NationStates Jolt Archive

Thanks to a rapidly growing population, two super weapons programs, a revamped air force, and the combination of strong defense and education programs, Wyczestr's army now numbers 149 divisions.

Errr... Arber, them's fightin' words and I'm not much up for a fight, but I'll sure as hell explain myself. I wasn't present at the summit and as such I wasn't sure what 'positive bracket' referred to. I am just of the opinion that if a nation dedicates single-mindedly their budget to one thing, say 'Law & Order' as it is my nation, and that happens to be 'Defence' then yes, a bonus should be had. But if you are 'juggling' the demands, that means your focus isn't as great. If you are only 'juggling' 'Defence' then you shouldn't recieve a bonus of the same size as someone who is hyperfocusing. However, in the case of Hastania you are 'juggling' two augmention factors (Defence and Education in this case), so it makes sense that you recieve the same bonus as someone who hyperfocuses on one. This is not giving my nation any advantage whatsoever, and in fact it reduces Little Ossipee's army size considerably by a factor equal to what Hastania will be losing, and since their army is larger /anyhow/ they are loosing more actual troops, so this is actually stripping advantage from the side I'm rooting for.
Moreover, of course I'm interested in gaining a certain advantage. Seeing as I wasn't at the summit I like to get my two cents in after the fact. I'm still abiding by the ruling, and I just wanted to clarify what seemed a vague point in the rules that were set up (what 'positive bracket' refers to).
So please, avoid referring to my arguments as 'blatently' one way or the other (especially since this change will hurt 'my side' more than 'your side'). Sure I'm biased, everyone is, but I'm trying to back up everything I say with reason. If you have grounds to oppose me, feel free to, but make sure it's more than just an attack.

again i was mostly kidding dude, but reading it again it does look unfriendly sorry

I have no idea how to rp this so it's OOC:

I like Phil's idea but I'm not going to be around for this peaceful summit, as I have aforementioned. Unless you plan on delaying this a week, my 44 votes dedicated for global peace and disarmament, and also Juthopia still being under my control when I return.

In Character: Because The Eschaton's civil rights went from Unheard Of to Rare, the embargo between Juthopia and The Eschaton is no more. Juthopia hopes that its lion-jerky returns to shelves again.

Michael Wilson
Economic Advisor to the Premier of the Principality of Juthopia

Marklund would be willing to attend any summit which wished to establish and discuss the resolution put forward by the Eschaton. If it is to be put into action, there is some grey area we'd like to have clarified. This includes: specific definitions of "all due potency", "internal workings", and "method of governing". We would also like to know where such meetings are to held as we believe Eschaton is not a safe area for the representatives of all nations. We would also like to know how often meetings will be held, and whether or not a nation will be expected to adhere to anything passed at a meeting that they are not present for.

Little Ossipee will wholeheartedly agree to a peace keeping summit. We need something to help us keep the peace instead escalating to the point of actual war.

In other news, the Convoy is back on track to Conistonia.

The location of the summit the Eschaton suggests is in the Protectorate of Exponents, a nation that has upheld its position of neutrality nobly. We leave it to the Protectorate to decided the precise location, and will comply. In reply to Marklund's desire for clarification we shall make more plain the meaning of the 'grey' words.
'all due potency' shall be defined at the meeting, by the nations present. It shall be up to the law-abiding members to decide how to enforce the laws that have been violated by lawless members. We hope good sense will always prevail in this case, and leave it to the combined wisdom of the region's nations.
'internal workings' refers to the domestic policy and intranational governance of a nation. We have no interest in setting up a body that will dictate internal affairs, and believe it should serve the purpose which the UN should keep itself to: the management of international affairs, particularly in order to avoid war.
'method of governing' is similar to the above 'internal workings'. The council we hope to erect has no place dictating a people's way of life, or the government they employ. This is not a council of conformity, but rather a collective of nations set upon peace.
As to those nations who refuse to attend, they will not be required to comply with the resolutions. This also means the council has no obligation nor even power to prevent them from being exploited. However, we think it would be extremely bad form for a nation to refuse to represent their interests and to fail to take part in a meeting designed for nothing more than peace and reduction of hostilities. The arms race that resulted from a series of simple, however poorly thought out, sactions shows just how essentially unstable our region is, and this council shall exist to bring a stability and peace that may be stronger than that which has preceded it.
<signed> The Twenty-three CEOs of the Eschaton

My nation would be honored to serve as host to this new summit. We commend the idea and wholeheartly support this as long as it will help secure peace throughout our region. This will tentatively take place tomorrow at 4 P.M. and all nations of our region are invited. It is our hope that all of the nations will appear and have their voice heard so we can avoid future arguments.

"In Jammin's Name"
- Duran Chase, foreign Minister of the Protectorate of exponents

I didn't say anything about a nation refusing to attend a meeting. My question was in reference to a meeting a nation is not present for. Lets say they were unable to get an ambassador there in time or somehow they were not informed of the meeting in time. Essentially, if a nation is not present for any reason beyond their control, are they still liable for decisions made while they are absent. There is also the fact that most of the terms are still poorly defined. We would like one of the following to be done. Either a list of specific aspects of government which are included in "internal workings" and "method of government" or a list of actions which is not included in those which will state that all actions not explicity stated on the list are included in the two former categories. In addition, my sanctions are hardly poorly thought out. The escalation is hardly my fault, the Eschaton's allies chose their own courses of action I did not force their hands. In addition, many nations have existed while being sanctioned for decades and those sanctions were from economically powerful nations. An example would be Cuba and the United States. Cuba nor its allies ever resorted to war with the United States, and if Cuba or an Ally declared war on the US the US would not be held responsible for that action.

Hastania has some concerns to the location of the meeting. As you all know Exponents does have a crime problem. What is there to stop a terrorist attack?

If any one nation is unable to attend, and cannot be said to somehow cast its votes despite its absence, no voting should be undertaken, though resolutions can be put forward and seconded, giving time to debate the validity of the given resolution.
The exact limits of the council's power shall be set out in stone at the meeting, but for now let it be known that the Eschaton will only continue its support of this, its own proposition, as long as it is assured that the council's powers will be limited /strictly/ to resolutions that monitor the interaction between nations; this includes the creation of defence forces and weaponry, since weapons of war are meant for use against other nations (for whatever reason) and excludes the institutions of standards of any kind for any nation's domestic affairs, such as their economy, though matters of international trade are still legitimate areas of influence.
And whilst we so not wish to volley the point, the Twenty-three believe Marklund might not find a particularly large number of people who would charaterize the sanctions on Cuba, or in fact the entire practice of 'Containment' during the famed Cold War, as 'well thought out'.
Last, we wish to make it clear that we place no blame on any nation for the escalation, as Marklund seems to believe we have in their last declaration. We cite merely the triggering event, which was indeed the sanctions and censure erected against our nation and its free market ordained leadership.
Our hopes for prosperity and peace.
<signed> The Twenty-three CEOs of the Eschaton

My govenment would like to assure other nations that our crime "problem" as other nations might describe it is not nearly as severe as you may fear. The premise for the meeting will be secured by portions of the newly formed Praetorian Guard that was created during the recent strife. In addition we will provide escorts to the summit location which will be kept secret until the last moment. In addition the majority of the Protectorate's crime is youth related and we hardly regard it as crime. I can gurarentee Hastania that the Protectorate will follow its name and protect the well being of any individuals who will visit.

"In Jammin's Name"
- Duran Chase

Hastania is willing to attend the conference only if a small number of elite troops escort the first citizen, attached with a bomb squad.

Very well, but you must understand if we make this concession there will still be a few rules. Firstly all nations will be allowed to bring a small bodyguard, but they will not be allowed in the conference room itself, they will be forced to remain in adjacent rooms, and the Protectorate will remove any individuals that seem to be provoking conflict or doing suspicious activities.

"In Jammin's Name"
- Duran Chase

The terms are exeptebe
ooc i might be a little late

Wyczestr's Foreign Minister Reinhardt von Hoerbeck will attend the summit in the Protectorate of Exponents.

Seeing how this is a very important vote, the Emperor shall attend this meeting this afternoon.

you know who i am, so do i realy need to say bogenbergs entire title?

attached is the conference transcript.

The Protectorate feels that this is a new beginning for peace and stability in our region.
Thank you to all nations who attended

The government of the People's Republic of Conistonia would like to put forth a draft charter for the organization discussed at the recent summit. We welcome discussion and changes to the charter so that it will be acceptable to all nations. We hope this will be the beginning of a long era of peace and prosperity for all nations.

The People's Republic of Marklund would like to announce that we find the Charter proposed by Conistonia to be fully acceptable and put our full support behind it.

Little Ossipee as well finds the charter acceptable.

The Protectorate of Exponents gladly and warmly endorses the draft and we appreciate the effort the fledgling Conistonia has spent creating this document.

In "Jammin's" Name
-Duran Chase

The Empire of Wyczestr will also lend its endorsement to Conistonia's proposal.

Using its circular route, travelling through friendly nations, the convoy of military materiels has finally reached Coniston, where it has been distributed to their army.

The leader of the convoy, Dirk Jensen, gives his apologies for the delays, and anyone that they might have inconvenienced.

Soon after the troops unload the trucks, they will be on their way, back to Ossipee.

OOC: I'm back. The weather was great!

IC:

Juthopia finds the text of the charter reasonable and Juthopia believes that it will restore peace to the tensioned land that is Menotomy. Juthopia ratifies the charter.

Premier Walter Richelieu
Principality of Juthopia

The Charter for the OSM has been reviewed by the Cruhadi consuls and senate and has been accepted. We hope that this new organization can bring peace to Menotomy.

In other news, Barry Al-Dar and Rahman Al'Saud have been almost unanimously elected as consuls. Their party also did well in the elections for the senate holding a 63/37 majority.

Marcus Faraj, Foreign Minister of Cruhad

I have read and agree with the charter presented. May there be an ever-lasting peace in our region.

Marklund would like to propose that another summit be held. In this summit we can make an official vote to ratify the draft charter and then we can hold the first official OSM Meeting. I understand that some people are away at college right now so I'm leaving the date open so that people can post when they think the best time would be. I also leave the host open to suggestion.

JUTHOPIA NEWS

DELTA CITY, August 29: In two secret public plebiscites, the Juthopian public voted to eliminate the symbolic position of the Prince of Juthopia to change the Premier position to hold both positions, and to create elections for the Premier every year, making Juthopia a Premiership. Walter Richelieu was promptly voted out of office, and Dave Wellington is the new premier. Wellington promises more political freedoms in the upcoming weeks for the populace.

Will Toulon, Correspondent

OOC: The political map link died... can you repost the map? Or better yet, host it somewhere else?

The Protectorate has recently become a lot more cool and awesome, reflected of course in the change of its name. It is pretty awesome to be jamtastic

The new Juthopian government is proud to be Menotomy's UN delegate. Although everyone's views in Menotomy are different, Juthopian will lead any country that desires a better Menotomy to peace and prosperity.

Dave Wellington
Premier of the Premiership of Juthopia

Conistonia Tribune
Early this morning an unmarked white, loaded with explosives exploded outside the Cruhad embassy. Eyewitnesses say that embassy guards ordered the van to stop. When it ignored them, they shot out it's tires bringing it to a stop as it skidded into the gates outside the building. There, it detonated killing the van driver and one embassy guard. Another guard was slightly injured, and there was superficial damage to the embassy building.
Conistonia quickly issued a statement condemning the attacks, and vows to find anyone else involved in the plot, and bring them to justice.

In response to the attempted bombing of the Cruhadi embassy in Conistonia, Cruhadi officials request Conistonian oermission to send agents to conduct an investigation of this event. We would like to assure the Conistonian government that these agents will not interfere and leave once their task is complete

Hakim Abdulla
Cruhadi Law Enforcement Chief

Little Ossipee dedicates all the troops in the region to helping find and take down these terrorists. This will delay the return of the convoy until Conistonia releases the troops from duty.

The Empire of Oltramar would like to offer any services it can provide to the capture of the terrorists that attacked the Cruhadi Embassy

The Peoples Republic of Conistonia welcomes Cruhad to run it's own investigation. We appreciate the other generous offers made by our neighbors, but we currently do not need outside help in our investigation. If the need arises, we will not hesitate to ask.

