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(Mods, feel free to merge this elsewhere if need be, but I thought that it was different enough to warrant its own home)

So we now have President (elect) Obama. It really is an historic moment, no matter if you supported him or Sen. McCain. So, here and now, at this moment, how are you feeling? What's the thoughts running through your mind?
Relieved, tentatively hopeful and tired from staying up until 9am and being woken after 4 hours.

Don't worry, I am aware of that mate. What triggered my response was FO's insistence that Obama has a racist agenda against whites. Just because if he/she (FO) had power, he would do something bad to a certain ethnicity. And I'm not making this up, if you read his/her posts, he/she states it plainly.

Mate, love it :D

Yeah I did see that, it was either stupid or deliberate trolling.

Don't worry, I am aware of that mate. What triggered my response was FO's insistence that Obama has a racist agenda against whites. Just because if he/she (FO) had power, he would do something bad to a certain ethnicity. And I'm not making this up, if you read his/her posts, he/she states it plainly.
FO is a troll -- an especially invasive troll who likes to dominate threads with tons and tons of pointless and inflammatory posts. Please do not feed him/her.

Anyone should have his own FO. Surely with the winter coming up...

Well many hypes, technologies, ideas and stuff do really start in USA. Sooner or later they come to Europe. And not only the good stuff. The current international bank crisis started in USA. So what is happening there is really influencing our daily life. I know a couple, serious people, no adventure types, that gave their money to a local bank. It's all gone, because the local bank invested the money in the American trash loans.

This does not, however, justify FO's claims that Obama, being black and in power, will attack white people worldwide.

The U.S. system rewards the most powerful job in its government to the most successful campaigner rather than who is actually best qualified to do the job. Not even a background check--but that is the way it is and is why we sometimes get bobble heads for heads of state.

So, I am concerned. Not worried or disappointed.

So change and hope has been elected. Great, I cannot argue with it and welcome the favorable international opinions and the ramifications it has on racial issues.

Now my only question is HOW? How is he going to prevent the same corruption that existed under 200-2006 republican rule, now that the situations is mirrored? How are you going to keep the hard line Democrat party insiders from railroading the country into a direction that 48% of the country may strongly disagree with, continuing the firece partisanship battles? How well will a relatively inexperienced (but intelligent) president handle an international crisis, especially if facing more experienced adversaries?

Concern.

*Sigh* Where's LG when you need him...

This does not, however, justify FO's claims that Obama, being black and in power, will attack white people worldwide.

No.

But maybe he's really afraid. Maybe he never saw a black man in his entire life and heard all kind of weird stories about.

Maybe he's raised by a Ku Klux Klan father?

Maybe he's just a kid and is he trying to play with the big ones?

Maybe he's just an *sshole or a troll?

But seriously, I forgot FO already. Who's FO anyway?

I feel sick to my stomach.

I feel sick to my stomach.

Good.

I wish I didn't have K of L on my ignore list. I'll bet he wrote something quite classy.

I feel like all my money is gonna go to some poor people. Economic socialism FTL.

Obama sucks. More importantly, the real power (Congress), a Dem majority, sucks more.

I wish I didn't have K of L on my ignore list. I'll bet he wrote something quite classy.

I love how you posted just to tell everyone Im on your ignore list.

I feel sick to my stomach.

Oh, relax. It'll pass in just 8 years. Or longer.

Good won. Enjoy.

Can we have another "how do you feel?" thread a year from now, to see if all these rightwing doomsayers are still sick and scared and depressed after it turns out that Obama has not come and emptied out their bank accounts and wallets to give all their money to undeserving slobs, and that he has not continued all of Bush's policies, and that he has not sold the US off by the yard to our enemies?

Can we have another "how do you feel?" thread a year from now, to see if all these rightwing doomsayers are still sick and scared and depressed after it turns out that Obama has not come and emptied out their bank accounts and wallets to give all their money to undeserving slobs, and that he has not continued all of Bush's policies, and that he has not sold the US off by the yard to our enemies?

In a year from now, you wont be allowed to post because of Shariah *nods*

In a year from now, you wont be allowed to post because of Shariah *nods*
Yeah, but I'll still be able to get a male relative to read the posts aloud in a place where I can hear it, just so long as it doesn't appear as if he is educating a woman. ;)

No.

But maybe he's really afraid. Maybe he never saw a black man in his entire life and heard all kind of weird stories about.

Maybe he's raised by a Ku Klux Klan father?

Maybe he's just a kid and is he trying to play with the big ones?

Maybe he's just an *sshole or a troll?

But seriously, I forgot FO already. Who's FO anyway?

Some opnions should be kept to oneself. And you, playing Devil's Advocate, does not pass.

I'm gonna sum it up for me simply - Obama won, and I'm glad he did, because I like the Democrats, and I hope he does a good job. :)

I was watching the Fox coverage last night, and after they called California for Obama, and thus the presidency, they kept cutting to a particular shot of the crowd in Chicago, and I finally noticed why. Jesse Jackson was standing there in the middle of a group of apparently ordinary citizens, almost hidden from view. His eyes were a little wet, and I could almost see the pride in him for Barack Obama. Now far be it from me to agree with Jesse Jackson on anything, and any other time I might have asked myself if he was crying because it wasn't him up on stage accepting victory, but at that moment the pride in my country swelled up in me too, because it was evident that Jesse Jackson was just a private citizen proud of his country for what she had just done.

And during Barack Obama's speech, I got a little something in my eye. "While we breathe, we hope." Amazing. He truly is a speaker on par with Dr. King. I just hope he leaves all that socialism on the campaign trail and comes to the middle.

*Sigh* Where's LG when you need him...
Eating ballot papers?

Can we have another "how do you feel?" thread a year from now, to see if all these rightwing doomsayers are still sick and scared and depressed after it turns out that Obama has not come and emptied out their bank accounts and wallets to give all their money to undeserving slobs, and that he has not continued all of Bush's policies, and that he has not sold the US off by the yard to our enemies?

Or where the Liberals of the world point and laugh at the horrific state of the union.

http://politicalpartypoop.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/04/democrats6.jpg

http://politicaldemotivation.files.wordpress.com/2008/06/obama_handout.jpg

Eating ballot papers?

Sounds like him. :D

In a year from now, you wont be allowed to post because of Shariah *nods*

Homosexual Stalinist Shariah. ;)

Or where the Liberals of the world point and laugh at the horrific state of the union.

You mean the horrific state of the union BUSH left?

I'm here to argue, not to laugh.

Neither am I. And you seem to be one of millions who fails to understand that the majority of power is wielded by Congress, not the president. Still, I will reference the fact that the US should pull out of Chicago. In the last six months, 292 were killed (murdered) in Chicago; 221 were killed in Iraq. Senators Barack Obama & Dick Durbin, Rep. Jesse Jackson Jr., Gov. Rod Blogojevich, House leader Mike Madigan, Atty. Gen. Lisa Madig - our leadership in Illinois - all Democrats.

EDIT: Actually, no, I am here to laugh. I find it so funny that this forum spouts the same "Bush sucks" drivel as the rest of the internet. Those of you who are American, you can thank the current capitalist economic system for having a computer to begin with.

Neither am I. And you seem to be one of millions who fails to understand that the majority of power is wielded by Congress, not the president. Still, I will reference the fact that the US should pull out of Chicago. In the last six months, 292 were killed (murdered) in Chicago; 221 were killed in Iraq. Senators Barack Obama & Dick Durbin, Rep. Jesse Jackson Jr., Gov. Rod Blogojevich, House leader Mike Madigan, Atty. Gen. Lisa Madig - our leadership in Illinois - all Democrats.

That post is below my criteria for answering due to intense lack of internal logic. If you wish me to bestow upon you the honor of answering your posts, kindly improve them.

I had tears in my eyes watching Obama's victory speech, for the first time in my life.

I take special comfort in knowing that when I go back home, I will land in a United States of America which elected that man by a landslide, and it will be a sweet homecoming.

Neither am I. And you seem to be one of millions who fails to understand that the majority of power is wielded by Congress, not the president. Still, I will reference the fact that the US should pull out of Chicago. In the last six months, 292 were killed (murdered) in Chicago; 221 were killed in Iraq. Senators Barack Obama & Dick Durbin, Rep. Jesse Jackson Jr., Gov. Rod Blogojevich, House leader Mike Madigan, Atty. Gen. Lisa Madig - our leadership in Illinois - all Democrats.

EDIT: Actually, no, I am here to laugh. I find it so funny that this forum spouts the same "Bush sucks" drivel as the rest of the internet. Those of you who are American, you can thank the current capitalist economic system for having a computer to begin with.
You're funny.

You're funny.

"Funny" is not quite the word I'd use, but let's go with that.

Intense lack of internal logic? Do you think you're intelligent, bro? Do you have college professors tell you that you're writing at a dissertation level as a Senior in high school?

It is logical. For all the BS about the war in Iraq, any given urban center in the U.S. is just as bad, if not worse. If you don't believe me, just look up homicide numbers.

Your attempted aloofness is a failure on so many levels. Maybe you shouldn't make judgments about other countries. You don't deserve to be in this discussion.

EDIT: I can tell this place is full of starry-eyed trust fund babies who spout Liberal fru-fru rhetoric. Open your eyes. The left empirically fails in all attempts:

- Communism: Russia
- Universal Health Care: Oh sure, it's free, but how long do you have to wait? If it isn't life-threatening, it can wait... a year.
- Economic Socialism: Notice the size of countries who preach it. They can't compare.

Neither am I. And you seem to be one of millions who fails to understand that the majority of power is wielded by Congress, not the president. Still, I will reference the fact that the US should pull out of Chicago. In the last six months, 292 were killed (murdered) in Chicago; 221 were killed in Iraq. Senators Barack Obama & Dick Durbin, Rep. Jesse Jackson Jr., Gov. Rod Blogojevich, House leader Mike Madigan, Atty. Gen. Lisa Madig - our leadership in Illinois - all Democrats.

