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Simple question, I don't think this has been discussed enough here yet.

http://www.boomspeed.com/looonatic/jesusjeez.jpg

Which god?

Simple question, I don't think this has been discussed enough here yet.


Your absolutely right... :headbang:

Which god?

God god.

God god.

Gonna have to narrow that down a shade.

Gonna have to narrow that down a shade.

The almighty God that shall perish non believers and reward the righteous believers.

I think he means the christian/islamic/jewish God.

The almighty God that shall perish non believers and reward the righteous believers.

Karl Rove? :confused:

The almighty God that shall perish non believers and reward the righteous believers.

Well that narrows it down to about three dozen I can think of offhand.

Haven't we already made a thread about this?

Well that narrows it down to about three dozen I can think of offhand.

No, there is only one God, all others are false idols. You could have only narrowed it down to one God, because there is only one God.

Haven't we already made a thread about this?
3,721 times, at last count. ;)

Haven't we already made a thread about this?

I do not believe so, no.

Which god?

I usually interpret god with a capital "g" to be the Judeo-Christian God and god with a lowercase "g" to mean any random non-specific god.

Haven't we already made a thread about this?

A thread? There is a new one every week at least.

Yea something has to be out there beyond the outer edges of the universe.

I think the Bible gives us about 1% of the BIG PICTURE. In a lifetime, someone could come up with another 1%. Beyond that man could not understand at our present time in evolution.

Please do not spam my thread. I would like to know peoples opinions. Specifically, I would like to know why non believers have chosen to be wrong.

Yea something has to be out there beyond the outer edges of the universe.

Does there? Why can't there be nothing out there?

I usually interpret god with a capital "g" to be the Judeo-Christian God and god with a lowercase "g" to mean any random non-specific god.

Doh, sneaky poll-question is sneaky. I took it simply to mean a higher being, as it's supposed to.

Functional pantheism would require an itty-bitty "g" I guess. Or, perhaps, a very, very large "g".

Please do not spam my thread. I would like to know peoples opinions. Specifically, I would like to know why non believers have chosen to be wrong.

Oh boy, you are going to go reeeeaalll far here...

3,721 times, at last count. ;)

hmmm... no... I think you missed a couple. :tongue:

No, there is only one God, all others are false idols. You could have only narrowed it down to one God, because there is only one God.

Huh, says you. There's just as much evidence for Zeus as there is for YHWH. Actually moreso, Zeus is a known jerkass, instead of pretending to be nice.

In before 10000000 pages.

Please do not spam my thread. I would like to know peoples opinions. Specifically, I would like to know why non believers have chosen to be wrong.

Because the Dark Side has cookies. :)

In before 10000000 pages.

In before:
http://twilight.mahoro-net.org/%7Efck/thread_direction.gif

Please do not spam my thread. I would like to know peoples opinions. Specifically, I would like to know why non believers have chosen to be wrong.

*makes Popcorn, get's the chair out and readies the weiners, marshmellows and skewers.*

A thread? There is a new one every week at least.

Yea but I specifically remember one a little while ago that got a ton of people talking on it.

makes Popcorn, get's the chair out and readies the weiners, marshmellows and skewers.

Ah sweet dude. I'm on my way out to go pickup some beer, give me an update when I get back. :tongue:

Huh, says you. There's just as much evidence for Zeus as there is for YHWH. Actually moreso, Zeus is a known jerkass, instead of pretending to be nice.
Zeus was in my dream the other night. Imagine that. :p

Huh, says you. There's just as much evidence for Zeus as there is for YHWH. Actually moreso, Zeus is a known jerkass, instead of pretending to be nice.

That is nonsensical. How could there be any evidence for non existent entities?

Huh, says you. There's just as much evidence for Zeus as there is for YHWH. Actually moreso, Zeus is a known jerkass, instead of pretending to be nice.

Doesn't Job pretty much boil down to YHWH saying, "Bad shit happens, yo, deal with it. I got the zap-zaps and use 'em as I will!" I'd not call that pretending to be nice in any way. *nod* Though, he did give the guy some sheep or something afterwards, no?

yeah what do you guys want cus I'm sure I heard someone calling my name *gets my coat*

and no I do not nor do I need to be smug about it :p

beyond the outer edges of the universe.

O_o

poor trolling thread trolls poorly by being too obvious.

answering question, no. My belief would require some evidence. Since no evidence presents itself, I do not believe.

That is nonsensical. How could there be any evidence for non existent entities?

A question I've asked of so many believers, and yet always the answer is "Faith".

Doesn't Job pretty much boil down to YHWH saying, "Bad shit happens, yo, deal with it. I got the zap-zaps and use 'em as I will!" I'd not call that pretending to be nice in any way. *nod* Though, he did give the guy some sheep or something afterwards, no?

Yeah, but he really toned it down in the new testament. Probably because the "heathen" gods often made him look bad.

That is nonsensical. How could there be any evidence for non existent entities?

I think they wrote a book about it actually...

http://antiatheism.info/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/bible.jpg

That is nonsensical. How could there be any evidence for non existent entities?

There are statues of Zeus that show what he looked like. How many statues of God have you seen lately?

There are statues of Zeus that show what he looked like. How many statues of God have you seen lately?

Kind of hard when there is no description for what God looks like.

A question I've asked of so many believers, and yet always the answer is "Faith".

If they paradoxically have faith in a God which isn't a God, they are not believers.

What century is this? Organized religion shouldn't even exist anymore.

Zeus was in my dream the other night. Imagine that. :p

The Greeks believed that dreams come from the gods, so don't be surprised.

Kind of hard when there is no description for what God looks like.

http://media.southparkstudios.com/media/images/316/316_deity.gif

If they paradoxically have faith in a God which isn't a God, they are not believers.

Just so we're clear, you do mean the God of the Jewish/Christian/Islamic continuum, right?

