OMASC: Omzian + Adejaani Aircraft (R&D, Catalog) [Archive] - Page 5

Omz222

19-04-2005, 00:30

(OOC - Reply to VA's post. However, probably the next response would be around 1-2 days late of your response, since I have alot more matters to attend to IRL. My regrets. ) /OOC

As we are glad that our counterparts at Verdant Archipelago the various aspects of these projects with us. As the Omzian engineering teams are preparing for the prospects of a joint project, and as OMASC is reviewing the request for the Sidearm Turbo, we are willing to draft up the following response:

Sidearm Turbo ARM: After a series of considerations, OMASC is pleased to announce that a production license package, for domestic production of the mentioned project, has been offered to VA at a price of $600 million. Including a series of technical documentations and test equipment, the package will also include 100 live missiles, 200 captive training missiles, and will also involve the dispatch of an Omzian engineering team to assist in setting up the facilities to produce the said product.

Air Launched Suppression Munition: The Omzian design team is highly interested in the current proposal for an economical short-medium range anti-radiation missile, in which the airframe should allow the capability of engaging and reattack ground, sea, and air targets. However, for this missile, we feel that a guidance package consisted of passive radar and GPS would be most suitable, though remote guidance can also be added. A datalink with assets such as AWACS and EW platforms (including those in the air) can also be beneficial for its role. As well, we determine that it would be also possible to fit a laser light energy-homing seeker (loosely based on those of laser-guided weapons) to combat laser-based detection and tracking systems.

As well, we feel that in-mission programmability and retargeting is cruical to the missile, and perhaps additional modes such as loitering and changing flight routes can be added as well. In addition, using such system, we feel that it could also be possible to fit a simple flight system, allowing the missile to fly over a series of GPS waypoints, in order to evade enemy air defence systems. In regards to the rolling airframe, such measure could be taken to improve its maneuveribility, though it could pose a problem for the submunition dispenser, as it would be relatively difficult to dispense submunitions from a rolling dispenser. However, our best suggestion is to fit small thrust-vectoring systems, along with a submunition dispenser that can be fitted with three types of submunitions: a) fragmentation; b) incendiary; or c) guided submunitions (with fragmentation warhead and IR-based seeker)

We estimate that such munition would have a weight of around 500-800lb, with a range of about 40-80km (to combat against medium-range systems), and supesonic speed capability.

Light Attack Craft Guided Rocket: This is also agreeable as a short-range, heavy strike weapon, and the modular sensor package is completely agreeable. This would probably consist of modules with both the basic guidance package and the computer systems (along with a possible battery), and guidance packages could not only consist of those mentioned, but also a special LADAR-homing version as well. In addition, the warhead can also be agreed to, though we would suggest a warehad of around 600kg-800kg with improved fragmentation and incendiary effects, with the AP cap for penetration. With the range, though 20km is a reasonable range, it is still perhaps too insufficant for dealing with some of the newer sensor and weapon systems of bigger vessels.

Thus, we are suggesting a total of two configurations for such missile. Configuration A will feature a rocket or ramjet engine, with a total weight of around 3000kg and a warhead weight of around 600-800kg, in addition to a range of between 30 to 60km, along with a speed of around Mach 1-2. Configuration B will feature either a turbojet or a PDE-turbofan, with a total weight of around 2500-3000kg and a warhead weight 800-1000kg, along with a speed of around Mach 1-2.

Long Range ARM: We are more than happy to deal with the current revised requirement, though with this missile, we would suggest the incorporation of some other anti-ship capability, and capability against ground-based targets as well. The new ARM can be either subsonic or supersonic, though being subsonic can allow additional stealthy characteristics, while the latter can allow improved survivability in high-danger environments (where the enemy can already detect the missile before it gets close) to degrade the hit probability of enemy SAMs and other air defence systems, in addition to minimalizing the response time. We advise seaskimming, since plasma-based LO technologies are still at best sketchy, and are unlikely to be deployed on small missiles. A modular warhead can be interesting, as we feel that the two types of warheads can be suitable for different situations.

Thus, we feel that the current configuration can be a low supersonic speed weapon, with a range of around 250km. Weight can be around 1000 to 2000lbs, with a dual or triple-mode guidance system consisting of passive radar, IR, and GPS. Propulsion can be either PDE-turbofan or ramjet.

ASROC: Though we have our own doubts about the prospects of making it an all-ASuW weapon as a high-expendable weapon, we would advise incorporating both ASW and ASuW capabilities, the first being used against large "supersubs", while the latter being used against larger capital ships and other large amphibious and cargo ships. However, if it is desired, then it could be made as a modification of the existing heavy ASROC designs that were presented to VA.

Adejaani

22-04-2005, 13:32

AHD-3 Seabird ASW/light attack helicopter

An updated version of the venerable SH-60 Seahawk, the AHD-3 Seabird is mostly intended to operate off escorts (eg Frigates, Destroyers and Cruisers). However, the AHD-3 has a slightly smaller fuselage and overall smaller dimensions, but with more uprated engines. A slightly updated sonar suite and additional sonobuoys also feature.

But the primary purpose of the AHD-3 was the addition of a light attack capability. When equipped with detachable wings (similar to those of the AH-64 Apache), the AHD-3 is capable of firing up to eight/8 (four on each wing) Hellfire missiles. While not a significant point, for navies without carriers (or light patrol squadrons), this light attack capability is worth its weight in gold.

Cost per AHD-3 is 18 million.

Al-Sabir

22-04-2005, 16:35

Omz222

22-04-2005, 20:00

Speaking on behalf of the Department of Defence, I'm privileged to notify you of a contract, worth over a billion of US dollars, that has been awarded to the revered aircraft builders of OMASC to fulfill a tender for a light cargo aircraft of the Arab Air Force. The acclaimed C-78A Pelican has proven itself as a potent replacement for our current crop of Elian C-75A light cargo aircraft, an indigenous variant of the ubiquitous C-27J, to our review board. I'm honoured to issue an initial order for THIRTY-TWO (32) C-78A Pelican light cargo aircraft, with available extras, combined with FOUR (4) AC-78C Fire Pelican gunship aircraft, for a total cost of 1,077,000,000.00 USD.

Acknowledging that more Pelican versions will eventually fill up the ranks of the Arab Air Force, I hope to inquire about OMASC's policy on issuing a domestic production license and what standard costs would be tied to such a procurement. Otherwise, I'm confident that suitable arrangement for both parties could be established by a transaction of perhaps goods and natural resources for a license.

Mohammed El Kadi
Department of Defence

To: Mohammed El Kadi, Department of Defence, Al-Sabir
From: OMASC, Export Control Board; Omzian Air Force Weapons Procurement Department

As we are heartwarmed that our allies at Al-Sabir has decided to turn to OMASC for its needs and requirements, we are more than excited to accept the order. Upon further review by both OMASC and the Omzian Air Force, and upon the acknowledgement of the People's Parliament, the order has been processed, with the aircraft already being manufactured. With additional costs of maintenance equipment and discounts, it totals to $1.071 billion total. As well, it is also expected that the construction and delivery would be completed within a period of one year.

In regards to a doemstic production license, though it is indeed possible for an ally, it still depends on the production requirements of the Al-Sabir military, as we have two licenses. One license is an one-time-pay license allowing the production of up to 5,000 aircraft for a service life of 800 years, in which this license consists of a total of $5 billion dollars.

However, if production requirement is low (i.e. below the 200-aircraft mark), another license is a royalty-based license, with the payment of 10% of the unit price of the said aircraft (i.e. if 200 aircraft with an unit price of $100 mil is produced, you would need to pay $2 billion in total for royalty). The royalty option can be very economical for a low-production demand, though for a high production demand, it is still best to choose the first option.

Again, our best wishes to Al-Sabir and our congratulations to them for their ownership of OMASC aircraft, as we eagerly await for any further response from our counterparts in Al-Sabir.

Verdant Archipelago

23-04-2005, 01:47

Sidearm Turbo ARM: After a series of considerations, OMASC is pleased to announce that a production license package, for domestic production of the mentioned project, has been offered to VA at a price of $600 million. Including a series of technical documentations and test equipment, the package will also include 100 live missiles, 200 captive training missiles, and will also involve the dispatch of an Omzian engineering team to assist in setting up the facilities to produce the said product.

We appriciate your assistance in this matter. We have a facility formerly used to produce ASRAAMs available for conversion to Sidearm Turbo ARM productioni, and await your engineering team with baited breath.

Air Launched Suppression Munition: The Omzian design team is highly interested in the current proposal for an economical short-medium range anti-radiation missile, in which the airframe should allow the capability of engaging and reattack ground, sea, and air targets. However, for this missile, we feel that a guidance package consisted of passive radar and GPS would be most suitable, though remote guidance can also be added. A datalink with assets such as AWACS and EW platforms (including those in the air) can also be beneficial for its role. As well, we determine that it would be also possible to fit a laser light energy-homing seeker (loosely based on those of laser-guided weapons) to combat laser-based detection and tracking systems.

As well, we feel that in-mission programmability and retargeting is cruical to the missile, and perhaps additional modes such as loitering and changing flight routes can be added as well. In addition, using such system, we feel that it could also be possible to fit a simple flight system, allowing the missile to fly over a series of GPS waypoints, in order to evade enemy air defence systems. In regards to the rolling airframe, such measure could be taken to improve its maneuveribility, though it could pose a problem for the submunition dispenser, as it would be relatively difficult to dispense submunitions from a rolling dispenser. However, our best suggestion is to fit small thrust-vectoring systems, along with a submunition dispenser that can be fitted with three types of submunitions: a) fragmentation; b) incendiary; or c) guided submunitions (with fragmentation warhead and IR-based seeker)

We estimate that such munition would have a weight of around 500-800lb, with a range of about 40-80km (to combat against medium-range systems), and supesonic speed capability.

We appriciate your suggestions on the development of the ALSM. Your proposed solution is precisely what we require; unless, of course, reducing the range to 20-40km would dramatically decrease the mass and cost of the weapon.

Light Attack Craft Guided Rocket: This is also agreeable as a short-range, heavy strike weapon, and the modular sensor package is completely agreeable. This would probably consist of modules with both the basic guidance package and the computer systems (along with a possible battery), and guidance packages could not only consist of those mentioned, but also a special LADAR-homing version as well. In addition, the warhead can also be agreed to, though we would suggest a warehad of around 600kg-800kg with improved fragmentation and incendiary effects, with the AP cap for penetration. With the range, though 20km is a reasonable range, it is still perhaps too insufficant for dealing with some of the newer sensor and weapon systems of bigger vessels.

Thus, we are suggesting a total of two configurations for such missile. Configuration A will feature a rocket or ramjet engine, with a total weight of around 3000kg and a warhead weight of around 600-800kg, in addition to a range of between 30 to 60km, along with a speed of around Mach 1-2. Configuration B will feature either a turbojet or a PDE-turbofan, with a total weight of around 2500-3000kg and a warhead weight 800-1000kg, along with a speed of around Mach 1-2.

One again, we appriciate your suggestions immensly. While we understand your reservations about the range of the missile, our fast attack craft are generally able to approach our own battlegroups to within 15km in good weather, and 8km in poor conditions without being detected. Even assuming the opfor has superior sensor technology, they will have difficulty detecting the launch platforms against the background clutter.

Another modification we would like to see is a submarine launched version, preferably torpedo launched, giving our SSNs a standoff capability.

We would prefer to avoid the use of ramjets at such low altitudes, and therefor suggest that the rocket and PDE-turbojet propulsion systems would be optimal.

Long Range ARM: We are more than happy to deal with the current revised requirement, though with this missile, we would suggest the incorporation of some other anti-ship capability, and capability against ground-based targets as well. The new ARM can be either subsonic or supersonic, though being subsonic can allow additional stealthy characteristics, while the latter can allow improved survivability in high-danger environments (where the enemy can already detect the missile before it gets close) to degrade the hit probability of enemy SAMs and other air defence systems, in addition to minimalizing the response time. We advise seaskimming, since plasma-based LO technologies are still at best sketchy, and are unlikely to be deployed on small missiles. A modular warhead can be interesting, as we feel that the two types of warheads can be suitable for different situations.

Thus, we feel that the current configuration can be a low supersonic speed weapon, with a range of around 250km. Weight can be around 1000 to 2000lbs, with a dual or triple-mode guidance system consisting of passive radar, IR, and GPS. Propulsion can be either PDE-turbofan or ramjet.

We agree with all your recomendations.

ASROC: Though we have our own doubts about the prospects of making it an all-ASuW weapon as a high-expendable weapon, we would advise incorporating both ASW and ASuW capabilities, the first being used against large "supersubs", while the latter being used against larger capital ships and other large amphibious and cargo ships. However, if it is desired, then it could be made as a modification of the existing heavy ASROC designs that were presented to VA.

Our purpose in restricting the ASROC to surface targets was to decrease the cost of the system. Our light attack craft are quite capable of evading most submarine attacks; however, if the unit price will not dramatically increase with the addition of submarine tracking equipment, we see no reason not to include the capability.

Scandavian States

23-04-2005, 03:00

Omz222

23-04-2005, 03:17

[Omz, if you wouldn't mind, send me your e-mail addy over t-gram and I'll send you a .txt document with all of my current missiles. If you don't mind, I'd like you to do a wholesale replacement of them using PDE technology. However, leave the strategic missiles alone, I haven't decided whether or not I want to replace them with ICCMs.]
OOC: Well, unless it's absolutely necessary, I am at the current time viewing the stats for your missiles in the OMP forums (which you posted in September I believe). If you've changed it, I'll tg you my email. For now however, I already have much of the stats for the prototype missiles done. When I post it here, tell me what you think.

As for ICCMs, I'll probably recommend you to keep them instead of replacing them with ICCMs. For my ICCMs, they are more of a deterrent weapon or an intercontinental-range strike weapon, launched from land-based bases (aka bunkers), than anything else. Similarily, it can't really be launched from ship or aircraft, and unlike other missiles, they are used to strike large-scale military bases or large economic targets (aka business and industrial districts of cities, large airports, and large ports). You might want to reconsider.

Omz222

23-04-2005, 03:20

Statistics for Prototype Missiles

XBGM-501 Roundel Medium-Range Anti-Ship Missile
Length: 6.7m
Diameter: 0.63m (24.5 inch)
Wingspan: 1.5m
Weight: 1800kg (3968lb)
Guidance: Inertial with GPS, active/passive radar and imaging IR at terminal
Propulsion: PDE-turbofan hybrid, with rocket booster
Speed: Mach 2.2 seaskim, mach 3.2 high altitude
Range: 280km seaskim, 430km high altitude
Altitude: Seaskim/Low Altitude, or 60,000ft altitude
Warhead: 430kg (948lb) HE with armour-piercing tip

XBGM-502 Longaxe Medium Range Cruise Missile
Length: 11.8m
Diameter: 0.85m
Wingspan: Bending body
Weight: 6000kg (13,227lb)
Guidance: Inertial with GPS, imaging IR optional at terminal
Propulsion: Pulse detonation, with rocket booster
Speed: Mach 3.4 low altitude, Mach 4.9 high altitude
Range: 410km seaskim, 1400km high altitude
Altitude: Seaskim/Low altitude, or 76,000ft altitude
Warhead: 900kg (1984lb) HE or 320kg penetrator

XBGM-503 Arquebus Long Range Cruise Missile
Length: 14.2m
Diameter: 1.2m
Wingspan: Bending body
Weight: 10,800kg (23,809lb)
Guidance: Inertial with GPS, imaging IR optional at terminal
Propulsion: Pulse detonation, with rocket booster
Speed: Mach 5.6
Range: 3200km
Altitude: 82,000ft altitude
Warhead: 1800kg (3968lb) HE or 700kg penetrator

Scandavian States

23-04-2005, 05:13

[That's right, I had forgotten about that. Yeah, that reference is still good. Just one thing about the missiles, the whole point of bending body designs is that they don't need wings. Also, I tend to rely on LIDAR and pulse radar mapping at the terminal stage.

As for the ICCMs, my thoughts are this: the NS earth is simply too large for ICBMs to be very practicle for extra-regional strikes and for intra-regional strikes ICCMs would be far more cost effective. Also, I can see no reason as to why an ICCM can't be launched from an SSBN's tubes.]

Omz222

23-04-2005, 05:19

As for the ICCMs, my thoughts are this: the NS earth is simply too large for ICBMs to be very practicle for extra-regional strikes and for intra-regional strikes ICCMs would be far more cost effective. Also, I can see no reason as to why an ICCM can't be launched from an SSBN's tubes.]
OOC: Still too big and much of a hassle. Keep in mind that the ICCMs are launched via a piggy-back configuration on land, thus this would be more difficult on submarines where you have to launch the missiles while submerged (even considering that most submarines needs to be around periscope depth or only a bit deeper to launch other missiles as well). Further, the missiles are too big to be fitted into a ship anyways, and that neither are they going to fit in a tube (as they're not the regular tube-shaped missiles fitted into a canister, they do not have pop-up/extended wings, and they aren't designed to be seawater corrosion-resistant).

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As for VA's post, I'll be sure to get an reply tomorrow.

Scandavian States

23-04-2005, 05:28

Omz222

23-04-2005, 05:38

[Perhaps you wouldn't mind clarifying what this piggy-back configuration is? If you mean rail-launched. like on a mobile launcher, I still don't see a problem coming up with a design that can be silo-launched. Also, from what I can see, your missiles aren't any bigger than my ICBMs, although the fact that they're so large does make me wonder somewhat. Are these terrain-huggers or something?]
OOC: Although the information is pretty much concealed ICly (not quite classified, but it is rather "available-upon-request"), the two main configurations are silo or bunker, with railway-based launchers also available. In both instances however, they are launched via a rail-based configuration. As for the piggyback configuration of the missile itself, it's basically a rocket with a missile attached. on the "belly" of the fuselage. Think of the Space Shuttle.

With the flight profile, they aren't quite terrain-huggers, though they do fly at a low altitude sometimes for shorter-ranged missions. However, in most of the times they fly at very high altitudes, to avoid the threat of medium-range SAMs, MANPADs, and AAAs, even though they would be somewhat exposed to long-range SAM systems at that altitude.

Scandavian States

23-04-2005, 06:11

Omz222

23-04-2005, 06:21

[Looking back at the US and USSR attempts, I see what you mean by the piggy-back config. Those are some seriously massive missiles when the boosters are attached.

I wonder if it wouldn't be possible to create an ICCM by taking the Arquebus and widening it out to 2m while keeping the same warhead. You'd be looking at volume increase of roughly 4-4.5x what the current Arquebus has, which means a lot of fuel.]
OOC: It would have the range equivalent to an IRBM, but still not quite a true "inter-continental" (IRL) or "inter-region" (NS) weapon. Another focus of the ICCM is survivability and payload, where in comparison, the ICCM has better "soft" and "hard protection" (with jammers, decoys, and light armour) while it also has enough payload to devastate a portion of a base or a whole industrial district of a small city.

Scandavian States

23-04-2005, 06:35

[Well, my primary concern with these would be counter-force or retaliatory nuclear strikes inside Haven. However, for general purpose strikes I can either buy some of Artista's neat little C4 replacement or develop something of my own. I figure 3,000kg of the stuff should be more than sufficient to take out an industrial are or parts of a base when a single Tomahawk can devastate a 1/2km square area.]

Omz222

23-04-2005, 06:40

OOC: Hmm... C4 replacement? I'd be interested in the link, if you will.

As well, for regional strikes, I tend to favour large-sale bomber strikes, where there's more flexibility and where they could be operated from my base in the north. The ICCMs are more for deterrence rather than anything else, where its primary targets would be economical, sanitation, and power supply.

Scandavian States

23-04-2005, 08:02

[I guess we're just talking doctrine now. My main concern is, can it be done?]

Omz222

23-04-2005, 08:03

OOC: Would be a no if you use a ship-based platform, I'd say.

Scandavian States

23-04-2005, 08:22

[Would you mind explaining in detail why? If you just make the Arquebus wider and make the tanks accordingly bigger I can't see why it couldn't be done. I mean, we'd be taking the piggy-back out of the equation, which is a solution that I dislike on the principle that it was the only option for a viable cruise missile in the infancy of long-range missile development during the 50s.

Btw, the explosive Artitsa uses is called octonitrocubane (ONC), its explosive power is equal to about 400% of TNT. Considering that C4 is roughly 150% (I think), you get an idea of just how big a bang this thing will make.]

Omz222

23-04-2005, 09:02

OOC: The Arquebus is still by every means, a medium range strategic cruise missile with a PDE engine. I'm not saying that it cannot be done, but enlarging the fuel tanks to a point where the whole airframe design (what is basically required to double or triple its range) would need to be changed is simply too much of a hassle where the efficency of such design diminishes in terms of performance, and this fact is even more apparant when you could just use a ballistic missile with a rocket-powered engine. As well, since such missile would still need a rocket booster to actually "get it going", since you have a missile that's so big, you would need another bigger rocket booster, which only adds to the weight and size. In the end, it can be done as essentially you could make an astronomically-large version of the Arquebus, but would be inefficent and therefore not worth the money to operate, especially when you compare it to other systems such as ballistic missiles or the land-based "dedicated" ICCMs which were built from scratch with the intercontinental-strike role in mind. You could design something with an intermediate range (probably 5000km-6000km will be the edge), though as for intercontinental designs absed on the Arquebus, I'm not so sure.

EDIT: To think further, perhaps it could be possible with some modifications taken into the design, though you would still be limited to size as many subs just aren't designed to handle something so big. I can think of a modified design of some of the original ICCMs that can be launched from subs AND aircraft, though the rocket booster still presents a problem. Down to the basics, it's basically a huge tube with a pointed nose and a relatively "clean" fuselage, with TVC for controls and side rocket boosters for the initial boost. Still too inefficent for the intercontinental-range role when compared to something like a ballistic missile, but it should be able to delivery conventional warheads better with more ease.

Scandavian States

23-04-2005, 09:20

Omz222

23-04-2005, 18:12

[A booster is already figured into the design of the Arquebus, right? If so, you're going to get a 1:1 increase in PDE fuel to booster fuel. The booster should be good to get the missile to about 150 meters, which is really all you need before the PDE kicks in.]
OOC: Normally the booster should help the missile to achieve its altitude before the main engine kicks in, but since this missile fly at so high of an altitude, the booster would boost the missile to a medium altitude. However, as said before, the problem is still that in order to double or triple its range, you would need some redesign of the airframe to enlargen its fuel tanks, thus making it more cumbersome. You don't need a 1:1 increase for the boosters, but the resultant rocket booster would be too large to allow the missile to operate from submarines. In The end, a design based on the Arquebus would be too inefficent, and it's best to look into something else, unless you completely and utterly redesign the Arquebus airframe to a point where it's no longer an Arquebus.

Scandavian States

23-04-2005, 22:15

[I doesn't have to be an Arquebus, the basic concept of the missile body just has to carry through.]

Omz222

23-04-2005, 22:25

[I doesn't have to be an Arquebus, the basic concept of the missile body just has to carry through.]
OOC: As I said, it's considerable more difficult to design one when following the Arquebus design, where there's no wings, it has low RCS designs (think of a "pointed-nose" and more streamlined version of the ACM), and there's a bending body. Such requirements are more difficult to achieve with an ICCM design, especially the first and the third requirements. In the end, though it indeed is possible to deploy such weapon on submarines, other weapons should also be considered for the strategic role (for example, ballistic missiles), though you could just have the submarines get closer to the enemy shore and launch shorter-ranged weapons as well. For us however, the reason why we've deployed it is still because our policy and our lack of nukes or ICBMs (I've designed some, but never deployed them in military service, for example).

Scandavian States

23-04-2005, 22:43

Omz222

23-04-2005, 22:54

[Omz, I've been using those "other weapons" for a very long time now. The reason I'm asking for the ICCMs is because they fit the weapon profile of my evolving doctrine. I realize that this isn't all that easy to design, but if we waited for advancements to become easy we'd still be stuck in the Stone Age.]
OOC: Perhaps, I'll see what I can think of, and perhaps it'll become a reality and also be a replacement for my other four ICCMs as well. Right now however, time to smash away my project.

Teh ninjas

23-04-2005, 23:43

Omz222

24-04-2005, 07:17

"The Democratic Empire of teh Ninjas wishes to purchase the following aircraft:
192 EB-52W@72M=13.826B
96 E-5 Watchtower@70M=6.72B
176 C-78A Pelican@26.9M=4.7344B
88 C-78A Pelican with Electric Attack Pod and Full-function EW System@28.7M=2.5256B
88 C-117 Skytruck@360M=31.68B
44 KC-117 Skycamel@380M=16.72B

We also wish to inquire how many para soldiers would the C-117 be able to accomodate?"
Jack Fergunson
Department of Defense
To: Mr. Fergunson, Department of Defense, Democratic Empire of teh Ninjas
From: OMASC

As we are both thankful and excited to see another contract proposal being handed to OMASC from a foreign government, after much consideration, we are willing to export the requested aircraft models to the nation of teh Ninjas. As their export has not been greatly restricted, we place our trust on the military of teh Ninjas to put them into good use.

It has been determined that the contract, with the total unit prices, discounts, additional costs for delivery, and the costs of associated maintenance and support equipment, numbers to a total of $77.2 billion dollars. Though we will deliver the full number of aircraft only when the funds are received, production will continue for all the aircraft for a period of five years, as delivery will be accomplished in a similar timeframe.

In regards to the additional inquiry, the C-117 Skytruck aircraft is capable of carrying about 450-500 paratroopers (along with their equipment) for airborne missions. Additionally, it is also capable of carrying air-dropped light fighting vehicles for these airborne forces, as well as ensuring their security through the use of onboard ECM and countermeasures systems.

As we eagerly await for an reply, our best luck to our counterparts at teh Ninjas, as we wish that these OMASC-designed and manufactured aircraft will serve them well.

Omz222

24-04-2005, 07:32

(some reply to VA. Also, are you intending to produce some of the stats yourself, or jointly? I'm sure that I can come up with some basic characteristics for the missiles on my own. Either way, if you are comfortable with the thought, we could draft up some basic specifications and descriptions of the weapon. im addy thru tg would also be helpful)

In regards to the current proposals, we are glad to receive Verdant Archipelago's response in regards to the ALSM weapon system. Though we feel that the reduction of the range would indeed reduce the mass of the weapon and allow for an increase of the warhead size, we feel that such range is what is exactly required to combat the newer "short" and medium range air defence systems, thus not putting the launch aircraft in great danger. As well, such max range also allows greater reattack and loitering capabilities at closer ranges, thus increasing flexibility and versatility.

In regards to the Light Attack Rocket, though we will take VA's concerns in mind, we also understand the current doctines of the VA military, even considerign the differences between our doctrine and theirs. However, though we do trust the claims of our counterparts at Verdant Archipelago, we do still feel that putting the craft in visual range for firing such weapon is exceedingly dangerous. Thus, we suggest Verdant Archipelago to consider a revised version of Configuration B, with a weight of around 1800-2200kg, a warhead mass of 1200-1400kg, and a range of around 30-50km for OTH attacks. Submarine operation capability is also considered, and a canistered version may be designed to allow the missile to be launched from 660mm TTs and/or VLS systems.

In regards to the ASROCs, we do still understand the current concerns raised by Verdant Archipelago, though we are sure that the addition of such capabilities would have advantages that outweights its disadvantages. In regards to this weapon, we are comfortable with both prospects of developing the weapon ourselves, or jointly, based on the existing heavy ASROCs employed by the Omzian military.

Teh ninjas

24-04-2005, 15:08

Scandavian States

24-04-2005, 22:10

Omz222

24-04-2005, 22:39

"The Democratic Empire of teh Ninjas again turns to your establishment to equip our aircraft with the best and most advance missiles avaliable. If these missiles perform to our expectations we will fully replace our current stockpile of missiles with your own. Our current order is as follows:
12,000 AIM-120P@640K=7.68B
5,000 AIM-315B@970K=4.85B
5,000 AIM-315A@970K=4.85B
15,000 MIM-316A Slingshot@250K=3.75B

Total is 21.13 Billion. The funds from our previous order has been sent to the appropiate account.

We also wish to inquire if the AIM-317 Basilisk is ready for general export."
Jack Fergunson
Department of Defense

As OMASC is delighted to see teh Ninjas to propose another contract with us, we have little hesitation to reejct such offer. With the fact taken into mind that the AIM-120P has an unit price of $650,000 USD, upon further review, we determine the total cost, including discounts and delivery fees, numbers to a total of $20.25 billion in total. However, though the Slingshot is compatible with modified launchers of other types, we must warn that the Slingshot is specifically designed for the SADV-7, thus the operation of the missile from other platforms may hinder its full potentials and performance.

With that aside, the missiles, as a part of a large production cycle, will be delivered within a time frame of 6 NS years. As well, in regards to the inquiry, upon some consideraton and review, we are willing to export such missile to the nation of teh Ninjas.

Omz222

24-04-2005, 22:40

[Omz, would it be possible for you to do ALCM variants of the cruise missiles you've already done? My bomber doctrine relies primarily on stand-off weapons, and not having air-launched variants of the new missiles would be a big blow.]
OOC: Actually, they are air-launched, with secondary surface-launch capability. When air launched, they will have the benefit of a slightly longer range, along with the deduction of the rocket booster.

Scandavian States

24-04-2005, 23:35

[Ah, thanks. What're the ranges and booster weights?]

Omz222

26-04-2005, 07:36

[Ah, thanks. What're the ranges and booster weights?]
OOC: Assume a ~100-200km addition to the ranges, though for the two latter, the ranges are for air-launched (since I actually assumed that you meant ALCMs). With boosters, I haven't quite figured that out yet, and it's probably around 1/3rd of the weight of the missile.

Scandavian States

26-04-2005, 17:41

[*blinks* What gave you that impression? I did, after all, only give you the dimensions of my VLS cells. Oh well, no matter, I shall just subtract the range from the missiles for surface launch.]

Omz222

27-04-2005, 00:05

OOC: I was assuming that you were going to use them as a secondary role, so I kept the limitations in mind (though for the final versions of the missiles I'm considering to make them even bigger, possibly also producing an ER variant of the Arquebus). Also, just a clarification for my own navy also, can Freethinker's Tactical version of the MRVLS carry light-medium AShMs such as Harpoon?

As for number of missiles carried:
B-101A - 4x (std) or 6x (max) Longaxe (2-3x per bomb bay); 3x Arquebus (1x per bomb bay)
B-105A - 6x (std) or 12x (max) Longaxe (1-3x per bombbay); 4x (std) or 8x (max) Arquebus (1-2x per bomb bay)
B-106A - 2x Longaxe (1x per bomb bay)
Note: (std) denotes standard load allowing ntercontinental strike range, while (max) denotes max load allowing regional strike range.

Scandavian States

27-04-2005, 02:28

[Ah, no it does not. Anyway, I would rather prefer you not make the Arquebus any longer, because it's already at the edge of what even Freethinker' Mk72 Strategic Single-Load will fit. Anyway, the dimensions for Freethinkers' VLS are the following:

Tactical Single-Load:
6.8m Lx1.4m W

Strategic Single-Load:
14.2m Lx1.4m W

Harpoon Dimensions:
4.55m Lx0.3429m W

This means that a Tac Single can carry 4 Harpoons with a properly configured sleeve. A Tac Double can almost carry 12, but isn't quite long enough so it is stuck with 8.]

Omz222

27-04-2005, 02:34

OOC: Ah, the info will probably be very helpful for the future, both weapon and warfighting wise, so my thanks. In regards to the size, basically what I'm planning is an Arquebus with a range rivaling those of IRBMs (though with more or less a lighter payload), which will be deployed on specially-modified B-105 bombers (since the bomb bays aren't large enough to handle somethign so big), and perhaps Freethinker's Strategic Double-Load as well. In fact, if you are patient enough, I'll probably come up with some newer replacement bombers for the summertime as well once the workload's lighter, once I'm done with the two aircraft projects and the SAMs.

Scandavian States

27-04-2005, 02:50

Omz222

27-04-2005, 02:53

[I imagine I'll be too busy slogging through Ft. Benning's wilderness by the time you get around to making the new bombers that I probably won't even have a chance to notice what you have and haven't done. Going through the Basic, Infantry, Airborne, and Ranger schools will do that.]
OOC: Don't worry, and I don't see how internet access could be cut for anything more than several months at most (though in no way am I informed in regards to military training cycles in the US). In the meanwhile, the stuff will still be up (for my own use also), so when you get back to NS we could negotiate some more deals.

Scandavian States

27-04-2005, 03:20

Omz222

28-04-2005, 03:27

[To the best of my knowledge recruits and trainees aren't even allowed computers. That changes big time once you have a permanent duty station, but not until then.

Btw, do you think it would be possible to convert the Arquebus into a VLS-launchable drone?

EDIT: Also, given the range of the Arquebus and comparing it to the PRC's IRBMs, I would judge the Arquebus as having sufficient range to be classified as an IRBM.]