EDIT: Actually, no, I am here to laugh. I find it so funny that this forum spouts the same "Bush sucks" drivel as the rest of the internet. Those of you who are American, you can thank the current capitalist economic system for having a computer to begin with.

The 221 in Iraq, is that including Iraqi people?

No, we wouldn't. First, at least half of us have always thought he was a disaster in every possible way, from the first day of his first term. Second, at least half of the other half came around to thinking the same seeing how our country came apart at the seams over his second term.

Agreed. I never voted for Bush. From day one, I was dubious about him. His cake (tax cuts) for everyone. Made me skeptical. Don't get me wrong, nothng wrong with a tax cut. But with a tax cut something in funding gets cut along the way. Then the war on terror and the war in Iraq made me scratch my head, when the tax cuts remained and instead we started borrow money from China and other nations. The nation seemed to follow this patten and went crazy on credit and borrowing.


How do I feel about this election? Last night, in the Election Day thread, I said I felt as if my country had just taken a big step back from the edge of a cliff that we had been just about to step off of.

Before last night, I had been pessimistic about what Americans would do. I did not believe that the majority of Americans would vote for a black man -- I really didn't. I didn't think Americans would vote across party lines and against the pull of ideology.

I was wrong, and I have never been more happy to be wrong about anything in my life. I am more happy than I can say that I seriously underestimated my fellow Americans. They showed themselves to be a lot more mature and aware than I had thought they were. I feel a lot less alone than I did before. I feel more hopeful now about how we're going to approach the problems we have to deal with. A lot more hopeful.

I agree. whole heartedly. Plus we proved the pundents wrong and shot the Bradely effect down the toilet. I am so happy that we proved that issues mattered more over ideology.

another 4 years down the drain

Your attempted aloofness is a failure on so many levels. Maybe you shouldn't make judgments about other countries. You don't deserve to be in this discussion.

I will make judgments about whatever I wish, whenever I wish, how I wish. And I will be in any discussion. To win them against your kind. The kind of person that claims Bush equals capitalism and Democrats equal socialism. Please.

The 221 in Iraq, is that including Iraqi people?

Don't try the 'innocent blood' route. The point is, Chicago is bloodier than Iraq. All of Chicago's deaths are civvies or innocents (okay, the occasional thug in a turf war). Some of the Iraqi casualties are U.S. soldiers and some are Iraqi insurgents.

How am I feeling? I'm relieved that Michele Obama can find a reason to continue having pride in her country.

How else? I'm wondering when buyer's remorse is going to set in with a large number of Obama supporters.

Last? I'm wondering what the conservative recovery plan will be.

How am I feeling? I'm relieved that Michele Obama can find a reason to continue having pride in her country.

How else? I'm wondering when buyer's remorse is going to set in with a large number of Obama supporters.

Last? I'm wondering what the conservative recovery plan will be.

I never cared much about Obama, except as a means to keep Republicans off power.

Personally, I think that America made a big cock-up by electing Obama to the office of President.

For starters, like Clinton, Carter and other wimpy Democrats before him, Obama is going to pander to dictators and expect that all you need to do to placate them is get them around the camp-fire and play Kumbaya. Unfortunately, that doesn't work

Secondly, let us not forget that in the summer, he suggested that the best way to keep your fuel bills down is to keep your tyres inflated - that is just like Jimmy Carter walking around the White House with a jersey on.

Of course, I could go on, but I am not going to.

Because you can't. You've got nothing important to say.

Because we've seen what becomes of invasion-as-foreign-policy. Well, most of us have, anyway.

I will make judgments about whatever I wish, whenever I wish, how I wish. And I will be in any discussion. To win them against your kind. The kind of person that claims Bush equals capitalism and Democrats equal socialism. Please.

No... you don't get it, do you? BUSH HAD NO POWER, NOOB! IT WAS ALL CONGRESS! Nowhere did I say that Democrats = socialism. All U.S. politicians are some shade of capitalist. Some are more left than others, though - IE Obama.

GFG, it's like talking to a wall. A wall whose sole purpose in life is to exterminate all who oppose it (note bold text of quote). My kind? Wow, who's a political extremist now?

Intense lack of internal logic? Do you think you're intelligent, bro? Do you have college professors tell you that you're writing at a dissertation level as a Senior in high school?

It is logical. For all the BS about the war in Iraq, any given urban center in the U.S. is just as bad, if not worse. If you don't believe me, just look up homicide numbers.

Your attempted aloofness is a failure on so many levels. Maybe you shouldn't make judgments about other countries. You don't deserve to be in this discussion.



I'm trying to figure out what you're trying to say here... are you advocating to send Americans to Iraq cause they'll be safer there, or are you calling for them to be brought back home so they can be killed on US soil?

I never cared much about Obama, except as a means to keep Republicans off power.
I forgot one thing... I'm relieved the rest of the world doesn't see us as so arrogant anymore. That one really kept me up nights.

Don't try the 'innocent blood' route. The point is, Chicago is bloodier than Iraq. All of Chicago's deaths are civvies or innocents (okay, the occasional thug in a turf war). Some of the Iraqi casualties are U.S. soldiers and some are Iraqi insurgents.

The last few years, over 1 million, I repeat ONE MILLION Iraqi lost their life in this 'smart and safe' war.

Do you try to make me believe that Chicago lost the same amount of people in the given time?

I'm trying to figure out what you're trying to say here... are you advocating to send Americans to Iraq cause they'll be safer there, or are you calling for them to be brought back home so they can be killed on US soil?

It was supposed to be rhetoric stating that cities where Democrats reign supreme have more death than battlefields.

The last few years, over 1 million, I repeat ONE MILLION Iraqi lost their life in this 'smart and safe' war.

Do you try to make me believe that Chicago lost the same amount of people in the given time?

One million? You want to give me evidence for that?

Well, I'm a bit hung over (but not much at this point), I'm exhausted from only getting about 2 hours of sleep after celebrating, my voice is hoarse from the cheering and the singing and the shouting, I'm still a bit sticky from champagne, and some beer that got one me while dancing, and even with all that...

I couldn't be happier. It's truly an amazing feeling.

As much as I differ from Obama ideologically, I was quite pleased to learn of his victory. My reaction surprised me, really. I actually felt proud to be an American, something that doesn't happen as often as it should. He may not be the exact kind of President I want, but I'm sure we're a lot better off with him.

It was supposed to be rhetoric stating that cities where Democrats reign supreme have more death than battlefields.

I still don't quite get it... are you claiming that the Democrats turn them into war zones?
When was war declared on Chicago? :confused:

He mentioned something about his money going to poor people, and that being economic socialism.... I thought I would point something out.

Obama's top tax rate: 39%. (More or less where it was under Clinton)

Ronald Reagan's top tax rate, 1981-1986: 50%.

Ronald Reagan was a socialist?

One million? You want to give me evidence for that?


We can count them together, if you want.

But what's evidence?

Over One Million Iraqi Deaths Caused by US Occupation

http://www.projectcensored.org/top-stories/articles/1-over-one-million-iraqi-deaths-caused-by-us-occupation/

On Friday, September 14, 2007, ORB (Opinion Research Business), an independent polling agency located in London, published estimates of the total war casualties in Iraq since the US-led invasion of Iraq in 2003.[1] At over 1.2 million deaths (1,220,580), this estimate is the highest number published so far, outnumbering even the death toll of the recent Rwandan genocide

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ORB_survey_of_Iraq_War_casualties


And all our local newspapers, including the tabloid and quality newspapers are using the samer amounts on their front pages.

Eh I'm indifference to Obama winning. Not excited, not mad....just indifferent.

I forgot one thing... I'm relieved the rest of the world doesn't see us as so arrogant anymore. That one really kept me up nights.

He knows you don't have the RIGHT to invade hapless countries without a reason.

Last? I'm wondering what the conservative recovery plan will be.
Laugh as Obama has to endure a pretty messed up economy, which will recover to an extent by the end of his term, when they will get into power again.

No... you don't get it, do you? BUSH HAD NO POWER, NOOB! IT WAS ALL CONGRESS!

*shakes head* Bush proved his lack of knowledge on governance. He could have done so much more to keep the US from falling into the Credit and mortgage crises. He could have ralied his party to take mesasures to stop it. He could have beat the bully pulpet and applied better measures than the weak bank favored measures he applied to the crises. The proof of how he managed to put forward power over congress was to call them forward to bring forth the bailout of Wall Street. He made both parties sit and confrence together and when the republicans refused to act, he sent Cheney to try and add pressure. That's what a president can do when things get tough. So stop trying to say it's ALL Congress. It's not.

But it's not all the President either. If anyone understands the American political system it's congress and the president who try and work together in a share of power. That's how our founding fathers planned our nation as they were dubious of any one getting too much power.

It was supposed to be rhetoric stating that cities where Democrats reign supreme have more death than battlefields.



One million? You want to give me evidence for that?
You admit that your bullshit about Chicago was just "rhetoric", yet you demand a source for someone else's assertions? Adorable.

Almost as adorable as the utter lack of relationship between any of your sentences. Are you using a random talking point generator to compose your posts?

He does know the Republicans controlled Congress up until late 2006?

How else? I'm wondering when buyer's remorse is going to set in with a large number of Obama supporters.

There isn't going be any, Obama's going to be a great President.

Myrm, the Democrats are going to be in power for MANY MANY more years. The sooner you makes your peace with that, the happier you'll be.

Laugh as Obama has to endure a pretty messed up economy, which will recover to an extent by the end of his term, when they will get into power again.

Term? Terms, terms.

Term? Terms, terms.
Probably term. Depends if the economy gets sorted out sharpish.

I wish I knew more about American politics - it's all confusing to me.

Probably term. Depends if the economy gets sorted out sharpish.

Nah, he's got the charisma to carry him through, unless the economy implodes completely.

We can count them together, if you want.

But what's evidence?

