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On a forum that strives for a veneer of objectivity, I'd like to propose a topic that is unabashedly anecdotal, mostly unsupported, and full of generalisations. Sources and more than welcome, but let's not pretend this is anything but what it is...supposition, theory and personal views.

The topic is simple. Why do men "...." or why do women "...."

We theorise, we discuss, we dispute, we ridicule, we rejoice.

You mean like why do women drive so terribly and why are men such idiots? :p

First, I'd like to note that there are all sorts of theories out there for the nature v. nurture argument. There are fantastic studies on socially constructed gender roles, there are terrible books like 'Men are from Mars and I'm a Fucking Douchebag"...but what there is not, is consensus. Can we generalise with any degree of accuracy? I doubt it. But I'm going to engage in it anyway.

Why do women talk about their relationships all the time, while men basically remain closed lipped?

Snatfuri made me think of this yesterday when I found myself going, hey, yeah I know what you mean girl and wait...you know if we didn't mention it, our men would probably never say anything to make it obvious...why is that?

I know for myself, I talk about it because it makes me happy, and I tend to be ridiculously open about things anyway. I talk about my kids all the time too. Do women just talk more? (shut the fuck up with the simple 'yes' answer, have you seen the length of posts by posters like GnI, Soheran, Cat-Tribes, Neo Art, etc? Bitch, PLEASE)

So?

You mean like why do women drive so terribly and why are men such idiots? :p

I don't think it has to be about both men and women...like if you're just curious about one thing that men supposedly do or visa versa.

Yeah, what's with the women drive terribly stereotype? The insurance industry certainly doesn't seem to think that's the case, since the ones paying the highest premiums are men, of any age.

Why do men in cars cat-call and shout invitations to sex at women walking down the street? Has this ever resulted in them getting laid? Even if it worked, they drive off too fast for you to accept!

Why do men in cars cat-call and shout invitations to sex at women walking down the street? Has this ever resulted in them getting laid? Even if it worked, they drive off too fast for you to accept!

:D

Yeah, I'm not really sure what's being accomplished here, can any men toss us some possible answers? Cuz I'm inclined to go with, "because they're insecure dickless little boys" but that would be mean and unhelpful.

:D

Yeah, I'm not really sure what's being accomplished here, can any men toss us some possible answers? Cuz I'm inclined to go with, "because they're insecure dickless little boys" but that would be mean and unhelpful.

It would also be true.

:D

Yeah, I'm not really sure what's being accomplished here, can any men toss us some possible answers? Cuz I'm inclined to go with, "because they're insecure dickless little boys" but that would be mean and unhelpful.

That's all I've come up with, too.

Once a truck full of guys did that and then got stuck at a red light so long that I caught up to them again. They were all sitting still and staring straight ahead, looking somewhat uncomfortable.

Yeah, I'm not really sure what's being accomplished here, can any men toss us some possible answers? Cuz I'm inclined to go with, "because they're insecure dickless little boys" but that would be mean and unhelpful.

I think you'd be spot on actually.

:D

Yeah, I'm not really sure what's being accomplished here, can any men toss us some possible answers? Cuz I'm inclined to go with, "because they're insecure dickless little boys" but that would be mean and unhelpful.

It's fun.

Why are women always so nervous in moving vehicles?

I don't think it has to be about both men and women...like if you're just curious about one thing that men supposedly do or visa versa.

Yeah, what's with the women drive terribly stereotype? The insurance industry certainly doesn't seem to think that's the case, since the ones paying the highest premiums are men, of any age.

Perhaps it is the definition of terrible between the two groups in this scenario that is causing such a stereotype to develop.

Women are, as the insurance industry can show, less likely to be involved in accidents but this may simply be because they aren't pushing their driving skills to the limit. They're staying well within the limits of female driving ability and understand they don't have the same capabilities as the more ....... penisy ...... members of society.

Unfortunately the other side of this is that the male of the species are constantly trying to improve their driving ability by driving as fast as possible, performing high performance manouveurs, etc. The result is that their drive to achieve greater skill will eventually lead more to have some 'mishaps' along the way to achieving perfection.

I don't think it has to be about both men and women...like if you're just curious about one thing that men supposedly do or visa versa.

Yeah, what's with the women drive terribly stereotype? The insurance industry certainly doesn't seem to think that's the case, since the ones paying the highest premiums are men, of any age.

Well, typically, I've noticed, women are more cautious behind the wheel, often to the point of being jumpy or uptight, which while doesn't seem to cause many accidents, makes the passengers a little antsy.

On the other side of the token though, men seem to be aggressive, sometimes too aggressive... which causes the accidents.

Drives me nuts when my friend Chris tailgates to extremes, but I'd still rather ride with him than jumpy and skiddish Emma.

With regard to cat calling women

Usually involves copious amounts of alcohol, too much youthful vitality, and lack of good sense. The practice should be outlawed but what is the point really?

Not just from cars but construction sites you name it.

However I have on occasion seen the opposite, very rarely but it does happen.

:D

Yeah, I'm not really sure what's being accomplished here, can any men toss us some possible answers? Cuz I'm inclined to go with, "because they're insecure dickless little boys" but that would be mean and unhelpful.

I dunno, we generally like hot women to know that they're hot. Too many women subscribe to the "I'm not really that pretty" school of thought.

That's all I've come up with, too.

Once a truck full of guys did that and then got stuck at a red light so long that I caught up to them again. They were all sitting still and staring straight ahead, looking somewhat uncomfortable.

Fucking. Lol.

I dunno, we generally like hot women to know that they're hot. Too many women subscribe to the "I'm not really that pretty" school of thought.

The difference is how you do it. Men yelling comments about her ass as they drive by are not going to have any sort of meaningful contact with the woman. If you walk up to her, engage her in conservation, and then mention how, quite honestly, you find something about her attractive, you will have a better impact on her self-image.

By the way, which method will get you laid more often?

I dunno, we generally like hot women to know that they're hot. Too many women subscribe to the "I'm not really that pretty" school of thought.

Why on earth would you want them to know they're hot?

The hot girl who doesn't know she's hot is so much easier to get (in the biblical sense of course) than the one who knows you're not even close to being in her 'league'

Why do women feel the need to talk in endless detail about aspects of a relationship?

Why do women have to go to the bathroom together?

Why do women take so long to get ready to go anywhere? And then when you do finally get there and it is about time to leave, you get up to the door and then....no more talking, funny stories, exchanging hugs and whatever, and then return and sit down?

Okay that is just for starters....

It's fun.

Why are women always so nervous in moving vehicles?

Perhaps it is the definition of terrible between the two groups in this scenario that is causing such a stereotype to develop.

Women are, as the insurance industry can show, less likely to be involved in accidents but this may simply be because they aren't pushing their driving skills to the limit. They're staying well within the limits of female driving ability and understand they don't have the same capabilities as the more ....... penisy ...... members of society.

Unfortunately the other side of this is that the male of the species are constantly trying to improve their driving ability by driving as fast as possible, performing high performance manouveurs, etc. The result is that their drive to achieve greater skill will eventually lead more to have some 'mishaps' along the way to achieving perfection.

Well, typically, I've noticed, women are more cautious behind the wheel, often to the point of being jumpy or uptight, which while doesn't seem to cause many accidents, makes the passengers a little antsy.

On the other side of the token though, men seem to be aggressive, sometimes too aggressive... which causes the accidents.

Drives me nuts when my friend Chris tailgates to extremes, but I'd still rather ride with him than jumpy and skiddish Emma.


Okay, three different posters with the same basic message...women tend to be more cautious in vehicles, men tend to drive more aggressively.

Yeah, speaking anecdotally I totally agree. Most women I know will drive the speed limit, or a bit below...whereas most men (and I'm guilty of this too) will go at least 10 over, or more if they think they can get away with it.

I'm an aggressive driver, but not nearly as aggressive as most guys I know. I also would rather drive with them than with women who are too cautious. I find that in an emergency, those cautious women lose their shit and don't know what to do.

Yet it's the guys causing more accidents, so that's not really ideal either. What would be nice is if there was more courtesy being shown on the road, so that if you're in the left lane and you're not fucking passing anyone YOU GET THE HELL OUT OF THE WAY SO WE CAN GET BY YOU!

*breathes deeply*

I dunno, we generally like hot women to know that they're hot. Too many women subscribe to the "I'm not really that pretty" school of thought.Oh I see. It's a confidence booster intended to make us feel good about ourselves. Wow, that's awfully Good Samaritan of you.

Why do women have to go to the bathroom together?

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Ooh ooh, I know this one! I know this one! Its gossip rightt?!!

:p

The difference is how you do it. Men yelling comments about her ass as they drive by are not going to have any sort of meaningful contact with the woman. If you walk up to her, engage her in conservation, and then mention how, quite honestly, you find something about her attractive, you will have a better impact on her self-image.

By the way, which method will get you laid more often?

Quit teaching all the boys how to be a big slut like you :p

Why do some girls flirt like hell with you, invite you to bars with them, and then stop talking to you after you get completely smashed on vodka and try to make out with them?

Okay, three different posters with the same basic message...women tend to be more cautious in vehicles, men tend to drive more aggressively.

Yeah, speaking anecdotally I totally agree. Most women I know will drive the speed limit, or a bit below...whereas most men (and I'm guilty of this too) will go at least 10 over, or more if they think they can get away with it.

I'm an aggressive driver, but not nearly as aggressive as most guys I know. I also would rather drive with them than with women who are too cautious. I find that in an emergency, those cautious women lose their shit and don't know what to do.

Yet it's the guys causing more accidents, so that's not really ideal either. What would be nice is if there was more courtesy being shown on the road, so that if you're in the left lane and you're not fucking passing anyone YOU GET THE HELL OUT OF THE WAY SO WE CAN GET BY YOU!

*breathes deeply*

Exactly my thoughts on everything.

Yet it's the guys causing more accidents, so that's not really ideal either. What would be nice is if there was more courtesy being shown on the road, so that if you're in the left lane and you're not fucking passing anyone YOU GET THE HELL OUT OF THE WAY SO WE CAN GET BY YOU!

*breathes deeply*

A-FUCKING-MEN

However, wasn't even talking so much about cars... boats, airplanes, it's the same. I had a female instructor for a while when I was a student pilot, and she was more nervous than I was. I had to switch to a guy because she was so nervous that she was making me nervous.

When I was 14 and learning how to drive a car, my mom was jumpy as hell, but my dad was a completely calm driving instructor.

Anecdotally, I've gotten to where I very much prefer men when it comes to any sort of moving vehicle.

Why on earth would you want them to know they're hot?

The hot girl who doesn't know she's hot is so much easier to get (in the biblical sense of course) than the one who knows you're not even close to being in her 'league'

I really liked Aelosia's comment yesterday in another thread, "A las reinas como putas, y a las putas como reinas"...treat the queens like whores and the whores like queens...a nice ring of truth to it.

Why do some girls flirt like hell with you, invite you to bars with them, and then stop talking to you after you get completely smashed on vodka and try to make out with them?

Maybe you became a lot less charming and a lot more stinky after all the vodka?

Oh I see. It's a confidence booster intended to make us feel good about ourselves. Wow, that's awfully Good Samaritan of you.

Yeah, I know some guy yelling, "HEY NICE TITS WANNA SUCK MY COCK HAHAHAHAHA" at me really makes me feel great about myself.

I really liked Aelosia's comment yesterday in another thread, "A las reinas como putas, y a las putas como reinas"...treat the queens like whores and the whores like queens...a nice ring of truth to it.

Damn people with their much more poetic versions :(

Why on earth would you want them to know they're hot?

The hot girl who doesn't know she's hot is so much easier to get (in the biblical sense of course) than the one who knows you're not even close to being in her 'league'

You know what? I honestly don't know.

ITT: Why do women get incredibly defensive whenever their stances are questioned/criticized?

Maybe you became a lot less charming and a lot more stinky after all the vodka?

hmmm, well I definitely felt more charming.

Why do women feel the need to talk in endless detail about aspects of a relationship?

This is my question, and I'm a woman who does this! Why don't you men do it? This is what I want to know from you!

Women love talking about, and over analysing their relationships to the point of absurdity. I engage in this from time to time, and sometimes just need to back off and stop talking about it, because it confuses the issue. But it's also because women love talking to each other about these things, and comparing stories, bragging, complaining, whatever. We're not generally looking for solutions to problems, we just want to vent. I don't call up my dad and go, 'damn Dad, this stupid professor at school is on my case yadda yadda'. I talk to my mommy about it :P

Why do women have to go to the bathroom together? Duh. It's so we can talk about you. Y'all haven't figured that out? Sometimes we make plans too, like 'okay, I'll stop hitting on that one, you go for it, I'm going after so and so' or even better, 'do you want a threesome with buddy in the grey shirt? Awesome, let's hook it up'. More boringly it can be to hold one another's hair while we puke.

Why do women take so long to get ready to go anywhere? Because we have shit to organise, most importantly, what we're going to wear. It has to be just right for the occassion, the weather, our expected level of inebriation, and our intended activities. Plus sometimes we put on the wrong shade of eyeshadow and have to try again :P Then there's the whole, 'should I bring my purse? But then I'll have to dance with it on, and that's annoying...maybe I should just wear jeans so I can put my ID and money in my pocket...but where do I put my phone, these jeans are skin tight...damn okay it's the short dress, and the purse then. "


And then when you do finally get there and it is about time to leave, you get up to the door and then....no more talking, funny stories, exchanging hugs and whatever, and then return and sit down? Huh? Dunno about this one.