-- Colin Forbs, Minister for communication

((I will be AFK for the next 3 days. Orientation camping type stuff. Good luck y'all...))

I would like to thank Conistonian officials for allowing an investigation. Agents are on their way now. I would also like to thank Oltramar and Little Ossipee for their support.

-Hakim Abdulla
Cruhad Law Enforcement Chief

Hastania would like to take the time to offer it's condolences to the victims of the terrorist attack. We would also like to congradulate juthopia on becoming the region's new UN deligate

Juthopia is angry about the attack against the embassy in Conistonia, but Juthopia hopes that these criminals will find justice. Juthopia also thanks Hastania for the congratulations, and promises that Juthopia will try its hardest at making Menotomy the best it can be.

Dave Wellington
Premier of Juthopia

I'll be away for the next few days.

Wez Lemonade Stickups claim responsibilitez for theze terroistizm attackz on youz guyz embazzy. You will tremblez or submit to ourz guyz lemony religion

In response to the attacks by the Lemonade Stickups Terrorists the People of Marklund have resolved to add additional emphasis on freedom of religion to our educational system. We suggest that all nations follow our lead because youth who believe in freedom of religion will not persecute others for their beliefs. Over time, these terrorists will have no new followers.

After the announcement by Lemonade Stickups, stating that they were responsible for the bombing of the Cruhad embassy in Conistonia, the Cruhadi people have been outraged. In an emergency session the Cruhadi senate passed a resolution placing a trade embargo on the Theocracy of Lemonade stickups. This resolution was given approval by both consuls and has become law.

One senator was heard saying: "We cannot allow attacks on out people, whether they be on our soil or another."

The free world will not submit to terrorism from an organized nation; however, an embargo may create the situation we have experienced in the past. Juthopia proposes that Lemonade Stickups allows a UN inspection for dangerous weapons and terrorist encampments and be allowed to disarm them. If this is not allowed by Lemonade Stickups, they are blocking all roads except to an invasion to prevent such attacks from occuring again.

Wallace Peterburg, Foreign Minister
Premiership of Juthopia

The Emperor Hans-Heinrich II and the Parliament of The Empire of Wyczestr condemn the actions taken by the Theocracy of Lemonade Stickups. The entire staff of the aforementioned nation's embassy has been placed under house arrest and will not be permitted to leave the premises of the Embassy until a solution to has been reached. We strongly suggest that the TLS hand over those responsible for the attack to the Cruhadi and Conistonian forces, renounce their policy of state terrorism, and pay reparations to the governments of Cruhad and Conistonia, as well as to the survivors of the attack and the families of those killed. Non compliance by the Theocracy will result in the expulsion of that nation's ambassador from Wyczestr and an embargo on the Theocracy's export goods.

OOC: is there an up to date map with Lemonade Stickups, Sokodia, and Orthos?

According to recent studies conducted by the Mhon Academy of Government on local second and third graders by adding a small dose of LSD to snack time cookies and then releasing the children to take a Benevolent Nap-Time of Bushi Mhon during which the children conducted State Approved Faith Building Exercises such as Meditation, Prayer Circles, and Marathons of Animated Episodes from the Bushi Mhon (Bushi Mhon's religious text) resulted in a fourteen percent increase in the children becoming members of the illustrious Soldiers of Mhon, a right wing party dedicated to the proposition of a Supreme Marriage of Religion and Military. These findings were not realised to anyone outside of the Mhon Institution of Mental Development within Bushi Mhon, however a group of globally minded Unionists found it necessary to tell other governments about the most glorious Discovery.

"...and They found upon that most Great Mountain the true gift of Knowledge could only be found in Ignorance." -Bushi Mhon

ooc - Lemonade stickups is not! repeat not a country.

it is a representation of a crime syndicate/cult that is located in the region in various nations. Thus economic sanctions will not help, and religious freedom will not necessarily bring a stop to the recruits. If you offer freedom or religion we will be free to gain members and also as a terrorist group conventional war will not work. We have major holdings where ever lemonade is sold. We also do not have embassies, there are possibly places in which their operations can be disrupted but that is only with security forces. in addition as we exist with in other countries unknown for the most part we do not exist on a map.

Teaching freedom of religion will work because the lemonade stickups terrorist actions are based upon the idea that everyone should submit to their religion. If they recruit new members who believe that anyone should be able to believe what they wish then those members will not join the terrorist aspect and thus little by little the religion will become a regular non-extremist religion.

that isn't always the case, lots of people pick religions that are extreme, and it isn't because they don't have another choice or religious freedom, some people simply believe in extremism.

The Twenty-three are shocked at this henious terrorist action and condemn it entirely. In the interests of stemming what may be a growing terrorist threat, the Eschaton is instituting a total information program in which all citizens and their movements shall be tracked. Armed with this new tool, we shall be able to weed out terrorism in our midst.

<signed> The Twenty-three

-newsbrief-
In other news, in a recent upsurge of national tradition, the Twenty-three CEOs have granted themselves the honorary titles of 'Seers', calling back the ancient Eschatonic way and state religion. As such, what was once the 'Holy Empire', a name set up by the second Eschatonic regime in days of yore now bears the first name of its recorded history: 'The Ancient and Illuminated Seers'. The Twenty-three state publicly that this will in no way change their policy, and that it is merely a way of honoring their nation's proud beginnings.

In response to the Theocracy of Lemonade Stickups announcing their blame in the recent attacks upon the Cruhadi embassy, I, Matthew Calger, have put a ban on any and all Lemonade related items sold within Oltramar. Through video servailance systems already in place, we will attempt to track down members of this Theocracy. and bring them to justice.

Juthopia proposes that Menotomy creates a nationwide "Religious Education Fund", where nations may draw off money to educate their populace that all religions are to be respected and that none are better than any other. Juthopia will donate 1,000,000 schillings to the fund. Any nation who would like to join, please say so.

Arthur Lawson, Cultural Advisor
Premiership of Juthopia

Using Cruhad's mighty police force, we will track down all terrorists before they can strike. We will be vigilant. Training has already begun for some CT units. Before long Lemonade Stickups will be just a bad memory.

-Hakim Abdullah, Cruhadi Law Enforcement Chief

The police and national guard reserves of Wyczestr have been placed on heightened alert. Special forces have been deployed to raid suspected "safe houses" of Lemonade Stickups terrorists. Wyczestr's parliament has declared the Religion of the Lemonade Stickups a cult, making it illegal in the Empire of Wyczestr. All of those affiliated with the Theocracy in Wyczestr will be immediately deported, perhaps to Marklund or Juthopia, as they seem so anxious to embrace these spiritual deviants.

The Little Ossipean government refuses to teach any sory of religion in it's schools, due to the extreme seperation of church and state, and condemns anythat do as puppet states that are indoctrinating their children in religious persicution. There is no way that religionscan be fairly taught, there will always be biases, always be predjudices, everyone knows it, so Little Ossipee will refuse tosupport any religious organizations that try and influence any of our citizens.

OOC - It's good to have the internet back.

Juthopia proposes that Menotomy creates a nationwide "Religious Education Fund", where nations may draw off money to educate their populace that all religions are to be respected and that none are better than any other. Juthopia will donate 1,000,000 schillings to the fund. Any nation who would like to join, please say so.

Arthur Lawson, Cultural Advisor
Premiership of Juthopia


To found a doctrine of complete acceptance for all religions is foolish. Not discerning between violent terrorist cults and Most Benevolent Religious movements will result in a situation where equal treatment is given to violent zealots and sage priests. In truth a ranking of Religions would serve the Region well by allowing Governments to single out harmful cults and would allow new explosive levels of Converts to more honest established Houses of God.

- York Mhon
Sheriff of Religion of Bushi Mhon

To found a doctrine of complete acceptance for all religions is foolish. Not discerning between violent terrorist cults and Most Benevolent Religious movements will result in a situation where equal treatment is given to violent zealots and sage priests. In truth a ranking of Religions would serve the Region well by allowing Governments to single out harmful cults and would allow new explosive levels of Converts to more honest established Houses of God.

- York Mhon
Sheriff of Religion of Bushi Mhon

A ranking of religions is exactly what the region does not need. The religious education fund teaches children that there is no "right" religion, that all should be respected, and that you should not stereotype people for their religions and should not make fun of certain people for their religions or their absence of religious believe. The fund does not teach religions and that they should believe in that religion, it teaches acceptance. Although Juthopia strongly disagrees with the terrorist actions of Lemonade Stickupists, Juthopia agrees with Marklund:

Teaching freedom of religion will work because the lemonade stickups terrorist actions are based upon the idea that everyone should submit to their religion. If they recruit new members who believe that anyone should be able to believe what they wish then those members will not join the terrorist aspect and thus little by little the religion will become a regular non-extremist religion.
Attacking terrorists will not stop them, it shall encourage them. Juthopia is on heightened alert because of the terrorists attacks, however, we are not supporting or conducting any attacks against terrorists.

Arthur Lawson, Cultural Advisor
Premiership of Juthopia

Why should we accept their so called religion? This "religion" attacks civilians! It should not be allowed. Teaching acceptance shall only make people more eager to join the ranks of these terrorists. Acceptance is one step closer to being part of something. The Premiership may do what it wants, but Cruhad will root out these terrorists. Lest you forget that we were attacked. No, we shall not accept what our enemies are doing to us.

Signed,
Barry Al-Dar
Rahman Al'Saud
Consuls of Cruhad

Saying that Lemonade Stickups attacks civilians is like saying that Christians are bad because they attacked Islam during the crusades. I can cite more examples, but this religious stereotype is the reason Juthopia created the Religious Education Fund.

Arthur Lawson, Cultural Advisor
Premiership of Juthopia

Lemonade Stickups is not a religion with peaceful adherents such as Islam or Christianity. It is a self-professed crime syndicate and cult. It si inherently violent. Teaching acceptance of their violent ways will only bring new recruits.

Although Cruhad is mainly an Islamic country, we accept other, as York Mhon put it, "Benevolent Religions". Lemonade Stickups is not a Benevolent religion. It is a terrorist group that has attacked Cruhadi citizens, and will likely strike again. They must be stopped.

Signed,
Barry Al-Dar
Rahman Al'Saud
Consuls of Cruhad

(OOC) We seem to have a discrepency going on here. Some of us assume that Lemonade Stickups is comparable to Al-Quaida. A small minority aspect of a larger religion, whereas others are assuming that this group is the entire religion. Can the player who controls this "nation" please tell us which assumption is correct so that we can properly roleplay this situation.

Agreeing with Ian, I think that Lemonade Stickups contradicts itself. It says it's better than our non-lemon religions, or something of that nature, and then says it is a cult. Is it a religion or a cult?

We denounce the Lemonade Stickups as a fringe group of extremists. The problem with this region is not that we are not religiously tolerant, it is that we are TOO religiously tolerant. If certain governments had more control over their people, then we wouldn't have problems like these extremists.

I propose banning the teaching of all religions in every country, to help protect us from more attacks on our nations. I believe that this counts as an "International" affair because it concerns not only people in Constitonia, (ooc - sorry about butchering your natin's name over and over again Nate), but Cruhadi people, and whoever might be attacked next by these lunatics. We need strong action taken against these people, and Little Ossipee finds this to be the best plan of action to take.

The great People of Bushi Mhon could not survive without Religion and Order. To take their faith would be fatal. Bushi Mhon must declare itself against any such thought, hope, or action.

- York Mhon
Sheriff of Religion of Bushi Mhon

We, the People of Marklund, find the concept of banning religion to be absurd. Although we are dominantly an Aethiest society, we do believe that any and all people have the right to think and believe what they wish. In addition, banning the religion will just lead to it gaining more followers. An idea cannot be killed with physical action of any kind. Only ideas can fight other ideas and this is why we believe that education is the key to success in this situation. An informed populace will know better than to join a group such as this.

Second, we would like to know exactly what is that this group is looking to accomplish. Is it land, religious dominance, or perhaps an end to the persecution of its people? There must be some reason why it is fighting, we would like to know what that reason is.

-Parokif Kellanit, Official Voice of the People of Marklund

OOC:ooc - Lemonade stickups is not! repeat not a country.

it is a representation of a crime syndicate/cult that is located in the region in various nations.