Over One Million Iraqi Deaths Caused by US Occupation

http://www.projectcensored.org/top-stories/articles/1-over-one-million-iraqi-deaths-caused-by-us-occupation/

On Friday, September 14, 2007, ORB (Opinion Research Business), an independent polling agency located in London, published estimates of the total war casualties in Iraq since the US-led invasion of Iraq in 2003.[1] At over 1.2 million deaths (1,220,580), this estimate is the highest number published so far, outnumbering even the death toll of the recent Rwandan genocide

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ORB_survey_of_Iraq_War_casualties


And all our local newspapers, including the tabloid and quality newspapers are using the samer amounts on their front pages.

Great. Estimates. Estimates also projected that there were WMDs in the Middle East. And that the Flying Spaghetti Monster exists.

FACTS say that between 2001 and 2005, 81634 murders occurred. An additional 6472 Americans dead from terrorism. 17030 and 16929 died in murders over the past two years, and 2008 hasn't yet closed. That makes it 122,065 dead in America from murder of some form.

You admit that your bullshit about Chicago was just "rhetoric", yet you demand a source for someone else's assertions? Adorable.

Almost as adorable as the utter lack of relationship between any of your sentences. Are you using a random talking point generator to compose your posts?

'Rhetoric' means 'a statement with a self-evident truth'. Don't believe the numbers, look them up. I also have multiple parts per post because I want to answer each and every one of your Liberal bullshit posts.

*shakes head* Bush proved his lack of knowledge on governance. He could have done so much more to keep the US from falling into the Credit and mortgage crises. He could have ralied his party to take mesasures to stop it. He could have beat the bully pulpet and applied better measures than the weak bank favored measures he applied to the crises. The proof of how he managed to put forward power over congress was to call them forward to bring forth the bailout of Wall Street. He made both parties sit and confrence together and when the republicans refused to act, he sent Cheney to try and add pressure. That's what a president can do when things get tough. So stop trying to say it's ALL Congress. It's not.

But it's not all the President either. If anyone understands the American political system it's congress and the president who try and work together in a share of power. That's how our founding fathers planned our nation as they were dubious of any one getting too much power.

Congress holds a shit-ton of power, dude. I say "It was ALL CONGRESS" because, well, the President doesn't declare war, write laws, have the power to impeach himself, or any of a plethora of other abilities.


I don't think my sentence structure matters here. The fact that a single one of me is taking on all you leftist idealists is hilarious. Or adorable, depending on who you ask.

I'm glad the election season is over. We have a new President coming and we all have to support him.

But I'm in "wait and see" mode. If he's all he's cracked up to be, we'll be alright.

I'm quite glad that Palin is no longer a heartbeat away from the presidency...as for Obama, well I'm reasonably pleased but I hope he can live up to his rhetoric.

At the moment, a mix of drunken excstasy and anger.

Drunken because I've been celebrating for the last 12 hours.

Exstacy because I've been bouncing off the walls. (To give a general idea, when I was giving the union presentation to the new teachers this afternoon, I broke the news to them and there were jubulant applause.)

Anger at things like this post from a member of an entierly different forum, whom I had respected before this election:
[cue funeral dirge]
Only I fear there won't be an America, as I know it, to come back to.

I firmly believe this nation will be destroyed within the next four years.
[/cue funeral dirge]

Congress holds a shit-ton of power, dude. I say "It was ALL CONGRESS" because, well, the President doesn't declare war, write laws, have the power to impeach himself, or any of a plethora of other abilities.


I don't think my sentence structure matters here. The fact that a single one of me is taking on all you leftist idealists is hilarious. Or adorable, depending on who you ask.

True, but it's suppose to be a joint partnership you NOOB. The Congress passes the bills the President signs them or Vetos them. Then it goes back and congress has to try and overrule it. Which can be difficult at times to do. Sometimes it gets overruled sometimes it doesn't.

Plus the powers of war have gotten a bit blurred over the years. The President can make war but then has to get approval for it. You really don't understand the US political system do you?

Pff.... no you'e just making an idiot of yourself, depending whether you choose to accept that.

He knows you don't have the RIGHT to invade hapless countries without a reason.

I hope this was not the reason the people vote for him :)

'Rhetoric' means 'a statement with a self-evident truth'.
Wrong. Merriam-Webster, a dictionary of standard English says:
Main Entry: rhet·o·ric

1: the art of speaking or writing effectively: as a: the study of principles and rules of composition formulated by critics of ancient times b: the study of writing or speaking as a means of communication or persuasion 2 a: skill in the effective use of speech b: a type or mode of language or speech ; also : insincere or grandiloquent language3: verbal communication : discourse

Don't believe the numbers, look them up.
Wrong again. You make an assertion = the burden is on you to back it up. If you have actual numbers up your -- well, wherever you get your information from -- kindly post them. The "put up or shut up" rule doesn't change just because the election is over. No matter how pissed off you are that the rightwing lost the White House, it's still not our job to prove your arguments for you.

I also have multiple parts per post because I want to answer each and every one of your Liberal bullshit posts.
You might want to wait until you come up with something to say.

No... you don't get it, do you? BUSH HAD NO POWER, NOOB! IT WAS ALL CONGRESS!
True, but it's suppose to be a joint partnership you NOOB. ...
Pff.... no you'e just making an idiot of yourself, depending whether you choose to accept that.
The use of the term "Noob" in political discussion automatically makes both of your your positions invalid. Contrary to popular opinion, the CounterStrike approach to diplomacy is not renowned for its philosophical integrity.

The use of the term "Noob" in political discussion automatically makes both of your your positions invalid. Contrary to popular opinion, the CounterStrike approach to diplomacy is not renowned for its philosophical integrity.

True, I got carried away in my debate. *looks skyward* :$ I appologize. Name callng isn't really the greatest way to make a point. I just sort of lost my head.

I'm tired, my chest hurts and my knees are sore

Murder numbers: http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/uscrime.htm

I'm pissed off because I am NOT lower class, and I like it that way. Maybe the lower class people should have less children. Then, they wouldn't have to live on welfare and food stamps, and under Obama, take all the money from those who WORK for it.

The definition of rhetoric is a controversial subject within the field and has given rise to philological battles over its meaning in Ancient Greece. See, for instance, Johnstone, Henry W. Jr. (1995). "On Schiappa versus Poulakos." Rhetoric Review. 14:2. (Spring), 438-440. It has no concrete meaning, and if you've heard the term, 'political rhetoric', use contextual reasoning.

The use of the term "Noob" in political discussion automatically makes both of your your positions invalid. Contrary to popular opinion, the CounterStrike approach to diplomacy is not renowned for its philosophical integrity.

I'm sorry. It's difficult having a genius IQ. My people skills evidently need some work.

Murder numbers: http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/uscrime.htm
What does this tell us? It's just an overview of general state and national numbers.

What does it have to do with your assertion that Chicago is more dangerous for Americans than Iraq? Nothing.

What does it have to do with your assertion that Democrat-led cities have higher murder rates? Nothing.

You fail.

I'm pissed off because I am NOT lower class, and I like it that way. Maybe the lower class people should have less children. Then, they wouldn't have to live on welfare and food stamps, and under Obama, take all the money from those who WORK for it.
HAHAHAHAHA!!! Priceless. This is a comedy routine, right? How does it play in stand-up? I'll bet you have your audiences peeing themselves.

The definition of rhetoric is a controversial subject within the field and has given rise to philological battles over its meaning in Ancient Greece. See, for instance, Johnstone, Henry W. Jr. (1995). "On Schiappa versus Poulakos." Rhetoric Review. 14:2. (Spring), 438-440. It has no concrete meaning, and if you've heard the term, 'political rhetoric', use contextual reasoning.
AAAAHHH-HAHAHAHAHAHA!!! Stop it, you're killin' me, I'm dyin' *gasps between laughs*

Okay *deep breath, clear throat, wipe away tears* just for more laughs, tell me, what field are you talking about?

I'm sorry. It's difficult having a genius IQ. My people skills evidently need some work.
*spits coffee* That's it! I want you for a pet. Can I keep you? Can I? Huh?

that's it, I'm calling Poe.

that's it, I'm calling Poe.
What is this Poe rule? "Poe" is not enough to google with.

I'm tired, my chest hurts and my knees are sore

Sounds like you've had a bad day.

that's it, I'm calling Poe.

After reading this, I just itch to read The Raven again. I know this has nothing to do with Edgar Allan Poe, but boy I can't help it.

It's difficult having a genius IQ.

Especially when it's fantasized.

Many AmericANS - NOT JUST BLACK AMERICANS CRIED LAST NIGHT.
I don't know about tears of liberation, but I was among those Americans who got a bit teary and even let a few drops go last night.

I really didn't like Obama or McCain so I didn't have strong feelings either way, thus I wasn't really upset or anything when Obama won.....I was just, meh. But then I, as a Nationalist, just really took pride in how proud people were of their country. I mean this country just exploded (in a good way) and it really hit me.

So then when McCain gave his speech, it was really strong and (ironically his best speech of the campaign:p) I felt like, ok, I'm gonna try to just support Obama and start things off good with this presidency.

Then Obama spoke.

Through the course of his speech, I was transformed from political opponent to political supporter, and I don't think there is a bigger transformation than that. Perhaps from Muslim to Jew, but that's it. :p

I felt like, yeah I don't agree with his politics or his economics, but I think he is smart enough to hopefully figure out what to do with this country. I felt like, yeah I didn't vote for him, I voted for McCain (well actually, FOR political checks and balances between the Presidency and Congress) but you know what the Democrat revolution just came and might as well support it and hope it helps rather than hurts us. If he and the Dems really do fuck it, it will only help my party anyway, who I hope is re-building their foundation around real conservatism and none of this neo-con garbage.

So through the course of his speech, I was smiling, talking to my friends about how we should support him now and give him the benefit of the doubt, and I felt like I wasn't the only one to feel like this. His speech was wonderful, magnificant and for me, it felt like America's "Republicans vs. Democrats" really just, stopped, atleast for the moment. I felt a sense of unity in the country that I haven't felt, maybe ever.

