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Stemming from Dimesa's thread: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=583606:

Male Generalites:
Are we, women, truly so difficult to understand?

Yes.

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Yes.

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Why?

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Yes you are! You give out signs, fuck up our minds, make us fall for you and then either return that love or brush it aside no matter what we do!

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Yes you are, but I believe it is a product of how men are taught to be. Where women are allowed to explore their emotions, men are constantly taught to be stoic and not let their emotions control them. So in the latter stages of life, when men are trying to relate to or understand their female counterparts, they lack the neccasarry experience with their emotional side to understand the depths of the problem.

That or it could be that men think with their stomache and appendage. :p

Nope.

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People are people. Women no harder to understand than men. Stereotypes are foolish and pathetic.

Fuck yes.

What was that old saying, the day that any man can understand women is the day that he is crowed king of the world? Or something like that. :p

Yes, woman can be very difficult to understand, if you don't take the time to try to listen and understand them. On the other hand though, I have run into many women who don't take the time to explain things to their guy friends either and then get annoyed when they are not understood.

No, just different. Which can be bloody annoying sometimes.

Are we, women, truly so difficult to understand?

No.

Stemming from Dimesa's thread: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=583606:

Male Generalites:
Are we, women, truly so difficult to understand?

Yes.

As to "Why"?

Women don't process information the same way that men do, don't have the same priorities (in a general sense) that Men have, and don't react the same way to stimuli. There's been some study of this, and the results indicated that women use both halves of their brains to address problems that men, on average, use only the left hemisphere for. Something about a higher density of connective tissue between the Hemispheres of the Female brain...

Also, women have a biologically higher pain-threshold than men (all other factors being roughly equal)-this is probably a good thing, since birth is such a painful process.

People are people. Women no harder to understand than men. Stereotypes are foolish and pathetic.

What - all stereotypes?

What a sweeping statement!

:p

Stemming from Dimesa's thread: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=583606:

Male Generalites:
Are we, women, truly so difficult to understand?

Yes.

Male Generalites:
Are we, women, truly so difficult to understand?

Whatcha saying? I don't understand a word of it!

Women are perplexing. However, I also wonder how well women actually understand men. I think men are actually emotionally much simpler compared to women but perhaps this concept of simplicity is difficult for the female psyche to comprehend. 90% of the arguments I have with my gf are the result of some kind of mutual misunderstanding of each other. So yes I'd say we each sex is mutually perplexing to the other.

Eh...for all this talk of women being mysterious and enigmatic, I find the opposite. I've had almost no idea what the flying fudge most of the guys I've known have been thinking, despite going to a school that was full of the strange feckers. The few exceptions of people I have been able to understand fairly well are either gay or camp guys.

Women are perfectly comprehensible. Rational even.





After menopause! ;)

Women are perplexing. However, I also wonder how well women actually understand men. I think men are actually emotionally much simpler compared to women but perhaps this concept of simplicity is difficult for the female psyche to comprehend. 90% of the arguments I have with my gf are the result of some kind of mutual misunderstanding of each other. So yes I'd say we each sex is mutually perplexing to the other.
Ya know, I've never really bought that idea that men are somehow emotionally simpler than women (especially given that historically it used to be the other way around). I do think that both sexes have slightly different goals and different ways of going about attaining those goals, but one isn't more simpler than the other.

That said, yeah, there's a lot of arguments just because both sides are too damn quick to jump to conclusions instead of actually listening.

Sometimes, yes; but then again I have a hard time understanding most other men too.

It depends on any number of factors, not the least of which is the emotional simplicity some men affect to affirm masculinity.

I find that men tend to be more straightforward when discussing an issue. Mind you, this is hardly a rule, and just a trend that I've noticed in my relationships.

When I mess up with a male friend, he will generally come up and say it, and it will be discussed in a very cut and dry manner. With my female friends, it might not be addressed directly. They'll allude to the problem, but won't always say it directly.

"You did X and I'm pissed because ___" vs. "I'm mad that you did this." Example one explains the why, example two just tells me the reaction and not the why...I'm expected to interpret that.
The recent exception was two of my male friends who, rather than listening to what happened and my side of the story, decided to react first, without ever telling me what the actual issue at hand was. I knew what the events that caused the reaction were, but not why they caused said reaction.

Women are often taught that emotion is "okay", whereas men are told to be macho and without complexity; this might contribute to the male's lack of experience and comprehension of feelings and gestures. But I do not believe there is anything inherently more difficult about a woman than a man, other than child birth. The effects of testosterone, "periods" and menopause are mostly cultural and psychological rather than promoted by the body.

when I think of women. I think of a man then take away reason and accountability.

Stemming from Dimesa's thread: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=583606:

Male Generalites:
Are we, women, truly so difficult to understand?

No. If you can't understand women, you haven't tried, or you can't be bothered.

nothing anyone has written hear would qualify women as "an enigma"

Women are only difficult for men to understand if they do not make the effort to.

In romantic relationships, misunderstandings are usually due to the inherent fear on both parties that the relationship won't work out, rather than due to one gender's comparative incomprehensibility.

when I think of women. I think of a man then take away reason and accountability.

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If men don't understand women, it's probably because they don't really understand themselves. - and vice versa.

We're all human beings and we all have the same basic needs, everything else is window dressing and commentary.

If men don't understand women, it's probably because they don't really understand themselves.
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SURE blame it on the man when your too confusing to understand.

I guess I just reject the whole "I can't understand women!" bullshit. It's tired, and it's old, the commentary of angsty teenagers, antisocial Asperger's wannabes and myogenistic women-haters.

Women aren't "cryptic". They aren't "hard to understand". They're people. They're human beings. My girlfriend isn't some strange alien creature. She's a person. With hopes and dreams and fears and aspirations just like everyone else.

If you think women are such complex being, you may try talking to them, like you would anyone else.

I guess I just reject the whole "I can't understand women!" bullshit. It's tired, and it's old, the commentary of angsty teenagers, antisocial Asperger's wannabes and myogenistic women-haters.

Women aren't "cryptic". They aren't "hard to understand". They're people. They're human beings. My girlfriend isn't some strange alien creature. She's a person. With hopes and dreams and fears and aspirations just like everyone else.

If you think women are such complex being, you may try talking to them, like you would anyone else.

come now. we only say women are not understandable when we need and excuse to not do something with are friends. So of course we blame the ball and chain.

If you think women are such complex being, you may try talking to them, like you would anyone else.

The Female Hivemind rejects your statement. Oh, now you want to talk. You can ignore us when it's convenient to you, but when you need something, suddenly you want to talk. Don't you care about anything other than yourself? Why don't you call me more often? This has been a broadcast of the Female Hivemind.

I must affirm the OP claim, at least partially.

It is my experience that we live in a world with many parallel but different cultures that simply happen to coexist in the same society. There are definitely "guy cultures" and "girl cultures," and it is often the case that communication across this cultural barrier is difficult. Anyone assuming incorrectly that a member of the same society communicates and behaves in the same style they do is liable to fail to understand or be understood.

I would posit that it certainly seems as if most on both sides of the gender fence are perfectly content to engage in practices that foster misunderstandings between them. This is a logical consequence of continually dividing and isolating the genders in as many situations as possible.

I guess I just reject the whole "I can't understand women!" bullshit. It's tired, and it's old, the commentary of angsty teenagers, antisocial Asperger's wannabes and myogenistic women-haters.

Women aren't "cryptic". They aren't "hard to understand". They're people. They're human beings. My girlfriend isn't some strange alien creature. She's a person. With hopes and dreams and fears and aspirations just like everyone else.

If you think women are such complex being, you may try talking to them, like you would anyone else.