That should answer Marklund and Juthopia's question.

IC: Cruhad cannot ban teaching of all religion, we shall just not teach of this so called religion. You cannot do evil things and protect it with religion.

Mohammed Ruhul
-Cruhad Chief of Education

The Ancient and Illuminated Seers of the Eschaton, who are one and the same as the Twenty-three great ordained CEOs will not be partaking in any religious innovation. Our faith, the Church of the Eschaton, State funded and State approved, has endured in some form since this nation's inception and has founded the principals on which this country is built. We have no intention of teaching new religions, save in our numerous 'marketing to foriegn powers' classes. We believe it is the right of a nation to define its own faith, just as it is that nation's right to define its own government and it is not the business of their neighbors to interfere in the manner this faith is implemented.
We, the Twenty-three, concede, however, that a religion does not have the right to infringe on the rights of other non-adherents, just as a nation has no right to infringe on the rights of other nations. As such we condemn the actions of the 'Theocracy' and believe it is perfectly within the rights of any and all members of the region to take any and all means required to preserve the safety of their populace and economic structure.
In the interests of such action, we propose a meeting of the members of our recently formed council, under the rules of emergency meeting as set forth by Conostonia in order to decide what steps the international community shall take in order to prevent further harm to innocents.
Peace, Prosperity, Ewige Blumenkraft!
<Signed> The Twenty-three Ancient and Illuminated Seers and CEOs of the Eschaton.

Wez Lemonade Stickups claim responsibilitez for theze terroistizm attackz on youz guyz embazzy. You will tremblez or submit to ourz guyz lemony religion
This leads me to believe that Lemonade Stickups is a religion with some extremists, which almost any religion has.
ooc - Lemonade stickups is not! repeat not a country.
it is a representation of a crime syndicate/cult that is located in the region in various nations.
This counters the earlier argument. I think that, instead of having a major argument over interpretation, we should cease taking sides until Lemonade Stickups clears this up.

The Peoples Republic of Conistonia has begun an intensive sweep of the nation, using four of their five Cohorts, looking for any terroriost opperations that are runnig within the country. Curfews have been imposed, and boarders have been
locked down untill the search is complete. Any terrorists found will be treated without mercy.
-- Mike Clemens, High Commander of the Armed forces of Conistonia

ooc-for the religion there is no difference between any of the beliefs, they are all insane nutcases who believe their belief in lemons and explosives will make them go to the lemon fields of magnificent Fritas and they convert others through force and programming

With new information received from the Juthopian special agents, Juthopia has changed their policy with Lemonade Stickups. It is considered a terrorist group and we are relying on many informational sources to root out this enemy. The Religious Education Fund no longer includes Lemonade Stickups as a religious organization, although the fund is still open for any nation interested in allowing religious tolerance throughout their nation.

Thomas Tompkins, Director of the Juthopian Intelligence Agency
Premiership of Juthopia

A representative of Cruhad will be sent to the meeting proposed by The Eschaton if a time and place are provided.

Marcus Fajj,
Cruhad Foreign Minister

I wish to remind people that because of tolerance, The Lemonade Stickups has been allowed to flourish as both a cult and a crime syndicate. I also would like to remind people that, because of this religious tolerance, a threat has been allowed to grow under the guise of being a "religion". People allowing these types of extremist groups to grow in their country should be branded as giving aid to these religious supremacists.

I would also like to show that by not allowing any religion to be practiced in my country, I am not persicuting anyone. If you ban one religion, you should ban them all. That is all I have to say.

ooc - gimme a time and a place, I'll try to get there.

Although Juthopia does not support the Lemonade Stickups cult, it will not allow itself to be targeted indirectly as a terrorist harbor.
I wish to remind people that because of tolerance, The Lemonade Stickups has been allowed to flourish as both a cult and a crime syndicate.
The terrorist attack occurred in Cruhad, a nation with a state-supported religion. There is no evidence of a major Lemonade Stickups operation in Juthopia.
I also would like to remind people that, because of this religious tolerance, a threat has been allowed to grow under the guise of being a "religion". People allowing these types of extremist groups to grow in their country should be branded as giving aid to these religious supremacists.

OOC: You aren't going to drop that leverage as a misunderstanding ever, are you?
IC: Juthopia would like to attend the meeting, but the Premier and his advisors are going to Camp Aaron, a meeting place in rural Juthopia, to discuss other matters of state (I'm going on a camping trip).

Premier Dave Wellington
Premiership of Juthopia

OOC: Attack happened in Conistonia against Cruhadi embassy, not in Cruhad.

To the horror of many, recent footage released to various media has shown that the group know as Lemonade Stickups has succesfully mutated girls who sell lemonade into mutated tentacled creatures. It is unknown what these insane maniacs will use these new mutant forces to do.

The Empire of Wyczestr extends an offer of unlimited military aid to any state combatting the Lemonade Stickups cult. Our police have been ordered to arrest and interrogate anyone seen selling lemonade on the street or in any outlet except Wyczestr's state-sponsored retailers. We will not wait for the terror of the Lemonade Stickups to befall our nation, but will take the initiative and amputate this dangerous foreign body from our society rather than face the same fate as Conistonia and Cruhad.

Security within our nation is being raised to find and imprison any and all members of this organization within our borders. They will be punished for being associated with this syndacite that dares call itself a religon.

In response to recent attacks the Cruhadi Police Force has recieved a major funding increase, and watcheyes are being installed in Public areas. Hopefully now we can fight the Lemonade mencace.

Hakim Abdullah,
Cruhadi Law Enforcement Chief

The Peroples Republic of Conistonia perposes a meeting of all nations in the region to discuss possable methods of countering the lemonaid menece. We offer to host the meeting, if a time can be agreed on. Until then, we will continue to hunt down any suspected lemonaid activity in our nation. All security measures will remain in place until we are sure the threathas been removed.

DELTA CITY TRIBUNE

DELTA CITY, September 6: The Juthopia Intelligence Agency has caught multiple suspects in the Lemonade Stickups cult, although all of them are using their 91st Section rights and using their right to not speak. It is likely that they will be released because of the lack of enough evidence to put the case in front of the underfunded judicial commitee of Juthopia in time before the JIA is forced to release the suspects. The hunt for evidence continues across Juthopia.
Will Toulon, Correspondent

Due to a brief crisis in government we have been unable to deal with international bussiness over the past couple of days. A small group of computer hackers had banded together to thwart our electoral process. They nearly succeded but our expert anti-hackers were able to stop them. We believe that this may only be a cell in a larger organisation that is bent on overthrowing democratic governments regionwide through fraudulent voting practices. We suggest all nations to be on the lookout.

In addition, we will be sending a representative to any regionwide meetings that take place if we are able. Please put a date and time out there.

(OOC: I got to college saturday and hadn't had network access til monday so i wasn't able to do any internet stuff. And i've been busy almost all 24 hours a day with people. I'll try to make time for any of our stuff though.)

As soon as a date and time are announced, i will now if i will be able to attend a regional meeting.

ooc:Any time is good really, i have nothing but school going on soon.

Has anyone updated the political map yet? Anyone? We gots new nations now....

What is and what isn't considered godmodding in the hunt for Lemonade Stickupists?

What is and what isn't considered godmodding in the hunt for Lemonade Stickupists?
Telegram them and ask.

Shawn you lazy &^% :cool: fine.

Lemonade Stickups was informed that this message will be posted, regarding godmodding:

well you should first state that you've found a suspected member, and depending on the country would it be trial or exectution or disapperance
and it will be interesting if i then confirm or deny it? I don't know

Moding: breaking the rules in a roleplaying game

Godmoding: same as moding but to a more extreme degree and often including performing actions that you cannot actually peform such as things that affect someone else that you may not necessarilly be in a position to perform

Moding: breaking the rules in a roleplaying game

Godmoding: same as moding but to a more extreme degree and often including performing actions that you cannot actually peform such as things that affect someone else that you may not necessarilly be in a position to performAnd that helps our present delemma, which is actually solved, how?

First of all its reference for everyone and second it applies to the situation because it shows that affecting lemonade was godmoding on juthopias part

First of all its reference for everyone and second it applies to the situation because it shows that affecting lemonade was godmoding on juthopias part
But Lemonade already responded... Lemonade gave them permission to do what they wanted, and they would reply.

Taking initiative here...

How's 4 PM on saturday for the lemonade meeting, parliamentary AIM style?

4pm is a really bad time for me....actually, Saturday is a really bad time for me. If you can manage any other day, that would be great, if not I'll live.

Dude I ain't spending my weekend doing nation states. I am motherfucking in college.

What do people think of monday, 7pm for the meeting?

I'll try my best to make it to the meeting, whenever it is. No promises though, not until about 5 mnutes before the meeting.



NEWS FLASH
The Emperor of Oltramar has formerly announced that he is no longer to be called Matthew Calger by anyone, save a few close friends. His title will strictly be his name to all who speak of him. The Emperor.

Some of us have lives and also have homework, so during the week won't work. Are you sure the weekend won't work?

sunday is ok, just not saturday....maybe sunday night sometime

I'll try my best to make it to the meeting, whenever it is. No promises though, not until about 5 mnutes before the meeting.



NEWS FLASH
The Emperor of Oltramar has formerly announced that he is no longer to be called Matthew Calger by anyone, save a few close friends. His title will strictly be his name to all who speak of him. The Emperor.
You totally stole that idea from me.

You totally stole that idea from me.

Lies. I stole it from Warhammer 40,000

Hastania now has 8 orbital weapons and 2 nuklear

We are deeply concerned by the super weapons being built by Hastania and other nations. At the same time, we realize that such weapons are here to stay. We have no wish to infringe on other nations internal affairs. Therefore, in an effort to secure the well being of our nation, the Peoples Republic of Conistonia will begin a program to develop a nuclear weapons program. This is considered a priority for our state. Funding has therefore been temporarily diverted from a number of other programs so that we may move forward with all possible speed. We would like to repeat that this should in no way be perceived as a threat to other nations, it is simply to provide for the defense of our nation.

-- Mike Clemens, High Commander of the Armed forces of Conistonia

In the interest of preventing a regional arms race, Wyczestr urges Hastania to freeze its manufacturing of nuclear warheads. Our strategic missile command currently has two nuclear weapons armed as a deterrent, and we continue to process uranium and plutonium, but we unilaterally pledge not to develop or deploy any new nuclear weapons. We encourage Hastania and Conistonia to respond in kind.

OOC - is there anyone we need to add to the map?

IC - Due to the recent escalation in arms in nations such as Hastania, Little Ossipee has threatened supplying fundamentalists inside of Hastania to 'take care of' the problem, if Hastania doesn't do it themselves.

In other news, Little Ossipee's army has risen in numbers, and has a heightened alert level, including the troops that are helping hunt down the Stickups in Conistonia.

The Ancient and Illuminated Seers of the Eschaton wish to express their concern with the continued militarization of space. The Eschatonic military has installed their own orbital defense network at great expense, but as space becomes more and more filled with dangerous weapons we are beginning to doubt the wisdom of joining this orbital arms race. In fact, the Ancient and Illuminated Seers would like to propose their first resolution: the demilitarization of space and the total conversion of orbital weapons platforms to near earth object defense satillites. We should not allow space, the only place within our reach not yet divided amongst the world's nations, to become a warzone. Who will stand with us against the escalation of extra-atmospheric weaponry?
<signed> The Twenty-three CEOs of the Eschaton
Ewige Blumenkraft!

The Cruhadi senate has passed a bill ackknowledging The Eschaton's request, and have decided to convert their orbital defense satelites into near earth object defense, as long as all other nations with orbital weapons agree to also take them down.

-Marcus Fajj
Cruhad Foreign Minister

A test of a nuclear weapon being developed by the Peoples Republic of Conistonia went dramatically wrong yesterday. The test weapon, a warhead 1/1000th the size of a normal nuclear warhead detonated as it was being shipped to its desert test site. Because the waepon was almost at the site when it detonate, no civilians were harmed. However scores of military personal died, the test site was destroyed and the entire are was contaminated. Nuclear cleanup units were immediatly dispatcehd, the area was cordoned off, and civilians were ordered to keep away. Conistonia issued a call to all nations to send clean-up units to help with this catastrophe.