So then he ended his speech, during which I was teary eyed, and then the music began to play. And it just showed how happy people were, all around the nation. Even in the far reaches of the globe. And I couldn't help but let a few tears go and be proud of my country.

I don't know about tears of liberation, but I was among those Americans who got a bit teary and even let a few tears drop last night.

I really didn't like Obama or McCain so I didn't have strong feelings either way, thus I wasn't really upset or anything when Obama won.....I was just, meh. But then I, as a Nationalist, just really took pride in how proud people were of their country. I mean this country just exploded (in a good way) and it really hit me.

So then when McCain gave his speech, it was really strong and (ironically his best speech of the campaign:p) I felt like, ok, I'm gonna try to just support Obama and start things off good with this presidency.

Then Obama spoke.

Through the course of his speech, I was transformed from political opponent to political supporter, and I don't think there is a bigger transformation than that. Perhaps from Muslim to Jew, but that's it. :p

I felt like, yeah I don't agree with his politics or his economics, but I think he is smart enough to hopefully figure out what to do with this country. I felt like, yeah I didn't vote for him, I voted for McCain (well actually, FOR political checks and balances between the Presidency and Congress) but you know what the Democrat revolution just came and might as well support it and hope it helps as rather than hurts us. If he and the Dems really do fuck it, it will only help my party anyway, who I hope is re-building their foundation around real conservatism and none of this neo-con garbage.

So through the course of his speech, I was smiling, talking to my friends about how we should support him now and give him the benefit of the doubt, and I felt like I wasn't the only one to feel like this. His speech was wonderful, magnificant and for me, it felt like America's "Republicans vs. Democrats" really just, stopped, atleast for the moment. I felt a sense of unity in the country that I haven't felt, maybe ever.

So then he ended his speech, during which I was teary eyed, and then the music began to play. And it just showed how happy people were, all aroun tthe nation. Even in the far reaches of the globe. And I couldn't help but let a few tears go and be proud of my country.

The joy of your nation is echoed around the globe. I am glad, looking at this far recess of mine, that Obama is the new President of the US.

Wow, TAI. I honestly never expected you to say something like that. I feel kind of reality-checked. I have often dismissed you as someone whose views are so counter to everything I believe in that there could never be common ground, but fuck-hell, it's a new day, isn't it? Yes, it's true, I will still likely oppose you on countless points, but this reminds me that, once upon a time, being opponents did not make people enemies. So, here's to the next chapter, eh, neighbor?

The joy of your nation is echoed around the globe. I am glad, looking at this far recess of mine, that Obama is the new President of the US.
Yeah, I know.

I am too.

What is this Poe rule? "Poe" is not enough to google with.

Poe's Law (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Poe%27s+Law)

Wow, TAI. I honestly never expected you to say something like that. I feel kind of reality-checked. I have often dismissed you as someone whose views are so counter to everything I believe in that there could never be common ground, but fuck-hell, it's a new day, isn't it? Yes, it's true, I will still likely oppose you on countless points, but this reminds me that, once upon a time, being opponents did not make people enemies. So, here's to the next chapter, eh, neighbor?
To the next chapter.

*raises glass*

And to reviving the old days of debate between rivals instead of arguement between enemies.

Poe's Law (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Poe%27s+Law)
Ah, thanks. Well, we'll see. If GLT is satirizing, then he may use my responses to further it. :)

To the next chapter.

*raises glass*

And to reviving the old days of debate between rivals instead of arguement between enemies.
Hear, hear. *clink*

*raises glass of Grey goose*
*mumbles incoherently with slurring*
*falls flat on face while somehow retaining grey goose in upright position.*

Americans have chosen a transformational leader to guide us into a new era. The newly President-elect, with the guise of hope and a renewed sense of nationalism, will take steps to improve economic prosperity, quality of life, and restore the respect that this country once commanded around the world. One can acquiesce that this journey will have crests and troughs. One man can not bring the change that we so desire. But with determination and a strong backbone of values, we can and will obtain our goals. Regardless of our personal political preferences, we must now stand together in a show of solidarity. For it will take all of us, living our lives with the paradigm of altruism and sense of pride, to help this country reach its potential.

I forgot one thing... I'm relieved the rest of the world doesn't see us as so arrogant anymore. That one really kept me up nights.

It will definately improve U.S.A efforts internationally (hell, if a Repub had been elected president again I would have tried to push my own country to be more distant).

So then he ended his speech, during which I was teary eyed, and then the music began to play. And it just showed how happy people were, all around the nation. Even in the far reaches of the globe. And I couldn't help but let a few tears go and be proud of my country.

:D

To the next chapter.

*raises glass*

And to reviving the old days of debate between rivals instead of arguement between enemies.

:::Drinks to this:::

Not the Red States of America, not the Blue States of America...

The United States of America!

Laugh as Obama has to endure a pretty messed up economy, which will recover to an extent by the end of his term, when they will get into power again.

But they are going to need someone to lead them to it in 2010. I think Romney ought to forget about the Presidency for a while, run for Senate, and do a "Newt" on Congress. Another Contract with America would be a good start.

(Mods, feel free to merge this elsewhere if need be, but I thought that it was different enough to warrant its own home)

So we now have President (elect) Obama. It really is an historic moment, no matter if you supported him or Sen. McCain. So, here and now, at this moment, how are you feeling? What's the thoughts running through your mind?

As for me, I still have my doubts about President Obama, but I was willing to let him have a whack at it. But I will tell you all this, my son is 1-years-old (and a bit). He is the child of a Japanese mother and a White American father, so both bi-racial and multi-national. Tonight I am proud that when my son is old enough to start to understand the concept of what the president of the United States is, the man who will be holding that office will be just like him and that if he ever asks if he could every grow up to be president, I can honestly say YES!

I'm still in shock. I spent the night thinking, over and over, 'we did it!' Give me until the weekend, then I'll probably be dancing in the (ass cold by then) streets!

Where do you live, Ferrous?

He's The Artist Formerly Known As The Potato Factory.

He's The Artist Formerly Known As The Potato Factory.

I see.

(Mods, feel free to merge this elsewhere if need be, but I thought that it was different enough to warrant its own home)

So we now have President (elect) Obama. It really is an historic moment, no matter if you supported him or Sen. McCain. So, here and now, at this moment, how are you feeling? What's the thoughts running through your mind?

As for me, I still have my doubts about President Obama, but I was willing to let him have a whack at it. But I will tell you all this, my son is 1-years-old (and a bit). He is the child of a Japanese mother and a White American father, so both bi-racial and multi-national. Tonight I am proud that when my son is old enough to start to understand the concept of what the president of the United States is, the man who will be holding that office will be just like him and that if he ever asks if he could every grow up to be president, I can honestly say YES!

I feel like we once again have a Republic if we can keep it. And that's the real kicker: Obama is just the first step towards rolling up our sleeves and cleaning up the detritus of the last few decades-worth of neglect by both parties. It's important to remember in all this that this project is likely going to last our entire adult lives, and we very well may not live to see the fruits of our labors. Whether we will be able to do that, or whether we'll be dragged back into round 2 of the culture wars, or if we pass this cup on to the next generation, remains to be seen. But at the same time, as Confucius said, a journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step. We just took a big first step last night, and I'm proud that we were able to do so. It beats the hell out of the feeling like I was the last centurion guarding Rome while everyone else was taking apart the city brick by brick.

I feel cheated.

Even though Obama was fairly elected?

Yep. Sorry, but you shit on an entire race for two hundreds years, and then give them absolute power, they're going to crush you. And I don't trust Obama to stop with white Americans; I reckon he'll come here.

So, you think if a woman is elected President, out of revenge, she'll go after men and crush them?

Please, your logic is non-existent.

By and large, people succeed in politics because they play by the rules of the ruling class - that's how they get and keep power. The ruling class in America is still white and male - if Obama wants to keep power, he'll have to live by their rules because he doesn't have absolute power.

Ok, I've fed the troll. Shame on me.

So, you think if a woman is elected President, out of revenge, she'll go after men and crush them?

Please, your logic is non-existent.

By and large, people succeed in politics because they play by the rules of the ruling class - that's how they get and keep power. The ruling class in America is still white and male - if Obama wants to keep power, he'll have to live by their rules because he doesn't have absolute power.

Ok, I've fed the troll. Shame on me.

It's The Potato Factory. A bitter, angry emo Romper Stompers wannabe who misses the days of the Axis of Complicity (Bush, Blair and Howard).

And as an aside, did anyone see the Ad that's suggesting Obama "bought" the Election? Wow, and I thought McCain's supporters at the concession speech were sore losers.

And as an aside, did anyone see the Ad that's suggesting Obama "bought" the Election? Wow, and I thought McCain's supporters at the concession speech were sore losers.

For the next year at least you'll be hearing how it was stolen by ACORN or some other such nonsense by fringe groups and O'riely/Hanity.

I think it was a risky choice. Not because of his race, but because of his views on the Second Amendment and his policy to cut military pay. But, on the other hand, I think he'll be a better choice because personally, I don't think I can handle another "Bush" in office. Sorry McCain, you're just too much of a clone for me to trust.

I am feeling very good about the elections. I like Obama and think he will do well, but even if he doesnt at least we kept another neocon out of office. Had Mcain not sold his sould to the neocons It would not have been such an easy desicion for me who to vote for.

He's The Artist Formerly Known As The Potato Factory.

that means nothing to me lol

that means nothing to me lol

That's because you weren't here when The Potato Factory was whining and churning out starch.

his policy to cut military pay.

Hmmmm....

Fuck.

Yep. Sorry, but you shit on an entire race for two hundreds years, and then give them absolute power, they're going to crush you. And I don't trust Obama to stop with white Americans; I reckon he'll come here.

First of all he doesn't have absolute power and never will. As for the rest you realize he is half white. This may not seem signifigant to you but as a biracial man he actually represents unity of white and minorities(I know its a revelation:D). Any hoo we got to get over this fear mongering the black America will get back at us. They have far more important issues to deal with, and so do we.

