NationStates Jolt Archive

We have free healthcare here, and men still have the same problem. Perhaps this is an older generation thing...people in my dad's generation are notorious for this. It's stupid.

Ah, in that case I have no idea. I have, however, seen an older man fixing a fence (in his 80s), and put a nail through his finger with a nail gun. Well, I didn't see how it happened exactly, but he had a big hole in his finger (skin on both sides - a hole).

He doused it in alcohol, wrapped it, and went back to work.

What was it you said, earlier.... "bitch, please", right?

Bring it on. Now there's the proper attitude!

I don't mind getting my ass handed to me, but I'd like to dust it up from time to time. I'm not talking about someone passively letting me wail on them. Unless I really wanted to Domme someone. But I'm a very physical person. Unfortunately most guys I've known are not okay with that, so I have to refrain.

Though there really is nothing better than the surprised look a person gets when they think, 'aww, that little girl can't hurt me'.


:D

I'm not sure I buy into the whole 'tolerance of pain' thing. I know I wouldn't want to give birth, because - let's face it - it does look uncomfortable... but I don't think that's an intolerance of pain, it's just avoidance. (and, in that particular case, an avoidance that will be fairly easy to achieve).
Tattoo artists I've spoken to say that in nearly all cases, men are blabbering pussies when they get inked, and women can take it for a lot longer. I know for a fact I have an extremely high tolerance for pain. Not tolerance for annoyances mind you...it doesn't make me immune to being bothered by a stone in my shoe...but I can endure things that some people get all screamy about.

I used to test my theory out on my brothers. Does that hurt? OWW! Does that hurt? OWWWWW! They'd do it to me to get me back, and I'd laugh and get them again while their guard was down. Don't tell them though, I think they blocked it out.

Now there's the proper attitude!

I don't mind getting my ass handed to me, but I'd like to dust it up from time to time. I'm not talking about someone passively letting me wail on them. Unless I really wanted to Domme someone. But I'm a very physical person. Unfortunately most guys I've known are not okay with that, so I have to refrain.

Though there really is nothing better than the surprised look a person gets when they think, 'aww, that little girl can't hurt me'.


True though...

*whistles*


Tattoo artists I've spoken to say that in nearly all cases, men are blabbering pussies when they get inked, and women can take it for a lot longer.


I have no basis for comparison. I've only one tattoo, and I'm pretty sure I didn't cry.

:)


I know for a fact I have an extremely high tolerance for pain. Not tolerance for annoyances mind you...it doesn't make me immune to being bothered by a stone in my shoe...but I can endure things that some people get all screamy about.

I used to test my theory out on my brothers. Does that hurt? OWW! Does that hurt? OWWWWW! They'd do it to me to get me back, and I'd laugh and get them again while their guard was down. Don't tell them though, I think they blocked it out.

LOL.

I think tolerance to pain probably (like most things) varies more between the extremes in one set, than between two sets.

True though...

*whistles*

*grins* Try me. Whether I'm right, or wrong, I'm going to enjoy it.

I have no basis for comparison. I've only one tattoo, and I'm pretty sure I didn't cry.

:)

LOL.

I think tolerance to pain probably (like most things) varies more between the extremes in one set, than between two sets.
:p

Though there really is nothing better than the surprised look a person gets when they think, 'aww, that little girl can't hurt me'.

as someone once wrote.
"Beware when your opponent's head is level with your waist... their teeth are level with your groin."

Now there's the proper attitude!

I don't mind getting my ass handed to me, but I'd like to dust it up from time to time. I'm not talking about someone passively letting me wail on them. Unless I really wanted to Domme someone. But I'm a very physical person. Unfortunately most guys I've known are not okay with that, so I have to refrain.

Though there really is nothing better than the surprised look a person gets when they think, 'aww, that little girl can't hurt me'.

Aww, that little girl can't hurt me.

No, seriously. You can't. I recomment you bring very large blunt weapons or a gun.

as someone once wrote.
"Beware when your opponent's head is level with your waist... their teeth are level with your groin."

Nor can you run away when someone's biting at your ankles. *nods*

*grins* Try me. Whether I'm right, or wrong, I'm going to enjoy it.


It would certainly be a sight to see... you're like... five feet and some attitude, or something, right? 100lbs in wet pajamas?

Aww, that little girl can't hurt me.

No, seriously. You can't. I recomment you bring very large blunt weapons or a gun.

Lol.

I don't think I've ever gone up against an opponent who was anywhere near my size. I'm just too damn tiny.

I didn't always win. In grade 2. After that I had a pretty good record.

Though to be fair, with men, it's always more of a suprise/stun, run the fuck away sort of thing if they don't fall on their ass after the first punch. I'm not stupid, just...headstrong.

as someone once wrote.
"Beware when your opponent's head is level with your waist... their teeth are level with your groin."

This is true!

Next time I fight Sin, I have to remember to wear bite-proof pants.

:D

It would certainly be a sight to see... you're like... five feet and some attitude, or something, right? 100lbs in wet pajamas?

100lbs, damn, give me some credit, I've got a nice thick ass, and some D cups. I'm a whole 123lbs thank you very much. Spot on with the height though, an even 5'.

And hon, I don't care how big you are, it fucking HURTS when someone clocks you anywhere in the face, or groin, as the case may be.

Oddly enough, I've never had to jump to hit someone in the face. I mean...maybe I have, little bunny hop, that would be amusing...but I never noticed having to do it. It's kind of like how it's not all that difficult to figure out how to fuck when someone is a head or so taller than you.

Lol.

I don't think I've ever gone up against an opponent who was anywhere near my size. I'm just too damn tiny.

I didn't always win. In grade 2. After that I had a pretty good record.

Though to be fair, with men, it's always more of a suprise/stun, run the fuck away sort of thing if they don't fall on their ass after the first punch. I'm not stupid, just...headstrong.

If you're lucky it won't really hurt. I tend to just smile when it doesn't really hurt. If I start laughing, but I look angry, run. Seriously. I'm one of those loons that for most of their life absolutely refused to get angry until they were suddenly trying to kill someone. I handle rage much better now, but there's still a little crazy person left inside me. He was tasty.

100lbs, damn, give me some credit, I've got a nice thick ass, and some D cups. I'm a whole 123lbs thank you very much. Spot on with the height though, an even 5'.

And hon, I don't care how big you are, it fucking HURTS when someone clocks you anywhere in the face, or groin, as the case may be.