NA has teh smart. *nod*

Well, except for the bit about his girlfriend not being an alien. I happen to have inside information that she's from a small planet near Betelgeuse, and is just exceptionally good at hiding her second head.

NA has teh smart. *nod*

Well, except for the bit about his girlfriend not being an alien. I happen to have inside information that she's from a small planet near Betelgeuse, and is just exceptionally good at hiding her second head.

And NA is a Jew, they have two faces too :D

NOTE: This is intended as nothing more than a bad joke; I have nothing bu respect for NA but this joke was too hard to pass up.

Anyone who expects to understand another person completely, and doesn't recognize that as individuals we all have some sense of privacy, of being different without having to justify it always ... is probably treating others as inferiors to themselves. You can't fully understand something as complex as yourself.

A corrollary of that is that you can't fully understand yourself, which I believe. Even one's own nature is something of an enigma!

Why?

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You say something, and then get offended when a male does exactly as you claimed you wanted. Because we're supposed to know.

I must affirm the OP claim, at least partially.

It is my experience that we live in a world with many parallel but different cultures that simply happen to coexist in the same society. There are definitely "guy cultures" and "girl cultures," and it is often the case that communication across this cultural barrier is difficult. Anyone assuming incorrectly that a member of the same society communicates and behaves in the same style they do is liable to fail to understand or be understood.

I would posit that it certainly seems as if most on both sides of the gender fence are perfectly content to engage in practices that foster misunderstandings between them. This is a logical consequence of continually dividing and isolating the genders in as many situations as possible.
well now really. we barely exist in seperate spheres any more. not like 50 years ago when women werent allowed in men's jobs.

all it means is that women cant be counted on to react the same way as men do. that hardly makes us an enigma.

I guess I just reject the whole "I can't understand women!" bullshit. It's tired, and it's old, the commentary of angsty teenagers, antisocial Asperger's wannabes and myogenistic women-haters.

Women aren't "cryptic". They aren't "hard to understand". They're people. They're human beings. My girlfriend isn't some strange alien creature. She's a person. With hopes and dreams and fears and aspirations just like everyone else.

If you think women are such complex being, you may try talking to them, like you would anyone else.

One thing I find that helps when trying to understand women is when talking to them listen to what they have to say, instead of staring at their boobs. Or at least, in addition to that.

I guess I just reject the whole "I can't understand women!" bullshit. It's tired, and it's old, the commentary of angsty teenagers, antisocial Asperger's wannabes and myogenistic women-haters.

Women aren't "cryptic". They aren't "hard to understand". They're people. They're human beings. My girlfriend isn't some strange alien creature. She's a person. With hopes and dreams and fears and aspirations just like everyone else.

If you think women are such complex being, you may try talking to them, like you would anyone else.

I demand proof.


And you're SO not invited into the he-man woman haters clubhouse anymore.

And you're SO not invited into the he-man woman haters clubhouse anymore.

That's fine, I'm making my OWN club. with blackjack. And hookers. In fact, forget the club and the blackjack!

*forms club of no Sarkhaans*

*lets in Sarkhaan Jones, points out that we're allowed ONE*

SURE blame it on the man when your too confusing to understand.

SURE, ignore the rest of the post when you're trying to be funny. (operative word here -trying)

I must affirm the OP claim, at least partially.

It is my experience that we live in a world with many parallel but different cultures that simply happen to coexist in the same society. There are definitely "guy cultures" and "girl cultures," and it is often the case that communication across this cultural barrier is difficult. Anyone assuming incorrectly that a member of the same society communicates and behaves in the same style they do is liable to fail to understand or be understood.

I would posit that it certainly seems as if most on both sides of the gender fence are perfectly content to engage in practices that foster misunderstandings between them. This is a logical consequence of continually dividing and isolating the genders in as many situations as possible.

But do we do that?

Isn't the workplace a great unifier, in which people are judged by their acts not by their "nature" ? Isn't the law a great unifier, in which the overwhelming majority of recognized rights are irrespective of gender ?

As I see it, work and rights are fundamental to the formation of social roles. The continuing division of roles by gender is simply a hangover in a milieu which takes a long time to change.

Total bollocks, methinks. Girls are very easy to understand, I've always found. As a generalisation, I find that the female brain works in a very simple, just sometimes bewilderingly over-awing way. I find that if you actually communicate with the birds rather than just look and talk at them, they're easier to understand because they open up and tell you everything you need to know. A man (again, a generalisation, but one I fall into) you can know for years and never really know what's going on in his head because there's almost always some processes going on that he doesn't want to reveal for whatever reason (macho pride, insecurity, privacy, whatever).

So in sum, women are easier to understand than men because they tend to, you know, tell you shit. It's just that men don't make such a big deal when they get misunderstood.

*insert obligatory comment about individuals vs. hiveminds here*

Stemming from Dimesa's thread: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=583606:

Male Generalites:
Are we, women, truly so difficult to understand?

Yes, nothing about you conforms with the predetermined logic processes of the male brain. Not your bras, not your moods, not anything. We understand more about stars that have died thousands of years ago than we do about women

Yes, nothing about you conforms with the predetermined logic processes of the male brain. Not your bras, not your moods, not anything. We understand more about stars that have died thousands of years ago than we do about women

Okay, I just have to pause for a moment on this topic.

What is the deal with guys who cannot fathom how to unfasten a bra? It is a freaking hook and eye closure! It is approximately the simplest device imaginable! What, males of the world, is so colossally confusing about the things? :p

Yes, nothing about you conforms with the predetermined logic processes of the male brain. Not your bras, not your moods, not anything. We understand more about stars that have died thousands of years ago than we do about women

that's because stars follow the laws of physics women's brains do not, or perhaps they follow some un discovered quantum mechanic if they do.

i would say women are different but not actually harder to understand, hell i've met many a woman who i've understood better and got on better with than a lot of men.

i am a guy btw before u ask =P

Total bollocks, methinks. Girls are very easy to understand, I've always found. As a generalisation, I find that the female brain works in a very simple, just sometimes bewilderingly over-awing way. I find that if you actually communicate with the birds rather than just look and talk at them, they're easier to understand because they open up and tell you everything you need to know. A man (again, a generalisation, but one I fall into) you can know for years and never really know what's going on in his head because there's almost always some processes going on that he doesn't want to reveal for whatever reason (macho pride, insecurity, privacy, whatever).

So in sum, women are easier to understand than men because they tend to, you know, tell you shit. It's just that men don't make such a big deal when they get misunderstood.

*insert obligatory comment about individuals vs. hiveminds here*
its just that men dont give a shit when other men dont tell them stuff. or when they misunderstand a situation.

Okay, I just have to pause for a moment on this topic.

What is the deal with guys who cannot fathom how to unfasten a bra? It is a freaking hook and eye closure! It is approximately the simplest device imaginable! What, males of the world, is so colossally confusing about the things? :p

Yeah but we have to manage it one handed because our other hand is busy elsewhere!

I'll put on the bra and you try unfastening it while massaging my junk and see how easy it is :eek:

Okay, I just have to pause for a moment on this topic.

What is the deal with guys who cannot fathom how to unfasten a bra? It is a freaking hook and eye closure! It is approximately the simplest device imaginable! What, males of the world, is so colossally confusing about the things? :p

Seriously... thats the easiest thing to understand about women. I could do it one handed without looking at one point.

its just that men dont give a shit when other men dont tell them stuff. or when they misunderstand a situation.

Pretty much what I was failing to get at, yeah. I wonder why that is? Is it because deep down we know there's no way the other person could have known the situation, whereas women know they've explained it well enough? Or is it just differing priorities?

Okay, I just have to pause for a moment on this topic.