There are statues of Zeus that show what he looked like. How many statues of God have you seen lately?

Yes, hence that God being a false idol. Since one cannot know God's true appearance, there can be no statues of him, any worship of a god that has been depicted in drawing or sculpture is therefore false.

If they paradoxically have faith in a God which isn't a God, they are not believers.

:eek2: So many logical fallacies in a single sentence that I am utterly in awe. Even more so when given the context of the sentence as to what it was a response to.:hail:

S'my smiley quota for the year.

If they paradoxically have faith in a God which isn't a God, they are not believers.

... so you believe in a God that you have no faith in?

If they paradoxically have faith in a God which isn't a God, they are not believers.

Oh it's entirely possible to believe in the fictional. Take you for instance. There's not a shred of proof for your god. You believe anyway. I've always rather wondered why. How anyone could believe that bullshit. Then I realize I don't really care, we're past the days when you lot slaughtered the unbelievers. Mostly.

Please do not spam my thread. I would like to know peoples opinions. Specifically, I would like to know why non believers have chosen to be wrong.

Proper spelling and grammar, provocative question with rants, professed obliviousness to the millions of threads that have been created on this subject...

I give it a 6, but we'll have to see what the East German judge says.

http://media.southparkstudios.com/media/images/316/316_deity.gif
:eek::hail:

lol

:p

Plus, I saw that episode. :D

Just so we're clear, you do mean the God of the Jewish/Christian/Islamic continuum, right?

I mean the God that took the form of Christ (verified by empirical evidence) some two thousand years ago.

Just so we're clear, you do mean the God of the Jewish/Christian/Islamic continuum, right?

I'm pretty sure he is referring to Prince Philip

Yea but I specifically remember one a little while ago that got a ton of people talking on it.

this one? (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=479090)

Yes, hence that God being a false idol. Since one cannot know God's true appearance, there can be no statues of him, any worship of a god that has been depicted in drawing or sculpture is therefore false.

Really?

http://www.success.co.il/knowledge/images/Pillar2-Supernatural-GodCreates-Man-Sistine-Chapel.jpg

Doesn't Job pretty much boil down to YHWH saying, "Bad shit happens, yo, deal with it. I got the zap-zaps and use 'em as I will!" I'd not call that pretending to be nice in any way. *nod* Though, he did give the guy some sheep or something afterwards, no?

I would have read more of the Bible if it had been written like that.

Yesterday one of my kindergarten students asked me when Jesus is coming back, and if he's coming to Sacramento.

... so you believe in a God that you have no faith in?

No, because, the God I believe in is a God.

Yes, hence that God being a false idol. Since one cannot know God's true appearance, there can be no statues of him, any worship of a god that has been depicted in drawing or sculpture is therefore false.

I mean the God that took the form of Christ (verified by empirical evidence) some two thousand years ago.

Hellloooo Contradiction! :D

Yes, hence that God being a false idol. Since one cannot know God's true appearance, there can be no statues of him, any worship of a god that has been depicted in drawing or sculpture is therefore false.

What about this one:

http://www.dreamstime.com/wood-sculpture-of-jesus-christ-thumb6070113.jpg

Really?

http://www.success.co.il/knowledge/images/Pillar2-Supernatural-GodCreates-Man-Sistine-Chapel.jpg

That's a painting not a statue. And it looks cold there too. :p

No, because, the God I believe in is a God.

but by the post I quoted, you showed that you have no Faith in the God you believe in.

Really?

http://www.success.co.il/knowledge/images/Pillar2-Supernatural-GodCreates-Man-Sistine-Chapel.jpg

That is a false depiction, Michelangelo sinned greatly for that painting.

That's a painting not a statue. And it looks cold there too. :p

He said drawing or sculpture.

I would have read more of the Bible if it had been written like that.

Yesterday one of my kindergarten students asked me when Jesus is coming back, and if he's coming to Sacramento.

Tell 'em Jesus mows your lawn.

but by the post I quoted, you showed that you have no Faith in the God you believe in.

Does one have to actually have faith in a god to know it exists?

he or she could just think it is a loser, :p

Hellloooo Contradiction! :D

Christ is not God's true appearance, he is what God looks like in human form.

Please do not spam my thread. I would like to know peoples opinions. Specifically, I would like to know why non believers have chosen to be wrong.

And the award for fastest descent into trolling goes to...

That is a false depiction, Michelangelo sinned greatly for that painting.

How do you know? Did God tell you?

Does there? Why can't there be nothing out there?

Someone had to light the fuse to start the big bang.

Ah sweet dude. I'm on my way out to go pickup some beer, give me an update when I get back. :tongue:

sorry SD... to get the full humor of this thread, I'm gonna force you to read it! :p

He said drawing or sculpture.

Aha. So he did. *gives you a taco as a token of respect*

I would have read more of the Bible if it had been written like that.

Yesterday one of my kindergarten students asked me when Jesus is coming back, and if he's coming to Sacramento.
I'd have remembered more of it from having studied it near daily the first 14 years of my life if it was written like that. =p

What did you tell the kindergarten student? I've always wondered how teachers deal with those awkward questions, or did you just tell him/her to ask his/her parents? I know my response would have involved The Incredible Hulk and something requiring jelly-beans, but this is why I am not a teacher--should my students be too young, they'd have a completely nonsensical understanding of the world and too old they'd be over-stressed from being forced to read literature and engage in critical analysis of topics. :(
No, because, the God I believe in is a God.

So by using the indefinite article "a," are you implying that there are potentially other Gods of equal or higher footing to your own God? AMG, YOU BLASPHEEEEEEEME!

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I refer you to the link in my signature.

How do you know? Did God tell you?

I do not know, I am sorry for acting as judge when a mere mortal like me is not in a position too. I shall flagellate myself.

Christ is not God's true appearance, he is what God looks like in human form.