Oddly enough, I've never had to jump to hit someone in the face. I mean...maybe I have, little bunny hop, that would be amusing...but I never noticed having to do it. It's kind of like how it's not all that difficult to figure out how to fuck when someone is a head or so taller than you.

No, it doesn't. That's what endorphines are for. It hurts when I step on a tack. It hurts when I get a tattoo. Getting punched in the face is just funny.

This is true!

Next time I fight Sin, I have to remember to wear bite-proof pants.

:D

You'd have thought you'd have thought of that the first time you fought Sin. By the way, am I the only one amused by someone called graven idol fighting sin?

100lbs, damn, give me some credit, I've got a nice thick ass, and some D cups. I'm a whole 123lbs thank you very much. Spot on with the height though, an even 5'.


I remember you saying you were kinda short, I don't remember the sweet ass getting it's own mention. :)

So - I don't quite make two of you.


And hon, I don't care how big you are, it fucking HURTS when someone clocks you anywhere in the face, or groin, as the case may be.


The kick to the groin, maybe - but anyone who has had more than a couple of fights probably won't get much but mad out of face-hits.


Oddly enough, I've never had to jump to hit someone in the face. I mean...maybe I have, little bunny hop, that would be amusing...


That would be fucking killer.

It would be worth fighting you just to see it.


...but I never noticed having to do it. It's kind of like how it's not all that difficult to figure out how to fuck when someone is a head or so taller than you.

I was going to make a comment about not actually having to punch people during sex.....

...but then I remembered who I was talking to. :p

Getting punched in the face is just funny.

This. I think you can only take so many whacks in the head before they lose their novelty. :)

You'd have thought you'd have thought of that the first time you fought Sin. By the way, am I the only one amused by someone called graven idol fighting sin?

Hadn't thought about it. Now, you're not the only one amused.

:D

The kick to the groin, maybe - but anyone who has had more than a couple of fights probably won't get much but mad out of face-hits.

Groin kicks, too. You learn to avoid them because they hurt later, but usually they're just aggravating.

This. I think you can only take so many whacks in the head before they lose their novelty. :)

What I wanna see is her trying to kick me in the face. Now that would NEVER lose it's novelty.

For the record, my brother once got hit so hard he flew completely over a car (width). He landed on his head and shoulders, jumped up, bleeding pretty well from the back of his head and said, "that's it? I thought you could fight." Also for the record, he shit himself that night, but we're not sure if that was due to alcohol or the head injury.

What I wanna see is her trying to kick me in the face. Now that would NEVER lose it's novelty.


That'd have to be some kind of ninja-class splits kick. Well.. unless she stood on something first, but that's just not cricket. :D


For the record, my brother once got hit so hard he flew completely over a car (width). He landed on his head and shoulders, jumped up, bleeding pretty well from the back of his head and said, "that's it? I thought you could fight." Also for the record, he shit himself that night, but we're not sure if that was due to alcohol or the head injury.

Ah, that's the sort of story that's always funny.

That'd have to be some kind of ninja-class splits kick. Well.. unless she stood on something first, but that's just not cricket. :D



Ah, that's the sort of story that's always funny.

It smelled so bad, it woke my sister up. (They were sleeping on the two parts of an L-shaped couch. Shut up! We're not from TN, I just work there.)

It smelled so bad, it woke my sister up. (They were sleeping on the two parts of an L-shaped couch. Shut up! We're not from TN, I just work there.)

That's just wrong, on so many levels.

Why are some women totally normal on their period, and other women are the devil incarnate on their period? Is it just a matter of the former internalizing the rage the latter express outwardly?

That's just wrong, on so many levels.

Speaking of which, you up for a beer tomorrow night. I'll let you punch me in the head.

Why are some women totally normal on their period, and other women are the devil incarnate on their period? Is it just a matter of the former internalizing the rage the latter express outwardly?

Yes and planter's warts. In that order.

Also, why do men feel the need to get people to resmell things for them? "Does this smell bad to you?" YESSSS!! YES, IT SMELLS BAD! THIS WAS MILK WHEN WE BOUGHT IT. NOT COTTAGE CHEESE.

Why do women always wanna take half? :p

Why do women always wanna take half? :p

Huh, maybe it's just too long?

Yes and planter's warts. In that order.

Also, why do men feel the need to get people to resmell things for them? "Does this smell bad to you?" YESSSS!! YES, IT SMELLS BAD! THIS WAS MILK WHEN WE BOUGHT IT. NOT COTTAGE CHEESE.

Totally related: Does anyone else think milk smells spoiled, no matter what? I have smelled milk fresh from a farm and it always smells like it's gone bad. I make people smell milk just purchased at the grocery store; milk I KNOW hasn't gone bad yet. But it always smells bad to me. Am I the only one who is like this?

Totally related: Does anyone else think milk smells spoiled, no matter what? I have smelled milk fresh from a farm and it always smells like it's gone bad. I make people smell milk just purchased at the grocery store; milk I KNOW hasn't gone bad yet. But it always smells bad to me. Am I the only one who is like this?

Poor it in a glass. Try again. Usually people who say this are smelling the dried milk on the mouth of the bottle.

You'd have thought you'd have thought of that the first time you fought Sin. By the way, am I the only one amused by someone called graven idol fighting sin?
Okay that's amusing.
I remember you saying you were kinda short, I don't remember the sweet ass getting it's own mention. :)

So - I don't quite make two of you.

The kick to the groin, maybe - but anyone who has had more than a couple of fights probably won't get much but mad out of face-hits.
True enough. It was shocking, and painful the first few times it happened. But then again, most people haven't really been in many fights, so that's usually an advantage you have.
That would be fucking killer.

It would be worth fighting you just to see it. awww look! She bunny hops when she's mad!

I was going to make a comment about not actually having to punch people during sex.....

...but then I remembered who I was talking to. :p

Well played.

What I wanna see is her trying to kick me in the face. Now that would NEVER lose it's novelty.



That'd have to be some kind of ninja-class splits kick. Well.. unless she stood on something first, but that's just not cricket. :D


Oh come on now, it's not that freaking hard to kick someone in the face. Jesus fuck, I'm short, but I'm not a dwarf. You're going to be what, a foot, a foot and a half taller than me? I can kick over my head, I can get you in the chin at least, more if I have some space. Pffft. The trick is not reaching, it's doing it quickly enough to actually hit a person....and not losing your balance in the process. Which is why when one has been drinking profusely, tis better to plant thy feet and slug away with one's fists.

