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My local talk radio dude says "yes".....

evidence

- economy is bad
- people are loosing jobs
- soldiers are dying in Iraq
- women can now sue if they aren't paid fairly
- abortion is legal
- the government is spending money it doesn't have

Discuss.

Clearly Barack Obama's attempts to bend reality to his will have not succeeded. He has failed. *nod*

That's not change!

My local talk radio dude says "yes".....

evidence

- economy is bad
- people are loosing jobs
- soldiers are dying in Iraq
- women can now sue if they aren't paid fairly
- abortion is legal
- the government is spending money it doesn't have

Discuss.
Well, in that case Bush Jr. is a bad president -- he left that shit for Obama to clean up.

I'm mailing you a large mallet. Take it to the radio station and smack that talk radio guy over his thick head with it until he grows the hell up. That should clear up the issue. :D


(Note: I have serious issues with this whole thing of rightwingers bitching like 4 year olds asking "are we there yet?" over and over.)

I have serious issues with this whole thing of rightwingers bitching like 4 year olds asking "are we there yet?" over and over.

Good analogy, but can be improved:

"after getting themselves lost in the woods and making us go there to get them".

Local radio dude has sadly blocked my home and cell number.......I can't call him anymore. My emails go to spam and when I wrote him a letter he read it on air and then said he wiped his ass with it......

he hates me.

Also, in case you didn't know I'm a "fem-nazi socialist", it's shocking I didn't know this about myself.

Also, I got him to admit on air that he was a racist.

Fun times.

Impossible to tell, as his policies won't take effect until more time has passed than is in the average American's detailed memory.

Therefore, as the time for idle speculation is now, I say yes, because he has yet to introduce any dinosaurs into the wild.

Well, I will now go on a killing rampage, and my first victims will be those radio DJs.

My local talk radio dude says "yes".....

evidence
Ah, I guess I should "discuss" and all.

- economy is bad
- people are loosing jobs
Started under Bush, so it's W's fault. These two are just "Obama hasn't fixed YET!!! WAAAAAHHHH!!!" Use the mallet for these.

- soldiers are dying in Iraq
No comment on this. Just hit him really, really hard with that mallet, please, thanks.

- women can now sue if they aren't paid fairly
- abortion is legal
Women's rights are the last sign of the apocalypse, everyone knows that.

- the government is spending money it doesn't have
Find something on him that you haven't hit with that mallet yet, and hit him with it there, please, thanks. I'll mail you some salt to rub into his wounds, too.

Local radio dude has sadly blocked my home and cell number.......I can't call him anymore. My emails go to spam and when I wrote him a letter he read it on air and then said he wiped his ass with it......

he hates me.

Also, in case you didn't know I'm a "fem-nazi socialist", it's shocking I didn't know this about myself.

Also, I got him to admit on air that he was a racist.

Fun times.

can we listen to this guy online?

I'm just saying.

There's ways for other people to call...if only they could get the phone number.

I'm not insinuating anything by that, of course.

That's not change!

That's just more of the SAME!

Seriously though, everything on that list was either Bush's fault or not a bad thing at all--except for the spending non-existent money. That's just what always happens.

Local radio dude has sadly blocked my home and cell number.......I can't call him anymore. My emails go to spam and when I wrote him a letter he read it on air and then said he wiped his ass with it......

he hates me.

Also, in case you didn't know I'm a "fem-nazi socialist", it's shocking I didn't know this about myself.

Also, I got him to admit on air that he was a racist.

Fun times.
Nice! :D Well done, Smunkee.

Well, I will now go on a killing rampage, and my first victims will be those radio DJs.

You could accomplish the same thing with a hotel room, a transvestite and a hidden camera and nobody would have to die. Remember, they're republican. ;)

can we listen to this guy online?

I'm just saying.

There's ways for other people to call...if only they could get the phone number.

I'm not insinuating anything by that, of course.

http://www.markshannon.com/

Don't click if you are prone to seizures or if you have a brain because it might explode.

You could accomplish the same thing with a hotel room, a transvestite and a hidden camera and nobody would have to die. Remember, they're republican. ;)

Hmmm, could I use the tape to extort them before public humiliating them?

You could accomplish the same thing with a hotel room, a transvestite and a hidden camera and nobody would have to die. Remember, they're republican. ;)
Don't forget to put a bowl full of white powder and some rolled up dollar bills on the coffee table.

Hmmm, could I use the tape to extort them before public humiliating them?

Extortion is such a nasty word.

I much prefer "magnolia". "Magnolia" is a much nicer word.

if Obama's goal was "change," and so much of what he has been doing is "same old, same old" - deficit spending, appointing "old boy network" politicians, making promises that cannot be fulfilled, then yeah, I'd say he's failed. Quite miserably, in fact.

Well, in that case Bush Jr. is a bad president -- he left that shit for Obama to clean up.
- economy is bad
- people are loosing jobs
- soldiers are dying in Iraq
- the government is spending money it doesn't have


Agreed, Kat.


- women can now sue if they aren't paid fairly
- abortion is legal

So it's like... you know, Obama's trying to make the USA into a civilized modern country... and that's bad? :eek2:

Impossible to tell, as his policies won't take effect until more time has passed than is in the average American's detailed memory.

Which has been said (by some politician, I'm sure) to be about two weeks long when it comes to politics. I hope it's at least two years. The guy's been in office for what, a month? Give him and his team time. The previous guy had two full terms to make a mess of things.

Extortion is such a nasty word.

I much prefer "magnolia". "Magnolia" is a much nicer word.

Meh I prefer to call it "Insurance", Of course with me, once things stopped being fun or interesting, then I'll send the tape out to all the major news sources.

Local radio dude has sadly blocked my home and cell number.......I can't call him anymore. My emails go to spam and when I wrote him a letter he read it on air and then said he wiped his ass with it......

he hates me.

Also, in case you didn't know I'm a "fem-nazi socialist", it's shocking I didn't know this about myself.

Also, I got him to admit on air that he was a racist.

Fun times.

We should all fear the Smunkee and her fem-nazism before they destroy the good old values of the American heartland :p

if Obama's goal was "change," and so much of what he has been doing is "same old, same old" - deficit spending, appointing "old boy network" politicians, making promises that cannot be fulfilled, then yeah, I'd say he's failed. Quite miserably, in fact.

*introduces you to 'Cassie'.*

Extortion is such a nasty word.

I much prefer "magnolia". "Magnolia" is a much nicer word.

You....I like you.

if Obama's goal was "change," and so much of what he has been doing is "same old, same old" - deficit spending, appointing "old boy network" politicians, making promises that cannot be fulfilled, then yeah, I'd say he's failed. Quite miserably, in fact.
"Are we there yet?"

"Cut it out."

"Are we there yet?"

"I'm going to pull this thing over..."

"Are we there yet?"

"...and give you something to cry about."

"Are we there yet?"

"Cut it out."

"Are we there yet?"

"I'm going to pull this thing over..."

"Are we there yet?"

"...and give you something to cry about."

I always just pull off the highway and say "yep, we're here, get out".......

"moooooom this isn't where we're going?"
"okay, now, not.another.word"

"Are we there yet?"

"Cut it out."

"Are we there yet?"

"I'm going to pull this thing over..."

"Are we there yet?"

"...and give you something to cry about."

Ever wish the North would've just let the CSA be their own country? I kinda imagined all the Republicans would be in the CSA if it was still around.

I always just pull off the highway and say "yep, we're here, get out".......

"moooooom this isn't where we're going?"
"okay, now, not.another.word"

What, you don't leave them? *psh* well now they'll know you're just bluffing.

Ever wish the North would've just let the CSA be their own country? I kinda imagined all the Republicans would be in the CSA if it was still around.

Do not leave me alone with these freaks!

Extortion is such a nasty word.

I much prefer "magnolia". "Magnolia" is a much nicer word.

