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(Mods, feel free to merge this elsewhere if need be, but I thought that it was different enough to warrant its own home)

So we now have President (elect) Obama. It really is an historic moment, no matter if you supported him or Sen. McCain. So, here and now, at this moment, how are you feeling? What's the thoughts running through your mind?

As for me, I still have my doubts about President Obama, but I was willing to let him have a whack at it. But I will tell you all this, my son is 1-years-old (and a bit). He is the child of a Japanese mother and a White American father, so both bi-racial and multi-national. Tonight I am proud that when my son is old enough to start to understand the concept of what the president of the United States is, the man who will be holding that office will be just like him and that if he ever asks if he could every grow up to be president, I can honestly say YES!

Never thought I'd see it, personally. At least not until I was in my 60s or older.

I'm quite surprised.

America's back. I feel like after 8 years, we are again a free and democratic country.

I'm not bothered; indeed, I'm relieved that there was a clear winner and that things have gone smoothly.

Both candidates were well qualified for the job, and I'm confident he will serve in the interest of the American people just as much as John McCain, even if their means towards that end differ. We will just have to see how he and the Democratic Congress use their newfound power to change the country, how he copes with the legacy of the past eight years and how he deals with the new issues facing the United States as it enters its third century. Although I can hardly say I support President-elect Obama on all of the issues, I feel he genuinely desires to better this country and lead it to a safe and prosperous future.

It is also good to see people actually enthusiastic again about the democratic process; in fact, this election has the highest nominal turnout and one of the highest total turnouts in history. We've allowed ourselves to sink in to apathy regarding the process for too long, and I hope this marks the start of a renewed era for our political system.

Remember, we must support him when he takes office, because he is our President and we are at war. ;)

I feel relieved, but this is no time to relax. I hope people aren't like, "YAY WE WON!" and then get complacent as if that was the whole point. The way the media paints it - as a card game, as a gambling game, as a football game, as a war - makes it seem like once it's over, that's it, and you can all go home to digest your hot dogs. And if that's what's going to happen, then I doubt very much anything will change - except perhaps on the foreign diplomatic front, for a little while, thanks to Obama's miracle charm.

Remember, we must support him when he takes office, because he is our President and we are at war. ;)

That rule only counts if the President's a Republican.

Remember, much of the political opposition seems to believe he's one of the enemy.

I feel relieved, but this is no time to relax. I hope people aren't like, "YAY WE WON!" and then get complacent as if that was the whole point. The way the media paints it - as a card game, as a gambling game, as a football game, as a war - makes it seem like once it's over, that's it, and you can all go home to digest your hot dogs. And if that's what's going to happen, then I doubt very much anything will change - except perhaps on the foreign diplomatic front, for a little while, thanks to Obama's miracle charm.

A concern Obama explicitely addressed in his acceptance speech.

"Free at last! Free at last! Thank God almighty, free at last!"
It meant something! It was momentous! American history is starting a new chapter - I know that sounds like a cliche but I think that it is true.

The rest of the worlds will look on the US more kindly.
Here in Australia we are excited about it.
The US no longer has a pugnatious president who tells the world "Either you're with us or against us" This immediately makes AmeRica's allies pull on their "I'm with Stupid" t-shirts. (Well actually the hand over isn't till Jan 20th)
Obama has the potential to change not just America, but the world.
TheN again, he might just stuff it up.....who knows? But in the meantime he can dream.
Many AmericANS - NOT JUST BLACK AMERICANS CRIED WITH TEARS OF LIBERATION LAST NIGHT.

A concern Obama explicitely addressed in his acceptance speech.

I'm sure he did, but that doesn't change anything on its own.

That rule only counts if the President's a Republican.

Remember, much of the political opposition seems to believe he's one of the enemy.

Yeah, but with the Democrats controlling 58 Senate seats and the House of Representatives, that's too goddamn bad. They should have considered that when they allowed Bush and his cronies to eviscerate not just the Republican Party but this country itself for eight long years. They've had this retribution coming for a long time, and I sincerely hope the Democrats use this opportunity to bring about lasting changes that revitalize this country and strengthen it for the future.

Like shit to the delight of 99 percent % of my fellow NS Nations that dont give a dam. I really fear Obama and his fellow liberals will establish relations with dictators Fidel and Raul no matter what Obama says. Just like most nations of the world that dont care a dam about Cuban Americans or Cubans in Cuba, I still have family there. I realizeThe Cuba issue is very complicated and personal to Cuban Americans for you all to understand. Its similar to the issue between Jews and Arabs over Jerusalem and Israel, it really is. I will see if he is really serious about Cuba's freedom or just establishes relations like the rest of the world with his fellow Democrats in control of Congress. I know 99 percent of my fellow NS nations dont care. That has beeen proven over and over. I like will see after this post. Want a bet $, easist NS money $ I will ever win. If Obama shows me and my fellow Cuban Americans he really cares about freedoms in Cuba I will eat my posts. And I will vote for Obama's re-election.

About an hour ago, a pretty large crowd marched through the four-lane street my apartment faces (it's next to a college campus) chanting and waving their Obama posters. My roommate and I went out on the balcony to watch them. One of them carried a life-size cardboard Obama, which elicited a giggle from me, but other than that we were silent.

I don't feel elated; just a little less cynical. Not much; it's not like we cured death or achieved national enlightenment overnight. It's hardly a perfect night; gay rights suffered in Arizona, Florida and probably California. But like me, those kids spent most of their adolescence in a Republican-dominated country, so I can't blame them a whole lot. Anyway who cares, it's PARTY TIME DUDE.

So yeah, I'm glad I voted for Obama, if for no other reason than to say I did. It's certainly a breath of fresh air.

Feelin' fine.
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Like shit to the delight of 99 percent % of my fellow NS Nations that dont give a dam. I really fear Obama and his fellow liberals will establish relations with dictators Fidel and Raul no matter what Obama says. Just like most nations of the world that dont care a dam about Cuban Americans or Cubans in Cuba, I still have family there. I realizeThe Cuba issue is very complicated and personal to Cuban Americans for you all to understand. Its similar to the issue between Jews and Arabs over Jerusalem and Israel, it really is. I will see if he is really serious about Cuba's freedom or just establishes relations like the rest of the world with his fellow Democrats in control of Congress. I know 99 percent of my fellow NS nations dont care. That has beeen proven over and over. I like will see after this post. Want a bet $, easist NS money $ I will ever win. If Obama shows me and my fellow Cuban Americans he really cares about freedoms in Cuba I will eat my posts.

One can oppose a dictatorship and still establish relations with them. Sometimes diplomacy and economics are the most effective weapons.

About an hour ago, a pretty large crowd marched through the four-lane street my apartment faces (it's next to a college campus) chanting and waving their Obama posters. My roommate and I went out on the balcony to watch them. One of them carried a life-size cardboard Obama, which elicited a giggle from me, but other than that we were silent.

I don't feel elated; just a little less cynical. Not much; it's not like we cured death or achieved national enlightenment overnight. It's hardly a perfect night; gay rights suffered in Arizona, Florida and probably California. But like me, those kids spent most of their adolescence in a Republican-dominated country, so I can't blame them a whole lot. Anyway who cares, it's PARTY TIME DUDE.

So yeah, I'm glad I voted for Obama, if for no other reason than to say I did. It's certainly a breath of fresh air.

Don't forget that it will be a lot easier to defend gay rights with Obama as President and his appointees on the Supreme Court.

Tonight I am proud that when my son is old enough to start to understand the concept of what the president of the United States is, the man who will be holding that office will be just like him and that if he ever asks if he could every grow up to be president, I can honestly say YES!

I'm a bit fuzzy on citizenship rules here, but wouldn't he have to be born in the United States to begin with?

I'm a bit fuzzy on citizenship rules here, but wouldn't he have to be born in the United States to begin with?

Well, I know that you're a citizen if at least one parent is a US citizen, and it also applies if you're born at a military base or other US installation.

Personally, I think that America made a big cock-up by electing Obama to the office of President.

For starters, like Clinton, Carter and other wimpy Democrats before him, Obama is going to pander to dictators and expect that all you need to do to placate them is get them around the camp-fire and play Kumbaya. Unfortunately, that doesn't work

Secondly, let us not forget that in the summer, he suggested that the best way to keep your fuel bills down is to keep your tyres inflated - that is just like Jimmy Carter walking around the White House with a jersey on.

Of course, I could go on, but I am not going to.

On one hand, I'm very much relieved that Sarah Palin will not be a resident of the White House any time soon. On the other, I feel much more hopeful about the American people as a whole, and while there's no doubt that there's a lot to be done, I feel confident now that the world will be able to work with the USA in making things better rather than against them.

Like shit to the delight of 99 percent % of my fellow NS Nations that dont give a dam. I really fear Obama and his fellow liberals will establish relations with dictators Fidel and Raul no matter what Obama says. Just like most nations of the world that dont care a dam about Cuban Americans or Cubans in Cuba, I still have family there. I realizeThe Cuba issue is very complicated and personal to Cuban Americans for you all to understand. Its similar to the issue between Jews and Arabs over Jerusalem and Israel, it really is. I will see if he is really serious about Cuba's freedom or just establishes relations like the rest of the world with his fellow Democrats in control of Congress. I know 99 percent of my fellow NS nations dont care. That has beeen proven over and over. I like will see after this post. Want a bet $, easist NS money $ I will ever win. If Obama shows me and my fellow Cuban Americans he really cares about freedoms in Cuba I will eat my posts. And I will vote for Obama's re-election.

