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If you believe the country is in for divine retribution due to our wayward habits, then nothing Obama does should make any difference, right? After all, his actions today will not erase our misdeeds of yesterday -- unless you DO think he is the Messiah, sent to cleanse the world of our sins...?

Haha no, I don't in any way shape or form feel that he is "the Messiah". As a matter of fact I think and hope Obama's actions will be entirely irrelevant to our country's continued existence.

Of course, there is still a chance he could have a change of heart, in which case I would then want him to be relevant.

*sniff* *gets all misty* It's beautful. *sniff*Mur, misty...? *screenshots*
For the scrapbook, Mur! :)

*says it with Nanatsu*

This is ridiculous, but ridiculous thing can be fun sometimes. :p

I am of that mind. Life is ridiculous. It's meowlicious. It's... well... It just is. I am seldom disappointed.:D

I am of that mind. Life is ridiculous. It's meowlicious. It's... well... It just is. I am seldom disappointed.:DLife is a peculiar thing. Disappointing in the extreme at some points, fulfilling to the opposite extreme at others. A balance, we have. I appreciate that.

Life is a peculiar thing. Disappointing in the extreme at some points, fulfilling to the opposite extreme at others. A balance, we have. I appreciate that.

You reminded me of Master Yoda. Oh lords!

You reminded me of Master Yoda. Oh lords!...I'm...sorry? :confused:

...I'm...sorry? :confused:

Don't be. I mean, it was the ''A balance, we have'' thingy.:wink:

Don't be. I mean, it was the ''A balance, we have'' thingy.:wink:Oh, but I speak like that normally! I don't want to go around reminding people of a three foot tall green person.

Oh, but I speak like that normally! I don't want to go around reminding people of a three foot tall green person.

Excuse me, but I would be happy to remind people of a three foot tall green goblin like Yoda. Yoda was teh awesome!

Er... derailed thread much?:$

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The OTHER time an Irishman was elected PotUS, there wasn't such a fuss. Oh wait... mhh... Cuban Missiles, Vietnam, and magic bullets...

Haha no, I don't in any way shape or form feel that he is "the Messiah". As a matter of fact I think and hope Obama's actions will be entirely irrelevant to our country's continued existence.

Of course, there is still a chance he could have a change of heart, in which case I would then want him to be relevant.
Okay, so let me see if I'm following your line of thought:

You think the US is facing potential divine retribution for our past, unnamed misdeeds, which you hope Obama will do something to avert -- i.e. something different from what he is doing, which you don't think is relevant to the past stuff that got us in divine trouble to begin with. You think that what he is doing is completely irrelevant to our continued existence, but you think that if he were to have a change of heart in some undefined way then he would suddenly become relevant. So...what he is doing now is irrelevant. So that means that it is not bad, right? Because according to your earlier post, we got ourselves into spiritual trouble with things that happened before Obama came along. So if what he is doing is irrelevant to our future, rather than contributive to our eventual divine punishment, that must mean that he is not doing the bad things that we did before we elected him.

Of course, there is the caveat to be noted: You say above not that he would become relevant if he changed his ways, but only that then you would want him to be relevant. So...does that mean that nothing you are saying has any foundation in reality but is actually merely an expression of what you wish was the case? You don't like what Obama is/does, so you wish he were irrelevant. You don't like what the country has done lately, so you wish we would be facing divine punishment unless we come around to be more what you would like us to be? You would like Obama to do certain things, and if he did, you'd like him, but until he does, you're just going to pretend like he doesn't matter?

In other words, does it all boil down to Obama actually is relevant, but you don't like him so wish he wasn't relevant?

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The OTHER time an Irishman was elected PotUS, there wasn't such a fuss. Oh wait... mhh... Cuban Missiles, Vietnam, and magic bullets...

PotUS... ROFLMFAO! I like that. PotUS. Hahahahahahahahahaha!!!:D

I'll leave now.

Excuse me, but I would be happy to remind people of a three foot tall green goblin like Yoda. Yoda was teh awesome! Yes, he was awesome, but I'm over six foot tall. It would be...odd to remind people of someone who is physically three feet and some odd inches shorter than me.
Perhaps it would help if I painted my skin green? :D

Er... derailed thread much?:$Yes, we did.

Okay, so let me see if I'm following your line of thought:

You think the US is facing potential divine retribution for our past, unnamed misdeeds, which you hope Obama will do something to avert -- i.e. something different from what he is doing, which you don't think is relevant to the past stuff that got us in divine trouble to begin with. You think that what he is doing is completely irrelevant to our continued existence, but you think that if he were to have a change of heart in some undefined way then he would suddenly become relevant. So...what he is doing now is irrelevant. So that means that it is not bad, right? Because according to your earlier post, we got ourselves into spiritual trouble with things that happened before Obama came along. So if what he is doing is irrelevant to our future, rather than contributive to our eventual divine punishment, that must mean that he is not doing the bad things that we did before we elected him.

Of course, there is the caveat to be noted: You say above not that he would become relevant if he changed his ways, but only that then you would want him to be relevant. So...does that mean that nothing you are saying has any foundation in reality but is actually merely an expression of what you wish was the case? You don't like what Obama is/does, so you wish he were irrelevant. You don't like what the country has done lately, so you wish we would be facing divine punishment unless we come around to be more what you would like us to be? You would like Obama to do certain things, and if he did, you'd like him, but until he does, you're just going to pretend like he doesn't matter?

In other words, does it all boil down to Obama actually is relevant, but you don't like him so wish he wasn't relevant?

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I'm gonna lie down now... *Dizzy*

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I'm gonna lie down now... *Dizzy*
No! Now you must tapdance while juggling three oranges and reciting all that back to me -- backwards! :D

No! Now you must tapdance while juggling three oranges and reciting all that back to me -- backwards! :D

If I do, will you be my fangirl again? :p

If I do, will you be my fangirl again? :p
It would be cheating for me to answer that in advance of you doing it. :p

It would be cheating for me to answer that in advance of you doing it. :p

*Tapdances while juggling three oranges*

¿ʇuɐʌǝlǝɹ ʇ,usɐʍ ǝɥ ɥsıʍ os ɯıɥ ǝʞıl ʇ,uop noʎ ʇnq 'ʇuɐʌǝlǝɹ sı ʎllɐnʇɔɐ ɐɯɐqo oʇ uʍop lıoq llɐ ʇı sǝop 'spɹoʍ ɹǝɥʇo uı

¿ɹǝʇʇɐɯ ʇ,usǝop ǝɥ ǝʞıl puǝʇǝɹd oʇ ƃuıoƃ ʇsnɾ ǝɹ,noʎ 'sǝop ǝɥ lıʇun ʇnq 'ɯıɥ ǝʞıl p,noʎ 'pıp ǝɥ ɟı puɐ 'sƃuıɥʇ uıɐʇɹǝɔ op oʇ ɐɯɐqo ǝʞıl plnoʍ noʎ ¿ǝq oʇ sn ǝʞıl plnoʍ noʎ ʇɐɥʍ ǝɹoɯ ǝq oʇ punoɹɐ ǝɯoɔ ǝʍ ssǝlun ʇuǝɯɥsıund ǝuıʌıp ƃuıɔɐɟ ǝq plnoʍ ǝʍ ɥsıʍ noʎ os 'ʎlǝʇɐl ǝuop sɐɥ ʎɹʇunoɔ ǝɥʇ ʇɐɥʍ ǝʞıl ʇ,uop noʎ ˙ʇuɐʌǝlǝɹɹı ǝɹǝʍ ǝɥ ɥsıʍ noʎ os 'sǝop/sı ɐɯɐqo ʇɐɥʍ ǝʞıl ʇ,uop noʎ ¿ǝsɐɔ ǝɥʇ sɐʍ ɥsıʍ noʎ ʇɐɥʍ ɟo uoıssǝɹdxǝ uɐ ʎlǝɹǝɯ ʎllɐnʇɔɐ sı ʇnq ʎʇılɐǝɹ uı uoıʇɐpunoɟ ʎuɐ sɐɥ ƃuıʎɐs ǝɹɐ noʎ ƃuıɥʇou ʇɐɥʇ uɐǝɯ ʇɐɥʇ sǝop˙˙˙os ˙ʇuɐʌǝlǝɹ ǝq oʇ ɯıɥ ʇuɐʍ plnoʍ noʎ uǝɥʇ ʇɐɥʇ ʎluo ʇnq 'sʎɐʍ sıɥ pǝƃuɐɥɔ ǝɥ ɟı ʇuɐʌǝlǝɹ ǝɯoɔǝq plnoʍ ǝɥ ʇɐɥʇ ʇou ǝʌoqɐ ʎɐs noʎ :pǝʇou ǝq oʇ ʇɐǝʌɐɔ ǝɥʇ sı ǝɹǝɥʇ 'ǝsɹnoɔ ɟo