This is utterly sig-worthy, and I would personally sig it if I could bear to part with my current quote. Just thought you should know. :D

Edit: On second thought, you know, quote boxes are fat and unwieldy anyway. *sigs*

I always just pull off the highway and say "yep, we're here, get out".......

"moooooom this isn't where we're going?"
"okay, now, not.another.word"
Hm... I wonder if TW is old enough that I could do that but actually drive away and leave him at some random rest stop...

Don't click if you are prone to seizures or if you have a brain because it might explode.

*clicks*

*has a seizure*

(Anything to get out of doing a chemistry test...?)

"Are we there yet?"

"Cut it out."

"Are we there yet?"

"I'm going to pull this thing over..."

"Are we there yet?"

"...and give you something to cry about."

Y'know, you COULD keep this analogy on. It might catch on, like "Fort Sumpter".

Can we let him get through his first year before we decry him as a failure?

why am I still breathing oxygen to stay alive?

WHERE'S THE CHANGE OBAMA?

Which has been said (by some politician, I'm sure) to be about two weeks long when it comes to politics. I hope it's at least two years. The guy's been in office for what, a month? Give him and his team time. The previous guy had two full terms to make a mess of things.

It's a little longer, but not much. Already people only remember Bill Clinton as that guy who lied about having sex with someone. In four or six years they'll only remember George W. Bush as that guy who said "They misunderestimated me", except for a few less easily distracted people who also remember that he said "Make the pie higher". In fifteen years it's likely Barack Obama will only be remembered as the black guy, unless he does something to eclipse that in terms of pop culture staying power.

Can we let him get through his first year before we decry him as a failure?

Apparently not. Personally I blame 30 minutes sitcoms, everyone expect everything to be done in 30 minutes.

I'm STILL not having lesbian sex with Morrigan Aensland!

WHERE'S THE CHANGE, OBAMA?!!!

(Thought I'd include mine.)

It's a little longer, but not much. Already people only remember Bill Clinton as that guy who lied about having sex with someone. In four or six years they'll only remember George W. Bush as that guy who said "They misunderestimated me", except for a few less easily distracted people who also remember that he said "Make the pie higher".

and those of us with truly exceptional memories will always remember him as the guy who lost a spy plane to China.

Ever wish the North would've just let the CSA be their own country? I kinda imagined all the Republicans would be in the CSA if it was still around.
All my thinking on this question is represented by this:

http://www.fuckthesouth.com/

My favorite rant of all time, on just about any topic whatsoever.

I agree, Obama is a failure. It's already past the second commercial break and he hasn't solved any major crisis.

Of course it's still too early to judge Bush.

Apparently not. Personally I blame 30 minutes sitcoms, everyone expect everything to be done in 30 minutes.
I was going to make a crack about 30 seconds but I'd have to mod myself. ;)

why am I still breathing oxygen to stay alive?

WHERE'S THE CHANGE OBAMA?

Historically all of those who have attempted to make the daring switch over to breathing chlorine have failed, for some reason. You could say that people have almost given up trying.

Still, I live for the day when someday we may be able to take off our environment suits in the verdant chlorinated atmosphere of the planet Zorkon and allow our respiratory systems to adjust to breathing chlorine. Chemically speaking, the differences are minor and this is really the kind of thing that should have been fixed a long time ago.

I'd say it's just another failure of the Bush Administration. It's been notoriously lax in terms of scientific progress. I also note -- no dinosaurs.

I was going to make a crack about 30 seconds but I'd have to mod myself. ;)

Hey....Hey, you're talking about me aren't you. ;)

Of course it's still too early to judge Bush.

fucking win.

and those of us with truly exceptional memories will always remember him as the guy who lost a spy plane to China.

Nonsense, that never happened. That's almost like suggesting there was some kind of scandal involving Iran during the Reagan era! Insane, I tell you.

All my thinking on this question is represented by this:

http://www.fuckthesouth.com/

My favorite rant of all time, on just about any topic whatsoever.

I am Heikoku and I approve of this message.

The engineers in your region failed, too.

Especially the one that constructed the Chuck E Cheese and that auto shop. :tongue:

WHERE'S THE CHANGE, OBAMA?


...oh, nevermind, I found it. It was under the couch cushion.

Obama got change in his pocket, all we have to do is reach in there and grab it.

WHERE'S THE CHANGE, OBAMA?


...oh, nevermind, I found it. It was under the couch cushion.

Hey, it's your economic stimulus! Just in time!

Obama got change in his pocket, all we have to do is reach in there and grab it.

Be sure not to grab the flashlight instead.

Be sure not to grab the flashlight instead.

I thought it was trouser snakes that we should be worried about.

I thought it was trouser snakes that we should be worried about.

Nope, definately the flashlight. We're in soo much debt, they are about to turn the lights off on us :p

Obama is a member of the Democratic Party - need I say more.

Where's the change, Sauron!?

FO-ORRRRRRRRRRT SUM-TERRRRRRRRRRR!!!

Obama is a member of the Democratic Party - need I say more.

Yes you do, because last I check Democrats are politicians, which means they are liars, cheaters and deceivers. The only difference between Obama and the other politicians is that he's really good at it.

Fascinating. The man only took office 3 weeks ago, hasn't yet been able to appoint all of his cabinet, and already he has failed.

If this were sports, I don't imagine anyone would be expecting a new coach to be able to turn around a team in three weeks.

If this were a corporation, I imagine the CEO would already have been fired, given a golden handshake and a 20 million dollar bonus.

As for radio, my favorite comment comes from the ultra patriotic Rush as he was talking about the new president of the United States. "I hope he fails." My, my! Such patriotism, Rush! Makes me proud to be 'murican. <suppress gag reflex>

My advice: Give him some time. Bush didn't dump us in the crapper in the first 3 weeks of his first term either. But...during his second term (what I call the United States of Haliburton), I must admit i started wishing for the good old days when all we had to worry about was the president keeping his privates in his pants and out of interns.

If this were sports, I don't imagine anyone would be expecting a new coach to be able to turn around a team in three weeks.




Allow me to introduce to you....

This man: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sean_Payton

If this were sports, I don't imagine anyone would be expecting a new coach to be able to turn around a team in three weeks.

Okay, so maybe not three weeks, but...

Barry Melrose (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barry_Melrose)

Fascinating. The man only took office 3 weeks ago, hasn't yet been able to appoint all of his cabinet, and already he has failed.

If this were sports, I don't imagine anyone would be expecting a new coach to be able to turn around a team in three weeks.

If this were a corporation, I imagine the CEO would already have been fired, given a golden handshake and a 20 million dollar bonus.

As for radio, my favorite comment comes from the ultra patriotic Rush as he was talking about the new president of the United States. "I hope he fails." My, my! Such patriotism, Rush! Makes me proud to be 'murican. <suppress gag reflex>

My advice: Give him some time. Bush didn't dump us in the crapper in the first 3 weeks of his first term either. But...during his second term (what I call the United States of Haliburton), I must admit i started wishing for the good old days when all we had to worry about was the president keeping his privates in his pants and out of interns.

The people who cry the loudest about Sauron's failure are waiting for their Champion to return:

http://img.thesun.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00570/SNF0312C_gun_380_570587a.jpg

http://img.thesun.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00570/SNF0312C_gun_380_570587a.jpg

:eek: She's either High.....Or really attracted to that gun, lol

:eek: She's either High.....Or really attracted to that gun, lol

... Is that a bore sight in the barrel?

Hopefully she does(n't) pull the trigger. :p

:eek: She's either High.....Or really attracted to that gun, lol

'shop I think.

Allow me to introduce to you....

This man: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sean_Payton
OK, granted Payton turned the Saints around but it took more than 3 weeks and he's now batting 500 again. (I know, baseball analogy for a football coach...kinda jangles the nerves, don't it?)

BTW: Apologies to Christmahanikwanzikah for not keeping up with hokey enough to recognize Barry Melrose.

The people who cry the loudest about Sauron's failure are waiting for their Champion to return:

http://img.thesun.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00570/SNF0312C_gun_380_570587a.jpg
Oh dear. Is she planning to follow in Cheney's footsteps?