Regarding milk and other foodstuffs; I have a very poor sense of smell (lost it almost entirely around age five after an adenoidectomy, slowly regained it since), so I generally disregard smell as a factor and go entirely on the use-by date.

Regarding the psychological division between men and women, as regards shopping; I have read that this is due to evolution (and bear in mind that evolutionary psychology is a protoscience in that its premises are fundamentally untestable). Basically women were gathering berries and things while the men were off sticking sticks into antelopes. For a woman, it's advantageous to check every berry bush in case there are berries on it, whereas for men, it's more a case of "that antelope looks about like what I'm after, now let's chase it! AOOOGAH!"

... actually, that could explain human mating habits to some degree. "That woman looks about like what I'm after, now I'll chase her! AOOOGAH!"

Regarding the whole "chasing him/chasing her" thing; sorry, I am not going to chase you (Edit: Generic "you", for clarity's sake). I can't be arsed. I realize that this is, evolutionarily, putting me back against all the Manly Manly Men who have pure testosterone oozing from their pores and are perfectly happy to chase you down and fuck you like an antelope, but really, meh. I don't want to have to convince you that you should be in a relationship with me; if you find me attractive we should be able to discuss things like adults ... wait. Like rational human beings ... wait. Like Vulcans ... wait, there's that whole "sex only every seven years" thing.

... that explains a lot. :D

Going on from this, yes women should say if they're interested. Men are, generally, a hell of a lot less subtle than women, and will not notice a lot of social subtext. Women are generally far more social, and socially adept, than men. We are less likely to realize that you are playing mind games.

... now admittedly I may not be the most typical of males to proffer Internet Wisdom™, because I was socially isolated throughout my teenage years (which seems to be when people figure out how interpersonal relationships work). This means that I suffer frequent attacks of Aargh you stupid monkeys! and really, really dislike all the bullshit in interpersonal relationships.

Addendum; evolutionary psychology can fall into evolutionary typecasting and fail miserably, because while all the dudes were off chasing antelopes, there was one guy with a crap leg who had to stay behind and pick berries with the women ... and you know that that guy was having a lot of sex.

Why are some women totally normal on their period, and other women are the devil incarnate on their period? Is it just a matter of the former internalizing the rage the latter express outwardly?

Yes and planter's warts. In that order.

Also, why do men feel the need to get people to resmell things for them? "Does this smell bad to you?" YESSSS!! YES, IT SMELLS BAD! THIS WAS MILK WHEN WE BOUGHT IT. NOT COTTAGE CHEESE.

Why do women always wanna take half? :p

Huh, maybe it's just too long?
I usually have the better sense of smell, so I'm always fucking having to smell things. What I DON'T understand is someone with a normal sense of smell taking a whiff, grimacing, and going, hey smell this! FUCK no. I just saw your reaction, I suspect it smells bad, why the hell do you need me to confirm this for you!? Hey, I just farted, wanna smell? Idiots.

As for period insanity, dunno. I notice that there is about one day a month where I have a lower libido, and one different day where everything pisses me off. Usually I notice right away, and try to mitigate it, but sometimes I just let that bitch go.

Who knows, some women's hormones could cause them more trouble, or they could just be using it as an excuse. I do this in other areas, because I can (see my example about getting to stare inappropriately at women when you yourself are female).

Come on. Maybe it's just too long was a GREAT reply.

Come on. Maybe it's just too long was a GREAT reply.I lol'd, but I figured you could stroke your..ego...all by yourself.

I lol'd, but I figured you could stroke your..ego...all by yourself.

For the record, she wants to take all of it.

Why when you ask a man to do something he takes his sweet time and if you question whether he's going to do it or not (after 2-12 hours) he gets bitchy but if he asks you to do something he expects you to drop everything and get it done?

Why do women come on here and ask questions about a very specific man and act like they're generalizing?

For the record, she wants to take all of it.Fah, and you totally didn't comment on my 'I've seen longer' post in the USian thread, so hush.

Why do women come on here and ask questions about a very specific man and act like they're generalizing?

For the same reason the men are doing it.

Quite simple.

Fah, and you totally didn't comment on my 'I've seen longer' post in the USian thread, so hush.

I almost said, but it's the thickest you've seen.

Why do women come on here and ask questions about a very specific man and act like they're generalizing?

Nuh-huh, I'm asking about 4 specific men.

Oh! A question! Why do men avoid going to the doctor? It's so freaking annoying.

Because it will be alright I'll get over it.

Also, why do men feel the need to get people to resmell things for them? "Does this smell bad to you?" YESSSS!! YES, IT SMELLS BAD! THIS WAS MILK WHEN WE BOUGHT IT. NOT COTTAGE CHEESE.

Actually I find a lot of women doing that.

Why do women insist that things must be celebrated when it isn't something major.

I love giving people that kiss. And cuz I'm short like Pacino, it works on many levels :D

The vast majority of women I've dated have been anywhere from a foot to eight inches shorter than I am, and if they wanted a kiss, most of them ended up either pulling on my shirtfront or adopting the Michael Corleone method.

Oh! A question! Why do men avoid going to the doctor? It's so freaking annoying.

Because unless we've managed to misplace an arm or something, we can generally take care of it ourselves. Besides, the doctor's going to charge us 80$ and still not going to tell us anything we don't already know. 'Yeah, looks like you have the flu, stay in bed and drink plenty of liquids' Really? What was it that tipped you off, was it when I told you I had the flu? Also, as a side note, 'drink plenty of liquids'? As opposed to what? I wasn't really planning on drinking solids, Doc.

I waved my tiny little fists in the air in impotent rage as well!

I really do wish though that more men would consent to me kicking their asses. *sigh* Fucking pussies and your low tolerance for pain.

I'd fight you. If you promised there was clothes-ripping involved.

I bruise very easily.

I'd fight you. If you promised there was clothes-ripping involved.

I bruise very easily.

Kinky don't forget the kddie pool with 3 inches of honey in it.

Tattoo artists I've spoken to say that in nearly all cases, men are blabbering pussies when they get inked, and women can take it for a lot longer.

I have no idea how my tolerance for pain ranks against everyone else's, but my tattoos were very bearable. It was pretty uncomfortable over my spine, but bearable without gasps or grimaces.

The last thing that I can remember hurting so much that it brought me to tears was a test for nerve damage that involved sticking needles in my back and the backs of my thighs and poking them around until they touched nerves. And I waited until the doctor left to cry.

I have no idea how my tolerance for pain ranks against everyone else's, but my tattoos were very bearable. It was pretty uncomfortable over my spine, but bearable without gasps or grimaces.