OOC: In regards to the first matter, that's not much of a problem, as I won't have too much stuff if you happen to have computer access (which I do not doubt). As well, for the second question, a drone might possible, though it is definately a rather inefficent one as its propulsion is suited more for direct attacks rather than loitering. A turbofan-powered (or PDE-turbofan) version might be possible for OTH reconaissance and targeting, but it's best to either base it off a smaller missile or start from scratch.

With the range, I'd say it's a cross between (or more) the ranges of China's newer MRBMs and older IRBMs, though the older IRBMs are largely obsolete and are replaced by newer MRBMs to be used against regional targets. For NS, it's probably a good regional strike weapon.

Teh ninjas

28-04-2005, 03:42

Scandavian States

28-04-2005, 04:08

Ras Xaafun

28-04-2005, 17:02

The those whom it may concern,

The Grand Duchy of Ras Xaafun is undergoing a military reconstruction and modernisation program and would therefore like to purchase three thousand two hundred (3,200) MGM-329A Long Range SAMs. The appropriate moneys will be transferred.

Yours,
Gerald Caerns,
Defence Secretary.

OOC: If this figure seems excessive please tell me. It's an utter stab in the dark as I am a complete newbie Lol

Omz222

29-04-2005, 00:24

"The Democratic Empire of teh Ninjas is happy to announce that OSMASC has been granted a large contract for complete replacment of our missile and bomb stashes. Our order is as follows:
12,000 AIM-120P@640K=7.68B
5,000 AIM-315B@970K=4.85B
5,000 AIM-315A@970K=4.85B
15,000 MIM-316A Slingshot@250K=3.75B
12,000 AIM-317 Basilisk@149K=1.788B

450 AVD-1 Broom Closet@38M=17.1B

Total=40.018 Billion

Expect more purchases once more of our old munitions have been used, or destroyed."
Jack Shwan
Department of Defense

To: Department of Defense, teh Ninjas

As we are both astonished and heartwarmed that teh Ninjas is willing to issue us another proposed contract, we look on such prospect with great enthusiasm. Though we do share our concerns about the skyrocketing production requirements, we are nevertheless willing to fulfill such order in exchange for a great sum of monetary funds. Taking the fact that the AIM-120P has an unit price of $650,000 US dollars into account, the total price is determined to be a total of $42 billion dollars, including delivery charges and maintenance equipment.

Due to the huge production demand, it is expected that production and delivery will be concluded within a period of 8 years.

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The those whom it may concern,

The Grand Duchy of Ras Xaafun is undergoing a military reconstruction and modernisation program and would therefore like to purchase three thousand two hundred (3,200) MGM-329A Long Range SAMs. The appropriate moneys will be transferred.

Yours,
Gerald Caerns,
Defence Secretary.

OOC: If this figure seems excessive please tell me. It's an utter stab in the dark as I am a complete newbie Lol

To: Defence Secretary, Ras Xaafun

Although we look onto the prospect of a growing number of customs with much enthusiasm, and although we do thank our counterparts in Ras Xaafun in considering us as an arms contractor, we do share some concerns for the order. The foremost is the finances, as we believe that there's very little way for your nation to afford a contract that amounts to tens of billions, when your nation's economy and other elements are simply incapable of handling such financial strain, let alone maintaining such missile systems.

In addition, there has been many other important concerns as well. Another problem is the fact that these missiles requires specific sensors, control facilities, and launchers, as it would be overly obvious that due to the sensitive nature of the missile, it is not designed to be operated by foreign-designed, incompatible launchers. Furthermore, assuming that our counterparts at Ras Xaafun has fully read the descriptions, these missiles are available only to close allies in the form of special contracts.

Though we are indeed enthusiastic about the prospect of welcoming newer nations, we are afraid that due to various circumstances, we cannot provide the requested product. However, in a friendly show of gesture, we invite the nation to explore many of our other products, including lightweight fighter aircraft and trainers (the AT-104) that might suit a new nation under financial strains.

Omz222

29-04-2005, 00:31

[If you can base it off of a smaller missile, that's cool. Just so long as it has decent range.

Btw, the drones I am proposing aren't really meant to loiter. What I have in mind is a simple NPI radar and burst transmission uplink/downlink. They'd basically just keep moving along until they found something or ran out of fuel, if they found something they'd gather as much info as possible and upload it to a waiting satellite before going into a kamakazi dive towards the nearest ship. So the platform needs at least 1000km range and also needs to be as cheap as possible.]
OOC: I think the range is possible, but I'd recommend passive sensors such as IR instead, as they are more precise while being passive only (remember, systems such as LPI/whatnot are only aids, and you don't need a warning from an aircraft-mounted RWR to see that there's an enemy LPI radar transmitting signals), and though datalinking is an unavoidable element in an UAV, you'll stll want to stay as concealed as possible with UAVs. It is also possible to fit other passive systems, including ESM-like systems to detect enemy transmissions, and a nightvision-capable camera. The speed also shouldn't be fast, as the chance of loitering and precisely tracking something with an UAV flying at Mach 3 is next to nil.

Scandavian States

29-04-2005, 14:18

Omz222

29-04-2005, 15:12

[It's meant to be a recon drone, not a UAV. All that's necessary is that the drone be able to detect the general location of an enemy fleet, I wouldn't use a UAV for targetting even if the capability were there. Cheap and expendable by design are what I'm looking for.]
OOC: Keep in mind that an unmanned drone, no matter what role it has, is an UAV, unless the definition of a drone greatly differs from those of an UAV. As for recon, though I do understand the need for it to be cheap, it wouldn't hurt much to add some basic targeting capabilities.

Omz222

01-05-2005, 21:06

OMASC Releases Final Specifications of Missiles

BGM-501 Roundel Medium-Range Anti-Ship Missile
Length: 6.4m
Diameter: 0.63m (24.5 inch)
Wingspan: 1.5m
Weight: 1800kg (3968lb)
Guidance: Inertial with GPS, active/passive radar and imaging IR at terminal
Propulsion: PDE-turbofan hybrid, with rocket booster
Speed: Mach 2.2 seaskim, mach 3.1 high altitude; Mach 3 at terminal
Range: 280km seaskim, 430km high altitude
Altitude: Seaskim/Low Altitude, or 60,000ft altitude
Warhead: 430kg (948lb) HE with armour-piercing tip
Unit Cost: $2.3 million

This is a new medium-range anti-ship missile designed to take advantage of newer propulsion, guidancem, and airframe technologies. A descent of the Sea Horse, it incorporates severa airframe changes to allow it to travel at a supersonic speed, taking advantage of a relatively "clean" airframe and the extensive application of RAM coatings and lightweight composite materials, while deleting the light armour protection of the missile to increase efficency.

Taking advantage of its agility, the missile has several key features that others do not. The first and foremost is the ability to conduct evasive maneuvers in times of danger, as its LADAR and radar warning systems (consisting of laser-detection nodes across the missile) allows the missile to acknowledge dangers such as CIWS radars and radar lock-ons, consequently enabling it to conduct evasive maneuvers with its thrust-vectoring propulsion system. Its GPS capability also permits it to be programmed to fly over a maximum of five waypoints, thus neglecting the need for a straight math, while inflicting surprise on the enemy as it attacks in unexpected directions. It can also be datalinked to AWACS and shipboard systems to further refine its accuracy and precision, while it also features other datalinking systems to allow these missiles to operate in groups, each sharing targeting information among each other. Alternatively, the missile can also target land and coastal targets, though this is not frequently exercised.

When it begins to fly closer to the seaborne target, it will decrease its altitude, as its advanced imaging IR seeker will identify the target with the use of a large database, thus allowing the missile to hit vessels of specific sizes and types. It can also target specific parts on a vessel, such as the engine space or the guns. Its imaging IR seeker also has improved capabilities against decoys and countermeasure systems deployed by enemy vessels. Additionally, it also features a dual active/passive radar system, though active radar is rarely used as it would alert the enemy of its presence. Once the target is known, it either increases speed and flys straight towards the enemy ship and targets a specific point on the vessel (in low altitude profile), or it climbs to a medium altitude and then dives down to hit the deck of the enemy vessel (in both high and low profiles).

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BGM-502 Longaxe Medium Range Cruise Missile
Length: 11.8m
Diameter: 0.85m
Weight: 6000kg (13,227lb)
Guidance: Inertial with GPS, active/passive radar and imaging IR optional at terminal
Propulsion: Pulse detonation, with rocket booster
Speed: Mach 3.4 low altitude, Mach 4.9 high altitude; Mach 4.5 at terminal
Range (Air Launch): 410km seaskim, 1400km high altitude
Range (Sea Launch): 380km seaskim, 1100km high altitude
Altitude: Seaskim/Low altitude, or 76,000ft altitude
Warhead: 900kg (1984lb) HE or 320kg penetrator
Carrying Capacity: 4-6 (B-101A), 6-12 (B-105A), 2 (B-106A)
Unit Cost (available to allies only): $4.5 million

BGM-503 Arquebus Long Range Cruise Missile
Length: 13.9m
Diameter: 1.2m
Weight: 10,800kg (23,809lb)
Guidance: Inertial with GPS, imaging IR optional at terminal
Propulsion: Pulse detonation, with rocket booster
Speed: Mach 5.4; Mach 6 at terminal;
Range (Air Launch): 3400km
Range (Sea Launch): 3100km
Altitude: 82,000ft altitude
Warhead: 1800kg (3968lb) HE or 700kg penetrator
Carrying Capacity: 3 (B-101A), 4-8 (B-105A)
Unit Cost (available to close allies only): $5.8 million

The Longaxe and Arquebus missiles are the members of a small family of missiles that is a direct descent of the Bankaran and Shooting Star long range missiles previously developed by OMASC. Greatly improved versions of the older missiles, the Longaxe is a dual anti-ship and land attack missile, while the Arquebus is specifically configured to conduct the land attack function. Both features a similar airframe design, with a bending body scheme and a thrust-vectoring system, while the relatively "clean" (uncluttered) airframe is constructed with lightweight, temperature-resistant composites, and is coated with RAM to reduce the RCS. While the lightweight armour protection scheme is deleted to increase the payload and range of these missiles, these missiles are now powered by a new pulse detonation engine, with a rocket booster to create a greater boost for surface launch, to increase speed and high altitude performance.

In terms of guidance packages, these missiles are much the same, though the Longaxe is further optimized for the ship attack mission. Both features a GPS guidance system coupled with an imaging IR seeker, while the Longaxe is also equipped with a radar system for greater versatility. Though both missiles travels at a high speed, when flying in a high altitude profile, these missiles can be configured to fly over up to three GPS waypoints, allowing the missiles to achieve an element of surprise and bypass enemy short-range air defence systems. Datalinking can also be possible with AWACS and satellite systems, and the missiles' flight path can also be directly controlled by the launching bomber in the case of air launch, giving the missile a reattack capability when air launched. It also boasts a small ECM system consisting of a small radar jammer and LADAR and radar warning systems to counter the threat of radar or enemy LADAR-guided short-range air defence systems. During the terminal phase, both missiles will increase their speed while lowering their altitude, as they can either attack with a straight path towards the target, or a 70-80 degree dive towards the target.

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RQM-502 Longeye Reconaissance Drone
Weight: 5400kg
Length: 11.4m
Diameter: 0.85m
Propulsion: Turbofan
Speed: Mach 0.78
Range: 2100km at 8 hour endurance
Payload: Four payload module bays, each accepting imaging IR, nightvision capable camera, LADAR, LPI radar, SAR, Noran SKA5 radar jammer, or submunition dispenser (with 60x CEB bomblets, 5x BAT, or 50x BLU-92/B anti-personnel mines)
Cost: $1.8 million

The Longeye is a radically modified version of the Longaxe cruise missile, which is designed to provide naval ships with a short to medium-endurance reconaissance capability. Though the airframe design and the VLS launch capability are largely retained, a pair of wings has been added to suit the flight profile and mission of the Longeye, while the PDE engine has been replaced by a highly efficent turbofan, along with a smaller rocket booster. In addition, the warhead has been replaced by a total of four "payload module bays", each housing a sensor, radar jammer or a submunition dispenser. This also allows a larger fuel tank to be installed, increasing range and endurance. In addition, due to the subsonic speed, a number of RCS-reduction measures, including the modification of some parts of the airframe, the application of RAM, and the installation of RAS structures, has been applied to decrease the radar signature.

However, the centerpiece is probably the reconaissance and attack capabilities of the Longeye. Though being a cheap, economical naval drone, its VLS launch allows great flexibility, allowing it to be operated from a variety of ships. With its sensors it is the eye of the sky, as it is capable of flying ahead of naval fleets to conduct observation duties over both sea and land, and provide targeting data when necessary. Additionally, its passive ESM and LADAR and radar warning systems also allows the drone to detect the electronic signals emitted by enemy ships, aircraft, and ground systems, while its radar jammer allows the drone to disrupt the performance of enemy radars, providing cover for friendly missiles and aircraft. Its submunition dispenser also allows the drone to possess a light attack capability, as its variety of submunitions can cause havoc against both enemy ships and ground targets.

In a regular mission, the Longeye is launched from onboard VLS systems to a medium altitude, allowing it to fly over a series of waypoints assigned to the drone. As it begins to fly over its assigned flight path, the drone then can autonomous transmit data and live video feeds through a secure radio-based datalinking system and a line-of-sight laser-based communication system, to ships, aircraft, and even satellites. When an enemy naval formation is detected, its automated nature allows it to automatically inform friendly units the general location of the enemy naval formation, and can also provide targeting information if necessary.

From there, it can either continue to transmit data, or shut off its datalink and conduct a dive towards an enemy ship, thus inflicting some forms of damage onto the enemy ship at the expense of the drone. Alternatively, if it is equipped with a submunition dispenser or/and a radar jammer, it can then either loiter to provide radar jamming support for friendly missiles and aircraft, or dispense its submunitions onto enemy ships, inflicting damage on the ship's sensors and weapon systems (for example, VLS cells) with its submunitions, and causing havoc against repair workers and sailors with its anti-personnel mines.

Al-Sabir

05-05-2005, 10:01

To: Mohammed El Kadi, Department of Defence, Al-Sabir
From: OMASC, Export Control Board; Omzian Air Force Weapons Procurement Department

As we are heartwarmed that our allies at Al-Sabir has decided to turn to OMASC for its needs and requirements, we are more than excited to accept the order. Upon further review by both OMASC and the Omzian Air Force, and upon the acknowledgement of the People's Parliament, the order has been processed, with the aircraft already being manufactured. With additional costs of maintenance equipment and discounts, it totals to $1.071 billion total. As well, it is also expected that the construction and delivery would be completed within a period of one year.

In regards to a doemstic production license, though it is indeed possible for an ally, it still depends on the production requirements of the Al-Sabir military, as we have two licenses. One license is an one-time-pay license allowing the production of up to 5,000 aircraft for a service life of 800 years, in which this license consists of a total of $5 billion dollars.

However, if production requirement is low (i.e. below the 200-aircraft mark), another license is a royalty-based license, with the payment of 10% of the unit price of the said aircraft (i.e. if 200 aircraft with an unit price of $100 mil is produced, you would need to pay $2 billion in total for royalty). The royalty option can be very economical for a low-production demand, though for a high production demand, it is still best to choose the first option.

Again, our best wishes to Al-Sabir and our congratulations to them for their ownership of OMASC aircraft, as we eagerly await for any further response from our counterparts in Al-Sabir.

The precise number of aircraft to be constructed is yet to be determined, though for the basic transport version these are likely to run into triple digits. Therefore, the one-time-pay license is fitting and, consequently, $5 billion will be wired within the thirty-six hours upon the delivery of the construction schemes.

On behalf of the President, I wish to convey to you our gratitude for the swift deal and our laudation for the excellence of your commendable products. The first squadron of C-78A Pelican light transport aircraft has already achieved initial operating capability and is currently involved in the development of operational procedures and a syllabus for training methodologies compatible with our tactical doctrine, all progressing auspiciously.

Further more, this satisfactional transaction has favoured OMASC for prime contractor status in current and future tenders to our defense procurement board. A number of orders:

- 144 EF-35Z - $8.928 billion

- 2048 C-115 - $491.52 billion

- 768 C-116 - $445.44 billion

- 2048 C-117 - $737.28 billion

- 768 KC-117 - $291.84 billion

The complete listing seems indeed blatantly excessive, but the Arab Air Force is currently in the vicinity of major reorganizations in the sector of aerial mobility. The military procurement budgets of three FYs have been put aside for this, of course excluding small funds for attrition replacement and for steady expansion in sectors as infantry equipment acquirements.

The total cost of $1,975.008 billion is to be transferred via secure channels to OMASC within the next thirty-six months in seventy-two batches.

The DoD is also interested in your reconnaissance version of the high speed F-125 Rapier, the RF-125D Peeker, but commonality with in-service fighter aircraft is required, so I wish to inquire if OMASC could develop a sensor pod with advanced electronics and "direct" (e.g. IR en EO turrets, high resolution camera ports) reconnaissance equipment for carriage by Arab Air Force fighters, such as the F/A-26B Shuriken, the F-28 Ostwind, the F/A-30 Shiden II and the A-15, possibly based on the equipment carried by the RF-125D. Reconnaissance is not valued highly by the AAF, so that dedicated photoreconnaissance aircraft are a no-go, but authorization has been awarded for the acquirement of podded recon equipment.

I await your reply,

Mohammed El Kadi

Omz222

06-05-2005, 01:09

To: Mohammed El Kadi, Department of Defence, Al-Sabir
From: OMASC, Export Control Board; Omzian Air Force Weapons Procurement Department

With the deal in regards to the production license coming to an conclusion with the expected delivery of technical documentation and a team of Omzian engineers to assist in the establishment of construction facilities for the said aircraft, we are excited that our friends at Al-Sabir is again turning to us for their aeronautical needs, as we are no less than heartwarmed by the compliments sent on behalf of the President of Al-Sabir.

With the further request of an astronomical number of cargo aircraft, we are nevertheless astonished by the requirements set by Al-Sabir, though in no way is this a negative feeling. As a result, we are instead enthusiastic about the prospect of processing such contract proposal, as we are glad to accept the terms, and asks our friends at Al-Sabir to pay a discounted price of $1777.5072 billion US dollars. As the requirements are unusually high and will be demanding for the Omzian production lines, it will take several years, if not just slightly above a decade, to fill out the order with production lines running at full capacity. We are grateful however, as this also promotes us a chance to expand our manufacturing facilities, thus allowing more job opportunities and a larger industrial capacity for the Omzian aerospace industry.

In regards to the requirement of reconaissance equipment, though we will take it into consideration, we must reiterate the facts that the RF-125D boasts an array of reconaissance equipment specifically designed for the F-125C airframe, thus the installation of such systems onto a different aircraft is cumbersome and inefficent at best. However, we will fully agree to the requirements set by the AAF in regards to the sensor pods. As a result, it is expected that OMASC will begin work on a modular, multipurpose set of pods (numbering to a few at best) that will give current combat aircraft an unprecedented reconaissance capability.

With that, we eagerly await for a reply.

OOC: In regards to the pods, I'll get abck to you with the stats, descriptions, and the likes when I'm ready. A pre-mature apology though, as I have a lot of schoolwork to attend to right now, so its highly likely that there will be a delay before the development of the pod is completed.

Omz222

08-05-2005, 00:08

OMASC B-101D Super Bombardier Supersonic Strategic Bomber Upgrade

An Artist's Impression of the B-101D Bombardier (http://www.janes.com/regional_news/americas/news/jdw/jdw030605_1_p.jpg)

Length: 74.42m
Height: 16.9m
Wingspan: 53.8m
Propulsion: Six HEKA-322 PDE-turbofan hybrid engines rated at 82,000lbs (total thrust at about 492,000lbs or 223,167kg)
Empty Weight: 152,000kg
Maximum Takeoff Weight: 361,000kg
Crew: 3 (Pilot/Navigator, Copilot/Defensive Systems Operator, Flight Engineer/Bombardier)
Ceiling: 79,000ft
Range: 8000-9000km with full load at cruise speeds, 14,000km with standard load
Speed: Mach 3.58 max at high altitudes, Mach 2+ cruise, Mach 1.6 supercruise (without afterburner)
Payload: Maximum 54,000kg (~120,000lb) in three bomb bays and two "mini-bays". Standard load is about 40,000kg (~88,900lb).
Cost: $530 million

Standard Number of Munitions Carried (Optimal/Max):
Main Bomb Bays
-60x/45x 2000lb PDAS (20x/15x each bay)
-120x/90x 1000lb PDAS (40x/30x each bay)
-240x/180x 500lb PDAS (80x/60x each bay)
-360x 250lb SPDAS (120x each bay)
-6x Meteor-B (2x each bay)
-30x/21x Roundel AShMs (10x/7x each bay)
-9x/4x Longaxe AShM/ALCMs (3x/2x each bay)
-5x/3x Arquebus ALCMs (2x/1x each bay)
-24x/18x LRALCM-A/B/C ALCMs (8x/6x each bay)
-36x/27x SGAM SRAMs (12x/9x each bay)
-120x Tacit Rainbow (40x each bay)
-48x/36x JASSM (16x/12x each bay)
-2x/3x BLU-200A or BLU-200C heavy penetrators (1x each bay)

Mini-Bays
-6 NALSAR ARMs and equivalents (3 each bay)
-6 AGM-88 HARM/AARGM and equivalents (3 each bay)
-6 AIM-120P NLRAAM and equivalents (3 each bay)
-4 medium fuel tanks (2 each bay)
-8 autonomous decoy drones (4 each bay)

The B-101D Super Bombardier is the result of over a decade of additional studies and observation of the evolving technologies and doctrines around the world. Not only an upgrade of the original, the B-101D changes almost every aspect of the excellent B-101A bomber, and transforms it to a large, high capacity, highly performance and survivability strike platform for the strategic combat of the future.

Design

The B-101D Super Bombardier, like the B-101A, is a heavy bomber aircraft designed for high-speed flights at high altitudes, into high-risk enemy-controlled aircraft. Intended to deliver a wide array of precision strike munitions, it incorporates an airframe optimized for speed, thus sacrifing low observable characteristics for greater performance. The airframe of the B-101D, like the B-101A, incorporates a delta-wing airframe similar to those of the XB-70 and the much smaller F-125C design, making use of the "folding wingtips" design to take advantage of the compression lift effect. There are two vertical stabilizers and a pair of canards, in addition to a total of six powerful PDE-turbofn hybrid engines. Though fewer in numbers, this is a huge improvement over the eight turbofans of the B-101A, promoting greater performance while saving fuel and weight. The aircraft is controlled via a powerful computer system and the revolution fly-by-optic technology. Fuel tanks are also designed to be more survivable, incorporating self-sealing features.

However, perhaps one of the major changes of the B-101D is the airframe construction. Taking advantage of newer composites, ceramics, and advanced titanium alloys, the airframe is made drastically lighter to allow greater performance, while promoting heat resistance and strength. To further lighten up the aircraft, most of the armour has been deducted to improve performance, though lightweight ceramic and titanium alloy panels are still added to cruical and vulnerable points of the fuel tanks and cockpits. There is also an extensive application of RAM coatings and RAS materials, to aid in the reduction of teh radar signature. The electrochromic panels are kept for countermeasures against IR-guided weapons by "manipulating" the infrared signature of the aircraft (to blend "in" to the environment in sunny days, and to confuse IR seekers), and the contrail-suppression system is also kept. The standard paint scheme remains to be white-coloured, though few other units in the Omzian Navy and Air Force uses a light blue, "digital" camouflage scheme as well.

Avionics and Interface

The aircraft is manned by a 3-man crew, including the pilot, the copilot, and the Flight Engineer/Bombardier (FEB), with the pilot and the copilot sitting in the front compartment, and the FEB sitting in the back compartment. Unlike the B-101A, the storage compartment has been reduced in size, to free up more space for avionics, fuel, and payload. The advanced helmet-based sights and MFDs are kept, along with the fighter-style HOTAS controls for the pilot as well.

The avionics remain much the same, though there has been changes as well. The offensive suite of avionics includes the OAN/APQ-229C/D ELPI radars (one facing front, and one facing rear), a development of the original which incorporates greater processing powers, better range, and improved resistance to ECM. These radars are used for both air surveillance and ground attack. The LADAR and IR systems however, are combined together in a total of two modular "Selective Sensor Stations" (3S). Like the B-105, each 3S combined a LADAR system, a FLIR system, and a nightvision camera system, to aid in both ground attack and real-time surveillance. The data collected from these sensors can be either transmitted to other friendly aircraft for ground targeting, or transmitted to other friendly assets through a secure datalink for intelligence-gathering.

The defencive avionics suite is also updated. The new system, termed UDCS-2, is complete with the Noran CAF332 radar jamming system, which takes advantage of greater processing powers and a new computer to conduct a variety of jamming operations against both surface and air radars, and has improved capabilities against LPI-type radars. The Noran CAE180 IR/missile countermeasure system is kept, though the missile warning system now combines a pulse-dopplar radar, an UV sensor, and an IR sensor into one. The LADAR warning receiver is also kept, while the radar warning receiver is improved with a new computer, which allows the constant tracking and analysis of received signals to improve the RWR's capabilities against LPI-type radars. Towed decoys can also be deployed in a total of two internal bays, while the chaff and falre dispensers has been kept as well.

The communication suite has been updated as well. In addition to a series of datalinking and other communication link systems, there is also a line-of-sight laser-based communication system, allowing a formation of bombers to communicate with each other within a short range during optimal weather conditions, under radar silence.

Weapons and Payloads

Compared to the B-101A, it is noticable that the payload capacity has increased, due to the redesign of the airframe and the availability of more spaces. Though it is still unable to carry "dumb" and unguided munitions, it is now able to accept an even greater array of precision-strike munitions, such as glide bombs, cruise missiles, anti-ship missiles, or even drones. Like the previous variant, the bomber has a total of three main bomb bays and two mini-bays. The larger bays would carry ground attack munitions, while the small mini-bays would carry self-defence weapons such as ARMs and MRAAMs. In addition however, the mini-bays can also carry autonomous, loitering decoy drone to confuse enemy air defence systems, while a drone is also designed by OMASC to provide reconaissance and targetign ahead of a formation of bombers, flying at a low altitude stealthily. In addition, the bays can also accept the "burst bombs" designed for teh B-105, though this is less frequent as the B-101D is not designed for low-level penetration raids and flights.

Status: Entering service of the Omzian Air Force and Navy. It it also anticipated that the B-101B will be replaced by this aircraft as well, despite the fact that the B-101B has a larger payload.

Export: Restricted to allies only. Upgrade is not available as the B-101D is a complete redesign, though it is possible to trade in existing B-101As to procure B-101Ds at a reduced price.

Hogsweat

08-05-2005, 00:26

The FARAF, upon review of these excellent aircraft has decided it is necessary, as to replace the existing B52s and B1s of the Hogsweatian airforce, to ask politely and cordially that OMASC would produce for us;
240x 1B-101D Super Bombardier Upgraded Supersonic Heavy Bomber
120x B-105 Skyhammer Ultra-Heavy General Purpose Bomber Aircraft
24x B-106A Warcrow Supersonic Medium Bomber Aircraft

And as it is also neccessary for a powerful airforce we would like to purchase the production rights for the
F125E Hyper Rapier aircraft
F-109A Seafire
FV-109C Skyfire
For these rights we are willing to pay in excess of 85 Billion USD. We promise that we will not place these aircraft, or any modified
variants of them up for re-sale.
Comrade Mark Hunt, Procurer of Military Equipment for the Free Allied Military (www.google.com)
"The Bear that smells the trap cannot be caught.."
http://nationstates.net/images/flags/uploads/hogsweat.jpg

Omz222

08-05-2005, 00:42

To: Mr. Hunt, Free Allied Military

We are glad that our friends and allies at Hogsweat and our comrades at the FARAF is willing to turn to us for their aerospace and defence needs, especially in the midst of an exploding conflict. Though the Omzian production lines are already running at a high rate, we are willing to accept the contract proposal, having taken Hogsweat's allied status, the current situation abroad, and our friendship with the Hogsweat government taken into account. Thus, it has been determined that the first contract, involving 384 aircraft, has been approved at a cost of $224.078 billion with a 5% discount.

In regards to the production right, though certain factions of OMASC has shown reluctance, in the end as we have reviewed the Hogsweatian requirements further, we are willing to charge a total of $30 billion dollars for the F-109A and FV-109C aircraft, and $20 billion dollars for F-125E, upon good view and our allied relationship. Once the financial sum is transfered, we will transfer the technical documention electronically, and will send a team of engineers to assist in the construction and/or conversion of aircraft manfuacturing facilities to manufacture the said aircraft.

In the end, we once again would like to show our extreme gratitude at our allies at Hogsweat. May our products bring Hogsweat to victory!

The Freethinkers

08-05-2005, 01:44

To:OMASC Sales Department

After an extensive review of current capabilities and an extensive study of the options avaliable, we have decided to enlarge and reequip our strategic bomber wing. After testing and trials with a variety of possible options, we have selected the B-101D Super Bombardier Supersonic Strategic Bomber to be the new heavy strategic bomber of the Freethinker Air Force. Therefore, it is my pleasure to place the following order.

Procurement Order: RFAF/404856
Service Register: Freethinker Air Force
Requirement:
A new long range strategic attack platform, supersonic capable.
Total Order: 1080 Units
Price Per Unit: US$530,000,000
Total Cost: US$572,400,000,000

This order will be payed over the course of delivery if possible, with an upfront payment of £150,000,000,000 followed by various increments equal to the number of aircraft delivered. If this is not possible we are willing to broker a new agreement if necessary.

Yours sincerely

Admiral Sir John Cunningham
Chief of Procurement, Ministry of Defence
Government House,
Navarre, Mainland
The Freethinker Commonwealth

Omz222

08-05-2005, 03:07

To: Admiral Sir John Cunningham, Ministry of Defence

As both the Omzian arms contractor OMASC and the Omzian military are both surprised and delighted that our allies at the Freethinkers has chosen us to arm the Freethinker strategic bomber forces, we are more than willing to assist our friends in such operation. Although we were sure that the B-101D design will meet the requirements of the Freethinker Air Force, we are nevertheless astonished by the immersity and size of the order.

Thus, after a 10% discount for our allies at Freethinker, we determine the cost to be a total of $515.16 billion dollars. As we accept the current delivery proposal and welcomes the transfer of foreign curency to OMASC, upon the initation of the money transfer, delivery will start to take place at a steady rate. It is anticipated that with the current production rate, delivery will be completed within about 5-8 years.

In the end, as we anticipate for the completion of the deliveries, we thank the Freethinkers for choosing OMASC to fulfill their aerospace needs.

Omz222

14-05-2005, 07:34

OOC: Update on Al-Sabir's request. My apologies and regrets for the lateness, but I've been buried under projects and exams, along with some other matters at hand. Hopefully I will finish the pod (not enough time for the research) later this weekend.

Adejaani

15-05-2005, 10:58

Request for Tender: Ramjet engines

AGI (Adejaani Government Industries) is developing three transport aircraft to replace the following: C-17 Globemaster III; Boeing 747; and C-5 Galaxy. Overall airframe designs have been finalised, but with one exception.

AGI is presently tendering for ramjet engines, of similar dimensions, fuel efficiency and performance to those designs' turbofan engines, but with a cruising speed requirement of over Mach 1. Generally speaking, the same as the turbofans on those designs with similar performance, but ramjets and capable of Mach 1 cruising speed on the newer AGI designs.

The successful tender will receive $50 billion US, with additional royalties to follow.

Omz222

15-05-2005, 21:17

OOC: This is the completed system, consisting of three pods. Though not everything that is asked for is achieved due to practiability (such as the rotating turrets, as such system must be /integrated/ into an aircraft beforehand), and though the pods are /not/ designed to be mounted on lightweight or/and one-man aircraft (Such as the F-16 or the F-15C) due to workload and the pods' weight and physical size, overall the pod provides a significant boost in terms of reconaissance capabilities. I think that the price is justified, especially considering that the digital version of TARPS for the F-14 costs around $6-8 million USD. I'm accepting individual purposes, though for production rights it's also possible at a much higher cost. /OOC

Noran SK-82 Multipurpose Tactical Reconaissance Platform (MUTREP)

Designed according to an Al-Sabir request, the MUTREP is a modular system designed to provide tactical aircraft with reconaissance capabilities, allowing them to function as ad-hoc and tactical reconaissance platforms without investing finances into dedicated reconaissance aircraft. Designed as a complement for smaller systems such as the TARPS, this three-pod set is designed to be carried on many different tactical aircraft, though normally - due to its size - the three pods are carried on larger two-crew aircraft such as the F-15E, as deploying such pods on lightweight fighters or one-crew aircraft such as the F-16 is deemed impractical, as not only the size of the pods are unsuitable for these smaller aircraft, but also the full capabilities of these pods would put a lot of strain on an individual crew member. It is not required that all three pods are to be carried, though the capabilities of the system would be degraded if one or more pods is omitted.

