quinntonian Dra-pol - Hamhung- 6 million
Hudecia - Canada-30 million
Spyr - Lyong Pen-60 million
LRR-Russia - 143 million(CIA Factbbok)
Marimaia - Thailand, Laos, Cambodia, Eastern Myanmar- 95 million
Union of Burma-rest of Myanmar, under Marimaian 'protection'-42 million
Dra-pol-N. Korea - 34 million
North Yaman - 15 million
Sangun-Vietnam - 82 million
Beth Gellert - 300 million (southern Indian Ocean, across from Madagascar, or perhaps Madagascar?)
Xiaguo - 700 million (Northern China, Mongolia, Xinjiang)
Sino - 600 million (Southern China)
Chuang-Han - 98 million
Taiwan - 28 million
S. Korea-Hudecia and LRR.
Bonstock-Indonesia, Singapore, and Malaysia -250 million
O & I- Japan- 127 million
Wulaishen-Phillipines-86 million

WWJD
Amen.

We depend on Sino for our oil, and of course, a lot from the middle east, but we don't really need to ship them.

Nevermind.

Claim submitted for approval!

Kanendru (Nepal): increasingly weak consitutional monarchy, population: 23 million