BTW, did they ever figure out how he shot his hunting friend?

BTW: Apologies to Christmahanikwanzikah for not keeping up with hokey enough to recognize Barry Melrose.

:tongue:

Oh dear. Is she planning to follow in Cheney's footsteps?

BTW, did they ever figure out how he shot his hunting friend?

This is prior to her boarding the Cessna to go hunting. :D

this is prior to her boarding the cessna to go hunting. :d
ouch!

OK, granted Payton turned the Saints around but it took more than 3 weeks and he's now batting 500 again. (I know, baseball analogy for a football coach...kinda jangles the nerves, don't it?)



Well, its not That bad, considering the Cardinals only batted 563...

Just so happened the NFC South was a much tougher division, lol...

This is prior to her boarding the Cessna to go hunting. :D

It was a Bell Helicopter, comon, you can't hunt in a Cessna, the window to shoot down an Elk is way too small.

My local talk radio dude says "yes".....

evidence

- economy is bad
- people are loosing jobs
- soldiers are dying in Iraq
- women can now sue if they aren't paid fairly
- abortion is legal
- the government is spending money it doesn't have

Discuss.

Of course he's failed. Why, he's been in office nearly a month and a half and he hasn't yet managed to turn around the problems it's taken more than a decade to create. We should impeach him. *nods.*

All my thinking on this question is represented by this:

http://www.fuckthesouth.com/

My favorite rant of all time, on just about any topic whatsoever.
that was intense! how did I not know about this sooner?!?!?

It's still 2009.

WHERE'S THE CHANGE, SAURON!?

I don't read the news, because it's depressing, and I have a hard enough time working up the courage to face the world with OUT knowing all the fucked up shit that is going on in it.

So, um, is Obama really responsible for the legality of abortions? Or, like, the fact that women can sue for discrimination?

Cuz, maybe I'm totally naiive, but, like, I thought that had been legal before, too? Maybe?

All my thinking on this question is represented by this:

http://www.fuckthesouth.com/

My favorite rant of all time, on just about any topic whatsoever.

You know.....We're not all like that....In fact, the people that came up with those labels werent Southern...and their candidates were from Arizona and Alaska....

[Insert long rant and many Expletives here :mad:]

The people who cry the loudest about Sauron's failure are waiting for their Champion to return:

http://img.thesun.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00570/SNF0312C_gun_380_570587a.jpg

Usually I'm not at all into guns, I find them scary.

But that's kinda hawt.

I think it's because she's Alaskan. *sigh*

You know.....We're not all like that....In fact, the people that came up with those labels werent Southern...and their candidates were from Arizona and Alaska....

[Insert long rant and many Expletives here :mad:]

Actually that rant first came out in the aftermath of the 2004 Campaign.

Actually that rant first came out in the aftermath of the 2004 Campaign.

Still, Just because alot of the people down here are conservatives, doesnt mean we all are...

In fact, Id say there are more Western States in Republican Hands than Southern ones...

And even so, using the ones in political power as a basis for stereotyping an entire group of people is beyond idiotic...

lol.

Still, Just because alot of the people down here are conservatives, doesnt mean we all are...

In fact, Id say there are more Western States in Republican Hands than Southern ones...

And even so, using the ones in political power as a basis for stereotyping an entire group of people is beyond idiotic...

true. . .but the rant was funny (for a Canadian entirely disassociated from the states in every way possible.):D

My local talk radio dude says "yes".....

evidence

- economy is bad
- people are loosing jobs
- soldiers are dying in Iraq
- women can now sue if they aren't paid fairly
- abortion is legal
- the government is spending money it doesn't have

Discuss.

Yep, he's a dud. Time to get a new one. Isn't there a spare Bush available somwhere?

The fact is, no matter who the president, it's close to impossible to hold a rational discussion on the pros and cons.

Leaving bias aside as a factor, issues such as the amount of influence he has, the difference between an administration and the president along with varying interpretations of the consequences of any act are simply starters.

Correctly discerning motivations, intent and more complicate it all further.

Is Barack Obama a failure, by what criteria does one measure him, one might say he failed to properly scrutinise Daschle et al, but really?

Anyway, no matter how long into his presidency, we're all as fair and balanced as FOX.

My local talk radio dude says "yes".....

evidence

- economy is bad
- people are loosing jobs
- soldiers are dying in Iraq
- women can now sue if they aren't paid fairly
- abortion is legal
- the government is spending money it doesn't have

Discuss.

What's the point? He's been "President" less than a Month-even Teddy Roosevelt didn't move that fast. Though, to be fair, Bush got the same treatment, in the same amount of time, so it's all part of the game.

If we're exceptionally Lucky, Obama's going to be a mediocre president-this is what you get when you use the criteria from "American Idol" to choose your leadership. One month isn't enough time to evaluate what got bought by the American people, he hasn't had time to influence the Bureaucracy yet, put his particluar stamp on policy, or even work out all the shit he needs to know how to do to do the job.

Now, in six months to a year we'll know if Celebrity and good-looks are matched by ability to govern. At least, to govern a Congress that is made up mostly of his party allies and party stalwarts. Should he ever face an Opposition congress (unlikely-hell, damn near impossible, really-the GOP's a disaster internally with no direction, no surviving principles, and no internal leaders capable of putting a sentence together), Or a Press that isn't in the bag for him (also deeply unlikely), we'll know if he's more than Mediocre.

His early selections for cabinet posts aren't promising-two Tax-Cheats including a Treasury Secretary doesn't indicate sound judgement, but then, he's from Chicago, and a certain amount of that kind of corruption is simply part of the Illinois system Obama rose through the ranks of-it's to be expected, and no big deal.

http://www.markshannon.com/

Don't click if you are prone to seizures or if you have a brain because it might explode.
I clicked anyway. I hate you a little bit now.

On the upside, the ads on there let you know where not to take your business to, so that's a plus, right?

He was in Europe. Astonishing. Also, ewww.

... Is that a bore sight in the barrel?

Hopefully she does(n't) pull the trigger. :p

it not load as it has no mag,think someone was being smart

it not load as it has no mag,think someone was being smart

Except for the Youtube video showing her actually firing it on the range-probably after the familiarization shot posted above.

Local radio dude has sadly blocked my home and cell number.......I can't call him anymore. My emails go to spam and when I wrote him a letter he read it on air and then said he wiped his ass with it......

he hates me.

Also, in case you didn't know I'm a "fem-nazi socialist", it's shocking I didn't know this about myself.

Also, I got him to admit on air that he was a racist.

Fun times.

I can, from one professional to another... go over there and make him quit his job.

So after being inaugurated on January 20 Obama is expected to clean up a mess that was created over the past 8 years. Obama hasn't even been in office for a month!

My local talk radio dude says "yes".....

evidence

- economy is bad
- people are loosing jobs
- soldiers are dying in Iraq
- women can now sue if they aren't paid fairly
- abortion is legal
- the government is spending money it doesn't have

Discuss.

Yes, yes. Obama is a failure as president. Let's try him as almighty dictator, emperor and autocrat of all the United States.

He has pushed back the timetable for withdrawl from Iraq -- more than once
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090207/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/us_iraq


He has refused to stop warrantless wiretapping
http://consumercal.blogspot.com/2008/12/has-big-brother-won-obamas-wiretapping.html

He has refused to even investigate, much less prosecute Bush administration officials for potetial war crimes, like the torture they've boasted about
http://www.worldcantwait.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=5168&Itemid=289
http://dennisloo.blogspot.com/2008/04/bush-admits-approving-torture.html


Yes, he's a failure and I regret voting for him.

So after being inaugurated on January 20 Obama is expected to clean up a mess that was created over the past 8 years. Obama hasn't even been in office for a month!

I didn't expect him to have everything fixed in a month, but I didn't expect him to not even try, either.