These three pods houses a wide array of sensors, modeled after those on the RF-125. The first pod, often mounted on either wing of an aircraft, consists of an advanced FLIR system, along with a series of smaller, digital nightvision-capable electro-optical cameras, providing close-in and panoramic views. The images and video feeds collected from these sensors are digital, thus enabling live uploading to other sea, ground, and even air-based platforms for analysis through the built-in datalinking system. Alternatively, these pods can also be used as special target tracking pods, allowing the tracking of enemy ground targets, and the coordination of strikes against these targets, relaying targeting data to air and sea-based strike platforms. The sensors are also arranged to provide 360 degree coverage, to compensate for the lack of a rotating turret system.

The second pod is the Modular Active Sensor Pod (MASP), which is normally mounted on the centerline fuselage hardpoint of the aircraft. The MASP itself holds no sensor as it merely holds datalinks and links to the power source; instead, it can accept two different sensor "packages": a SAR radar, or an advanced LADAR (LAaser Detection and Ranging) system, for a variety of different roles. The SAR radar gives the MUTREP and the aircraft a ground mapping capability, while the LADAR can allow the aircraft to conduct mapping of both the terrain and man-made targets such as buildings and even vehicles, under optimal weather conditions. The MASP overall, no matter which opf the two sensor it mounts, gives the aircraft extensive reconaissance capabilities.

The third, and the final pod, is an ELINT (ELectronic INTelligence) system, used for gathering and analyzing radar signal emissions. As it is not intended to be mounted on a dedicated reconaissance aircraft, the ELINT sensors and antennas has been downgraded and simplified. This allows the sensors to be fitted into a pod, at the cost of being much inferior than dedicated ELINT platforms in regards to capability. The pod consists of a wide array of antennas around the pod, which is linked to a central computer, to conduct the analysis of these electronic emissions and classify them by type. Normally, this pod is used for analyzing the signals of surface and airborne radars and communication/datalink systems.

Overall, with the three pods, the MUTREP is a very capable system that packs the power of a dedicated reconaissance aircraft into a system of three pods, giving a wide array of tactical aircraft a diverse and powerful reconaissance capability. Though in no way it automatically transforms a tactical aircraft into an all-capable reconaissance platform (and that the presumption that it would is flawed anyways), nevertheless it grants the aircraft an extra eye in the sky.

Cost (available to allies only): $18 million

Scandavian States

17-05-2005, 03:36

Omz222

17-05-2005, 03:45

[Omz, I know you're aware of both the Ibis naval bomber and Freethinkers' massive new carrier that is designed to carry honest-to-God bombers. What you might not be aware of is that I plan to buy those, but I can't justify the purchase IC without a bomber to go with it. My first thought was to navalize the B-106, but I wonder if a new design wouldn't be better. Anyway, something for you to think about in the future.]
OOC: Indeed, the B-106 is not designed for carrier operations, though I suppose that doing an extensive modification (as with the B-101D, only on a much larger scale) would still be good. However, IMHO probably for now I'll still recommend purchasing DPUO's bomber (if that's what you are referring to), which is an excellent aircraft by all means. Otherwise, perhaps to stir up some competition and rivalries, I'll see if I can get some time on the weekends to make a new bomber (as I'll have two three-day weekends soon).

Scandavian States

17-05-2005, 06:03

[I'm all about brand loyalty, and I think that you can come up with a better design than DPUO. It's not a knock against him, I've just come to believe in your skills.

I agree that a new bomber would be best. For one, the B-106 is larger in every aspect when DPUO's bomber is prepared for flight ops, and is a hell of a lot bigger when it isn't. So, for one, we need a new airframe that is a dedicated carrier aircraft. Another thing that sticks out about the B-106 is that it has very long legs, much longer than is needed for carrier ops. Compared to DPUO's bomber the B-106's payload is a tad anemic. Stealthiness would also be a Good Thing, just to one-up DPUO's bomber.

So, here's what I think would make a good bomber:
1) "Stowable" wings. This is an obvious requirement, it's just how it will be done. Personally, I like switchblade-style wings in this instance, since the traditional methods can cause problems with radar returns.

2) A max range of 5,000km with a normal load. I can't see any reason for more at the moment, can you?

3) Slightly heavier max load than the B-106, I don't think sacrificing low RCS for higher loads is a good tradeoff.

Your thoughts?]

Omz222

17-05-2005, 06:16

OOC: Though I do understand your stance, i don't wish to stir up some competition, though I feel that the Ibis is already an excellent choice. However, I will make sure that some extra work and polishings are done on the design once the process and development starts to make it above the line, especially considering that I very slightly prefer bomber designs more than fighters based on my personal preference.

In regards to the particular development, I think that a new airframe based on the B-106 would be nice, as switchblade wings wouldn't be necessary and would be even counterproductive considering the space it takes (the mechanisms and all that, like swing wings of the F-14 and B-1B - that's why the wing gloves takes up a large weight), and that it's simply unnecessary as switchblade wings are unnecessary for a bomber, unless you plan to make it exclusively a low level penetration bomber (though that wouldn't make much sense considering that low level penetration has been made less popular with the range of modern glide munitions, and that conventional swing wings also works perfectly). Compared to folding wings, it wouldn't be necessary anyways, though pretty much it's a given fact that it will take up much more space than a carrier-based fighter. In regards to RCS and designs, things like switchblade wings actually increases radar returns, thus compared to a delta wing or trapezoid wing design (along the lines of the FB-22 or even the B-58). So I would suggest scratching the switchblade idea and go with a stealthy scheme based on the FB-22.

The range and payload sounds reasonable, though right now I haven't done the rough calculations in regards to fuel and weights and the likes. With the payload, I could make it a bit larger, though anything that exceeds 20,000kg wouldn't give you an impressive range such as 5000km, at least on this design.

Scandavian States

17-05-2005, 06:32

[Well, manage what you can where range and payload are concerned. As for the wings, I've always heard that traditional swing-wings and the even more standard folding wings were bad for RCS. While a trapazoid wing would be okay, I'm still not incredibly hot on that. Also, taking a look at the Switchblade concept, I can't imagine it as being anything other than incredibly stealthy.

http://www.area51zone.com/aircraft/switchblade.shtml

They have some good all-aspect pics, although I would recommend reading the text, lest you start wearing a tinfoil hat ;) ]

Omz222

17-05-2005, 15:09

OOC: I've read the text before, and in regards to RCS, it's almost guarenteed that most of the times it will show up on the radar screen pretty nicely, with nice reflective surfaces and no stealthy shaping techniques - so I'll place my doubt on that. As for the other statement in the text, even if it was going to replace the F-111, teh fact is still quite irrelevant considering that the F-111 was a land-based, tactical long-range strike aircraft designed to fly very low and fast to penetrate air defences, whereas the one I'm developing is different.

Scandavian States

17-05-2005, 19:47

Omz222

17-05-2005, 23:41

[I've taken a good look at the and compared it to the old YF-23, and I've come to the conclusion that while it might be slightly less stealthy than the Black Widow, the YF-23 was also stealthier than the F-22.

And high-speed, low-altitude penetration strikes are what medium bombers are for. I plan to use these as my primary strike element against battle groups and fleets, I certainly won't be flying at anything higher than a thousand feet once I get with 1,000km of any enemy naval formation.]
OOC: Stealthy characteristics aren't really possessed by pictured, nor can they be judged at a first glance, though it's still overly obvious that stealthy designs and non-stealthy designs do have a boundary between them. Things especially such as switchblade wings and forward-swept wing designs /will/ increase RCS, though pretty much I don't understand why you need a switchblade when you could have a swingwing for the low altitude penetration role, though once again depending on your doctrine low altitude penetration strikes are largely becoming less popular with advances in precision strike munitions such as newer GPS-guided glide bombs and other glide munitions such as the JSOW (well, at least IRL).

Either way, I still prefer a delta wing design resembling a cross between the B-106 (which is based on some American program for future strike aircraft - forgot the name, QSP I think) and the FB-22, though swing/variable gemoetry wings are also a possibility, giving better low altitude flight characteristics at the cost of payload (since it's impractical to mount weapons on the wing itself, though wing gloves are a possibility) and stealth.

Al-Sabir

24-05-2005, 14:42

After comprehensive reviews, the MUTREP system is deemed more capable for employment by Arab Air Force heavy tactical fighters than the current set of podded recce systems. Therefore, a first batch of sixty fully outfitted systems is hereby ordered and the Arab Air Force wishes to receive a license for the MUTREP system for full-scale domestic production runs.

Awaiting Reply,

Omz222

26-05-2005, 02:48

After a series of reviews, it is determined that the deal is indeed very much possible for our allies in Al-Sabir, and including the fixed production license price for the MUTREP system (for allies), the total cost comes to $3.08 billion dollars. Once the batch of money has been received, we will begin the shipment of the first pods, in addition to the transfer of technical documentations electronically through secure routes.

Omz222

29-05-2005, 07:02

OOC: It looks that I won't be finishing the bomber requested for the month, with upcoming school matters and other RL stuff. However, once I get out of school within a few weeks, I will be back in production. /OOC

OMASC Announces Development of Two New Bomber Variants

Today engineers and other personnel and representives within the Omzian arms contractor OMASC and the Omzian Air Force has officially announced the initation of another series of projects, oriented around the design of strategic aircraft. The project, nicknamed "Ghostalker", consists of the development of a total of two bomber aircraft variants.

The first aircraft, currently designated the XB-107 Warhawk, is designed according to requirements set by Scandavian States, and is designed to be a competitor against some of the other - and rather excellent but dangerous - designs from other nations. Based on the B-106, it incorporates several changes to allow it to operate from large carriers currently being designed by various nations around the world, while it improves upon the original variant of the B-106 in every regard. Engineers has refused to go into detail in regards to the aircraft, but it is believed that the aircraft will feature a higher operating speed and payload while sacrificing its intercontinental range and stealthy characteristics, both deemed to be less than being "too important" for its role as a maritime, high-capacity strike bomber.

The second bomber being designed is the XB-108 Thunderhawk, which is believed to be designed as a successor and replacement for a number of the older and obsolete B-1 Lancer bombers still in the service of both the Omzian Air Force and Navy. Based on the excellent B-105 design, it is believed that this design is a downsized version of the B-105, designed to be a high-speed, low altitude penetration strike bomber instead of the high capacity, multirole nature of the B-105. Thus, it is expected that the XB-108 will possess a Mach 2+ operation capability, while sacrificing some of its payload, range, endurance, stealthy characteristics, and much of its "hard kill" self defence capabilities. It is believed that a new electronic warfare system will make up for that, along with integrated reconaissance capabilities to allow real-time strikes against time-critical targets, and to conduct devastating strikes against high value targets.

As well, analysts experting in both military science and the economy has also called the initation of the two projects to be both a significant milestone and achievment and a continued error, as while OMASC continues with the bomber designs, it is still somewhat lagging behind in regards to the design of tactical aircraft.

"While OMASC can be obviously proud that it already has 4 distinct bomber designs along with two more in its sleeve, and can also be proud of the fact that it is perhaps one of the leading producers of bombers and strategic aircraft, this also means that its significance as a producer of tactical, low cost aircraft is fading," said Lt. Gen. (Ret) Gonares, a retired Air Force offical currently working for Tonobran News Network. "While certainly the Omzian Air Force will still be benefiting from this, it is also true that the Omzian aerospace industry is lagging behind competitors from several nations in terms of tactical aircraft and rotary wing aircraft. Though systems like the F/A-40 and the [F-109] Skyfire [series] are nevertheless excellent in many regards, we still has much to learn from other nations in terms of helicopter and air superiority aircraft designs."

Omz222

29-05-2005, 07:50

OOC: Initial Prototype Specifications

XB-107 Warhawk Supersonic Maritime Bomber
Length: 43.8m
Height: 8.9m
Wingspan: 29.2m (15.6m folded)
Propulsion: Four Honjak Electrics HEK-1028A PDE-turbofans rated at 63,000lbs each
Empty Weight: 59,000kg
Maximum Takeoff Weight: 141,000kg
Crew: Two
Ceiling: >65,000ft
Range: 2300km with maximum load, 5000km with standard load (low-high profile)
Speed: Mach 2.53 max, Mach 1.6 supercruise
Payload: 28,000kg max, 14,000kg standard strike load (mixed low/high flight profile); in two bomb bays, one forward self-defence bay, and optionally on four hardpoints
Unit Cost: $220-280 million

XB-108 Thunderhawk Heavy High Speed Strike Bomber Aircraft
Length: 78.7m
Height: 23.6m
Wingspan: 46m fully swept, 74.5m extended
Propulsion: Six Honjak Electrics HEK-1031A PDE-turbofans rated at 84,000lbs
Empty Weight: 252,000kg
Maximum Takeoff Weight: 632,000kg
Crew: Five
Ceiling: >60,000ft
Range: 9000km with max payload, 13,000km with standard load
Speed: Mach 2.46 max
Payload: 85,000kg maximum, 49,000kg standard strike load, within three bomb bays, two self defence bays, and eight hardpoints (six under wing gloves, two under fuselage). One self-defence turret at tail.
Unit Cost: $700-800 million

Adejaani

29-05-2005, 10:49

OOC: Hey Omz, you wanted a unique aircraft that's unconventional? Try this on for size! Oh and Omz... Please update the main page to my updated AFD-14 design (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=8693410&postcount=984) please. Think of it as a very early birthday present. :p

If anyone knows how to properly spell "Papparazi", please speak up. And I can't be bothered doing any stats for this, just imagine a slightly bigger F-117.

IC: ARD-1 Papparazi

No matter the battlefield, the enemy, the weapons or the politics of the age, there are certain age old questions which need to be answered: Where are the enemy forces, how many enemy forces and just what can I expect from the enemy?

The invention of the aircraft has helped to offset this. Put a radio aboard and the pilot can fly over and relay the answers back to a home base. Later, the development of (orbital) satellites put crystal clear, real time intelligence into the hands of commanders and planners.

But aircraft can be intercepted and shot down (not to mention the overworked pilot and the observer trying to stay alive, let alone transmit the information); and satellites can be fooled by camouflage, or the items moved away because their orbital paths are predictable.

The ARD-1 Papparazi was designed to break the boundaries, as a trans-atmospheric, unarmed combat aircraft. The overall design looks eerily enough like an F-117 Nighthawk stealth attack aircraft (and is in fact based on that design), but that's where the similarity ends. The ARD-1 is, in fact, a fully pressurised spacecraft, but without any weapons and considerably larger than the F-117.

The ARD-1 is launched using detachable boosters, in a manner similar to the space shuttle. Once in low orbit, the air/spacecraft can then maneuvre very slowly exactly like the space shuttle into position. The "weapons bay" has been removed and various modular packages can be installed, generally depending on the operating nation's reconnaisance package satellites, but generally a high quality imaging system is the normal fit.

Speed is the key to the ARD-1, which can rapidly burn its fuel to take it out of enemy missile/satellite interceptor range, but has extremely poor performance characteristics, again, like the space shuttle. The air/spaceframe itself is a development of the patented Hardhat™ armor, which uses ceramics and titanium to withstand the heat of re-entry, as well as strengthening the air/spaceframe.

To further safeguard and add even more safety, titanium reactive armor is installed on the under fuselage, leaving only the camera apparatus area relatively unarmored. The reactive armor is almost exactly like that of main battle tanks on the ground, using "sandwich" blocks, which when struck, fall outward (in this case downwards), to blunt off the kinetic energy of the enemy missile warheads.

Mission endurance is thus theoretically unlimited, as the energy imparted from takeoff and a careful knowledge of orbital physics can put the ARD-1 into orbit, using the kinetic speed and gravity to keep it indefinitely flying. However, the supply of consumables like food, water and oxygen means two day missions at maximum. Although the standard mission crew is two, operational tests have been conducted with only one person aboard, thus saving fuel on liftoff. In addition to all this, because of the advanced communications system, the digital electronics surveilance can instantly transmit and there are no 'hard' recordings at all.

Once the mission is completed, the ARD-1 simply drops back below the atmosphere and just like the space shuttle once again, lands at a large conventional runway.

Cost per ARD-1 Papparazi is $200 million.

Clan Smoke Jaguar

30-05-2005, 03:14

If anyone knows how to properly spell "Papparazi", please speak up. And I can't be bothered doing any stats for this, just imagine a slightly bigger F-117.

It's spelled "Paparazzi"

I have to give you credit. That's a great name for a photorecon bird :p

Omz222

30-05-2005, 03:20

OOC: CSJ got it right, and added the link to the front page.

To be honest, our Air Force will be showing a lot of interest in the aircraft, along with some branches of my Interior Affairs Ministry (aka OISA), as a possible complement for existing satellites and long range atmospheric recon aircraft. We'll probably purchasing some modified variants without the armour, and with some additional reconaissance equipment.

Probably, in the long term, you could add armed variants too, armed with small missiles in special weapons bays used against high-value ground targets and hardened bunkers similar to the "godrods" that is popular with many NS nations. I had been considering a suborbital air/spacecraft, but got too carried away with the conventional bombers I'm making :P

Adejaani

01-06-2005, 13:24

OOC: Thanks, CSJ

Omz, I was actually going to sit on this project. We are, after all, a modern tech era institution and I was demurring whether or not even this "simple" design would push it into the Future tech envelope. So I appropriately did my typical "It can do it, but it's going to cost you. Not just money, but other things" disclaimer to keep it modern tech. I haven't decided how far I want to push the design, but I probably won't for a long time.

As for additional designs, you bet. My official policy is this: You have free access to my designs and you can upgrade and change and make new as you like or start from scratch with the principles only. However, in exchange, you have to share the results of these changes with me. Sound okay?

Omz222

06-06-2005, 02:06

Originally introduced here (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=423642&page=1)

OMASC Proudly Introduces and Unveils the
B-108 Thunderhawk Heavy Supersonic Strategic Bomber Aircraft

Origin and Introduction
Through the long developments of a series of older bomber aircraft, such as the B-101 and the B-105 designs, OMASC engineers has looked further into such designs, as one of the leaders of bomber designs in the NS world. Having fostered great experienced with such designs, OMASC is also willing to further invest to gradually build the ultimate bomber designs in the world that few can rival. Thus, the B-108 Thunderhawk is born as the ultimate heavy-hitter of all existing Omzian bomber designs. A clear blend of the key features of existing designs, and designed in response to Omzian Air Force requests, the Thunderhawk is the ultimate design that strikes fear into any enemy and the target that they valiently protects.

Like a dark raven sweeping down in the crimson sky, and delivering a fiery payload of explosive and rocket power, the Thunderhawk is a perfect blend of a sleek airframe in its physical attributes, and fear-striking performance in its capabilities. Technically however, the Thunderhawk is designed to complement existing B-101D and B-105A bombers in the low-level, high speed, penetration role, delivering a lethal swarm of precision strike munitions against enemy targets, while also capable of of protecting itself both nonviolently and lethally.

Currently, it is expected that Omzian Air Force will file up a request for approximately 1000 said aircraft, with exports being expected.

Design and Physical Characteristics
Airframe
The Thunderhawk features a sleek and aestically smooth design, with a pair of large variable geometry ("swing") wings and an elegant look overall. Though some may associate it with the B-1B and the B-105 in its appearance, the airframe of the Thunderhawk is in many respects vastly different respect. Its two massive swing wings allows excellent performance at both low and high levels, while its performance is further aided by the availability of a pair of canards, two horizontal stabilizers, and one signal vertical stabilizer, in addition to an advanced fly-by-optic system. Its airframe is rife with the application of advanced titanium alloys and composite materials, along with thin layers of armour to protect cruical components of the aircraft. This allows the aircraft not only to sustain the brutality of low-level flight and stress of extended operations, but also increasing its survivability against deadly projectiles and shrapnels. Outside, the aircraft is tipped with a supersonic boom reduction nose design, and is covered in a shower of RAM coatings and materials, along with RAS schemes embedded further into the airframe, allowing a RCS just slightly larger than those of a B-1B. It's fuselage is also relatively smooth, though under it, it is dotted by the signs of six bays of different sizes, in addition to a total of nine hardpoints on its large wing gloves and under its fuselage.

On its surface, other countermeasures are not forgotten. The centerpiece of this is the special electrochromic panels on the aircraft, allowing the aircraft to manipulate its IR signature (such as blending the edges of the aircraft's signature) to confuse IR-guided airto air missiles. This effectively serves as a countermeasure, "modifying" the signature of the aircraft itself by essentially overlapping the actual signature with the newly generated siguature, to confuse enemy missiles. An optical camouflage system is also installed, which consists of small nodes around the aircraft displaying different shades of colour, based on reference images from cameras placed around the aircraft. This effectively allows the aircraft to slightly "blend" into its surrounding, thus decreasing the chance of visual detection. Lastly, the aircraft is also normally painted in either a light blue-coloured, low-reflection scheme; alternatively, it can be painted in a green-blue-brown camouflage scheme, for low-level flights. To combat contrails, a chemical-based contrail suppression system is used.

Propulsion
The bomber is powered by six of the huge Honjak Electrics HEK-1031A PDE-turbofan hybrid engines, each providing a max thrust ratings of 86,000lbs, providing the aircraft with a gigantic and powerful push that is unseen in any previous Omzian bomber aircraft. Originally designed for heavy fighters, these six engines are constructed with advanced alloys, allowing excellent strength and heat resistance characteristics. These six engines are placed beneath the airframe, just near the wing roots, in which air are provided through six gigantic, variable intakes that allows great air flow characteristics, though att he cost of a larger radar cross section. The engines then end in six separate nozzles, which all possesses a 2D thrust vectoring capability, giving excellent maneuveribility characteristics for a large bomber aircraft. To prevent some unwanted effects of damages, the engines and fuel tanks also includes an emergency fire extinguishing suite, along with their complement of armour coverings.

The propulsion system in general, allows the aircraft to possess a maximum speed of around Mach 2.53, while the aircraft is also capable of conducting Mach 1.8 high-altitude dashes or low level penetration at speeds of up to Mach 1.25. At subsonics speeds, the aircraft can even loiter for extended periods of time for special operation scenarios, while the engine's fuel saving measures is also more obvious.

Crew Operations
Though the bomber has one of the highest numbers of crew members, there is no exception made in providing them both a wide spectrum of advanced controls, and comfort within a warmachine of such scale. The aircraft is controlled by a total of five crews, including a pilot/navigator and copilot/flight engineer, a bombardier, and a defensive systems operator. Each crew member are faced with a wide array of MFD screens, each capable of displaying a variety of different data and information. For the bombardier and defensive systems operators, they are also capable of accessing a trackball system, while the pilot and copilot relies on a touchscreen system. Optionally, they can also access a voice command system, along with a control system which consists of special sensors and switches placed within their mouths. Further, the pilot is also provided access to a HUD system and a helmet sight system, along with a hands-on control stick system similar to those in fighters. Each crew member also sits on advanced ejection seats with a variety of safety measures, and are also complemented by an advanced flight suit system that uses a fluid-based system.

Crew comfort is not neglected. The ejection seats are cushioned to give each crew member much comfort during >10-hour operations, and also includes audiable warning systems. Lights are also positioned in the best locations, while a heat and cooling system is also provided. Sunlight peers through windows that are covered by RCS materials, while a small storage compartment is available behind the cockpit, extending crew comfort by allowing them to obtain the food they need and to refresh themselves.

Avionics and Systems
Offensive Avionics
The Thunderhawk, though overly large as a bomber aircraft, also boasts a wide spectrum of avionics and other offensive systems as well, used for the detection, tracking, and engagement of hostile and other targets of importance. These sensors are arranged and placed strategically around the aircraft, while they are all electronically linked to the powerful central fire-control computer system. Code-named 'Oberon', the system consists a system of processors that automatically receives, analyzes, and processes the information gathered from multiple sensors on the bomber, and consequently processing them into firing solutions against both ground and air targets.

Linked to the central targeting computer, is a wide array of sensors, designed to detect both ground and aerial targets. The first of these sensors is the Noran Bonobert AN/APG-388/389 ELPI radar, which consists of a frontal sensor and a rearward-facing sensor desigend for the detection of aertial and ground targets, in addition to carrying out navigation and ground-mapping tasks. Each radar is designed with concealment in mind, thus the radar includes LPI characteristics in addition to the ELPI software and hardware suite, allowing better performance than existing first-generation LPI radar system. Both radar are also capable of jamming other radars (simialr to the Thor system on the F/A-22), focusing a high level of energy on an enemy radar or communication system emitter, thus jamming them temporarily. In terms of detection and navigation, the radar is said to be able to detect fighter-sized targets at a range of around 200km, with full look-down and look-up capability, in addition to detecting ground targets and conduct ground mapping with great precision. In total, it is said that both the frontal and rearward sensor combined can track and generate firing solutions for more than 40 targets at one time.

The second line of systems is a dedicated IRST sensor mounted on the chin of the aircraft, designated the Noran Bonobren INRADAT (INfRAred Detection and Targeting), which is a very powerful forward-looking infrared system designed for the detection, tracking, and targeting of both aerial and ground targets out to a range of approximately 130km. It is fully capable of tracking and targeting unlike older IR sensors, while its precision allows limited target discrimination capability. The system is also linked to an IFF system. The third major system is the Noran LPR/22M LADAR suite, which is a pulse laser-based active detection and ranging system that is capable of detecting, targeting, and tracking both aerial and ground targets over a range of approximately 120km, under ideal weather conditions.

The second suite of systems is the advanced Target Identification, Detection, Engagement, and Analysis System (IDEAS) system, which is composed of two large rotatable pods, each one mounted under each wing gloves of the aircraft. Each pod consists of a short-range FLIR system, a low-light TV system, a suite of colour cameras, and a short-range precision LADAR system, which are all designed to exclusively target, track, and engage ground targets with great precision in all weather conditions. This is especially useful in the low-level penetration role and operation against real-time and time-critical targets, since it allows the aircraft to independently detect and track a variety of ground targets. The pod can also be used as a reconaissance system, as its powerful cameras and FLIR system are capable of capturing reconaissance photographs and other information of importance. These pods are also linked to a datalink, which is then directly linked to friendly assets, thus allowing both the uploading and downloading of targeting information to and from friendly assets. Each pod, though normally facing forwards, can rotate by up to 120 degrees for better targeting capabilities.

The third suite of systems is the bomber's communication systems. Composed of a series of extensive datalinks and communication systems, the suite allows the bomber to communicate with other assets via a variety of ways through secure radio links. At closer ranges between bomber formations flying at higher altitudes, a line-of-sight laser-based communication is also used in ideal weather conditions, thus allowing short-range communication under radio silence. Further, the extensive datalinking systems allows the aircraft to both upload and download targeting data of both ground and air targets. The datalinking system can also be linked with some weapon systems, which means that the bomber's crew can reassign targets to cruise missiles inflight, while GPS guided bombs can be guided to hit moving targets by feeding it with a continuous stream of GPS coordinates and other targeting data.

Defensive Avionics and Systems
The defensive suite of systems is equally impressive, as in order to successfully and fully accomplish its mission under danger within enemy airspace, it is important for the Thunderhawk to possess a broad array of defensive systems. The centerpiece of this is the advanced COWS-XII system, which is a further development of the COWS-IX system that not only improves upon its computing and signal processing capabilities, but its overall capabilities as well.

The COWS-XII suite includes an advanced radar warning receiver system, which is connected to a computer, allowing the analysis of radar and communication signals, thus not only allowing better detection of LPI threats, but also allowing the bomber to act as an ad-hoc and "rough" alternative to dedicated ELINT aircraft as well. A LADAR warning receiver (LWR) system is also added to detect laser-based threats, which consists of a broad network of laser-detecting nodes and sensors placed around the aircraft. A third system is the Missile Threat Identification System (MITID), which consists of a series of optical and IR sensors placed strategically on key positions around the aircraft, to allow the aircraft to detect the launch of enemy missiles and even track their locations. Together as a whole, these receivers can also be connected to a datalink, uploading data to dedicated electronic warfare (EW) aircraft to allow them to prosecute and engage the emission sources quickly.

The suite also includes a wide spectrum of active countermeasures systems as well. This includes a powerful radar jamming suite. Consisted of an internal module and two pods located at the wing roots of each wing, the system is directly linked to the RWR of the aircraft, and is able to conduct the jamming of a broad range of radars and communication links, with limited effectiveness against LPI-type radars with its integrated computer suite. An active radar cancellation system is also added, and as it is linked to both the RWR and the MITID system, it is designed to act as a countermeasure against older-generation, radar-guided AAMs and SAMs. These systems are also directly inked to onboard chaff and flare dispensers, thus allowing the aircraft to take evasive countermeasures if needed. Towed decoys can also be carried, though this is not usually practiced due to the formation arragements that the bomber flies in.

Finally, this also includes an unique LADAR jamming suite, codenamed 'Titan'. Based on the older Pulsemaster system, the Titan consists of an aft-mounted turret with a laser system. When a LADAR threat is identified by the LWR system, the turret directs a series of powerful and high-energy laser pulses at the direction of the threat for a short amount of time, thus overwhelming and temporarily blinding enemy LADAR systems. Unlike the previous system, the Titan further extends the usage of the pulse feature to prevent the jammer from acting as a beacon for enemy passive laser-guided systems, while it is linked to a computer system, allowing the engagement of similar "pulse LADAR" systems.

Armaments and Payloads
Offensive
Out of the many different types of systems on the B-108, probably the Thunderhawk's most fearful component is its gigantic payload capacity. Standing at just below 190,000lbs at its max and just over 100,000lb as its standard payload capacity, the B-108 is in every regard a heavy-hitter designed for both strikes against high-value strategic targets, and "mop-up" duties against concentrations of enemy ground forces and parked aircraft. Thus, the B-108 relies on a total of four weapons bays, in addition to nine hardpoints to exercise its function as a heavy bomber aircraft.

Like many other Omzian bombers, the B-108 has a total of three main weapons bays, each of a very large size, housing the Common Munition Interface Launcher (COMIC). The COMIC launcher is a highly-complex, rotary launcher designed to accept a diverse amount of Omzian-made strike munitions, including glide bombs, cluster bombs, and missiles. It can also house foreign-made weapons (of around the 500kg-2000kg class) with some modifications, thouugh often this would require a complete modification of the COMIC launcher itself. Alternatively, the COMIC can be replaced by ground crews (during a days-long process) by a Heavy Rack Delivery launcher (HARD), which is designed to hold ultra-large systems such as the gigantic BLU-200 heavy penetrator.

However, unlike many other Omzian bombers, the bomber also features a smaller weapons bay, termed the Compact Rotary Launcher Bay. Housing a much simplified version of the COMIC rotary launcher, the bay is designed to hold precision strike bombs such as the OMASC PDAS, though it can bne substituted by the "countermeasure bombs" or even Quickstrike mines instead. Thus, though the Common Rotary Launcher Bay is restricted in terms of munitions variety, it gives the bomber a larger punch or a better self-defence capability.

The hardpoints are of a similar nature, with two under each wing glove, and another five under the fuselage. Each is capable of holding a variety of small bombs and missiles of up to the 500-1000kg class, and the wing glove hardpoints are also capable of lugging along additional radar jamming pods (to complement the COWS-XII's radar jammer) and even reconnaissance pods as well, thus turning the B-108 into a capable electronic warfare platform, and an ad-hoc reconnaissance platform as well.

Defensive
Like how the Thunderhawk possesses a large payload and a capable defensive avionics suite, the designers did not overlook the importance of defensive armaments. For the B-108, large missiles fired from enemy aircraft and ground sites is one of the most dangerous threats, thus attention has been paid to not only the defeat of close-in enemy aircraft and large missiles, but also the sensors of these enemy platforms as well.

The centerpiece of the bomber are the modified self-defence turrets from the B-105 and B-106, this time designated the Turreted Self Defence System - Improved (TSDSI), with two turrets on the B-108 (one on tail, and one on chin of aircraft) as opposed of the six originally planned, to increase performance and decrease weight and strain on the airframe its availability of space. Each composed of a large, fully rotatable, stealthy turret, these systems incorporates a group of short-medium range radar and IR sensors, along with an internal 27mm cannon system and a pack of missiles and rockets. The sensors are connected to a central targeting computer, and when a missile, aircraft-based, or even a ground-based (such as AAA guns) threat is detected, the turret would use the rapid-fire 27mmcannon to engage the target accurately and deadly at close ranges. At further ranges, the turret instead utilizes the three-round 'Minisnake' mini-missile launcher. The ultramaneuverible 'Minisnake' missile is a revision of the OMASC 'Air Snake' SRAAM, and is designed to engage aircraft, close-in ground targets, and large AAMs and SAMs at a close range. Alternatively, the turret can utilize a 24-pack rocket launcher, separated to be fired in 3 solves of 8 round each. Each folding-fin rocket - somewhat larger than the standard 2.5" rockets - are designed to engage large enemy missiles at a close range, flying towards these missile's general location before unleashing a deadly batch of small, high-velocity kinetic projectiles, thus shredding the missile's vital components and rendering it ineffective.

