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Because New Orleans has such great schools....

No, that one makes me pissed too. I was totally swearing. It's not even veiled anymore. And look at McCain's face. This guy is going to run our government? He can't even pretend to respect his running mate, how is he going to negotiate with other government leaders?

He couldn't.

Allowing McCain to be our President would be a total disaster...it's just plain obvious. Even worse if he gets himself killed or dies from poor health and Palin takes over...Urgh...

Vouchers. Vouchers. That's McCain's education plan? Really?

haha, charter schools - obama already got there earlier tonight, fucker

He started off weak, but mid to end Obama fucked this shit up. And McCain lost it.

funny, the last two debates Obama started strong but faded out. I think McCain over prepped for the economy, and didn't think about other issues enough.

Typical Republican line..."Competition 'ill fix it!"

Everybody! We all must spam Fox News vote and claim Obama won it!

NO!

Not only is that unethical, it'd throw everything off. We need authentic figures here.

Mr. Obama talks well for an uppity, I mean for a senator. He's a fucking senator! He should be eloquent, asshole!

Honestly, I hate stretching people's comments, but he's been playing to racists for three weeks.

Here's the thing, though. Obama is eloquent. Not 'for a black man,' but for anyone-even for a senator. We can't get so afraid of our shadows that we can't give a compliment when it's honest.

Not that I'm saying that's what McCain's doing, but still...

McCain shouldn't be put in office just based on his education proposals.

No, that one makes me pissed too. I was totally swearing. It's not even veiled anymore. And look at McCain's face. This guy is going to run our government? He can't even pretend to respect his running mate, how is he going to negotiate with other government leaders?

This would be more fun if both candidates were intelligent.

He wants to improve education by not certifying teachers? ???

funny, the last two debates Obama started strong but faded out. I think McCain over prepped for the economy, and didn't think about other issues enough.

Its strange. McCain killed him on the economy, but on everything else he got anally intruded.

Wait, what? Veterans should just go become teachers without, uh, like, teaching certifications? o_O

McCain. Charter schools work. Yes. Vouchers don't work, which is what you hint at.

Throwing money at the problem isn't the only answer, but it is part.

McCain, I've heard better.

SO SPEND THE MONEY DIFFERENTLY!

For fuck's sake, is it that hard to understand? IF IT'S NOT WORKING, FIX IT!

HAHAHAHA.... Not have to take the exams? Go teach science after serving in the military because you will be *SO* prepared. I'm sorry, but there's no incentive to be a teacher and a hell of a lot better pay (for a decent percentage) in the private sector.

Vouchers. Vouchers. That's McCain's education plan? Really?
thats the only plan the republicans ever have.

we have more than a tradition...it's constitutionally mandated.

NO!

Not only is that unethical, it'd throw everything off. We need authentic figures here.

It's Fox News! Who trusts them anyways?

WHAT!?!?!?!

Military straight to teaching with no certification. Mr. McCain, you have NO respect for teachers.

ARGH!!!

HAHAHAHA.... Not have to take the exams? Go teach science after serving in the military because you will be *SO* prepared. I'm sorry, but there's no incentive to be a teacher and a hell of a lot better pay (for a decent percentage) in the private sector.

If we test people before they teach things like science, it would weed out the creationists. And McCain doesnt want that.

Holy crap. I'm reading some of the Fox News comments. I'm almost drowning in ignorance.

They're calling Obama the 'anti-christ'.

Step 1. Create an environment and situation where kids WANT to go to school. As in... non academic programs (band, chorus, afterschool, sports, etc). If they enjoy school in some respect, they will go. Nothing to enjoy, why bother with the hardcore stuff?

Holy crap. I'm reading some of the Fox News comments. I'm almost drowning in ignorance.

They're calling Obama the 'anti-christ'.

Youre on Fox News.

Okay, now I want to strangle that two-faced fucker.

"Health of the mother" is just "pro-abortion" propaganda. He can go to hell.

Wait what. He actually said that?

tied up at 62 discounting the final analyst who is headed Obama + 16

Wait, what? Veterans should just go become teachers without, uh, like, teaching certifications? o_O

Wow, I thought McCain started so strong. Now I'm shouting at the TV like a lunatic and I'm watching with a bunch of my coworkers.

I think I just lost all respect. I'm foaming.

No fucking certifications. That's crazy!

Holy crap. I'm reading some of the Fox News comments. I'm almost drowning in ignorance.

They're calling Obama the 'anti-christ'.
oh darlin' dont swim in the sewer youlll just get sick

He wants to improve education by not certifying teachers? ???

...and by helping Teach for America, which encourages kids fresh out of college to teach for a year or two before going on to "real" jobs, thereby helping schools have a constant stream of teachers who stay just long enough to figure out how to teach competently and then leave. Whee.

Wait what. He actually said that?

Yes. I threw a beer bottle. Not even kidding.


McCain is just being offensive now.

It's Fox News! Who trusts them anyways?

Not the point. We need to understand how the conservative viewers of Fox News viewed this, and we need authentic numbers to do that.

Wow, I thought McCain started so strong. Now I'm shouting at the TV like a lunatic and I'm watching with a bunch of my coworkers.

I think I just lost all respect. I'm foaming.

No fucking certifications. That's crazy!

I seriously think he shot all chance he has with independents to hell.

That's it. McCain, go fuck yourself. Just go fucking fuck yourself in your fucking stupid shithead.

GOD!

Doesnt Palin's kid have down syndrom, not autism?

Wait what. He actually said that?
Yes he did.

He wants to improve education by not certifying teachers? ???

Well, being a soldier automatically qualifies you to teach High School. Didn't you see "The Substitute"?

Having a kid with Down Syndrome does not make her an expert on fucking Autism, you moron!

audience is just not aligning with him, just kinda laying there

Not the point. We need to understand how the conservative viewers of Fox News viewed this, and we need authentic numbers to do that.

But they're... so.... STUPID! It will only legitimize our beliefs if we take the fight to the enemy!

"All Americans will open their wallets":

Not the people with the amount of money needed to make a difference. Not them. If they don't do it, it's not going to work.

wow... snarky there McCain

WHat a stupid, stupid comment by mccain, he basically confirmed that Obama was right about mccain's voucher plan.

This debate made me militant anti-McCain. Im seriously screaming at my TV. I cant believe this.


God if he wins I....nevermind. Fuck this. Im better than his ticket.

My coworker keeps pointing out that he's completely mixing up autism and Down's syndrome. He has an autistic child in his family and it's pissing him off.

He said that word for word earlier...

I just noticed, Obama is wearing a red tie, and McCain is wearing a blue tie...

How much Botox do you think McCain uses?

Yes he did.

Christ someone needs to get a transcript, stat. This cannot go unremarked.

Doesnt Palin's kid have down syndrom, not autism?

same thing

Trust!!! After all his lies, offensive comments, and attacks??? Yeah, I'll vote for the one I trust, Johnny. THAT ONE!

How much Botox do you think McCain uses?

Hopefully enough to kill him.

same thing

I hope youre joking.

There haven't been a long ling of Obamas though. You know why, McCain? Because of the type of people you're pandering, too. Some people don't get to come from a long line of powerful people.

I never invited Obama into my home.....

How much Botox do you think McCain uses?

Wait....you mean he ISN'T a Wallace and Gromit character???

I just noticed, Obama is wearing a red tie, and McCain is wearing a blue tie...
They always do that when two male politicians are sharing a podium. It's the pol version of pink or blue diaper covers.

I hope youre joking.

joking and autism are also the same thing

My coworker keeps pointing out that he's completely mixing up autism and Down's syndrome. He has an autistic child in his family and it's pissing him off.

Given that I was diagnosed with a form of autism at age 3, he's not doing a lot to make friends with me, here, either...