He has pushed back the timetable for withdrawl from Iraq -- more than once
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090207/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/us_iraq


He has refused to stop warrantless wiretapping
http://consumercal.blogspot.com/2008/12/has-big-brother-won-obamas-wiretapping.html

He has refused to even investigate, much less prosecute Bush administration officials for potetial war crimes, like the torture they've boasted about
http://www.worldcantwait.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=5168&Itemid=289
http://dennisloo.blogspot.com/2008/04/bush-admits-approving-torture.html


Yes, he's a failure and I regret voting for him.

Let's impeach him now and make Sarah Palin President!

Let's impeach him now and make Sarah Palin President!

Sure, let's put the one person who'd be a worse choice in charge.

He has pushed back the timetable for withdrawl from Iraq -- more than once

He has refused to stop warrantless wiretapping

He has refused to even investigate, much less prosecute Bush administration officials for potetial war crimes, like the torture they've boasted about

Yes, he's a failure and I regret voting for him.

How soon we all forget the alternative..

I don't know why politicians lay out detailed platforms on different issues when voters imagine they can achieve anything they say on a whim, if John McCain had just promised to give everyone a million dollars on taking office, I expect he would have won.

Barack Obama promoted a vision backed by specific policy outlines, no one with half a brain would think he'd just achieve them.

You vote for the better candidate on the understanding that he cannot fulfill every wish, that there are realities to face and as much as everyone likes to pretend that everyone voted for Barack Obama just because they heard him say change, the fact is that there were two main candidates running and, for all his faults, the better candidate won.

How soon we all forget the alternative..

I don't know why politicians lay out detailed platforms on different issues when voters imagine they can achieve anything they say on a whim, if John McCain had just promised to give everyone a million dollars on taking office, I expect he would have won.

Barack Obama promoted a vision backed by specific policy outlines, no one with half a brain would think he'd just achieve them.

You vote for the better candidate on the understanding that he cannot fulfill every wish, that there are realities to face and as much as everyone likes to pretend that everyone voted for Barack Obama just because they heard him say change, the fact is that there were two main candidates running and, for all his faults, the better candidate won.

True enough that McCain would have been worse, but we're not talking about things that would be that difficult to achieve (with the possible exception of the withdrawal); he could end the wiretapping with the stroke of a pen, and how difficult would it be for him to order the Justice Department to investigate the torture program? Admittedly, convictions might be harder to achieve, but at least try damn it!

I love the fuck the south post.

The sky is still blue! Grass is still green!

WHERE'S THE CHANGE, OBAMA?!

Except for the Youtube video showing her actually firing it on the range-probably after the familiarization shot posted above.

oh hell whos the one giving her ammo and ideas ?

So after being inaugurated on January 20 Obama is expected to clean up a mess that was created over the past 8 years. Obama hasn't even been in office for a month!

Well...it IS what he promised.

oh hell whos the one giving her ammo and ideas ?

IIRC, it was the Alaskan National Guard troops she was visiting in the Middle East-you know, the people she was (Nominally) responsible for?

Palin isn't my choice for a "Face" of the Republican Party, but she WAS effective as Governor of her state, and she DID put some corrupt Republicans in Jail for taking bribes and other fun, political things that your lot seem incapable of getting convictions through on.

(and she broke the Murkowski Machine, which has misruled that state for better than twenty years).

Well...it IS what he promised.

Did we vote Domino's Pizza into the White House? Because I don't recall Obama saying anything about "30 minutes or less, guaranteed" when he talked about bringing change.

IIRC, it was the Alaskan National Guard troops she was visiting in the Middle East-you know, the people she was (Nominally) responsible for?

i'm a Australian you think i happen to know where and what she doing Now ??

if Obama's goal was "change," and so much of what he has been doing is "same old, same old" - deficit spending, appointing "old boy network" politicians, making promises that cannot be fulfilled, then yeah, I'd say he's failed. Quite miserably, in fact.

Funny though. This guy is saying that Obama has failed before Obama has even been in office a month, and Republicans were still telling us to give Bush's policies a chance right up until the election.

Funny though. This guy is saying that Obama has failed before Obama has even been in office a month, and Republicans were still telling us to give Bush's policies a chance right up until the election.

I think it's called "Applying your standards to your side." or "Tit for Tat". It's a stupid game, but it's human-the Democrats set the standard of analysis in 2001 with the "Bush stole the Election" meme, the "He's Not MY President" meme, and the "Impeach Bushitler" stickers were already up by February of that year...

Then, there was the rough five minutes of "We're all americans" after 9/11, by January of 02, it was back to business as usual, including the Code Pinkers, "End the War NOW" crowd (we hadn't even GONE to Iraq at that point) holding protests, and the return of what amounts to the usual.

Now, it's on the other foot, and apparently it pinches a bit. So What? None of it really matters-as the "Stimulus Bill" shows, there really isn't a dime's worth of difference between Obama's policies, and Bush's, save that Obama's more ambitious about wasting money doing things that didn't work the first few times they were tried, and he has even LESS concept of Limits than his predecessor.

All of which means absolutely jack shit, he's been in office less than a month, hopefully he'll either get smarter, figure out something that works, and do it, or he'll be the rubber stamp for Pelosi-Reid (in which case, we're all fucked sooner, rather than later.)

The car was already going over the cliff when they switched drivers in 2000, now it's 2009, and they've switched to a guy who has a lead foot.

IIRC, it was the Alaskan National Guard troops she was visiting in the Middle East-you know, the people she was (Nominally) responsible for?

Palin isn't my choice for a "Face" of the Republican Party, but she WAS effective as Governor of her state, and she DID put some corrupt Republicans in Jail for taking bribes and other fun, political things that your lot seem incapable of getting convictions through on.

(and she broke the Murkowski Machine, which has misruled that state for better than twenty years).

Didn't she use her position to have her sister's ex-husband fired too?

True enough that McCain would have been worse, but we're not talking about things that would be that difficult to achieve (with the possible exception of the withdrawal); he could end the wiretapping with the stroke of a pen, and how difficult would it be for him to order the Justice Department to investigate the torture program? Admittedly, convictions might be harder to achieve, but at least try damn it!

One thing I'm not sure of is whether Bush managed to get the things like wiretapping and such passed into actual law. I seem to remember that in the final days of his administration, there was a blurb about the stuff he was doing to make sure his legacy was semi-permanent.

One thing I'm not sure of is whether Bush managed to get the things like wiretapping and such passed into actual law. I seem to remember that in the final days of his administration, there was a blurb about the stuff he was doing to make sure his legacy was semi-permanent.

I heard something about that, too but I haven't been able to find a source yet.

Didn't she use her position to have her sister's ex-husband fired too?

You're talking about the wife-beating poacher, right? The guy who was caught drunk-driving his State Patrol Car? (more than once, according to the Legislative Investigation that, though driven by Democrats on an Election Year didn't find anything wrong with the termination...)

My local talk radio dude says "yes".....

evidence

- economy is bad
- people are loosing jobs
- soldiers are dying in Iraq
- women can now sue if they aren't paid fairly
- abortion is legal
- the government is spending money it doesn't have

Discuss.


How can we tell yet, how long has he been in the job?

Obama is a member of the Democratic Party - need I say more.

Indeed. It means he is NOT a member of the accursed party that got the US into this crapper in the first place. You don't need to say anything else.

I was going to wonder how this dude keeps his job, but then I clicked the link and realized it was in Oklahoma.

The Obamassiah has failed! The apocalypse is coming, everybody, quick, do the macarena!

...Oh, wait. He hasn't failed. Damn, I wanted to do the macarena. :(

Clearly Barack Obama's attempts to bend reality to his will have not succeeded. He has failed. *nod*
Agreed......time for impeachment!!!!

Agreed......time for impeachment!!!!

how could he be impeached? I thought McCain won. I thought you told me he was a shoe in!

how could he be impeached? I thought McCain won. I thought you told me he was a shoe in!
We have passed that point.....you now have permission to get a life!! :D

We have passed that point

Agreed......time for impeachment!!!!

Not all of us, so it seems.