The centerpiece of the bomber are the two standard Self-Defence Bays, in which each can hold a small variety of self-defence weaponry such as anti-radication missiles and medium range air-to-air missiles with targeting data fed from outside sources or directly from the bomber's sensors, thus allowing the bomber to defend itself from enemy aircraft or ground air defence sites at a modest range. The bays can also deploy launched and powered decoys to overwhelm and fool enemy air defence systems, while fuel tanks can also occasionally be added to increase range.

Alternatively, these bays can hold a series of different 'countermeasures' bombs, which are modifications of existing lightweight cluster bomb dispensers, designed to fool and even overwhelm enemy sensors and weapon crews. One of the most common variant of these 'bombs' is the Smoke Countermeasure System (SMOC), which dispenses either WP or a cloud of black smoke to temporarily fool enemy AAA gunners, and chasing aircraft at very close ranges. An alternative variant contains a pack of chaff, fooling enemy radar systems temporarily. A third variant is the Fragmentation Effect System (FESS) which refines on tactics used with other historical strike aircraft such as the British Buccaneer, which is a modified 500lb parachute-retarded bomb with a load of fragments and a small charge of explosives, exploding behind a bomber to surprise and distract enemy aircraft chasing at low altitudes.

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Payloads (Max Load/Standard Load):
Main Bomb Bays
-72x/48x 2000lb PDAS (24x/16x each bay)
-72x/48x 2000lb PDAS-Penetrator (24x/16x each bay)
-144x/90x 1000lb PDAS (48x/30x each bay)
-288x/180x 500lb PDAS (96x/60x each bay)
-576x/360x 250lb SPDAS (192x/120x each bay)
-135x/69x CBU-203/B or CBU-87/B (45x/23x each bay)
-135x/69x CBU-204/B or CBU-89/B (45x/23x each bay)
-135x/69x CBU-205/B or CBU-97/B (45x/23x each bay)
-135x/69x CBU-207/B (45x/23x each bay)
-135x/69x CBU-208/B (45x/23x each bay)
-135x/69x CBU-209/B (45x/23x each bay)
-27x/18x GBU-28 (9x/6x each bay)
-117x/66x AGM-154 JSOW (39x/22x each bay)
-9x/6x Meteor-B (3x/2x each bay)
-42x/24x Roundel AShMs (14x/8x each bay)
-12x/6x Longaxe AShM/ALCMs (4x/2x each bay)
-6x/3x Arquebus ALCMs (2x/1x each bay)
-36x/18x LRALCM-A/B/C ALCMs (12x/6x each bay)
-54x/27x SGAM SRAMs (18x/9x each bay)
-72x/36x JASSM (24x/12x each bay)
-3/2x BLU-200A/C heavy penetrators (1x each bay)

Compact Rotary Launcher Bay
-3x 2000lb PDAS; or
-6x 1000lb PDAS; or
-12x 500lb PDAS; or
-27x 250lb SPDAS; or
-24x "countermeasures" bombs; or
-3x 2000lb Quickstrike mine; or
-6x 1000lb Quickstrike mine; or
-15x 500lb Quickstrike mine

Self-Defence Bay
-6x NALSAR or HARM ARMs (3x each bay)
-8x AIM-120P NLRAAM (4x each bay)
-6x decoy or small reconnaissance drones (3x each bay)
-6x "countermeasures" bombs (3x each bay)

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Specifications
Length: 79.8m
Height: 24.1m
Wingspan: 46m fully swept, 76.5m extended
Propulsion: Six Honjak Electrics HEK-1031A PDE-turbofans rated at 86,000lbs
Empty Weight: 262,000kg
Maximum Takeoff Weight: 600,000kg
Crew: Four
Ceiling: >60,000ft
Range: 8000km with max payload, 14,000km with standard load
Speed: Mach 2.53 max, Mach 1.4 supercruise at high atltitude, Mach 1.8 high-altitude dash, Mach 1.25 low level penetration
Payload: 86,000kg (189,600lb) maximum, 48,000kg (105,800lb) standard strike load, 32,000kg (70,547lb) long-range low level strike load, within three bomb bays, one compact rotary launcher bay, two self defence bays, and nine hardpoints (four under wing gloves, five under fuselage). Two self-defence turrets (one chin, one tail)
Unit Cost: $720 million
Export Cost: $750 million (Allies only); $850 million (Cleared customers; reduction in armaments and avionics can apply)

Export Status: Though the B-108 will be manufactured and deployed in great numbers for the Omzian Air Force, sales are largely restricted to allies only. Other customers desiring to purchase this bombers may alternatively submit proposals, though not all will be accepted, and the exported version will only offer reduced armaments and avionics capability.

Sarzonia

06-06-2005, 02:33

Omz222

06-06-2005, 23:29

To: OMASC
From: Bill Lighton
Air Force Chief, Incorporated States of Sarzonia
Subject: Order for B-108 Thunderhawk Heavy Supersonic Strategic Bomber Aircraft

The Incorporated Sarzonian Air Force has noticed the commissioning of the new B-108 Thunderhawk bomber and we are greatly impressed by this new aircraft. In light of the assault on your country's reputation, we have secured an exception to our Domestic Defence Appropriations Act and would like to place an order for 100 of these excellent bombers. The amount of $75 billion will be wired to you upon the confirmation of this order.

We wish the Omzian Republic and OMASC much luck and success with this aircraft.

As a long term ally of the Omzian Republic, this is indeed more than acceptable, as we are nothing less than honoured that our Sarzonian allies are turning us for their requirements in strategic strike aircraft. Although production lines are already running at maximum capacity, we are confident that the order will be fulfilled as swift as possible, to make sure that we do not make any delays in the delivery while also ensuring that it is of the highest quality. Thus, once the financial sum has been received, production will continue for the 100 ordered aircraft until the completion of the delivery one year later.

We are none other than being gratified, and are thankful that our Sarzonian allies are seeking us for a solution to their requirements, as we will certainly serve Sarzonia with great attention and care. May these bombers lead Sarzonia's Air Force to a new frontier!

Omz222

13-06-2005, 05:27

OOC: Since I will get out of school within two weeks, expect some updates soon, which should include a new standoff attack munition (Maverick replacement) and upgrades for some units... as well, it's also time to put some of my other older stuff here, which were only posted in private boards. Also, depending on how summer school will be, I might also have upgrades for the F/A-22, the FB-22, and the B-2.

UNIverseVERSE

13-06-2005, 22:26

To: OMASC Sales Control Board, Omzian Ministry of Defence,
Omzian
From: James Dieter, UnderSec, Bomber Procurement, Air Force, Dept of
Defense.
Subject: Possible procurement of the B-108E 'Thunderhawk' Heavy Bomber

Sirs. Your prompt reply is most appreciated, and we view your new offer
with great pleasure. This is most pleasing for our nation, and we wish to
assure you that you have nothing to fear from any of our military forces.
We will be wiring the funds in sections, with one seventh of the money
being wired upon the delivery of each 50 bombers. Also, we would be
interested in the possibility of a 'lease to own' program, or variant of such,
in which you deliver bombers on a permanent lease, reserving the right to
request them to be returned, and we will pay a one off payment of ~ seven
hundred million (700,000,000) per bomber. Would the lease of one hundred
bombers be acceptable?

Yours Sincerely, James Dieter

OOC: I understand your concern, but I can assure you that, unless in exceptional circumstances, UNIverseVERSE has a policy of non-aggression towards military suppliers, especially those of advanced, powerful, equipment.
I definitely understand your concerns, and would do the same thing myself.
About the establishment of diplomatic relationships, should I telegram you?

Omz222

14-06-2005, 00:39

This is indeed possible, and we are too greatly enthusiastic about concluding this special deal in this special occasion. Though it's very rare for us to approve even the sale of hundreds of bomber aircraft that are toned down for export, upon various reviews we are able to build up more confidence for the nation of UNIverseVERSE. Thus, with both the export of 350 bombers and the "lend-for-ownership" deal approved, we expect a total of $329.35 billion dollars to be delivered before the final unit is delivered.

As we are glad to announce that with a total of 498 Thunderhawk bombers the UNIverseVERSE military will possess a formidable bomber force, we are also keen towards further extending our diplomatic relations, and we wish that these bombers would bring UNIverseVERSE towards the pathway of success.

OOC: I rarely would approve the sale of such high number of bombers to a non-allied nation, but this is the exception. As for diplomatic relations, TG would be fine, though I will be very busy until Saturday.

Adejaani

17-06-2005, 11:44

AGS-1 "Galactica" (Baseline 0)

The AGS-1 (Adejaani Gun System One) "Galactica" grew out of a requirement for a new gun system for Adejaani aircraft, which have been mounting the classic M61A1 "Vulcan" gun system. That classic design, while capable, was relatively short ranged and lacked the power to inflict a crippling blow to the enemy. What was needed was a completely new system, instead of upgrades of the original.

The designers at AGI (Adejaani Government Industries) were bitterly divided as to what course to take. One group advocated the old fashioned "Gattling" principle, relying on weight and rate of fire; with another group advocating heavier rounds that might possibly be guided. In the end, a third faction won out.

The AGS-1 developed out of research into Maglev (Magnetic Levitation) transport, generally trains. Magnetic fields "lift" the train off the tracks slightly, with polarity changes in the magnetic fields then able to "push" the train forward.

The AGS-1 works on exactly the same principle, except the 30mm round is encased within a tube (ie "gun barrel"), levitated into roughly the center and then using the magnetic fields to propel the round at incredible speeds. However, the cost is a greatly reduced rate of fire (approx one round per second) and needing a larger space for the firing mechanism.

In field testing has proven successful. Two instrumented F/A-22s (one carrying the AGS-1, the other being the target drone) were used. It was found that, if the firing aircraft was able to stay behind ("On his Six") the target, there was a 40% chance of causing catastrophic damage (shredding the engine, igniting a fuel tank, ripping out a wing etc); or up to 55% chance of causing a hit to a critical system (eg computer processor, radar suite, communications antennae etc).

At present, testing continues on the AGS-1, to make it smaller and less power intensive. At that point, the AGS-1 Baseline 1 system will become the standard gun system of all Adejaani designed aircraft which is designed to carry guns.

Omz222

24-06-2005, 03:42

OMASC EFB-101E Super Halberd Bomber-Interceptor and Long-Range Escort
Length: 62.3m
Height: 12.5m
Wingspan: 43.3m
Propulsion: Four HEKA-322 PDE-turbofan hybrid engines rated at 82,000lbs (total thrust at about 492,000lbs or 223,167kg)
Empty Weight: 125,000kg
Maximum Takeoff Weight: 288,000kg
Crew: 6 (Pilot, Copilot, 2x Radar Interception Officer, 2x Defensive Systems Operator, Electronic Warfare Information Analyst)
Ceiling: 82,000ft
Range: 15,000km with standard load
Speed: Mach 3.6 max at high altitudes, Mach 1.6 supercruise (without afterburner)
Payload: 32,000kg of anti-air and air defence suppression munitions, in three weapons bays.
Cost: $450 million (Allies and close trading partners only; No Exceptions)

Standard Number of Munitions Carried:
-24x AIM-120P NLRAAM or equivalent per bay;
-12x AIM-315A/B Spear or equivalent per bay;
-9x AIM-315E Long Spear or equivalent per bay;
-12x AGM-326 NALSAR or equivalent per bay;
-18x AGM-136 Tacit Rainbow or equivalent per bay;
-~15-21x Air-Launched Decoys per bay

The EFB-101E Super Halberd is a new dual-role bomber-interceptor and long-range bomber escort, based on the excellent B-101D design. Though it is notably smaller than the B-101D or many other of its counterparts in the Omzian Air Force, it still possesses many of the B-101D's physical design characteristics to retain its superb performance at high altitudes. Thus, the FB-101E is designed to be both a high speed "standoff" anti-air interceptor and a long-range bomber escort, capable of detecting, tracking, and targeting enemy aircraft and ground-based air defence systems that may threaten the bomber formation that it protects. However, instead of closing in to engage at close ranges, its sensors and weapons allows it to engage enemy threats at a long distance, making sure that they are neutralized before they can seriously threaten the bombers that it escorts. As a replacement for the FB-101C, though it is smaller and has a slightly smaller payload, it is much more powerful and versatile in terms of the capabilities of its sensors and avionics, while being cheaper to maintain.

As shown and mentioned before, the EFB-101E shares many physical design characteristics of the B-101D despite being of a smaller size, thus sharing much commonality with the B-101D, with many interchangable parts to prevent too much maintenance hassles, while retaining its smaller size. Regardless, it is clearly superior to the B-101D in terms of speed and ceiling, maintaining a larger fuel tank while implementing various changes to allow the deduction of two PDE-turbofan engines, while increasing performance in general. In terms of weapons capabilities, it has a total of three weapons bays, which are when compared to the ones of the B-101D, rather smaller in size. However, it can hold and accomdate a large number of air-to-air and air defence suppression munitions, allowing it to function as not only a long-range bomber escort, but also a dangerous foe for any fighter or air defence sensors that dares to threaten the bomber formations that it protects.

However, the area that it truly shines in is its wide array of sensors. Unlike the B-101D, it adopts a up-sized and enhanced version of the AN/APG-388/389 radar suite of the B-108A, dubbed the OAN/APG-421/422 radar suite. Compromised of two huge ELPI radar arrays, each placed in the nose and a randome in the tail, and facing the front and the rear of the aircraft respectively, it allows the crew of the aircraft to detect a wide array of enemy threats - including low RCS aircraft and missiles - through a range of "more than 300km". As well, due to its huge size, a high-speed computer also grants it enhanced EPLI frequency-skipping capabilities, and signal-processing capabilities as well. Its radar can also be used to jam enemy communication links and radar emitters, by concentrating a high-energy beam on the threatening sensor. Along with the huge radar suite, it also boasts a powerful forward-facing IRST and LADAR suite, each mounted in a pod on the nose and chin of the aircraft, respectively. Both systems allows a detection range of "more than 100km" due to their size and sensitivity, and in good weather, the LADAR system is a very effective system against low RCS targets such as stealthy aircraft. This is all linked to the 'Titan' fire control system, which is a modification of the 'Oberon' on the B-108A, allowing the tracking and the generation of firing solutions for "more than 40 targets". Further, extensive datalinks and communication systems allows it to receive and upload targeting data with other platforms, ensuring good coordination and effectively allowing it to function as a true bomber-escort.

In terms of defensive avionics systems, it is equally impressive, especially given its role as a bomber-escort, thus allowing it to function as an effective electronic warfare and air defence suppression aircraft. Based on the COWS-XII, the defensive avionics system, dubbed the 'Theseus', boasts a wide array of ECM, ESM, and other countermeasures systems. The centerpiece is its radar jamming suite. Named 'Athens', it consists of a total of three large pods and extensive arrangment of antennas, allowing it to disrupt enemy radar sensors and even communication links. This is linked to a powerful radar warning receiver, which is connected to a large computer, granting extensive capabilities against LPI radars. This is also linked to a datalinking system, allowing it to download and upload data from dedicated EW aircraft and other platforms as well. This is further complemented by a LADAR warning system and jammer arrangment, consisting of a series of laser-detecting nodes around the aircraft, and a large pod-mounted LADAR jammer, which emits a serious of powerful pulses to "blind" enemy LADAR sensors.

As well, extra attention has been paid to its intelligence-gathering capabilities, which though is still relatively inferior when compared to dedicated platforms, allows the bomber to gain an "extra eye in the sky". For the EFB-101E, this is used primarily against enemy early warning and air defence systems and communication links. Consisting of a total of two special pods mounted on each wing respectively, it allows the aircraft's Electronic Warfare Information Analyst to detect enemy radar and radio communication emissions, as well as tracking and classifying them, before the collected data are uploaded to other platforms. This effectively gives the aircraft a "scout" capability, thus allowing it to become the "Pathfinders" in engaging enemy air defence systems. Alternatively, in place of the two pods, a complte SK-82 MUTREP reconnaissance pod system can also be fitted, though it also requires the removal of two of the three ECM pods, thus degrading the aircraft's capability as an electronic warfare aircraft.

Omz222

27-06-2005, 21:30

OOC: Front page updated.

Adejaani

23-07-2005, 23:49

AGI announces AFD-18 Stingray medium multirole fighter

With numerous squadrons of F/A-22 Raptor (both A and indigenous C models) and F/A-18 Hornet (C and E models) nearing the end of their service lives, having been bought when the country was first formed, the Home Guard (Air Division) found itself with a still capable, but declining force, with mission readiness being greatly hampered as the years went by. Further, the overall disappointment of the indigenous light fighter, the AFD-9 Wasp has prompted a single fighter to replace both aircraft.

At first glance, the AFD-18 Stingray bears an amazing resemblance to the X-32, Boeing's contender in the Joint Strike Fighter program and indeed, AGI designers merely upgraded the technologies inside and redesigned the primary air intakes to be more aesthetically pleasing (and marginally more stealthy).

Apart from the updated radars (an export version of the ARS-5) and control software, the AFD-18 is really just an updated X-32, though trusted customers will receive a more substansive radar and software suite, plus other avionics improvements.

Cost per AFD-18 Stingray is $20 million.

Omz222

03-08-2005, 04:10

OMASC Introduces BLU-201A/B 'Superbomb'

Weight: 25,600kg (56,438lb) for A, 23,800kg (52,470lb) for B
Length: 12.7m (A), 14.5m (B)
Diameter: 1.6m (A), 1.71 (B)
Range: ~20-40km when dropped from 50,000-60,000ft altitude at high subsonic-low supersonic speed; range increases with altitude and release speed
Guidance: Inertial w/ GPS, IR optional at terminal
Explosive/Structure: 7,200kg explosive charge (likely ONC) with hardened osmium-cobalt alloy case and a penetrating tungsten head (A); 15,600kg explosive charge with hardened case along with a penetrating tungsten head
Carrier Aircraft: B-101D (2), B-105A (2; 3 with modification), B-108A (3 without modification)
Cost: ~$500,000 - $800,000 (Approved Allies; No Exceptions)

Designed by OMASC as a part of a grand project preparing for the next bomber (termed B-110 'Archwind'), the BLU-201A/B is designed as a fearsome complement for the BLU-200 ultra-heavy penetrator bomb. A stupendously gigantic bomb designed for multiple purposes, it is truly a successor for the 'earthquake bombs' of past conflicts, and is designed solely for operation on OMASC-designed heavy bombers. Capable of penetrating huge bunkers, defeating large dams, or other fortificated structures such as gun batteries, the bomb can also serve secondary roles such as strikes against ultralarge targets (for example, large ships) and even achieving psychological impact against the enemy.

Constructed with a huge penetrating casing along with a gigantic explosive charge, the bomb is truly the hallmark of Omzian ordnance engineering. With GPS guidance and glide kits, it can be used effectively as a semi-standoff weapon against enemy targets in times of war, and is capable of supersonic release at very high altitudes from supersonic bomber platforms as well. Since the separation structures between the bomb bays in Omzian bombers are designed to be removed if necessary, the bombs are designed to be carried in the bomb bay of large OMASC-designed bombers (the B-101D, the B-10A, and the B-108A) on special internal carriage racks, thus prohibiting the carriage of other weaponry in the same bay(s). Once released at high altitude, a pair of large glide wings can be optionally deployed to increase the range, while the bomb is guided by an INS/jam-resistant GPS guidance suite. The bomb can be 'guided on the move' from the 'mother' bomber through a datalink which feeds a constant stream of targeting coordinates as the bomb glides towards its target (which is of utility when attacking a ship), or alternatively, the bomb can guide itself on its own with its own guidance. When attacking some targets, an IR seeker is also utilized at the terminal phase in conjunction with INS and/or GPS. The bomb is also equipped with a configurable variable setting fuse, which allows much flexibility and can be delayed to allow greater penetration performance.

There are two variants of the bomb: BLU-201A and BLU-201B. The A version is a true bunkerbuster with great penetration capabilities, while the B version contains a greater explosive charge to attack special targets in some roles. Because of different minor design features, the dimensions of the A and B versions are fairly different while the basic design schemes and glide characteristics are similar, allowing flexibility in the employment of the bombs.

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BLU-202A 'Megabomb'

Weight: 80,500kg (177,472lb)
Length: 20.5m
Diameter: 2.4m
Range: ~10-20km when dropped from 50,000-60,000ft altitude at high subsonic-low supersonic speed; range increases with altitude and release speed
Guidance: Inertial w/ GPS, IR optional at terminal
Explosive/Structure: 21,500kg explosive charge (likely ONC) with hardened osmium-cobalt alloy case and a penetrating tungsten head
Carrier Aircraft: B-105A (1 with modification), B-108A (1 with modification)
Cost: ~$800,000 - $1,000,000
Export: To Approved Allies Only; No Exceptions

One of the largest conventional bombs ever developed by OMASC, the BLU-202A is truly the pinnacle of the design of ordnance systems. Developed for the B-105A and the B-108A, it is designed to be carried aboard these two bombers with modification, and extensive sets of ground equipment are also required in order to successfully put the bombs into place. Though this unit is based on the BLU-201A, it does include several modifications as well, including the deletion of the glide wings in order to improve terminal penetration performance against ultralarge targets like bunkers and gun batteries, though this does decrease release range even at high altitudes. The guidance system is similar however though the 'guidance-on-the-move' and moving object-targeting capabilities are decreased for various reasons, making the bomb sutied for large ground targets that even the BLU-201 has difficulty of defeating. During testing in the Northern Gunnery Range, with its hard penetrative case and the colossal explosive charge, the bomb was able to successfully 'defeat unspecified targets simulating large underground bunkers'.

Adejaani

21-08-2005, 02:20

AGI announces AFD-21 Centurion

http://home.iprimus.com.au/quincyw/afd-21.jpg

It should firstly be noted that the AFD-21 Centurion program was jointly developed by AGI (Adejaani Government Industries); and our good friends, OMASC, whose efforts were literally 50% of the design and workload, testing etc of the finalised design.

Although Adejaani had previously launched its AFD-18 Stingray program, officials in the Directorate of Military weren't happy with it as a front line fighter operating in high risk environments. The AFD-18 was a good "home" fighter, generally with the "Air National Guard" (or equivalent), or assigned to reserve squadrons. But in front line units, the requirement still stood for a stealthy multirole fighter.

The AFD-21 Centurion resulted, based on an old conceptual design filed away as being unfeasable. Historian's note: The designation and name of 'Centurion' was a partial in-joke and designation, namely the AFD-21 was designed to be the sole and most important fighter of the twenty-first century.

As the requirement went, the AFD-21 was demanding, even by Adejaani standards. The AFD-14 Skyfire was perhaps one of the best pure air-superiority fighters out there on the market and for the foreseable future, would be Adejaani's one an only pure heavy fighter. Similarly, the AFD-12 Matador was a good heavy strike/attack fighter, with a range and payload second only to dedicated heavy bomber.

The AFD-21 thus had a number of functions, the first of which was a "bridging" fighter, to handle aspects of both. Towards this end, this new multirole fighter was designed to replace the F/A-18 (all versions) Hornet, the F-35 (all versions except STOVL) Joint Strike Fighter and the F/A-22 (all versions) Raptor for all occasions and numerous roles, including precision strike, escort, SEAD (Suppression of Enemy Air Defenses), to name a few. Secondly, it had to be stealthy. Third, it had to be carrier capable.

The design, although it seems to use F-117 type era technology, is actually more advanced, using significantly more advanced stealth structures in the leading edges. It was found, somewhat unfortunately, that in order to get the most out of an aerodynamic design for a multirole fighter, that it had to have these radical lines, as opposed to the beautiful B-2 and F/A-22 designs, which are gently tapered and graceful.

In service, the AFD-21 has proved exceptional in service, replacing F/A-18s and F/A-22s on a one-to-one basis and numerous other designs. Indeed, apart from the specialist fighter; and attack/bomber designs; the AFD-21 has proven to be better than the five separate combat aircraft it replaces.

Name: AFD-21 Centurion
Type: Carrier-capable multirole strike fighter
Length: 18.9m
Height: 4.9m
Wingspan: 13.9m
Propulsion: Two AED-21 PDE-turbofans at 55,000lbs each
Empty Weight: 13,825kg / 30,478lb
Maximum Takeoff Weight: 32,965kg / 72,675lb
Crew: One
Ceiling: >65,000ft
Range: 1,300km standard combat (assuming mixed attack/air superiority load)
Speed: Mach 1.48 supercruise, Mach 2.45 max
Armament: 27mm cannon mounted internally; two wingtip hardpoints, six wing hardpoints, and one internal bay with 6 standard hardpoints accepting air-to-air missiles, ground attack bombs, air-to-surface missiles, anti-ship missiles, powered decoys, and other assorted mix of loads.

Price per AFD-21 Centurion is $15 million.

Clan Smoke Jaguar

21-08-2005, 05:02

I know how much Adejaani hates others commenting on his designs [opinion ommitted], but I sincerely hope that price is a typo . . .

Oh, and total payload would be a nice stat to add, as would what could fit in the internal bay ;)

Adejaani

21-08-2005, 05:09

OOC: Blast you. :p Honestly, I had no idea, but Omz's indigenous F-14 version was around $18 million... Gah... Advice, Omz?

Omz222

21-08-2005, 05:12

OOC: Gah! My mistake. Should be 10,250 kilograms. For standard configurations, each internal bay should be able to hold three to four 1000lb-2000lb munitions (depending on the exact type, can be from heavy bombs to small cruise missiles such as the JASSM) for either ground attack or long range interception roles, or alternatively six to eight medium/intermediate range air-to-air missiles and two shorter range IR AAMs. Lighter munitions such as the Maverick and anti-tank missile pods (think Hellfire or Brimstone) could also be carried, although the latter should be carried externally.

EDIT - Adejaani, it's $65 million :p

Clan Smoke Jaguar

21-08-2005, 05:31

OOC: Hmm, that's a pretty large bomb bay for such a small aircraft. To be able to fit 6 1000 lb-class JDAMs (and the other assortment), it would have to be around 4.5m long, 2m wide, and at least 0.5m tall. Quite the chunk of the innards of the little bird.

You should be able to wing it though, as long as this isn't a deep strike unit. However, I'd like to make sure the 1300 km is for range and not radius. If the former, it's fine. If the latter, and is not including a significant fuel load in external tanks, it might be a bit high considering the internal space devoted to the weapons load.

As for an $18 million F-14 variant from Omz222, I can't think of one, unless it was from waaay back when. There was a time when many underpriced units were here, though those were mostly transport and EW aircraft, and that's certainly not so much the case now.

Omz222

21-08-2005, 05:44

Incidentally it does have a large bomb bay (more as a place holder for external fuselage hardpoints - but you'll also have to take into account that it doesn't have the smaller side weapon bays that the F/A-22 does have), mainly to decrease drag caused by the weapons (not too good for supercruise) and stealth as well. The wing hardpoints (which are designed in a blended shape with improved RCS reduction characteristics) would be used when stealth isn't so much of a concern. I've taken the somewhat short range of that into account, but looking at the fuel fraction I don't think it will be as short-legged as the F/A-18.

Adejaani

21-08-2005, 05:44

OOC: Any "other" things that I should edit? I only ever believe in one edit and one edit only.

I also note that I'm the storyboard and concepts guy. Omz does the stats. :p

Omz222

21-08-2005, 05:48

Let the criticisms develop along with further thoughts, which should be culminated into a conclusive edit if needed. However I think it's pretty polished, perhaps with the exception of fuel, though I figure that it wouldn't be too large of a problem :p

Adejaani

21-08-2005, 06:40

Omz222

21-08-2005, 06:47

OOC: Thanks for the stats, I never thanked you over IRC, or for that rapid stat glue-together.

Do you have a good EW package? I'll be developing a two seat EW variant (eg the F/A-18G "Growler") once we get the original AFD-21 down pat.
OOC: I'll figure something out. Something based on the original EA-18G with expanded components in some areas could be nice.

Adejaani

21-08-2005, 07:16

OOC: Actually, Omz... When the AFD-21 is finished, I also want to do THIS (http://www.fantastic-plastic.com/STINGBAT%20LHX%20HELICOPTER%20PAGE.htm) too. It's that cute little stealthy helicopter.

I think it's cool, it could be a new version of the RAH-66 Commanchero. It might be a bit iffy on ships, though... But take your time and stat this, I eventually want to put it into service.

Omz222

21-08-2005, 07:46

OOC: Ah, almost too adorable :p Anyways, would half a week to a week be acceptable for you as for the helo (preparation for exams + learning Falcon 4)? For the EW variant of the AFD-21, once that's finalized, I'll get something up. It'll be more of a modification of the AFD-21 itself than an 'universal mod', so to say. I also want additional capabilities against laser-based sensors (aka LADAR) as well.

Adejaani

21-08-2005, 07:53

OOC: Omz, my dear boy, you get unlimited time. As far as this thing is concerned, I'd rather we take our time, indulge our hobbies and get it right than rush the job. Real life and exams come first. So don't stress about rushing it back to me, okay?

As for LIDAR, good idea. How about a joint ARS-5 ("advanced") with new LIDAR and we can jointly design the thing and each put our own versions of it on our aircraft?

Omz222

21-08-2005, 07:56

OOC: To be frank, I'm not sure if integrating laser sensors into a radar system would be the best thing to do - it's best to keep it a separate sensor, but tied to the same fire control system. As for the mod for the new plane, what I was thinking about was some additional capabilities in tracking, engaging, and jamming (yes, jamming) LIDAR sensors with both onboard systems and modified missiles. Part of this would be making the plane's carriages 'modular' so that it can either accept a package of radar-suppressing equipment + munition or LIDAR-suppressing ones of similar nature.

Adejaani

21-08-2005, 10:19

Omz222

21-08-2005, 17:18

OOC: In my defense, ARS-5 is technically a radar system... But it's more of a suite of systems than an old fashioned radar array set... Further, we can create various packages. Like full packages, just the package for the "radar" or just for the laser guidance etc...
OOC: Yes, the ARS-5 is indeed a system of sensors, but in the end, it is a suite of radar sensors, correct? Mixing it up with LIDAR sensors wouldn't make any sense (even though I would have to question the physical possibility fo such task) except to make it overcomplex and prone to failure, especially when you consider that just by tying it to the same fire control system as the radar (note - not the radar itself, but the aircraft's FC system) as an independent sensor could make it more versatile, more reliable to use, and most importantly - more easier to use as well.

Adejaani

27-08-2005, 12:14

OOC: I don't know... I'll figure out something later. In the meantime...

IC:

From: (Captain-Commander ret) Nathan Black, Director of Military, Adejaani
To: Omzian military HQ; any other nations interested
Re: Training facility

At the direction of Castellan Fotheringown, after viewing an "Imax" movie regarding the US Air Force's "Red Flag" training facility, the Adejaani military is seeking technical expertise in creating a version of our own. Of course, our current training range is formidable, but we want something bigger.

We want a range that can be hired out to friendly nations. We want a range which could accomodate hundreds of aircraft at any time and place. We want a range which can simulate (even if it has to be landscaped) any and every battlefield environment. We want ranges big enough to accomodate three hundred or more aircraft in the air at the same time.

In short, we want a training range where no expense is spared. Where instead of simulating an enemy "rag-tag" force, they face against the most advanced, best equipped "enemy" available, which includes tankers, EW, AWACS and almost any and every scenario imaginable.

We look forward to your thoughts on this matter.

Regards
(Captain-Commander ret) Nathan Black, Director of Military, Adejaani

Scandavian States

28-09-2005, 16:52

The Imperial Aerospace Force, having reviewed recent OMASC airframes, wishes to negotiate a contract for the purchase of the following airframes:

2,880 B-101D Super Bombadier Heavy Bombers
2,880 B-108 Thunderhawk Strategic Bombers

Furthermore, the IAF wishes OMASC to develop a new variant of the F-125 that combines the stealthier features of the C variant with the interception prowess of the E variant. However, please be aware that this is viewed merely as a stopgap measure until a next-generation interceptor can be designed.

Also, the Imperium would appreciat OMASC looking into upgrades to all other IAF airframes that have not been mentioned previously in this communique.

Omz222

28-09-2005, 23:54

OOC: Alright, apologies for this short post, but the order is evidently confirmed and is scheduled to be delivered within a period of 15 years, with a batch of a few hundreds delivered per six months of time. With 15% discount and additional costs in shipping, spare parts, and support services from Omzian technicans, the total required funds amount to $3.122 trillion dollars.

About the F-125. I will definately look into that, though I'd still like to reiterate that the F-125 isn't quite much of a stealthy design from the start (nor do I intend to, considering that it relies on speed for protection). However, as an upgrade, I will definately look into that. The upgrade will be hopefully a bit more than a mere stopgap measure, as I do plan to renovate the F-125 airframe design itself as well, though primary roles will still be centered around home air defence, air-to-air interception, and high speed SEAD strikes against air defence targets. Hopefully the middle one can be expanded too.