What is the deal with guys who cannot fathom how to unfasten a bra? It is a freaking hook and eye closure! It is approximately the simplest device imaginable! What, males of the world, is so colossally confusing about the things? :p

You know, I really don't know. I actually come from a fashion family, so I understand the mechanics of a bra, and yet no matter how many girlfriends I have the blasted clips prove to be the world's most effective contraceptive.

It would also help if ten minutes in, you would give us a head's-up the clasp is on the front.

... Are we, women, truly so difficult to understand?

Yes, its why I went gay.

It would also help if ten minutes in, you would give us a head's-up the clasp is on the front.

Those are my favorite kind...

Yes, its why I went gay.

Ha Ha. ...seriously?

Those are my favorite kind...

When you know...

Seriously... thats the easiest thing to understand about women. I could do it one handed without looking at one point.

I had to study one for a bit before I realised how it would work, but then it became simple one handed without looking. I mean hell, them inferior women manage it every day, surely us brainier macho men can handle it, amirite?

Actually I kind of enjoy taking the bra off. I like corsets and camisoles best because the are just so much fun to take off :p

I had to study one for a bit before I realised how it would work, but then it became simple one handed without looking. I mean hell, them inferior women manage it every day, surely us brainier macho men can handle it, amirite?

uug.

I had to study one for a bit before I realised how it would work, but then it became simple one handed without looking. I mean hell, them inferior women manage it every day, surely us brainier macho men can handle it, amirite?

then your Gf changes to a bra that fastens in the front. Then she changes to a completely different hook/clasp style. Then once you got that down she is wearing a sports bra. see women are evil but oh so tempting.

When you know...

Removing a woman's bra is like unwrapping a present, just like zipping up the back of a dress is like wrapping one. I like the ones that open from the front because its like the present popping right of the the box.

Do you know whats annoying... It's not getting the bra off it's realizing that you tied up her arms before you took the bra off and then your like... F'ck! Time to get the scissors.

Actually I kind of enjoy taking the bra off. I like corsets and camisoles best because the are just so much fun to take off :p

Well, they're certainly more fun to take off than to put on. I was wearing my corset just the other day, and it's always rather impressive how much effort putting the thing on requires.

I have to marvel at my own threadjacking skills for a moment. :cool:

This is a much better topic.

Well, they're certainly more fun to take off than to put on. I was wearing my corset just the other day, and it's always rather impressive how much effort putting the thing on requires.

Yeah but I don't have to put them on. Only take them off ;)

Do you know whats annoying... It's not getting the bra off it's realizing that you tied up her arms before you took the bra off and then your like... F'ck! Time to get the scissors.

dude, seriously, and usually she bitches about it, because she wore the hot underwear since she was planning on getting lucky.

That's what the ball gag is for...

Pretty much what I was failing to get at, yeah. I wonder why that is? Is it because deep down we know there's no way the other person could have known the situation, whereas women know they've explained it well enough? Or is it just differing priorities?
more that its "vitally important" to get along with a girl. if you misunderstand your best friend you dont miss any orgasms.

Well, they're certainly more fun to take off than to put on. I was wearing my corset just the other day, and it's always rather impressive how much effort putting the thing on requires.

Its easier with a friend... I like putting them on women almost as much as taking them off. One of my 'skills' is turning putting clothing on into an intimate process that makes women shiver when they remember it ;).

dude, seriously, and usually she bitches about it, because she wore the hot underwear since she was planning on getting lucky.

That's what the ball gag is for...

Well ball aren't so much fun... they block a much needed orifice.

dude, seriously, and usually she bitches about it, because she wore the hot underwear since she was planning on getting lucky.

That's what the ball gag is for...

Fuck you, if you took scissors to my bra, I'd take scissors to your nuts while you sleep.

Ha Ha. ...seriously?

... No, I really just like guys better.

Well ball aren't so much fun... they block a much needed orifice.

You're an orifice.

Fuck you, if you took scissors to my bra, I'd take scissors to your nuts while you sleep.

Untying the knot is more fun anyway...

Its easier with a friend... I like putting them on women almost as much as taking them off. One of my 'skills' is turning putting clothing on into an intimate process that makes women shiver when they remember it ;).

Hmm, I've always left that part to the woman... perhaps I will try that. It could be fun.

Fuck you, if you took scissors to my bra, I'd take scissors to your nuts while you sleep.

this is why you remind me about the bra BEFORE I tie you up.

Its easier with a friend... I like putting them on women almost as much as taking them off. One of my 'skills' is turning putting clothing on into an intimate process that makes women shiver when they remember it ;).

I have an eleven inch long penis which is actually worshiped by a tribe of Amazons, who regard it as a fertility deity and make daily sacrifices to my awesomeness.

You're an orifice.

Nuh uh, you are. pffffpthth.

I have an eleven inch long penis which is actually worshiped by a tribe of Amazons, who regard it as a fertility deity and make daily sacrifices to my awesomeness.

Mandingo?

this is why you remind me about the bra BEFORE I tie you up.

What, are you blindfolded? Do you see my nipples? If not, it's probably because my ridiculously expensive bra is still on. This is really more of a rant about how much they fucking make us pay for essential underwear...even a nasty ass 'skin' tone granny bra costs too much!

Point being, if you have to untie me to get my bra off, isn't that preferable to making a really bad enemy?

I have an eleven inch long penis which is actually worshiped by a tribe of Amazons, who regard it as a fertility deity and make daily sacrifices to my awesomeness.

Well good for you, since I lack a penis larger than average size and I'm not exactly the best looking guy on the planet I had to develope fun ways to show lust and affection for my partners.

Hmm, I've always left that part to the woman... perhaps I will try that. It could be fun.

It is fun.

What, are you blindfolded? Do you see my nipples? If not, it's probably because my ridiculously expensive bra is still on.

Maybe it's a see-through bra. I have a couple of those... :p

What, are you blindfolded? Do you see my nipples? If not, it's probably because my ridiculously expensive bra is still on. This is really more of a rant about how much they fucking make us pay for essential underwear...even a nasty ass 'skin' tone granny bra costs too much!

Point being, if you have to untie me to get my bra off, isn't that preferable to making a really bad enemy?

Yeah, since this is a true story I admit it's pretty fucking stupid of me not to realize... and If it makes you feel any better It was the sexy bra but I bought it for her, and I bought her another one. Clever girl actually repaired the bra by buying some new straps for it too so she ended up with two! See, so it wasn't so bad in the end.

Well good for you, since I lack a penis larger than average size and I'm not exactly the best looking guy on the planet I had to develope fun ways to show lust and affection for my partners.

Worship is fun for everyone involved, and religion is spiritually uplifting. My sexual partners shudder not in banal physical pleasure, but in the sheer joy of spiritual and emotional fulfillment that I create in them, allowing me to use them as an army of dedicated zealots with which to eventually take over the world. I'm not bragging, I just think it's a better system.

Maybe it's a see-through bra. I have a couple of those... :p

Those actually aren't as nice in my opinion.

I have an eleven inch long penis which is actually worshiped by a tribe of Amazons, who regard it as a fertility deity and make daily sacrifices to my awesomeness.

Lol...

Though I sort of had a freakier image in my head, of like, dressing a doll...combing her hair...

Maybe it's a see-through bra. I have a couple of those... :p

And do you really want it cut off?

And do you really want it cut off?

....yes and no? ;)

And do you really want it cut off?

Probably not with a hatchet.

satin. it's so damn sexy I can't stand it!

Probably not with a hatchet.

This is true. Hatchets are not sexy.

Stemming from Dimesa's thread: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=583606:

Male Generalites:
Are we, women, truly so difficult to understand?