There haven't been a long ling of Obamas though. You know why, McCain? Because of the type of people you're pandering, too. Some people don't get to come from a long line of powerful people.

"There hasnt been a long line of Obamas...well, out side an auction house anyway..."

God fuck you McCain.

Crap, Mccains final remarks went over much better with the undecided voters.

Final Score Neo?

Crap, Mccains final remarks went over much better with the undecided voters.

No it didnt...

McCain actually really thinks he won this one.

LOL. ABC describes Joe the Plumber is REAL.

Seriously, I didn't think McCain could piss me off more, but I underestimated him. That shit about abortion and then education -- let him choke on his lying tongue.

McCain actually really thinks he won this one.

Im sure he thought he won the last one too.


Obama one it, but bearly and only at the end. Neither of them seemed to want it this time.

Hopefully enough to kill him.

Wait....you mean he ISN'T a Wallace and Gromit character???

His skin looks like it's about to burst.

Well, It wasn't the knockout I had hoped, we'll see how it goes.

Wait....you mean he ISN'T a Wallace and Gromit character???

Hell no. Wallace and Gromit characters are far more likable.

Anyone kind enough to give a summary of the debate for us who missed it?

No it didnt...

Yeah, it did. Obama's closing speech was weaker than McCains. Not in term of content, but in terms of who got the emotional edge.

Seriously, I didn't think McCain could piss me off more, but I underestimated him. That shit about abortion and then education -- let him choke on his lying tongue.

Im livid. God I need a cigarette. As soon as Neo posts the final score I think Im going to buy a pack.

In other news, the Phils are up on the Bums, 5-1 in the top of the 7th.

>.>

Anyone kind enough to give a summary of the debate for us who missed it?

Lot of crap talked on both sides. Lot of lies. Obama finally put the truth out on ayres. Oh, and some disgusting and shameful comments from McCain.

CNN is going to show Joe the Plumber.

Im sure he thought he won the last one too.

Obama one it, but bearly and only at the end. Neither of them seemed to want it this time.

Too risky for Obama to really push. He wasn't too slow later on, but he had to be careful.

McCain promoted school vouchers and denounced concern for a mother's health as nothing but a tactic of the "radical pro-abortion" side.

Obama didn't do those things.

Need more, Chumbly?

No it didnt...

Totally did. I was watching those lines like a hawk.

Everyone on CNN is saying what we have been saying. McCain started strong, Obama finished strong.

quick, somebody get the instant poll before these idiots figure out what they think the american people thought

Anyone kind enough to give a summary of the debate for us who missed it?

McCain: "Lies, lies, lies, lies, fuck women, Obama's a ******, I'm an elitist and an aristocrat, vote me"

Obama: "Stutter a bit, correct McCain's lies, politely but firmly counter insults, good policy decisions."

Having just come home from a 10-hour day in the classroom, I find it pretty damn insulting that McCain thinks schools just aren't apparently motivated enough to "compete". Yes, that's why our students are failing. Not because they're living in an unstable home with drugs and violence, or because they don't always have enough to eat, or because both parents work full time + to pay the bills and no one has time to read with them, or because our resource and special needs departments are so tapped out that kids with legitimate needs can't get help... it's because we as educators aren't "competing". 10 hours a day for a kindergarten class really isn't earning my wages.

Anyone kind enough to give a summary of the debate for us who missed it?

McCain made a big deal about Ayers, and Obama took it on. McCain said women make up health condisitions to get abortions...

Everything else kind of pales...

Im livid. God I need a cigarette. As soon as Neo posts the final score I think Im going to buy a pack.

it's tied ignoring Martin. Keep in mind this includes the republicans, but not the obvious Democrat biased analyst.

Having just come home from a 10-hour day in the classroom, I find it pretty damn insulting that McCain thinks schools just aren't apparently motivated enough to "compete". Yes, that's why our students are failing. Not because they're living in an unstable home with drugs and violence, or because they don't always have enough to eat, or because both parents work full time + to pay the bills and no one has time to read with them, or because our resource and special needs departments are so tapped out that kids with legitimate needs can't get help... it's because we as educators aren't "competing". 10 hours a day for a kindergarten class really isn't earning my wages.

Apperantly your job is really easy too. Thats why we dont need to certify teachers.

oh i forgot to pay attention. did mccain use the words "middle class" in this debate?

it's tied ignoring Martin. Keep in mind this includes the republicans, but not the obvious Democrat biased analyst.

You sure about that bias? Last time you thought that, it was the Republican campaign manager, wasn't it?

Having just come home from a 10-hour day in the classroom, I find it pretty damn insulting that McCain thinks schools just aren't apparently motivated enough to "compete". Yes, that's why our students are failing. Not because they're living in an unstable home with drugs and violence, or because they don't always have enough to eat, or because both parents work full time + to pay the bills and no one has time to read with them, or because our resource and special needs departments are so tapped out that kids with legitimate needs can't get help... it's because we as educators aren't "competing". 10 hours a day for a kindergarten class really isn't earning my wages.
I hope some teachers and education pros hit him back on that shit.

Anyone kind enough to give a summary of the debate for us who missed it?

Moderator asked great questions; Obama was sorta flat and let way too many lies stand (IMO) but had some good stretches, too; McCain was a despiccable asshole.

You sure about that bias? Last time you thought that, it was the Republican campaign manager, wasn't it?

Nah, this time I actually know who Martin is :p

Carl Bernstein says Joe the Plumber is Joe 6-pack's cousin.

it's tied ignoring Martin. Keep in mind this includes the republicans, but not the obvious Democrat biased analyst.

Well, considering that McCain needed a knock out, a tie isnt going to help him. Its over in my opinion.

oh i forgot to pay attention. did mccain use the words "middle class" in this debate?
Not 100% sure, but I do not think he did.

Fuck, Im out for a bit, I need a cigarette.

Not 100% sure, but I do not think he did.
he did force himself to use obamas name. thats new at least.

Having just come home from a 10-hour day in the classroom, I find it pretty damn insulting that McCain thinks schools just aren't apparently motivated enough to "compete". Yes, that's why our students are failing. Not because they're living in an unstable home with drugs and violence, or because they don't always have enough to eat, or because both parents work full time + to pay the bills and no one has time to read with them, or because our resource and special needs departments are so tapped out that kids with legitimate needs can't get help... it's because we as educators aren't "competing". 10 hours a day for a kindergarten class really isn't earning my wages.

Well, clearly your job can be done by any veteran-your problem is not enough of your certification was spent shooting things...

WHAT!?!?!?!

Military straight to teaching with no certification. Mr. McCain, you have NO respect for teachers.

ARGH!!!

So when he says stuff about holding schools and teachers "more accountable", their education isn't part of that, apparently.

Oh, and I found it interesting that every time Obama brought up "McCain is 4 more years of George W. Bush" the lines were so totally not buying it.

They liked it when Obama said he was going to bring change but they hated him saying "McCain is just going to be like Bush".

nate on 538: "Congratulations, President Obama."

So what happens to Joe the plumber when Pete's Plumbing runs him out of business? Does he have a better chance of getting a job at a nuke plant or making turbine & solar components?

And I know that nuke plants need a lot of high priced techs and tons of security, but how does 45 new nuke plants create millions of jobs?

btw, windmill farms (that produce the same thing as nuke plants) only need someone that went to a trade school and owns a cellphone & shotgun.

Well, considering that McCain needed a knock out, a tie isnt going to help him. Its over in my opinion.

not necessarily. Obama is winning because people trust him more than McCain on key issues. If they both look stupid...

Oh, and I found it interesting that every time Obama brought up "McCain is 4 more years of George W. Bush" the lines were so totally not buying it.

They liked it when Obama said he was going to bring change but they hated him saying "McCain is just going to be like Bush".
I think, so close to the election, voters want to hear policies, not get reminders of what they're getting rid of.