Not all of us, so it seems.
LG was joking.....I was trying to ride his coat tail.....sorry that you didn't catch the connection. So far Obama is doing everything in his power to impliment change......more power to him.

too soon to tell. i have reservations about obama, cause only kool-aid drinkers have none. change this, change that, change, change, change. good or bad kind i wonder. it's easy to call him names: hussein, bo, obambi, obummer, odumbo and if he really bombs, we could call him obomber. nothing orginal but i gave the haters some ammo. this next sentence is for the one who called him "the black guy". he's a mulatto, which is ok to say in my country. culture thing i guess. he bumped his head on an airplane doorway roof, so if he acts dumb remember that. guess anyone can bump his head, espcially if he's six foot three, english measurement system. metric would be just under 2 meters, as a meter is about three inches more than a yard. i'm american, but not dumb.

the conservative talk radio guys in general seem to be kinda crazy right now.

i listened to rush yesterday for ..... 5 minutes (all i can take) and he was almost as crazy as michael savage (who seems to me to be literally mentally ill). he ranted about how the president has warped the fabric of society as evidenced by the pathetic people who went to the ft myers town meeting and then screeched about he and his listeners taking back the government until he settled down a bit and "clarified" that he meant in the next elections.

sean hannity (a few hours later) was still harping on how the democrats are going to turn us into FRANCE (i dont understand why that is the worst of the worst) and commiserating with his listeners who are scared witless over obamas plans for the country.

its kinda creepy. i wonder how many followers they are losing.

too soon to tell. i have reservations about obama, cause only kool-aid drinkers have none. change this, change that, change, change, change. good or bad kind i wonder. it's easy to call him names: hussein, bo, obambi, obummer, odumbo and if he really bombs, we could call him obomber. nothing orginal but i gave the haters some ammo. this next sentence is for the one who called hime "the black guy". he's a mulatto, which is ok to say in my country. culture thing i guess. he bumped his head on an airplane doorway roof, so if he acts dumb remember that. guess anyone can bump his head, espcially if he's six foot three, english measurement system. metric would be just under 2 meters, as a meter is about three inches more than a yard. i'm american, but not dumb.

where'd you get the drugs, and can I have some?

The people who cry the loudest about Sauron's failure are waiting for their Champion to return:

http://img.thesun.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00570/SNF0312C_gun_380_570587a.jpg

You know who is taking that picture?

This guy:

http://www.theage.com.au/ffximage/2006/02/18/whittington_wideweb__470x353,0.jpg

How can a President in office for 3 weeks be characterized as a failure by a honkey tonk right wing mud slinging radio guy? Does the radio guy conveniently have Alzheimer's rendering him unable to recall which President and which party got the country into this mess? Change channels and listen to someone with total recall!

where'd you get the drugs, and can I have some?
i don't have drugs. sometimes i do long posts. i am female.

I think it's a bit unfair that people would think Obama is being a bad president. He's being in the White House for what, 2 months at most? Give them man the opportunity.

I think it's a bit unfair that people would think Obama is being a bad president. He's being in the White House for what, 2 months at most? Give them man the opportunity.

24 days.

24 days.

Ok. Parting from that, do you think that in 24 days, Obama can right 8 years or more of bad management and bad policies? I don't think so, but I may be mistaken.

where'd you get the drugs, and can I have some?

i don't have drugs. sometimes i do long posts. i am female.

"I figure I'll give her another chance. And yesterday, at the end of the date, she said something that if she was kidding was very funny. But on the other hand if she wasnt well then, she's not fun, stupid, and kinda a racist."

Points mean prizes.

I think it's a bit unfair that people would think Obama is being a bad president. He's being in the White House for what, 2 months at most? Give them man the opportunity.
He has been in the White House since he was sworn in on January 20, 2009, and it is now February 12, 2009. Not even a month.

"I figure I'll give her another chance. And yesterday, at the end of the date, she said something that if she was kidding was very funny. But on the other hand if she wasnt well then, she's not fun, stupid, and kinda a racist."

Points mean prizes.

He shoulda gone with the one from Poughkeepsie.

i don't have drugs. sometimes i do long posts. i am female.

I don't know why, but this post is cracking me the fuck up.

"I figure I'll give her another chance. And yesterday, at the end of the date, she said something that if she was kidding was very funny. But on the other hand if she wasnt well then, she's not fun, stupid, and kinda a racist."

Points mean prizes.
are you a dude?

He has been in the White House since he was sworn in on January 20, 2009, and it is now February 12, 2009. Not even a month.

There we go. Is that enough time to really DO something?

are you a dude

Is that a question?

espcially if he's six foot three, english measurement system. metric would be just under 2 meters, as a meter is about three inches more than a yard.

To be accurate, 6' 3" = 190,06 cm . Tall but not stratospherically so.

There we go. Is that enough time to really DO something?

But more over, it's not even that. In these three weeks he's:

1) helped Congress push through an amendment to the equal pay laws
2) ordered Guantanamo Bay closed
3) pushed through ethics reforms
4) perhaps biggest of all - helped steer a divided congress into agreeing on the biggest spending bill in history.

I don't know why, but this post is cracking me the fuck up.
nice to know i made you laugh. it's fun to appeal to someone's sense of humor. were you kidding about drugs? or are you a druggie? drugs are dumb! except meds (medicine) , that is.

Is that a question?
yes, for barringtonia

nice to know i made you laugh. it's fun to appeal to someone's sense of humor. were you kidding about drugs? or are you a druggie? drugs are dumb! except meds (medicine) , that is.

ok, that's it, it's too good.

But more over, it's not even that. In these three weeks he's:

1) helped Congress push through an amendment to the equal pay laws
2) ordered Guantanamo Bay closed
3) pushed through ethics reforms
4) perhaps biggest of all - helped steer a divided congress into agreeing on the biggest spending bill in history.

Which is why I think that it's unfair people think that he's a bad president, if they do think that at all. You're summing some things up that evidence he's doing his job. More so, he perhaps has done something that other presidents weren't able to do so early on their presidency.

To be accurate, 6' 3" = 190,06 cm . Tall but not stratospherically so.
i had to estimate. no conversion chart in front of me. got that?

yes, for barringtonia

Then end it all with this: ?. It prevents confusion.:wink:

ok, that's it, it's too good.
what's too good?

I don't know why, but this post is cracking me the fuck up.

Eh... it has this strange flavour of logical jumpiness... catchy. Quite catchy.

are you a dude
Is that a question?

No. There is no question mark.

Or maybe it's lolcatsese. r u a dood

i had to estimate. no conversion chart in front of me. got that?

wiki

No. There is no question mark.

Or maybe it's lolcatsese. r u a dood

According to Behaved, she was indeed posing a question.

Now, if she's proficient in Lolcatsese, that's also cool.:tongue:

Eh... it has this strange flavour of logical jumpiness... catchy. Quite catchy.

It has a certain "I like marshmellows with my walrus. Purple!" quality to it.

According to Behaved, she was indeed posing a question.

Now, if she's proficient in Lolcatsese, that's also cool.:tongue:
i am not an lolcat.

are you a dude?

In all aspects of the word, yes.

It has a certain "I like marshmellows with my walrus. Purple!" quality to it.
it marshmallow not mellow, at least in my country. not sure about yours

i am not an lolcat.

You're so cute.:fluffle:

i am not an lolcat.

The pictures I have say differently!

Still, Just because alot of the people down here are conservatives, doesnt mean we all are...

In fact, Id say there are more Western States in Republican Hands than Southern ones...

And even so, using the ones in political power as a basis for stereotyping an entire group of people is beyond idiotic...
Mmm-hm. Yeah, pardon me if I'm not going to apologize for saying that someone else's over-the-top rant expresses the frustration that I also feel about a certain kind of political attitude the bulk of the demographic breakdown of which just happens to fall along a particular geographic divide.

In all aspects of the word, yes.
you said you dated a girl, so i was thinking dude or lez. good to know you're not a gay, homo, queer, lez, take your pick female. i believe homosexuality is wrong. they like obama, cause he believes in gay rights. well, he's a liberal and liberal types are more pro-gay, generally.