The People of Marklund are fully in fabor of demilitarization of super powerful weapons such as orbital batteries, but we are only willing to do so if all such weapons are disarmed by all nations in the region. As it stands Marklund has 3 Orbital Weapons platforms and 1 nuclear weapons system in place. We will remove all of them all long as every nation in the region is willing to do the same. We feel that if only one type of weapon is disarmed then the nations who have concentrated in the other type will become overly powerful and the delicate balance in place right now will be tipped.

-Parokif Kellanit, Official Voice of the People of Marklund

The Eschaton, which has recently built its own orbital weapons platform at great expense, will commense permanent conversion procedures as soon as all fellow nations agree to follow suit. We believe it should be Hastania's duty, as a peace loving nation, to show a great gesture of faith by converting their own considerably weapons grid with all possible speed. This region will breath easier once the threat of orbital death has been permanently done away with.
The Twenty-three are not, however, requesting nuclear disarmament. That is a province of military defense within the countries themselves and therefore none of our business. Space, however, is a neutral zone and weapons placed there, due to their near unlimited range, are of concern to every nation in the region. Our view on orbital disarmament is adament. We hope all nations will relieve the grave threat of orbital weaponry, and their blatent illegitamacy as devices of defence. The effect of money spent on defense in other, less aggressive forms, would be far greater. Orbital weapons, with their near unlimited range and godlike view of the region, are object of aggressive war and must not be tolerated in neutral territory.
<signed> The Twenty-three

Little Ossipee has started dismantling their orbital weaponry systems as you read this. They are being converted to surveillance of near-earth objects. We urge all other countries to follow suit, and do as we have. We also oppose the dismantling of Nuclear, and other weapons of mass distruction, seeing how they have less of a use for pre-emtive strikes.

~Signed
Shawn M.

Just for people to know - Ossipee's army is now at 13,820,000 troops with the orbitals being dismantled.

Juthopia is willing to disarm its nuclear program and our other unconventional warhead projects. However, Juthopia's Orbital Laser Defenses, designed to take out ICBM's, will remain in airspace. Juthopia assures that our OLD's do not possess enough firepower or range to threaten anyone on the ground. This is not an act of aggression, for these have been in space since the Burgian war.

Robert Kamagashi
Defense Minister to the Premier of Juthopia

We believe that nuclear weapons are every bit as aggressive and dangerous as orbital weapons and nuclear weapons have to alternative nor defensive purpose. Orbital weapons like Juthopia's have a purpose that is not offensive. We believe that the Eschaton's movement towards orbital disarmament is merely a ploy to vastly decrease Hastania and its Allies military abilities since these nations have relied more on orbital weapons than nuclear. The People of Marklund voted earlier today and in an unbelievable 97% majority they have decided that no weapon of mass destruction will be disarmed in Marklund unless all nations in the region agree to disarm all weapons of mass destruction.
Parokif Kellanit, Official Voice of the People of Marklund

OOC - ICBMs have been banned by us for use in the RP, only TACTICAL nuclear warheads are allowed in the RP, rendering Juthopia's orbital defensive program useless. Therefore they should remove any advantage they receive militarily from their troop count. The reason we added the orbital lasers to the troop count at all was because they were to be used in COMBAT.

Juthopia said it. our OLD's do not possess enough firepower or range to threaten anyone on the ground. It's defensive, having no advantages for actual assault. No affect on troops, no affect on weaponry, totally useless.

I refuse to disarm the very recently produced Orbital Weapons Platforms we have made. They are currently still in construction, but launch is very soon. This is are best form of defense, considering the icnredibly small size of our army, and we do not believe it to be right to deny us our protection.


ooc:i'll get army figures up later. I just answered the issue for OWP, thats why they aren't up yet

The Eschaton has no interest in forcing nations with anti-missile defense systems to shut down these clearly defensive installations. It is those weapons platforms meant for attacks on troop bodies and installations that we oppose. We request only the dismantling of these latter satillites, as a means of reducing the total destructive power of all nations and in order to preserve the neutrality of space. We have no other motives and this accusation wounds us deeply. As a show of good faith our orbital batteries have been permanently re-engineered.
<signed> The Twenty-three

((OOC um shawn when did we ban ICBMs? i don't recall that ever happening. we banned nukes yes but there is a big difference between a nuke and an ICBM. the ICBM is merely the platform for delivering any number of weapons over continental distances.))

*Searches through the NS War chat logs, comes up with a few lines*

minibazooze: i bet arber took him out from behind
TheRef310: dude....
TheRef310: never say that.... again.


minibazooze: shawn's here! put away the keg!
TheRef310: ::takes out his flask::
TheRef310: I got my own stuff right here



But, back to business.

We are using troops. No missiles invoved, so it shouldn't affect anything anyways. None of the modifiers contain ICBMs, no Nationstate issue contains ICBMs, none of the troops themselves can be harmed by the orbitals, so, it can't hurt anyone, therefore, they should be taken off of Juthopia's modifier. That is all I'm saying.

what the hell do you think the biological and chemical weapons are being mounted on? not to mention conventional bombs mounted on ICBMs. i think ICBMs are an obvious aspect of the nationstates world. In addition, just as we are converting superweapons into a number of troops because it would be unfair to not allow people's expenditures to count for those things, someones expenditures in defensive weapons are equally valid. I think it would be absurd to not count those.

what the hell do you think the biological and chemical weapons are being mounted on? not to mention conventional bombs mounted on ICBMs. i think ICBMs are an obvious aspect of the nationstates world. In addition, just as we are converting superweapons into a number of troops because it would be unfair to not allow people's expenditures to count for those things, someones expenditures in defensive weapons are equally valid. I think it would be absurd to not count those.
These nuclear + biological + chemical weapons are for battlefield usage only. If we had ICBMs, your capitol would be a barren wasteland by now.

Cruhad is continuing in its stance that it will not deconstruct its two nuclear programs, and one orbital defense program unless ALL other nations with these capabilties do so. Our country will not be left a sitting duck to the more militarized nations.

-Marcus Fajj
Cruhad Foreign Minister

Wyczestr will send a de-contamination crew to Conistonia to aid in the cleanup operations there.
In other news, the imperial parliament voted support the Eschaton's initiative to de-militarize space. Wyczestr does not currently have orbital weapons, but we would gladly pledge not to develop them if there were some regional concensus to that end. We also would support the elimination or at least the limitation of nuclear weapons in the region.

We strongly object to this campaign to rob nations of the defense systems they have built. We agree that space is international territory, and should be de-militarized, but nuclear weapons are entirely another story. What a nation builds within its own boarders is its own business, not that of the international community. Furthermore, we feel that removing the nuclear deterrent places the region in imminent danger of war. The nuclear deterrent coupled with the doctrine of mutually assured destruction is the only force currently holding the arm of many of the war-like nations in the region. We believe that if this deterrent was removed the more militant nations of the region would not hesitate to overrun the weaker nations. Nuclear weapons are the only force keeping peace in the region. Limit them if you must, but each nation must keep enough of these weapons to defend themselves.

We also call for a vote of censure against Little Ossipee for their bellicose and openly threatening comments against Marklund, who have given them little cause to make such rash comments.

If we had ICBMs, your capitol would be a barren wasteland by now.

Hastania agrees to dismantle all nuklear weapons. However, Dismantlement of orbital weapons is not in our intrests and is non-negotionable right now.

((OOC ok thanks nate for the support but i think his comment was out of character. anyway, shawn your failing to grasp the point that it doesn't matter what the weapon should really be used for in real life. thats the virtue of converting factors into people system. it accounts for everything but eliminates the complications of creating systems for all of that stuff. therefore ICBMs still exist but they exist in manpower form. therefore the weapons that could defeat them also still exist but also in manpower form. oh and let me not forget that if ICMBs were launched at my capital my anti-missile defence systems would likely stop them for one, and second there would be a large number of missiles launched at your capital by me and my array of allies and your capital would be wasted as well.))

IC
We believe that Space is not part of our region and is exempt from regional affairs. Any nation is free to engage in any activities it desires to while in space. We believe that it only becomes an international affair when those activities affect the territory of a nation in the region. We also believe that all objects in space are part of the nation who owns them's territory. In addition, we would like to make it clear that we are not demanding any nation to disarm in any way. We are merely stating that we will not disarm unless all other nations disarm as well. We see nuclear weapons as being a far higher regional threat than orbital weapons and therefore believe that those present a greater regional risk than the orbital weapons in place.

Parokif Kellanit, Official Voice of the People of Marklund

ooc- any time a player refers to their nation as "we" and another nation as you, it's fairly safe to assume its an IC remark.

Juthopia believes that nuclear, biological, and chemical weaponry are cruel against mankind and has already banned them. However, space is territory which is free to use for whatever means, as long as it does not endanger any peaceful endeavors other nations conduct there. Therefore, Juthopia's OLD's shall remain as a defense against ICBM's.
If disarmament is to be achieved, every nation ((that RP's)) must agree to disarm all nuclear, biological, and chemical weaponry along with orbital weaponry.

Robert Kamagashi
Defense Minister to the Premier of Juthopia

OOC: How about my OLD's would cancel out a WMD? I didn't think realistic-wise, they were created out of RP, but whatever.

We have been monitering Eschaton and although no official deal was ever made between our government and the "23 CEOs" we will stick to the proposal we made. Their government has reached a level known as a "compulsory consumerist state" and as such, our sanctions against them have been lifted. We hope that this is a sign of things to come in Eschaton and hope that they will continue on this course. We believe that this a step forward for the community as a whole.

Parokif Kellanit, Official Voice of the People of Marklund

((OOC - I will not be able to make the summit this thursday because I will be attending the first meeting of the FSC Model UN. I really can't miss it and it is supposed to go from 3:30 til 5:30 and afterwards I will have other events to attend to.))

OOC - yes, the barren wasteland WAS an OOC post. Thursday... Eh. Maybe.

IC - Due to Conistonia's rejection of Little Ossipee's support, the 1,000,000 troops are now under the Emporer's power. They are moving north to establish trading posts with the nomadic tribes in the area. The troops from the convoy will rendevous with the 1/2 million troops currently stationed in Debiana and all will strike North in order to build trading ties with the nomads.

If attacked, either by the nomads, or opposing forces, they WILL defend themselves with force.

OOC - just so another nation doesn't pop up where they are, I've marked their objective on the political map, (Last updated version). All together, I have 15 Risk guys heading into neutral territory.

Ian, can you remake/update the political map? Do an RP check for the new nations to see whether to add them or not.

Due to misunderstandings and confusion, the workers that were working on the Orbital weapons have been forced to return to Earth after restoring the satelites to full operating capacity.
~Emperor Mahady

((OOC if you goto the map post then you see the latest news on the situation of the maps.
In addition, as of today wednesday the 15, the Marklundian army measures up to 185 risk pieces))

The actions of the Nation of Little Ossipee have gone too far. They are encroaching upon the independance of the nuetral people's of the region. We request that Little Ossipee remove all military personel from neutral regions within one week's time. If they are not removed then Marklundian forces will be sent to remedy the situation. The first time your troops arrived in a neutral area and remained there was a moderately reasonable excuse for them to be there. This time there is no reason they have been sent there intentionally. Sending civilians to the area to engage in trade is one thing but sending military personel espeically with the numbers that Ossipee has there is unnacceptable. That is neutral land and your military has no right to be there.

Just to make things clear for you
-Our demand is that all troops belonging to Little Ossipee be removed from the neutral zones within one week (wednesday the 22nd).
-If at that time troops remain then the Marklundian military will be sent to remove you forcibly.
-If you begin to construct any form of military base on that land then our troops will immediatelly move at that time regardeless of wether the week has ended or not.
-Our orbital system is keeping careful constant surveillance of your activities in that area. (therefore if you begin any construction I will know immediatelly)

We urge the other nations of the region to not allow imperialistic designs such as this to take place. We are aware that our past actions were unpopular but this is an entirely different situation. If Ossipee's intent was to merely trade with the natives then there would be no need for the military.