Well Florida voted for Obama for a reason. I hope that he will end Cuba's isolation and that Cubans can travel between the countries. The best way of dealing with Cubans is to embrace them - and I think they are ready for Obama over there too.:)

One can oppose a dictatorship and still establish relations with them. Sometimes diplomacy and economics are the most effective weapons.

Thank you for your well ment post. What democracy has the economic and political support of over 160 nations of the Cuban dictatorship accomplished in Cuba, nothing. Than you all wonder why those crazy Cuban Americans who have family in Cuba act the way they do and feel the way they do about the world. Again I thank you for your post.

Personally, I think that America made a big cock-up by electing Obama to the office of President.

For starters, like Clinton, Carter and other wimpy Democrats before him, Obama is going to pander to dictators and expect that all you need to do to placate them is get them around the camp-fire and play Kumbaya. Unfortunately, that doesn't work

Secondly, let us not forget that in the summer, he suggested that the best way to keep your fuel bills down is to keep your tyres inflated - that is just like Jimmy Carter walking around the White House with a jersey on.

Of course, I could go on, but I am not going to.

I'm visiting NZ in January. My patrner booked the tickets. Maybe the Obama victory inspired her. The American made no mistake in voting for Obama - they made a mistake 8 years ago. I hope you Kiwis aren't too hasty in getting rid of Helen Clark. I think she served the country well. Hey but if the New Zealanders want to change their governmnet then I'm sure that Mr Key will do a good enough job. Isn't democracy wonderful?

Personally, I think that America made a big cock-up by electing Obama to the office of President.

For starters, like Clinton, Carter and other wimpy Democrats before him, Obama is going to pander to dictators and expect that all you need to do to placate them is get them around the camp-fire and play Kumbaya. Unfortunately, that doesn't work

I take it you're not familliar with a strange technique called "diplomacy". Carter made progress in mid-east peace. And before that, the Democrats were anything but wimpy. Or are you forgetting who was behind the Bay of Pigs, The Cuban Missile Crisis, and, oh, Winning World War 2?

Secondly, let us not forget that in the summer, he suggested that the best way to keep your fuel bills down is to keep your tyres inflated - that is just like Jimmy Carter walking around the White House with a jersey on.

Of course, I could go on, but I am not going to.

That was a throw away line, wasn't it? He probably meant it as a joke. Are you really going to peddle that rediculous lie that that one line is his entire energy policy? I suppose you missed all the speeches where he talked about alternative energy?

For starters, like Clinton, Carter and other wimpy Democrats before him, Obama is going to pander to dictators and expect that all you need to do to placate them is get them around the camp-fire and play Kumbaya. Unfortunately, that doesn't work

You mean like Nixon and Pinochet, Ford and Suharto, Reagan and Marcos or Bush Sr. and Noreiga? Or maybe Bush Jr., when he just recently groveled before the Saudis and begged them to increase oil production? Want me to name any other dictators the Republicans chummed with over the past few decades? Hell, at least Clinton and Carter tried to improve the situations they dealt with rather than allow them to go on in exchange for bribes in the right places, maybe a shipment or two of coke allowed through no-questions-asked, maybe a position or two as "advisers"...

Oddly enough, when a Republican does it, it's "realist diplomacy" but when a Democrat does it, it's cowardice. I guess the truth is that the Republicans really do like preserving the status quo, even if it means some unfortunate human beings, sorry, human resources, are denied the freedom, rights, and political representation we take for granted.

I'm a bit fuzzy on citizenship rules here, but wouldn't he have to be born in the United States to begin with?
Honestly, the question has never been settled. It just says natural born citizen and no one has ever really looked at children born to a US parent outside of the US. They ARE Americans at birth, but does that make them natural born citizens or not? Who knows?

My feeling was, of course, more based on what my son might have to face as a child of a non-American mother and American father as well as being biracial. I know things are getting better, but looking at some of the comments from the right tonight, well... We still have a ways to go.

Thank you for your well ment post. What democracy has the economic and political support of over 160 nations of the Cuban dictatorship accomplished in Cuba, nothing. Than you all wonder why those crazy Cuban Americans who have family in Cuba act the way they do and feel the way they do about the world. Again I thank you for your post.

I wish I had a transcript of Obama's speech to quote. Watch it, and pay attention to the part where he basically, to paraphrase, talks about destroying oppressors and supporting freedom. At least I believe that was the gist of it.

This is the guy who said we will go in to Pakistan to get Bin Laden weather they accept it or not. Who wants more troops in Afghanistan. I don't think he will be too soft on Cuba. He can be quite tough, even a hawk under certain circumstances. He just doesn't do it in an arrogant, ignorant, and poorly planned way like Bush in Iraq.

How do I feel?

I feel angry. God damn I feel angry. I'm been quivering with anger for hours. I feel cheated.

My first election, and my vote was useless. What the hell is the point of voting if the candidate I backed loses? Now policies I want nothing to do with will be passed, and there is nothing I can do about it.

What the hell.

So, yeah. I'm angry, disgruntled, and apprehensive towards the next four years.

My first election, and my vote was useless. What the hell is the point of voting if the candidate I backed loses? Now policies I want nothing to do with will be passed, and there is nothing I can do about it.

You can vote again and make your voice heard. That's the whole point in voting in the first place.

You can vote again and make your voice heard. That's the whole point in voting in the first place.

Yeah, in four years. Two for senators. I don't really want to grind my teeth in frustration for the next four years, but that's all I can do.

I'm still pissed, and probably will be for months. As will almost everyone I know.

Yeah, in four years. Two for senators. I don't really want to grind my teeth in frustration for the next four years, but that's all I can do.

I'm still pissed, and probably will be for months. As will almost everyone I know.

Yeah, but everybody on the losing side feels that way. Just do what I did: get a beer, light a cigarette, and look forward to another chance in 2012.

I'm still pissed, and probably will be for months. As will almost everyone I know.
Hopefully, you'll turn out to be pleasantly surprised.

I understand that Obama won because I supported McCain; I've lost yet another of life's battles, because that's my purpose in life.

You can vote again and make your voice heard. That's the whole point in voting in the first place.

Unless you lose, in which case you're just a cog in the system. :tongue:

Yeah, but everybody on the losing side feels that way. Just do what I did: get a beer, light a cigarette, and look forward to another chance in 2012.

Yeah, well I don't want to wait until 2012.

I now understand why start revolutions and riot. This is bullshit.

This isn't some game that was lost. This is the direction the country is going to head in for at least four years. And I don't like the looks of it.

To sum everything up: a very angry and confused WTF.

My first election, and my vote was useless. What the hell is the point of voting if the candidate I backed loses? Now policies I want nothing to do with will be passed, and there is nothing I can do about it.


If you want something done, send money.

That's how dad did it, that's how america does it, and it's worked pretty well so far.

I feel very happy.

America's back. I feel like after 8 years, we are again a free and democratic country.

Well, there is always the problem of corruption/lobbying in the legisaltive and executive branches, not to mention a potentially ideological juidicial branch (they can only appoint a judge, not fire one, right?). Then there is all the corporate abuses outside of government/state...

If you want something done, send money.

That's how dad did it, that's how america does it, and it's worked pretty well so far.

Yeah, if I had money to send.

You can vote again and make your voice heard. That's the whole point in voting in the first place.

Voting is only part of the democratic process. Don't be fooled by those authoritarians who tell you it only comes around every four years. "The ground you are standing on is a liberated zone - defend it!" and the other slogan woth thinking about "Think globally, act locally"
Do all you can to improve your immediate environment and be active and outspoken.
That is maintaining a democracy. Obama is well aware that 48% of American voters preferred McCain. The American people spoke and they wanted change. But that change now has to be fought for in every town and institution. You can improve democracy by being active and speaking the truth (your truth!)
Oh and did I say that America is the home of the brave and the land of ......

Yeah, well I don't want to wait until 2012.

I now understand why start revolutions and riot. This is bullshit.

This isn't some game that was lost. This is the direction the country is going to head in for at least four years. And I don't like the looks of it.

To sum everything up: a very angry and confused WTF.

I figured this was how it would turn out, so I'm not that bothered. I sincerely believe both candidates wished the best for this country, and I can only hope that Obama makes the right decisions when the time comes.

That being said, I can definitely see how people could be pissed that this happened.

I understand that Obama won because I supported McCain; I've lost yet another of life's battles, because that's my purpose in life.I know a few people who can continue to facilitate your special talent, if that be the case. I can see you being booked for many moons. If you're interested, i'll gladly forward your name and resume, if you care to share.

Yeah, well I don't want to wait until 2012.

I now understand why start revolutions and riot. This is bullshit.

This isn't some game that was lost. This is the direction the country is going to head in for at least four years. And I don't like the looks of it.

To sum everything up: a very angry and confused WTF.You could take a few career hints from Katherine Harris, if you really like, and enjoy the mirror for a while.

Yeah, in four years. Two for senators. I don't really want to grind my teeth in frustration for the next four years, but that's all I can do.

I'm still pissed, and probably will be for months. As will almost everyone I know.
Shouganai ne? I've felt that way for the last 8 years and both times my candidate lost, but... ya know what... it will change.

I know a few people who can continue to facilitate your special talent, if that be the case. I can see you being booked for many moons. If you're interested, i'll gladly forward your name and resume, if you care to share.
Hey, yeah, Stock market speculators would pay good money for effects like that.

Shouganai ne? I've felt that way for the last 8 years and both times my candidate lost, but... ya know what... it will change.

How the hell do you think I feel? I supported Gore, Kerry and McCain. The side which I support loses every time.

Personally, I think that America made a big cock-up by electing Obama to the office of President.

For starters, like Clinton, Carter and other wimpy Democrats before him, Obama is going to pander to dictators and expect that all you need to do to placate them is get them around the camp-fire and play Kumbaya.

