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never even begin to consider the thought that atheists might be right.

What's wrong with that? It's generally a good idea not to confuse the mind with paradoxical sophistry.

At the risk of damning my immortal soul I should point out that there are many paths to enlightenment, not just Christian.

Incorrect, see John 14: 6.

Buddha was never enlightened, he is but another ignorant and delusional atheist.

Actually, the Buddha didn't really make any statements here or there about the existence of deities. It could be that he wasn't an atheist at all (he would have been raised Hindu I suppose which would make him a polytheist, not an atheist).

Incorrect, see John 14: 6.

Sorry, I have no xtian bible handy. Could you quote it for me? I don't want to bother my father-in-law over so trivial a matter. Unless he happens to be watching this thread, in which case I hope he enjoys the show.

Sorry, I have no xtian bible handy. Could you quote it for me? I don't want to bother my father-in-law over so trivial a matter. Unless he happens to be watching this thread, in which case I hope he enjoys the show.

The truth is not a trivial matter. However: "Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me"

Sorry, I have no xtian bible handy. Could you quote it for me? I don't want to bother my father-in-law over so trivial a matter. Unless he happens to be watching this thread, in which case I hope he enjoys the show.

http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o30/marshall979/john14_6.jpg?t=1240699623

Its like getting to go straight to Go in Monopoly, :tongue:

Incorrect, see John 14: 6.
Incorrect, see reason.

This troll is amusing, but takes his crap right out of the rulebook. Using circular logic? Been done my friend, try something a wee bit more creative.

What's wrong with that? It's generally a good idea not to confuse the mind with paradoxical sophistry.
It's generally good not to wear an iron lampshade over your mind.

Actually, no. This is how the English language works as far as I'm aware. Since other gods have names other than "god" usually when someone talks about God, they are talking about the Christian God. I usually refer to the Christian God as "the Christian God" to remove any ambiguity, but most people don't do this and simply assume that by "God", everyone understands that they mean the Christian one.
Language has always changed. In the modern age it is only appropriate that this trend continues for the continued development of humanity in all aspects of our existence.

Incorrect, see reason.


No amount of 'reasoning' can contradict truth.


This troll is amusing, but takes his crap right out of the rulebook. Using circular logic? Been done my friend, try something a wee bit more creative.


I am not a troll, I do not care if showing you people the truth has been done.


It's generally good not to wear an iron lampshade over your mind.


That is true, but what relevance does this have to anything?

The truth is not a trivial matter. However: "Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me"

http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o30/marshall979/john14_6.jpg?t=1240699623

Its like getting to go straight to Go in Monopoly, :tongue:

Me, I think I really need the "get out of jail free" card.:p

Well, I've had my fun, and I shall not say a thing after this, but Yumvagoo, I know you feel that you have "seen the light" but answer me this. Why are you right? Why is your god fact while the Muslim, Jewish, or Hindu god(s) are fiction. There are Muslims, Jews, and Hindu's who are just as certain as you, and who believe just as surely as you that we are wrong. Why are they wrong?

Well, I've had my fun, and I shall not say a thing after this, but Yumvagoo, I know you feel that you have "seen the light" but answer me this. Why are you right? Why is your god fact while the Muslim, Jewish, or Hindu god(s) are fiction. There are Muslims, Jews, and Hindu's who are just as certain as you, and who believe just as surely as you that we are wrong. Why are they wrong?

I've already explained in previous posts, I am not obliged to repeat everything I say.

Please do not spam my thread. I would like to know peoples opinions. Specifically, I would like to know why non believers have chosen to be wrong.
no

because no theory of god makes any sense.

No amount of 'reasoning' can contradict truth.

I am not a troll, I do not care if showing you people the truth has been done.

That is true, but what relevance does this have to anything?
But absolute truth must be proven first, nay? If you are indeed not a troll, you'd accept that postulate and try and prove your hilarious claims to us rather than "playing god", trying to reveal your alleged profound superiority to us without bothering to, y'know, actually being logical in your argument.

And that's why your inability, or lack of desire, to continually examine your viewpoints is rather a detriment to your case. Perhaps you have not been exposed to evidence that would completely refute your case. Or perhaps some that would support it. Either way, your views are inherently out of date due to it, and cannot be taken as seriously as the views of someone who makes an honest effort to continue to seek out, or at least be open to, other points of view and more evidence.

It's not like it could hurt you. You only win by continually re-examining your case; it can only get stronger, or be revealed to be false and discarded in favor of a stronger one. Trust me. This one is a win-win. Probably the only one in the world.

But you are a troll. So I'm going to stop wasting my time. Got homework to do. Have fun, you guys. :)

Shortly after, Jesus said this according to John 14:21, "He who has My commandments and keeps them, it is he who loves Me. And he who loves Me will be loved by My Father, and I will love him and manifest Myself to him.”

It's living a life compatible with Jesus' teachings that guarantees eternal life. You don't even have to hear the name to do that. Living the life of a good person is enough.

Oh, and fuck Paul.

But absolute truth must be proven first, nay?

Atheists are not interested in proof, they will reject any evidence they see. The evidence is all around them, is that what you seek?

Atheists are not interested in proof, they will reject any evidence they see. The evidence is all around them, is that what you seek?

Present the evidence. Oh, and a 1600 year old book is not admissible without corroboration.

Continuing to rlmfao.Remember to breathe once and a while, because I think the hits are just gonna keep on coming.

Atheists are not interested in proof, they will reject any evidence they see. The evidence is all around them, is that what you seek?

The evidence around me only leads me to believe in functional pantheism, which I am fairly certain is incompatible with your imagining of a god-creature.

Present the evidence. Oh, and a 1600 year old book is not admissible without corroboration.

The evidence is all around you if you just look, look at the wonders of Gods creation. And it is not a 1600 year old book, it is the word of God. God cannot lie by definition, what he says is correct.

Atheists are not interested in proof, they will reject any evidence they see. The evidence is all around them, is that what you seek?

And yet do you not reject such evidence yourself?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_System

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Bang

The truth is not a trivial matter. However: "Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me"

Now your splitting it up into specific religions. Christ was just a criminal that was executed. Mohamad is not worthy of being a religious icon either. John Smith's story is just too nutty. (on and on)

God is real but has no partners. God is alone which is why he has no name.

And yet do you not reject such evidence yourself?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_System

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Bang

Again, I've been over this. It's not my job to make you read the thread.

Simple question, I don't think this has been discussed enough here yet.
*boggles*

Again, I've been over this. It's not my job to make you read the thread.

Ok, I know I said I wouldn't respond anymore, but YOU HAVEN'T COVERED ANY OF THAT OR ANY OF MY POINTS!!!!!!! You just can't give a logical answer

Atheists are not interested in proof, they will reject any evidence they see. The evidence is all around them, is that what you seek?
Way to ignore the rest of my post.

And apparently we haven't made the conclusion you have from your interestingly ambigious "evidence that is all around us". So we have this thing called Free and Intelligent Discourse. Which is designed to help spread the good knowledge around, and eliminate the bad pseudo-knowledge. It does a pretty good job when it's practiced correctly. So, please do prove this truth to us. We're much more open than your stereotype is; in fact, theists, more often than non-theists, will claim that they are immune to the forces of logic and protected from living under the responsibility of actually proving something to be true in an intelligent manner, which all rational people kind of are obliged to live under. ;)

The evidence is all around you if you just look, look at the wonders of Gods creation. And it is not a 1600 year old book, it is the word of God. God cannot lie by definition, what he says is correct.

Even you would have to admit that if it is the word of god, then it was transcribed by fallible humans, and thus is at best a second hand source.