Stay strong at heart and resolve,
Vorinosh Tecker, Official Voice of the People of Marklund

((Where the hell is the map post? Found it. Maps are now linked in the first post.))

Emperor on TV - responding to the Marklundian threats
"Why waste time waiting for another convoy to be sent when I have all these recently unloaded vehicles right in the vicinity? Why not use those that I have already there, instead of waiting to send another convoy, which would have to be protected by troops anyways, when I have one already there? I thought that people would be congratulating me on saving resources and not polluting our atmosphere any more than neccesary by using what is there, and not wasting resources."

Wyczestr supports Little Ossipee's right to protect its merchants in the neutral territory. It is absolutely necessary that their convoy be protected by a military escort, considering that there is no government or law enforcement in the neutral lands.

We agree that some military support is warranted due to the terrorism in the region. But there are some things you must consider. First of all, if the threat is coming from the peoples of that area then Ossipee should respect their territory and leave. It is exactly the same as if I were to send a large military force into a major city in wyczestr to protect a trade convoy there. Second, one and a half million troops are far more than is possibly necessary. Of course if Ossipee's intent is to remove most of those forces then there will be no problem as a week is more than enough time to remove them. Of course if Ossipee's intent is not to just pass through engaging in some trade as they pass and instead decided to create permament settlements there then that is a very different situation. Going back to my former example, imagine how you would react if not only did my one and a half million "trade guards" move into your major city, but then begin building a settlement on the outskirts. That kind of action would simply be unnacceptable and you would like make all attempts to expel me, just like the indiginous peoples of the neutral areas will likely do to Ossipee.

((on a new note, perhaps we need some new rules regarding the neutral zones. if they are to useable in the ways that Ossipee has done in the past and present then we need to create a system for the indiginous response. shawn can't simply say that they are accepting of his presence because he says so. they are a seperate group of people from his nation and he does not control them or their opinions. so i'm not exactly sure how we should handle all of that but we definetly need a system. in addition if we are about to enter an imperial age in nationstates then i would like to know about it now so that i can expediate my acquisition of a mouse and then go on to create a difinitive world map of our nationstates world. for imperialism to become a part of the game, it would be absolutely necessary))

((You're the one that made the map with the supposed "Neutral zones". I'm only taking advantage of what you supplied and I will continue my current course of action. Yes, I accept that they are a seperate group of people, which is why I haven't just annexed the land as my own. I am merely setting up TRADING POSTS. Who doesn't like a good trade now and then?))

The troops are there, as I have repeated several times, to protect the convoy from the unknown threats of the neutral zone. Once the trading posts are established and secure against roving bandits, the troops will peacefully withdraw and allow the posts to be governed by the Neutralians.
The trading posts will be open to everyone that wishes to trade with the indigenous peoples of the neutral territories. The troops will remain to protect the right of free trade, and keep order within the trading post. This is NOT a hostile invasion. We are a country that has always supported free trade between countries, and will continue to do so, no matter what threats are brought against us by the Marklundian isolationists.

Little Ossipee is not imposing upon the will of anyone, nor will they, as long as things remain civil.

NEWS FLASH

While the Cruahdi government's eyes were turned away, a terrorist group staged an uprising in the small northern province of Karmuhd. Claiming to be of part of Lemonade Stickups, they have captured the provincial capitol of Mushif and the surrounding countryside. The consuls have declared this a national state of emergency and the army has begun a quick mobilization. Rumors have been flying about atrocities commited by these insurgents although none can be verified. We can only pray that the army can bring divine retribution on these infidels.

Mohammed Qat
-El-Hattal Times

Oltramar would like to offer its assitance to Cruhad if it is needed, as we are always willing to support a friend in need.

ON the subject of Marklund and Little Ossipee's little debate, we believe that Little Ossipee has every right to establish trade posts, as long as they take their large force out of neutral territory afterwards. We will keep an eye on the area, just in case.

As I have stated, The troops will be removed the minute the trading post is fortified and ready to protect itself from maurading nomads and maybe jealous governments.

The Little Ossipean government would also like to thank the governments that have supported their right to free trade, and to defend those traders.

We would like to offer support to the government of Cruhad if they need it.

While we do not support Little Ossipee's actions in neutral territory, we acknowledge that their actions are within the bounds of current international law. We only hope that the government of Little Ossipee recognizes what effect the presence of their troops in neutral territory has on the stability of the region.

The protectorate has of late been to occupied to actively participate in the international community. We have been working hard on improving our internal economy while at the same time supressing the growing terrorist sect with an affinity to certain citrus. Our country also supports the foundation of trading posts and concurs there is a need for defence of these posts.

"In Jammin's Name"
-Duran Chase

We are now entrenched! You will not succeed. You mongrul non lemon worshippers will die on our gates.

They fled. The Cruhadi louts fled. Indeed, concerning the fighting waged by the heroes of the Lemonade Stickups yesterday, one amazing thing really is the cowardice of the Cruhadi soldiers. we had not anticipated this.

OOC: Ok first of all my troops are still mobilizing and are not in the province where you have revolted. Second of all, saying that my troops run away is a blatant god-mod. Basically I am disregarding your post.

IC: The Cruhadi forces are now finishing the final stages of mobilization and it is estimated that they will arrive in 1 day. The Cruhadi government has decided to send one full legion to make the liberation as fast as possible. A second legion was proposed, but the initiative was shot down in the senate.

A rag-tag militia of loyal Cruhadis has banded together to drive out the infidels, however they were driven back after a few skirmishes by the more organized LS members.

-Mohammed Qat
El-Hattal Times

Scheduled for intermittent paradrops, Juthopia is sending three Elite Air Auxiliary Squadrons to drop aid packages on villages scattered across the now-occupied Cruhadi countryside. They are escorted by an Elite Universal Air Squadron, comprised of C40 Hurricanes, a fighter-bomber capable of almost any mission. This operation has been approved by Cruhadi officials.
Air Force Marshall Allan Williamson
Defense Ministry of Juthopia

:mp5: :mp5: :mp5: :mp5: :mp5: :mp5: :sniper: :gundge:
We will destroy you all! You're armies will be killed and trapped with in the walls of this city. We have smuggled Nuclear components into Cruhad, any attempt to defeat us we shall denonate the assembled weaponry. We demand the Cruhadi government yield all power and governship or we will systematically wipe out its population.

We have formed from our reserves a force numbering two million marklundian soldiers. It is named the TOOF (Terrorist Ocupation Opposition Force) and will be sent to any area that a group seen by Marklund to be a terrorist organization is occupying if the nation being occupied requests it. These soldiers have been specifically trained for fighting in urban situations and have specialized urban combat gear. Although we do not believe that terrorism can be defeated by military means, we do believe that terrorist organizations cannot be allowed to hold territory for any length of time. Any nation who wants TOOF to aid them need only telegram us. We also would welcome any nation to pledge any number of their own forces to join the TOOF so that it may become an international effort.

In addition we have new comments on the situation with Little Ossipee. We made an offer to them which would end the current dispute. Our request was to be allowed to post a number of military personel within the trading posts equal to the number of military personel already there who belong to Little Ossipee. The theory behind this was so that our forces would be there as soon as anything happened that may be harmful to the indigenous people or their culture. The Little Ossipean Emperor declined our offer. As a result our plan will go forward. Little Ossipee has 5 days to stop infringing on the territory belonging to the people who live in the neutral zone.

Stay strong at heart and resolve,
Vorinosh Tecker, Official Voice of the People of Marklund

Although I applaud Marklund on making this so called "TOOF", I wish he had infirmed us so that it could be a multi-nation task force, instead of a Marklundian effort on its own. Secondly, any military movement against the Little Ossipean trading posts will be considered as if they made a move against Waterboro itself. I strongly suggest to Marklund that continuing this line of agression will not be wise. I will not back down from my current position. I hope that it will not come to this, but I will defend my right to free trade with force, if necessary, and I call upon all nations in the region to name Marklund as the agressor in this conflict. All I have done is started to set up trading posts with the Neutralians, which Marklund disagrees with.

Military update
The troops have finally arrived at the spot of the new Trading post. They have set up base camp, and posted sentries around the barracks. Construction of the actual trading post will start after basic fortifications are made to the base camp.

In light of recent events we have placed our military on high alert. Two cohorts have been mobalized and a ready to be deployed at a moments notice. The remainder are deing held in reserve. Air partols have been doubles, and the Civilian reservs have been placed on notice.

My army, due to lack of military funding, has not grown all too much, but that will soon change. The 14,980,000 troops that are now protecting Little Ossipee and it's interests will be increased soon. ((As soon as it comes up, that is.))

We feel it is necessary to say a few things. The first is that our dispute with Little Ossipee is not over their right to free trade but over the neutral people's right to not have uninvited foreigners in their territory. Second, we have invited any and all nations to join the TOOF and hope that it will become an international effort very soon. Regardeless, we felt that it was necessary to act with all speed an offer our forces immediatelly. Lastly, we would like to remind Ossipee that their forces in the neutral territory are under constant surveillance and as soon as any construction takes place our forces will mobilize. That mobilization is purely an effort to push Little Ossipee out of the neutral zone and we will not set foot on their actual territory unless they do so first. The war we will be fighting is merely a war to gaurantee the independance of the neutral territories and as soon as Little Ossipee leaves the territory, we will also leave.

Stay strong at heart and resolve,
Vorinosh Tecker, Official Voice of the People of Marklund

((OOC our forces now number 18,725,000 soldiers. Thats 187 risk guys.))

The Ancient and Illuminated Seers of the Eschaton, being chosen by the most noble and holy Free Market to lead its people, have resolved to support Little Ossipee's defense of safe free trade, and have sent convoys of corperate goods to set up our own trade posts, guarded by a full detachment of Corperate Troops from all 23 of the great ruling conglomerates. They are full armed and under orders to a) defend the right to free trade in the neutral territories b) take no part in interfering with the establishment of an independent government that respects principles of free trade and c) to reinforce Little Osspieean troops should they come under attack from /any/ hostile force, be they terrorist or belligerant nation.

Moreover the Eschaton is afraid it will not be taking part in any initiative led by the so-called Socialist Republic of Marklund. Their aggressive, invasive stances have continually disturbed the capitalistic and economically liberated people of the Eschaton and as such we will decline the offer to take part in any operation we are not yet sure is not another thinly vieled attempt to restrict the economies of other nations. This does not mean, however, that we shall limit our acts against terrorism. The Eschaton has already taken great steps to crack down on all dissident activity within its borders, and we
are pround to call ourselves one of the safest nations in the region.

In closing, we are saddened that enough our fellow nations consider the doctrine of escalation to be acceptable to evade attempts to keep space a peaceful area, and as such we have no choice but to continue directing substantial funds to the creation of orbital defense systems so as to prevent an advantage from being gained by a less responsible nation, such as the 'non-negotiable' Hastania, former UN delegate and revealed member of a secret alliance. The Seers weep for Menotomy should such stubborn and unreasonable nations prevail against the desire for the region's common good.

<signed> The Twenty-three CEOs of the Eschaton

Juthopian paradrop efforts are working better than expected. Vast quantities of supplies, from food to medicine to weapons, are helping the oppressed Cruhadi population overcome their dependence on the meager rations left by the ruthless, hungry occupying forces. Hopefully a militia may arise behind enemy lines to help the Cruhadi army in defeating the invaders.

Also, a cursory atmospheric scan shows a lack of Radon in occupied airspace, refuting claims of weapons-grade uranium. This is not certain; atmospheric tests often give false negatives.
Air Force Marshall Allan Williamson
Defense Ministry of Juthopia

Due to a bureaucratic error, Juthopia's statement of neutrality did not reach headlines. This is the statement, directly from Premier Dave Wellington's Desk:

In the trading conflict that has erupted in neutral territory, Juthopia will not take direct action. However, if this conflict escalates to a war, Juthopia will support Marklund, as has been shown in earlier conflicts.

Signed, Premier Dave Wellington

After a long period of settleing internal affairs Hastania is declaring temporary border control. Unfortunately due to widespread fear of a terrorist attack happening in our country, the people have decided to vote for a bill that will temporaraly close our borders to refugees. Security has been tightened for a temporary amount of time due to terrorist activity occuring in several of Monotomy's countries.