Yeah, I'm pretty tattooed up as well, and it's never been a problem for me to bear up under it, either.


Here's a question for y'all: When I was younger and more prone to foolish stunts than I am now, I once put three lit cigarettes out on my fore-arm to win a bet on pain tolerance. Why is it, do you think, that men are more prone to doing stupid things on a bet, or just to see what happens, then women?

I waved my tiny little fists in the air in impotent rage as well!

I really do wish though that more men would consent to me kicking their asses. *sigh* Fucking pussies and your low tolerance for pain.

I'd let you beat me. Would there be whips involved?

I'd let you beat me. Would there be whips involved?

She'd break you, pup.

Oh! A question! Why do men avoid going to the doctor? It's so freaking annoying.

Because you can't afford insurance, and even if you can you still can't afford to see the Dr.

She'd break you, pup.

I'm sure I could handle her.

Oh! A question! Why do men avoid going to the doctor? It's so freaking annoying.

'Cos they always ask me drop my trousers and have very, very cold hands.

We don't like spending money unless it's necessary. Most sicknesses go away with tomato soup and OJ.
Doesn't work - outside of America we do not have to pay. We still don't go.

100lbs, damn, give me some credit, I've got a nice thick ass, and some D cups. I'm a whole 123lbs thank you very much. Spot on with the height though, an even 5'.

And hon, I don't care how big you are, it fucking HURTS when someone clocks you anywhere in the face, or groin, as the case may be.

Oddly enough, I've never had to jump to hit someone in the face. I mean...maybe I have, little bunny hop, that would be amusing...but I never noticed having to do it. It's kind of like how it's not all that difficult to figure out how to fuck when someone is a head or so taller than you.
For reference, I have practice being ... ah.. accidentally kicked in the balls a number of times by a black belt that I had traumatized back when we were both small children.

After the first couple times, you stop displaying outward signs of pain.

I'd fight you. If you promised there was clothes-ripping involved.

I bruise very easily.

I didn't think it was possibly for you to be any more awesome than you already are.


You have proven me wrong.

Speaking of which, you up for a beer tomorrow night. I'll let you punch me in the head.

Tomorrow night would probably actually be tonight, now.

This weekend is a bit out, but we'll have to do it soon - there's no really good excuse, right now. :)

Oh come on now, it's not that freaking hard to kick someone in the face. Jesus fuck, I'm short, but I'm not a dwarf. You're going to be what, a foot, a foot and a half taller than me? I can kick over my head, I can get you in the chin at least, more if I have some space. Pffft. The trick is not reaching, it's doing it quickly enough to actually hit a person....and not losing your balance in the process. Which is why when one has been drinking profusely, tis better to plant thy feet and slug away with one's fists.

Kicking over YOUR head isn't that much of an achievement... *whistles*

What I was actually referring to, is that both Jocabia and I are substantially over 6 feet tall - which means kicking someone (especially effectively) in the head practically puts your legs in an aligned, vertical, plane. Ish.

Which, while cool, isn't necessarily easily.

Which, while cool, isn't necessarily easily.

It's not hard though, is it?

True enough. It was shocking, and painful the first few times it happened. But then again, most people haven't really been in many fights, so that's usually an advantage you have.


True, this.


awww look! She bunny hops when she's mad!


Awesome.


Well played.

*bows*

It's not hard though, is it?

Kicking someone... higher than your head? I couldn't do it.

Kicking someone... higher than your head? I couldn't do it.

You're just not young and supple enough.

I'd let you beat me. Would there be whips involved?

I like the way you think you'd 'let' her...

You so cute.

You're just not young and supple enough.

No Shit, Sherlock.

I dunno, we generally like hot women to know that they're hot. Too many women subscribe to the "I'm not really that pretty" school of thought.
Because I think it's true. I took a good look at the human race, and realized that 90% of all women are ugly. The number seems to be at 85% for men.

Just my opinion.

Kicking over YOUR head isn't that much of an achievement... *whistles*

What I was actually referring to, is that both Jocabia and I are substantially over 6 feet tall - which means kicking someone (especially effectively) in the head practically puts your legs in an aligned, vertical, plane. Ish.

Which, while cool, isn't necessarily easily.

*sigh* Have you ever taken kickboxing?

This is a situation where you may get to see me bunny hopping if you expect a front kick :P

Kicking someone... higher than your head? I couldn't do it.
Really? That's weirdness.

I don't know how many guys have made simliar comments to me 'oh you couldn't reach my head', and I very slowly (because I don't actually want to hurt them) show them they are wrong. Tap, right on the ear with the top of my foot.


Hmmm, oddly enough I always seem to be wearing a skirt when this happens.../jk

Really? That's weirdness.

I don't know how many guys have made simliar comments to me 'oh you couldn't reach my head', and I very slowly (because I don't actually want to hurt them) show them they are wrong. Tap, right on the ear with the top of my foot.


Hmmm, oddly enough I always seem to be wearing a skirt when this happens.../jk

Too late. I pictured it. Meanwhile, I strongly suspect you'd be sorry if you TRIED to kick me in the head. You'd be similarly sorry if you tried to punch me in the foot.

Too late. I pictured it. Meanwhile, I strongly suspect you'd be sorry if you TRIED to kick me in the head. You'd be similarly sorry if you tried to punch me in the foot.

Hey, if you were all 'oh ha ha you couldn't reach me', and I did, it's your fucking fault. Yes, I am ignoring the punched foot comment.

Okay, with all this silly talk of violence that I started...

Why do so many women think it's okay to hit/punch/pinch/whatever men, yet would get absolutely outraged if the same was done to them, even if it were the same level they were dishing out?

I'm sort of hitty. Like, not hard or anything, but I'll smack someone (male or female) on the shoulder in mock outrage if they've burned me well. I've learned which friends can take it and which don't like it, and act accordingly. Generally I don't smack strangers...unless I've been drinking. *eep* I certainly wouldn't start crying if someone smacked me back, and not just because I'd enjoy it. I wouldn't consider it an injustice, I mean.

Good question. Not one I have an answer for, though. Although I guess that some people are more physically demonstrative than others. Regarding the imbalance in gender of your thing, though, perhaps somewhat tangential, but ... I was watching the trailer for some crappy romantic comedy called The Proposal the other day. In it, a Canadian boss faces deportation, and latches on to her American subordinate, basically forcing him to marry her so that she can remain in the country. These two people hate each other, but in good Hollywood tradition they fall in Twue Wuv.