˙ɯıɥ pǝʇɔǝlǝ ǝʍ ǝɹoɟǝq pıp ǝʍ ʇɐɥʇ sƃuıɥʇ pɐq ǝɥʇ ƃuıop ʇou sı ǝɥ ʇɐɥʇ uɐǝɯ ʇsnɯ ʇɐɥʇ 'ʇuǝɯɥsıund ǝuıʌıp lɐnʇuǝʌǝ ɹno oʇ ǝʌıʇnqıɹʇuoɔ uɐɥʇ ɹǝɥʇɐɹ 'ǝɹnʇnɟ ɹno oʇ ʇuɐʌǝlǝɹɹı sı ƃuıop sı ǝɥ ʇɐɥʍ ɟı os ˙ƃuolɐ ǝɯɐɔ ɐɯɐqo ǝɹoɟǝq pǝuǝddɐɥ ʇɐɥʇ sƃuıɥʇ ɥʇıʍ ǝlqnoɹʇ lɐnʇıɹıds oʇuı sǝʌlǝsɹno ʇoƃ ǝʍ 'ʇsod ɹǝılɹɐǝ ɹnoʎ oʇ ƃuıpɹoɔɔɐ ǝsnɐɔǝq ¿ʇɥƃıɹ 'pɐq ʇou sı ʇı ʇɐɥʇ suɐǝɯ ʇɐɥʇ os ˙ʇuɐʌǝlǝɹɹı sı ʍou ƃuıop sı ǝɥ ʇɐɥʍ˙˙˙os ˙ʇuɐʌǝlǝɹ ǝɯoɔǝq ʎluǝppns plnoʍ ǝɥ uǝɥʇ ʎɐʍ pǝuıɟǝpun ǝɯos uı ʇɹɐǝɥ ɟo ǝƃuɐɥɔ ɐ ǝʌɐɥ oʇ ǝɹǝʍ ǝɥ ɟı ʇɐɥʇ ʞuıɥʇ noʎ ʇnq 'ǝɔuǝʇsıxǝ pǝnuıʇuoɔ ɹno oʇ ʇuɐʌǝlǝɹɹı ʎlǝʇǝldɯoɔ sı ƃuıop sı ǝɥ ʇɐɥʍ ʇɐɥʇ ʞuıɥʇ noʎ ˙ɥʇıʍ uıƃǝq oʇ ǝlqnoɹʇ ǝuıʌıp uı sn ʇoƃ ʇɐɥʇ ɟɟnʇs ʇsɐd ǝɥʇ oʇ ʇuɐʌǝlǝɹ sı ʞuıɥʇ ʇ,uop noʎ ɥɔıɥʍ 'ƃuıop sı ǝɥ ʇɐɥʍ ɯoɹɟ ʇuǝɹǝɟɟıp ƃuıɥʇǝɯos ˙ǝ˙ı -- ʇɹǝʌɐ oʇ ƃuıɥʇǝɯos op llıʍ ɐɯɐqo ǝdoɥ noʎ ɥɔıɥʍ 'spǝǝpsıɯ pǝɯɐuun 'ʇsɐd ɹno ɹoɟ uoıʇnqıɹʇǝɹ ǝuıʌıp lɐıʇuǝʇod ƃuıɔɐɟ sı sn ǝɥʇ ʞuıɥʇ noʎ

:ʇɥƃnoɥʇ ɟo ǝuıl ɹnoʎ ƃuıʍolloɟ ɯ,ı ɟı ǝǝs ǝɯ ʇǝl os 'ʎɐʞo

Am I good or what?

Am I good or what?I can make that read normally, if you want. :p (HTML, right?)

*Tapdances while juggling three oranges*

¿ʇuɐʌǝlǝɹ ʇ,usɐʍ ǝɥ ɥsıʍ os ɯıɥ ǝʞıl ʇ,uop noʎ ʇnq 'ʇuɐʌǝlǝɹ sı ʎllɐnʇɔɐ ɐɯɐqo oʇ uʍop lıoq llɐ ʇı sǝop 'spɹoʍ ɹǝɥʇo uı

¿ɹǝʇʇɐɯ ʇ,usǝop ǝɥ ǝʞıl puǝʇǝɹd oʇ ƃuıoƃ ʇsnɾ ǝɹ,noʎ 'sǝop ǝɥ lıʇun ʇnq 'ɯıɥ ǝʞıl p,noʎ 'pıp ǝɥ ɟı puɐ 'sƃuıɥʇ uıɐʇɹǝɔ op oʇ ɐɯɐqo ǝʞıl plnoʍ noʎ ¿ǝq oʇ sn ǝʞıl plnoʍ noʎ ʇɐɥʍ ǝɹoɯ ǝq oʇ punoɹɐ ǝɯoɔ ǝʍ ssǝlun ʇuǝɯɥsıund ǝuıʌıp ƃuıɔɐɟ ǝq plnoʍ ǝʍ ɥsıʍ noʎ os 'ʎlǝʇɐl ǝuop sɐɥ ʎɹʇunoɔ ǝɥʇ ʇɐɥʍ ǝʞıl ʇ,uop noʎ ˙ʇuɐʌǝlǝɹɹı ǝɹǝʍ ǝɥ ɥsıʍ noʎ os 'sǝop/sı ɐɯɐqo ʇɐɥʍ ǝʞıl ʇ,uop noʎ ¿ǝsɐɔ ǝɥʇ sɐʍ ɥsıʍ noʎ ʇɐɥʍ ɟo uoıssǝɹdxǝ uɐ ʎlǝɹǝɯ ʎllɐnʇɔɐ sı ʇnq ʎʇılɐǝɹ uı uoıʇɐpunoɟ ʎuɐ sɐɥ ƃuıʎɐs ǝɹɐ noʎ ƃuıɥʇou ʇɐɥʇ uɐǝɯ ʇɐɥʇ sǝop˙˙˙os ˙ʇuɐʌǝlǝɹ ǝq oʇ ɯıɥ ʇuɐʍ plnoʍ noʎ uǝɥʇ ʇɐɥʇ ʎluo ʇnq 'sʎɐʍ sıɥ pǝƃuɐɥɔ ǝɥ ɟı ʇuɐʌǝlǝɹ ǝɯoɔǝq plnoʍ ǝɥ ʇɐɥʇ ʇou ǝʌoqɐ ʎɐs noʎ :pǝʇou ǝq oʇ ʇɐǝʌɐɔ ǝɥʇ sı ǝɹǝɥʇ 'ǝsɹnoɔ ɟo