God made man in his image. He's always in human form. According to myth.

Christ is not God's true appearance, he is what God looks like in human form.

yet you stated that God has no appearance. and to worship a drawing, Sculpture or any thing that depicts God's likeness is Idol worship, then worshiping a man who you now states "is what God looks like in human form" is idol worship.

again, hellllooo contradiction!

I do not know, I am sorry for acting as judge when a mere mortal like me is not in a position too. I shall flagellate myself.

Wow, you're either flexible or hung!


No wait wait, you said Flagellate, not Fellate. My mistake.

So by using the indefinite article "a," are you implying that there are potentially other Gods of equal or higher footing to your own God? AMG, YOU BLASPHEEEEEEEME!

I use 'a' to account for other hypothetical Gods which do not exist.

I do not know, I am sorry for acting as judge when a mere mortal like me is not in a position too. I shall flagellate myself.

Proper pennance would involve not posting on this forum anymore.

How do you know? Did God tell you?

Maybe the Pope that made Michelangelo paint it told him. :p

God made man in his image. He's always in human form. According to myth.

I do not care about mythological writings. I only care about what the Bible states.

There should be a third option: I Don't Know.

Because, Honestly... I Don't Know! I'm Nonreligious, but I'm not entirely Atheist either. As far as I'm concerned, there may or may not be a God.

Really?

http://www.success.co.il/knowledge/images/Pillar2-Supernatural-GodCreates-Man-Sistine-Chapel.jpg

Lol, this exactly was my first thought to his post. :fluffle:

I don't believe in god. I am god, and I acknowledge the fact of my own existence. Faith is not required.


Although I believe in LG.

I do not care about mythological writings. I only care about what the Bible states.

the bible IS a Mythological Writing.

This thread makes me lol.

yet you stated that God has no appearance. and to worship a drawing, Sculpture or any thing that depicts God's likeness is Idol worship, then worshiping a man who you now states "is what God looks like in human form" is idol worship.

again, hellllooo contradiction!

Jesus is a real person, not an idol, not an inanimate object. I am not worshipping an idol, but a real man.

I do not care about mythological writings. I only care about what the Bible states.

Then you should read Genesis again.

I use 'a' to account for other hypothetical Gods which do not exist.

ya know... many people say THE God when referring to God and a god when referring to those other 'hypothetical' ones.

I do not care about mythological writings. I only care about what the Bible states.

And how do you know the Bible isn't mythological?

Jesus is a real person, not an idol, not an inanimate object. I am not worshipping an idol, but a real man.

Yes, a Man. Not a God.

Jesus is a real person, not an idol, not an inanimate worship. I am not worshipping an idol, but a real man.

... so you are worshipping a MAN.

I thought you were worshipping GOD?

What is that phrase about not feeding trolls?

ya know... many people say THE God when referring to God and a god when referring to those other 'hypothetical' ones.

It's also proper to not capitalize the word god unless you're referring to the Christian God.

the bible IS a Mythological Writing.

Fail.

Definition Bible:

# the sacred writings of the Christian religions; "he went to carry the Word to the heathen"
# a book regarded as authoritative in its field

A myth is not authoritative in the history of earth and of ethics and philosophy. The Bible is, by definition. You are wrong.

What did you tell the kindergarten student? I've always wondered how teachers deal with those awkward questions, or did you just tell him/her to ask his/her parents? I know my response would have involved The Incredible Hulk and something requiring jelly-beans, but this is why I am not a teacher--should my students be too young, they'd have a completely nonsensical understanding of the world and too old they'd be over-stressed from being forced to read literature and engage in critical analysis of topics. :(

It's very awkward to try and answer/deflect those questions. My students are mostly Christian and Hindu, and the Christian kids are really Christian. Most of the time it doesn't come up, but the kid who asked that question moved from a private Catholic school, and he's very precocious and likes to discuss a lot of things.

I told him I didn't know, to which he replied scornfully, "You don't know? Don't you read the Bible??" I countered that he didn't know, either, and he said, "Well, I don't know the month." Then I mumbled something evasive and called the kids in from recess.

Usually, I stay out of any discussion and redirect their attention to what we're supposed to be doing. The few times conflict has arisen between students about beliefs, I ignored the religious bits and reminded them about being good friends and good citizens and showing respect for each other.

Jesus is a real person, not an idol, not an inanimate object. I am not worshipping an idol, but a real man.
So, this:

http://www.egpfc.co.uk/images/profiles/pinnochio.jpg

That is nonsensical. How could there be any evidence for non existent entities?

I would ask you the same question.

Yes, a Man. Not a God.

A man is not an idol. But he is not merely a man, he is also God.

This thread makes me lol.

I refer you to the link in my signature. :D

Fail.

Definition Bible:

# the sacred writings of the Christian religions; "he went to carry the Word to the heathen"
# a book regarded as authoritative in its field

A myth is not authoritative in the history of earth and of ethics and philosophy. The Bible is, by definition. You are wrong.

Bible refers to respective collections of religious writings of Judaism and of Christianity. The exact composition of the Bible is dependent on the religious traditions of specific denominations. ...


I think you'll find Teh Bibble is quite wrong on history also.

I do not care about mythological writings. I only care about what the Bible states.
um... did you ever read Genesis?
27 So God created man in his own image,
in the image of God he created him;
male and female he created them.

It's also proper to not capitalize the word god unless you're referring to the Christian god. Assuming of course you believe in that particular brand of horseshit.
well, it's what I do and alot of 'believers' also do. but I don't call it a rule or anything. ;)

I would ask you the same question.

I do not know. That is why I only believe in God.

I would ask you the same question.

I asked him, but he's ignoring four of every five of my posts, responding only to the arguments he can handle without having a paradox of faith.

A man is not an idol. But he is not merely a man, he is also God.

Wrong... Jesus is the Son of God. not God made flesh.