I couldn't help but think that if the genders of the pair had been reversed - if the boss had been male and his subordinate female - it would have raised a hue and cry from feminists the world over. Yet nary a cheep from anyone. This sort of thing is why I disown the "feminist" moniker. I'm an egalitarian.

it fucking HURTS when someone clocks you anywhere in the face

I disagree.

Okay, with all this silly talk of violence that I started...

Why do so many women think it's okay to hit/punch/pinch/whatever men, yet would get absolutely outraged if the same was done to them, even if it were the same level they were dishing out?

I'm sort of hitty. Like, not hard or anything, but I'll smack someone (male or female) on the shoulder in mock outrage if they've burned me well. I've learned which friends can take it and which don't like it, and act accordingly. Generally I don't smack strangers...unless I've been drinking. *eep* I certainly wouldn't start crying if someone smacked me back, and not just because I'd enjoy it. I wouldn't consider it an injustice, I mean.

This is actually a big problem for me. I don't like being touched, particularly on my sides and stomach. My coworkers (female ones) found this out, and now touch me constantly, despite me saying "no...really...stop.". My manager one day said "you've earned a spot in heaven for dealing with them". I said very bluntly "the funny thing is, if it was reversed, I'd be fired on the spot. Except not funny at all.".

If someone touches or hits me, male or female, I'll usually just let it go. If they catch me in the wrong mood, I'll hit back. One female friend actually got pissed about this, and said "I was only playing around". I said "Yeah. I wasn't and made that pretty fucking clear the first ten times.". If she can hit me, I sure as hell can hit her back.

Good question. Not one I have an answer for, though. Although I guess that some people are more physically demonstrative than others. Regarding the imbalance in gender of your thing, though, perhaps somewhat tangential, but ... I was watching the trailer for some crappy romantic comedy called The Proposal the other day. In it, a Canadian boss faces deportation, and latches on to her American subordinate, basically forcing him to marry her so that she can remain in the country. These two people hate each other, but in good Hollywood tradition they fall in Twue Wuv.

I couldn't help but think that if the genders of the pair had been reversed - if the boss had been male and his subordinate female - it would have raised a hue and cry from feminists the world over. Yet nary a cheep from anyone. This sort of thing is why I disown the "feminist" moniker. I'm an egalitarian.
You see it all the time on TV now. In the 1950's, it was the nice domestic housewife, always getting into trouble, and the big strong man saving her. Today, it's the bumbling idiot of a man (homer simpson, peter griffen, ray romano...pick a sitcom) who gets into trouble, and his clear headed, modern wife saves him. One is sexist, the other is acceptable.

Okay, with all this silly talk of violence that I started...

Why do so many women think it's okay to hit/punch/pinch/whatever men, yet would get absolutely outraged if the same was done to them, even if it were the same level they were dishing out?

I'm sort of hitty. Like, not hard or anything, but I'll smack someone (male or female) on the shoulder in mock outrage if they've burned me well. I've learned which friends can take it and which don't like it, and act accordingly. Generally I don't smack strangers...unless I've been drinking. *eep* I certainly wouldn't start crying if someone smacked me back, and not just because I'd enjoy it. I wouldn't consider it an injustice, I mean.

I don't understand that, either. I'll swat people jokingly, too, and they're absolutely entitled to swat me back, regardless of gender - and I obviously don't touch anyone in ways they're not okay with, and expect the same courtesy in return.

This is actually a big problem for me. I don't like being touched, particularly on my sides and stomach. My coworkers (female ones) found this out, and now touch me constantly, despite me saying "no...really...stop.". My manager one day said "you've earned a spot in heaven for dealing with them". I said very bluntly "the funny thing is, if it was reversed, I'd be fired on the spot. Except not funny at all.".

If someone touches or hits me, male or female, I'll usually just let it go. If they catch me in the wrong mood, I'll hit back. One female friend actually got pissed about this, and said "I was only playing around". I said "Yeah. I wasn't and made that pretty fucking clear the first ten times.". If she can hit me, I sure as hell can hit her back.

I remember you telling us about these coworkers before. It's a load of shite that they haven't been reprimanded. "Dealing with them" should not mean suffering it to happen.

I grew up in very physical surroundings...aboriginal people tend to have smaller spheres of personal space and playful hitting is fairly normal. That being said, I don't like unfamiliar people, or people I don't know very well hugging me, putting their hands on me in any way, or whatever. I got used to the kiss greeting in Latin America but if it's been a while, it still makes me twitchy. Physical interaction, playful hitting, touching, whatever...that happens between people who are comfortable with one another and hopefully if you have any sort of sense, you understand what is okay and what isn't once you get to know someone that well.

Another that pisses me off is in terms of actual domestic violence. A friend of mine, distraught, was telling a group of us that her ex had been beaten up by his new girlfriend. Everyone but me and her laughed. The fuck? She looked at them like they were crazy, and I had to actually verbalise the fact that this wasn't funny. Apparently the bitch actually put him in the hospital because although he tried to protect himself, he didn't fight back and ended up trapped in their room while she wailed on him. Not only did the cops ridicule him when they showed up, they didn't charge her...despite the fact that she had multiple incidences of domestic violence against her former husband.

It didn't take the other people in the group to understand the severity of the situation and 'get it', but their initial reaction pissed me off. My friend may not like her ex all that much, but he is the father of her children, and it's distressing to know that someone that is important to your children is being abused.

You see it all the time on TV now. In the 1950's, it was the nice domestic housewife, always getting into trouble, and the big strong man saving her. Today, it's the bumbling idiot of a man (homer simpson, peter griffen, ray romano...pick a sitcom) who gets into trouble, and his clear headed, modern wife saves him. One is sexist, the other is acceptable.

I disagree. So do these sources.

How the Media Defines Masculinity (http://www.media-awareness.ca/english/issues/stereotyping/men_and_masculinity/masculinity_defining.cfm)
Check out the studies/articles on the side too...some of the links are broken, but there's some good stuff there. From the same source, some general stuff:

Common Stereotypes of Men in Media (http://www.media-awareness.ca/english/issues/stereotyping/men_and_masculinity/masculinity_stereotypes.cfm)
Children's Perception of Male Stereotypes (http://www.media-awareness.ca/english/issues/stereotyping/men_and_masculinity/masculinity_children.cfm)
Men's Magazines and the Construction of Masculinity (http://www.media-awareness.ca/english/issues/stereotyping/men_and_masculinity/masculinity_magazines.cfm)
Masculinity and Sports Media (http://www.media-awareness.ca/english/issues/stereotyping/men_and_masculinity/masculinity_sports.cfm)
Masculinity and Advertising (http://www.media-awareness.ca/english/issues/stereotyping/men_and_masculinity/masculinity_advertising.cfm)
Male Authority in the Media (http://www.media-awareness.ca/english/issues/stereotyping/men_and_masculinity/masculinity_authority.cfm)

Are there a lot of notable feminists writing about the negative portrayal of men in the media? Academics of any background? Not nearly enough, no. I could hardly find any articles/journals whatever on this issue. One would hope, however, that this is going to be an area people pay more attention to. I think it takes a fair amount of on-the-ground bucking of gender stereotypes by all people, whether they identify as feminists or not.