˙ɯıɥ pǝʇɔǝlǝ ǝʍ ǝɹoɟǝq pıp ǝʍ ʇɐɥʇ sƃuıɥʇ pɐq ǝɥʇ ƃuıop ʇou sı ǝɥ ʇɐɥʇ uɐǝɯ ʇsnɯ ʇɐɥʇ 'ʇuǝɯɥsıund ǝuıʌıp lɐnʇuǝʌǝ ɹno oʇ ǝʌıʇnqıɹʇuoɔ uɐɥʇ ɹǝɥʇɐɹ 'ǝɹnʇnɟ ɹno oʇ ʇuɐʌǝlǝɹɹı sı ƃuıop sı ǝɥ ʇɐɥʍ ɟı os ˙ƃuolɐ ǝɯɐɔ ɐɯɐqo ǝɹoɟǝq pǝuǝddɐɥ ʇɐɥʇ sƃuıɥʇ ɥʇıʍ ǝlqnoɹʇ lɐnʇıɹıds oʇuı sǝʌlǝsɹno ʇoƃ ǝʍ 'ʇsod ɹǝılɹɐǝ ɹnoʎ oʇ ƃuıpɹoɔɔɐ ǝsnɐɔǝq ¿ʇɥƃıɹ 'pɐq ʇou sı ʇı ʇɐɥʇ suɐǝɯ ʇɐɥʇ os ˙ʇuɐʌǝlǝɹɹı sı ʍou ƃuıop sı ǝɥ ʇɐɥʍ˙˙˙os ˙ʇuɐʌǝlǝɹ ǝɯoɔǝq ʎluǝppns plnoʍ ǝɥ uǝɥʇ ʎɐʍ pǝuıɟǝpun ǝɯos uı ʇɹɐǝɥ ɟo ǝƃuɐɥɔ ɐ ǝʌɐɥ oʇ ǝɹǝʍ ǝɥ ɟı ʇɐɥʇ ʞuıɥʇ noʎ ʇnq 'ǝɔuǝʇsıxǝ pǝnuıʇuoɔ ɹno oʇ ʇuɐʌǝlǝɹɹı ʎlǝʇǝldɯoɔ sı ƃuıop sı ǝɥ ʇɐɥʍ ʇɐɥʇ ʞuıɥʇ noʎ ˙ɥʇıʍ uıƃǝq oʇ ǝlqnoɹʇ ǝuıʌıp uı sn ʇoƃ ʇɐɥʇ ɟɟnʇs ʇsɐd ǝɥʇ oʇ ʇuɐʌǝlǝɹ sı ʞuıɥʇ ʇ,uop noʎ ɥɔıɥʍ 'ƃuıop sı ǝɥ ʇɐɥʍ ɯoɹɟ ʇuǝɹǝɟɟıp ƃuıɥʇǝɯos ˙ǝ˙ı -- ʇɹǝʌɐ oʇ ƃuıɥʇǝɯos op llıʍ ɐɯɐqo ǝdoɥ noʎ ɥɔıɥʍ 'spǝǝpsıɯ pǝɯɐuun 'ʇsɐd ɹno ɹoɟ uoıʇnqıɹʇǝɹ ǝuıʌıp lɐıʇuǝʇod ƃuıɔɐɟ sı sn ǝɥʇ ʞuıɥʇ noʎ

:ʇɥƃnoɥʇ ɟo ǝuıl ɹnoʎ ƃuıʍolloɟ ɯ,ı ɟı ǝǝs ǝɯ ʇǝl os 'ʎɐʞo

Am I good or what?
Fucking shit. That was pretty nifty. *admires again* :D (I even like the way inverting "noted:" turns into a cheeky little tongue wag.)

Fucking shit. That was pretty nifty. *admires again* :D (I even like the way inverting "noted:" turns into a cheeky little tongue wag.)

Yay! :D

What? I AM woefully insecure, y'know. :p

I can make that read normally, if you want. :p (HTML, right?)

Shush! :p

Shush! :pI'll be quiet, but just this once, boss. ;)

Satan is a tyrant, dude. hate him. you are under his rule. at least i believe that. what you believe is your choice. it's called free will. PURRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!
Hee hee. You're silly. You gonna be around a while?

*Tapdances while juggling three oranges*

¿ʇuɐʌǝlǝɹ ʇ,usɐʍ ǝɥ ɥsıʍ os ɯıɥ ǝʞıl ʇ,uop noʎ ʇnq 'ʇuɐʌǝlǝɹ sı ʎllɐnʇɔɐ ɐɯɐqo oʇ uʍop lıoq llɐ ʇı sǝop 'spɹoʍ ɹǝɥʇo uı

¿ɹǝʇʇɐɯ ʇ,usǝop ǝɥ ǝʞıl puǝʇǝɹd oʇ ƃuıoƃ ʇsnɾ ǝɹ,noʎ 'sǝop ǝɥ lıʇun ʇnq 'ɯıɥ ǝʞıl p,noʎ 'pıp ǝɥ ɟı puɐ 'sƃuıɥʇ uıɐʇɹǝɔ op oʇ ɐɯɐqo ǝʞıl plnoʍ noʎ ¿ǝq oʇ sn ǝʞıl plnoʍ noʎ ʇɐɥʍ ǝɹoɯ ǝq oʇ punoɹɐ ǝɯoɔ ǝʍ ssǝlun ʇuǝɯɥsıund ǝuıʌıp ƃuıɔɐɟ ǝq plnoʍ ǝʍ ɥsıʍ noʎ os 'ʎlǝʇɐl ǝuop sɐɥ ʎɹʇunoɔ ǝɥʇ ʇɐɥʍ ǝʞıl ʇ,uop noʎ ˙ʇuɐʌǝlǝɹɹı ǝɹǝʍ ǝɥ ɥsıʍ noʎ os 'sǝop/sı ɐɯɐqo ʇɐɥʍ ǝʞıl ʇ,uop noʎ ¿ǝsɐɔ ǝɥʇ sɐʍ ɥsıʍ noʎ ʇɐɥʍ ɟo uoıssǝɹdxǝ uɐ ʎlǝɹǝɯ ʎllɐnʇɔɐ sı ʇnq ʎʇılɐǝɹ uı uoıʇɐpunoɟ ʎuɐ sɐɥ ƃuıʎɐs ǝɹɐ noʎ ƃuıɥʇou ʇɐɥʇ uɐǝɯ ʇɐɥʇ sǝop˙˙˙os ˙ʇuɐʌǝlǝɹ ǝq oʇ ɯıɥ ʇuɐʍ plnoʍ noʎ uǝɥʇ ʇɐɥʇ ʎluo ʇnq 'sʎɐʍ sıɥ pǝƃuɐɥɔ ǝɥ ɟı ʇuɐʌǝlǝɹ ǝɯoɔǝq plnoʍ ǝɥ ʇɐɥʇ ʇou ǝʌoqɐ ʎɐs noʎ :pǝʇou ǝq oʇ ʇɐǝʌɐɔ ǝɥʇ sı ǝɹǝɥʇ 'ǝsɹnoɔ ɟo

˙ɯıɥ pǝʇɔǝlǝ ǝʍ ǝɹoɟǝq pıp ǝʍ ʇɐɥʇ sƃuıɥʇ pɐq ǝɥʇ ƃuıop ʇou sı ǝɥ ʇɐɥʇ uɐǝɯ ʇsnɯ ʇɐɥʇ 'ʇuǝɯɥsıund ǝuıʌıp lɐnʇuǝʌǝ ɹno oʇ ǝʌıʇnqıɹʇuoɔ uɐɥʇ ɹǝɥʇɐɹ 'ǝɹnʇnɟ ɹno oʇ ʇuɐʌǝlǝɹɹı sı ƃuıop sı ǝɥ ʇɐɥʍ ɟı os ˙ƃuolɐ ǝɯɐɔ ɐɯɐqo ǝɹoɟǝq pǝuǝddɐɥ ʇɐɥʇ sƃuıɥʇ ɥʇıʍ ǝlqnoɹʇ lɐnʇıɹıds oʇuı sǝʌlǝsɹno ʇoƃ ǝʍ 'ʇsod ɹǝılɹɐǝ ɹnoʎ oʇ ƃuıpɹoɔɔɐ ǝsnɐɔǝq ¿ʇɥƃıɹ 'pɐq ʇou sı ʇı ʇɐɥʇ suɐǝɯ ʇɐɥʇ os ˙ʇuɐʌǝlǝɹɹı sı ʍou ƃuıop sı ǝɥ ʇɐɥʍ˙˙˙os ˙ʇuɐʌǝlǝɹ ǝɯoɔǝq ʎluǝppns plnoʍ ǝɥ uǝɥʇ ʎɐʍ pǝuıɟǝpun ǝɯos uı ʇɹɐǝɥ ɟo ǝƃuɐɥɔ ɐ ǝʌɐɥ oʇ ǝɹǝʍ ǝɥ ɟı ʇɐɥʇ ʞuıɥʇ noʎ ʇnq 'ǝɔuǝʇsıxǝ pǝnuıʇuoɔ ɹno oʇ ʇuɐʌǝlǝɹɹı ʎlǝʇǝldɯoɔ sı ƃuıop sı ǝɥ ʇɐɥʍ ʇɐɥʇ ʞuıɥʇ noʎ ˙ɥʇıʍ uıƃǝq oʇ ǝlqnoɹʇ ǝuıʌıp uı sn ʇoƃ ʇɐɥʇ ɟɟnʇs ʇsɐd ǝɥʇ oʇ ʇuɐʌǝlǝɹ sı ʞuıɥʇ ʇ,uop noʎ ɥɔıɥʍ 'ƃuıop sı ǝɥ ʇɐɥʍ ɯoɹɟ ʇuǝɹǝɟɟıp ƃuıɥʇǝɯos ˙ǝ˙ı -- ʇɹǝʌɐ oʇ ƃuıɥʇǝɯos op llıʍ ɐɯɐqo ǝdoɥ noʎ ɥɔıɥʍ 'spǝǝpsıɯ pǝɯɐuun 'ʇsɐd ɹno ɹoɟ uoıʇnqıɹʇǝɹ ǝuıʌıp lɐıʇuǝʇod ƃuıɔɐɟ sı sn ǝɥʇ ʞuıɥʇ noʎ

:ʇɥƃnoɥʇ ɟo ǝuıl ɹnoʎ ƃuıʍolloɟ ɯ,ı ɟı ǝǝs ǝɯ ʇǝl os 'ʎɐʞo

Am I good or what?