Depends on the women, some women are so transparent, I can read them like a newspaper. However, my best friend somehow makes it hard for me to get a good read on her, and she hides her emotions very well. She is difficult to understand because of the way she is, and that her actions can seem contradictory at times.

satin. it's so damn sexy I can't stand it!

My name is SaintB and I endorse this message.

This is true. Hatchets are not sexy.

They are if you have a lumberjack fantasy!

This is true. Hatchets are not sexy.

But as an ensemble (http://images.buycostumes.com/mgen/merchandiser/33341.jpg)...

Those actually aren't as nice in my opinion.

Eh, I don't get them because they're pretty, I get them because being see-through necessarily means not having all the stupid molded padding most bras have.

They are if you have a lumberjack fantasy!

What kind of lumberjack fantasy?

Eh, I don't get them because they're pretty, I get them because being see-through necessarily means not having all the stupid molded padding most bras have.

Good point, I guess for comfort they might be nice but too me they just aint sexy. Of course I never expect women to sacrifice comfort for sexy because when sufficiently interested in one, a woman can be sexy no matter what.

What kind of lumberjack fantasy?

I know some strange people. When I consider it I have actually thought of more than one sexy use for a hatchet though.

Eh, I don't get them because they're pretty, I get them because being see-through necessarily means not having all the stupid molded padding most bras have.

Oh yes I hate all that extra padding, It baffles the mind why they would put that extra padding on C cup... ???

But as an ensemble (http://images.buycostumes.com/mgen/merchandiser/33341.jpg)...

Nah. It's just not sexy. Sure a sexy girl can hold one, but the same goes for a decapitated, rotting human head. Decapitated heads aren't sexy just because sexy girls can hold them; they're sexy for completely different reasons.

Nah. It's just not sexy. Sure a sexy girl can hold one, but the same goes for a decapitated, rotting human head. Decapitated heads aren't sexy just because sexy girls can hold them; they're sexy for completely different reasons.

:eek:

You make me laugh, and then feel bad about it after.

Good point, I guess for comfort they might be nice but too me they just aint sexy. Of course I never expect women to sacrifice comfort for sexy because when sufficiently interested in one, a woman can be sexy no matter what.

Tru-nuff but sometimes the sacrifice is worth it. Which get me back to corsets and camisoles. I imagine those aren't all that comfortable but they do look so damn good and they are so much fun to take off :)

Let me put it this way, If I the body of a beautiful woman and I could make myself look *that good* but had to endure a little pain, I would.

...but thats not to say that a woman can't be sexy in a pajama bottoms and a sweater.

Love blinds people.
They want to be loved.
And therefore as a defense mechanism in their mind they start seeing shit that makes them think the other person shares the love. So the rejection doesn't hurt them as much.
But then the lie to themselves becomes obvious, and it hurts even more than if their subconsciousness hadn't lied at all.

At least that's what happened to me with a girl, I think.
She never really seemed to like me, I just made shit up in my head. Little things, that didn't actually mean anything suddenly became "SIGNS", but I was really just kidding myself.

Men and women are probably equally difficult to understand, on average. The thing is, if a man can't understand another man, he generally won't give a shit; failure to understand a woman you're attracted to, on the other hand, can be maddening (I would assume). That's probably where the exaggerated sense of women as opaque or irrational comes from, rather than from any substantive difference.

But as an ensemble (http://images.buycostumes.com/mgen/merchandiser/33341.jpg)...
Does anyone else occasionally feel like they need an adult when they read these forums?

Tru-nuff but sometimes the sacrifice is worth it. Which get me back to corsets and camisoles. I imagine those aren't all that comfortable but they do look so damn good and they are so much fun to take off :)

Let me put it this way, If I the body of a beautiful woman and I could make myself look *that good* but had to endure a little pain, I would.

...but thats not to say that a woman can't be sexy in a pajama bottoms and a sweater.

Especially when you own the sweater.

Especially when you own the sweater.

Oh, that's the best! I love stealing and wearing boy-clothes. Especially when they still smell a little bit of him. Mmm. :)

Does anyone else occasionally feel like they need an adult when they read these forums?

bad touch, BAD TOUCH!

Oh, that's the best! I love stealing and wearing boy-clothes. Especially when they still smell a little bit of him. Mmm. :)

And you have to live halfway across the country -_-

bad touch, BAD TOUCH!

"Show us on the doll..."

Oh yes I hate all that extra padding, It baffles the mind why they would put that extra padding on C cup... ???
How about a D cup? And a demi-bra. A demi D cup. Also known as a spillway. And a molded, padded one, so you get this nice second lump under the breast that is not being held properly. What fucktard who has never seen a size D breast thought that up?

I don't really need to live in a world where the sexes understand each other. I just wish I could live in a world where bra designers understood what bras are supposed to do.

"Show us on the doll..."

"Yeah. Turn it over."

Oh lordy that was all so very wrong.

"Yeah. Turn it over."

Oh lordy that was all so very wrong.

and yet, so very right.

In reference to the OP: I have never understood it when men say they don't understand women. In fact, men don't make any sense to me at all. ;)

How about a D cup? And a demi-bra. A demi D cup. Also known as a spillway. And a molded, padded one, so you get this nice second lump under the breast that is not being held properly. What fucktard who has never see a size D breast thought that up?

I don't really need to live in a world where the sexes understand each other. I just wish I could live in a world where bra designers understood what bras are supposed to do.

I tried on one of those just a couple of weeks ago. It was utterly baffling.

I also was intrigued by the D cup that might, maybe, almost have covered half of a size A boob. On me, it did not even come a quarter of the way up. I could not fathom what the hell the point of it was supposed to be.

"Yeah. Turn it over."

Oh lordy that was all so very wrong.

and yet, so very right.
Is this going to turn into one of those parties where the boys are all on one side of the room and the girls are all on the other? :D

Is this going to turn into one of those parties where the boys are all on one side of the room and the girls are all on the other? :D

If it does I am standing on the side of the room witht he girls, these guys scare me.

I will shoot you hoodlums if you ever try to jack my thread like you did this one.

I tried on one of those just a couple of weeks ago. It was utterly baffling.

I also was intrigued by the D cup that might, maybe, almost have covered half of a size A boob. On me, it did not even come a quarter of the way up. I could not fathom what the hell the point of it was supposed to be.

Oh man your a D cup, can I see? :D Pretty please...

I tried on one of those just a couple of weeks ago. It was utterly baffling.

I also was intrigued by the D cup that might, maybe, almost have covered half of a size A boob. On me, it did not even come a quarter of the way up. I could not fathom what the hell the point of it was supposed to be.

Japanese imported sexual torture devices.

I tried on one of those just a couple of weeks ago. It was utterly baffling.

I also was intrigued by the D cup that might, maybe, almost have covered half of a size A boob. On me, it did not even come a quarter of the way up. I could not fathom what the hell the point of it was supposed to be.
They're not even big enough to serve as shelves (you know, for the boob to lie on). It's really annoying. I have a hell of a time finding bras that won't stretch out after two wearings or create really unfortunate lines and bulges.

Is this going to turn into one of those parties where the boys are all on one side of the room and the girls are all on the other? :D

One could only hope...


*ahem*

Woiuld be fitting, since you wimin are impossible to understand.

They are if you have a lumberjack fantasy!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=clPYfaTvHT0

The thing is, if a man can't understand another man, he generally won't give a shit; failure to understand a woman you're attracted to, on the other hand, can be maddening (I would assume).

As a guy I can clarify, there is few men I don't understand. Most are kind of two dimensional, so are a lot of women. Not understanding the woman you're attracted to, is VERY maddening, I practically went psychotic once over a girl that I couldn't understand. I wrote a fifteen hundred paged novel on my love for one, what maddened me more was that the less I understood of her, the more three dimensional she became in my mind, the harder it was to ask her out, or even talk to her. You practically need to just ask her out before knowing anything about her, relying on stereotypes and gossip.