The Silver Sky

29-09-2005, 00:43

The Silver Sky is looking to re-equip it's Long range transport capability and air to air missile systems, we wish to inquire about the price of Domestic Production Rights to the:
C-115 Fastrider Supersonic Tactical Transport Cargo Aircraft and the C-116 Loadmaster "C-Wing" Heavy Strategic Cargo Aircraft (http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=8534633&postcount=950)
AHD-2 Sergeant (http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=7585039&postcount=801)
E-35Z STOVL AWACS Aircraft, "Mark II" Upgrade (http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=7459657&postcount=735)
KC-117 Skycamel Box Wing Refuel Aircraft (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=8683080&postcount=979)
AIM-315A Spear (http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=6058363&postcount=619)
AIM-120P NLRAAM (http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=7677447&postcount=825)
AIM-317 Basilisk (http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=6110321&postcount=625)
MIM-316A Slingshot and the SADV-8A1 (http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=6104962&postcount=622)
MIM-329B High Arrow (http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=7628341&postcount=811)

We find the selection of products from Omzian Military Aerospace Corporation huge, it basically covers all our needs, expect us back for many more purchases if this one it confirmed.

Five Star General Maruc Cromwell
Commander of the Air Force

OOC: If my purchase is confirmed I want to know if I can use these missiles/planes on an off-site forum, I promise to not sell any to anyone there and to give full credit to you.

Also where can I get the launchers for the MIM-329B High Arrow?

Omz222

29-09-2005, 01:00

Though we are well aware of our friendship with The Silver Sky in the Wodstock Pact and likewise is extremely gratified to receive such praises and interest, with sadness and regret we also must reiterate the fact that we are extremely sensitive on the issue of production licenses. As we are a contractor that values business, relations, and moral value more than popularity, we are also consequently very reserved on the prospect of liberally granting domestic production licenses to nations, even if they are allies of the Omzian Republic. Thus, with the exception of established trading partners of OMASC, close allies, and other trading partners with existing records with OMASC (and whose product has stimulated much interest among the Omzian armed forces), we have no choice but to repeat our extreme unwillingness over the issue of granting production licenses to anyone else. Technology exchanges are certainly a possibility, though for various reasons we doubt that it can serve as a prominent factor that will shift our decisions.

Nevertheless, due to our current relations in the Woodstock Pact, we are able to offer the Silver Sky a chance to purchase individual, Omzian-manufactured units of the designs requested, and likewise we are also willing to allow discounts if the Silver Sky prefers to accept our offer and make purchases instead. Some equipment, such as the High Arrow air defence system however, are sensitive technologies and will be only available to close allies (this fact should be made very evident if our comrades in the Silver Sky has meticulously examined our terms for the missile on its description and introductory advertisements, in which we trust that they have done so) - and as such, unless a satisfactory technology exchange can be provided, we must decline the possibility, with our greatest sorrow and apologies.

Though we would like to once again reiterate our sincere regret and our own disappointment at our own failure to fully approve the possibility of granting production licenses of our products to the Silver Sky, we once again urge our respectable counterparts to browse our wide array of products, and make purchases of individual units if necessary. Once again, we have much reason to thank the great nation of Silver Sky for their loyal interest in our products, and is extremely thankful that they have chosen our solutions.

Signed,
Dormoe J. Inkans
Sales Control Board Director
Omzian Military Aerospace Corporation

OOC: With offsite forums, it's your choice. With the launchers, again it's also why that we prefer not to distribute it too widely - even though there are mobile launchers, most of them are stationed in fixed hardened facilities given their size, complexity, and priority, thus would be difficult to implement in non-Omzian miliraries.

The Silver Sky

29-09-2005, 01:16

OOC: Ok, that was a long post, I tried to read all of it, but with a fever and a runny nose and being tired I don't think I got all of it. Basically what you saying is no production rights unless I can give you a suitable tech exchange, but that I can buy units individually, right?

The only things I have suitable for tech exchanges would be my upcoming M-89 IFV(as seen on the Woodstock Pact forum), my 'Neptune' SDN, or my infantry weapons on my storefront. Though I do have an new family of vehicles based upon the RL CV-90, basically a Stryker, more armor, weapons, and more uses.

Omz222

29-09-2005, 01:39

OOC: Well, unlike the many regular storefronts and arms contractors, as you can already see we are very staunch on our production license policy. Technology exchange is certainly a possibility, but it's more generally suited for situations when both sides are allies and already enjoy a previously-established trading relationship and/or political and military ties. In the end though, you can obviously purchase individual units in most instances. Spare parts, technical services, etc. etc. are included on every purchase, and likewise I will also grant mass discounts as well in this instance. This especially goes for the cargo transports and the AHD-2 (the latter which isn't my product, BTW).

If you want, I can still grant the production rights for the missiles. For your instance, since this is a first instance where you are doing business with me, we are ICly willing to offer $10 billion for the Spear, the NLRAAM, the Basilisk, and the Slingshot & associated vehicle.

The Silver Sky

29-09-2005, 02:20

OOC: Ah, ok, i'll probably be back later to buy alot of those helicopters and cargo planes, but for now I'll take the missiles for the $10 billion, I'm still sick(damn allergies and flushot sideeffects) so I can't really make a big IC post, so consider the money wired.

Scandavian States

29-09-2005, 03:22

The Imperium was hoping to negotiate production rights into the deal and in exchange we would be willing to offer OMASC access to advanced materials R&D. While we are not yet prepared to negotiate on a price basis the value of our research without an assessment from OMASC management as to which individual technologies would be of use to their corporation, we are willing to bet that the project would be worth a significant reduction in the normal market value of these airframes.

Sincerely,
Duchess Asiya Saleh,
Director of Foreign Services

Omz222

29-09-2005, 04:38

As we have an extensive conglomeration of past trading relations with the Imperium's armed forces with satisfactory results and an immerse base of funds for OMASC to continue and expand its operation, upon the reception of this information we have little choice other than to effectively consider the prospect of a sale of special royalty-based domestic production licenses of both the Thunderhawk and Super Bombardier, in exchange for individual technologies provided by Imperium research institutes. Of course, the royalties will be drastically reduced in terms of percentage of unit cost depending on the nature of the technology(-ies) offered, and if the technology(-ies) offered is/are significant enough, there might even be a possibility of an unlimited domestic production license without royalties at all.

After a brief consultation with the various branches of the Omzian armed forces and paramilitary forces, we feel that it is in our best interest to humbly request the Imperium to provide a list of the type of technologies that may be made available to us as part of this deal. Particular interest lies in warship passive survivability and active self-defence systems, advanced infantry weapon systems, vehicle-based protection systems, and advanced armoured vehicles.

Scandavian States

29-09-2005, 05:46

..::Encrypted Message, 1024kb::..

TO: Director, Research & Development, OMASC
FR: Maj. Gen. Okalani, Defense Research Command, Imperial Army
SUB: Materials Exchange

What we are prepared to allow OMASC access to is not completed weapons systems but instead the means to, in future generations, build much more sophisticated and advanced means for defense.

In general our research of late has centered around metamaterials, aka "materials-by-design". Specifically, our research has ventured into the following areas:

"Left-Handed" Materials: Materials that have properties that are the exact opposite of the natural order of things. For example, plastics that are superconductors of electricity or are as strong as titanium and steel but substantially lighter. Obvious uses for such materials include plastic wiring and lightweight airframe materials, which could result in increased payloads and flight times while still breaking even or being lighter than using established construction methods. There is also the added benefit of a reduced logistics footprint for combat units utilizing vehicles that have these materials included, although how that is accomplished can be discussed later.

Photonic Band Gap Materials: Materials that, through their microstructure, allow light to function in microchips much the way that electricity does in current chips. This branch of metamaterials research has not yet been fleshed out enough to predict what could happen in the future, but most of our researchers in that area predict an optronics revolution similar to what the solid-state electronic transistor did for computer chips.

Electroactive Polymers: EAPs are sci-fi turned reality. Basically artificial muscles, they allow the construction and use of non-indoskeletal multipedal personal armour units. Basically, it is now possible to construct the battle suits from Heinlein's Starship Troopers.

Cagey Crystals: Characterized by randomly shaking atoms, this group of metamaterials could be crucial in developing materials that conduct electricity but not heat, thus improving the reliability of electronics. Unfortunately, this avenue of research is on the backburner until more is done with PBG materials.

Electrospun Fibers: By electrospinning microfibers and allowing them to collect into thin, nonwoven fiber mats, one could easily create a so-called "second skin" that behaves like a microporous membrane. The result could be anything from spacesuits that are drastically reduced in bulk and weight or a combat suit that, when combined with EAPs and other things, increases the efficiency and strength of soldiers on the battlefield without resorting to full-fledged battle armour.

As you can no doubt see, we are merely the keeper of the keys, where you go when you enter the castle is entirely up to you.

..::End Encryption, 1024kb::..

Omz222

29-09-2005, 21:45

-Encrypted Text Transmission, Confidental-
To: Maj. Gen. Okalani, Defense Research Command, Imperial Army
From: Commodore J. Kolans, Omzian Forces Liaison Director, Research and Projects OMASC
Subject: RE - Materials Exchange

After much discussion throughout OMASC and associated Omzian Forces scientific research institutes following the reception of the message from the Defense Research Command, OMASC and the Omzian Forces has agreed to reach a conclusion of accepting the offer presented by the Imperium on certain terms. Though our laboratories has done much research on advanced material technologies including metamaterials already beforehand, we have determined that by providing us with the results of the Imperium's research on these materials, it would drastically speed up our own research and assist us in finalizing these research projects quicker and less financially cumbersome. Though on the other hand our interest lies only in certain fields of metamaterial research, we are nevertheless willing to present our terms for this offer.

Under the proposed contract, OMASC would provide royalty-based domestic production licenses for both the B-101D and the B-108A airframe and associated systems with the royalty itself reduced to only 0.6% of the unit cost per airframe produced (1/5 of previous levels), in exchange for documentations, research results and data, technical assistance, and consultation data of researches that are being done on photonic gap materials, "left-handed" metamaterials including plastics of such nature, and electrospun fibres. It is important to note that under the current terms of contract, what we seek is not quite the complete set of research done on such materials (as our labs already has done researches of various degrees on metamaterials), but rather extensive assistance to allow us to conclude such research and condense it into a useable form, which is why we are willing to drastically lower the terms of the royalty-based domestic production licenses themselves.

As we are much thankful that the Imperium has decided to open our doors to such research, we eagerly await for a response from our counterparts.

Signed,
Commodore J. Kolans,
Research and Projects OMASC

-Transmission end-

Adejaani

30-09-2005, 10:36

OOC/IC Whoever it was that wanted spare parts/mass amounts/discounts/prod rights for the AHD-2, go ahead. Unless there's a specified allies only type thing, you can go ahead and... Whatever. Just please tell me directly, okay?

The Silver Sky

01-10-2005, 16:50

The Silver Sky Republican Army, Air Force and Naval Air Force was greatly impressed with your weapons we have decided to return for another purchase.

We would like to purchase:
10,000 x AGM-321B Meteor Air-Launched Anti-Ship/Land Attack Missile System for $47 Billion USD
10,000 x AGM-321A Meteor Air-Launched Anti-Ship Missile System for $46 Billion USD
1,000 x C-115 Fastrider Supersonic Tactical Transport Cargo Aircraft for $240 Billion USD
1,000 x C-116 Loadmaster "C-Wing" Heavy Strategic Cargo Aircraft for $580 Billion USD
500 x KC-117 Skycamel Box Wing Refuel Aircraft for $190 Billion USD

We hope these orders can be fullied.

Thank you,
Admiral Michael Sutherland, Commander of the Navy
Five Star General Marcus Cromwell, Commander of the Air Force
Five Star General Lance Jackson, Commander of the Army

Omz222

01-10-2005, 17:12

To: Adm. Sutherland, Cmdr of TSS Navy; Gen. Cromwell, Cmdr. of TSS Air Force, Gen. Jackson, Cmdr of TSS Army
From: Dormoe J. Inkans, Sales Control Board Director OMASC; Lt. Gen. Voranos, Omzian Ministry of National Defence External Defence Procurements Board

Though we have expected further interest by the Silver Sky in the wide range of our products and services available to an ally in the Woodstock Pact, we are nevertheless astounded but gratified that our comrades are willing to dedicate so much of their resources towards the procurement of OMASC products. After much review and the occasional disagreements and compromise, we have concluded with an approval of your armed force's request for this contract of enormous value, and will begin to proceed with the further arrangements that will be necessary towards consolidating this approval.

In total, with a 90% discount, we have determined that the base sum of this contract's financial value will lie in the close vicinity of $992.7 billion dollars. Taking additional fees such as transportation of products, technical assistance and services, and the provision of spare parts and maintenance equipment however, the cost will run higher (though not too high as these are not necessarily combat aircraft), accumulating to a ttoal of $1012.554 billion dollars.

Once the transfer of funds is initated (and we don't expect to receive the whole bulk of the funds in one instant transfer, as we dobut that it is possible with just about any nation, and instead requests TSS to plan the transfer of funds in the form of smaller installments over the product's delivery period), we will begin the manufacturing process, which will shift some sectors of Omzian production towards the production of TSS aircraft. However, although the missile systems can be delivered in a period of about 4 years (mostly because of the huge numbers), the cargo transports will take several years to manufacture and deliver.

If this arrangement is acceptable for our gracious counterparts in the TSS military, then we would like to once again reiterate our sincere thanks and appreciation for TSS's diversion of attention towards OMASC, and our eagerness at the prospect of make further dealings with TSS in the future. In the meanwhile however, we are waiting with joyful anticipation for the completion of the contract, albeit being years beyond our present reach.

The Silver Sky

01-10-2005, 17:44

To: Dormoe J. Inkans, Sales Control Board Director OMASC; Lt. Gen. Voranos, Omzian Ministry of National Defence External Defence Procurements Board
From: Adm. Sutherland, Cmdr of TSS Navy; Gen. Cromwell, Cmdr. of TSS Air Force, Gen. Jackson, Cmdr of TSS Army

We thank you for confirming our order, although me may have to dip into our reserves the first half of the cost ($506.272 Billion USD) will be wired shortly, the rest of the cost will be wired at $126.568 Billion USD a year for the next 4 years.

We suspected you might be surprised by the large number of systems ordered, but the reason for this is our armed forces are expirencing a vast refit of weapons, this refit also includes nearly doubling the size of our navy(last time I updated it was when I was 500 million), adding another army, and expanding our Air Force, the proccess is expected to take nearly 30-50 (NS year = 1 day) years with 25 years already gone by.

We again thank you for confirming our order, we have received many letters for our logisitical units expressing their thanks to you.

We may be back in a few (NS) months or years to place another purchase.

Thank you.

OOC: What's you best Close Air Support fighter you have for export? I need something to replace my aging A-10 Thunderbolt IIs.

Omz222

01-10-2005, 18:01

OOC: The A-102. It is an older design if you count RL years, but methinks it would still nevertheless suit your need for a new CAS aircraft.

Scandavian States

02-10-2005, 02:26

..::Encrypted Message, 1024kb::..

FW: Maj. Gen. Aston, Finance and Logistics Command, Imperial Army

-Encrypted Text Transmission, Confidental-
To: Maj. Gen. Okalani, Defense Research Command, Imperial Army
From: Commodore J. Kolans, Omzian Forces Liaison Director, Research and Projects OMASC
Subject: RE - Materials Exchange

After much discussion throughout OMASC and associated Omzian Forces scientific research institutes following the reception of the message from the Defense Research Command, OMASC and the Omzian Forces has agreed to reach a conclusion of accepting the offer presented by the Imperium on certain terms. Though our laboratories has done much research on advanced material technologies including metamaterials already beforehand, we have determined that by providing us with the results of the Imperium's research on these materials, it would drastically speed up our own research and assist us in finalizing these research projects quicker and less financially cumbersome. Though on the other hand our interest lies only in certain fields of metamaterial research, we are nevertheless willing to present our terms for this offer.

Under the proposed contract, OMASC would provide royalty-based domestic production licenses for both the B-101D and the B-108A airframe and associated systems with the royalty itself reduced to only 0.6% of the unit cost per airframe produced (1/5 of previous levels), in exchange for documentations, research results and data, technical assistance, and consultation data of researches that are being done on photonic gap materials, "left-handed" metamaterials including plastics of such nature, and electrospun fibres. It is important to note that under the current terms of contract, what we seek is not quite the complete set of research done on such materials (as our labs already has done researches of various degrees on metamaterials), but rather extensive assistance to allow us to conclude such research and condense it into a useable form, which is why we are willing to drastically lower the terms of the royalty-based domestic production licenses themselves.

As we are much thankful that the Imperium has decided to open our doors to such research, we eagerly await for a response from our counterparts.

Signed,
Commodore J. Kolans,
Research and Projects OMASC

-Transmission end-

TO: Director, Research & Development, OMASC
FR: Maj. Gen. Aston, Finance and Logistics Command, Imperial Army
SUB: Payment

The revised terms of the contract are acceptable to the Imperium. As this is such a large order, we would like to put a 10% down payment now and pay the remainder of the costs at 5% per annum. If this is satisfactory, please contact us immediately with the wire and bank account numbers attached.

..::Encrypted Message, 1024kb::..

Omz222

02-10-2005, 04:24

To: Maj. Gen. Okalani, Defense Research Command, Imperial Army
From: Commodore J. Kolans, Omzian Forces Liaison Director, Research and Projects OMASC
Subject: RE - Payment (Materials Exchange)

We are glad that such agreement can be reached by both parties, and likewise, we are also in joyful knowledge that the results of this particular segment of the deal will be able to benefit both parties in the future in various ways. In regards to the deal in general, we are also both satisfied and stirred with anticipation of future results by the conclusion of this massive order of just under six thousand aircraft, a record that was previously unbroken in various respects by any other foreign customer. As we agree to the terms of this financial transfer, it is our wish that the procurement of these aircraft will, in the near future, greatly contribute to the growth of the Imperium's ability to wage war both regionally and globally, and in turn be beneficial to the security of the region of Haven and the stability of current Imperium-Omzian ties.

Please allow us to follow this short confirmation message with our thanks for the Imperium's continued loyalty as not only a long-established customer of OMASC, but also their invaluable contribution to OMASC's success.

--Encrypted Transmission End--

Omz222

09-10-2005, 06:56

OOC: Not sure if I'll get along with further development of this thing, but Iv'e decided to flush out a preliminary specs for the upcoming F-125G. The time required for writing out the full description and perfecting this may extend into November or December, but this is intended as a replacement for both the F-125C and E:

F-125G "Bateleur"
Length: 28.5m
Height: 7.23m
Wingspan: 19.2m
Crew: 2 (Pilot and Radar Interception Officer)
Propulsion: Two Hongaz Electronics HEK-109D hybrid PDE-turbofans with afterburner and 3D thrust vectoring, 48,000lb thrust each
Empty Weight: 55,556lb (25,200kg)
Maximum Takeoff Weight: 122,577lb (55,600kg)
Ceiling: 80,000ft
Speed: Mach 3.25 at ceiling, Mach 1.85 supercruise
Range: 6500km ferry, 2300km combat radius (standard air interception)
Armament: 1x 20mm cannon, 24,251lb (11,000kg) of ordnances in 2x main weapons bays (MWB) and 8 external weapon stations, including 2 wingtip stations.

Instead of taking the approach of enhancing the sheer speed, the F-125G instead concentrates more on combat performance as not only a home defence interceptor, but also potentially as a ground-strike aircraft in addition to a front-line interceptor as well. Maximum speed has been reduced, but at the same time it has an improved supercruise speed (well, over the F-125C... but you also must consider that the F-125E shedded its entire external armament capability for a M1.9 supercruise), with enhanced range and combat radius. Also worthy of noting is the inclusion of a smaller 20mm cannon, and the dropping of the side weapons bays to achieve superior performance, but this doesn't mean that the overall payload is reduced. Smaller, but more powerful, engines are used as well to enhance range, endurance, and fuel efficiency.

Sensors will also be improved, including the standard radar/IRST systems, in addition to a long range LADAR system for stealth aircraft detection, and a special targeting pod specifically for air defence suppression, attack of radio communition sites, and so on. As a note, the latter may also be useful against stealth aircraft... I think it's obvious why, especially against combat stealth aircraft.

When compared, the F-125G is a bit slower but more maneuverable, more rugged in its construction and basic systems, and more capable and complex in its avionics (partly also because there are more room for such additions).

What's more, I will probably also design a new long-range AAM for this, along with an ASAT missile for taking out low orbit satellites.

Scandavian States

15-10-2005, 08:18

The Imperial Aerospace, after evaluating its capabilities in the area of recon aircraft, has found itself seriously lacking. Specifically the Imperium desires a platform capable of high-altitude, high-speed missions deep into enemy airspace to gather intel. As such, the Aerospace Force would like to purchase 576 RF-125 Peeker airframes.

Also, the Imperium is interested in the possibility of co-developing subsonic missile drones launchable from Imperial aircraft, especially the RF-125. It would be a drone with a max speed of Mach 1 and have capabilities for imaging across all spectrums, including sonic and radar. Special attention should be given to autonomous defense evasion and radar cross section. In short, we hope to develop the most advanced drone ever designed.

[I don't know how feasible the design for the drone would be for something based upon a missile body. It will probably have to be expanded to a full-fledged UAV. In which case I would have something to add to the requirements.]

Omz222

15-10-2005, 18:26

As we are always willing to fulfill the Imperium's requests in terms of the needs of its Aerospace Force, we have no doubt that complications or problems would spawn as a result of this contract, thus after little deliberation we have decided to approve the request. With a 10% discount, the total comes to $49.248 billion dollars. It is expected that with current production times, it will take between one to three NS years for the full batch to be delivered.

In regards to the drones, incidentally we have already inquired into such possibilities, which resulted in the development of a supersonic bomber-mounted UAV for scouting purposes. However, we do not doubt that the development of such drone would have too much problem. It is believed however, that such UAV will be built on the basis of a modified cruise missile with loitering capabilities, that is small enough to be mounted on the RF-125 yet long-ranged enough to keep the RF-125 outside of a long-range SAM's launch envelope.

Scandavian States

15-10-2005, 20:17

Omz222

15-10-2005, 20:34

[In this case, I want the development to fail in some spectacular accident, which results in a full-fledged UAV. Or budget constraints and the adding of too many advanced technologies could make the missile drone unpractical.]
OOC: Pretty much for a supersonic aircraft, you would need to base it off something that resembles a cruise missile - though I still don't understand why you want the development to fail in the middle of it.

Scandavian States

15-10-2005, 21:23

[Well, I'm going for an RP here. I request an air-launched drone similar to the Longeye, end up asking for too much to be crammed in, and it never really takes off (forgive the pun.) It seems like every project we co-develop (in an IC sense) succeeds despite massive obstacles, I'd just like the Imperium to pour a bunch of money into something that fails, for once.

If you don't want to go with that, we can always do the standard dev cycle.]

Omz222

15-10-2005, 21:46

OOC: I don't mind, and this indeed seems like an interesting idea. Perhaps we can start this off right now.

Adejaani

16-10-2005, 00:39

OOC: I could do the drone. With full sized avionics and self defense capabilites and fly like a fighter. It'd be a complicated system, but I could do it.

Do we have a competition or are you just going to buy Omz products because they're the best?:rolleyes:

Omz222

16-10-2005, 00:40

OOC: Competition is always nice and will certainly add to the taste of the upcoming development RP.

Adejaani

16-10-2005, 01:42

OOC: It won't be a "missile drone" per se... It's more like a large UAV. I can meet the requirements otherwise...

SS, is there any other feedback or anything else that you think might help?

Adejaani

16-10-2005, 04:49

Preliminary report, Scandavian States drone (Project Number ASSD-1)

Although AGI has not received an official RFT (Request For Tender), or approached by Scandavian States, AGI has begun Project ASSD-1 (Adejaani Scandavian States Design One) based on the initial requirements.

After the initial design phase, AGI has taken a radical design concept it is famous for. A full scale UAV, similar in size and concept to the RQ-4 Global Hawk, though faster, far stealthier and more survivable.

The preliminary ASSD-1 design is based on the AFD-7 Starfury (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=7382475&postcount=710), the so called multi-thrust vectoring design, with thrust nozzles that could literally have the aircraft change directions without any yaw maneuvres.

The first testbed has been modified into a preliminary UAV design by removing all the pilot related hardware and software (eg cockpit, displays, life support etc). The reductions in weight have allowed for a slightly sleeker design, slightly uprated engines and increased fuel capacity. The internal weapons pod has remained unchanged and is designed to house modular packages, from conventional radar, to infrared imaging, to advanced optical systems.

Because the preliminary ASSD-1 design is a UAV based off of a fully developed stealth fighter, it retains the stealthy features, plus a full suite of internal jamming and sensor equipment, plus chaff and flare decoys, plus other defensive measures (which includes limited number of HARM and Sidewinder missiles for self defense), not including the extraordinary maneuvering capabilities of the aircraft itself.

ASSD-1 is a relatively large aircraft, but the benefits of increased "built in" versatility, survivability, defensive measures, stealth and aircraft like endurance outweigh the size, cost and complexity.

The last factor in favor of the ASSD-1's design is its capacity to be reused with exceptionally simple ease, requiring a slightly lesser amount of maintenance as a "regular" aircraft, due to the reduction of pilot related systems.

This preliminary report has been deemed suitable for distribution and publishing by:
(Doctor PhD) Marianne Brooks, Director of Industries

Scandavian States

16-10-2005, 05:37

[Well, I originally intended to contract Omz solely for this one, but I have no objections to a competition.

However, there is something I want you to do for me. Build an updated version of the Tweety with a stealthier body. I need a smaller helo for my new air assault divisions, the UH-2 is simply overkill for rapelling and a pretty easy target when the thing's hovering while soldiers are fastroping.]

Adejaani

16-10-2005, 06:06

OOC: Can do, SS. Please give me a few "baseline" numbers to work on. How many passengers, rough performance, other requirements (eg four rapellers in one go, eight in total) etc

As for the competition... Think it over. I'll let Omz develop his concept and a rough baseline design before we continue and start making a proper go of it, okay?:)

Scandavian States

16-10-2005, 06:21

[Twenty to a helo, I think. Four fast-ropers. Performance numbers I'll leave up to you, just make sure it's fairly stealthy.]

Omz222

16-10-2005, 06:27

OOC: Again, the following only reflects the views of the IC characters involved :p /OOC

"So let me sort this out," Donkara said as he rested his chin onto his thumb, in his usual style of thinking as he paced around the room. "You are saying that we are getting competition? Once again?"

"Precisely, sir. But still, you know the usual routine around these types of matters. In the end, we might still get the contract," a man who was only known to Donkara as Nolen replied, almost as a matter of fact.

"Indeed," Donkara somewhat agreed and nodded. The specifics needed not mentioning in his spoken form. Still pacing around the room, he mentally divulged on the details of the current situation. He had confidence in OMASC's ability to earn another victory in the contract – although only a somewhat complete confidence in fact, as he corrected himself. But doubts still were in his mind. The designers at AGI, while still having failed to win certain important contracts, were getting better by the day as they passed. In fact, he never had any doubts in the abilities of the AGI engineers - he had complete respect for them, as a matter of fact - but it was only a matter in their growth of experience and expertise that made them dangerous. Dangerous to OMASC's own profits, in spite of the extensive partnerships between the two parties of this grand coalition of industries. Dangerous enough to demolish any doubt of internal conflict that certain outside observers still bears, either because of ignorance or near-sightedness. Finally he stopped his little walk in its own tracks, and turned to face Nolen on the broad basketball field. “Put some extra work into it, and we might just win the contract. But all still depends on fate, comrade, and the only thing we can do is to perhaps change the tracks that fate is traveling on. You are younger than me, but you also know the drill. They are getting better day-by-day, and I have no doubt in my mind that this time it is tough competition. Don’t think it will be easy work, mister,” he said with bits of doubt but also optimism in his voice – a paradoxical mix.

“Understood, sir,” Nolen agreed, and kicked a small rock off the edge of the asphalt ground, after methodically positioning it with his feet. He then looked up. “You happened to read the new report AGI just drafted on their new concept?”

“I have, indeed. Even in a first glance I can see enough problems –“

“I’ve told you, another easy contract,” Nolen interrupted his older counterpart with a feeling of self-assurance in his voice. “See –“

“Not precisely, young one,” Donkara retorted in his usual neutral voice, devoid of the energy that would allow him to create another uproar of emotions due to old age. “Impatience always handicaps one’s perception. What you don’t seem to acknowledge is that there are just as many advantages to it.”

“How so?”

“I will elaborate on that later, young friend,” Donkara replied and looked up. Through his thick glasses, he chanced at the blue sky, the gathering of air that sat above the entire compound of one of the biggest OMASC manufacturing facilities in the region. Air has never been so fresh here at Kanze, he reminded himself. Perhaps this is a lucky day. Just perhaps. Then, halting his pause, he opened his mouth and instantly spoke. “Right now, I want to know about the plan that your team is cooking up.”

“Yes, indeed, sir,” Noran responded with a light voice, as if this conversation is all pre-planned to his own advantage. “Our design calls for one based on an existing stealthy cruise missile we already had, that lost to the LRALCM but wasn’t entirely thrown into the wastebasket. A highly efficient turbofan will be powering this thing, and the entire thing is literally wrapped around its fuel tank to increase endurance. As usual, we have followed the philosophy that we had adopted for the Longeye. Modularity, but at the same time low cost and practicability, are the rules of the day here. It will adopt a special switchblade wing to increase flexibility and mission versatility, while enough measures has been already taken to reduce its radar cross section in various aspects, including the front and the belly. In terms of its payload, it will have four modular payload bays –“

“Four?” Donkara asked inquisitively, with a heightened pair of eyebrows.

“Indeed, four. They will be able to accommodate a variety of payloads, including reconnaissance sensors and electronic surveillance equipment. For heavier payloads, we have designed it so that two smaller bays can be combined into one, for larger sensor modules such as a LPI radar or a passive ELINT sensor. More so, it can also accept other modules, such as a radar jammer or even a submunition dispenser. The sensors will be connected to a datalink through a centralized computer architecture, which allows the drone to communicate with its launching aircraft, in addition to other platforms as well, though this is not ironed out. It will also have a smaller countermeasures bay, where it would store either flare, chaff, or a small towed decoy.”

“Any video links for the datalink?”

“I thought that is an obvious fact already, comrade,” Noran admitted and smiled at the thought. “We have also decided to add in some form of recovery capabilities. The drone is designed to be recovered by a net as used with some earlier UAVs, where the drone would just fly slowly into a net – on the ground or ship or whatever – and be recovered by ground or ship personnel, with some scratches or bangs against its composite airframe, of course.”

“What about the cost?” Donkara asked, almost as if darting the question.

“Oh… The design staff is still working on that,” Noran replied, almost admitting the uncertainty still revolving around this. “But we’ve compared it against the Adejaani one. We feel that while the capabilities of ours is a bit inferior, I must admit, ours will be cheaper to employ in combat scouting roles, and will also permit easy carriage on heavy tactical aircraft. The key is size and practicality here, comrade.”

Donkara nodded at the thought, and flicked off a small bit of rock that he picked up, into somewhere beyond the reach of his now-frail arms.

Adejaani

16-10-2005, 07:01

OOC: Nice one, Omz.:D

SS: I can do it, I'd just need to to work on it some. The problem's size. The tentative AHD-4 will actually be rather huge and will probably replace both the Tweety (AHD-3) and my AHD-2 medium/heavy helicopter.

Remember that the UH-60 Blackhawk carries about eleven passengers. The problem isn't really capacity, it's more keeping the airframe stealthy and relatively small enough to not be this big blob in the sky. But I can do it if I think about it long enough.

Scandavian States

16-10-2005, 07:24

[Ten is workable, if it helps. I realize twenty is rather big. Is the AHD-4 going to be a heavy lift helo like the Chinook?]

Adejaani

16-10-2005, 07:57

[Ten is workable, if it helps. I realize twenty is rather big. Is the AHD-4 going to be a heavy lift helo like the Chinook?]

OOC: I've currently got two trains of thought regarding the AHD-4.

Design 1: A tilt engine (note that it may end up as a proper jet engine, not turboprop) craft much like the V-22 Osprey

Design 2: An aircraft with the engines close in which could duct thrust downwards for a temporary hover/short STOL capability.

Neither of which is actually a good option as A: The Osprey type thing would be not very stealthy, as there are bits sticking out in all directions; B: The ducted thrust version is really an aircraft and a tremendous waste of resources.

But give me a week. I'm going back to my old ideas about tilt rotor/thrust to try and fix things. I guarantee you a definitive "something" by next, say, Friday?

Omz222

16-10-2005, 08:31

OOC: SS, if you are interested, here are the updated stats of the new variant of the F-125. I'm planning to have this replace both of my C and E variants.