Just like George (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islom_Karimov) W. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_of_Saud) Bush? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pervez_Musharraf)

Of course, I could go on, but I am not going to.Oh, come, you're SOOOOOOOOOO close!
A few more polishes and you'll be a shoo-in at the The Improv. Have faith in yourself.
Yes you can.

How the hell do you think I feel? I supported Gore, Kerry and McCain. The side which I support loses every time.That does seem a little strange. Have you tried supporting gravity?

Shouganai ne? I've felt that way for the last 8 years and both times my candidate lost, but... ya know what... it will change.

Call it the impulsivness or whatever of youth, but I want it to change now.

Well, I'm happy Obama won. Nothing bad happened. Surprising win though. Seems unreal, you know what I mean?

Yeah, well I don't want to wait until 2012.

I now understand why start revolutions and riot. This is bullshit.

This isn't some game that was lost. This is the direction the country is going to head in for at least four years. And I don't like the looks of it.

To sum everything up: a very angry and confused WTF.
It's also the way people voted. Some people I supported lost this time around and there's a few measures that will pass or not pass that have me pissed... but that's what the vote went to and it ain't bullshit, 'tis democracy.

That does seem a little strange. Have you tried supporting gravity?

Even more brilliant, I supported Howard in Australia, Merkel in Germany, and Yushchenko in Ukraine. Two lost, one won and got ousted.

Yeah, well I don't want to wait until 2012.

I now understand why start revolutions and riot. This is bullshit.

This isn't some game that was lost. This is the direction the country is going to head in for at least four years. And I don't like the looks of it.

To sum everything up: a very angry and confused WTF.Bush spoiled you. Did you really think that Republicans always win? Every so often, generally when a Republican president is running things and the economy is bad, a Democrat gets the presidency. Add in the fact that a lot of people in America have been feeling what you're feeling right now for eight f**king years, and you may be able to understand why you lost.

In conclusion: Cowboy up, you had your turn.

Call it the impulsivness or whatever of youth, but I want it to change now.
It has changed now. It's just not change in the way you want it. And you'll find as you grow up that that is generally what happens. The world works in ways beyond our intending, and although these ways can themselves be changed, that change too is generally not what we expected it to be.

Ferrous in the words of the country and western ballad,
"You've got to know when to use 'em, know when to lose 'em, kknow when to walk away, know when to run".....

Obama was a shoe-in as was Rudd. Howard should have retired and didn't.
Howard, Bush and Blair should never have taken us into Iraq on a lie. By January the 20th, none of them will be in power.
They made the world shift left because of disatrous military venture and idiotic free market economic policies.
But I guess you'd respectfully disagree with me on that.

Doesn't matter, for once the voting majority agrees with me! (Thou shalt not gloat!)

I'm glad Bush is out.

Ferrous in the words of the country and western ballad,
"You've got to know when to use, kow when to lose 'em, kknow when to walk away, know when to run".....

Man, I supported Yushchenko. He was a brilliant candidate running against one of the most corrupt govt.s on Earth. He lost, more or less. How can I have any faith in democracy after that? I should have learnt to give up back then.

MUCH safer then i did just a very few hours ago. and more hopeful then i have for the last 30 years at least.

we still need solar power and a balanced transportation infrastructure that does not depend on burning anything.

basically, ok, it isn't happily ever after time just yet, but we've got a future back, one of hope instead of foreboding.

one in which i feel far less paranoid to voice my differences with the status quo.

i feel like something resembling sanity has returned.

there's a lot more too of course. but relief is my main feeling, along with hope, to a degree i had almost forgotten was possible.

I'm glad Bush is out.

Yes, that too. Though he has another three months to destroy the US.

Vindicated. Tuesday came and went and no pancakes rained from the sky and I didn't have to waste any time building anyone's syrup hose.

I didn't have to waste any time building anyone's syrup hose.Gawd you're so HOT when you type like that.
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How do I feel?

I feel angry. God damn I feel angry. I'm been quivering with anger for hours. I feel cheated.

My first election, and my vote was useless. What the hell is the point of voting if the candidate I backed loses? Now policies I want nothing to do with will be passed, and there is nothing I can do about it.

What the hell.

So, yeah. I'm angry, disgruntled, and apprehensive towards the next four years.

Really? Well boo-fucking-hoo. Go cry me a river.

2000 was my first election, and not only was my vote "useless", it was useless because of fraud. And I had to see eight years of stupidity, war crimes, and generally any old crime possible to be committed against the people done so.

Don't whine about how you backed a lame horse and it lost fair and square. I look forward to America taking a least a tiny step forward, and am overflowing with joy at the self destruction of the Republican party.

Don't worry, in a decade or so the shoe will be on the other foot, and you'll be gloating over a Democrat loss.

Yeah, seriously though, I don't say this to be cruel, but how can somebody in their right mind have voted for GWB? I mean, I understand perfectly why some people would do so, but enough to squeeze through?

These are rhetorical questions, unless somebody wants to answer them.

Karl Rove, go indulge in a turd popsicle. Cheney, go to hell, you crook.

Yeah, seriously though, I don't say this to be cruel, but how can somebody in their right mind have voted for GWB? I mean, I understand perfectly why some people would do so, but enough to squeeze through?

Charisma. He was more charismatic than Kerry. EXACTLY THE SAME REASON Obama won today. Because he could talk better and because he could parrot on about "change" and "four more years of failed policies".

I hope Obama ends up like Kevin Rudd; he did the same thing, and after a year in power, he's lost $15 billion and censored the Internet. That's demagoguery for you.

Man, I supported Yushchenko. He was a brilliant candidate running against one of the most corrupt govt.s on Earth. He lost, more or less. How can I have any faith in democracy after that? I should have learnt to give up back then.

Uhm, didn't Yushchenko lose due to massive fraud, and in a re-vote, win? And last I recalled, his still President of Ukraine, and once again has a friendly government in parliament.

(Mods, feel free to merge this elsewhere if need be, but I thought that it was different enough to warrant its own home)

So we now have President (elect) Obama. It really is an historic moment, no matter if you supported him or Sen. McCain. So, here and now, at this moment, how are you feeling? What's the thoughts running through your mind?

As for me, I still have my doubts about President Obama, but I was willing to let him have a whack at it. But I will tell you all this, my son is 1-years-old (and a bit). He is the child of a Japanese mother and a White American father, so both bi-racial and multi-national. Tonight I am proud that when my son is old enough to start to understand the concept of what the president of the United States is, the man who will be holding that office will be just like him and that if he ever asks if he could every grow up to be president, I can honestly say YES!

After my initial "HOLY FUCK YES!" tears of joy at not seeing McCain win the election(something that would have probably put me in a lot more danger since I'm going into the military) I've since calmed down and settled into cautious optimism as I look at what will essentially be a one-party government. I hope desperately Obama proves to be as good as he makes himself out to be, and that the Democrats don't mess things up with super bad policy decisions because they have more or less complete control.

Uhm, didn't Yushchenko lose due to massive fraud, and in a re-vote, win? And last I recalled, his still President of Ukraine, and once again has a friendly government in parliament.

Last time I heard, his allies turned against him, so he's a useless President.

EDIT: There's going to be election soon. It's a mess.

Don't worry, in a decade or so the shoe will be on the other foot, and you'll be gloating over a Democrat loss.
*cough*Thoushallnotgloat*cough*

Dreadful. I donated blood yesterday and it went bad. While I didn't notice anything after the initial blood letting, as I travelled to Berlin by train, I noticed my arm was sorer than it's ever been after donating. When I took the bandage off about five hours later, it was still oozing blood and I had blood seeping under the skin where it didn't belong in about five or six spots.

2000 was my first election, and not only was my vote "useless", it was useless because of fraud. And I had to see eight years of stupidity, war crimes, and generally any old crime possible to be committed against the people done so.

Don't whine about how you backed a lame horse and it lost fair and square. I look forward to America taking a least a tiny step forward, and am overflowing with joy at the self destruction of the Republican party.

Don't worry, in a decade or so the shoe will be on the other foot, and you'll be gloating over a Democrat loss.Hello, good sir. I extend felicitations.
Whether i merit a return of such is your discretion, but i say in earnest i share much of your perspective here. *bows*
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Dreadful. I donated blood yesterday and it went bad. While I didn't notice anything after the initial blood letting, as I travelled to Berlin by train, I noticed my arm was sorer than it's ever been after donating. When I took the bandage off about five hours later, it was still oozing blood and I had blood seeping under the skin where it didn't belong in about five or six spots.
You ... uhm, doing anything with that bandage?

I am exhausted and ecstatic. I really didn't know how tense I was until CNN called it for Barack, precisely at 8PM Pacific Standard Time, and the whole building just went suborbital. Imagine a thousand people in a fairgrounds theatre standing up and screaming for a whole two minutes.

The day started sickeningly early for me. Our district Democratic Party delegate got together a detachment of volunteers to do "silent doorknocking" and hang literature on a bunch of households for last-minute get-out-the-vote, at four in the morning. Seven of us arrived and were given 90 houses each to doorknob. We managed to get 187 done, and had to stop because people were getting up to let the dog out, get ready for work, et al.

I did maybe 18 of the 187. Yeah, shabby. Anyway, 4AM is WAY too early for me, an Owl, to get up in the morning so I went home and slept for most of the day.

I woke up around 3PM and went up to my apartment complex's TV room in the clubhouse, since I don't have a television. I watched the election returns until we reached critical mass around 6PM. CNN called Ohio for Obama, and kicked us up to 196 Electoral College votes. I knew it was in the bag because it takes 270 to win, and the West Coast states had that easily. I left the TV room and headed down to the campaign office.