Ok, I know I said I wouldn't respond anymore, but YOU HAVEN'T COVERED ANY OF THAT OR ANY OF MY POINTS!!!!!!! You just can't give a logical answer

Why should he start now. He's not given a logical answer to any refutation yet.

The evidence is all around you if you just look, look at the wonders of Gods creation. And it is not a 1600 year old book, it is the word of God. God cannot lie by definition, what he says is correct.
The best form of self-improvement is introspection (http://atheistdelusion.cf.huffingtonpost.com/).

Please try to be, as all of us should, a less arrogant and more open human being.

Way to ignore the rest of my post.

And apparently we haven't made the conclusion you have from your interestingly ambigious "evidence that is all around us". So we have this thing called Free and Intelligent Discourse. Which is designed to help spread the good knowledge around, and eliminate the bad pseudo-knowledge. It does a pretty good job when it's practiced correctly. So, please do prove this truth to us. We're much more open than your stereotype is; in fact, theists, more often than non-theists, will claim that they are immune to the forces of logic and protected from living under the dichotomy of actually proving something to be true, which all rational people kind of are obliged to live under. ;)

The only thing I can do is to ask you to examine the world. Ignore the liberal dogma, and look at the world completely impartially. You will see then the truth, I cannot articulate the evidence you require in simple literary form, your soul has been corrupted too much.

Even you would have to admit that if it is the word of god, then it was transcribed by fallible humans, and thus is at best a second hand source.

More to the point, the modern Bible was formed through politics. Gospels and other religious texts from numerous sources were gathered up sorted through to create a ducument that supported the power of the Church. Oh, there's truth in the Bible to be sure, but not all the Bible is true and not all truth is in the Bible.

Someone had to light the fuse to start the big bang.

Hmm, the Universe as a giant firecracker... I like! :hail:

The best form of self-improvement is introspection (http://atheistdelusion.cf.huffingtonpost.com/).

Please try to be, as all of us should, a less arrogant and more open human being.

That's fucking hilarious.

Having watched it all. I'm glad it was meant to be funny.

The only thing I can do is to ask you to examine the world. Ignore the liberal dogma, and look at the world completely impartially. You will see then the truth, I cannot articulate the evidence you require in simple literary form, your soul has been corrupted too much.
Bullshit. Stop telling me that I'm corrupt, and you're right, with no evidence provided. Rationality or GTFO.

If you cannot give a single reason, a single damn reason why your point of view is the correct one...

Then maybe it should be you who should be looking at the world more openly, too.

More to the point, the modern Bible was formed through politics. Gospels and other religious texts from numerous sources were gathered up sorted through to create a ducument that supported the power of the Church. Oh, there's truth in the Bible to be sure, but not all the Bible is true and not all truth is in the Bible.

I wonder how may people have actually noted the date on the King James bible. I believe it was 1603 when James re-wrote it. I could be wrong, but like I say, I don't have a copy handy.

More to the point, the modern Bible was formed through politics. Gospels and other religious texts from numerous sources were gathered up sorted through to create a ducument that supported the power of the Church. Oh, there's truth in the Bible to be sure, but not all the Bible is true and not all truth is in the Bible.

something that seems to elude our friend... sadly.

Bullshit. Stop telling me that I'm corrupt, and you're right, with no evidence provided. Rationality or GTFO.

If you cannot give a single reason, a single damn reason why your point of view is the correct one...


The Bible contains thousands of reasons. Observation of the world contains others, and finally, the posts I have made in this thread contain the rest.

something that seems to elude our friend... sadly.

Selective ignorance. I suspect this is a bored regular trolling us for laughs. If it is a n00b, then I hope everyone else is having as good a laugh at his expense as I am.

I wonder how may people have actually noted the date on the King James bible. I believe it was 1603 when James re-wrote it. I could be wrong, but like I say, I don't have a copy handy.

Jesus said that the Holy Spirit would come to everyone who has faith in Him and show them the truth. Speaking as someone who has faith in Christ, the Holy Spirit tell me that most Christians who take the Church and the Bible as absolute irrefutable truth because a bunch of people in silly robes and sillier hats most of whom are long dead say they are the only source of Truth on Earth are showing their faith in the Church, not Christ. Christ speaks to each of us and not through a mouthpiece with funky clothes and a penchant for kiddie diddling.

But you don't have to believe me, which is kind of the point I'm trying to make. ;)

Jesus said that the Holy Spirit would come to everyone who has faith in Him and show them the truth. Speaking as someone who has faith in Christ, the Holy Spirit tell me that most Christians who take the Church and the Bible as absolute irrefutable truth because a bunch of people in silly robes and sillier hats most of whom are long dead say they are the only source of Truth on Earth are showing their faith in the Church, not Christ. Christ speaks to each of us and not through a mouthpiece with funky clothes and a penchant for kiddie diddling.

But you don't have to believe me, which is kind of the point I'm trying to make. ;)

I understand and actually agree with you about being a Christian, or a follower of the church. Thats one of the reasons I make a distinction between xtians (followers of the church) and Christians (followers of Christ.). To bad Christians tend to get tarred with the brush intended for the xtians.

I understand and actually agree with you about being a Christian, or a follower of the church. Thats one of the reasons I make a distinction between xtians (followers of the church) and Christians (followers of Christ.). To bad Christians tend to get tarred with the brush intended for the xtians.

They have nobody to blame but themselves. You can be taught critical thinking, but you don't have to be taught it to learn it.

The Bible contains thousands of reasons. Observation of the world contains others, and finally, the posts I have made in this thread contain the rest.
The first is circular logic.

The second is completely ambigious.

The third is simply not there.

If I were you, I'd hope this isn't the best argument for Christianity and theism out there. Because it's pretty damn pathetic. Perhaps unfortunately for you, it's marginally better than most others I've heard.

not through a mouthpiece with funky clothes and a penchant for kiddie diddling.



And I thought you believed in me, :(

The first is circular logic.

The second is completely ambigious.

The third is simply not there.


So I see all you can offer is rhetoric, although I don't expect much else from a liberal atheist.

So, LG, what are your spiritual beliefs precisely, for someone who hasn't hung out here long enough to know? ;)

And I thought you believed in me, :(

You're the exception that proves the rule. :D

And I thought you believed in me, :(

Why must your posts always contain that silly face at the top. I ask you to desist immediately.

Why must your posts always contain that silly face at the top. I ask you to desist immediately.

for the most part so I can pick my posts out quickly...


but, I warn you, Im probably not going to comply, ;)

They have nobody to blame but themselves. You can be taught critical thinking, but you don't have to be taught it to learn it.

kinda hard to do when people put up threads bashing 'those darn Christians' and not 'those darned Xtians'.

So I see all you can offer is rhetoric, although I don't expect much else from a liberal atheist.
I see all you can offer are generalizations, offensive remarks, and a refusal to elaborate your points beyond mere recycled catchphrases, perhaps for fear of realizing that they might be no deeper than the one-liners they are.

I, for one, expected better from you. Self-improvement. That's what I'm all about. Try and prove your damn points, please? :p

kinda hard to do when people put up threads bashing 'those darn Christians' and not 'those darned Xtians'.

Wasnt the 'Xtians' just the short form of Christians anyway? The 'X' being like the Greek form I think, the root of X-mas...

for the most part so I can pick my posts out quickly...


but, I warn you, Im probably not going to comply, ;)

I just look for my av.

I, for one, expected better from you. Self-improvement. That's what I'm all about. Try and prove your damn points, please? :p

Which point have I made do I need to prove?

Wasnt the 'Xtians' just the short form of Christians anyway? The 'X' being like the Greek form I think, the root of X-mas...