I hope some teachers and education pros hit him back on that shit.
After Palin saying that a teacher's reward is in heaven, that should just about do it for the teacher vote.

not necessarily. Obama is winning because people trust him more than McCain on key issues. If they both look stupid...
I don't think Obama came off as stupid. I don't think his win is a lock either, but that's because I have no faith in Americans and I think a lot of them really are that racist. But that doesn't mean McCain looks better than Obama. Just whiter.

My father had a different impression about how Obama handled the debate. He says he started out "laid back" and then rose up as needed, which, when you think about it, makes a lot of sense as an approach, because it keeps you from flying off the handle and going too strong, AND it lets you get the lay of what's going on. It might SEEM weak at first, but it's actually not.

Oh, and I SO hope that Obama quoting McCain's adviser on how they'll make college more affordable for kids with "eh, we can't cater to every interest group out there" sticks in people's minds as much as it did in mine. Considering I neither have kids nor am American to begin with it really should.

My father had a different impression about how Obama handled the debate. He says he started out "laid back" and then rose up as needed, which, when you think about it, makes a lot of sense as an approach, because it keeps you from flying off the handle and going too strong, AND it lets you get the lay of what's going on. It might SEEM weak at first, but it's actually not.

Problem is, I dont think anyone else saw it that way.

My father had a different impression about how Obama handled the debate. He says he started out "laid back" and then rose up as needed, which, when you think about it, makes a lot of sense as an approach, because it keeps you from flying off the handle and going too strong, AND it lets you get the lay of what's going on. It might SEEM weak at first, but it's actually not.
This debate was not as obvious as the others in terms of image. I think it might take longer for the scoring/aftermath to take shape.

10 people out of 30 undecided voters thought McCain won.
15 out of those 30 thought Obama won.

So that's a good sign.

So of the CNN "panel", 10 say McCain won, 15 say Obama won.

My father had a different impression about how Obama handled the debate. He says he started out "laid back" and then rose up as needed, which, when you think about it, makes a lot of sense as an approach, because it keeps you from flying off the handle and going too strong, AND it lets you get the lay of what's going on. It might SEEM weak at first, but it's actually not.

i suspect that we here like our politics a bit more violent than most

10 people out of 30 undecided voters thought McCain won.
15 out of those 30 thought Obama won.

So that's a good sign.

Beat me to it.

I'm out. I need to stare at Project Runway for a while and bitch and yell with my mom on the phone to decompress from goddamned McCain.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EASpPlcVbdI
deer in the headlights "zero fine" moment
fucking awesome

out of the 30, 3 said that this debate made up their mind. All 3 decided to vote for Obama.

Problem is, I dont think anyone else saw it that way.
Not immediately, maybe, but in time they might.

And the thing is, it's a good strategy for anything of this nature, as well as especially good for diplomacy. If he keeps to this sort of calm, cool, unflappableness in diplomatic efforts, I daresay Obama will be one of our most effective Presidents.
This debate was not as obvious as the others in terms of image. I think it might take longer for the scoring/aftermath to take shape.

Indeed.

Apperantly your job is really easy too. Thats why we dont need to certify teachers.

I admit, it was an incredibly relaxing 10 hours today, spent in the spa-like enclosure of my empty room because new teachers get a whole $200 for classroom supplies, which buys about 2/3 of an easel.

I hope some teachers and education pros hit him back on that shit.

School's going to be livid tomorrow. The teachers will be spitting fire.

Carl Bernstein says Joe the Plumber is Joe 6-pack's cousin.

Okay, seriously, I DON'T UNDERSTAND Joe Sixpack. What does that mean? Does that mean the average American kills a sixpack a night or something? Because that's very unhealthy. Also, plumbers make good money. Better money than teachers.

After Palin saying that a teacher's reward is in heaven, that should just about do it for the teacher vote.

Are. You. Kidding. Me. Go fuck a bible, Sarah.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EASpPlcVbdI
deer in the headlights "zero fine" moment
fucking awesome

Best part of the debate IMO.

Are. You. Kidding. Me. Go fuck a bible, Sarah.

That would be premarital sex.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EASpPlcVbdI
deer in the headlights "zero fine" moment
fucking awesome

That was awesome. I must've missed that when I was breaking real quick to get my dinner.

It also explains that fine thing I've been wondering about. Now it makes sense: it's a fine targeted at large businesses that have no problem providing the health care but refuse to do so. I like it. :)

flash poll results are incoming from CNN, hang on.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EASpPlcVbdI
deer in the headlights "zero fine" moment
fucking awesome

Disbelief. Well prepared, John. Good job.

Okay, seriously, I DON'T UNDERSTAND Joe Sixpack. What does that mean? Does that mean the average American kills a sixpack a night or something? Because that's very unhealthy. Also, plumbers make good money. Better money than teachers.



It's both a reference to beer, and a reference to abdominal muscles.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sixpack

out of the 30, 3 said that this debate made up their mind. All 3 decided to vote for Obama.

I'm going to go around saying "90% of the people said that they did NOT decide to vote for Obama, based on this debate."

flash poll results are incoming from CNN, hang on.

I'm just wondering: Does CNN do a freaky stupid graphics thing for everything? Do they have "cool" CGI graphics showing the poll results flying in like people on a plane or something?

As I think about it, out of 30 people, 10 said McCain won, 15 said Obama won, 5 didn't answer. Now, this is ONLY 30 people and is in NO way something we should consider a representative sample, BUT if you look at those numbers, it's basically roughly:

Obama won: 50%
McCain won: 35%
no winner: 15%

Which is pretty much in line with the LAST two elections

Are. You. Kidding. Me. Go fuck a bible, Sarah.

That's not even the best bit. She said that to Joe Biden - she said his wife would get her reward in heaven. This to the guy who lost his wife and (baby) daughter in the same auto-accident that almost killed his two boys.

Sarah Palin is a new kind of special.

Okay, seriously, I DON'T UNDERSTAND Joe Sixpack. What does that mean? Does that mean the average American kills a sixpack a night or something? Because that's very unhealthy. Also, plumbers make good money. Better money than teachers.


It's just a slang for the average blue-collar worker. They don't necessarily kill a sixpack a night(many do), but the image it's supposed to generate is like Hank Hill of "King of The Hill".

As I think about it, out of 30 people, 10 said McCain won, 15 said Obama won, 5 didn't answer. Now, this is ONLY 30 people and is in NO way something we should consider a representative sample, BUT if you look at those numbers, it's basically roughly:

Obama won: 50%
McCain won: 35%
no winner: 15%

Which is pretty much in line with the LAST two elections
You mean the last two debates?

You mean the last two debates?

....shut up.

That's not even the best bit. She said that to Joe Biden - she said his wife would get her reward in heaven. This to the guy who lost his wife and (baby) daughter in the same auto-accident that almost killed his two boys.

Sarah Palin is a new kind of special.

I'm just waiting for someone who loses his wife because she couldn't get an abortion to save her life when she needed it thanks to the "partial-birth abortion" ban to go into politics and then have the line McCain spouted said to him.

Whoever says the line will be lucky not to be knocked out in one hit.

I'm honestly amazed Biden kept from shouting his head off at her for that.

http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m267/jeffseemann/plumber.jpg

Are. You. Kidding. Me. Go fuck a bible, Sarah.

Bible dildos.

Congratulations, you're going to be rich with your new invention!

I'm just waiting for someone who loses his wife because she couldn't get an abortion to save her life when she needed it thanks to the "partial-birth abortion" ban to go into politics and then have the line McCain spouted said to him.

Whoever says the line will be lucky not to be knocked out in one hit.

I'm honestly amazed Biden kept from shouting his head off at her for that.

Whether or not you like Biden, whether or not he manages to avoid slip-ups... he is a seasoned professional. Which made one of them, there.