Good bras are damn hard to find. So hard to find that when I actually DO find a good bra, I buy four of them. Seriously.

I've got a few demis and I'm a D-cup...you have to find the ones without the padding, some nice lace and an underwire. I'm rather fond of underwires, but some women hate them. I have also found the perfect push up bras at La Senza...still about $30 a pop, but not bad considering bra prices.

I hate bra shopping. It's demoralising. You try on literally dozens before you find one that doesn't deform your tits, or hurt in some god-awful way. This is why the idea of someone cutting off one of my bras makes me want to hurt them, very, very badly. Do you KNOW how long it fucking took me to FIND that bra!?

I will shoot you hoodlums if you ever try to jack my thread like you did this one.

Its my fault... Natsu will probably beat me up now :(

No, you are perfectly understandable, once men become familiar with Ladder Theory.

http://www.laddertheory.com/

Oh man your a D cup, can I see? :D Pretty please...

Somewhere between C and D, depending on the bra. And no, you cannot. :tongue:

I will shoot you hoodlums if you ever try to jack my thread like you did this one.
Hehe. *makes plans*

No, you are perfectly understandable, once men become familiar with Ladder Theory.

http://www.laddertheory.com/

Ah yes, the theory of whiny immature boys who can't get laid precisely because they are whiny immature boys....

And no, you cannot. :tongue:

I have a new goal in life!

They're not even big enough to serve as shelves (you know, for the boob to lie on). It's really annoying. I have a hell of a time finding bras that won't stretch out after two wearings or create really unfortunate lines and bulges.

When I took my girls (that's not a euphemism for my breasts) to the optometrist, his assistant was clearly wearing a bra that didn't fit, and she had that annoying quadruple breast thing happening under her tight shirt. I was embarrassed and annoyed for her.

Good bras are damn hard to find. So hard to find that when I actually DO find a good bra, I buy four of them. Seriously.

I've got a few demis and I'm a D-cup...you have to find the ones without the padding, some nice lace and an underwire. I'm rather fond of underwires, but some women hate them. I have also found the perfect push up bras at La Senza...still about $30 a pop, but not bad considering bra prices.

I hate bra shopping. It's demoralising. You try on literally dozens before you find one that doesn't deform your tits, or hurt in some god-awful way. This is why the idea of someone cutting off one of my bras makes me want to hurt them, very, very badly. Do you KNOW how long it fucking took me to FIND that bra!?

You know, it actually cheers me up that you find bra shopping miserable and demoralizing, too, because I always leave the dressing room feeling like I must be freakishly deformed or something. You do not appear to be freakishly deformed, and therefore I can logically extrapolate that bra manufacturers just suck. :p

No, you are perfectly understandable, once men become familiar with Ladder Theory.

http://www.laddertheory.com/

ahh yes, the ladder theory. A relationship theory that is propagated by men who have heard "let's just be friends" so many times that the only explanation in their mind is that it has to be a conspiracy.

Ah yes, the theory of whiny immature boys who can't get laid precisely because they are whiny immature boys....

Word. "Ladder theory" is the stupidest crap ever.

Ah yes, the theory of whiny immature boys who can't get laid precisely because they are whiny immature boys....

Speaking from experience, I presume :p

Stemming from Dimesa's thread: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=583606:

Male Generalites:
Are we, women, truly so difficult to understand?

not really. people are hard to understand sometimes, but certainly not just women. i find the emotional-ness of my girlfriend hard to deal with sometimes, as she will get emotional at things that don't make sense to me. but while i may not understand - at least initially - why she is [insert emotion here, usually upset], i can understand what she wants of me to reassure her, help her feel better, feel loved and work her way through whatever she's feeling. then we'll usually talk about it and then i'll understand why she got [emotion] in the first place, which always helps avoid repeat things in the future, or can just help me be more understanding. i've learned to be a good listener, and she's learned to be good at explaining how she feels (usually after she's calmed down a bit). the best bit is that it works the other way round, too :wink:


the sad thing, though, is that i feel a lot of men would call me a pussy, pussywhipped or something for wanting to take the time to understand how my g/f feels, not judging her or how she feels, and just wanting to make her feel better, which might include changing my behaviour slightly (in the way i do or say some things) in order to respect how she feels and help her to not get upset about x or y again. meh.

Speaking from experience, I presume :p

wow, "I know you are but what am I". I didn't think a self respecting adult would try that one.

No, you are perfectly understandable, once men become familiar with Ladder Theory.

http://www.laddertheory.com/

Oh man If ever there was an application for prolog (http://www.swi-prolog.org/) this is it. </retreats_to_world_of_sybolic_logic_never_to_return>

Somewhere between C and D, depending on the bra. And no, you cannot. :tongue:

Damn. Well, at least I tried.

Ah yes, the theory of whiny immature boys who can't get laid precisely because they are whiny immature boys....

ahh yes, the ladder theory. A relationship theory that is propagated by men who have heard "let's just be friends" so many times that the only explanation in their mind is that it has to be a conspiracy.

Word. "Ladder theory" is the stupidest crap ever.

Pffft, none of you want to admit that it fits you to a T.

What does that even mean, btw? Fits you to a 'T'? What the fuck is a 'T', and why is it supposed to fit you so damn well?

When I took my girls (that's not a euphemism for my breasts) to the optometrist, his assistant was clearly wearing a bra that didn't fit, and she had that annoying quadruple breast thing happening under her tight shirt. I was embarrassed and annoyed for her.
That would be a much more entertaining image if it was a euphemism...
Speaking from experience, I presume :p
No, I can get laid.

wow, "I know you are but what am I". I didn't think a self respecting adult would try that one.

I think it has something to do with the playground warfare theory.

Good bras are damn hard to find. So hard to find that when I actually DO find a good bra, I buy four of them. Seriously.
Me too. Most women I know do. A bra that fits right is the holy fucking grail of underwear.

I've got a few demis and I'm a D-cup...you have to find the ones without the padding, some nice lace and an underwire. I'm rather fond of underwires, but some women hate them. I have also found the perfect push up bras at La Senza...still about $30 a pop, but not bad considering bra prices.
I am also an underwire devotee. they just last longer and hold up through a full day better. But I've only ever found two demis that fit right, ever in my whole life. And nowadays I find it very had to find unpadded bras in my size -- at least ones I can afford but which are not total junk.

I'm a full D - DD, depending on the cut of the bra. Why they pad bras D and above, I cannot understand.

I hate bra shopping. It's demoralising. You try on literally dozens before you find one that doesn't deform your tits, or hurt in some god-awful way. This is why the idea of someone cutting off one of my bras makes me want to hurt them, very, very badly. Do you KNOW how long it fucking took me to FIND that bra!?
I have been told by extremely reliable sources that the absolute best way to get a proper bra is to go to a good store that has a fitter -- one of those scary old yentas who will molest the hell out of you, but send you out with properly fitted underwear. Getting fitted for a bra by a professional is like having a personal tailor. But they are few and far between nowadays, and anyway, I'm a-scared of those old ladies.

You know, it actually cheers me up that you find bra shopping miserable and demoralizing, too, because I always leave the dressing room feeling like I must be freakishly deformed or something. You do not appear to be freakishly deformed, and therefore I can logically extrapolate that bra manufacturers just suck. :p

They do. The only experience MORE demoralising than bra shopping is swimsuit shopping. On more than one occasion it's nearly had me in tears.

ME. In tears.

So when I find a bikini that is flattering, that baby is fucking gold and nobody better mess with it!

Hehe. *makes plans*

*buys musket*

Pffft, none of you want to admit that it fits you to a T.