:eek:
How... what... eh... what?!

That was kick arse!

Hee hee. You're silly. You gonna be around a while?
i can be silly! PURRRRRRRRRRRRRRR! this kitty is happy:).

i can be silly! PURRRRRRRRRRRRRRR! this kitty is happy:).

You're a good kitty, aren't you? *pets*

:eek:
How... what... eh... what?!

That was kick arse!

Yay! Another fangirl! :D

*Makes a Don Kanonji pose*

Why hasn't this thread been shut down?

For what?

I don't know what the topic is now, but I do know its not about Obama or his failed Presidency.

It was never about Obama's failed presidency.

PotUS... ROFLMFAO! I like that. PotUS. Hahahahahahahahahaha!!!:D

Actually, I can't take credit for "PotUS", but I'm glad it amused you.

:eek:
How... what... eh... what?!

That was kick arse!

Sore-wa subarasii desita yo! :D

Why hasn't this thread been shut down?

Because it's wonderfully gone off topic on the average, but still someone manages ever and anon to take it back for a short time.

I find it quite amusing.

Sore-wa subarasii desita yo! :D

Arigato! :D

Arigato! :D

You mean that I actually wrote something UNDERSTANDABLE?
My pocket dictionary must be far better than I thought! :D:D:D

Okay, so let me see if I'm following your line of thought:

You think the US is facing potential divine retribution for our past, unnamed misdeeds, which you hope Obama will do something to avert -- i.e. something different from what he is doing, which you don't think is relevant to the past stuff that got us in divine trouble to begin with. You think that what he is doing is completely irrelevant to our continued existence, but you think that if he were to have a change of heart in some undefined way then he would suddenly become relevant. So...what he is doing now is irrelevant. So that means that it is not bad, right? Because according to your earlier post, we got ourselves into spiritual trouble with things that happened before Obama came along. So if what he is doing is irrelevant to our future, rather than contributive to our eventual divine punishment, that must mean that he is not doing the bad things that we did before we elected him.

Of course, there is the caveat to be noted: You say above not that he would become relevant if he changed his ways, but only that then you would want him to be relevant. So...does that mean that nothing you are saying has any foundation in reality but is actually merely an expression of what you wish was the case? You don't like what Obama is/does, so you wish he were irrelevant. You don't like what the country has done lately, so you wish we would be facing divine punishment unless we come around to be more what you would like us to be? You would like Obama to do certain things, and if he did, you'd like him, but until he does, you're just going to pretend like he doesn't matter?

In other words, does it all boil down to Obama actually is relevant, but you don't like him so wish he wasn't relevant?

It is possible that our excesses will lead to divine retribution in the immediate future, and it's possible they won't. A couple of Obama's policies so far have substantially increased the risk of divine retribution (sponsoring genocide of third world babies by financially supporting abortion NGOs) and some of his policies are effectively neutral.

I have no personal like or dislike for Obama. Since he is my President, I will judge his Presidency by his choices in the presidency and not before. The time for considering his choices before the presidency would have been the general election season, which people did not take as seriously as they should have.

So I'm hoping either that all of America will not be punished for the actions of a few; or that Obama will come to a revelation which will cause him to radically change course and bring one last blessing to our nation before the end times.

It is possible that our excesses will lead to divine retribution in the immediate future, and it's possible they won't. A couple of Obama's policies so far have substantially increased the risk of divine retribution (sponsoring genocide of third world babies by financially supporting abortion NGOs) and some of his policies are effectively neutral.

I have no personal like or dislike for Obama. Since he is my President, I will judge his Presidency by his choices in the presidency and not before. The time for considering his choices before the presidency would have been the general election season, which people did not take as seriously as they should have.

So I'm hoping either that all of America will not be punished for the actions of a few; or that Obama will come to a revelation which will cause him to radically change course and bring one last blessing to our nation before the end times.

Yeah, the end is nigh!

No, not like all those other times people have said it. For real this time!

It is possible that our excesses will lead to divine retribution in the immediate future, and it's possible they won't. A couple of Obama's policies so far have substantially increased the risk of divine retribution (sponsoring genocide of third world babies by financially supporting abortion NGOs) and some of his policies are effectively neutral.

I have no personal like or dislike for Obama. Since he is my President, I will judge his Presidency by his choices in the presidency and not before. The time for considering his choices before the presidency would have been the general election season, which people did not take as seriously as they should have.

So I'm hoping either that all of America will not be punished for the actions of a few; or that Obama will come to a revelation which will cause him to radically change course and bring one last blessing to our nation before the end times.
So, I was right then. You're only involving him in this divine retribution thing because he's not doing precisely what you want him to. So...displeasing you invites the wrath of god...?

It is possible that our excesses will lead to divine retribution in the immediate future, and it's possible they won't. A couple of Obama's policies so far have substantially increased the risk of divine retribution (sponsoring genocide of third world babies by financially supporting abortion NGOs) and some of his policies are effectively neutral.

I have no personal like or dislike for Obama. Since he is my President, I will judge his Presidency by his choices in the presidency and not before. The time for considering his choices before the presidency would have been the general election season, which people did not take as seriously as they should have.

So I'm hoping either that all of America will not be punished for the actions of a few; or that Obama will come to a revelation which will cause him to radically change course and bring one last blessing to our nation before the end times.

I am God, and I say that post is bull.

So, I was right then. You're only involving him in this divine retribution thing because he's not doing precisely what you want him to. So...displeasing you invites the wrath of god...?

What displeases me doesn't matter much at all, except inasmuch as I study what God says not to do (i.e. what displeases God) and I see people in our country doing it anyway, and this displeases me because I know it's making God unhappy. And I have a lot of friends who are within the disaster radius of cities that might suffer for these choices.

What displeases me doesn't matter much at all, except inasmuch as I study what God says not to do (i.e. what displeases God) and I see people in our country doing it anyway, and this displeases me because I know it's making God unhappy. And I have a lot of friends who are within the disaster radius of cities that might suffer for these choices.

No, it isn't. I should know, for I am God.

What displeases me doesn't matter much at all, except inasmuch as I study what God says not to do (i.e. what displeases God) and I see people in our country doing it anyway, and this displeases me because I know it's making God unhappy. And I have a lot of friends who are within the disaster radius of cities that might suffer for these choices.
But according to you, Obama has nothing to do with this, because you said what he is doing is irrelevant to the country's continued existence. Are you changing your story now and saying that in fact he is inking us onto god's shitlist even worse?

Or are you saying that if Obama changed his policies to conform to your religious beliefs, that would contribute to us not getting our asses kicked by your god? In which case, Obama would actually not be irrelevant, as you had said, but in fact he would have the power to save us all. In which case...he's the Messiah...?

You're just pussyfooting around your desire to say that Obama is going to bring on the destruction of the US and have us all turned to salt because he doesn't follow the rule you prefer. That refusal to just come out and say what you mean is what is keeping you stuck in this self-contradictory circle.

Sore-wa subarasii desita yo! :D

So ka?:tongue:

A couple of Obama's policies so far have substantially increased the risk of divine retribution (sponsoring genocide of third world babies by financially supporting abortion NGOs)

I call BS.