....shut up.

Hee...http://generalitemafia.ipbfree.com/uploads/ipbfree.com/generalitemafia/emo-Hug_emoticon.gif

http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m267/jeffseemann/plumber.jpg

I'm going to put that in my sig.

Whether or not you like Biden, whether or not he manages to avoid slip-ups... he is a seasoned professional. Which made one of them, there.

Indeed. It's why he's been in politics for thirty-five years, after all.

http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m267/jeffseemann/plumber.jpg

The beauty of technology is that ripping the piss out of candidates no longer has to wait till the Morning Edition. :)

Bible dildos.

Congratulations, you're going to be rich with your new invention!

Check divine-interventions.com

Flash poll results from CNN of people who won:

41% democrat, 30% republican, 29% independent was the audience, so keep in mind:

58% said Obama won, 31% said McCain won.

Obama went from 63% to 66% favorable, while his unfavorable numbers went down slightly.

For McCain, his favorably rating was 51%, went to 49% unfavorable 45% to 49%.

Again, CNN flash poll, 58% to 31% Obama.

Bible dildos.

Congratulations, you're going to be rich with your new invention!

propagandhi kinda got there first only it was one side dink, the other side jesus

I'm still waiting for Canuck's opinion. Come on CH, we know you're watching. :)

http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m267/jeffseemann/plumber.jpg
How often do you think "plumber" was google image searched tonight?

Now if we adjust for the democrat/left leaning bias, we can probably factor a 5% push up/push down which gets us about 54% to 36% obama, after bias is factored in.

That's a pretty solid win.

whoa the cnn flash polling showed that they liked mccain less after the debate than before it

whoa the cnn flash polling showed that they liked mccain less after the debate than before it

That might not affect how they vote, though. It's the spin that comes after... they'll remember it how they are told to remember it. Which means they'll forget why they thought he was such an asshole on the night.

Check divine-interventions.com

I'm not sure why I would have thought that something like that wouldn't exist...

So... Bob Shieffer vs. Joe The Plumber in Thunderdome: Who leaves?

whoa the cnn flash polling showed that they liked mccain less after the debate than before it

at this point we are just hitting those with the reservations about the black guy that are still overcomeable
nobody likes mccain

CBS got now-famous plumber Joe Wurzelbacher on the phone. Joe was playing coy, but it's pretty obvious he's supporting McCain -- not just on taxes, but he was parroting the "What do we really know about Barack Obama?" line of McCain's campaign.

I'd really like to know what people think they don't know about Obama.

That might not affect how they vote, though. It's the spin that comes after... they'll remember it how they are told to remember it. Which means they'll forget why they thought he was such an asshole on the night.
true but mccain was trying his best to be charming. it didnt work.

Now if we adjust for the democrat/left leaning bias, we can probably factor a 5% push up/push down which gets us about 54% to 36% obama, after bias is factored in.

That's a pretty solid win.

Mere mathematics is hardly as convincing as the Spirit of Las Vegas, who appeared before me, garbed in the gold of many nations, Lady Luck herself, and she spaketh unto me, and revealed that McCain will win.

Now, she was snickering, and kept covering her mouth, but I think that's just from the half empty bottle of Grey Goose she was clutching with one hand, trying to keep her robe up over the big un's with the other...

CBS got now-famous plumber Joe Wurzelbacher on the phone. Joe was playing coy, but it's pretty obvious he's supporting McCain -- not just on taxes, but he was parroting the "What do we really know about Barack Obama?" line of McCain's campaign.

I'd really like to know what people think they don't know about Obama.

I know something I don't know about Obama: his sexual habits with his wife.

And I reaaaally don't WANT to know that.

true but mccain was trying his best to be charming. it didnt work.

Too true. I wouldn't sleep with him.

But, every time Obama gave the camera that long, focused stare... *sighs*

I know something I don't know about Obama: his sexual habits with his wife.

And I reaaaally don't WANT to know that.

Oh you know you do. You secretly hope they have Bondage sex. *nods*

My local news program's report on the debate is making me need to punch things.

I cannot express how much flagrantly biased coverage pisses me off, especially when it pretends it's not biased. UGH.

just went to the fox news forum . . .holy ****. . . .

Man, the CNN polls WRECKED McCain. Now again keep in mind the bias, and we should probably be doing a 5% push up/push down as a result.

Oh you know you do. You secretly hope they have Bondage sex. *nods*
Speak for yourself.
My local news program's report on the debate is making me need to punch things.

I cannot express how much flagrantly biased coverage pisses me off, especially when it pretends it's not biased. UGH.
Yeah, tell me about it...I hate smarmy fucking "We're not biased! Really!" when they're super biased. You can say it as many times as you want, but I'm not buying it.
just went to the fox news forum . . .holy ****. . . .
Link us please.
Man, the CNN polls WRECKED McCain. Now again keep in mind the bias, and we should probably be doing a 5% push up/push down as a result.

What about ABC? CBS? MSNBC? Fox News? Erm...NPR? BBC?

I know something I don't know about Obama: his sexual habits with his wife.

And I reaaaally don't WANT to know that.

Don't you want to know about John and Cindy McCain's sex life?

It'll kind of look like a shaved groundhog fucking a barbie doll. ;)

Having campaign people comment on who won the debate.

The most pointless exercise in "news" coverage EVER. Sometimes I want to hug our TV here for not subjecting me to shit like that. *hugs*

....ew. *shudder*

Don't you want to know about John and Cindy McCain's sex life?

It'll kind of look like a shaved groundhog fucking a barbie doll. ;)

I shall murder you..... :mad:

This is not a real threat, don't send your wife after me.....please...

Oh you know you do. You secretly hope they have Bondage sex. *nods*

Ear-binding?

Don't you want to know about John and Cindy McCain's sex life?

It'll kind of look like a shaved groundhog fucking a barbie doll. ;)

I think you should write romance novels.

I shall murder you..... :mad:

This is not a real threat, don't send your wife after me.....please...

WOuld you prefer the attack weasels or the ninja clowns?

I think you should write romance novels.

They'd all be about mud wrestling, police officers, and cream pies.

Both kinds. :)

I think you should write romance novels.

Did I miss my true calling?

WOuld you prefer the attack weasels or the ninja clowns?

*sets up his games*

Send in the clowns *places cassette tape in the middle of his trap*

They'd all be about mud wrestling, police officers, and cream pies.

Both kinds. :)

Let's see if we can get Poliwanacraca and Nanatsu no Tsuki to model for the cover art....

*sets up his games*

Send in the clowns *places cassette tape in the middle of his trap*

Ah, mousetraps. Truly, the most worthy traps of all serial killers.

Let's see if we can get Poliwanacraca and Nanatsu no Tsuki to model for the cover art....

I am entirely willing to dress up as a pie-throwing cop. ;)

*sets up his games*

Send in the clowns *places cassette tape in the middle of his trap*

They'll make their move when the time is right:

http://www.boomspeed.com/looonatic/Misc-EvilClowns.jpg

I am entirely willing to dress up as a pie-throwing cop. ;)

Have you seen contemporary cop costumes for women?

There's a couple ladies at Adelitas in TJ who wear them....mmmmmmm

OK here's the important part, here's the actual breakdown of the question who won the debate (in a format of Obama/McCain)

democrats: 88%/5%

republicans: 18%/68%

That says that significantly more republicans (almost 4:1) thought Obama won than democrats thought McCain won

Now here's the big part, among independents, probably the most important voting block: 57% to 31% in favor of Obama

Yeah John, you got him right where you want him.

OK here's the important part, here's the actual breakdown of the question who won the debate (in a format of Obama/McCain)

democrats: 88%/5%

republicans: 18%/68%

That says that significantly more republicans (almost 4:1) thought Obama won than democrats thought McCain won

Now here's the big part, among independents, probably the most important voting block: 57% to 31% in favor of Obama

Yeah John, you got him right where you want him.