See post 286 ;)

btw... I like that idea... mind if I adopt it? :tongue:

I just look for my av.

true, but I find that I can scroll through faster with it...plus its just something I do, and why change that? lol

So, LG, what are your spiritual beliefs precisely, for someone who hasn't hung out here long enough to know? ;)

I believe that Christ's life is a blueprint send by God to show a path to a joyous life and afterlife. I'm pretty unshakable in that belief. I also believe that within each person exists a capacity to find answers if they never stop questioning. I'm pretty unshakable on that too. Everything else I'm open-minded about and could probably have my mind changed by the right person/proof/events. I'm NOT afraid of being wrong because I'm a fallible human being and being infallible was never part of the deal. :)

kinda hard to do when people put up threads bashing 'those darn Christians' and not 'those darned Xtians'.

I mock those people just as thoroughly when I can. :)

kinda hard to do when people put up threads bashing 'those darn Christians' and not 'those darned Xtians'.

I just use xtian to denote the loud mouth hypocrites, so as not to disrespect those who actually try to emulate Christ. I also differentiate between Satanists and devil-worshippers. Imagine that.

See post 286 ;)

btw... I like that idea... mind if I adopt it? :tongue:

nah, Everyone should! Smileys on the posts for everyone! lol

I just use xtian to denote the loud mouth hypocrites, so as not to disrespect those who actually try to emulate Christ. I also differentiate between Satanists and devil-worshippers. Imagine that.

I do the same with the word Fundie. :tongue:

Well I'm back and I mysteriously forgot the beer and somehow wound up with a canopy for my pickup truck. How's the latest 'believe in God or die' thread going? The usual charlie foxtrot it winds up being?

I mock those people just as thoroughly when I can. :)

*bows*
mock away... I really like watching a Master of the Craft at work.

Well I'm back and I mysteriously forgot the beer and somehow wound up with a canopy for my pickup truck. How's the latest 'believe in God or die' thread going? The usual charlie foxtrot it winds up being?

Yep. :)

Well I'm back and I mysteriously forgot the beer and somehow wound up with a canopy for my pickup truck. How's the latest 'believe in God or die' thread going? The usual charlie foxtrot it winds up being?

What has happened so far is my attempt to enlighten stubborn atheists, by showing them the truth with compassion and understanding.

Well I'm back and I mysteriously forgot the beer and somehow wound up with a canopy for my pickup truck. How's the latest 'believe in God or die' thread going? The usual charlie foxtrot it winds up being?

in a way... it's good that you forgot the beer. never heard of anyone choking on a pickup truck canopy while reading this...

well...

anyway...

enjoy.

I believe that Christ's life is a blueprint send by God to show a path to a joyous life and afterlife. I'm pretty unshakable in that belief. I also believe that within each person exists a capacity to learn find answers if they never stop questioning. I'm pretty unshakable on that too. Everything else I'm open-minded about and could probably have my mind changed by the right person/proof/events. I'm NOT afraid of being wrong because I'm a fallible human being and being infallible was never part of the deal. :)
You're one of the most rational Christians I've met, then. But still, I must ask, do you question your "Unshakable" beliefs still, at least from time to time? Are you willing to?

Which point have I made do I need to prove?
The one with there being a god, and all. :p

More specifically, how:

That people with an incentive to lie wrote a hand-me-down book that says that something exists, proves that the something exists.
How the "wonders of nature", prove there's an invisible man watching us all.
Where the hell those clarifications supposedly are in your previous posts

I do the same with the word Fundie. :tongue:

Thats freaky: My wife just said the same thing.:eek2:

I don't like using the word fundie, as it is not specific enough. After all, you don't get much more fundamental than the Amish, and I have a lot of respect for them.

What has happened so far is my attempt to enlighten stubborn atheists, by showing them the truth with passion and understanding.
Those seldom go hand in hand.

What has happened so far is my attempt to enlighten stubborn atheists, by showing them the truth with compassion and understanding.

You aren't qualified.

What has happened so far is my attempt to enlighten stubborn atheists, by showing them the truth with compassion and understanding.

Did you give them damn dirty atheists overwhelming evidence of Gods existence, like a picture of the two of you at the beach? Or, or the one on the roller coaster that gets you with your arms up!

Those seldom go hand in hand.
Not according to these guys:
http://www.cartoonstock.com/lowres/csl2954l.jpg


and, really, are you going to tell them theyre wrong? :p

That people with an incentive to lie wrote a hand-me-down book that says that something exists, proves that the something exists.

I assume that you are requiring proof that the word of God is actually in fact the word of God (other than it being tautologically true). Here -

http://www.bibletruths.org/salvation/wordgod.html
http://uk.truveo.com/Proof-the-Biblescriptures-is-the-inspired-word-of/id/344777934


How the "wonders of nature", prove there's an invisible man watching us all.

http://www.geocities.com/athens/aegean/8830/mathproofcreat.html
http://www.allaboutcreation.org/proof-of-god.htm
http://www.intelligentdesignversusevolution.com/


Where the hell those clarifications supposedly are in your previous posts
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What are you referring to?

You're one of the most rational Christians I've met, then. But still, I must ask, do you question your "Unshakable" beliefs still, at least from time to time? Are you willing to?


Well, of course. One of my biggest questions is, "Was Jesus Christ a real person?" Another big one is, "Does it matter?"

Thats freaky: My wife just said the same thing.:eek2:

I don't like using the word fundie, as it is not specific enough. After all, you don't get much more fundamental than the Amish, and I have a lot of respect for them.

ah... but when I use 'fundie' I don't mean Fundamental(ists). For me, it's like taking all the bad qualities, and putting them into one person and taking out all of the good qualities. that's a fundie.

for example... Paster Phelps of the Westburp Batshit Acadamy is a Fundie.

What has happened so far is my attempt to enlighten stubborn atheists, by showing them the truth with compassion and understanding.

You aren't qualified.

Yumvagoo (great name btw. It really shows how serious you are); Here you would do well to listen to you betters.

ah... but when I use 'fundie' I don't mean Fundamental(ists). For me, it's like taking all the bad qualities, and putting them into one person and taking out all of the good qualities. that's a fundie.

for example... Paster Phelps of the Westburp Batshit Acadamy is a Fundie.

Good point, and it doesn't have to be limited to any one faith. A fundie is a fundie, regardless of what they worship. Still I will continue doing it my way.;)

What has happened so far is my attempt to enlighten stubborn atheists, by showing them the truth with compassion and understanding.

as I said in another thread...

arguing Religion on an Internet Forum is like peeing yourself while wearing black pants.

While you do get a nice warm feeling, no one really notices, It doesn't affect anyone else on the forum, and in the end, you end up feeling cold and clammy.

Good point, and it doesn't have to be limited to any one faith. A fundie is a fundie, regardless of what they worship. Still I will continue doing it my way.;)

oh, just to clarify. I never said to stop. I just like the clarification. :fluffle:

oh, just to clarify. I never said to stop. I just like the clarification. :fluffle:

I understand. My wife agrees with your definition of fundie btw. So do I for that matter.

This thread is hilarious, but the absolute truth (http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Church_of_God_the_Wholly_Incompetent) is even more hilarious. :p

Well, of course. One of my biggest questions is, "Was Jesus Christ a real person?" Another big one is, "Does it matter?"
Well of course. That particular fact, taken in the context of your beliefs, is rather irrelevant. But what about your belief in a god in the first place?

I assume that you are requiring proof that the word of God is actually in fact the word of God (other than it being tautologically true). Here -

http://www.bibletruths.org/salvation/wordgod.html
http://uk.truveo.com/Proof-the-Biblescriptures-is-the-inspired-word-of/id/344777934
http://www.geocities.com/athens/aegean/8830/mathproofcreat.html
http://www.allaboutcreation.org/proof-of-god.htm
http://www.intelligentdesignversusevolution.com/
What are you referring to?
Your claim that you had proven everything in previous posts.