F-125G Bateleur High Speed Interceptor/Strike Aircraft
Length: 28.8m
Height: 7.25m
Wingspan: 19.1m
Crew: 2 (Pilot and Radar Interception Officer)
Propulsion: Two Hongaz Electronics HEK-109D turbofans with afterburner and 3D thrust vectoring, 49,000lb thrust each
Empty Weight: 55,556lb (25,200kg)
Maximum Takeoff Weight: 122,577lb (55,600kg)
Ceiling: 85,000ft
Speed: Mach 3.35 at ceiling, Mach 1.86 supercruise
Range: 6300km ferry, 2200km combat radius (standard air interception)
Armament: 1x 20mm ETC cannon, 26,455lb (12,000kg) of ordnances in 2x main weapons bays (MWB) and 8 external weapon stations, including 2 near-wingtip stations.
Cost: $150 million per unit (approved allies only)

--2x Main Weapons Bays (weapons per bay): 3x Spear, 2x Spear & 2x NLRAAM, 6x NLRAAM, 2x NLRAAM & 2x 2000lb attack munitions, 2x NLRAAM & 4x 1000lb munitions, 2x NLRAAM & 6x 500lb munitions, 2x NLRAAM & 12x 250lb munitions; 1x ASAT/ABM weapon (future growth)

--6x Underwing Hardpoints: 8x 300gal fuel tanks, 4x 300gal & 4x NLRAAM, 8x NLRAAM, 4x Spear & 4x NLRAAM, 4x Long Spear & 4x NLRAAM, 4x 2000lb munitions & 2x NLRAAM, 12x 500lb and 250lb munitions & 4x NLRAAM; 2x ASAT/ABM weapon (future growth)

--2x Near-Wingtip Stations: 4x Air Snakes

Offensive Avionics System: 'Multiplex' forward-facing ELPI radar with improved anti-ARC capabilities (no rear facing sensors; but larger and longer ranged when compared to those in the F-125C; doubles as radar 'jammer' by concentrating high energy beams on radar and radio communication arrays to fry aforementioned sensors); 'Gull's Eye' air-to-air IRST system with pulse laser rangefinder (again, no rear-facing ones for some reason), 'Needlehole' air-to-air pulse LADAR (mounted in chin pod; also serves as LADAR jammer by emitting short but powerful and high energy laser pulses), 'Eagleye Ultra' multipurpose target detection pod (FLIR, nightvision - semi-rotatable pod facing forward, can rotate 120 degrees, mounted aft of 'Needlehole'); 'Avenger' centralized computer architecture & fire control system (utilizes multiple sensors against threats employing passive stealth and/or ARC systems, can retrieve targeting data through datalinks from other platforms); 'Thunderhurst' EW targeting system (pod mounted where the rear-facing radar was; allows the aircraft to target ground-based radars and communication emitters, including those employing LPI technologies)

Defensive Systems: 'Scarecrow' combined EWR/ECM system (radar jamming, limited ARC intended against only active radar-guided missile seekers, limited radar-targeting functions); chaff & flare dispensers; 'Woodplane' towed decoy system (serving as radar and limited IR decoy against missile threats) mounted on wings; electrochromic panels IR-guided missile countermeasures system

Others: Secure radio and satellite datalinks; 'Linkfox' datalinking system

Adejaani

16-10-2005, 08:49

OOC: I've had a thought about it. Currently, the concept is going to be like a Chinook type and sized frame (thank you, SS, for that suggestion), but sleeker and flatter (imagine a "sports car" type chassis). The design "should" be able to handle twenty passengers. I might also make it a single rotor job (think the Mi-26 Halo, biggest in the world).

I might still pull off something surprising in between now and then. Bye for now.

Scandavian States

16-10-2005, 09:06

[Okay, are we talking about different designs, here? A heavy-lift helo is fine, in fact I'd definately use it for my air assault divisions. However, I want a smaller helo along the lines of the Blackhawk, just a whole lot stealthier.]

Adejaani

16-10-2005, 10:14

OOC: Just one design. I was listing some of the possibilities that will get eliminated as I continue the design process. In other words, it might still be a "Frakenstein" aircraft, with a hodgepodge of technologies and concepts.

The Blackhawk one is really simple to do and I will definitely have it by next week. I could create Chinook and a Halo versions, depending on demand.

Adejaani

16-10-2005, 14:19

OOC: Just to do some IC background work on the ASSD-1...

They're meant to be AGI internal company memos being passed to/from management to the ASSD-1 design teams.

IC:

Subj: ASSD-1 FV-01; FV-02 overview

Flight Vehicles FV-01 and FV-02 for project ASSD-1 have continued testing and development for the Scandavian States' drone project. Two previously mothballed AFD-7 fighters were stripped of pilot support apparatus, with the intention of testing the viability of conversion into a full UAV concept.

This is intended only as an interim testbed measure, for testing concepts of UAV operations. Specially modified aircraft, built without the cockpits will add FV-03; FV-04; and FV-05 to the prototype testing fleet.

Subj: Investigation report: Loss of FV-02 test frame

The investigation into the crash of FV-02 and subsequent total economic and practical loss beyond salvage has not revealed any culpability, fault, or inherent design limitations and flaws within the testbed frame.

This investigation's conclusions, however, place the entire ASSD-1 program at risk: The necessary flight control software is unable to cope. Unlike most aircraft where the flight inputs (apart from environmental conditions like wind temperature, speed and direction etc) are only from the various control surfaces (flaps etc) and the engines; the AFD-7 design includes a significantly greater amount of inputs due to the nature of the multi-thrust vectoring.

In the original AFD-7, the multi-thrust vectoring (MTV) mode only activates in order to stabilise the aircraft (and then the physical control surfaces are used in preference), or unless the pilot activates it to perform a complex maneuvre.

However, in the case of FV-02 (and FV-01), the use of the MTV mode was a necessary evil, in order to give the control software time to "learn" the mode, otherwise it could not be used, rendering the whole concept obsolete, as the MTV mode is a major design selling point.

This investigation concludes that the current generation of fly-by-wire and control software is unable to handle the volume and complexity. Until this glaring oversight can be rectified, the entire program is at risk and must be suspended until adequate control software can be acquired (or developed) and utilised.

Subj: ASSD-1 modular recon packages

On a slightly happier note, FV-01 has completed a number of "straight line" tests (with little to no maneuvering, the MTV mode disabled) with the first of the modular recon packages tested. Presently, the operational and certified available and ready for use modular packages include:
Optical package, to 2 metre resolution
Infrared radar/night scope package
LIDAR and optical target tracking pods

Space Union

16-10-2005, 17:12

We are glad to see you once again. Because of our state-of-war we are in dire need of quality missiles. And our government has known that OMASC sells the best of the best missiles so we wish to aquire some of your missles for our war efforts against invading nations. We would like to ask if we could buy production rights to the following missiles:

Land Attack (Cruise/Attack):

BGM-502 Longaxe Medium Range Cruise Missile (Scroll Down)
BGM-503 Arquebus Long Range Cruise Missile (Scroll Down)

Anti-Ship:

AGM-321B Meteor Heavy Supersonic Anti-Ship Missile (Scroll Down)

Surface-to-Air:

MIM-316 Slingshot/SADV-8 Short Range SAM/AAA System
CIM/MIM-329 Long Range SAM
MIM-329B High Arrow Extremely Long Range SAM

Air-to-Air:

AIM-315A Spear Long Range AAM (Scroll Down)
AIM-315E Long Spear Theatre-Range AAM
AIM-317 Basilisk/Air Snake Short Range AAM

We understand your sensativity on prod rights. But we are willing to do anything for them. Thank You.

Omz222

16-10-2005, 17:29

While we are extremely glad that our Woodstock Pact ally Space Union has paid much attention to our products and has shown much interest, unfortunately it is our strictest policy to not provide production licenses for the majority of the systems listed to anyone unless as part of a technology trade with established business partners, or with long-term customers of OMASC and/or allies of the Omzian Republic. As this has already been done with the Silver Sky, with the greatest sorrow and regret we must admit that due to fairness, we have little choice other than deny the possibility in this case as well. On the other hand, we would have little hesitation over such request if Space Union has indeed been a long-term trading partner of the Omzian Republic.

However, on the other hand, after much deliberation, as a first-time offer we are willing to offer the production licenses for the Spear (not including Long Spear), the Basalisk, and the Slingshot & associated vehicles at a total cost of $8 billion. We must note however, this will only be applied when Space Union makes a guarentee to us that further purchases will be made in the future, as this primarily serves as a "first time" gesture; otherwise, the total cost will stand at $40 billion dollars.

The High Arrow units, once again much to our regret - and as shown previously - will be off-limits to everyone except close allies, for the reason that they are simply too sensitive to export liberally, while the facilities needed to launch them would be expensive and difficult to be built on foreign soil, to be sure.

We do however, invite and request the nation of Space Union to seek the alternative of purchasing our products. As we are already allies, we would be gratified by a great degree if the Space Union armed forces would do so. We guarentee Space Union that the first purchase will be met by a 30% discount, given Space Union's current engagement in an armed conflict. Further, to aid Space Union's war efforts, any purchases would be instantly treated as top-priority, and would be processed, manufactured, prepared, and shipped as such - and given the current manufacturing capacities of our industry, even an order of thousands of missile units would bear little difficulty for us to tackle.

Even though we must once again bow out heads down in regret about our denial, it is nevertheless done out of a need to conduct business effectively, in addition to fairness as well. As much as we apologize for our refusal that has been carried out under insurmountable circumstances an requirements, we also are extremely gratified by our gracious Space Union counterparts, who has taken much care and ardour to inspect and review our products. We also thank Space Union for their understanding of the issue - for we already owe much to them, and is hoping that the interest exhibited by Space Union in our products will stay.

Space Union

17-10-2005, 02:33

To: OMACS
From: Military Command,
Space Union Air Force,
Federal Sikh Republic of Space Union
Subject: Purchase

After hearing your response to our inquiry, we perfectly understand. We realise that it is standard business practice and if you make one exception you would have to make other exceptions, which is not good for the company in the long-run, even if the nation's are allied. For that reason we understand from where you are coming from and show no regret. For such general kindness we will be filling an order for your missiles in quantity.

We also are very greatful that you are willing to give us the production rights to those 3 fine missiles at such a low price of only $8 billion. We will take it and our country is in gratitude to such a kind business and ally we have been blessed with. Thank You.

As for our order we would like to file the following:

100,000x BGM-503 Arquebus Long Range Cruise Missile ($580 billion)
100,000x AGM-321B Meteor Air-Launched Anti-Ship/Land Attack Missile System ($470 billion)
100,000x BGM-323 Little Dagger ($330 billion)

These missiles have been evaluated as perfect for our needs in our war effort. We would, though, wish to ask if you have any suggestions for any other missile that might be effective at taking out incoming aircrafts, as we can decide which SAM to buy from you. Were talking about in a location the size of a large county. Please feel free to suggest any to us.

For our order the total price will come out to $1.38 trillion and including the $8billion for the other 3 missiles that will come out to $1.383 trillion. We sincerely hope that you can finish our order in short-notice as they are urgently needed. We once again thank your great nation for such great kindness and our nation couldn't ask for a better ally. And we will be stopping buy to buy more stuff from your great nation very soon. Consider OMASC a honorary military company of choice. Thank You.

Signed,
Chief-of-Military,
Manjit Kaur

Omz222

17-10-2005, 02:55

OOC: Consider this a confirmation (sorry, but don't really have the feel to make a much more elaborate IC post right now). With a 30% discount the total comes to $974 billion dollars, in which the missiles will be delivered in smaller batches in quick succession, with the last missile delivered within a few years.

As for SAMs, as much as the question is a good one, I haven't observed much in regards to long-ranged SAM systems. I'd suggest you to take a look at the major storefronts of various nations, especially those that makes aircraft and/or munitions; otherwise, I don't see how an improved S-400 variant won't suffice as a temporary solution.

Space Union

17-10-2005, 03:15

OOC: Could you also add the following to my order:

100,000x AGM-326 Buzz Dart New Air-Launched Supersonic Anti-Radiation (NALSAR) Missile ($36 billion)
100,000x MIM-329 High Arrow ($1.2 trillion)

This new additions included the entire thing comes out to a total of $2.619 trillion without the 30% discount. With the 30% discount it will come out to a grand total of $1.8333 trillion. Thanks a bunch :)

Omz222

17-10-2005, 03:31

OOC: I'll accept the NALSAR, but for the High Arrow, allow me to quote this once again, two posts back:
The High Arrow units, once again much to our regret - and as shown previously - will be off-limits to everyone except close allies, for the reason that they are simply too sensitive to export liberally, while the facilities needed to launch them would be expensive and difficult to be built on foreign soil, to be sure.
I've also basically said the same thing in the description itself (if you didn't notice), and the reasons for the refusal are three-fold:
a) The missile itself isn't used in the same role as you would use a Patriot or a S-300/S-400/whatever, and is more designed to defend fixed installations. Likewise, it is pretty much designed to our own requirements, and isn't really designed for exports from the start;
b) The missile's launchers and launching facilities are high specialized, which means that it'll require as much money to construct the facilities to launch them as it would to construct the missiles themselves. Not only is it expensive, but regardless of how much money are paid, 100,000 is very difficult, if not impossible, to manufacture in such short period of time; and
c) SAMs are not generic. That is, you don't buy them and expect that they can be launched from any vehicle. They won't - and they will require specialized launchers. This is even more true for the High Arrow. For the reason above, and for the reason that the sensors and launchers that are used them does require classified technology, it'd be a miracle if I export this to anyone.

So here are the three reasons, and my apologies for my refusal for the latter part of the request - not only based on reasons involving classified technology, but practicability and technical reasons as well.

As a side note, I do recall that the Macabees was selling some kind of a SAM, so you might be interested.

Space Union

17-10-2005, 03:38

OOC: I'll accept the NALSAR, but for the High Arrow, allow me to quote this once again, two posts back:

I've also basically said the same thing in the description itself (if you didn't notice), and the reasons for the refusal are three-fold:
a) The missile itself isn't used in the same role as you would use a Patriot or a S-300/S-400/whatever, and is more designed to defend fixed installations. Likewise, it is pretty much designed to our own requirements, and isn't really designed for exports from the start;
b) The missile's launchers and launching facilities are high specialized, which means that it'll require as much money to construct the facilities to launch them as it would to construct the missiles themselves. Not only is it expensive, but regardless of how much money are paid, 100,000 is very difficult, if not impossible, to manufacture in such short period of time; and
c) SAMs are not generic. That is, you don't buy them and expect that they can be launched from any vehicle. They won't - and they will require specialized launchers. This is even more true for the High Arrow. For the reason above, and for the reason that the sensors and launchers that are used them does require classified technology, it'd be a miracle if I export this to anyone.

So here are the three reasons, and my apologies for my refusal for the latter part of the request - not only based on reasons involving classified technology, but practicability and technical reasons as well.

As a side note, I do recall that the Macabees was selling some kind of a SAM, so you might be interested.

Oh my bad. I thought you were just refering to prod rights. I understand. :) I'll check Mac's out.

Omz222

17-10-2005, 03:40

OOC: Alright. OMASC hopes for a victorious Space Union to emerge from the misty fogs of war.

Space Union

17-10-2005, 03:43

OOC: Alright. OMASC hopes for a victorious Space Union to emerge from the misty fogs of war.

Thanks :) And also expect me to come back soon for other airforce reasons. ;)

Omz222

17-10-2005, 22:23

F-125H Lammergeier High Speed Interceptor/Strike Aircraft
Length: 28.2m / Height: 7.21m / Wingspan: 19.3m
Crew: 2 (Pilot and Radar Interception Officer)
Propulsion: Two Hongaz Electronics HEK-522D PDE-turbofans with afterburner and 3D thrust vectoring, 55,000lb thrust each
Empty Weight: 58,863lb (26,700kg)
Maximum Takeoff Weight: 121,915lb (55,300kg)
Ceiling: 90,000ft
Speed: Mach 3.75 at ceiling, Mach 1.58 supercruise
Range: 4600km ferry, 1300km combat radius (standard air interception)
Armament: 1x 20mm ETC cannon, weapons in two main weapon bays and two external stations.
Cost: $190 million per unit (approved allies only)
--2x Main Weapons Bays (weapons per bay): 2x Spear, 1x Spear & 2x NLRAAM, 4x NLRAAM, 2x NLRAAM & 2x NALSAR ARM, 1x ASAT/ABM weapon (future growth)
--2x Underwing Hardpoints: 2x Long Spear & 2x NLRAAM, 2x NLRAAM & 2x NALSAR ARM, 4x 300gal fuel tanks, 2x ASAT/ABM weapons

Offensive Avionics System: 'Multiplex-Avenger' forward-facing ELPI radar with improved anti-ARC capabilities; 'Gull's Eye' air-to-air IRST system with pulse laser rangefinder (again, no rear-facing ones for some reason), 'Lightcaster' air-to-air pulse LADAR (mounted in recessed chain station); 'Avenger' centralized computer architecture & fire control system (utilizes multiple sensors against threats employing passive stealth and/or ARC systems, can retrieve targeting data through datalinks from other platforms); 'Thunderhurst Lite' EW targeting system (pod mounted where the rear-facing radar was; allows the aircraft to target ground-based radars and communication emitters, including those employing LPI technologies)

Defensive Systems: 'Scarecrow' combined EWR/ECM system (radar jamming, limited ARC intended against only active radar-guided missile seekers, limited radar-targeting functions); chaff & flare dispensers

Others: Secure radio and satellite datalinks; 'Linkfox' datalinking system

Scandavian States

18-10-2005, 06:21

[I note some differences with the G and H variants, but could you outline why you made such similar aircraft into two different types? Are there role differences intended in the designs?]

Omz222

18-10-2005, 06:26

[I note some differences with the G and H variants, but could you outline why you made such similar aircraft into two different types? Are there role differences intended in the designs?]
OOC: Think of an upgraded variant of the F-125C for the -G variant; and the F-125H is essentially a F-125E equivalent of the F-125G. Compared to the -G variant, the -H is essentially stripped of everything except some downgraded avionics, in order to achieve a much greater speed. The -G is more of a multirole interceptor, while the -H is strictly an air-to-air home defence interceptor with limited SEAD capabilities.

I've designed the -G both according to your requirements and for my own air force, while the -H is intended as a modification only for the Omzian Air Force.

Scandavian States

18-10-2005, 07:03

[Hmm, I think I'll be buying both sometime soon. Not only will it help me define which F-125s to send abroad simply by looking at my charts, but it adds the complexity I'm seeking to input into my Aerospace Force.

Actually, I'm wondering if it wouldn't be possible to make a dedicated Wild Weasel variant of the F-125. The F-4, I'm sure you remember, was originally designed as a high-speed interceptor but performed incredibly well in the SEAD role.]

Omz222

18-10-2005, 07:12

Actually, I'm wondering if it wouldn't be possible to make a dedicated Wild Weasel variant of the F-125. The F-4, I'm sure you remember, was originally designed as a high-speed interceptor but performed incredibly well in the SEAD role.]
OOC: Actually, it is indeed possible, though I haven't thought much about it myself due to both requirement and cost reasons, since the F-125G right now is already a pretty effective air defence suppression platform. Despite that, if you really want, I'll look into it, depending on how much time I have.

Scandavian States

18-10-2005, 07:15

[Look into it and if you do it, barebones it down into that one specific capability.]

Omz222

18-10-2005, 07:18

[Look into it and if you do it, barebones it down into that one specific capability.]
Definitely; however, to give you a hint, it doesn't hunt down radars, and radars only.

Adejaani

18-10-2005, 12:58

OOC: It's too late at night and I'm exhausted after finishing two assignments, but...

SS/Omz: The AHD-4 helicopter is going to be, as with all AGI products, unique. As it stands, the AHD-4 will have five variants. They are:
"A": A light scout helicopter capable of carrying a fire team (think "Flying Humvee")
"B": A Blackhawk sized machine capable of carrying roughly ten fully loaded combat troops
"C": A "Chinook" type helicopter with a capacity of around thirty troops
"D": A "Super Stallion" type heavy helicopter for moving around sixty combat troops
"E": A "Halo" type ultra sized helicopter for moving lots of stuff (or around eighty combat troops)
Think of the thing as like the F-35 JSF, with different variants of different sizes. The latter two are meant to be purely for cargo transport in benign environments, the first three are "combat" helicopters. The "combat" versions should be able to handle almost any situation demanded, which includes "fast roping" and stuff. ICly, they're under development, finalised rollout will occur Friday night in Australia.

The second wrinkle is that the AHD-4 is going to be the standard utility helicopter. Like the H-60 (Blackhawk/Seahawk/Nighthawk etc), I'm going to create dozens of versions, from battlefield utility, to ASW, to cargo, to VIP and just milk the thing.

Are there any other requirements or suggestions you want before finalising the design, Omz/SS?

Scandavian States

18-10-2005, 21:39

[None that I can think of.]

Omz222

19-10-2005, 00:25

Not really :p This'll definitely be interesting, and worth the wait!

Scandavian States

19-10-2005, 04:52

Definitely; however, to give you a hint, it doesn't hunt down radars, and radars only.

[Well, a general SEAD role. Obviously radars is part of that package.]

Scandavian States

19-10-2005, 06:09

The Imperial Aerospace Force would like to request production rights to the G and H variants of the F-125 interceptor. While we understand that normally production rights aren't granted without a like exchange, we currently have no technologies to trade. However, we can guarantee access to any future products or technolgies that the Omzian government or military might want.

Sincerely,
Air Martial Ainsley McLeod,
CO, Imperial Aerospace Force

Omz222

19-10-2005, 06:17

OOC: Since I think that we both might want to be done with royalties, how about say... $125 billion for the unlimited domestic production licenses for each aircraft, along with all of its associated systemss?

Scandavian States

19-10-2005, 06:25

[Hmm, sounds good to me.]

Omz222

22-10-2005, 18:09

AGM/RGM/UGM-321G Meteor-G Multiplatform Heavy Antiship Missile
Length: 10.6m
Wingspan: 2m
Diameter: 0.9m (900mm)
Weight: 8420kg (18,563lb) excluding sub-launch canister and surface-launch rocket booster
Guidance: Inertial with GPS (up to four waypoints) with datalink; dual active/passive radar and imaging IR at terminal
Propulsion: PDE with 3D thrust-vectoring nozzle and rocket booster
FLIGHT PROFILES: Hi-Hi-Dive, Lo-Hi-Lo, or Hi-Lo-Lo sea-skimming and terrain following
Hi-Hi-Dive (720km): Mach 4.5 at 70,000 - 80,000ft altitude, Mach 4.9 terminal 70-80 degree dive
Hi-Hi-Lo (520km): Mach 4.3 at altitude, Mach 3.5 50ft seaskimming, Mach 4 28ft terminal
Hi-Lo-Lo (360km): Mach 3.2 75ft seaskimming, Mach 3.8 28ft terminal
Warhead: 1480kg (3262lb) HE with penetrator
Carrier Platforms: B-101 (6/3), B-106 (2/1), B-108 (9/6); Surface-based VLS (inc. Freethinker Mk.72 Strategic, CSJ Crossbolt VLS); submarines with 1000mm torpedo launch capability
Countermeasures: LADAR and radar warning systems; evasive maneuvering control and missile-to-missile automated communication systems
Cost: $6.5 million (close allies only; no exceptions)
This is a long-called for rendition of the venerable Meteor-B, this time with a brand new airframe and a new PDE engine, which allows a boost in range and speed. Extended fuel tanks allows greater seaskim operation capabilities, while the warhead is also improved to combat some of the well-armoured battleships that are now common among the world's navies. Further, though the land attack capabilities are not as extended, the missile can now be launched from surface, air, and submerged platforms, permitting flexible operation with its dynamic flight profiles and capabilities to fly through up to four waypoints. RAM are applied through the missile, while the entire airframe is also reinforced with heat-resistant metals and composites, giving it extra strength against shrapnel. In the Omzian Navy weapons arsenal, it is replacing a range of anti-ship weapons, while complementing the existing Roundel and Longaxe anti-ship missiles.

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RGM-355H Meteor-H Surface-Launched Ultraheavy Antiship Missile
Length: 23.7m
Wingspan: 3.5m
Diameter: 0.9m
Weight: 17,200kg (37,919lb) with rocket booster
Guidance: Inertial with GPS (up to four waypoints) with datalink (with air platforms including AWACS and ELINT aircraft); dual active/passive radar and imaging IR at terminal
Propulsion: PDE with 3D thrust-vectoring nozzle and rocket booster
FLIGHT PROFILES: Hi-Hi-Dive, Lo-Hi-Lo, or Hi-Lo-Lo sea-skimming and terrain following
Hi-Hi-Dive (730km): Mach 4.3 at 60,000 - 70,000ft altitude, Mach 4.6 terminal 70-80 degree dive
Hi-Hi-Lo (560km): Mach 4.1 at altitude, Mach 3.2 65ft seaskimming, Mach 3.8 35ft terminal
Hi-Lo-Lo (380km): Mach 2.8 80ft seaskimming, Mach 3.3 28ft terminal
Warhead: 2850kg (6283lb) HE with penetrator
Carrier Platforms: Surface-based VLS (inc. CSJ Mk.127b)
Countermeasures: LADAR and radar warning systems; small radar jammer; evasive maneuvering control and missile-to-missile automated communication systems
Cost: $8.6 million (close allies only; no exceptions)
An upgraded variant of the gigantic Super Meteor missile, the Meteor-H is in essence the big brother of the Meteor-G, sharing various commonalities yet being much larger. It is designed specifically to defeat the armour of heavily-armoured battleships and carriers, and among other roles, used against certain areas of the vaunted superdreadnaughts where it is the most vulnerable. Due to the room available n the missile, the missile is equipped with a powerful targeting computer that can discriminate major ship types, while allowing the missile - to a limited extent - to target specific areas of large ships such as carriers and battleships (e.g. bridge, gun turrets, VLS cells, etc). A smart fuze is also installed, in which it would allow the warhead to be detonated during the various stages of armour penetration to achieve maximum damage effects.

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RGM-356C Hailstorm-C Ultraheavy Hypersonic Attack Missile
Length: 23.8m
Diameter: 0.9m
Weight: 16,500kg (36,376lb) with rocket booster
Guidance: Inertial with GPS and datalink; imaging IR and EO at terminal
Propulsion: Scramjet with 3D-thrust vectoring nozzle and rocket booster; "bending body" for maneuver control
Flight Profile: Hi-Hi-Dive (1800km land attack, 750km sea attack): Mach 7 80,000 - 100,000ft high altitude, Mach 8.2 70-80 degree dive at terminal
Warhead: 3600kg (8378lb) HE with penetrator
Carrier Platforms: Surface-based VLS (inc. CSJ Mk.127b)
Cost: $9.2 million (close allies only; no exceptions)
The upgraded version of the Hailstorm II hypersonic attack missile, this is designed as a suitable complement for the Meteor-H that bears both land-attack and (to a limited extent) surface attack capabilities. Compared to the Hailstorm-C, it has a revamped airframe and a new scramjet engine, and utilizes thrust vectoring and a "bending body" for maneuver control as opposed to wings. The guidance systems are also improved, giving it limited capabilities against ships if launched with a missile-aircraft or missile-ship datalink in place. This means that the missile would be especially ideal against large battleships and even dreadnaughts, where it would utilize both its gigantic warhead and kinetic energy to penetrate armour and cause havoc within the target. But, unable to target ships with much accuracy, it only serves in a limited anti-ship capacity; however, it does have extensive land attack capabilities, allowing it to be deployed against targets including fortifications, bunkers, and other high-value, hardened targets that a subsonic cruise missile would have much difficulty against.

Scandavian States

22-10-2005, 18:44

[Omz, you forgot to include the range of those missiles.

EDIT: Nevermind. I'm just used to seeing range listed under its own category.]

Omz222

22-10-2005, 18:46

[Omz, you forgot to include the range of those missiles.]
OOC: I haven't. :p

Space Union

22-10-2005, 22:31

Omz: Would I be qualified to buy those missiles? Also I would like to open up to buy those F-125Hs, if I'm allowed.

Omz222

23-10-2005, 00:45

Omz: Would I be qualified to buy those missiles? Also I would like to open up to buy those F-125Hs, if I'm allowed.
OOC: No problem with the F-125H and the first one of the three missiles. For the latter two however, it would only make sense for people to buy it if they actually have the vessels with the suitable launching systems to accommodate & launch these missiles, in which I'm afraid only a very few nations actually do have the compatible vessels.

Scandavian States

23-10-2005, 00:55

[I like the Meteor series, it would make an ideal choice for shore-based anti-ship batteries. I'll consider buying the production rights.]

Omz222

23-10-2005, 01:47

AGM/RGM/UGM-324E Tigersword-E Multiplatform Multifunction Cruise Missile
Length: 7.65m (with rocket booster)
Wingspan: 3.2m
Diameter: 70cm (700mm)
Weight: 2100kg
Guidance: Inertial with GPS, TERCOM, and datalink, imaging IR and EO at terminal
Propulsion: 3D Thrust Vectoring Turbofan
Speed: Mach 0.8 cruise, Mach 0.98 terminal
Range: 2000km land attack, 750km ship attack
Warhead: 1000kg HE, 630kg penetrator, 370x CEB submunitions, 25x BAT
Carrier Platforms: B-101D (24/18), B-106 (4), B-108A (36/18), VLS cells on ships, submarines with VLS and/or 28 inch torpedo tubes
Countermeasures: LADAR and radar warning receivers; evasive maneuvering control; small radar jammer
Cost: $2.5 million (close allies only; no exceptions)
The Tigersword-E is an upgraded version of the veneable LRALCM, and continues the tradition as a stealthy land attack cruise missile. However, also when compared to the LRALCM, the Tigersword-E is designed to be vastly more flexible, versatile, and modular, being able to carry out both anti-ship and land attack missions in one single package. It can also be launched from a vast array of platforms, including aircraft, surface ships, submarines, and even ground vehicles, which gives it much flexibility. Further, unlike the LRALCM, the housing for the payload is designed to be modular, which means that it can accept a wide range of conventional payloads, and possibly unconventional payloads as well. The Tigersword, like the LRALCM, are constructed of a light composite and kevlar-based body, with extensive applications of RAM and RAS materials as well. However, unlike the LRALCM, it lacks the armoured protection, trading it for bigger fuel tanks and thus a greater range. The engines are also modified, with a highly efficient turbofan (as opposed to a PDE-turbofan on the original LRALCM) powering the missile, providing not only greater fuel efficiency but a much smaller IR signature as well when compared to the LRALCM.
The missile also boasts an even more capable electronics system. A guidance system consisting of INS coupled with GPS and TERCOM systems are provided as standard, along with a highly accurate imaging IR and EO seeker suite for terminal guidance. because of this, in both land and ship attack roles it can also target specific points of the overall target (e.g. windows on a building, or the bridge of a ship), with the thrust vectoring nozzles of the engines and the switchblade wings providing unprecedented maneuveribility and accuracy. The GPS system allows it to fly over an astonishing 12 waypoints, allowing much flexibility in the phase of mission planning. Lastly, it is also equipped with a datalink, which can not only receive live targeting data from aircraft and surface platforms, but also land platforms as well, allowing in-flight targeting and retargeting capabilities. In other situations, it can also loiter around the target as well.

AGM/RGM/UGM-324E Tigersword-F Light Multifunction Cruise Missile
Length: 4.6m
Wingspan: 2.8m
Diameter: 70cm (700mm)
Weight: 1200kg
Guidance: Inertial with GPS and datalink, imaging IR and LADAR at terminal
Propulsion: 3D Thrust Vectoring Turbofan
Speed: Nach 0.82 cruise, Mach 0.99 terminal
Range: 600km
Warhead: 580kg HE, 380kg penetrator, 216 CEB submunitions, 12x BAT
Countermeasures: LADAR and radar warning receivers; evasive maneuvering control
Cost: $1.5 million (close allies only; no exceptions)
This is in essence, the smaller brother of the Tigersword-E, and is intended as a JASSM replacement. Otherwise, it is pretty much the same missile.

AGM/RGM/UGM-324G Tigersword-G Multifunction Heavy Payload Cruise Missile
Length: 8.4m (with rocket booster)
Wingspan: 3.5m
Diameter: 70cm (700mm)
Weight: 2250kg
Guidance: Inertial with GPS, TERCOM, and datalink, imaging IR and EO at terminal
Propulsion: Turboprop
Speed: Mach 0.65 cruise, Mach 0.75 terminal
Range: 2500km land attack, 780km ship attack
Warhead: 1400kg HE, 516x CEB submunitions, 36x BAT
Carrier Platforms: B-106 (4), B-108A (36/18), VLS cells on ships, submarines with VLS and/or 28 inch torpedo tubes
Countermeasures: LADAR and radar warning receivers; evasive maneuvering control; small radar jammer
Cost: $2.1 million (close allies only; no exceptions)
This is the so-called "heavy payload" variant of the Tigersword, powered by a highly efficient turboprop engine, allowing great payload over very long ranges. In general this is similar to the standard Tigersword-E, but it has an added re-attack capability when loaded with submunitions, in which after loitering around a target area the missile can autunomously set up to six attack runs on a target, unleashing an equal number of submunitions in each pass. After finishing the attack runs, it dives down onto its target and self-destructs.