I think you'll find Teh Bibble is quite wrong on history also.

Any time the dogma espoused by 'historians' deviates from the truth recorded in the Bible, it is they that are quite wrong.

That's a painting not a statue. And it looks cold there too. :p
You sit naked on top of some hillside while a creepy old white dude with a beard is giving you the ET-phone-home gesture and see what happens to you! If ever there's a recipe for shrinkage, that's gotta be it.
Someone had to light the fuse to start the big bang.
I used to feel this was a strong argument however there is a key weakness in it that forces me to discard it. You are positing rules of causality that we have no reason to believe are anything but a byproduct of how space and time turned out in our universe after the big bang.
I use 'a' to account for other hypothetical Gods which do not exist.

But you admit their possibility? In a purely speculative, hypothetical sense, at least?

I refer you to the link in my signature. :D
I saw that. It made me lol too. :fluffle:

:D

I mean the God that took the form of Christ (verified by empirical evidence) some two thousand years ago.
I'm going to have to call bullshit on the empirical evidence claim here.

Fail.

Definition Bible:

# the sacred writings of the Christian religions; "he went to carry the Word to the heathen"
# a book regarded as authoritative in its field

A myth is not authoritative in the history of earth and of ethics and philosophy. The Bible is, by definition. You are wrong.

Actually, though the Bible is authoritative in it's field, it's field is not historical or philosophical. It's field is the Christian religion, to which it naturally is authoritative, being the scrpiture thereof.

So... fail.

Fail.
# the sacred writings of the Christian religions; "he went to carry the Word to the heathen"
# a book regarded as authoritative in its field


just replace "Christian" with "Muslim", and you've got the Qur'An in that description. They're ALL Mythological Writings. You expect me to believe that a Talking Snake who forever corrupted Mankind and damned Women to experience pain in childbirth actually aren't myths?!?!?!


A myth is not authoritative in the history of earth and of ethics and philosophy. The Bible is, by definition. You are wrong.


You're acting like the Bible is a scientific text, almost.

um... did you ever read Genesis?



well, it's what I do and alot of 'believers' also do. but I don't call it a rule or anything. ;)

Well I edited that because really God is his apparent name, so as a name it'd be capitalized irregardless of one's faith. I mean, I capitalize Jesus, Zeus, Allah, et al.

A man is not an idol.

You're mistaken, more than one man has won American Idol (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Idol)

Any time the dogma espoused by 'historians' deviates from the truth recorded in the Bible, it is they that are quite wrong.

Amusing. The whole world is an illusion if you believe it is.

I didn't know you were a Zen Buddhist.

For those attempting to engage Yumvagoo in serious debate, I'd point them to his/her posting history.

Any time the dogma espoused by 'historians' deviates from the truth recorded in the Bible, it is they that are quite wrong.

The question then, is what is the percentage of the Bible is truth?

Someone had to light the fuse to start the big bang.

No they didn't.

Well I edited that because really God is his apparent name, so as a name it'd be capitalized irregardless of one's faith. I mean, I capitalize Jesus, Zeus, Allah, et al.

true... dat.

although I've also seen it written as the God Zeus, Goddess Athena, etc...

Wrong... Jesus is the Son of God. not God made flesh.

Regardless, he still has divine powers and was so kind as to save us, and is thus worthy of worship, is he not?

A man is not an idol. But he is not merely a man, he is also God.

Solid Proof, not relating to the "Eyewitness Accounts" (which, by the way, has been heavily censored and re-written throughout history) as stated in the Testaments, please?

No they didn't.

so you're thinking it was more in line with a "Come here and pull my finger"? :p

Actually, though the Bible is authoritative in it's field, it's field is not historical or philosophical. It's field is the Christian religion, to which it naturally is authoritative, being the scrpiture thereof.

So... fail.

Much of the Bible pre-dates the Christian religion. The Bible is the word of God, of course it is authoritative.

Yumvagoo, do you think "God" is going to kill us all in 2012?

*snicker*

No they didn't.

I find it quite improbable that matter, and time started existing out of nothing, and then proceeded, without a catalyst, to explode.

But that's my logical take on the situation.

Regardless, he still has divine powers and was so kind as to save us, and is thus worthy of worship, is he not?

Does he not still support the being he was supposedly saving us from?

Solid Proof, not relating to the "Eyewitness Accounts" (which, by the way, has been heavily censored and re-written throughout history) as stated in the Testaments, please?

You do not accept the word of God as truth? Then there is nothing that will convince you, you wilfully disregard the proof.

Much of the Bible pre-dates the Christian religion. The Bible is the word of God, of course it is authoritative.

*Facepalm

EXPLAIN WHY IT IS THE WORD OF GOD. How do you KNOW that this is what God said to mankind? Or, rather, how have you convinced yourself into blindly accepting it?

Fail.

Definition Bible:

# the sacred writings of the Christian religions; "he went to carry the Word to the heathen"
# a book regarded as authoritative in its field

A myth is not authoritative in the history of earth and of ethics and philosophy. The Bible is, by definition. You are wrong.

The second definition does not refer to the Bible. It refers to a bible. As in when I refer to the books by Herzberg on the subject of molecular spectroscopy, I call them the bible because they are thorough and authoritative books in the field. This doesn't mean that the Bible has any more authority than the Iliad.

You do not accept the word of God as truth? Then there is nothing that will convince you, you wilfully disregard the proof.

Oh my, debating a "Christian" is like putting Michael Phelps in the Special Olympics. It's both tragic and fucking hilarious.

Much of the Bible pre-dates the Christian religion. The Bible is the word of God, of course it is authoritative.

I didn't argue that it was indeed authoritative. I argued it's field of authority, which I would like to note you did not counter. I assume you concede.

You do not accept the word of God as truth? Then there is nothing that will convince you, you wilfully disregard the proof.