So we now have President (elect) Obama. It really is an historic moment, no matter if you supported him or Sen. McCain. So, here and now, at this moment, how are you feeling? What's the thoughts running through your mind?


A lot less excited than I should be.

That's because you weren't here when The Potato Factory was whining and churning out starch.

Ahhh I see . . .one of Those eh?

I believe that it is going to take a while to get anything good out of any new president. Obama has his work cut out for him. But until then I think that America is going to have to come to terms with there being a black man for president. But, its not like he is 100% black. But I think that it is time to do right for America. Take care of American's here at home. Not other people in other countries. I am sorry if it is too cruel but the rest of the world has fallen to depend on the U.S. as being the police of the world and expect us to give hand-outs all the time. Now we need to take care of home! And hopefully we will see a lot of that. Get rid of all illegal immigrants and stop giving free money to new immigrants. Lets take care of AMERICANS!!!! And our soldiers!!

... stop giving free money to new immigrants. Lets take care of AMERICANS!!!!

Where do you think Americans come from? They immigrate here from somewhere else. Some of the best, most famous, most productive Americans in our history have been immigrants. Alexander Hamilton, Albert Einstein, Madeline Albright, Henry Kissinger, Andrew Carnegie, Arnold Schwarzenneger, Alexander Graham Bell, Enrico Fermi, Irving Berlin.

That's because you weren't here when The Potato Factory was whining and churning out starch.

IIRC he was Kievan-Prussia before that.

Meh, I feel the same.


I'm a little hungry... but I don't think Obama has much to do with that.

Where do you think Americans come from? They immigrate here from somewhere else. Some of the best, most famous, most productive Americans in our history have been immigrants. Alexander Hamilton, Albert Einstein, Madeline Albright, Henry Kissinger, Andrew Carnegie, Arnold Schwarzenneger, Alexander Graham Bell, Enrico Fermi, Irving Berlin.
hey now bell was a canadian!

I thought he was Scottish/

Where do you think Americans come from? They immigrate here from somewhere else. Some of the best, most famous, most productive Americans in our history have been immigrants. Alexander Hamilton, Albert Einstein, Madeline Albright, Henry Kissinger, Andrew Carnegie, Arnold Schwarzenneger, Alexander Graham Bell, Enrico Fermi, Irving Berlin.

Einstein and Arnie in the same list.

Really? I mean..... really?

Einstein and Arnie in the same list.

Really? I mean..... really?
Arnie + just about any of the others on that list = kinda ironic.

I'm feelin' GREAT!

Well, being a non-American, the effect on me if much lesser. However, I have to take note of it being a milestone that the US has got its first black president. It is a sign of progress and makes me feel like the twenty-first century has properly started.

As someone who wanted Obama to win, I am very pleased.

That said I have 3 related comments:

1: He won, but that doesn't make him the best president ever. He has a long hard road and while I do believe he is up to it, I certainly worry what will happen should he fail. The country needs a lot of TLC at the moment and we will fall very hard should we as a country not be capable of fixing our problems. I hope Obama and the rest of our government can identify the issues, correct them, and get us back on track in so many ways I won' bother to list them here.

2: I never thought John McCain would ruin America. However, several times while he spoke to his people the man just had to shine. Between his corrections of falsehoods about Obama, and his putting down the boos during his speech last night, I can't think of anyone else who projects the vision of the word honorable than John McCain. I hope things go well for him as I think if this loss leads to his exit from our government, it will be a sad thing.

3: Anyone who "hopes" Obama fails and ruins the country.... I hope you are not American. It doesn't make any sense that your best wishes be the ruination of your country because you do not support someone. Why not hope they change parties and go 180 on everything you disagree with? Hoping for failure is a sad thing indeed, and if that is the best you can do then I do feel sorry for your total lack of an imagination.

I thought he was Scottish/

Dual-citizenship I believe. I've been to the museum on Cape Breton island here in Atlantic Canada.

Dual-citizenship I believe. I've been to the museum on Cape Breton island here in Atlantic Canada.

yep . . .like me! lmao

I"M PROUD OF MCCain for his speech last night. I think Obama may be able to pull it out and make this country do some wonderful things. As for the charge of socialism I think that is an exageration.
Think of it this way: When you give more money to the rich, they don't really spend that much, they invest it, which is fine if the economy is already robust and companies need to grow. When you give money to the middle class and the poor they tend to spend it on goods and services. The rich own the companies providing goods and services. Thus the wealthy eventually get their money back and the economy shows improvement. So let's prime the pump and make things work. A few solid infrastructure projects (wind farms, etc.) and grand science experiments (mars landing) would help out too.

I am happy and ecstatic about this election. ^^

As someone who wanted Obama to win, I am very pleased.

That said I have 3 related comments:

1: He won, but that doesn't make him the best president ever. He has a long hard road and while I do believe he is up to it, I certainly worry what will happen should he fail. The country needs a lot of TLC at the moment and we will fall very hard should we as a country not be capable of fixing our problems. I hope Obama and the rest of our government can identify the issues, correct them, and get us back on track in so many ways I won' bother to list them here.

2: I never thought John McCain would ruin America. However, several times while he spoke to his people the man just had to shine. Between his corrections of falsehoods about Obama, and his putting down the boos during his speech last night, I can't think of anyone else who projects the vision of the word honorable than John McCain. I hope things go well for him as I think if this loss leads to his exit from our government, it will be a sad thing.

3: Anyone who "hopes" Obama fails and ruins the country.... I hope you are not American. It doesn't make any sense that your best wishes be the ruination of your country because you do not support someone. Why not hope they change parties and go 180 on everything you disagree with? Hoping for failure is a sad thing indeed, and if that is the best you can do then I do feel sorry for your total lack of an imagination.


Great points- John McCain kept his integrity til the end. His concession speech was honorable and honest.
I believe him when he states he will continue to serve the country he loves and support the new president.

Hoping obama fails for the sake of having your views or opinions vindicated is reprehensible.
I pray Obama can give us a much needed tune up.

I dont think the fundamentals need to be interfered with.

Hoping for failure is selfish and sick.

I'm wondering if Sen. John McCain might become "The Honorable" around Jan. 20. :p
And I'm glad that Obama won.

I was pleased that my children were interested in the election and begged to stay up and watch the results and speeches. I am numb from election day, probably to do with the trip to the emergency room.* It will all seem more real tomorrow maybe.

*while watching the polls close it came up that Obama had taken Colorado and my 7 year old was shocked apparently and choked on her peppermint, then when she stopped breathing and began to turn blue she started frantically running around and I had to chase her to help and then she swallowed it and we thought it was lodged in her windpipe due to wheezing and pain and took her to the ER........she's fine. I'm still anxious though.

(Mods, feel free to merge this elsewhere if need be, but I thought that it was different enough to warrant its own home)

So we now have President (elect) Obama. It really is an historic moment, no matter if you supported him or Sen. McCain. So, here and now, at this moment, how are you feeling? What's the thoughts running through your mind?

As for me, I still have my doubts about President Obama, but I was willing to let him have a whack at it. But I will tell you all this, my son is 1-years-old (and a bit). He is the child of a Japanese mother and a White American father, so both bi-racial and multi-national. Tonight I am proud that when my son is old enough to start to understand the concept of what the president of the United States is, the man who will be holding that office will be just like him and that if he ever asks if he could every grow up to be president, I can honestly say YES!

I feel ill that obama is going to be our next president. Did you vote for a pinko just because of his race?

I feel ill that obama is going to be our next president. Did you vote for a pinko just because of his race?

you're funny.

Did you vote for a pinko just because of his race?

What, do you have something against the pink race?

What, do you have something against the pink race?

kill pinky!

I'm happy that the guy I liked won. I'm proud of my country. I'm excited that minorities are not so minor anymore. I hope that people heed his message of service and sacrifice for their country. I hope that all US Americans and indeed the world works to hold him to his promises.

I'm not as happy that Obama won as I am that McCain didn't.

I'm not feeling all that different from how I felt two weeks ago, or two years ago. I mean, yeah, it's kind of neat, but I'm not sold that this is really so startling. I did not feel the need to go out and bang pots and pans, or honk my car's horn last night.

I, unlike seemingly everyone else, don't think the world has experienced a fundamental change.

Don't get me wrong, I'm a-ok with the outcome, and it is an improvement, time has come for some sort of change, but it's nothing as monumental as it seems to have been.

I feel ill that obama is going to be our next president. Did you vote for a pinko just because of his race?

Oh, but did you forget, GF? You have to support the President. Otherwise you're an anti-American US-hater, remember? Courtesy of people like yourself, that saw dissent in such a light. It's your turn now. Oshioki da yo!

Oh, but did you forget, GF? Not me!
The other GF. :p

Not me!
The other GF. :p

*Pinches bridge of his nose* Who am I quoting in that post? :p

I feel ill that obama is going to be our next president. Did you vote for a pinko just because of his race?

Why Do You Hate Freedom?™

*Pinches bridge of his nose* Who am I quoting in that post? :pThe other one, but I couldn't resist. :p
...Does pinching the bridge of your nose really work, or does it just give you something to focus on?

Why Do You Hate Freedom?™

Gauthier... Seeing you answer that way was the most fun I could have with my pants on.

Let's!

I feel ill that obama is going to be our next president. Did you vote for a pinko just because of his race? I agree. Electing this socialist, naive, corrupt, terrorist-befriending Chicago politician will be a disaster for this country.

The other one, but I couldn't resist. :p
...Does pinching the bridge of your nose really work, or does it just give you something to focus on?

I don't know... :p

I agree. Electing this socialist, naive, corrupt, terrorist-befriending Chicago politician will be a disaster for this country.

Oh, but you can't criticize the President, remember? Or else you're an America-hater. Anti-American-too. I bet you don't even like apple pie... You hate freedom, don't you?

Gods, I'm enjoying this. THAT'S how you people felt? Using buzzwords to kill debate by attacking opponents? Gee, no wonder you folks got so into it!