This almost makes me wonder if McCain is intentionally sabotaging the GOP, to ensure they can't win, that's he's still the good McCain we used to know.

Almost, I said. Almost.

OK here's the important part, here's the actual breakdown of the question who won the debate (in a format of Obama/McCain)

democrats: 88%/5%

republicans: 18%/68%

That says that significantly more republicans (almost 4:1) thought Obama won than democrats thought McCain won

Now here's the big part, among independents, probably the most important voting block: 57% to 31% in favor of Obama

Yeah John, you got him right where you want him.

What a maverick.

Link us please.

http://foxforum.blogs.foxnews.com/2008/10/15/youdecide_1015/

This almost makes me wonder if McCain is intentionally sabotaging the GOP, to ensure they can't win, that's he's still the good McCain we used to know.

Almost, I said. Almost.

deep cover. he secretly left the party back in 2004 when he was talking about it, only was given a mission - a mission that would threaten his reputation and career. but for love of country, he accepted.

deep cover. he secretly left the party back in 2004 when he was talking about it, only was given a mission - a mission that would threaten his reputation and career. but for love of country, he accepted.

I wish I could believe that. I truly wish I could.

Now here's some interesting, quick math. Let's presume roughly 35% of the country is Republican, 35% democrat, and while each candidate gets some cross over voting, it stays about equal. So each have 35% support

30% are independents. Now, in this debate, independents favored Obama 57% to 31%.

57% of 30% means roughly 17.1% of the population are independents, favoring Obama. 31% of 30% means that roughly 9.3%. of the voting population are independents favoring McCain. 17.1% to 9.3%. About 8% difference.

Right now, if we apply this, we get support McCain about 44% and Obama 52%. An 8% difference. What are the national polls saying? That McCain is about 45% and Obama is 52%, winning by 8%. So the breakdown tonight fell almost exactly in line with the way it's been for the last 15 days.

In other words, McCain didn't get even a bit of a rise.

Anyone kind enough to give a summary of the debate for us who missed it?


lies
lies
abortions
lies
Ta muchly.

*doffs cap*

http://foxforum.blogs.foxnews.com/2008/10/15/youdecide_1015/

Ridiculous...I like how even some people on there are pro-Obama though. They're shouted down, but still...

I think Ive figured this out. I think we all felt like Obama did so poorly because we all expected him to rip McCains spine out and beat him to death with it. We all had such high expectations for him and very low expectations for McCain.

Now here's some interesting, quick math. Let's presume roughly 35% of the country is Republican, 35% democrat, and while each candidate gets some cross over voting, it stays about equal. So each have 35% support

30% are independents. Now, in this debate, independents favored Obama 57% to 31%.

57% of 30% means roughly 17.1% of the population are independents, favoring Obama. 31% of 30% means that roughly 9.3%. of the voting population are independents favoring McCain. 17.1% to 9.3%. About 8% difference.

Right now, if we apply this, we get support McCain about 44% and Obama 52%. An 8% difference. What are the national polls saying? That McCain is about 45% and Obama is 52%, winning by 8%. So the breakdown tonight fell almost exactly in line with the way it's been for the last 15 days.

In other words, McCain didn't get even a bit of a rise.
We don't pay you enough for your sharp analysis of the voting, Art.

Ridiculous...I like how even some people on there are pro-Obama though. They're shouted down, but still...

ya its Kinda insane over there not gonna lie

I think Ive figured this out. I think we all felt like Obama did so poorly because we all expected him to rip McCains spine out and beat him to death with it. We all had such high expectations for him and very low expectations for McCain.

Heh. Sort of a reverse-Palin effect.

I know something I don't know about Obama: his sexual habits with his wife.

And I reaaaally don't WANT to know that.

Well, they've done it at least twice. Think about that.:D

Well, they've done it at least twice. Think about that.:D
http://www.pinecam.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/thud-faint.gif

I think Ive figured this out. I think we all felt like Obama did so poorly because we all expected him to rip McCains spine out and beat him to death with it. We all had such high expectations for him and very low expectations for McCain.

True. Domestic issues are McCain's weak spot and Obama's strong spot. I expected a stomping. But when you compare how much time Obama talked about his own plan vs the time McCain spent criticizing Obama's plan instead of talking about his own, I think that Obama said a lot more than McCain did. Unfortunately, in this debate, McCain has mastered the art of putting his deepest rips against Obama at the beginning of his statements and continuing on into other remarks and ending with another rip. He was doing all he could to keep Obama from responding efficiently to all criticism. If Obama was going to say anything about his own ideas, he had to pick and choose which criticisms to answer. I suspect that somewhere in the Pentagon, Karl Rove is hooked up to a prototype thought projection machine. I hope it hurt.

((Wouldn't it be creepy if we learn that Karl Rove gets hospitalized around the time I'm typing this?))

I think Ive figured this out. I think we all felt like Obama did so poorly because we all expected him to rip McCains spine out and beat him to death with it. We all had such high expectations for him and very low expectations for McCain.

As I said of the expectations for the Biden/Palin debate, it's difficult to not exceed expectations when the standard is "doesn't fall all over the stage like Chevy Chase doing an impersonation of Gerry Ford on Saturday Night Live". That's about all people loked for from McCain.

There shouldn't be a litmus test but no one who doesn't want to overturn Roe v. Wade is qualified?

Did I just hear that right?

That's what I heard when I watched.

I think Ive figured this out. I think we all felt like Obama did so poorly because we all expected him to rip McCains spine out and beat him to death with it. We all had such high expectations for him and very low expectations for McCain.

I've been thinking about this too, and I think it's a few things. This is certainly one of them. I think that while we know Obama is a smart man, we tend to forget McCain is an educated man with decades of experience, and he's no fool. We shouldn't expect him to walk in and pee on himself. He might be a man with whom I disagree with on almost every political issue, a man I think would harm america should he be elected, a man who I might almost describe as dangerous, but he's not a dumb man.

So when we see him behaving like a smart man, he does better than we think he will, and when Obama stumbles and stutters a bit like ALL people do, we maybe get shaken in our faith, and thus our natural inclination is to think Obama did worse than we thought, and McCain better. But to the undecided voter, who sees BOTH of these men as intelligent, educated, and smart, and EXPECTS them to be, the picture looks a bit different.

Secondly, we have a tendency on the left here in the US to get a bit gun shy. We remember 2000, we remember 2004, we remember being so close, then watching our country head in what we believed to be in the wrong direction, and we're terrified of having it happen AGAIN. So every little bump in McCain's polls, every clever quip he comes up with, our response is "that's it! Game over! He's going to rally the base and it'll be Bush all over again!" But to an undecided voter, again, it's about totality.

Third, Obama doesn't "zing" me much anymore, not because he's dull, but because he already won me. He had me at "health care". When he talks of his policies, I'm not "wowed" anymore. I've heard them, considered them, and found them to be the best. So while I still nod my head in agreement, I don't have that feeling of "wow, that's a great idea!" But again, from an undecided, they are still considering, still mulling, still trying to decide where to go, and for them, they might still be influenced by this.

In short, we don't feel Obama did as well as the whole population does because we're not influenced by Obama anymore. He can't sway us. We already agree.

This almost makes me wonder if McCain is intentionally sabotaging the GOP, to ensure they can't win, that's he's still the good McCain we used to know.

Almost, I said. Almost.

No if McCain wanted to throw the race, he would have picked an incompetent running mate.
:p

No if McCain wanted to throw the race, he would have picked an incompetent running mate.
:p

What, you mean like someone who acts like George W. Bush's brain transplanted into a younger woman's body?

True. Domestic issues are McCain's weak spot and Obama's strong spot. I expected a stomping. But when you compare how much time Obama talked about his own plan vs the time McCain spent criticizing Obama's plan instead of talking about his own, I think that Obama said a lot more than McCain did.