So, since the word of God is truth, do you believe this proof?

http://goatmilk.files.wordpress.com/2008/04/quran.jpg

You do not accept the word of God as truth? Then there is nothing that will convince you, you wilfully disregard the proof.

Lol, proof does not work that way.

Regardless, he still has divine powers and was so kind as to save us, and is thus worthy of worship, is he not?

oh, so is that your criteria for worship? have 'divine powers', say "we're saved", and *poof* we worship a that person?

to me, no. such a person will be honored, but I worship God. I pray to God and thank him for sending his son to save my sorry ass. I thank Jesus for all that he's done, but I don't worship Jesus as God.

I find it quite improbable that matter, and time started existing out of nothing, and then proceeded, without a catalyst, to explode.

But that's my logical take on the situation.

Based on a poor understanding of the big bang theory. First of all, it wasn't an explosion. It was the beginning of an expansion. Secondly... well, getting into it involves a lot of details. I suggest reading the wiki article on the subject.

You do not accept the word of God as truth? Then there is nothing that will convince you, you wilfully disregard the proof.

I want proof that isn't stated in any Religious Texts. What I want is actual, solid evidence, other than writing, word-of-mouth, etc., that proves this.

And, allow me to re-iterate myself: HOW DO YOU KNOW IT'S THE WORD OF GOD? I may be using the wrong choice of words with "Know" here.

*Facepalm

EXPLAIN WHY IT IS THE WORD OF GOD. How do you KNOW that this is what God said to mankind? Or, rather, how have you convinced yourself into blindly accepting it?

It is quite unambiguously the word of God see -

Timothy 3:16: "All scripture is inspired by God."

You do not accept the word of God as truth? Then there is nothing that will convince you, you wilfully disregard the proof.

Question, when the Bible contradicts itself, which version is correct?

It is quite unambiguously the word of God see -

Timothy 3:16: "All scripture is inspired by God."

Does that mean the Da Vinci Code is factual because it says so?

I do not know. That is why I only believe in God.

Why do you believe in imaginary beings for which there is no evidence?

Oh my, debating this* "Christian" is like putting Michael Phelps in the Special Olympics. It's both tragic and fucking hilarious.*Yumvagoo

HEY! I'm a Christian, as well as lot of folks here, and I certainly hope we don't put forth that image! :mad:

The second definition does not refer to the Bible. It refers to a bible. As in when I refer to the books by Herzberg on the subject of molecular spectroscopy, I call them the bible because they are thorough and authoritative books in the field. This doesn't mean that the Bible has any more authority than the Iliad.

Well, it is authoritative in it's field.

He merely (incorrectly) decided that because the Bible is authoritative in it's field, that it could be authoritative in any field at his discretion. The Bible's field is Christian theology... not either history or philosophy, as he attempted to profess.

I asked him, but he's ignoring four of every five of my posts, responding only to the arguments he can handle without having a paradox of faith.

This seems to be the case. I wonder how one applies blinders before going onto a forum.

The second definition does not refer to the Bible. It refers to a bible. As in when I refer to the books by Herzberg on the subject of molecular spectroscopy, I call them the bible because they are thorough and authoritative books in the field. This doesn't mean that the Bible has any more authority than the Iliad.

Yes, there are different Bibles for different subject matter. There are many books referred to as the "musicians Bible", and others known as the "gamers Bible". The holy Bible, is the authoritative collections of knowledge on history, science, ethics and philosophy.

Well, it is authoritative in it's field.

He merely (incorrectly) decided that because the Bible is authoritative in it's field, that it could be authoritative in any field at his discretion. The Bible's field is Christian theology... not either history or philosophy, as he attempted to profess.

This is true. However, usually when one uses the word "bible" in the second definition, one is not referring to the Bible.

Yes, there are different Bibles for different subject matter. There are many books referred to as the "musicians Bible", and others known as the "gamers Bible". The holy Bible, is the authoritative collections of knowledge on history, science, ethics and philosophy.

Which version?

*Yumvagoo

HEY! I'm a Christian, as well as lot of folks here, and I certainly hope we don't put forth that image! :mad:

Mea maxima culpa.

Does that mean the Da Vinci Code is factual because it says so?

No, the Da Vinci Code does not have the word of God to add credibility and authority to what it says.

Based on a poor understanding of the big bang theory. First of all, it wasn't an explosion. It was the beginning of an expansion. Secondly... well, getting into it involves a lot of details. I suggest reading the wiki article on the subject.

I have actually studied 'big bang theories' and the 'something from nothing for no particular reason' just doesn't seem like good science. Like I said, just saying, not looking for an argument, lol.

I find it quite improbable that matter, and time started existing out of nothing, and then proceeded, without a catalyst, to explode.

But that's my logical take on the situation.

Like I said before, there is a problem of causality here. For all we know, outside our universe, the "metaverse" our universe exists within and of which rules it follows, causality may very well work in an entirely different manner as the rules of space and time are unlikely to be in any way similar to those of our own universe. As such, matter and time (being aspects strictly dependent upon the rules of our own universe) could have come to exist out of nothing or, at the very least, out of a "causal" (and I use the term loosely) principle entirely foreign to our own.

Why do you believe in imaginary beings for which there is no evidence?

Strawman, I do not. I believe in God.

Strawman, I do not. I believe in God.

Well, then you can perhaps at least still answer her question. Or provide some form of evidence.

Which version?

I find the King James Bible to be the best, but there are no significant differences between different translations.

Yes, there are different Bibles for different subject matter. There are many books referred to as the "musicians Bible", and others known as the "gamers Bible". The holy Bible, is the authoritative collections of knowledge on history, science, ethics and philosophy.

So insects have four legs? Bats are birds? The Earth is flat and has corners? The Earth is the centre of the solar system? The Sun was literally stopped in the sky for an entire day without anyone else on the planet noticing this? The Earth, including liquid water and plants was around before the Sun?