Those poor interns! They've had "work like we're 15 points behind" drilled into their skulls until it became a reflex and they were all saying, "It's NOT in the bag until all the votes are counted!" but we all knew better. Oregon, California and Washington had the required 74 Electoral votes between them and Florida's 27 was looking like a distinct promise when I turned off the telly ten minutes before. Maybe not the West Coast, but that and Florida gave Barack a mathematical lock on the day, even if everything else tipped for McCain (which didn't look likely, either). Even NPR was calling it for Obama.

I don't blame them for remaining skeptical. But by 7PM, enough people were flooding the office with whoops and victory dances and epic lauds that even the desperately-pressed, barely-daring-to-HOPE volunteers, interns and staff started to get giddy and allow themselves to admit that yes, WE HAD IT.

My city's election board puts on a huge Election Night shindig every two years and this year, I think one in five Eugenians hit the Fairgrounds. The room was packed, and charged. Our Congressman, Peter DeFazio, had his own room off to the side and there are rumours circulating that he's going to run for Governor in 2010. I made a beeline to the front of the big room and watched New Mexico go Blue, then the Pacific Time Zone at 8PM, and CNN came out on the top of the hour, not with "Election Projection" but "BREAKING NEWS"

.......


And the West Coast was a beautiful, deep, rich, Obaman BLUE!!! :hail:
Cue thousands of Eugenians screaming like all get out until their voice boxes broke. :fluffle:

And now, I'm wiped out. So I'll stop writing for now.
Forward!!

Charisma. He was more charismatic than Kerry. EXACTLY THE SAME REASON Obama won today.

I highly disagree on Bush being charismatic. Also, I'm not just talking about 2004, but 2000, when Bush lost the popular vote and got coronated by a conservative Florida supreme court. As far as getting enough votes to get by, he fooled around half the people only, perhaps, if even that. It was actually a combination of hatred for Clinton's shenanigans in 2000 and Gore being from that same administration. Gore should never have run, but I still can't believe people voted for W., who sounded exactly as smart as Palin this year in interviews and the debates. Charismatic my ass.

So with that said:

Because he could talk better

Good fucking Lord, you must be new. Or trolling.

and because he could parrot on about "change" and "four more years of failed policies".

What would you prefer? Parroting about made up terrorist friends and socialism? Oh, right, you did.

I hope Obama ends up like Kevin Rudd; he did the same thing, and after a year in power, he's lost $15 billion and censored the Internet. That's demagoguery for you.

Never heard of him.

Like shit to the delight of 99 percent % of my fellow NS Nations that dont give a dam. I really fear Obama and his fellow liberals will establish relations with dictators Fidel and Raul no matter what Obama says. Just like most nations of the world that dont care a dam about Cuban Americans or Cubans in Cuba, I still have family there. I realizeThe Cuba issue is very complicated and personal to Cuban Americans for you all to understand. Its similar to the issue between Jews and Arabs over Jerusalem and Israel, it really is. I will see if he is really serious about Cuba's freedom or just establishes relations like the rest of the world with his fellow Democrats in control of Congress. I know 99 percent of my fellow NS nations dont care. That has beeen proven over and over. I like will see after this post. Want a bet $, easist NS money $ I will ever win. If Obama shows me and my fellow Cuban Americans he really cares about freedoms in Cuba I will eat my posts. And I will vote for Obama's re-election.

Obama is President-Elect and Elian Gonzalez is still in Cuba.

Deal.

I am worry about his economic policies. Raising tax during the current economic crisis really bothers me. This is not to say that I wouldn't be equally worry about Mccain's continue tax cut has he won instead.

Proof that every people get the government they deserve Eventually. We have reached the point in Democracy where the People vote themselves gifts from the Treasury.

I highly disagree on Bush being charismatic. Also, I'm not just talking about 2004, but 2000, when Bush lost the popular vote and got coronated by a conservative Florida supreme court. As far as getting enough votes to get by, he fooled around half the people only, perhaps, if even that. It was actually a combination of hatred for Clinton's shenanigans in 2000 and Gore being from that same administration. Gore should never have run, but I still can't believe people voted for W., who sounded exactly as smart as Palin this year in interviews and the debates. Charismatic my ass.

Compared to Kerry, Bush was fricken Hitler in terms of charisma. That was the Republican's mistake; they picked the least vital person in the party.

You ... uhm, doing anything with that bandage?Nothing I haven't done with the ones from previous donations: wore it and threw it away.

Nothing I haven't done with the ones from previous donations: wore it and threw it away.There's a market. Dunno how it is over on that side of the pond, but pickin's look slim in happenstance, least the short-to-moderate term.
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We have reached the point in Democracy where the People vote themselves gifts from the Treasury.Hey, c'mon up and visit Alaska sometime. You'll love it. Great red state. Ya know, Governor Palin, Senator Stevens ...

Charismatic my ass.Admittedly, i'd contentedly watch looped video of Bush choking on a pretzel, falling off of Segways and running into bike-riding Italian police for quite a while, to my great amusement ... if that kind of watchability somewhat resembles charisma, perhaps i'll offer it here.

Admittedly, i'd contentedly watch looped video of Bush choking on a pretzel, falling off of Segways and running into bike-riding Italian police for quite a while, to my great amusement ... if that kind of watchability somewhat resembles charisma, perhaps i'll offer it here.

Oh, Bush was fine with charisma. It's the other things he is lacking.

I feel that Obama has pressed the reset switch on the United States in regards to the world, and that the breather will give the nation a chance to climb out of the shit-ditch that it has been dug into by the current administration.

Oh, Bush was fine with charisma. It's the other things he is lacking.

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*sobs*
*gets lighter*

More than twice the electorates with around 10% more votes.

This election has been a victory for the electorate system of the USA...at least they got the winner to white house this time... :tongue:

(Mods, feel free to merge this elsewhere if need be, but I thought that it was different enough to warrant its own home)

So we now have President (elect) Obama. It really is an historic moment, no matter if you supported him or Sen. McCain. So, here and now, at this moment, how are you feeling? What's the thoughts running through your mind?

As for me, I still have my doubts about President Obama, but I was willing to let him have a whack at it. But I will tell you all this, my son is 1-years-old (and a bit). He is the child of a Japanese mother and a White American father, so both bi-racial and multi-national. Tonight I am proud that when my son is old enough to start to understand the concept of what the president of the United States is, the man who will be holding that office will be just like him and that if he ever asks if he could every grow up to be president, I can honestly say YES!


Unless they drag up some nonsense about him being born in Japan to a Japanese mother and so question his citizenship.

I'm just hoping that Obama will begin to dismantle that disgusting "Patriot Act" and that useless "Homeland Security."

How am I feeling?

Im feeling optimistic.

I dont get this way by nature, but lets take a step back and observe whats happened today.

America voted in its first Black president.

Were talking about a country that 40 years ago, were fighting in the streets about civil rights and equality. A nation built on slavery, and fought a civil war over states rights.
A nation that used to openly revel in its own racism.

We have an African-American President-Elect!

Thats a HUGE step in the right direction!

We turned out in record numbers today, waiting in very long lines for hours in some places.
We, as a nation, cast our votes to vote in the candidate of our choice, and out of the very qualfied (or unqualified in Palins case) chose a black man to lead us.

This is so huge, if you dont live here, or have read much about our 20th century history, you really cant appreciate it.

You see, maybe, just maybe, we arent a nation of small minded racist assholes, who hate everyone not white and Christian. Just maybe, we eventually learn from our mistakes, and begin to make the right choices!

MAYBE, this had been the first step to the path we've been needing to take for a long time.

I dont want to place too many high expectations on Obama. Thats not fair to him, even if we already are looking to him as some sort of messiah.
All he has to do is stay honest, work hard...and not fuck up.

My message to him would, in fact, be: Dont fuck it up!

Unless they drag up some nonsense about him being born in Japan to a Japanese mother and so question his citizenship.

I'm just hoping that Obama will begin to dismantle that disgusting "Patriot Act" and that useless "Homeland Security."


John McCAIN wasnt born in the continental US either.
It really doesnt matter, technically, as long as you are born a natural citizen of the US.

that useless "Homeland Security."Thought i'd heard mention of Obama seeing someone about that today, BEFORE the vote. Could just be scuttlebutt.

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I feel that Obama has pressed the reset switch on the United States in regards to the world, and that the breather will give the nation a chance to climb out of the shit-ditch that it has been dug into by the current administration.

Well, for what it's worth (and that ain't much) I hope you're right. I suspect that, all he's going to do, is finish the job on America, by showing the world that not only do Americans go to war, but afterward, they abandon their allies (a reiteration of the Vietnam Lesson) when it's no longer convenient or comfortable. A Greater Fundamentalist Islamic State of Iran encompassing Iraq and possibly Afghanistan seems much, much, more likely now, and with it, an increase in power for that faction.

Admittedly, this would deeply please the EU as it would validate their decision to surrender all reason to the Wahhabist Mob and leap blindly into the realm of Dhimmitude unfettered and unrestrained.

Meanwhile, "back at the ranch", an equally un-hindered single-party state, deep in debt and swimming in entitlements for all, adopts legislation to squelch or quell centers of dissent to the applause of the State Media, while carefully creating a Party Militia and removing the rights of non-member civilians to own arms.

Anything this single-party state does, is "Mandated" and therefore "Mandatory". In the name of "Gun Crime" citizens are disarmed. In the name of "Fairness" they are silenced. In the name of "Economic Justice" their property and livelihoods are taken-selectively, based on how much they annoyed someone, or how easy a mark they are.

Children are encouraged to inform on their parents, to sing Party songs and celebrate the Beloved Leader, in the name of "Unity".