He sure did. By criticizing the Obama plan instead of, how the hell could the McCain plan work, he only proves you can't make everybody happy. Old news!

CBS got now-famous plumber Joe Wurzelbacher on the phone. Joe was playing coy, but it's pretty obvious he's supporting McCain -- not just on taxes, but he was parroting the "What do we really know about Barack Obama?" line of McCain's campaign.

I'd really like to know what people think they don't know about Obama.

I'm completely baffled every time they trot out that line. "But what do we REALLY know about him?" Um, everything? We've been focusing on him for like 18 months, he's written two books, he's been in government for years... do we really think he's leading a double life as a night time super villain?

true but mccain was trying his best to be charming. it didnt work.

No, it was very, very frightening.

What, you mean like someone who acts like George W. Bush's brain transplanted into a younger woman's body?

Awwww....yuck! Now who's gonna clean up all this hurl? (I know you didn't say it but I just imagined Bush with a Bush) ... Oh now everybody's hurling... Sorry! Sorry!

Awwww....yuck! Now who's gonna clean up all this hurl? (I know you didn't say it but I just imagined Bush with a Bush) ... Oh now everybody's hurling... Sorry! Sorry!

I'm not convinced that Sarah Palin has a vagina. I suspect there's some other orifice that fulfills a similar function, but I 'd wager you can load it with shotgun shells. That's probably why she wants to charge for rape kits; because she can't get raped. :p

I'm not convinced that Sarah Palin has a vagina. I suspect there's some other orifice that fulfills a similar function, but I 'd wager you can load it with shotgun shells. That's probably why she wants to charge for rape kits; because she can't get raped. :p

Vagina shotguna?

So here's my thoughts. I think we're really starting to see Obama's "50 state" strategy coming home. Right now there are a LOT of open paths for Obama to take to the White House, but McCain doesn't have much anywhere to go.

With so many different options and such a big bankroll, Obama can counter whatever McCain tries to do "wanna head back to red states like North Carolina and Missouri and make sure you lock them us? Go right ahead, I'll be sitting tight here in virginia, making SURE it stays blue, and keeps me above 270. What? So instead you'll focus on the big states in play like Florida, or Ohio? Go ahead, take em. While you're spending your efforts there to try and get them, I'll be over here in Montana and Colorado, shoring up my lead. Oh, so you're going to go after my lead in Virgina? Think you can turn it back to red? Go right ahead and try, I'll just be taking Ohio and Florida off your hands with my massive campaigning budget, you sure you want to trade 47 EVs for 13?"

McCain isn't "behind" anymore. He's not "trailing", he's not "not really doing great in the polls right now" He is losing. And he needs to do something FAST or he will lose. Obama, RIGHT NOW, has enough states in his column to take the presidency. At this very moment, swing states aren't enough anymore, McCain not only needs to get pretty much EVER undecided voter in his column, he needs to start taking support AWAY from Obama.

And that's the thing, it's not about party faithful anymore, the independents are having HUGE play in this election. McCain needs their support, he needs people to not only go to him, but actively switch sides, and wherever he goes, he's going to be outmanned, out gunned and out spent by the ravaging hordes of the Obama campaign, staffed with volunteers fuled by 8 years of spite and rage filled tears. That shit is like red bull with a cocaine chaser to these people.

In 2004 Bush's strategy was shore up support in a few key states. This won't work for McCain now. He can't afford to focus on a few key states. If he tries, Obama can just force him to pump millions into a few key states, make him run his campaign dry, essentially bankrupt the McCain campaign, and all to pick up some states that Obama doesn't even need to win. The fact that Obama can basically just force McCain to spend huge bucks in Ohio and Florida, when Obama doesn't even NEED Ohio and Florida, shows just how masterfully crafted Obama's end game really is here. Let McCain try to focus on a few states, Obama can make it so damned expensive for him to win that it'll basically push him out of other states.

What McCain HAS to do, is take it national. Not win 1 or 2 states by 8 points, but 8 states by 1 or 2 points. He needs to raise his numbers across the board enough, overall, on a national level to just squeak by with wins in enough states. And how the hell is he going to do that? The debates are over, the economic policies unveiled, the convention bump long behind him.

McCain needs to seriously connect, and there just doesn't seem to be any opportunities left to do that.

Vagina shotguna?

Can you picture Palin in a helicopter with her pants around her ankles, firing rounds at freaked out wolves with each thrust of her pelvis?

These are the thoughts that kept me out of the really good schools. :)

I got a new internet meme to introduce:

WWJTPD? (What Would Joe The Plumber Do?)

What McCain HAS to do, is take it national. Not win 1 or 2 states by 8 points, but 8 states by 1 or 2 points. He needs to raise his numbers across the board enough, overall, on a national level to just squeak by with wins in enough states. And how the hell is he going to do that? The debates are over, the economic policies unveiled, the convention bump long behind him.

McCain needs to seriously connect, and there just doesn't seem to be any opportunities left to do that.

In 2004, Bush pushed the ban on Gay Marriage through congress right before the election, that got out the right wing evangelical vote. Do you think the same could work for McCain?

Speak for yourself.

Yeah, tell me about it...I hate smarmy fucking "We're not biased! Really!" when they're super biased. You can say it as many times as you want, but I'm not buying it.

Link us please.


What about ABC? CBS? MSNBC? Fox News? Erm...NPR? BBC?
MSNBC just spent some time (Chris Matthews, Howard Fein, another news guy) slamming the snot out of McCain for that crack about women's health being just a ploy of pro-abortion radicals. Matthews kept going on about McCain pantomiming quotes around "women's health" and how outrageous that was and would he signal quotes if he was talking about a men's health issue, etc. Howard Fein said it just sounded "cruel." They also knocked McCain and praised Obama for the Ayers segment, and expressed a lack of being impressed by poor old Joe (Matthews predicted he will appear on SNL). They quoted polls as giving the debate to Obama by a good margin.

So here's my thoughts. I think we're really starting to see Obama's "50 state" strategy coming home. Right now there are a LOT of open paths for Obama to take to the White House, but McCain doesn't have much anywhere to go.

With so many different options and such a big bankroll, Obama can counter whatever McCain tries to do "wanna head back to red states like North Carolina and Missouri and make sure you lock them us? Go right ahead, I'll be sitting tight here in virginia, making SURE it stays blue, and keeps me above 270. What? So instead you'll focus on the big states in play like Florida, or Ohio? Go ahead, take em. While you're spending your efforts there to try and get them, I'll be over here in Montana and Colorado, shoring up my lead. Oh, so you're going to go after my lead in Virgina? Think you can turn it back to red? Go right ahead and try, I'll just be taking Ohio and Florida off your hands with my massive campaigning budget, you sure you want to trade 47 EVs for 13?"

McCain isn't "behind" anymore. He's not "trailing", he's not "not really doing great in the polls right now" He is losing. And he needs to do something FAST or he will lose. Obama, RIGHT NOW, has enough states in his column to take the presidency. At this very moment, swing states aren't enough anymore, McCain not only needs to get pretty much EVER undecided voter in his column, he needs to start taking support AWAY from Obama.

And that's the thing, it's not about party faithful anymore, the independents are having HUGE play in this election. McCain needs their support, he needs people to not only go to him, but actively switch sides, and wherever he goes, he's going to be outmanned, out gunned and out spent by the ravaging hordes of the Obama campaign, staffed with volunteers fuled by 8 years of spite and rage filled tears. That shit is like red bull with a cocaine chaser to these people.