All with evidence from other sources (geological, historical, common sense) that refute these statements?

It is quite unambiguously the word of God see -

Timothy 3:16: "All scripture is inspired by God."

inspired does not mean not affected by outside interpretations. ;)

I find the King James Bible to be the best, but there are no significant differences between different translations.

:rolleyes:

No, the Da Vinci Code does not have the word of God to add credibility and authority to what it says.

This post has been inspired by God.


I DO NOT EXIST.

So insects have four legs? Bats are birds? The Earth is flat and has corners? The Earth is the centre of the solar system? The Sun was literally stopped in the sky for an entire day without anyone else on the planet noticing this? The Earth, including liquid water and plants was around before the Sun?


At the time the Bible was written, yes.


All with evidence from other sources (geological, historical, common sense) that refute these statements?

Either this 'evidence' are lies espoused by liberal atheists because they hate Christians and hate morality, or God has changed the formation of the earth and universe since the Bible was written. I have found it to be a mixture.

I find the King James Bible to be the best, but there are no significant differences between different translations.

There indeed are. King James is translated into Middle English from the Latin Vulgate, which is already a poor copy of the Bible.

You'd be far better of with something like the NIV Study Bible, which uses a lot of ancient sources, and words/explains everything much better.

Whats more is that KJV is often near-unreadable by todays standard.

I have actually studied 'big bang theories' and the 'something from nothing for no particular reason' just doesn't seem like good science. Like I said, just saying, not looking for an argument, lol.

But the Big Bang isn't "something from nothing for no particular reason" and it has observational evidence which supports it (i.e. CMBR).

Ok. There is no point in arguing with this guy. He has the armor of invincible ignorance, so don't bother arguing with him unless you guys are just messing with him, which is always fun.

inspired does not mean not affected by outside interpretations. ;)

2 Peter 1:21

At the time the Bible was written, yes.



Either this 'evidence' are lies espoused by liberal atheists because they hate Christians and hate morality, or God has changed the formation of the earth and universe since the Bible was written. I have found it to be a mixture.

oh... I haven't laughed soo hard in ages... thanks! :D


btw... do you all remember where you were when the Earth shifted from Flat to Ball shaped?

I believe in Ceiling Cat.

http://www.ceilingcat.com/index.php?pic=189

You'd be far better of with something like the NIV Study Bible, which uses a lot of ancient sources, and words/explains everything much better.


Yes I use this too.

Jeez guys, are you really this easy to troll?

Jeez guys, are you really this easy to troll?

He's funny.

2 Peter 1:21

do you know the difference between Prophecy and Scripture?

I believe in Ceiling Cat.

http://www.ceilingcat.com/index.php?pic=189

You believe in that? Have fun worshipping a ridiculously, patently false imaginary friend.

At the time the Bible was written, yes.
So insects grew two additional legs in the last 3000 years? The Earth magically made itself round in this time? The Sun moved to the centre of the solar system and the Earth began to orbit it?

Either this 'evidence' are lies espoused by liberal atheists because they hate Christians and hate morality, or God has changed the formation of the earth and universe since the Bible was written. I have found it to be a mixture.

So the fact that there is absolutely no evidence for a global flood when one looks at geological records, historical records from other civilizations which continued uninterrupted throughout this flood, the fact that the distribution of animals on the continents refutes this et c... is invented by liberal atheists?

Jeez guys, are you really this easy to troll?

it's like watching a child argue with an adult. you just want to hear what he'll say next.

So insects grew two additional legs in the last 3000 years? The Earth magically made itself round in this time? The Sun moved to the centre of the solar system and the Earth began to orbit it?



So the fact that there is absolutely no evidence for a global flood when one looks at geological records, historical records from other civilizations which continued uninterrupted throughout this flood, the fact that the distribution of animals on the continents refutes this et c... is invented by liberal atheists?

Yes, yes it is. The liberals are out to genocide the believers.

do you know the difference between Prophecy and Scripture?

If you require further proof of its authority, I suggest you at first read Psalms and Job, and then look at archaeological evidence.

I believe in Ceiling Cat.

http://www.ceilingcat.com/index.php?pic=189

:D

http://img510.imageshack.us/img510/6190/ceilingcatel9.jpg

If you require further proof of its authority, I suggest you at first read Psalms and Job, and then look at archaeological evidence and then alter your findings to match.


Fixed.

You believe in that? Have fun worshipping a ridiculously, patently false imaginary friend.

You have neither a sense of humor nor a sense of the ridiculous, do you? Oh well, it's to be expected.

Yes, yes it is. The liberals are out to genocide the believers.

And I'll bet it's those durned athiest who inflated the flat earth just to disprove god's exisitance.

So insects grew two additional legs in the last 3000 years? The Earth magically made itself round in this time? The Sun moved to the centre of the solar system and the Earth began to orbit it?


Yes.


So the fact that there is absolutely no evidence for a global flood when one looks at geological records, historical records from other civilizations which continued uninterrupted throughout this flood, the fact that the distribution of animals on the continents refutes this et c... is invented by liberal atheists?

Again, the evidence was either covered up by atheists, or God has changed the surface of the earth in such a way to remove evidence.

Yes, yes it is. The liberals are out to genocide the believers.

No, they are not out to do that. They just hate the love and compassion that Christians preach, so they want to undermine it.

Yes.



Again, the evidence was either covered up by atheists, or God has changed the surface of the earth in such a way to remove evidence.

I'm sorry in this class all gods are required to show their work.

If you require further proof of its authority, I suggest you at first read Psalms and Job, and then look at archaeological evidence.

Translation: 'no'

Yes.



Again, the evidence was either covered up by atheists, or God has changed the surface of the earth in such a way to remove evidence.

Did you know that God commands you to buy a bridge in Brooklyn from me? It's in John 4:13. That will be $100,000 please.