What does that even mean, btw? Fits you to a 'T'? What the fuck is a 'T', and why is it supposed to fit you so damn well?

I think that the phrase might come from a T-Square. A tool used by carpenters to make sure that an angle is precisely 90 degrees. If it's actually a 90 degree angle then it fits a T.

No, you are perfectly understandable, once men become familiar with Ladder Theory.

http://www.laddertheory.com/

I didn't know it was possible for me to actually lose respect for you until now.

They do. The only experience MORE demoralising than bra shopping is swimsuit shopping. On more than one occasion it's nearly had me in tears.

ME. In tears.

So when I find a bikini that is flattering, that baby is fucking gold and nobody better mess with it!
GAH!!! Bathing suit shopping!! Get thee behind me!!!

Not so much as the stereotypes would indicate, but yes.

*obligatory [/thread]*

GAH!!! Bathing suit shopping!! Get thee behind me!!!

Its even worse for us fat people :(

They do. The only experience MORE demoralising than bra shopping is swimsuit shopping. On more than one occasion it's nearly had me in tears.

ME. In tears.

So when I find a bikini that is flattering, that baby is fucking gold and nobody better mess with it!

Oh dear god yes. Swimsuit shopping is hell, which is why I've had the same swimsuit for....ten years now, maybe? I don't even know if it still fits. :p

I think the worst for me, though, is shopping for jeans. Why the hell the people who make jeans cannot understand that I am possessed of these magical mystical things known as "hips" and "an ass," and the jeans should actually be able to fit OVER them without having eight inches of extra material at the waist, I will never understand, but it leaves me feeling monstrous for being shaped like a girl.

Women are actually fairly easy to understand. All they really want is a strong man to help them ride the waves of life. Once you show your strength and superiority, they're putty in your hands and will actually pursue you as opposed to it always being the other way around.

Also, they love the helmet.

wow, "I know you are but what am I". I didn't think a self respecting adult would try that one.

And you were right: it was NM who tried it.

Oh dear god yes. Swimsuit shopping is hell, which is why I've had the same swimsuit for....ten years now, maybe? I don't even know if it still fits. :p

I think the worst for me, though, is shopping for jeans. Why the hell the people who make jeans cannot understand that I am possessed of these magical mystical things known as "hips" and "an ass," and the jeans should actually be able to fit OVER them without having eight inches of extra material at the waist, I will never understand, but it leaves me feeling monstrous for being shaped like a girl.
The only good thing about this thread at this point is that it's reminding me that I'm not the only one who has these problems.

Yes and a half

I think the worst for me, though, is shopping for jeans. Why the hell the people who make jeans cannot understand that I am possessed of these magical mystical things known as "hips" and "an ass," and the jeans should actually be able to fit OVER them without having eight inches of extra material at the waist, I will never understand, but it leaves me feeling monstrous for being shaped like a girl.

I am a dude but I can sympathize with this. I want to wear jeans that fit at the hip but they either fit at the belly button, just beneathe where my boxer briefs fit, or lower, lower, lower, lower... why thell can't they design these things right?

I am a dude but I can sympathize with this. I want to wear jeans that fit at the hip but they either fit at the belly button, just beneathe where my boxer briefs fit, or lower, lower, lower, lower... why thell can't they design these things right?

What about the boxers themselves. I have like one pair of comfortable underwear and they are actually briefs, but nice loose fitting plenty of room to wiggle briefs. As for pants I don't have so much of a problem except that they keep on gettin' bigger - oh and I always have to hem them (I'm a shorty). Still I think we got it easy compared to the ladies.

wow, "I know you are but what am I". I didn't think a self respecting adult would try that one.
Consider the source.

Pffft, none of you want to admit that it fits you to a T.

What does that even mean, btw? Fits you to a 'T'? What the fuck is a 'T', and why is it supposed to fit you so damn well?Don't make me come over there.

I am a dude but I can sympathize with this. I want to wear jeans that fit at the hip but they either fit at the belly button, just beneathe where my boxer briefs fit, or lower, lower, lower, lower... why thell can't they design these things right?It isn't their fault you're misshapen ;)

*ducks away from shoe about to be hurled at my head*

Don't make me come over there.


...I'm not sure that's the most effective threat. :p

What about the boxers themselves. I have like one pair of comfortable underwear and they are actually briefs, but nice loose fitting plenty of room to wiggle briefs. As for pants I don't have so much of a problem except that they keep on gettin' bigger - oh and I always have to hem them (I'm a shorty). Still I think we got it easy compared to the ladies.

I hate boxers... I like boxer-breifs the best. You get the snugness of briefs with the room to breathe of boxers. I also agree we have it easier than women, I took my last girlfreind shopping to buy things and discovered why they spend so much time at the damn store.

...I'm not sure that's the most effective threat. :p

Ask Neo about his idea for my v day outfit and see if you still think that.

It isn't their fault you're misshapen ;)

*ducks away from shoe about to be hurled at my head*

Who throws a shoe?

*Throws hand grenade*

...I'm not sure that's the most effective threat. :p

It probably would be if I said it.

Ask Neo about his idea for my v day outfit and see if you still think that.

*asks*

*is answered*

Hahahahaha. I totally support this plan. And, honestly, I rather suspect Sin would support it too, since it does, after all, involve getting your pants off. :p

Who throws a shoe?

*Throws hand grenade*

*asplodes*

*asks*

*is answered*

Hahahahaha. I totally support this plan. And, honestly, I rather suspect Sin would support it too, since it does, after all, involve getting your pants off. :p

Actually, I don't doubt that. At all. I'll need a better threat I suppose.

Actually, I don't doubt that. At all. I'll need a better threat I suppose.

You could loan the outfit to NA when you're done, too. I would be entertained by that. ;)

You could loan the outfit to NA when you're done, too. I would be entertained by that. ;)

well, it is sort of a one trick pony kinda outfit, so I see no problem loaning them out

Are we, women, truly so difficult to understand?
No, not at all. But difficult to fuck. And we don't count anything less as truly understanding.

to OP Nanatsu no Tsuki
perhaps the reason we are confused by women is we haven't seen enough of them. A topless picture of yourself would go a long way in clarifying global male female misunderstandings.

I ask this in the name of global gender relations, not in any sort of freaky perverted net way of course.

well, it is sort of a one trick pony kinda outfit, so I see no problem loaning them out

better clean it first. I don't need the stains of your man love on it.

Anyone who expects to understand another person completely, and doesn't recognize that as individuals we all have some sense of privacy, of being different without having to justify it always ... is probably treating others as inferiors to themselves. You can't fully understand something as complex as yourself.

A corrollary of that is that you can't fully understand yourself, which I believe. Even one's own nature is something of an enigma!

That's true, but it gets tiring when a man just gets exasperated and tell you, "You women are so incomprehensible". We're not. We just process information differently. We just react to things differently.

better clean it first. I don't need the stains of your man love on it.

We'll see how if you deserve it.

to OP Nanatsu no Tsuki
perhaps the reason we are confused by women is we haven't seen enough of them. A topless picture of yourself would go a long way in clarifying global male female misunderstandings.

I ask this in the name of global gender relations, not in any sort of freaky perverted net way of course.

Once again, you're proven yourself to be an ape. Get the heck out of my thread.

Okay, I just have to pause for a moment on this topic.

What is the deal with guys who cannot fathom how to unfasten a bra? It is a freaking hook and eye closure! It is approximately the simplest device imaginable! What, males of the world, is so colossally confusing about the things? :p

Well, usually the boobs are pushing forward the hook and makes it harder to unfasten with one hand, or with your teeth.