Now we're getting somewhere. Anyone care to carry on for me?

Well of course. That particular fact, taken in the context of your beliefs, is rather irrelevant. But what about your belief in a god in the first place?

I suppose that depends on the level of belief we're talking about. I've experienced something in my life that felt like divine intervention, but I recognize anecdotal evidence when I see and feel it. From a physics standpoint, Consciousness could help to explain certain questions that I have a hard time with such as: When the Big Bang happened, where did the original ultradense particle of matter originate? Conservation of matter and energy would seem to suggest that you need matter to create energy and energy to create matter but how do you create one without the other? Then it occurred to me that I do it all the time in my imagination. If I can do it, perhaps something similar is the source of Divinity in our universe. So is God the source of answers or questions? I wonder sometimes.

Anyhoo, if in your question how would I react to empirical scientific evidence confirming or refuting the existence of God, that would depend on which one. If one of the versions of God that most organized Judeo-christian religions described turned out to be real, I'd be pretty disappointed. I think they greatly underestimate God. If I were to find out there isn't a God and never was one, I don't think that would dramatically change my life. I like my life. I suspect it would dramatically change everyone else's though simply for the fact that a lot of people couldn't function in society without somebody else's moral code.

I believe in invisible dwarfs. Do they count as gods?

NO!!! THEY ARE FICTITIOUS!!! YOU NEED TRUTH!!! READ THE BIBLE!!! There, I did it for you Yumvagoo.

I believe in invisible dwarfs. Do they count as gods?

Depends. Can they cook? Never worship a being that can't cook.

Depends. Can they cook? Never worship a being that can't cook.Can they brew beer is another good question? Or turn water into something alcoholic. Turn anything into something alcoholic really...

NO!!! THEY ARE FICTITIOUS!!! YOU NEED TRUTH!!! READ THE BIBLE!!! There, I did it for you Yumvagoo.

Although what you say is correct, I would have said it with out such anger in my heart.

Although what you say is correct, I would have said it with out such anger in my heart.

There was no anger in that, I was laughing, and I was mocking you. You seriously need to learn to read sarcasm

Although what you say is correct, I would have said it with out such anger in my heart.

You are completely immune to humor, sarcasm, irony and the ridiculous, aren't you? I guess you would have to be.

On the other hand, this could just be a gigantic joke on your part. Please tell me you're really Sgt, Hammurab Baldwin With a Goatee and Valentinasia's bastard.

Can they brew beer is another good question? Or turn water into something alcoholic. Turn anything into something alcoholic really...

An important skill for any divine being. *nod*

There was no anger in that, I was laughing, and I was mocking you. You seriously need to learn to read sarcasm

I understand that you were attempting to imitate me. I was just informing you that the interpretation was not accurate.

I understand that you were attempting to imitate me. I was just informing you that the interpretation was not accurate.

Are you kidding me, that was dead on

You are completely immune to humor, sarcasm, irony and the ridiculous, aren't you? I guess you would have to be.


Again, I understand he was attempting to ridicule me. I do enjoy humour, you should hear some of the wit to come out of the banter in my various Bible study seminars.

I would have read more of the Bible if it had been written like that.

Yesterday one of my kindergarten students asked me when Jesus is coming back, and if he's coming to Sacramento.

People really should be glad I'm not a school teacher, I would've had fun with this question. "Well Johnny, he was coming back, but you were a bad boy last night, and he decided to say fuck it and let us all burn. Thanks alot."

Tell 'em Jesus mows your lawn.

:D

Wow, you're either flexible or hung!


No wait wait, you said Flagellate, not Fellate. My mistake.

Hehe.

What is that phrase about not feeding trolls?

Yea, but it's fun to mess with them. Beside, when was the last time we got someone this entertaining?

Well I edited that because really God is his apparent name, so as a name it'd be capitalized irregardless of one's faith. I mean, I capitalize Jesus, Zeus, Allah, et al.

I just call the Abrahamic god, Yahweh. God is really more of a title than a name.

So, since the word of God is truth, do you believe this proof?

http://goatmilk.files.wordpress.com/2008/04/quran.jpg

Don't forget this.

http://www.gaychristian101.com/images/TorahScroll.jpg

It is quite unambiguously the word of God see -

Timothy 3:16: "All scripture is inspired by God."

So, if I write in my Book of Shadows that my BoS was inspired by Wooden or Freya, then that makes it true?

oh... I haven't laughed soo hard in ages... thanks! :D


btw... do you all remember where you were when the Earth shifted from Flat to Ball shaped?

I remember where I was, I almost fell off the damn Earth! :mad:

No, they are not out to do that. They just hate the love and compassion that Christians preach, so they want to undermine it.

Yea, the Xtians preach so much love and compassion, what with Prop 8, the bombing of abortion clinics, the brain washing experiences that Jesus Camps are, and God forbid someone actually has a different faith than yours, because his faith is of the Devil!

No true Christian would hold up such vile signs. Hate the sin, not the sinner.

I thought a True Christian was a person who accepted Jesus Christ as his personal Lord and Savior. If this is true, then how do you know that the Phelps family haven't done that?

Indeed. Praying to God is an effective alleviation, but it does not always work, if the demon has shielded the soul too tightly. I always suggest an exorcism, just to be sure.

Of course you gotta get the exorcism, I mean you already paid for the prayer, and the meditation, might as well spurge on the exorcism while you're at it.

I'm not sure what 'rlmfao' is, it sounds like a nasty cough. You may be sick, seek your local priest at once before it gets serious.

Or you could just see a doctor, one that has MD in his title. Just saying.

More to the point, the modern Bible was formed through politics. Gospels and other religious texts from numerous sources were gathered up sorted through to create a ducument that supported the power of the Church. Oh, there's truth in the Bible to be sure, but not all the Bible is true and not all truth is in the Bible.

Ok, I'm very sleep deprived right now, but could you explain that for me alittle bit more please.

How the Hell I'm not typing like a drunk monkey is beyond me.

Are you kidding me, that was dead on

You only think this because your mind is corrupted by lies espoused by liberal atheists.

Yes, yes I do Yumvagoo. :fluffle:

oh look most people dont believe in god ha ha ha :D I don't... the bible is bullshit ( to me not trying to discriminate or anything ), I am being raised catholic but I can't believe any thing it says , I try to force myself because I don't want to be an athethist . To me it seems sad to have no religion , what happens in the end if you have no religion ???? I searching for a new religon but cant find 1 I believe ( I'm not looking for suggestions ) So right know I'm an atheist

You only think this because your mind is corrupted by lies espoused by liberal atheists.

What about us moderate to conservative atheists?

So Yumvagoo,

I have a question for you. I believe in the deities Woden and Freya, a God and Goddess. I want you to prove to me that they aren't real, without using evidence that I could use on Yahweh or Jesus Christ divinity.

*gets popcorn*

How the Hell am I typing so well? I can barely see my computer screen.

Ok, I'm very sleep deprived right now, but could you explain that for me alittle bit more please.

How the Hell I'm not typing like a drunk monkey is beyond me.

Get some sleep. When you're relatively lucid, start here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Council_of_Nicaea

That was the first meeting of the "Who is a real Christian and who isn't?" club. There would be more in the next few centuries.

If a missionary ever calls to your door and go on wit der have u found god crap say

you lost him !!!!

you really should try nailing him to something

What about us moderate to conservative atheists?

Still wrong and refusing to see the truth.

What about us moderate to conservative atheists?

One of my friend is actually a Conservative Atheist. She's a member of the Republican Party and loves Ann Coulter.