Churches are pressured to conform or lose their status in the name of "Social Progress".

In the name of "Security" those who gather too much attention opposing the Regime are imprisoned as terrorists, since the Patriot Act remains in force, but now has an administration that feels safe in using its full provisions on the domestic front. Property is seized and sold off, or given to selected groups.

By the time 2012 comes around, there IS no organized opposition, only The Party. By 2016, there is no need for another election, a "Living Constitution" interpretation invalidates the 22nd amendment.

The "People" cheer. Liberty dies.

This is my NIGHTMARE. I wouldn't tolerate it from Republicans, but they're not exactly the most efficient propogandizers in the world and the Media hates 'em enough that they wouldn't dare go so far-they also don't work in unity worth a damn. Democrats, on the other hand, are VERY organized, and have been seething since 1994. Now, they have a "Mandate" and no threat of restraint. Whether there are any remnant Ethics, honour, or respect for actual Liberty left among them remains to be seen.

How am I feeling?

We have an African-American President-Elect!
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Isn't every human of African origin?

There's no term more contrived IMO than African-American...Would an Aborigine be labeled as "African American" too?
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Carry on. :)

Oh, it just occured to me - Predator Barbie has four years to campaign for her run for President. Do you think Hilary will run against her? If so, I'll have to vote Democratic again.

Well, for what it's worth (and that ain't much) I hope you're right. I suspect that, all he's going to do, is finish the job on America, by showing the world that not only do Americans go to war, but afterward, they abandon their allies (a reiteration of the Vietnam Lesson) when it's no longer convenient or comfortable. A Greater Fundamentalist Islamic State of Iran encompassing Iraq and possibly Afghanistan seems much, much, more likely now, and with it, an increase in power for that faction.

Admittedly, this would deeply please the EU as it would validate their decision to surrender all reason to the Wahhabist Mob and leap blindly into the realm of Dhimmitude unfettered and unrestrained.

Meanwhile, "back at the ranch", an equally un-hindered single-party state, deep in debt and swimming in entitlements for all, adopts legislation to squelch or quell centers of dissent to the applause of the State Media, while carefully creating a Party Militia and removing the rights of non-member civilians to own arms.

Anything this single-party state does, is "Mandated" and therefore "Mandatory". In the name of "Gun Crime" citizens are disarmed. In the name of "Fairness" they are silenced. In the name of "Economic Justice" their property and livelihoods are taken-selectively, based on how much they annoyed someone, or how easy a mark they are.

Children are encouraged to inform on their parents, to sing Party songs and celebrate the Beloved Leader, in the name of "Unity".

Churches are pressured to conform or lose their status in the name of "Social Progress".

In the name of "Security" those who gather too much attention opposing the Regime are imprisoned as terrorists, since the Patriot Act remains in force, but now has an administration that feels safe in using its full provisions on the domestic front. Property is seized and sold off, or given to selected groups.

By the time 2012 comes around, there IS no organized opposition, only The Party. By 2016, there is no need for another election, a "Living Constitution" interpretation invalidates the 22nd amendment.

The "People" cheer. Liberty dies.

This is my NIGHTMARE. I wouldn't tolerate it from Republicans, but they're not exactly the most efficient propogandizers in the world and the Media hates 'em enough that they wouldn't dare go so far-they also don't work in unity worth a damn. Democrats, on the other hand, are VERY organized, and have been seething since 1994. Now, they have a "Mandate" and no threat of restraint. Whether there are any remnant Ethics, honour, or respect for actual Liberty left among them remains to be seen.

Excuse me... the last time I read the news, the name of the President-Elect of the United States was Barack Hussein Obama, not Hugo Chavez.

And the whole Dhimmitude tripe is more Islamaphobic crap weaved to conjure up this bullshit notion that Muslims are somehow organized into a single group out to Caliphate Europe on the scale of SPECTRE or COBRA.

Palin's done, unless the Republicans need a sacrifice candidate so that it doesn't look entirely like they've given up. She's too damaged to run again.

Oh, it just occured to me - Predator Barbie has four years to campaign for her run for President. Do you think Hilary will run against her? If so, I'll have to vote Democratic again.

No. They'll have a good candidate next time around.

Palin's done, unless the Republicans need a sacrifice candidate so that it doesn't look entirely like they've given up. She's too damaged to run again.

That's EXACTLY what they'll do.

No. They'll have a good candidate next time around.

I hope so.

Excuse me... the last time I read the news, the name of the President-Elect of the United States was Barack Hussein Obama, not Hugo Chavez.

And the whole Dhimmitude tripe is more Islamaphobic crap weaved to conjure up this bullshit notion that Muslims are somehow organized into a single group out to Caliphate Europe on the scale of SPECTRE or COBRA.

I told you, it's my <i>Nightmare</i>. I really, REALLY hope you're right. Unfortunately, I don't THINK you're right.

AS for the whole "Islamophobic" crap- I'll accept your position when Belgium tries and convicts the men who killed that cartoonist, instead of condemning the cartoonist and the newspapers that ran it, and when the EU starts treating radical islamic groups as they would anyone else that threatens violence simply because someone said or printed something they didn't like.

I feel very mixed. The Republicans have messed up everything for nearly a decade. They have betrayed any principles they allegedly had. They forced me to vote Democrat! :eek:

However, now we have a President, Congress, and Senate run by the same party. I just hope they don't think this win is an excuse to go hog-wild. A radical leftist government would be just as disastrous as the unchecked Republican govt was.

You've got your chance President Obama. Don't blow it.

Well I'm giddy that Obama won Indiana. I'm however disappointed that Mitch Daniels is still governor.

Oh, it just occured to me - Predator Barbie has four years to campaign for her run for President. Do you think Hilary will run against her? If so, I'll have to vote Democratic again.

I'd imagine Obama will be running again in four years.....

And how do I feel? From an international person's perspective - rainbows aren't shining out of his arse, unicorns aren't eating out of his hand and the sun isn't shining any stronger.

He may be the new President (er, elect), but he's still the American President, so pardon me if I remain a little hesitant to jump on the "OMG he's so wonderful, life's gonna change" bandwagon.

I hope we can forget Bush soon.

I'm pleasantly surprised, given how loudly the neo-cons have been crowing the past eight years about their mandate from the people. It seems now that the people have spoken. I thought McCain's speech was gracious and classy.

I guess the Democrats were just Biden their time, and the Republicans were Palin comparison.

I guess the Democrats were just Biden their time, and the Republicans were Palin comparison.
*groans* Kat, am I going to have to give you a note for your mother about these bad puns? :tongue:

Like shit to the delight of 99 percent % of my fellow NS Nations that dont give a dam. I really fear Obama and his fellow liberals will establish relations with dictators Fidel and Raul no matter what Obama says. Just like most nations of the world that dont care a dam about Cuban Americans or Cubans in Cuba, I still have family there. I realizeThe Cuba issue is very complicated and personal to Cuban Americans for you all to understand. Its similar to the issue between Jews and Arabs over Jerusalem and Israel, it really is. I will see if he is really serious about Cuba's freedom or just establishes relations like the rest of the world with his fellow Democrats in control of Congress. I know 99 percent of my fellow NS nations dont care. That has beeen proven over and over. I like will see after this post. Want a bet $, easist NS money $ I will ever win. If Obama shows me and my fellow Cuban Americans he really cares about freedoms in Cuba I will eat my posts. And I will vote for Obama's re-election.
And what, precisely, has the embargo and sanctions against Cuba done for the citizens of that nation? Has it put food on their tables? Has it placed wealth in their hands? Or is it punishing a generation that wasn't even alive when the Castros took over?

Revenge hurts those who take it on others as much as their targets.

How do I feel?

I feel angry. God damn I feel angry. I'm been quivering with anger for hours. I feel cheated.

My first election, and my vote was useless. What the hell is the point of voting if the candidate I backed loses? Now policies I want nothing to do with will be passed, and there is nothing I can do about it.

What the hell.

So, yeah. I'm angry, disgruntled, and apprehensive towards the next four years.
How the other half of the country felt for eight years.

Yeah, well I don't want to wait until 2012.

I now understand why start revolutions and riot. This is bullshit.

This isn't some game that was lost. This is the direction the country is going to head in for at least four years. And I don't like the looks of it.

To sum everything up: a very angry and confused WTF.
You like the way it's gone, with gas prices doubling, people losing their homes and pensions, and us getting entangled in the Middle East? Because honestly, that's WHY McCain lost.

How the other half of the country felt for eight years.

Yeah, that's a wonderful system, one half of the country spends eight years wailing on the other half. Good thing I don't live in the US.

Yeah, that's a wonderful system, one half of the country spends eight years wailing on the other half. Good thing I don't live in the US.
Funny. The president elect does not even take office for two months, and already people are wailing about how he's destroying the country and marginalizing half the country....

Jeez, at least wait a year to see what he actually does.

The Republicans had it their way for eight years, and the attitude was "too fucking bad, so fucking sad, quitcherbitching." Now that they're no longer ascendant, it seems like the fear, rage, and paranoia have set in. Why?

Yay! Obama won! :D

It is awesome that he won!:D

It is awesome that he won!:D

And it was pretty much a landslide too! :D

The Republicans had it their way for eight years, and the attitude was "too fucking bad, so fucking sad, quitcherbitching." Now that they're no longer ascendant, it seems like the fear, rage, and paranoia have set in. Why?

Revenge. Not just because he a Democrat, but because he's black. Why would you do that? It's like electing a Jew to the top post of Nazi Germany. Yeah, he's gonna be REAL friendly.

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He (personally) was going any road.

Revenge. Not just because he a Democrat, but because he's black. Why would you do that? It's like electing a Jew to the top post of Nazi Germany. Yeah, he's gonna be REAL friendly.