Once again, you're proven yourself to be an ape. Get the heck out of my thread.

awww was hoping you'd give in on account of annoyance.

awww was hoping you'd give in on account of annoyance.

If that worked, I'd have so many women they wouldn't fit in my home.

awww was hoping you'd give in on account of annoyance.

Harassment.

to OP Nanatsu no Tsuki
perhaps the reason we are confused by women is we haven't seen enough of them. A topless picture of yourself would go a long way in clarifying global male female misunderstandings.

I ask this in the name of global gender relations, not in any sort of freaky perverted net way of course.

Dude, she's really sick of these kind of things...

awww was hoping you'd give in on account of annoyance.

I do have a mind of being annoyed. And my annoyance can result in epic insulting. But... you're an ape, I'm a human. That, right there, differentiates us greatly.

No, not at all. But difficult to fuck. And we don't count anything less as truly understanding.

There is in fact biblical support for this theory. Why else did the ancient Hebrews use the same word for "to know" and "to f***"?

Pffft, none of you want to admit that it fits you to a T.

What does that even mean, btw? Fits you to a 'T'? What the fuck is a 'T', and why is it supposed to fit you so damn well?

Maybe it's supposed to be "fits you to a tee" -- as in, one of those things that holds up golf balls. The assumption being that you are the golf ball that fits in the tee perfectly. I dunno.

And of all the topics you people had to hijack this (admittedly rather lame) one into, you picked Complaining About Clothing I Don't Like? That is completely detrimental to my continued post count because I can contribute almost nothing to it. >:-(

Dude, she's really sick of these kind of things...

Actually, she often starts them, but is much less direct; greed and death's wording lacked taste or humor, and I do not know if he was aiming for either.

Actually, she often starts them, but is much less direct; greed and death's wording lacked taste or humor, and I do not know if he was aiming for either.

He's greed and death.

I do have a mind of being annoyed. And my annoyance can result in epic insulting. But... you're an ape, I'm a human. That, right there, differentiates us greatly.

alright I apologize.

And of all the topics you people had to hijack this (admittedly rather lame) one into, you picked Complaining About Clothing I Don't Like? That is completely detrimental to my continued post count because I can contribute almost nothing to it. >:-(
You don't wear clothes?

You don't wear clothes?

I don't.

<.<
>.>

to OP Nanatsu no Tsuki
perhaps the reason we are confused by women is we haven't seen enough of them. A topless picture of yourself would go a long way in clarifying global male female misunderstandings.

I ask this in the name of global gender relations, not in any sort of freaky perverted net way of course.

http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/pix_plz.png

Actually, she often starts them, but is much less direct; greed and death's wording lacked taste or humor, and I do not know if he was aiming for either.

You're right on that count, I often started things, but as SaintB posted, I am tired of it, very tired of it.

http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/pix_plz.png

i am so that asshole.

Stemming from Dimesa's thread: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=583606:

Male Generalites:
Are we, women, truly so difficult to understand?

You have those weird emotions, and feelings. Guys don't have those things, their weird, and a little scary.

Whats more is that I otice a lot of women will tell you exactly how they feel about everything. Problematically, they tell you by the slight flick of a wrist, or the pattern of blinking, or by wriggling their toes... those mean nothing to guys, women may know this secret language, but men are clueless.

i am so that asshole.

Know any hot online babes with naked picture? hahahaha loljk...
...
Yep... just kidding, joking around, not even serious...
...
....


:tongue:

i am so that asshole.

And you're happy about that?

And you're happy about that?

to be perfectly honest i come to the internet to be an asshole. keeps me from being an asshole in real life.

You don't wear clothes?

I don't buy them, very often anyway. And when I do I usually find whatever I'm looking for pretty quickly and it fits me just fine. Most of the time.

<.<

to be perfectly honest i come to the internet to be an asshole. keeps me from being an asshole in real life.

Oh please. You're an asshole on the internet, you're an asshole in real life. That's in your damn, genetic code. Don't perfume the stink of you with petty talk.

I don't buy them, very often anyway. And when I do I usually find whatever I'm looking for pretty quickly and it fits me just fine. Most of the time.

<.<
*shoots Saint Clair Island* Anomaly resolved. *get a coffee*

Oh please. You're an asshole on the internet, you're an asshole in real life. That's in your damn, genetic code. Don't perfume the stink of you with petty talk.

I think you should both just back off now.

Oh please. You're an asshole on the internet, you're an asshole in real life. That's in your damn, genetic code. Don't perfume the stink of you with petty talk.

you don't know me in real life.

If you think women are such complex being, you may try talking to them, like you would anyone else.

Whoa, whoa, whoa! Let's not get carried away here!

you don't know me in real life.

And thank the gods for that kindness.

I think you should both just back off now.

I didn't feel like typing it again.

Oh please. You're an asshole on the internet, you're an asshole in real life. That's in your damn, genetic code. Don't perfume the stink of you with petty talk.
Just put him on ignore. There are people floating around the cybervoid who just could not get over their urge to be total shits towards me, so I keep them on ignore and my time on the net is much easier. Every now and then I check to see if they've mended their ways. They haven't. So I feel good about my decision and leave them there. Why give yourself stress over some jackass who doesn't know what "give it a freaking rest" means?

And thank the gods for that kindness.

if i really were as bad as you said wouldn't i have flung dung at you by now?

*shoots Saint Clair Island* Anomaly resolved. *get a coffee*
I tend to do the same...


*dons bulletproof vest and helmet*

Just put him on ignore. There are people floating around the cybervoid who just could not get over their urge to be total shits towards me, so I keep them on ignore and my time on the net is much easier. Every now and then I check to see if they've mended their ways. They haven't. So I feel good about my decision and leave them there. Why give yourself stress over some jackass who doesn't know what "give it a freaking rest" means?

I know. I am sorry, Mura-chan. Not my best moment. Ignore button it is.

I tend to do the same...


*dons bulletproof vest and helmet*
Honey, there is nobody who could not fit inside the shirt I saw you wearing that one time. :D

I know. I am sorry, Mura-chan. Not my best moment. Ignore button it is.
It's all good. Some people are just not worth wasting good wrath on. :D

Honey, there is nobody who could not fit inside the shirt I saw you wearing that one time. :D

It's a hockey jersey...perfectly designed for 20-something athletes and their middle aged, obese, drunken fans ;)

But the rest of my clothes fit easily too

Oh please. You're an asshole on the internet, you're an asshole in real life. That's in your damn, genetic code. Don't perfume the stink of you with petty talk.

Don't you think you're taking him a little seriously? I mean, he's obviously being somewhat hyperbolic. And the comment, in itself, isn't even offensive. He's calling himself an ass hole, not anyone else. Unless there is some other history between you two that I don't know about, that reaction is a little... bizarre.

People are hard to understand. Women are no different, it's just that men attach greater importance to their attempts to understand them.

It's a hockey jersey...perfectly designed for 20-something athletes and their middle aged, obese, drunken fans ;)

But the rest of my clothes fit easily too
I like having clothes I can dance inside of, too, but seriously, those sports jerseys are made to have dance parties inside them. You should try that some time.

People are hard to understand. Women are no different, it's just that men attach greater importance to their attempts to understand them.

Hm... that's a first. Sometimes men don't seem to put any importance into understanding women. Do you think they really do? If you're a male, do you? I honestly would like to know.

I like having clothes I can dance inside of, too, but seriously, those sports jerseys are made to have dance parties inside them. You should try that some time.

I'll get on that for you.

Hockey sweaters are the biggest offender...basketball isn't so bad.

I tend to like clothes that...well...."fit" for lack of a better word. My sweatpants are the loosest thing I own and I just wear those around the house or if I'm sick. Other than that, my jeans and slacks tend to be pretty standard male fit...not skin tight, but not baggy by any means. Shirts are generally well tailored.