I think it makes a lot of sense to see how gender stereotypes hurt men and women. The impact of gender stereotyping, overall, may impact women in more dangerous ways, and I don't think it's wrong to recognise that. I don't think that this sort of recognition denies the impact it can have on men, but perhaps that impact is not yet very well understood. Both men and women are guilty of perpetuating these stereotypes, so it's important that men and women think about these things holistically rather than focusing entirely on one side or the other.

I'd like to point out that it's not the case that sitcom writers have suddenly all become females bent on showing men as fools etc. Men are buying into this kind of humour too.

Some more resources:

The SAGE journal: Men and Masculinity (http://www.uk.sagepub.com/journalsProdDesc.nav?prodId=Journal200971)

Seems this journal is edited by a male feminist.

More support orientated, and rather interesting:
The Center for Men and Masculinity (http://www.menandmasculinity.com/)
Going through this briefly, it at least doesn't look like one of those sites where men are encouraged to relish the stereotypes as though they are there for sound biological reasons etc. I wouldn't, at first glance, call this site anti-feminist, as quite a few 'Men's' sites end up being.

Psychology of Men and Masculinity (http://www.apa.org/journals/men/) (APA)
From the above source, the selected article: The Roles of Gender Role Conflict and Internalized Heterosexism in Gay and Bisexual Men’s Psychological Distress: Testing Two Mediation Models (http://www.apa.org/journals/features/men9140.pdf)
The above source lists a number of feminists who have commented on, or studies the impact of gender stereotyping on men as well as women.

I remember you telling us about these coworkers before. It's a load of shite that they haven't been reprimanded. "Dealing with them" should not mean suffering it to happen.

I grew up in very physical surroundings...aboriginal people tend to have smaller spheres of personal space and playful hitting is fairly normal. That being said, I don't like unfamiliar people, or people I don't know very well hugging me, putting their hands on me in any way, or whatever. I got used to the kiss greeting in Latin America but if it's been a while, it still makes me twitchy. Physical interaction, playful hitting, touching, whatever...that happens between people who are comfortable with one another and hopefully if you have any sort of sense, you understand what is okay and what isn't once you get to know someone that well.Now, in my case, it generally isn't a big deal untill I'm having a bad day already, in which case, I kinda snap. Beyond that, it is generally just annoying and mildly uncomfortable.

It has even been the case where I've been messing around with someone and they'll run their fingers down my side and feel the muscles contract, and stop and say "what the fuck was that?"...at which point I have to say "don't worry...it's just a strange reaction I have...keep going with it" and laugh

Another that pisses me off is in terms of actual domestic violence. A friend of mine, distraught, was telling a group of us that her ex had been beaten up by his new girlfriend. Everyone but me and her laughed. The fuck? She looked at them like they were crazy, and I had to actually verbalise the fact that this wasn't funny. Apparently the bitch actually put him in the hospital because although he tried to protect himself, he didn't fight back and ended up trapped in their room while she wailed on him. Not only did the cops ridicule him when they showed up, they didn't charge her...despite the fact that she had multiple incidences of domestic violence against her former husband. I'm absolutly disgusted by the double standard. This whole "OHHH! YOU GOT BEATEN BY A GIRL!" thing is just assinine. Yes, guys get hit and beaten by girls. I'm not one who frequently hits girls back, and so yeah, I've gotten myself into situation where a girl is pissed and thinks it's okay to punch me in the stomach. I've said "well now, do you feel better about yourself? Because I'm going to walk away now so I don't kill you." The very fact that people can laugh it off is, quite honestly, one of the most fucked up things about the world. I understand that people frequently laugh to cover up insecurities, but that so often isn't really the case with violence against men...most often, people honestly find it funny. And I've had many an argument about just that.

It didn't take the other people in the group to understand the severity of the situation and 'get it', but their initial reaction pissed me off. My friend may not like her ex all that much, but he is the father of her children, and it's distressing to know that someone that is important to your children is being abused.
Even without the children, I like to think that people are predisposed to feeling distressed about anyone whom has been important to them being put in that situation...

Even without the children, I like to think that people are predisposed to feeling distressed about anyone whom has been important to them being put in that situation...

True enough, I was just pointing out that if anyone would have a feeling of 'ha ha, he deserved it', it would be her. But she was able to see beyond that and resist dehumanising him.

One of my uncles is in a very abusive relationship that has gone on now hmmm, 10 years or so. When I was getting divorced he out of the blue called me up. You have to understand that in a matriarchial family, the interactions between men and women are...odd. Generally we talk to our uncles through their wives. I'd say this was the first time we'd talked one on one without...not an interpreter, but a third person I suppose. We had a very frank discussion about our situations, and I was freaking horrified to find out what he'd been dealing with. When I asked my mom and my aunties about it, they said that they knew it was going on, but we have a general policy in the family of offering support without pushing it on one another, regardless of whether the person is male or female. Too many bad experiences getting caught up in domestic violence.

What bothered me then was not that there was some sort of sexist response to this within the family (because there wasn't), but rather I found out more about how the legal system has failed my uncle. To be honest, all of my aunts/uncles have gotten into abusive relationships at one point or another, it seems my mother is an incredible exception. So there's plenty of experience to draw on in order to see the double standard in the way the victim is treated according to gender. It has gotten bad enough (in terms of not having anything done about her behaviour) that we as a family have come a lot closer to direct interference, including offering to help him move/possibly hide from her and involving the police ourselves.

It shouldn't be that fucking hard to get domestic abuse dealt with, regardless of the gender of the victim. Fack.

Okay, with all this silly talk of violence that I started...

Why do so many women think it's okay to hit/punch/pinch/whatever men, yet would get absolutely outraged if the same was done to them, even if it were the same level they were dishing out?