In 2004 Bush's strategy was shore up support in a few key states. This won't work for McCain now. He can't afford to focus on a few key states. If he tries, Obama can just force him to pump millions into a few key states, make him run his campaign dry, essentially bankrupt the McCain campaign, and all to pick up some states that Obama doesn't even need to win. The fact that Obama can basically just force McCain to spend huge bucks in Ohio and Florida, when Obama doesn't even NEED Ohio and Florida, shows just how masterfully crafted Obama's end game really is here. Let McCain try to focus on a few states, Obama can make it so damned expensive for him to win that it'll basically push him out of other states.

What McCain HAS to do, is take it national. Not win 1 or 2 states by 8 points, but 8 states by 1 or 2 points. He needs to raise his numbers across the board enough, overall, on a national level to just squeak by with wins in enough states. And how the hell is he going to do that? The debates are over, the economic policies unveiled, the convention bump long behind him.

McCain needs to seriously connect, and there just doesn't seem to be any opportunities left to do that.

Yup. It's almost like somebody you know, maybe even admire, suggested at one point, that McCain's out of moves that can actually get him back in this in any realistic way.

Knowing that, he'll like try a combination of those strategies as is his way, pushing none of them hard enough to be effective.

Wanna change the bet?

Can you picture Palin in a helicopter with her pants around her ankles, firing rounds at freaked out wolves with each thrust of her pelvis?

Now THAT's a halloween costume! :tongue:

In 2004, Bush pushed the ban on Gay Marriage through congress right before the election, that got out the right wing evangelical vote. Do you think the same could work for McCain?

Nah. Fringe issues aren't working here. People aren't going to care about a terrorist blowing up your house when you're about to lose your house. YOu can't get enraged about the concept of Misters Adam and Steve when you've been unemployed for six months, and the retirement fund you've been emptying (with huge penalties) just to survive has vanished.

Nah. Fringe issues aren't working here. People aren't going to care about a terrorist blowing up your house when you're about to lose your house. YOu can't get enraged about the concept of Misters Adam and Steve when you've been unemployed for six months, and the retirement fund you've been emptying (with huge penalties) just to survive has vanished.

So basically, if McCain can show that Obama's economic plan will make the situation worse in a matter of....two weeks...I think, McCain can come back?

So here's my thoughts. I think we're really starting to see Obama's "50 state" strategy coming home. Right now there are a LOT of open paths for Obama to take to the White House, but McCain doesn't have much anywhere to go.

With so many different options and such a big bankroll, Obama can counter whatever McCain tries to do "wanna head back to red states like North Carolina and Missouri and make sure you lock them us? Go right ahead, I'll be sitting tight here in virginia, making SURE it stays blue, and keeps me above 270. What? So instead you'll focus on the big states in play like Florida, or Ohio? Go ahead, take em. While you're spending your efforts there to try and get them, I'll be over here in Montana and Colorado, shoring up my lead. Oh, so you're going to go after my lead in Virgina? Think you can turn it back to red? Go right ahead and try, I'll just be taking Ohio and Florida off your hands with my massive campaigning budget, you sure you want to trade 47 EVs for 13?"

McCain isn't "behind" anymore. He's not "trailing", he's not "not really doing great in the polls right now" He is losing. And he needs to do something FAST or he will lose. Obama, RIGHT NOW, has enough states in his column to take the presidency. At this very moment, swing states aren't enough anymore, McCain not only needs to get pretty much EVER undecided voter in his column, he needs to start taking support AWAY from Obama.

And that's the thing, it's not about party faithful anymore, the independents are having HUGE play in this election. McCain needs their support, he needs people to not only go to him, but actively switch sides, and wherever he goes, he's going to be outmanned, out gunned and out spent by the ravaging hordes of the Obama campaign, staffed with volunteers fuled by 8 years of spite and rage filled tears. That shit is like red bull with a cocaine chaser to these people.

In 2004 Bush's strategy was shore up support in a few key states. This won't work for McCain now. He can't afford to focus on a few key states. If he tries, Obama can just force him to pump millions into a few key states, make him run his campaign dry, essentially bankrupt the McCain campaign, and all to pick up some states that Obama doesn't even need to win. The fact that Obama can basically just force McCain to spend huge bucks in Ohio and Florida, when Obama doesn't even NEED Ohio and Florida, shows just how masterfully crafted Obama's end game really is here. Let McCain try to focus on a few states, Obama can make it so damned expensive for him to win that it'll basically push him out of other states.

What McCain HAS to do, is take it national. Not win 1 or 2 states by 8 points, but 8 states by 1 or 2 points. He needs to raise his numbers across the board enough, overall, on a national level to just squeak by with wins in enough states. And how the hell is he going to do that? The debates are over, the economic policies unveiled, the convention bump long behind him.

McCain needs to seriously connect, and there just doesn't seem to be any opportunities left to do that.



But...CH told me that the 50 state strategy wouldnt work...was he wrong?

You sir are a damn liar.

But...CH told me that the 50 state strategy wouldnt work...was he wrong?

You sir are a damn liar.

no no, not working at all (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=14105368&postcount=702)

Two weeks? I say the stock market suffers major pain within the first two days of a Democratic win. Any business or individual who has the option of relocating to a more pro-business country will take steps to do so before they can actually be taxed.

no no, not working at all (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=14105368&postcount=702)

Yep. Thats the post I meant to quote;)

Two weeks? I say the stock market suffers major pain within the first two days of a Democratic win. Any business or individual who has the option of relocating to a more pro-business country will take steps to do so before they can actually be taxed.

:rolleyes:

The spouse is re-watching the debate on CNN (what a masochist!) and what's kinda ticking me off is that there are plenty of government initiatives that McCain is proposing that he wouldn't be able to do under his "across-the-board spending freeze". Funding autism research. Building nuclear power plants and storing the fuel safely. Researching clean-coal technology. Obama tried to call him on this but I think he should have hammered this point home: you may not agree with "tax-and-spend" strategies but at least it makes internal sense. How the hell is this "don't-spend-and-yet-spend-at-the-same-time" system supposed to work?!

Can you picture Palin in a helicopter with her pants around her ankles, firing rounds at freaked out wolves with each thrust of her pelvis?

These are the thoughts that kept me out of the really good schools. :)

I can now. Though it would be cooler if it was a shoop da whoop. :p

I got a new internet meme to introduce:

WWJTPD? (What Would Joe The Plumber Do?)

I will take of this banner.

Can you picture Palin in a helicopter with her pants around her ankles, firing rounds at freaked out wolves with each thrust of her pelvis?

These are the thoughts that kept me out of the really good schools. :)

Ewww... I can now. Thanks a lot, LG. :p

How long until a nerd cracks a joke about "Joe the Plumber" saving a princess?

This pic was taken right before or after the third debate. :eek:

http://images.dailykos.com/images/user/1054/mctongue.jpg

Well, they've done it at least twice. Think about that.:D

Yeah, but did you see Ms Obama tonight? I'd tap that...

How long until a nerd cracks a joke about "Joe the Plumber" saving a princess?

Answered own question much?

This pic was taken right before or after the third debate. :eek:

http://images.dailykos.com/images/user/1054/mctongue.jpg

http://images.dailykos.com/images/user/1054/mctongue.jpg

"Sorry. I farted."

Two weeks? I say the stock market suffers major pain within the first two days of a Democratic win. Any business or individual who has the option of relocating to a more pro-business country will take steps to do so before they can actually be taxed.

You mean they are actually going to move their businesses offshore and not just their PO boxes? Closing tax loopholes is extremely important. If your primary production, sales, and distribution is in the US you should pay US taxes. No more cheating this country out of tax revenue and reaping the benefit of our consumer society. So spare us the "we're packing up and leaving" shit. You've already "left" by making your headquarters in other countries. These companies won't actually get up and leave. It would cost them too much money to actually relocate. What they'll continue to do is evade taxes like the gutter snipes they are.