He has pushed back the timetable for withdrawl from Iraq -- more than once
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090207/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/us_iraq


He has refused to stop warrantless wiretapping
http://consumercal.blogspot.com/2008/12/has-big-brother-won-obamas-wiretapping.html

He has refused to even investigate, much less prosecute Bush administration officials for potetial war crimes, like the torture they've boasted about
http://www.worldcantwait.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=5168&Itemid=289
http://dennisloo.blogspot.com/2008/04/bush-admits-approving-torture.html


Yes, he's a failure and I regret voting for him.
Are we there yet? Are we there yet? Are we there yet?

It comes from both sides. :rolleyes:

Well...it IS what he promised.
He did not promise to fix it all in month, though, did he?

you said you dated a girl, so i was thinking dude or lez. good to know you're not a gay, homo, queer, lez, take your pick female. i believe homosexuality is wrong. they like obama, cause he believes in gay rights. well, he's a liberal and liberal types are more pro-gay, generally.

Awwwwwwwww. Cute little kitty has an opinion!

The pictures I have say differently!
my avatar is a kitten in a sweater, but i just like cats. what is an lolcat anyway? do they tend to like obama?

my avatar is a kitten in a sweater, but i just like cats. what is an lolcat anyway? do they tend to like obama?

If you have to ask...

my avatar is a kitten in a sweater, but i just like cats. what is an lolcat anyway? do they tend to like obama?

That kitten in a sweater is from LOLCats.

This is a LolCats.
http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1042/592839634_6275f7bc60_m.jpg

However, LOLCats has nothing to do with the discussion.

If you have to ask...
oh how i envied my sister and niece when i showed them a cute photo from here and said that it was probably a "loldog" picture and they had no idea what i meant by that...

He did not promise to fix it all in month, though, did he?

Exactly.

Awwwwwwwww. Cute little kitty has an opinion!
homosexuality is against my religion. i have the kitten avatar to seem female and i like the picture. some females were mad at obama for the "crime" of beating hillary. not me. too young of a woman i guess. just wary of his change talk.

you said you dated a girl, so i was thinking dude or lez. good to know you're not a gay, homo, queer, lez, take your pick female. i believe homosexuality is wrong. they like obama, cause he believes in gay rights. well, he's a liberal and liberal types are more pro-gay, generally.

This has got to be satire? Surely?

homosexuality is against my religion. i have the kitten avatar to seem female and i like the picture. some females were mad at obama for the "crime" of beating hillary. not me. too young of a woman i guess. just wary of his change talk.

Is this stated seriously?:eek2:

homosexuality is against my religion. i have the kitten avatar to seem female and i like the picture. some females were mad at obama for the "crime" of beating hillary. not me. too young of a woman i guess. just wary of his change talk.

Well, here's hoping you have enough sense to remember that it is your religion that denounces it, and that your religion is not a matter for government policy. Shouldn't be, anyway.

I'm a cat person, hopefully we'll get along.

That kitten in a sweater is from LOLCats.

This is a LolCats.
http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1042/592839634_6275f7bc60_m.jpg

However, LOLCats has nothing to do with the discussion.
i google image searched and found it. know what else is cute? kids. obama wants them all to have health care. how do you define failed president anyway?

No, but then nor is he a success.

This has got to be satire? Surely?

It's not really funny, 'an attempt at' might be more apt, or George Bush has found a way to use his new-found spare time.

Well, here's hoping you have enough sense to remember that it is your religion that denounces it, and that your religion is not a matter for government policy. Shouldn't be, anyway.

I'm a cat person, hopefully we'll get along.
just saying why i have my opinion. i know separation of church and state. what do you think of obama anway

It's not really funny, 'an attempt at' might be more apt, or George Bush has found a way to use his new-found spare time.

Does Bush strike you as a kitten person? I always thought he'd be more into parrots.

i google image searched and found it. know what else is cute? kids. obama wants them all to have health care. how do you define failed president anyway?

I wouldn't consider that Obama has failed. As I already said, he's being in the White House short of a month. And even so, as Neo Art stated, he has achieved a couple of landmarks. It's terribly unjust to declare him a failure so fast. He may not be a huge success, but he's not a failure either.

i google image searched and found it. know what else is cute? kids. obama wants them all to have health care. how do you define failed president anyway?
thats already passed.

as is revamping the time that people have to file pay discrimination lawsuits.

he's off to a good start in my opinion.

A. Most of this mess was inherited from GWB.
B. He's been President for, what, four weeks? Give him at least 6 months. I gave your failure 4 years to prove himself.

Is this stated seriously?:eek2:
sure i'm serious

no i'm serious

Tee hee.

i'm serious

no i'm serious

If you say so...

just saying why i have my opinion. i know separation of church and state. what do you think of obama anway

My first impression is that he couldn't do worse than the previous president. I am skeptical of his capacity to unite the country, particularly when his opposition is calling him a failure three weeks into his term. Many people roll their eyes at the man's charisma, but charisma's a pretty damned good quality in a leader, as far as motivation goes. "What you can do for your country" and all that. As a Canadian citizen, I feel that Obama will at the very least improve international relations.

Tee hee.
i goofed

My first impression is that he couldn't do worse than the previous president. I am skeptical of his capacity to unite the country, particularly when his opposition is calling him a failure three weeks into his term. Many people roll their eyes at the man's charisma, but charisma's a pretty damned good quality in a leader, as far as motivation goes. "What you can do for your country" and all that. As a Canadian citizen, I feel that Obama will at the very least improve international relations.
i've been to canada. obama wants to make us canada, give gays rights

my avatar is a kitten in a sweater, but i just like cats. what is an lolcat anyway? do they tend to like obama?

A lolcat.

YA WE LULC4TZ LIKE TEH PR3Z!!! 111!!!

...google, anyway.

i've been to canada. obama wants to make us canada, give gays rights

Sounds good, doesn't it? People having rights, I mean.

i've been to canada. obama wants to make us canada, give gays rights

...psst... I also hear he wants Maine and New Hampshire to speak french, just to be more Canuck-like.

Sounds good, doesn't it? People having rights, I mean.

But... but... them fags aren't people! :tongue:

i'm serious

http://is1.okcupid.com/users/410/202/4102022445444324283/mt156454367.jpg

...psst... I also hear he wants Maine and New Hampshire to speak french, just to be more Canuck-like.

If the borders weren't drawn up already, or if they ever came down, I think Maine and my home province of New Brunswick would get along really well. Mainly because it's the exact same place but with different flags.

Does Bush strike you as a kitten person? I always thought he'd be more into parrots.

I thought he liked armadillos. Smoked armadillos, if you get my drift.

My first impression is that he couldn't do worse than the previous president.
He could do as badly. Worse I doubt, aye.
I am skeptical of his capacity to unite the country, particularly when his opposition is calling him a failure three weeks into his term.
I think "most people being substantially poorer" is going to be more of a uniting influence than Barack Obama himself.
Many people roll their eyes at the man's charisma, but charisma's a pretty damned good quality in a leader, as far as motivation goes. "What you can do for your country" and all that.
No substitute for sensible rule. This bailout is just a way to line the pockets of the rich before he boosts taxes on them, a measure which will be rescinded in 2013 when the economy is a bit better and the Republicans quite possibly get someone in charge. We'll have to see then, mind.
As a Canadian citizen, I feel that Obama will at the very least improve international relations.
As a European one, I'm sure we'll have some kind of honeymoon period, but if Clinton keeps on chatting the shit about Syria et al, and we get a possible war with Pakistan over the tribal regions, patience is going to wane very quickly.

- economy is bad
None of government's business.

- people are loosing jobs
None of government's business.


- soldiers are dying in Iraq
This is a problem; Obama should have gotten them out right away.

- women can now sue if they aren't paid fairly
This is a problem; wages are a private matter between employer and employee, and the government has no place interfering.