Obama might have a bit of a struggle ahead of him let's see;
economic issues,
racial issues,
immigration issues,
healthcare issues,
foreign policy issues
the list goes on added to that alot of countries don't like America.
Still i think he'l do a better job of it than McCain.
I went to see fireworks, was amazing.

I agree. Electing this socialist, naive, corrupt, terrorist-befriending Chicago politician will be a disaster for this country.Why do you hate Chicago? :mad:

I don't know... :pExcellent.

Why do you hate Chicago? :mad:

Excellent.

Ah, it feels so good to be on the side that asks "Why do you hate X" now... So, so good...

Oh, but you can't criticize the President, remember? Or else you're an America-hater. Anti-American-too. I bet you don't even like apple pie... You hate freedom, don't you? I have no problems with criticism of the President, especially Hussein. In any event, he's not my President. Just some guy squatting in the White House for a couple of years.

Gods, I'm enjoying this. THAT'S how you people felt? Using buzzwords to kill debate by attacking opponents? Gee, no wonder you folks got so into it! Your boy is the guy who likes to kill debate. He wants to bring back the so-called "Fairness Doctrine" and his lawyers have gone after TV and radio stations that posted ads that annoyed his highness.

Why do you hate Chicago? :mad: Because it's full of people who would vote for Hussein Obama

I have no problems with criticism of the President, especially Hussein. In any event, he's not my President. Just some guy squatting in the White House for a couple of years.

Your boy is the guy who likes to kill debate. He wants to bring back the so-called "Fairness Doctrine" and his lawyers have gone after TV and radio stations that posted ads that annoyed his highness. First of all, he's your president whether you like it or not.
Secondly, source.

Feeling wonderful.

Here's a cartoon from today's Melbourne Age

http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g136/regnans/wbOPobama-200x0.jpg

On January 20th, he will indeed be your President, just like George W Bush, whether I like it or not, is my President. Hussein will do a better job then SYDNEY. And I guess you hate the majority of Americans for voting for him?

Because it's full of people who would vote for Hussein ObamaThe whole United States of America is full of people who voted for Barack Obama.
What a sore life you must have, hating so many places.

No no, don't you see, it was evil pinko commie voter fraud!

Because it's full of people who would vote for Hussein Obama

Why Do You Hate Freedom?™

First of all, he's your president whether you like it or not. No, he's not. I wish him nothing but ill, and look forward to saying 'I told you so" repeatedly over the next 4 years to the fools who elected him.

I wouldn't piss on him if his hair was on fire.

Yes, he is, or will be formally on January 20th. Deal with it. GWB is my President even though he is one of the worst Presidents the US ever had. And you just admitted to hating him so much you want the country to do badly for your petty satisfaction.

I have no problems with criticism of the President, especially Hussein. In any event, he's not my President. Just some guy squatting in the White House for a couple of years.

Your boy is the guy who likes to kill debate. He wants to bring back the so-called "Fairness Doctrine" and his lawyers have gone after TV and radio stations that posted ads that annoyed his highness.

1- For EIGHT YEARS, I have endured people like you calling me an US-hater for disagreeing with Bush. Obama's your president, now, whether you want it or not. And by your own "dissent equals hatred towards America" fantasy you so gleefully espoused, you now have to agree with him or define yourself - your words, not mine - as "Anti-American" or other tripe. And your usage of his middle name is just sad, at this point.

2- Source? Besides inane rantings?

And I guess you hate the majority of Americans for voting for him? Maybe not hatred, but utter disgust. I am surprised his crack-smoking, lazy, unemployed supporters actually got out of bed to vote for him. But, I guess they wanted to get all of the free stuff they're going to leach off of the rest of us.

No, he's not. I wish him nothing but ill, and look forward to saying 'I told you so" repeatedly over the next 4 years to the fools who elected him.

I wouldn't piss on him if his hair was on fire.You don't even respect your own candidate. He bowed out honorably, why can't you?
I'm honestly curious.

No, he's not. I wish him nothing but ill, and look forward to saying 'I told you so" repeatedly over the next 4 years to the fools who elected him.

I wouldn't piss on him if his hair was on fire.

You must be the optimist here.
Besides he doesn't have enough hair on his head to burn properly.

No, he's not. I wish him nothing but ill, and look forward to saying 'I told you so" repeatedly over the next 4 years to the fools who elected him.

I wouldn't piss on him if his hair was on fire.

Why do you hate America?

Maybe not hatred, but utter disgust. I am surprised his crack-smoking, lazy, unemployed supporters actually got out of bed to vote for him. But, I guess they wanted to get all of the free stuff they're going to leach off of the rest of us.

Oh hey it's Bruce Tinsley

That's not true. If it is raining in USA, it's dripping in Europe.

And supose our voices were silent, those Americans would still believe, by their media, that Bush was a damn good president.

Um... no... I've been waiting for this since January, 2000. At no point did I think shrub was a good president. The best he ever got in my opinion was "maybe not so bad." And times when I thought that well of him were exceedingly rare.

Your pathetic stereotyping and the hate your spewing is truly sickening Potomac.

Maybe not hatred, but utter disgust. I am surprised his crack-smoking, lazy, unemployed supporters actually got out of bed to vote for him. But, I guess they wanted to get all of the free stuff they're going to leach off of the rest of us.

We're not supposed to gloat here... but you are making me smile inwardly.

Your pathetic stereotyping and the hate your spewing is truly sickening.

okay, just checking

Maybe not hatred, but utter disgust. I am surprised his crack-smoking, lazy, unemployed supporters actually got out of bed to vote for him. But, I guess they wanted to get all of the free stuff they're going to leach off of the rest of us.

So, you're calling most Americans "crack-smoking, lazy, unemployed" for voting for the President elect.

That means you're a dissenter (eeeeevil, US-haaaaaater) and also against fair and free elections, as well as against most of America.

Which begs the question:

Why do you hate freedom, you anti-American US-hater? :)

Maybe not hatred, but utter disgust. I am surprised his crack-smoking, lazy, unemployed supporters actually got out of bed to vote for him. But, I guess they wanted to get all of the free stuff they're going to leach off of the rest of us.

Ah, so you're a Palin supporter. Was that your booing I heard at McCain's concession speech?

:D

I edited it mad hatter, thanks, though I don't think there was any doubt.

1- For EIGHT YEARS, I have endured people like you calling me an US-hater for disagreeing with Bush. I've never met you before, so I couldn't care less what you've had to endure. He's your president, now, whether you want it or not. You can keep saying that until you're blue in the face, but it doesn't make it so. And by your own "dissent equals hatred towards America" fantasy you so gleefully espoused, you now have to agree with him or define yourself - your words, not mine - as "Anti-American" or other tripe. I have no idea what you're talking about And your usage of his middle name is just sad, at this point. Given how hard Hussein has tried to cover up his middle-name, background and ties to terrorists, I'm not surprised you don't want anyone reminded where he comes from.

Nope. He deserves all the credit and an equal chance to that given by Bush after the 2000 election, and not a second's more of either. Were I still in the service and facing re-enlistment, I'd happily tell the re-up NCO to go to hell, and I'd suggest and advocate that for anyone still in. Not only would this be a quiet repudiation, but it would help him in his projected force reduction of 25%.

There is no honour to be had in serving a disciple of Ayers, Chavez, and Wright.

Ah, so you're a Palin supporter. Was that your booing I heard at McCain's concession speech?

:DHe's that guy?

So, you're calling most Americans "crack-smoking, lazy, unemployed" for voting for the President elect.

That means you're a dissenter (eeeeevil, US-haaaaaater) and also against fair and free elections, as well as against most of America.

Which begs the question:

Why do you hate freedom, you anti-American US-hater? :)Don't go overboard, Heikoku. Please.

When I heard Obama's acceptance speech this morning, I wept.
I wept for the years that we have had an imbecile for a president.
I wept for the struggle that all minorities, whether by color or 'lifestyle,' religion or ancestry, encounter daily.
I wept for the bigots around me who will never understand how truly wonderful this moment in history is.
I wept because for the first time in my adult life, possibly in my entire life, I feel hope for our nation's future, and a pride in being a part of it. I no longer say that I love the idea of America but hate the actuality. This morning, I embraced what I felt was the spirit of America. I was filled with a joy that can only be described as rapture, and an unyielding optimism, that can only be described as annoying. ^__^
I still fear the future. I know nothing is going to be fixed overnight, and that things are most likely going to get worse yet. That said, I think that with strong leadership, we are going to be much better equipped to handle whatever comes our way.

im extactic to be honest. i have been looking forward to this election or abotu a year now and im relieved now that it is over and the man i have stood by is going to take office. and im really proud of this country and how far it has come in a single century.

Whether you like it or not, he is your President by law. Get that through your skull.

Nope. He deserves all the credit and an equal chance to that given by Bush after the 2000 election, and not a second's more of either. Were I still in the service and facing re-enlistment, I'd happily tell the re-up NCO to go to hell, and I'd suggest and advocate that for anyone still in. Not only would this be a quiet repudiation, but it would help him in his projected force reduction of 25%.

There is no honour to be had in serving a disciple of Ayers, Chavez, and Wright.

Why Do You Hate Freedom?™

I've never met you before, so I couldn't care less what you've had to endure. You can keep saying that until you're blue in the face, but it doesn't make it so. I have no idea what you're talking about Given how hard Hussein has tried to cover up his middle-name, background and ties to terrorists, I'm not surprised you don't want anyone reminded where he comes from.

Listen, my poor, delusional friend...

You know what? Never mind. You're not worth my effort.

You're too anti-American. Being a dissenter, and all. ;)

You don't even respect your own candidate. He bowed out honorably, why can't you?
I'm honestly curious. Because John McCain is a Senator and is required to at least go through the motions. I, on the other hand, have no such obligation to even pretend to respect Hussein.

I wish him nothing but ill and disgrace. I hope these next 4 years are a complete and utter disaster for him and that he is revealed as the corrupt, incompetent, America-hating, racist fraud that he is. And, I hope the American people, through the pain they are about to endure over the next 4 years, actually learn a lesson.