What displeases me doesn't matter much at all, except inasmuch as I study what God says not to do (i.e. what displeases God) and I see people in our country doing it anyway, and this displeases me because I know it's making God unhappy. And I have a lot of friends who are within the disaster radius of cities that might suffer for these choices.

So where do I find the Divine-Retribution-O-meter? Is it in the Vatican somewhere? Is it in Times Square, or outside Wall St?

Have you seen it? Do you know how high it has to get until a giant foot descends from the sky and crushes Washington DC?

You seem to be assuming an awful lot. Least of all intimate knowledge of God's emotional state.

this thread must have been started by a republican or a third party/independent voter. no obamamaniac would call him a failure. failure is a little subjective so some would say yes, some no and others 2 soon 2 tell. MEOW!

MEOW!

Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr rrr

What displeases me doesn't matter much at all, except inasmuch as I study what God says not to do (i.e. what displeases God) and I see people in our country doing it anyway, and this displeases me because I know it's making God unhappy. And I have a lot of friends who are within the disaster radius of cities that might suffer for these choices.

In the light of such revelations, someone should call Obama and tell him that the SDI projects should be a bit revised and better funded.

So where do I find the Divine-Retribution-O-meter? Is it in the Vatican somewhere? Is it in Times Square, or outside Wall St?

Have you seen it? Do you know how high it has to get until a giant foot descends from the sky and crushes Washington DC?

You seem to be assuming an awful lot. Least of all intimate knowledge of God's emotional state.
I think it's under the Jumbotron in Times Square, just under the bottom edge and little off to one side, not sure which side. It's glass-fronted box, about 3 x 5 inches, with a little dial inside it, with a glass front. It's either the Divine-Retribution-O-meter or something of Con-Ed's. Not sure.

I think it's under the Jumbotron in Times Square, just under the bottom edge and little off to one side, not sure which side. It's glass-fronted box, about 3 x 5 inches, with a little dial inside it, with a glass front. It's either the Divine-Retribution-O-meter or something of Con-Ed's. Not sure.

It's in My living room. It's slowly moving back to "no divine retribution" after Bush left office and I find Myself feeling a bit more merciful towards America.

It's in My living room. It's slowly moving back to "no divine retribution" after Bush left office and I find Myself feeling a bit more merciful towards America.

Does it go in the other direction too?

If we're good enough, do we get a free cake or a jigsaw puzzle or something?

It is possible that our excesses will lead to divine retribution in the immediate future, and it's possible they won't. A couple of Obama's policies so far have substantially increased the risk of divine retribution (sponsoring genocide of third world babies by financially supporting abortion NGOs) and some of his policies are effectively neutral.

I have no personal like or dislike for Obama. Since he is my President, I will judge his Presidency by his choices in the presidency and not before. The time for considering his choices before the presidency would have been the general election season, which people did not take as seriously as they should have.

So I'm hoping either that all of America will not be punished for the actions of a few; or that Obama will come to a revelation which will cause him to radically change course and bring one last blessing to our nation before the end times.
where in the bible does it warn against divine retribution for abortions?

where in the bible does it warn against divine retribution for abortions?

It doesn't, not that the Bible is any better than My word.

Does it go in the other direction too?

If we're good enough, do we get a free cake or a jigsaw puzzle or something?

Yes. Why do you think I sent Gilbert & Sullivan? The Beatles? Animé?

It doesn't, not that the Bible is any better than My word.
oh good. well keep an eye on that thing. id hate to fall back into the imminent fireball zone again.

I call BS.

∞'d (as in seconded, thirded, etc.)

oh good. well keep an eye on that thing. id hate to fall back into the imminent fireball zone again.

*Sigh*

People with this assumption that for something to happen it has to be showy. The economical issues you are facing right now were the first signs of My retribution.

∞'d (as in seconded, thirded, etc.)

That's funny, My house is at that number.

where in the bible does it warn against divine retribution for abortions?

God specifically instructed Israel to utterly obliterate countries which worshipped the god Mollech by sacrificing their first born children in fire. If that's not morally equivalent to abortion, I don't know what is.

God specifically instructed Israel to utterly obliterate countries which worshipped the god Mollech by sacrificing their first born children in fire. If that's not morally equivalent to abortion, I don't know what is.

You don't know what is closer to abortion than that? Really? How about things that are closer to abortion than, you know, burning a newborn infant alive?

You know, just a hint.

God specifically instructed Israel to utterly obliterate countries which worshipped the god Mollech by sacrificing their first born children in fire. If that's not morally equivalent to abortion, I don't know what is.

No, I didn't.

And no, it isn't.

In eight posts you can judge me over the internet? What other super powers do you have?

He is a master of time and space.

Oddly enough, the "gay lifestyle" actually very rarely involves raping angels. Go figure!

Been to San Fransisco lately?

Ba-ziiiiing!

....what the fuck just happened?

You've been EVANGELIZE'D

*Sigh*

People with this assumption that for something to happen it has to be showy. The economical issues you are facing right now were the first signs of My retribution.

No taste for theatricality? You. Are. Not. My. God. ..

No taste for theatricality? You. Are. Not. My. God. ..

Good, I was hoping at least SOME people would stop treating Me as if I were their pokémon.

God specifically instructed Israel to utterly obliterate countries which worshipped the god Mollech by sacrificing their first born children in fire. If that's not morally equivalent to abortion, I don't know what is.
Well, that explains a lot about the crappy abortion related arguments I've seen you post. You don't actually know what abortion is.

Well, that explains a lot about the crappy abortion related arguments I've seen you post. You don't actually know what abortion is.

What are you talking about?

Abortion is taking a newborn and putting in a fire to Moloch. The only difference is that Planned Parenthood phased out propane grills in favor of microwaves in 1989.

And that's still morally equivalent.

God specifically instructed Israel to utterly obliterate countries which worshipped the god Mollech by sacrificing their first born children in fire. If that's not morally equivalent to abortion, I don't know what is.

Moloch wasn't a god. Moloch was the name of the ritual.* Whether or not the sacrifice was even worship is debatable. It certainly wasn't common, and has been suggested to be political in nature, not religious.

*Which was directed towards a number of different gods, almost certainly including YHVH.

where in the bible does it warn against divine retribution for abortions?

Exodus 21:22!

Exodus 21:22!

I love how the husband gets to determine the fine...

"Your honor, that dude over there took a swing at that dude, and knocked him into my pregnant wife...the baby is okay, but I want $52,000."

"Okay, so ordered."

What are you talking about?

Abortion is taking a newborn and putting in a fire to Moloch. The only difference is that Planned Parenthood phased out propane grills in favor of microwaves in 1989.

And that's still morally equivalent.
Like I said in another context, you can't feed the fires of Moloch with aborted embryos. you need live newborns. So, abortion is actually the moral opposite of that, not the equivalent. You have to be anti-choice to serve Moloch.

My local talk radio dude says "yes".....

evidence

- economy is bad
- people are loosing jobs
- soldiers are dying in Iraq
- women can now sue if they aren't paid fairly
- abortion is legal
- the government is spending money it doesn't have

Discuss.

Dick Cheney's prophecy has come true! Everyone look like a quail, that way Cheney will a shoot a lawyer instead of you

Like I said in another context, you can't feed the fires of Moloch with aborted embryos. you need live newborns. So, abortion is actually the moral opposite of that, not the equivalent. You have to be anti-choice to serve Moloch.

Nuh-uh. Wuldani said they were morally equivalent. And Wuldani talks to God.

All you've got on your side is the English language.

Nuh-uh. Wuldani said they were morally equivalent. And Wuldani talks to God.

All you've got on your side is the English language.
Wuldani never said which god. Why should we assume that his god knows jackshit about the Moloch? All he did was refer to the Bible, but his god could read the Bible just as well as anyone else could, and with just as little comprehension as most people. Hell, I could rig up a tiny transceiver in his fillings while he was knocked out with gas and then transmit my voice reading the Bible directly into his head, and call myself god while I did it. It proves nothing. *dismisses Wuldani*

Wuldani never said which god. Why should we assume that his god knows jackshit about the Moloch? All he did was refer to the Bible, but his god could read the Bible just as well as anyone else could, and with just as little comprehension as most people. Hell, I could rig up a tiny transceiver in his fillings while he was knocked out with gas and then transmit my voice reading the Bible directly into his head, and call myself god while I did it. It proves nothing. *dismisses Wuldani*

Kent, stop playing with yourself.

Kent, stop playing with yourself.

hello? Hello Jesus?

Nuh-uh. Wuldani said they were morally equivalent. And Wuldani talks to God.

All you've got on your side is the English language.

Nope, he doesn't talk to Me. Well, only in this forum, and I'm annoyed everytime.

God specifically instructed Israel to utterly obliterate countries which worshipped the god Mollech by sacrificing their first born children in fire. If that's not morally equivalent to abortion, I don't know what is.

Verily, I tell thee, thou doest not know what is.

By the way, I hereby announce unto ye all the coming of God into this thread. He is Heikoku 2.

(I'm God in that other thread about Pokémons and theology).

Dick Cheney's prophecy has come true! Everyone look like a quail, that way Cheney will a shoot a lawyer instead of you

Good one.

No, I didn't.

By the way, my Lord, I would like to point out that, even if You did, he is not the entity known as "Israel". He's the entity known as "Wuldani".

By the way, my Lord, I would like to point out that, even if You did, he is not the entity known as "Israel". He's the entity known as "Wuldani".

Also a very good point, my follower.

Here is your reward.

*Puts a small paper star on Risottia's forehead*

Also a very good point, my follower.

Here is your reward.

*Puts a small paper star on Risottia's forehead*

Yay! I sing praises unto Thee! :hail:

That's funny, My house is at that number.

Your house number is ∞?

Yes. Why do you think I sent Gilbert & Sullivan? The Beatles? Animé?

Hentai is a reward from heaven? I always knew you were a strange one...... No stranger than Zeus though, I suppose.

Hentai is a reward from heaven? I always knew you were a strange one...... No stranger than Zeus though, I suppose.

Oh, don't even get me started on him. Terrible roommate. The orgies were nice, though.

Don't click if you are prone to seizures or if you have a brain because it might explode.

My brain exploded... that guy SUCKS!

Verily, I tell thee, thou doest not know what is.


At the risk of turning this into an abortion thread - there are only a few months separating aborted babies from babies killed at birth. Prematurely born babies are routinely saved by medical intervention despite the fact that they are born younger than the age at which abortions are performed. And the actual abortion procedure which is used to kill the child is actually as painful, if not more painful, than being sacrificed in a fire.

Hence, they are morally equivalent. Just saying it's not so - doesn't make it not so.

if Obama's goal was "change," and so much of what he has been doing is "same old, same old" - deficit spending, appointing "old boy network" politicians, making promises that cannot be fulfilled, then yeah, I'd say he's failed. Quite miserably, in fact.

You people can't really mean this? can you? Its been a little over a month. Politics moves slow and change is going to take awhile. It doesn't help that the republicans still have the ability to filibuster in the senate either.

Oh, don't even get me started on him. Terrible roommate. The orgies were nice, though.

What? You were Zeus's wingman?:eek2:

At the risk of turning this into an abortion thread - there are only a few months separating aborted babies from babies killed at birth. Prematurely born babies are routinely saved by medical intervention despite the fact that they are born younger than the age at which abortions are performed. And the actual abortion procedure which is used to kill the child is actually as painful, if not more painful, than being sacrificed in a fire.

Hence, they are morally equivalent. Just saying it's not so - doesn't make it not so.

Don't know where you are living, but most Western countries will not perform an abortion if the pregnacy is that late term.

At the stage that termination is available as an option the foetus is not developed enough to survive outside the womb even with full medical intervention.

Not only that, but I would like to know where you got your data on the pain levels involved and how you can say that the procedure is more painful that being roasted alive in a fire. I can only assume that you have never been in contact with any kind of heat injury.

To others in this thread: please let me know if there is a more appropriate thread for this.

Prematurely born babies are routinely saved by medical intervention despite the fact that they are born younger than the age at which abortions are performed.

This is completely false. The rare abortions performed at such a late stage are those that are medically necessary - you know, for reasons like "the fetus is dying and it's going to take you with it if we don't get it out NOW." The fact that you find saving people's lives morally equivalent to infanticide is...well, let's just say "special."

Hence, they are morally equivalent. Just saying it's not so - doesn't make it not so.

I, God, say it's not so. Trust Me, it MAKES it not so. That YOU want to let women with serious health concerns die so that a blob of cells lives for another 48 hours speaks volumes of you, though.

I am God. It's not your competence to pass judgment, it's Mine. It's not your decision to make abortions or not, it's the women's, thanks to me giving them - and you, though in your case I begin to regret it - free will. It's not your call to make to shape the laws of the land to what you THINK is My will, it's the voter's decision, helped along by the Constitution and common sense, that does NOT include letting a woman die because of a rotten blob of cells within her womb, like you want. My will is not yours to know, anyways, and I sincerely doubt one day it will be.

You are wrong. If you don't like it, if you want to take this to a higher authority, there isn't one. It stops with ME.

This is completely false. The rare abortions performed at such a late stage are those that are medically necessary - you know, for reasons like "the fetus is dying and it's going to take you with it if we don't get it out NOW." The fact that you find saving people's lives morally equivalent to infanticide is...well, let's just say "special."

This statement is simply not true. I have seen pictures of aborted babies who are much older than prematurely born babies - from abortions performed by Western doctors - and in quantities which suggest that these incidences are not so rare, after all. This is a good example of doublespeak from a liberal who is afraid the dark side of the beliefs they hold sacred will be exposed.

As for the pain issue: two of the most common types of abortion involve vacuuming out the body parts one by one, or alternatively flooding the womb with a solution of potassium chloride which is so strong that it burns the woman as well as the baby, though not fatally in the case of the adult. That is just as painful as death by fire if not more.

It's important to note I'm not judging anyone who has already had an abortion when I make these shocking revelations, but rather trying to prevent more people from being deceived by the media, doctors, and the underinformed public. Most women who have these procedures are tricked/forced into them or feel they have no choice.

At the risk of turning this into an abortion thread - there are only a few months separating aborted babies from babies killed at birth. Prematurely born babies are routinely saved by medical intervention despite the fact that they are born younger than the age at which abortions are performed. And the actual abortion procedure which is used to kill the child is actually as painful, if not more painful, than being sacrificed in a fire.

Hence, they are morally equivalent. Just saying it's not so - doesn't make it not so.

1.You claim that there are only a few months separating etc. I tell you yea. Also, there are only a few months separating a walking human being from a putrescent human corpse, if he dies. So? They're still two perfectly different things.
2.Either you don't know what is the pregnancy-stage limit for non-medical abortion (this means, you don't know even the basics of what you're talking about), or you are lying outright.
3.There is no such thing as "the actual abortion procedure". There are at the very least three different procedures. The two surgical ones include general or local anesthesia. And since the foetus is directly linked to the mother host-body, it goes into anesthesia too.
The other procedure is the Ru486: if your point about pain is not just instrumental, you'd like drug-induced abortion as it is painless. But I doubt that your point about pain isn't instrumental, since you happen to have proven that all you "know" about abortion is what it's written on the leaflets of your local parish.

I assume, by the way, that you, when you were foetus, have been subjected to an abortion, and then you have been exposed to third-degree burnings. If not, your point about "abortion is more painful than being burned alive!", is just a DISGUSTING and IMMORAL statement. Because it's disgusting and immoral to LIE about pain and death for political ends.

This statement is simply not true. I have seen pictures of aborted babies who are much older than prematurely born babies - from abortions performed by Western doctors - and in quantities which suggest that these incidences are not so rare, after all. This is a good example of doublespeak from a liberal who is afraid the dark side of the beliefs they hold sacred will be exposed.


You've saying "I've seen the pics", but you aren't able to give numerical data and source. Hence, you're talking BS, again.

By the way, past-the-limits abortions aren't incidents. They're necessary to save the mother, and are ordered for by competent doctors - which you clearly aren't.


As for the pain issue: two of the most common types of abortion involve vacuuming out the body parts one by one, or alternatively flooding the womb with a solution of potassium chloride which is so strong that it burns the woman as well as the baby, though not fatally in the case of the adult. That is just as painful as death by fire if not more.

Yea. Flooding a womb with potassium chloride. Yea right. False, false again.

wiki: potassium chloride.
KCl is used to terminate the life of the unborn fetus in induced abortion procedures by lethal injection to the heart, which induces cardiac arrest.[2]

This isn't "flooding a womb". By the way, it's the first time I hear of this procedure. I've always heard just of vacuuming or crushing.



Most women who have these procedures are tricked/forced into them or feel they have no choice.
They usually feel they have no choice. They cannot be tricked or forced into abortion now that abortion is legal.
And many of them feel they have no choice BECAUSE STUPID CRUEL CONSERVATIVES like you deny social care, welfare and help for young mothers and poor families.

(edit: to all the sensible conservatives on this forum: I'm not saying that conservatives are necessarily stupid and cruel: I'm saying that this guy is a "conservative" - as proven by his previous statement about "liberals" - and that he's being stupid and cruel).

You've saying "I've seen the pics", but you aren't able to give numerical data and source. Hence, you're talking BS, again.

It's a documentary. On a video. On VHS. Which I saw ten years ago, and don't own. How could I possibly post the source for that?


By the way, past-the-limits abortions aren't incidents. They're necessary to save the mother, and are ordered for by competent doctors - which you clearly aren't.

I very much doubt this statement. Most abortions are not necessary to save the life of the mother. I would estimate over 90% are performed becase of unwanted pregnancies.


Yea. Flooding a womb with potassium chloride. Yea right. False, false again.


Not false. You are either underinformed or a liar. Look up induction abortion for more data.

americanpregnancy.org - third trimester abortions - surgical procedure where salt water, urea, or potassium chloride is injected into the amniotic sac.

It does say it is one of the rarer procedures.


wiki: potassium chloride.
KCl is used to terminate the life of the unborn fetus in induced abortion procedures by lethal injection to the heart, which induces cardiac arrest.[2]

This isn't "flooding a womb". By the way, it's the first time I hear of this procedure. I've always heard just of vacuuming or crushing.


Selectively picking the least painful death from KCl and posting it as the only valid procedure - intellectually dishonest. I've never heard of crushing, but it sounds despicable.




They usually feel they have no choice. They cannot be tricked or forced into abortion now that abortion is legal.
And many of them feel they have no choice BECAUSE STUPID CRUEL CONSERVATIVES like you deny social care, welfare and help for young mothers and poor mothers.

This is just venting on your part. If you look at my posting history, you would find that I am very much in support of financial assistance for new mothers in all types of situations, as long as it prevents an abortion.
I cannot and will never support the legalization of murder by dehumanizing the victim into a blob of cells, and my hope is that some people reading this will realize that too.

I very much doubt this statement. Most abortions are not necessary to save the life of the mother. I would estimate over 90% are performed becase of unwanted pregnancies.


See, I took his statement as applying to the subset of abortions that are "past the limit". Could be wrong, though.

It's a documentary. On a video. On VHS. Which I saw ten years ago, and don't own. How could I possibly post the source for that?
Then you shouldn't quote it.



I very much doubt this statement. Most abortions are not necessary to save the life of the mother. I would estimate over 90% are performed becase of unwanted pregnancies.

Abortions because of unwanted pregnancies are performed at a stage when the foetus isn't able of independent life (that is the first 12 weeks of pregnancy in most countries!).
Abortions because of medical issues are a different thing.



americanpregnancy.org - third trimester abortions - surgical procedure where salt water, urea, or potassium chloride is injected into the amniotic sac.

Are you aware that "third trimester" means 9 months? That is a different thing from abortions for unwanted pregiancies (which, again, are performed within 12 weeks).
These are not abortions: they're stillbirths induced to remove the foetus and save the mother from certain death.

Btw, salt water (sodium chloride), I can understand. Potassium chloride, while dangerous, maybe. Urea, meh: have you ever smelled what the amnios reeks like?


Selectively picking the least painful death from KCl and posting it as the only valid procedure - intellectually dishonest. I've never heard of crushing, but it sounds despicable.

The wiki gives just that one - as you can see, I've quoted the source.

Btw, "flooding the womb" is quite different from injecting the amniotic sac.

Why should be crushing more despicable than anything else? It actually leads to death of anything being crushed quite quickly - almost immediately, to be accurate.



This is just venting on your part. If you look at my posting history, you would find that I am very much in support of financial assistance...Sorry then. I generalised your position on this matter with the average position of most conservatives, who are anti-abortion and anti-welfare.

Yes i agree he is a bad President he is a faliure!!!

Not false. You are either underinformed or a liar. Look up induction abortion for more data.


Done: wiki: "induction abortion" (error) (redirecting to "induced abortion" within "abortion"


Oohh... look. I report here also an excerpt of the section previous to "induced abortion" (which is quite short and data-less). I'll put the wiki in quotes.



Most miscarriages occur very early in pregnancy. Between 10% and 50% of pregnancies end in clinically apparent miscarriage, depending upon the age and health of the pregnant woman.[2] In most cases, they occur so early in the pregnancy that the woman is not even aware that she was pregnant. One study testing hormones for ovulation and pregnancy found that 61.9% of conceptuses were lost prior to 12 weeks, and 91.7% of these losses occurred subclinically, without the knowledge of the woman.[3]

Mh. 61% of the foetuses are discarded within the 12 weeks. Interesting data, neh=


The risk of spontaneous abortion decreases sharply after the 10th week from the last menstrual period (LMP),[4][5] with a loss rate between 8.5 weeks LMP and birth of about two percent; pregnancy loss is “virtually complete by the end of the embryonic period."[6]

This risk of spontaneous abortion is greater in those with a known history of several spontaneous abortions or an induced abortion, those with systemic diseases, and those over the age 35. Other causes can be infection (of either the woman or fetus), immune response, or serious systemic disease. A spontaneous abortion can also be caused by accidental trauma; intentional trauma or stress to cause miscarriage is considered induced abortion or feticide.[7]

Induced abortion

A pregnancy can be intentionally aborted in many ways. The manner selected depends chiefly upon the gestational age of the embryo or fetus, in addition to the legality, regional availability, and doctor-patient preference for specific procedures. Reasons for procuring induced abortions are typically characterized as either therapeutic or elective. An abortion is medically referred to as therapeutic when it is performed to:

save the life of the pregnant woman;[8]
preserve the woman's physical or mental health;[8]
terminate pregnancy that would result in a child born with a congenital disorder that would be fatal or associated with significant morbidity;[8] or
selectively reduce the number of fetuses to lessen health risks associated with multiple pregnancy.[8]


So what?

Yes, I agree. He is a bad President. He is a failure!!!

Fixed.:rolleyes:

It's a documentary. On a video. On VHS. Which I saw ten years ago, and don't own. How could I possibly post the source for that?


Was this, just possibly, a propoganda film by a pro life group, most of whom misrepresent any data they have in an attempt to win more support through shock tactics?

I very much doubt this statement. Most abortions are not necessary to save the life of the mother. I would estimate over 90% are performed becase of unwanted pregnancies.

So you are in favour of abandoning babies because the mother cannot physically, emotionally or finacially take care of these children? and the point made was that late term abortions which you have focused on are performed to save a mothers life.



Not false. You are either underinformed or a liar. Look up induction abortion for more data.

americanpregnancy.org - third trimester abortions - surgical procedure where salt water, urea, or potassium chloride is injected into the amniotic sac.

It does say it is one of the rarer procedures.

Is your source a pro life website? Unless you can quote a proper medical source - not just a website (try using your library) I'm afraid I'm going to take this one with a large helping of salt, since for 3rd trimester the baby is ready to be born and just needs to grow, in cases where it is removed the baby would already be dead and the woman needs to be induced (mother goes through labour) or it is removed by cesarian section. I can't imagine any woman waiting until the 3rd trimester to decide she doesn't want the baby and no responsible doctor would perform the operation at this stage.



Selectively picking the least painful death from KCl and posting it as the only valid procedure - intellectually dishonest. I've never heard of crushing, but it sounds despicable.

Selectively picking the most disturbing and dubious method to scare people is, in my opinion, disgusting - very few women who consider abortion do so because they have no respect for human life, most are in situations where they cannont deal with a child or the child was conceived in such a way (ie rape) that they go through huge emotional trauma at realising that their ordeal is not yet over. These women need support and guidance to find the right choice for them not scaremongering tactics where they are damed as a murderer if they have the abortion or a slut if they don't (pro lifers tend, in my experience, to be very narrow minded about unwed mothers)


This is just venting on your part. If you look at my posting history, you would find that I am very much in support of financial assistance for new mothers in all types of situations, as long as it prevents an abortion.
I cannot and will never support the legalization of murder by dehumanizing the victim into a blob of cells, and my hope is that some people reading this will realize that too.


So you are in favour of restricting womans rights and returning us to an era where men own women and can control them?

If you take away a woman's right to control her own body you will find more women dying in childbirth after their 5th, 6th, 7th child or being raped by their spouses who want a child when they don't.

Very few women are pushed into having an abortion, most who are it is either their partner or their parents who do so, depending on the cirucumstances, a lot more women are forced to go through with an unwanted pregnacy even if it is the result of rape because they are denied firstly the morning after pill and then the option of abortion as they do not have insurance to cover the procedure. This choice is taken away from them by people who think that the woman is less important than the potential of a child (in the case of the morning after pill) and who ignore the emotional trauma such a pregnacy will cause the mother.

As a final point, what should a woman tell her kid that she is forced to have and cannot deal with if she gives it up to adoption if that kid tracks her down?

I'm assuming that you would support such a woman in her choice to give up her baby in this situation, or are you gonna force her to care for the child she had no control over conceiving?

I would also be interested in knowing your views on contraception.

You've saying "I've seen the pics", but you aren't able to give numerical data and source. Hence, you're talking BS, again.

By the way, past-the-limits abortions aren't incidents. They're necessary to save the mother, and are ordered for by competent doctors - which you clearly aren't.


Yea. Flooding a womb with potassium chloride. Yea right. False, false again.

wiki: potassium chloride.
KCl is used to terminate the life of the unborn fetus in induced abortion procedures by lethal injection to the heart, which induces cardiac arrest.[2]

This isn't "flooding a womb". By the way, it's the first time I hear of this procedure. I've always heard just of vacuuming or crushing.




They usually feel they have no choice. They cannot be tricked or forced into abortion now that abortion is legal.
And many of them feel they have no choice BECAUSE STUPID CRUEL CONSERVATIVES like you deny social care, welfare and help for young mothers and poor families.

(edit: to all the sensible conservatives on this forum: I'm not saying that conservatives are necessarily stupid and cruel: I'm saying that this guy is a "conservative" - as proven by his previous statement about "liberals" - and that he's being stupid and cruel).
are you liberal? liberals probably like obama cause he's liberal. he's done ok as president to date, i think. so,i'm still willing to wait and see if he contiues to do ok or not. even though it was a month yesterday since he became president, in regards to presidency, a month is almost no time. still no bad change yet.

Fixed.:rolleyes:
are you the grammar police?

Was this, just possibly, a propoganda film by a pro life group, most of whom misrepresent any data they have in an attempt to win more support through shock tactics?



So you are in favour of abandoning babies because the mother cannot physically, emotionally or finacially take care of these children? and the point made was that late term abortions which you have focused on are performed to save a mothers life.





Is your source a pro life website? Unless you can quote a proper medical source - not just a website (try using your library) I'm afraid I'm going to take this one with a large helping of salt, since for 3rd trimester the baby is ready to be born and just needs to grow, in cases where it is removed the baby would already be dead and the woman needs to be induced (mother goes through labour) or it is removed by cesarian section. I can't imagine any woman waiting until the 3rd trimester to decide she doesn't want the baby and no responsible doctor would perform the operation at this stage.





Selectively picking the most disturbing and dubious method to scare people is, in my opinion, disgusting - very few women who consider abortion do so because they have no respect for human life, most are in situations where they cannont deal with a child or the child was conceived in such a way (ie rape) that they go through huge emotional trauma at realising that their ordeal is not yet over. These women need support and guidance to find the right choice for them not scaremongering tactics where they are damed as a murderer if they have the abortion or a slut if they don't (pro lifers tend, in my experience, to be very narrow minded about unwed mothers)





So you are in favour of restricting womans rights and returning us to an era where men own women and can control them?

If you take away a woman's right to control her own body you will find more women dying in childbirth after their 5th, 6th, 7th child or being raped by their spouses who want a child when they don't.

Very few women are pushed into having an abortion, most who are it is either their partner or their parents who do so, depending on the cirucumstances, a lot more women are forced to go through with an unwanted pregnacy even if it is the result of rape because they are denied firstly the morning after pill and then the option of abortion as they do not have insurance to cover the procedure. This choice is taken away from them by people who think that the woman is less important than the potential of a child (in the case of the morning after pill) and who ignore the emotional trauma such a pregnacy will cause the mother.

As a final point, what should a woman tell her kid that she is forced to have and cannot deal with if she gives it up to adoption if that kid tracks her down?

I'm assuming that you would support such a woman in her choice to give up her baby in this situation, or are you gonna force her to care for the child she had no control over conceiving?

I would also be interested in knowing your views on contraception.
i met a woman who was raped and kept the little boy she had as a result. a friend of my mother's who also met the woman said so and i think i saw the little boy. he was about five then if i remember right. my mother says a child can make up for the rape because some women think children are a good thing. you are allowed to think what you like, though.

My local talk radio dude says "yes".....

evidence

- economy is bad
- people are loosing jobs
- soldiers are dying in Iraq
- women can now sue if they aren't paid fairly
- abortion is legal
- the government is spending money it doesn't have

Discuss.
Obama is not a fail because...

1.) McCain was for abortion too, and it's legit in very few cases. So nothing wouldv'e changed
2.) You can't fix a country in a week
3.) We've gotta have a TIMETABLE so we don't pull out too quickly and destroyed what we've worked for in trying to help Iraq. AND FINALLY...
4.) What's wrong with women being able to sue for equal pay?

are you the grammar police?

He's actually being a good bud and correcting your ghastly grammar. Nothing bad about that. :wink:

This statement is simply not true. I have seen pictures of aborted babies who are much older than prematurely born babies - from abortions performed by Western doctors - and in quantities which suggest that these incidences are not so rare, after all.

Sorry, if those pictures were represented to you as being the result of voluntary abortions, then whoever showed them to you was lying. There are no voluntary abortions after the point of viability. They're not even legally permitted in most countries, and where they are legally permitted, I have seen ZERO documented cases of any being performed. You are, quite frankly, entirely full of crap.

are you the grammar police?

No. I'm one of the Grammar Nazis. The Grammar Fascist, given my nationality.

A chi la grammatica? A NOI!

;)

Seriously now: I think that poor grammar coming from native English speakers is not very polite towards us non-native speakers. It makes us more difficult to understand what people say here. I try to write a decent English, although I've never received formal teaching - I learnt English on computer manuals, Tolkien, Shakespeare and Douglas Adams.

are you liberal?

Not exactly. Probabily the best description of my political ideas is "eurocommunist" (quod wiki). It's -let's say- on the left of social democracy.

He's actually being a good bud and correcting your ghastly grammar. Nothing bad about that. :wink:

Thank you, milady. :fluffle:

Yes i agree he is a bad President he is a faliure!!!

I think Obama is a pretty cool guy, eh falis presdiences and doesnt afraid of anything

are you the grammar police?

Shit! She's blown our cover! Abort! Abort!

i met a woman who was raped and kept the little boy she had as a result. a friend of my mother's who also met the woman said so and i think i saw the little boy. he was about five then if i remember right. my mother says a child can make up for the rape because some women think children are a good thing. you are allowed to think what you like, though.

It's wonderful that she was able to turn something bad into something that did end with some good. I really do applaud that, but we can't expect that of everyone.

i met a woman who was raped and kept the little boy she had as a result. a friend of my mother's who also met the woman said so and i think i saw the little boy. he was about five then if i remember right. my mother says a child can make up for the rape because some women think children are a good thing. you are allowed to think what you like, though.

And what happen if the woman is too poor to provide for the child or the community condems her not being married? If a woman is able to keep and raise a child from such a situation then she is lucky to make something positive out of such a tragic experience, however a lot of women find it hard to do and trying to take away their choice makes it more likely that they will resent the child.

I would like to know how your mother came to this conclusion, I think unless you are a trained counsellor or have been in the situation yourself then it is not a judgement you are qualified to make.