And it was about time the US had a black president. I still fail to see a problem with that. I hope there isn't that much ignorance in the US nowadays. I hope so.

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OMG! That is teh lulz! :D

*groans* Kat, am I going to have to give you a note for your mother about these bad puns? :tongue:
Probably. Sorry.

Revenge. Not just because he a Democrat, but because he's black. Why would you do that? It's like electing a Jew to the top post of Nazi Germany. Yeah, he's gonna be REAL friendly.
How precisely does his skin color affect his ability to lead? It's like saying blue-eyed people can't dance.

I'm sorry but I can't think nice things about the US its just...wrong

do you think we should just give up now and get used to living in a hyperpower world again? (or should we make this a 5th of November no one will ever forget!?)

It's like saying blue-eyed people can't dance.

there may be some truth to this :p

How do I feel?

I feel angry. God damn I feel angry. I'm been quivering with anger for hours. I feel cheated.


That is how I have felt for the last eight years. Literally.



As for how I feel right now... lightened. Like I've just taken a backpack full of sand off my back. The future seems like something to be looked forward to instead of dreaded, now. At least a shift in that direction.

I suppose I am elated.

Probably. Sorry.


How precisely does his skin color affect his ability to lead? It's like saying blue-eyed people can't dance.

I'm blue-eyed and I can't dance.

I'm blue-eyed and I can't dance.

*slaps HK senseless*
You ain't the president of the US!

:D

I don't think he will survive his legislature.
The Ku Klux Klan boys (or other racists) will iron their sheets and shoot him like a duck.

How precisely does his skin color affect his ability to lead? It's like saying blue-eyed people can't dance.

I never said he wouldn't be a good leader. He just won't be a good leader for whites. He's going to wail on white people.

I don't think he will survive his legislature.
The Ku Klux Klan boys (or other racists) will iron their sheets and shoot him like a duck.

Gods, feline, have a little more faith.

I never said he wouldn't be a good leader. He just won't be a good leader for whites. He's going to wail on white people.

He's not a member of the Crips.

He's not a member of the Crips.

Doesn't matter, all black people are the same right?

And it was about time the US had a black president.
As had been said before (I think by Kat and others) the media has been preparing the US public for a black President for years. Morgan Freeman in Deep Impact, Dennis Haybert in 24, even James Earl Jones in the 70's. Other comedies like Idiocracy or Sci Fi like The Fifth Element too.

It's not that much of a stretch.

I'm scared shitless, to be honest. Obama has absolutely NO experience in big time politics, and in my opinion, has no right to be our nation's next Commander-in-Chief. I can't predict the future, but unless a miracle happens, it is not looking good in my view. A bunch of folks think he's the antichrist....I won't go that far, but I don't think he's our nation's savior either. I know that black Americans have wished for this day for a looong time and I applaude their preserverence. But, are we ready to take this collective step as a nation in a time of war on two fronts? I'm not conviced. Sorry, Sen. McCain, I tried!

He's not a member of the Crips.

So? If I was him, I would totally grind white American into the ground. Why WOULDN'T he? He and his party have total control. Short of a coup, nobody can stop him.

Doesn't matter, all black people are the same right?

Some are bastards, some are very nice people. Most are something between.

Hey! That's exactly how it works with whites.

I'm scared shitless, to be honest. Obama has absolutely NO experience in big time politics, and in my opinion, has no right to be our nation's next Commander-in-Chief. I can't predict the future, but unless a miracle happens, it is not looking good in my view. A bunch of folks think he's the antichrist....I won't go that far, but I don't think he's our nation's savior either. I know that black Americans have wished for this day for a looong time and I applaude their preserverence. But, are we ready to take this collective step as a nation in a time of war on two fronts? I'm not conviced. Sorry, Sen. McCain, I tried!


All presidents had no presidential experience before. Experience is important, but other stuff play a huge role as well.

Experience is something you can buy or hire.

So? If I was him, I would totally grind white American into the ground. Why WOULDN'T he? He and his party have total control. Short of a coup, nobody can stop him.

Hehe, maybe he'll paint the White House black. :)

Hehe, maybe he'll paint the White House black. :)

That is exactly what I would do if I was him. I'd also fly a Kenyan flag over it.

Hehe, maybe he'll paint the White House black. :)

Oh no, you didn't.:eek:

You like the way it's gone, with gas prices doubling, people losing their homes and pensions, and us getting entangled in the Middle East? Because honestly, that's WHY McCain lost.


...Aren't the reason people are losing houses because of a democrat letting anyone be able to by a house?

...Aren't the reason people are losing houses because of a democrat letting anyone be able to by a house?

Yeah, I gotta tell you, that does not seem like a GOP kind of policy.

Ferrous...good thing you're not our Prez elect.

That is exactly what I would do if I was him. I'd also fly a Kenyan flag over it.

You are really afraid, isn't?

That is exactly what I would do if I was him. I'd also fly a Kenyan flag over it.

I guess you'd make a crap president, then.

You are really afraid, isn't?

Yep. Sorry, but you shit on an entire race for two hundreds years, and then give them absolute power, they're going to crush you. And I don't trust Obama to stop with white Americans; I reckon he'll come here.

I really am impressed by the majority Obama won.

Yep. Sorry, but you shit on an entire race for two hundreds years, and then give them absolute power, they're going to crush you. And I don't trust Obama to stop with white Americans; I reckon he'll come here.

Where do you live, Ferrous?

Where do you live, Ferrous?

Australia. We'll probably be the first to go after the US if Obama does go for revenge as I expect he will. Easy target, very white.

Yep. Sorry, but you shit on an entire race for two hundreds years, and then give them absolute power, they're going to crush you. And I don't trust Obama to stop with white Americans; I reckon he'll come here.

I'm thinking of using you as bling bling around my neck. :)

As an ardent conservative, it is a given to say that I am not happy at all with how the election played out. I can honestly say that I am deeply dissappointed with Sen. McCain because he did not run a true conservative campaign. Sen. Obama won this election because the American people were tired of President Bush. John McCain was going to be a repeat. McCain, in order to secure the victory last night, needed to break away from Bush politics and be the cornerstone for new era of Republicans. The best thing he did all campaign for the Republicans was have Gov. Sarah Palin as his running mate. She was the true conservative.

In regards to my opinion on President Barack Hussein Obama, I strongly feel that the American nation is headed towards a downward spiral into oblivion. His socialist policies and his pro-European agenda is what is going to dethrone the superpower that was the United States. May God have mercy on our souls!

Australia. We'll probably be the first to go after the US if Obama does go for revenge as I expect he will. Easy target, very white.

You're an alarmist and a fear-monger. Why would Obama want to attack Australia? For the love of god.

You're an alarmist and a fear-monger. Why would Obama want to attack Australia? For the love of god.

Hatred of white people.

Hatred of white people.

What is the matter with you?!

You're an alarmist and a fear-monger. Why would Obama want to attack Australia? For the love of god.

Why would anyone attack Australia?

Hatred of white people.

Barrack Obama has his hands full. He has a country to rule. That man is an intelligent man and I don't think he will be ennacting any "revenge" against "white" people. Come on, stop the conspiracy theories.

What is the matter with you?!

Do you smell that?

It's troll, son. Nothing else on the world smells like that.
I love the smell of trolls in the morning.

Y'know, once we had a hail bomb....12 hours....and when it was all over I walked up. We didn't find one of them, not one stinking dink body.

Seriously Ferrous Oxide, I think you're two sandwiches short of a picnic. :p

4 years of more of the same. Happy days.

Barrack Obama has his hands full. He has a country to rule. That man is an intelligent man and I don't think he will be ennacting any "revenge" against "white" people. Come on, stop the conspiracy theories.

But without ridiculous conspiracy theories people don't pay attention to me :(

Do you smell that?

It's troll, son. Nothing else on the world smells like that.
I love the smell of trolls in the morning.

Y'know, once we had a hail bomb....12 hours....and when it was all over I walked up. We didn't find one of them, not one stinking dink body.

Yeah, and you know what they say. Don't feed the trolls. I'm outtie.:wink:

Barrack Obama has his hands full. He has a country to rule. That man is an intelligent man and I don't think he will be ennacting any "revenge" against "white" people. Come on, stop the conspiracy theories.

I'm just telling it how it is. I would get revenge if I ever got a whiff of power, why not expect Obama to the same? Bush did.

I'm just telling it how it is. I would get revenge if I ever got a whiff of power, why not expect Obama to the same? Bush did.

Not everyone is like you! Get the message already!

I'm sure you would indeed start bombing countries based on stupid things like race and revenge, FO.

But, the reason why we don't expect Obama to do the same is because he is a reasonable, balanced person, and you are neither.

I'm just telling it how it is. I would get revenge if I ever got a whiff of power, why not expect Obama to the same? Bush did.

You can accuse Bush from anything, but he's not a racist.

Never thought I would defend Bush. :)

I'm just telling it how it is. I would get revenge if I ever got a whiff of power, why not expect Obama to the same? Bush did.
Because Obama isn't as mentally ill as you or Bush from the look of things.

You can accuse Bush from anything, but he's not a racist.

Never thought I would defend Bush. :)

Bush got revenge against Saddam. America elected him. How is he so different from Obama?

Well I can honestly say I'm thrilled to have Barack Obama president of the USA and leader of the free world. I have felt strongly for him throughout his whole campaign. I even sat up watching the results come in, and I live in Finland! The first results started coming in at 1 AM over here hahah

Bush got revenge against Saddam. America elected him. How is he so different from Obama?

Eh? 911 happened and in the opinion of Bush, Iraq was behind it.