She's a living contradiction....

What about us moderate to conservative atheists?

Yeah, our political orientation and our religious beliefs (or lack thereof) are two separate things

I have a question for you. I believe in the deities Woden and Freya, a God and Goddess. I want you to prove to me that they aren't real, without using evidence that I could use on Yahweh or Jesus Christ divinity.


They are not mentioned in the Bible.

How do you know the Bible is right?

How do you know the Bible is right?

Because the Bible told him it was.:D

How do you know the Bible is right?

I provided proof earlier in this thread.

*kicks Anti-Social Darwinism under the figurative table*
shut up, I want him to say it

They are not mentioned in the Bible.

Not by name no, but actually the Book of Genesis kinda gives away the whole dirty secret of the world of Gods.

Genesis 1:26

And God said, "Let Us make man in Our image, after Our likeness; and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth."

Genesis 3:5

5For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.

Genesis 3:22

22And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:

Genesis 4:16

16And Cain went out from the presence of the LORD, and dwelt in the land of Nod, on the east of Eden.

This kinda puts a dent in the whole omnipresent deal that Yahweh was suppose to have according to Jewish and Christian traditions. Either Yahweh is omnipresent and thus Cain couldn't have went out of his presence, or he isn't omnipresent, and he did go out of Yahweh's presence, which would give way to thoughts that Yahweh was a local deity.

Genesis 4:26

26And to Seth, to him also there was born a son; and he called his name Enos: then began men to call upon the name of the LORD.

Interesting question here, Cain and Seth were able to find wives, which either means A. Yahweh created Adam, Eve and the Garden of Eden for his own little experiment while other Gods were populating the rest of the earth. B. Adam and Eve were really busy and neglected to mention a few daughters and sons. C. Yahweh lied about Adam and Eve being the first.

So, either Yahweh isn't the one God, and there is a Pantheon of Gods and Goddess, which is mentioned as Elohim.

Wikipedia:

In some cases (e.g. Exodus 3:4, "... Elohim called unto him out of the midst of the bush ..."), it acts as a singular noun in Hebrew grammar (see next section), and is then generally understood to denote the single God of Israel. In other cases, Elohim acts as an ordinary plural of the word Eloah (אלוה), and refers to the polytheistic notion of multiple gods (for example, Exodus 20:3, "Thou shalt have no other gods before me.")

Link (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elohim)

Or Yahweh is the only God, and apparently is a liar about well the fruit killing Adam and Eve, Adam and Eve being the first male and female ever, and about him being the only God.

Or, for our atheist members, there is no God and we're just playing a game of "My God is better than your God".

I provided proof earlier in this thread.

Again, no you didn't. But for arguments sake, quote that or something

I provided proof earlier in this thread.

So you want poor Takaram to read through 24 pages of your random bullshit to find out that you're capable of self-delusion? :p

How do you know the Bible is right?

it was probably written by some guy 2000 years ago about a fictional character named jesus who had magical powers , like walking on water and then some person found it and spread the word around the world

and thats probably what actually happened :p

Not by name no

Exactly, that is all that is needed to be said. I have no interest in debating with your pseudo-theological extrapolations. I do not care to discuss whether Christianity is monotheistic right now.

So you want poor Takaram to read through 24 pages of your random bullshit to find out that you're capable of self-delusion? :p

Again, it is not my job to hold his hand and keep repeating what has already been addressed long ago.

it was probably written by some guy 2000 years ago about a fictional character named jesus who had magical powers , like walking on water and then some person found it and spread the word around the world

and thats probably what actually happened :p

Don't forget the opium -- lots and lots of opium :p

Exactly, that is all that is needed to be said. I have no interest in debating with your pseudo-theological extrapolations. I do not care to discuss whether Christianity is monotheistic right now.

Well I do. The Holy Trinity identifies three figures, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. In addition, you have hundreds of saints, angels, as well as the Virgin Mary, who is worshiped almost as much as God and Jesus the Christ

it was probably written by some guy 2000 years ago about a fictional character named jesus who had magical powers , like walking on water and then some person found it and spread the word around the world

and thats probably what actually happened :p

Actually, the Old Testament is an Anthology of early Middle Eastern myths put together over several centuries by several people who had control issues. The New Testament has various sources, written over the course of a couple of centuries by selected misogynists and then further pared down by the Council of Nicea to fit their agenda.

Well I do. The Holy Trinity identifies three figures, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. In addition, you have hundreds of saints, angels, as well as the Virgin Mary, who is worshiped almost as much as God and Jesus the Christ

What has two thumbs and doesn't give a poop?

How do you know the Bible is right?

Because the Bible told him it was.:D

Exactly. The Bible is the word of God. It says that in the Bible. ;)

I seriously wish we could make a rule that says no more f-ing God threads.

Same arguments from both sides. It'll never end.

I think all religion should be banned

Exactly, that is all that is needed to be said. I have no interest in debating with your pseudo-theological extrapolations. I do not care to discuss whether Christianity is monotheistic right now.

Nice, ignore anything that may contradict your views, even if it's by your own holy book.

I think all religion should be banned

amen

Well I do. The Holy Trinity identifies three figures, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. In addition, you have hundreds of saints, angels, as well as the Virgin Mary, who is worshiped almost as much as God and Jesus the Christ

And don't forget that many of the Saints are just hurriedly rewritten pagan dieties.

I think all religion should be banned

Typical of the establishment, you wish to ban and suppress the truth.

We are not the establishment

Nice, ignore anything that may contradict your views, even if it's by your own holy book.

It is off topic for one thing, this is a discussion about whether people see the truth or not. Not a semantic debate over whether the trinity is monotheistic or not.

What has two thumbs and doesn't give a poop?

Are you telling us that they're both stuck up your ...?

And that must mean that both your feet are firmly in your mouth.

What a picture.

I think all religion should be banned
I think all ORGANIZED religion should be banned.

We are not the establishment

I know, but I have been banned from using the particular phrase I was using previously. I await Kryozerkia's suggested alternative term.

It is off topic for one thing, this is a discussion about whether people see the truth or not. Not a semantic debate over whether the trinity is monotheistic or not.

This is all exactly on topic, and you just can't create a good enough argument for Christianity as a monotheism

Typical of the establishment, you wish to ban and suppress the truth.

eh noooo I just think it should be banned because it is the cause of wars and prejudice

for example Muslims commit suicide bombings in the name of allah

if religion didnt exist millions of Jews would have been spared the horrors of the holocaust

This is all exactly on topic, and you just can't create a good enough argument for Christianity as a monotheism

Sure you can! All you need to do is apply white-out to 98% of the bible and replace it with worthwhile stuff! :p

This is all exactly on topic, and you just can't create a good enough argument for Christianity as a monotheism

Hell, he can't create a good argument for Christianity.

(don't take this to mean that I haven't seen some decent arguments in favor of Christianity [though I still don't buy it]- just not from this guy.)

Sure you can! All you need to do is apply white-out to 98% of the bible and replace it with worthwhile stuff!

ok, that's true

Hell, he can't create a good argument for Christianity.

(don't take this to mean that I haven't seen some decent arguments in favor of Christianity [though I still don't buy it]- just not from this guy.)

also true

eh noooo I just think it should be banned because it is the cause of wars and prejudice

for example Muslims commit suicide bombings in the name of allah

if religion didnt exist millions of Jews would have been spared the horrors of the holocaust

Nah, the Nasties would have just found some other group to kill. Religion is an excuse, not a cause.

eh noooo I just think it should be banned because it is the cause of wars and prejudice


No, people kill people, it is not the truth that makes them hateful. Some people just distort the truth (if in the case of Christianity) in order to justify their atrocities. What you support is a horrific, draconian, fascist and Orwellian policy that bans people from seeking alternative views and finding the truth.

heres a thought if god existed why would he create other religions????