This pic was taken right before or after the third debate. :eek:

http://images.dailykos.com/images/user/1054/mctongue.jpg

Right after. He was trying to get round the table to shake the moderator's hand, but they kept heading in different directions. Sad thing is - that's one of the most human and endearing moments John had all night.

Answered own question much?

Here, have a mushroom! :D

here, have a mushroom! :d

1up!

Here, have a mushroom! :D

Is that the "turn into a giant who can break bricks with his head" kind, the "extra life" kind, or the "Wow man, my hands are, like, melting man!" kind?

Is that the "turn into a giant who can break bricks with his head" kind, the "extra life" kind, or the "Wow man, my hands are, like, melting man!" kind?

Wouldn't you like to know :p

Besides, my hands aren't melting. But I can taste the sky! :D

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3035/2945691553_e3a9fe84ca_o.jpg

EDIT: Dude, it's Joe the Plummer!

So here's my thoughts. I think we're really starting to see Obama's "50 state" strategy coming home. Right now there are a LOT of open paths for Obama to take to the White House, but McCain doesn't have much anywhere to go.

With so many different options and such a big bankroll, Obama can counter whatever McCain tries to do "wanna head back to red states like North Carolina and Missouri and make sure you lock them us? Go right ahead, I'll be sitting tight here in virginia, making SURE it stays blue, and keeps me above 270. What? So instead you'll focus on the big states in play like Florida, or Ohio? Go ahead, take em. While you're spending your efforts there to try and get them, I'll be over here in Montana and Colorado, shoring up my lead. Oh, so you're going to go after my lead in Virgina? Think you can turn it back to red? Go right ahead and try, I'll just be taking Ohio and Florida off your hands with my massive campaigning budget, you sure you want to trade 47 EVs for 13?"

McCain isn't "behind" anymore. He's not "trailing", he's not "not really doing great in the polls right now" He is losing. And he needs to do something FAST or he will lose. Obama, RIGHT NOW, has enough states in his column to take the presidency. At this very moment, swing states aren't enough anymore, McCain not only needs to get pretty much EVER undecided voter in his column, he needs to start taking support AWAY from Obama.

And that's the thing, it's not about party faithful anymore, the independents are having HUGE play in this election. McCain needs their support, he needs people to not only go to him, but actively switch sides, and wherever he goes, he's going to be outmanned, out gunned and out spent by the ravaging hordes of the Obama campaign, staffed with volunteers fuled by 8 years of spite and rage filled tears. That shit is like red bull with a cocaine chaser to these people.

In 2004 Bush's strategy was shore up support in a few key states. This won't work for McCain now. He can't afford to focus on a few key states. If he tries, Obama can just force him to pump millions into a few key states, make him run his campaign dry, essentially bankrupt the McCain campaign, and all to pick up some states that Obama doesn't even need to win. The fact that Obama can basically just force McCain to spend huge bucks in Ohio and Florida, when Obama doesn't even NEED Ohio and Florida, shows just how masterfully crafted Obama's end game really is here. Let McCain try to focus on a few states, Obama can make it so damned expensive for him to win that it'll basically push him out of other states.

What McCain HAS to do, is take it national. Not win 1 or 2 states by 8 points, but 8 states by 1 or 2 points. He needs to raise his numbers across the board enough, overall, on a national level to just squeak by with wins in enough states. And how the hell is he going to do that? The debates are over, the economic policies unveiled, the convention bump long behind him.

McCain needs to seriously connect, and there just doesn't seem to be any opportunities left to do that.

RNC Drops Ads in Wisconsin and Maine to Focus on Red States (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/15/rnc-drops-ads-in-wisconsi_n_134953.html?page=5&show_comment_id=16837854#comment_16837854)

...seems like your analysis is dead on, and the strategy is working quite nicely.

Those RNC ads that were airing around here were simply atrocious...I'm quite glad I won't have to see them anymore.

...heard a rumor that Obama is now pulling most of his staff out of Michigan, due to McCains exit, and a growingly insurmountable lead. That's more $$$ for Ohio and Penn.

...heard a rumor that Obama is now pulling most of his staff out of Michigan, due to McCains exit, and a growingly insurmountable lead. That's more $$$ for Ohio and Penn.

screw that - back to west virginia and north dakota. hell, hit montana too.

screw that - back to west virginia and north dakota. hell, hit montana too.

Either way...though I'd rather seal up Ohio this time around than worry about Montana. I still worry about voting machine issues.

screw that - back to west virginia and north dakota. hell, hit montana too.

Keep him out of my state!

I watched a video on CNN.com where this campaign manager for McCain complained about the pork the Democrats added to the second Bailout Bill. You know, the pork that wasn't on the first Bailout Bill the Republicans didn't vote for. Yeah. He was complaining about the Democrats adding the pork necessary to get the Republicans to accept the bill as an example of the Democratic Party's position on pork.

I can't even shout at him because the kids are asleep. :(

I watched a video on CNN.com where this campaign manager for McCain complained about the pork the Democrats added to the second Bailout Bill. You know, the pork that wasn't on the first Bailout Bill the Republicans didn't vote for. Yeah. He was complaining about the Democrats adding the pork necessary to get the Republicans to accept the bill as an example of the Democratic Party's position on pork.

I can't even shout at him because the kids are asleep. :(

So you do have parental instincts. What has that woman done to you! :eek:

So you do have parental instincts. What has that woman done to you! :eek:

You'd be surprised what regular doses in the 40,000 and 80,0000 volt range can do.

You'd be surprised what regular doses in the 40,000 and 80,0000 volt range can do.

I never figured LG was the type into bondage and domination...

Oh, you're talking about actual discipline. Silly me. :$

i thought this debate seemed familiar...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l63SRpGXBHE

(hat tip to ezra (http://www.prospect.org/csnc/blogs/ezraklein_archive?month=10&year=2008&base_name=debates_by_association))

Man, I wish I could have been here for the debate, but alas I was without comp access, as they were showing the debate in a giant auditorium on campus.

One of the telling marks came from an old woman would was staunchly pro-life who put it(Paraphrased) like this:

"I am very pro-life, and am against abortion. However, there are many greater issues right now that involve the economy and health care that I believe Obama is better suited to take care of."

I talked to her a bit. Apparently she is a hard-core conservative who just absolutely doesn't believe in anything that McCain is saying or pushing.

So you do have parental instincts. What has that woman done to you! :eek:

You'd be surprised what regular doses in the 40,000 and 80,0000 volt range can do.

I've absorbed a lot of voltage. :(

i never figured lg was the type into bondage and domination...

Oh, you're talking about actual discipline. Silly me. :$

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Well finally managed to see the debate on the replays.

Overall it was closer to a debate then the other two.

McCain did well in the beginning and then petered out. As I heard one comment he did have issues. The expressions on his face did make me think of the old guy screaming "get off my lawn!"

What is it with Republicans where you are throwing money at education and yet they are allocating funds to the military?

Again, better outing then the other two....

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Put the kbosh on your mud and pie antics has she?

Is that the "turn into a giant who can break bricks with his head" kind, the "extra life" kind, or the "Wow man, my hands are, like, melting man!" kind?

Yes.

Hysterical as hell that WcCain actually felt the need to say "I'm not Bush!"

Can you picture Palin in a helicopter with her pants around her ankles, firing rounds at freaked out wolves with each thrust of her pelvis?

These are the thoughts that kept me out of the really good schools. :)

And also the kind of thought that might give me nightmares. Thanks a lot. Lol

Well finally managed to see the debate on the replays.

Overall it was closer to a debate then the other two.

McCain did well in the beginning and then petered out. As I heard one comment he did have issues. The expressions on his face did make me think of the old guy screaming "get off my lawn!"

What is it with Republicans where you are throwing money at education and yet they are allocating funds to the military?

Again, better outing then the other two....

Dude, that's how he looks to me every time they show him speaking ever.