I'm sort of hitty. Like, not hard or anything, but I'll smack someone (male or female) on the shoulder in mock outrage if they've burned me well. I've learned which friends can take it and which don't like it, and act accordingly. Generally I don't smack strangers...unless I've been drinking. *eep* I certainly wouldn't start crying if someone smacked me back, and not just because I'd enjoy it. I wouldn't consider it an injustice, I mean.

I don't really care if someone smacks me in the arm. It happens all the time. I wont retaliate unless it's uncalled for or if I'm in a shitty mood. But I thought it was mainly only guys who smacked each other for a laugh.

Thanks for the links, Neesika. Interesting stuff! In my art history classes we covered the other side of the coin - media portrayal of women - but didn't really delve into media portrayal of men. There was one example, though ... an example of Victorian pornography, a photograph entitled "buy my apples" featuring a naked woman with a tray of apples, strategically placed. And then a 1970s feminist artist's reaction to that, a photograph entitled "buy my bananas", featuring (of course) a man ... and nearly the entire lecture theatre laughed, whereas to the earlier one none of us had said a word. I still can't really fit my mind around the mental operations there.

Regarding the whole "physical contact" thing; except for close family (and even then it's rare) I almost never touch anyone; perhaps because of its rarity I find it incredibly bizarre if someone touches me. I also have a fairly large zone of personal space, so anyone touching me would be as far as one could go at violating that space. Y'know, without actual bodily penetration.

Women are, as the insurance industry can show, less likely to be involved in accidents but this may simply be because they aren't pushing their driving skills to the limit. They're staying well within the limits of female driving ability and understand they don't have the same capabilities as the more ....... penisy ...... members of society.

Unfortunately the other side of this is that the male of the species are constantly trying to improve their driving ability by driving as fast as possible, performing high performance manouveurs, etc. The result is that their drive to achieve greater skill will eventually lead more to have some 'mishaps' along the way to achieving perfection.

In a study done by the John Hopkins School of Medicine and Public Health, everything you just said was proven to be a lie. Men get in more accidents on the road because at a given time on the road there are many more men driving than there are women. At the time of the study, the percentage of men driving on the road was 74% although this may have changed since then. The study concludes that men are expected to get into 5.1 accidents per million miles driven while women are expected to get into 5.7.

In a study done by the John Hopkins School of Medicine and Public Health, everything you just said was proven to be a lie. Men get in more accidents on the road because at a given time on the road there are many more men driving than there are women. At the time of the study, the percentage of men driving on the road was 74% although this may have changed since then. The study concludes that men are expected to get into 5.1 accidents per million miles driven while women are expected to get into 5.7.

You're mistaking me for someone who was trying to give a serious, factual response to the quoted post. Nevertheless do you have a link to this study.

No, I don't. It was a study I ran across half a year ago while debating this with other people.

No, I don't. It was a study I ran across half a year ago while debating this with other people.

Good memory with the statistics :)

Do you recall however if it looked into accident severity, cost of repairs, etc?

Yes. The study states that men are more likely to get into major crashes because men are more likely to be driving on major roads such as highways, while women are more likely to get into minor crashes because women more often drive on minor roads.

I've also ran across other unproven theories saying that another reason that men get reported to have more crashes is because women will go under their husband's insurance because the man is still in today's society the financial superior of the household and to avoid paying for insurance for two people.

Why do women bitch about how men are idiots and then prance around fucking up being prissy bitches and blaming their problems on everyone when its their time of the month? Why are men idiots who value women only for sex and dislike anything besides football and beer? Why do both listen to shitty music?

I'd like to point out that it's not the case that sitcom writers have suddenly all become females bent on showing men as fools etc. Men are buying into this kind of humour too.
What I have always suspected, personally, is that we came to a collective realization that it was going to be nice to show women as smart on the screen.

There are two ways to do this. One, you can show them examples of genuinely smart behavior. Two, you can show them men being stupid, which - by contrast - will make the female characters look smarter.

The second option seems easier, which is why we keep seeing it.

I disagree. So do these sources.

How the Media Defines Masculinity (http://www.media-awareness.ca/english/issues/stereotyping/men_and_masculinity/masculinity_defining.cfm)
Check out the studies/articles on the side too...some of the links are broken, but there's some good stuff there. From the same source, some general stuff:

Common Stereotypes of Men in Media (http://www.media-awareness.ca/english/issues/stereotyping/men_and_masculinity/masculinity_stereotypes.cfm)
Children's Perception of Male Stereotypes (http://www.media-awareness.ca/english/issues/stereotyping/men_and_masculinity/masculinity_children.cfm)
Men's Magazines and the Construction of Masculinity (http://www.media-awareness.ca/english/issues/stereotyping/men_and_masculinity/masculinity_magazines.cfm)
Masculinity and Sports Media (http://www.media-awareness.ca/english/issues/stereotyping/men_and_masculinity/masculinity_sports.cfm)
Masculinity and Advertising (http://www.media-awareness.ca/english/issues/stereotyping/men_and_masculinity/masculinity_advertising.cfm)
Male Authority in the Media (http://www.media-awareness.ca/english/issues/stereotyping/men_and_masculinity/masculinity_authority.cfm)

Are there a lot of notable feminists writing about the negative portrayal of men in the media? Academics of any background? Not nearly enough, no. I could hardly find any articles/journals whatever on this issue. One would hope, however, that this is going to be an area people pay more attention to. I think it takes a fair amount of on-the-ground bucking of gender stereotypes by all people, whether they identify as feminists or not.

I think it makes a lot of sense to see how gender stereotypes hurt men and women. The impact of gender stereotyping, overall, may impact women in more dangerous ways, and I don't think it's wrong to recognise that. I don't think that this sort of recognition denies the impact it can have on men, but perhaps that impact is not yet very well understood. Both men and women are guilty of perpetuating these stereotypes, so it's important that men and women think about these things holistically rather than focusing entirely on one side or the other.

I'd like to point out that it's not the case that sitcom writers have suddenly all become females bent on showing men as fools etc. Men are buying into this kind of humour too.
Sorry...Sarky had a bad morning and wanted to bitch :(

And I don't say that men aren't buying into it. I loves me some family guy. But I have to blame something/someone for putting Everybody Loves Raymond on the air...

Sorry...Sarky had a bad morning and wanted to bitch :(

And I don't say that men aren't buying into it. I loves me some family guy. But I have to blame something/someone for putting Everybody Loves Raymond on the air...