No, people kill people, it is not the truth that makes them hateful. Some people just distort the truth (if in the case of Christianity) in order to justify their atrocities. What you support is a horrific, draconian, fascist and Orwellian policy that bans people from seeking alternative views and finding the truth.

So, actually, if we want to get rid of hate and atrocities, we should get rid of people?

This is all exactly on topic, and you just can't create a good enough argument for Christianity as a monotheism

For goodness sake, it is accepted, even among the corrupted establishment, that Christianity is monotheistic:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monotheism#Christian_view

No, people kill people, it is not the truth that makes them hateful. Some people just distort the truth (if in the case of Christianity) in order to justify their atrocities. What you support is a horrific, draconian, fascist and Orwellian policy that bans people from seeking alternative views and finding the truth.

well I don't really care tbh , u have your own opinion , I have mine

I'm trying to convert you

heres a thought if god existed why would he create other religions????

Satan creates the other religions.

So, actually, if we want to get rid of hate and atrocities, we should get rid of people?

That is Gods plan eventually, this earth will soon perish.

No, people kill people, it is not the truth that makes them hateful. Some people just distort the truth (if in the case of Christianity) in order to justify their atrocities. What you support is a horrific, draconian, fascist and Orwellian policy that bans people from seeking alternative views and finding the truth.

But where is the truth? And don't pass this off as you've already argued it, you haven't. I read through this whole thread before I posted, and I did not see a single discussion regarding any religion other the Christianity after people were through asking what god you were speaking of. Hell, can you even explain why your denomination of Christianity is right and the other denominations are wrong?

No, people kill people, it is not the truth that makes them hateful. Some people just distort the truth (if in the case of Christianity) in order to justify their atrocities. What you support is a horrific, draconian, fascist and Orwellian policy that bans people from seeking alternative views and finding the truth.

Why yes! They torture people until they confess, put nonbelievers to the sword, and sometimes burn innocent people at the stake because of "evidence" from a well-bribed priest!

Oh wait, that's the christians who did that. My bad. :(

well I don't really care tbh , u have your own opinion , I have mine

I'm trying to convert you

Bold, mine. Don't. heh.

Satan creates the other religions.

By extension then. Since your version of deity created Satan ---- oooooo:eek:

I think all religion should be banned

I think banning all religions is every bit as offensive as banning some religions.

I know, but I have been banned from using the particular phrase I was using previously. I await Kryozerkia's suggested alternative term.

Being an atheist myself, I will not suggest an alternative for practical reasons. No need for use of inflammatory language. The argument should be able to stand on its own without the use of such language.

That is Gods plan eventually, this earth will soon perish.

Well, then, it's a good thing we're going to different places. I don't think I could stand the hilarity of being where you're going.:D

Well, then, it's a good thing we're going to different places. I don't think I could stand the hilarity of being where you're going.:D

But the look of surprise and horror on his face will be epic.

Nah, the Nasties would have just found some other group to kill. Religion is an excuse, not a cause.

true , they were just crazy !!! They might have started to kill people with a specific hair color

Being an atheist myself, I will not suggest an alternative for practical reasons. No need for use of inflammatory language. The argument should be able to stand on its own without the use of such language.

But many times I need to refer to a pervading group of atheistic and liberal group of people that have a heavy presence in the media, the sciences, and some governments. Otherwise my posts would be meaningless, how might I refer to them?

It is off topic for one thing, this is a discussion about whether people see the truth or not. Not a semantic debate over whether the trinity is monotheistic or not.

This actually IS on topic, we are talking about gods.

I think all ORGANIZED religion should be banned.

Yay for Wiccaism not being that organized! :D

heres a thought if god existed why would he create other religions????

It's a Mind fuck?

Satan creates the other religions.

and according to Christian teaching, Satan was an Archangel of Yahweh before he rebelled, and since Yahweh created everything, he created Satan.

So, what does that say about Yahweh?

Being an atheist myself, I will not suggest an alternative for practical reasons. No need for use of inflammatory language. The argument should be able to stand on its own without the use of such language.

See, even he agrees (about the 'liberal atheist' and 'the establishment' things, not the whole point of this thread, even though he apparently does) :D

Satan creates the other religions.
oh that might be it , good point

But where is the truth?

In the Bible.

But many times I need to refer to a pervading group of atheistic and liberal group of people that have a heavy presence in the media, the sciences, and some governments. Otherwise my posts would be meaningless, how might I refer to them?

How about "A group of people whose religious belief(s) I respectfully disagree with"?

But many times I need to refer to a pervading group of atheistic and liberal group of people that have a heavy presence in the media, the sciences, and some governments. Otherwise my posts would be meaningless, how might I refer to them?

'People'?

So, what does that say about Yahweh?

That he created even the angels with free will.

How about "A group of people whose religious belief(s) I respectfully disagree with"?

I do not respectfully disagree with them. I want to emphasise the fact also that they are wrong, not that I merely disagree with them.

'People'?

But if you refer to them as people, then you can't villainfy them! If you can't villainfy them, then you'll actually have to put some thought into your own belief system! :eek: The horror, THE HORROR!

'People'?

Not all people are like this.

GOD SAYS LOVE YOUR ENEMYS ...... SO WHY DOES HE SEND HIS TO HELL ???

god is a hypocrite

God creates people and allows them to damn themselves to eternity even though he already knew they wouldn't follow his path long before he created them. Actually, someone like me, who never really believed, well, I must have been created that way, why would he do that? For that matter, why bother going through this apparent farce we call life in the first place? Why didn't god just create those who he knew would follow his path directly in heaven and create everyone else directly in hell?

I do not respectfully disagree with them. I want to emphasise the fact also that they are wrong, not that I merely disagree with them.

How about 'critical thinkers'?

God creates people and allows them to damn themselves to eternity even though he already knew they wouldn't follow his path long before he created them. Actually, someone like me, who never really believed, well, I must have been created that way, why would he do that? For that matter, why bother going through this apparent farce we call life in the first place? Why didn't god just create those who he knew would follow his path directly in heaven and create everyone else directly in hell?

He didn't force you to make that decision. He created you with free will, you choose your own destiny.

god created man in his image

so why are so many people scum

GOD SAYS LOVE YOUR ENEMYS ...... SO WHY DOES HE SEND HIS TO HELL ???

god is a hypocrite

oh too true, but god is above following the rules he creates for people.... He can say what he wants, and do what he wants

eh noooo I just think it should be banned because it is the cause of wars and prejudice

for example Muslims commit suicide bombings in the name of allah

if religion didnt exist millions of Jews would have been spared the horrors of the holocaust

Um...it's not their fault they were killed by Hitler's death camps.

GOD SAYS LOVE YOUR ENEMYS ...... SO WHY DOES HE SEND HIS TO HELL ???

god is a hypocrite

Because Hell is good for them. It teaches them the folly of their past mistakes in an environment where they'll never be able to apply what they've learned. That's love. ;)

That he created even the angels with free will.

I sometimes wonder if Yahweh is a master at mind fucking.

He creates a beautiful garden, tells Adam and Eve (who are basically children) to not eat from the tree of knowledge, after giving them free will. I mean comon, what did he think was going to happen? What usually happens when you tell a kid to not do something?

There's also the Book of Exodus,

The LORD said to Moses, "When you return to Egypt, see that you perform before Pharaoh all the wonders I have given you the power to do. But I will harden his heart so that he will not let the people go.

So let gets this straight, Yahweh wants Moses to free the Hebrew people, and yet, he hardens the heart of The Pharaoh so that the only possible answer he could give was "No"?

Don't even get me started on Book of Job.

He didn't force you to make that decision. He created you with free will, you choose your own destiny.

but he already knew the outcome. Why didn't god just create you directly in heaven seeing as you are so righteous, and send me directly to hell, as I am an evil corrupt being. Come to think of it, why did god create anything at all?

god created man in his image

so why are so many people scum


Hmm..

(1) Jehovah creates humanity in his image.
(2) Much of humanity is scum.
CONCLUSION: Much of Jehovah is scum. :eek:

god created man in his image

so why are so many people scum

Read Book of Job and you'll see.

I sometimes wonder if Yahweh is a master at mind fucking.

He creates a beautiful garden, tells Adam and Eve (who are basically children) to not eat from the tree of knowledge, after giving them free will. I mean comon, what did he think was going to happen? What usually happens when you tell a kid to not do something?

There's also the Book of Exodus,



So let gets this straight, Yahweh wants Moses to free the Hebrew people, and yet, he hardens the heart of The Pharaoh so that the only possible answer he could give was "No"?

Don't even get me started on Book of Job.

God works in mysterious ways.

Um...it's not their fault they were killed by Hitler's death camps.

I'm not blaming the Jews , I'm blaming religion

If religion didnt exist Hitler wouldn't have hated the Jews and the wouldnt have died

but he already knew the outcome.

But the outcome was your fault, not his, he just knew it.

God works in mysterious ways.

Please, please, please come up with a better answer than that bullshit excuse.

Hmm..

(1) Jehovah creates humanity in his image.
(2) Much of humanity is scum.
CONCLUSION: Much of Jehovah is scum. :eek:

ha ha thats probably true

God works in mysterious ways.

Got anything else?

But the outcome was your fault, not his, he just knew it.

But unless god is a truly sadistic being, why would he allow me to even exist to lead a sinful life only to send me to hell?

Got anything else?

These questions will be answered when I die and see him, I do not have full knowledge of all his motivations.

Because Hell is good for them. It teaches them the folly of their past mistakes in an environment where they'll never be able to apply what they've learned. That's love. ;)

good point but god is supposed to forgive

But unless god is a truly sadistic being, why would he allow me to even exist to lead a sinful life only to send me to hell?

See below (as in see below that post).

there is no below

I'm not blaming the Jews , I'm blaming religion

If religion didnt exist Hitler wouldn't have hated the Jews and the wouldnt have died

Hitler hated the Jews because he thought they were, as an ethnicity, all the unfairly-rich people (while instead, Germans should be unfairly rich people). Combine That with his Insanity, and there you have Recent History's worst Genocide, and the Fascist regime that was the very definition of Failure.

In the Bible.

Here we go again.

oh, hey Yumvagoo, I must thank you, seeing as this thread has gotten me over 300 posts

heres a thought if god existed why would he create other religions????

As I am a Catholic myself, I will somewhat take up your challenge. I won't argue to in depth.

If we want to go the route of "God can't exist if there is more than one religion", I could say that there is more than one religion because He is trying to test us.

Also, just because there is fallacies in the idea of the Christian God, doesn't mean God can't exist. It is entirely possible that God is more like the Deist type: Starts the top, and let's it spin on its own accord. Maybe He'll give it a couple more pushes, or He'll gently nudge it in a certain direction, but that's all.

Now I, personally, believe He is omnipresent and omnipotent, as well as all-loving. I can't prove it, but it's something I believe.

Hitler hated the Jews because he thought they were, as an ethnicity, all the unfairly-rich people (while instead, Germans should be unfairly rich people). Combine That with his Insanity, and there you have Recent History's worst Genocide, and the Fascist regime that was the very definition of Failure.

Wasn't the art school he applied to also intertwined into this?

oh, hey Yumvagoo, I must thank you, seeing as this thread has gotten me over 300 posts

Don't thank me, thank Jesus Christ.

Wasn't the art school he applied to also intertwined into this?

no, but his moms crappy doctor was

Hitler hated the Jews because he thought they were, as an ethnicity, all the unfairly-rich people (while instead, Germans should be unfairly rich people). Combine That with his Insanity, and there you have Recent History's worst Genocide, and the Fascist regime that was the very definition of Failure.

too true. Rot in hell Hitler ( if their is one )

Don't thank me, thank Jesus Christ.

Nah, I don't like talking to dead people. Makes me feel too weird and crazy

These questions will be answered when I die and see him, I do not have full knowledge of all his motivations.

So, while you cannot explain his mind fucking ways, you and several other xtains have no problems condemning non Christians to Hell on a whim?

Interesting...

Nah, I don't like talking to dead people. Makes me feel too weird and crazy

I see, I don't understand what this has to do with thanking Jesus Christ.

Now I, personally, believe He is omnipresent and omnipotent, as well as all-loving. I can't prove it, but it's something I believe.

If jehovah's omnipotent and all-loving, why are so many dualities good vs evil? Why can't they be good vs neutral?

If I believed in God, I would have to hate him because he's such an inherently contradictory, malevolent asshole.

So, while you cannot explain his mind fucking ways, you and several other xtains have no problems condemning non Christians to Hell on a whim?

Interesting...

I do not condemn people to hell, when ever I have acted as judge, I have been very sorry, and have appropriately punished myself.

I see, I don't understand what this has to do with thanking Jesus Christ.

It's quite simple really. Jesus the Christ died almost 2000 years ago by crucifixion.

I do not condemn people to hell, when ever I have acted as judge, I have been very sorry, and have appropriately punished myself.

Self-flagellation? Pics, or it didn't happen.

As I am a Catholic myself, I will somewhat take up your challenge. I won't argue to in depth.

If we want to go the route of "God can't exist if there is more than one religion", I could say that there is more than one religion because He is trying to test us.

Also, just because there is fallacies in the idea of the Christian God, doesn't mean God can't exist. It is entirely possible that God is more like the Deist type: Starts the top, and let's it spin on its own accord. Maybe He'll give it a couple more pushes, or He'll gently nudge it in a certain direction, but that's all.

Now I, personally, believe He is omnipresent and omnipotent, as well as all-loving. I can't prove it, but it's something I believe.


Thats a good point I never thought it could be a test but if it is the real true religion what does he do with those who don't believe in him ???? Do you think they go to hell (if their is one )

It's quite simple really. Jesus the Christ died almost 2000 years ago by crucifixion.

Have you not heard the good news? Jesus was resurrected, and is now alive in heaven as part of the holy trinity!

I do not condemn people to hell, when ever I have acted as judge, I have been very sorry, and have appropriately punished myself.

Did you use a cat o' nine tails?

Wasn't the art school he applied to also intertwined into this?

Something like that. They rejected him twice and I think they told him he should consider architecture.

Self-flagellation? Pics, or it didn't happen.

now your a sadistic bastard ;)

Did you use a cat o' nine tails?

What is that?

edit: ah, no I did not use that whip

now your a sadistic bastard ;)

Bitch, dear, I'm a sadistic bitch.

Have you not heard the good news? Jesus was resurrected, and is now alive in heaven as part of the holy trinity!

Yeah, I heard a few crazy people talking about it. I also heard some more crazy people telling me about Xenu, but I dismissed them too

Bitch, dear, I'm a sadistic bitch.

fine, sadistic bitch then

Yeah, I heard a few crazy people talking about it.

It is ashamed you dismissed the truth as 'crazy' talk.

What is that?

edit: ah, no I did not use that whip

Aww, well that's no fun.

If I believed in God, I would have to hate him because he's such an inherently contradictory, malevolent asshole.

how could you not hate something which created murder , rape . racism ect ..

and why would he create dederts it has no purpose:confused:

If jehovah's omnipotent and all-loving, why are so many dualities good vs evil? Why can't they be good vs neutral?

I am going to come flat out and say I do not know. I do not know why there is evil. I will never win that argument. But, I still believe in God as an all-loving, all-powerful, and ever-present being.

I will never be able to back myself up with logic like those who disagree with me. This puts me at a disadvantage, yes, but I still believe.

You can call me a moron for merely believing these things. Fair enough, you can say as you wish, but I still believe in God.

do you think god might be a woman ?

It is ashamed you dismissed the truth as 'crazy' talk.

I only believe something is truth if I can see it with my own eyes, which apparently god has allowed satan to cloud

Out of curiosity, Yum, who do you think is a better pope: John Paul II or Benedict XVI?

I tried to resist, but I fail:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zYnUXW4groc

:D

It is ashamed you dismissed the truth as 'crazy' talk.

I dismiss all talk of old, bearded white men in the sky and his love-god son, ufos and ghosts as "crazy talk."

I am going to come flat out and say I do not know. I do not know why there is evil. I will never win that argument. But, I still believe in God as an all-loving, all-powerful, and ever-present being.

I will never be able to back myself up with logic like those who disagree with me. This puts me at a disadvantage, yes, but I still believe.

You can call me a moron for merely believing these things. Fair enough, you can say as you wish, but I still believe in God.

I really haven't seen anyone insulting you. You're a bearable Christian.

I only believe something is truth if I can see it with my own eyes

Can you see wind? Can you see atoms? Can you see your own consciousness? No? Does that mean you believe none of these things exist?

I am going to come flat out and say I do not know. I do not know why there is evil. I will never win that argument. But, I still believe in God as an all-loving, all-powerful, and ever-present being.

I will never be able to back myself up with logic like those who disagree with me. This puts me at a disadvantage, yes, but I still believe.

You can call me a moron for merely believing these things. Fair enough, you can say as you wish, but I still believe in God.

Fear not; there is absolutely no shame in admitting to not knowing all the answers.

Thats a good point I never thought it could be a test but if it is the real true religion what does he do with those who don't believe in him ???? Do you think they go to hell (if their is one )

Well, it could be argued that they have failed the test, therefore, they are punished.

Of course, it could be countered that if God knew all, He would see those people's futures, and therefore, their fate would be pre-determined.

In that case, there would be no need for a test.

These questions will be answered when I die and see him, I do not have full knowledge of all his motivations.

That's why I respect an agnostic belief as much as I do. Not saying you are agnostic.. just reminded me of it.

If someone honestly believes .. man I don't know if there is or there isn't ... Awesome.

Two of the best people I've ever known as of now in my life (I mean their heart.. good peoples -- what it's suppose to be about!!) .. was a Christian who never 'preached' tho I believe she could have honestly and I think what she would have to say would be good.. but anyway. And the other was an Agnostic dude I worked with for about 2 years. Great guy. Good heart.

Extreme Athiests get on my nerves as much as a 'Holier Than Thou' .. loud speaking, money grubbing, attention whoring, lie spitting, hate spreading, fear mongering 'Christian'.

Tho I can respect the Atheist more.

Jesus the musical http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IVseBfMq_Dc

Out of curiosity, Yum, who do you think is a better pope: John Paul II or Benedict XVI?

Both are despicable. Benedict may even be the anti-Christ.

do you think god might be a woman ?

Well, if God is omnipotent, that would mean God has all the ablities of a woman as well as a man.

I'm not saying God's transgendered, but...

Jesus the musical http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IVseBfMq_Dc

Please do not blaspheme.

Well, it could be argued that they have failed the test, therefore, they are punished.

Of course, it could be countered that if God knew all, He would see those people's futures, and therefore, their fate would be pre-determined.

In that case, there would be no need for a test.

Logically, an omnipotent/omnibenevolent being could create a world where everyone has free will yet everyone is good (or at least neutral) not evil.

Then again, I don't believe that omnipotence and omnibenevolence are even possible...

Can you see wind? Can you see atoms? Can you see your own consciousness? No? Does that mean you believe none of these things exist?

Alright, how about things that I can detect with my own 5 sense(air), must obviously exist for me to actually be writing this(my own consciousness), or who's existence can be revealed with the use of man-made equipment such as an electron microscope(atoms)

I really haven't seen anyone insulting you. You're a bearable Christian.

Well, Youtube commenters tend to be quite fiery with those they disagree with.

Although I tend to disagree with the people on the NSG forums, I find them to be more open-minded and fun to talk with.

Alright, how about things that I can detect with my own 5 sense(air), must obviously exist for me to actually be writing this(my own consciousness), or who's existence can be revealed with the use of man-made equipment such as an electron microscope(atoms)

So you immediately disbelieve me when I say I am a man, since there is no way you can detect that with any of your senses?

Well, if God is omnipotent, that would mean God has all the ablities of a woman as well as a man.

I'm not saying God's transgendered, but...

ha ha god should be a hymaphridite thats fair to both sexes

do you think god might be a woman"

I find it more amusing that most religious people assume that the omin-[insert] deity of all of existence has a gender at all, seeing as how only a portion of known life has evolved to possess that particular characteristic.

So you immediately disbelieve me when I say I am a man, since there is no way you can detect that with any of your senses?

are you speaking of your gender or species?

Logically, an omnipotent/omnibenevolent being could create a world where everyone has free will yet everyone is good (or at least neutral) not evil.

Then again, I don't believe that omnipotence and omnibenevolence are even possible...

The great omnipotence paradox of God creating a stone so large he himself could not lift it comes to mind, although I like the paradox from the Simpsons better:

"Ned, could God microwave a burrito so hot, he himself could not eat it?" Homer Simpson.

It's good to see so many responses to this thread. Although their minds are rejecting the truth, their hearts clearly seek it!

are you speaking of your gender or species?

Gender, but that question would not make a difference either way.

So you immediately disbelieve me when I say I am a man, since there is no way you can detect that with any of your senses?

However, Takaram can prove you're a man scientifically if you were within sight.

Behold, Yumvagoo has a penis, therefore, he is a man.

It's good to see so many responses to this thread. Although their minds are rejecting the truth, their hearts clearly seek it!

The internet troll rears his ugly head. I'll go grab my claymore.

Behold, Yumvagoo has a penis, therefore, he is a man.

Being a 'man' and being male are two separate things. "Man" is a gender identity more than a certain physical reproductive capability, which is essentially what a male has.

Edit/Also: 3,000 posts!

Please do not blaspheme.


sorry if I offended you

but dont worry he will resurect himself in 3 days ha ha :p


every watch jesus the musical

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IVseBfMq_Dc

The internet troll rears his ugly head. I'll go grab my claymore.

Flame.

Gender, but that question would not make a difference either way.

It would to me, seeing as we know of no species aside from humans that can actually create rational thought... then again, you might not be human.

I find it more amusing that most religious people assume that the omin-[insert] deity of all of existence has a gender at all, seeing as how only a portion of known life has evolved to possess that particular characteristic.

It's a problem with the English language. I tend to prefer referring to deity as he/she/it/they - but it gets a little cumbersome.

It would to me, seeing as we know of no species aside from humans that can actually create rational thought... then again, you might not be human.

Answer the question please.

However, Takaram can prove you're a man scientifically if you were within sight.

Behold, Yumvagoo has a penis, therefore, he is a man.

No, he's a male. Men are grown ups.

Answer the question please.

what, I'm not allowed to dodge a question?:p You've been doing it this entire time.

what, I'm not allowed to dodge a question?:p You've been doing it this entire time.

So you admit to dodging? You cannot offer a rebuttal?