Hm... that's a first. Sometimes men don't seem to put any importance into understanding women. Do you think they really do? If you're a male, do you? I honestly would like to know.

I have a girlfriend - I kinda have to try don't I. The fact that we get along pretty well indicates that I mange pretty well most of the time...

I have a girlfriend - I kinda have to try don't I. The fact that we get along pretty well indicates that I mange pretty well most of the time...

Then I must congratulate you on being there for your lady.

Thx :$

The real secret is my dashing appearance and sexual prowess ...rwar. (jk.)

Hm... that's a first. Sometimes men don't seem to put any importance into understanding women. Do you think they really do? If you're a male, do you? I honestly would like to know.

I think you are confusing boys with men. A man understands that he has to put some effort into understanding the woman if he wants to get laid.

Now women? I think they tend to give men too much credit. Too much depth. Take dating. A woman will put herself through a major overhaul for a serious date. You know how to get a man excited? You show up! ;)

As I've stated before. I've practically gone insane on occasions trying the understand a girl or two. I could see some truth that some (men) put more stock in trying to "understand" their lover.

Hm... that's a first. Sometimes men don't seem to put any importance into understanding women. Do you think they really do? If you're a male, do you? I honestly would like to know.

I do not bother: women are crazy and irrational, so I never have any difficulties interacting with them.

Bloody hell. I go out to get dinner and groceries and there is seven more pages (on 30 posts/page). O_O

While I still support my previous statement about the generality of the confusion, like most things, it comes down to individual situations. There are plenty of women that I can understand and then there are plenty I don't understand at all. It's those women that I can't understand that intruige me, and I suspect many other males, and thus the continued emphasis on why women are generally thought of to be harder to understand. It's something along the lines of the forbidden fruit theory, but in this case, it's what we don't know we desire. So, yeah?

I do not bother: women are crazy and irrational, so I never have any difficulties interacting with them.

Because you're crazy and irrational yourself?:rolleyes:

I try to understand the induvidual on an induvidual level. So to answer serious for once in this thread; I don't think women or men are so hard to uderstand as long as you pay attention, and make the effort to see what thier needs are.

Because you're crazy and irrational yourself?:rolleyes:

Exactly. I wear a hat that is literally so large it becomes lodged in doorways.

I try to understand the induvidual on an induvidual level. So to answer serious for once in this thread; I don't think women or men are so hard to uderstand as long as you pay attention, and make the effort to see what thier needs are.

That works well until you run into those people who intentionally try to play mind games with you just for the hell of it. That above anything is what pisses me the most off. When you are making a true effort to better understand someone and they hide their true intentions and then expect you to know it.

that works well until you run into those people who intentionally try to play mind games with you just for the hell of it. That above anything is what pisses me the most off. When you are making a true effort to better understand someone and they hide their true intentions and then expect you to know it.

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Exactly. I wear a hat that is literally so large it becomes lodged in doorways.

Pancho Villa, what are you doing in my thread!?:D

That works well until you run into those people who intentionally try to play mind games with you just for the hell of it. That above anything is what pisses me the most off. When you are making a true effort to better understand someone and they hide their true intentions and then expect you to know it.

I have a strong empathy for people. In person I can tell when someone is lying about thier personality or desires. I don't expect you to believe me of course... but there are times when that can translate into non-personal meetings too. I ca tell over a phone, and once or twice; through an e-mail, what is going on emotionally/mentally with someone.

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Heh, sad part about it is that as many men do it as women. I mean, if a person has taken an honest interest in you, I see no reason why you should try to play mind games with them. I have always believed that honesty is the best course of action in any relationship. *shrugs*

Pancho Villa, what are you doing in my thread!?:D

Wrong leader; close enough, though. The hat I wear, is a French-imported bicorne: over-sized and wider than my shoulders. Chicks dig it.

The difference between a man understanding men and women is simple.

1. He is a man and hence is more similar in all the biological ways (both brain and other ways). He also has much greater common cultural experiences of other men than with women.

2. Kids tend to split off into gender specific groups of friends. A man has spent much of the formative years of his life around other men, talking and hanging out with them etc. So there's a great deal more experience of dealing with them and again that different cultural experiences between the genders.

3. Lastly there's a perception of difference. Because a man thinks a woman is strange and hard to understand he tries to work out how to interact with her rather than just being relaxed and normal etc. So it becomes a sort of self-fulfilling prophecy.

I think it mostly applies vice versa as well.

Wrong leader; close enough, though. The hat I wear, is a French-imported bicorne: over-sized and wider than my shoulders. Chicks dig it.

Cesare Borgia! OR was it Medici? You're back from the dead!

I have a strong empathy for people. In person I can tell when someone is lying about thier personality or desires. I don't expect you to believe me of course... but there are times when that can translate into non-personal meetings too. I ca tell over a phone, and once or twice; through an e-mail, what is going on emotionally/mentally with someone.

I believe, as I tend to develop a strong empathy for those I get to know. It's an odd thing to have, but it certainly does have its uses.

Heh, sad part about it is that as many men do it as women. I mean, if a person has taken an honest interest in you, I see no reason why you should try to play mind games with them. I have always believed that honesty is the best course of action in any relationship. *shrugs*

Gallo-dono, don't give us the shifty eyes and talk.

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I believe, as I tend to develop a strong empathy for those I get to know. It's an odd thing to have, but it certainly does have its uses.

it even applies to total strangers for me. Ordinarily i just ignore it in most cases but it makes strip clubs so boring...

it even applies to total strangers for me. Ordinarily i just ignore it in most cases but it makes strip clubs so boring...

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Lol!

Gallo-dono, don't give us the shifty eyes and talk.

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Ok, I'm not really Darth Vader in that picture.

I'm Elmo.

Cesare Borgia! You're back from the dead!

One of my heroes. Very warm, but not quite there; but Durant compared the two, so you get bonus points. This is the hat I own: http://www.chapellerie-traclet.com/hat/product_info.php?products_id=210
http://www.theage.com.au/ffximage/2007/04/28/svSHREK_narrowweb__300x352,0.jpg

Ok, I'm not really Darth Vader in that picture.

I'm Elmo.

We know.

Ok, I'm not really Darth Vader in that picture.

I'm Elmo.

I knew it! :o

One of my heroes. Very warm, but not quite there; but Durant compared the two, so you get bonus points. This is the hat I own: http://www.chapellerie-traclet.com/hat/product_info.php?products_id=210
http://www.theage.com.au/ffximage/2007/04/28/svSHREK_narrowweb__300x352,0.jpg

You have a flair for the dramatic. Cool.

I knew it! :o

We all did, but you see, with Gallo-dono is always good to let him be sneaky.

You have a flair for the dramatic. Cool.

Oh yes, especially when combined with white knickers, knee-high riding boots and a long gray coat. Yet, except for a bunch of history buffs at a board-game convention, all my complements come from women--men tend say derisive things.

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Lol!

Laugh if you want but I always know that most of the women there are only interested in the money and not in me and it just kills the happy feelings.

Oh yes, especially when combined with white knickers, knee-high riding boots and a long gray coat. Yet, except for a bunch of history buffs at a board-game convention, all my complements come from women--men tend say derisive things.

As a history freak, if you came up to me dressed in period clothes, I definitely would be staring. And yes, I would compliment.

Laugh if you want but I always know that most of the women there are only interested in the money and not in me and it just kills the happy feelings.

You just reminded me of a Pablo Francisco joke.:D

We all did, but you see, with Gallo-dono is always good to let him be sneaky.

Oh, I see.

*pretends to not know*

Oh Gallo, you are one with Dark Side aren't you. Please don't force choke me!