- abortion is legal
Happened before Obama, although he should have put a stop to it.

- the government is spending money it doesn't have
Same as above.

So yes, Obama is a failure--but what do you expect from an advocate of slavery and murder of the human spirit?

http://is1.okcupid.com/users/410/202/4102022445444324283/mt156454367.jpg

And this is a Lulcthulhu!

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/attachment.php?attachmentid=60942&stc=1&d=1234453463

None of government's business.


None of government's business.



This is a problem; Obama should have gotten them out right away.


This is a problem; wages are a private matter between employer and employee, and the government has no place interfering.


Happened before Obama, although he should have put a stop to it.


Same as above.

So yes, Obama is a failure--but what do you expect from an advocate of slavery and murder of the human spirit?

So, the nation's economy and employment aren't matters for the government, but abortion is? Someone needs a priority readjustment.

So, the nation's economy and employment aren't matters for the government, but abortion is? Someone needs a priority readjustment.
Ron Paul would be shocked to hear you say that.

My local talk radio dude says "yes".....

evidence

- economy is bad
- people are loosing jobs
- soldiers are dying in Iraq
- women can now sue if they aren't paid fairly
- abortion is legal
- the government is spending money it doesn't have

Discuss.

Ahh, I wasn't aware that two weeks into a man's presidency he was supposed to warp the space-time continium and heal the worlds woes with his might. :rolleyes:

So, the nation's economy and employment aren't matters for the government, but abortion is? Someone needs a priority readjustment.

A = A motherfucker!

Ron Paul would be shocked to hear you say that.

Ron paul can call be back when he's relevant. And I don't mean when he stages another World of Warcraft rally.

Ron paul can call be back when he's relevant. And I don't mean when he stages another World of Warcraft rally.
Quite.

A = A motherfucker!

Could you just sig that? Then it would follow you around in threads without any effort at all, heh.

So, the nation's economy and employment aren't matters for the government, but abortion is? Someone needs a priority readjustment.

Killing another human being is quite a legitimate excuse for government involvement.

The economy, which consists of voluntary transactions among individuals, is not.

First this allure:
None of government's business.
None of government's business.
...
...and the government has no place interfering.


and then suddenly, on abortion:

Happened before Obama, although he should have put a stop to it.


I don't get why the government should stay clear out of economy, but should meddle in the private issues about the private body of a woman's.

1.I smell contradiction.
2.Moreover, a government whose sole scope is to enforce ethical standards on people (while everything else is left totally deregulated, mind you) scares me quite a lot.

Could you just sig that? Then it would follow you around in threads without any effort at all, heh.

perhaps, but at the same time, I think the extra effort I take to personally do so adds a special touch to it.

Killing another human being is quite a legitimate excuse for government involvement.

The economy, which consists of voluntary transactions among individuals, is not.
Oh lordy me, the ironing.

I don't get why the government should stay clear out of economy, but should meddle in the private issues about the private body of a woman's.

Because, you have not familiarized yourself with the writings of emminent russian-american philosopher Ayn Rand.

If you had, you wouldn't be such an enormous douche.

Ahh, I wasn't aware that two weeks into a man's presidency he was supposed to warp the space-time continium and heal the worlds woes with his might. :rolleyes:

Hey, he's the Dark Lord, sure he could use a kind of magic!


*It's a kind of maaagiiiic...*

Hey, he's the Dark Lord, sure he could use a kind of magic!


*It's a kind of maaagiiiic...*

hahahahaha

I'm a travesty of sort...an Ultra-conservative who thinks Obama is just plain cool :tongue:

Killing another human being is quite a legitimate excuse for government involvement.

The economy, which consists of voluntary transactions among individuals, is not.

Fine, when everyone is pregnant and working at McDonalds, you can cry hurrah.

Because, you have not familiarized yourself with the writings of emminent russian-american philosopher Ayn Rand.

If you had, you wouldn't be such an enormous douche.

I'll familiarise with the writings of eminent russian-american philosopher Ayn Rand this evening: I ran out of toilet paper.

perhaps, but at the same time, I think the extra effort I take to personally do so adds a special touch to it.

True. I wonder if there's a nation named A = A Motherfukia yes.

I don't get why the government should stay clear out of economy, but should meddle in the private issues about the private body of a woman's.
It's a separate individual, not just a part of her own body.

2.Moreover, a government whose sole scope is to enforce ethical standards on people (while everything else is left totally deregulated, mind you) scares me quite a lot.

No, its sole scope is to punish violations of individual rights.

In the case of abortion, an individual is being killed without his consent; therefore, its rights are being violated.

In the case of the economy, individuals are transacting among themselves voluntarily, so no one's rights are being violated.

True. I wonder if there's a nation named A = A Motherfukia yes.

...hold on to that thought JUST a moment.

I'll familiarise with the writings of eminent russian-american philosopher Ayn Rand this evening: I ran out of toilet paper.

I'm an objectivist and I STILL found that hysterical :hail:

you rang?

you rang?

And Ayn Ra-a-and, Ayn Rand so far a-way-ay-ay...

Oh lordy me, the ironing.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/attachment.php?attachmentid=60943&stc=1&d=1234455029

I haz dun it.

i've been to canada. obama wants to make us canada, give gays rights

I fail to see the problem with that, your Meowliciousness.

It's a separate individual, not just a part of her own body.


This is a crucial point I'd like to discuss.

wiki:foetus
Throughout the fetal stage, the fetus continues to be connected to the placenta by the umbilical cord, which supplies the fetus with oxygenated, nutrient-rich blood from the placenta, and conversely returns the deoxygenated, nutrient-depleted blood to the placenta.

merriam-webster:separate (adjective)
Main Entry: 2sep·a·rate
Pronunciation: \ˈse-p(ə-)rət\
Function: adjective
Date: 15th century
1 a: set or kept apart : detached barchaic : solitary , secluded c: immaterial , disembodied
2 a: not shared with another : individual <separate rooms> b often capitalized : estranged from a parent body <separate churches>
3 a: existing by itself : autonomous <a separate country> b: dissimilar in nature or identity <consulted five separate authorities>
synonyms see distinct

I'd say that we might discuss the foetus being already a human person (hence bearer of some rights) or not... but it clearly ISN'T a separate human individual. The separation from the mother's body happens when the umbilical cord detaches (or is cut). That is, during the process known as birth.

Technically speaking, the foetus is in parasytic relationship with the mother (parasite = "sharing the nourishment", more or less).

The foetus can survive (at least, until the last stages of gestation begin) ONLY if it's attached to the mother. It's not independent, and it isn't an "individual" form of life, yet.



No, its sole scope is to punish violations of individual rights.
In the case of abortion, an individual is being killed without his consent; therefore, its rights are being violated.

1.I just showed you that a foetus isn't an individual.
2.That would be the scope of the judiciary power. By your definition, the government shouldn't command the military, or make new laws: there would be no executive, no legislative. Just the judiciary.
3.In the case of a woman being forced to keep a foetus she didn't want (take rape as extreme example, ok?), her rights to dispose freely of her own body are being violated. Her sexual organs are subject to an unwanted presence. So it qualifies, from a strictly technical point of view, as a ongoing rape.
There is, at the very least, a contrast between two different and conflicting rights.

In the case of the economy, individuals are transacting among themselves voluntarily, so no one's rights are being violated.
Unless there's this little matter of the abuse of dominant position, which influences the market quite a lot.

I fail to see the problem with that, your Meowliciousness.

Them gayz could actually come near you! AYEEEE!!! Remember Sodoma and Gomorrah!

Them gayz could actually come near you! AYEEEE!!! Remember Sodoma and Gomorrah!

"Aaaahhhhlalalalalalalalalala!!!", calls teh Muslimz, gayz and Obama lurverz!:eek:

Them gayz could actually come near you! AYEEEE!!! Remember Sodoma and Gomorrah!

exactly! We should expel them from our homes and refuse to show them kindness and compassion. It's the only way to honor the lesson of Sodom and Gomorrah.