By the way, WHY DO so many women, who are genuinely attractive, put themselves down so much?

Yeah, I know some guy yelling, "HEY NICE TITS WANNA SUCK MY COCK HAHAHAHAHA" at me really makes me feel great about myself.
theres the problem eh?

sometimes its a whistle to acknowlege that you have dressed to be attractive and WHOA have you succeeded and sometimes its a disgusting comment designed to put you in your "place"

if men policed themselves by telling pigs to stop yelling nastsy things to women then women would appreciate actually appreciation more often.

speaking of which....isnt there a website where you can post phonecam video of men harrassing women on the street? being called to account when you think you can be a pig without any reprocussions is a powerful act.

Why do some girls flirt like hell with you, invite you to bars with them, and then stop talking to you after you get completely smashed on vodka and try to make out with them?
Because some guys are practice; ego boosters who you aren't really attracted to, and they're great to have around until they actually start thinking you want them. Then it's ick and uncomfortable.


ITT: Why do women get incredibly defensive whenever their stances are questioned/criticized? What the FUCK are you talking about? Why are you criticising us in the first place? Can't you just ask a question without insinuating something about women? Geez!

Because some guys are practice; ego boosters who you aren't really attracted to, and they're great to have around until they actually start thinking you want them. Then it's ick and uncomfortable.

Women seriously do that? That's horrible.

By the way, WHY DO so many women, who are genuinely attractive, put themselves down so much?

I have never met a woman who honestly felt 100% happy with herself all the time. Especially the really hot ones. The hot ones seem to have the most self-esteem issues. Maybe it's because chicks like me, who aren't objectively super hot know this, and therefore recognise that people tend to like us because we're good people, rather than because we knock them out with our beauty. Hot chicks always have to wonder what about them is attracting others...it's nice to have people be attracted to you but it doesn't feel very nice for them to only want you for your body.

No matter how great your hair, skin, ass, whatever, the grass is always greener. It's a pretty heinous thing and I don't wish it on anyone. Hopefully we can teach our daughters to be comfortable in their own skin, but we have to lead by example.

(women also tend to fish for compliments, so not all of the complaining is legit...but I think most of it is.)

What the FUCK are you talking about? Why are you criticising us in the first place? Can't you just ask a question without insinuating something about women? Geez!

Exactly. If I can withstand the critical onslaught of my mother and girlfriend, then they can handle a few nitpicks from my direction.

Women seriously do that? That's horrible.
What...you think a vagina makes us inherently more noble than men?

I know a lot of women who have guy friends they constantly flirt with, but would never actually fuck. But you see, it's a fine line. You tend to be comfortable with friends, and say things that are more outrageous than you would say with people not as close. So there is also the issue of miscommunication. Just because your female friend talks to you about sex a lot, it doesn't mean she's thinking of doing those things with you.

Why are all women insane?

Let me prefix by saying I have a ton of question and thanks to the wonerful ladies for answering these thought provoking questions.


Why do women have to inspect every single rack when they go shopping?

What is it with women and shoes, why does anyone need so many?

What is with women and Handbags / Purses, why do they have to stuff them to the brink with I don't know what I am afraid to look in. Lso why does anyone need so many?

How many guys have more than one wallet?

What is about women and: Gossip programs on TV i.e. E True Hollywood and their ilk

Also fashion magazines: Cosmo, you name it. It seems to me like one big advertisement to me? They rarely make you feel good after reading and tend to cause strife, self-doubt, and confusion.

I have never met a woman who honestly felt 100% happy with herself all the time. Especially the really hot ones. The hot ones seem to have the most self-esteem issues. Maybe it's because chicks like me, who aren't objectively super hot know this, and therefore recognise that people tend to like us because we're good people, rather than because we knock them out with our beauty. Hot chicks always have to wonder what about them is attracting others...it's nice to have people be attracted to you but it doesn't feel very nice for them to only want you for your body.

No matter how great your hair, skin, ass, whatever, the grass is always greener. It's a pretty heinous thing and I don't wish it on anyone. Hopefully we can teach our daughters to be comfortable in their own skin, but we have to lead by example.

(women also tend to fish for compliments, so not all of the complaining is legit...but I think most of it is.)

I've heard from numerous unbelievably-hot girls that the curse of being ridiculously good looking is that normal guys are so intimidated by their ridiculously good looking-ness that they just assume the girl is out of their league and don't even bother approaching them. That leaves these girls to be only approached by all the self-absorbed douchebags in the world who think they are God's gift to all creation. That leads to a "why don't normal guys find me attractive" complex, when in reality is that normal guys find them so attractive that they just assume they don't have a chance.

...chicks like me, who aren't objectively super hot...


I've seen pictures of you. They make me jealous. Shut up. :p

That leads to a "why don't normal guys find me attractive" complex, when in reality is that normal guys find them so attractive that they just assume they don't have a chance.

Well we don't.

I have never met a woman who honestly felt 100% happy with herself all the time. Especially the really hot ones. The hot ones seem to have the most self-esteem issues. Maybe it's because chicks like me, who aren't objectively super hot know this, and therefore recognise that people tend to like us because we're good people, rather than because we knock them out with our beauty. Hot chicks always have to wonder what about them is attracting others...it's nice to have people be attracted to you but it doesn't feel very nice for them to only want you for your body.

No matter how great your hair, skin, ass, whatever, the grass is always greener. It's a pretty heinous thing and I don't wish it on anyone. Hopefully we can teach our daughters to be comfortable in their own skin, but we have to lead by example.

(women also tend to fish for compliments, so not all of the complaining is legit...but I think most of it is.)
yeah a beautiful woman who is ONLY beautiful knows that its all downhill from whereever she is and that some day she wont be able to compete with the younger beauties. not unlike big time athletes who know that their time to be a pro is limited.

smart beautiful women develop multiple reasons why anyone might like them or be attracted to them.

and sometimes i think its a backhand way of bragging....oh i have this ONE flaw

Why are all women insane?
why dont men realize that they are under the influence of hormones too?

and sometimes i think its a backhand way of bragging....oh i have this ONE flaw

I actually read somewhere that men can use the same tactic and it'll help them pick up women.

I've seen pictures of you. They make me jealous. Shut up. :p

All pictures on the internet make me jealous... :(

why dont men realize that they are under the influence of hormones too?

Yeah, but we realise that there's a time and place for everything, and it's called football.

Exactly. If I can withstand the critical onslaught of my mother and girlfriend, then they can handle a few nitpicks from my direction.

Ok, hmmm, let me think about this honestly. Alright well, in my case, both my dad and my ex were extremely verbally abusive. My ex in particular put me down constantly. We couldn't talk about politics because he'd lose the argument then call me down and make all sorts of claims about my intelligence etc. He put me down all the time because he claimed I thought I was smarter than him and he wanted me in my place.

So, yes I tend to be more sensitive to men saying certain things to me sometimes. I get the sense that they are trying to 'put me in my place'. Sometimes that's true...it's fairly common actually. Even before the ex, when I was still running with the activists, it was a constant tension. Male grad students in Poli Sci were the worst for acting like you were a silly little girl and being very patronising and condescending. That sort of shit tends to make a person angry.

Now, even women who haven't had the joy of an abusive relationship have likely experienced quite a few situations of men talking down to them...so it could be that we're sort of expecting it, and therefore are a little trigger happy. OR it could be that men need to fucking modify the way they 'criticise'.

Ok, ok. I do notice I react a little strongly sometimes (this is more in person btw than online) to certain comments from men, and sometimes I've had to back off, cool down, and realise they weren't trying to be dicks, it was an honest question/comment.

But quite often it's exactly what it looks like, and then let me tell ya, the claws come out.

why dont men realize that they are under the influence of hormones too?

Male hormones give a more constant result i.e. horniness and aggressiveness

Female hormones give a cyclical result meaning the guys need to pay close attention and remember their position in time or face certain peril

Ok, I'm going to say it, and I know it's horribly non-objective and all that, but why are there so very few really funny female comedians (at least in Britain), or at least very few as funny as a large portion of the male ones? Am I the only Brit who's noticed it. I mean, many of them just try to 'shock' you, talking about how they masturbate and do other sexual 'deviancies', and I'm thinking, only a sexist who expects women to be clean goody-two-shoes would find this funny.

Exactly. If I can withstand the critical onslaught of my mother and girlfriend, then they can handle a few nitpicks from my direction.

Why do women gang up on men?

We do. We totally do. I catch myself doing it sometimes with women I don't even like! Female solidarity is a strong force. I try to avoid it, but it sucks me in...why?

Why do women have to inspect every single rack when they go shopping?

Because we might miss a really good deal if we skipped over one!

What is it with women and shoes, why does anyone need so many?

It depends what you mean by "so many." I am as baffled as any guy by women who have 200 pairs of shoes, but I probably have something like 20 pairs, which is more than any guy I know. Different shoes go with different outfits, so you kinda need any given category of shoe (e.g. "casual sandals" or "heels") in a few different colors, because you'd look like a doofus wearing brown pumps with a black dress.

What is with women and Handbags / Purses, why do they have to stuff them to the brink with I don't know what I am afraid to look in. Lso why does anyone need so many?

Here, I can't help you. I hate purses, and mostly use a backpack instead. I'm not really very "girly," so I prefer practicality over looking pretty when it comes to having a place to put stuff.


What is about women and: Gossip programs on TV i.e. E True Hollywood and their ilk

I have no idea. They bore me silly.

Also fashion magazines: Cosmo, you name it. It seems to me like one big advertisement to me? They rarely make you feel good after reading and tend to cause strife, self-doubt, and confusion.

I only read Cosmo and the like if I'm in a waiting room or something, and then, honestly, it's because a lot of their articles are just funny. It is pretty much one big advertisement, but it's a vaguely amusing one.

Truly Blessed: Let me prefix by saying I have a ton of question and thanks to the wonerful ladies for answering these thought provoking questions.


Why do women have to inspect every single rack when they go shopping?

we are SHOPPING. if you dont look you dont know what the options are.

What is it with women and shoes, why does anyone need so many?

shoes go with the outfit.

What is with women and Handbags / Purses, why do they have to stuff them to the brink with I don't know what I am afraid to look in. Lso why does anyone need so many?

purses are also an accessory that dont go well with every outfit. and how do MEN get by without being able to carry all the little extras that women put into their purses?

How many guys have more than one wallet?
we usually have one wallet in our purse

What is about women and: Gossip programs on TV i.e. E True Hollywood and their ilk

its the same as that talking about relationships with your friends thing only about famous strangers

Also fashion magazines: Cosmo, you name it. It seems to me like one big advertisement to me? They rarely make you feel good after reading and tend to cause strife, self-doubt, and confusion.

gotta keep up with the trends

This is my question, and I'm a woman who does this! Why don't you men do it? This is what I want to know from you!

Women love talking about, and over analysing their relationships to the point of absurdity. I engage in this from time to time, and sometimes just need to back off and stop talking about it, because it confuses the issue. But it's also because women love talking to each other about these things, and comparing stories, bragging, complaining, whatever. We're not generally looking for solutions to problems, we just want to vent. I don't call up my dad and go, 'damn Dad, this stupid professor at school is on my case yadda yadda'. I talk to my mommy about it :P
Duh. It's so we can talk about you. Y'all haven't figured that out? Sometimes we make plans too, like 'okay, I'll stop hitting on that one, you go for it, I'm going after so and so' or even better, 'do you want a threesome with buddy in the grey shirt? Awesome, let's hook it up'. More boringly it can be to hold one another's hair while we puke.
Because we have shit to organise, most importantly, what we're going to wear. It has to be just right for the occassion, the weather, our expected level of inebriation, and our intended activities. Plus sometimes we put on the wrong shade of eyeshadow and have to try again :P Then there's the whole, 'should I bring my purse? But then I'll have to dance with it on, and that's annoying...maybe I should just wear jeans so I can put my ID and money in my pocket...but where do I put my phone, these jeans are skin tight...damn okay it's the short dress, and the purse then. "

Huh? Dunno about this one.

I mean really what is there to talk about? Guys try to solve problems. There is no venting, well maybe on occasion but not so much. We do complain mostly because it is fun and I for one am a malcontent. Women do love to talk after a long day and commuting about 1.5 to 2 hours the last thing I want to do is talk about where our relationship is heading. I dunno you are here, going through the same stuff as me, where do you think it is going?

Dad's are for talking about car tune ups and how should fix stuff. What kind of paint to use and how much. Dad's are for small talk, you know the weather, how your sport team is doing etc. No in depth topics are allowed.

Male hormones give a more constant result i.e. horniness and aggressiveness

Female hormones give a cyclical result meaning the guys need to pay close attention and remember their position in time or face certain peril
they are different for sure but men have the same amount of problems with their hormones that women have with theirs.

Neesika, women talk about realtionship issues a lot more simply because they tend to have better developed verbal skills (can't recall the study where I saw this).

Men on the other hand (no proof for this) tend to talk about things only when they have reached the point in issue that they 'must' talk about it.

We tend to speak what's on our mind (hence we don't speak as much :)). If a woman talks about the ins and outs of her relationship, its probably going well. If a man talks about his realtionship it probably isn't.

Truly Blessed: Let me prefix by saying I have a ton of question and thanks to the wonerful ladies for answering these thought provoking questions.


Why do women have to inspect every single rack when they go shopping?

we are SHOPPING. if you dont look you dont know what the options are.

What is it with women and shoes, why does anyone need so many?

shoes go with the outfit.

What is with women and Handbags / Purses, why do they have to stuff them to the brink with I don't know what I am afraid to look in. Lso why does anyone need so many?

purses are also an accessory that dont go well with every outfit. and how do MEN get by without being able to carry all the little extras that women put into their purses?

How many guys have more than one wallet?
we usually have one wallet in our purse

What is about women and: Gossip programs on TV i.e. E True Hollywood and their ilk

its the same as that talking about relationships with your friends thing only about famous strangers

Also fashion magazines: Cosmo, you name it. It seems to me like one big advertisement to me? They rarely make you feel good after reading and tend to cause strife, self-doubt, and confusion.

gotta keep up with the trends

Damn, awesome, where have you women been? This is marvelous!

they are different for sure but men have the same amount of problems with their hormones that women have with theirs.

I know I wasn't really trying to give a serious answer :)

Men have the same amount of problems but the problems stay pretty similar in a 28 day cycle so it's easy to know where you stand. The other result of this is that nothing really stands out as crazy because it's the norm.

Not so much with women. The craziness abates for just long enough to convince yourself that you're safe and then it catches you unawares again.

why dont men realize that they are under the influence of hormones too?

There is a difference between raging hormones and being clinically insane.

Let me prefix by saying I have a ton of question and thanks to the wonerful ladies for answering these thought provoking questions.


[QUOTE=Truly Blessed;14658460]Why do women have to inspect every single rack when they go shopping?

First of all...shopping. I really am a hopeless tomboy. I'm way more comfortable in army pants and a baggy t-shirt. I only started wearing dresses in my 20s, I won't wear heels, and I am still mostly clueless when it comes to makeup...and don't even talk about hair cuz I couldn't style it to save my life.

But shopping, I get. I don't even like stuff! I rarely buy anything! I just love the process of looking at stuff, trying it on...it's like the grownup version of dress up!

You check out every rack because you don't want to miss something that is absolutely perfect for you, and you can't be sure you won't do that unless you check!


What is it with women and shoes, why does anyone need so many? I went from going the bulk of my life with a single pair of shoes or boots...often a pair over 5 years old, to someone who is slowly understanding the joy of shoes. I doubt I'll ever be as crazy as most 'normal' chicks in that regard, but I do sort of get it. They're an accessory, like earrings or scarves or bags. You don't wear Doc Martins with a cocktail dress...well maybe Doc Martin boots lol...

Women have a wide variety of clothing styles generally, and each style needs to have shoes that match, or you look silly. If you're going for silly, that's great...but if you're not, it's depressing.

What is with women and Handbags / Purses, why do they have to stuff them to the brink with I don't know what I am afraid to look in. Lso why does anyone need so many? Yeah, you complain until we splint your broken arm, change the tire, and save the whales with what we pack in those babies!

Tampons, makeup, cell phone, etc etc etc. You need this shit with you, and once again, it makes sense to match. A nice sturdy courier bag works great with army pants and a t-shirt...looks terrible with a spring dress. Sheesh. It's not rocket science!

What is about women and: Gossip programs on TV i.e. E True Hollywood and their ilk Dunno, don't watch tv, but I suppose it's like how we gossip with our female and gay male friends, only it's someone else's story.

Also fashion magazines: Cosmo, you name it. It seems to me like one big advertisement to me? They rarely make you feel good after reading and tend to cause strife, self-doubt, and confusion.
Agreed, ugh. Dunno. Maybe to check out new styles, hairdos.

Because we might miss a really good deal if we skipped over one!



It depends what you mean by "so many." I am as baffled as any guy by women who have 200 pairs of shoes, but I probably have something like 20 pairs, which is more than any guy I know. Different shoes go with different outfits, so you kinda need any given category of shoe (e.g. "casual sandals" or "heels") in a few different colors, because you'd look like a doofus wearing brown pumps with a black dress.



Here, I can't help you. I hate purses, and mostly use a backpack instead. I'm not really very "girly," so I prefer practicality over looking pretty when it comes to having a place to put stuff.



I have no idea. They bore me silly.



I only read Cosmo and the like if I'm in a waiting room or something, and then, honestly, it's because a lot of their articles are just funny. It is pretty much one big advertisement, but it's a vaguely amusing one.


You ladies rehearsed your answers didn't you. What do you hand out a manual or something? Awesome!

Two wallets?

*raises hand*

I swap wallets when i swap countries. Serious one where I work, waterproof one where I play.

I've heard from numerous unbelievably-hot girls that the curse of being ridiculously good looking is that normal guys are so intimidated by their ridiculously good looking-ness that they just assume the girl is out of their league and don't even bother approaching them. That leaves these girls to be only approached by all the self-absorbed douchebags in the world who think they are God's gift to all creation. That leads to a "why don't normal guys find me attractive" complex, when in reality is that normal guys find them so attractive that they just assume they don't have a chance.
Also true.

I have had a number of good guy friends over the years who were fairly average looking, but wildly successful with women, including those really really hot ones. It's because they had this level of confidence that was extremely attractive. They weren't walking around with their tongues hanging out, they didn't act like they could get anyone they wanted...they just didn't act, period. They'd talk to anyway, hot, average, plain, whatever...and that came across as incredibly sincere. GoG gave some good advice earlier on in the thread in the same vein.

I've seen pictures of you. They make me jealous. Shut up. :p

And visa versa. Isn't it silly? Most of the time I can recognise it as silly. I can be objective about how I look...I'm not hideous, I'm not beauty pageant material...sometimes I'm stunning and sometimes I'm haggard and that mostly depends on how I'm feeling. I'm the kind of girl that doesn't always get a second look until I open my mouth, and I understand that because what attracts me to people is generally not their looks (past the very brief, surface evaluation of hmmm, nice) but rather whether they have 'something' interesting about them.

But sometimes I engage in that whole 'I wish I had nicer hair, a nicer body, nicer face, nicer whatever', and it's pretty sucky.

Two wallets?

*raises hand*

I swap wallets when i swap countries. Serious one where I work, waterproof one where I play.

K Sure.

There is a difference between raging hormones and being clinically insane.
ahhhh

now im suspecting that your real question is

why dont women act the way i think they should?

why dont men realize that they are under the influence of hormones too?

Fuck no DOUBT! My mom has paid special attention to this over the years, and my father finally admits that he tends to 'cycle' too. Testosterone has so many very obvious and notable effects...so it boggles the mind as to why men pretend it doesn't impact their moods. Too busy pretending testosterone is the 'rational' hormone when it's anything but :p

Lets see:
money - Check
credit cards - Check
Cell phone front pocket
Ipod in shirt pocket

Brush my hair once then out the door who cares if it gets messed up?

Car keys front pocket. Hurts when you sit down if you use the back.

No flash light, bandages ...

they just didn't act, period.

Last time I was like myself instead of acting, the police showed up. :(

Fuck no DOUBT! My mom has paid special attention to this over the years, and my father finally admits that he tends to 'cycle' too. Testosterone has so many very obvious and notable effects...so it boggles the mind as to why men pretend it doesn't impact their moods. Too busy pretending testosterone is the 'rational' hormone when it's anything but :p

Yeah, but we have only two moods that are influenced by hormoes. Normal, and angry.

ahhhh

now im suspecting that your real question is

why dont women act the way i think they should?
No, it was "why are all women insane?". And you have yet to answer it.
Fuck no DOUBT! My mom has paid special attention to this over the years, and my father finally admits that he tends to 'cycle' too. Testosterone has so many very obvious and notable effects...so it boggles the mind as to why men pretend it doesn't impact their moods. Too busy pretending testosterone is the 'rational' hormone when it's anything but :p

Well, duh. (just tell anyone)

Last time I was like myself instead of acting, the police showed up. :(

Same here.

Ok, I'm going to say it, and I know it's horribly non-objective and all that, but why are there so very few really funny female comedians (at least in Britain), or at least very few as funny as a large portion of the male ones? Am I the only Brit who's noticed it. I mean, many of them just try to 'shock' you, talking about how they masturbate and do other sexual 'deviancies', and I'm thinking, only a sexist who expects women to be clean goody-two-shoes would find this funny.

I have to admit that most of the comedians I enjoy are male. But we had a similar conversation in my Jurisprudence class a while back, talking about politicans who give great speeches. One woman cited a study that discussed how both men and women react better to a lower voice than to high 'feminine' voices. Yet there have been any number of amazing speeches given by female politicans or women in general, and when I brought some up, people were nodding like oh yeah, I forgot about that.

Is it because the bulk of comedians, and politicians in the West are still mostly male that is more the issue?

I agree about the 'shock' factor...most female comedians I can think of right off the bat tend to make this a major part of their schtick. Yet a lot of men make jokes based on funny scenarios involving male/female misunderstandings and this can be pretty fucking hilarious. I think women do it as well, from the female perspective and I can't say that it doesn't amuse me greatly...I just don't see female comedians as much.

*shrugs*

I mean really what is there to talk about? Guys try to solve problems. So. Fucking. True.

When I vent with a female friend, or a gay male friend, they listen, they nod, they comment, they discuss. What they know NOT to do is try to give solutions. They don't try to tell you how to fix the problem, they just listen, and as you talk, you work it out (or not, but usually that's the goal).

But when I vent to straight male friends, they often seem to skip over the bulk of what I'm saying and go straight to the 'solutions'. For one, it's like they didn't bother to listen, which is annoying, and for another, I'm not asking them to fix it.

Once I figured this out, I started doing one of the following two things. Either I preface my vent with "look, I just want to bitch about something, pay attention"...or I only bring things up where I actually do want help finding solutions. Makes things a lot less frustrating :D



There is no venting, well maybe on occasion but not so much. We do complain mostly because it is fun and I for one am a malcontent. Women do love to talk after a long day and commuting about 1.5 to 2 hours the last thing I want to do is talk about where our relationship is heading. I dunno you are here, going through the same stuff as me, where do you think it is going?

Dad's are for talking about car tune ups and how should fix stuff. What kind of paint to use and how much. Dad's are for small talk, you know the weather, how your sport team is doing etc. No in depth topics are allowed. Ayup. Though younger dads seem to be a lot better at listening to the females in their family than those of my dad's generation. Win!

Neesika, women talk about realtionship issues a lot more simply because they tend to have better developed verbal skills (can't recall the study where I saw this).

Men on the other hand (no proof for this) tend to talk about things only when they have reached the point in issue that they 'must' talk about it.

We tend to speak what's on our mind (hence we don't speak as much :)). If a woman talks about the ins and outs of her relationship, its probably going well. If a man talks about his realtionship it probably isn't.

I tend to work things out by talking about it. It's easier for me than sitting and thinking about it. Having to verbalise forces me to engage in certain mental processes that clarify issues for me. Talking to myself doesn't work...I need someone there to ask questions, or bring up points.

I think guys do more of that in their head.

When things are really really bad in a relationship, I tend to not talk about it at all because I don't want to deal with it.

When things are really really bad in a relationship, I tend to not talk about it at all because I don't want to deal with it.

I beg to differ :p

I beg to differ :p

How much did I REALLY talk to you about my ex, hmmm?

You and Sumamba were pretty much the ONLY people I talked about it with, AT all, and the two of you being thousands of kilometres away from me had a big part in that.

And I said really bad. Brat.

Okay, here's something I want to know. Is it true that guys don't want women to pursue them? That it ruins the 'chase' for them?

Okay, here's something I want to know. Is it true that guys don't want women to pursue them? That it ruins the 'chase' for them?

speaking for myself, no.

Okay, here's something I want to know. Is it true that guys don't want women to pursue them? That it ruins the 'chase' for them?

I don't think that's true of all men. Being the rabbit is fun sometimes.

speaking for myself, no.

I don't think that's true of all men. Being the rabbit is fun sometimes.

There is a very strong belief in female circles that if you go after a guy, he'll lose interest. We women have developed intricate strategies to show our interest without showing our interest, and then we get all confused when guys seem to think we don't like you. I blame this on men. I think somehow men convinced us to be quiet and wait for them to come get us.

I sort of think that's all stupid, and maybe I've scared some guys off, but if I have, who wanted them anyway?

There is a very strong belief in female circles that if you go after a guy, he'll lose interest. We women have developed intricate strategies to show our interest without showing our interest, and then we get all confused when guys seem to think we don't like you. I blame this on men. I think somehow men convinced us to be quiet and wait for them to come get us.

Strangely, the same thing is said in men's circles. If you chase the woman, she'll lose interest. You gotta make her chase you in order to get her.

There is a very strong belief in female circles that if you go after a guy, he'll lose interest. We women have developed intricate strategies to show our interest without showing our interest, and then we get all confused when guys seem to think we don't like you. I blame this on men. I think somehow men convinced us to be quiet and wait for them to come get us.

I sort of think that's all stupid, and maybe I've scared some guys off, but if I have, who wanted them anyway?