We have a message for the terrorists.
Whatever you think you might be able to do in other countries you will find a much harder time of it here. We have not done much to warent any attacks. What we have done we have done due to obligation. Therefore any terrorists captured in Hastania will be prosecuted to the fullest extent of our laws

Futhermore Hastania is growing impatient with Echeton's snake tougned attemts to make themselves seem as humanitarian and to make our nation seem as irrational agressors. Echeton has no interests of dimiliterizing space to make the world a better place. They simply want to gain the upper hand in millitary power, not stop war. The removal of these orbitals is non-negotionable because countries like Echeton exist in our region. We meerly want to protect ourselves from tyrany. Hastania has never directly interfeered in the buisness of others. Our alies have done such things but we would like to mention that we can not control their actions. Furthermore Hastania's secret alience was also made to deffend ourselves from nations such as the Echeton. Hastania wanted this alience to be public since it was made. Do not blame us for things we can not control and do not test our patience.

We also do not trust ossipiee's intentions on their plans for a "trade post" and wish to say that although we wish to stay neutral, we are watching their actions very closely.

The Eschaton is appalled by Hastania's accusations, and considers them insults to our nation's exemplery record in international affairs. The Ancient and Illuminated Seers have made aggressive acts against no nation, have allied militarily with no power, have placed no sanction nor limitation on any power and were the first to suggest the institution of a regional council to /avoid/ war.
We therefore officially call out Hastania's allegations as not only false and insubstantiated, but ill informed and totally fabricated in the most essential way. The stance of the Eschaton in foreign policy has always been that of a neutral nation, seeking peace. How, thus, can Hastania, who threatened to intervene in the Burgia-Marklund conflict and thus escalate the war, think they have and justification in declaring a moral highground, and defame the peaceloving peoples and leaders of the Eschaton?
While words are but words, we will not allow this insult to go unchallanged. The Eschaton challenges any nation to find anything that lends any credence to Hastania's claims, that places us in the role of anything but peacekeeper, defender of individual soveriegnty and gaurdian of the divine right to free trade. We believe that in the trying they shall find the Eschaton blameless, especially in comparison to the Federation of Hastania, who calls itself a peaceful nation yet creates weapons whose only effective purpose is to strike at other nations from afar, from the neutral territory of space! As we have already asserted, the cost of creating orbital weapons, if directed to conventional arms, would be of far greater effect defensively, and as such the building of orbital weapons is a distinctly /aggressive/ action, by the very nature of the devices being employed.
Thus we reverse the accusation, and instead point out, using substantiation and evidence, that /Hastania/ is far more the aggressive, bellicose nation that they paint the Eschaton than the Eschaton in truth is itself.

In closing, we censure Hastania officially for this henious failing in foreign policy. We ask all reasonable nations to acknowledge the validity of this censure.

<signed> The Twenty-three Chief Executive Officers of the Eschaton.

In a statement on TV, Mr. Mahady talks right to the Marklundian people.

"Where's the regional outcry over the opression of the Neutralians? Why is no one joining you in the fight against my opressive troops? Why have there been no attacks on my troops by the Neutralians?

I'll tell you why. They aren't opressing anyone. In fact, they are helping the Neutralians by deterring bandits and rouge marauders. Where are your allies, Marklund? They have declared neutrality, because they know that they can't morally fight against the right of Free Trade. Why are people coming to support my rights? Because thats what they are. They are RIGHTS. And the countries in this region respect the right to free trade, except for you. Keep your isolationist ideals inside your own country. Keep your socialism. We don't want it.

Long live Capitalism!"

There have been spontaneous outbursts of support for the Emperor, usually starting with the chant "Long live CAPITALISM!". The Marklundian embassy has hundreds of civillians outside of it marching back and forth with banners saying things such as "Capitalism! It's what's for dinner", "Go home, you socialist pigs!", "Long Live Capitalism!", etc. Several people have been giving out cases of Ossipeeade to taunt the Marklundians. "Wash the taste of Marklund out of your mouth". The government has done nothing to stop the protestors, but is keeping a close eye to make sure they don't get out of hand.

The people of Hastania are not impressed with the Escheton's response to our "insults". They are continualy growing more impatient with the Escheton's twisting of the truth to make Hastania seem like a war mongering nation. If we were as evil as they accuse us to be burgia would have been a baren wasteland by now. Instead we ignored them. And we were going to ignore them up untill the point of their invasion of our alies. Our declaration of war was an honest and blunt mesage of what was in store for them if they were to continue their sensless agression.

Furthermore Hastania has found little ossipee's proposal for inspections on their trade post an accepteble one. It is however their responsability to find a solution with Marklund. So long as we may inspect their trade post we will not join in any agressive tactics against the trade post even if a conflict between Marklund and ossipee does occur in that region. Since Marklund is not deffending their own territory we do not feel obligated to suport them. The people of Hastania are strongly opposed to the opression of the indigenous people in the neutral area. However it is a general concensus that a conflict can be avoided. Marklund still has permission to pass through our territory but those troops will recieve no renforcment from ours.

The troops have gotten the word that Hastania has declared their neutrality. The orders have also been sent to begin construction of the trading post.

In a speech earlier today, he has stressed the importance of having non-isolationist countries in the region, and the importance, and effectiveness of capitalism and free trade has on a good government. He closed with this statement:

"We, as Little Ossipeans, are a stalwart bunch. We are not known for backing down, and I will continue that tradition. We will not back down because Marklund wants us to ignore the advantages that will be gained from trade with these Neutralians, and they are getting no support from their supposed allies. Where's Juthopia? Where's Hastania? They are staying neutral, because they know that free trade is a RIGHT that our nation holds dear, and that we will stand for that right till the last Ossipean, and we expect our allioes to do the same, if need be. Thank you, and goodnight."

The Emperor's poll ratings are now in the 90% range, due to the recent issues, with random acts of appretiation made by the Ossipean people. The protesters outside the Marklundian embassy have continued to march, chanting their slogans. The Hastanian embassy has been sent cases of Ossipeeade from the Emperor in appreciation to sending the messages to the Hastanian rulers with all speed.

After a quick emergency summit the military council has decided on a consensus. The troops have been ordered into Karhmud. The Legion has encountered little resistance an has made great process. The army is expected to reach Mushif tomorrow.

Intelligence from inside Mushif has been unreliable at best but the current picture shows that the militia has continued skirmishes with the LS troops. About the supposed Nuclear weapons, the Cruhadi general in charge of the operation was heard saying: "No two-bit terrorist organization could ever develop those weapons."

In response to the recent tensions with Marklund-Ossippee, Cruhad is going to stay neautral, as we already embroiled in our own internal conflicts.

-Marcus Fajj
Cruhad Foreign Minister

((OOC I find it interesting that there are protestors outside of my embassy. This is interesting because there is no marklundian embassy in little ossipee nor is there an ossipean embassy in marklund. That aside i'm curious as to which non-existent embassy you were refering to. In addition, I find your the fact that you say that the neutralians do not attack you to be rather irritating because we have no formal rules on the subject. It is entirely possible that those indiginous people would attempt to attack you and you cannot say that they aren't just because thats the way you want it to go.))

Now that the trade posts have been constructed the Marklundian Army (160 risk guys out of 187 total) has been mobilized and as we speak is being airlifted through Eckerd, Sniffilis, and Hastania to a point slightly north of Little Ossipee's position. As we have said before, we guarantee the independance of all the people of the neutral areas and since they do not thave the military power to fight for themselves, we are willing to do it for them.

Stay strong at heart and resolve,
Vorinosh Tecker, Official Voice of the People of Marklund

You would be surprised what can be bought or traded for.

A large explosion is seen in the country side...far from the advancing cruhadi troops. It is claimed to be a mushroom cloud, but the reports are unconfirmed. The message is clear however, do not enter the city.

((OOC - it was my understanding that every nation had an embassy in every nation. PS - I haven't even STARTED construction on the actual post. There is only ONE. If you're going to condemn my actions, at least make sure you know what they ARE. Neutralians are considered, (in my book), under the control of the Stickups, seeing how it's un-occupied territory. They haven't even come into the picture yet, because I haven't finished building the post. Besides, what savages would want to go up against 1.5 million troops? I mean, besides the Marklundians.))
IC - Due to the large troop movements out of Marklund, Little Ossipee has risen it's alert level, and has also started ferrying another ten million troops across the bay to the former country of Tonopia. We condemn these massive troop movements of Marklund's as an overt act of war, and will respond in like. The Tonopian bound troops will set up a staging base in case of actual conflicts. The Ossipean warehouses and factories are gearing for war, and we will be ready to strike back, if something were to happen to the troops at the trading post.

I urge all nations supporting free trade and non-isolationism to follow suit.

I also urge Marklund's allies to give him counsil, because he seemingly will not listen to reason from me. I have offered to allow Hastanian inspectors to be stationed inside of the trading post, but Marklund doesn;t see that as enough. They just don't want a peaceful conclusion to this conflict. They want bloodshed. They want death. We do not, but if actions are taken against our troops, we wil lbe forced to strike back.

((OOC - this leaves me with 15,180,000 troops alltogether, with 3,680,000 still in Ossipee.))

The orders have also been sent to begin construction of the trading post.

((OOC as you can see the trading post has begun construction unless for some reason your builders don't start building when they're ordered to. also, lemonade stickups has no territory. the neutral areas are places specifically set aside for new nations to appear in, thats why i made them. that was never made clear so i do not begrudge you for your actions, they are simply opportunistic. on the topic of embassies: you only have an embassy if both sides agree to the establishment of one, they don't just appear out of thin air.))

Troop planes have begun to pass through Debiananian and Conistonian airspace, designated by the eye-and-pyramid as owned by Eschatonic Corperate forces. In a troop movement more massive than any seen in its entire history the Ancient and Illuminated Seers have airshipped at great expense an two entire divisions of troops from the defence forces of each of the Twenty-three great ruling conglomerates. A total of four million, six hundred thousand (4,600,000) troops have been placed in the outskirts of the neutral territories currently occupied by Little Ossipeean forces. With them are many stores of retail goods for the establishment of the Eschaton's own trading post.

The official stance of the Twenty-three is such:
"Marklund cannot and will not interfere with the processes of free trade in territories not its own. It cannot and will not impose its way of life on other peoples by denying them contact with the well intentioned representatives of capitalist nations. We will stand with Little Ossipee for the ideals of economic liberty and self-determination. We do not desire conflict, but should conflict come we will do all we can to repell any unprovoked assaults on Ossipee's troops or its trading post. It is our intention always to foster an environment of economic liberty, not to bring destruction and danger through war, and we shall go to battle only if forced to.
Thus, let it be known that, should a conflict of arms arise, it shall be Marklund that shattered the region's fragile peace, not the Eschaton!
<signed> The Twenty-three.

((Starting construction and being done with the construction are two very different things Ian.))

How does Stickups do a troop count? Same rules as the rest of us?

After seeing the mushroom cloud exploded in the countryside. The Cruhadi troops were ordered to halt at the gates of Mushif. The battle has seeming devolved into a standoff.

Inside Mushif it appears to have quieted down after the detonation.

-Marcus Fajj
-Cruhadi Foreign Minister

Today Hastania's orbital satelites have spoted The escheton's large troop movements to the neutral territory. Although Hastania's military commanders had little to say when asked to coment, Hastania's government is concerned of what is to come. The first citizen comented: "It apears that the region's forces have decided to settle their arguments on a battleground that is not their own. If you find it apsolutely necessary to kill eachother don't do it on someone else's land. After all it is not in their best interest for anyone to wage war on their country. It wont matter which force wins in the conflict because either way it will be their land being battered and scared. Therefore, I sugest that both parties leave the area untouched. In the case that this suggestion is not accepteble then i would suggest that we open diplomatic channels. I believe that a treaty is the best way to solve this situation."

I would be agreeable to that idea as long as my troops are allowed to stay insidfe the trading post with Hastanian inspectors. My troops will not leave my traders undefended. My people would mutiny if I even tried to do such a thing as abandon my civillians in an unknown territory with no protection. Especially with the recent developments. No nation in their right mind could ask me to withdraw my troops and leave my citizens to the mercy of the Marklundian troops. Eschaton is simply tring to help level the playing field, to make sure Marklund doesn't start opressing those same people that he says he is going to liberate from my tyrranous rule.