I don't see the link with Obama...but I'm not that smart as you. Please teach me?

I'm just telling it how it is. I would get revenge if I ever got a whiff of power, why not expect Obama to the same? Bush did.

mmm... delicious troll. But i'm full, I couldn't take another bite!

*Turns into a bat and leaves troll sobbing alone*

Well I can honestly say I'm thrilled to have Barack Obama president of the USA and leader of the free world. I have felt strongly for him throughout his whole campaign. I even sat up watching the results come in, and I live in Finland! The first results started coming in at 1 AM over here hahah

My TV was broke and I have only one. So I stayed next to the radio, the entire night. I live in Europe as well.

Why would anyone attack Australia?

Ask the Japs

Yeah, and you know what they say. Don't feed the trolls. I'm outtie.:wink:

You're an outtie? I think outtie belly-buttons are kinda cute.

You're an outtie? I think outtie belly-buttons are kinda cute.

hahaha!

(Suprisingly, my belly button is an outie. :D )

/threadjack

Ask the Japs

That is not a nice word.

That is not a nice word.

The next president will be from Japanese origin.

You're an outtie? I think outtie belly-buttons are kinda cute.

Calli-kun, outtie as in leaving the thread. But you, you!! You called me back!:eek2:

You're an alarmist and a fear-monger. Why would Obama want to attack Australia? For the love of god.

No, dear Nanatsu, I am afraid he is not. He is a particularly durable troll, in fact. He is therefore impervious to logic, reason, etc.

The next president will be from Japanese origin.
What, Palin-chan?

The next president will be from Japanese origin.

All the more reason not to use racial slurs then.

No, dear Nanatsu, I am afraid he is not. He is a particularly durable troll, in fact.

Indeed. It was pointed out to me that FO is a durable troll. Durable and irritating.

What, Palin-chan?

Palin-sama. *nod*

That is exactly what I would do if I was him. I'd also fly a Kenyan flag over it.
Whilst I know you're making that statement to try and appeal against a skin-colour group, I'd also like to see a Kenyan flag fly. Not only would it (along with others flags) show a willingness to work with others, it also looks pretty cool.

Not to mention come with a whole series of sillly 'predictions' that: A) There is no evidence of him wanting to to that, B) Almost all non-cosmetic changes would need legislative support and C) Tries to conflate the experience that poor blacks had with a middle-class person (hive-mind ftl).

Some in the US might be celebrating, but not as much as Obama, Japan.
http://gmy.news.yahoo.com/v/10541739

Sometimes I really wonder about this country, but God I love it! :D

Indeed. It was pointed out to me that FO is a durable troll. Durable and irritating.

He was not even a good troll. I don't mind a little trolling but they have to be good.

Calli-kun, outtie as in leaving the thread. But you, you!! You called me back!:eek2:

Oh I see. I thought you were referring to your navel.

I am afraid I will probably be heading to bed shortly as well... it's 5:30 in the morning... and a good portion of those 36 beers I bought to celebrate with my friends a few hours ago have taken their toll... I am exhausted... though sobering up, unfortunately. That's the problem with being only small amount of drunk... you have to keep drinking to avoid becoming sober rather quickly. :(

Eh? 911 happened and in the opinion of Bush, Iraq was behind it.

I don't see the link with Obama...but I'm not that smart as you. Please teach me?

Bush attacked Iraq to get revenge for the time Saddam tried to kill Bush Sr.. Who says Obama wouldn't have a similar hang up? He's black, so I can see one already.

Indeed. It was pointed out to me that FO is a durable troll. Durable and irritating.

This is what I ACTUALLY BELIEVE. Deal with it.

Palin-sama. *nod*
Nah, she's a woman of the people :p

Some in the US might be celebrating, but not as much as Obama, Japan.
http://gmy.news.yahoo.com/v/10541739

Sometimes I really wonder about this country, but God I love it! :D

I love the Japanese!

Nihon, suki da yo!!!!:fluffle:

Indeed. It was pointed out to me that FO is a durable troll. Durable and irritating.

The irritating bit is why I have him on ignore. I said what I thought of him (though I was red carded for it... lucky, I expected to be banned), and so any further posts of his are not worth my time.

I doubt his posts are worth your time, either.

Nah, she's a woman of the people :p

Palin-chama, then?:p

You're an alarmist and a fear-monger. Why would Obama want to attack Australia? For the love of god.

PNG would be more likely to attack us than the U.S.A (or a lawyer) would, and they don't want to attack.

Bush attacked Iraq to get revenge for the time Saddam tried to kill Bush Sr.. Who says Obama wouldn't have a similar hang up? He's black, so I can see one already.



This is what I ACTUALLY BELIEVE. Deal with it.


Can I join your religion? I admire you.

The irritating bit is why I have him on ignore. I said what I thought of him (though I was red carded for it... lucky, I expected to be banned), and so any further posts of his are not worth my time.

I doubt his posts are worth your time, either.

Yeah, the Ignore Button is me friend, I guess.:tongue:

Palin-chama, then?:p
Yeah, alright :tongue:

He was not even a good troll. I don't mind a little trolling but they have to be good.


None will ever equal the trolling might of Jessussaves. *nods*

This is what I ACTUALLY BELIEVE. Deal with it.

And you're not an American nor live there so, whatever you believe, is completely inconsequential.

PNG would attack us more than the U.S.A (or a lawyer) would, and they don't want to attack.

Why? We help PNG, and if they even have a navy, I'd be extremely surprised.

And you're not an American nor live there so, whatever you believe, is completely inconsequential.

So Obama being elected doesn't affect me? Tell that to the people of Iraq.

So Obama being elected doesn't effect me? Tell that to the people of Iraq.
Your views being of no consequence is not the same as his actions being of no consequence.

Why would anyone attack Australia?
Maybe Tasmania sold some bad hash?

Or perhaps so that they can pre-emptively stop Aus from taking breaching the antarctic treaty, and use the Australian Antarctic Territory as a base to hide nuclear weapons and take over the rest of Antarctica!

Quick, we need to invade now!

So Obama being elected doesn't effect me? Tell that to the people of Iraq.

Your inconsequential views have nothing to do, whatsoever, with what Obama decides to do.

One more thing, is Australia that important to the US that they will attack it? Need I remind you, chicken brain, that the Iraq situation was something else?

And you're not an American nor live there so, whatever you believe, is completely inconsequential.

As well as completely delusional, in this case. Just because FO's a horrible excuse for a human being doesn't mean that we all are, or that Obama is.

I'm surprised you still have the patience for FO... perhaps you are amused by him?

I'll be surprised if anything actually changes.

I mean, I'm sure Obama means well, but realistically, corporations have their hooks deep in US politics and this probably won't change.

Oh, but I do hope that he fixes the American economy, when the economy there is shitty, so is ours.

Your inconsequential views have nothing to do, whatsoever, with what Obama decides to do.

One more thing, is Australia that important to the US that they will attack it? Need I remind you, chicken brain, that the Iraq situation was something else?

Again, when Obama wants revenge against whites, he'll attack Australia. We're easy beats.

Again, when Obama wants revenge against whites, he'll attack Australia. We're easy beats.

Please for the love of all that is good troll, shut up.

I'll be surprised if anything actually changes.

I mean, I'm sure Obama means well, but realistically, corporations have their hooks deep in US politics and this probably won't change.

If Obama does nothing, I'll thank the heavens.

Hatred of white people.

bullshit dude you need some real help if you think he go to war with us over bring white

Again, when Obama wants revenge against whites, he'll attack Australia. We're easy beats.
Nah, the RN and RAF will step in if he does. Yer still ruled by the Queen and all, so it'd be pretty insulting for you guys to be attacked.

As well as completely delusional, in this case. Just because FO's a horrible excuse for a human being doesn't mean that we all are, or that Obama is.

I'm surprised you still have the patience for FO... perhaps you are amused by him?

*sighs*
That patience's already thinning. I really must have nothing else to do to be arguing with that Chicken Brain.

Nah, the RN and RAF will step in if he does. Yer still ruled by the Queen and all, so it'd be pretty insulting for you guys to be attacked.

RN? RAF? Hahaha, the US could wipe the floor with the UK's military.

I'm done here; you people don't take my views seriously, so there's no point in debating you.

Bush got revenge against Saddam. America elected him. How is he so different from Obama?
I view invading Iraq idea/push as a mix of U.S.A supremacy lobbyists (including most of the higher-ups in the Bush administration), and a desire by GWB to show how much better he was than his dad.

Nah, the RN and RAF will step in if he does. Yer still ruled by the Queen and all, so it'd be pretty insulting for you guys to be attacked.

so the RAN and RAAF with backing from RN and RAF can easy put up a fight

so the ran and raaf with backing from rn and raf can easy put up a fight
Aye, HUZZAH!

*sighs*
That patience's already thinning. I really must have nothing else to do to be arguing with that Chicken Brain.

Well, I have one thing that's basically the best thing for me to do right now... sleep.

What a great day it has been... except for that pesky prop 8... can't win 'em all I suppose...

RN? RAF? Hahaha, the US could wipe the floor with the UK's military.

I'm done here; you people don't take my views seriously, so there's no point in debating you.
Of course we don't take your views seriously.

Well, I have one thing that's basically the best thing for me to do right now... sleep.

What a great day it has been... except for that pesky prop 8... can't win 'em all I suppose...

Well, Calli-kin, have a nice sleep. I better go back to work, before I flame the troll.

Of course we don't take your views seriously.

Why?

Why?

Because you're a troll. That's why.

Why?
Because I laugh in the face of ill-informed racists.

Why?

You are a rather foolish troll, and very close to going on my ignore list.