I'm an objectivist and I STILL found that hysterical :hail:

Thanks, buddy. :)

exactly! We should expel them from our homes and refuse to show them kindness and compassion. It's the only way to honor the lesson of Sodom and Gomorrah.

And if people get turned into pillars of salt in the meantime, so much the better.

And if people get turned into pillars of salt in the meantime, so much the better.

Of course, the better to lick you know...:wink:

Of course, the better to lick you know...:wink:

Oh dear.

i don't have drugs. sometimes i do long posts. i am female.
You're also a bit crazy, aren't you?

You're also a bit crazy, aren't you?

I think the better term is 'unhinged'. *nod* You never know if she takes offense and sues you.

exactly! We should expel them from our homes and refuse to show them kindness and compassion. It's the only way to honor the lesson of Sodom and Gomorrah.

I thought that it would be closer to the original text to build a couple of cities in the Nevada desert, putting all them gayz in and nuke them.

Damn economic crisis... it would cost too much...

;)

Of course, the better to lick you know...:wink:

...but... ...but... ...it dissolves!

:p :p :p

Local radio dude has sadly blocked my home and cell number.......I can't call him anymore. My emails go to spam and when I wrote him a letter he read it on air and then said he wiped his ass with it......

he hates me.

Also, in case you didn't know I'm a "fem-nazi socialist", it's shocking I didn't know this about myself.

Also, I got him to admit on air that he was a racist.

Fun times.


You should find his counterpart and display the first "dude's" ignorance for all the listeners to enjoy.

And if people get turned into pillars of salt in the meantime, so much the better.

it amazes me that people can read this story and think the problem with the city was that the crowd wanted to have sex with the (disguised as) male angels and not that they wanted to rape them.

It sorta sends the message that god's ok with the raping, not so much about WHO they were raping. The point about the stories is that the cities were destroyed because of their inhospitability towards strangers, not that they were "teh gay".

And by using the story as an excuse to marginalize gays in the community, the religious right is just as guilty of the behavior that, supposedly, merited destruction of cities.

So much for christian love...

...but... ...but... ...it melts!

:p :p :p

It's alright. I've noticed a trend on NSG, that ANYONE whom Nanatsu suggests that she licks will melt quite a bit.

...but... ...but... ...it melts!

:p :p :p

But... since she's a cat... :tongue:

You're also a bit crazy, aren't you?

http://www.ideagrove.com/blog/uploaded_images/monty_python_witch-701441.jpg

You're a looney

It's alright. I've noticed a trend on NSG, that ANYONE whom Nanatsu suggests that she licks will melt quite a bit.

That ain't Nanatsu no more. Sorry. I ain't licking or suggesting to lick anyone else. It's forbidden. No melty melty from the Spaniard. Ayup. My days as a free, stray cat are over. I am now a broken, house kitteh! DEAL!!!!:D

Besides that, this is about The Obama!

That ain't Nanatsu no more. Sorry. I ain't licking or suggesting to lick anyone else. It's forbidden. No melty melty from the Spaniard. Ayup. My days as a free, stray cat are over. I am now a broken, house kitteh! DEAL!!!!:D

Besides that, this is about The Obama!

Well, that's a relief.

Wait, is Obama licking people now?

Well, that's a relief.

It is.

Wait, is Obama licking people now?

Not to the best of my knowledge, but you never know...

it amazes me that people can read this story and think the problem with the city was that the crowd wanted to have sex with the (disguised as) male angels and not that they wanted to rape them.

It sorta sends the message that god's ok with the raping, not so much about WHO they were raping. The point about the stories is that the cities were destroyed because of their inhospitability towards strangers, not that they were "teh gay".


Aryan Jeez sez: rape is good, ass-rape is bad! Kill them fags! ;)

btw, genderless people disguising themselves as males... wouldn't that classify as crossdressing?

And by using the story as an excuse to marginalize gays in the community, the religious right is just as guilty of the behavior that, supposedly, merited destruction of cities.

So much for christian love...

Don't mix OT and NT...

Aryan Jeez sez: rape is good, ass-rape is bad! Kill them fags! ;)

btw, genderless people disguising themselves as males... wouldn't that classify as crossdressing?


I don't think so. I think it's more like putting pants on a refrigerator.

Not to the best of my knowledge, but you never know...

I don't understand why the presidential couple cannot engage in hot *CENSORED* at the White House. At least, when there aren't guests in the Oval thingy. That would be a bit over the lines.

I don't think so. I think it's more like putting pants on a refrigerator.

Mmhhh... sooo smooth... sooo white... sooo cool... sooo hard... :D

Mmhhh... sooo smooth... sooo white... sooo cool... sooo hard... :D

So...full of condiments? Speaking of which, it's lunch time.

I don't understand why the presidential couple cannot engage in hot *CENSORED* at the White House. At least, when there aren't guests in the Oval thingy. That would be a bit over the lines.

The Ghosts of Clinton and Monica with the pizza and the cigar haunt that Oval thingy.

So...full of condiments?

Nu-tri-cious!

Besides that, this is about The Obama!

Maybe six or seven pages ago, sure. Now, not so much.

it amazes me that people can read this story and think the problem with the city was that the crowd wanted to have sex with the (disguised as) male angels and not that they wanted to rape them.

It sorta sends the message that god's ok with the raping, not so much about WHO they were raping. The point about the stories is that the cities were destroyed because of their inhospitability towards strangers, not that they were "teh gay".

You know, I've always wondered, is the verb translated as "to know" in English the Hebrew verb that means "to have sex with" or the Hebrew verb that actually means "to know"?

So...full of condiments? Speaking of which, it's lunch time.

Not here. It's 18.00 CET.
(btw, I'll have to work till late tonight, I'll stay in the office at least till 20.00)

The Ghosts of Clinton and Monica with the pizza and the cigar haunt that Oval thingy.

I didn't remember the pizza...

now my mind has been blocked by an X-rated thought of a scantly-clad Nanatsu on a 2-metres-diameter pizza...

I'd say that we might discuss the foetus being already a human person (hence bearer of some rights) or not... but it clearly ISN'T a separate human individual.
I wasn't referring to physical separation; sorry if I wasn't clear about that. I was referring to separation in the moral sense.

2.That would be the scope of the judiciary power. By your definition, the government shouldn't command the military,
It would if that military is used to keep out aggressors who wish to violate our rights.

or make new laws:
Precisely. There's one fundamental objectively correct set of laws, and once they're in place there is neither a need nor a valid reason to change them.

3.In the case of a woman being forced to keep a foetus she didn't want (take rape as extreme example, ok?), her rights to dispose freely of her own body are being violated.
That's a pathological case that should be considered separately from the general case.

I wasn't referring to physical separation; sorry if I wasn't clear about that. I was referring to separation in the moral sense.

"Separation in the moral sense" needs at the very least a tighter definition, as "morals" aren't exactly universal.


It would if that military is used to keep out aggressors who wish to violate our rights.

Wait. You here have made a logical jump. You have gone from "individual" rights to "aggressors" vs "our rights". That is, you went from the idea that the rights are only of individuals, to the concept of community/society.
By that, you see that there is something else that should be protected, other than merely "individual rights".


Precisely. There's one fundamental objectively correct set of laws, and once they're in place there is neither a need nor a valid reason to change them.

This "fundamental objectively correct set of laws" being?
Btw, no executive => no taxes, no police, no prisons.

That's a pathological case that should be considered separately from the general case.
Why? Laws should always be made the most "general" possible; judges will apply them to specific cases.

it marshmallow not mellow, at least in my country. not sure about yours

Bahahahahahahahahahahahahaha, NA, even the strange, stream-of-consciousness, insistently-female lolcat-person corrects your spelling. You're doomed. :p

I didn't remember the pizza...

now my mind has been blocked by an X-rated thought of a scantly-clad Nanatsu on a 2-metres-diameter pizza...

Ottieni il pensiero dal tuo sporco testa!:mad:


Hehehe!:tongue: