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I've observed on media that Islam is a much more powerful source of contention than it is here in North America. I've also noticed that some British members of NSG vocalize a lot of anti-Islam sentiment, notwithstanding majority NSG's stance on religion of course.

In the anti-Islam perspective, some of the misgivings of Islamic integration which I've read on various sources, ranging from the Al-Jazeera to the anal fissures of Stormfront is that:

- Islam is destroying European culture
- Islam is destroying European politics and liberal ideals

and so on.

Is the "Islamic threat" merely an inflated CNN phenomenon entirely unrepresentative of the appreciative, docile aspect of the European Muslim population, or is there a genuine radicalization in this group of people?

If that is true, would European members, and especially UK members describe how Islam/Muslims are affecting European culture and politics, and to what extent has political Islamification in Europe undergone?




In my Canadian perspective, immigrant Muslims seem like a more conservative group of people who are more concerned with putting food on the table, rather than what media has apparently portrayed Muslims as being a bunch of protesting extremists.

The only Islamification I've seen here is the establishment of mosques and halal markets, which I wholly welcome as a benefit of peaceful multiculturalism in the post-9/11 era, where ordinary citizens get a chance to witness the average-Muhammad side of Islam.

Btw, I have yet to see Little Mosque in the Praries.

its not that Europe is afraid of a bunch of whiney teenagers trying to be hardcore its more that we just hate them in general :) (think of them as "spics")

not that I hate them of course racism is for the poor >_>

Boxxy + avatar = love rawr rawr rawr

Is the "Islamic threat" merely an inflated CNN phenomenon entirely unrepresentative of the appreciative, docile aspect of the European Muslim population, or is there a genuine radicalization in this group of people?
There is something going on, but it's different to the usual, straight "culture clash" explanation offered by those who would answer it by forbidding Mosques and deporting people.

It's a general failure by all sides to recognise what multiculturalism actually is, to the point where people decide between a false dichotomy of either being "European/White" or being "Foreign/Muslim/Arab". Immigrants (and particularly their kids) don't want to give up their own identity and hence feel like they have to reject participation in European lifestyle and public debate. Natives see the addition of anyone not of a classical European background as a threat to society as they see it. In some cases the latter are right, though that implies that they don't really understand what "society" is in the first place.

There is heaps of other things going on as well (go through the Spiegel International (http://www.spiegel.de/international/) website archives, they've been running articles on this issue for years), but that's essentially it. A false belief that there is such a thing as a right not to be offended, and a false belief that even if there were, the existence of culturally different groups should constitute something offensive in the first place.

its not that Europe is afraid of a bunch of whiney teenagers trying to be hardcore its more that we just hate them in general :) (think of them as "spics")

not that I hate them of course racism is for the poor >_>

I am going to assume that you mean the BNP-movement is popular amongst the native UK youth.

hurr hurr Boxxyqueen whar are u we wants moar :(



A false belief that there is such a thing as a right not to be offended, and a false belief that even if there were, the existence of culturally different groups should constitute something offensive in the first place.

This is a major issue that I find wronged and abuse by both sides.

its only a problem if you read the daily fail or the sun, in which case theres not much hope for you anyway...

its only a problem if you read the daily fail or the sun, in which case theres not much hope for you anyway...

As I stated in my OP, I read mostly Al Jazeera, which I consider bettar quality than other networks.

Besides, what is wrong with reading CNN? CNN gets their shit together faster than most other networks. If you can get past their prejudice and biases, CNN is a perfectly acceptable source to keep up with your latest news (election results, regional conflicts).

As I stated in my OP, I read mostly Al Jazeera, which I consider bettar quality than other networks.

Besides, what is wrong with reading CNN? CNN gets their shit together faster than most other networks. If you can get past their prejudice and biases, CNN is a perfectly acceptable source to keep up with your latest news (election results, regional conflicts).

i dont think i mentioned CNN in my post, lol, but i dont consider it to be a problem here, if people have a problem with muslims, i assume its due to there igorance or lack of a diverse education and social upbringing

my take on europe. Poles = Mexicans Muslims = blacks.

I am going to assume that you mean the BNP-movement is popular amongst the native UK youth.

less youths more just working class trying to be all rebellious (like the aforementioned "eXtremist" Muslims being all teens/fucking students)

the way to counter this should be to just make communism/anarchy cool again

hurr hurr Boxxyqueen whar are u we wants moar :(

shes watching over us like the angel she is *nods*

its only a problem if you read the daily fail or the sun, in which case theres not much hope for you anyway...

have you read the star? (the newspaper for homeless people)

also the new bsg is decent and doesn't have some of the bullshit that annoys me about sci-fi *is paid by the US government for hijacking*

You want a good take on the subject, check out Mark Steyn's books, or maybe Oriana Fallaci, or Ayaan Hirsi Ali.

You should be able to find English versions of Fallaci's books on Amazon.

The "Muslim Problem" in the UK and Europe is similar to the "Jewish Problem" Germany once had.

Is the "Islamic threat" merely an inflated CNN phenomenon entirely unrepresentative of the appreciative, docile aspect of the European Muslim population, or is there a genuine radicalization in this group of people?

If that is true, would European members, and especially UK members describe how Islam/Muslims are affecting European culture and politics, and to what extent has political Islamification in Europe undergone?

A bit not-completely-sober, so take this as you will, and this is off the cuff before I go to sleep.

My immediate thoughts are that, at least historically, European countries have experienced a homogeneity dissimilar to the North American countries (or, rather, USA and Canada). On the other hand, there may be something to be said of the second and third generation effect, in which that generation tends to try to find a cultural identifier that distinguishes them from the culture they've been assimilated into; combined with the contemporary politicized nature of a religion that is prone to politicization (this is not a bad thing or a good thing, Judaism experiences it, as well, though I can't think of, off the top of my head, any other "religions of law"; it is simply a thing that I think is a natural byproduct of "religions of law"), certain predispositions within certain groups are not surprising.

On the other hand, there is also a major difference of self-selection that occurs within the European immigrant population. It isn't completely infeasible, though it is just an idea that I don't know how much real merit it possesses after a bit of actual data, that the Muslim immigrant populations that find residence in European countries are going to be demographically distinct from those in the Americas (in terms of wealth, networking capability, "work ethic" [I fucking hate calling it that], what-have-you).

Pretty much, at least from what I know and have seen, I don't really feel that there is enough data to provide a useful analysis.

I need multivitamins and water, now, so I don't wake up hung-over. I bid you, good night.

There isn't a serious Muslim problem at the moment, but there could be soon.

Unless you think Hotwife is European, I am not really sure what you are talking about. There was that racist troll yesterday but that is certainly not typical of European attitudes to Muslims.

Unless you think Hotwife is European, I am not really sure what you are talking about. There was that racist troll yesterday but that is certainly not typical of European attitudes to Muslims.

He's possibly talking about me.

There isn't a serious Muslim problem at the moment, but there could be soon.

If it becomes serious, do you have a solution?

There isn't a serious Muslim problem at the moment, but there could be soon.

How do you define a 'serious problem' in this context?

but that is certainly not typical of European attitudes to Muslims.

don't lie.

If it becomes serious, do you have a solution?

make them fight the Slavs?

There isn't a serious Muslim problem at the moment, but there could be soon.

If it becomes serious, do you have a solution?

make them fight the Slavs?

I'm not sure that sounds final enough.

If it becomes serious, do you have a solution?

I made a thread about this very recently actually. If it becomes serious then deport the extremists, radicals etc.

I'm not sure that sounds final enough.

like the Muslims will win *stirs things up in the Balkans because its a slow news week*

I made a thread about this very recently actually. If it becomes serious then deport the extremists, radicals etc.

thats not how you control extremists (Ireland much?) what we should do is monitor and prod radical groups so that they never get large and powerful

like we do anyway

(Ireland much?)

Did we deport IRA members?

Speaking as someone from the land of Wilders:

In the Netherlands most muslims come from Morocco and Turkey, and congregate in the cities. The overwhelming majority only has minimal education, meaning that they mostly live in the poorer neighbourhoods, which they adorn with satellite dishes. They tend to be unable to keep their children under control, mostly due to not even knowing what their children are doing. As such, their neighbourhoods are not only poor, but centers of crime as well. A recent list of the 20 worst neighbourhoods, based on crimerates, living conditions and so on, in the Netherlands was practically identical to a list of the 20 neighbourhoods with the most significant muslim population.

Especially Moroccan youths have also recently been involved in several incidents that severely hurted their image - like molesting ambulance staff that was trying to give first aid. A subculture seems to have arisen - and it is not a desireable one.

The Turks on the other hand barely cause any significant problems. Then again, a lot of the adults (especially those who did not like the teachings of Ataturk) still barely speak Dutch, even after living here for over 20 years. The women also tend to wear Burkhas instead of the headscarfs the Moroccan ladies favour. Burkhas scare people.

The problem is that the Dutch government has refused to acknowledge a problem existed for decades, with a "we must be tolerant of different ways of life". The general population however disagrees. 9/11 (or 11/9 :p) was a catalyst - suddenly it became acceptable to be intolerant.

Now, obviously yelling "muslims are evil" like Wilders does will not solve the problem. But it is obvious why his words appeal to many.

don't lie.



I am not. If you can show me a consistent pattern of anti-Muslim posts from Europeans on NSG that is anything close to the sentiments expressed by Hotwife you might change my mind.

I live in Leicester which has pretty one of the highest percentage Asian population in the UK and I am not coming across much anti-Muslim feeling.

If you looked at the membership of the BNP when it got leaked you would realise how few members it has.

Geert Wilders didn't get a great deal of support when he was thrown out the country.

I've observed on media that Islam is a much more powerful source of contention than it is here in North America. I've also noticed that some British members of NSG vocalize a lot of anti-Islam sentiment, notwithstanding majority NSG's stance on religion of course.

Well, I am not European, but here are some things that have happened in the last year that might sway them this way (BTW, these are all coming from Britain)

We had Lord Chief Justice Phillips arguing in favour of Sharia Law; that would worry anyone now, would it not? Sharia Law, you know the type of law that Afghanistan had before 9/11. Then we had the case of Hamza, and his attempt to not be deported back to the US (where he faced a 100 year sentence). We also had a boy being banned from swimming at the pool in Clissold Leisure Centre because he wasn't Muslim.

Then, to add something Dutch, let us not forget about the murder of van Gogh after he produced his film "Submission"

I could spend all night finding stories like this. In North America, most immigrants are respectful of the existing culture and make an attempt to fit in. In Europe, the immigrants are trying to force their culture onto others and it is going to cause a massive problem - mark my words, I think that Muslims will end up being persecuted like the Jews were in the 1930s and 1940s.

I am not. If you can show me a consistent pattern of anti-Muslim posts from Europeans on NSG that is anything close to the sentiments expressed by Hotwife you might change my mind.

I live in Leicester which has pretty one of the highest percentage Asian population in the UK and I am not coming across much anti-Muslim feeling.

If you looked at the membership of the BNP when it got leaked you would realise how few members it has.

Geert Wilders didn't get a great deal of support when he was thrown out the country.

BUT...they had to throw him out, rather than letting him make a fool of himself in public. That speaks to fundamental weaknesses that the government is desperate not to have revealed, or serious weaknesses in the "All is in order" chorus claiming that there isn't a problem in Britain-whether it's a problem of too many skinhead neo-nazis, or too many radicalized muslims looking for an excuse to pick a fight.

It's like engaging a fundamentalist christian in a theological debate-if you have to use force or rudeness to shut him up, it's because your arguments are too weak, or his are too strong.

Did we deport IRA members?

we tried it before the IRA was founded to much contention though we pretty much did it around the country for crimes deemed not fit for hanging (bloody Irish radicals stealing food!)

The Turks on the other hand barely cause any significant problems. Then again, a lot of the adults (especially those who did not like the teachings of Ataturk) still barely speak Dutch, even after living here for over 20 years.

Turk = English :confused:

I live in Leicester which has pretty one of the highest percentage Asian population in the UK and I am not coming across much anti-Muslim feeling.

HS your close enough to touch me but its a countryside sentiment (or rather anywhere that doesn't have Immigrants oddly)

Turk = English :confused:

Turk = Person from Turkey.
Since my whole post was about the Netherlands, I wonder why English would be relevant :p

If it becomes serious then deport the extremists, radicals etc.

Where do you deport your own citizens to?

HS your close enough to touch me but its a countryside sentiment (or rather anywhere that doesn't have Immigrants oddly)

Exactly, ignorance produces unnecessary suspicion and dislike.

Since my whole post was about the Netherlands, I wonder why English would be relevant :p

have you ever heard of how English act abroad >_>

the strange thing is of course that Turks speak good English here (we are colonizing their country though)

Where do you deport your own citizens to?

Australia but what with the sun setting I guess we will have to send them to live out their lives on Bermuda

monstrousness I know

Exactly, ignorance produces unnecessary suspicion and dislike.

which fits my sentiments on London

Where do you deport your own citizens to?

Australia. Damnit, it was good enough once, and it's not even close to being filled up. Plus, this time there'll be quicker turn-around on the boats. Or would you ship them off in planes, instead?

have you ever heard of how English act abroad

Yeah, they get on our TV shows and mercilessly mock poor Americans who just want to sing! They're so cruel to the poor people who know they could make it, if you'd just give them a chance!

There isn't a serious Muslim problem at the moment, but there could be soon.How do you define a 'serious problem' in this context?
No answer yet?

Speaking as someone from the land of Wilders:

In the Netherlands most muslims come from Morocco and Turkey, and congregate in the cities. The overwhelming majority only has minimal education, meaning that they mostly live in the poorer neighbourhoods, which they adorn with satellite dishes. They tend to be unable to keep their children under control, mostly due to not even knowing what their children are doing. As such, their neighbourhoods are not only poor, but centers of crime as well. A recent list of the 20 worst neighbourhoods, based on crimerates, living conditions and so on, in the Netherlands was practically identical to a list of the 20 neighbourhoods with the most significant muslim population.

Especially Moroccan youths have also recently been involved in several incidents that severely hurted their image - like molesting ambulance staff that was trying to give first aid. A subculture seems to have arisen - and it is not a desireable one.

The Turks on the other hand barely cause any significant problems. Then again, a lot of the adults (especially those who did not like the teachings of Ataturk) still barely speak Dutch, even after living here for over 20 years. The women also tend to wear Burkhas instead of the headscarfs the Moroccan ladies favour. Burkhas scare people.

The problem is that the Dutch government has refused to acknowledge a problem existed for decades, with a "we must be tolerant of different ways of life". The general population however disagrees. 9/11 (or 11/9 :p) was a catalyst - suddenly it became acceptable to be intolerant.

Now, obviously yelling "muslims are evil" like Wilders does will not solve the problem. But it is obvious why his words appeal to many.
So it's not really a "Muslim problem" but more of an immigration and lack of integration problem?

We had Lord Chief Justice Phillips arguing in favour of Sharia Law; that would worry anyone now, would it not? Sharia Law, you know the type of law that Afghanistan had before 9/11.
Sharia law is still being used in Afghanistan.

Then we had the case of Hamza, and his attempt to not be deported back to the US (where he faced a 100 year sentence).
Relevance?

Australia but what with the sun setting I guess we will have to send them to live out their lives on Bermuda

We should send them to the Falklands. Then give it to Argentina on the condition they have to keep anyone we sent there.

So it's not really a "Muslim problem" but more of an immigration and lack of integration problem?

Correct. The people that fail to integrate are just mostly muslims - which is why people tend to associate the religion with the problem. Especially since the media rarely mentions something positive.

have you ever heard of how English act abroad >_>

Actually, when they come to LIVE here, they tend to be able to have simple conversations in only a few months in my experience.
As tourists... indeed. But they are hardly alone in that.

Yeah, they get on our TV shows and mercilessly mock poor Americans who just want to sing! They're so cruel to the poor people who know they could make it, if you'd just give them a chance!

such is the white mans burden

We should send them to the Falklands. Then give it to Argentina on the condition they have to keep anyone we sent there.

first it was the Nazi's then it was communists and now its Muslims

Argentina is gonna be ruling the world in 10 years time mark my words

Actually, when they come to LIVE here, they tend to be able to have simple conversations in only a few months in my experience.

I've always understood it that we form our own ghettos but maybe thats just Spain for you.

I guess stoners are more cultured than drunks

Argentina is gonna be ruling the world in 10 years time mark my words

In 10 years, our navy will probably consist of one off-white pedalo (mothballed), so we might as well start sending our crazies out there now while we still have a chance. And ships to send them on.

HS your close enough to touch me but its a countryside sentiment (or rather anywhere that doesn't have Immigrants oddly)

Yes, but the countryside has always been full of ignorant peasants who fuck sheep and worship barn owls; why we ever gave them the vote I don't know.

BUT...they had to throw him out, rather than letting him make a fool of himself in public. That speaks to fundamental weaknesses that the government is desperate not to have revealed, or serious weaknesses in the "All is in order" chorus claiming that there isn't a problem in Britain-whether it's a problem of too many skinhead neo-nazis, or too many radicalized muslims looking for an excuse to pick a fight.

It's like engaging a fundamentalist christian in a theological debate-if you have to use force or rudeness to shut him up, it's because your arguments are too weak, or his are too strong.

Well we have also barred Louis Farrakhan, Fred Phelps as well as Geert Wilders. Why should we let people from other countries come in to the UK to stir up trouble? We have enough morons of our own who work for the Daily Mail to do that.

- Islam is destroying European culture
- Islam is destroying European politics and liberal ideals



...as well as eating cats, defiling white women with their jungle rhythm rap music, being given free cars by the liberal government while white working people fight for sausages out of polish bins....

my take on europe. Poles = Mexicans Muslims = blacks.Hum. A 'merican who spent a year living in Germany described Mexicans as 'Catholic Turks' to me.

Heavy, continued migration is healthy. I have no doubt that it will contribute to an erosion of nationalistic and religious social values and contribute to the creation of an identity separate from ethnicity and religion.

Consider America. While sectarianism continued in much of Europe, Americans sidelined faith. They had to; as the nation expanded, settlers came from the Catholic parts of Germany, from among Scandinavian Lutherans, Dutch Calvinists, and so on. It was hopeless to look to broader society for a reinforcement of belief, and equally hopeless to impose any particular creed. The idea of an "American religious spirit" became more and more broad, eventually including marginalized groups such as the Catholics. Ethnic distinctions also eroded; Italians and Poles, who well into the 60s were seen as foreign, are now as white as the English.

But the American model has its problem: it is just a broadening of categories, categories which become increasingly fuzzy as they expand. At its heart, it is still Christian (or Judeo-Christian) and white. It is quintessentially Western, and it is a triumphalist assertion of Western hegemony, the exclusive validity of Western institutional models and ways of thought. It is a universalist, dogmatic, capitalist system of oppression. It takes spurious commandments then wraps them in the unassailable veneers of "science," "economic law," and "rationalism." Its notion of progress depends upon the concept of darkness: in order for Western Civilization to be a shining beacon, the Africans must be unenlightened savages, the Asians must be oppressive Confucians who are confused about individual rights. Western Civilization is a cancer on this world, and in its own understanding, it has been opposed to the rest of the world since the very beginning.

We can't hope to instantly change everyone's minds within the West, where the cultural values of the people are echoed and reinforced. But, with the presence of assertive minorities, we can hope to undermine the consensus that feeds Western chauvinism and imperialism. Slowly, they will moderate their words; slowly, they will see that their way is not the only way, and they will begin to lose faith in its exclusivity. We will begin to see one another as human beings, and finally begin to address the crippling inequality we have built into our societies. Workers of the world will cast off the ideological bonds that separate them, and they will realize they are brothers and sisters, and the Workers of the World Will Unite.

The only Muslim problem is seeing Muslims as a problem to be fixed. This is the same old imperialistic Western/Oriental dichotomy you've been shitting out for the past 500 years.