I've never met you before, so I couldn't care less what you've had to endure. You can keep saying that until you're blue in the face, but it doesn't make it so. I have no idea what you're talking about Given how hard Hussein has tried to cover up his middle-name, background and ties to terrorists, I'm not surprised you don't want anyone reminded where he comes from.

*gathers up townspeople with Burning torches and pitchforks*
*Its a troll! Get it! But democratically! one person one stab, Unless your under eighteen . . . .then no stabby for you!*

He's that guy?

Don't go overboard, Heikoku. Please.

Well, he did call us lazy, unemployed crack-heads...

Besides, that rhetoric is his. He gets to deal with it now.

Why do you hate America? Not America, just the idiot portion that voted for Hussein.

Because John McCain is a Senator and is required to at least go through the motions. I, on the other hand, have no such obligation to even pretend to respect Hussein.

I wish him nothing but ill and disgrace. I hope these next 4 years are a complete and utter disaster for him and that he is revealed as the corrupt, incompetent, America-hating, racist fraud that he is. And, I hope the American people, through the pain they are about to endure over the next 4 years, actually learn a lesson.
just a question. When I throw this back in your face after America does not go to hell in a hand basket in 4 years, what, exactly are you going to say?

But it would help him in his projected force reduction of 25%.Source. Don't bull-shit. Give me a source for that, especially since the Army is authorized to increase its size.
Link.
(http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/agency/end-strength.htm)

The American people did learn their lesson... Don't elect people continuing failed policies to office. This was shown on Election Night.

Because John McCain is a Senator and is required to at least go through the motions. I, on the other hand, have no such obligation to even pretend to respect Hussein.

I wish him nothing but ill and disgrace. I hope these next 4 years are a complete and utter disaster for him and that he is revealed as the corrupt, incompetent, America-hating, racist fraud that he is. And, I hope the American people, through the pain they are about to endure over the next 4 years, actually learn a lesson.

No, no, no - You got it wrong. The Right has taught me that disagreeing with the current government makes you an America-hater. Ergo, YOU are the one that hates America. ^_^

Fun, isn't it?

Because John McCain is a Senator and is required to at least go through the motions. I, on the other hand, have no such obligation to even pretend to respect Hussein.

News Flash: Barack Obama *WAS* a Senator too!!!

I wish him nothing but ill and disgrace. I hope these next 4 years are a complete and utter disaster for him and that he is revealed as the corrupt, incompetent, America-hating, racist fraud that he is. And, I hope the American people, through the pain they are about to endure over the next 4 years, actually learn a lesson.

Shouldn't you be going back to Alaska with your pal Caribou Barbie and plotting secession right now?

And again...

Why Do You Hate Freedom?™

Why Do You Hate Freedom?™

Why Do You Hate Freedom?™

Why Do You Hate Freedom?™

Would you shut the hell up!
and why the TM at the end?

Not America, just the idiot portion that voted for Hussein.

No, you hate America. Remember how you, right-wingers, claimed left-wingers hated America for disagreeing with Bush? Now the shoe is on the other foot. Since dissent equals hatred in your mind, I can gladly inform you: You hate America.

Well, he did call us lazy, unemployed crack-heads...

Besides, that rhetoric is his. He gets to deal with it now.Acting like him still isn't the best thing to do.

*gathers up townspeople with Burning torches and pitchforks*
*Its a troll! Get it! But democratically! one person one stab, Unless your under eighteen . . . .then no stabby for you!*Not even just this once? Please! :(

Not America, just the idiot portion that voted for Hussein.

. . .soooo . . .. at last count 52% of the population? sometimes its not everyone else, it really is just you

Nope. He deserves all the credit and an equal chance to that given by Bush after the 2000 election, and not a second's more of either. Were I still in the service and facing re-enlistment, I'd happily tell the re-up NCO to go to hell, and I'd suggest and advocate that for anyone still in. Not only would this be a quiet repudiation, but it would help him in his projected force reduction of 25%.

There is no honour to be had in serving a disciple of Ayers, Chavez, and Wright.Very well stated. I feel terrible for our men and women in uniform, bound by their oaths to serve under this person. We'll probably see a hollowing out of the military, like we did during the Clinton years. Our enemies will, rightly, see us as weak. And, once the inevitable happens, the blood of Americans will be on the hands of the so-called President and the fools who voted for him.

Would you shut the hell up!
and why the TM at the end?

What? Real Americans are being piss poor sore losers and I can't turn their trademarked catchphrase on them?

No... you don't get it, do you? BUSH HAD NO POWER, NOOB! IT WAS ALL CONGRESS! Nowhere did I say that Democrats = socialism. All U.S. politicians are some shade of capitalist. Some are more left than others, though - IE Obama.

GFG, it's like talking to a wall. A wall whose sole purpose in life is to exterminate all who oppose it (note bold text of quote). My kind? Wow, who's a political extremist now?

I like that a September 08 troll just called Heikoku 2 a noob.

Very well stated. I feel terrible for our men and women in uniform, bound by their oaths to serve under this person. We'll probably see a hollowing out of the military, like we did during the Clinton years. Our enemies will, rightly, see us as weak. And, once the inevitable happens, the blood of Americans will be on the hands of the so-called President and the fools who voted for him.

You're dissenting again. And your kind has taught us that dissent towards a government equals hatred towards its country. Why do you hate America so much?

No, you hate America. Remember how you, right-wingers, claimed left-wingers hated America for disagreeing with Bush? I have no idea if anyone holds this view, but it's not really relevant to me, as I do not. You're beating a dead horse here.

What? Real Americans are being piss poor sore losers and I can't turn their trademarked catchphrase on them?

It was getting a mite repetitive, and i doubt upsetting them is really a constructive way to changing their minds.
but hey it's a free internet do as you see fit.
or fit as you see do it's a internet.
but i find the latter is harder to do.
:tongue:

I've never met you before, so I couldn't care less what you've had to endure. You can keep saying that until you're blue in the face, but it doesn't make it so. I have no idea what you're talking about Given how hard Hussein has tried to cover up his middle-name, background and ties to terrorists, I'm not surprised you don't want anyone reminded where he comes from.

Very well stated. I feel terrible for our men and women in uniform, bound by their oaths to serve under this person. We'll probably see a hollowing out of the military, like we did during the Clinton years. Our enemies will, rightly, see us as weak. And, once the inevitable happens, the blood of Americans will be on the hands of the so-called President and the fools who voted for him.

Back it up. Source. Or go away.

I have no idea if anyone holds this view, but it's not really relevant to me, as I do not. You're beating a dead horse here.

Quite a lot of people did. And now the shoe is on the other foot. So, you get to enjoy...

Back it up. Source. Or go away. How about- No, and no.

How about- No, and no.

Then quit complaining that you're not being taken seriously, because you're not earning it!

Acting like him still isn't the best thing to do.

Not even just this once? Please! :(

Fine . . . but just this once. If you pester me about it again there will be no cookie for you!

And if you can't back up your own argument, what does that say about it?

Quite a lot of people did. And now the shoe is on the other foot. So, you get to enjoy...
If you think your little attempt at being clever bothers me, you're deluded.

If you think your little attempt at being clever bothers me, you're deluded.

You're the last person that could call me deluded, given the tripe you post.

Then quit complaining that you're not being taken seriously, because you're not earning it! Where have I made that complaint? I don't really care if you take me seriously. I have no real desire to convince you of anything or to win your respect.

I'm sorry. It's difficult having a genius IQ. My people skills evidently need some work.

You don't have a genius IQ. Nobody's believing that for a millisecond.

Very well stated. I feel terrible for our men and women in uniform, bound by their oaths to serve under this person. We'll probably see a hollowing out of the military, like we did during the Clinton years. Our enemies will, rightly, see us as weak. And, once the inevitable happens, the blood of Americans will be on the hands of the so-called President and the fools who voted for him.

am I aloud to laugh at you when your horribly horribly wrong?

No, you hate America. Remember how you, right-wingers, claimed left-wingers hated America for disagreeing with Bush? Now the shoe is on the other foot. Since dissent equals hatred in your mind, I can gladly inform you: You hate America.

No, the right wing was wrong for doing that in the first place. If you do it, it still remains just as wrong. Cut it out.

Maybe not hatred, but utter disgust. I am surprised his crack-smoking, lazy, unemployed supporters actually got out of bed to vote for him. But, I guess they wanted to get all of the free stuff they're going to leach off of the rest of us.

Yeah, I'm lazy, and since I'm retired, I guess that counts as unemployed. But crack? That's just crazy. The strongest drug I use is coffee. I'm a white, 61-year-old female who used to be employed by the University of California. I moved from California because it was too liberal for me. I voted for Obama. You misread his supporters and you misread him. In point of fact, you misread the whole situation. Of course, I probably shouldn't try to explain actual facts to you, you've already made up what passes for your mind.

(must remember, don't feed trolls)

Fine . . . but just this once. If you pester me about it again there will be no cookie for you!OK. :( *scolded*
But-but-but-! Yay! :D

Where have I made that complaint? I don't really care if you take me seriously. I have no real desire to convince you of anything or to win your respect.

Lucky you then.

Very well stated. I feel terrible for our men and women in uniform, bound by their oaths to serve under this person. We'll probably see a hollowing out of the military, like we did during the Clinton years. Our enemies will, rightly, see us as weak. And, once the inevitable happens, the blood of Americans will be on the hands of the so-called President and the fools who voted for him.I'm even more eager to join now that Obama has won. I was enlisting, anyway, no matter who won. Now that Obama has, it only gives me hope.

OK. :( *scolded*
But-but-but-! Yay! :D

*lol join in the stabbing!*

No, the right wing was wrong for doing that in the first place. If you do it, it still remains just as wrong. Cut it out.

I'm not a good person. I was a better one before people tried to shut me up by using that kind of crap on me. I really DO feel like repaying the favor now. I know, it's not nice, and I know I may have to control that impulse... But...