I'm sorry in this class all gods are required to show their work.

That makes it much harder to cheat off Allah's homework though, sheesh...



Teacher's a hardass, :p

Again, the evidence was either covered up by atheists, or God has changed the surface of the earth in such a way to remove evidence.

yes your honor, the victims body was here, but because it's no longer there, it must mean that the murdered person got up and walked away. we are still prosecuting the killer for that murder your honor...

Did you know that God commands you to buy a bridge in Brooklyn from me? It's in John 4:13. That will be $100,000 please.

No it does not. I know liberals are fond of lying and deception, but I am confident you can find God and repent. Please read the Bible.

No, they are not out to do that. They just hate the love and compassion that Christians preach, so they want to undermine it.

Yes, that they preach but do not practice.

Are you the love child of Hammurab and Valentasia?

Why do you believe in imaginary beings for which there is no evidence?

That evidence is what's known as "the secrets of the universe" Mankind would not be able to understand. Ever watch any of those animal channels? Different types of monkeys react different to a mirror. Some species groom themselves. Others can only see another monkey. Sorry be we are that stupid monkey that just could not possibly understand.

Again, the evidence was either covered up by atheists, or God has changed the surface of the earth in such a way to remove evidence.

Ok, your argument here makes no sense. If atheists actually had proof of the existence of a God who will damn us to Hell for all eternity for not believing in him, why would these atheists still be an atheist? Conspiracy fail

As an atheist liberal I would like to come clean and admit to going round gluing an extra pair of legs onto all the insects in the world. Whew my conscience is clear now.

No it does not. I know liberals are fond of lying and deception, but I am confident you can find God and repent. Please read the Bible.

I have read the Bible. It killed my faith in God.

Also, that was more of a gullibility test than a lie. I figured that if you're gullible to believe what you just said, you'd buy just about anything. Apparently there's something else afoot.

I believe in Ceiling Cat.

http://www.ceilingcat.com/index.php?pic=189

I rather Ceiling Kat... Don't have a pic of that, but I'm sure the Glorious Kat will provide one for us. :hail:

Ok, your argument here makes no sense. If atheists actually had proof of the existence of a God who will damn us to Hell for all eternity for not believing in him, why would these atheists still be an atheist? Conspiracy fail

I suspect the devil had some work in making these atheists believe in such sophistry, to know there is a God, but to believe there isn't, and to hate the love Christians preach.

I suspect the devil had some work in making these atheists believe in such sophistry, to know there is a God, but to believe there isn't, and to hate the love Christians preach.

I hear no love from you, thus you are no Christian

I have read the Bible. It killed my faith in God.


Only demons can kill faith, I suggest you make an appointment with your local exorcist.

I suspect the devil had some work in making these atheists believe in such sophistry, to know there is a God, but to believe there isn't, and to hate the love Christians preach.

wait... first you claim that God 'removed' all the evidence of his existence... now it's the devil?

I suspect the devil had some work in making these atheists believe in such sophistry, to know there is a God, but to believe there isn't, and to hate the love Christians preach.

http://billdunlap.files.wordpress.com/2008/11/god-hates-fags1.jpg

...?

I hear no love from you, thus you are no Christian

I love you, and everyone on NSG, despite your satanic influence.

I don't believe in god. I am god, and I acknowledge the fact of my own existence. Faith is not required.


Although I believe in LG.

*splits an offering of tacos with you* :)

Only demons can kill faith, I suggest you make an appointment with your local exorcist.

I can't say that I ever believed in demons.

wait... first you claim that God 'removed' all the evidence of his existence... now it's the devil?

No, the devil only influenced the minds of the atheists.

http://billdunlap.files.wordpress.com/2008/11/god-hates-fags1.jpg

...?

My point exactly

Only demons can kill faith, I suggest you make an appointment with your local exorcist.

Faith has nothing to do with fact. May I see some scientifically supported, incontrovertable fact, please?

Oh, and how old are you? Surely not old enough to know better?

http://billdunlap.files.wordpress.com/2008/11/god-hates-fags1.jpg

...?

No true Christian would hold up such vile signs. Hate the sin, not the sinner.

You sit naked on top of some hillside while a creepy old white dude with a beard is giving you the ET-phone-home gesture and see what happens to you! If ever there's a recipe for shrinkage, that's gotta be it.

Touche' :tongue:

No true Christian would hold up such vile signs. Hate the sin, not the sinner.

Ah, so we get into the true Christian thing now. I suppose that you are such a true Christian with your complete denial of the real world and supposition of demons now?

No true Christian would hold up such vile signs. Hate the sin, not the sinner.

Yet here you sit preaching against the evils of atheism... Morality fail
And why would a truly kind God damn someone to Hell after their mind has been corrupted by a force more powerful than them?

Ah, so we get into the true Christian thing now. I suppose that you are such a true Christian with your complete denial of the real world and supposition of demons now?

I think of myself as a true Christian, yes. However, I do not deny reality. I embrace it!

Yet here you sit preaching against the evils of atheism... Morality fail

Yes, I hate atheism, but not atheists.


And why would a truly kind God damn someone to Hell after their mind has been corrupted by a force more powerful than them?

The Bible has the answers you seek.

I think of myself as a true Christian, yes. However, I do not deny reality. I embrace it!

No you don't.

I believe in God. Can someone mid tellin me were u guys left off?

The Bible has the answers you seek.

But Satan has already corrupted my mind so much that I scoff at the Bible. Why would a kind God allow that to happen in the first place?

But Satan has already corrupted my mind so much that I scoff at the Bible. Why would a kind God allow that to happen in the first place?

God works in mysterious ways.

No, the devil only influenced the minds of the atheists.

and I believe the devil also influences the minds of those who believe. ;)

I think of myself as a true Christian, yes. However, I do not deny reality. I embrace it!
not according to your previous posts.

I believe in God. Can someone mid tellin me were u guys left off?