I have ruled over no one! I( have not made any advances towards the Neutralian people, nor will I. I will wait for them to come to the post of their own free will. If they choose not to come, well, that's their loss. I have never, nor will I start opressing anyone. These alligations are absurd, and we demand the return of the Marklundian troops to their territory. If that happens, then the Eschatoni troops will withdraw, seeing how they are only there to help protect our right to free trade. If the threat is removed, then they would have no reason to be in the area.

(The Marklundian Troops have stopped just east of Hastanian Territory but far north of the Ossipean position.) We'd like to make it known that we were never informed of any agreement between Hastania and Ossipee involving Inspectors until just minutes ago. Although we feel a bit better knowing that our friends in Hastania will be watching over the situation, we still feel that is not sufficient. We are willing to make compromises of course. We will drop our most recent request of being allowed an equal number of soldiers in exchange for Ossipee allowing inspectors from any and all nations in the region to inhabit the Trade Post. Our troops will hold their positions until noon (eastern time) wednesday as we await your response. We do want to avoid a conflict but we cannot allow any government to control these people without their consent. As long as we feel that they are not being coerced in any way we will be satisfied.

Stay strong at heart and resolve,
Vorinosh Tecker, Official Voice of the People of Marklund

the Corperate forces of the Eschaton trying to pass through Conistonian Territory have been met by the Conistonian Air Home Guard, who have refused the forces passage through Conistonian airspace. No Eschaton forces have tried to force passage through Conistonian airspace yet, but the Conistonian military remains on high alert.

(If you had read what Arber posts, then you would have known about said agreement. Why do you think he declared Neutrality? Besides, I've been stressing it in almost every speech I've posted.)

I do not see why my trading post should be inundated with inspectors of every nationality. Do you not trust the Hastanian people? Do you not trust your own ally to conduct efficient investigations?

If I had to cater to the inspectors of every nation, then my traders would be so bogged down with beaurocracy that they wouldn't have any time to TRADE! I wil have to deny you the ability to inspect our nation's trade posts, and rely on your honorable ally to supply you with their reports. At their own will, of course.

We made a very large concession in not attacking you outright and considering allowing you to even stay on foreign soil, your concession allowing only Hastanian inspectors into the trade post is very minor and is insufficient. We will either watch your actions in the area from within the trade post or force you out. It is your choice. You have until wednesday noon (eastern time) to reply.

Stay strong at heart and resolve,
Vorinosh Tecker, Official Voice of the People of Marklund

So, you are saying that Hastania can't do the inspecting job by himself? That he needs other people, namely you, to hold his hand and help him? Why is it that his inspectors aren't good enough for you? Is this a predjudicial remark on the character of his citizens? If a remark such as that were made to the Ossipean people, they would take it as such.

The Conostonian Home Guard has successfully reversed the movement of Eschatonic troops. The troop-planes have reversed course and returned to Eschatonic military airbases, where they remain at top readiness. The official statement of Deter Wolfgang, First Chair of the Twenty-three is such:

"The Ancient and Illuminated Seers of the Eschaton wish to offer a formal apology to the People's Rupublic of Conostonia for this henious error. The department of foreign affairs, headed by Second Chair Hienrich Knecht, failed to secure Conostonia's permission before clearing the troop movement through Conostonian airspace, a massive lapse on their part. The Second Chair has been censured, the matter is currently under investigation by an Immenton comittee, and our forces have been withdrawn. We beg that this be seen for what it is, an embarrassing but innocent mistake on the part of a branch of the Eschatonic government, one that shall not be repeated. We will not proceed with our intended movement without the full approval of Conostonia, though it is our great hope that that approval will be granted so that we might reinforce our allies and stand up for our ideals.
May the light of peace and prosperity illumine us all!
Ewige Blumenkraft!"

As a gesture of reconciliation, a large sum of money has been offered to Conostonia by the Eschaton, in order to pay for the costs of placing their forces at high alerts. Eschatonic Corperate troops wait, also at high alert, to take to the air as soon as they are granted permission by the Twenty-three.

We just believe that different nations have different ideologies and want to protect different interests, and all have a right to see that this is happening. You can attempt to twist the situation however you like but Hastania's citizenry and government know that we have the utmost respect and appreciation for them. No wedge will driven between us. We still await a straight answer to our proposition.

Stay strong at heart and resolve,
Vorinosh Tecker, Official Voice of the People of Marklund

((OOC i have updated the political map))

Yes, other nations do not share your socialist ideals. I chose to ask Hastania to be the nation to carry out inspections for several reasons. First, they are one of the closest nations, so it would cost them less expense in sending the inspectors, secondly, they are one of your allies, so I would expect for you to trust their appraisal of the situation.

((OOC i have updated the political map))
((Post 60- political, Risk wise and Topo. Linked on 1st post.))

Coming out of its relative political silence, Debiana makes a short public statement:
"We as a small nation would have not problem with the Eschation's flight through our airspace, and though we would have been happier had the 23 made more formal inquires on it, we are satisfied to let their planes pass unmolested. In addition, as a gesture of good will and future friendship, Debiana extends an offer to the Eschaton to have it's planes have the possibility to refuel while in Debiana."
-- Duke Larry Wall, foreign diplomat for Debiana

Breaking News.

Masked men have entered the control center of the Protectorate's Orbital Laser Array control system. They are heavily armed and overcame the guards. It is unsure how they managed to bypass the numerous security checkpoints and measures in place.

Commandos have already been deployed to stop this terrible menace from turning the weaponry on any nation.

A countdown alarm has been sounded. The commandos are pushing valiantly and recklessly.

The facility has been locked down and if necessary the failsafe MOAB(Mother of All Bombs) may be used to destroy the facility.

Using planted agents in the facility, the armed men, now recognized as members of Lemonade Stickups has breached the last security codes and has begun orienting and arming the Laser weapons.

With little warning outside the walls of Mushif begin to rain with destructive beams that superheat the atmosphere itself. The thunderous sound of beams begin to assail the Cruhadi troops.

It is an ominous scene

The commandos finally break into the control room. Having killed all the terrorist, but there efforts to shut down the orbital lasers has failed. They also discover that some have been oriented at other nations, but have yet to reach their target nations.

we implore any nation with weaponry suffiecent to knocking out our laser batteries to do so now. They are no longer recieving our override commands and will soon be ready to fire at other nations.

Destroy these awful weapons. We've erred in weaponizing space. Please any nation with sufficient weaponry end this threat to our entire region.

similar attacks apparently were thwarted in facilities in little ossipee and hastania. However this report seems sketchy and unreliable at best. The region is now awaiting a confirmation or denial from these nations.

Likely the superior security and less crime in both regions played a key role in defeating any attempt.

~Menotomy News Wire ~

Officially, Little Ossipee has declined to comment on the Orbital Weapons security breach, but an undisclosed source close to the Emporer has said that they have captured several Stickups and that their plan was for Ossipean orbital weaponry to target the TOOF soldiers massing inside of Marklund.

We regret the inability to shut down the orbital weaponry, seeing how our troops are currently in a state of high readiness and can not spare the missiles required to take down the Jamtastic's orbital weaponry.

ooc: Erm.. .I'm not the most intelligent when it comes to the capabilities of Nukes and OWPs, would it be possible for me to use either of these to try and take out the weapons the Stickups have taken over?

The Eschaton's First Chair, Deter Wolfgang, has made an announcement to the whole region
"It is in the power of the Eschaton to employ a nuclear warhead, propelled by an Inter-continental Ballistic Missile, to destroy the Jamtastic Protectorate's orbital weapons. We do, however, understand the international rammifications for using such a devise, which was build as a prototype for space exploration missions. We therefore ask the permission of the national community to take matters into the Eschaton's own hands and to use this weapon to remove the danger of Exponent's weapons permanently."

In other news the Eschaton has airlifted its troops, and moved them to the Eschatonic/Marklundian border. The reason given is that the Eschaton "will not allow land passage of any reinforcements from Marklund home guard to help in the action against Little Ossipee's entirely legitimate trading interests in the neutral territories" As it stands there are ten million (10,000,000) troops near the Eschatonic/Marklundian border, all on high alert for any intrusions.

ooc: Erm.. .I'm not the most intelligent when it comes to the capabilities of Nukes and OWPs, would it be possible for me to use either of these to try and take out the weapons the Stickups have taken over?OOC - Methinks of this situation as more of a dimplomatic than actual war. Except for the poor Cruhadi soldiers caught in the blasts.

The Jammin' himself publicly implores you to end this threat to the region. It has become apparent the targets are the capitals of Marklund and Juthopia. By all means save them, even if they have in the past invoked sanctions, we are willing to compensate you for the cost of this material! Just destroy the orbitals

OOC - Methinks of this situation as more of a dimplomatic than actual war. Except for the poor Cruhadi soldiers caught in the blasts.

OOC: Oh, i understand it isn't actual war, but could i target an Orbital weapon with my orbital weapons, or with one of my nukes? thats what i'm asking, If I destroy the whole thing outright.

OOC - Methinks of this situation as more of a dimplomatic than actual war. Except for the poor Cruhadi soldiers caught in the blasts.

OOC: Oh, i understand it isn't actual war, but could i target an Orbital weapon with my orbital weapons, or with one of my nukes? thats what i'm asking, If I destroy the whole thing outright.

Juthopia has tightened security in all its defense complexes, and the Orbital Weaponry (OLD's) has been prepared to take out any Lemonade Stickup warheads that enter orbit, if they have such capabilities. They can also eliminate the hijacked orbital weaponry if we are called upon to do so. Juthopia's military is on slightly elevated alert because of the troop buildup, although Juthopia has not mobilized. Reportedly the Press Secretary said that "mobilization would only trigger a war which we are trying to prevent. We have been negotiating with both sides in efforts to stop a war in the neutral territory."

Candice Mareeba, Correspondent

The Cruhadi soldiers were completely taken by surprise the laser blasts from space. Although many were able to scramble away from the blast scene, an estimated 8,000 were killed, and thousands more were wounded.

Because of this attack, the Cruhadi defense department has decided on a new plan. The only un-classified information is the name,"Operation Magic carpet." No other information was released. Another action taken was the mobilization of two more Cruhadi legions. The said Legions are expected to arrive at Mushif in 2 days.

-Marcus Fajj
Cruhadi Foreign Minister

((For reference 1 Legion = 1 mil troops))

((OOC - check this out guys....
http://www.thirdgeek.com/nseconomy.php?nation=

Post your nation's name after the = sign, then wait. It's an officially sanctioned program by the NS admins.))

ooc:
interesting....you have to wonder about those nations that spend 0% of their budget on defense.

The 500-ton Orbital Laser Defense system slowly circles the planet, waiting for orders. It has received orders to destroy the Exponential orbital defense system, at the request of the Jammin'. The Exponents station comes into view, with its flag emblazoned on its exterior. Suddenly, a powerful blast of blue-white light emerges out of the OLD and the orbital defense system explodes in fire. Soon after, a phone call from the Defense Ministry reaches the Premier at his desk. "It has been done," is all that Defense Minister Allan Williamson says.

Operation Magic Carpet has been completed. 50 of Cruhad's fastest stealth bombers raced towards Mushif. Simultaneous they broke formation over the city and carpet bombed their assigned sectors. The entire city was destroyed. Everyone still inside has most likely been killed. The unfortunate deaths of the civilians inside the city was a neccessary evil in order to prevent a greater catostrophe. If the nuclear bomb had gone off more people would have died including people from other countries around the region because of fallout. The Cruhadi citizens killed today have become martyrs for our noble cause.

The two Consuls have declared that September 21st from now on be National Mourning day, as we weep for those who have fallen in the fight against terror.
-Marcus Fajj
Cruhad Foreign Minister

((cool website Ossipee))

OOC> Might I suggest a recalculation of our troop numbers factoring in GNP and the percentage spent on Defense? Now that we have the official stats, we could be even more accurate.

OOC> I fully agree with the Eschaton, I think these more accurate stats would give much better troop calulations.

OOC> Do you really need my response? I am spending 1/3 of my budget on defence. Of COURSE I think we should revamp the system.