Speaking for just myself, the chase in either direction is just obnoxious. I'm not interested in playing does-she-or-doesn't-she games; I want to get right to the sex. If you like me, just say so; acting coy is unattractive.

There is a very strong belief in female circles that if you go after a guy, he'll lose interest. We women have developed intricate strategies to show our interest without showing our interest, and then we get all confused when guys seem to think we don't like you. I blame this on men. I think somehow men convinced us to be quiet and wait for them to come get us.

I sort of think that's all stupid, and maybe I've scared some guys off, but if I have, who wanted them anyway?

I think on the same time, the phrase "scared guys off" is sorta misused. You know me, probably better than anyone else on this forum, save perhaps one or two, so what I say is probably more of what you already know, but I'll say it for the purposes of the conversation.

I dislike games. They bore me. They show, to me, that you aren't capable of having an adult interaction, on the level. If I express an interest in you (and, having gotten over my painful teenage shyness, if I am interested in you, I probably will) you can either reciprocate or not. If not, I'm not going to wait around to decipher what you're secretly trying to tell me. I'm just going to assume that, as an adult, you can talk to me, like an adult. If you choose not to show me you're interested, I'll just move on.

So if you try that, you're not going to SCARE me. You're going to BORE me.

Okay, here's something I want to know. Is it true that guys don't want women to pursue them? That it ruins the 'chase' for them?

ABSOLUTELY NOT.

I saw a comedy show yesterday, and the guy made that exact point; men would love for women to make the first move. We'd be absolutely stoked.

There is a very strong belief in female circles that if you go after a guy, he'll lose interest. We women have developed intricate strategies to show our interest without showing our interest, and then we get all confused when guys seem to think we don't like you. I blame this on men. I think somehow men convinced us to be quiet and wait for them to come get us.


Indeed. I have definitely caught myself worrying - even at this point, in a relationship that seems quite happy and stable and such - "Uh-oh, I've been the one to initiate the last three IM conversations we've had. What if he thinks that makes me too clingy? Argh!" I don't know why or how this idea that I'm not supposed to act like I like having him around got ingrained into the female psyche, but it is decidedly silly.

Speaking for just myself, the chase in either direction is just obnoxious. I'm not interested in playing does-she-or-doesn't-she games; I want to get right to the sex. If you like me, just say so; acting coy is unattractive.

This. Games annoy the hell out of me. That's not to say I'll just walk up to some random and say, hey wanna fuck. Randoms don't turn me on. But if I get to know someone and there's chemistry, I'm probably going to bring it up if he or she doesn't. The whole 'don't call back for 3 days, 10 if they're USian' crap isn't worth my time.

And if things start out nice and honest and end up silly and weird, fuck it, chau.

So if you try that, you're not going to SCARE me. You're going to BORE me.

Hahahaha, na I don't think I've 'scared' anyone off with games, I think I've scared them off with being direct, because they weren't used to it. But really, what 'scared' them was probably me being honest about not wanting much more than sex and friendship. It's actually surprising how many guys aren't okay with not having the chance at a romantic relationship.

There is a very strong belief in female circles that if you go after a guy, he'll lose interest. We women have developed intricate strategies to show our interest without showing our interest, and then we get all confused when guys seem to think we don't like you. I blame this on men. I think somehow men convinced us to be quiet and wait for them to come get us.

I sort of think that's all stupid, and maybe I've scared some guys off, but if I have, who wanted them anyway?

You've been deceived.

Indeed. I have definitely caught myself worrying - even at this point, in a relationship that seems quite happy and stable and such - "Uh-oh, I've been the one to initiate the last three IM conversations we've had. What if he thinks that makes me too clingy? Argh!" I don't know why or how this idea that I'm not supposed to act like I like having him around got ingrained into the female psyche, but it is decidedly silly.

When I get the most fucked up mentally, it's because I buy into this shit. Things are fine, I'm being me, I do what I feel and I simply expect that the other person is mature enough to let me know if I do something wrong/annoying/scary. Every once in a while though, I get caught up into the whole what should I do crap. It's harrowing! Don't call too much, it makes you seem needy! Don't be too affectionate! Don't do this, don't do that...*screams*

If someone likes me more than I like them, and they're calling all the time and it's annoying me, I'll say so. I think a lot of people are too scared to hurt the other person's feelings though. Recently a friend of mine went through this with a guy who fucking COULD NOT bring himself to say he wasn't interested in her, though that was clearly the case. That's just stupid. And cruel.

I think it's important to not bother with people who can't handle being honest. I want to be able to be honest about how someone makes me feel, without feeling like I'm doing something wrong by expressing that.

When I get the most fucked up mentally, it's because I buy into this shit. Things are fine, I'm being me, I do what I feel and I simply expect that the other person is mature enough to let me know if I do something wrong/annoying/scary. Every once in a while though, I get caught up into the whole what should I do crap. It's harrowing! Don't call too much, it makes you seem needy! Don't be too affectionate! Don't do this, don't do that...*screams*

Although, I will say, on some level, you can appear "too clingy". But again, that's just understanding how to talk to adults like adults. Don't call me 9 times a day when we just met, for example.

When I get the most fucked up mentally, it's because I buy into this shit. Things are fine, I'm being me, I do what I feel and I simply expect that the other person is mature enough to let me know if I do something wrong/annoying/scary. Every once in a while though, I get caught up into the whole what should I do crap. It's harrowing! Don't call too much, it makes you seem needy! Don't be too affectionate! Don't do this, don't do that...*screams*

Ha, you have no idea how the male mind works, do you?

When I get the most fucked up mentally, it's because I buy into this shit. Things are fine, I'm being me, I do what I feel and I simply expect that the other person is mature enough to let me know if I do something wrong/annoying/scary. Every once in a while though, I get caught up into the whole what should I do crap. It's harrowing! Don't call too much, it makes you seem needy! Don't be too affectionate! Don't do this, don't do that...*screams*

Exactly! It's so dumb, and I really wish I could just get rid of those worries altogether. When I'm being totally rational, I recognize that my guy has been perfectly good about mentioning when something I do annoys him, and that he would therefore probably tell me if he gave a rat's ass who said "hi" first, so I shouldn't worry about it - and mostly I don't, but every now and then my rational brain goes on vacation and I start fretting about nonsense like that. :p

This. Games annoy the hell out of me. That's not to say I'll just walk up to some random and say, hey wanna fuck. Randoms don't turn me on. But if I get to know someone and there's chemistry, I'm probably going to bring it up if he or she doesn't. The whole 'don't call back for 3 days, 10 if they're USian' crap isn't worth my time.

And if things start out nice and honest and end up silly and weird, fuck it, chau.

Direct doesn't have to be rude. I'm not interested in someone acting boorish, but directness is a virtue in my mind. I don't want to have to interpret the way a woman is acting to try and determine if she's interested or not.

Also, 'chau'?

Although, I will say, on some level, you can appear "too clingy". But again, that's just understanding how to talk to adults like adults. Don't call me 9 times a day when we just met, for example.

I can? Fuck you! :D

Hahahha, yeah, exactly. That's a bit creepy. I guess it's a balancing act to a certain extent, whether you want it to be or not. Being caught up in someone can make you a little irrational, but it doesn't make sense to go waaaay over to the other side for the sake of trying to counter irrationality with....more irrational behaviour.

Ha, you have no idea how the male mind works, do you?

Yeah. The penis engorges, and mental functions decrease.

I like to operate under the delusion that the male mind works much as the female one does...as in somewhat rationally. But everyone around me tries to convince me that men and women are just so different they can't possibly understand one another. Sometimes it's a compelling argument until I recognise that human beings in general have problems with communication regardless of whether they dangle or not.

Yeah. The penis engorges, and mental functions decrease.

Great prank of nature:

Two heads, but only enough blood to operate one at a time.

Direct doesn't have to be rude. I'm not interested in someone acting boorish, but directness is a virtue in my mind. I don't want to have to interpret the way a woman is acting to try and determine if she's interested or not.

Also, 'chau'?

Chau. Good bye. It's Spanish.

Sorry for the delay. Damn company meetings.

Too clingy or disinterested.

I think there is usually a happy medium.

Too whiny or emotional distant

Sometimes there is just no winning.


Ahhh just ride it out and see what happens.

Okay, here's something I want to know. Is it true that guys don't want women to pursue them? That it ruins the 'chase' for them?
To me? oh hell no.
There is a very strong belief in female circles that if you go after a guy, he'll lose interest. We women have developed intricate strategies to show our interest without showing our interest, and then we get all confused when guys seem to think we don't like you. I blame this on men. I think somehow men convinced us to be quiet and wait for them to come get us.

I sort of think that's all stupid, and maybe I've scared some guys off, but if I have, who wanted them anyway?

I believe it depends on the method and the 'hunted'. too strong and the person may start to question what you see in him and may be afraid he wouldn't live up to whatever standard you have set. To roundabout and the person will just get confused.

Yeah. The penis engorges, and mental functions decrease.
When the Male get's aroused, the blood collects in one part of the body... the BRAIN WANTS this blood back and will agree to anything that would help get this blood back. - Peg 'Married: With Children'

Hey, while we're at it, is it true that within ten minutes of meeting a man, women place him in either the "friend" category or the "potential lover" category, and once you've been placed, you can never make the leap to the other category?

Because if that's true, that's incredibly depressing.

Hey, while we're at it, is it true that within ten minutes of meeting a man, women place him in either the "friend" category or the "potential lover" category, and once you've been placed, you can never make the leap to the other category?

Because if that's true, that's incredibly depressing.

No.

You don't get to know someone within 10 minutes of meeting them. Some people who are physically attractive become very unattractive once you get to know them better. Some people you don't notice right off the bat physically become incredibly sexy when you interact with them more.

Jerks are always jerks though.

Hey, while we're at it, is it true that within ten minutes of meeting a man, women place him in either the "friend" category or the "potential lover" category, and once you've been placed, you can never make the leap to the other category?

Because if that's true, that's incredibly depressing.

if it's true, then that's my life. :(

No.

You don't get to know someone within 10 minutes of meeting them.

Not like just bumping into someone, but within ten minutes of conversation.

Yeah. The penis engorges, and mental functions decrease.

I like to operate under the delusion that the male mind works much as the female one does...as in somewhat rationally. But everyone around me tries to convince me that men and women are just so different they can't possibly understand one another. Sometimes it's a compelling argument until I recognise that human beings in general have problems with communication regardless of whether they dangle or not.
I giggled.
Men can understand one another. Women can understand one another. But the 2 can't? It's just fucked up. You women should act more rationally.
Hey, while we're at it, is it true that within ten minutes of meeting a man, women place him in either the "friend" category or the "potential lover" category, and once you've been placed, you can never make the leap to the other category?

Because if that's true, that's incredibly depressing.

Especially for you.

Especially for you.

Shut up. :mad:

I giggled.
Men can understand one another. Women can understand one another. But the 2 can't? It's just fucked up. You women should act more rationally.
Right, because men NEVER go on and on and on and fucking ON about how no man can understand women. That subject is not at the heart of pretty much any straight male comic's routine:p

No.

You don't get to know someone within 10 minutes of meeting them. Some people who are physically attractive become very unattractive once you get to know them better. Some people you don't notice right off the bat physically become incredibly sexy when you interact with them more.

Jerks are always jerks though.

Alright, so that answers that. But is it still meant to be so difficult to cross the friend-lover gorge?

Especially for you.

Keep the douchiness to a minimum, svp.

Shut up. :mad:
:p Sozzles.
Right, because men NEVER go on and on and on and fucking ON about how no man can understand women. That subject is not at the heart of pretty much any straight male comic's routine:p

That's why it's so funny- because it's true.

Alright, so that answers that. But is it still meant to be so difficult to cross the friend-lover gorge?

Sex makes things complicated. It shouldn't...it's not a complicated process. But it does. Fucking friends always brings with it a risk that you will lose a friend if the relationship goes sour. Sometimes it's just not worth that risk.

Then there's always the issue of just genuinely not being attracted to your friend. You might love them to death in every other way, but could never imagine having sex with them. That may not ever change. Move on...good friends are few, appreciate that part of the relationship.

Here's a question...do men actually think about what they wear? I mean...women are VERY aware of what they're putting on, what shows off their ass best, etc.

I've met a few guys who seemed to put some planning into their outfit (dirty sluts!), and it surprised me.

Here's a question...do men actually think about what they wear? I mean...women are VERY aware of what they're putting on, what shows off their ass best, etc.

I've met a few guys who seemed to put some planning into their outfit (dirty sluts!), and it surprised me.

Not really. If it's clean and doesn't clash, it's fine.

Here's a question...do men actually think about what they wear? I mean...women are VERY aware of what they're putting on, what shows off their ass best, etc.

I've met a few guys who seemed to put some planning into their outfit (dirty sluts!), and it surprised me.

I dunno. I generally just try to do a bit of colour coordination (light shirt, dark jacket), but that's about it.

Here's a question...do men actually think about what they wear? I mean...women are VERY aware of what they're putting on, what shows off their ass best, etc.

I've met a few guys who seemed to put some planning into their outfit (dirty sluts!), and it surprised me.

I would like to. but I am fashion impaired.

Fall colors?
Spring Colors?

W... T... F... :confused:

Jeez. Selfish men! Look, straight women are not oblivious to the male form! Some of us really appreciate being able to see the shape of your ass, for example. Stop thinking solely of your own comfort, and put your bodies out there damnit!

I'm not talking necessarily about being fashionable, I'm talking about showing off your assets.

Why do all the women I have ever worked with seem to have an irrational hatred for one of the other woman (and it is always another woman)? The men may dislike and not trust each other, but I have never seen men exhibit the level of hatred where they can't bear to be in the same room together. The kind of "did you see her sitting there not doing anything annoying - she was doing it just to annoy me".



Why do intelligent women who are perfectly aware that about ninety percent of non-verbal communication is totally invisible to men still persist in trying to communicate with men using it? We aren't ever going to get it. I have vague memories about a documentary about a pre-op female to male transsexual - they were taking testorone and among the effects recorded were that their vocabulary got smaller and they were less able to understand non verbal communication.

Jeez. Selfish men! Look, straight women are not oblivious to the male form! Some of us really appreciate being able to see the shape of your ass, for example. Stop thinking solely of your own comfort, and put your bodies out there damnit!

I'm not talking necessarily about being fashionable, I'm talking about showing off your assets.

Yeah, well... turns out men are just as insecure about their looks as women, and we honestly don't know if we're any good looking, so we all rank ourselves as "ok".

Hence, loose fitting, simple clothing.

Why do all the women I have ever worked with seem to have an irrational hatred for one of the other woman (and it is always another woman)? The men may dislike and not trust each other, but I have never seen men exhibit the level of hatred where they can't bear to be in the same room together. The kind of "did you see her sitting there not doing anything annoying - she was doing it just to annoy me".
Women are competative creatures. What I particularly despise are the ones who are nice to your face, nasty behind your back. I prefer to be both to someone's face, depending on how I actually feel about them. No one I have disliked has ever been confused about that fact.

Guys can have a fist fight and make up. Women prefer guerilla warfare, and I don't know why. No thanks, fuck that shit.


Why do intelligent women who are perfectly aware that about ninety percent of non-verbal communication is totally invisible to men still persist in trying to communicate with men using it? We aren't ever going to get it. I have vague memories about a documentary about a pre-op female to male transsexual - they were taking testorone and among the effects recorded were that their vocabulary got smaller and they were less able to understand non verbal communication.

*shrugs* It's hard sometimes to remember that other people can't read your mind. I think men and women fall into this trap sometimes....but yeah I'd say women are more guilty of it. Women spend a lot of time reading non-verbal communication in other women, so it's sort of habit.

Here's a question...do men actually think about what they wear? I mean...women are VERY aware of what they're putting on, what shows off their ass best, etc.

I've met a few guys who seemed to put some planning into their outfit (dirty sluts!), and it surprised me.

Depends who the bird is and where we're going.

Here's a question...do men actually think about what they wear? I mean...women are VERY aware of what they're putting on, what shows off their ass best, etc.

I've met a few guys who seemed to put some planning into their outfit (dirty sluts!), and it surprised me.

Let see what is in the closet.

Jeans - Check
T-Shirt - Check
Button down Shirt - Short sleeve or long? Well it is kind of hot so short. This one is missing a button. This one has a stain. All buttons check, slightly less wrinkled than most - check. We have a winner.

Socks - most of the time except for sandals
Shoes - sneakers or boots, eh who cares most depends on the weather.


All this is achievable in about 15 minutes. Add about 15 minutes for a shower. Add about 10 minutes for a shave and grooming.

Out the door in 45 minutes. This is by the way not rushing. 5 minutes to get the car, 5 or 10 minutes to get money from the bank machine if required.

Let see what is in the closet.

Jeans - Check
T-Shirt - Check
Button down Shirt - Short sleeve or long? Well it is kind of hot so short. This one is missing a button. This one has a stain. All buttons check, slightly less wrinkled than most - check. We have a winner.

Socks - most of the time except for sandals
Shoes - sneakers or boots, eh who cares most depends on the weather.


All this is achievable in about 15 minutes. Add about 15 minutes for a shower. Add about 10 minutes for a shave and grooming.

Out the door in 45 minutes. This is by the way not rushing. 5 minutes to get the car, 5 or 10 minutes to get money from the bank machine if required.

It's not about taking more time to dress.

Alright, I guess he is a bit of an oddball. I love it.

Jeez. Selfish men! Look, straight women are not oblivious to the male form! Some of us really appreciate being able to see the shape of your ass, for example. Stop thinking solely of your own comfort, and put your bodies out there damnit!

I'm not talking necessarily about being fashionable, I'm talking about showing off your assets.

I thought that if men wore something that showed off there ass, women thought they were gay.

I thought that if men wore something that showed off there ass, women thought they were gay.

Yeah, that's what I always thought.

Suit and ties slow it down a little because then you have to search for black socks. Tops 1 hour.

5 minutes to quickly run iron over visible parts of the shirt
5 minutes to get dressed
10 minutes to get the tie right.

See shower and shave from before.

3 minutes to wipe dust off shoes.

Find a belt maybe 5 minutes.

Get wallet, get keys. Decide if jacket is also required. In addition to suit jacket, yes some of us live in cold climates.


Still out the door in an hour tops.

It's not about taking more time to dress.

Alright, I guess he is a bit of an oddball. I love it.

We don't think about what looks good on us. It just doesn't happen. We think "Hey, this colour's nice." or "This was pretty expensive", and that's about it.

And wait, why would you girls want to wear something that shows off your ass? What happened to "Does this make my butt look big?"?

Why do all the women I have ever worked with seem to have an irrational hatred for one of the other woman (and it is always another woman)? The men may dislike and not trust each other, but I have never seen men exhibit the level of hatred where they can't bear to be in the same room together. The kind of "did you see her sitting there not doing anything annoying - she was doing it just to annoy me".


Heh. In fairness, in my experience, while it may seem "irrational" to many guys, it often seems to be that the guys in question simply don't notice behavior that annoys the crap out of women. So, to use a common example, many, many women very quickly come to loathe the sort of girl who throws herself at any male in the vicinity. That sort of behavior is irritating on several levels - it's annoying to have to watch, the sort of girls who do that usually don't let "that's my boyfriend you're flirting with" stop them, and, of course, the stupid men will often actually seem to like it and prefer the attention whore's company to that of the actual intelligent nominally self-confident women who aren't flinging themselves at him. I've met a few girls like this, and pretty much without exception, every female around them despises them, and no male can fathom why, and will make things even worse by bemusedly proclaiming, "How can you dislike her? She's so nice!"

I thought that if men wore something that showed off there ass, women thought they were gay.

Then they think you're not out to bed them.


Suckers.

Hahahaha, na I don't think I've 'scared' anyone off with games, I think I've scared them off with being direct, because they weren't used to it. But really, what 'scared' them was probably me being honest about not wanting much more than sex and friendship. It's actually surprising how many guys aren't okay with not having the chance at a romantic relationship.
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I think this is a great lie that's often not refuted enough, but I think a lot of men, and your experience goes along with it, that many if not most men, are interested in some sort of romantic relationship. Of course, certainly its not all men, but I'd think most.

I thought that if men wore something that showed off there ass, women thought they were gay.

Yeah, that's what I always thought.

Lol, I'm not talking assless chaps! A pair of pants that are tight enough to show the shape of your ass...
Like this. (http://www.blavish.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/02/rock-republic-jeans-2-5-07.jpg)
Or this. (http://www.bigw.com.au/images/2009/men/Flight-or-Camo-Cargo-Pants-with-Bonus-Belt.jpg)

Baggy pants no good. Still comfortable yes? But when we walk behind you, we can enjoy the view.

I would like to. but I am fashion impaired.

Fall colors?
Spring Colors?

W... T... F... :confused:

Even easier is there more than one shade of black and do they look too stupid together?

I watch those guys at the Oscars and the interviewer come up and say "Who are you wearing?" What the fuck, how the heck should I know I just put it on.

Lol, I'm not talking assless chaps! A pair of pants that are tight enough to show the shape of your ass...
Like this. (http://www.blavish.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/02/rock-republic-jeans-2-5-07.jpg)
Or this. (http://www.bigw.com.au/images/2009/men/Flight-or-Camo-Cargo-Pants-with-Bonus-Belt.jpg)

Baggy pants no good. Still comfortable yes? But when we walk behind you, we can enjoy the view.


I never once though. Hmmm I wonder if these make my ass look too big and does my ass look good?

Doesn't happen.

and, of course, the stupid men will often actually seem to like it and prefer the attention whore's company to that of the actual intelligent nominally self-confident women who aren't flinging themselves at him.

Why do you think that is? Those men aren't stupid, they know there's not much chance of any sort of relationship with those non-flinging women. They end up as friends.

We don't think about what looks good on us. It just doesn't happen. We think "Hey, this colour's nice." or "This was pretty expensive", and that's about it.

And wait, why would you girls want to wear something that shows off your ass? What happened to "Does this make my butt look big?"?

If the answer is 'yes' then I'm wearing it.

I'm an ass woman. I love men's asses, I love women's asses. I'm a fan of my own ass, and I don't mind showing it off.

Here's a question...do men actually think about what they wear? I mean...women are VERY aware of what they're putting on, what shows off their ass best, etc.

I've met a few guys who seemed to put some planning into their outfit (dirty sluts!), and it surprised me.

I think about how comfortable the clothes feel rather than what they look like. I don't really like clothes that I have just bought I am much happier in an old jumper full of holes. Don't really know much about patterns and colours going together so I stick to plain blacks, greys, white and the odd blue or green thing. I get annoyed that every time I try to buy a new pair of jeans they have changed the shape of them to some stupid "bootleg bellbottom skinnyfit bootleg drainpipes relaxed fit" - I just want ones exactly like the old ones.

Lol, I'm not talking assless chaps! A pair of pants that are tight enough to show the shape of your ass...
Like this. (http://www.blavish.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/02/rock-republic-jeans-2-5-07.jpg)
Or this. (http://www.bigw.com.au/images/2009/men/Flight-or-Camo-Cargo-Pants-with-Bonus-Belt.jpg)

Baggy pants no good. Still comfortable yes? But when we walk behind you, we can enjoy the view.

Yeah, cos none of those men look gay at all.

So you want men to look gay, but be strait?
You women are strange.

If the answer is 'yes' then I'm wearing it.

I'm an ass woman. I love men's asses, I love women's asses. I'm a fan of my own ass, and I don't mind showing it off.

Therein lies the next question; why do women think a big bum is bad? Most men like a bit of curve back, AFAIK.

Heh. In fairness, in my experience, while it may seem "irrational" to many guys, it often seems to be that the guys in question simply don't notice behavior that annoys the crap out of women. So, to use a common example, many, many women very quickly come to loathe the sort of girl who throws herself at any male in the vicinity. That sort of behavior is irritating on several levels - it's annoying to have to watch, the sort of girls who do that usually don't let "that's my boyfriend you're flirting with" stop them, and, of course, the stupid men will often actually seem to like it and prefer the attention whore's company to that of the actual intelligent nominally self-confident women who aren't flinging themselves at him. I've met a few girls like this, and pretty much without exception, every female around them despises them, and no male can fathom why, and will make things even worse by bemusedly proclaiming, "How can you dislike her? She's so nice!"


Word up, sistah.

My favourite such experience was sitting with my man at the time, actually holding hands...and some drunk tart came up and began flirting with him. Not only did he not tell her to fuck off, he began chatting. With my hand in his. When she leaned over to put her tits in his face (by accident of course), I removed my hand, followed her into the bathroom, kicked open the door and threatened her with a pool cue. When I came back, my boy was bemused by my ire. He's lucky I didn't still have the pool cue in my hand.

Yeah, cos none of those men look gay at all.


That's true, they don't particularly.

If the answer is 'yes' then I'm wearing it.

I'm an ass woman. I love men's asses, I love women's asses. I'm a fan of my own ass, and I don't mind showing it off.

Hmmm... I'm secretly quite proud of my own ass aswell.

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I think this is a great lie that's often not refuted enough, but I think a lot of men, and your experience goes along with it, that many if not most men, are interested in some sort of romantic relationship. Of course, certainly its not all men, but I'd think most.

Agreed. And besides, kinds of guys who are really into completely NSA sex aren't the kinds of guys I'd fuck with someone else's pussy.

Friends with benefits works better, but even than can be hard if one starts developing romantic feelings for the other.

Lol, I'm not talking assless chaps! A pair of pants that are tight enough to show the shape of your ass...
Like this. (http://www.blavish.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/02/rock-republic-jeans-2-5-07.jpg)
Or this. (http://www.bigw.com.au/images/2009/men/Flight-or-Camo-Cargo-Pants-with-Bonus-Belt.jpg)

Baggy pants no good. Still comfortable yes? But when we walk behind you, we can enjoy the view.

Honestly, the first one looks like its strangling his ass, but the second isn't something I wouldn't wear. My g/f hates when I go for a run cause I wear short shorts, but they're ok to wear if shes the only one to see it :p

The topic is simple. Why do men "...." or why do women "...."

Why do men do women?

Ehmm... something to do with birds and insects...

Yeah, cos none of those men look gay at all.

So you want men to look gay, but be strait?
You women are strange.

Hahahahhahhahahaha. Those men have nice asses, and they look hot in the pants they're wearing. If they're gay, that's a damn shame, but it still looks sexy, and if straight men are going to look frumpy just to avoid looking gay, that's pretty stupid.

More pussy for the men who don't care if some people mistake them for gay.

To be fair, Neesika, you seem to be out of the norm for women, IMO. I mean, you're a lot more sex-oriented.

Therein lies the next question; why do women think a big bum is bad? Most men like a bit of curve back, AFAIK.

Dunno. A lot of women complain constantly about being fat etc. I'm sure there are plenty of women who think their ass is too big. I for one wouldn't mind having more of a bubble butt. I'm just glad I don't have a flat ass, because I personally don't find that at all attractive.

Word up, sistah.

My favourite such experience was sitting with my man at the time, actually holding hands...and some drunk tart came up and began flirting with him. Not only did he not tell her to fuck off, he began chatting. With my hand in his. When she leaned over to put her tits in his face (by accident of course), I removed my hand, followed her into the bathroom, kicked open the door and threatened her with a pool cue. When I came back, my boy was bemused by my ire. He's lucky I didn't still have the pool cue in my hand.

Hahaha, seriously! There's a girl I went to college with who used to make a habit of wandering into group conversations and sitting herself down on the lap of every guy in the room (and playing with their hair, and asking their opinion on whether she looked pretty today, and so on...). I swear to god, if looks could kill, that little brat would have been dead so many times over, and never ONCE did any guy say even so much as, "Um, you know, I'd actually rather have my girlfriend, who is in fact right here, sitting on my lap, if that's okay." Dumbasses. :p

Hahahahhahhahahaha. Those men have nice asses, and they look hot in the pants they're wearing. If they're gay, that's a damn shame, but it still looks sexy, and if straight men are going to look frumpy just to avoid looking gay, that's pretty stupid.

More pussy for the men who don't care if some people mistake them for gay.

That's it I'm gonna start dressing camp.

To be fair, Neesika, you seem to be out of the norm for women, IMO. I mean, you're a lot more sex-oriented.

Another myth.

I have a wide range of female friends, straight and gay. Among them, only a very small percentage are what I'd call low-libidoed. Also, you should hear how women talk when it's just us girls. It'd have you blushing for days.

Men, in general, your girlfriend's friends know everything about you, including the face you make when you cum.

Men, in general, your girlfriend's friends know everything about you, including the face you make when you cum.

No one knows what that looks like... :(

Hahaha, seriously! There's a girl I went to college with who used to make a habit of wandering into group conversations and sitting herself down on the lap of every guy in the room (and playing with their hair, and asking their opinion on whether she looked pretty today, and so on...). I swear to god, if looks could kill, that little brat would have been dead so many times over, and never ONCE did any guy say even so much as, "Um, you know, I'd actually rather have my girlfriend, who is in fact right here, sitting on my lap, if that's okay." Dumbasses. :p

Cool! There is a girl at my college called "the flag room whore", the flag room is where you find her, and shes a whore because she does the above. I didn't no that such a thing existed, and even then I thought it was a sort of one off oddity. I think the reason men don't say anything is because men are MEN, and nothing women do physically can bother us, a whole sort of macho thing- plus what are you gay? kicking a girl off your lap... In short I just think men don't know what to do even if it is uncomfortable for them.

Another myth.

I have a wide range of female friends, straight and gay. Among them, only a very small percentage are what I'd call low-libidoed. Also, you should hear how women talk when it's just us girls. It'd have you blushing for days.

I get that, but in this thread I've sense almost a disdain for actual relationships coming from you.

Men, in general, your girlfriend's friends know everything about you, including the face you make when you cum.

Ahh. The bull.

No one knows what that looks like... :(

Actually, I do.

Hahaha, seriously! There's a girl I went to college with who used to make a habit of wandering into group conversations and sitting herself down on the lap of every guy in the room (and playing with their hair, and asking their opinion on whether she looked pretty today, and so on...). I swear to god, if looks could kill, that little brat would have been dead so many times over, and never ONCE did any guy say even so much as, "Um, you know, I'd actually rather have my girlfriend, who is in fact right here, sitting on my lap, if that's okay." Dumbasses. :p

A good friend of mine...like, really good friend, love her to bits...she's a bit of a pussy blocker. We go out to a club, and she somehow manages to flirt with every single guy in the area...so you're trying to set something up and there she is, buzzing by. Drives me nuts! Another friend of ours and I finally said something to her one of the last times we went out (mind you, this has been 15 years of her doing this), and she seemed genuinely surprised. That was just her MO, she didn't realise it was fucking with our game. We pointed out a few incidents over the years where she'd pussy blocked us, and she was apologising like crazy.

It drove me nuts with her, and she's a friend...if someone I don't particularly like does it, I comment a fuck of a lot sooner than 15 years later.

Actually, I do.

Did you put cameras in the Busch Gardens men's bathroom again?

Cool! There is a girl at my college called "the flag room whore", the flag room is where you find her, and shes a whore because she does the above. I didn't no that such a thing existed, and even then I thought it was a sort of one off oddity. I think the reason men don't say anything is because men are MEN, and nothing women do physically can bother us, a whole sort of macho thing- plus what are you gay? kicking a girl off your lap... In short I just think men don't know what to do even if it is uncomfortable for them.

That's a load of fucking horse crap. I think the biggest mistake women make is to assume men are somehow disabled because they are male. Look, these fuckers can run countries, beat computers at chess, invent all sorts of amazing shit, but we are CONSTANTLY making excuses for why they can't do simple things like tell that whore to get off their lap when you're sitting right there.

Granted, I will probably lash out at the chick first, but the guy should also be the focus of ire. If you are not okay with your partner having some other girl grind her ass into his crotch, he'd better learn to tell her no thanks.

That's a load of fucking horse crap. I think the biggest mistake women make is to assume men are somehow disabled because they are male. Look, these fuckers can run countries, beat computers at chess, invent all sorts of amazing shit, but we are CONSTANTLY making excuses for why they can't do simple things like tell that whore to get off their lap when you're sitting right there.

Granted, I will probably lash out at the chick first, but the guy should also be the focus of ire. If you are not okay with your partner having some other girl grind her ass into his crotch, he'd better learn to tell her no thanks.

...but...she's...grinding her ass into my crotch...I don't want to say no thanks.

I get that, but in this thread I've sense almost a disdain for actual relationships coming from you.
Don't be silly. I love sex...I don't ever really get enough. That doesn't mean I automatically spur 'actual relationships'. I'm pretty content with the relationship I'm in (to engage in extreme acts of understatement), but I'm not going to never ever again mention the other relationships ('actual' or otherwise) I've been in just because I'm in love.

Ahh. The bull.Lol, is that what you call the face?

That's a load of fucking horse crap. I think the biggest mistake women make is to assume men are somehow disabled because they are male. Look, these fuckers can run countries, beat computers at chess, invent all sorts of amazing shit, but we are CONSTANTLY making excuses for why they can't do simple things like tell that whore to get off their lap when you're sitting right there.

Yea, but no one is going to question your manliness in the course of running a country.

Granted, I will probably lash out at the chick first, but the guy should also be the focus of ire. If you are not okay with your partner having some other girl grind her ass into his crotch, he'd better learn to tell her no thanks.

I wasn't saying there should be no reaction from him, I'm just giving the reason why I think there usually isn't one.

...but...she's...grinding her ass into my crotch...I don't want to say no thanks.

That too :)

Why do you think that is? Those men aren't stupid, they know there's not much chance of any sort of relationship with those non-flinging women. They end up as friends.

Bitter much?

I'm going to modify a phrase I'm stealing from Bottle. The only thing in common with all the girls who don't want to go out with you, is you.

...but...she's...grinding her ass into my crotch...I don't want to say no thanks.
Yeah but I'm okay with you not saying no, especially if it's a nice thick ass and I get to watch :P

If it really, really bothered me, and you did it anyway, I would take issue. Then I'd buy you some sunglasses to hide the bruise, maybe have some flowers delivered, apologise and swear it'll never happen before but you just make me so angry some times love, don't you understand that it's because I love you...

:p

Bitter much?

I'm going to modify a phrase I'm stealing from Bottle. The only thing in common with all the girls who don't want to go out with you, is you.

I wouldn't say I'm bitter, but yeah, I do end up becoming the friend too easily. I really have to warp my personality when I go pussy hunting, and that's something I really don't like to do too often.

Another myth.

I have a wide range of female friends, straight and gay. Among them, only a very small percentage are what I'd call low-libidoed. Also, you should hear how women talk when it's just us girls. It'd have you blushing for days.

Men, in general, your girlfriend's friends know everything about you, including the face you make when you cum.

This is entirely true. (Although, admittedly, my friends are fairly weird, so we tend to be perfectly happy to have those same conversations in mixed-gender groups. I've been a bit embarrassed on occasion when I meet male friends' girlfriends for the first time, because there's a part of my brain going, "Hi there! I know that you have hairs around your right nipple, you like being spanked, and you make a noise like, 'oooooomph' when you orgasm!" :p )

This is entirely true. (Although, admittedly, my friends are fairly weird, so we tend to be perfectly happy to have those same conversations in mixed-gender groups. I've been a bit embarrassed on occasion when I meet male friends' girlfriends for the first time, because there's a part of my brain going, "Hi there! I know that you have hairs around your right nipple, you like being spanked, and you make a noise like, 'oooooomph' when you orgasm!" :p )

hahahahahahahahahhaha

Mixed gender sex talks are the bestest. Mixed sexuality mixed gender talks even bettah.

One of my all time favourite conversations included a 3 hour roundtable on ass, and then a detailed discussion of the way a woman's taste changes depending on the time of month. Gay and straight men and women...wide variety of experiences, preferences and interests...good times.

*browses thread*

0_o;

*flees to the taco stand*

Another myth.

I have a wide range of female friends, straight and gay. Among them, only a very small percentage are what I'd call low-libidoed. Also, you should hear how women talk when it's just us girls. It'd have you blushing for days.

Men, in general, your girlfriend's friends know everything about you, including the face you make when you cum.

I, being a guy who has more girls who are friends than guys, and who feels more comfortable talking to girls than guys, can attest to this. Women are far more dirty minded than most men I know, as the normal guy conversation actually involves very little sexual content. We have simple brains, ladies, and we can only focus on one thing at a time. :D

I also reject entirely the notion of "friends" not becoming relationships. I have a good friend, a very good friend, who is a woman. When we first met, being that she's awfully cute, I of course tried to pick her up.

I was, rather politely, rebuked, and was told that she had bad experiences in the past, a rough relationship she wasn't over, and wasn't in a place in her life where she could enter into a relationship, and wouldn't be in the foreseeable future.

I'm dating her now.

Why are men and women really no different?

And why do I still prefer the company of women?

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I also reject entirely the notion of "friends" not becoming relationships. I have a good friend, a very good friend, who is a woman. When we first met, being that she's awfully cute, I of course tried to pick her up.

I was, rather politely, rebuked, and was told that she had bad experiences in the past, a rough relationship she wasn't over, and wasn't in a place in her life where she could enter into a relationship, and wouldn't be in the foreseeable future.

I'm dating her now.

Awwww....that's so sweet I think I'm going to have a diabetic seizure:D

Why are men and women really no different?

And why do I still prefer the company of women?

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lol

That's easy. Boobies.

I also reject entirely the notion of "friends" not becoming relationships. I have a good friend, a very good friend, who is a woman. When we first met, being that she's awfully cute, I of course tried to pick her up.

I was, rather politely, rebuked, and was told that she had bad experiences in the past, a rough relationship she wasn't over, and wasn't in a place in her life where she could enter into a relationship, and wouldn't be in the foreseeable future.

I'm dating her now.

I've gone both ways before. First dated, then become very good friends with after the relationship was over; and first been friends with ("buddy" style friends) and then entered into a relationship with.

People are strange.

Awwww....that's so sweet I think I'm going to have a diabetic seizure:D

pft, don't think I'm above beating your ass. She'd agree you probably deserve it.

I also reject entirely the notion of "friends" not becoming relationships. I have a good friend, a very good friend, who is a woman. When we first met, being that she's awfully cute, I of course tried to pick her up.

I was, rather politely, rebuked, and was told that she had bad experiences in the past, a rough relationship she wasn't over, and wasn't in a place in her life where she could enter into a relationship, and wouldn't be in the foreseeable future.

I'm dating her now.

That scenario wouldn't work out for me. Once a girl is my friend, she knows and likes "Rusty the Generally Good Guy". If I tried to start something with her, I've have to switch to "Rusty the JerkAss", and if you like "Rusty the Generally Good Guy", you really dislike "Rusty the JerkAss". With women, it's either Good Guy all the way or JerkAss all the way, I can't just switch in the middle of knowing a person.

*browses thread*

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*flees to the taco stand*

Why do Gauntleted Fists flee to taco stands?

lol

That's easy. Boobies.

My guess would be "Perfume for women smells better than cologne for men", but you may be on to something.

pft, don't think I'm above beating your ass. She'd agree you probably deserve it.

'tever!

Why do Gauntleted Fists flee to taco stands?

To get to the other side?

Women are far more dirty minded than most men I know, as the normal guy conversation actually involves very little sexual content. We have simple brains, ladies, and we can only focus on one thing at a time. :D

Women I know tend to be VERY well versed on the theory, but a lot less so on the practical. Men don't talk or study the theory but are completely obsessed with the practical.

That scenario wouldn't work out for me. Once a girl is my friend, she knows and likes "Rusty the Generally Good Guy". If I tried to start something with her, I've have to switch to "Rusty the JerkAss", and if you like "Rusty the Generally Good Guy", you really dislike "Rusty the JerkAss". With women, it's either Good Guy all the way or JerkAss all the way, I can't just switch in the middle of knowing a person.

....wut. Why would you want to be a "JerkAss" to pick up girls? I'm so confused.

lol

That's easy. Boobies.

https://www.msu.edu/course/isb/202/ebertmay/images/boobies.jpg
So what about 'em?

....wut. Why would you want to be a "JerkAss" to pick up girls? I'm so confused.

'Cause it always WORKS. I don't WANT to be, but I kinda have to be. Which is just sad, because I generally reject the "Girls want the bad boys" stereotype, but it always plays out for me.

That scenario wouldn't work out for me. Once a girl is my friend, she knows and likes "Rusty the Generally Good Guy". If I tried to start something with her, I've have to switch to "Rusty the JerkAss", and if you like "Rusty the Generally Good Guy", you really dislike "Rusty the JerkAss". With women, it's either Good Guy all the way or JerkAss all the way, I can't just switch in the middle of knowing a person.

What is this bullshit about girls only liking assholes?

Granted, I have a thing for guys who are assholes...but not assholes to ME. There's a big difference, and the assholism needs to be backed up with something, like...having a point.

What is this bullshit about girls only liking assholes?

Hey, I'd be much happier if I just making this shit up, but it's played out a few too many times for me.

Granted, I have a thing for guys who are assholes...but not assholes to ME. There's a big difference, and the assholism needs to be backed up with something, like...having a point.

Yeah, that's basically how it happens for me. I don't go out and wail on girls, but I just act more of a jerk to everybody.

https://www.msu.edu/course/isb/202/ebertmay/images/boobies.jpg
So what about 'em?

They're so cute when they bounce around! :wink:

They're so cute when they bounce around! :wink:

Lulz.

'Cause it always WORKS. I don't WANT to be, but I kinda have to be. Which is just sad, because I generally reject the "Girls want the bad boys" stereotype, but it always plays out for me.

Maybe it's because JerkAss comes across as more confident, and NiceRusty is a whiny little bitch?

No one likes a whiny little bitch :p

Maybe it's because JerkAss comes across as more confident, and NiceRusty is a whiny little bitch?

No one likes a whiny little bitch :p

Yeah, maybe. Nobody should like JerkAss, though. He's a total Jerk... Ass.

I mean, he goes around destroying everybody else's confidence and occasionally hitting them.

They're so cute when they bounce around! :wink:

The booby; the dopiest of the Earthican birds.

http://www.prlog.org/10177928-blue-footed-booby.jpg

They're so cute when they bounce around! :wink:

So, the calendar hanging on my wall is from the World Wildlife Fund, and features pictures of various cute animals. The March picture was of two boobies. Do you know how many terrible jokes I had to make about having a calendar featuring a pair of cute, big boobies on my wall? :D

Question for the guys. Do you really not like a woman spending time on the parts of your body that aren't your penis?

Question for the guys. Do you really not like a woman spending time on the parts of your body that aren't your penis?

There's other parts?! :eek:

Question for the guys. Do you really not like a woman spending time on the parts of your body that aren't your penis?

It's alright, but the human wang really is where all the action happens.

Question for the guys. Do you really not like a woman spending time on the parts of your body that aren't your penis?

I'm a big fan of being touched on the chest and the sides of the face. Also, in certain situations, hands on the ass pulling towards her.

Bitter much?

I'm going to modify a phrase I'm stealing from Bottle. The only thing in common with all the girls who don't want to go out with you, is you.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3045/2685304633_40ab84959b_o.jpg

Guys just seem awfully hasty to get penile attention, and I get all distracted when I'm sitting on said protuberance, and often don't notice until after that all the oral attention I wanted to lavish on the rest of his body sort of got forgotten.

Question for the guys. Do you really not like a woman spending time on the parts of your body that aren't your penis?

My ears for some reason. Also massages with that passion fruit oil that heats up when you blow on it are nice.

My ears for some reason. Also massages with that passion fruit oil that heats up when you blow on it are nice.

Ears and neck for me.

My body is very much a touchy type.

Soft and subtle strokes and brushes, kissing and biting even. I'm wholly into the whole touchy feely thing. Hmm, why I'm saying this though? I'unno, is there really anything better for me to be doing? Maybe.

And women...when your man fucks around on you, do you go after the chick, or him? I don't get why so many of us go after just the woman. Tsk.

Ears and neck for me.

Necks hold good memories for me. I used to have a gf where all I had to do was kiss her neck and we were having sex there and then.

And women...when your man fucks around on you, do you go after the chick, or him? I don't get why so many of us go after just the woman. Tsk.

Because, men are horny out of control creatures that can't stop. Therefore, it's all the other woman's fault. She forced him into it, obviously.

:D

Yeah, I'm not really sure what's being accomplished here, can any men toss us some possible answers? Cuz I'm inclined to go with, "because they're insecure dickless little boys" but that would be mean and unhelpful.

Minus the dickless, you're probably right. I know, because I will be one of those guys in the future.

Why is that such a.. big question?

I don't know in what world (fine, City/Town) you live in because I don't see too many guy's doing ye' old cat whistle. I do have friends who will do it to girls rather unfit or young to jeer them and be complete sarcastic dicks, but.. I.. hmm.

I guess it'd be for the same reason a girl (or car full of girls) pull up to random guys, seemingly giggle, and speed off as we're left clueless and 'Wow, that was.. pointless.. but she was sort of cute..'

I s'pose..

Necks hold good memories for me. I used to have a gf where all I had to do was kiss her neck and we were having sex there and then.
Back of my neck. My weak spot. Sometimes all it takes is just breathing on it. Damn. Damn damn damn. There have been a few times where I deliberately wore turtle necks to thwart this ploy.
Because, men are horny out of control creatures that can't stop. Therefore, it's all the other woman's fault. She forced him into it, obviously.
Yes, when my ex cheated the two times I found out about, it basically boiled down to us fighting and him feeling unappreciated. What a bitch I was to unappreciate him! Good thing that other girl appreciated him enough to give him STIs, and I'm so happy he appreciated me enough to pass her appreciation on!

Okay in less bizarre circumstances, I had a bf cheat on me with a friend of mine. So I got him back. I dumped him and fucked her. She said I was better in bed.

Wait, did I say less bizarre?

:D

And women...when your man fucks around on you, do you go after the chick, or him? I don't get why so many of us go after just the woman. Tsk.

Both, and the worst of the anger is definitely reserved for him. I am, however, also more likely to forgive him eventually, since presumably I liked/loved him in the first place, whereas I have no need to forgive "that random bitch who fucked my man," and thus can cheerfully wish plagues of boils on her for eternity.

Okay in less bizarre circumstances, I had a bf cheat on me with a friend of mine. So I got him back. I dumped him and fucked her. She said I was better in bed.

Ok, I don't even know what to say to that. You have rendered me speechless.

Back of my neck. My weak spot. Sometimes all it takes is just breathing on it. Damn. Damn damn damn. There have been a few times where I deliberately wore turtle necks to thwart this ploy.

Yes, when my ex cheated the two times I found out about, it basically boiled down to us fighting and him feeling unappreciated. What a bitch I was to unappreciate him! Good thing that other girl appreciated him enough to give him STIs, and I'm so happy he appreciated me enough to pass her appreciation on!

Okay in less bizarre circumstances, I had a bf cheat on me with a friend of mine. So I got him back. I dumped him and fucked her. She said I was better in bed.

Wait, did I say less bizarre?

:D

Wait, did you say STI?

I'm pretty sure you did.

Back of my neck. My weak spot. Sometimes all it takes is just breathing on it. Damn. Damn damn damn. There have been a few times where I deliberately wore turtle necks to thwart this ploy.



I love attention paid to my neck, whether it's kissing or sucking or nibbling or caressing or choking or...y'know, I should actually stop describing this now if I want to accomplish anything this afternoon. :tongue:

And women...when your man fucks around on you, do you go after the chick, or him? I don't get why so many of us go after just the woman. Tsk.

I think this ties back to the "why are women irrationally hateful towards other women" question we had a few pages back.

Minus the dickless, you're probably right. I know, because I will be one of those guys in the future.Why would you aspire to such a thing?

Why is that such a.. big question?

I don't know in what world (fine, City/Town) you live in because I don't see too many guy's doing ye' old cat whistle. I do have friends who will do it to girls rather unfit or young to jeer them and be complete sarcastic dicks, but.. I.. hmm.

I guess it'd be for the same reason a girl (or car full of girls) pull up to random guys, seemingly giggle, and speed off as we're left clueless and 'Wow, that was.. pointless.. but she was sort of cute..'

I s'pose..

If you've got boobs, you've probably been catcalled more than once. I got somewhat immune to it travelling in latin america where it's still pretty much okay to do things like stop and stare and make comments (though I recently saw this done on the street in Montreal and it was epic), or drive by making various noises. In Chile, a friend and I went for a walk to the beach in our jeans and sweat shirts and messy hair hastily done up in ponytails and we STILL got catcalled. A cabby drove by and he actually had a fucking MACHINE in his car that, when he pushed the button, emitted the 'hey sexy' whistle. I guess he worse his own whistler out.

I routinely get catcalled, and it's not from the construction workers down by where I walk to the bus everyday...it's from chicken-shit men up in the highrises out on their balconies who duck back into their apartments when you look at them.

Wait, did you say STI?

I'm pretty sure you did.
Yup! He gave me chlamydia and trichomoniasis (I was 7 weeks pregnant with my second daughter to boot). That's how I found out the second time. I found out the first time because the...lady... in question called me to ask if I had any diseases she should know about. Classssssy. He also gave me herpes. Very generous guy.

Both, and the worst of the anger is definitely reserved for him. I am, however, also more likely to forgive him eventually, since presumably I liked/loved him in the first place, whereas I have no need to forgive "that random bitch who fucked my man," and thus can cheerfully wish plagues of boils on her for eternity.
This is a very good point.
I love attention paid to my neck, whether it's kissing or sucking or nibbling or caressing or choking or...y'know, I should actually stop describing this now if I want to accomplish anything this afternoon. :tongue:Too late. Seriously, I know it's mostly my own fault, but someone needs to develop some sort of libido-dampener for me.

Why would you aspire to such a thing?



If you've got boobs, you've probably been catcalled more than once. I got somewhat immune to it travelling in latin america where it's still pretty much okay to do things like stop and stare and make comments (though I recently saw this done on the street in Montreal and it was epic), or drive by making various noises. In Chile, a friend and I went for a walk to the beach in our jeans and sweat shirts and messy hair hastily done up in ponytails and we STILL got catcalled. A cabby drove by and he actually had a fucking MACHING in his car that, when he pushed the button, emitted the 'hey sexy' whistle. I guess he worse his own whistler out.

I routinely get catcalled, and it's not from the construction workers down by wear I walk to the bus everyday...it's from chicken-shit men up in the highrises out on their balconies who duck back into their apartments when you look at them.

Sadly, I have a Penis.

No, wait. Not really much to be sad about there.

Though, I understand that would have to be annoying.. then, again, I'd just flaunt it if I were you and seemingly not really care. Why? Because there's not a lot of harm being done, unless I suppose you're egotistical in which case <3. Ego's are sexy.

Anyway, I think the worst I've ever done was just looked upon a few good faces (and chests.. and backsides) for a bit longer than one would call appropriate. Then, again, who doesn't seem to stop and stare at something (or some one, which is the case here) that they find attractive? It isn't as if we're talking about a guy running up to you, squeezing your ass and then giving you a sly wink as he runs back from the squirrely for which he came.

In all honesty, I find it as trivial as why people think honking at me will make me drive any more the way they'd rather see the world drive. I suppose that's a lame comparison, but hey - it works.

Hmm, what else to make this post any longer..

Too late. Seriously, I know it's mostly my own fault, but someone needs to develop some sort of libido-dampener for me.

I could send you a picture of myself. It's always worked before.

Yup! He gave me chlamydia and trichomoniasis. That's how I found out the second time. I found out the first time because the...lady... in question called me to ask if I had any diseases she should know about. Classssssy. He also gave me herpes. Very generous guy.


This is a very good point.
Too late. Seriously, I know it's mostly my own fault, but someone needs to develop some sort of libido-dampener for me.

I'm very fortunate, I say, to of dodged the Herpes. I had a somewhat similar scenario but with more than one person casually bringing the topic up throughout the rest of that year or so.

"Did ya here about Mic..."

Oh, maybe I shouldn't go on with that. :3

Hmm, well, I suppose the best I can say to you is - Ouch, that very much sucks. *pat pat*

Question for the guys. Do you really not like a woman spending time on the parts of your body that aren't your penis?

my head. I love a good head massage. Her fingers running though my hair...

I, being a guy who has more girls who are friends than guys, and who feels more comfortable talking to girls than guys, can attest to this. Women are far more dirty minded than most men I know, as the normal guy conversation actually involves very little sexual content. We have simple brains, ladies, and we can only focus on one thing at a time. :D

and why most guys stare at women's breasts... there are TWO of em and we can't decide which one to focus on. :D

I could send you a picture of myself. It's always worked before.