What you have missed so far is lies by liberal atheists in an attempt to undermine my compassion.

I believe in Ceiling Cat.

http://www.ceilingcat.com/index.php?pic=189

http://img518.imageshack.us/img518/2371/ceilinggod.jpg

:D

God works in mysterious ways.

Oh, I just love that argument. So perfect, there is no way to really respond to that. "God works in ways beyond our comprehension." That is always an answer I get from desperate Christians. We're actually getting to you. Wow, this is pretty rare for me to get this far.

What you have missed so far is lies by liberal atheists in an attempt to undermine my compassion.

I have yet to see any compassion from you yet. So far, all I've seen is you saying we have been corrupted and that everything that we feel to be true is a lie! Not compassion at all.

Oh, I just love that argument. So perfect, there is no way to really respond to that. "God works in ways beyond our comprehension." That is always an answer I get from desperate Christians. We're actually getting to you. Wow, this is pretty rare for me to get this far.

You are not getting to me. You are asking me why these souls will go to hell, I do not know that, to proclaim that they are is me acting as a judge in the matter which is a sin, only God is the judge. I have already flagellated myself for this earlier, please do not force me to do it again.

This thread is divine in its amusement value. :D

I have yet to see any compassion from you yet. So far, all I've seen is you saying we have been corrupted and that everything that we feel to be true is a lie! Not compassion at all.

What? How is revealing the truth not compassion? You would rather be kept in ignorance?

http://img518.imageshack.us/img518/2371/ceilinggod.jpg

:D

Ceiling Cat is not amused.

Ceiling Cat is not amused.

Please do not speculate over false Gods whilst serious discussions over theology are taking place.

If Satan has corrupted your mind then theres two things you can do.

1. You can say all hope is lost and go on living your life how you normally lived it.

or

2. You can pray and ask God to forgive you for your sins.

I see well Im not one of them

If Satan has corrupted your mind then theres two things you can do.

1. You can say all hope is lost and go on living your life how you normally lived it.

or

2. You can pray and ask God to forgive you for your sins.

Indeed. Praying to God is an effective alleviation, but it does not always work, if the demon has shielded the soul too tightly. I always suggest an exorcism, just to be sure.

*looks in mirror*

Yes, I believe in God. I see Him every day.

If Satan has corrupted your mind then theres two things you can do.

1. You can say all hope is lost and go on living your life how you normally lived it.

or

2. You can pray and ask God to forgive you for your sins.

Ah, but again, Satan has corrupted my mind so that I am now incapable of believing in God. Why would he allow that?

I see well Im not one of them

We should work together to compassionately reveal the truth.

Ceiling Cat is not amused.

Ceiling Cat is more than capable of letting you know when he is not amused:

http://www.boomspeed.com/looonatic/Cc-beams.gif

Please do not speculate over false Gods whilst serious discussions over theology are taking place.Could you point me in the direction of these 'serious discussions'?

Could you point me in the direction of these 'serious discussions'?

Nice

Could you point me in the direction of these 'serious discussions'?

I could. But I won't. :D

Yes.

Could you point me in the direction of these 'serious discussions'?

It is true that it is difficult to have a serious discussion with ignorant atheists.

It is true that it is difficult to have a serious discussion with ignorant atheists.

again with the insults

Could you point me in the direction of these 'serious discussions'?

When I see them I'll let you know.

again with the insults

It is not an insult, many on this earth are ignorant.

It is true that it is difficult to have a serious discussion with ignorant atheists.

In all fairness, you probably won't do any better with well informed atheists. :p

it is true that it is difficult to have a serious discussion with ignorant atheists.

rlmfao.

But it is hard to have a serious discussion with ignorant Christians. I enjoy it to much to be serious

It is true that it is difficult to have a serious discussion with ignorant atheists.

Good thing the other kind hang around here now isn't it?

In all fairness, you probably won't do any better with well informed atheists. :p

Such a thing does not exist. We enlightened call that a contradiction in terms.

ignorant Christians.

Another oxymoron? Or are you referring to an ignorant atheist claiming to be Christian?

Such a thing does not exist. We enlightened call that a contradiction in terms.

Buddha!:eek2:

Such a thing does not exist. We enlightened call that a contradiction in terms.

Continuing to rlmfao.

Buddha!:eek2:

Buddha was never enlightened, he is but another ignorant and delusional atheist.

I usually interpret god with a capital "g" to be the Judeo-Christian God and god with a lowercase "g" to mean any random non-specific god.
Quite the prejudgment inherent in that. Christian I presume?

Buddha!:eek2:

Strange, Buddha's different than I wouldve imagined...

Buddha was never enlightened, he is but another ignorant and delusional atheist.

Ok, I'm bored with you now. You're no longer amusing.

Continuing to rlmfao.

I'm not sure what 'rlmfao' is, it sounds like a nasty cough. You may be sick, seek your local priest at once before it gets serious.

Another oxymoron? Or are you referring to an ignorant atheist claiming to be Christian?

No, I'm taking about Christians who walk around claiming the moral high ground and never even begin to consider the thought that atheists might be right. Most atheists begin life theists. Hell, the first 12 years of my life were spent at church, but then I grew up and realized that all that time I had felt nothing, and that everything had been a lie. But most Christians were born Christian. Hell, Christians can't even agree amongst themselves who is right.

Quite the prejudgment inherent in that. Christian I presume?

Actually, no. This is how the English language works as far as I'm aware. Since other gods have names other than "god" usually when someone talks about God, they are talking about the Christian God. I usually refer to the Christian God as "the Christian God" to remove any ambiguity, but most people don't do this and simply assume that by "God", everyone understands that they mean the Christian one.

Buddha was never enlightened, he is but another ignorant and delusional atheist.

At the risk of damning my immortal soul I should point out that there are many paths to enlightenment, not just Christian.