Again, when Obama wants revenge against whites, he'll attack Australia. We're easy beats.
Does this mean, as a 'white' that I can invade Asia, Oceania and Africa?

Yay, I always wanted to wear silly costumes whilst locals look at me strangely! :)

Because you're a troll. That's why.

For the last time, I'm NOT a troll. I believe every word I say.

Does this mean, as a 'white' that I can invade Asia, Oceania and Africa?

Yay, I always wanted to wear silly costumes whilst locals look at me strangely! :)

How does that makes sense? Are you the most powerful man in the world? Do you have a specific grudge against any of those places?

Does this mean, as a 'white' that I can invade Asia, Oceania and Africa?
I know I have!
Yay, I always wanted to wear silly costumes whilst locals look at me strangely! :)
Why else would god create 3-piece suits?

For the last time, I'm NOT a troll. I believe every word I say.

Yet you insult eveyone who disagrees with you. Troll.

For the last time, I'm NOT a troll. I believe every word I say.

You are a troll. What you do, what you say in every single thread I've seen you is nothing more than trolling. No backing, no evidence, not a single scrap of sense.

And once again, you're not an American, you don't live in the US, whatever you believe is of no consequence. To the larger picture, you and whatever every foreigner thinks, is of no matter to the US. So quit your yapping, troll. No one wants to hear your nonesense.

So we now have President (elect) Obama. It really is an historic moment, no matter if you supported him or Sen. McCain. So, here and now, at this moment, how are you feeling? What's the thoughts running through your mind?
I'm relieved, glad, happy, and hopeful. Let's see how long those feelings are going to last.

But to be honest, at the moment I first saw Obama and heard his first speech, I knew the guy had potential and I'd be pleased if he were elected into office.
Now that this has happened, I wish him and all of us best of luck.

How does that makes sense? Are you the most powerful man in the world? Do you have a specific grudge against any of those places?

Technically he isn't the most powerful (there are several that would make ties for that position, with someone like Putin being slightly above the rest), and there is no evidence provided for this mythical hatred of white people (not to mention the mistreatments in Aus were on people who came from africa ~45,000 years ago).

Anyway, I could invade another country if I wanted to (though it would be more "Yay, tourism" invasion), so I should also have some kind of not-ethnic-but-skin-colour-supremacism, right?

To quote LG: 'You're funny :p'

For the last time, I'm NOT a troll. I believe every word I say.

now now people, to be fair he could just be an idiot rather than a troll

now now people, to be fair he could just be an idiot rather than a troll

Any of those is bad, anyway. What do you think?

Vindicated. And gleeful at the prospect of the "you're Un-American because you're against the current government" shoe being on the other foot.

Any of those is bad, anyway. What do you think?

I'm honestly not sure. He really does seem to mean what he (she?) says and I've seen similar comments made on fox news forums so . . . .

Hm, how do I feel? I feel irritated, I'm out of coffee so I had to bum a cup of very weak flavored coffee from my boss.

Not to mention it's going to be difficult to get my class to shut up about the election so I can lecture on the French & Indian War.

I'm honestly not sure. He really does seem to mean what he (she?) says and I've seen similar comments made on fox news forums so . . . .

He/she has made some of the stupidest remarks I've seen in a forum in a long time.

All presidents had no presidential experience before.

The 24th President would disagree with you.

I'm gonna drop out of this convo, 'cos I keep feeding the troll, even though I don't want to. So yeah, laters.

*Vanishes in a puff of smoke*

I feel relieved that Obama is elected. It's good for the black Americans, the white Americans, the other Americans and the entire world.

Or do you want another Bush Light version 3.0? More wars, more ridiculous attacks on the people their privacy (patriot act), more playing boogey man (we are in level red now), more business disasters, more Katherina disasters, more 9/11 Fahrenheit movies?

No, it's good like it is. Besides, the people have voted, rien ne va plus.

And you're not an American nor live there so, whatever you believe, is completely inconsequential.

Nanatsu I don't think this statement is entirely fair. In regards to America the president and his policies will have an impact on many countries both positive and negative. To say a non American and their opinion is meaningless IMO is a bit wrong because the next President will more than likely have an effect on their country.

Maybe Tasmania sold some bad hash?

Nah Tassie sells Opium.

Again, when Obama wants revenge against whites, he'll attack Australia. We're easy beats.

Nah u have it all wrong he will go to the UK first after all they started the slave trade.

/feeding time.

Nah u have it all wrong he will go to the UK first after all they started the slave trade.

/feeding time.

Actually, the Arabs and stronger African Tribes started the slave trade... The Europeans just bought them and shipped them all over creation... Later on, the Europeans took center stage with it, but they did not start it.

Actually, the Arabs and stronger African Tribes started the slave trade... The Europeans just bought them and shipped them all over creation... Later on, the Europeans took center stage with it, but they did not start it.

Fair enough.

I feel relieved, and I'm ready to see where the country goes next and do my part to help it get there.

Nah Tassie sells Opium.

*Slaps face* Oh that's right, Tas has opiate industry, hence all the codeine exports... Maybe we sold some bad morphine?

It's amazing, when I entered this planet, there was still an apartheid system in USA and now a black one is president.

Over here in Europe, we should be very silent. We accused the Americans from being racists, but currently they overtook the Europeans on the left. In my European country, it will not happen that soon, that a black one or one from Arabian origin may take the first power seat.

Respect.

No surprise. He's been The Anointed One for the media and Wall Street for months now.

My predictions:

He isn't going to end the Iraq War, repeal the PATRIOT act, end rendition, close the prisons at Gitmo, protect property owners from eminent domain seizures, protect the borders, or fix the economy with more than another band-aid on the grenade wound. The actions of criminals will lead to more red tape for the law-abiding citizens, social problems will be fixed by throwing more money into government bureaucracy, and like Bush he will treat the Constitution as a guideline instead of a rulebook.

Welcome to Bush 3.

*edit* can they possibly have counted all of the paper ballots already, or have the Diebold machines decided the election for us? Not that I like McCain, mind, but I honestly doubt the validity of every election since at least 2000

Nanatsu I don't think this statement is entirely fair. In regards to America the president and his policies will have an impact on many countries both positive and negative. To say a non American and their opinion is meaningless IMO is a bit wrong because the next President will more than likely have an effect on their country.

Blouman, my post was aimed at Ferrous Oxide's inane remarks. And indeed, we as foreigners may give opinions, but ultimately, what we believe has no weight in the larger picture. Why? We're not living in the US, what happens there does not, immediately, affect our day to day. It affects the Americans's day to day, but not ours.

http://blog.synthesis.net/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/feelsgood.jpg

Blouman, my post was aimed at Ferrous Oxide's inane remarks. And indeed, we as foreigners may give opinions, but ultimately, what we believe has no weight in the larger picture. Why? We're not living in the US, what happens there does not, immediately, affect our day to day. It affects the Americans's day to day, but not ours.

That's not true. If it is raining in USA, it's dripping in Europe.

And supose our voices were silent, those Americans would still believe, by their media, that Bush was a damn good president.

That's not true. If it is raining in USA, it's dripping in Europe.

That remark is not true, HK.

And supose our voices were silent, those Americans would still believe, by their media, that Bush was a damn good president.

I highly doubt Americans thought, at any point, that the Dubya was a damn good president, as you put it.

Blouman, my post was aimed at Ferrous Oxide's inane remarks. And indeed, we as foreigners may give opinions, but ultimately, what we believe has no weight in the larger picture. Why? We're not living in the US, what happens there does not, immediately, affect our day to day. It affects the Americans's day to day, but not ours.

Fair enough, though I dare say if Obama does get some of his economic policies through people elsewhere will see an effect on their day to day lives. But yes Obama will have more of an effect on those living in the US more than foreigners.

That remark is not true, HK.



The credit crunch would disagree with you there.

Fair enough, though I dare say if Obama does get some of his economic policies through people elsewhere will see an effect on their day to day lives. But yes Obama will have more of an effect on those living in the US more than foreigners.

Don't worry, I am aware of that mate. What triggered my response was FO's insistence that Obama has a racist agenda against whites. Just because if he/she (FO) had power, he would do something bad to a certain ethnicity. And I'm not making this up, if you read his/her posts, he/she states it plainly.

That's not true. If it is raining in USA, it's dripping in Europe.

And supose our voices were silent, those Americans would still believe, by their media, that Bush was a damn good president.
No, we wouldn't. First, at least half of us have always thought he was a disaster in every possible way, from the first day of his first term. Second, at least half of the other half came around to thinking the same seeing how our country came apart at the seams over his second term.

How do I feel about this election? Last night, in the Election Day thread, I said I felt as if my country had just taken a big step back from the edge of a cliff that we had been just about to step off of.

Before last night, I had been pessimistic about what Americans would do. I did not believe that the majority of Americans would vote for a black man -- I really didn't. I didn't think Americans would vote across party lines and against the pull of ideology.

I was wrong, and I have never been more happy to be wrong about anything in my life. I am more happy than I can say that I seriously underestimated my fellow Americans. They showed themselves to be a lot more mature and aware than I had thought they were. I feel a lot less alone than I did before. I feel more hopeful now about how we're going to approach the problems we have to deal with. A lot more hopeful.

That remark is not true, HK.


Well many hypes, technologies, ideas and stuff do really start in USA. Sooner or later they come to Europe. And not only the good stuff. The current international bank crisis started in USA. So what is happening there is really influencing our daily life. I know a couple, serious people, no adventure types, that gave their money to a local bank. It's all gone, because the local bank invested the money in the American trash loans.


I highly doubt Americans thought, at any point, that the Dubya was a damn good president, as you put it.

It was a joke. Maybe a silly joke, but still a joke.