(must remember, don't feed trolls)

*join stab fest?*

You know, since he mentioned the military, does he regard General Wesley Clark, Colin Powell, Admiral John Nathman, Merrill McPeak, the former Chief of Staff for the Air Force, as traitors?

*lol join in the stabbing!**Already has*
:cool: I'm psychic like that.

You know, since he mentioned the military, does he regard General Wesley Clark, Colin Powell, Admiral John Nathman, Merrill McPeak, the former Chief of Staff for the Air Force, as traitors?

As well as a considerable number of rank and file military. My daughter, a lieutenant in the Air Force, could, by his definition, be considered a traitor.

*Already has*
:cool: I'm psychic like that.

*Niiiiiiice!*

You know, since he mentioned the military, does he regard General Wesley Clark, Colin Powell, Admiral John Nathman, Merrill McPeak, the former Chief of Staff for the Air Force, as traitors?Obviously. I mean, it's not like these military leaders know anything about how the common soldier feels, or anything.

And now I'm off to wash cars like the good son that I am. Cya, all.

You know, since he mentioned the military, does he regard General Wesley Clark, Colin Powell, Admiral John Nathman, Merrill McPeak, the former Chief of Staff for the Air Force, as traitors? Where have I called anyone a traitor?

Lol. Of course Clark's probably already a traitor for writing a book that disassembles some of the idiocy behind the Iraq War.

Where have I called anyone a traitor?

when you said anyone who voted for Obama was unamerican. (i'll explain the logic if need be)

Happy that the news will FINALLY HAVE TO TALK ABOUT SOMETHING ELSE!

At least untill Obama screws up anyway........

Where have I called anyone a traitor?

You're bitching about how Obama's going to wreck the military, and given those military men have come out in support of Obama, wouldn't that make them traitors by your brilliant and infallible logic?

when you said anyone who voted for Obama was unamerican. (i'll explain the logic if need be)
Where did I call Obama voters Un-American?

I'm not a good person. I was a better one before people tried to shut me up by using that kind of crap on me. I really DO feel like repaying the favor now. I know, it's not nice, and I know I may have to control that impulse... But...

It's not just not nice. It's wrong. It's condemnable. It's disgusting, filthy and horrible. Don't do it. Stay a step up, and you'll be better off.

Otherwise, you'll be on the exact same level as them. You don't want that, do you?

Because John McCain is a Senator and is required to at least go through the motions. I, on the other hand, have no such obligation to even pretend to respect Hussein.

I wish him nothing but ill and disgrace. I hope these next 4 years are a complete and utter disaster for him and that he is revealed as the corrupt, incompetent, America-hating, racist fraud that he is. And, I hope the American people, through the pain they are about to endure over the next 4 years, actually learn a lesson.

You hate America. If you dont support the president your unpatriotic.

You're bitching about how Obama's going to wreck the military, and given those military men have come out in support of Obama, wouldn't that make them traitors by your brilliant and infallible logic? No. I never called anyone a traitor. I'm not going to argue against strawmen.

Techinically he's right, they're just unemployed pinko hippie crack smokers according to him.

Where have I called anyone a traitor?

All righty, you didn't. You only called 52% of your country "lazy unemployed crackheads", and wished ill on him and on your country. Aside from that you weren't insulting, no siree!

You proceeded to make absurd statements, without jack squat to back them up, and feigned haughtiness when called on it.

So, I ask: What the fuck is your point?

You hate America. If you dont support the president your unpatriotic.

what if this guy isn't from America? maybe he's from the UK or another country.

So, I ask: What the fuck is your point? I thought my point was clear. I loathe Hussein and think Americans have made a giant mistake electing him. You couldn't figure that out from my posts here?

what if this guy isn't from America? maybe he's from the UK or another country.

Then it's "he hates America".

The majority in almost every foreign country supports Obama. And only his middle name is Hussein. You don't call McCain Sydney, so that's just total ignorance on your part.

I thought my point was clear. I loathe Hussein and think Americans have made a giant mistake electing him. You couldn't figure that out from my posts here?

You hare America. Youre either with us or against us. You are unpatriotic.

I thought my point was clear. I loathe Hussein and think Americans have made a giant mistake electing him. You couldn't figure that out from my posts here?

This is a forum, not a blog.

Techinically he's right, they're just unemployed pinko hippie crack smokers according to him.

Ah but the military is under oath to defend the US of A so if their not doing that (as he claims) then their at least guilty of desertion if not outright traitorism (that's right I made up a word! Cause betrayal just doesn't have the impact of its -ism version and betrayalism is just silly).

The majority in almost every foreign country supports Obama.

With notable and vocally emo exceptions like The Artist Formerly Known As The Potato Factory.

:D

I thought my point was clear. I loathe Hussein and think Americans have made a giant mistake electing him. You couldn't figure that out from my posts here?

Yeah, those millions of crackheads.

The crack economy must be booming right now.

This kid's a schmuck man. Kid's from Washington D.C. and the name is "New Potomac". Sounds like a typical uncreative know it all.

I supported Senator McCain in this one, what with my conservative belief system and all, but I'm alright with President-Elect Obama winning. I disagree with him on a lot, but I'm gonna give him the benefit of the doubt for now, so if I were to get surveyed on my opinion of him, it would be positive.

I don't know what I think about President Bush now. Part of me likes his conservatism, part of me dislikes the way he went about with it.

To sum up: disappointed Sen. McCain lost, hopeful about Pres.-Elect Obama, unsure about Pres. Bush.

I thought my point was clear. I loathe Hussein and think Americans have made a giant mistake electing him. You couldn't figure that out from my posts here?

To quote NP himself in an previous thread - he's referring to GWB here:

It's very difficult to judge the quality of a president until at least a few decades have passed. We're too close to it now to look at his presidency objectively. Furthermore, some of the things he has done, such as the WoT, are still ongoing (and will probably continue for decades to come, regardles of who wins the presidency), so we can't determine their effectiveness.

I disliked Clinton and thought that he was a disgrace as a president, but I don't think history will be ready to judge him for a few more decades.

And let's remember that Reagan, Roosevelt and Kennedy were hated by significant percentages of the American population during their presidencies, but historians now put them in the top tier of 20th Century presidents. Heck, historians have given Nixon a second look and grudgingly accept that, at least in the field of international relations, he did a lot of good.

So, even according to NP, Obama could be a great president.

I have very definite opinions of Bush.:p

Yeah, those millions of crackheads.

The crack economy must be booming right now.

This kid's a schmuck man. Kid's from Washington D.C. and the name is "New Potomac". Sounds like a typical uncreative know it all.

Bushevism ain't dying even with Shrub moving out of office.

what if this guy isn't from America? maybe he's from the UK or another country.

I checked his profile -

About New Potomac
Biography
Libertarian Neo-Conservative
Location
Washington, DC
Interests
Politics, International Arms Dealing
Occupation
Attorney

He's 32, old enough to know better than to be so antagonistic. He's an attorney (if he's being truthful) so he has the education to be able to express himself more intelligently and diplomatically. He's a libertarian neo-con so that more or less negates the previous two.

Seriously, NP, you make unsupportable blanket statements about 52% of the people of this country, a Senator who was just elected President and the majority of the people on NSG; a properly trained attorney would have supporting documentation immediately at hand ready to back up these statements.

If you are indeed, as you claim, an attorney, you could express yourself more logically, you could access facts and evidence, you would have down the basics of debate. You're expressing yourself like an angry teen, not a settled attorney of a certain age.

The majority in almost every foreign country supports Obama. Wonderful. So what? Anyway, it's easy to support him from the cheap seats. But my job involves working with Iraqis, including members of their military. So far, they have been almost uniformly downbeat by this election. They're wondering what the future holds for them and whether they can continue to rely on America. I can't really give then any reassurance at this point.

When I heard Obama's acceptance speech this morning, I wept.
I wept for the years that we have had an imbecile for a president.
I wept for the struggle that all minorities, whether by color or 'lifestyle,' religion or ancestry, encounter daily.
I wept for the bigots around me who will never understand how truly wonderful this moment in history is.
I wept because for the first time in my adult life, possibly in my entire life, I feel hope for our nation's future, and a pride in being a part of it. I no longer say that I love the idea of America but hate the actuality. This morning, I embraced what I felt was the spirit of America. I was filled with a joy that can only be described as rapture, and an unyielding optimism, that can only be described as annoying. ^__^
I still fear the future. I know nothing is going to be fixed overnight, and that things are most likely going to get worse yet. That said, I think that with strong leadership, we are going to be much better equipped to handle whatever comes our way.

Nice first post.

I have very definite opinions of Bush.:p

You and 90% of the NationStates community, lol.

That's what you get when you cause this many disasters.

Wonderful. So what? Anyway, it's easy to support him from the cheap seats. But my job involves working with Iraqis, including members of their military. So far, they have been almost uniformly downbeat by this election.

It's easy to oppose him from the cheap seats, too.

Sssh, facts are toxic to trolls.

Because John McCain is a Senator and is required to at least go through the motions. I, on the other hand, have no such obligation to even pretend to respect Hussein.

I wish him nothing but ill and disgrace. I hope these next 4 years are a complete and utter disaster for him and that he is revealed as the corrupt, incompetent, America-hating, racist fraud that he is. And, I hope the American people, through the pain they are about to endure over the next 4 years, actually learn a lesson.

You're the America hater, not us. We support President Obama.

I checked his profile - He's 32, old enough to know better than to be so antagonistic. Why? People on this board aren't part of my life. Who cares if they think poorly of me? There's no real downside to my antagonism.
Seriously, NP, you make unsupportable blanket statements about 52% of the people of this country, a Senator who was just elected President and the majority of the people on NSG; a properly trained attorney would have supporting documentation immediately at hand ready to back up these statements. I'm killing time here while I wait for my dinner reservations. I'm not being paid to make my arguments here, so I am not going to bother to go out and do research or provide sources. I'm basically just stating my opinion here, not arguing in front of a court (though, I'm not a litigator, anyway)