You want a good take on the subject, check out Mark Steyn's books, or maybe Oriana Fallaci, or Ayaan Hirsi Ali.

You should be able to find English versions of Fallaci's books on Amazon.

Though Fallaci was a bit of an extremist islamophobe.

Anyway the problem with Muslim in Europe amounts mostly to the integration. Many Muslim immigrants, expecially the newest ones, don't want to integrate (some even refuse the idea of the secular state, or of gender parity). Also many Europeans hate the habits of some Muslim, regarded as outright barbaric, and fear that Muslims are trying to invade Europe peacefully after about 1000 years of failed attempts at a military invasion.

As for my opinion, I think that enforcing the rule-of-law and laicitè (even against Catholic attempts against it) is enough to curb any racism coming from Europeans and any attempt at "islamising" the state coming from Muslim immigrants.

SNIP

being a middle class teenager sucks huh (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=14559092#post14559092)

''Anyway the problem with Muslim in Europe amounts mostly to the integration''

Im a muslim living in the UK, personally i have had no problems with the native population, they r kind generous and very accepting...

I believe everyone needs to make an effort to intergrate where ever they go, but many muslims thinks this means sacrificing ur relgion, no not at all, at the very least LEARN the language of ur host country, BUT at same time retain and learn ur own native tongue, Cooperate and include urself in the community, this is the best way to advertise ur own culture ur bring, whilst learning the culture of the country u r a guest in.

Basically its not unislamic to be a muslim involved in british culture... just order a cola instead of a pint of lagar, replace the pork sausages with lamb kufta in the english break fast and that should be it.


think of it this way, imagine if brits swamped ur native land, started speaking dressing and acting in away that doesnt agree with ur culture, it think the muslim ppls in that nation would be outraged...so think of it as a two way street and intergrate in to ur host nation as much as possible bar losing or impedeing ur faith.

He's possibly talking about me.

Pointing out facts is somehow "racist troll".

Since you want to drag ad hominem attacks into this, here's full disclosure: I'm from a family of industrial workers and currently live in Chicago's inner-city south side, where I juggle both work and school. I am a member of Bob Avakian's Revolutionary Communist Party and regularly participate and help coordinate local Chicago marxist reading groups: http://platypus1917.home.comcast.net/~platypus1917/platypus_readings.html

And I have met Bill Ayers several times and admire not only his present work, but the "ugly stuff" as well.

I am no white middle-class teenager. The only word that's true is "white," but seeing as you're from England, I doubt you would consider my Irish and Belorussian Jewish ancestry to be white.

Since you want to drag ad hominem attacks into this, here's full disclosure: I'm from a family of industrial workers and currently live in Chicago's inner-city south side, where I juggle both work and school. I am a member of Bob Avakian's Revolutionary Communist Party and regularly participate and help coordinate local Chicago marxist reading groups: http://platypus1917.home.comcast.net/~platypus1917/platypus_readings.html

And I have met Bill Ayers several times and admire not only his present work, but the "ugly stuff" as well.

I am no white middle-class teenager.

Don't worry. I killed enough Muslims since 1991 to make up for you not doing any.

''Anyway the problem with Muslim in Europe amounts mostly to the integration''

Im a muslim living in the UK, personally i have had no problems with the native population, they r kind generous and very accepting...

I believe everyone needs to make an effort to intergrate where ever they go, but many muslims thinks this means sacrificing ur relgion, no not at all, at the very least LEARN the language of ur host country, BUT at same time retain and learn ur own native tongue, Cooperate and include urself in the community, this is the best way to advertise ur own culture ur bring, whilst learning the culture of the country u r a guest in.

Basically its not unislamic to be a muslim involved in british culture... just order a cola instead of a pint of lagar, replace the pork sausages with lamb kufta in the english break fast and that should be it.


think of it this way, imagine if brits swamped ur native land, started speaking dressing and acting in away that doesnt agree with ur culture, it think the muslim ppls in that nation would be outraged...so think of it as a two way street and intergrate in to ur host nation as much as possible bar losing or impedeing ur faith.

If only more of your co-religionists thought like you.

<Snip>I briefly wrote up a reply to your first, ad even second paragraph.

When reading the third, I deleted, and just laughed. Or cried. Unsure.

Since you want to drag ad hominem attacks into this, here's full disclosure: I'm from a family of industrial workers and currently live in Chicago's inner-city south side, where I juggle both work and school. I am a member of Bob Avakian's Revolutionary Communist Party and regularly participate and help coordinate local Chicago marxist reading groups: http://platypus1917.home.comcast.net/~platypus1917/platypus_readings.html

Oh, a Marxist, revolutionary Muslim. How misguided can you get?

I am no white middle-class teenager. The only word that's true is "white," but seeing as you're from England, I doubt you would consider my Irish and Belorussian Jewish ancestry to be white.

Wtf are you talking about?

Pointing out facts is somehow "racist troll".

The racist troll I was talking about was October3/El Felcho - I would point you to his posts but they have been removed - he certainly wasn't doing anything other than making unsubstantiated offensive comments.

I am no white middle-class teenager. The only word that's true is "white," but seeing as you're from England, I doubt you would consider my Irish and Belorussian Jewish ancestry to be white.

English people don't consider me white? :eek:

Pointing out facts is somehow "racist troll".

How would you know?

Wtf are you talking about?

I assume he expects English people to call him "swarthy".

SNIP

:fluffle: there thats it the whole immigration debate is solved

I'm from a family of industrial workers and currently live in Chicago's inner-city south side

so you haven't lived a day in the real world gotcha (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J0IuUXHBkaw&feature=channel_page)

this revolution you preach, have you ever lived through one?

I am a member of Bob Avakian's Revolutionary Communist Party and regularly participate and help coordinate local Chicago marxist reading groups

funny how even China has ditched your craziness so they can not have to worry about things like famine

And I have met Bill Ayers several times and admire not only his present work, but the "ugly stuff" as well.

hur hurr its cool to throw rocks at veterans and kill innocent people

I doubt you would consider my Irish and Belorussian Jewish ancestry to be white.

so how many black men are in your party?

Don't worry. I killed enough Muslims since 1991 to make up for you not doing any.

this made me laugh :D

English people don't consider me white? :eek:

you stay away from my sister with your huge penis

you stay away from my sister with your huge penis

Sigging this out of context just seems like cheating :(

Sigging this out of context just seems like cheating :(

iirc there is a penis measuring thread going on somewhere ;)

SNIP

Best post ever.

iirc there is a penis measuring thread going on somewhere ;)

There's only one other competitor. It just wouldn't be fair :p

Don't worry. I killed enough Muslims since 1991 to make up for you not doing any.

Everyone's a soldier on the Internet.

Everyone's a soldier on the Internet.

Well clearly that's a lie.

Pointing out facts is somehow "racist troll".

The most contact you've ever had with a fact is when you met its niece on the street and thought she was a woman who stood you up.

The most contact you've ever had with a fact is when you met its niece on the street and thought she was a woman who stood you up.

Does it make your pathetic existence feel better by constantly sniping at Hotwife over the internet?

Does it make your pathetic existence feel better by constantly sniping at Hotwife over the internet?

Not really, but it helps pass the time. Must be your reason for calling me up in threads I didn't even post at.

as many people have said, its the fact that many immigrants do not want to intergrate into the society of where they have moved that is the reason that there are so many anti-wherever the hell you came from attitudes.

For example, my mum works at a pre-school, and I know of 3 kids who come from foreign families. One from Poland, who is learning english very well, one from India who is also learning english quite well, and one from Turkey, who is not learning english very well. The reason for this is because his father doesnt want him to. So we have a kid in an englis school who cant speak english, and so later on he is going to be held back year after year just because of his father.

Everyone's a soldier on the Internet.

http://www.arrse.co.uk/

troll away and take screen caps

http://www.arrse.co.uk/

troll away and take screen caps

Interesting, Hotwife gloats about having killed Muslims, offers no evidence, and I'm trolling.

Or could it be simply that he's the one you agree with and thus feel a most chivalrous need to protect?

:rolleyes:

Interesting, Hotwife gloats about having killed Muslims, offers no evidence, and I'm trolling.

Or perhaps you're a troll but you get away with it because you're a liberal troll.

Or perhaps you're a troll but you get away with it because you're a liberal troll.

If I'm a troll, by all means, feel free to report me to moderation. Y'know, kinda like Hotwife was for posting the exact kind of BULLSHIT I responded to.

If I'm a troll, by all means, feel free to report me to moderation. Y'know, kinda like Hotwife was for posting the exact kind of BULLSHIT I responded to.

I'll REPORT you WHEN you do SOMETHING trollish. You WEREN'T banned for no REASON. (See, I can randomly capitalise words too.)

Everyone's a soldier on the Internet.

Even teenagers!

If it becomes serious, do you have a solution?

Deporting them is not the answer. we need to not let these people into our country in the first place. do what Australia do and only let qualified people in. we should not these parasites that we call immigrants. espesialy those that are a threat to the state.

as many people have said, its the fact that many immigrants do not want to intergrate into the society of where they have moved that is the reason that there are so many anti-wherever the hell you came from attitudes.

For example, my mum works at a pre-school, and I know of 3 kids who come from foreign families. One from Poland, who is learning english very well, one from India who is also learning english quite well, and one from Turkey, who is not learning english very well. The reason for this is because his father doesnt want him to. So we have a kid in an englis school who cant speak english, and so later on he is going to be held back year after year just because of his father.

lol at the irony. but i see your point. there are two muslim boys at my school- they both speak english (but not very well). one of them has only 1 parent, who doesn't work. so they live in a councel house, are living on benifits and go to britsh schools- all of these are paid for by British tax payers- and yet they don't consider themselves as british and don't intergrate themselves into society and the boy at my school says openly that he hates this country and the people in it. why should we give them all this money for no thanks.
the other boy's dad does not speak english and yet he has a job in this country while so many english speaking british people are unemployed. how is this fair?

lol at the irony. but i see your point. there are two muslim boys at my school- they both speak english (but not very well). one of them has only 1 parent, who doesn't work. so they live in a councel house, are living on benifits and go to britsh schools- all of these are paid for by British tax payers- and yet they don't consider themselves as british and don't intergrate themselves into society and the boy at my school says openly that he hates this country and the people in it. why should we give them all this money for no thanks.
the other boy's dad does not speak english and yet he has a job in this country while so many english speaking british people are unemployed. how is this fair?

It's not fair at all. I made a thread about this a couple of weeks ago. If Muslims come to this country and then start complaining, I think they should be deported, with immediate effect, to Afghanistan, so they can see what a Muslim country's like.

BUT...they had to throw him out, rather than letting him make a fool of himself in public. That speaks to fundamental weaknesses that the government is desperate not to have revealed

The weakness being adherence to law? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racial_and_Religious_Hatred_Act_2006)

It's like engaging a fundamentalist christian in a theological debate-if you have to use force or rudeness to shut him up, it's because your arguments are too weak, or his are too strong.

Right, so if Fred Phelps wants to preach in the White House, throwing him out would be a sign that his arguments are really strong!

Right, so if Fred Phelps wants to preach in the White House, throwing him out would be a sign that his arguments are really strong!

Yes, and telling a racist to shut up makes him right!

It's not fair at all. I made a thread about this a couple of weeks ago. If Muslims come to this country and then start complaining, I think they should be deported, with immediate effect, to Afghanistan, so they can see what a Muslim country's like.

What? So now you're arguing that even complaining about something (anything) should get them deported to a country they might not even be from?

And it's not fair that the immigrant has a job because many english speaking british people are unemployed?

The weakness being adherence to law? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racial_and_Religious_Hatred_Act_2006)

No, Wilders was denied entry because his presence could cause social unrest and riots, endangering public safety. That was the official reason.

Wilders is claiming that Muslims like to riot and are a threat to public safety.

See how easy it is to see the decision of the UK to not let him in as affirming that he is right ? While if they had just let him in, watched the movie and laughed at the shoddy powerpoint that even an 8 year old would be ashamed to hand in for school there would have been a much better message.

lol at the irony. but i see your point. there are two muslim boys at my school- they both speak english (but not very well). one of them has only 1 parent, who doesn't work. so they live in a councel house, are living on benifits and go to britsh schools- all of these are paid for by British tax payers- and yet they don't consider themselves as british and don't intergrate themselves into society and the boy at my school says openly that he hates this country and the people in it. why should we give them all this money for no thanks.
the other boy's dad does not speak english and yet he has a job in this country while so many english speaking british people are unemployed. how is this fair?

Damn foreigners coming over here, stealing our capital letters...

No, Wilders was denied entry because his presence could cause social unrest and riots, endangering public safety. That was the official reason.


You're not disagreeing with me. As it turns out, inciting religious and racial hatred is against the law.


Wilders is claiming that Muslims like to riot and are a threat to public safety.

See how easy it is to see the decision of the UK to not let him in as affirming that he is right ?

Yes, and that's why he did it. Doesn't make him actually right, however, and doesn't mean we should suddenly make an exception for him.


While if they had just let him in, watched the movie and laughed at the shoddy powerpoint that even an 8 year old would be ashamed to hand in for school there would have been a much better message.

Yeah - it's cool to incite religious and racial hatred as long as it's against Muslims. That's the message. You can break UK law, as long as you look comical in doing so.

Damn foreigners coming over here, stealing our capital letters...

nextthey'llbetakingourspaces.

Yeah - it's cool to incite religious and racial hatred as long as it's against Muslims. That's the message. You can break UK law, as long as you look comical in doing so.

Quite. Because a silly thing like Fitna will obviously make you hate muslims if you previously liked them.

nextthey'llbetakingourspaces.

thy tk m vwls.

doesn't mean we should suddenly make an exception for him.


Thing is, he's been let in to the UK many times before. And there are people in the UK who are infinitely worse than him, he's pretty tame, in fact he's pretty tame even compared to a significant portion of people on NSG. Deny him entry to parliament? Fine. Deny him entry to the whole of the UK? Absurd.

thy tk m vwls.
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Quite. Because a silly thing like Fitna will obviously make you hate muslims if you previously liked them.

You might call Fitna a silly thing, just as someone might have called Mein Kampf a silly thing, yet an outspoken and charismatic European government leader used it to turn a relatively useless anti-semitism in Europe into a raging inferno. Literally.

Damn foreigners coming over here, stealing our capital letters...

dude its only a forum, grammar isn't important

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:eek:

@$#&%!?!

dude its only a forum, grammar isn't important

But it hurts people's eyes less, and makes them think more of your intelligence.

It's not fair at all. I made a thread about this a couple of weeks ago. If Muslims come to this country and then start complaining, I think they should be deported, with immediate effect, to Afghanistan, so they can see what a Muslim country's like.

And this comes from the guy who called me a troll.

And this comes from the guy who called me a troll.

And?

And?

And proceeds to spout quasi-fascist garbage at the same page in which he did so with a straight face.

I live in the United States, and I personally know tons of people that get scared to death when they are around somebody that looks muslim (by wearing a turban, for example) Maybe because you live in Canada there's a lot less racist sentiment, but I think that its a stretch to say that North America is understanding towards muslims.

And proceeds to spout quasi-fascist garbage at the same page in which he did so with a straight face.

I can have political views, can't I? At least I don't advocate genocide.

I live in the United States, and I personally know tons of people that get scared to death when they are around somebody that looks muslim (by wearing a turban, for example) Maybe because you live in Canada there's a lot less racist sentiment, but I think that its a stretch to say that North America is understanding towards muslims.

Yeah, apparently loads of Sikhs got beaten up after 9/11.

I can have political views, can't I? At least I don't advocate genocide.

You can.

What you don't get to do without being called on it is call me a troll and then spout a VERY trollish political view that "at least isn't advocacy of genocide".

I also cannot help but notice that you never made any appeal against the notion of your views being quasi-fascist.

the other boy's dad does not speak english and yet he has a job in this country while so many english speaking british people are unemployed. how is this fair?

So, despite being unable to speak the language, this man has managed to find and secure a job to support himself, while some British citizens who have the advantage of English fluency and familiarity with the country have failed to do so... and that's his fault?

So, despite being unable to speak the language, this man has managed to find and secure a job to support himself, while some British citizens who have the advantage of English fluency and familiarity with the country have failed to do so... and that's his fault?

It can't be that he has the set of skills needed for the job, no sirree...

I also cannot help but notice that you never made any appeal against the notion of your views being quasi-fascist.

Well I'll make an appeal now then. I'm not quasi-fascist.

Heikoku, No Names Left Damn It, cut it out. I have very low tolerance for off-topic squabbling.

Heikoku, No Names Left Damn It, cut it out. I have very low tolerance for off-topic squabbling.

It's on topic. We're discussing Islam, and my views on it.

I live in the United States, and I personally know tons of people that get scared to death when they are around somebody that looks muslim (by wearing a turban, for example) Maybe because you live in Canada there's a lot less racist sentiment, but I think that its a stretch to say that North America is understanding towards muslims.

That drives me nuts. I live in the Bay Area, for the love of whatever higher power you choose to worship. When are people going to figure out the difference between Muslims and Sikhs? It's not hard!

That drives me nuts. I live in the Bay Area, for the love of whatever higher power you choose to worship. When are people going to figure out the difference between Muslims and Sikhs? It's not hard!

Bearing in mind that NEITHER should be beaten up...

It's not fair at all. I made a thread about this a couple of weeks ago. If Muslims come to this country and then start complaining, I think they should be deported, with immediate effect, to Afghanistan, so they can see what a Muslim country's like.

exactly they come to our country and then spend all their time critizing it. when i see muslims on the TV burning the Union Flag it makes me sick. And yet the government spend taxpayers money on keeping hate preachers in here, when they should be deported.

Bearing in mind that NEITHER should be beaten up...

But it makes it even worse when it's Sikhs, because it wasn't even their co-religionists who did anything wrong.

Correct. The people that fail to integrate are just mostly muslims - which is why people tend to associate the religion with the problem. Especially since the media rarely mentions something positive.

I don't know about you specifically, but when I hear many people from Europe saying that the Muslim population fails to integrate, what they really mean is that the population fails to assimilate. They seem to want people with their own background and culture to give all of it up and become just like them. That isn't integration, which takes concessions from both sides.

Should Muslims try to institute Shariah law in a European country? No, of course not. But, at the same time, European countries should not be banning or restricting the customs of immigrants unless those customs are inherently harmful. (Choosing to cover one's hair or even one's face is not inherently harmful). Doing so only makes them less likely to integrate, as it becomes clear to them that the society at large doesn't want them to be a part of it.

exactly they come to our country and then spend all their time critizing it. when i see muslims on the TV burning the Union Flag it makes me sick. And yet the government spend taxpayers money on keeping hate preachers in here, when they should be deported.

And when we do try and deport them,(i.e. Abu Qatada) the EU makes us keep them. He isn't even a British citizen.

But it makes it even worse when it's Sikhs, because it wasn't even their co-religionists who did anything wrong.

No, it's not worse. It's the same. It's guilt by association all the same, whether it is with "Muslim men" or "men who belong to religions that include turbans".

It's on topic. We're discussing Islam, and my views on it.


SO mods should be tolerant of on-topic squabbling, then? Don't be silly.

The topic is: What is the Muslim problem in the UK/Europe?, not Is NNLDI a quasi-fascist or Does Heikoku advocate genocide?

ie, it's not about you. Either of you. The "discussion of your views" is leading you both into this sort of exchange:


And proceeds to spout quasi-fascist garbage at the same page in which he did so with a straight face.

I can have political views, can't I? At least I don't advocate genocide.

See how you're leading him into yet another threadjack on each other's personal philosophies? As he led you. You were both doing it and you both need to STOP NOW.

EDIT: Your most recent exchange, for example, in the two posts preceding this, is fine. It's the personal stuff that isn't.

And when we do try and deport them,(i.e. Abu Qatada) the EU makes us keep them. He isn't even a British citizen.

Why don't you answer my previous question?

I made a thread about this very recently actually. If [the "Muslim" problem] becomes serious then deport the extremists, radicals etc.

Are you saying that extremist/radical naturalized citizens should be deported because of their faith and most likely ethnic background?


whilst learning the culture of the country u r a guest in.

As much as I admire co-existence and your efforts in propagating the correct Islam, the apologetic feeling of being a "guest" in the UK (if you choose to live there for the rest of your life) seems misguided.

as many people have said, its the fact that many immigrants do not want to intergrate into the society of where they have moved that is the reason that there are so many anti-wherever the hell you came from attitudes.

Because no one is irrationally racist. It only happens when those damn [insert group here]'s do something wrong, right?

Integration is a two-way street. If integration is the problem, that implies that both the native population and the immigrants need to make more of an effort.

There is a problem, and it goes both ways. On one hand, you've got the latent racist and anti-Islamic sentiments that lead to discrimination, and on the other hand you've got the handful of bad apples that bring with them the ignorance, religious intolerance, and violence encouraged by Islamic governments. This would not be a real threat were it not for the fact that these communities are often isolated culturally due to xenophobic and ethnocentric sentiments. That sense of isolation caused by culture shock and the difficulty at establishing a new life that comes from it encourages a flight to safety, so to speak, back to the ways of their former country. In turn, the extremists prey on that to build up support even if their victims would never have espoused such views in their old country.

In order to stop extremism from destroying and oppressing an entire community, European countries need to attack the problem from all sides. Fighting anti-Muslim discrimination, creating more jobs and educational opportunities and dealing severely with any extremists will hopefully provide sufficient impetus to build up immigrant confidence in their new countries and thereby erode the power of extremists.

People resort to extremism out of fear and desperation.

lol at the irony. but i see your point. there are two muslim boys at my school- they both speak english (but not very well). one of them has only 1 parent, who doesn't work. so they live in a councel house, are living on benifits and go to britsh schools- all of these are paid for by British tax payers- and yet they don't consider themselves as british and don't intergrate themselves into society and the boy at my school says openly that he hates this country and the people in it. why should we give them all this money for no thanks.

Children say the darnedest things!

the other boy's dad does not speak english and yet he has a job in this country while so many english speaking british people are unemployed. how is this fair?

If he can do his job without speaking english, how is it any less fair than the fact that English-speaking guy #1 has a job but English-speaking guy #2 doesn't?

I don't know about you specifically, but when I hear many people from Europe saying that the Muslim population fails to integrate, what they really mean is that the population fails to assimilate. They seem to want people with their own background and culture to give all of it up and become just like them. That isn't integration, which takes concessions from both sides.

Yeah, why can't the just assimilate damn it?

http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h52/aeolean/borg.jpg

every time i read or hear the world assimilate i immediatley think of the Borg

every time i read or hear the world assimilate i immediatley think of the Borg

>.>

<.<

*Assimilates The Final Five*

Resistance is useless.

The purpose of this thread was to clarify what, if any, is the problem of primarily Muslim integration in Europe. I've never been to Europe, so I wanted views from different members of NSG. Everybody has been helpful in doing so, and convinced me that in a nutshell, the Muslim problem is similar to the Jewish problem of mid-20th century Germany.

I appreciate everybody's contribution to this thread, and I think it should be closed before it breeds another war on Islam, assimilation vs multiculturalism thread.

pfft...Europeans, bunch of racist commies.

:p

Deporting them is not the answer. we need to not let these people into our country in the first place. do what Australia do and only let qualified people in. we should not these parasites that we call immigrants. espesialy those that are a threat to the state.
Ahem...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cronulla_riots

Sorry, you're not going to be dodging any issues by pretending that stricter immigration policies are a hindrance in any way to racists or xenophobes.

Yeah, why can't the just assimilate damn it?


I guess it depends. Assimilation should be forced upon people in regards to behaviors that are destructive, violent, or encouraging of oppression; for example, we shouldn't force people to abandon religious beliefs or cultural customs unless they involve murdering rape victims, beating homosexuals and forcing their beliefs on others.

I guess it depends. Assimilation should be forced upon people in regards to behaviors that are destructive, violent, or encouraging of oppression; for example, we shouldn't force people to abandon religious beliefs or cultural customs unless they involve murdering rape victims, beating homosexuals and forcing their beliefs on others.

That's not really a matter of assimilation. It's more a matter of rule of law. I think it's fairly obvious that immigrants must be expected to follow the laws of their new country and, should they not like said laws, to go through the established channels in trying to get them changed.

I guess it depends. Assimilation should be forced upon people in regards to behaviors that are destructive, violent, or encouraging of oppression; for example, we shouldn't force people to abandon religious beliefs or cultural customs unless they involve murdering rape victims, beating homosexuals and forcing their beliefs on others.

Agreed. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_prayer#United_States)

That's not really a matter of assimilation. It's more a matter of rule of law. I think it's fairly obvious that immigrants must be expected to follow the laws of their new country and, should they not like said laws, to go through the established channels in trying to get them changed.

It is, but you also have to take in to account that the possibility that they would use their (artificially inflated) influence to push radical views in to the mainstream. I believe 100% that oppression and violence towards innocent people is wrong and should never be recognized regardless of whether or not people support it.

The "Muslim Problem" in the UK and Europe is similar to the "Jewish Problem" Germany once had.

I find this statement to be sufficiently similar to my own thoughts that I shall quote it to emphasize its veracity.




tl; dr: QFT

Bearing in mind that NEITHER should be beaten up...

:rolleyes: I didn't think I had to preface a comment about one particular thing with a disclaimer about another. Really, Heikoku.

:rolleyes: I didn't think I had to preface a comment about one particular thing with a disclaimer about another. Really, Heikoku.

Sorry, didn't mean to imply you thought so. But that sorta had to be said.

And when we do try and deport them,(i.e. Abu Qatada) the EU makes us keep them. He isn't even a British citizen.

I know, he also gets £8,000 a year from the tax payer's pocket and his children get £45,000 a year in child benifits. He also lives in a £800,000 house in london- and yet the man is a hate preacher, "Osama Bin Laden’s ambassador in Europe" shouldn't get a penny. this is part of why we should leave the EU and stop being forced to abied by their human rights act. he's wanted in 8 countries, so why don't we just extrodite him and be done with it.

this is part of why we should leave the EU and stop being forced to abied by their human rights act. he's wanted in 8 countries, so why don't we just extrodite him and be done with it.
Because simplistic, tabloid-suggested solutions are rarely problem-solvers.

Ahem...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cronulla_riots

Sorry, you're not going to be dodging any issues by pretending that stricter immigration policies are a hindrance in any way to racists or xenophobes.

not racist- realist
not xenophobic- nationalist
just because someone is patriotic does not been they're racist. it is a persons right to protest and it should not be frowned upon to protest against immigration.

I know, he also gets £8,000 a year from the tax payer's pocket and his children get £45,000 a year in child benifits. He also lives in a £800,000 house in london- and yet the man is a hate preacher, "Osama Bin Laden’s ambassador in Europe" shouldn't get a penny. this is part of why we should leave the EU and stop being forced to abied by their human rights act. he's wanted in 8 countries, so why don't we just extrodite him and be done with it.

we cant extradite people to be tortured and killed, its wrong and unjust, if the government can prove the charges against him then he should be convicted in a court of law and sentenced to an appropriate jail term, we should be promoting justice not torture

we cant extradite people to be tortured and killed, its wrong and unjust, if the government can prove the charges against him then he should be convicted in a court of law and sentenced to an appropriate jail term, we should be promoting justice not torture

I agree totally. The government put itself in this difficult position by collaborating with the US over the use of torture.

I agree totally. The government put itself in this difficult position by collaborating with the US over the use of torture.

just one of many abhorent things the government has done, detention without trial, survielance society and the DNA database, and people still think Labour are liberal!

this is part of why we should leave the EU and stop being forced to abied by their human rights act. he's wanted in 8 countries, so why don't we just extrodite him and be done with it.
It's not "their human rights act", it's British law.

I know, he also gets £8,000 a year from the tax payer's pocket and his children get £45,000 a year in child benifits. He also lives in a £800,000 house in london- and yet the man is a hate preacher, "Osama Bin Laden’s ambassador in Europe" shouldn't get a penny. this is part of why we should leave the EU and stop being forced to abied by their human rights act. he's wanted in 8 countries, so why don't we just extrodite him and be done with it.
I'm not sure where to start with this, so I'll simply say: It's against British Law. Don't like it? Go live in a non democratic country, that isn't run on the rule of law.

not racist- realist
not xenophobic- nationalist
just because someone is patriotic does not been they're racist. it is a persons right to protest and it should not be frowned upon to protest against immigration.
You didn't really read the link did you.

we cant extradite people to be tortured and killed, its wrong and unjust, if the government can prove the charges against him then he should be convicted in a court of law and sentenced to an appropriate jail term, we should be promoting justice not torture

Justice? The British Judistial system is fucked if this is how it works. Ageed no one deserves torture- but he wouldn't be if he went to 5 of the 8 countries he's wanted in (he's wanted in Algeria, The United States, Jordan, Belgium, Spain, Italy, Germany and France- and he'd only be totured in the first 3.) So why do we not send him to one of the other 5 and let them waste money on him?

It's not "their human rights act", it's British law.

Well actually, the British House of Lords decided to deport him, and the ECHR is going to overturn it.

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Because Jews and Muslims don't like milk now?

Well actually, the British House of Lords decided to deport him, and the ECHR is going to overturn it.
Thus, as a signatory to the European Convention on Human Rights and Fundamental Freedoms, it's UK law.

Because Jews and Muslims don't like milk now?

Expecting an intelligent racist?

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Why waste good milk? Neither can eat bacon.

I'm not sure where to start with this, so I'll simply say: It's against British Law. Don't like it? Go live in a non democratic country, that isn't run on the rule of law.


You didn't really read the link did you.

nope i got my posts mixed up between 2 threads

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And you know they're a Jew because...? They might well be racially Jewish, but I doubt a religious Jew would give a pig a blow job.

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Lol. I was taking you seriously before this.

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Yeah I worked that out. You're Catroach/October3 etc aren't you?

Nope.

Oh. That's a bit of a coincidence then. He does the same sort of thing as you, and everyone takes him seriously.

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Oh I dunno, Frisbeeteria is known for his hilarity, spam threads, and just general hilarity.

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For all your comments about sense of humour, you missed the sarcasm in that post completely.

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Oh right. Well he banned me once for putting a picture of the mad hatter giving the 2 finger sign up as my avatar, so God knows what he'll do for you calling him a ****.

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Even assuming you can, that you are somehow proud of it says volumes about your preferences.

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Suit yourself.

Well actually, the British House of Lords decided to deport him, and the ECHR is going to overturn it.

Well actually...

That doesn't change a damn thing.

Well actually...

That doesn't change a damn thing.

It means they are overriding the decision of a sovereign country.

It means they are overriding the decision of a sovereign country.
No, because the 'sovereign' country is , as I said previously (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=14561534&postcount=143), is a signatory to the European Convention on Human Rights and Fundamental Freedoms, and thus the Convention is part of the UK constitution, and is UK law. Therefore, the government, by breaching the ECoHR, has breached UK law.

The human rights court is 'overriding' the UK government as much as the UK courts are when they find the government in the wrong.

It means they are overriding the decision of a sovereign country.

The European Convention on Human Rights is part of UK law. An Act to give further effect to rights and freedoms guaranteed under the European Convention on Human Rights
http://www.opsi.gov.uk/ACTS/acts1998/ukpga_19980042_en_1

Just because the Law Lords make a decision, doesn't make it compatible with UK law. The ECtHR will see whether it is or not. Another check on "sovereign" power I'm happy exists.

Edit: Damn Chumbly and your faster fingers. *shakes tiny fist in rage*

Edit: Damn Chumbly and your faster fingers. *shakes tiny fist in rage*
To your credit, sir, you mentioned the Human Rights Act (1998), which is an important point.

It means they are overriding the decision of a sovereign country.

See what Chumblywumbly and Psychotic Mongooses said before I got the chance.

The ECHR doesn't have the power to stop a deportation, by the way. (Unless they request a temporary stay.) The UK is expected to abide by their conclusions, however.

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Can we take the opportunity to coin a new word here. Modited. Make it NSG's word and try and get a dictionary to take it up. Then profit.

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Agreed.

No, because the 'sovereign' country is , as I said previously (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=14561534&postcount=143), is a signatory to the European Convention on Human Rights and Fundamental Freedoms, and thus the Convention is part of the UK constitution, and is UK law. Therefore, the government, by breaching the ECoHR, has breached UK law.

The human rights court is 'overriding' the UK government as much as the UK courts are when they find the government in the wrong.

In the space of less than a century, the UK has gone from "superpower" to "truly pathetic". The EU tells them that they have to keep a dangerous terrorist who hates the West in their country, and the British curl up into a corner and squeak "Ok...".

I still don't see what Hitler saw in you Brits. You're just as soft as the French.

In the space of less than a century, the UK has gone from "superpower" to "truly pathetic". The EU tells them that they have to keep a dangerous terrorist who hates the West in their country, and the British curl up into a corner and squeak "Ok...".
.

This is the European Court of Human Rights. Not actually connected to the EU.

We signed up to a convention so are being held to it.

Aaaaand now Filip Dewinter, a far right wing (European standards) politician from Belgium has also declared that the Koran is "a license to kill", and "not merely a religion, but a dangerous medieval ideology that is hostile towards the basic principles of western civilisation".

Nice of him, no ?

Aaaaand now Filip Dewinter, a far right wing (European standards) politician from Belgium has also declared that the Koran is "a license to kill", and "not merely a religion, but a dangerous medieval ideology that is hostile towards the basic principles of western civilisation".

Nice of him, no ?

Ugh. Vomitable spew.

Aaaaand now Filip Dewinter, a far right wing (European standards) politician from Belgium has also declared that the Koran is "a license to kill", and "not merely a religion, but a dangerous medieval ideology that is hostile towards the basic principles of western civilisation".

Nice of him, no ?

So... He's trying to proudly announce that Belgium also has an industry of morons?

This is the European Court of Human Rights. Not actually connected to the EU.

We signed up to a convention so are being held to it.

It's all the same shit. EU, ECHR, UN, whatever.

Ugh. Vomitable spew.

Fortunately there has sofar been a "cordon sanitaire" surrounding his party - no other party wishes to form a coalition with his, meaning that his will be unable to ever be a ruling party unless it actually gets more votes than all other parties together.

Sadly, in the Netherlands polls now show that Wilders' party would become the largest (though not a majority by itself) party if elections were to be held this week. Fortunately, they are not scheduled to be held for quite a while.

It's all the same shit. EU, ECHR, UN, whatever.

Yeah! Screw the fact that you have no idea what each of these organs do or represent, you'll spew bull about them nonetheless, because you're Ferrous Oxide and that's what you do!

Good for you for being honest with yourself about your identity!

*High-fives*

Yeah! Screw the fact that you have no idea what each of these organs do or represent, you'll spew bull about them nonetheless, because you're Ferrous Oxide and that's what you do!

Good for you for being honest with yourself about your identity!

*High-fives*

I really don't care what they do. They're all pathetic. Hopefully they'll join the League of Nations in the history books soon enough.

I really don't care what they do. They're all pathetic. Hopefully they'll join the League of Nations in the history books soon enough.

That's the beauty of Ferrous Oxide, you don't care what they do and yet you spew bull about it anyways!

YEAH!

*High-fives*

I'm going to ignore you now, because you don't have anything constructive to say.

I'm going to ignore you now, because you don't have anything constructive to say.

Hey, everyone! The guy who admittedly doesn't know what the UN and other international bodies do and yet finds it in his heart to tear them off will ignore me because I don't have anything constructive to say! :D

Hey, everyone! The guy who admittedly doesn't know what the UN and other international bodies do and yet finds it in his heart to tear them off will ignore me because I don't have anything constructive to say! :D

I know what the UN does. They "strongly condemn the genocide in Sudan" and then do nothing.

If doing nothing was a paying job, the UN administration would be rich out of their ass. Which they probably are already anyway.

The European Union is a joke hellbent on using its cultural genocide cannon.

I know what the UN does. They "strongly condemn the genocide in Sudan" and then do nothing.

Splendid, you know how to recite catch-phrases too.

The European Union is a joke hellbent on using its cultural genocide cannon.

Source?

Homogonisation is cultural genocide, technically, and that's what it's doing. They all want "happy happy peace" which comes along with the world's diversity coming to an end. Open borders says it all.

Homogonisation is cultural genocide, technically, and that's what it's doing. They all want "happy happy peace" which comes along with the world's diversity coming to an end. Open borders says it all.

"Homogonization" (sic) isn't what you think it is. Neither is cultural genocide. And neither is peace. And neither is diversity. And neither are open borders.

So, the words that ARE what you think they are are: "is", "technically", "and", "that", "they", "all", "comes" and "to".

I refuse to add a "z" into that word, because I will use Dixieland spelling. Now, what I meant by open borders was not open immigration, but the ability to cross a damn border without going through a gate. Also, if Europe isn't fighting, world progress will start slowing down. Things are happening just as they are in my homeland now, cultural genocide. Ever go to the Southern US and see how much the Damnyankees have bleached it out over the last twenty years? From what I hear, that's happening there.

I refuse to add a "z" into that word, because I will use Dixieland spelling. Now, what I meant by open borders was not open immigration, but the ability to cross a damn border without going through a gate. Also, if Europe isn't fighting, world progress will start slowing down. Things are happening just as they are in my homeland now, cultural genocide. Ever go to the Southern US and see how much the Damnyankees have bleached it out over the last twenty years? From what I hear, that's happening there.

1- Yeah. The Z is the problem. That wasn't Dixieland spelling, that was DISNEYLAND spelling.

2- To the rest: Lolwut?

Uh, no. Before the civil war, "z's" weren't widely used in words like that. Also, I see all the world speaking a single language in some time, which would piss me off. Liberal inernational unions are just pulling us closer together, killing of our languages, culture, and ways of life. We all don't want to be speaking a single language in twenty years, now do we?

Basically, the way I see it, two things could happen.

First, the Europeans are going to get fed up with the shit coming out of Muslim communities, there will be a massive backlash, and govt.s will be forced to change their policies in order to crack down on fundamental Muslim bullcrap. Now, that's never going to happen because Europeans are pansies.

The other possibility is that the Europe will just continue to sink into the quagmire that it's made for itself. You're screwed, way to go. Now, that will almost definitely happen.

Uh, no. Before the civil war, "z's" weren't widely used in words like that. Also, I see all the world speaking Damnyankee English in twenty years, which is why all these unions are pissing me off.

1- You made other mistakes in that word besides the S and Z.

2- Good for me, because I'm a translator, and uniform English helps me. Your desires for the language don't matter. Mine do.

3- There is no such language as "Damnyankee".

You're screw, way to go.

The Europeans told me to tell you you're a chair.

Hawdiehawdie. Damnyankee is a variant of English. Now, what pisses me off is when all the languages i've learned over the years are killed off.

In the space of less than a century, the UK has gone from "superpower" to "truly pathetic". The EU tells them that they have to keep a dangerous terrorist who hates the West in their country, and the British curl up into a corner and squeak "Ok...".

I still don't see what Hitler saw in you Brits. You're just as soft as the French.

We may have turned from a "superpower" to "truly pathetic" but at least we are not hated in every single other country in the world. But I do agree that it is truly stupid to listern to Brussles.

Hawdiehawdie. Damnyankee is a variant of English. Now, what pisses me off is when all the languages i've learned over the years are killed off.

You see, that makes MY work easier. And I matter.

We may have turned from a "superpower" to "truly pathetic" but at least we are not hated in every single other country in the world. But I do agree that it is truly stupid to listern to Brussles.

I'd rather be hated and have a pair of testicles, than hang around in pubs pretending that you're Winston Churchill while flopping over every time your culture and society is challenged by anything or anyone.

We've got a mad Japanese Lusophphone on the loose.

We've got a mad Japanese Lusophphone on the loose.

Which makes his conversation with you much funnier, considering that Portuguese is a glorified Spanish dialect.

Which makes his conversation with you much funnier, considering that Portuguese is a glorified Spanish dialect.

Wow. You really don't know jack about Linguistics, do you?

We've got a mad Japanese Lusophphone on the loose.

A lusophphone?

:rolleyes:

If you're itching to lose an argument with me, at least do so with a modicum of class.

I'd rather be hated and have a pair of testicles, than hang around in pubs pretending that you're Winston Churchill while flopping over every time your culture and society is challenged by anything or anyone.

Well, you managed ONE of them, FO.

Wow. You really don't know jack about Linguistics, do you?

I'll have you know that Portuguese is closer to Spanish than most of the German "dialects" are to German. If Alemannic is a dialect of German, then Portuguese sure as hell is a dialect of Spanish.

Anyway, this is getting off topic.

No, i'm not saying that that's bad, i'm just thinking it's funny that you're a Japanese Lusophone. It's not any more normal for a Southern US person to be speaking Tianjin dialect Mandarin with any frequency. Also, Linguistics is one of my main hobbies, so don't pull the "Loludontno shit bou leengwisstiks".

I'll have you know that Portuguese is closer to Spanish than most of the German "dialects" are to German. If Alemannic is a dialect of German, then Portuguese sure as hell is a dialect of Spanish.

Oh, really? And how did you measure that?

Please, enlighten me. It's not as if I've graduated in Linguistics and know more about Portuguese, Spanish AND Linguistics itself than you'll ever dream of knowing. Wait, actually, it IS!

I studied the structure of Portuguese, and I studied the one of Spanish. I know their differences, and I can name them, in syntax, regency, punctuation, grammar, and just about ANY facet of both languages you can think of, and many more you can't, simply because I KNOW about what I do and you DON'T. I can name the details in both languages about phonetics and structure, using concepts you would need five years in a good university to have a slight grasp of. I studied Chomsky, Saussure, and many, many others while you were making up stuff you think you know. I know even ENGLISH better than you, and I even know enough to tell that Brazilian Portuguese and Portugal Portuguese will one day become two separate languages by themselves. I spent four years in an university studying concepts with which you lack even a passing familiarity. And now I work with language, in depth and well, and I'm damn good at it. I, sir, am a translator and a linguist, and I know more about, and can manipulate more concepts of, Portuguese, Spanish, Linguistics AND English than of which you are even aware!

And here you are thinking you can name what is a language and what is a dialect. YOU? Please.

I find this situation a bit interesting. As an American, I'm familiar with immigrants generally bringing with them more liberal political ideas than those held by the country they are entering. This is one of the (many) reasons why I have always been a strong advocate for immigration of people into the United States. The immigration of Muslim men and women into Europe, however, would seem to present the reverse situation: Europe is already quite liberal, and most followers of Islam hold more conservative political beliefs than those held by the country they are entering. I suppose this is a true test for liberalism: as Muslim men and women enter the country, they will influence politics of course, and in all likelihood make the countries of Europe (at least slightly) more conservative when viewed as a whole. Is liberalism prepared to continue to welcome immigrants with open arms when it is almost certain that they will weaken the influence of liberal politicians and policies? Quite interesting.

No, i'm not saying that that's bad, i'm just thinking it's funny that you're a Japanese Lusophone. It's not any more normal for a Southern US person to be speaking Tianjin dialect Mandarin with any frequency. Also, Linguistics is one of my main hobbies, so don't pull the "Loludontno shit bou leengwisstiks".

Clearly you have enough knowledge about me to mistake me being an otaku and having a Japanese-themed nickname for me being (or being related to) Japanese.

Now, are we going to argue about Galician next? Also, I don't care about Japan, unless the PRC conquers them, which would be good.

I'd rather be hated and have a pair of testicles, than hang around in pubs pretending that you're Winston Churchill while flopping over every time your culture and society is challenged by anything or anyone.

Realy this comentshows your ignorence ( not that we needed you to tell, us we could tell by your name- why would you call yourself rust?) Besides the rest of the world is only jelous of are rich culture.

Now, are we going to argue about Galician next? Also, I don't care about Japan, unless the PRC conquers them, which would be good.

So, clearly you don't know jack about politics either.

No, I do, i'm just pissing around now.

No, I do, i'm just pissing around now.

As before.

Oh, really? And how did you measure that?

Please, enlighten me. It's not as if I've graduated in Linguistics and know more about Portuguese, Spanish AND Linguistics itself than you'll ever dream of knowing. Wait, actually, it IS!

I studied the structure of Portuguese, and I studied the one of Spanish. I know their differences, and I can name them, in syntax, regency, punctuation, grammar, and just about ANY facet of both languages you can think of, and many more you can't, simply because I KNOW about what I do and you DON'T. I can name the details in both languages about phonetics and structure, using concepts you would need five years in a good university to have a slight grasp of. I studied Chomsky, Saussure, and many, many others while you were making up stuff you think you know. I know even ENGLISH better than you, and I even know enough to tell that Brazilian Portuguese and Portugal Portuguese will one day become two separate languages by themselves. I spent four years in an university studying concepts with which you lack even a passing familiarity. And now I work with language, in depth and well, and I'm damn good at it. I, sir, am a translator and a linguist, and I know more about, and can manipulate more concepts of, Portuguese, Spanish, Linguistics AND English than of which you are even aware!

And here you are thinking you can name what is a language and what is a dialect. YOU? Please.

So basically, you spent four years studying an flawed subject? Because anything that tells me that Alemannic and German are the same language is WRONG.

Realy this comentshows your ignorence ( not that we needed you to tell, us we could tell by your name- why would you call yourself rust?)

Hilarity is you calling me ignorant, and then proceeding to call ferrous oxide "rust".

So basically, you spent four years studying an flawed subject? Because anything that tells me that Alemannic and German are the same language is WRONG.

Basically, I've spent four years studying a subject you don't know a thing about. I didn't say anything about Alemannic and German. I don't CARE about Alemannic and German, and I don't know anything about Alemannic (which means I probably still know more than you do). What I DO know is Portuguese and Spanish are considered different languages for several reasons, all of which are far beyond your grasp and well within mine.

Correct, i'm pissing around.

Hilarity is you calling me ignorant, and then proceeding to call ferrous oxide "rust".

Chemistry isn't your field either?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferrous_oxide
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rust

Basically, I've spent four years studying a subject you don't know a thing about. I didn't say anything about Alemannic and German. I don't CARE about Alemannic and German, and I don't know anything about Alemannic (which means I probably still know more than you do). What I DO know is Portuguese and Spanish are considered different languages for several reasons, all of which are far beyond your grasp and well within mine.

Yeah, I'm sure I don't care. Spanish and Portuguese have some mutual intelligibility and are considered separate languages, while Alemannic (and Bavarian for that matter) and German aren't even close and yet are considered to be the same language? Get the fuck outta here.

Chemistry isn't your field either?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferrous_oxide
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rust

Rust is hydrated iron(III) oxide, or ferric oxide, not iron(II) oxide (ferrous oxide).

Spanish and Portuguese are distinct languages, I agree with that. It's like someone saying Catalan and Spanish are the same.

Yeah, I'm sure I don't care. Spanish and Portuguese have some mutual intelligibility and are considered separate languages, while Alemannic (and Bavarian for that matter) and German aren't even close and yet are considered to be the same language? Get the fuck outta here.

That's because "some mutual intelligibility" does not a dialect make. Something you might know if you knew the first thing about a field of study I have full grasp of. I know how far or close languages are from each other. You don't.

So, clearly you don't know jack about politics either.

That's called an opinion, MAH BOHYYYYY. China invading Japan can be good or bad depending on your viewpoint.

This thread has gone beyond off topic, really. It's supposed to be about, you know, those people that worship Mecca three times a day and sometimes wear those funny looking hats - Oh! that's right, Muslims. And they drink tea too, cause they're in the UK. Ayup.

BTW, pompous elitism = fail.

That's because "some mutual intelligibility" does not a dialect make. Something you might know if you knew the first thing about a field of study I have full grasp of. I know how far or close languages are from each other. You don't.

So either your field is wrong about Spanish and Portuguese, or it's wrong about Alemannic and German. Which is it?

Don't bother answering that, because it's off topic, and virtually rhetorical.

That's called an opinion, MAH BOHYYYYY. China invading Japan can be good or bad depending on your viewpoint.

This thread has gone beyond off topic, really. It's supposed to be about, you know, those people that worship Mecca three times a day and sometimes wear those funny looking hats - Oh! that's right, Muslims. And they drink tea too, cause they're in the UK. Ayup.

Five times a day, mah Griff.

This thread has gone beyond off topic, really. It's supposed to be about, you know, those people that worship Mecca three times a day and sometimes wear those funny looking hats - Oh! that's right, Muslims. And they drink tea too, cause they're in the UK. Ayup.

Thank you.

Also, don't pull out the "You don't know Islam" crap, i'm a Far-Right, fundamentalist Muslim.

Also, don't pull out the "You don't know Islam" crap, i'm a Far-Right, fundamentalist Muslim.

Well, I've read your posts, and that's just not true.

So either your field is wrong about Spanish and Portuguese, or it's wrong about Alemannic and German. Which is it?

Don't bother answering that, because it's off topic, and virtually rhetorical.

You are wrong about both.

You are wrong about both.

This will be the last post on the matter.

Alemannic is not a German dialect. Thus, somebody in the field of linguistics screwed up. Forgive me for not giving linguists the benefit of the doubt.

Back to the thread topic.

You're saying i'm not a muslim?

Rust is hydrated iron(III) oxide, or ferric oxide, not iron(II) oxide (ferrous oxide).

It's still called rust.

Rust is the name for a whole series of iron oxides.

Hilarity is you calling me ignorant, and then proceeding to call ferrous oxide "rust".

no FO is still considered Rust. Again ignorence
I still don't see what Hitler saw in you Brits. You're just as soft as the French.

But this quote also shows your stupidity- Hitler admired Britain- he wanted to ally himself with us at first. and there is no way we are as soft as the frogs.

In the space of less than a century, the UK has gone from "superpower" to "truly pathetic".
And the decline of the British Empire has what to do with the EU?

The EU tells them that they have to keep a dangerous terrorist who hates the West in their country, and the British curl up into a corner and squeak "Ok...".
No, the European Court of Human Rights, which is unaffiliated with the EU, has advised the government of the UK to abide by its own laws. In the post of mine you quoted yet obviously didn't read/understand, I explained how the UK is a signatory to the European Convention on Human Rights and Fundamental Freedoms, and thus the Convention is part of the UK constitution, and is UK law.

Once again, the ECoHR is part of the UK legal system, part of the UK constitution in fact, and the Human Rights Act (1998), which you may view for yourself here (http://www.opsi.gov.uk/ACTS/acts1998/ukpga_19980042_en_1), is also on the British statute books. In the case in question, the UK government was breaching UK law, going against the UK's constitution. The ECHR handily reminded us of that.

Is there any other parts of the British legal system with which you have a complete lack of understanding?

I, and others, would happily clear up your laughable, misguided notions.

First, the Europeans are going to get fed up with the shit coming out of Muslim communities...
Pray tell, what "shit" is "coming out" of Muslim communities?

First, the Europeans are going to get fed up with the shit coming out of Muslim communities...

[QUOTE] Pray tell, what "shit" is "coming out" of Muslim communities?[QUOTE]

Shitty remarks like FO's. the reason people say such things is because muslims seperate and segregate themselves from society.

Shitty remarks like FO's. the reason people say such things is because muslims seperate and segregate themselves from society.
Happily not where I live; there's a vibrant, integrated Muslim community in Glasgow, and we're all the better for it.

Happily not where I live; there's a vibrant, integrated Muslim community in Glasgow, and we're all the better for it.

Glasgow and Birmingham are perhaps two places where such things happen but not were I live, all the ethnic minorities band together and live seperate lives to caucasions

I don't know about the rest of Europe or the UK, but I know what's the deal with Muslims in Spain. There's still so much resentment after the Moorish occupation more than 600 years ago. Spain was under the Moorish heel for 800+ years, and although we are culturally indebted to the caliphates for promoting culture and the study of medicine and for never imposing Islam as the religion of Spain, some people, to this date, cannot pass the page on this chapter of our Iberian history.

It is so sad that it is such in this day and age, but that's the problem with us over there. The word "moro" (Moor) is still used to insult. It's quite shameful, it's been such a long time...

I know what the UN does. They "strongly condemn the genocide in Sudan" and then do nothing.

If doing nothing was a paying job, the UN administration would be rich out of their ass. Which they probably are already anyway.

First, the two words "national sovereignty". Second, the acronym "ICC".

That should mean something to you if you're going to bring up Darfur.

Justice? The British Judistial system is fucked if this is how it works. Ageed no one deserves torture- but he wouldn't be if he went to 5 of the 8 countries he's wanted in (he's wanted in Algeria, The United States, Jordan, Belgium, Spain, Italy, Germany and France- and he'd only be totured in the first 3.) So why do we not send him to one of the other 5 and let them waste money on him?

I'd guess that the British educational system is pretty much fucked up, too.:rolleyes: Maybe it's high time they upgrade to meet EU standards in education - I don't know, might Germany be a sort of example?

I'd guess that the British educational system is pretty much fucked up, too.:rolleyes: Maybe it's high time they upgrade to meet EU standards in education - I don't know, might Germany be a sort of example?

Iirc RoI mentioned being dyslexic. A tad harsh to continually pick him (and the British education system) up on spelling at best you can criticise a lack of spellcheck usage.

Glasgow and Birmingham are perhaps two places where such things happen but not were I live, all the ethnic minorities band together and live seperate lives to caucasions

And I'm sure that there's no contribution whatsoever to this on the part of the Caucasians?

First, the two words "national sovereignty". Second, the acronym "ICC".

That should mean something to you if you're going to bring up Darfur.

I didn't know they played cricket in the Sudan.

Glasgow and Birmingham are perhaps two places where such things happen but not were I live, all the ethnic minorities band together and live seperate lives to caucasions

Maybe your spelling makes their eyes bleed. It's very difficult to learn a new language when the native speakers around you butcher it so.

Nanatsu has a good point. The Muslim situation in Spain is interesting, and I would like to study it sometime in the future.

Now, are we going to argue about Galician next? Also, I don't care about Japan, unless the PRC conquers them, which would be good.

PRC conquering Japan? Lets see what the US has to say about that.

PRC would gain absolutely nothing, and sacrifice so much for your little fapping fantasy, nevermind crippling their economy, causing massive domestic and international outrage, and very likely an armed conflict with the US.

Why will the PRC ever consider conquering Japan? If you think it's because of anti-Japanese sentiment, you clearly have never been to China. I've met more racism against Japan even in multicultural Canada, than my last trip to Beijing/Shanghai/Suzhou. Student historical and cultural exchanges are very highly sought by both nations, especially for Japanese students studying the Japanese WW2 involvement in China.

>.>

<.<

*Assimilates The Final Five*

Resistance is useless.

Resistance is futile.

Daleks never assimilated anyone. They're more with the exterminating bit.

Iirc RoI mentioned being dyslexic. A tad harsh to continually pick him (and the British education system) up on spelling at best you can criticise a lack of spellcheck usage.
Didn't know. Sorry, then.

It's still called rust.

Rust is the name for a whole series of iron oxides.

no FO is still considered Rust. Again ignorence

Nope. Ferrous oxide is actually know as wuestite in it's mineral form, and can be explosive. Completely different thing.

Pray tell, what "shit" is "coming out" of Muslim communities?

http://www.jewishworldreview.com/images/islam_europe.jpg
http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2007/04_03/2riotAFP_468x310.jpg
http://www.betar.co.uk/articles/pictures/Bombed-Bus-London.jpg

But of course, the politically correct view of these events is to ignore that they even happened.

No, the European Court of Human Rights, which is unaffiliated with the EU, has advised the government of the UK to abide by its own laws. In the post of mine you quoted yet obviously didn't read/understand, I explained how the UK is a signatory to the European Convention on Human Rights and Fundamental Freedoms, and thus the Convention is part of the UK constitution, and is UK law.

Once again, the ECoHR is part of the UK legal system, part of the UK constitution in fact, and the Human Rights Act (1998), which you may view for yourself here (http://www.opsi.gov.uk/ACTS/acts1998/ukpga_19980042_en_1), is also on the British statute books. In the case in question, the UK government was breaching UK law, going against the UK's constitution. The ECHR handily reminded us of that.

Is there any other parts of the British legal system with which you have a complete lack of understanding?

I, and others, would happily clear up your laughable, misguided notions.

See, I understand it, I just really couldn't give two fucks. The British should ignore this left-wing bullshit, and kick the prick out.

I like the way you support a law when it's in your favour, but when you've got something like the US's "right to bear arms", OH THEN YOU'VE GOT TOO FAR!

See, I understand it, I just really couldn't give two fucks.

Wondeful attitude. Personally I think the west has far more to fear from that kind of thing than anything from Islam.

I like the way you support a law when it's in your favour, but when you've got something like the US's "right to bear arms", OH THEN YOU'VE GOT TOO FAR!

No you see, when we don't like a law we advocate changing it rather than just ignoring it.Britain's long history of just quietly ignoring obsolete laws notwithstanding

But of course, the politically correct view of these events [London bombings; occasional protests by Muslim fundies] is to ignore that they even happened.
Ignore 'it' ever happened?

I don't suppose you've been following the news for the past few years then, what with the UK government bringing in a raft of legislation and measures to tackle what they see as the number one threat to Western society.

See, I understand it, I just really couldn't give two fucks.
So, it's not that you're ignorant, you're simply aware of the realities of UK law, but would prefer to wilfully misrepresent the facts for the benefit of your argument?

The British should ignore this left-wing bullshit, and kick the prick out.
What "left-wing bullshit"? The Human Rights Act (1998) was enacted by a decidedly centre-right government.

Moreover, have you an argument against the HRA, or does it simply boil down to "it's bullshit"?

I like the way you support a law when it's in your favour, but when you've got something like the US's "right to bear arms", OH THEN YOU'VE GOT TOO FAR!
Firstly, by "you", do you mean myself in particular, or 'the left'?

Secondly, I'm not against gun ownership/the right to bear arms.

I'd suggest you stop trying to fight phantoms.

Nope. Ferrous oxide is actually know as wuestite in it's mineral form, and can be explosive. Completely different thing.

Ferrous Oxide and wustite are different substances with the same chemical makeup, kind of like diamond and graphite.

In the space of less than a century, the UK has gone from "superpower" to "truly pathetic". The EU tells them that they have to keep a dangerous terrorist who hates the West in their country, and the British curl up into a corner and squeak "Ok...".

I still don't see what Hitler saw in you Brits. You're just as soft as the French.

Bullshit. We decided to deport him, the ECHR is probably gonna overturn that. It's not like we did what they wanted to straight away. Anyway, I don't see Australia doing anything important. Except for having race riots.

Bullshit. We decided to deport him, the ECHR is probably gonna overturn that. It's not like we did what they wanted to straight away. Anyway, I don't see Australia doing anything important. Except for having race riots.

Hey, we have fucking detention centres. We don't let the riff raff in straight away, at least.

You should IGNORE the ECHR. You know, Britain wouldn't have let this stand two hundreds years ago. The son of a bitch would have been launched out of a cannon into the ocean.

You know, Britain wouldn't have let this stand two hundreds years ago. The son of a bitch would have been launched out of a cannon into the ocean.

No, we would have sent him to Australia

No, we would have sent him to Australia

ZING!

Transportation for 1000, Trebek.

No, we would have sent him to Australia

Which is fine. Now, you have the Falklands, same deal.