You brought up a legitimate concern that doesn't get enough attention, and certainly doesn't garner enough academic or social attention. People don't necessarily buy into these stereotypes consciously, but they show you ways in which it's 'okay' to mock men and women, and it has an impact on the way that people of either gender view themselves. That's certainly problematic, and I suspect that it's going to become more of a topic of general debate in the years to come.

You brought up a legitimate concern that doesn't get enough attention, and certainly doesn't garner enough academic or social attention. People don't necessarily buy into these stereotypes consciously, but they show you ways in which it's 'okay' to mock men and women, and it has an impact on the way that people of either gender view themselves. That's certainly problematic, and I suspect that it's going to become more of a topic of general debate in the years to come.

In some ways, yeah...it is really bad and really problematic. But in other ways, I almost want to say "People...it's a joke. Lighten up." But sadly, so often, it stops being a joke. Like the people who love All In The Family because they agree with Archie, or people who don't quite get Huck Finn.

Why do so many women think it's okay to hit/punch/pinch/whatever men, yet would get absolutely outraged if the same was done to them, even if it were the same level they were dishing out?

Because

1) They have been brought up in a society where it is worse to hit a women than a man, because women are weak and thus it is wrong to hit weak people

and

2) Women getting equal rights thinks that all it means is they get the rights but not the responsibilities and that they should only get the good but not the bad that comes along with it.

You see it all the time on TV now. In the 1950's, it was the nice domestic housewife, always getting into trouble, and the big strong man saving her. Today, it's the bumbling idiot of a man (homer simpson, peter griffen, ray romano...pick a sitcom) who gets into trouble, and his clear headed, modern wife saves him. One is sexist, the other is acceptable.

Because it can't be sexist when it happens to a man.

*snip sources*

Hey, hey, hey all these sources are going against the intention behind this thread as specified by the OP :p

Because

1) They have been brought up in a society where it is worse to hit a women than a man, because women are weak and thus it is wrong to hit weak people

and

2) Women getting equal rights thinks that all it means is they get the rights but not the responsibilities and that they should only get the good but not the bad that comes along with it.

Because it can't be sexist when it happens to a man. I was about to verbally kick your ass until:


Hey, hey, hey all these sources are going against the intention behind this thread as specified by the OP :p
I didn't say we couldn't post sources, but rather the nature of the thread means accessing unverifiable social and personal opinions in the main. Analysing said social and personal opinions is totally kosher :P

I was about to verbally kick your ass until:


I didn't say we couldn't post sources, but rather the nature of the thread means accessing unverifiable social and personal opinions in the main. Analysing said social and personal opinions is totally kosher :P

I could do with a good ass kicking :tongue:

But fair enough I slightly misunderstood this thread. :)

Bad thing about stereotype they are often true.

Strong, not so silent type here.

Why do women insist on talking with everyone they meet for hours on end?

Why do I never see women chase men (not necessarily me :p) and only see men taking the initiative?

Why do I never see women chase men (not necessarily me :p) and only see men taking the initiative?
Because you haven't seen enough. I've been chased after before. It's not terribly common, of course, but it happens.

Mainly, however, the fact that straight women, more often than not, would not think of making a direct move, has three reasons that I can see.

One. It's an emotional risk to make a direct advance, one that many men and women are uncomfortable with making.

Two. Enough straight men have been trained to make a pass at any single woman that this strategy is successful in giving at least some options. Not always the best options, but a variety nonetheless. So why risk getting rejected when you could be the one doing the rejecting?

Three. A surprisingly large fraction of men are disconcerted by a direct advance, as they have been taught that women are passive. So why risk getting rejected when the passive strategy works on men that would frown on an aggressive strategy?

Because you haven't seen enough. I've been chased after before. It's not terribly common, of course, but it happens.

Mainly, however, the fact that straight women, more often than not, would not think of making a direct move, has three reasons that I can see.

One. It's an emotional risk to make a direct advance, one that many men and women are uncomfortable with making.

Two. Enough straight men have been trained to make a pass at any single woman that this strategy is successful in giving at least some options. Not always the best options, but a variety nonetheless. So why risk getting rejected when you could be the one doing the rejecting?

Three. A surprisingly large fraction of men are disconcerted by a direct advance, as they have been taught that women are passive. So why risk getting rejected when the passive strategy works on men that would frown on an aggressive strategy?

I never said it doesn't happen, just that it does happen nearly as much as the other way around.

On 1 you're spot on!

On two, how are these straight men trained? Enlighten me, on this one, what training did I miss :)

On three, true, most men are pussies when confronted with strong women. Personally however, I like girls that show initiative, it shows that they have self confidence, which is a very attractive quality :) (regardless of gender)

I had a guy whine to me that I 'ruined it' for him because I got sick of waiting for him to make a move, and made one myself. He had the nerve to whine AFTER we fucked, mind you.

I had a guy whine to me that I 'ruined it' for him because I got sick of waiting for him to make a move, and made one myself. He had the nerve to whine AFTER we fucked, mind you.

You're a dirty whore.


(I'm joking and must add the disclaimer in case someone doesn't have a sarcasm detector.)

I had a guy whine to me that I 'ruined it' for him because I got sick of waiting for him to make a move, and made one myself. He had the nerve to whine AFTER we fucked, mind you.

Quite ungrateful of him :p

You're a dirty whore.


(I'm joking and must add the disclaimer in case someone doesn't have a sarcasm detector.)

lol

I think I 'emasculated' him by becoming the hunter instead of the prey. Or some other weird mixed metaphor perhaps involving deer or fishhooks.

lol

I think I 'emasculated' him by becoming the hunter instead of the prey. Or some other weird mixed metaphor perhaps involving deer or fishhooks.

I always like the squirrel/acorn metaphor, because it's even more insulting and you're kind of nuts.

I always like the squirrel/acorn metaphor, because it's even more insulting and you're kind of nuts.

Punny motherfucker.

Punny motherfucker.

I haven't touched anyone's mother for a long time, I'll have you know.

I haven't touched anyone's mother for a long time, I'll have you know.

Hmmm. So anyone who has sex with me is a motherfucker.

I must devise a way to use that in a legal context.

I haven't touched anyone's mother for a long time, I'll have you know.

But you have touched several just for a short time?

:p

But you have touched several just for a short time?

:p

I'd been biking and my muscles that stop that were beat up by the saddle.

I'd been biking and my muscles that stop that were beat up by the saddle.

...must remember this one..

Hmmm. So anyone who has sex with me is a motherfucker.

I must devise a way to use that in a legal context.

Your honor, it is, in fact, beyond debate that my client is both a mother and a person whom the motherfucking plaintiff had sex.