Adejaani

23-10-2005, 02:04

OOC: The problem's finding some durn good stats for this. So... Please politely point out any issues you have with the thing and I'll update it. And I'm working on the bigger ones.

IC: AHD-5 Bumblebee

The first new helicopter from AGI is the AHD-5 Bumblebee. Originally touted as the smallest of the AHD-4 programme, its significance has become the single most demanded product by AGI, which is not bad considering it was never meant to be produced!

The original specifications had called for a UH-60 Blackhawk replacement, but it was found that a "non combat" light utility helicopter in a niche role would be also welcomed, much like the UH-1 Iroquois (the famous "Huey"), with the Blackhawk type be the "combat" utility helicopter role.

The AHD-5 is essentially a twenty-first century stealthy version of the Huey, with a "sports car" type chassis (it has an "F-117 Nighthawk" look about it). The rotors are gently curved inwards, almost scythe-like. The outer skin is made from the trademarked Hardhat™ armor, although there are no additional defensive measures save an IR suppressor (and its innate stealthiness and maneuverability).

The AHD-5 has proven to be a surprising investment. The first twenty production models have been immediately put into service, but only after literal fistfights to see who got them! Demand has been so great, hence its own model number and even a dedicated factory has been set up to cope with demand. Additional versions are being developed with various Mast Sensor Systems to act as scout helicopters. Also, "civilian" versions are being developed for millionaires and news organisations and the like.

If, perhaps there is only one "flaw" to this useful little helicopter, it is the fact that it has no tail rotor (which could not be made stealthy enough, even with shrouding), which requires ducted thrust from the engines. The use of direct ducted thrust tends to blow up a cloud of dust and make flying debris a hazard, which is offset by the high mounted tail.

Specifications
Name: AHD-5 Bumblebee
Type: Light transport/utility helicopter
Length: 18.1m
Height: 4.7m
Rotor diameter: 14m (four bladed rotor)
Power plant: Two AEHD-7
Range: 240 miles
Empty weight: 2 tons
Max takeoff weight: 5 tons
Crew: Two (Pilot/copilot)
Passengers: Five
Armaments: None
Versions:
AHD-5 (baseline) - Utility/multirole/VIP transport
AOHD-5 - Observation/scouting (with Mast Sensor Systems)

Unit cost per baseline AHD-5 is 15 million. Cost per AOHD-5 (scouting version) is 20 million due to more advanced systems.

Omz222

23-10-2005, 02:18

[OOC:

Adejaani: Keep it coming :D

SS: I'll see what I can do for the Meteor. Since you are a long-term trading partner anyways, I would have no problem granting the licenses, for a price of course.

Space Union

23-10-2005, 02:42

To: OMASC
From: Chief-of-Military Manjit Kaur,
Military High Command,
Federal Sikh Republic of Space Union
Subject: Order

We are glad to see our friends in OMASC again. We are so delighted with your products we wish to apply another order:

18,750x F-125G High-Speed Interception/Strike Fighters
($2,812,500,000,000)
200,000x AGM/RGM/UGM-321G Meteor-G Multiplatform Heavy Antiship Missile ($1,300,000,000,000)
100,000x BGM-503 Arquebus Long Range Cruise Missile ($580 billion)
100,000x AGM-321B Meteor Air-Launched Anti-Ship/Land Attack Missile System ($470 billion)
100,000x BGM-323 Little Dagger ($330 billion)
100,000x AGM-326 Buzz Dart New Air-Launched Supersonic Anti-Radiation (NALSAR) Missile ($36 billion)
1,000,000x AIM-315E Long Spear Long Range Theatre Air-to-Air Missile
($1500000000000)

These are some of the finest weapons we have seen from any producer. They meet all our expectations and propelled your company as the Number 1 missile producer for the Space Union Military and a competitor to SUNACS in aerospace products. All this comes at a grand price of $8.2315 trillion. We hope that you can produce this order as we understand it is a huge one. We thank you again for your great missiles and aircrafts, and expect another visit from us soon. Thank You. We will always remember how OMASC helped us in our time of need.

Signed,
Chief-of-Military Manjit Kaur

EDIT: Added price for Long Spear.

Omz222

23-10-2005, 02:50

OOC: Hmm... Don't you think 18,750 interceptors is way, way too much? Even for me as a 5 billion nation, I only have around 16,000 total in my air force.

EDIT - Long Spear unit price - $1.5 million.

Space Union

23-10-2005, 02:55

OOC: Hmm... Don't you think 18,750 interceptors is way, way too much? Even for me as a 5 billion nation, I only have around 16,000 total in my air force.

EDIT - Long Spear unit price - $1.5 million.

Only 1/4 of those will go to active duty, the rest will either go in Reserve Duty (will be placed in storage until needed or called upon) or in replacement duty (meaning for backup if we lose fighters and will stay in storage basically until needed). I would be crazy trying to keep 18,750 fighters running all the time.

Omz222

23-10-2005, 03:00

Only 1/4 of those will go to active duty, the rest will either go in Reserve Duty (will be placed in storage until needed or called upon) or in replacement duty (meaning for backup if we lose fighters and will stay in storage basically until needed). I would be crazy trying to keep 18,750 fighters running all the time.
OOC: My primary concern is that it would take a lot of expenses to fund, maintain, and keep the aircraft in ready condition especially for a smaller nation. I'm more concerned with the fact that you might be bankrupting as a result of the expansion of your air force (:p). Nevertheless, I just want to make sure.

The total cost will be $6.32565 trillion dollars, but the primary problem will still be the delivery time. Assuming standard production rates, it would take around 20 years to fulfill the orders for the F-125G, and around 40 years for the Long Spear (assuming, still, that you haven't ordered the rest of the munitions). I'd seriously suggest scaling down the purchase, especially the AAMs and some of the more expensive cruise missiles and anti-ship missiles, as current production for both Omzian orders and your (Space Union) previous order are still commercing. Really though, I don't see why you would need /that/ many missiles, even when fighting a war.

Omz222

23-10-2005, 03:05

OOC: Not meaning to spam my own thread, but SU, I am considering selling you the production licenses for some of the systems if you want. Both teh Long Spear and the Little Dagger will go for $30 billion dollars, and if you want, the Meteor-B and the Buzz Dart will go for $38 billion, making it a collective total of $78 billion dollars.

Space Union

23-10-2005, 03:14

Adejaani

23-10-2005, 03:18

OOC: Thank you, Omz. :D I'll probably get the Blackhawk/Chinook/Halo replacement done before I clock off tonight.

That reminds me... Any news on the Missile Drone/UAV competition?:p

Omz222

23-10-2005, 03:20

OOC: Alright I'm willing to curb my order down to only the new missiles. I won't be ordering any missiles that I ordered before. But I would be interested in the production rights if you willing to sell them. Thank You.
OOC: I am. That's why I presented the offr to you :p

As for the orders - feel free, and don't feel curbed down by a burden of restrictions. However though, I still must apologize for the fact that an order consisting of /that/ many missiles would be somewhat rather of a burden for OMASC, given the current production of these missiles for your previous order as well. Then again, however - feel free to make orders. We are a business anyways.

Omz222

23-10-2005, 03:21

That reminds me... Any news on the Missile Drone/UAV competition?:p
OOC: Haven't got much done on it I must admit, so my apologies for delaying the competition... I'll try to have some extras about it up sooner or later, though this is probably the last chance I'll ever have this much time on NS.

Adejaani

23-10-2005, 03:23

OOC: Omz, my boy, don't sweat it. I was just restraining myself from posting the next IC development post(s). :p

Omz222

23-10-2005, 03:24

OOC: Omz, my boy, don't sweat it. I was just restraining myself from posting the next IC development post(s). :p
OOC: Feel free to post them. You have zero opposition from me.

Scandavian States

25-10-2005, 03:47

[Omz, would it be possible to convert the RF-125D to a carrier operable aircraft?]

Omz222

25-10-2005, 04:11

[Omz, would it be possible to convert the RF-125D to a carrier operable aircraft?]
OOC: Wouldn't be impossible; however, the resultant, considering its size, would be impractical for carriage on all carriers but the ultra-large ones, where each carrier-capable RF-125 would take the place of between 1 2/3 to 2 standard carrier aircraft.

Scandavian States

25-10-2005, 04:23

[Hmm, I do use the Morrigan (Ocean) class CVN and the Macha (George Washington) class is Nimitz-size. Think it would be possible to cook up a naval interceptor that had multi-role and recon variants as well? Something that wouldn't take up such extra space?]

Omz222

25-10-2005, 04:54

OOC: Actually, that idea had been cooking in my head for a looonnnggg time, but as of time restraints recently it will take much more time than usual (aka the last 2 weeks) to produce it. I'll see what I can do - a shortened version of the F-125G based on carriers however, is certainly possible.

Scandavian States

26-10-2005, 21:22

[Hey, where can I find the stats for this 1,000mm torpedo of yours?]

Omz222

26-10-2005, 23:45

[Hey, where can I find the stats for this 1,000mm torpedo of yours?]

Still not available technically (but nevertheless much more available than the bigger ones), but available to close allies upon request.

38 Inch (965.2mm) Torpedoes
Type 250 38" Supercavitating Torpedo
Weight: 19,200kg
Length: 13.2m
Range: 32km at 300 knots
Warhead: 3500kg HE
Guidance: Inertial
Propulsion: Aluminum-burning "water ramjet" system

Type 251 38" Conventional Torpedo
Weight: 19,500kg
Length: 13.5m
Range: 90km at 45 knots, 50km at 55 knots, 30km at 70 knots
Warhead: 3200kg HE
Guidance: Inertial with wire guidance; active/passive sonar and blue-green LADAR at terminal
Propulsion: Turbine-powered pumpjet system

Omz222

28-10-2005, 00:00

OOC: I am a lot more busier recently, but I have spared enough time to introduce another sibling of the Tigersword family. The carrier variant of the F-125 is, of course, put on consideration; on the other hand, seeing the work that I will get in the forseenable future IRL, and having additional NS munition projects to work on (for prospective customers), it will have to wait. Apologies. /OOC

AGM/RGM/UGM-324H Tigersword-H Maritime Heavy Attack Cruise Missile
Length: 14m (with rocket booster)
Wingspan: 3.6m
Diameter: 85cm (850mm)
Weight: 5860kg
Guidance: Inertial with GPS and datalink, imaging IR at terminal
Propulsion: 3D Thrust Vectoring Turbofan
Speed: Mach 0.85 cruise, Mach 0.93 terminal
Range: 1600km land attack, 650km ship attack
Warhead: 3200kg HE, 1500kg penetrator, 1080x CEB submunitions, 58x BAT
Carrier Platforms: VLS cells on ships
Countermeasures: LADAR and radar warning receivers; evasive maneuvering control; small radar jammer
Cost: $5 million (close allies only; no exceptions)
An enlargened version, this is designed to be the Meteor-H equivalent of the original Tigersword missile. Though this is still multifunctional and can be used to attack both land and sea targets, the missile is designed more for the role of maritime attack, as a lighter and smaller complement to the existing Meteor-H. Though the low speed does make it somewhat more vulnerable while giving the enemy a much higher reaction time, on the other hand it is relatively stealthy, making it relatively difficult to detect with a limited array of sensors when in its standard seaskimming flight profile. Though the terminal velocity is still subsonic, the gigantic explosive warhead is guarenteed to make a "gaping hole" in all but the heavily armoured battleships; on the other hand, its load of CEB and BAT submunitions (though Omzian practice also includes anti-personnel mines as well) will cause much havoc on heavy aircraft carriers. The missile is optimized for carriage on the Freethinker Mk.72 Strategic VLS, though it is also fully possible to have it carried in the CSJ Mk.127b as well.

Omz222

28-10-2005, 01:33

OMASC Unveils "F-Series" Rocket-Based Air Defence Systems
A new development originally in response to a request by the nation of Mekugi, the "F-series" air defence system is a highly versatile and flexible air defence system that is designed for a variety of different uses. Compromised of three different missiles sharing much commonality among each other as its centerpiece, the system incorporates multitudes of advanced technologyes and techniques, while perserving its reliability. Among the three missiles, the Flamedart is designed for extremely-long range air defence against aircraft and warheads of long range ballistic missiles, having its dedicated launcher. The Firedart long range SAM and the Foxdart multipurpose SAM however, are designed for many different air defence roles including the defence of both static and mobile assets against enemy aircraft, ballistic, and cruise missiles, while sharing a common launcher together (though the Foxdart can be mounted on a separate tracked self-propelled TEL design instead).

Though the three missiles are different in size, they all share a series of common characteristics. All three utilizes an advanced targeting system centerd around the track-via-missile scheme, with a terminal guidance package consisting of a LPI active radar and an imaging IR seeker. The former also has a home-on-jam capability, meaning that it can be fired against enemy aircraft utilizing radar jammers. In terms of propulsion, all three missiles have a highly versatile ducte rocket-ramjet engine (As in the Meteor AAM) with throttle control and 3D thrust vectoring nozzles, backed up with a gas-bazed flight maneuver control system, though the missile itself is at first cold-launched from its launcher and boosted by a rocket booster in order to reach sufficient speeds for the rocket-ramjet engine to function. The warheads are modular, and can either be a standard HE-fragmentation warhead against larger targets, or instead a flechette warhead against highly-maneuverable targets, the latter of which greatly increases the hit possibility when utilied.

The actual launchers and associated systems that accompanies these missiles are equally advanced. The Flamedart is normally mounted on the "Eaglenest" mobile TEL system, with two missiles per launcher. The Firedart and Foxdart on the other hand, can be mounted on the "Falconest" TEL, with each missile (or packs of four missile in the case of the Foxdart) stored in its own launch/storage container, that can be both installed into and removed from the actual launcher section of the TEL system, with relative ease. The Foxdart can also be, alternatively, mounted on the tracked and highly-mobile "Turtle" TEL, permitting deployment with field armies that are on the move. Alternatively, the Firedart can also be mounted on its own TEL, the much bigger "Vanguard", which is designed with the defence of static targets in mind.

Sensors for the launching systems vary; however, at the same time they still share much commonality. Both the Eaglenest and Falconest are organized in batteries of eight TELs, each with one "Citadel" Engagement Control Center. Acquisition, tracking, and targeting functions are provided by the "Blackwood" series LPI radar, which is designed to detect, track and engage a diverse spectrum of targets, including manned aircraft, cruise missiles, ballistic missile warheads, and hostile anti-radiation missiles. The "Greenwood" long range target acquisition and tracking radar can also be utilized to provide long range target detection and warning capabilities, though this is optional, with one such radar normally issued to two to three batteries. Finally, the fire control system of the "Citadel" also sports a datalink, which can communicate with other platforms, including bistatic radars, ELINT sensors, IR and LADAR-based sensors, and even CELLDAR-type sensors. Though obviously such sensors cannot provide direct targeting for the missiles, the information transmitted from these sensors can be utilized to locate and track stealthy targets with a greater success.

In terms of deployment, the system is set to replace many different types of SAMs in the Omzian arsenal, while complementing the High Arrow SAM in the defence of static targets. The Firedart and Foxdart is also expected to enter the service of the Mekugi armed forces. The Flamedart, in Omzian service at least, will be used to defend fixed and static targets in Group Army and separate Air Defence Command Long Range Air Defence Regiments, against both high altitude bomber aircraft, large high-flying cruise missiles, and ballistic missiles (where the missile is designed to intercept warheads of MRBMs or IRBMs, though ICBM warheads can also be intercepted at a cost of a very low hit rate). The Firedart and the Foxdart on the other hand, when utilized with the standard Falconest launcher, will be the household air defence system of the Omzian Army, operating on the Corps level and in Air Defence Command Air Defence Regiments, defending both static targets and field ground forces against a wide range of threats, including cruise missiles and tactical aircraft. When deployed separately on its own launcher, the Foxdart would be used on the corps and divisional levels, providing limited air defence against attacking aircraft and cruise missiles.

MIM-506A Flamedart Ultra-Long Range SAM
Length: 9m with rocket booster
Diameter: 0.92m
Weight: 4900kg
Guidance: Inertial with Track-Via-Missile guidance, LPI active radar (with home-on-jam mode) and imaging IR at terminal
Propulsion: Ducted rocket-ramjet with throttle control and 3D TVC, gas-based nozzle flight maneuver system, and rocket booster
Speed: Mach 6.8
Range and Altitude: 560km (high altitude), 140,000ft aircraft, 180,000ft guided missile
Warhead: 280kg warhead (HE or 32x flechette-like darts)
Carriage: 2x per "Eaglenest" TELs (4x TEL per fire section / 8x TELs per battery)
Sensors and Control: "Blackwood-ER" multifunction LPI radar, "Greenwood-ER" long range target acquisition and tracking radar (optional), "Citadel" Engagement Control Centre; options for datalink to other platforms (including ELINT, bistatic radar, IR and LADAR sensors)
Cost: $10 million per missile; $500 million per battery set (close allies only, no exceptions)

MIM-506B Firedart Long Range SAM
Length: 7.6m with rocket booster
Diameter: 0.72m
Weight: 2500kg
Guidance: Inertial with Track-Via-Missile guidance, LPI active radar (with home-on-jam mode) and imaging IR at terminal
Propulsion: Ducted rocket-ramjet with throttle control and 3D TVC, gas-based nozzle flight maneuver system, and rocket booster
Speed: Mach 6.5
Range and Altitude: 430km (high altitude), 110,000ft aircraft, 140,000ft guided missile
Warhead: 160kg warhead (HE or 18x flechette-like darts)
Carriage: 4x per "Falconest" or custom TELs (4x TEL per fire section / 8x TELs per battery); 6x per "Vanguard" TEL (for defence of fixed targets; 6x TELs per fire section)
Sensors and Control: "Blackwood" multifunction LPI radar, "Greenwood" long range target acquisition and tracking radar (optional), "Citadel" Engagement Control Centre; options for datalink to other platforms (including ELINT, bistatic radar, IR and LADAR sensors)
Cost: $8 million per missile; $450 million per battery set (close allies only, no exceptions)

MIM-506C Foxdart Medium Range and Missile Defence SAM
Length: 6.7m with rocket booster
Diameter: 0.28m
Weight: 560kg
Guidance: Inertial with Track-Via-Missile guidance, LPI active radar (with home-on-jam mode) and imaging IR at terminal
Propulsion: Ducted rocket-ramjet with throttle control and 3D TVC, gas-based nozzle flight maneuver system, and rocket booster
Speed: Mach 5.2
Range and Altitude: 150km, 60,000ft aircraft, 80,000ft guided missile
Warhead: 40kg warhead (HE or 5x flechette-like darts)
Carriage (Firedart Launch System): 16x per "Falconest" or custom TELs (4x missile per cell for 1x Firedart missile); 24x per "Vanguard" TEL
Carriage (Independent Launch System): 6x per "Turtle" tracked TEL (5x TEL per fire section / 10x TELs per battery)
Sensors and Control (Firedart Launch System): "Blackwood" multifunction LPI radar, "Greenwood" long range target acquisition and tracking radar (optional), "Citadel" Engagement Control Centre; options for datalink to other platforms (including ELINT, bistatic radar, IR and LADAR sensors)
Sensors and Control (Independent Launch System): "Fryray" self-propelled multifunction LPI radar, "Clamshell" self-propelled engagement control center
Cost: $3 million per missile; $350 million per independent battery set (close allies only, no exceptions)

Omz222

28-10-2005, 02:23

OOC: Alright, as with the SAM I've decided to also finish this off. This concludes the updates. As for the range of the Buzzsaw, I know that it might be a bit over the edge for a first glance, but from what I can gather a mod of the HARM with a rocket-ramjet can also achieve ranges well beyond of around 180km. /OOC

AGM-326B/C Buzzsaw Air-Launched Air Defence Suppression Missile
Length: 6.52m
Diameter: 0.45m
Weight: 890kg
Guidance: Inertial with GPS, passive radar-homing seeker w/ home-on-jam with MMW radar and LADAR at terminal (B variant), or passive laser-homing seeker with MMW radar at terminal (C variant)
Propulsion: Ducted rocket-ramjet with throttle control and 3D TVC
Speed: Mach 4.6
Range: 350km at medium-high altitudes
Warhead: 100kg HE-Frag or flechette
Cost: $1 million (allies only)
An upgraded version, this is designed as a replacement for the NALSAR anti-radiation missile. Aside from the addition of a conglomeration of new technologies, the new variant is significant in that it is no longer an anti-radiation missile, but rather an air defence suppression missile capable of striking both radar and LADAR sensors. When compared to the NALSAR, it utilizes a lighter airframe with a more efficient ducted rocket-ramjet system (as demonstrated on modified HARMs), with maneuver control provided by 3D thrust vectoring nozzles, small maneuvering control nozzles mounted aft of the missile, and small fins. In terms of guidance, the B variant utilizes an advanced passive radar-homing seeker with additional home-on-jam capabilities against ground-based radar jammers, though the seeker also has the added capability to engage communication sites and GPS jammers as well, albeit with a lower success rate. Along with this, a MMW radar and LADAR guidance package is also provided, in case if the targeted radar is shut down. When coupled with the GPS system, this can also permit the precision targeting of specific vehicles alongside the targeted radar, such as control centers and the SAM launchers themselves. The LADAR variant on the other hand, utilizes a passive laser-homing seeker with the same MMW radar. Though a targeting pod - the "Bullfox" - is recommended, it is not required, as targeting information for the missile can be received through datalinks.

AGM-326D/E Buzzblade Air-Launched Anti-Radiation Missile
Length: 4.6m
Diameter: 0.32m
Weight: 480kg
Guidance: Inertial with GPS, passive radar-homing seeker w/ home-on-jam with MMW radar and LADAR at terminal (D variant), or passive laser-homing seeker with MMW radar at terminal (E variant)
Propulsion: Ducted rocket-ramjet with throttle control and 3d TVC
Speed: Mach 6
Range: 200km at medium-high altitudes
Warhead: 45kg HE-Frag or flechette
Cost: $0.7 million (allies only)
This is a smaller and faster version of the Buzzsaw for carriage on tactical aircraft; otherwise, it is pretty much the same missile.

Adejaani

04-11-2005, 10:39

OOC: My apologies for this having taken so long...

IC: AHD-4 Rabbit

The long awaited AGI product designed to replace the entire H-60 series (notably the UH-60 Blackhawk; and SH-60 Seahawk). The original requirement was for a similar size and performance product, but stealthy, capacity for around ten persons. In this regard, the AHD-4 Rabbit does that and a lot more, being superior in literally any measurable quantity to the H-60 series.

Due to the stealth requirement, it was decided very early on not to use a tail rotor, not even a ducted fan or shrouded version. This was to increase stealth characteristics, plus decrease the amount of 'moving parts' and maintenance. The solution to the torque was not unique, it had been pioneered before. The AHD-4 design uses two counter rotating rotors, one stacked atop the other much like the Soviet/Russian Ka-27 Helix.

Due to the removal of the tail per se, it was decided to extend the boxy fuselage, so the dimensions are much the same as the H-60 overall, increasing passenger capacity to twenty (20).

As part of the original requirements called for "fast rope" capabilities, AGI instituted a number of revolutionary hatches, so called "submarine hatches" due to their resemblance to the outer hull hatches on a submarine, complete with airtight seals. In addition, in the sides of the fuselage, there are a similar number of doors, much like the ones used in commercial airliners, plus one large ramp in the back. This was done to maintain stealth, plus give the AHD-4 a measure of sealed fuselage protection. However, customers can opt for conventional slide-doors to ease troop mobility in and out of the helicopter.

Despite all this "good news", there is partial bad news. The naval versions of the AHD-4, designed to replace the SH-60 Seahawk, has been somewhat troubled, ending up heavier than the Seahawk, making deployment aboard Arleigh Burke and Oliver Hazard Perry class escorts troublesome. As a consequence, the trademark Hardhat™ armor had to be thinned somewhat, but still makes deployment aboard escort type vessels a difficult proposition.

Specifications
Name: AHD-4 Rabbit
Type: Medium transport/utility helicopter; anti submarine warfare helicopter
Length: 20.2m
Height: 4.9m
Rotor diameter: 15m (four bladed rotor)
Power plant: Three AEHD-7
Range: 300 miles (approx)
Empty weight: 3 tons
Max takeoff weight: 7 tons
Crew: Three (Pilot/copilot/crew chief or mechanic)
Passengers: Twenty
Armaments: None
Versions:
AHD-4 (baseline) - Utility/multirole/VIP transport
ASHD-4 - Anti submarine warfare (ASW)

Unit cost per baseline AHD-4 is 20 million. Cost per ASHD-4 (ASW version) is 25 million due to more advanced systems.

Scandavian States

04-11-2005, 15:27

[Omz, Adejaani, I want production rights to every item in your most recent updates. SAMs, SEAD missiles, and helos; it's all good.]

Omz222

04-11-2005, 16:18

OOC: Including or excluding my most recent bomber, yet still not unveiled?

Scandavian States

04-11-2005, 16:26

[Excluding for the time being.]

The Silver Sky

04-11-2005, 22:26

Omz222

05-11-2005, 03:18

[OOC: Adejaani, do you think I'd be able to ge production rights to the AHD-4 Rabbit? And Omz222, could I get production rights to both the AGM-326B/C Buzzsaw and the AGM-326D/E Buzzblade?
OOC: The NALSAR entirely possible ($20 billion for the licenses), but not the Buzzsaw and Buzzblade for the time being - sorry about that, since it's a matter of trading relationships. Or rather, I could sell them under a royalty-based license, but I'm not sure whether it'll be cost-effective when compared to the NALSAR. Up to you :)

Also, what would be the best plane(s) you have that is capable to CAS and SEAD that could carry both of those missiles?]
I'm not really sure what you are asking for since these are two completely different roles... But the F-109?

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SS: How about $300 billion for all the licenses, excluding the torpedoes? Or alternatively, $350 billion including the 38 inch torpedoes.

Adejaani

05-11-2005, 05:15

OOC: Scandavian; Silver Sky: Sure thing on the prod rights. As per the usual, if you gain any IC operational experience or fixes or make new models or develop new technologies for/with the design, I'd politely like to know about it so we both benefit. :)

And dammit... I should've called the AHD-4 the Drashig instead of the below having the name. Ah well...

IC: ARD-1 Drashig (formerly ASSD-1 programme) enters production

Formerly known as the ASSD-1 programme, the ARD-1 Drashig was developed as an unsolicited response to Scandavian States' requirement for a high speed unmanned intelligence gathering drone that was also stealthy. Although the ARD-1 programme subsequently became a full sized UAV, the requirements have been met.

As had been noted in previous declassified reports, the ARD-1 is a development of the old AFD-7 Starfury (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=7382475&postcount=710), which is a stealthy multi-thrust-vectoring aircraft. This not only saved development costs, but also utilised the full suite of self defense measures, both passive (ie structural stealth) and also active (chaff/flares/jamming etc). In addition, the ARD-1 can carry two (2) AIM-9 Sidewinder or AIM-88 HARM missiles for self defense in addition to its modular loadout.

Because it is a multi-thrust vectoring aircraft, it can roll without any use of flaps or other moving surfaces, which gives it exceptional maneuverability. One particular operational factor which has come up has been its mission capabilities. Because it is an aircraft without a pilot, the ARD-1 is capable of operating for three full missions before a "shop floor" maintenance is required. Due to the advanced data links and full VTOL capability, the ARD-1 can land in VTOL in a small clearing, get fuel from a truck and redeploy, thus minimising impact on operations.

A significantly more advanced AI control software has been incorporated. While it does not allow full use of the multi thrust vectoring mode at this point, it is still quite a maneuverable aircraft. Later Block versions with more advanced flight control systems that will be developed later will incorporate them to reach full potential.

The payload bay is designed to be modular, though its large size has led to one AGI engineer noting "If it can be sized to be placed in a satellite, it can go in the ARD-1".

Specifications
Name: ARD-1 Drashig
Type: Unmanned Aerial Vehicle (UAV drone), reconnaisance
Length: 13.2m
Height: 3.6m
Wingspanp 21.8m
Power plant: Two AED-23 engines with 23,000 pounds thrust
[b]Range: 800 miles (approx)
Empty weight: 22 tons
Max takeoff weight: 28 tons
Crew: None
Armaments:
2x AIM-9X Sidewinder
2x AGM-88 HARM

Unit cost per ARD-1 is 30 million.

Scandavian States

05-11-2005, 05:24

[Well, I take pride in my torpedo designs, so I'll take the liscence without torpedoes. Question, does this cover all current and future products?]

Omz222

05-11-2005, 05:32

[Well, I take pride in my torpedo designs, so I'll take the liscence without torpedoes. Question, does this cover all current and future products?]
OOC: To clarify, this only covers the following:

AGM/RGM/UGM-321G Meteor-G Multiplatform Heavy Antiship Missile
RGM-355H Meteor-H Surface-Launched Ultraheavy Antiship Missile
RGM-356C Hailstorm-C Ultraheavy Hypersonic Attack Missile

AGM/RGM/UGM-324E Tigersword-E Multiplatform Multifunction Cruise Missile
AGM/RGM/UGM-324E Tigersword-F Light Multifunction Cruise Missile
AGM/RGM/UGM-324G Tigersword-G Multifunction Heavy Payload Cruise Missile
AGM/RGM/UGM-324H Tigersword-H Maritime Heavy Attack Cruise Missile

AGM-326B/C Buzzsaw Air-Launched Air Defence Suppression Missile
AGM-326D/E Buzzblade Air-Launched Anti-Radiation Missile

MIM-506A Flamedart Ultra-Long Range SAM
MIM-506B Firedart Long Range SAM
MIM-506C Foxdart Medium Range and Missile Defence SAM
'Blackwood' and 'Blackwood-ER' radar systems
'Greenwood' and 'Greenwood-ER' radar systems
'Fryray' Self-Propelled radar system
'Citadel' Engagement Control Center vehicle & systems
'Clamshell' Self-Propelled engagement control center
'Eaglenest' TEL vehicles
'Falconest' TEL vehicles
'Vanguard' TEL vehicles
'Turtle' TEL tracked vehicles

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And Adejaani, you might want to think of a price for the production rights of your aircraft if they will be sold :p

Adejaani

05-11-2005, 05:37

OOC: *Koff* If they turn their back on me, I know how the suckers get built and can mess them up. :p

OOCly and ICly, I really don't care... Which is why I put in the proviso "Any improvements, send me the details so I can improve it further." I'm like a good samaritan who designs these things for a living, OOCly and ICly. :p

Omz222

08-11-2005, 02:04

AIM-508 Starshield New Short Range Air-to-Air Missile
Length: 2.8m
Diameter: 0.155m
Finspan: 0.23m
Weight: 82kg
Guidance: Inertial with wide boresight, high-resolution dual waveband imaging infrared guidance with decoy recongition capabilities; proximity fuze or hit-to-kill
Propulsion: Solid fuel rocket
Speed: Mach 3.2 peak
Range: 200m minimum, 28-34km max
Warhead: 8kg blast-fragmentation
Cost: $250,000 unit, $350,000 sale price

The Starshield is a new next-generation short range air-to-air missile developed by OMASC, designed to replace the existing Air Snake missiles currently in service, that is intended to serve as the principle dogfighting short-range AAM currently in service of the Omzian Forces. An advanced guided rocket in essence, it distinguishes itself among other competitors in its compact size and light weight, allowing it to be carried on a variety of different platforms. The missile itself utilizes a light construction to achieve this feature, with about ten percent of the missile's weight occupied by an advanced blast-fragmentation warhead. Small fins permit a lower drag, while the missile mainly relies on gas nozzles as a mean of steerage, permitting ultramaneuveribility at high G levels. In terms of guidance, the Starshield's seeker vastly outperforms those of the already-advanced Air Snake, with an advanced cooled digital high-resolution imaging infrared seeker tied to an even more advanced computer system. This combination allows not only independent targeting at a long range, but also allows advanced target recognition and targeting capabilities, allowing the missile to even hit parts of the aircraft. Its computerized system allows a high decoy-distinguishing capability, making the missile far less vulnerable under the cunning of flares and electrochromic panel-based IR countermeasure systems (such as 'Flickering Skin' and 'Blurred Edges'). The missile has a high off-boresight capability with a rating of 'at least 105 degrees'.

The missile can be fired by any aerial platform capable of firing the Sidewinder, though its off-boresight and lock-after-launch capabilities can only be utilized by aircraft with the needed modifications.