What ever happened to the Image whore contests?

I'm pretty sure this is about the time of year, too...

Okay in less bizarre circumstances, I had a bf cheat on me with a friend of mine. So I got him back. I dumped him and fucked her. She said I was better in bed.

Wait, did I say less bizarre?

:D


the perfect revenge... :tongue:

Anyway, I think the worst I've ever done was just looked upon a few good faces (and chests.. and backsides) for a bit longer than one would call appropriate. Then, again, who doesn't seem to stop and stare at something (or some one, which is the case here) that they find attractive? It isn't as if we're talking about a guy running up to you, squeezing your ass and then giving you a sly wink as he runs back from the squirrely for which he came.

One thing I really love about being a woman, is that I can stare inappropriately and mostly get away with it. At men and women. In fact, I can keep my eyes glued on a woman's big, thick, round ass, and she's probably not going to slap me for it.

K, guys squeezing my ass, HUGE pet peeve of mine, FUCK. I don't know why they think they're going to get away with it. This has happened more than once...the most recent occurence was at a Blues bar, this drunk old man grabbed my ass. He then had the gall to come stand with us when we were smoking outside. I pointed at him and told him if he touched me again, I'd fucking clock him. My good friend looks at me, looks at him and says, "This is the guy!?" I nod, and he knocks the idiot on his ass. Very satisfying...except I wanted to do it :(

I'm very fortunate, I say, to of dodged the Herpes. I had a somewhat similar scenario but with more than one person casually bringing the topic up throughout the rest of that year or so.

"Did ya here about Mic..."

Oh, maybe I shouldn't go on with that. :3

Hmm, well, I suppose the best I can say to you is - Ouch, that very much sucks. *pat pat*

Well, to be fair, it's simplex I which is the supposedly 'oral' version, but isn't really if you don't get it there. Anyway, point is, tonnes of people have herpes and don't know it, including those that think there's no way they could have got it. It hasn't been a problem...I've only had the initial outbreak, but still. Now that I know, I have to disclose, and while it's not a big deal now, it was pretty hard to get used to, rather difficult for the self-esteem and such. I've only had one person say no when they found out...and she ended up calling and texting me a million times after so I suppose that changed to 'yes', I just wasn't interested at that point :P

One thing I really love about being a woman, is that I can stare inappropriately and mostly get away with it. At men and women. In fact, I can keep my eyes glued on a woman's big, thick, round ass, and she's probably not going to slap me for it.

K, guys squeezing my ass, HUGE pet peeve of mine, FUCK. I don't know why they think they're going to get away with it. This has happened more than once...the most recent occurence was at a Blues bar, this drunk old man grabbed my ass. He then had the gall to come stand with us when we were smoking outside. I pointed at him and told him if he touched me again, I'd fucking clock him. My good friend looks at me, looks at him and says, "This is the guy!?" I nod, and he knocks the idiot on his ass. Very satisfying...except I wanted to do it :(

aha.. no ass kicking for you.

I've been in the very awkward situation of connecting with old female friends (Just friends) from High School who wouldn't have a thing to do with me beyond just being Friends (for the simple matter of me being Overweight and Socially Unwanted in them olden days). Wait, that sort of makes me think of a question.. but I won't really care to ask it I suppose.

I just think it's funny a lot of people, guy or gal alike, who avoided me like some plague then do everything they can to try to get my attention now. Sort of just blow it off :D. It's fun, sometimes.

Sorry, I spent a good 7 minutes deciding how I wanted to write that. I can't really think of a good way.. so.. bah.. whatever.

Well, to be fair, it's simplex II which is the supposedly 'oral' version, but isn't really if you don't get it there. Anyway, point is, tonnes of people have herpes and don't know it, including those that think there's no way they could have got it.

Actually, HSV-1 is the oral form.

Actually, HSV-1 is the oral form.

Sorry, had I typed it that way I wouldn't have f-d it up. You are correct, and I misspelled.

Sorry, had I typed it that way I wouldn't have f-d it up. You are correct, and I misspelled.

So you meant that you got HSV-1?

Pfhhh, that's not so bad; I got it by default, I was born with it. Although I guess it would suck... down there.

aha.. no ass kicking for you.

I've been in the very awkward situation of connecting with old female friends (Just friends) from High School who wouldn't have a thing to do with me beyond just being Friends (for the simple matter of me being Overweight and Socially Unwanted in them olden days). Wait, that sort of makes me think of a question.. but I won't really care to ask it I suppose.

I just think it's funny a lot of people, guy or gal alike, who avoided me like some plague then do everything they can to try to get my attention now. Sort of just blow it off :D. It's fun, sometimes.

Sorry, I spent a good 7 minutes deciding how I wanted to write that. I can't really think of a good way.. so.. bah.. whatever.
You want to know something about people being attracted to you now, you back in the day treated you like shit or at least weren't attracted to you then.

Well I think it happens to a lot of people. Folks that brushed them off or who weren't all that into them before see them years later and are all 'mmmm'. It can be fun to mess around with those people, if they've turned into interesting folks. It can also be reaaaaaly satisfying to blow them off if they're still assholes.

So you meant that you got HSV-1?

Pfhhh, that's not so bad; I got it by default, I was born with it. Although I guess it would suck... down there.

Meh. Like I said, one flareup, that's when I found out I had it, because I got swabbed during an outbreak. You can't pick it up with regular STI testing, only during an actual outbreak, so most people will never know they have it. It can also lay dormant for like 10 freaking years. And you know, with oral being sort of standard with most models now instead of optional, it's a lot more common 'down there'.

What...you think a vagina makes us inherently more noble than men?

I know a lot of women who have guy friends they constantly flirt with, but would never actually fuck. But you see, it's a fine line. You tend to be comfortable with friends, and say things that are more outrageous than you would say with people not as close. So there is also the issue of miscommunication. Just because your female friend talks to you about sex a lot, it doesn't mean she's thinking of doing those things with you.

Other way round, in my experience.

I'm quite happy to just flirt, and quite happy to talk about sex when I feel comfortable. I like the subject of sex. It's an endless buffet of communication possibility. And women always seem to take that as a green light that I want to do the unspeakable things we had just been talking about... to them. Then they start shuffling their appointments, and telling you when their S.O. is out of town, etc... awkward.

Meh. Like I said, one flareup, that's when I found out I had it, because I got swabbed during an outbreak. You can't pick it up with regular STI testing, only during an actual outbreak, so most people will never know they have it. It can also lay dormant for like 10 freaking years. And you know, with oral being sort of standard with most models now instead of optional, it's a lot more common 'down there'.

So the better solution to curing it would just be making it the Standard in today's healthy, human body.

That way we can ALL stop worrying about it.... yay....

Well we don't.

Tcha. Not with that attitude.

Other way round, in my experience.

I'm quite happy to just flirt, and quite happy to talk about sex when I feel comfortable. I like the subject of sex. It's an endless buffet of communication possibility. And women always seem to take that as a green light that I want to do the unspeakable things we had just been talking about... to them. Then they start shuffling their appointments, and telling you when their S.O. is out of town, etc... awkward.

Yeah, same with me. And I'd never flirt with someone who I wouldn't go further with.

Although, to be fair, JerkAss Rusty would.

Other way round, in my experience.

I'm quite happy to just flirt, and quite happy to talk about sex when I feel comfortable. I like the subject of sex. It's an endless buffet of communication possibility. And women always seem to take that as a green light that I want to do the unspeakable things we had just been talking about... to them. Then they start shuffling their appointments, and telling you when their S.O. is out of town, etc... awkward.

Lol....

That's a pretty excellent point actually. There have been a couple times I've gone...hmmm...but I usually ask, find out one way or another, and then move on :D It makes for less awkwardness when you establish with your friends whether or not you'd be interested in fucking them.

Although I have one friend who constantly likes to remind me I can't have her. While she's half naked in the lingerie change-room with her arms on either side of my head, leaning in and asking if the corset looks good on her.




Bitch.

So the better solution to curing it would just be making it the Standard in today's healthy, human body.

That way we can ALL stop worrying about it.... yay....

Hahahahahha, pretty much.

You check out every rack because you don't want to miss something that is absolutely perfect for you, and you can't be sure you won't do that unless you check!


I have to point out - this isn't just a girl thing, even with clothes. But - once you get away from clothes, there'll be something.

In my case, it's movies. A trip into a store with a decent selection of movies (so - NOT just the latest big names) can easily be an hour for me. ANd if there are sale items, or even a second-hand section, you can bet I'll check every single title.

Like you say, you might miss the perfect thing - and I have CAUGHT the perfect thing enough times (I paid $5 for my copies of both "Equilibrium" and "Gabriel", for example - and my boxset of the "Alien" movies only cost me about $30) to know that it's ALWAYS worth at least checking. :)

I have to point out - this isn't just a girl thing,

Kindly refer to us as women, thanks.


:D

Jerks are always jerks though.

Which doesn't necessarily determine which category they'll end up in.. :)

Which doesn't necessarily determine which category they'll end up in.. :)

S'true.

Here's a question...do men actually think about what they wear? I mean...women are VERY aware of what they're putting on, what shows off their ass best, etc.

I've met a few guys who seemed to put some planning into their outfit (dirty sluts!), and it surprised me.

Some guys care what they wear, a lot don't.

That doesn't have to mean hours of primping, or an expensive wardrobe - I wear a lot of black because it looks great on me, I wear 501's because they give me an ass to die for, etc.

The difference between the genders here, is that guys aren't all in on the conspiracy... probably because we don't really have the culture or the media that pushes (an equivalent of) Cosmo on us, and urges us to conform.

Yeah, well... turns out men are just as insecure about their looks as women, and we honestly don't know if we're any good looking, so we all rank ourselves as "ok".


Speak for yourself!

I'm pretty as fuck.

Why is the display of the male leg so much more controversial than the display of the female leg? No, seriously!

http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/2861/96721958.jpg

That's much more likely to be considered risque on a man. It would not be at all on a woman.

I think it's funny when a female spends so much time 'prettying up'.

I mean, I'll appreciate the fact that a female would spend so much time to make her self look more appealing but personally I don't really hold it as a requirement I suppose. *eyebrow raise*

I like eyebrow raising.

It makes me feel perky.

Now I keep doing it. Aha.. I'm so not funny. :3

Why is the display of the male leg so much more controversial than the display of the female leg? No, seriously!

http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/2861/96721958.jpg

That's much more likely to be considered risque on a man. It would not be at all on a woman.

For the same reason guys in the West aren't supposed to wear skirts or dresses. Bunch of malarky. Many men have absolutely delicious legs.

For the same reason guys in the West aren't supposed to wear skirts or dresses. Bunch of malarky. Many men have absolutely delicious legs.

That's why I always wear kilts. *nod*

I think it's funny when a female spends so much time 'prettying up'.

I mean, I'll appreciate the fact that a female would spend so much time to make her self look more appealing but personally I don't really hold it as a requirement I suppose. *eyebrow raise*

I like eyebrow raising.

It makes me feel perky.

Now I keep doing it. Aha.. I'm so not funny. :3

The grooming process is fun. You pamper yourself. It's all about feeling good. Taking a long hot bath, shaving, getting out, putting on lotion, drying your hair, getting dressed, makeup, do your hair, etc...it's a ritual to get you all excited about the infinite possibilities that lay before you as you prepare to exit your abode and seek adventure.

Ninny.

All of you kilt wearers.

/kidding

My ex was infatuated with my legs apparently, now that we've stumbled upon this topic of male legs. Hmm..

That's why I always wear kilts. *nod*
Thank goodness for kilts!

The grooming process is fun. You pamper yourself. It's all about feeling good. Taking a long hot bath, shaving, getting out, putting on lotion, drying your hair, getting dressed, makeup, do your hair, etc...it's a ritual to get you all excited about the infinite possibilities that lay before you as you prepare to exit your abode and seek adventure.

I mean, I pamper my self to 'look better' before I go outside.. or, hell, out of the bathroom.

I'm freak about my hair, especially now that I'm trying the 'longer/shaggier' look (mostly because I'm a lazy ass nowadays). :3

Pic incoming? Maybe..

For the same reason guys in the West aren't supposed to wear skirts or dresses. Bunch of malarky. Many men have absolutely delicious legs.
This is more recent than that - short shorts were OK just a generation ago! Just look at basketball players in the 1970s, or the Magnum PI TV show. Shorts much shorter than those (and I had to trim down the shortest pair of men's black shorts I found in the thrift store to get to what you see in the picture.)

Even shorts about two inches longer than those are considered "short" shorts on a man, even though women's shorts are almost always even shorter than that.

I positively detest the world of men's fashion.

Lol....

That's a pretty excellent point actually. There have been a couple times I've gone...hmmm...but I usually ask, find out one way or another, and then move on :D It makes for less awkwardness when you establish with your friends whether or not you'd be interested in fucking them.

Although I have one friend who constantly likes to remind me I can't have her. While she's half naked in the lingerie change-room with her arms on either side of my head, leaning in and asking if the corset looks good on her.




Bitch.

She's one step away from begging you, you know?

Kindly refer to us as women, thanks.


:D

When was the last time you saw a t-shirt with 'It's a woman thing, you wouldn't understand' on it?

:D