I propose a halt on all RP activities until the new system is figured out. That OK with everyone?

We the People of Marklund has decided to honor the Cruhadi Martyrs by observing their day of rememberance. In addition, we offer to the Cruhadi government artisans and materials to build new homes for those who escaped or survived the debacle.

Stay strong at heart and resolve,
Vorinosh Tecker, Official Voice of the People of Marklund

((I think we should have a summit and this message is the last RP I will do until we reform the system. Unless of course everyone else continues RPing without regard to reform))

Personally I feel that the website is a bit scewed, I have since the possiblity of conflict raised spending in the military, in fact forming one, and it does not reflect at all in this website. I am a bit confused.

OOC >I'm not saying use it totally as the determiner, but as an addition to our already present system.

Wyczestr's Defense Budget is $2,396,118,834,648.

((I agree with this, we should have summit on it))

Summits are getting harder and harder to hold... how about friday night? I can't do during the week, so I hope you guys can sacrifice a party night for some hot & spicy Nationstates :cool: .

some hot & spicy Nationstates :cool: .
Iwill shoot you dan, if you EVER say that again.

anyway, almost any night works for me, depending on time.

OOC: awww, and I was just going to start RP posting, oh well. Hrm, friday nights are my geek nights, but I guess I can give it up.

Wyczestr's Defense Budget is $2,396,118,834,648.
Heh. I win.
$2,652,718,287,641.40 I wonder what the .40 is for....

AND largest trade surplus.
Largest Trade Surplus: Little Ossipee ($184 billion)
PS - 9% of our budget is missing...

I thought it said I had the largest trade surplus! Maybe it changed overnight or something. And Warren, as of this moment, your threats have only ended up creating the Anime Club :p .

Hastania has moved a large number of inspectors to the neutral territory that little ossipee is trying to establish a trade post in.

ooc - i had to get that in there because i didnt have a chance to access the forum for 3 days. im free friday for a summit

((I can make the summit on friday and the missing part of the budget is supposed to go to transportation.))

Juthopia has inspected the UN resolution carefully and has decided to vote against the resolution. Every nation's society is different, and those who rely on subsistence farming and other such activities require earlier marriage to create a family of working children to keep their family alive. These nations should not suffer at the hands of more developed nations.

Page McConnell
Foreign Minister of Juthopia

((What TIME on Friday?))

((OOC i'm just throw a number into the ring so we at least have a point to comment over and that number of gonna be 4pm))

can't make it. I'll be at the Museum, of SCience

In a recent upset of national power, the well known moderate First Chair Deter Wolfgang has been displaced. Due to regional tensions and military build ups, the net worth of Gottblitz Corp. has been calculated to be greater than that of Immenaton Corp., and by the laws of the Eschaton Hienrich Knecht is now the First Chair, most powerful individual in Eschaton government. Wolfgang has stepped down after a short speech in which he reminded the Eschatonic people the services he did them during his long term in office. Knecht, in his rising speech, said he would continue to support the Eschatonic defense forces and keep the nation as one of the safest in the region.

Drawn by the trading post, and the semblance of civilization that surrounds it, thousands upon thousands of nomadic Neutralians are setting up permanent settlements around the trading post. These nomads seem to be led by émigrés from the former Republic of New Menotomy, which dissolved into anarchy a few years ago. A man by the name of Trye Tartan has proclaimed himself President of the new territory, and revived the name of his former country, New Menotomy. In his first press conference he stated “The New Menotomy I knew, while a beautiful land, was neither free nor peaceful. It is my hope that the people who fled that land can re-build the nation here, as a free and open democracy.”
Millions of refugees from across neutral territory are making their way towards the settlement. Estimates from the World Population Authority estimate that the reigon will quickly grow to almost 2.5 million.

Why the hell do people love my trading posts so much? First Debiana, now New Menotomy!
((I relenquish the territory to NM))

At the Request of New Menotomy we have removed all of our troops from their lands.

In addition, we have the following announcements: We are guaranteeing the independance of Kalabas and New Menotomy. Any nation who attacks either of them will be engaged by Marklund.

Stay strong at heart and resolve,
Vorinosh Tecker, Official Voice of the People of Marklund

((in addition the map has been updated.))

((And you called my imperialism a BAD thing! Hey, it brought civilization to the savages. TWICE!))
The troops will remain in New Menotomy until they are requested to be removed. The trading post will continue construction in order to trade with the recently formed government and their citizens.

((I should seriously just start putting tradingposts everywhere, keep Ian updating the map so he has no time to do an opposition RP... Hmmm....))

In other news, the troops stationed in Tonopia will remain there for the time being, but plans are being made for their withdrawl.

In accordance with the Menotomy Charter, Juthopia is now going to publicize its alliances with:
1) Marklund
2) Hastania
3) Kalabas

Page McConnell
Foreign Minister of Juthopia

Juthopia brings up an issue that needs to be addressed. This is the issue of the Menotomy Charter. Currently it remains an unratified document and this needs to be fixed. Whenever we end up having a summit to discuss all the issues we have, we also need to ratify that charter.

Stay strong at heart and resolve,
Vorinosh Tecker, Official Voice of the People of Marklund

The 1.5 million troops inside of the newly formed New Menotomy will be removed, along with all of their defences, trucks, etc. per orders of the Menotomian government. They will have left the nation by the end of the week for the long trek home.

There will be 600 troops left behind to protect the Tradepost/Embassy that is still being constructed.

The Twenty-three Ancient and Illuminated Seers of the Eschaton, being the orginators of the Charter, find it acceptable and hereby formally ratify it. Our attendence at any summit will be sure, given that we have a representative to spare. It is our hopes that the First Chair, Hienrich Knecht, will be able to attend, as a display of the Eschaton's full support.

The Cruhad senate and consuls have voted to ratify the Charter. In accordance with the charter we wish to decalre that Cruhad is allied with the following state:
The Empire of Oltramar

-Marcus Fajj
Cruhad Foreign Minister

We would like to propose an amendment to the Charter before it is adopted. In light of the recent terrorist attacks by the religious group the Lemonade Stickups
We move that the word creed be stricken from Chapter Seven, Article 38. We believe this is necessary, in order to secure the safety and welfare of the region.

The amended article would read:
Article 38
The Organization of the States of Menotomy does not allow any restriction based on race, or sex, with respect to eligibility to participate in the activities of the Organization and to hold positions therein.

Debiana seconds Conistonia's motion. If that motion fails then we are still commited to the greater good of the region and will ratify the Charter anyways. We would also like to announce that currently we are offically unallied with any other nations.

-- Larry Wall

Juthopia refuses to ratify the Charter with this distinct change. As our creation of the Religious Education Fund and our early stance on Lemonade Stickups portray, we firmly believe in religious equality. We shall ratify the earlier version of the Charter, and no other version.

Page McConnell
Foreign Minister of Juthopia

We will ratify whichever version of the charter is accepted by the rest of the region, although we would like to state that allowing descrimination because of a beleif is wrong.

In other news, we would also like to say we are in no official alliances with any country at the moment.

The Menotomy OSM is a body designed to mediate problems between states. If certain states are excluded for any reason then there is really very little point in having the OSM at all. Maybe a more specific definition of what a "State" is would accomplish the goal that Conistonia is attempting to fullfil. According to our definition, in order for something to be a state it must have: territory, population, independance, and government. We had a popular vote on the issue of the Menotomy Charter and will ratify it as it stands and will not ratify the amendment. If the amendment is instead changed to use our definition of a state ((which is taken directly out of my intro. to political science book)) then our people would be willing to ratify that as instead.

Our alliances: Hastania, Juthopia, Sniffilis, Eckered
In addition, we are guaranteeing the independance of: Kalabas, New Menotomy

Stay strong at heart and resolve,
Vorinosh Tecker, Official Voice of the People of Marklund

(When was the last time Noah actually RPed? Their country hasn't seen any activity in the past 12 days, and I can't seem to find them having regestered for the Jolt forums at all...))

there seems to be some confusion regarding the proposed amendment. Article 38 would not restrict which countries would be allowed to join, only who would be allowed to be sent as a deligate. This would prevent a member of the Lemonade Stickups from gaining a position from which they could do serious damage to regional stability.

We believe that any nation should have the right to choose who they want to send as delegates. In addition, the Lemonade Stickups is not an issue as they have no territory nor do they seem to have a government, and are therefore not a state.

Stay strong at heart and resolve,
Vorinosh Tecker, Official Voice of the People of Marklund

If the prevention of LS members in parliament is to happen, we need to define it with a belligerent terrorist cult and define that as well. As it stands, we will only ratify the original Charter.

Page McConnell
Foreign Minister of Juthopia

The Jamtastic Protectorate will most likely ratify the document in either form. Our nation has been in some amount of turmoil over the last few weeks. Please understand that our government has fractured among the first times in a long while and we may be more isolationist for the short term time frame.

- Duran Chase

DELTA CITY TRIBUNE

In recent events, the Populist Party re-defeated the Nationalist Party and remained in power. The Populist Party, led by Premier Dave Wellington, received 57 delegate votes from various districts, while the Nationalist Party, led by Representative Walter Richelieu, only won 7 votes from his native Camden Province. One delegate vote was won by the Christian Party. Fighting erupted in Camden when a peaceful rally for the Capitalist Party, which won 2 votes, was violently put down by Populist Party police. The Juthopia Police Force intervened, and arrested 27 Populist officials; they will be sent to the Criminal Rehabilitation Ward in Auburnmouth.

Ellen Cherbourg, Correspondent

As Max Weber said in 1918, an effective state is one that "claims a monopoly of the legitimate use of force within a given territory." The presence of armed sectarian groups in Juthopia is both destabilizing to the state and harmful to its citizens. Wyczestr urges the Juthopian government to crack down on armed factions within its borders and set an example for the rest of the region that vigilantism can NOT be part of a legitimate political system.

Juthopia has sent National Guard regiments to Camden Province to remove the Nationalist vigilantes from their defacto control of law enforcement in the region. Arrestees with minor infractions have been released from the rehabilitation ward, reentering the employment tree at a relatively low level. Representative Walter Richelieu's supposed military captain has been sent to Delta City to be tried for treason, conspiracy, and murder. He will most likely become an entry-level garbage collector when he reenters the employment tree, with probation for life.

Page McConnell
Foreign Minister of Juthopia

((*Crickets Chirp*))

So yeah, we have a thread here guys for RPing, just to let you know...

Channel 63 Marklund Cable:
A protagonist is just about to be killed and his escpae plan can only be moments away.

Suddenly, only static remains on the screen.
Then Hari Jovian, Head anchor of Marklund News Network (MNN) appears on screen. Sorry to interupt your regularly scheduled programming but a state of emergency has been called. It appears that 5 Marklundian Citizens have come down with a new strain of spon plague which is immune to all currently known vaccinations. Their conditions are worsening and it looks as though all may face death. They are sealed off but Spon Plague can have a very long incubation period and as this is an unknown strain we don't know exactly how long this one's is. Any number of citizens may have already been infected. If you currently or soon have the following symtoms please seek medical assistance immediatally.
Symptoms: Headache, Dizziness, Muscle Aches, Excessive Coughing, Diarhea, Pain during urination, stomach pain, or loss of hearing.
And now back to your regularly scheduled programming.

The protagonist waves as the antagonist is driven away in a police car behind bars.

A Juthopia Air plane, flying from Wolburg to Camden (a major city in Juthopia), reports to a Delta City radio tower that a 34-year-old man on board has flu-like symptoms; additionally, he has lost his hearing, he has waves of unbearable stomach pain, and a fever of 106°F. The radio command, with the knowledge of the outbreak of spon plague in Marklund, asks the unknowing flight attendants if the man has other symptoms. After many questions, the Health and Drug Ministry confirmed the status of the man, and consequently, the rest of the passengers on the plane.
Five Hurricane 5-AB fighters leave the Camden Air Force Base to intercept the doomed aircraft. The plane was destroyed over the uninhabited mountainous region west of Camden. If this plane had reached Camden International Airport, the plague would have spread like wildfire across the transportation network across Menotomy. Juthopian officials share the unhappiness of the victims' families; however, they do not regret the decision, now dubbed "The Flight 813 Incident".