AGM-512 Stararm New Short Range Anti-Radiation Missile
Length: 2.85m
Diameter: 0.155m
Finspan: 0.23m
Weight: 93kg
Guidance: Inertial with passive radar sensor
Propulsion: Solid fuel rocket
Speed: Mach 3.5 peak
Range: 200m minimum, 35-45km max
Warhead: 10kg blast-fragmentation
Cost: $280,000 unit, $360,000 sale price

Virtually identical to the Starshield, the Stararm is designed as the anti-radiation variant of the Starshield, to replace the venerable Snakearm short-range anti-radiation missile. A cheap, but nevertheless somewhat effective system, it is used to attack short-range radars, especially those of short-range air defence systems such as self-propelled anti-aircraft systems, a capability which its advanced passive radar seeker provides much help in. Its small signature allows relatively difficult detection by enemy radars, while its light weight allows it to be carried on helicopters and light aircraft.

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AGM/AIM-509 Starfall New Intermediate Range Dual Function Missile
Length: 3.75m
Diameter: 0.22m
Finspan: 0.4m
Weight: 238kg
Guidance: GPS-aided inertial with LPI radar and backup imaging infrared with two-way datalink; radar with lock-on-after-launch, home-on-jam, and home-on-emission capabilities
Propulsion: Ducted 'rocket-ramjet' engine with throttle control
Speed: Mach 4.7 peak
Range: 120-180km (depending on launch platform) air attack, 150-220km ground attack
Warhead: 30kg HE or five flechette-like darts
Cost: $850,000 unit, $1,000,000 sale

The Starfall is a new medium range missile that not only is slated to replace the NLRAAM, but is also intended to provide a never-heard before role for a 500lb class weapon system. An advanced rocket-ramjet propelled missile similar to the NLRAAM in its propulsion and physical construction, it utilizes fold-up aft-mounted control surfaces similar to those mounted on the R-77/A-12 to allow great maneuverability while permitting a low drag, while the 3D thrust vectoring nozzle of its engine further adds to its maneuverability. However, though heavy when compared to competitor missiles, its revolutionary feature lies in the fact that it can be used to attack both air and ground targets, a capability that was already envisioned immediately after the development of the NLRAAM, making it a truly multirole missile. This feature is made possible by an advanced and versatile guidance suite, constructed around an advanced LPI radar (with considerable anti-active radar cancellation capabilities in its own right) and an imaging IR seeker, tied up to an advanced computer system. Instead of putting a tri-mode or even a quad-mode seeker on the missile, this is done to promote greater multirole capabilities. In an attack against air targets, the LPI radar seeker is mostly utilized with its extensive ECCM capabilities in mind, while in an attack against ground targets the IR sensor would naturally be used. However, in both cases the other seeker would function as a backup for the aforementioned sensors, promoting greater resistance against countermeasures systems. Furthermore, the missile also possesses a two-way datalink that allows both the launching aircraft and even AWACS platforms to help in the missile's targeting, while the radar also has lock-on-after-launch, home-on-jam, and home-on-emission capabilities. The latter is used primarily against ground targets, making the Starfall an ad-hoc anti-radiation missile. These when combined, makes the Starfall not only a more powerful weapon to be used against manned aircraft, UAVs, and cruise missiles when compared to the NLRAAM, but also a more versatile and purposeful system as well.

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AIM-510 Starshell New Long Range Air-to-Air Missile
Length: 3.85m
Diameter: 0.4m
Finspan: 0.8m
Weight: 530kg
Guidance: Inertial with LPI radar with backup imaging infrared and EO with two-way datalink; radar with lock-on-after-launch, home-on-jam, and home-on-emission capabilities
Propulsion: Ducted 'rocket-ramjet' engine with throttle control
Speed: Mach 4.8 peak
Range: 230-280km depending on launching aircraft, against bomber or AWACS; 120-180km against maneuverable tactical aircraft
Warhead: 56kg HE or twelve flechette-like darts
Cost: $1,200,000 unit, $2,000,000 sale

AIM-511 Starburst New Extremely Long Range Air-to-Air Missile
Length: 6.5m
Diameter: 0.45m
Finspan: 0.9m
Weight: 860kg
Guidance: Inertial with LPI radar with backup imaging infrared and EO with two-way datalink; radar with lock-on-after-launch, home-on-jam, and home-on-emission capabilities
Propulsion: Ducted 'rocket-ramjet' engine with throttle control
Speed: Mach 4.5 peak
Range: 550km
Warhead: 72kg HE or eighteen flechette-like darts
Cost: $2,300,000 unit, $3,200,000 sale

Developed by OMASC and the Omzian Air Force's Rocket Laboratories, the Starshell and the Starburst are new long-range air-to-air missiles designed to replace the Spear and Long Spear, respectively. Among the two, the Starshell is intended to be used against both high-flying bombers and high-value aircraft (such as AWACS), or alternatively (though with less effectiveness, of course) maneuverable tactical aircraft, while the Starburst is intended to be used against both high-flying bombers and AWACS aircraft while being outside of the range of the escorting aircraft's weapons. Both missiles share a similar construction and design, and only differ largely in size. Their guidance package is an expanded version of those of the Starfall, with an additional EO system and an expanded two-way datalink. For these missiles, the home-on-jam and home-on-emission capabilities are particularly valuable as they also allow the direct targeting of airborne jamming aircraft, making them an integral component of an AWACS operator's daily worst dream.

The Silver Sky

08-11-2005, 02:09

OOC: Are those available to me? If so I'd like to buy production rights, if those aren't available I'd like to just place a (TBD) purchase for a number of missiles.

Omz222

08-11-2005, 02:11

OOC: Are those available to me? If so I'd like to buy production rights, if those aren't available I'd like to just place a (TBD) purchase for a number of missiles.
OOC: Some of these are particularly for sale only to allies, so production right would go for $250 billion for all five missiles.

The Silver Sky

08-11-2005, 02:15

The Silver Sky would like to purchase production rights to the 5 previous missiles, the stated price of $250 Billion will be wired on confirmation.

Thank you,
President Jason Horton Ganer

Omz222

08-11-2005, 02:17

OOC: Consider it confirmed, of course.

The Silver Sky

08-11-2005, 02:18

OOC: Consider it confirmed, of course.
OOC: Yeah I know, just wanted to be official, add an extra $50 million just for being a good guy. :)

Omz222

08-11-2005, 02:21

OOC: Part of a slight liberalization of policies. Aircraft will go under the same policy of production rights for 'tier one' allies only, but missile production rights will now be available for a variety of allies (with the exception of some, such as the High Arrow for obvious reasons).

Don't forget the 'Made by OMASC' label when one uses our weapons against disliked nations.

The Silver Sky

08-11-2005, 02:24

OOC: Ah, I see, and no I won't forget the 'Made by OMASC' when fighting against people who dislike you. :p

Gotta give credit where credit is due. :)

Omz222

08-11-2005, 02:25

OOC: Ah, I see, and no I won't forget the 'Made by OMASC' when fighting against people who dislike you. :p
Not that type of meaning. We're going capitalist under the ever-lasting on-the-spot guidances as the fraternal workers of of our beloved Eternal President :p

The Silver Sky

08-11-2005, 02:28

Not that type of meaning. We're going capitalist under the ever-lasting on-the-spot guidances as the fraternal workers of of our beloved Eternal President :p
Ah, I see now, damn, capitalist....wait...I'm a capitalist! Damn me!!! :p

Ok, I'll stop spamming the thread now. :D

Omz222

08-11-2005, 05:41

OOC: And this concludes this series of updates. /OOC

BIM-516 Starlight New Intermediate Range Surface-to-Air Missile
Length: 3.4m without booster, 3.9m with rocket booster
Diameter: 0.22m
Finspan: 0.4m
Weight: 190kg without rocket booster
Guidance: Inertial with LPI radar and backup imaging infrared, with two-way datalink and home-on-jam capabilities
Propulsion: Rocket booster and ducted 'rocket-ramjet' engine with throttle control
Speed: Mach 4.5 peak
Range: 60km
Warhead: 35kg HE or five flechette-like darts
Carriage: MUTM-MAD (Multipurpose Utility/Transportation Module-Medium AD) with 6 missiles; naval VLS (4 round per Mk.41 cell)
Cost: $800,000 unit, $1,000,000 sale

The BIM-516 Starlight is a new medium range surface-to-air missile, based on the Starfall design, that is designed to complement existing Foxdart missiles in the Omzian arsenal while being deployed in great quantities elsewhere in the Omzian Forces. Much of the construction and design is the same; however, the missile has been shortened to accommodate a new rocket booster. The guidance also has been updated - though the missile can use its own seeker as a mean of target detection and tracking, it can also have a two-way datalink with a ground-based radar if the launching vehicles are operating as a group.
The missile can be launched either from ships or the MUTM-MAD vehicle. The MUTM-MAD vehicle is a development of the existing MUTM utility vehicle, and is expanded in size to allow the accommodation of six missiles. Normally, eight of these vehicles function together as a battery, sharing a 'Flamebird' target acquisition/tracking radar for the purpose of medium-range target detection and engagement.

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ASM-517 Nebula Large Air-Launched Anti-Satellite/Ballistic Missile Defence System
Length: 6.5m
Diameter: 0.58m
Weight: 1620kg
Payload: 1x KEBLOSE-AI or 1x KEBLOSE-FRAG
Guidance: Inertial (missile); dual-mode IR and LADAR (KEBLOSE-AL)
Propulsion: Solid detachable rocket booster with solid fuel rocket sustainer
Speed: Mach 20+ at terminal
Ceiling: +900km
Carriage: F-125G/H (2x on external hardpoints)
Cost: $1.5 million unit, $3 million sale (sale restricted to owners of the F-125G/H; production rights generally not available)

ASM-518 Nova Air-Launched Anti-Satellite/Ballistic Missile Defence System
Length: 4.45m
Diameter: 0.58m
Weight: 1010kg
Payload: 1x KEBLOSE-AI or 1x KEBLOSE-FRAG
Guidance: Inertial (missile); dual-mode IR and LADAR (KEBLOSE-AL)
Propulsion: Solid detachable rocket booster with solid fuel rocket sustainer
Speed: Mach 20+ at terminal
Ceiling: +600km
Carriage: F-125G/H (2x on external hardpoints, 2x in internal bay)
Cost: $1.2 million unit, $2.5 million sale (sale restricted to owners of the F-125G/H; production rights generally not available)

The Nebula and the Nova are parts of a new series of multipurpose anti-satellite and ballistic missile defence munitions currently developed by OMASC in conjunction with the Omzian Navy and Air Force, designed to fulfill both roles to replace existing 'ASAT' designs in the anti-satellite role while complementing ground and space-based kinetic interceptors in boost-phase and midcourse defence against intercontinental ballistic missiles. Powered by two stages of solid-fueled rockets, the Nebula is designed to be carried in small quantities in anti-satellite roles in addition to engaging ballistic missiles at the mid-course phase, while the Nova is a smaller design for engaging ballistic missiles in the terminal stages of boost phase, in addition to possessing limited capabilities against certain low-orbit satellites.
As one can see, both missiles currently can only be deployed by the F-125G/H series of interceptors, aircraft which already had an envisioned role of engaging in anti-satellite and anti-ballistic missile defence. Two of the Nebula missiles can be carried externally, while a total of four of the Nova missiles can be carried both internally and externally. Normally, when an alert comes to warn a ballistic missile attack, masses of interceptors equipped with these missiles would be mobilized in specific air defence sectors, with preloaded navigation data but without precise targeting data. After these aircraft take off with the missiles, additional targeting data would be fed in coordination with space and ground-based assets, and the aircraft would move into position at high altitudes. Or alternatively, if the interceptors are intended to shoot down satellites, targeting data would already be fed onto the interceptors on the ground, before the mission is to occur. After the aircraft is in position, it engages in a steep climb. Then, when the aircraft's computerized systems authorizes, the missile would be automatically "lofted" from the aircraft as it climbs and moves into the exact location (with precise split-second accuracy), and the rocket booster would ignite.
As the rocket booster ignites and boosts the missile into a high altitude, minor course corrections would be performed to ensure that the payload would be put into the right course to engage the satellite or the ballistic missile warhead, before being discarded during the climb. When the correct course and altitude it reached, the payload would separate from the missile. The missile can either carry a KEBLOSE-AI or alternatively a KEBLOSE-FRAG. Both are miniaturized versions of the original KEBLOSE, with a dual IR and LADAR guidance system and a gas nozzle-based maneuver system, allowing it to maneuver to reach its target while countering any maneuver that the target itself makes. The major difference however, is that the KEBLOSE-AI is a hit-to-destroy system while the KEBLOSE-FRAG releases a shower of steel balls when in close proximity of the target. Due to their different levels of damage and effectiveness, the KEBLOSE-AI is most frequently used against larger satellites, while the KEBLOSE-FRAG is used against ballistic missile warheads and smaller satellites.

Scandavian States

08-11-2005, 06:25

[I'd like production rights on the ASAT missiles please; the only missiles I have capable of such ops are surface-deployed.]

Omz222

08-11-2005, 06:35

A HUGE update of the OMASC front page - much better than before. Hope you all like it. I've also made use of two reseved posts that I've reserved two years ago for reasons unknown to me, but thank goodness that I made the decision (so as not to cram all the stuff into a single post).

In the meanwhile, I'm exhausted, and will probably not make a new product in a few weeks.

Omz222

08-11-2005, 06:37

[I'd like production rights on the ASAT missiles please; the only missiles I have capable of such ops are surface-deployed.]
OOC: As I said, the production rights are generally not available, but how does $100 bil sound?

Scandavian States

08-11-2005, 06:38

[Sounds great.]

Omz222

08-11-2005, 06:39

OOC: We don't care about the ethics as to how you will use the weapons, but results for these systems would be good.

Scandavian States

08-11-2005, 06:41

[Not a problem, any notes I get from my current war will be passed on to you. Rest assured they'll come with recommendations for impovements, if any are needed.

Oh, and by the way, I'd also like production rights on the new AAMs. Another $100 billion?]

Omz222

08-11-2005, 06:58

Oh, and by the way, I'd also like production rights on the new AAMs. Another $100 billion?]
OOC: Just the four AAMs? Hmm... $100 bil sounds fine.

Space Union

08-11-2005, 19:06

I'm too lazy to post an IC post so here:

Could we buy around 10,000 BIM-516 Starlight New Intermediate Range Surface-to-Air Missile if you have any room to fulfill our orders anymore. Yeah I know all those other orders are putting a cramp on your production lines, but your a corporation so money is good for you. Heheheheh

Thanks :) And you've made a lot of additions lately. Very nice product line ;)

Omz222

09-11-2005, 00:39

Adejaani

11-11-2005, 11:21

AGI SET TO LEAVE THE AVIATION INDUSTRY

Doctor Marianne Brooks, the Director of Industries and CEO of Adejaani Government Industries (AGI) has resigned in both positions amidst a chorus of angry cries to have her criminally indicted.

AGI has always prided itself on creating quality products. While not the best in the world, they would be worth the investment and value for money. Some had already questioned the wisdom of literally giving away free production rights (and thus billions in profit).

But in her last official memorandum, Doctor Brooks has effectively signalled the end of the entire Adejaani aerospace industry, as well as almost single handedly, at a stroke, rendered the entire Adejaani Regime Air Forces grounded.

All indigenous AGI products have been built with the Hardhat™ as the outer skin/armor layer. While the exact composition is classified, it has been revealed that the high ceramic content of the armor has essentially hardened with time, much as how ordinary plastics would harden and crumble. While not a problem in and of itself, older AGI products have significantly less flexing capabilities, which could ensure that minor structural cracks would become a significant problem, amplified through a super hard airframe.

The most serious incidence of this was when an older AFD-14 made a hard carrier landing and a previously undocumented structural crack in the lower fuselage caused the entire aircraft to literally break in half. Fortunately, the aircraft was carrying no ordnance and was low on fuel, though the pilot, crew and flight deck personnel suffered burns and cuts. Other less dramatic incidents have been reported on older airframes.

Helicopters have also been affected by this armor hardening issue. Most helicopter airframes are designed to crumple gently, absorbing the force of impact slowly. However, in a recent test using an older airframe, the hardened frame would not crumple at all, in fact bouncing and negating all the safety features in helicopters. In such simulations, the crew and passengers would have been turned into a literal bloody pulp, if they had survived at all.

The costs of developing a second generation Hardhat™ II armor, plus the daunting task of literally rebuilding thousands of aircraft in Adejaani service, plus hundreds more sold to export customers has put the final nail in AGI's coffin.

At present, most of the export aircraft are mission capable, though will need to be carefully monitored as they continue to age. However, it will mean these aircraft will need to be replaced very early, generally at about ten years of age.

All outstanding orders have been cancelled and customers reimbursed. AGI will no longer continue to provide spares or other technical support to customers.

Scandavian States

11-11-2005, 18:11

[What's the deal, Adejaani? Aren't you going to finish with the AHD-4 and compete in the drone contest?]

Omz222

11-11-2005, 19:38

...

...

Why!?

Omz222

11-11-2005, 21:01

OOC: Well, while I'm still awaiting for an answer from Adejaani (since this is of both a major concern ICly and OOCly, considering how long AGI and OMASC have been together - you are not leaving from NS, Adejaani, are you?)... /OOC

OMASC Introduces New Naval SAMs
RIM-506D Flamearrow Ultra-Long Range Naval SAM
Length: 11m with rocket booster
Diameter: 0.85m
Weight: 4800kg
Guidance: Inertial with active LPI radar (with home-on-jam and home-on-emission modes) and imaging IR at terminal, possible datalink with AWACS or ship-based combat engagement system
Propulsion: Rocket booster with ducted rocket-ramjet with throttle control and 3D TVC, gas-based nozzle flight maneuver system
Speed: Mach 5.8
Range and Altitude: 600km (high altitude), 130,000ft aircraft, 180,000ft guided missile
Warhead: 200kg warhead (HE or 36x flechette-like darts)
Carriage: 2x in CSJ Mk.127b VLS, 1x in FDI Mk.72 Strategic
Sale Cost: $10 million per missile (customers with CSJ and/or FDI made vessels only)
The Flamearrow is a new ultra-long range surface-to-air missile system that is designed to take advantage of the space offered in today's multiple-round VLS systems. Designed to complement the Firearrow, it is in a whole new class of its own, and is designed to intercept a variety of targets, including high-flying bomber aircraft, long-range cruise missiles, nd even ballistic missiles. Due to its huge size, its capabilities against maneuverable tactical aircraft is limited when compared to the Firearrow and Foxarrow. However, this combined with a flexible guidance system, allows the missile to give any naval fleet a long-distance punch against air strikes.
Due to its intended use on both CSJ and FDI vessels in Omzian Navy service, the missile is compatible with any ship equipped with slightly modified versions (in the form of software) of the CSJ STRATUS or CIRRUS Mk.3A combat management systems, or alternatively, the FDI APAR-12 series of radars. However, in most cases, it will also be guided by airborne AWACS platforms or/and outerlying ships, so that its range of 600 kilometers can be fully utilized to its best ability.

RIM-506E Firearrow Intermediate Range Naval SAM
Length: 6.7m with rocket booster
Diameter: 0.62m
Weight: 1900kg
Guidance: Inertial with active LPI radar (with home-on-jam and home-on-emission modes) and imaging IR at terminal, possible datalink with AWACS or ship-based combat engagement system
Propulsion: Rocket booster with ducted rocket-ramjet with throttle control and 3D TVC, gas-based nozzle flight maneuver system
Speed: Mach 5.5
Range and Altitude: 420km (high altitude), 120,000ft aircraft, 150,000ft guided missile
Warhead: 120kg warhead (HE or 24x flechette-like darts)
Carriage: 3x in CSJ Mk.127b, 8x in FDI Mk.72 Strategic, 2x in FDI Mk.72 Tactical
Sale Cost: $8 million per missile (customers with CSJ and/or FDI made vessels only)
A smaller variant based on the Firedart, this is intended as a replacement for the existing SM-2ER type missiles serving in the Omzian Navy. A large missile on its own, it is in many ways similar to the Flamearrow in its basic systems, but with a reduced range, a smaller warhead, and a lower speed. When compared to the Flamearrow, though it requires the same combat engagement systems, it can be also used extensively against maneuverable tactical aircraft, and high-flying anti-ship missiles.

RIM-506F Foxarrow Medium Range and Missile Defence Naval SAM
Length: 5.8m with rocket booster
Diameter: 0.4m
Weight: 800kg
Guidance: Inertial with active LPI radar (with home-on-jam and home-on-emission modes) and imaging IR at terminal, possible datalink with AWACS or ship-based combat engagement system
Propulsion: Rocket booster with ducted rocket-ramjet with throttle control and 3D TVC, gas-based nozzle flight maneuver system
Speed: Mach 5
Range and Altitude: 250km, 75,000ft aircraft, 100,000ft guided missile
Warhead: 58kg warhead (HE or 8x flechette-like darts)
Carriage: 16x in CSJ Mk.127b, 18x in FDI Mk.72 Strategic, 4x in FDI Mk.72 Tactical
Sale Cost: $4 million per missile
A development of the Foxdart, this is intended to replace the existing SM-2MR type missiles in the Omzian Navy. Unlike the two above missiles, this does not require the aforementioned combat systems, though minor modifications to the sensors of the launching ship are still needed. This is designed to give it extensive capabilities against naval tactical aircraft, and a wide range of anti-ship missiles.

RIM-517B Sea Nebula Long Range ABM/Anti-Satellite Surface-Launched Missile
Length: 6.7m with rocket booster
Diameter: 0.87m
Weight: 3800kg
Guidance: Inertial (missile), dual-mode IR or LADAR (KEBLOSE-AL or KEBLOSE-FRAG)
Propulsion: Rocket booster and sustainer
Speed: Mach 9+
Range and Altitude: 500km, 1,250,000ft altitude (381km)
Warhead: 1x KEBLOSE-AL or KEBLOSE-FRAG
Carriage: 3x in CSJ Mk.127b VLS, 2x in FDI Mk.72 Strategic
Sale Cost: $10 million per missile (customers with CSJ and/or FDI made vessels only)
The Sea Nebula is a vastly redesigned version of the air-launched Nebula that is designed to replace the current SM-3 tyoe missiles in teh Omzian Navy. Like its air-launched counterpart, it shares a number of similar systems; however, its rocket propulsion systems and the missile itself has been drastically enlargened to allow the direct engagement of ballistic missiles and even certain low-orbiting satellites from surface ships. It does however, require modifications of existing combat management systems and radars, in order to allow the missile to be used to its full potential.

The Silver Sky

11-11-2005, 21:12

Omz222

11-11-2005, 21:16

The Silver Sky would like to purchase production rights to the:
RIM-506D Flamearrow Ultra-Long Range Naval SAM
RIM-506E Firearrow Intermediate Range Naval SAM
RIM-506F Foxarrow Medium Range and Missile Defence Naval SAM

Please name your price.
OOC: Just a note, the two former are really for customers with vessels produced by the two aforementioned nations/contractors only, and this is especially true with the Flamearrow where the long-range engagement capability requires the systems. However, if you want, I can provide the Firearrow and Foxarrow for $80 billion for the missiles, and an additional $2 billion if you want to convert all of your vessels' systems (with whatever air engagement systems you have, i.e. AEGIS) to fire the Firearrow. The conversion will be of course, done by OMASC.

The Silver Sky

11-11-2005, 21:22

OOC: Consider it done

IC:

The cost of $82 billion will be wired right away.

Omz222

11-11-2005, 21:27

IC:

The cost of $82 billion will be wired right away.
After much progression in terms of the negotiations for the licenses, OMASC is willing to proudly announce that the current proposal has been approved. Technical documentations for the Foxarrow and Firearrow will be dispatched immediately both electronically and through aircraft, while engineers, advisors, and other personnel are already sent to assist with the production and employment of these missiles. As well, a separate team of technicans are sent to assess the air defence sensor systems currently employed on Silver Sky vessels and the VLS systems of these vessels, so that both software and hardware changes could be made to the sensors to give them the capability to operate the Firearrow.

Omz222

12-11-2005, 00:24

BGM-503B Arquebus II Long Range Cruise Missile
Length: 14.2m including booster
Diameter: 1.3m
Weight: 12,100kg
Guidance: Inertial with GPS, imaging IR and LADAR at terminal
Propulsion: Pulse detonation, with rocket booster
Speed: Mach 4.5 cruise; Mach 5.4 at terminal;
Range: 4600km air launch, 3800km sea launch
Altitude: 85,000ft altitude
Warhead: 1600kg HE or 600kg penetrator
Carrying Capacity: B-101 (3 max), B-108 (6 max, 3 standard), B-110 (9 max, 6 normal)
Unit Cost: $6 million (close allies only; production rights available only to owners of Omzian bombers)

The BGM-503B Arquebus II missile is designed as the intended successor of the BGM-503A, conceived after the development of the Arquebus as an eventual replacement that can be launched outside of the engagement envelope of most SAMs by Omzian bombers. When compared to the original Arquebus, the missile is notably similar in size with a smaller warhead; however, extended fuel tanks and a larger fuel load, when combined with a more efficient PDE engine, allow the missile to achieve a drastically increased range of 4600km.

AGM-518A Triton Long Range Air-Launched Ballistic Missile
Length: 14.5m
Diameter: 1.4m
Weight: 12,900kg
Guidance: Inertial with GPS, active radar and imaging IR at terminal
Propulsion: Two stage solid rocket
Speed: Mach 12+ peak
Range: 5500km with M210B MaRV, 4500km with M192B MaIRV
Ceiling: 500km max
Warhead: 1x 1500kg M210 MaRV with HE warhead or 3x 500kg M192 MaIRV with HE warhead or 250 CEB submunitions
Accuracy: 10-20m CEP
Carrying Capacity: B-101 (3 max), B-108 (6 max, 3 standard), B-110 (9 max, 6 normal)
Unit Cost: $16 million (close allies only; production rights available only to owners of Omzian bombers; M192 MaIRV not available for export)

The Triton is a new Omzian air-launched ballistic missile devised during the development of the BGM-503B, and is designed to provide existing Omzian bombers with a way to overwhelm enemy air defences in conjunction with the usage of the Arquebus II. Constructed of light kevlar and composites with a two-stage solid rocket design borrowed from the RF-6 land-based MRBM, it is designed to be air-launched at a relatively high altitude by a range of Omzian bombers. The missile then enters a flight profile similar to that of medium-range ballistic missiles, equipped with a number of systems to fool ballistic missile defence systems, including balloon-based IR/radar decoys and a reflective skin to counter laser-based weapons. The missile's payload assembly is largely modular, meaning that it can be equipped with either a M210 MaRV or three M192 MaIRVs, both designs being conventional reentry vehicles bearing HE or submunition dispenser warheads borrowed from the RF-6/7 MRBM design. A highly advanced GPS guidance system, along with accurate terminal guidance systems and a gas-based maneuver system, allows the warheads to achieve a CEP of 'ten to twenty' meters.

Omz222

12-11-2005, 06:08

Triton Makes Stellar Success in Tests

Port Hagras (Omzian Forces News) - The Omzian Air Force and OMASC are expected to officially announce the initation of the deployment of the Triton missile, after a series of successful tests being done from Thunderhawk bombers of a GSAC squadron. Though in fifteen previous tests there was one minor flight problem that resulted in the diversion of the missile's course, the recent test was the longest in distance yet.

"The recent success in the test of the system has further eradicated any doubt we had about the Triton," Omzian Air Force Public Affairs Office Department Head, Colonel-General Hagras J. Kolens, said in the news conference about the test in relation to the eventual deployment of the missile. Though he had refused to release extra details on the test, it was believed that the test flight consisted of nine missiles launched from three bombers over international waters. All nine missiles, each equipped with three warheads, successfully hit their practice targets in the Sarbonsaz Testing Range near Logan Lake, after travelling over a distance of "mopre than four thousand kilometers."

It is expected that an order of 5500 missiles will be handed to the OMASC soon by the Omzian Air Force, and a bigger contract is to follow.

Omz222

12-11-2005, 07:55

OOC: And this concludes the series of updates. And yes, this will be the final one for the forseenable future, I can guarentee that. /OOC

AGM-519A Needlehole Kinetic Anti-Tank Missile
Length: 3.2m
Diameter: 20cm
Weight: 102kg
Range: 16km air launched (line-of-sight), 12km ground launched with UAV-based target-spotting, 10km direct line-of-sight
Speed: Mach 5.9
Propulsion: High energy solid fuel rocket
Platforms: Helicopters (two in place of one Hellfire or Skyneedle) and MUTM-KAT (Multipurpose Utility and Transportation Module - Kinetic Anti-Tank; 3x missile per vehicle)
Guidance: Inertial with datalink with launcher
Warhead: Tungsten or DU rod
Cost: $120,000
The Needlehole Kinetic ATGM is a new and heavier replacement for the LOSAT and equivalents in Omzian service, that is designed to complement existing Skyneedle missiles in the air-launch role while slowly taking the place of existing TOW-type missiles. Utilizing a lighter rocket motor assembly and an improved fuel quantity, as well as a denser rod assembly at the front of the missile, the Needlehole has a considerable increase in range, which can be further increased with the assistance of UAV-based targeting. Nevertheless, it is a direct line-of-sight weapon, fired by the MUTM-KAT vehicle. Each vehicle and EO systems to acquire targets, before the needed information is fed into the missile to prepare it for launch. After it is launched, the missile will travel along its predetermined course to hit where the target is predetermined to be; if the target makes evasive maneuvers, then a datalink with the launching platform will provide course corrections to the missile, which utilizes a "bending body" system for limited maneuver control. Despite this, the system only needs 6 seconds to travel across its full range.

AGM-519A COFARAT (COmpact FAst Reaction Anti-Tank) Kinetic Anti-Tank Missile
Length: 1.8m
Diameter: 16cm
Weight: 45kg
Range: 15km air launched, 8km ground launched
Speed: Mach 6.2
Propulsion: High energy solid fuel rocket
Platforms: Helicopters (one in place of one Hellfire or Skyneedle) and MUTM-KAT (Multipurpose Utility and Transportation Module - Kinetic Anti-Tank; 9x missile per vehicle)
Guidance: Inertial with datalink with launcher
Warhead: Tungsten or DU rod
Cost: $80,000
The COFARAT is the smaller cousin of the Needlehole, and is designed to complement the Needlehole while being employed on tanks and smaller armoured reconnaissance vehicles. Three can be carried in the place of one Needlehole on the MUTM-KAT, and the fire control system is completely compatible with the missile. The missile does however, have a salvo-fire capability, used to either engage multiple targets or engage a heavily-armoured target in a quick fashion. Penetration is somewhat decreased when compared to the Needlehole, but the missile itself is still said to penetrate "more than 1400mm of RHA", though the expected figure is much higher.

MIM-316B Slingshot II Short Range SAM
Length: 2.85m
Diameter: 16.2cm
Finspan: 35cm
Weight: 53kg
Range: 16km
Speed: Mach 4.2
Propulsion: Low smoke solid fuel rocket
Guidance: Command guidance with IR backup at terminal
Warhead: 15kg shaped charge
Cost: $280,000 (customers owning the Slingshot vehicle only)
The Slingshot II is a new missile to replace the existing Slingshot missile, intended for vehicles bearing the same original name. It has upgraded propulsion when compared to the missile, along with an improved warhead, that gives the missile extended ground attack capability as well against armoured targets.

MIFAVS (Miniature Integrated and Flexible Attack Vehicle System) Smart Submunition System
Length: 72cm
Wingspan: 86cm (unfolded)
Weight: 33kg
Propulsion: Small turbojet
Guidance: LADAR and imaging IR
Warhead: 5kg DAC (Dynamic Attack Component)
Production License: $2 billion (no resale in any form, domestic production only)
The MIFAVS is a new submunition that is designed as a replacement for the LOCAAS. Though its airframe is similar in its basic form to the LOCAAS, it is changed in various respects. When released, the MIFAVS, like many other 'smart' submunitions, would glide to a predetermined location, and either loiter in the area if the target is not immediately identified, or alternatively attack the target if it is identified immediately after the completion of the gliding. If loitering, the submunition would immediately activate its miniature turbojet engine to assist in the task, much like the LOCAAS. It would then utilize both of its LADAR and imaging IR seekers to search for targets, with limited networking between individual MIFAVS submunitions to ensure that they are not attacking the same targets. Once a target is identified, cross-references and checks will be made to identify the type of target (i.e. tank or soft-skinned vehicle) that is being tracked. After the system determines that it is suitable to attack, it will attack in either a direct profile (flying directly into the target) or a top-attack dive. This process is assisted by an advanced warhead known as DAC, which is based on the SFW's 'skeet' warhead design revolving around a copper disk attacked to an explosive charge. However, the warhead can be configured to either fire the disk directly as an explosively-formed projectile (EFP), or alternatively explode to create shrapnel that can be used against soft-targets, or a hard rod to be used against armoured targets. On the other hand, if a valid target is not found, then it will fly to a relatively higher altitude and self-destructs.

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